Trump Wins, Why the Dems Failed, & America’s Future

00:00 Intro 1:13 Reactions to the Election 5:47 Was this a referendum on Liberal politics? 8:11 Is legacy media finished? Connections through podcasts 13:39 Talk to everyone, not a specific group 18:16 We will never know if Kamala was a good candidate 21:43 Kamala represented the establishment + Cheney blunder 28:04 Pete could win but only as a top + didn’t want the risk 30:33 Roe v Wade is 2nd Amendment for women 37:02 What do we hope for? Elon efficiency 51:21 Gonna end foreign wars? Project 2025? 3rd term? 1:02:28 We got Trump elected + we asked Kamala to come on 1:06:23 Hoping people calm down + do you trust JD Vance? 1:10:49 Rejection of Dems’ positioning + Celebrity moves nothing 1:15:50 Latinos turnout + Are jokes just jokes? 1:18:02 Tony’s joke didn’t make sense in New York 1:19:10 What does the media do? Same plays from before 1:23:14 Big Tech involvement is concerning 1:27:31 Young Thug’s FREE + Lil Wayne didn’t seem ready for Super Bowl 1:31:11 We want no problems with 50 Cent + TraxNYC self-promotion 1:39:00 We want Dr Umar + he needs to get PAID Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 2:00Speaker 04

  Matt Ga... Nail polish coming off. Al got like three more weeks of nail polish. Trump's America, nail polish is done. What are the new pronouns, Hot Cops? Tell them the new pronouns. M-A slash G-A. Matt Ga.

• 2:14Speaker 04

  That word is back. That word is back. Everything's back. When we walked in, Dove was singing. Maga, nagila maga, nagila maga, nagila maga. Listen, we've been very fair and unbiased about this election. Unlike some of us, Alex has been riding Kamala's fucking roti for the last three months. That's good. And Dove, why don't you just stand directly in front of all three cameras? More in the way? Why don't you just put the chablis down? I'll put it for a month. No, we know. We know you got E first. We know you got E first. What a surprise. Dove comes somewhere, he's not welcome and won't leave. Yeah. They get kicked out.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  It's 110.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  We call you the little hats and you're wearing the biggest hat possible. Why are you doing that?

• 3:04Speaker 04

  Okay, okay. In all seriousness, I want to have a conversation about-

• 3:08Mark Gagnon?

  You're not wearing your son Yamaka, bro?

• 3:09Speaker 04

  What? Send his back by. It's his lucky charm. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. But in all seriousness, guys, let's have a real conversation. Alex, what are you feeling? You know, what's going on in your mind? You know, how are you dealing with the information?

• 3:23Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, it's a great day, you know? Woke up to racist text messages and DMs and stuff.

• 3:28Speaker 04

  A lot of S's in that word for you, right?

• 3:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it was.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  What'd they say? In texts? Who racist texting? Yeah. That's bold.

• 3:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, just DMs, just DMs.

• 3:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, come on. Text messages is crazy. With the victim ideology, right?

• 3:40Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, but my group chat of all black guys, they gotta hit me with racist shit.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  And they happy, bro. They're happy.

• 3:46Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, they are.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 3:47Mark Gagnon?

  My friend's a bagger.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  I shouldn't have gone to you first. I knew you were gonna bring down the mood. Mark, tell me what the family celebration was like. What was the group chat doing?

• 3:56Speaker 05

  Group chat's divided. Group chat's divided.

• 3:58Speaker 04

  Why?

• 3:58Speaker 05

  And some people are like, hell yeah, Trump's president, let's fucking go. The other half is like, the corporations have taken over and Satan is now in charge. Cause ultimately, all politicians serve Satan. Okay? So there's no political discourse without Satan.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  Yo, Mark's mom is the shit. We gotta have, we should have had her on today. That would have been the best. Yeah. And just watch her just laser beam Dove for two hours on the podcast. Straight into his soul. You guys knew who was gonna win?

• 4:21Speaker 05

  Dove would convert. Dove would absolutely convert.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Okay, what are you feeling, Akash? Yo, uh, you know, I'm kinda smugly satisfied. Like, this what y'all get?

• 4:30Speaker 07

  I didn't want to come on Flagrant. You know what they told us? It was too big of a risk. It was too big of a risk for Kamala to come on. Okay, you fucking loser. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it's a kind of a risk to not doing any big podcasts.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  Bro, you know what? We told a little Chinese man once. He was running for, uh, running for mayor of New York City.

• 4:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  We say, yo, if you wanna, if you wanna be mayor, you gotta come on Flagrant. The only way that you could be mayor of New York City is if you come on Flagrant.

• 4:57Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 4:58Speaker 04

  Said it was too big of a risk.

• 5:00Speaker 07

  And now look at him. Where is he? Anybody heard his name for five years?

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Selling insurance in Wisconsin.

• 5:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, he has a nice podcast.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  Does he?

• 5:07Mark Gagnon?

  That records out of WJF Media Studios.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, with all due respect, he's great. Well, he's absolutely amazing. Are you sure it's him? It is over in Canal Street, so I don't want to.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  I just wanna make sure you're not being racist right now.

• 5:20Speaker 07

  He delivered my sushi.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  It is weird. It's weird. He collects rent from me at the end of the month.

• 5:25Speaker 07

  That is a peculiar relationship.

• 5:27Speaker 04

  Now, um,

• 5:30Speaker 04

  yeah, just, just, just a wild time. It's just, it's just a wild time. Okay. Let's, let's get, let's get into it. A lot of different conversations.

• 5:36Speaker 07

  Well, how are things in your, in your household?

• 5:38Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't tell y'all. Or maybe I did tell y'all. I tried to pull Larry David yesterday. Cause you know me, the idea of like going to vote is just seems like such an effort. Oh, my God. Then my address was in a different place. And I was like, I'm not going all the way up to that polling thing. So my wife.

• 5:53Mark Gagnon?

  Five blocks away?

• 5:54Speaker 04

  No, no, it was on the 58th.

• 5:55Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  Because business manager put the address, like a whole thing, whatever. Anyway, so I asked my wife, I'm like, yo, who you voting for? She goes, I'm voting for Kamala. You know, like, we have a daughter and I'm worried about her reproductive rights.

• 6:06Mark Gagnon?

  Let's go.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  And I was like, that's a good ass point.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  And then I also caught, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  I also calculated, I was like, probably got another couple of elections before the reproductive rights. I think we can fix that shit up. We got about two or three more before we're gonna need one of them.

• 6:28Speaker 07

  Two or three? Come on. Man, right? Five or six, hopefully.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  Nah, you're right. You're right. Why am I even saying?

• 6:33Speaker 07

  Eight to 12.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Time, what you worried about, man? Yeah, I was, cause how many years did I think Trump was gonna be there? Forever.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  You heard that, Shifty? MAGA.

• 6:45Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, that's right. There's no more elections.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  MAGA.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, we never have to vote again. How convenient is that?

• 6:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, no more elections, bro.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Anyway, so I asked my wife, I'm like, yo, uh, who are you voting for? She goes Kamala. And I'm like, alright, look, I, I, I'm gonna do a Larry David with you. So I'm gonna vote Trump, you're gonna vote Kamala. If neither of us vote, then we did vote.

• 7:06Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Right? Because they cancel each other out. This is Larry David, Curb Your Enthusiasm, episode. She goes, alright, that kind of makes sense. Then hits me up midway through the day, I went and voted. I said, this motherfucker.

• 7:17Speaker 04

  I said, this motherfucker is trying to get one over on me. I rolled right to the closest precinct. I said, yo, can I vote here even though I'm not signed up? And they were like, yeah, this is America. You don't even need an ID. You don't even need to speak English. You can walk in here with a Venezuelan flag and a gun and you can vote. So I walked in there and they were like, you could sign an affidavit or some other bullshit. And I just voted.

• 7:37Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah.

• 7:38Speaker 04

  Evened it out.

• 7:38Mark Gagnon?

  They take them shits and throw them right out.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  Trying to do extra work. Alright, so let's, let's get into this discussion real quick. Um, what do you think the real decision was that was made by the American public?

• 7:52Speaker 07

  Economy.

• 7:53Speaker 04

  You think it was a kind, in my estimation, this is what, I think it was a referendum on liberal politics. And leftist politics. I don't think it was Trump populism. I think a lot of people going, this is, Trump is this amazing populist and he was just so engaging and everybody just fucking loved him. No, I actually think, in the same way that people voted anti-Trump, let's say in 2020, I think people were voting anti-democratic leadership in 2024. And I think that's evident across the board. I mean, you saw your DA in California get knocked down. The Republicans flipped the Senate. The voter turnout is much higher. They win every, does he win every swing state?

• 8:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't know if she got a single one, dude.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  So like, to me, it's a rejection of the current state of liberal politics.

• 8:42Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  And the fact that those people... Felt concerns that were not met by Democrats on the campaign trail. They had no real answer for the the border. They just gaslit people about the border. They had no real answer for the economy. They've no real answer for anything.

• 8:58Speaker 07

  Nope.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  So I think it was one, a rejection of liberal politics. And then two, just like a truly like once in a lifetime awful candidate. I I don't think that you can. I don't think that you can. Uh, uh, just what is it?

• 9:11Speaker 07

  Discredit or?

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Not discredit, but discount. I don't think you can discount that.

• 9:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  Like, you need to have a star.

• 9:18Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Like, when I saw Obama on the campaign trail, I was like, holy shit, this guy's a fucking superstar. And then you see her like flopping around like a fish on, you know, on a boat. You know, it's like, it was just brutal, you know? So I think it was a rejection of leftist policies and leftist politics. Uh, along with just a truly horrible candidate.

• 9:39Speaker 07

  The other part of the politics, I think that people were fed up with was just the games Democrats play in the guise of democracy. And like, we're the ones who care about the people. We nobody elected Kamala, just like nobody wanted Hillary in 2016. You just, you're so here to have a woman president or whatever it is to whatever your reasoning is. This is the corporate person. Fuck actual democracy in action during the primaries. Let's put in the candidate we want. And then I think it's one of the worst campaigns. I think she could be a good candidate, but maybe the worst campaign I've ever seen.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  Is legacy media done?

• 10:08Speaker 07

  Legacy media is done.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  So I have, I have, I have theories on this. I think, okay, because you got to look at it two ways. Is legacy media done? Or was Kamala so bad that even with the influence of legacy media, they couldn't get it over the hump? For example, if Michelle was running or if Barack was running with legacy media in its current state. I think they might be able to still get it over the, that's, it's amazing.

• 10:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:34Speaker 04

  But so I don't think legacy media is completely done. But I do think that there is something very interesting that happened here. Legacy media still gets the eyeballs. It still gets the views and it still has cultural influence. Up until election night, we all thought that it was a close race.

• 10:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  That's legacy media. That is constantly pushing narratives that not only is it close, she might be ahead. Iowa's going to her. She's gonna flip all the states. It's gonna be an absolute mauling, right? That is legacy media pushing a narrative.

• 11:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  And people believing said narrative.

• 11:06Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Right? So, I mean, if you look at all the pollsters, they had her winning day F.

• 11:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  Like outside of like polymarket, which I don't even know if you can credit, cause it's just dudes gambling. It's like, there's no actual women represented on the fucking thing.

• 11:17Speaker 07

  Women are gambling, so I don't.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  So, so I, I, I look at this, I look at, I look at a, a, a legacy media and I'm like, okay. Now here's the difference. And I'm not just saying this because we're podcasters, but Trump went on podcasts. Did these long interviews. Kamala did some podcasts too. But most of them were short, very contrived interviews. It was very controlled. It was things edited out. It was, you know, it wasn't exactly the free form speech that we're kind of used to. Also specifically targeted to one demographic. Like you could tell in the last month that the campaign was like, we want black people to come out and vote. And we really aren't trying to reach out to anybody else.

• 11:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  And which is a huge, I think, problem for them because they just got lower all around turnout.

• 12:05Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 12:05Speaker 04

  And maybe if they spoke to more people, then more people could have been inspired. But here's the thing that happens. One thing that podcasting has done that's been really effective is built community and connection. Right? Like if you look at the biggest touring standup comedians in the world, right? It's, they all have podcasts where they've built this amazing community and connection. And like, we talk to people every single week. They know intimate details about our life. To me, what that's proven is that just because people are famous, doesn't mean you go out.

• 12:34Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 12:34Speaker 04

  Right?

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Connection is actually what makes people go out. There are comics on SNL that I don't know if they could sell out a weekend of of shows at a comedy club. You know, they're on the biggest comedy platform in the world. And then there are comics who have podcasts that can sell out arenas.

• 12:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  To me, the difference between new media and legacy media is connection.

• 12:57Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  The purpose of this podcast is to get people to invest in our lives and then be along for that journey, be it we go do stand-up shows, we go do some sort of live tour, some live activation, just be part of our lives. The purpose of legacy media is to sell depression pills. That is the purpose of the show.

• 13:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  They're creating the show so that they can sell those depression pills.

• 13:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  That's not to say we don't have ads. Of course we have ads. We didn't originally for months, a year when we started this. The purpose of this was to build a community and a connection. And I think that fatal flaw, her not going on to these podcasts, is that people weren't able to make that connection. And just as people come out to shows because they build that connection with us here, they came out to vote because he built that connection.

• 13:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  People leave the house. When they didn't have to leave the house to vote, they voted for Biden. They mailed it in. When they had to leave the house to go to a stand-up show or leave the house to vote, you better fucking, we talk about this all the time, it's an investment. Putting on fucking clothes, standing in line for a couple of hours.

• 14:00Speaker 07

  And we only mailed it in because we were locked inside for six months and we had nothing else to do.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 14:04Speaker 07

  I'm not mailing in if I can go outside and do things.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  Sure, sure.

• 14:06Speaker 07

  Because we could have mailed in this time, but we're not. I think the, when I say legacy media is done, I mean, they can still set a narrative, people still watch it, their influences, them being the most influential force in the world is done.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I don't know if, I don't, I wouldn't say done, I would just say that like, they don't have the connectivity.

• 14:21Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  And the great disruption with new media is the connectivity.

• 14:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  And before, and the reason why I create the analogy with comics is like, before there were comics that could sell out shows by being in a commercial. Like they're in a commercial for Pepsi and they could sell out a week of shows just because there are so few famous people.

• 14:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  Now, everybody is gone viral.

• 14:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  What type of connection do you have with your audience?

• 14:44Speaker 05

  I think legacy media just hits a different crop of voters. It's like with the advent of like TikTok is like, is Facebook done? It's like, well, I think Facebook just kind of hits like a different group of people in a different age bracket and a different geography. And I think legacy media effectively does the same thing. I think younger people are probably seeking connection more so. And that community specifically digitally is probably more valuable to younger people. Whereas like, I don't know, our parents are not listening to podcasts, but they'll probably tune into CNN or Fox or whatever, and they'll watch that and then get their information based off that. So I think mobilizing young people podcasts is the way to go.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 05

  And then as far as getting older people, I think you have to, I think you now are in a position where it's not pick one or the other, but you have to play both.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And she chose not to play one.

• 15:27Speaker 07

  Unbelievable.

• 15:27Speaker 05

  Well, she played it in a specific way that I think hurt her negatively.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  This is so dumb.

• 15:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 05

  Like Call Her Daddy, I don't think you can discount. Breakfast Club, I don't think you can discount. But I think in order to get all of them, you need to do all of them.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  Like they only did, outside of Call Her Daddy, it felt like they only did black podcasts. And to me, if I'm an American voter, it's, I'm almost like insulted by it. I'm like, hey, we're here too. Like, I know we don't live in fucking Wisconsin or Pennsylvania, but we also care about what you're gonna do for us. And if you're just talking about these things the month before the election, we might feel like you don't give a fuck about what's going on for us.

• 16:02Speaker 07

  The way I'm wired, if I'm a black voter, I'm sorry to interrupt, if I'm a black voter, I start to feel a little insulted.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  You feel pandered to?

• 16:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, like what do you do every, all you ever do is you're gonna go have a fucking town hall, you're gonna go do all the smoke. And I got, those are great platforms, but like, that's all you're gonna do is just sit here and talk to me like, this is the liberal thing where it's like, yo, you're not equal?

• 16:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:19Speaker 07

  You're, you're a little less than us, so let's just pander to you like you're a fucking moron and you'll buy into it because you're so fucking stupid and helpless as a minority.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:26Speaker 07

  Fuck you, suck my dick. Talk to America and I'll listen and I'll choose who I want.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 16:31Speaker 07

  Sorry, what were you gonna say?

• 16:32Mark Gagnon?

  Um, I think part of the reason Obama got elected was because he got a lot of the black people, the black vote out to actually vote. A large percentage of the black community do not go out and vote. So I think that was part of the strategy of targeting a particular group to try to get them as happy and energized to get out to actually vote like Obama did. I think using podcasts was a great strategy on both sides. This was the first election run that they ever did that. So it was like, it was hit or miss. What if, let's say Trump loses, people would have been like, ah, he wasted all that time going on podcasts instead of just going out and

• 17:09Speaker 07

  I don't think that.

• 17:10Mark Gagnon?

  Just talking to the people.

• 17:11Speaker 07

  No, no, no, no.

• 17:11Mark Gagnon?

  People could have said that.

• 17:13Speaker 07

  What do you think if Trump lost? I'll get to that, we'll go.

• 17:15Mark Gagnon?

  And so it's like Obama's amazing strategy was utilizing social media during his run. And that was never seen before. So I think it was just the fact that they tried new things and some worked, some didn't. And clearly Trump connected with people better than, come on.

• 17:31Speaker 07

  So if I can respond to that, sorry. I think this, if you watch sports, this is what always happens. If a team goes for it on fourth down and they make it, coach is a genius. If they don't, he's an idiot. It always hindsight influences everything. I think even if Trump lost, personally, I would have been like, no, he lost because of January 6th. He lost because of XYZ, all these other things that happened outside of the podcast world. If you just look at raw numbers of Joe Rogan and say, oh, 60 million views on YouTube alone for a guy who's still bigger on audio, just hitting that raw number of people. If you're like, no, you know what's going to win me the election? Let's go do a black podcast that gets one, one hundredth of that listener.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Charlamagne said to me, the number one podcast with black listenership and viewership in the world.

• 18:13Mark Gagnon?

  Is Joe Rogan.

• 18:13Speaker 04

  Is Joe Rogan. So you chose not to go on the biggest podcast for black people in the world. Like, that is a huge choice. And while doing that, you could have also hit. All these other people as well. To me, the strategy is they weren't ready for the pushback and they want to go on platforms that were going to be more comfortable, you know, with their control in their hands. Life Tour, last few dates, Reno, we had a second show. San Jose, Portland, you guys are all sold out. Thank you so much. New York City, I love you all, man. All four shows sold out. And then Honolulu, that is the final day. Go grab those tickets Honolulu. Some seats left for that. Those are the last shows of the Life Tour. We love you all. We appreciate you all. We'll see you out there. DeAndreShaw.com. Peace.

• 18:54Speaker 07

  Also, guys, shows real quick. First of all, London, I'm coming through next week. Maybe we do a little pop up. Maybe we don't. I don't know. I'm gonna be giving a speech at Oxford. Who would have fucking thought? Anyway, November 22nd and 23rd, I'm gonna be in Rochester at the Carlson. December 4th, I told you guys these tickets are gonna sell out. We're almost sold out for my shows at Governors in Levittown. I am a hero in Long Island now. Before, they didn't like me. Now, they love me. I wonder why? Maybe because I got their president elected. Anyway, December 6th and 7th, I'm gonna be in Albany, New York. I think those are my last dates for the year, but get those tickets. And we're gonna start announcing 2025 dates soon. Akash Singh.com. Let's get back to the show.

• 19:28Speaker 05

  Pottstown, PA, this Friday, November 8th, I'm gonna be at Soul Joel's.

• 19:33Speaker 07

  Do it again without looking at your phone.

• 19:34Speaker 05

  I just had to double check.

• 19:36Speaker 07

  It's November 8th.

• 19:37Speaker 05

  November 8th.

• 19:38Speaker 07

  It's November 8th. Here, let me just do it.

• 19:39Speaker 05

  But then Stanford, Connecticut.

• 19:40Speaker 07

  Do it again. Do it again. Let's do it again.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  Pottstown, PA, this Friday, November 8th, I'm gonna be at Soul Joel's. This Wednesday, Stanford, Connecticut. I'm gonna be at New York Comedy Club. I can't wait to see you guys there.

• 19:50Speaker 07

  Is that it? Is that all we got?

• 19:52Speaker 05

  World's fastest ad read. You didn't say New York's Comedy Club.

• 19:55Speaker 07

  This can be your head right there, ladies.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  You didn't say Stanford, Connecticut. I wanna make it fast. That way people go. No, but they're gonna think that it's New York.

• 20:01Speaker 07

  Ladies, right here.

• 20:02Speaker 05

  No, Stanford, Connecticut, New York.

• 20:04Speaker 07

  Your face.

• 20:05Speaker 05

  One more time.

• 20:06Speaker 07

  Right here. Four guys.

• 20:07Speaker 05

  If it's too long, people are gonna skip. Hypotheticalistic, Kamala does go on Rogan, goes on Lex, goes on Theo. Does she win? I don't think so. I think fundamentally, the strategy of her campaign was flawed from the get-go. And I think Biden largely, like, kiboshed her odds by just pulling out so late. Yes. That like, even if she had done these things, I think it absolutely would have helped. But I don't think it would have won her the election.

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it would have won her the election if she was good.

• 20:33Mark Gagnon?

  Well, yeah.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  And the the reality is, is like, we'll never know if she was good because we were never given her.

• 20:38Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  And the the most real you've ever seen her is when she and Charlamagne were sitting, were sitting down. And I was like, Charlamagne, don't have any callers call in, don't, I said, I'm a brilliant idiot. I was like, you just need to talk to this woman for three fucking hours. That is the closest that we've seen her to being a real person and not just a politician. Talk to her. That is the way that America can get to know her. America doesn't know her. They've seen her flip flop on every single issue, which is okay. I'm okay if politicians change their mind. I'm totally okay with that. But give me an explanation as to why. They've seen her gaslight about the border. They haven't answered a single fucking question about the border correctly, or with any amount of confidence that made the American people believe that they were going to do something different. Like, there are real issues that they didn't touch on.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  And I feel like Charlamagne could be, I'm biased, but I think he could have been the guy to actually push her, push her to answer those questions.

• 21:30Mark Gagnon?

  But like Mark said, I think Biden dropping out so late fucked her up.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  Right on.

• 21:36Mark Gagnon?

  She didn't have enough time to prepare.

• 21:38Speaker 07

  She don't win a primary. I don't think if Biden doesn't run again and they have a primary, she don't win the primary.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Bro, let's, we just gotta call it where it is.

• 21:44Mark Gagnon?

  Do you think it would have been different? Do you think it would have been different?

• 21:47Speaker 04

  I don't think she's good.

• 21:48Mark Gagnon?

  If she had more time to prepare for this run.

• 21:50Speaker 07

  No, I truly don't.

• 21:51Mark Gagnon?

  I disagree.

• 21:52Speaker 07

  I truly don't.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  Here's the reality.

• 21:53Mark Gagnon?

  Because the things you're complaining about is like, oh, hey, we didn't hear enough from her.

• 21:56Speaker 07

  No, no, no.

• 21:57Mark Gagnon?

  Hey, if you had more time to hear enough from her.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  That's all it is. It's like, the horse ain't fast. Like, she's not a Ferrari, bro.

• 22:04Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm not disagreeing with that.

• 22:06Speaker 04

  When I'm, when I'm real quick. So, so it's like, it, it, so far what we saw, she had plenty of opportunities to win us over. It's not like she didn't have every single podcast that she could have gone. It's not like she, she didn't go on one podcast that people said, yeah, you gotta listen to this shit, it's kind of fire. No matter what she went on, people were like, this shit sucks. Right? The only thing that she did that was pretty good was the Brett Byer thing on Fox.

• 22:27Mark Gagnon?

  I think the call of daddy.

• 22:28Speaker 07

  I like the call of daddy, to be honest. I thought in moment, I'm not, I wasn't like completely floored or whatever, but there were moments where I was like, that was really thoughtful and it was a unique way of answering question, that question that didn't sound like a robot was answering it.

• 22:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 07

  And that was, maybe I was looking for very little, I saw that. To your point, I would say not having time, you had ample opportunity to do Joe Rogan and said, oh, you need to come to me and I only give you an hour. And then these fucking liberal idiots were like, why won't Joe do that? Joe is Oprah, this day and age. If George W. Bush is running in 2000 and says, I want to be president, Oprah, but I'm not coming to Chicago. You come to Texas and I give you 20 minutes. Oprah says, suck my dick, motherfucker, I'm not doing that. And we all got it. Joe got it. You want to be president, you, don't talk about 90 days, what, you had, you needed a day, three hours, go do Rogan. You were campaigning right next door, go do Rogan.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

• 23:16Mark Gagnon?

  I hear what you're saying, bro, but.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  It's, it's fun.

• 23:19Mark Gagnon?

  It's still something new.

• 23:19Speaker 07

  We can't cop, we can't cop please.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  Well, that's what people are gonna do, because they, they don't want to acknowledge like what just happened, that they don't want to acknowledge the reality. It's gonna, there's gonna be some people that I think will move on from this and be like, hey, the Democratic Party did not address the needs of the people. That's why the people overwhelmingly rejected them. And hopefully, the people that are thinking that are the people in control of Democratic Party. Because I don't think anything would make us happier. Think about this right now, like, everybody's looking at Trump, right? As if he's like this big, bad Republican. Who is surrounding Trump right now? Tell me his team.

• 23:52Speaker 07

  Elon.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Democrat. RFK is a, was a lifelong.

• 23:56Speaker 07

  Democrat.

• 23:57Speaker 04

  Who else?

• 23:57Mark Gagnon?

  Tulsi.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  Democrat. Who else? Vivek. Democrat. Who else?

• 24:04Speaker 07

  I don't know if Vivek was a Democrat, but great point.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  I thought he was a lifelong Democrat.

• 24:07Speaker 07

  Not that I know of.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Okay. But either way, my point is, my point, and who has got Kamala's back? Who is Cheney?

• 24:16Speaker 07

  Oh my God.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Say, get the fuck out of here. My point is, you have.

• 24:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, Obama, Michelle.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  I mean, Obama and Michelle is, is a different thing. They are the institution of the Democratic Party.

• 24:27Mark Gagnon?

  Did vote for Obama, he admitted. And he was a libertarian, but, but.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  My, the point that I'm trying to make is that, like, She is, she is the representative of the institution and the institution wasn't meeting the demands of the people. The, I mean, the Democrats haven't won an election in the last 20 years that wasn't Obama or Obama's VP. Think about that. Like, we're really just voting for Obama and she was too derivative. That's how much we love Obama. We're like, if you're close enough to Obama, we'll vote for you. Hillary, you weren't close enough. Matter of fact, I think you went after him a little bit. So we remember that shit. So I, I just don't think Democrats met the people. And the reality is, those people that are surrounding Trump right now are these homeless Democrats, these lifelong Democrats, like many of us, lifelong Democrats that feel like

• 25:16Speaker 04

  the party has left us. Yeah. Those are the people, I mean, look at it, it's like a perfect metaphor for what's happening right now in America. Those people right there going, alright, I'm gonna ride with this guy because he at least sees what's happening and he sees that the left has gone too far. And you know what? They went there and they were called pariahs, they're called assholes, they're called every name under the book. And the rest of America, the majority went, now we feel that way too.

• 25:39Speaker 05

  The Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney endorsement, like the fact that she touted it was such a strategic error.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  Nuclear bomb.

• 25:45Speaker 05

  I don't understand why.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  The name Cheney.

• 25:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  I mean, is, I don't know if there's a worse name in politics.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  I saw an interesting tweet, when he left as VP, he had like a 16% approval rating, which is the same as Nixon. And this would be the equivalent of like Clinton running, being like, oh, I got Nixon's endorsement, guys, you should vote for me. It's like, it's crazy.

• 26:05Speaker 07

  And then Dave Smith posted a clip, and this is just again, legacy media and like us not believing it, a clip of Whoopi saying to Liz Cheney on The View, you should be Attorney General. I just think you're awesome. And we're like, what the fuck is, people are seeing like, this is insane, right? Watching legacy media say Liz Cheney should, hey, let's put another Cheney in a high position because we trust him.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  So, yeah. So let's look back at this. This is a kind of interesting thing. Obviously, we witnessed something pretty, pretty profound that's happening. Whether you like it or not, I hope we're all in this position right now where we want it to work out. Yeah. You know, there was a great moment when Chappelle was doing SNL. Yeah. I think after Trump won the first time. And he was like, I'm rooting for you and I hope it works out. And it was this beautiful moment. Yeah, I hope you give us the same chance I'm giving you. Yeah. It was a beautiful, it was like, it was really, it was so mature. Yeah. It's so easy to be like angry and come up with excuses and all this, and none of that's gonna stop what's going on. Yeah. Right now, we gotta hope that the best years of America are in front of us.

• 27:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 04

  And I hope that this is the golden age, once again, of America. Like, I don't think anything would make Americans happier if this wasn't the next golden age that we walked right into. Right now, coming up into this election, I think we can all agree that we're in an all-time low confidence in the institutions in America, right?

• 27:28Speaker 07

  In our lifetime, for sure.

• 27:30Mark Gagnon?

  I think that's why she lost. And I think the biggest reason why she lost is she didn't do a good enough job of showing that she will be changed.

• 27:38Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:40Mark Gagnon?

  She didn't.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  I think you're right.

• 27:41Mark Gagnon?

  That's the biggest.

• 27:41Speaker 07

  She actually said I wouldn't have done anything differently.

• 27:43Mark Gagnon?

  People aren't happy, and she's more of this.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. People wanted a change president.

• 27:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 05

  And they said, would you have done anything different than Biden? She goes, no.

• 27:50Mark Gagnon?

  That's the biggest reason.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  What are we doing?

• 27:52Mark Gagnon?

  That lost her.

• 27:52Speaker 05

  And I think the economic element of that, I don't think can be understated.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  Which is, the change that you want to experience is an economic one.

• 28:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  And she's basically saying, I don't think he did anything wrong.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  You're sitting at home going, I can't afford food.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  I think more than the social issues, personally. Like, maybe those things factor in, but I do think the idea of people being like, fuck, bread is this expensive, fuck it, I gotta buy eggs and gas.

• 28:14Mark Gagnon?

  Whether it's bread, whether it's migrants, whether it's reproductive rights, like, anything bad that happened in the last four, if you don't distance yourself away from that, what that person is mad about, you're the reason for it.

• 28:25Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I saw an interesting analysis of, like, Obama's election ads, like, the ones that he paid for and Kamala's, and they did an analysis between them, and the majority of his were economic. It's like, hey, we're gonna fix this, he's coming out of the recession, and then even with his second term, the economy's not fixed perfectly, but he's like, look, we need to change this. They showed Gretchen Whitmer, when she was running, that she was like, look, inflation is crazy, da-da-da-da-da. And then while Kamala's running, like, there's all these pieces done by these Democratic political writers, being like, guys, the economy's actually great. And they're, like, gaslighting the general public and being like, guys, whatever you're feeling is actually not true. And whether or not things actually are on the numbers, people feel like it's not.

• 29:00Speaker 07

  You have to address their feeling.

• 29:02Speaker 05

  And they neglect the feeling, and as a result, it doesn't matter what it actually is, it's how people feel. And people in the middle of the country that feel like, oh, this shit is not going well, inflation's going crazy, the fact that she neglected that. Then was going hard and they even did like political polling in like Pennsylvania being like going at Democrats. I mean, okay, which one of these campaign slogans resonates the most with you? It was economic policies resonating the most and then Trump being a threat to democracy resonating the least. And then looking at Kamala's campaign things, it was like 30% was Trump is a threat to democracy. 30% is like abortion and social issues and then like a tiny little fraction, like 5 to 10% was economic. Yeah. And so she didn't distance herself from the current economic system. And then kind of went too wide with all these other issues.

• 29:44Speaker 05

  Whereas Trump is just like, hey, we'll fix the economy. I'm a business guy, da, da, da, da. I think Trump is generally beatable from a lot of other Democratic candidates. I think they could have run people. I don't think he's like an unbeatable guy. I mean, Biden beat him.

• 29:56Speaker 07

  I think Pete would have killed him.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  And so with that being said, like they just ran a bad person too late with a bad strategy.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm trying to think. I don't know who beats him, honestly. I think Pete is incredibly astute and charming and eloquent. There is a pathway to him becoming president and he just has to say that he's the top. I know it sounds crazy, but I know it sounds crazy, but if he-

• 30:19Speaker 07

  Al said this before.

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Is he not gay for the top? Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 30:22Speaker 07

  He might have said on Patreon, he's not gay for the top.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  Well, I think America would be like, yeah, all right, whatever.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  I genuinely, but the idea that like he's getting bent over with his back arched and his boyfriend is like having his fingers in his mouth and pulling him like.

• 30:36Speaker 05

  Oh dude, what are you thinking about this so bad?

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what you guys are gonna be thinking about in the booth.

• 30:42Speaker 05

  What the?

• 30:42Speaker 04

  When you're filling out your affidavits, that's what's gonna be.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  And you kind of lean over to vote too. Like you're kind of bent over a little.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  He's just over your shoulder.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, ugh.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  So if he's a top, I think he could definitely win and it sucks. Isn't that a shame?

• 30:54Speaker 07

  But he could be the top. There's a 50% chance, really.

• 30:57Speaker 04

  And honestly, I don't know if Trump could beat a man.

• 31:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's true.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  So far, he's only beaten women.

• 31:02Speaker 05

  But he beats the fuck out of women.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Yo, he destroys women, dude. Yo, no woman ever run against fucking Trump, man.

• 31:10Speaker 07

  Yo, I was thinking this because people were saying like, it's just sad that people don't care about women's rights and blah, blah, blah. I think when you go into the voting booth, if you've got kids and you are hurting financially, it's like, hey, man, all that shit sucks, but this is kill. I need to feed my kids and that's all that's gonna matter. I do still think. So many of this could have, so much of this could have been fixed campaign wise. Like, instead of saying, hey, I wouldn't have distanced anything from Biden. You know what? We definitely didn't do anything perfect. You want to sell him out? Great. Well, you know, Biden and I did everything together. We're a team.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  Sells his ass out.

• 31:39Speaker 07

  We made some mistakes.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  Sell his ass out.

• 31:41Mark Gagnon?

  He wouldn't even know you were selling him out.

• 31:43Speaker 07

  This is also funny that we talk-

• 31:44Speaker 05

  Biden called me the N-word. That's what I would say. On day one. I'd be like, this guy's a racist motherfucker. Get him out of here.

• 31:49Mark Gagnon?

  It's about the win.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  I'd vote for Biden again.

• 31:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I thought we were voting for Biden. I'm gonna let him run again.

• 31:53Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 31:54Mark Gagnon?

  Let him walk up the stairs.

• 31:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, honestly, we talk about this strategy as if there's not, like, it's one person making the decision. There's hundreds of billions of dollars behind, behind each of these decisions. So for y'all to fuck up this hard is insane to me. For you to not understand the, the reach of podcasts, you're not just Kamala Harris.

• 32:11Speaker 04

  They understood it. They didn't want the risk. That's what I think it is. And I, they didn't want her to be exposed.

• 32:15Mark Gagnon?

  Higher risk, higher reward, bro.

• 32:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's, that's what you do.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  But Trump's not worried, but Trump's not worried about it. But you know what I mean? Like, he's like, I can handle this. I'm used to people saying the worst possible thing about me for the last fucking eight years. It doesn't even matter. So whereas Kamala, they basically, they had to protect her a little bit. You know? Is what it is.

• 32:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  Um, okay, so moving forward.

• 32:34Mark Gagnon?

  You asked in the group chat, what day was it? Like, I think Sunday or Monday? Like, who you thought would win? And I was, I think I was the only one that thought Trump. Because I just felt the climate. Like, I've never seen this much excitement for Trump.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  You wore your red hat today? Respect.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Fuck you. Respect that.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Come on, bro. That's a sick red hat.

• 32:50Speaker 07

  You did wear the red hat.

• 32:51Mark Gagnon?

  I'm about unity, guys.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Now, here's the thing. We're on the road every weekend for shows. I, I did tell you guys.

• 33:01Speaker 05

  Don't, don't do this.

• 33:02Mark Gagnon?

  Don't do this.

• 33:03Speaker 05

  Seriously. Don't do this.

• 33:05Speaker 07

  Oh, my God.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  I told you guys, I go, I go, it's gonna be a mauling. There's no way that he loses this.

• 33:12Speaker 05

  How did you say that?

• 33:12Speaker 04

  I cut, now let me tell you real quick. I'm on the road every weekend for shows.

• 33:16Speaker 07

  You don't have to read the texts.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  I come back and I go, I go, I think it's gonna be a mauling. I don't see how he could win. The energy.

• 33:22Speaker 07

  Were you on the road this weekend?

• 33:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 33:24Speaker 07

  Where were you performing?

• 33:25Speaker 04

  I was in the city the night before. And I foolishly decided to ask some audience members who they were voting for and why.

• 33:32Speaker 07

  Which audience members?

• 33:33Speaker 04

  Some women, uh, spoke back. Weird. And they-

• 33:39Speaker 07

  Not anymore.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, those days are done. Um, but, so basically, they spoke back and, you know, it seemed like they were really, uh, perturbed about the, uh, Roe v. Wade ruling.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  What was that?

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Perturf? No, that was the abortion thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, and here's the reality, if we just want to talk about it.

• 34:03Speaker 07

  Talk about it.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 34:06Speaker 04

  These women, man, they...

• 34:12Speaker 04

  Can I be honest with you?

• 34:14Speaker 07

  Please.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  Can I be honest? No, no, it's not even that crazy thing. I think that there are women who will never get an abortion in their life that still don't like the idea that something was taken away from them. And, uh, abortion is like their guns.

• 34:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 34:33Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? It's just like, we were allowed to do it, and now we're not allowed to.

• 34:37Speaker 07

  Abortion is their guns is actually a fire point.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  It's their guns.

• 34:39Speaker 07

  It's actually a fire point.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  Thank you!

• 34:41Speaker 07

  You thought Kamala was gonna win because you asked a comedy audience in New York City who they were gonna vote for. They said Kamala, and you were like, wow! This is America!

• 34:51Speaker 04

  I didn't think she was gonna win.

• 34:52Speaker 07

  The Comedy Cellar Saturday Night Live!

• 34:56Speaker 04

  It was a Monday.

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Let me tell you something.

• 35:00Speaker 07

  You should get a job on Kamala's team, dude.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  Let me tell you something. This is why, this is what I realized. I don't talk to women, okay? I have a wife. I talk to her. When I'm done talking to her, I'm not trying to hear these bitches. You know what I mean? So I got all my talking right there, okay? She didn't talk to me enough about this Roe v. Wade thing. You know, I didn't get a... I didn't get enough Roe v. Wade information for her. You know, she's busy trying to book a trip to Paris. That don't seem very Roe v. Wade. Does it?

• 35:34Speaker 07

  Busy having a baby.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? You know what I mean? We're holding this beautiful child.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  If she got pregnant again, it's a blessing. It's a blessing, okay? Akas, why are you looking? You don't even know what happened with Roe v. Wade.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  You don't even know what happened with Roe v. Wade. Do you know what? Would you want to know what ended up happening?

• 35:58Speaker 07

  I do want to know.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  Do you want to know what ended up happening?

• 36:00Speaker 07

  Please tell me, please. I'm dying to know. I have no idea anything happened.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Do you think that she had the baby or not?

• 36:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think she did have the baby.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, all this hoopla for nothing. All this hoopla for nothing!

• 36:15Speaker 07

  Hey, what ever happened to that baby? Did we ever find out?

• 36:18Speaker 04

  His name is Donald J. Trump.

• 36:21Speaker 05

  What an origin story. What a fucking origin story. The boy who lives. The boy who lives. Nah, nah, uh, she ended up having a baby. Right? Yeah, I think so. I gotta double check, but I'm pretty sure. Row or wait? Oh, yeah, there you go. So, uh. Talk that shit. The woman had the baby in 1970, but she wanted an abortion. But she was forced to have the child. We need to talk up to this kid. I mean, imagine the trauma.

• 36:46Speaker 07

  She was born in Dallas, yo.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  Of course she was.

• 36:49Speaker 07

  Hey, we didn't want that shit to happen.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  What do you mean?

• 36:51Speaker 07

  Texas is a very anti-abortion place.

• 36:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you are a very getting nutted in place.

• 36:59Speaker 05

  Girls in Texas like to get combed in.

• 37:00Speaker 07

  Is that a thing?

• 37:01Speaker 05

  Dude, everybody knows that. This is one of the things that we would talk about. Amongst comedians on the road. We were like, yo, you gotta be careful about Texas. These girls like it and combed in a lot.

• 37:12Speaker 07

  Because there's so many illegals.

• 37:13Speaker 05

  I don't know if it's the illegals. I truly don't know the reason, but maybe it's something to do with the weather or the food even, but they love. They love that closeness. They love that proximity. And they love the jizz.

• 37:26Speaker 05

  Apparently she's living in, uh, New Mexico, I think. Yeah. Yeah, they asked her in 2021. She said, I'm neither pro-choice nor pro-life. The daughter?

• 37:35Speaker 05

  I didn't know that was an option to be.

• 37:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, that seems like a crazy option.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  I mean, if you're the daughter, you, you gotta be like. Phew. Right? Like, you gotta be like a little anti-abortion. She grew up not knowing that she was the baby until her birth mother appeared on the Today Show and eating nut. Oh, what an asshole the birth mom is.

• 37:52Mark Gagnon?

  Unless her life is shit and she's like, eh, I could have lived without this shit.

• 37:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's what it seems like. That's what it seems like.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  That's heartbreaking.

• 37:59Speaker 07

  Son, how'd she find out her mom went on a talk show? Didn't tell her?

• 38:02Speaker 05

  Bro, imagine she committed suicide.

• 38:05Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, man.

• 38:06Speaker 05

  Imagine she committed suicide. Put the suicide prevention. The latest term ever. Mom shows up like, I could have done this shit for you. The fuck? Bro, did you hear about the woman that went in that suicide chamber? Did you hear about? This is like, they have like the euthanasia chambers and some girl went into it, like did the first successful euthanasia. And then they looked at the body. There's like strangle marks on her neck apparently.

• 38:29Mark Gagnon?

  In that pod in the woods?

• 38:30Speaker 04

  What?

• 38:31Speaker 05

  He ever just has someone else in there that just strangles the life out of you?

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Chokes you out?

• 38:35Speaker 05

  That's fucking disgusting. But now they're looking into it, they think it might be foul play, that someone killed someone and put him in there, they're like, no, he should kill himself. Ah, that makes a lot more sense. I don't know all the details. That makes a lot more sense than you go to a pod and the guy walks out and jokes. Yeah, yeah, it's more like DIY, it's more like a DIY euthanasia chamber.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  Mark, this is terrifying, not in Trump's America.

• 38:53Speaker 05

  Not in Trump's America we'd have this kind of stuff.

• 38:55Speaker 07

  So what are we, what are we getting? Cause I do think we swung, we were the beginning.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  American golden age.

• 38:59Speaker 07

  No, I mean, what are we getting?

• 39:00Speaker 04

  The American golden age.

• 39:01Speaker 07

  We're at the tipping point, I believe this.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Before we get into that, can we just talk about like what we hope to see the next four years in America, right? What we would like in an ideal world? They put Roe v. Wade back on, turn that back on, flip that one.

• 39:17Speaker 07

  He's, he gets to replace two Supreme Court justices, probably. He might pick two people that are low key pro, pro-choice.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 39:24Speaker 07

  Cause I, I don't think he was pro, I think he just wanted to win the election.

• 39:26Speaker 05

  You don't give a fuck about abortion. Are we banging on these people dying?

• 39:30Speaker 07

  I think two might retire just because, let me, this is what the Democrats didn't do. Let me just get out now in case I die and there's a Democrat in office and then we could lose our seats. Democrats are selfish, corrupt fucks and they're, Ruth B, LBG was like, I'll just die and fuck women in the future. But I think two, the conservative ones might be like, let's just get out while they're getting as good. And he can appoint two conservative, uh, people in my place.

• 39:51Speaker 05

  I understand.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  So, but he's still gotta get them past the senate and the senate is...

• 39:54Mark Gagnon?

  And they will step down unless they know who he's putting in place and they have to be.

• 39:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Okay, but basically I think the smart move would be to protect Roe v. Wade.

• 40:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  And make an effort to protect it and don't do this thing where you're just like, well, I'm gonna let the states decide. No, federally protect it. I think that's what the majority of Americans would want right now.

• 40:13Mark Gagnon?

  What makes you think he's gonna do that?

• 40:15Speaker 04

  I said, I said wishful thinking.

• 40:18Speaker 07

  He's just wishful thinking here.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, when they said they're gonna take inflation down, we go, I hope, you know what I mean?

• 40:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  None of them know how to do it.

• 40:25Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  But like, this is what you would hope would happen.

• 40:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, like someone wins president in eighth grade, you're like, I'm gonna make the soda and the water fountain.

• 40:31Mark Gagnon?

  School is free, alright, so reparations, got it.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  Yes, that's not happening.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  Can we do reparations for all disenfranchised people?

• 40:38Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 40:38Speaker 05

  Why?

• 40:39Mark Gagnon?

  No, us first.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  Let's do gay reparations first.

• 40:41Speaker 07

  Gay reparations?

• 40:42Speaker 05

  They got the most money anyway. No, gay reparations, bro. Nah, I'm all, I am out. I think about all the gay people that we're swimming against, bro. Think about all the Broadway shows that didn't happen that they could have got paid for? That's what I'm saying, bro. Let's do gay reparations, let's do black reparations.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  Alright guys, listen. Probably at some point in this episode, I'm not exactly sure when, we talked about the election and how Trump waxed that ass.

• 41:03Speaker 07

  You could have bet on it.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Could have bet on it. You could have went with steak. You could have bet, you could have put your money where your mouth was.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, in the mouth.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Did I do it? Did I bet on it?

• 41:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  No, I didn't.

• 41:13Speaker 07

  No, you fucked up.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  I fucked up.

• 41:15Speaker 07

  Cause you knew, based on your shows at the Comedy Cellar, how things are gonna go.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  You're a hundred percent right about that. But the point is, you can bet on really almost anything. I mean, steak is the leader in global betting and US social casinos.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  Really?

• 41:30Speaker 04

  I don't even know what a US social casino is. Do you know what it is?

• 41:35Speaker 05

  I don't know. Do you know what it is? Gamble your friendship.

• 41:38Speaker 07

  It's a legal casino, is what it is.

• 41:40Speaker 04

  Is that really what it is? We need to get to the bottom of that immediately, Jamil. I don't think that people really know what a US social casino is.

• 41:47Speaker 07

  Why don't they find out? At steak.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Shit.

• 41:50Speaker 07

  Steak.com.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  Steak.com. Listen, if you use the promo code FLAGRANT, you're gonna get a welcome bonus.

• 41:55Speaker 07

  Welcome.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Shit. That shit is almost as nice as a gift basket.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  But I'm serious. There's there are things that we could be gambling on. Will the Democrats storm the Capitol?

• 42:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 42:15Mark Gagnon?

  Please.

• 42:15Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Will they do it?

• 42:17Speaker 05

  Pussy hats, blue hair. Busting down the doors.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  January 6th.

• 42:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Who wants to get hit in the head with this sheet?

• 42:25Speaker 04

  Alright, alright, alright. Listen, we gotta get back to the show, but listen, let's all hang out at the social casino later. Let's get back to the show, man. Okay, no, in all seriousness, what do we hope happens? There's been talk about Elon getting involved and, you know, what is it, the Agency of Efficiency, right? And they're cutting a lot of the, the bloat in government.

• 42:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Do we think that that is a good idea? What would that look like?

• 42:48Speaker 07

  It's a great idea. If anything gets done on that front, it'd be a win. But I think it's gonna be hard to get a single thing done on that front.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  I think the problem is with like a lot of these organizations is a government organization will come up, and they'll come up and In support of fixing a real problem. Yep. Let's say that problem is cats getting in trees. Right? And they, that agency, you know, lobbies to get some laws passed to make trees, you know, make the trees all be covered in, you know, steel so the cats can't climb them or whatever. All the trees are covered in steel, cats can't climb the trees, we've solved the problem. Okay? I like it, I like. I'm trying to speak to real American people here. Cook, cook, brother.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  You fucking liberal cocks, coastal elites, laughing at my metaphor, that actually taps into the heartstrings of the good old American people. Okay, thank you, Al, I understand it. 2025, the cats in the trees. Okay? You wrap the steel around the trees, alright, especially the willows and the oaks. And, and when the willows and oaks are completely wrapped, the cats cannot climb up them. Why didn't you just go with homelessness? It's too real for people. It's too real for people. It's like a lot shorter. It's too painful. It's just like a few syllables, it's not a whole sentence. Anyway, I think I've got a great solution to catching trees, by the way, and nobody's talking about it. I think I owe a little bit of credit for this, okay?

• 44:13Speaker 04

  Think about how many people lose their cat in a fucking tree and they just gotta sit there until it runs out of energy and falls down.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  They solve homelessness, and then. You know what? Fuck America. No, no, no, no, no, dude, come on. So, they, they solved the problem. Now, do all those people that work at the cats in the trees problem agency, do they immediately retire after they come up with a genius solution? This genius solution to wrap steel around the trees? No, Kipper's still got a purpose. Kipper's got a purpose, so what do they do? Trans rights.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  See, y'all just let me cook, I get there always, Al believes in me. I saw, I saw. I knew. I saw the vision, so. Y'all, let me cook, I get there. Chef Boyardee salty in the motherfucking building. Yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  But, uh, okay, so the point is, so they find another cause, and the causes get more and more extreme, and they get more and more ridiculous, but I, I have empathy for these people, right? These people are working, they solved the job, and they're like, "Well, I'm not gonna fucking retire and go find another job, this is where I work." Some of these organizations, I'm sure, are doing things that are, uh, in the level of necessity, very similar to Kipper. Mm-hmm. And they can fucking get snipped.

• 45:31Speaker 05

  Absolutely. Certainly there's waste of the institutions, and you just hope that they're able to strategically and surgically cut out the waste and the blow without making the correction.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  But when you say it like that, nobody understands. Yes. When you say it like me, they're like, "Yo, we gotta fucking wrap steel around trees because cats are getting stuck up their organization, get rid of it!"

• 45:47Mark Gagnon?

  As much as a genius as Elon is, does he do it strategically? Because he went into Twitter, cut like seventy to eighty percent of the staff.

• 45:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:57Mark Gagnon?

  And Twitter's still down like eighty percent of its value since he's taken over.

• 46:00Speaker 07

  But yeah, but that's perception based, and I'm okay with cutting a lot of government jobs. Like Vivek said, you cut a little muscle, that's all right with me. You save a lot of fucking money.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  What is that famous saying? Cut my life into pieces. This is my life in full.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  Suffocation.

• 46:13Speaker 04

  No breathing. Fuckers, I tell you.

• 46:16Speaker 05

  Shout out.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 46:18Mark Gagnon?

  Honestly, a great counterpoint.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, sad guru said that. So, I think, I think...

• 46:25Speaker 05

  Why is he so sad?

• 46:27Speaker 04

  It is a little bit obnoxious.

• 46:29Speaker 07

  You're not doing your job if you're a sad guru. You're, you should be enlightened.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  Talk that shit, mud.

• 46:34Speaker 07

  That's the whole point, you know what I mean?

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Talk that shit, mud.

• 46:37Speaker 07

  I'm only gonna shut it in Trump's America. I'm gonna put up with it if Kamala won. If mud had won?

• 46:42Speaker 04

  If mud won?

• 46:43Speaker 07

  If mud is had won?

• 46:44Speaker 04

  If mud beat paper? Yes, we would be fucked!

• 46:48Speaker 05

  That's a sick name for the gang, bro. Dude, muds and crips, that's what it's all about, you know what I'm saying?

• 46:53Speaker 04

  Dude, the muds and the crips?

• 46:54Speaker 07

  I kinda like it.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  That is kinda cool. All right. In all seriousness, what do we expect for America? Jesus.

• 47:05Speaker 07

  I can say it now!

• 47:06Speaker 04

  Why?

• 47:07Speaker 07

  Trump won!

• 47:08Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 47:09Speaker 07

  We back!

• 47:10Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 47:15Mark Gagnon?

  One more time, let's see if you can think of some more.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  Nah, but I got nothing.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  What else can we expect for America? Obviously abortion's gonna come back.

• 47:31Speaker 07

  Yep, you've been right about every abortion day you've had.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  When abortion comes back.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  When abortion comes back, ladies, stop being so cavalier about it.

• 47:43Speaker 07

  That is important.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  Yo, cuz we had abortion and then Lena Dunham was out there like, yo, one of my greatest regrets is I ain't getting abortion. First of all, that's not totally up to you. You know what I mean?

• 47:59Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying? That pullout game was on Usain Bolt. When he got a stroke of her down.

• 48:05Speaker 05

  Dude, she could've got a donor, she could've got a sperm donor.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Just to scoop? That's, you are diabolical. You are fucking diabolical, Mark.

• 48:13Speaker 05

  Well, didn't you buy the trans person to try to transition to get an abortion?

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Mark, take his new tonic right now. Mark is on some wild shit right now.

• 48:22Mark Gagnon?

  His news is wild.

• 48:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude. You got zen in one hand, new tonic in the other.

• 48:26Speaker 07

  What the fuck is going on here, dude?

• 48:27Speaker 04

  You know Mark voted for Trump 13 fucking times.

• 48:31Mark Gagnon?

  He voted here and in Florida.

• 48:33Speaker 05

  Mail it.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  No, no, no, great. What is this crazy story?

• 48:36Speaker 05

  There's a trans person tried to transition to be the first trans person getting abortion.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  When are they on camp?

• 48:42Speaker 05

  That's a good idea.

• 48:43Speaker 04

  When are they on camp?

• 48:44Speaker 05

  I've been reaching out for weeks.

• 48:45Speaker 04

  I wanna go watch it.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  I've been reaching out for weeks, bro.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  I wanna watch that episode.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  They haven't responded.

• 48:51Speaker 04

  Okay?

• 48:51Speaker 05

  They haven't responded.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a woman that's transitioning into a man.

• 48:56Speaker 05

  A man transitioned to a woman.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  To get an abortion?

• 48:58Speaker 05

  And they get a uterus put in and then get a baby in the uterus.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  You can't put a uterus in.

• 49:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, what?

• 49:02Speaker 05

  You're so small minded.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  I'm not small minded, I just know for a fact you can't put it, I mean, you can put it in there, it's just gonna float around.

• 49:07Speaker 05

  Elon can catch a rocket on chopsticks, you can't put a uterus inside a dude?

• 49:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. Catching a rocket with chopsticks is easily, you just need to make a machine that goes like that.

• 49:15Speaker 07

  They are kinda chopsticks when you think about it, kinda already chopsticks.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  It's really not that hard.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  You don't think we've made machines that go, dead?

• 49:24Mark Gagnon?

  Come on.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  There's one guy in the booth and he just hits a button and it goes, dead. And people acting like this is the greatest invention of all time. No, what you just said to me is fucking insane. Putting a uterus inside of a man. For the sole purpose of getting pregnant and then having an abortion.

• 49:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 49:43Mark Gagnon?

  It's the future.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  Wow, Kekasul.

• 49:47Speaker 07

  The real thing that's happening.

• 49:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  No, it's not gonna fucking happen.

• 49:50Mark Gagnon?

  It's not a real thing, it's just one person on the internet that's crazy.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  One fucking kooky Mongoloid.

• 49:56Speaker 04

  One kooky Mongoloid is gonna try to do this and then cause a big stir, but not in Trump's. You know, you already saw what happened, day one.

• 50:03Speaker 07

  What happened?

• 50:03Speaker 04

  The Houthis. You know who they are?

• 50:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, Rwanda?

• 50:07Speaker 04

  Yemen, motherfucker.

• 50:08Speaker 07

  The Houthis and Tutsus?

• 50:10Speaker 04

  No, no, it's the Tutsis and Houthis.

• 50:11Speaker 07

  Oh, Tutsis, okay, okay.

• 50:12Speaker 04

  The Houthis.

• 50:12Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  They're in Yemen and they, day one, were like, yo, my bad.

• 50:16Speaker 07

  Oh, word?

• 50:17Speaker 04

  Day one, they said, my bad.

• 50:19Speaker 07

  Trump be bringing the ruckus to these folks, dude. You gotta, you gotta admit it. He be shutting them up.

• 50:24Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, what did they actually say?

• 50:25Speaker 04

  They said my, I don't know how they pronounce it, but it was.

• 50:27Mark Gagnon?

  What does that translate to in Arabic?

• 50:29Speaker 04

  They're like.

• 50:29Mark Gagnon?

  Something of the sort, them saying that. Means kill the Jew. Our operations in, in the waters off because they basically target ships that are passing and hijacking and doing all the things.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  And now all of a sudden, it's all good. Now it's all good, cuz they know what the fuck time it is.

• 50:44Mark Gagnon?

  Iran, they need to be worried.

• 50:47Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 50:48Mark Gagnon?

  Cuz didn't they?

• 50:48Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 50:49Mark Gagnon?

  He thinks they tried to take him out, right?

• 50:51Speaker 07

  Oh, fuck, yeah.

• 50:53Mark Gagnon?

  That's the first people I'm getting my get back on.

• 50:56Speaker 07

  Hmm. Let's go get our corners, Doug.

• 50:59Mark Gagnon?

  What about, what about Russia, Ukraine?

• 51:00Speaker 04

  He's gonna, he's.

• 51:01Speaker 07

  That's just done.

• 51:01Mark Gagnon?

  He said he would stop that.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  That's over immediately. That's over immediately.

• 51:04Speaker 07

  What about these Jews?

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Maga, Maga Nagila, Maga Nagila, Maga Nagila. I mean, if it, if there is any, uh, if there's any justification or reason why I would think that they're very happy, it's the fact that I didn't wanna go to 58th Street to that polling station and Tanya goes, I'll drive you.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  So I think we know what side the Jews are on in this one.

• 51:32Mark Gagnon?

  Are they banning TikTok? Oh, yes.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  No.

• 51:35Mark Gagnon?

  Why not?

• 51:38Speaker 04

  You don't have to do that now.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  It's Chinese.

• 51:41Speaker 07

  No, we should ban TikTok.

• 51:42Mark Gagnon?

  Put a tariff on it.

• 51:44Speaker 07

  He didn't make the US buy TikTok.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. I think TikTok's fine. Even if it's controlled by a Chinese government?

• 51:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, what's your deal, dude?

• 51:52Speaker 04

  Well, okay, my honest answer is, uh, Trump is already elected. He can't win reelection, so he's not really worried about that. So he's like, alright, do whatever you want. Like, you can, you can influence the next election, but it's not gonna be me involved, so I'm gonna go fuck. That's my perception. I, I think TikTok in terms of influencing election that he's involved in is way more concerning for him than the following election. And I think by the next election, he's like, I'm 82, if my kids aren't running, which I don't think any of them will, is like, ah.

• 52:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 52:21Speaker 04

  I don't think, I don't know how involved he's gonna be, but I can't imagine it's gonna be bad.

• 52:24Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 05

  What about all the tweets? I've seen people say like, oh, the Merrick is over, this guy's gonna take, Project 2025 is gonna destroy the country.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 52:31Speaker 07

  I don't think he's into Project 2025. I don't think he, I'm not saying everything he said was honest, but I didn't believe, I believed him when he said, I got nothing to do with that. That was one thing I believed. I didn't believe him when he told me I'm gonna dial back the rhetoric, that I have a hard time believing. But when he was like that, because that just doesn't sound like his shit at all. And he doesn't seem like he is gonna do something because they tell him to, either part, anybody.

• 52:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:54Speaker 07

  He's like, you're not gonna tell me what to do, no matter what fucking, who you are, I don't care, I'm gonna do what I wanna do. You're gonna try and push your little shit on me, it's not gonna happen.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  Now, now, I, now, there's a part of me that goes like, he might look back and see FDR got three terms.

• 53:08Speaker 07

  No, that might have to be.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Somebody's just gotta not tell Trump that FDR got three terms. Because it's very possible Trump has no clue FDR was in there for three terms. But once he finds that shit out, he's like, oh, oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. The fuck did that legless dude get to do three terms as president? I'm definitely running back for one more. Bloomberg got an extra term when he was mayor.

• 53:29Speaker 07

  Bloomberg, we should run that back, to be honest with you.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Of course, I'm so, there is a world where that happens, and I would be super against that. I'd be so against that, that would be the worst part, no, no. In all seriousness, in all seriousness, I'd be very much against that. And I think that is, that would be a cause for concern. But I don't think he'll go after that, genuinely. I, I genuinely don't think it.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  I genuinely don't think it.

• 53:53Speaker 05

  Well, they wrote an amendment. Against it.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  After FDR, right? So there was no rule before that?

• 53:58Speaker 05

  Uh, I don't think so. There wasn't.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  There was no term limits.

• 54:01Speaker 07

  It was like an unspoken thing, like you just generally didn't do it.

• 54:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, cuz George, uh, George W.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  So he did too, so everybody's like.

• 54:07Speaker 07

  You're right.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  That's what I call George W.

• 54:09Speaker 04

  So, so he did too, therefore other people can do too.

• 54:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:14Speaker 07

  And he didn't, I think he intentionally didn't run a third time.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  How much fun was having slaves that he was like, I'm tired of being president?

• 54:22Speaker 07

  I'm not seeing the correlation. I mean, I don't, I'm sure it was fun.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  No correlation.

• 54:26Speaker 07

  I'm sure it wasn't boring.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  He left the presidency to go own his slaves again.

• 54:31Speaker 07

  But he can do both.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  No, he couldn't.

• 54:33Speaker 07

  If you're a president, you just kind of, you just have slaves everywhere.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  No, you couldn't. He couldn't do it the way he wanted. He couldn't do it the way. He wanted, no, no, no, no, George Washington.

• 54:43Speaker 05

  George Washington.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  George Washington. Like he had to be in there signing documents all fucking day and he's looking at the field, he's like, nah.

• 54:51Speaker 07

  You think once Abe lost his slaves, he was like, somebody put a bullet in my head?

• 54:57Speaker 05

  Apparently that's why George Washington left, the toxic guy, he's like, yeah, he's like a huge land speculator, had so much money. He's like the wealthiest guy when he left presidency to this day, he's like the richest president.

• 55:05Speaker 04

  Okay, so when I said it, oh, there's no correlation, it doesn't make any sense. And then when Mark says land speculation and all that other gay word.

• 55:14Speaker 07

  See how he made it make sense? You just said the two things.

• 55:17Speaker 04

  You guys hate real Americans. You guys hate real hardworking Americans, that's what it is. You're liberal elitists, you're some champagne liberals, and when a real hardworking, blue collar American like me comes along.

• 55:30Speaker 07

  You can't even put a tushy on your toilet.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  What's that?

• 55:33Speaker 07

  Bidet.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, cuz that's a gay thing to do.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not gonna have somebody shooting in my ass.

• 55:38Speaker 07

  Ah, it's the most blue collar dude.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  What is going on with you?

• 55:42Speaker 07

  I'm just saying you can't install anything in your life.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  Can you just acknowledge that was a horrible way to prove your point?

• 55:49Speaker 07

  For example, I stand by my point, for example. I could have gone with a better thing you couldn't.

• 55:56Speaker 05

  Build a shelf.

• 55:58Speaker 07

  Build a shelf would have been a better.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  Change the oil in your car. Change the oil.

• 56:02Speaker 07

  Change the oil.

• 56:05Speaker 07

  There's a lot of things I just grabbed the first one.

• 56:07Speaker 04

  You can't even put foam on a macchiato.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  You call yourself blue collar?

• 56:13Speaker 05

  Can't assemble a charcuterie. Like, what about you, blue collar at all?

• 56:16Speaker 04

  Yo, I got you so fucking rich, it's unbelievable.

• 56:19Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  This guy's so rich, dude. What a rich fucking guy you are.

• 56:24Speaker 05

  A lot of Indians came out for Trump. Do you think you had anything to do with it?

• 56:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, dude. Son, I'm a hero over there.

• 56:29Speaker 05

  Your glowing endorsement, I think, really.

• 56:30Speaker 07

  I'm a hero over there.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, what did Modi say? I'm gonna be.

• 56:36Speaker 07

  That was, that was the most non-racist Indian accent I've ever heard.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was Japanese.

• 56:40Speaker 07

  It was Japanese.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  That was the funny. Nobody caught on to that.

• 56:44Speaker 07

  I didn't caught on to.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  He did a Japanese.

• 56:47Speaker 07

  I do it?

• 56:49Speaker 04

  I do a hundred.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  And we just sat there and pretended that he wasn't doing a Japanese accent. He might not know that Modi's not Japanese.

• 56:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's Asian.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  Facts.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  Okay, so we hope that Elon is involved, yes?

• 57:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, sure.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  It's, it is interesting that.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  Worries me a little bit.

• 57:11Speaker 04

  Well, okay, I, I want to hear that perspective.

• 57:13Speaker 05

  Just because of how like, quick he is with his cuts, like in a private sector, cool, but like, with the government?

• 57:21Speaker 04

  So what?

• 57:22Speaker 05

  It's.

• 57:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, real quick, real quick. So what he said was, I thought quite interesting. He was like, we have to take care of these people. So I think what we should do is pay them two years of salary, the day that we fire them. We don't want people to leave and then be homeless. We don't want people to leave and hurt. These are people with families. So he's like, let's pay them the two years of salary upfront. And then they'll have two years to figure out the next thing they're going to do with their life. And these are people who obviously can hold a job. These are people who obviously are proficient at something. So they'll go help America in other ways and hold positions in other ways. But at least we won't be kicking them out the door and then they're on their ass.

• 57:58Speaker 05

  But then also the way he's.

• 58:00Speaker 07

  Two years is a little fucking crazy. Two years, you get all fucking midterm to figure out what you want to do? That's nuts, dude.

• 58:07Mark Gagnon?

  Leave my office right now.

• 58:08Speaker 07

  A year, a year is more than enough.

• 58:10Mark Gagnon?

  No, come on.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  So whatever they end up coming to, at least what I was saying is when he said that, I was like, okay, at least there's some compassion here, because I was concerned about that, too. You have a friend who has a job, he's working for the government, and a lot of people, you, you remember this, like, when you get a job working for the government, there is, there's this feeling like, okay, as long as I stick in this job for 25, 30 years, I'll be safe, I'll have my, what is it called, pension?

• 58:30Mark Gagnon?

  Pension.

• 58:31Speaker 04

  And like, I'll be able to like, retire and take care of my family.

• 58:34Mark Gagnon?

  You rich fucks don't even know.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  What are you rich fucks? We just never had a one of them jobs.

• 58:39Speaker 07

  I never had a job where you get two years paid, like, paid severance.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  So it's, two years is a lot, but. Have some compassion.

• 58:47Speaker 07

  Two years is insane. Like, years, honestly, too much for you to have.

• 58:51Mark Gagnon?

  Akash is so. So I know, this motherfucker was almost poor, and he's like, yo.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  No, he was poor.

• 58:57Mark Gagnon?

  He was so much. Wanted his government job, man.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  You asked.

• 59:01Speaker 07

  You know what's so crazy? This group influenced the presidential election of 2020.

• 59:05Speaker 04

  Yo, listen.

• 59:06Speaker 07

  Ain't that fucking crazy?

• 59:07Speaker 04

  Don't even say influence, we, we decided.

• 59:09Speaker 07

  We were the turning point.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Just know, just know, and we'll be left out of everything, and that's fine, we don't give a fuck about the, the credit. We, we, we know we do.

• 59:17Mark Gagnon?

  I don't need this credit.

• 59:19Speaker 04

  We don't need, it's fine, we'll be left out of everything, it's totally fine, it doesn't matter, that is the nature of things that we started, everybody else does it, and, and, but, he was not up until this pod.

• 59:29Speaker 07

  It's true.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  After the pod, he surges, what, 3% or 4%?

• 59:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, it was a rap, dude.

• 59:34Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Never went back down after that. Bah!

• 59:40Speaker 04

  Okay? Okay? Shout out my Samoans. Shout out my Maoris. Was that a Hakka? That was a Hakka. That's fine. I just did a Hakka. I just did a Hakka. I learned that one. The straightest Hakka ever. It was a really good Hakka. You ever seen a gay Hakka before? I have.

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  Come on, dude. Come on, no.

• 1:00:05Mark Gagnon?

  That's disrespectful, I'm sorry. They gonna fuck you up and out.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  It's our, it's our culture.

• 1:00:10Mark Gagnon?

  And you go to Hawaii soon.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  Alright, listen.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  What a fucking election special. It is crazy that we had any influence at all.

• 1:00:18Speaker 07

  It is really nuts, dude. I texted you.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  It's absolutely absurd.

• 1:00:21Speaker 07

  That's the most insane shit ever. My wife's looked at me at about 10pm and she goes, "You did this."

• 1:00:28Speaker 07

  "Hey, we asked her to come on."

• 1:00:31Speaker 07

  "Brown bitch ain't wanna come on."

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  Why didn't she? Why didn't she?

• 1:00:34Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 1:00:36Speaker 05

  Is she gonna be at the inauguration? Like, does she have to?

• 1:00:40Mark Gagnon?

  As VP, she's gotta be there, right?

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  I don't even think she's conceded yet. Dick.

• 1:00:44Mark Gagnon?

  Whoa.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  She's doing it 6pm today. We're recording this Wednesday.

• 1:00:48Speaker 07

  4pm today.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  They moved it up?

• 1:00:50Speaker 07

  Yeah. Unless they move it back, but... She's probably gonna show up at 6, minority ass.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  He knows.

• 1:00:59Speaker 07

  I said minority.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  He knows.

• 1:01:00Speaker 07

  I'm a brown, I never would call him that.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  Bro, with, with the...

• 1:01:03Speaker 07

  She's a brown bitch. She's a brown bitch.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  Do you guys think that plays a little part in like the success of white people around the world just being on time?

• 1:01:11Speaker 07

  No, I don't.

• 1:01:13Speaker 04

  Do you think a little?

• 1:01:14Speaker 07

  Fashionably, wait, that's y'all, isn't that like the thing now?

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. We're on time.

• 1:01:17Speaker 07

  That's because you're not fashionable ever?

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  The whites are on time. The whites are on time.

• 1:01:21Mark Gagnon?

  You're never on time.

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  Me?

• 1:01:23Speaker 07

  You're the last one here by an hour.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  I'm not white.

• 1:01:26Speaker 07

  What are you?

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  Orthodox?

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  I am orthodox.

• 1:01:33Speaker 07

  You know.

• 1:01:34Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, but you guys aren't concerned at all with the way, um...

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  Oh, I know. I stopped myself a bit, I stopped. Now I stopped myself a bit.

• 1:01:44Speaker 07

  Are you concerned about Project 2025 and what's gonna happen to democracy in America? Are you concerned about it? Oh, there's a ceiling, kid, I don't care.

• 1:01:51Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, how you doing?

• 1:01:55Speaker 04

  I got a gay hug, I gotta give myself that. Allison. Allison is one Amay sale away from not giving a fuck about what happened in this election, bro. Amay, put some shit on 40% off for Allison.

• 1:02:14Mark Gagnon?

  Send me the free packs.

• 1:02:18Mark Gagnon?

  No, okay, no, bottom.

• 1:02:21Mark Gagnon?

  You brought it up, I'm just curious.

• 1:02:24Speaker 04

  What's your question?

• 1:02:25Mark Gagnon?

  Because you see how Twitter is right now.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  I know it's coming. Well, how's Twitter right now?

• 1:02:30Mark Gagnon?

  Like all the fucking antisemitized shit that you see.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  Antisemitized?

• 1:02:35Mark Gagnon?

  Slag tights. Miles don't start. I'll send it your direction.

• 1:02:40Speaker 07

  And it's not American, dawg. And you're talking about it like that no more.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  You do whatever you want to do over there.

• 1:02:46Speaker 07

  Miles so happy?

• 1:02:47Mark Gagnon?

  Miles text me, mad lady's like, damn, we losing, right?

• 1:02:51Speaker 04

  He just goes, wrong text.

• 1:02:56Speaker 04

  No, no, what were you saying? What, there's a lot of antisemitism?

• 1:02:59Mark Gagnon?

  I give up.

• 1:03:00Speaker 04

  There's a lot of antisemitism on, uh...

• 1:03:01Speaker 07

  Are you concerned about racism or...?

• 1:03:03Mark Gagnon?

  No, Elon, the way he slashes jobs. Like, he doesn't do it strategically. He's just like...

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  What about antisemitism?

• 1:03:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, what does that have to do with...?

• 1:03:10Mark Gagnon?

  He broke Twitter in a way that Twitter's kind of wild now. Like, it's a little, it's not...

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  I see what you're saying. Twitter is wild, and that is the cost of free speech. And I think what's happening right now is basically people are... So, like, you get a new car, right? You get a Ferrari, you want to drive as fast as it can go. That's what people are doing with free speech. Ideally, what happens is, in the next year, two years, people start going, "Oh, you don't need to drive the car as fast every single time." And I think this would happen when, like, Sirius XM came around, remember? Like, and you could curse on Sirius XM, and everybody was cursing. And then people started to realize, like, oh, it doesn't make it better that you can curse. You know, eventually, you actually have to say things that are, like, thoughtful and interesting. So, right now, it's working that you could just be,

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  you know, super racist, or super antisemitic, or super hateful. And I think eventually, it just kind of calms down. That's my suspicion.

• 1:04:03Mark Gagnon?

  Part of the reason is because he slashed jobs by so much, and so, some of the people that were like... Would tame down that noise are no longer there.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  I don't believe that. I believe that he's committed to free speech and unfortunately, free speech protects hate speech.

• 1:04:16Mark Gagnon?

  All right. I think it's 70% drop in.

• 1:04:20Speaker 07

  No, I don't believe he's as altruistic as a lot of the right beliefs. I do believe there's some, he definitely wanted Trump to get elected. He want, he had his reasons. I wonder if it's, because JD Vance seems to be in big tech's pocket. Like Peter Thiel funded his whole presidential thing. I wonder if they're like, we can control that guy. That's one step away from Trump. Let's get Trump elected.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  You trust, you trust him, JD Vance?

• 1:04:40Speaker 07

  I do not.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  That, let me tell you something. To do what he did in his life.

• 1:04:45Speaker 07

  Oh, he's nice, but I don't.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Like the guy, his mom was a drug addict, right?

• 1:04:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  Poor, ends up going to Yale, navigating Yale with really nothing to offer. Remember, a lot of people that go to these like elite private schools, like their legacy individuals that, and the people at these schools, a lot of them are entering banking and/or some sort of like VC hedge fund world, where having wealthy family members is very valuable because you can use them as assets for investment, whatever these companies are. Navigating that world with really nothing to offer those people takes super high emotional intelligence. This guy's smart.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  No question. I don't know how much I trust him.

• 1:05:30Speaker 07

  That's exactly how I feel. He's nice. In that debate, he was nice.

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  He's nice.

• 1:05:33Speaker 07

  He's a shark dog.

• 1:05:34Speaker 04

  But I, I need to sit in a room with him and I need to be like, and they asked him, they asked us to have him on. And my feeling was if we had him on, but we didn't have anybody from the Democrat's side on, it would seem too unfair. Like I thought we were more or less balanced. We had Cuban on and then we had Trump on. We tried to get someone else, tried to get Buttigieg on. He's supposed to come on, then he has to do debate prep. Maybe that's an excuse or maybe not, but.

• 1:06:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Speaker 04

  I just felt like it would be too one-sided. But I do, in order to know if I can trust, I gotta sit in a room with him. That is, to do what he did in his life is.

• 1:06:11Speaker 07

  No question, his ability.

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  Is very difficult.

• 1:06:12Speaker 07

  I don't question his ability. I question a little bit his motives and how he operates.

• 1:06:17Mark Gagnon?

  Four years, he's next up.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  And, and think about like, talk crazy shit about Trump.

• 1:06:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's the wildest shit.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  Well, to me, this is also evidence, like people go, oh, Trump's about to go after all the people that hated on him. It's like, I don't think that's really how he operates. Like if those people take a step in his direction.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  He's fine.

• 1:06:37Speaker 07

  Vince McMahon.

• 1:06:39Speaker 04

  So if they continue to hate on him, then they might be fucked. But if they try to be diplomatic and they try to work with him and do things, clearly he will forgive. He forgot, the VP is a guy who hated him more than anything, said vile things about him. Now he made him VP, next in line to rule the country.

• 1:06:55Speaker 05

  Cause that, could that also show how easily manipulative? I mean, how easy he can be manipulated?

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  I think that's, I think that's one way of looking at the argument. And it's just the same coin, right? One side is always easily tricked or manipulated. The other side is, he looks at it as business, or he looks at it as the game. He looks at it as politics. And once you're willing to get on board, if you're willing to help the agenda and you can help the agenda, doesn't matter what you said, let's go make this work.

• 1:07:21Speaker 07

  Probably a little bit of both.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  So it could be, yeah.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  Our thing is culturally more annoying now with Trump.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  Oh, break that down. That's an interesting one.

• 1:07:28Speaker 05

  Like, from 2016 to 2020, it just seemed like every day there was like a culture war happening. He would tweet some shit and then people would dissect it and there'd be back and forth. And if you said something like specifically on stage and you'd be like, I think this. People would be like, wait, are you a Trump guy? Are you not? Da, da, da. Is that a redo?

• 1:07:43Speaker 07

  I agree with you.

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  It's over. It's not a redo. It's an over. It's a unanimous victory. People are exhausted. I actually think him losing in 2020 is the best thing that could have happened. Because America clearly wasn't ready to reject the path it was going on. And the 2024 victory is America unanimously going, okay, we don't like what the Democrats are offering. We actually don't even trust the way that they're positioning Trump to be. Like, yeah, there might be some issues, but it's not as bad as the Democrats are making it seem. I mean, like seeing Obama on there, like, on the, on the trail, and this was like heartbreaking a little bit. Like him spouting hoaxes, like he's on the campaign trail.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  Like he's saying things that have been debunked and proven false.

• 1:08:30Speaker 07

  Like what?

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  The, they're good people on both sides thing. Like there's all these things that, and it's just like even Obama, like Obama, like this is.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  Maybe I hold him to a higher regard than I should. They're all politicians at the end of the day.

• 1:08:45Mark Gagnon?

  I should about that.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:46Mark Gagnon?

  I did hear the full part of what Trump said, but if you're at a rally and there's KKK and white nationalists right next to you, are there good people on both sides? If you're rolling with these people.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  So the the context of this conversation is the Charlottesville.

• 1:09:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  Thing and like there were people that don't want to tear down all the statues and the people that do want to tear down the statues. And I think his argument that like there's good reasons to want to tear it down and there's good reasons to maybe not want to tear them down. Like we start looking into the morality of all these people that we have statues of, good or bad. All of a sudden, they're going to start calming down like George Washington had slaves.

• 1:09:27Mark Gagnon?

  I get it.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  Yank it like.

• 1:09:29Mark Gagnon?

  But I'm saying, if you're marching for something, even though maybe the cause is moral, just whatever the case is. But right next to you is KKK, it's white nationalists. Are you really on the right side?

• 1:09:40Speaker 04

  I understand your positioning 100%. The unfortunate thing is sometimes your views align with people whose views are abhorrent. So for example, KKK people might want smaller government. You might want smaller government. You guys might agree on that. That doesn't mean you support KKK shit.

• 1:10:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'm just saying if there's a march for smaller government and KKK shows up and be like, I'm gonna sit that one out.

• 1:10:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, he could have said nothing. But it's like, if you're in a free speech debate, you're like, look, I see both sides. But that doesn't mean I'm like endorsing the people that are pro Hitler.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  Well, I do think Trump will, he doesn't want to lose ever. So he will co-sign some shit that he shouldn't co-sign if he knows those guys are going to vote for him and he doesn't want it. And if he doesn't, then he's going to lose their vote. He'll figure and then he'll figure out whoever's outraged on the back end. But let me just not lose their vote and I don't love, I don't like that. I don't. I would say also to your initial point, I think being comedians, we were in making the jokes, whatever. The height of like the cancel culture shit was like 2015, 2016. I think Trump getting elected the first time was the beginning.

• 1:10:50Speaker 07

  Getting of the downward, we're done with this. And I think 2016, when he won, everybody's like, but he lost the popular. So you still felt emboldened that the majority of the country is with me. Now this is such a decisive victory. Trump won the popular. I do think people in the middle have to start looking like, oh, these leftists don't got it. They act like they got it, they don't got it. And they're gonna believe what they're gonna believe because they're retards. As are people on the far right, but like.

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  Just a rejection. Yeah, it's just a rejection of like, um, actors as influencers.

• 1:11:19Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:19Speaker 04

  Actors and musicians don't move the needle.

• 1:11:22Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  And a lot of that comes from the connection thing we were talking about earlier. It's like, as famous as actors are, we don't really feel connected to them. Like, I'm not, as cool as fucking George Clooney is, he's the coolest guy on the fucking planet. You know, Ocean's Eleven, Twelve, Thirteen, I'm like, I just want to exist in those movies. But I'm not connected to him like I am, like a guy like Joe Rogan. So Joe Rogan could influence me way more than a George Clooney. And I think that that exists even at the highest level, like a Taylor Swift.

• 1:11:49Speaker 07

  Mm hmm.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  You know, it's, we have an idea of who Taylor is.

• 1:11:52Speaker 07

  Mm hmm.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  But I don't know if, if she connects with us on a day to day basis like a podcaster does. Or to be fair, like radio hosts did back in the day. Like a Howard Stern probably had way more influence.

• 1:12:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, I think evidence of that is like the Tinos coming out.

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  What's that?

• 1:12:12Speaker 05

  Like Latinos came out in like big numbers for.

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  Numbers for Trump.

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. And like, I think that was like the biggest disparity from 2020. I think it was like a, like 25 or 30 points.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 05

  More Latinos, even in like swing states like PA and shit.

• 1:12:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Speaker 05

  So even on the heels of like Tony's joke and people were like, oh, this is gonna swing the election, da, da, da. It seems like it had no effect.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  No effect.

• 1:12:31Speaker 05

  And Latinos were still like, no, we like Trump.

• 1:12:32Speaker 07

  And that's again, in the face of the cancel culture thing. It's like, that was one thing I did get right. We talked about it on the Patreon. I was like, I don't think this joke hurts Trump or Tony at all.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:12:41Speaker 07

  I don't think it fucking matters. They're both gonna be fine. Cause it's just a joke. And again, to the cancel culture thing, we're not buying into that shit anymore.

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. I had an interesting take about that from Gnome from the Comedy Cellar. And he basically said like, the fact that they didn't vet the jokes.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  Is indicative of them not caring about comedy being like,

• 1:13:14Speaker 04

  them not taking Dangerous? Yeah, dangerous. Like i- i- i- in a positive way. Meaning like, they're like, we're not gonna be the administration that like censors jokes. Like, they're just jokes. Why would we waste time looking over your jokes? We don't need to do that. It's true. You're a comedian, and you just do it. Now, that might be a very gracious way of looking at it, but I thought it was a kind of interesting take. Like, I imagine the Democrats are like, "Well, we need to see every single word and see every single joke." And they're like, "We're not gonna police your fucking jokes. That's not what our organization is doing. And that's not what our administration is gonna do." Thought it was an interesting take. I- it's more one of those takes that like, I wanna believe. I don't know if it's actually real. But, um...

• 1:13:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, Tony's vindicated, though.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. Tony is free. He was watching that shit nervously, bro. Bro, calm him.

• 1:14:01Mark Gagnon?

  Stay out of Spanish Harlem.

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  Puerto Ricans, they might still be upset, by the way. Tony.

• 1:14:09Mark Gagnon?

  It's actually, he picked the perfect group, because most Latinos don't like Puerto Ricans.

• 1:14:13Speaker 04

  So that's the thing. That's the thing. It's like, every- all these white people coming out like, "Yo, Puerto Rico's not garbage," but all these Latinos were like, "Yo, sometimes you get it right."

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  Sometimes jokes are true. That's why it's funny. Yeah.

• 1:14:31Speaker 04

  Did you guys talk about it on the Patreon, the Tony Hinchcliffe joke? Yeah, it just wasn't- yeah, we basically said the environment wasn't conducive to doing these jokes. Also, the jokes just didn't make sense. Like, And I think, like, For New Yorkers, is what I'm saying. Like, New Yorkers, we think of Puerto Rico as this like tropical, beautiful island. Oh, yeah. It's not viewed as like a garbage island. That's a great point. So that's why the audience was like, "Huh? That's weird." Because it's like our first trip to a tropical, beautiful place in our lives. So the punchline didn't make sense, and that's why I didn't land in the room. Yeah.

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  There are maybe places that you could use that would have worked for the joke, for sure. But I think the takeaway now is just, yeah, he's a comedian, he's a roast comedian. Like Jon Stewart, the, you know, hats off to Jon Stewart because he took that shit on the chin. Like, he's, he went immediately, hey, he's a roast comedian, he's hilarious, this is what they do. Maybe the administration shouldn't have brought him up there to do it because that's what he does. But we're not going to get upset at the guy for doing the thing he does.

• 1:15:30Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:15:30Speaker 04

  And for him, knowing the base that he's built and the trust that they have in him to come out there and say that first, I think that took a lot of the heat off of.

• 1:15:39Speaker 07

  He's the best.

• 1:15:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. So what do, what happens now? What is the, what does the media do? I don't think the media can sit back and go, all right, we don't have the influence that we had before. And we have to change all our programs and we have to make everything long form where you can really get to know somebody. It just doesn't match the goal of legacy media, which is to sell pharmaceuticals or to sell Bud Lights or whatever the fuck they, the reason why there are all these shows. So I think the only thing they can do is deny that they have a lack of influence and then make radioactive the opposition.

• 1:16:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, same play.

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  The same play always. So it's just like, you're racist, you're blah, blah, blah. Like, you're sexist, you're a bad person. All the, like, I would not be surprised if there are articles about us and the other podcasts that were successful in this time that are not supportive and congratulatory. I, I wouldn't see the articles, wow, they built up a community and they were able to have a, you know, conversation that was really unique.

• 1:16:47Speaker 07

  They'll leave out that we asked Kamala multiple times to come on.

• 1:16:50Speaker 04

  Of course, of course. And they'll probably try to make us as toxic as possible by bringing up everything that we may be tangentially accused of throughout our careers. And not mentioning anything successful that we've done throughout our careers. Like, so, because that's the only thing that they can do to maintain their status quo.

• 1:17:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, which is a badge of honor, kind of.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  It's a badge of honor, but I think it's important to talk about these things. Like, one thing I'll give Trump credit for is his, like, calling out the media created protection for him.

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  Because the media, online, new media, old media can create narratives that are just not true.

• 1:17:33Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  And you have to decide, you're like, should I address this? Should I just ignore it? Like, and a lot of times you don't want to address it because you don't want to put more heat on it. But there is a version where like, if you address it, then all of a sudden your fans start to go, oh, this is bullshit. This is made up. This is not true.

• 1:17:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  And then they stop believing.

• 1:17:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  What was going on.

• 1:17:53Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:54Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:17:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it's just one of those things where like, I wonder, like, our, our take is like, if you're not really like a, a real resource that's not getting a lot of views, it doesn't really matter. Like, we just kind of ignore it. But maybe there's a version where we should be addressing more things.

• 1:18:11Speaker 07

  Maybe.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  I figure people are eventually gonna see it and then they stop trusting the outlets that just lie for views. But maybe that doesn't, maybe that's not the case.

• 1:18:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I just feel like I saw a term with Rogan, like, once, like, all the COVID stuff was happening, he was kind of talking out against it, and then they're using his images with like, color correction to make him look worse on CNN.

• 1:18:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  And then the way that they've slandered him after he like, became vocal about that issue. I think more and more people were like, wait, this guy, lifelong liberal, like, endorsed Bernie, more or less, like, was like, supportive of Bernie. And now you're calling him like, all these names and slurs. It's like, alright. And I think that is a moment where a lot of people go like, oh, they're just calling everyone they don't like a Nazi.

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I think we should pay attention to like, who these creators are, who the writers are. And see if there's a pattern.

• 1:18:57Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  You know, like, see if there's a pattern of these types of pieces being written. See if that's essentially like, what they do.

• 1:19:05Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  Right? Like, in the same way that they'll try to create patterns for us, and they'll try to create narratives about us. I imagine that if we look back at the pieces that they make, there will be some patterns that they might not like out there. And it might undermine their journalistic integrity.

• 1:19:21Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  So it's something that we should look at, like, as we go into this new media landscape. It's up to us also have integrity.

• 1:19:28Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:19:28Speaker 04

  Which I think we did, especially during the election. Like, we could have, we could have been so biased in one direction. We had, everybody on the right was willing to come on the show. And we're like, if we do that, it will just be too biased.

• 1:19:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  And we're not gonna give our audience like, a true understanding of what this political landscape is, so that they can make a decision that they believe.

• 1:19:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:19:47Speaker 05

  Yeah. It is interesting to see Bezos not endorse Kamala through Washington Post. And then also Zuckerberg, kind of at the same time, being like, oh yeah, the Biden administration was trying to get us to like squash all these stories.

• 1:19:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, that was wild.

• 1:20:00Speaker 05

  Like, all these large tech guys, all simultaneously.

• 1:20:02Speaker 07

  That is also what makes me a little more wary of JD Vance, though. And I don't, I don't look at that as much as a, an admonishment of the Biden administration as I do, it was a little worrying that all these massive like technocrats or whatever are suddenly all kind of shifting this way.

• 1:20:18Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:18Speaker 07

  And it could just be they're unhappy, but I also am like, oh, your vice president is funded by a technocrat. This seemed a little convenient, the timing.

• 1:20:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, but also like Pence would not was funded, but like was largely influenced by like the evangelical right. And I don't feel like that played like a huge effect on Trump outside of the.

• 1:20:34Speaker 07

  I just don't fear their influence.

• 1:20:35Mark Gagnon?

  That was huge.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, but like, I mean, it didn't stop necessarily like Pence, you know, like Pence wasn't just like lapdogging on Trump, you know what I mean? Like, there's still like friction between them. And so I, in the same way, I wonder how much JD can actually influence Trump.

• 1:20:49Speaker 07

  This is not my conspiracy, but if we're getting real conspiratorial.

• 1:20:52Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 1:20:53Speaker 07

  These guys are powerful enough to be like, yo, let's just get Trump out of there and let's get our guy.

• 1:20:57Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:57Speaker 07

  He's VP now. We couldn't have got him elected. We can make him president now.

• 1:21:01Speaker 05

  Hmm, that's interesting.

• 1:21:03Speaker 07

  I don't know if I should give credit to whoever, but like, yeah, that's not, but it, it didn't seem completely impossible when he said it.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  Hmm, I don't, I think that all of these people are hedging. And I think Bezos is hedging. Bezos didn't endorse Trump. He just said, I'm not going to endorse any of them. And by not endorsing through the Washington Post is what we're talking about. Um, he left it open for interpretation and now he can go to Trump and be like, okay, listen, there's certain government contracts I would like to continue. I mean, Jeff Bezos got like really favorable government contracts for his space program. Elon is best buddies with Trump. I can't fathom that Trump is going to side with Bezos over Elon for any type of like government funded space exploration.

• 1:21:53Speaker 04

  But maybe, and I imagine when you get to that level of business, you need government influence. And maybe he's doing this just to protect his interests.

• 1:22:02Mark Gagnon?

  That's a weird thing that newspapers actually endorse any candidate.

• 1:22:05Speaker 04

  Insane, right?

• 1:22:06Mark Gagnon?

  That shit makes no sense.

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Mark Gagnon?

  It's supposed to be an unbiased journalistic paper.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:12Mark Gagnon?

  That's weird in itself. So I actually liked the fact that he didn't.

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  None of them should. Let us read your articles. And by reading your articles, we come to a decision.

• 1:22:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Speaker 04

  You don't have to tell us what to do. None of us told you. I thought that that was really cool.

• 1:22:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Speaker 04

  Like, we made a point to not say who we were voting for. I don't want to tell you guys what to do. You guys are smart. You can make your own fucking decisions.

• 1:22:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. Read the fucking articles and then wait for J Lo to endorse someone and then do what she did.

• 1:22:34Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 1:22:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  It's that simple.

• 1:22:36Speaker 05

  That's what I did.

• 1:22:37Speaker 04

  Wait for J Lo to go out there and fake cry. You know, I loved how like the second she was fake crying up there, the Diddy marriage came out.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  Cause she was there the night where Diddy shot that dude and then blame shine.

• 1:22:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:22:51Speaker 04

  And she rode with Diddy, which is like, you are ride or die.

• 1:22:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  Yo, shout out J Lo for that one. I mean, it's fucked up, but shout out J Lo for that one.

• 1:22:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:00Speaker 04

  But she lied on the stand for Diddy.

• 1:23:04Speaker 07

  You might have just done that out of sheer terror.

• 1:23:05Mark Gagnon?

  Did she take the stand? I thought she didn't want to take the stand because she didn't want to lie.

• 1:23:09Speaker 04

  Oh, so maybe she didn't take the stand. Maybe she put the fifth or something like that. But like, she knew what the fuck was going on.

• 1:23:13Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, she knew.

• 1:23:14Speaker 04

  And this is the beauty of like, and also the annoyance of like when these celebs get involved in these things. You're just like, shut the fuck up.

• 1:23:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  Shut, I don't need you to hear about how toxic Trump is. It's like you were married, not like you were just dating, you were married to Diddy.

• 1:23:29Speaker 05

  How long were they married for? Like a while? Or was it like a year thing and then it broke up?

• 1:23:34Speaker 04

  I think in Puerto Rican standards, it's very long.

• 1:23:37Speaker 07

  It's like dog years.

• 1:23:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, I would say it was about 21 years of marriage. With Puerto Ricans.

• 1:23:43Speaker 05

  That's a good, that's a, that's a.

• 1:23:44Speaker 04

  Oh, that is funny.

• 1:23:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:48Speaker 05

  That's a long time.

• 1:23:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, shout out to J Lo, man.

• 1:23:50Speaker 04

  Have you read Kim Porter's book yet?

• 1:23:52Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:23:53Speaker 05

  Bro, you gotta read it, dude.

• 1:23:54Mark Gagnon?

  It's not her book.

• 1:23:55Speaker 05

  It's her book, bro. It's her words.

• 1:23:56Mark Gagnon?

  It's not her book.

• 1:23:57Speaker 05

  It's her words. Come on.

• 1:23:59Mark Gagnon?

  It's not her book.

• 1:24:01Speaker 05

  Diddy was banging everyone and their husbands.

• 1:24:04Speaker 07

  I believe that.

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  Um. Young Thug? Thug. Oh shit. This is crazy.

• 1:24:09Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Speaker 04

  This is.

• 1:24:11Speaker 07

  What an insane sentence.

• 1:24:12Speaker 04

  I mean, kinda wild and not shocked that they did it before the election. They knew they were gonna lose this fucking trial.

• 1:24:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  And I think they did it before the election because they knew that it would be completely squashed by the election.

• 1:24:25Speaker 07

  Ah.

• 1:24:25Speaker 04

  This is a five year long trial. I think the most expensive trial in Georgia history.

• 1:24:29Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  And they get nothing. They get time served.

• 1:24:32Mark Gagnon?

  I know, it's crazy.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  Fifteen years probation.

• 1:24:34Mark Gagnon?

  That's nothing.

• 1:24:35Speaker 04

  Which I feel like eventually they're gonna take down on good behavior.

• 1:24:38Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  Uh, does that happen?

• 1:24:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you can renegotiate your probation based on good behavior. So like you're on good behavior for a few years. What does probation mean? What are you not allowed to do?

• 1:24:46Mark Gagnon?

  Can't smoke, can't drink. Uh, I think he has to move out of Atlanta.

• 1:24:50Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:24:50Speaker 05

  Probation officer that you can't talk to anybody.

• 1:24:52Speaker 04

  Kinda nice.

• 1:24:53Mark Gagnon?

  He can't associate with anybody who has a gang affiliation.

• 1:24:56Speaker 04

  He's gonna get so healthy.

• 1:24:57Speaker 07

  How are they gonna ma- like monitor all of this?

• 1:24:59Mark Gagnon?

  Well, the probation officer. If you tweet anything, if you post anything, it's like, he really has to live like a fucking Mormon right now until for the next fifteen years or.

• 1:25:09Speaker 04

  I mean, there are certain things that you could get away with. What I would say is the probation, the, and I, obviously I don't know what the fuck jail is like. I'm sure it's fucking horrible. But the idea of like the looming violation of probation over you, like every second, oh, if I do this, is it gonna?

• 1:25:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but I trust me, you.

• 1:25:32Speaker 04

  Way better than being in jail. One thousand percent.

• 1:25:34Mark Gagnon?

  Facing life.

• 1:25:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:36Mark Gagnon?

  Oh. He was facing life. Yeah. So he won.

• 1:25:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, wow.

• 1:25:40Mark Gagnon?

  This was a win. Major win.

• 1:25:42Speaker 04

  This is why you need Republicans, man. Yeah, real talk. This is why you need Republicans, bro. They got Kodak out? Yeah, Republicans would have never wasted money. They'd be like, free him, bro. Free Thug. Bro, we need more music. Didn't Trump do something with Lil Wayne too? Didn't he like get him? Wayne's, I think endorsed Trump. Is that what it was? I just have a, a, a real quick question about, uh, this is.

• 1:26:04Speaker 04

  Lil Wayne. I wonder if this is just media. I wonder if this is an angle trying to convince us. Like, I look at everything that I consume right now. It's like, is there a narrative here? The people trying to justify a decision?

• 1:26:17Speaker 04

  And it very well could be, people are taking the worst parts of his concerts and putting them on the internet to justify him not being the Super Bowl halftime performer. But what is being shown on Twitter, I don't think is indicative of a Super Bowl halftime performance. And I say this to someone who's supported Wayne his entire life. I fucking love Wayne. One of the greatest rappers of all time. Have any of you seen Wayne live?

• 1:26:40Mark Gagnon?

  I've seen him live and it was amazing.

• 1:26:42Speaker 04

  Okay, so then, maybe this is people hating on the internet and try, it's maybe it's fake news.

• 1:26:47Mark Gagnon?

  It was a while. It was when him and Drake were doing that co-tour situation. And he would actually body Drake almost every night. Like, I saw two shows and it was, he steals the show.

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  Okay, so then, and what you're seeing now on the internet, you're like, this doesn't match up at all.

• 1:27:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, the audio wasn't good. Like, it was, it was a little off.

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  So this is some hating shit?

• 1:27:07Mark Gagnon?

  I think so. I'd personally think so.

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  And who's behind that?

• 1:27:10Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know. It's just maybe not the greatest production.

• 1:27:13Speaker 07

  Also, the Kendrick team online is pretty...

• 1:27:16Speaker 04

  Who's behind it, bro?

• 1:27:18Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, who's behind it?

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  If it is, then... The Democrat shill, Jay-Z? The Kamala supporter?

• 1:27:25Mark Gagnon?

  Jay-Z's been quiet. He ain't...

• 1:27:27Speaker 04

  He got his wife out there doing a fucking fake concert.

• 1:27:31Mark Gagnon?

  He didn't personally endorse nobody.

• 1:27:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, because he's a criminal. You don't put criminals on stage unless they're the president.

• 1:27:40Mark Gagnon?

  He should have backed the criminal.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  Nah, that is, uh, yo, fucking 50 Cent is a man, bro. They, they ask him nonstop to do... They, it hit me up. The Trump team hit me up and asked if they, if I could reach out to 50 to get him to come to the MSG shows. And I was like, I don't know, man. That's, you know, it's a 50-50, you know, marches to beat his own drum. This is the way he does whatever he wants. And he, he always says he doesn't do religion or politics.

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  And after Trump won, he posted a picture with him and Trump. And he goes, I'm always walking out the ring with the winner. Or something to that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this guy is.

• 1:28:20Speaker 05

  He's great.

• 1:28:21Speaker 04

  Oh, man. There was a great interview with him where he, he was talking about Nelly's It's Hot in Here. Did you see this?

• 1:28:29Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:28:29Speaker 04

  He was on Ebro and he was talking with Ebro about Nelly's It's Hot in Here. He's remembering it's hot in here. I think on all my clothes. And he goes, when I saw that song come out, I was like, oh, this shit is a hit. And then he goes, so they make Lloyd Banks fire.

• 1:28:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:44Speaker 04

  Which is like, and he blatantly, I couldn't believe he was blatantly saying, he goes, so we made Lloyd Banks fire. Which is just another version of It's Hot in Here.

• 1:28:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  And he blatantly says, he goes, there's been plenty of times throughout my career where like, I saw a song that was hot. And we did our version of that song was hot and then blew up.

• 1:29:03Speaker 05

  Hmm. Wow.

• 1:29:04Speaker 04

  I couldn't believe an artist was sharing that.

• 1:29:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Hmm. And it just shows like his, the way he thinks about rap. Like, he's thinking of it as, he's obviously a creative guy, but like, there's a business behind this.

• 1:29:17Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  McDonald's comes out with the McRib, what's Wendy's up to?

• 1:29:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:22Mark Gagnon?

  It was not far how he came up because on the mixtape scene, all he was doing was just taking people's song and then remix.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  Flipping them.

• 1:29:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, it's smart, but just, a lot, I don't think a lot of artists would admit that there was another song that was really hot. And they wanted to do a version to compete.

• 1:29:37Speaker 05

  So much insecurity. I started this. I made the whole flow. I created everything. Just to be like, look, this shit was fire and so we did our version.

• 1:29:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:45Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, 50's the man, bro.

• 1:29:46Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:29:47Mark Gagnon?

  He's really the man.

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  We need 50 on the pod.

• 1:29:49Speaker 05

  Bro, he scared me when he was going at the guy with the chain. That shit terrified.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  So a guy, a jeweler in New York.

• 1:29:55Mark Gagnon?

  Tracks NYC.

• 1:29:55Speaker 04

  Oh, Tracks. Oh, my God.

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  He, I didn't know this was a thing you can't do. I grew up in suburbs. I did not know it was a violation of blow.

• 1:30:04Speaker 04

  Tracks a wild boy too. Tell this whole story.

• 1:30:06Speaker 05

  Basically, 50 Cent gets a brand new chain.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  Tracks is a legendary, is a legendary New York City jeweler.

• 1:30:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:12Speaker 04

  Legendary and he has used social media brilliantly to build his brand. Like, he does these things that you can't not look at. It's amazing. He'll just like take gold bars and like hand them out to random people in the street.

• 1:30:25Speaker 05

  He'll hide them.

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  All over the city. He'll hide them and say, go find it like.

• 1:30:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:30:28Speaker 04

  He's really creative with his usage of social media as advertising for his business. Okay.

• 1:30:33Speaker 05

  But this thing terrified me, bro. So basically 50 Cent comes out with a brand new chain and he's like, yo, this is my new chain. He got it made by a specific jeweler that 50 always works with. And then Trax sees the chain and goes, hey, guys, uh, 50 has the sickest new chain. So I've made uh, basically a replica that I'm selling and you can buy them now.

• 1:30:48Speaker 04

  That's not exactly how it was.

• 1:30:49Speaker 05

  Is that not what happened?

• 1:30:50Speaker 04

  No, 50 had an iconic chain. And then Trax was like, yo, remember this 50 chain for we're selling these pieces. It was a Jesus piece.

• 1:30:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:59Speaker 04

  But I don't think 50 was like, yo, here are my new chains and he's selling.

• 1:31:02Speaker 05

  No, no, no. 50 just came out with a chain. It was like.

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  He's had it for, that's like an old chain.

• 1:31:05Speaker 05

  No, it was a cross.

• 1:31:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a cross, it's the piece.

• 1:31:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's a Jesus piece.

• 1:31:09Speaker 04

  But it's an old thing.

• 1:31:10Speaker 05

  That's like his iconic thing?

• 1:31:11Speaker 04

  Nah, it was a thing that he, I, I popularized, but I don't know if he did a brand deal with a jeweler specifically.

• 1:31:17Speaker 05

  It just, he got one made not by Trax, but just by a different jeweler.

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  I just want to set the record straight for what happened.

• 1:31:22Speaker 05

  And then Trax saw it was like, oh, this chain is fire.

• 1:31:25Speaker 04

  It was peace. It was a cross. Yeah.

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  And now I'm gonna make my own version of it.

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  And he's like, yo, here are the 50 Cent crosses, like.

• 1:31:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. And he, he used 50 Cent in the video.

• 1:31:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:35Speaker 04

  And 50 Cent just goes, uh, this was foolish. You're here for my lawyers or something like that. But then Trax takes a fucking duffel bag of golden platinum bars and goes to Queens. Goes to 50's neighborhood and starts handing them out. And 50 got so much love in the neighborhood still. Did some random street dudes just walk up to him while he's a neighbor and go, yo, you gotta get out of here.

• 1:31:59Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:31:59Speaker 04

  He's not even in the neighborhood anymore.

• 1:32:01Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  But the fact that they knew something, he's like, yo, you gotta get the fuck out of here.

• 1:32:05Speaker 05

  Is Trax the bravest guy in the world?

• 1:32:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know that he went and fought the, the watch dude that we hung out with in Ireland?

• 1:32:12Speaker 07

  What?

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  Nico?

• 1:32:13Speaker 07

  Oh, watch Nico, yeah.

• 1:32:15Speaker 04

  Like, he went out there and they fought.

• 1:32:17Speaker 05

  Why?

• 1:32:17Speaker 04

  Cause they were beefing over something. And he pulled up and they boxed. I'm telling you, this guy Trax is like an underrated self marketer. Like in New York City, we know him, but outside of New York, put it this way, you know how like now with, with the popularity of like watches? All the guys on 46th Street uh, start to really blow up the watch trading thing. It, it became a huge trend and they deserve all their success and it's amazing. And uh, but Trax before that was like a viral jewelry guy uh, in an area that we knew in the city.

• 1:32:53Speaker 04

  But I guess it wasn't, I don't know, how do you describe it?

• 1:32:56Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just saying, to make noise being on in the diamond district is crazy because it's like opening a shoe store and there's a thousand other shoe stores right next to you. So you have to be cutthroat, you have to market yourself better than everybody. You have to just do something different to stand out. He's been able to stand out. Greg Yuna is another one.

• 1:33:16Speaker 04

  Greg makes beautiful.

• 1:33:18Mark Gagnon?

  They've just done.

• 1:33:18Speaker 04

  Great marketing.

• 1:33:19Speaker 05

  Moses.

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  Moses the jeweler has been phenomenal. He's been phenomenal. And there's one more kid that I was talking to, oh fuck, he does some stuff with Moses.

• 1:33:29Speaker 05

  Benny?

• 1:33:30Speaker 04

  What's his name? Vukum, Vukum, Vukum. They've been phenomenal.

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  All I'm saying is 50 Cent comments on my post, this was foolish. You've taken a post down. I'm on probation, I'm on Young Thug time. I'm going to Malibu, 15 years you'll never hear about me.

• 1:33:43Mark Gagnon?

  The best. Trax will see that, he's like.

• 1:33:46Speaker 04

  He's like.

• 1:33:46Mark Gagnon?

  Let's go.

• 1:33:49Speaker 04

  Trax has some Vince McMahon. He's like, this is gonna be fun.

• 1:33:52Speaker 05

  That's terrifying.

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  He had several days to do it because 50 also said, I'm gonna need that by Monday, which is the scariest thing. I'm gonna need that by Monday.

• 1:33:59Speaker 05

  What does that even mean? I'm gonna need that, but me what?

• 1:34:04Speaker 04

  Because the famous battle that he got into was with the producer Randall Emmett. And it was the greatest reality show that's ever existed. This is fire, bro. Randall Emmett's a producer that was making all these indie movies with 50 Cent. And I think he just owed him a few hundred grand that he didn't get. And his wife was one of the chicks on Vanderpump Rules? Okay, so they got into it over something. And they got into it, there was just nothing. It was late at all. It was, but it was non-stop. And it was just like this guy.

• 1:34:35Speaker 05

  Just dirt about him?

• 1:34:37Speaker 04

  Dirt, posting the least flattering photos you've ever seen. He's coked up and shit, like, yeah. And then he would actually then post the calls of this guy, hey 50, please stop, please stop doing it. It was crazy. It was pure torture. And then he eventually got paid and.

• 1:34:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's terrifying. 50 Cent, Candace, gets a hold of you? Any one of them, you're done.

• 1:35:02Speaker 04

  50 or Candace, you don't want no problems, bro. I know Candace tweeted a little video of us saying, we don't want no problems. Just the fact that she tweeted a video of us, I was like.

• 1:35:12Speaker 05

  That was fucked. You get the notification.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  I said, no, no, not Candace.

• 1:35:23Speaker 04

  Nah, Candace, you gotta play around with. Don't play around with Candace, you don't play around with 50 Cent. Simple as that.

• 1:35:27Speaker 05

  That shit scared me, bro.

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. Hope you guys are having a great day. Hope you guys like the results of the election.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  What about Dr. Umar? What's he doing?

• 1:35:36Speaker 07

  Yo, what's up with that?

• 1:35:38Speaker 04

  I said we would donate the money. So, Dr. Umar, you gotta pay him to go on white podcasts.

• 1:35:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:35:43Speaker 05

  Respect.

• 1:35:44Speaker 07

  I love that.

• 1:35:45Speaker 04

  And black podcasts, shit. You gotta get paid.

• 1:35:48Speaker 05

  He gotta get paid.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  But whatever. And so I said I would do it. I was like, yeah, we'll give you, we'll donate the money to the school.

• 1:35:56Mark Gagnon?

  At first, and then?

• 1:35:59Speaker 04

  We're waiting for the, for the deal. We never got the deal.

• 1:36:02Mark Gagnon?

  And then he said he only wants to go on if it's just you.

• 1:36:04Speaker 04

  Oh, that was right. That's right.

• 1:36:05Speaker 07

  Did he, did we ever follow up about, it's not like a gotcha thing? We just wanna?

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  That's, I think-

• 1:36:10Mark Gagnon?

  We did.

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  The perception of it is, I think he believes that we're gonna debate. I don't think that he realizes-

• 1:36:16Speaker 05

  We're gonna endorse him. There's gonna be a lot of agreeance.

• 1:36:19Speaker 04

  This is like the pyramids. Like, just tell me whatever you think about the world.

• 1:36:24Speaker 07

  Colonizer, enslaver, and occupier. I just want more of those.

• 1:36:30Speaker 04

  All your acronyms. I am so ready to have some fun. But the boys gotta be here. It's no fun if it's just- But he thinks that we're gonna gang up on them. I assume that's what the concern is.

• 1:36:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:36:40Speaker 05

  Probably.

• 1:36:41Speaker 04

  So, Dr. Umar, that is not what's gonna happen. We just wanna have some fun. My brother.

• 1:36:45Speaker 05

  Come in peace.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  My brother in melanin. My brother in Christ in melanin.

• 1:36:50Mark Gagnon?

  I gotta give his number to Duff. I think Duff can pull it off.

• 1:36:52Speaker 04

  You think? What does he think about the, um, the dreidels? Yeah, what does he think about the dreidels?

• 1:36:56Speaker 07

  I have a feeling he'll like them.

• 1:36:57Speaker 05

  He probably loves them, fuck, I guess. I think he's a huge fan.

• 1:37:01Mark Gagnon?

  Let's go with that.

• 1:37:02Speaker 04

  Do my best, but yeah, give me some-

• 1:37:08Mark Gagnon?

  Fast talk him, buzzwords, I think would be good. Yeah, buzzwords.

• 1:37:11Speaker 04

  Listen, Dr. Umar, we love you, we want you on, but you gotta come hang with the boys, okay? We support whatever your agenda is, whatever your geopolitical agenda is, whatever your emotional agenda, whatever your agenda is, just know that we are huge fans, we support it, and we love it over here, okay?

• 1:37:28Mark Gagnon?

  No bunny hopping.

• 1:37:29Speaker 04

  No bunny hopping. Oh, we don't believe in bunny hopping over here. Shout out to the butter creams, shout out to the vanilla creams, shout out to the pecan, the brownies, the caramels. Like, you describe women's skin in the most amazing poetic way. We want those descriptions over here, okay? Shout out to Autumn.

• 1:37:50Speaker 04

  We want you on a pod, but we gotta end this pod right now. God bless you. God bless all of you. Welcome to the next golden age of America. Let's fucking go.

• 1:38:01Speaker 05

  Inshallah.

• 1:38:02Speaker 04

  Inshallah.

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