The Power of Resilience: Why Adversity is Your Greatest Asset

In this episode of The GaryVee Audio Experience, I sit down with the legends on All the Smoke to discuss the biggest shifts in media and business. I explain the current state of linear TV and how you can win by mastering "interest media" through content volume. I also dive deep into why I believe nice guys finish first and how to build the emotional strength to tune out the noise of judgment. You’ll learn about:The Power of "Interest Media"Career Advice for Modern Athletes and EntrepreneursHow to Build Resilience Through AdversityHow to Overcome the Fear of Being MisunderstoodHow to Deal with Public Judgment or Criticism

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  If the Knicks win the NBA championship, the fucking Statue of Liberty is gonna be floating in the fucking Hudson River. That city is going to burn itself to the ground out of euphoria, and I can't wait for it. NBA Finals, 1982, tape delay. 1982 NBA Finals on tape delay. They played golf on CBS when the Sixers and Lakers played and aired it at night. You've got to create heroes. This is why Katelyn Clark is important. This is why Steph is important. Steph's a superhero for all the people under 6 foot. David Stern is misunderstood of how all time great he is. David Stern understood the number one rule of being a commissioner. Make your stars superheroes. This is the Gary Vee Audio Experience.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  Welcome back to All the Smoke. Good to see you, bro.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  My brother. You know what it is.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Monster. Put your glasses on for me real quick. Look like him real quick.

• 0:54Speaker 00

  And deliver the line.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  For boys in here.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Well, take them off the motherfucking set.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  What about when the college recruit comes to see Ricky?

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Okay, you know what? Can I get one of them scholarships?

• 1:07Speaker 01

  What you mean?

• 1:08Speaker 02

  I played baseball too. You know what I mean? You know a nigga like me, I just wanna go to college just for the bitch.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  There we go. He's back.

• 1:17Speaker 00

  So good.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  We got him in LA. Man, welcome to the show today. A serial entrepreneur, advisor, very outspoken about the land, the media landscape, consumer habits.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Real one.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Someone I learned a lot from. He saves me a lot of reading. I appreciate him. Welcome to the show, Gary Vee.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  We appreciate you spending some time with us. We were kind of just talking before we get going. We were talking about, you know, how busy you are and you're taking some time to jump on some shows and be interviewed and I guess give the world some more game. What are the benefits you see from doing that? Because you are someone that gives so much great information and you're always ahead of the curve. When you sit down and you allow people like us and some of the interviews you've done, how does that benefit what you do?

• 2:08Speaker 00

  I think it scratches kind of my selfish and selfless, you know, needs. Selfishly, like... There's people who've never heard of me that are gonna listen. I'm gonna drop something of value, I hope. And they're like, damn, maybe look into that guy and that may lead to a million different things, right? They may buy a bottle of wine from my dad's wine store. Or they, they may just say something good about me, which I'm very big on, like karma, reputation. There might be some people watching right now that, don't fuck with me. They're like, you know, I don't, because they didn't like something I stood on or something else. But they love you guys so much and we chop it up, maybe we'll talk a little ball, show other sides of me. The hosts will always take you to a place that you don't normally go. And then maybe like, wait, you know what? Fucking, he's all right.

• 2:53Speaker 00

  You know, like, it could be that. And then, and then selflessly, like, I've been living on guilt and gratitude a long time. You know, I was, you know, just, you guys, it's fun to say this to athletes. You guys were gifted with something we all wish we had, which was the athletic ability to play at the highest levels. A lot of us were like that. I was like that. I wished. Third, fourth grade, my hand eye was so off the charts. I'm like, yo, I'm gonna be an athlete. By sixth grade, though, I was like, damn, I'm gonna own a team, not play with it, you know? And so, you know, because athleticism, size, speed, all that shit started to come in. But at the end of the day, I, I really feel so grateful for the gifts I was given.

• 3:32Speaker 00

  And that is, you know, yes, all my entrepreneurial gifts and talents, but I have a real fortunate perspective. I keep it really cool in the middle. You know, it's really funny, like, sometimes I'll watch, like, extreme left and extreme right personalities and politicians follow me on the same day. Because I feel I'm very purple. I'm not scared to talk my truth. I'm not willing, I'm not scared to be misunderstood for a minute. I'm desperately trying to be historically correct. And so, you know, I enjoy, and plus I enjoy people, you know, it's funny, you can see I'm already looking at them as much as I'm looking at y'all, like, I just like chopping it up. And I'm grateful to be here.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Well, we appreciate your time. How's life? What's, what's going on with you right now?

• 4:15Speaker 00

  Well, I'm a dire Knicks fan.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Oh, because who's so life is...

• 4:17Speaker 00

  Oh, you're in your bag right now. You're in your bag. Real, real good. In fact, back to like traveling a lot, I've never spoken in San Antonio in my life. And I've spoken everywhere.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  And I, I saw the schedule and I'm like, motherfucker. I'm in San Antonio for game three of the NBA Finals. Which sucks because I'm usually in the Garden. So that's a problem and I don't like to cancel, so I won't cancel. And two, I'm like, shit, that's it. We're playing San Antonio and then after, you know, we're filming this after the game, game one and like, I'm like, that's gonna be, it's written.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  You gotta go.

• 4:52Speaker 00

  And the last, you know, obviously my last NBA Finals was Knicks Spurs. That didn't work out super well.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  You can't miss that game. You gotta be there.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Jack was just begging on camera earlier today about getting some, some courtside, so maybe you and Jack can enjoy.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, shit, I want a championship there. They should have offered me some goddamn seeds. To be honest.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  He's shooting shots right away. I'm already hurting because I remember that series very well. Very well. It's like too soon and it was fucking 27 years ago. Yeah, it's, uh, things are good. Everyone's healthy. Back to like simple perspective. I'm not joking about the Knicks thing. Sports is my great outlet, so this feels real good. I was up in Springfield, Mass at the Basketball Hall of Fame this weekend. My son was in an AAU tournament.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Oh, cool. How old?

• 5:35Speaker 00

  He's 13.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Okay, that's serious. AAU is, is.

• 5:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, and they got smacked up. They got put in the wrong fucking bracket.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  That's time consuming too.

• 5:43Speaker 00

  And they got smacked, but honestly, I was super happy, like, you know.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  You gotta see it.

• 5:47Speaker 00

  Well, that I love and obviously those are memories forever, but you know, I really do think adversity is the foundation of success. I really do. And, you know, when you lose 55 to 9.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, I meant they had to see that kind of level of competition because I think.

• 6:02Speaker 00

  And he knows that, you know, the kids, they didn't grow up like us. They, my son knows every 7th grader that's going to the league. With social media, they know every, I have an agency, as you guys may know. We just started getting into basketball. We rep Brandon Miller, which is a good one. And now we're getting serious and we're getting deep into the kid stuff. I'm using him to recruit 10th graders. He stays all day consuming all that AAU content. You know, he knows about Marcus Spears's son two years before I do.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  That's my little cousin.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  We were just talking about him. He's in the same grade as my kid.

• 6:34Speaker 00

  I'm just dropping some ball knowledge to make sure you all know. I know it.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  That's my little cousin. Look out for him.

• 6:38Speaker 00

  I'm clipping that receipt in three years when he goes number one overall.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Let's talk about the Knicks.

• 6:44Speaker 00

  Let's, please. That's really why I'm here.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Okay, I mean, it's hot at the right time. We know playing in the league is, it's about getting hot at the right time. I think they won, what, seven straight? First year coach Mike Brown, there's always been a knock, it's hard to win when your best player is a point guard. I think we can think of what Isaiah Thomas and Steph Curry. So Jalen Brunson is trying to break into that mold. Cleveland, scary team, but what do you think the chances are for you guys? And we'll just stay with the Eastern Conference first.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  I think it's really good. And by the way, I wish you knew me like that. Like, I'm not really blindly optimistic. Like, in fact, getting to the Western Conference, I think we match up different with the Spurs. Like, OKC does not feel like a winnable series for me. And so, if I'm keeping it real, though, obviously, I'm a delusional fan and you hope and dream, but if I'm keeping it real, real on wax, Cleveland, I feel good about, you know, because, you know this, and I don't even know why it happened. You guys are more knowledgeable than me. Detroit funked up. They fucked up, too, because they're out, but they funked up. They just, like, it felt different. And I was already on the, they're still a young team. Is this the time? Are they a year early? Obviously, we beat them

• 8:02Speaker 00

  last year. It was a tough-ass series. I watched every minute of that series. Like, that was tough. You know, those early couple games, it could have gone the other way. Knicks could have lost that series. I don't know why, but even in, and I thought Orlando actually could beat them. And Orlando barely got in. They got blown out by the backup Celtics. And in my Knicks thread, if I pull up the receipts right now, I'm like, guys, I think Orlando, because I thought Orlando could be big with them. What I didn't anticipate was Cleveland was able to be big with them. And they did a lot of smart shit. The way they ran their offense the last couple of games to take a sore, like, Cleveland coached up. And he can coach. They coached up, right? So I think the casuals don't know about the

• 8:43Speaker 00

  adjustments during. This is what, even becoming an agent years ago with my brother starting an agency, it's crazy. Like, I was a diehard knowledgeable fan, which is, you make fun of the casuals that don't know. Then I got into the agency business, and now I'm like, oh, damn, I know more. And then like you guys really know. And so what I mean by that is, I think Cleveland did a lot of good coaching. I think the Knicks understand themselves right now. But again, back to Atlanta, this is crazy how much this feels like 99. Like, they swept the Hawks in round two in four games and blew them the fuck out in a way that I still... Every time I see Steve Smith anywhere, I smile, because I'm like, "We fucked you guys up in 99,

• 9:27Speaker 00

  in that four-game series, and they just ran it back against the Sixers." Obviously, they were an eight seed that year, and it was crazy, and they stunned the Heat in the first round.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  That was the half-season, right? 99.

• 9:37Speaker 00

  That's right. It was a, you know, and, and they were an eight seed, and then Ewing got hurt, which took a lot of heat out of it for us, especially because we saw the Spurs were coming.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  The young Tim Duncan.

• 9:47Speaker 00

  He was just on... It's crazy. The Wemby, I mean, I'm like, "This is some deja vu crazy shit."

• 9:52Speaker 02

  More athletic Tim Duncan.

• 9:53Speaker 00

  Well, yeah. Wemby's just like impossible to understand. And so, anyway, I think we match up well. It's funny, I gotta give Cleveland some flowers. We did this to them several years ago. It's been my feeling about them, that you can punk them.

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 10:07Speaker 00

  Like, you know, like, and I love, like, I love Spider, I love, but I've always, like, Mobley, like, I was stunned how much we punked them three years ago, two years ago, three years ago, I think. We, like, we really punked them like that. Obviously, they're older. You know, back to Tim Duncan, when Mobley came out into the league, I'm like, "Damn, this guy could, like, really get there." He's that talented, he's shining, you know, what Donovan did in game seven stepped up real proper. Um, but I don't see Allen doing that. Like, Mitch and Kat matter. And Kat, after that, going into game three, obviously, you saw what happened. We adjusted. The reason we won seven in a row and were down 1-2 prior to that is, they've made some tweaks, they're running more through Kat.

• 10:50Speaker 00

  You know, his favorite, his dad's favorite player is Magic Johnson. I think he's a little bit in his Magic Johnson bag right now.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  He's out there in his bag, huh?

• 10:56Speaker 00

  You guys know, you guys know it better than I do, like, you can see he's happy about facilitating. That's a different version. And he's a big boy.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  He's a big boy.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  He's big, you know, like, and I, I think we're gonna have too much size for them, but.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  The biggest thing, y'all gonna have to guard the yard. They got two players that get to the basket at will.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  And they're, and they're gonna ISO Jaden Brunson as much as possible and make him work.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  If New York guard the yard, because the way they played, the defense they played against Atlanta was unbelievable. That's why they just blew Atlanta out the water. Mike Brown had those guys, I'm talking about with the physical team, the more aggressive team. Because I went to the, I went to a game in Atlanta. And the way they was playing defense, it was at another level. So if they can do that against Cleveland.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  And by the way, that continued, I mean, like, Maxey, Joel flopping over the place and hitting a big boy, like, like, they played real D, and Bridges woke up.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  I mean, it's all time, again, you guys know this too well. He's key.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  He's key.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  Deuce McBride's last game, fucking hit 8.3, like, you know, like, Deuce was hurt quite a bit, like.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Mike Brown is due too. He due too.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  He's due.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  I like to see, I mean, because, you know, we, we've talked about, you know, Mike Brown's first year in spots is normally well, and it goes, and it kind of goes, it goes down instead of up, but.

• 12:10Speaker 00

  That Clippers run was crazy.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  This could be a new, this could be a new situation for him, you know what I mean? And you went in New York, there's not, I mean, what would it be? Let's just put it in the atmosphere now, who cares if they play them? What would it mean if the Knicks got a championship?

• 12:25Speaker 02

  It's gonna be a parade in every state.

• 12:26Speaker 00

  Won the title? My friends, has anybody watched the clips of when we win?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  A regular game?

• 12:32Speaker 00

  A regular playoff game?

• 12:36Speaker 00

  Like on some real shit. Let me give some flowers to Mike and the Mad Dog. For the youngsters that don't know or that are not around the New York. Mike and the Mad Dog, pre-internet, I'm 50, pre-internet, Mike and the Mad Dog, sports radio 660, 24 hours, was everything. Like, I, I used to drive somewhere randomly just to listen to them.

• 12:59Speaker 00

  Mike Francesa, maybe in 91 or 92, I was in high school. He said something that I've never forgotten. I'm recalling this shit 30 years later, 35 years later. He was on this rant, it might, you know what it was? Actually, I'm going really deep in my bag. It's when the Knicks beat, out of nowhere, the Bulls in game one in Chicago. When the Knicks were starting that Pat Riley run. We thought we were gonna lose by 30. Bulls had just won a title, they were clearly going on to the next one. And we won game one in Chicago, and Ewing was in his bag. And I was like, I hated school my whole life. I could not wait to get to school the next day. Cause everyone was a Bulls fan. By the way, everybody who was a band, I don't know, you got nine kids.

• 13:44Speaker 00

  Anybody who was a Bulls bandwagon fan in the 90s that lived in like New York and Boston and Atlanta and LA, I just have like a public service announcement. You're a bitch.

• 13:57Speaker 00

  Like, I don't like, you know, like, I don't understand this. Because you don't have enough self-esteem for yourself. You need to get it from not you and you're just jumping on bandwagon. So we had more Bull fans in my high school in Jersey than Nick fans, or even, cause, you know. And so I couldn't wait to get at them. But anyway, during that series, it was all Ewing. Starks might have just, Mason and, this was not, later also, we loaded up in 93 and 94 with those guys. 92 season, it was Ewing, it was Gerald Wilkins guarding Jordan. You know, it was Oakley, it was, but it was Ewing. This is where like, Ewing doesn't get his proper, it was Ewing. And Ewing was the, he was the modern guy, like, he was seven foot and, by the way, he was a defensive player in college.

• 14:43Speaker 00

  He developed his offensive game in the NBA. Anyway, this is, you know, when people talk about stats, like, I'll tell, you know, people in the office, like, "Ewing got 30 and 15", they're like, uh. I'm like, "Bro, the score was 69 to 68." Like, people don't know, it was a different NBA. Right, anyway, Mike and the Mad Dog, Mike Francesa went on this three-minute rant. I'm recalling it 36 years later and giving him flowers. I hope one of his relatives is watching. He said, "Listen, New Yorkers love the Yankees, boy." That man's wearing that hat right now. "We love the Yankees." He's like, "The Giants?" "This city loves the Giants." He's like, "But let there be no fucking..." He didn't say "fucking." He said, "Let there be no confusion." "New York is a Knicks town."

• 15:28Speaker 00

  And it just hit me, and it made sense. I was like, "Right." Because I was a Jets fan, so Jets and Giants, Mets and Yankees. I was a Yankees fan. It was a mix. But the Knicks, this before Brooklyn came, which, by the way, it's funny, when the Knicks got to the playoffs and Randall, that first year, that's when I knew New York was a Knicks town. Because Brooklyn had a super team. It was the year they lost by the pinky, the little toe, to the Bucks. And the Knicks fucking won a, won, got into the playoffs, and the guard, and New York was going crazy. And no one gave a fuck about Brooklyn's super team. I'm like, "Damn." By the way, here's another one. "Brooklyn, you need to, they should move." "Brooklyn should move." I mean it. The Brooklyn Nets should move, because

• 16:12Speaker 00

  they had KD, they had Kyrie, they had a super team that was gonna win a title, or get there, and no one gave a fuck. And the Knicks barely making the playoffs, the city was on fire. That's a long-ass winded, that is a long-ass winded story to say you...

• 16:26Speaker 01

  If you think about it like that.

• 16:28Speaker 00

  If the Knicks win the NBA championship, the fucking Statue of Liberty is gonna be floating in the fucking Hudson River. That city is going to burn itself to the ground out of euphoria, and I can't wait for it.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  They lose it.

• 16:42Speaker 00

  Please, God.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Where does, as a lifelong Knick, where does Brunson rank in the hierarchy of Knicks? Obviously, still a lot to come from him, but up to this point.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  Well, he's well on his way. You know, he's well on his way, and, you know, it's all contextual, right? We were starving for so long. Even for me, I'm just young enough, I'm just older, young enough, where I already loved Bernard, and Bernard was cooking for us when we got Ewing. We sucked, but Bernard still went off for 50 on the Pistons, and like, we still have Bernard. It's been so long for Knick fans, right? It's why I will forever love Julius Randall. He was the first domino for us to start the tide. But what Jalen has come in and done is so incredible. You know, you know, listen. Well Clyde Frazier, Willis Reed, you know, those guys really deserve where they sit in Knicks

• 17:35Speaker 00

  Mount Rushmore. I think for anyone that's old enough to have watched them play, Ewing is like right at the tippy top. People, you know, I love Mello and he, you know, those guys did some work. But Brunson has, listen, they won a title, it's him. Cause we have recency bias. You know this, when everyone talks about their Mount Rushmores in the NBA.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  What have you done for me lately?

• 17:56Speaker 00

  Guys, with all the respect, like, we had to change the entire sport because of World Chamberlain. We had to change like every fucking rule. Do you know how crazy it is to be an athlete that changes like multiple rules? So that's like a level of like, but we, but we didn't watch it like that. So you're, there's a recency bias.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Big time collector, if you could own any piece of Knicks memorabilia, what would it be?

• 18:17Speaker 00

  That's a great question. Um, I would take the iced out envelope that David Stern was searching for to make sure the Knicks got the number one pick in the NBA Lotto when Patrick Ewing was coming out.

• 18:36Speaker 00

  That was good, right? I went in my bag there. Thank you, friends. Thank you, friends. And if you don't know what I'm referencing.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Look it up. Look it up. How crazy are Wimby's prices as a collector?

• 18:48Speaker 00

  You know, it's funny, let me contextualize this, cause I have the internet receipts to back it up. When Zion came out, the card hobby was starting to blow up. You guys might know this, cause what you do for a living, I was really that guy. I really was like, sports cards were coming in 2017, 18, Giannis, all that. And then a couple, you know, that next draft was the big one, us for RJ, we all wanted Zion. And I did not buy a single Zion. I knew there was a lot of production, cause I came from the 90s with junk wax and I knew Panini was just printing money and making a lot of Zion's. So I knew there was a lot of Zion's. And I was genuinely concerned about his injury risk. And so, I never bought Zion. And Zion's one of the worst plays of the last 5 to 10 years in collecting.

• 19:33Speaker 00

  You know, he's still, it's crazy how good and young he still is. Like, I desperately wish that he can turn it for himself and all that. And I think he'll be like a vet that like has a run one day, it'll be really fun for all of us, cuz you wish good on everyone. Wemby was different for me. All the people around me, my brother included, and he still might be right. We're like, and by the way, I love how 7'6 guys wanna be 7'4. Utah guys are funny to me. Like, all of us are like adding 2 inches in real life. Durant doesn't wanna be 7'4. Wemby's 7'6, bro. He ain't 7'4. I don't know why they do it, but fuck it, he can do whatever he wants. Anyway, this man is 7'6. He's fucking hitting 3's like he's Steph. Like, he's so crazy.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  I'm so glad because you just saw, I've always felt weird about Wilt. Like, I always felt like Wilt will never get his, he just missed the media era. Like, if we could watch the highlights of that 100-point game for real, we'd all be feeling different. Right. And I feel like Wemby's almost doing it for that type of person. Anyway, long-winded for me to say I went all-in on Wemby a couple of years ago, bought the fuck out of him. In fact, I waited to him getting dinged up. I have a Kaboom Gold, which is only 10 of. Which is, yeah, it's a real card. And I caught the absolute bottom, the blood clots, everyone was scared, and I'm like, you gotta zig when everyone's zagging. If you're trying to invest, you can't be like when everyone's like Bitcoins, you're buying Bitcoin now when people are like, eh, I'm not sure.

• 20:59Speaker 00

  When everyone's like Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, that's not when you buy. You don't buy when the area got cleaned up and you buy real estate. You gotta see it. I, you know, Wemby still can be injury prone and not become who he, you know, I think about Brandon Roy all the time. I think about him all the time. And again, I'm dropping that for y'all. You guys know, the kids don't know. The best ever do it. Bro, the kids, you know, we talk about Grant Hill, and it's crazy what his career was, but if you really knew what he could have been if he didn't get dinged up. Livingston, another guy with a real career. But, man, I wonder what he would have been. You know, Wemby can still go, Derrick Rose, D-Rose, right?

• 21:41Speaker 00

  So, Wemby could go through that, God forbid, I wish no injuries on anyone. Except Tom Brady, but that's already wrapped up. And I, uh, I just think he has a real chance to be a top 5 player of all time. He's just so crazy. It's so crazy. And you know what he has that I really fuck with? Cause I wasn't very big on that whole era of like everyone going on banana boats with each other. That motherfucker is trying to compete.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, he got dog in there.

• 22:07Speaker 00

  He, you know, when he's like, when they're asking, "You just won game 1." You can be gracious. You got a long series. You're not trying to rile up the other side, right? You guys know. And they're like, "Did you try harder tonight because you didn't get the MVP?" He's like, "Yep."

• 22:21Speaker 02

  I sure did.

• 22:22Speaker 00

  And like, and like for fans, that honesty, like we fuck with that, right? We like authenticity. And if you're a competitive person like I am, that's the shit that gets you going. And like when I saw that last night, late last night, because I was, I didn't catch most of the game. I was out working. I was like, "Yes, motherfucker. Yes. Yes."

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's no secret. He wants, he's put it out there. I'm gonna be.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, the All-Star game. That All-Star game was fun. Everyone's like, "We gotta fix the All-Star game." Wemby fixed it.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Competition.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  He tried to play. You know, and so.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Carmelo just said it on there. He understands what it means to be the face of the league on a global scale. I think he understands that. Yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  I have some fun DMs with Wemby because I really follow shit. So I started talking to him when he was like 14.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 23:08Speaker 00

  And I knew that. That's one of the biggest reasons I actually bought his card. I'm like, "This fucking guy." First of all, anyone who like replies with like, "Gary, you're the GOAT." I'm like, "Yeah, he's smart." No, but on some real shit, I could even tell in our interactions back then when he was in France. I was like, "This guy's got it."

• 23:25Speaker 02

  If you was part of his business team, what moves would you make?

• 23:29Speaker 00

  I would reverse engineer him. Meaning the best, the reason Vayner Sports has become so big so fast is, "I am who I am. My brother is who he is. The people around us are who they are." We're good because we reverse engineer the truth. Meaning, I can't answer it because I don't know him like that.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  Right? There is no right way to do anything.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:49Speaker 00

  There's no, "Try to get on the video game cover. Try to get that bag off the field." "Don't do anything off the court for 3 years and get in your basketball." Everything's different. It's what great coaching is. I'm sure you guys feel this, right? Like, I think I'm a good CEO because I look at my talent and I'm trying to reverse engineer them to put them in the best position to succeed, not what I think is the way to do it.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  So, you know. I would think a lot about where he's at, what's he trying to do? And, and then a lot for me would be like, the reason the NBA is so awesome, the reason basketball is so great is it's a global sport.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  You know, for me, it's football. The Jets are number one, Knicks are number two. I'm football, basketball. But football, and to their credit, they're starting to finally get their shit together last five years. They're starting to get a little more global. The Germany, Brazil games, all that. But the David Stern, man, people do not understand, I'll say it again, I'm just doing this. I'm, you know, I'm starting a new podcast called The Flower Shop. I just love giving people flowers. You can see I'm doing it all day right now with living. David Stern is misunderstood of how all time great he is. David Stern did, first of all, David Stern understood the number one rule of being a commissioner. Make your stars superheroes.

• 25:02Speaker 00

  People don't get this. I'm like, this is why Katelyn Clark is important. This is why Steph is important. Steph's a superhero for all, all the people under six foot. Oh wait, if I can get my hand, I can speak from firsthand watching my son. My son's miniscule, you see it? But when I was growing up, I tried to be Ewing.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:22Speaker 00

  Like, you know, they don't know this, y'all, you don't know about the eighties kids. We were all trying to be under the rim, trying to be centers, or do some Jordan shit. I never did it because I hated him so much, but, but, you know, but my kids era, you guys know this. They're, my son's handle, he, it's crazy. His range? He's sitting deep NBA threes.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  They're bad shooting those.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  Like, and he's, I don't even know how he has that strength. He's so small. Steph's a superhero to them. Jordan, Magic Bird, right? It's superhero stuff.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  And that's what Stern did, and he went global. With Wemby, I would try to make him known in places that he's a little less known. Whether that's Asia, whether that's Africa, whether that's South America. But all of it, he's known, that's the sport's global now. I'd have him on shit like this to show his competitive side.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 00

  You know, but again, only if I knew he was about that life. If he was like, fuck you Gary, season ends, I'm, next day, I'm in the gym, and I'm just like going, you know, when Rudy Gobert said that shit about like, what kind of like fucking water filter he had, you see that clip? You guys saw that?

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  Where Rudy was making that joke about like, Wemby hit him up about like what water filtration he has in the house. I'm like, alright, I'm getting into, like, I'm understanding. Wemby's thinking about it exactly the right way. So I would want to support that if I was on his team. Because you can get to all the shit later. Look at y'all.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 26:47Speaker 00

  Look what you're doing right now. Life is long. He can get to everything. I promise you, if he has seven rings, there'll be way more doors open. And if he wants to work, and if he wants to work on his game, even though I'm Gary Vee, the business marketing guy, I'm like, go do you.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Let's talk about a little bit about the, the, the business of basketball. Um, thoughts on Adam Silver? Uh, how has he done in your opinion? He, he, he takes a lot of shit, but you know, you just spoke to David Stern and he took a lot of shit, but he had a vision that to your point, made superheroes and made, you know, superheroes within a team setting. What is your thought on what you've seen from Adam Silver thus far?

• 27:25Speaker 00

  Anybody, anybody who's shitting on or, you know, looking down on Adam Silver are in the business of nitpicking.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Nitpicking.

• 27:36Speaker 00

  They are just, they're looking to find something. How is there any confusion? You know, I'm, and by the way, I'm a fan. I'm very empathetic that the games are on 97 different channels, you know, all the stuff. But like, I mean, he's navigating, when you're a commissioner, you know, like, things we already forgot about. Gambling scandal five minutes ago, that's already passed us, right? Uh, players not wanting to play. He's innovating. Whether you like the NBA cup or not, whether it ultimately works or not, it's completely irrelevant. From my standpoint, as someone who builds real things, he's trying to do shit.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:17Speaker 00

  He's trying to do shit. The new owners that are coming in, do you know how good of like, net new owners, Matt Ishbia and Ryan Smith are, Utah and Phoenix, these are real people. They're young, they have ideas.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  Like, like, he, I think he's doing a lot right.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  The G League is like a good thing, like, we have a real minor league, like, you guys, you guys are second, both of you are second round picks.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Uh huh, I was in the D League actually.

• 28:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, you guys really know what I'm talking about, like.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  It was the CBA, I'm gonna, it was the CBA.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, Isaiah was running it, yeah, like, you guys know that developmental shit was really secondary, you guys felt it, you guys understood it, you knew it, but now it's good. Like, now is, like, now it's good, like, fringe players, like, you can really do things. The game's more international than ever, the stuff they did in the Middle East, I like a lot.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  NBA Africa now.

• 29:14Speaker 00

  Which is a real thing, I'm really excited about that. You guys think Wemby's crazy, wait till we see these nine foot three African dudes come in 10 years.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Nah, they got a couple of my guys that I seen too, bro.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  I see him in 7th and 8th grade right now, and they say they're 12 or 13, but.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  They're really 26.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  They say baseball, yo. But, but, me personally, he's also a good human being. Like, again, you guys know this, I have the luxury of, I don't know Adam like that, but I have so many friends that are very around and, like, I just have enough context, he's a good dude, like, that's always a plus.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  Always.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  Like, you know, like, people don't know, the world's better now at exposing people, but, like, a lot of times, people aren't, and he is, and he's thoughtful, I think he gives a fuck about the fans, look, him maximizing the, the TV deal, that's what he's supposed to do.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:06Speaker 00

  And honestly, like, we all have all these streaming services anyway, like, you know what I mean, so, like, I don't know, I think he's done an extremely good job. And, uh, I'm excited about this draft thing they're talking about, that looks like it's gonna pass, where, like, the bottom four teams are actually negatively impacted by being in the bottom four, like, that lottery.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  I didn't see that.

• 30:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, so, I think, I could be wrong, it just crossed my radar the other day because of the, they were saying it was the last year of that, right?

• 30:35Speaker 03

  Bottom four teams with the worst records, they drop down in the odds for the number one pick.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  Right, so now all of a sudden, tanking is a whole different thing.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  If you in the bottom four, you guaranteed to get a top three pick. That's how it normally be.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  But see, that's what tanking coming in. People tank, now you can't do neither one of them. If you have a suck season, your ass just gonna be up suck next year.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  The best odds are being the fifth worst team. You can't control it the same way. I think they're doing a lot of stuff. Listen, my number one thing that I would love to see the NBA do, number one. If I had Adam's job tomorrow and I could, there's so much that goes into it.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  This was actually the next question.

• 31:14Speaker 00

  Really?

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I swear.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  So literally, literally the number one thing I think the NBA should do is start the season on Christmas Day. Let me tell you why. If they start on Christmas Day, them were all hyped, you know, they own it, that's opening day. But then it goes into August and they would fucking own it. They wouldn't have, they would be away from the NFL. You think we're locked into the NBA playoffs now? Could you imagine if all of August, when everyone's chilling?

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, where ain't nothing to watch.

• 31:46Speaker 00

  Are you, those ratings?

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Insane.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  Man, I would just move it a little bit. That shit would fucking cook. Right? Could you imagine August? We would be chilling, it would fucking crush. So just that extra 12 weeks or whatever, eight weeks and it would be from mid-October. I think that shit would cook. That would be the move I would do.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Would you still go 82?

• 32:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, listen, you know, this is when you love it so much. As a fan, you want it. You want to watch those games. Like, the load balancing, all that stuff. I'm empathetic to like why people do it, how they think about it. I'm okay if they went to, I don't want to see them go below 65. And this is just completely no rationale, just gut answer to you. I'm thrilled with 82. Like, when you love something, like, I love when Hawk Purdy is in there as much as, like, I love it. I love watching my team. I love watching Mo and the rest of the guys develop and think about who they might be in three years. So when you're a nerd and you fuck with it that heavy, you like every part of it, right?

• 32:51Speaker 00

  It's like beauty, right? Like, when you think something's beautiful, you love the blemishes as much as you love the things everyone else likes. As a diehard, I want, I want 100. You know, like, I just wanna watch it. But I, but I also don't get all bent out of shape when somebody's trying to strategize to... I'm all about win a ring over everything. Of course, I'm upset.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  That's the goal.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Listen, I'm a, I'm a very empathetic human being. It breaks my heart with the thought of family saved up for fucking four months because they don't have financial status like that. Just to let their little son or daughter go see Steph Curry and Curry's sitting that night. That hurts. I understand the emotion of that. But as a Knicks fan, I want Brunson and Cat and everyone to sit as much as possible if that's what they think's appropriate because I want a fucking ring, period and a story.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  The future of linear television. Where are we at with that?

• 33:51Speaker 00

  I mean, I know I've been on, I've got plenty of receipts on this for the last 20 years. We're on the last fucking breath. We're at, linear television is on some fucking... I fuck with the retirement home because I think wisdom is underrated. But like, linear TV, it barely exists.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  And by the way, though, I don't, I don't get romantic about the distribution channel. Like YouTube and social and streaming, like Netflix does not feel different to me than ABC. Like, it's not like we're still in the 80s where you gotta go up to the TV and move the dial. Like, you know, like, like, it's all the same shit. I mean, linear TV is, uh, you know, I own a, for people that don't know, the reason I talk so much about linear TV is I've owned a very large advertising agency for the last 15 years. And all of my clients waste all of their money when they run television commercials outside of the Super Bowl, which is underpriced at eight to 10 million a pop. Because we all, yes, underpriced. Because I'll tell you why, Jack.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  Because I can't spend eight million dollars and I know how to spend marketing money on Facebook or TikTok or podcasts. I can't spend eight million dollars to get 180 million Americans to watch a 30-second video, no matter when I'm at my AAA game.

• 35:15Speaker 00

  And so that means the Super Bowl is the best buy because you can get 180 million Americans. And we lock in. We watch it on YouTube the week before. We watch it on the morning shows the day after. We watch it.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  The important right now in this space of content to be winning in the social and the digital space.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  What are the right moves?

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 00

  Volume. And this fucks with people. Matty, people get so mad at me when I talk about quantity. Because people want this dream of quality. They think that if you make a lot of content, it can't be good. They think there's a conflict between quality and quantity. This podcast that we're doing right now, if I was running shit behind the camera, we would have at least 40 to 80 clips from it. It would be posted on nine to 10 social networks. We would transcribe the audio into written form and we would have a full Substack and Beehive about it.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  And it would be posted on 40 other handles that are not your main handle, that are alt handles, because we now live in interest media, not social media, and a clip with us on a net new TikTok account that has no followers, could get 2 million views, and could lead to more subscribers, which leads to more ad revenue, which leads to a fucking business.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Thanks for that.

• 36:39Speaker 00

  You're welcome.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Appreciate that.

• 36:41Speaker 00

  I know why I'm here. I know exactly why I'm here.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  You've always been ahead of the curve. Let's take a look at this clip from 2008.

• 36:49Speaker 00

  Oh man, this is crazy. You want to say something cool? Let's zoom in over here. We have 125 people watching me on YouTube. How many of you read the newspaper every day? Go. No, no, no, no, no hell, no, no, no, no. Yes, yes, no, no. Gucci would be far better off going to every watch blog and buying ads there. Because not only are the prices and the ROI, CPM, CMO, CTC, whatever the value they get on the backend is so much higher. And here's a better one. They can track it. You don't have to guess what this meant. I don't see companies going away from online marketing and when they start embracing social media marketing, it's really gonna explode. And then listen, that's a decade from now, but...

• 37:29Speaker 02

  In your bag.

• 37:30Speaker 00

  In my bag, man.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  That edge up.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  I just knew. You know when you know?

• 37:34Speaker 02

  Man, yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  Back to when I talk about athletes, do you know when you like knew you're like, fuck, I'm good at this? Whether it was eight or 11 or you bloomed late, like, I don't know how your guys journey, but at that point, that kid right there, I was like, I just know business and marketing better than people.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  You had, you had, you had like a serious energy about yourself right there, like.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Your confidence.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, yeah.

• 37:59Speaker 00

  Because what's crazy about that, and it's what I'm gonna do now, I, I stay in my fucking lane.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  When I talked about that, I wasn't talking about it in theory, I was doing online and social marketing to help build my daddy's business. I only speak, I'm not trying to guess out here. I ain't trying to let you fuckers clip something where I'm crazy wrong.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  You know, you know, this is why I'm so grateful that I'm not a talker. In an alternate life, if I didn't have entrepreneurial DNA, I would have been a very substantially popular sportscaster, but my timing would have been fucked because when I was growing up, you weren't pontificating your random opinions, trying to fucking get clips.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Pontificating, write that down.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Let me get that.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  You were, you were, right, you were facts oriented. You might bleed a little bit into something, but it was grounded in knowledge, which is why I always listen to fuckers like you, because you played it. But now, like, you're forced to like just say random dumb shit. You think, like, how do you think fucking people feel when their clip is showing that they said that Iguodala should be taking the last shot, not Steph?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 00

  How do you think people feel when they're saying, you know, all the crazy clips we see of like worst takes ever? Like, you know what I mean? Like, and, and I'm empathetic to everyone on ESPN and other places. The culture's forcing you to do it.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:20Speaker 00

  What's your options? You either say some random shit that you probably kind of believe, or you're guessing.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:27Speaker 00

  Or you're not on. This is why this medium is the best. You don't have to worry about that dumb shit.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  And all of a sudden, for me, I'm not trying to talk about live, I've been watching live shopping. There's another clip, I thought that's where you guys might go, where I was talking about live shopping 15 years ago, I've been waiting. Every day, I've been watching China for a decade. I'm like, this shit's coming to the US. This shit's coming to the US. And then finally, two years ago, whatnot, TikTok shop. And then I got loud. I'm not trying to guess. Even Wemby, did you notice how much I hedged about injury?

• 40:02Speaker 00

  Like, it's hard. And so, but I, but I'd rather speak from a place of knowledge. The reason you saw that confidence is, I wasn't guessing. I was living the benefits of it, and I could see it was growing.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  You knew your shit. Say no more, no more pontificating today, okay?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  You know what that means?

• 40:21Speaker 02

  No, but I'm assuming he doing it. Yeah, I know he doing it. Whatever it is, I know, I know he doing it. Whatever it means, you guilty of it.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  It's just shooting from your ass for no reason.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  Oh, that's definitely him.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Let's get to the big three. I'm, I'm happy you're involved in the league, or you're invested in the big three. Tell me how that happened.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  I mean, when you're 50.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Triplets.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  When you're 50.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Joe Johnson.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  Yes, sir. When you're 50 years old, and you grew up in Edison, New Jersey, and you went to Martin Luther King Elementary School. And Ice Cube calls, you say yes.

• 41:03Speaker 00

  That's actually how that happened. You know, it was a good time in my life. You know, Cube had good people around him as well that had a vision.

• 41:12Speaker 00

  I'm very bullish on alternative sports. I made a real bag in pickleball. I was really right about that. I wrote, my brother and I wrote one of the first checks into Unrivaled, the female version, which is different, because you know, it's real players like that. But, you know, Cube and them had, you know, had a CBS deal. So, you know, people see it. I knew at that point, social media clipping was about to explode. So I'm like, okay, this could get more exposure.

• 41:38Speaker 00

  I'm actually very, there's, actually, I get to talk on this.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  You got your championship too?

• 41:43Speaker 00

  Yes, sir, thank you. But here's, here's a fun one. I'm gonna pitch you guys something right now. This is really fun for me. One of the other reasons I invested in Big 3 was because for years, still, as I sit here, I'm about to pitch it to the world, I have this thesis that if Magic Johnson and Larry Bird played one-on-one on pay-per-view, and there was a gambling overlay, like there is now on everything, and they did a 24/7, like they did with boxing back in the day, where we watched Bird and Magic for eight weeks get into the best shape they can, that the ratings on that game would blow you away.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  Because I do not believe the world understands the value of nostalgia.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

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• 43:18Speaker 00

  I know everyone in this room would be popcorned up.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  And watch the fuck out of that one-on-one.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  And so, I, I, you know, Joe and, you know, and many others, like nostalgia still matters. And good ball comes in different shapes and sizes, you know? Back to me just being in Springfield, we toured the Hall of Fame before his game. There was a five, there was a girls' game, they were probably 13, we got captivated in that game. Me and him watched the full end because it was a tight game and it was just like, that's what's beautiful about it, right? It's like fighting. We all love the best UFC and the best boxing match, but we loved watching Kimbo slice, fuck people up in backyard fighting too.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  So, you know, I think that there's a lot of room for not the best in the world at that moment. There's a little more room back to television. There wasn't enough channels back in the day.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:17Speaker 00

  If you weren't on TV, you weren't known.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  But now? And so, esports, pickleball, slam ball I'm involved in, big three.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Hold on, what about wiffleball?

• 44:29Speaker 00

  I invested in that as well.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  I found those pages, those are so dope. They're taking me back to my childhood, but they got the fields and they're throwing

• 44:36Speaker 00

  That crazy ass shit.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  That ball so fast now.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  No way I could hit that shit.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  What intrigued you with that?

• 44:40Speaker 02

  No way.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  So, let me go to pickleball and then I'll explain.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  And Ray.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  It's the same answer for wiffleball. And I'm glad I said it earlier. Do you know why I think pickleball is working a little bit? It's got a long way to go. But it's because of Anna Lee Waters. We rep at Vayner Sports and she plays for my team, the Fives, the New Jersey Fives. A 19-year-old girl who is

• 45:03Speaker 01

  I did this.

• 45:03Speaker 00

  Who is the best player in the world? And she has the potential because of her personality and she's the best. And unlike other sports, basketball and tennis, the best girls' player in the world is the best player in the world. She's the best player in the world. Like when they go one-on-one with males, because pickleball's crazy, that's why your grandma can beat you. It's like a sport that's designed to like level the athleticism playing field. I felt like I could make her famous. Now she's on Fallon, now she's on McAfee, like Maha, like we're all working together to build her up. Ryan Harwood deserves the most flowers. Wiffleball is gonna work if we can find our Wilt, our Muhammad Ali,

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:47Speaker 00

  Our Joe Namath. But let me just be a Jets fan for a minute. Joe Namath becoming actually famous, as famous as the Beatles, is one of the most impactful things that happened to the NFL. Boys, ladies, Super Bowl I, 30,000 empty seats in the Orange Bowl.

• 46:07Speaker 00

  Back to David Stern, NBA Finals 1982, tape delay. 1982 NBA Finals on tape delay, they played golf on CBS when the Sixers and Lakers played, and aired it at night. You've got to create heroes. You've got to create stories. In wiffleball, all I gotta do is find one person that feels like Babe Ruth, that feels like Sandlot, that feels like a celebrity, and Andre Agassi for tennis. You guys know, when I say it like this, it makes sense. You're like, damn, Ronda Rousey and Conor McGregor, do you know what they... That's why Dana White, Vince McMahon, did it in make pretend with Hogan. But Vince McMahon, Dana White, and David Stern are all very similar.

• 46:52Speaker 00

  They created stories around humans that got us fascinated, that made us tune in. Do you know what wrestling was before Vince McMahon? It was a fucking circus on the side that your weird uncle watched.

• 47:08Speaker 00

  There was no Hulkamania, there was no like, The Rock. So, same with the NBA, bro, the 70s were rough. Boys were doing that white powder, shit was crazy. Like, the league was in a tough spot. And then Magic and Bird played that NCAA game, and they took that weight, and then Jordan came along, and it was over.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  What's your role? You have any like, you have like, any role with the team like on a day-to-day basis?

• 47:33Speaker 00

  No, the way that field structure was more of, was more of an, like every other thing I'm involved in besides Big 3, I have a much bigger role.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Your coach is Dr. J?

• 47:40Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  Which is like...

• 47:41Speaker 02

  You got Joe Johnson on the team.

• 47:42Speaker 00

  And Lisa Leslie in the past.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  She's a...

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Yep, she's the one, coaches to the championship, y'all beat us in the championship. Of everything you invested in, what's your favorite success story?

• 47:54Speaker 00

  Mick Mack. Mick Mack is a company that just sold. Rachel Tippo, big shout out to her. I invested in company in three minutes only because of her. I didn't even love the idea. I loved it, you'll laugh, it was QVC for social media, so it was live shopping a little bit. But I didn't like the way she had it structured. But it's kind of like being a GM that drafts on talent, not at that moment. I just saw her. And let me tell you the number one thing about having a long career in the NBA and being an entrepreneur. Adaptability. Changing along the way, right? You guys know, you guys hang along. Yeah, Vince Carter being a three-point shooter compared to the kid we saw day one, that's crazy. I'm still blown away by that. Like still to this minute, I'm shook.

• 48:39Speaker 00

  That man was fucking meek. He was Dominique-ing it. If you told me 18 years later that motherfucker was gonna be hitting threes, I would have laughed you out of the room. Wow, what work ethic to be adaptable. Rachel pivoted Mick Mack multiple times. On its deathbed, multiple times. I also wrote a check when I didn't have money like that to keep it alive, so it's personal. To see her have such a significant, meaningful eight-figure exit. Maybe nine-figure exit, like a real exit. Feels very fulfilling. Obviously, Facebook was crazy, like just picking that in 2007 was crazy. Twitter, Tumblr. Liquid Death, I wrote the first check into Liquid Death, he was my employee.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  That one actually is in my pathy on because I actually didn't know if he could do it. I wrote that check only because I'm a good person. Straight up. He was, he literally resigned from my company, VaynerMedia. It was like, I got this idea, Mike. And he's like, I got this idea, I'm gonna start this water brand. He's, he's like, would you like to invest? I'm like, yep. He was a creative director. And I'm kind of like, like I'm a stereotypical businessman who's like, oh, that's like the creative art person. They can't build a business, they just got ideas. So I didn't know him like that. I wrote that check only because I wanted to be supportive because I didn't want to be a hypocrite. Right? If I believe in the entrepreneurial dream, I can't be holding down my employees. I need to build them up.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  So I'm gonna make real paper out of my biggest thesis, which is, nice guys finish first, but the world's got you all twisted thinking they come last.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  What's the most important thing a company needs to possess to succeed?

• 50:19Speaker 00

  Resilience.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Resilience.

• 50:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, man.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Because it's gonna be ups and downs.

• 50:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, man. Like, this is where I get mad at people weaponizing luck. I'm sure you guys heard this. Like, you know, to become a professional athlete, you know this, a lot of guys came up with you that were better than you.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  A lot of luck.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  A high percentage of them was better than us.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  A lot of luck.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  But what they don't understand is there's multiple other parts. There's this, there's this, and then there's work.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  The best athletes in jail.

• 50:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Right now. I'm just keeping it funky.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  That's just true, dawg.

• 50:51Speaker 00

  And many, and then you know, we're in a better world now where the kids from the streets are smarter because they got more information. So, but they may not be in jail. They just might be a fucking, you know, agent.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Head case.

• 51:02Speaker 00

  They might be, or good. They're just selling insurance. There doesn't need to be drama like that.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:07Speaker 00

  But they didn't put in the work like you guys did. They didn't, there's adaptability, there's serendipity. But when people weaponize luck, they're on some loser shit.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  That's their excuse. And so, same with companies, man. None of them, not Facebook, not fucking Amazon, not Oprah. Like, there's nobody who made it without resilience. This thought that someone had it easy. Even when they shit on rich kids, you guys know this, like, we grew up in a way that's different than the benefits of our children. But like, I don't know how you guys are, but like, that's not always an advantage.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Starting behind is not advantage.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  You know, like adversity is foundational to success. Like grit matters, like when you're like going through all the circuits and you know, you know, you got a personal chef instead of eating McDonald's or White Castle, like you, you know, it's different. It's plus those kids have, I mean, that's why, bro, my flowers for Bronny are off the charts. I couldn't even imagine being LeBron James's fucking kid.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  Like, I don't, like, I know people won't get this and I might get some shit for this. I think that's the most adverse shit. And of course, someone's like in the comments like, yo, fuck you. I'd love to have, you know, that house and like, I get it. I'm talking just about like, do you understand the emotional fucking damage? You get like, you're just dealing with it.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Always in the shoes, everywhere you go, you're in your daddy footsteps. Everything, everywhere, just everywhere you go.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  I mean, you have to be very emotionally strong, like, big shout out to the parenting that goes on in that house.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Has to be. I think one of the biggest things you said, like, was something I learned, I think is one of the biggest things I learned in my lifetime. To make love to the good and bad times the same way.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Well, listen, you had real adversity.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  You know, at the time, when that shit all went down in the palace, like, I don't even know where, you were young as fuck, man. I can't even imagine what the fuck was going through your head. But now, these little gray beard?

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:15Speaker 00

  You now know that's some of the best shit that ever happened to you.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:17Speaker 00

  It's just the truth.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Like, you don't know it at the time.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  You know, when you're waking up that morning, watching ESPN and like, your boys are going, like, this shit is so fucked up. And like, you didn't know what the fuck was gonna happen to your life. You're a child when that went down.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Today, you know, first, you know what the best part of having some real shit happen? Is you learn real quick who the fuck your friends are.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:39Speaker 00

  Like, one of the great things of going through some real shit?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 00

  Is that shit exposes quick.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Everybody.

• 53:45Speaker 00

  Right? And both of you have been through some public shit.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  You learn real fucking quick. And two, in hindsight now, when we get to chop it up like this, you're like, that made me stronger. That made me learn how to tune out this. You go through some real, real shit. Where people say some things that really hurt you in your soul, especially when someone that you thought was your fucking boy. You start to learn how to calibrate words.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? That's the biggest vulnerability to everybody. Most people don't know how to calibrate words.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Break that down for us, because I know people like, what you mean by calibrate?

• 54:16Speaker 00

  Most people are bitches.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  Like, most people try to act tough.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 54:21Speaker 00

  And then somebody says something, and they break down and wanna fight.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Yup, yup.

• 54:25Speaker 00

  And that's fine, I like fighting, I grew up in that era, like, I believe in it a little bit. In fact, actually, I'm a little bit pro, our kids need to fight a little bit more.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:32Speaker 00

  I think the reason everyone's such a fuckface is people can say shit without getting punched in the face.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Yup, yup.

• 54:36Speaker 00

  Especially on keyboards.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 54:38Speaker 00

  So I'm pro-fighting on the record.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 54:39Speaker 00

  Meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile, if I call you, if I ca- you know, like, I think about this for a lot of tough guys I grew up with. I was like, "Man, this person thinks he's tough, I can say one thing right now, and this kid will completely lose his shit."

• 54:53Speaker 02

  Over it.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Like, not having the emotional strength to be able to deal with judgment, hot takes, two cents, people trying to tear you down.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  That's real strength, that's real man fucking hood.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:05Speaker 00

  You know, and I, listen, I do think there's a time to, like, go there.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  But not on an insult, like, watch it, bro, real talk, all these tough guys are on social media right now, fighting like 13-year-old girls.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Man, this is...

• 55:19Speaker 00

  Like, like, girls, like, children, like, I don't know if anybody- I promise you, if we took this way back 40 years ago, and people watched how people are fighting, and I'm talking like, I love Stephen A. cause I'm a Knicks fan, right, like, when Stephen A. is fighting with whomever, or even you, like, like, fighting? Like, on some real girl drama shit.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  If it wasn't social media, and they, and they wouldn't get, they couldn't get attention from, a lot of people wouldn't be saying this stuff.

• 55:45Speaker 00

  But let me say this, social media's exposing.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  You know, when we grew up, this shit was just happening at dinner tables, people crying about dumb shit.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:55Speaker 00

  People always crying about dumb shit.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  We're just now being exposed by it.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  I don't think people are emotionally strong, I don't think people understand that people's words are only a reflection of them.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  You know why I like giving flowers? Cause I'm good.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  And I want people to, I, literally, I'm saying all this shit, I can, I can feel it in my body right now, I'm like, "Hope they see it." Feels nice, feels ni- I'm sure, I mean, you guys, when you get flower, you get pl- plenty of flowers, feels nice, you're like, "That was nice."

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  I'm glad they like, you know, it feels nice.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  Like Walo say, you know, I've never heard nobody doing, work, doing better than me, talking about me. Never.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  It's so rare. It's so rare. It's just the way it is and like, listen. I get. Listen, I spend my life thinking about insecurity versus real confidence. Frameworks. Mindset, perspective. Honestly, when people shit on me, I feel bad for them. Like, real talk. I couldn't imagine. Spending two minutes going around the internet. Looking at something. And then wasting my time trying to hurt someone. I do not.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  That's crazy shit ever, dawg.

• 56:58Speaker 00

  When you bring it down like that, right? Like, it's a really sad thing. Like, it's like.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Wake up thinking about it?

• 57:03Speaker 00

  You know, like, really? You, like, took your time. Instead of building some shit for yourself.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  You wake up.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  To go and try to tear someone else down. I, I don't think they're, I don't hate them. Um, I ain't mad at them. I fucking feel bad.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz it, cuz it says life kicking you in ass right now.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're just in a bad spot. Exactly. You're in a bad spot. If you're trying to. Spit poison, you got poison in you. Tough to spit it when it's not in you.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  You gotta demean somebody to get ahead. You ain't going nowhere.

• 57:30Speaker 00

  Nah, man.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  You ain't going nowhere.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  One of my favorite sayings, two ways to build. The biggest building in town. One, tear down everyone else's building and your little building looks good. Two, just be fucking talented enough to build the fuckest biggest building.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, let us know. Five dinner guests. You plus five, dead or alive?

• 57:48Speaker 00

  Macho Man Randy Savage.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I snap into that Slim Jim and I tell him a little bit then I'm gonna go to the top of the jump rope and I'm gonna jump down. And then Macho Man is gonna do it, yeah.

• 58:02Speaker 00

  The reason Macho Man is who he is, is literally everyone's got their version of a Macho Man.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  I love the Macho Man, dawg.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  He was the best. My number one. Macho Man.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  They weren't just northern powder in the seventies, I guess, huh?

• 58:13Speaker 02

  No, they was, they was.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  Both of my grandfathers. I didn't get to know them. I actually met my mom's. Dad, I knew him until I immigrated from the. Soviet Union to the US when I was three. He died right when he was starting to immigrate over, which was devastating. But I don't remember him, which is crushing cuz my mom tells me I have a lot of him in me. Jim Henson.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Muppets.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  So, check this out. This is, I'm in my Jim Henson era. I have something called V Friends. So, I'm building the next Pokemon. I'm putting out on wax. I'm building the next Pokemon. It's called V Friends. 250 characters. Tenacious termite. Patient panda. Right? You know, respectful raccoon. Entrepreneur elf. Rare robot. Very, very, very, very lucky black cat is the logo. Cause I'm trying to change perceptions. Why's a black cat gotta be unlucky, by the way? Think about that one for a minute. Anyway.

• 59:05Speaker 04

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• 59:33Speaker 02

  Everything black is bad, that's what we was talking about.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  Bro, you think, um, trust me, I was leading the witness.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Everything white was right.

• 59:38Speaker 00

  I really, it really fucks with me that black cats are unlucky. My whole life, I felt that way. And so I made the logo. My Pikachu, my Mickey Mouse, my Kermit the Frog is the very, very, very, very lucky black cat. Anyway, I'm building this world. When I started it five years ago, I'm like, oh, I'm Walt Disney, Vince McMahon, like that kinda stuff. But then when I was going through it, I was like, damn, Jim Henn, cause for V Friends for me is the most selfish and most selfless thing I'm doing. Selfish, cause I'm gonna build a billion dollar company, sell it and buy the Jets, win a Super Bowl. Selfless, because I'm writing comics, kids books, putting out content, teaching resilience, Resilient Red Devil. Uh, I'm doing a really big play for girl dads. If you're a girl dad out there, please go check out V Friends.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  Two of the 10 biggest characters in my world are fearless fairy and ambitious angel. And she's a nice little brown girl that's gonna build the biggest company in our world. And so I'm doing these stories, real self, I'm trying to help parents. I grew up in the eighties when we watched He-Man. You remember this? He-Man would, Adam would come on in the end and be like, and remember guys, be nice to your sister. And I'd be like, oh, nice to my, like now we got all this fucked up content. And parenting's hard as shit. I'm like, I'm gonna build a world, do the Gary V thing. Cause listen, I know that a lot of people fuck with me, but I know a lot of people don't fuck with me. They don't like the curse, and they don't like the energy, they don't like that I'm a white dude. I don't, that I, like, I can't be the vessel for all eight billion people, but these 250 characters can. So Jim Henson would be number four because I'd love to pick his brain. Do you know what Fraggle Rock?

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, Fraggle Rock.

• 1:01:07Speaker 00

  Do you know what Fraggle Rock's brief was? When they invented it, they create a framework, it's called a brief. Usually it's very long. You explain, you know what a brief is. Do you know what Fraggle Rock's brief was? End war.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, the homeboy, they look like one of them characters.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  I used to call him the Fraggle.

• 1:01:25Speaker 00

  But, but real talk though, for a second, right? Real talk, like, end war. So for me, I would say number four is, um, is, is Jim Henson. I'll leave number five to think through, leave it on the side.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  You just said something, but a lot of people like me fuck with you because you don't give a fuck. I think that's a lot, that's why a lot of people relate to you because you don't give a fuck. You gonna keep it raw and real at all times and that's what the word of the word is.

• 1:01:51Speaker 00

  And from a good place.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  You know, a lot of people keep it real, but they're real pieces of shit.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? And like a small group likes them because what they're doing is they're, they're demonizing another group. And they're like, yeah, I like that guy because he's shitting on that.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  There's a ceiling on that though.

• 1:02:07Speaker 00

  But I think with me, I am not scared, which is the only way to keep it real.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  But I'm coming on some real love shit, bro. Like I, I can't comprehend why I wouldn't want every person that I'm looking at right now.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  To win.

• 1:02:20Speaker 00

  And all, like, why wouldn't I? And if they're better than me, like, listen, fuck it. It's why I fuck with sports. You guys did the greatest thing in the world. You did something that no one could fucking cheat. It was 114, 109. You won or you lost. It's why I love business, it's the second closest thing. Like either you build a business or you don't. Either this podcast gets ratings or it doesn't. You either get sponsorship or you don't, like, it's, it's the next closest. You could fuck around a little bit with taxes and all the bullshit, like, sports is just, and why, it's why I really love UFC and boxing. With sports, as you guys know, like, there's a lot of pieces to what y'all did. Coaching, ownership.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Hand to hand combat.

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  When you go in the fucking cage and it's you and the other person, that shit is the realest shit of it all.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Ain't no tagging.

• 1:03:09Speaker 00

  Oded Weinstein. You know who that is? I do, because I beat him in a fight, three out of four times. He got one, I'm still bitter about it.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  He kept coming back though, he got hard.

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  Bro, we had a straight Ali-Frazier rivalry from second to seventh grade. And we had the apex, just like the Thrilla Manila, we had the apex. Marcos Hill.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  Outside of John Adams Middle School.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  The buildup was crazy.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  Fucking twenty-five, the buildup was super crazy. Here's why. I was 2-0. I beat him in second and fourth grade. Beat his ass. But then he got bigger. Remember, I told you I was really good in second, third grade, but then he got bigger.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  He went to weightlifting.

• 1:03:43Speaker 00

  And in sixth grade, I talked some shit. I talked some shit. I turned around. This motherfucker pushed me into the locker. I'm a skinny ass little fucker and the fucking, you know, the fucking.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Lock.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  Thank you. That shit caught me in the ribs and didn't feel good. And then he got me in a sleeper. Teacher came in, broke us up. It was before homeroom, so I thought it was minor. By lunch, everybody in sixth grade was like, "Oded beat up Gary." And I'm telling you, besides when my sister started swimming three seconds before me, because I was scared of that I was gonna die swimming, and I jumped right in, because I couldn't have her swim before me, there was no other time that I knew I had to do something more than I had. And I, out of like an eighties movie, got up in fucking lunchroom, walked over to Oded and said, "Me and you, Marcos Hill, after school."

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  Three thirty.

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  And, and, you know, there was probably seventeen to twenty-nine people there. When I tell the story, there was forty thousand in attendance. And it's crazy. He, like a real fucking, scrap in, before homeroom was like scrap. This was a real stand-up shit. And he's winning early. And he's on top of me, like really on top of me. And I'm like on some straight, like just dodging shit, not catching a real one. To this day, I'm fifty years old, that was like the most apex moment of my life. I knew that if I didn't figure something out quick.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  It was about to be over.

• 1:05:05Speaker 00

  That my whole life was over. So I started doing the, you know, and I finally somehow, somehow, because fucking, fucking God, thank you, somehow got him off. And I fucking kicked this dude in his face. And through like, I was like a little like, you know, some people thought I actually hit him. His fucking face exploded bleeding. And he got up. And thank God, Oded was a bitch. And he cried and ran off.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Stop panicking, I saw the blood.

• 1:05:36Speaker 00

  It's the best fucking, I'm so glad I got to tell that story.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  They probably picked him up.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  Thank you so much for the platform. But, but, but the reason I tell that is like, that's just it. Oded can't run around and tell that story. That was it. I know you're trying to get me out here, but this Oded story is my life. I don't, I don't have, I don't have this, this is it. Y'all, nothing I will ever come, I'm gonna buy the Jets and win a Super Bowl? And it still was better to beat Oded at Markham Hill in 1986. Three and one. Three and one.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  One guess you wanna see on all the smoke?

• 1:06:06Speaker 00

  Ooh, that's good. Have, you haven't had Pat on.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  McAfee, we have.

• 1:06:10Speaker 00

  No, no, Ewing.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Oh, Ewing, no.

• 1:06:12Speaker 00

  That's the only Pat. I think Pat, with all the Knicks stuff going on right now, I think it's time, and he's a complicated dude. He's an, there you go. He's interesting.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  It's funny you said that.

• 1:06:22Speaker 00

  He's interesting.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  He came up to him at the Knicks game.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, said what's up, he was like, he liked what we doing, so.

• 1:06:28Speaker 00

  Listen to me on Pat. I know, I get it, don't worry. Respect. But I'm telling you, on the Pat thing, he's interesting.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  He'll give you that Jamaican fucking parents upbringing, Massachusetts, a lot of racism Pat went through with Georgetown. He went through it a different way, was really tight against players' union guy, the Jordan relationship. Like, Pat's interesting.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Very educated.

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  By the way, he might be very hard, the reason I wanna see it is, I don't know if you can get him to open like that, but if Pat ever opens. I think we can. Pat. I think we can. Pat.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  All right. Gee, appreciate you.

• 1:07:00Speaker 00

  Thank you. Thank you so much.

• 1:07:06Speaker 00

  Hey everybody, if you enjoyed this podcast, please go back and look at the prior episodes, they're loaded. I appreciate your attention and uh, thanks for being part of the.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

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• 1:07:43Speaker 00

  Journey, see you later.