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• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

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• 0:45Paige DeSorbo?

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• 0:51Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 0:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Like so many people have my location.

• 1:00Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:03Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend like doesn't text you, oh, you got home, you're, you're calling the FBI.

• 1:08Hannah Berner?

  Yep, yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. Even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 1:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 1:25Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So, once you get in, you have this private space. It's actually just yours.

• 1:33Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 1:38Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social, like I love everyone, but like.

• 1:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 1:42Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising and you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts, you ignore it all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 1:56Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing, it's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:03Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly women deserve.

• 2:07Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a T-shirt for real.

• 2:13Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 2:23Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 2:25Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 2:26Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 2:28Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You can check out the full terms in the app.

• 2:41Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 2:42Hannah Berner?

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• 3:28Hannah Berner?

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• 3:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, gigglers?

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Gary, fix the wifi.

• 3:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Manifest that shit.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  We can't be managed.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:47Hannah Berner?

  What's up, my Galliano gigglers? Did I just see a TikTok of it?

• 3:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Two seconds prior, Hannah goes, "Who's Galliano?"

• 3:57Hannah Berner?

  Wait, Galliano, is he, was he a painter? No, that's Michelangelo. Okay. Can we get into it? Cause I've been, I hung out with Paige all morning and we weren't podcasting and she's like, do not ask me about anything. And I'm like, don't ask me about anything.

• 4:12Paige DeSorbo?

  No, we couldn't even talk. Like, we literally couldn't speak to each other.

• 4:16Hannah Berner?

  We had to just make weird eye contact. But now I want to ask, how was Paris? Because you, previously you'd been, but you like, it was quick. You cried in a hotel or something.

• 4:29Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd only gone to Paris twice before and with two different boyfriends, whore. Um, and honestly, some of the worst times I've ever had.

• 4:40Hannah Berner?

  If someone's gonna ruin Paris, it's a man.

• 4:42Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's a man. I know that I cried both times I was there. Here's the bright side of that. I don't remember why. And so that, I feel like that's on growth.

• 4:52Hannah Berner?

  That's a win.

• 4:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, but also like so chic to cry in Paris.

• 4:58Paige DeSorbo?

  I will say, Paris is the only city that I can go to that genuinely makes me pissed off at New York City. Any other city that I go to, I'm like, oh my God.

• 5:11Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 5:12Paige DeSorbo?

  I love living in New York. Thank God I live in New York. Paris, I'm like, New York City should be ashamed of themselves. Like ashamed.

• 5:20Hannah Berner?

  Explain.

• 5:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Everything is so vibey. They have restaurants that have been around, like literally me and my glam, Mitchell, Taylor, Josephine and my mom went out to dinner.

• 5:33Hannah Berner?

  You know, you, you want Full Housewives with the glam.

• 5:37Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm different. I went to Paris Fashion Week. Treat me differently.

• 5:42Paige DeSorbo?

  So we're out to dinner one night and Taylor's like ordering dessert and she was like, asks the waitress, she's like, how's the souffle? And the souffle was, and the waitress was like, well, the souffle's been on the menu since 1492, so I'd say pretty good. We were like, okay.

• 5:56Hannah Berner?

  It stood the test of time. Funniest part from my end of you being in Paris was there was a moment where Paige is going to Paris. I was going to Pittsburgh.

• 6:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 6:06Hannah Berner?

  Which is, some would say, the Florence of the Midwest.

• 6:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Some would say.

• 6:11Hannah Berner?

  Some would say. And we had to jump on a Zoom, which was, I am so sorry you had to jump on a Zoom while you were in Paris.

• 6:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I didn't mind at all.

• 6:21Hannah Berner?

  But you guys, she doesn't sleep. She works, works, works, works, works. And she gets there and there's a moment on the Zoom where I don't know what the angle or the lighting was, but our hotel rooms for a split second looked very similar.

• 6:35Paige DeSorbo?

  They looked the exact same.

• 6:37Hannah Berner?

  They were not similar hotel rooms by any means, but in that moment I was like, we look like we could be in the same place, but no. I was in Pittsburgh, shot Pittsburgh, incred- incredible time, incredible time, greatest city.

• 6:51Hannah Berner?

  I did nap there. Wait, so but then what about the food? What did you eat? Like, did you have a croissant?

• 6:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Of course. I had so many croissants. And what was the best thing that I ate? Oh, I had, um, have you ever had beef Wellington?

• 7:06Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I thought that was British. It sounds British.

• 7:09Paige DeSorbo?

  It does sound British. Is it British?

• 7:11Hannah Berner?

  I don't know. Is it beef with like crust on it?

• 7:14Paige DeSorbo?

  It's beef that's wrapped in like a puff pastry.

• 7:17Hannah Berner?

  Oh, my God, I got it right.

• 7:19Paige DeSorbo?

  It was so fucking good. I like literally almost teared up. And then I had a creme, I had a creme brulee that I've never, I mean, it was like no creme brulee I've ever had before.

• 7:31Hannah Berner?

  Now you can't, like, this is the problem with going to Paris. Now you'll never enjoy creme brulee in America again. And that's,

• 7:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Never.

• 7:37Hannah Berner?

  That's like the fight you have to fight.

• 7:39Paige DeSorbo?

  It was my mom's first time in Paris. So Saturday night, we went to this restaurant that like, it was like this Japanese really, it was so vibey inside and you had like a direct view of the Eiffel Tower, it was like right out the window. So it was like, it was just so, it was the best. There's something about going on a trip with your mom, just the two of you in your thirties.

• 8:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, I, I really highly recommend even just like one night, even if you just did like a staycation in a hotel with your mom.

• 8:13Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 8:13Paige DeSorbo?

  It's very emotional because there's a moment where you're like, like, okay, the first night we were getting ready for bed and like I put my face mask on to sleep. And then she put like eye patches on to sleep and then she like taped her forehead and I was like, oh my God, I didn't know you do this stuff before bed. And she was like, looked at me like, basically like, yeah, I'm still a girl. Like what?

• 8:35Hannah Berner?

  Also, she's like, you're the replica. I'm the original, babe.

• 8:39Paige DeSorbo?

  She's like, I'm the blueprint. Okay. Like, how do you think you got this way?

• 8:44Hannah Berner?

  That's so funny though, because Lenore before bed is, she's reading a book. She's like, you know, washing her face, double cleansing.

• 8:53Paige DeSorbo?

  She's winding down.

• 8:54Hannah Berner?

  She's winding down. She puts lotion on her hands. Like she's one of the, like, I feel like all moms do that. And I'm just, you know, scrolling. Sending memes to people.

• 9:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Throw me a makeup wipe.

• 9:06Hannah Berner?

  No, literally. Then I run out of it and then I'm like fighting the towel and then it's black everywhere. Some eyeliners do not get off easily. But anyway, back to my questioning about Paris.

• 9:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 9:18Hannah Berner?

  Can we acknowledge this moment of you were rubbing shoulders or rubbing tiny elbows?

• 9:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I was air kissing.

• 9:26Hannah Berner?

  Air kissing with the fashion elite. Now I know you've done stuff with fashion in New York, but Paris Fashion Week has a je ne sais quoi. Can you explain?

• 9:37Paige DeSorbo?

  It's a totally different vibe.

• 9:38Hannah Berner?

  Like, what was the vibe?

• 9:39Paige DeSorbo?

  There's something just so much fancier about Paris. Like even walking down the streets, like the older women in Paris, like I know it was Fashion Week, but this was just like their everyday. They're different. Like this, there was this like older woman, she was walking by me and she had just this full, like poofy polka dotted skirt on and like a denim jacket. And I was just like, oh my God, you're so Paris. And she was just like on the phone, like talking French, like, but that was just like her outfit for the day.

• 10:12Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. And they'll just be like holding baguettes sometimes, right? You seen any baguettes?

• 10:17Paige DeSorbo?

  There's, they're holding baguettes. They have like croissant, like laws, I feel like.

• 10:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Like there's certain croissants that are made with margarine and there's certain croissants that are made with butter and like they take it seriously.

• 10:30Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like getting oat milk or like regular milk wrong in your order, your day is ruined.

• 10:36Paige DeSorbo?

  They still don't know what iced coffee is, but I don't judge them for that. Like, you know, I pick my battles, but I just, it really, being there really made me angry at New York City. Like, New York City has truly lost the plot in a lot of ways. And I just, like, even a building in Paris that should be like a janky building that's like, whatever, is still like gorgeous.

• 11:04Hannah Berner?

  No, well, Paris is chic. Everywhere you look, there's just like, it's tasteful.

• 11:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, there was a building and I was like, oh my god, let me take like pictures in front of this. And then I was like, what is this building? They're like, it's a doctor's office.

• 11:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, we don't know.

• 11:18Hannah Berner?

  Wait, cue, I need a shot.

• 11:19Paige DeSorbo?

  This is gorgeous. They're like, this is a dentist.

• 11:23Hannah Berner?

  I, I went to Italy once when I was 14 to play tennis tournament and I didn't really see anything. And then, I mean, anyway, then I've been to Ireland a couple of times, which I'm obsessed with, but like Paris is like my, the only European city I've like been to and I like, did you do any vintage shopping?

• 11:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, so Sunday.

• 11:45Hannah Berner?

  I know you were very busy at YSL.

• 11:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Sunday, my mom woke me up at like the crack of dawn because she wanted to go to church at Notre Dame and like I got, I get it. Like she wanted to see it. She's very Catholic. She's very religious. Like as I'm like so angry inside because I'm like, it's 7 a.m. And so like as we're walking in, I look at her and I'm like, wait, you're not even gonna understand this. You don't speak French.

• 12:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I think, why are we here? She's like, it's for the ambiance.

• 12:20Hannah Berner?

  It's for the vibes.

• 12:21Paige DeSorbo?

  And like, we could have just like walked in and seen it. And then we walk out and I'm like, okay, like, did you love it? And she looked at me and she was like, honestly, St. Patrick's Cathedral, I think is like more impressive. I was like, oh my god!

• 12:34Hannah Berner?

  No, when moms guilt tribute to wake up early because they want to do something.

• 12:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And like Notre Dame had had like a fire.

• 12:42Hannah Berner?

  Oh yeah, it's still like under construction, right? Or it's done?

• 12:45Paige DeSorbo?

  And I know that like one of the things my mom loves to do is like light a candle for someone, like go into any church and like light a candle. And I was like, oh, like, do they have candles here? And she looked at me and she was like, they had a fire. No, they don't. Like as if I had offended the, I was like, okay. Sorry!

• 13:02Hannah Berner?

  When I went to Paris with my mom, what's like the big triangle thing?

• 13:09Hannah Berner?

  The Louvre? Yeah, the Louvre. Louvre. So, um, by the way, I did download Duolingo and practice French for a day. But the Louvre, um, I, there was like this crazy line. And like all she wanted to do is go to the Louvre and I looked to her, I was like, mom, let's go to a nice restaurant and talk shit. And on me.

• 13:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 13:29Hannah Berner?

  And we, and let's just take some photos outside the Louvre. Let's do the little like my finger on the top of it. And she was like a hundred percent. And I was like, oh, thank god, because that would have been like six hours. And then apparently when you go in, the art is like really small. It's like meeting a celebrity when you like, you're like, why are you so small?

• 13:44Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, why does your Wikipedia say six foot? Because baby, no.

• 13:51Hannah Berner?

  Okay, where's the body?

• 13:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Kim did make me go to a museum and then we went to lunch. And then we were gonna go vintage shopping because I had like a list of places I want to go. But I got too caught up in the here and now stores. You know? And so I had like allotted.

• 14:11Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 14:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I had an allotted by time correctly.

• 14:13Hannah Berner?

  That's where Daz and I got into a fight because when we were in Paris, I was like, I'm gonna go shopping. And I was like, we need to go to like these designer stores. And he goes, first of all, you live next to Soho.

• 14:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 14:25Hannah Berner?

  You can go to any of these fucking stores. And I was like, no, it's a different vibe.

• 14:29Paige DeSorbo?

  And I really, really, they get different stuff.

• 14:31Hannah Berner?

  But then also, I didn't have the balls to buy anything because I'm cheap. So he kept being like, why are you going and pretending to buy something again? And then I finally called you and you like told me to buy something. Wait! How was Vic- Vicky?

• 14:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Victoria was a freaking dream.

• 14:48Hannah Berner?

  And you know her documentary is coming out Thursday? It's iconic because she was like featured in her husband's documentary. And I think it like went kind of well and then she was like, and now I'm gonna do a real fucking documentary about my side of the story, okay?

• 15:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Because she's iconic.

• 15:05Hannah Berner?

  She's also hilarious and people don't realize that. I don't think people realize.

• 15:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Extremely funny, extremely. Yeah, because she has that like British dry sense of humor. They're just like naturally funny. I will say I was sitting at the show and I watched all of her family members walk in. Sorry, there was a moment where I was looking at her one young son. And I was just like, oh, actually, this is pedophilia. I can't look at him. This is like inappropriate.

• 15:31Hannah Berner?

  How old is he?

• 15:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I think he's like nineteen, maybe twenty.

• 15:34Hannah Berner?

  Wait, so the kids are like beautiful?

• 15:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Gorgeous. I mean, beautiful. I mean, they're just like a great looking family.

• 15:41Hannah Berner?

  Was David there?

• 15:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, of course.

• 15:44Hannah Berner?

  What do you think about?

• 15:44Paige DeSorbo?

  He's a supportive king.

• 15:46Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, what do you think about Zaddy David?

• 15:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, he's so hot. They're just such a good looking couple and you can tell that he like supports her so much. And, okay, here's the celebrities that I saw that were there. Eva Longoria, Olivia Munn, Sofia Vergara, Anna Wintor. And that's just who I saw.

• 16:11Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 16:12Paige DeSorbo?

  But also, like, it was so chic when you pulled, first of all, it was raining, which like I was excited for because I'm like, oh, Paris in the rain. So when you pulled up, there were all these like beautiful men.

• 16:23Hannah Berner?

  Kissing random dudes.

• 16:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the other, yeah, here's the other thing. French men are so hot.

• 16:28Hannah Berner?

  And also I like a grumpy man. So like pissed off, French men is the energy I like.

• 16:34Paige DeSorbo?

  In America, if you approach me with a man bun, truly see yourself out.

• 16:39Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 16:39Paige DeSorbo?

  In France, I'm with it. I'm here for it. I'm like, it's your culture.

• 16:43Hannah Berner?

  Speaking French is just for women.

• 16:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Absolutely.

• 16:47Hannah Berner?

  So they, I don't like the, when they start speaking.

• 16:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Don't talk to me when you come up.

• 16:50Hannah Berner?

  Don't talk.

• 16:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 16:50Hannah Berner?

  Don't talk.

• 16:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, so you get out of the car and there's like all these beautiful men holding umbrellas to like escort you in. And then you like walk through this like little like outdoor, you like go through these gates, then it's like outdoor until you get to the building. And I'm like, what is this building? I think it was like an old, it's like a government building or something where it was like an old hospital. Literally, it was like an old hospital. And I was like, it's stunning. Like every building there is just the prettiest building you've ever seen in your life.

• 17:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the other thing, though. I love being Italian.

• 17:27Paige DeSorbo?

  So like, I really enjoyed it, but I love being Italian and I love my people and I love Italy more.

• 17:36Hannah Berner?

  And that was for the UN if they're listening.

• 17:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. Because there's just a realness in it, in Italy. I feel like that there isn't other places.

• 17:47Hannah Berner?

  I also do think that like if we have to leave America, well, we, Sicily, Sicily could be good, like by the water.

• 17:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna try and get my Italian passport. It's really important to me.

• 17:59Hannah Berner?

  A cannoli by the water. Um, well, I knew when I was in Pittsburgh. By the way, beautiful, like incredible bridges.

• 18:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Stunning, the architecture.

• 18:09Hannah Berner?

  But I, Uber in these other cities is such an adventure. Um, when you get in an Uber, if it is a white man, he will talk to you about how he lost his kids. Um, but he is gonna see them on the weekend. But dating is really difficult because it's the same three women in his area.

• 18:32Hannah Berner?

  And I was invested. I was like, well, what are we gonna do about it, Steve?

• 18:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 18:36Hannah Berner?

  What are we gonna do? And have you been going to court ordered therapy? And then I ordered Uber Eats. And the courier, it was like definitely taking a long time, but I was like, no rush, it's fine. And I check it. This man was walking.

• 18:51Paige DeSorbo?

  How many, how many miles?

• 18:53Hannah Berner?

  A lot of miles. At that point, I was like, babe.

• 18:56Paige DeSorbo?

  No bike?

• 18:57Hannah Berner?

  No bike. Just walk. I didn't know couriers could just walk. I thought you had to have a bike.

• 19:01Paige DeSorbo?

  I thought that was illegal.

• 19:04Hannah Berner?

  Not even, not even, um, roller skating.

• 19:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Maybe put some pep in your step and do a light jog?

• 19:11Hannah Berner?

  Not even a light jog.

• 19:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's diabolical.

• 19:15Hannah Berner?

  I could have picked it up if you were gonna walk.

• 19:18Paige DeSorbo?

  How long did it take?

• 19:19Hannah Berner?

  I mean, probably took like an hour total, but this guy, I felt bad, but maybe he was just getting his steps in.

• 19:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Honestly, he definitely got 10,000 steps. You're walking for an hour, that's 10,000.

• 19:28Paige DeSorbo?

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• 20:12Paige DeSorbo?

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• 21:37Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:07Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:42Paige DeSorbo?

  I actually ordered McDonald's in Paris.

• 23:45Hannah Berner?

  How was it?

• 23:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Phenomenal. Here's the thing, though. One thing I noticed in Paris, they're obsessed with bacon. Like, they put bacon on, like, all their salad. I'm like, guys, I don't need it on my cheeseburger.

• 23:57Hannah Berner?

  Well, hot take, I love the breakfast and then it can be like hit or miss.

• 24:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, everything there is really heavy.

• 24:08Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, they love frites.

• 24:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, you can't, like, you couldn't go to Paris for more than four days and eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You'd feel, you'd have to chuck yourself into the hospital.

• 24:21Hannah Berner?

  Well, that's why they're, they're all just chain smoking cigarettes.

• 24:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Chain smoking. I've never seen, here's the other thing. The streets don't make any sense. I don't know how they drive there. Like, once I think it's a one-way and then it's, it, it doesn't make any sense to me.

• 24:37Hannah Berner?

  That's how normal streets feel for me, but continue.

• 24:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Everyone's smoking cigarettes in their car.

• 24:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Which I'm like, oh, interesting.

• 24:46Hannah Berner?

  No, it's not chic and I need pop stars to stop with the cigarettes. I'm gonna be that mom.

• 24:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, why cigarettes are making like such a comeback on Instagram?

• 24:57Hannah Berner?

  And can I say something?

• 24:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 24:58Hannah Berner?

  People forget history.

• 25:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 25:01Hannah Berner?

  People forget history and now we're just starting over with people forgetting that cigarettes kill people.

• 25:10Hannah Berner?

  If you smoke cigarettes, you die and you will get an STD.

• 25:13Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know why that's becoming like such a trend and like even girls like putting it in their Instagram pictures.

• 25:18Hannah Berner?

  I know, and it's like the cool girls too.

• 25:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the thing, in Europe, I'm not. I I like to have a good time. I'm not a prude. If someone offers me a skinny cig in Paris after I just had like a couple cocktails, I'm gonna smoke it, but I'm not gonna promote smoking it on my Instagram. Well, I certainly, look, some of my friends will like post and I'm like, okay, who cares? But I feel like I'm not gonna promote that because we have like sixteen year old girls that follow us. But I'm just very surprised that it's become so much more common than it used to be.

• 25:55Hannah Berner?

  Do you think Big Tobacco um has a deal with Charli XCX?

• 26:00Paige DeSorbo?

  I think Big Tobacco is really beefing with like vaping and they're like, oh yeah?

• 26:06Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, well, Big Tobacco, I wonder if some of these influencers are sponsored by Big Tobacco because some of them, I'm like, this is a cigarette ad.

• 26:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Charli XCX smoking a cigarette, she's European. I don't, I'm not mad at her about that.

• 26:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Since you brought up Charli XCX.

• 26:22Hannah Berner?

  Okay, this episode is like pure, pure intense drama.

• 26:27Paige DeSorbo?

  This is a stream of consciousness.

• 26:28Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 26:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you think that Taylor Swift was making a diss track to Charli XCX?

• 26:36Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god, great, great, great, great question.

• 26:38Paige DeSorbo?

  And what do you think of diss tracks in general since Cardi B and Nicki Minaj are diss tracking back and forth?

• 26:45Hannah Berner?

  Is it diss tracking or they're just tweeting?

• 26:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I think they're doing a little bit of both.

• 26:50Hannah Berner?

  A little bit of both. Okay, I, I love, I think a diss track is fun.

• 26:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 26:58Hannah Berner?

  I prefer it to like tweet fighting. I think, I think the diss track at least gets some art out of it.

• 27:04Paige DeSorbo?

  I liked when it was just the men doing like rap diss tracks because I'm like, that's so them. I'm actually upset that it's like

• 27:15Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 27:16Paige DeSorbo?

  gone over into the girls because I almost felt like wow, women are like so above that, like they don't put out diss tracks and now I feel like

• 27:25Hannah Berner?

  This is what I think.

• 27:26Paige DeSorbo?

  It's gonna become more of a thing.

• 27:28Hannah Berner?

  I like diss tracks for men because it's basically just poems that they're doing.

• 27:32Paige DeSorbo?

  That they're writing for each other.

• 27:33Hannah Berner?

  That they're writing for each other and that's like adorable.

• 27:36Paige DeSorbo?

  That's adorable.

• 27:37Hannah Berner?

  And they're like, this rhymes and it was kind of mean and everyone's like, oh, but you're right. I don't like the women doing it to each other. It's my same, this is my rule with reality TV. If you're gonna fight, fight with the men. If you're gonna get in a blow up, I do it towards a man. I want a diss track towards the men. Um, I hope, but if the girls sometimes like, they're like, it's good marketing for both of them. And maybe that's good to support women in the arts.

• 28:02Paige DeSorbo?

  True. Here's the thing I don't like about Nikki and Cardi beefing.

• 28:07Hannah Berner?

  I know.

• 28:07Paige DeSorbo?

  They're bringing their children into it and I'm like, oh, they're gonna see that one day. And it's like, I don't like that.

• 28:13Hannah Berner?

  Well, also because Cardi and Nikki are two of the greatest rappers who ever lived and like.

• 28:17Paige DeSorbo?

  I could never pick.

• 28:18Hannah Berner?

  We don't have to choose one.

• 28:19Paige DeSorbo?

  I could never.

• 28:20Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, it just, it's like, we want enough room for all the women. We, and, and again, and then Taylor and the, Taylor and Charli XCX, all the girls are fighting. We're all like fighting for a spot. And it's like, this is why men, the patriarchy still exists because we're trying to take each other down. And Gwen Stefani is fighting bread, like Gwen Stefani.

• 28:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, who's Gwen Stefani fighting?

• 28:43Hannah Berner?

  I was just like, Gwyneth Paltrow is fighting bread.

• 28:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Fighting who?

• 28:48Hannah Berner?

  Bread.

• 28:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, no, I think Gwen, Gwyneth Paltrow came out and said that she was like.

• 28:55Hannah Berner?

  Eating bread again?

• 28:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 28:56Hannah Berner?

  Oh, so if Gwyneth Paltrow squashed her beef with bread, we can stop fighting other women.

• 29:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Also with the Taylor Charli stuff.

• 29:06Hannah Berner?

  What do you think it's a diss track?

• 29:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, I don't know enough of the lore between them to make a conscious, like, decision on it. Here's the one thing I'll say about Taylor Swift, if it is. She kind of ate with the fact that like, yeah, nobody loves you more than the girl that absolutely fucking hates you. Like, no one, no one tries to copy you more or be you more than the girl that hates you. But that is so true. So like, I act, and I feel like girls can. Like resonate with that.

• 29:43Hannah Berner?

  And I do think the song, like, people are resonating with it. It's not like so specific, like.

• 29:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Where they're like, hey, at Cardi B, you stupid bitch. Like, right.

• 29:53Hannah Berner?

  It was kind of a general thing, but the cocaine mention, I think, was like at Charli.

• 29:59Paige DeSorbo?

  And I would argue that I give more credit to Nicki and Cardi because they're like, no, I hate you. Where like if Taylor is talking about it, I kind of wish she would have.

• 30:09Hannah Berner?

  Said it with her chest?

• 30:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Said it with her chest. Now, this is coming from someone who didn't listen to the album.

• 30:13Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I'm in deep with the album. Like, I have so many. Babe.

• 30:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, you've listened to every song?

• 30:19Hannah Berner?

  Well, I've been flying on planes all weekend. It's like all I have to do.

• 30:22Paige DeSorbo?

  And you like don't believe in entertainment on flights?

• 30:24Hannah Berner?

  No, so just me and my Delta headphones listening to Taylor Swift. I have so many thoughts.

• 30:29Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm a fan. And look, I like Charli XCX. I like Taylor Swift. And I do, like, I think the people, like, coming on the internet and making, like, dissertations on how it's the worst album ever, like, get a hobby. But also the people that are, like, going on the internet and crying about how it's the best thing they've ever heard also get a hobby. So, like, I'm kind of like in the middle.

• 30:49Hannah Berner?

  That's a valid point. Extremist, extremism is bad.

• 30:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Extremism is not for me.

• 30:53Hannah Berner?

  Extremism is bad.

• 30:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I can like songs and whatever.

• 30:57Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, this is something like her 12th album, and she's only 35, and.

• 31:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Iconic.

• 31:06Hannah Berner?

  I, I love that, like, someone's putting out art. And like, I would imagine she puts this out and then decides, because of the blowback, because some people didn't like it, I'm, like, she doesn't have to put it on an album.

• 31:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Also, it's art. Like, you don't have to like it and her still make a billion dollars.

• 31:24Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, like, it's like, she didn't have to put herself up for all this criticism, and she did. So I'm, like, grateful that, like, she's doing that.

• 31:32Paige DeSorbo?

  The only thing I'll say is, I am still shocked that she announced her, I still haven't gotten over it, that she announced her album on a male sports podcast. Like, that I still can't believe she did. I just feel like that's so not her.

• 31:47Hannah Berner?

  I think she's, like, madly and is in, like, so clocked into this. The, the pod actually made me laugh, like, she's funny.

• 31:56Paige DeSorbo?

  She is funny.

• 31:57Hannah Berner?

  She's funny and very smart. And then she, but there was one story she said that I just have to raise awareness about. She said when she sold her masters, she went to go find Travis, who was playing video games.

• 32:10Hannah Berner?

  We don't talk about that enough.

• 32:11Paige DeSorbo?

  No, people aren't talking about that enough.

• 32:13Hannah Berner?

  When they're not playing the sport, they play pretend sports against each other and you know this man has a headset. And

• 32:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 32:20Hannah Berner?

  He's thirty six.

• 32:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you know that I've never dated a guy who was really ever into video games?

• 32:27Hannah Berner?

  It's act- so actually I've never either, but I have friends who have like Andy Murray, who's one of the best tennis players who ever lived. His wife almost divorced him because he was so addicted to video games. Like, because you know how it's annoying when like your man's on his phone? By the way, when I'm on my phone, I'm doing research, but when he is, you're like, hello, I'm telling you a story that you probably heard before.

• 32:51Paige DeSorbo?

  This might be like my own internal thing, but I'm never mad when I'm being left alone.

• 32:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I actually can't relate because like I can occupy myself.

• 33:03Hannah Berner?

  It's more like when I have a thought that I want to say.

• 33:06Paige DeSorbo?

  It's more being ignored.

• 33:07Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, and I have to wait for him to finish texting. I'm like, who is so important?

• 33:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 33:12Hannah Berner?

  While I like, this is comedic timing. Like I had the moment, we're losing the moment. I'm gonna forget what I'm gonna say. I have ADHD and now I'm mad at you.

• 33:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 33:19Hannah Berner?

  And that's just a Tuesday, but um.

• 33:24Hannah Berner?

  Okay, yeah, Travis Kelsey playing video games. I just have to say, Taylor, it was so relatable that she's like, my, he was playing video games. I had to wake him up. And like Taylor Swift is in your house. You should be watching her make sourdough bread. What do you mean you're playing video games? You should be, listen to her play guitar.

• 33:41Paige DeSorbo?

  The other thing that was crazy was that like she was obviously like going on podcasts and doing like press for her album. And I think she was on like a British podcast or something or like radio show and the guy was. And no, no, no, different. And the guy was like, oh, there's like rumors that this is your last album because you're like getting married. And she said, what a wildly offensive.

• 34:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Like thing to say, like, that's not like the reason the majority of women get married, like, what? And here you have Taylor Swift, who is a self-made billionaire, who has topped, who has done so many, like, broken so many, whatever, the first of anyone to do all these different things. And she, and she is getting defined by like, oh, well, you're Travis Kelsey's fiance. Like, oh, the misogyny.

• 34:35Hannah Berner?

  Saying you're married now, so you can't work, because it's like, what's different? I have a ring on my finger now. What, you think it's like weighing me down? Or that she has to now like tend to her husband? It's great that she like stood up for herself. There are also, people are doing like think pieces on like some of the lyrics, being like trad wifey or whatever, or her like.

• 34:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 34:57Hannah Berner?

  No, I do have to say, if you don't listen to the lyrics, which I'll be honest, I don't, I'm not in it for that.

• 35:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 35:05Hannah Berner?

  Um, there's a lot of like, okay, I'm like deep in Taylor Swift lore right now.

• 35:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, wow.

• 35:10Hannah Berner?

  So basically, apparently, of the Swifties, there's like, the ones who love like Evermore and love, and Lover and folk and.

• 35:19Paige DeSorbo?

  So like the sadder love songs?

• 35:20Hannah Berner?

  Folklore. They love like the folk, like her like talking like lyrically, whatever. Um, I was a girl who liked like Red, like I liked Reputation. Like, I like, I like just like pop, poppy. So like, I'm gonna say one, one thing about this album, and I feel like everyone can see to an extent.

• 35:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 35:42Hannah Berner?

  Some of these songs you can knock it out of your head. Like, it's kind of like, I listened to it two, twice, and I'm like trying to go to sleep and I can't stop hearing it. She has some, some Taylor crack cocaine that she borrowed from Charli XCX in these. They're very poppy. I do think with Taylor, her songs are, look at me going full, talking like a full Swiftie.

• 36:02Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you're going full dissertation, and then I have to change the subject because I actually can't anymore.

• 36:06Hannah Berner?

  I just feel like she, it's like her journal, it's like her therapy, so it's like, yes, she wouldn't say these things, but it's like her expressing her like deepest thoughts. And that's what I, one argument I have to say about people being like, oh, it's not good, um, lyrics. I don't know if it ever, like, long-term, like, remember her song like Welcome to New York? Like, that was not a lyrical.

• 36:28Hannah Berner?

  It was like, welcome to New York.

• 36:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Hannah Berner?

  We've been waiting for you. Welcome to New York. Like, I was like, okay, cool. Like, shake it, whatever.

• 36:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, like, does she have to be Shakespeare every time?

• 36:36Hannah Berner?

  No, I think the point is, is that it's cool that she writes the music where now, look, I'm deep in Nashville also.

• 36:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, so you're dialed in.

• 36:44Hannah Berner?

  Are you still watching Nashville?

• 36:46Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, I kind of fell off a little bit.

• 36:48Hannah Berner?

  Did you watch the first season?

• 36:50Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm not done with the first season. But I'll catch up.

• 36:54Hannah Berner?

  Okay.

• 36:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I know, we like have the show together and then like I, I feel like a bad boyfriend, like I.

• 36:59Hannah Berner?

  Well, I paused because like something happened that I was like, huh, but I'm like working through it.

• 37:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, I'll get back on the train because I actually rarely watch movies. Like, I'm really more of like a show.

• 37:12Hannah Berner?

  You are.

• 37:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Not to bring up Taylor Swift again, but I'm a showgirl.

• 37:16Hannah Berner?

  Also, Nashville has like 28 episodes in the first season.

• 37:18Paige DeSorbo?

  I know, which is really, really good for my mental health.

• 37:21Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Paige DeSorbo?

  But I watched this show. Did we talk about this on the pod about the show, the movie Swiped on Hulu?

• 37:28Hannah Berner?

  You brought it up, but I don't know if you want to detail.

• 37:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I urge everyone to go and watch the movie Swiped on Hulu. It's based off the woman who created.

• 37:40Hannah Berner?

  Bumble.

• 37:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Bumble. No, the lore, first of all, she's one of the founders of Tinder, okay? They basically cut her out because she was dating the other founder of Tinder, like one of the guys. And he was being like super abusive, super unprofessional, sending her all these like, now, granted, this is like.

• 38:00Hannah Berner?

  Sounds like Tinder.

• 38:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I feel like we talked about this on the pod.

• 38:04Hannah Berner?

  You, you did. You did, but I didn't want to stop you.

• 38:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, never mind, sorry.

• 38:09Hannah Berner?

  Oh, no, it's okay.

• 38:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Go watch it, it's so good, but it's basically about like a woman getting revenge on like her ex-boyfriend and then like basically creating like a way better app and becoming like a billionaire and I'm just like really obsessed with all things Whitney Wolfe Heard. But she really can't talk about anything because she's under an N D I, which I also just like love. But Lily James plays her and it's just so good.

• 38:32Hannah Berner?

  Lily James Depp?

• 38:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, no.

• 38:43Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 38:44Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 38:44Hannah Berner?

  You guys, we are a pop culture podcast, okay?

• 38:47Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 38:49Hannah Berner?

  Wait, can I say something to raise awareness for female stand-up comedians?

• 38:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 38:53Hannah Berner?

  Okay, so, I always think about how, like, it's so difficult for female stand-up comedians to exist. And one of the reasons is because when you start in the stand-up community, you're like one of the few girls, and you're just surrounded by men all the time. So inevitably, it's your coworkers, so inevitably you start dating like one of the cute male stand-ups. When you break up, which you inevitably do because they're, they live on their moms-

• 39:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Say "inevitably" one more time, I'm gonna lose it.

• 39:22Hannah Berner?

  You know, I was not aware I said it at all. At least it's not essentially, that shit is so annoying. But, um, inevitably you date someone, and you break up. Then that dude tells all his friends, "Don't book her on the show, don't book her on the show." And you, these were all your friends. So there's so many women who have trouble making it in stand-up comedy, like in New York City, because they dated a stand-up once, and then all the boys turn their back on them. And next thing you know, they can't get stage time, they feel awkward when they walk into clubs, they don't want to be funny, but it's hard to be funny when all these men are staring at you and not rooting for you.

• 39:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this is way more relatable than to just stand-up comed- comedy. Wo- women get like, obviously, such a bad rap of like, "They're crazy, my ex-girlfriend's crazy, blah blah blah blah blah."

• 40:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Every single boyfriend I've ever had that I've broken up with, I'm not kidding you Hannah, every single one, since I was 19 years old, after I broke up with them, in some way, shape, or form, they have tried to fuck me over, or exile me from something, or called a club and was like, "Don't ever let her in again."

• 40:34Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god.

• 40:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Every single one has done something that I've then had to be like, "Hey, sorry, we actually broke up, and this is why he's doing this." Like, and I've never done any revenge, because I believe in karma more than I believe in revenge. And I think that if you do something to me, it's gonna come back to you 10 times worse than I could have ever.

• 41:00Hannah Berner?

  Girls, write that down.

• 41:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 41:02Hannah Berner?

  Write that down.

• 41:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I believe in karma more than revenge.

• 41:05Hannah Berner?

  That's happened to me before and I believe in that moment, you wanna be like, oh, he's fucking with me. I need to fuck him. But when you step back, like, that is so sinister of him to do. The universe doesn't reward that.

• 41:20Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it doesn't.

• 41:21Hannah Berner?

  And you trying to fuck with him is just getting in the mud with another, with pigs. Like, you're just playing, getting dirty. So like, let these men try to take you down.

• 41:29Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't believe in actively trying to fuck someone over because I think karma is like so much stronger. I do believe in revenge based on just doing better than them in general. And I think that is like a better approach, but the men are so fragile.

• 41:46Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, like, there have been times where a guy or a friend has done something to hurt me that, um, lit a fire under my ass to do stuff that I didn't even care about. Like, they don't realize that they

• 42:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Didn't even care.

• 42:02Hannah Berner?

  They threw dirt on my name and flowers grew. Like, you don't realize, I didn't even wanna do what I did, but you're the reason. When people try to destroy you, it's, it, it, it makes you actually see yourself in a better light. It's more like if no one cares about you, like, that's also annoying, that pisses me off. But when someone cares so much to try to hurt you, I'm like, oh, there's something special about you.

• 42:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, they're in love with you.

• 42:26Hannah Berner?

  And don't forget that. And Taylor Swift was...

• 42:29Paige DeSorbo?

  They're in love with you. Now, I am interested to see if Charli XCX does something, like, did she lis- like, okay, cuz you know when someone does something to you and you're like, oh, my god, I know they're talking about me? Or like, I know that's about me?

• 42:42Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 42:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you think that Charli was like, oh, that's a hundred percent about me? And do you think she'll retaliate?

• 42:48Hannah Berner?

  Well, this is the thing, in the music business, if she were to retaliate, she would get a shit ton of streams. So like, business-wise, I think she might. Um, or she's gonna, the next album she puts out, she'll put like one or two lyrics that sound like, maybe. Um, I always do think it's so fun, though, when someone like makes up a lie about you or like really comes for your throat and then you just don't acknowledge it cuz it's not true and you're just not gonna give it energy. Like, that's so embarrassing for them.

• 43:16Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's actually one of my most favorite things to do because I'm like, you can't even say anything because you know you're lying. So you can't even like really go into detail because there are none.

• 43:27Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 43:28Paige DeSorbo?

  But like, and- And I'm sitting here because I like genuinely don't care.

• 43:34Hannah Berner?

  We're having such a savage episode today. I don't know what's in the water.

• 43:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you want to know what? I have my period and so I'm fucking on one.

• 43:42Hannah Berner?

  The red blood moon.

• 43:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Like I almost like want to get into a fight just to release what I have inside of me.

• 43:49Hannah Berner?

  Also, your nails are red.

• 43:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I want red for Paris. I feel like it deserved it.

• 43:53Hannah Berner?

  You know, that's triggering for me.

• 43:56Paige DeSorbo?

  It's as you drink out of a red stanlight.

• 43:59Hannah Berner?

  It's orange. It's orange. If you're watching YouTube, comment below. It's a bright orange.

• 44:05Paige DeSorbo?

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• 45:34Paige DeSorbo?

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• 46:18Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:18Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, wait. Back to TV for a minute?

• 48:47Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you watch the new, like, the new season of Monster about Ed Gein?

• 48:54Hannah Berner?

  Ed Gein. So, I was unfamiliar with his work.

• 48:57Paige DeSorbo?

  As was I. As was I.

• 49:01Hannah Berner?

  Now, do I hate them, like, glorifying these monsters? Yes. Do I love watching it? Yes. Does it remind me my day could have been worse? Yes. Does it make life more about perspective and it helps me sleep at night? Yes. Is that my own issue? Yes. Anyway, so he basically was the inspiration behind, like, the movie Psycho, which was like the first ever horror thriller, sex thriller.

• 49:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't know that was, like, they what they create, that genre was created by Alfred Hitchcock.

• 49:31Hannah Berner?

  Texas Chainsaw Massacre was inspired by him. Because he had so many different sick things that he did, that they had like multiple genres from it.

• 49:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 49:38Hannah Berner?

  And there was also another movie that he, A Leatherface.

• 49:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 49:42Hannah Berner?

  Um, so this guy, what's with them all being from Wisconsin?

• 49:47Hannah Berner?

  What's going on? Go Badgers.

• 49:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Go Badgers.

• 49:50Hannah Berner?

  Go Badgers, Bucky.

• 49:51Paige DeSorbo?

  What's happening?

• 49:53Hannah Berner?

  It's cold, so there's not a lot to do and they're like, should we cut someone up?

• 49:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, here is I, obviously sick, sick man, mental problems, mental issues, all of the things. I started to get really nervous about my own self when I was watching it because I had a moment where I was like, oh, he's killing people, but he, he's not torturing them. Like he's killing, like he's killing them and they don't even know they're about to get killed. And like when you hear about like his childhood and like his mom, you're like, oh, he had no option other than to be a fucking psychopath. And so like, I didn't,

• 50:36Hannah Berner?

  See, I think he did.

• 50:37Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't feel bad for him at all. Like I'm not saying that I felt bad for him.

• 50:41Hannah Berner?

  And they said that he had like a gentleness to him, which is why he kept getting babysitting gigs. I was on TikTok last night, like he, he spoke really softly and he was, he was kind.

• 50:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I almost feel like if he didn't, if he didn't, if his schizophrenia didn't come out, he probably would have been just like a nice midwestern guy. But because he had, like he wasn't treating schizophrenia, like it just took, he just, he could, there's nothing he could have done.

• 51:07Hannah Berner?

  So for you guys who don't know, apparently his, apparently his mom was super religious and like told him all girls are evil. And she just has to love him.

• 51:15Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, she brainwashed him.

• 51:17Hannah Berner?

  She brainwashed him and then when she died, he was left just like obsessed with her and missing her. And almost wanting to be here. Cause like he would cross dress, but he wasn't.

• 51:29Paige DeSorbo?

  And I did look up because there was this thing where it was like, he would have sex with dead bodies. I looked up. That wasn't like confirmed.

• 51:36Hannah Berner?

  So he's a good guy?

• 51:37Paige DeSorbo?

  No, but like he would, no, no, let's not go there. Let's not go there. He's a sick, sick man who tortured and.

• 51:44Hannah Berner?

  No, he made lampshades out of people's skin. The cat, honestly.

• 51:49Paige DeSorbo?

  They were dead at the time.

• 51:51Hannah Berner?

  Yes. And the sewing work was incredible. It's, it's just sick, but it does make you feel better about yourself. You're like, okay, I have a little OCD.

• 52:04Paige DeSorbo?

  No same, I'm like, okay, so I get, I have a panic attack once a year, no big deal, I could take a pill.

• 52:13Hannah Berner?

  But um, apparently if you want to look deeper into it, there's like, an Ed Gein tape thing.

• 52:20Paige DeSorbo?

  No, he's a sick, and I, I'm sorry for saying that like, I felt bad for him. I didn't feel bad for him, but I was just like, he could have been sa- like, if he had modern medicine and therapy and like, a normal upbringing, like, I think he could have been saved, I don't think he would have turned into this monster.

• 52:37Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, yeah, uh, the schizophrenic stuff is, was hard to come back from once, it, yeah, apparently it happens like in your early twenties sometimes. You'll get like onset.

• 52:47Paige DeSorbo?

  That's why we need to have kids, because there's too many crazy people, like, procreating, making monsters, and we need to have children and make nice, normal humans.

• 52:57Hannah Berner?

  Wait, that is the big, nicest compliment you ever gave me, because I feel like.

• 53:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you kidding? I can't wait till your child can like, tell jokes, because I'm, I know I'm gonna be laughing at that kid.

• 53:08Hannah Berner?

  So sarcastic, I'm gonna be like, what'd you say?

• 53:10Paige DeSorbo?

  I can't wait for the first time my daughter like looks someone up and down and is like, that's what she picked to wear, mom, and I'm like, I know. Keep it in your side, like, I can't wait for the first time she offends someone, I'm like, you can't say that. Can't say that.

• 53:26Hannah Berner?

  Also, when kids offend you, it hurts on like such a deeper level, because it's, it's, there's pure honesty.

• 53:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Earnest.

• 53:35Hannah Berner?

  Also, one more thing about Ed Gein.

• 53:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:37Hannah Berner?

  Just like as a Hollywood, um, note, I think he would have been bigger if, if they changed his name, like Ted Bundy, great name. Great name. Zodiac Killer, great name. Ed Gein, doesn't roll off the tongue.

• 53:50Paige DeSorbo?

  It doesn't hit.

• 53:50Hannah Berner?

  It didn't, he didn't get credit.

• 53:52Paige DeSorbo?

  How many things were like based off of him, I, this was the first time I'd ever heard his name.

• 53:57Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 53:57Paige DeSorbo?

  His PR, didn't do a great job.

• 53:59Hannah Berner?

  No, get a, what do you, Cat PR Company, like, let's, let's get better.

• 54:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Not great.

• 54:04Hannah Berner?

  Not great, like, Wisconsin didn't have a good ad agency at the time, but I do think, um, I wanted to bring something up about our minds.

• 54:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 54:13Hannah Berner?

  We were on another meeting, where, we were both on my computer, and you started embarrassing me in front of everyone, being like, oh my god, you have so many tabs open, I'm sorry.

• 54:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Embarrass you?

• 54:22Hannah Berner?

  I thought we were in America. I thought we had freedom of speech.

• 54:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, also, we love capitalism.

• 54:29Hannah Berner?

  Do you not have a lot of tabs open?

• 54:31Paige DeSorbo?

  No, Hannah, I have no tabs open. I have the tab that I'm currently working on and no tabs open unless I have to remember something. I also have zero emails and zero text messages. That's the type of person that I am.

• 54:46Paige DeSorbo?

  You're shocked.

• 54:47Hannah Berner?

  When you online shop, you don't have like 4,000 tabs open and then like don't know if you want to buy it and you leave it open and you're afraid to X out of it in case you like have a curated, oh, you just buy it.

• 54:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Decisive, I just buy it.

• 54:59Hannah Berner?

  You just buy it?

• 55:00Paige DeSorbo?

  I deal with that problem when it comes. Then I'm like, return it. So I can't, no.

• 55:06Hannah Berner?

  See, I have like 500 Zara tabs open.

• 55:10Paige DeSorbo?

  No, because then if I get a notification, like something you added to your car is like running out, then like the anxiety of that, I have to, then I have to go buy it. And I'm like, I can't have other people have it and I not have it, no.

• 55:22Hannah Berner?

  It's, wait, this is crazy. Our computers really are like our rooms because you see chaos. I have it actually, like I know every single tab. And if someone Xed out of this, I'd be like, I lost everything. Like I have everything organized in the most like unorganized way.

• 55:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And everything for me has a home. Everything has a place.

• 55:43Hannah Berner?

  That's what my mom says. She said, everything needs to have a home.

• 55:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Hannah Berner?

  Oh, my God, I'm so proud of you.

• 55:48Paige DeSorbo?

  And if you clea-, I also think that your bedroom is a reflection of the inside of your mind. And so like I can't fall asleep if like I have clothes all over, if my closet door is open. Like I need things to be serene for like my brain to calm down.

• 56:04Hannah Berner?

  Do you ever feel like you'd rather lay down though, instead of clean? And you like, you don't have to, so you just don't?

• 56:12Paige DeSorbo?

  No, because if I'm laying down, I physically, it gives me like anxiety that there's things around.

• 56:18Hannah Berner?

  And that's depression versus anxiety, people.

• 56:22Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's 101. And that's how we're relatable, yet different.

• 56:28Paige DeSorbo?

  No, we literally textbook suffer. You have depression, I have anxiety. That's crazy Hannah.

• 56:34Hannah Berner?

  But sometimes we dabble, like I, girl, you know I dabble in anxiety.

• 56:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Totally. I haven't been depressed in a while though, knock on wood.

• 56:42Hannah Berner?

  Okay, humble brag.

• 56:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, I'm sure it's coming next week or something.

• 56:46Hannah Berner?

  Since I'm on tour, shout out, everyone see me in Phoenix and Vegas this weekend, my mom's coming. Um, my question to you is, when you have like a nine o'clock flight, and let's say you land at like 11:30 noon, are you drinking coffee beforehand? But then you're like jacked on the flight, like listening to Nashville songs, just like my legs shaking like crazy? Or do you land and you feel like you have a little headache and you feel off and then you're like gonna have trouble sleeping at night? Or you just don't get affected by caffeine the way I do?

• 57:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't get affected by caffeine the way you do. I think it's mind over matter, like I think it's, I think-

• 57:24Hannah Berner?

  She go, it's called being weak minded.

• 57:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I have never been the type, like people would be like, oh my god, you can't drink soda after like eight o'clock. And I'm like, grow up, people do hard drugs, you know, so I've never been-

• 57:38Hannah Berner?

  People are making lampshades out of people's skin, you could have Diet Coke.

• 57:41Paige DeSorbo?

  At a grip. So I've never subscribed to that school of thought, like I can will myself to fall asleep.

• 57:49Hannah Berner?

  Okay, I know, we were talking in the car about how I'm the opposite of Charlie Sheen. Like how Charlie Sheen can handle anything and I like, I can't. But I also think it is mental too, like I, I succumb to it. It's like when I smoke weed, I, I just go around asking anyone, everyone how to get on high instead of just leaning into it.

• 58:09Paige DeSorbo?

  You're not good with substances, like you can't really,

• 58:13Hannah Berner?

  I can't even have a full apple juice.

• 58:17Paige DeSorbo?

  You get like, yes, you're one of those kids that like, like I don't think I was ever affected by sugar as a child, like I don't remember. It is not on brand for me to be hyper. Like I don't think I was ever hyper as a child.

• 58:31Hannah Berner?

  Do you know my mom used to, like I wouldn't stop like being awake and like talking? And she would just slowly like press my head down on the pillow.

• 58:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Press your pillow into your face.

• 58:45Hannah Berner?

  She'd be like, maybe this will make us stop, but then, and then I, she would just like kind of softly hold my head down until I fell asleep.

• 58:55Hannah Berner?

  Wait, saying it out loud sounds crazy.

• 58:57Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I was literally bathing myself, putting myself in cute pajamas, getting myself in bed and then yelling, "Mom, I'm in bed."

• 59:04Hannah Berner?

  No, my mom had to dress me in what I was gonna wear the next day cuz it was gonna be so chaotic the next morning when I woke up to just know that I was ready.

• 59:13Paige DeSorbo?

  No, no. See, I was like the opposite. I was like, "Mom, where the fuck are my matching socks? Like, I'll burn this house down."

• 59:22Hannah Berner?

  See, I'm like, "I'm not wearing socks." I don't like how they feel on my toes. Also, my dad used to do this thing where when I was waking up in the morning, he'd be like, "Time to wake up," and obviously I wouldn't.

• 59:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 59:33Hannah Berner?

  Cuz, uh, pretty well. And then he would do this countdown, and he was like, "Don't let me get to zero," which like, I don't think is a good way to start your day.

• 59:43Paige DeSorbo?

  No, that's anxiety.

• 59:44Hannah Berner?

  He would be like, "Okay, ten, don't make me come in there. Nine," and I'd wait till it was like two, and then I'd be like, "Ah."

• 59:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, were you a child that got like one, two?

• 59:55Hannah Berner?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 59:58Paige DeSorbo?

  That makes a lot of sense.

• 59:59Hannah Berner?

  I was a, I was a timeout child. I had a lot of timeouts. I also, but then my dad started abusing it. Like, I would be like thirteen, he'd be like, "Give me the remote," and I'd be like, "No," and he'd be like, "Five, four," and I'm like, "You can't use it for this. You can't, I didn't do anything wrong." And he's like, "Three, don't make me get to one."

• 1:00:15Paige DeSorbo?

  It's so funny because I really don't think I was a child. Like, kidding. Like, I never had one, two, I don't, I never like got in trouble.

• 1:00:24Hannah Berner?

  Did you ever get in trouble in school?

• 1:00:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Never.

• 1:00:27Hannah Berner?

  For, you never got in trouble for chatting? Well, you had, didn't have me in your class cuz me and you would have been living in detention.

• 1:00:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, maybe I would get like Paige like quiet down, but I never got like Paige's like a problem to have in class.

• 1:00:41Hannah Berner?

  I was, I was never a problem. I did get like too chatty and occasionally I would try to like start a revolt. But otherwise, like...

• 1:00:50Hannah Berner?

  I feel like after second grade, I realized like, oh, you need the teachers to like you. And then I was like, fully on board. I was like, fuck my friends, like.

• 1:00:58Paige DeSorbo?

  I think I was just like so checked out that I was like, I don't care. Like, I literally don't give a fuck about this. I'm never gonna need it. Don't care. Don't care to even get in trouble because I don't want to be here.

• 1:01:11Hannah Berner?

  Do you know, I used to walk to middle school from my house and I would get lost all the time.

• 1:01:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's so New York City.

• 1:01:18Hannah Berner?

  It was like six blocks.

• 1:01:19Paige DeSorbo?

  What age did your parents start letting you go by yourself?

• 1:01:23Hannah Berner?

  In elementary school, me and my brother would walk to school. Like, I mean, Park Slope was like so nice in the 90s, like so beautiful. I just remember like fall leaves. And me and my brother would walk to school.

• 1:01:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's so sweet.

• 1:01:36Hannah Berner?

  And it was like three blocks, like it wasn't far. And then all the other kids would be walking to school. But I remember getting in trouble in school and knowing that the teacher was gonna try to talk to my mom. So then I realized if I can get to my mom before her, I could be like, Mom, I want a PB and J. Let's get out of here.

• 1:01:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, you're scheming, you're plotting.

• 1:01:57Hannah Berner?

  I was like, hey, Mom, um, real quick, can I talk to you for a second?

• 1:02:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Can I play for the side?

• 1:02:03Hannah Berner?

  Can I play for a chat? And then I, yeah, so anyway, I figured it out, but I was definitely chatty. And I would raise my hand all the time, which you didn't.

• 1:02:12Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I never did. Well, I couldn't read.

• 1:02:19Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's my villain origin story. I literally could not read.

• 1:02:24Hannah Berner?

  Your words are coming for me.

• 1:02:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Third grade and I, so I hated school. And then I just got competitive. Anyway, I digress.

• 1:02:31Hannah Berner?

  We digress, we digress. Um, you guys, thank you so much for giggling with us on this deep emotional episode of analyzing things and realizing things.

• 1:02:40Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna be on Jimmy Fallon tomorrow night, so make sure you guys tune in. And also, Daphne, Fall Collection is launching tomorrow, so 10 a.m.

• 1:02:49Hannah Berner?

  Obsessed, obsessed. Lock in. Um, also get tickets to see me in, I'm going to Wisconsin, where Ed Gein is from. Um, go Badgers Madison, Green Bay. And check out this weekend, Phoenix and Vegas. We love you guys so much. Talk to you soon. Bye.

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