Husband with Da HEAVIES, Ye Banned for Jew Hate, + Summer House is Wrestling for Women | #699

YERRR – the boys are back on their fitness arc, but it quickly turns into pure chaos. – Peptides, “The Final Fat,” and everyone suddenly getting in shape – Belly button hygiene, heightmaxxing & red light district stories – Ye getting banned, big game hunting & white boredom – SummerHouse DRAMA explained by an expert All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 0:00 The Final Fat + AquaMark 10:30 Everyone’s in shape + Narrow lead 16:16 Covering up, Peptides + Alexx’s insta 21:51 Riri, Kristi Noem’s husband kink + Bateman 26:43 Smelly belly buttons, Spanish fitness + Ladybwoys 33:49 Red Light district, Bully + Heightmaxxing 36:58 Druski skit, Whites down bad + Asians are white 44:50 Nuclear football, Counter strike? Wild animal lovers 52:28 Big game hunting + White boredom 58:03 Ye banned from Wireless + SoFi performances 1:06:36 Kalshi streak 1:11:43 Summer House + Amanda/West Dramz 1:50:45 When did it start? It’s so gauche + IT’S REAL TO ME 2:02:30 It might not be real… + Never trust Adult Blonds 2:07:19 Where is it? Paige DeSorbo + Andy Cohen = Dr Phil? 2:12:00 Needing ATTENTION + We need escape 2:20:46 Live Reunion Show, Predatory + Easy win with GFs 2:26:00 Single women in their 30s + TEAM AMANDA 2:32:10 Alexx is CRAZY, Strangers + Most Moral to Least This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  What's up everybody and welcome to Flagrant. It's your boy Schultz, Alex Media, Marky Gags.

• 0:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 0:06Speaker 00

  In the building and um.

• 0:08Speaker 02

  And Miles Media.

• 0:09Speaker 00

  Oh, sorry, Miles Media. Miles Media. Miles Media is in here.

• 0:13Speaker 02

  That's a good point.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  Give yourself a drop. Give yourself a drop one time.

• 0:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's go. Fuck. I mean, come on, bro.

• 0:22Speaker 00

  That's why I didn't say it. That's why I didn't say it. He wasn't ready to in his moment, bro.

• 0:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 0:26Speaker 02

  Come on, dude.

• 0:26Speaker 00

  Um, what you're asking and shout to Robert Kelly because he had a whole special, I think, named after this.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  Yes, the final fat.

• 0:32Speaker 00

  The final fat.

• 0:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:34Speaker 00

  Robert Kelly hilarious comedian, but uh, but yeah, you asked me if I'm getting to this point where I'm like, I'm not gonna lose the weight again.

• 0:40Speaker 02

  Hmm. You were a young. You gained weight. You were just like, yeah, I got to a point where I've gained a couple pounds.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  It's the point where it's like, if I have pizza, it's like a two week stint.

• 0:49Speaker 02

  Of pizza?

• 0:50Speaker 00

  No, it's like it stays on me for weeks. I used to have like, I used to be like, when I was a kid, it was like three shits, I'd be back in shape.

• 0:58Mark Gagnon?

  How do you keep telling this lie? You've never been in shape. I'm sorry.

• 1:02Speaker 00

  You had a pic.

• 1:03Mark Gagnon?

  But never like you used to think you had abs at a certain point.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  There's one picture of him. He's in the towel. It's like kind of blurry. It's like super far away.

• 1:11Speaker 00

  Fuck you.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  No, I'm backing you up. I'm backing you up. There is a picture.

• 1:15Speaker 00

  The time when you.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  It's blurry and far away. It was a different time. It was the 1900s. It was, it's typical.

• 1:19Mark Gagnon?

  The time when you were on the island with uh, Duval and no shirt, it was just like no arms and you like flexing.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  This is a New York.

• 1:27Mark Gagnon?

  Like, I don't know who looked worse, him or Duval, and Duval looks like an alien.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  New York white dude.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  Yo, Duval, you gonna take that, bro?

• 1:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:34Speaker 00

  You gonna take that from him?

• 1:35Speaker 02

  I don't go sign that. I don't go sign that.

• 1:37Speaker 00

  You gonna let him talk to you like that, bro? Come over here and smack the shit out of him with one of your chonkles.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, painted nails and opinions.

• 1:43Speaker 00

  He got, this guy got painted nails and opinions. It's disgusting.

• 1:46Mark Gagnon?

  Deflection.

• 1:46Speaker 00

  Um, nah, bro.

• 1:48Mark Gagnon?

  You look good now. I was just giving you a compliment.

• 1:50Speaker 00

  I'm not taking no compliments.

• 1:51Mark Gagnon?

  And then you just started saying he looks like shit.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  I didn't say that. I do think.

• 1:55Speaker 00

  Can we start the problem with positivity? Can we try that?

• 1:57Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:57Mark Gagnon?

  I tried to.

• 1:58Speaker 00

  Hi, everybody. Hello. My name is Andrew. I'm here with Alex. I'm here with Mark. We're also here with Miles. And we're just gonna start out by saying one nice thing about each other.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:08Speaker 00

  All right.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  You start. Okay. That was a diss kind of like.

• 2:14Speaker 00

  Did anybody pick that up?

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Did anybody pick that up? Probably, Miles, can you?

• 2:18Speaker 00

  Okay, I, I'm sorry, okay, I think you look better with less muscles.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Okay, see, no, that, cause that's an insult.

• 2:26Speaker 00

  Why?

• 2:27Speaker 02

  You're framing like it's a good thing. I don't think I've lost less, I don't think I've lost muscle.

• 2:31Speaker 00

  You got, you were like, you were Aquaman for a minute, dude. No, no, there was a moment where you were like really beefy and like strong.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  I talked to Chad, he was here and said that I still have the strength, I just need to lose weight.

• 2:42Speaker 00

  What have you cut out? You've cut out exercise to be like?

• 2:46Speaker 02

  I had a kid, and then.

• 2:48Mark Gagnon?

  It's like heroin chic, but you don't look like the heroin has hit yet.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  I'm coming off a shoulder injury.

• 2:54Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like, it's just chic. Just chic, yeah, there you go.

• 2:59Speaker 00

  No, but you miraculously.

• 3:00Mark Gagnon?

  The heroin's close.

• 3:01Speaker 00

  You've lost, you've lost how much pow, how many pounds of muscle?

• 3:06Speaker 02

  No, I've gained, I've gained muscle, probably. You just can't see it cause I'm bulking.

• 3:10Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, come on, East, you shouldn't lie.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  I'm bulking.

• 3:13Mark Gagnon?

  Like, it's too close.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  I'm concerned about, uh, weather that will like expose my body. Like, I, I, like, I'm wearing like hoodies to the gym and shit and they'll be like 60 and I'll be like, I'm keeping this motherfucker on.

• 3:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 3:27Speaker 00

  Cause it's like if I got a tight shirt on, you're gonna start to see the belly.

• 3:30Mark Gagnon?

  Are you gonna do t-shirt in the pool or something?

• 3:32Speaker 00

  No, I can't.

• 3:33Mark Gagnon?

  If you, if you could.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  I will, I'll do it. I'll push you in if you want.

• 3:36Mark Gagnon?

  You gonna be like, duh?

• 3:37Speaker 02

  I'll, I'll, I'll push you in. And then if you're like, why are you wearing a shirt? Nah, someone pushed me in.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  Dove has so much confidence with the worse body. It's like, he has huge fat tits and hips. That motherfucker.

• 3:52Mark Gagnon?

  He's like the women he did.

• 3:53Speaker 00

  He looked like he could do one of, one of those dances that his people do?

• 3:57Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, the belly dance.

• 3:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, like he's built like a belly dancer.

• 4:00Mark Gagnon?

  But he doesn't shake, it just shakes.

• 4:01Speaker 00

  Oh my god, but he's so confident about it.

• 4:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's awesome.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  He looked good.

• 4:06Speaker 00

  I wanna say something nice about you.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:08Speaker 00

  Okay? I like your, um, metal, I like your like, uh, Harley Davidson inspired WTF Media merch.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:17Mark Gagnon?

  Thank you.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  I assume it's Harley inspired? Or biker gang inspired?

• 4:22Mark Gagnon?

  Godspeed. It's a brand that they have graphic tees similar to this.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  And what do you think they're inspired by, you fucking idiot?

• 4:32Mark Gagnon?

  That's not the only design they do.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  That was five seconds before an insult.

• 4:39Speaker 00

  I was trying to be positive. Well, that's awesome that you did the godspeed thing. That's really good. And I like it.

• 4:44Mark Gagnon?

  Black brand, you know.

• 4:45Speaker 00

  Is it?

• 4:46Mark Gagnon?

  Like to copy black brands.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  You know. Are you giving them a piece? So you're just ripping off, you're ripping off other black brands. I got it. Okay.

• 4:55Mark Gagnon?

  I've got in 2026, we can lie now.

• 4:58Speaker 00

  How far, how far off are we from like a micro doo- doosing, micro doosing, micro dosing?

• 5:05Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, I'm like.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  A, the fat drug.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Oh, close.

• 5:10Mark Gagnon?

  GLP-1? He's on it already.

• 5:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, the GLP-1. Why, why, why, why isn't that the inception of the drug? I don't want to take away my whole appetite. I don't want to change everything. Take away dessert. Take away bread.

• 5:22Mark Gagnon?

  You're not on it yet?

• 5:24Speaker 02

  No, but I'm so close to doing all the drugs. We're.

• 5:26Speaker 00

  Guys, guys, let me tell you something. Let me tell you.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  I'm about to be a peptide king.

• 5:30Speaker 00

  To be 40 years old and to have children, I don't know a single guy that is my age that is not bring up peptides within the first three minutes of every conversation.

• 5:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's gonna kill us all.

• 5:41Speaker 00

  Do you think?

• 5:42Mark Gagnon?

  I'm on the NAD.

• 5:43Speaker 00

  You are on the NAD?

• 5:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  I just don't think it's free, bro.

• 5:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not free. Neither is alcohol, neither is coffee.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 5:50Mark Gagnon?

  Neither is heroin.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm not on heroin, alright?

• 5:53Speaker 00

  I'm not on heroin. I think you're, no, no, no. It's not heroin.

• 5:56Mark Gagnon?

  What is it?

• 5:56Speaker 00

  But it's, this is the most, if, if we can be the most insulting to Mark, it's you've lost all of your gains.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  You've gained so much. Dude, I was gained.

• 6:08Speaker 00

  You need to get a picture of, of his gains, dude. Wait, there is a picture of him coming out of the pool.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is like, this is like.

• 6:14Mark Gagnon?

  When he peaked just for 4th of July.

• 6:15Speaker 00

  Goodness!

• 6:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, this is like 2018, Mark, when he couldn't do a pull-up.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 6:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  You're back in Pittsburgh when he can't do the, he can't do the monkey bar.

• 6:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  That's what happened.

• 6:25Mark Gagnon?

  That killed you, bro.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  We're going in cycles, bro.

• 6:27Speaker 00

  What company is gonna sell the GLP-1, the fat shots, where it just takes, what if it could take away specific meals?

• 6:36Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  Bread. Make me not like bread.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  It made sugar taste bad. What, imagine that.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  Isn't that, isn't that what I'm saying?

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Yes, and, yes, and.

• 6:44Speaker 00

  Oh, yes, and, yes.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  What is this? Don't post this.

• 6:48Speaker 00

  Brother?

• 6:48Mark Gagnon?

  Oh!

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Hey, I didn't say that.

• 6:51Speaker 00

  That, that did not come from me.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  What does it mean?

• 6:53Mark Gagnon?

  Is this fucking nano banana?

• 6:58Mark Gagnon?

  Don't talk about my penis like that.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  David had this queued up and just sent it to me immediately.

• 7:02Mark Gagnon?

  David is so gay.

• 7:03Speaker 00

  I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be dead serious right now. Is that you?

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Yes, that's me from before I had a child.

• 7:10Mark Gagnon?

  No, but this is a real picture.

• 7:11Speaker 00

  That's a real image or is that a ChatGPT image?

• 7:14Mark Gagnon?

  It's a real image.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  You have fallen.

• 7:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, yeah, I know.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  No, no, honestly. David's so gay. That's a perfect body.

• 7:21Mark Gagnon?

  It's just David's background on his phone.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  That's a perfect body.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Before and after.

• 7:24Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't know you declined this much.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  No, I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna, I'm gonna circle back on that.

• 7:28Speaker 00

  That's not.

• 7:29Mark Gagnon?

  Look at him on the roid. You see all the fucking veins and shit popping out, son?

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Mark, that's not, be honest. Is that ChatGPT or not?

• 7:36Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, he was on the test right here.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Unfortunately, that was me.

• 7:38Mark Gagnon?

  He was on the test.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  That was me in my glory days.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  Holy moly.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  What happened?

• 7:42Speaker 00

  I don't think I ever had that.

• 7:44Mark Gagnon?

  He was on the test? A little test?

• 7:45Speaker 02

  No. No, you can't, cause that shit makes your balls hurt.

• 7:47Mark Gagnon?

  You're mad vascular, bro. Crazy vascular. No, but not the good cut.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  Oh, not the good cut.

• 7:54Mark Gagnon?

  That's like the Chris Bonwha or whatever his name is.

• 7:57Speaker 00

  That shit made me uncomfortable.

• 7:58Mark Gagnon?

  No, but the type that like you about to kill your wife and shit like that and off yourself, right? Right before.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  No, no, cause Ben Wha never had a body like that.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Yes, he did.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  This is, he's like an action figure. Like this is an insane body.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what happens when you have kids. It just all falls apart. My, my literal thought was like, I wanna get in shape one time before I never get in shape again.

• 8:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, why you blaming your kids, bro?

• 8:19Speaker 00

  It's supposed to be the happiest body you'll live.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  It's a trade. It's a trade. It's a trade, bro. I'm telling you. If there's.

• 8:26Speaker 00

  You've always had this before kids.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I never had this.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  Yes, you did.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  I never had this.

• 8:31Speaker 00

  Yo, I'm telling you.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  So my belt.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  You've never had that.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  My belt is made of leather, right?

• 8:34Speaker 00

  You've never looked like this in your life.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Can I make this point? My belt is made of leather, okay? Leather stretches. Like, you know how you have a belt?

• 8:42Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  For a year, it no longer fits you.

• 8:45Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  This shit fits perfect.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  I haven't even moved a notch.

• 8:51Mark Gagnon?

  You're stretching with it.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  I'm stretching with the belt. Look at that.

• 8:54Speaker 00

  Like, do you think this is?

• 8:57Speaker 02

  That's in good shape.

• 8:58Mark Gagnon?

  Did you just see the picture before?

• 9:00Speaker 00

  Can we just, hold on, hold on. I know you, I know you're making your point here, but that's good shape and I'm having a king cake in New Orleans. Like, that's good shape.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  It's good.

• 9:09Speaker 00

  I would die to have that back. I would do anything to have that body.

• 9:13Mark Gagnon?

  Can you put this side by side with fucking Wolverine Mark for a second?

• 9:16Speaker 00

  No, no, I'm not saying I'm Mark. I'm not saying I'm Mark.

• 9:20Mark Gagnon?

  Like, that's good shape.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  Yo, Mark, you could get nutted in.

• 9:26Mark Gagnon?

  I don't lie, Mark.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  Mark, you can get nutty in here.

• 9:29Mark Gagnon?

  I know, real talk.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  Whoa, Mark.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Don't say that, don't say that.

• 9:32Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  What if I have a lighter?

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Boom, boom, boom.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Stop, don't stop nutting me metaphorically, no.

• 9:40Speaker 00

  Holy shit, I'm trying to put some ice skates on you, Mark.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  What is that? Okay, no.

• 9:44Speaker 00

  Mark, that body is crazy.

• 9:47Mark Gagnon?

  This is like that rivalry, the hockey show right there, you got one of those.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Okay, for the record, I just wanted to say something.

• 9:53Mark Gagnon?

  I'll try and like binge watch that show, get the fuck out of here. Hey, what a hell, I don't even know the name of it.

• 9:58Speaker 00

  Fuck out of here.

• 9:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also, for the record, my 13-year-old nephew has started listening to this program.

• 10:04Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:05Speaker 02

  Cause like, he talked to me when I was down in Florida, he was like, by the way.

• 10:08Speaker 00

  What's his name?

• 10:08Mark Gagnon?

  Washed, bro.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  I don't wanna say, I don't wanna say his name, I can't say his name. That's the family, it's a child.

• 10:13Speaker 00

  Is he a Gagnon?

• 10:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:14Speaker 00

  Alright, young Gagnon, your uncle could get nutty in here.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  Okay, no, I know.

• 10:18Mark Gagnon?

  No, he could, he's back in the day.

• 10:20Speaker 00

  Your uncle could catch the full load.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  This is inappropriate.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  And you keep pumping, you don't even stop.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  I was gonna ask.

• 10:26Speaker 00

  Full load, keep pumping, until there's nothing left. What the fuck? So everyone's in shape? So everybody's trying to be in shape? So ev- so we only got one picture of me with a king cake?

• 10:40Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just saying.

• 10:41Speaker 00

  That's the only pictures we have is me with a king cake?

• 10:44Speaker 02

  Tom, what is this post? Does Alex Media ever really have 9.5 inches?

• 10:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 10:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, baby.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  What's the next, click over.

• 10:54Speaker 00

  Yo, stay right there, though.

• 10:55Mark Gagnon?

  And you see the difference between non-steroid four-oh and steroid four-oh?

• 11:00Speaker 00

  Go back, go back, go back, go back, go back. Damn, you look so short.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  You are so short, it don't even count you're in shape.

• 11:06Mark Gagnon?

  I can take that, cause if your, if your peak, if your peak was that bad, bro.

• 11:12Speaker 02

  Now you're falling off dramatically.

• 11:13Speaker 00

  Al, for real, you can't, show Al without Logan, because then he looks like a normal-sized person. You look miniature in that one.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Can you zoom in?

• 11:22Speaker 00

  Look how close your tits are to your belly button, that's not normal. You shouldn't have that little distance between, can you put your nipple in your belly button?

• 11:30Mark Gagnon?

  Uh, I know it sucks that you've never looked good, it must suck.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  Son, I'm married, I got kids.

• 11:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, so what about before?

• 11:38Speaker 00

  That's a face swap, too. You don't have that type of chin.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:42Speaker 00

  Look at that, that guy's in good shape.

• 11:44Mark Gagnon?

  Look at that, bro.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  That guy's in good shape.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Who's happier, you think?

• 11:48Speaker 00

  Son, I look like one of them, one of them whales that will catch a rugby ball. Have you seen the guy's Baluga? Baluga? Yeah.

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, get a Baluga monster.

• 12:00Speaker 00

  Damn, bro. I want to say it's because I got kids, but I didn't have any back then. I had no excuse to not be in shape. We all had the same exact time to work out. God damn, Al, you were in good shape. Mark looks better objectively.

• 12:12Mark Gagnon?

  Let's go. Yeah, but that's right. That's right.

• 12:14Speaker 00

  But he also has a better pose. You're posing too flat.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  You don't got to bring up the picture to Baluga. Jogi?

• 12:21Speaker 00

  Jogi, Jogi, Googie Balugas, man. Come on, we know what it looks like. Now you can bring it up, bring it up. Let me see. Let me see what it looks like.

• 12:31Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, Mark, you used to look good, though.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's just, and that's just, you put it up on the wall and you say, alright, that was me. You show your kid.

• 12:38Mark Gagnon?

  I ain't even know where he was at.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Do Baluga abs. Have you seen how jagged the Baluga is? They're in unbelievably good shape. Yeah, bro, look, look at that.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  Lowkey, that looks like me on the, on the bed with the king kane.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  And that's my forehead, bro. Is that great?

• 12:55Speaker 02

  That's a perfect.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  Damn, Mark. Oh. How long did it take? Damn, Mark. Yo. I might even clean you up after.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Stop, stop.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  I might even, I'll be like, yo, go fart that out.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  My nephew's watching this, bro.

• 13:13Speaker 00

  You got the wet towel by the bedside. Yo, fart that out, fam.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Literally, my nephew's watching this. That's inappropriate.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  Yo, Gagnon's nephew, your, your uncle had it, bro.

• 13:23Mark Gagnon?

  He used to.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Had, best thing.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  That's crazy. And you know when he did it, you did this when wifey was pregnant, right?

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  So when his wife was at her fattest, this is what he looked like. You're a son of a bitch.

• 13:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's funny.

• 13:36Speaker 00

  This is my only window to do it.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  This is my only chance to do it.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  Nah, that's rude, bro. I at least gained weight with my wife. That's love. That's love. Thank you. That's love and solidarity.

• 13:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 13:48Mark Gagnon?

  You're like, while you're your fattest, I'm gonna look.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 13:51Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, that's bad.

• 13:53Speaker 00

  I think I got body dysmorphia the other way, man.

• 13:56Mark Gagnon?

  You got the dub thing, bro.

• 13:58Speaker 00

  I think.

• 13:59Mark Gagnon?

  You think you look better than you do.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  Son, when me and Dove sat next to each other, stood next to each other for this exact pick, I, in my mind, I was like, we're looking at two different human beings.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Like, I literally was like, how could Dove even think that he's even close to me? It's closer than you think.

• 14:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, that's what I've been trying to tell you.

• 14:22Speaker 00

  No, that's, that's the straight of ore moves right there, bro. I don't know if you can tell me, that's really close.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very narrow.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  That's a narrow fucking lead I had. I had a lead at least.

• 14:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  But it was narrower.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then Dove's a tan.

• 14:37Mark Gagnon?

  You have a chin though, so you're good.

• 14:39Speaker 00

  No, Dove's face card wins. You got a great face card.

• 14:44Speaker 00

  I was in good shape back then.

• 14:46Mark Gagnon?

  Come on.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  I was in good shape back then.

• 14:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you had a tan. I'll give you that.

• 14:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is.

• 14:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  Alright, man, we got it, bro. We got it. We got it, we got it, we got it. Can I live?

• 14:58Mark Gagnon?

  How you got love handles?

• 14:59Speaker 00

  Can I fucking live? Can I live? No, no, I don't got the handles. I didn't have handles back then. I didn't have handles.

• 15:05Mark Gagnon?

  You had the V cut with love handles.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  That didn't have handles. Nah, I had the V cut. My V is so strong.

• 15:10Mark Gagnon?

  Go back to Dove.

• 15:15Speaker 00

  Oh, I have love handles. Fuck outta here, bro. That's a V cut, dumbass. That's a V cut.

• 15:22Mark Gagnon?

  You have to grab it where it cuts.

• 15:24Speaker 00

  No, Dove, Dove, Dove is blocking his handle. That's a V cut, dumbass.

• 15:29Mark Gagnon?

  Comes out, it's protrude.

• 15:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz I have a muscle there from paddle.

• 15:33Mark Gagnon?

  Where?

• 15:33Speaker 00

  That's from paddle, that's from getting down for them fucking shots, the little Vebra.

• 15:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Panama, volley.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  You got a paddle gun.

• 15:41Speaker 00

  Now, you too lean, bro. That's insanity right there. You can't take a punch. I could take a punch better than y'all.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  We gotta get back to that. How are we gonna get back to that?

• 15:51Speaker 00

  We not, we not, we not.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  No, we.

• 15:52Mark Gagnon?

  You're doing it that time.

• 15:53Speaker 00

  Think I look good right now? We don't have children. If you are in shape and you don't have children, it doesn't count.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:59Speaker 00

  It's not impressive. Yeah, like, what excuse do you have? Imagine being fat with no kids.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, for what?

• 16:06Speaker 00

  What is your excuse, Miles?

• 16:07Speaker 02

  It's fucking lit, dude.

• 16:09Speaker 00

  What is your excuse?

• 16:10Speaker 02

  I have no excuses. I also have no shame. This shit rules.

• 16:13Mark Gagnon?

  I wish I didn't have that. Like, I mean, I wish I had that.

• 16:16Speaker 00

  That confidence.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  I only eat like shit and I'll wear a shirt to bed cuz I'm embarrassed.

• 16:19Speaker 00

  Son, I did that last night. I did it last night.

• 16:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, same.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  I did it last night.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  Cause I don't wanna see myself like that.

• 16:28Speaker 00

  I told my wife it was because the window was open, it wasn't. It's because I had so much bread all day and had pizza from four days ago, it's still hanging on my tits.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  You feel so gross.

• 16:42Mark Gagnon?

  Winnie the Pooh situation.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  I gotta cover up. A certain box and I'm sleeping like my girl.

• 16:49Speaker 00

  I'm getting on a GLP, I just want a little one, cut sugar out.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, imagine they have that.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Get it off sugar, except for alcohol.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Well, there's a bunch of peptides, reta is one of them.

• 16:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, the ratatouille they're calling it.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  They are calling it the ratatouille.

• 17:01Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really?

• 17:02Speaker 00

  That's what they're calling it.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  That's what the looks maxes are calling it, the ratatouille.

• 17:05Speaker 00

  Really?

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Cause you got a little mouth.

• 17:06Speaker 00

  It's ratatouille tied, right?

• 17:07Speaker 02

  You're tapped in with them? I didn't know you were tapped in like that.

• 17:09Speaker 00

  I didn't know you acknowledged. I didn't know.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Alright, y'all.

• 17:13Mark Gagnon?

  I learned this one.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  Look at, why would I even take that picture?

• 17:22Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know, bro. I remember when you put it, I was like, alright, he's a comedian, I guess he's going for the funny.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Back up on Al's old bullshit post, him standing in front of a car he didn't own.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  I hated when Al did that.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  You faker, wait a minute, hold on, you took a picture in front of a car you didn't own?

• 17:43Speaker 03

  This is my car, what are you talking about?

• 17:45Speaker 02

  No, there was one.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  No, there's one for, and then the caption would be like, man, my dreams are like clouds, hi.

• 17:52Speaker 00

  You used to have little Wayne versus with the N word in them.

• 17:58Speaker 00

  Don't get sensitive, Al, this shit right here, you take dick in your mouth. Look at that picture.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  That was wild crazy.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  Why you got your ankle up on a car bumper, bro?

• 18:08Speaker 03

  Who's car is it?

• 18:09Speaker 00

  I really was like, yo. The outfit goes with the car.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  That's the extent of your fashion?

• 18:18Mark Gagnon?

  It's the colors, it's matching colors.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  Nothing else is affected out all of the zone.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Now, we gotta go to old Al's Instagram. Go to old Al's Instagram. You need to see like, and then we, we need you to see what we see.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:39Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, let's go. Let's go. I'm a little afraid right now.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  With some distance, cause you called it out years ago where you were like, yeah, why you never look at the camera?

• 18:48Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  And picture like you were doing your little fashion shit where you're like looking off into the distance.

• 18:53Mark Gagnon?

  I was nervous. Good. Don't load. All right.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Would you delete old photos?

• 18:57Mark Gagnon?

  No, I don't think so. You just have to scroll along though.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Oh, this is gonna take a while.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  It's gonna take a while.

• 19:02Mark Gagnon?

  I put a lot of.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, he'll find it. He'll find it. You never did look at the camera though for years. For years, you were just.

• 19:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I was, you know, not as comfortable. Excuse me. No, I'm gonna die just now.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  What, what happened right there?

• 19:18Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I just see a little phlegm or whatever, but nah, I just wasn't comfortable taking pictures before.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Here's a great.

• 19:24Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't like it. I still actually don't like it.

• 19:26Speaker 00

  But then why were you taking them?

• 19:28Mark Gagnon?

  Cause I thought that's what you have to do for Instagram.

• 19:33Speaker 00

  Nah, that's badass.

• 19:34Mark Gagnon?

  That's fire.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  That's fire. That shit was sick.

• 19:36Mark Gagnon?

  See? Give me some shit.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Is that the, I think there's a bike that, uh.

• 19:40Mark Gagnon?

  Shifty almost died on?

• 19:42Speaker 02

  I think Shifty got struck on that day.

• 19:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  Oh, no. Oh, no. Yo, shout out Shifty, man.

• 19:49Mark Gagnon?

  Shifty, we love you, man.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  Shifty the last, we love you, my boy.

• 19:53Mark Gagnon?

  Free Shifty.

• 19:54Speaker 00

  Free.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Joe, I sent you one.

• 19:56Speaker 00

  Free Shifty.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're gonna get it back.

• 19:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, Miles, why you working so hard to help Joey right now?

• 20:03Speaker 00

  No, no, we need you.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  Nah, this is crazy.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Let's get a caption.

• 20:07Speaker 00

  Let's get a caption.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  A nine to five is how you survive. I'm not trying to survive. I'm trying to live to the limit and live a lot.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  We used to have to see this every fucking day.

• 20:19Mark Gagnon?

  Jay-Z lyric in front of my own car. This is fly. Y'all ain't gonna shame me for this one.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  I stand on this one. I wanna read some of the comments gassing you up. This is like, yo, tell them folk living lavish, still grunting like I'm broke. Black excellence.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  That's a flick. Why a flick? Guys, quick tour update. Um, finally, after a year and a half, we're getting back out there on the road. I'm very excited. Uh, we, we posted a couple cities. We posted Tampa and Salt Lake, man. Thank you guys so much for selling out those shows. Uh, anybody who reached out, you know, asking if we're gonna add more shows in those cities. It is possible if we do, I'll make sure I post on my Instagram or something like that. But thank you so much. We just added Denver and Virginia Beach as well. I'm sure we'll add some more, uh, cities coming up as we, you know, start to put together this, this, this next hour, man, and figure out what this tour is gonna be like. So I'm excited to come see you guys once again. Uh, I'll probably post on my Instagram if we're adding more shows or most cities coming up.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  But, uh, theandreshultz.com if you wanna grab tickets for those places. Mark, what you got?

• 21:27Speaker 02

  April 23rd, Providence, Rhode Island.

• 21:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, baby.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, comedy connection. And then, uh, thanks, Al. And then Plano, Texas, uh, later this year, mic drop in Chandler, Pasadena, California, San Diego and Detroit, as well as the monthly show that I do with my good pal, David Sanchez and Joey Avery at Mary Lutz's called Static Cat. That is on April 28th, April 28th, yes. And that's it for me.

• 21:51Speaker 04

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• 22:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, would you take peptides?

• 22:22Speaker 00

  Would I?

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Okay. All right. Well, why would you not? Like, what stopped me right now?

• 22:25Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Really? What?

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Al's got a picture with Rihanna?

• 22:30Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 22:31Mark Gagnon?

  Sorry.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  You took a fake pic with Rihanna?

• 22:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Are you fucking kidding me? Wait, hold on. Go down. No, Joey. Joey, keep going, keep going. A little more, and?

• 22:40Mark Gagnon?

  There you go.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  Oh, babe.

• 22:41Mark Gagnon?

  It was April Fools, I think.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Look at the exact date.

• 22:48Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, she shares the birthday as my mom. Alright, that's why. Yeah, I was running. Fun for the grand, bro. That's a, that's a great ass Photoshop, though.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  It was April Fools.

• 22:59Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, and then this is the time where you told them to put dicks on my Instagram. So far, for about a year.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  It's my fault?

• 23:08Mark Gagnon?

  For a year, I was getting eggplants and people were sending me dick pics.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 23:13Mark Gagnon?

  Because y'all said that on the podcast.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 23:16Mark Gagnon?

  Al, Al.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  I thought it was April Fools. It was April Fools, bro.

• 23:20Mark Gagnon?

  I thought it was, it was something.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  The knee jerk reaction. That picture is from 476 weeks ago. Al's knee jerk reaction. Oh, no, that was April Fools.

• 23:31Mark Gagnon?

  I thought it was something. I knew I did it for a reason. But I guess just to, you know, get my shit off.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Damn. February 20th. Yeah. Black history, man. It was black history.

• 23:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and people expect it on April Fools. You do on February 20th, who sees that one? Yo, can we?

• 23:48Mark Gagnon?

  Shut up, Mark.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  No, I'm agreeing with you. I'm bailing you out. Can we, can we free?

• 23:52Mark Gagnon?

  That's a fine picture, though.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Can we free Kristi Noem's husband real quick? Can we just free him real fast? Is that? Yeah, get some, get some pics up, dude.

• 24:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I gotta stop shaming this guy, bro.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  I look like him. When he, when I saw that picture of him with the titties, I was like, this is me in the mirror now. Like, that's what I look like. That's why I'm putting on that t-shirt before I go to bed. Them nipples is like Casper tell eye.

• 24:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, that's funny. That's funny.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  Can you explain to me what this absolute saint is doing?

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Oh, poor guy.

• 24:28Mark Gagnon?

  And what type of new phrase is that with the face? Like, is that some type of mogan?

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Binboification.

• 24:34Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, but like the clavicular sayings. Like, what? Does that have a name for that type of face when somebody's doing that face?

• 24:41Speaker 02

  That face?

• 24:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  No.

• 24:42Mark Gagnon?

  No? Frame mogan or some shit like that?

• 24:44Speaker 00

  Duck lips maxin?

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, he might be duck maxin'. He might be DSL maxin'.

• 24:48Speaker 00

  DSL maxin', yeah.

• 24:49Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 24:49Speaker 00

  So what's the deal? Like, he's just into crossdressing and that's? And he's being shamed for this?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's into this. This is kind of his, like, his little kink. And apparently, this has been going on for a long time. He's married to Kristi Noem, former head of the DHS. Did you hear that? Is it Jumanji back there?

• 25:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, we just, they're doing some construction.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  They're constructing something.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  It just sounds not part of our studio.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Good cadence.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Part of something else.

• 25:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. That does sound like my pump. I was like, I'm right here. Yeah, they got my rhythm down. Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  But then you're like, wait, I'm not fucking.

• 25:23Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not fucking right here.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  You short-stroked.

• 25:26Mark Gagnon?

  Who's playing my shit? You went too far back.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Somebody playing my hit.

• 25:32Mark Gagnon?

  I was like, that's on my grams too, fuck.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  Man, this is how it feels to be your neighbor, bro. Isn't that crazy? Think about that. Al, you're short-stroking?

• 25:40Mark Gagnon?

  This is like towards the end, when you're...

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Yo, do you try to like, like, slow and do all the rhythm and all that kind of stuff?

• 25:48Speaker 02

  It depends how I look.

• 25:49Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just trying to last.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  If I look like Brian here, then no. But if I'm looking like old Beluga Morris?

• 25:54Speaker 00

  Were you fuck different when you were in really great shape?

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so. You kind of feel yourself, you know, you got, you get a mirror on the side. Ooh, okay.

• 26:01Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, Merita.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  But then now you see a mirror and you're like, oh my, what is that guy doing to that girl? You see yourself in the mirror and now you're like, oh, low.

• 26:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, the mirror is insane.

• 26:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you need mirrors all around your house. It keeps you looking better than that.

• 26:15Speaker 00

  Keeps you in check, right? Yeah, what is better than that? That was such an unnecessary thing to say.

• 26:21Mark Gagnon?

  It would encourage you to like...

• 26:22Speaker 02

  He's feeling...

• 26:23Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, bro.

• 26:24Speaker 00

  That's...

• 26:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you need to, you need some of that.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. You do hit the baby a little bit.

• 26:31Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, you owe it to your wife, bro.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  He finished.

• 26:34Mark Gagnon?

  She had a kid.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Two.

• 26:36Mark Gagnon?

  And, you know, she's doing what she gotta do.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  What do you owe?

• 26:41Mark Gagnon?

  The fuck you talking about?

• 26:43Speaker 02

  What do you owe?

• 26:44Mark Gagnon?

  I'm keeping myself.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  What do you owe to your wife?

• 26:46Mark Gagnon?

  I look good for my wife, she looks good for me.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Schultz is a knuckle thief in his own.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  That's how I judge my fat, how far my finger goes in my own belly button. Watching you talk.

• 27:03Mark Gagnon?

  There's some oil check right now.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Bro, you be a good little nutritionist. You bring clients in, you're like, alright, let me take a look. Put the glove on. You think, ah, I got about a knuckle deep, yeah.

• 27:13Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I know that knuckles probably smells disgusting.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  No, my belly button doesn't smell.

• 27:18Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've heard people say that.

• 27:20Mark Gagnon?

  Smell it.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 27:21Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, you white, y'all do that type of shit.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  No smell. Yeah, I don't. I, I'm honest about smells, can we acknowledge that?

• 27:26Mark Gagnon?

  What about your ear?

• 27:27Speaker 02

  No, my ear doesn't smell, my, obviously my farts and that kinda shit, yes, but like, no, none of this other stuff. This like belly button smell, I didn't know that that was a real thing. Somebody said that the other day, like, oh, what is your belly button smell like? I'm like, what is that? Yeah, nah.

• 27:40Mark Gagnon?

  So you get in there when you wash?

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Oh, when you say it like that, like, who gets in? I don't think I get in. Don't we all? Don't we all? Aren't you scrubbing it with the loofah?

• 27:54Mark Gagnon?

  I was like, when you asked me about the Rihanna picture just now, come on, man.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, you let the suds get in there. You let the suds get in. You really in shape for no reason, huh?

• 28:02Mark Gagnon?

  For my wife. I keep it together.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  She not, she not from America, bro, like, you, you have, you can be fat.

• 28:09Mark Gagnon?

  Even more, I gotta keep it in shape. Because they used to, people be in shape.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  But don't she wanna stay?

• 28:16Speaker 02

  You know, like, if she wanna stay.

• 28:17Mark Gagnon?

  The way she looking right now, I might be going over there.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  You going to Spain?

• 28:21Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck outta here.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Spain is closer. They might be able to reach Spain.

• 28:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but right now, they fucking with Trump a little bit too much, they gotta chill out.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  What you mean?

• 28:29Mark Gagnon?

  Like, they not letting us land on their bases, they're not trying to help at all.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  So that, that makes you safe from Iran, but it might not make you safe from? From America, dropping a nuke on you. Nah, we can't be dropped, hey, hey, we can't, we can't nuke Spain.

• 28:43Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, we're recording this Tuesday.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, by the way, if anything happens tonight, yeah, if the world is over tonight, we're gonna still upload it.

• 28:51Mark Gagnon?

  I'll be texting Miles. I'll be knocking on Miles' door with my fucking leg hanging off. Just like, yo, get the episode up and make sure that it starts with your, what's up?

• 29:01Speaker 02

  What's up with Patreon or a regular episode?

• 29:04Speaker 00

  It's the same shit.

• 29:04Mark Gagnon?

  Type shit.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  Type shit.

• 29:06Mark Gagnon?

  Type shit.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  But yeah, Spain wouldn't be too bad, but in order to keep like your girl happy, I feel like you just need to keep up with the level of fitness in Spain. Like you don't need to be like Diesel Diesel, because the average Spanish guy just is regular.

• 29:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's why I'm good. But they're getting, they're getting into the fitness over there.

• 29:20Speaker 00

  She doesn't want the average Spanish guy.

• 29:22Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm. There's nothing about me average, boy.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  I would say you're below average height.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 100%.

• 29:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'm actually average height.

• 29:30Speaker 00

  I think you're below average height.

• 29:32Mark Gagnon?

  5'9" is average.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Based off what? Global average?

• 29:34Mark Gagnon?

  No, American average.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  The American average?

• 29:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 29:37Speaker 00

  I think your average lady boy. I think your average height for lady boy.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'd be a baddie.

• 29:43Speaker 00

  You are gonna build like a lady boy.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  You'd be a baddie.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  You would be a baddie, right?

• 29:48Mark Gagnon?

  No, to me, I'm top heavy. See? Bang.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's what they go for. Like if you're in, if you get a lady boy, you don't want her to look like, or him to look like a girl, girl. Because you could just fuck a girl. You want them to feel a little more masculine.

• 30:03Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think that's how it works, bro.

• 30:05Speaker 00

  Of course, why not just have sex with a girl? You're paying them. It's a hooker. It's not like you can't just get a female hooker.

• 30:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but they go to Taiwan because the men and women look the same.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  Thailand.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 30:15Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Disney world Disneyland.

• 30:17Mark Gagnon?

  Same shit.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  You go to Taiwan to get a hooker, bro.

• 30:21Speaker 00

  Feel like Taiwan.

• 30:21Mark Gagnon?

  Get the CPUs, bro. I'm gonna be Nvidia. Yeah.

• 30:27Mark Gagnon?

  Same shit.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  No, in all seriousness, I feel like they want a little bit more masculine. That's why they're doing it.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  They want little Kristi Noem's husband.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  They want Kristi Noem's husband.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what you really want. That's what you want.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Do you want the baddest lady boy?

• 30:41Speaker 00

  Why not just be with a lady lady?

• 30:43Speaker 02

  Cause you want the peace?

• 30:44Mark Gagnon?

  They can't get a lady, so they get the ones that-

• 30:47Speaker 00

  So, so this is the point that I was making, once you're paying for sex, you can get anything.

• 30:52Mark Gagnon?

  I would think the bad lady ladies charge more than the lady boy.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  They get a discount, they're like, oh, take the dick on a discount.

• 30:58Speaker 00

  No, the dick costs extra. They pay more for the lady boy. Lady boy is more.

• 31:05Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 31:06Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 31:07Mark Gagnon?

  No, the currency is shit over there. Like, it's mad cheap.

• 31:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, but all things are, Al, you're getting a little over your head right now. All things, all things are, all things are the same because you're paying for it over there no matter what. So you can get a lady girl or a lady boy.

• 31:23Mark Gagnon?

  I thought it's only lady boys doing prostitution over there.

• 31:26Speaker 00

  No, wherever prostitution lives, you have all types of it.

• 31:30Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, okay. I thought like, if you go there, you're going for lady boys.

• 31:33Speaker 00

  No, this is-

• 31:34Mark Gagnon?

  That I think you're right about.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  This is next level gooners trying to give it a spin. This is like the end stage gooners that are like, yeah, let's, let's try it out. That's what I think. They're going over there and they're like, I've always wanted to get one of these, let's, let's give it a girl.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  I, I think it's that too, like they're desensitized to everything.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  And they like-

• 31:51Mark Gagnon?

  I wanna ask one of these people, Miles, why are you, why are you going?

• 31:56Speaker 02

  I've never been over there.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  Can we, that, what an interview. Just like a lady boy connoisseur.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 00

  What would you rather? Would you rather the most beautiful lady boy, indistinguishable from a lady girl? Or?

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Uh-oh.

• 32:14Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a little, that's, that's, alright. Alright, so, her or the most beautiful lady boy you've ever seen?

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Her.

• 32:22Speaker 00

  And it's just head, you're just getting head.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Her.

• 32:26Mark Gagnon?

  Her.

• 32:29Mark Gagnon?

  You laugh because he goes lady boy.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Because there's a hundred percent chance that girl has like a pretty hot black boyfriend.

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, we can't give Al his ideal girl. That's unfair. That's unfair.

• 32:49Mark Gagnon?

  He called me hot, so I'll take it. I'll, I'll take the compliment now. I have a hot guy. But, nah, you go, you go lady boy, you go a fat one.

• 33:00Speaker 00

  There's a skinny Jamaican guy around. Right behind her like, why, why? Why you looking at me whale?

• 33:08Mark Gagnon?

  Good boy. And I need a piata, you gotta, you gotta do what you gotta do.

• 33:12Speaker 00

  Get in what you fit in, bro.

• 33:13Mark Gagnon?

  Do what you gotta do.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 33:15Mark Gagnon?

  No, but now, same question.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  I mean, probably, I mean, one, yeah, probably that. One of them is sin against God, you know?

• 33:22Mark Gagnon?

  Don't bring religion to it. I hate you. Yo, stop it. Stop it. Make a fucking decision. You going Beluga whale or you going?

• 33:30Speaker 02

  I wouldn't call them, I would just say they're, they're beautiful women. B, B, B.

• 33:34Mark Gagnon?

  So, do you fuck a woman that looks like Andrew or a ladyboy?

• 33:38Speaker 00

  Where?

• 33:38Speaker 02

  Hot, I'm, hold on.

• 33:42Speaker 00

  Which one am I?

• 33:44Mark Gagnon?

  You know, with a little extra mid.

• 33:48Mark Gagnon?

  You want a little extra? You see, that's Andrew body right there.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I give it a spin. No, I'm not, I'm not above it.

• 33:55Speaker 00

  No, no, I mean, we've all taken down some big. You haven't taken out big. You've taken out big.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  That's been, big is a rite of passage, low key. Big is a rite of passage.

• 34:04Mark Gagnon?

  You haven't lived.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Big?

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Do they have that in Taiwan?

• 34:09Speaker 00

  Do they have big?

• 34:09Speaker 02

  If I pull up to Taiwan, I'm like, hey, I need a, I need a big.

• 34:12Speaker 00

  Did you go red light districts when we were in, uh, Amsterdam?

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 00

  Did you walk it? You walked through it? They got big for sale.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:19Mark Gagnon?

  That shit is, that makes me uncomfortable a little bit.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  What's the red light district?

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, just being in the window, just smacking on it.

• 34:25Speaker 00

  I do not like it.

• 34:26Speaker 02

  It's a lot, right?

• 34:27Speaker 00

  I prefer being in there with them.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  No, no, it is, it does feel very weird.

• 34:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yes. And I remember walking through, we were just like, who feels weird.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Seeing shit, yeah. Miles gave it a walk, he told us about it.

• 34:40Mark Gagnon?

  No, he went to the blue light.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 34:46Speaker 00

  Ladyboy. Ladyboy.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  I liked walking through in like the, the daytime, the morning shift, cause you could see that like the nighttime shift costs more.

• 34:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, there were, there were less attractive girls in the daytime.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like the open mic. Yeah, I mean, for real, that's just girls kinda trying it out.

• 35:02Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, why you shitting on open micers like that?

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Everyone's gotta start somewhere. You gotta come up.

• 35:05Speaker 00

  That is a good point.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. But they're starting at like the 12 o'clock shift, you know what I mean? And then they work down to like five, then they get prime time, you know, 10:30, 11.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  That's what you're working to.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  What if, yeah, what if it doesn't work out?

• 35:19Mark Gagnon?

  You got open mic body right now.

• 35:22Speaker 00

  No, he's not that crazy. He still doesn't look like a comedian. There's nothing more insulting than saying.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  It's kind of win lose either way.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  A comedian.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Cause if I get in terrible shape, I do think it'll help.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  Oh, it's funnier.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  Right? It's way funnier. What's funny?

• 35:37Speaker 00

  This guy.

• 35:37Mark Gagnon?

  So a reader.

• 35:38Speaker 00

  This guy is insane. I'm about to get ripped to spite him, right?

• 35:43Speaker 02

  And you can just get on Peppa's.

• 35:44Speaker 00

  I'm gonna get on a reticule.

• 35:46Mark Gagnon?

  This is what a good friend does. I body shame you until you fucking get in shape.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  I need to get in shape.

• 35:51Mark Gagnon?

  That's what good friends are supposed to do.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  But I also.

• 35:53Mark Gagnon?

  I hate when you guys say I look good.

• 35:56Speaker 00

  We've never said that. Yeah, we never, we never said that.

• 35:58Mark Gagnon?

  There you go. Keep me motivated.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  But I keep saying you're short and you haven't fixed that.

• 36:03Mark Gagnon?

  It's one day.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  He's tried.

• 36:05Mark Gagnon?

  He's tried. I'll try. One day I'll get the, the little.

• 36:09Speaker 00

  Would you do the, would you do the extendo?

• 36:11Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, not.

• 36:11Speaker 00

  It's too much. It's like a year of your life of recovery.

• 36:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not that short.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  You got a vantage max. Vantage maxing is.

• 36:18Mark Gagnon?

  What's this?

• 36:18Speaker 02

  This is the clavicular thing.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Where he's like, if you bring a girl to your place and you're wearing lifts in your shoes, you take your shoes off. He's like, by all means, you gotta keep your shoes on. So we're lifted.

• 36:27Mark Gagnon?

  I understand.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  You basically make different spots where you can kind of elevate yourself.

• 36:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  And so you just, you put like a little book over here, put a little stool over here and you just kind of bounce from one to the other.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  But there's nothing, there's nothing that you.

• 36:37Mark Gagnon?

  My wife is stuck.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  You like had felt that you would do to fix your shortness?

• 36:42Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm good.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  But being like a short guy.

• 36:48Mark Gagnon?

  See the short don't bother. That shit he said earlier, that shit, that touch you a little.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Wait, which one?

• 36:53Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know. Cause we might cut it out, so.

• 36:57Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no. We're not gonna, no.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  When he just mocks you.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  No, no, when you mock it, yeah.

• 37:07Speaker 00

  There is no.

• 37:07Mark Gagnon?

  Oh shit.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Nah, that guy looks crazy. I don't want to look like that.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:13Mark Gagnon?

  That's too much.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, that would be sucked to look like that.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  That would be horrible.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 00

  Guy, man. Can't even do anything.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, right? That's not funny. Come on.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  There's nothing funny about it.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  Jeez. What else is going on in the world, guys? There are things going on in the world? Hey, Alex, you had an interesting take about the Druski skit. You were, you thought it was wrong.

• 37:33Mark Gagnon?

  The fuck?

• 37:37Speaker 02

  That's interesting.

• 37:38Speaker 00

  Remember when you were like, this is wrong and disrespectful?

• 37:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  To the whites?

• 37:42Speaker 02

  To the whites of the world?

• 37:43Speaker 00

  And we were like, no, it's comedy. You can say whatever the fuck you want.

• 37:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, I'm losing my mind, bro.

• 37:48Speaker 00

  Do you remember this?

• 37:49Mark Gagnon?

  I said this?

• 37:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, you were like, this is wrong and disrespectful to white people who work so hard to give you my freedom.

• 37:54Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, if I said it, I'm standing on it. Yeah, I'm sure it's fucked up, bro.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's bad, right?

• 37:58Mark Gagnon?

  White power!

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Whoa, okay.

• 38:02Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, wait, do they, do they all do the fist for white power? What do y'all do?

• 38:06Speaker 02

  I know, there's a very famous one. There's a very, there's a very famous one that moved in.

• 38:10Mark Gagnon?

  Not the straight hand, but I mean, what else do y'all do at white power meetings?

• 38:13Speaker 02

  I don't know, the fist thing, I don't know if, it doesn't really hit the same, you know?

• 38:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Compared to.

• 38:18Mark Gagnon?

  What's your son? Oh, what's this? What you just did?

• 38:20Speaker 02

  It's the hitty. That, that one, you fucking throw it out. You can't, I'm not gonna throw it out here, it's great. That's a, that's a classic.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  White power is like, it's a little beneath us to say.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  It's kinda bragging.

• 38:33Speaker 00

  It's like dunking the, you know what I mean? It's like.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  Garbage time buckets.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like you're up at thirty and you're gonna be like, we're in power. It's like, we know, everybody knows. Like, it's not like, any, any white people that are doing that, it's kind of embarrassing. It's like, what is that thing called when you're like, um? It's, uh, when people are being like a little too loud? Like, old money people will say it about like, you're being gauche.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  It's a little gauche.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 00

  It's a little gauche. Like, the whites still like say white power, just like, ugh, god, please.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Come on, yeah, stop saying it's so loud, don't.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  Guys, guys, guys.

• 39:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, okay.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  Doesn't it feel like, when, don't you think those whites are saying it out of like pure insecurity? Don't you like that?

• 39:13Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know. It just seems like y'all down bad right now. Like, whites ain't looking good right now.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 39:19Mark Gagnon?

  There's a lot of infighting, you got dumbasses like Jake Paul, he wants to do blackface, like, he wants to come on our team now and shit like that, so it's like.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  He's switching up?

• 39:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, y'all down bad.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  That's permanent?

• 39:30Mark Gagnon?

  I think so, I'm pretty sure. He's been, you know, spending time in Puerto Rico and shit like that, he wants to be Puerto Rican.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  Shit.

• 39:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  They got white Puerto Ricans?

• 39:38Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  No, you get a couple. Those are my favorite.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  You got white Puerto Ricans?

• 39:42Speaker 02

  They got redhead dudes that speak perfect Spanish.

• 39:44Mark Gagnon?

  But they're not.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Canelo speaking, yeah, literally.

• 39:45Speaker 00

  Mexican, but yes.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Type shit.

• 39:47Mark Gagnon?

  They're not, they're not.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Makes me laugh.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  You don't consider them white? Because of their ethnicity, there's probably mixed heritage.

• 39:52Mark Gagnon?

  Correct.

• 39:54Speaker 00

  That's fair. That's an interesting thing about Latinos where it's like, it's not the hue of the skin necessarily that makes you white or black to Americans. But with Latin culture, they might identify as white.

• 40:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 00

  And they'd be right to if their families from fucking Germany or whatever fleeing like whatever they fled in the 1940s. To Argentina, probably nothing bad at all. No reason why you would move to Argentina in 1942.

• 40:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Better weather. But a lot of cultures do that.

• 40:19Speaker 00

  It was the weather, dude. Who controls that?

• 40:23Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, alright.

• 40:25Mark Gagnon?

  I heard Asians call themselves white.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  Bro, who was telling us that? Uh, Chris Moreau? Hmm. Yeah, like, what was he saying? What was, what was he saying?

• 40:35Mark Gagnon?

  I forgot in what context, but I learned that. But y'all not the only whites. I can see it. And actually, y'all the worst whites. They're better whites than y'all. They white?

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait. Explain that one to me. Better at what?

• 40:48Mark Gagnon?

  Like, they're doing better in the economy.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:51Mark Gagnon?

  They're more, like, they got more numbers than you.

• 40:56Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 40:57Mark Gagnon?

  So they fucking more.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  Hold on, are there more?

• 41:01Speaker 00

  So the thing about whites, like, like, white, white?

• 41:06Speaker 00

  There's not really like a what, like, we've kind of just started including a lot of people in, in whiteness.

• 41:10Mark Gagnon?

  Cause you're down bad, so you fucking recruit.

• 41:12Speaker 00

  I wonder if it's down bad. I wonder if it's just like a whole thing we just all made up in the first place. Right? I, I wonder if like they even talked about that. Like if people in Spain and people from Britain were like, hey, we're both white. Should we be together? I don't even know if that conversation was happening.

• 41:26Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, now you're doing the races of social construct shit with this guy.

• 41:30Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no. Let me fucking, let me live out, dude, let me live out. No, no, like, I wonder if they didn't, like, this whole time, they're like, no, we're better because we're noble. And then Americans were like, oh, no, dude, you don't even have to be noble. You just gotta have like a skin color. Like, why are you trying so hard? Like, that's all we need?

• 41:46Mark Gagnon?

  But they fought it for a while, because like the Irish and Italians, they wasn't.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  This is what I'm trying to say is like.

• 41:52Mark Gagnon?

  And then you're like, yo, let's, you know. Now everybody's down.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  Now, now, so here's the question. And this brings us to the, uh, looking alike conversation. Black people get this a lot. Asians get this a lot. That they look more similar. And then I hear reflexively oftentimes, black people will be like, oh, all white people look alike.

• 42:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 42:18Speaker 00

  I think you could say like, versions of white people look alike. You could be like, all blonde white people look alike, all brown haired white people look alike. Hmm. But like, in terms of a race of people, white people are the most diverse race. We're the only race that has different eye color, different hair color, different hair texture, different skin texture, different facial features, different ethnicities.

• 42:42Mark Gagnon?

  This is a stupid take.

• 42:42Speaker 00

  White people are the most diverse race of people. It's just a fact. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

• 42:51Mark Gagnon?

  We had the same guy change his race in his lifetime, Michael Jackson. Until you have a Michael Jackson, right now you have racial dozal, and she's not coming in.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  You're making a good point, and I will give you credit for it. You guys have no range.

• 43:05Mark Gagnon?

  You guys have a lot of range.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  You guys have range. That bit of Ligo shit is a fucking, it's an anomaly whites did not see coming.

• 43:13Mark Gagnon?

  Albino, come on, we got purple, black, and albino.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  We got albino too though.

• 43:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but it's just like a half a shade different.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  What, how lucky. How lucky.

• 43:23Mark Gagnon?

  No, but if you're talking about diverse.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  How lucky.

• 43:25Mark Gagnon?

  If you're talking about diversity, though.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  We're talking about like, a rare medical condition. What I'm talking about is without medical conditions, just purely, what I would say is African diaspora.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  Not even just the diaspora, but African in general. Like, you go from Sudanese to West African, East African. And if you're including like, the more like Arabic features that like the North Africans have.

• 43:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 43:51Speaker 00

  A lot of diversity there. Nobody would go like, oh, a Sudanese person looks just like a Moroccan person, I don't think. Right?

• 43:56Mark Gagnon?

  And now for sake of this argument, I'm including South Africans.

• 43:59Speaker 00

  Gang. Gang. But now we're not talking about race anymore. It's too confusing.

• 44:06Mark Gagnon?

  Elon's black. Elon's black.

• 44:08Speaker 00

  Elon's black?

• 44:11Speaker 00

  Hold on, now let me make this argument. Maybe, maybe you could say that black people have the most diversity. If you're including Ethiopian, Somali, what is that, the horn? Then you include like the Sudanese, you include Maghreb, like North Africa, then you include West Africa, Cameroon.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  You're describing Africa now.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  Well, hold on, hold on. But then, if you're including the Caribbean, now we have mixture of like native tribe, you also have mixture of black, and you have mixture of European, Spanish, Portuguese. Whoa, now we're talking about a lot of diversity over there. This is interesting.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  But your point is that it's crazy that there's an Italian guy from Sicily and an Irish guy, and we're like, yeah, they're both white.

• 44:55Speaker 00

  But I think you could probably make the same point for a Sudanese guy.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  And Blake Griffin.

• 44:59Speaker 00

  And Blake Griffin.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  Guys, I, I, listen, I, I hate to live out on you guys right now, but.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  It might just be a construct, dude.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  I hate to fucking live out on you right now. As we do this podcast a few hours before the end of the world.

• 45:18Mark Gagnon?

  I know, right?

• 45:19Speaker 00

  But before the world is over, it is cool that we came to the conclusion that we're really all the same.

• 45:24Mark Gagnon?

  We're all the same, we just solved it.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  We're all combined, we're all unified.

• 45:27Speaker 00

  We're all unified, yeah.

• 45:29Mark Gagnon?

  Pass the football, press the button, bro.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  So.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  So are you guys mad at Druski?

• 45:36Speaker 00

  I'm too dumb to know.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  The nuclear football, I have no idea why they call it that.

• 45:41Mark Gagnon?

  They just call the bag the nuclear football.

• 45:44Speaker 00

  No way.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, from back in the day.

• 45:45Speaker 00

  Tell me, explain this, explain this. No, this is fun.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  They would say like, oh, the president currently has the nuclear football, like during like human missile crisis.

• 45:52Speaker 00

  Like a suitcase that carries around with the codes?

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, suitcase with the code and a key, and another guy had to have one.

• 45:57Mark Gagnon?

  And this person follows him everywhere he goes.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know why they call it that, though.

• 46:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I don't know why they call it that, but this person follows him wherever he goes. Wherever the president is, this person's not far behind.

• 46:06Speaker 00

  And even when he's just like giving conversations, or only when we're in like real time of that amount of.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  It's a nickname after an early classified nuclear war plan called dropkick because a football was required to do a dropkick. So the name for the briefcase holding the launch option stuck gaining popularity in the 60s.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  The official name is the presidential emergency satchel, so.

• 46:28Speaker 00

  And can you ask if it goes with the president everywhere he goes, even when we're not involved in a crazy conflict? I mean, it must. It must, right? Because like, God forbid, some other country sends a nuke over here, we gotta.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Have someone do something.

• 46:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Let me, let me ask you guys this question. You're the president of the United States. You hear that a nuclear bomb is being sent over, or like, tons of nuclear bombs are being sent over, and we don't have some sort of mechanism to stop it, right? Let's, let's assume we don't. We don't have Patriot missiles or whatever that can like shoot it out of the sky. I don't know what the technology is, but let's say they're all coming and it's assured death and destruction.

• 47:06Mark Gagnon?

  I just saw like a decent movie about this. I just can't remember the name of the movie, but keep going, sorry.

• 47:10Speaker 00

  This exactly.

• 47:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 47:13Speaker 00

  And, okay, my question to you is, you could hit the button that does the same thing to them. Do you end humanity in that moment? Or is there a part of you that goes, I wish it didn't get here, but it's not gonna make it better if no, humans no longer exist?

• 47:37Speaker 00

  Like, yeah, you want to get your get back, and they all took you out, but the end is there's no more humans. Do you hit the button, or do you let humanity continue? And do you hope that eventually, human beings, you know, can elect leaders that, you know, will care more about our existence and the proliferation of humanity?

• 47:56Mark Gagnon?

  This isn't the American hurrah answer, but I don't, I don't strike back. Japan, look at them now, like, they didn't hit us back, and now we're cool?

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, granted, they didn't have a nuke.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  They didn't have a nuke, but yes.

• 48:09Mark Gagnon?

  But yeah, I'm sure. Do they have one now?

• 48:13Mark Gagnon?

  They still?

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Japan's like the biggest proponent of denuclearization. Like, anytime anyone does a nuclear test, Japan like sends them a letter like, yo, chill, bro. So they're all over.

• 48:20Mark Gagnon?

  As they should.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:21Mark Gagnon?

  But then they should have like, the most. I would tell everybody like, yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Yo, wait, wait, wait, hold up, hold up, wait for me, wait for me.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  But you know, so, okay, so you don't, and the reason is not that you don't want to defend your people, obviously. The reason is that this ends all people.

• 48:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  So what is the advantage? Okay, Mark. It's a tough one, because it feels like you're being a bitch not defending your country.

• 48:46Mark Gagnon?

  It does feel like that.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  But you end humanity if you also do it.

• 48:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, for the sake of humanity, you probably shouldn't.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  But like, I even hate that I'm putting this question on you guys, because it's like, it, it, yeah.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  For the sake of humanity, you probably shouldn't have a nuke at all. Like, no one should have a nuke.

• 49:02Mark Gagnon?

  Agree.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  But this is the hypothetical. Yeah, I know, but I'm like, probably not. For the sake of humanity.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  And is this where like, you know, you're not a very religious guy, but like, is this where having some belief system is advantageous for being in positions of power? Where you?

• 49:18Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Wait, wait.

• 49:20Mark Gagnon?

  I don't say no, because I don't, I don't think it makes a difference. Because you see people and like, Hexteth right now, using religion.

• 49:30Speaker 00

  Biblical, um, yeah.

• 49:34Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like, I don't think.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  That's right, because you could also use that for whatever it is.

• 49:40Speaker 00

  Which is what humans have done throughout history.

• 49:42Mark Gagnon?

  It's all about your own moral.

• 49:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  I guess, yeah, you're right, you're right.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Also, if you're religiously predisposed to pacifism, like if you're like a Quaker or some shit.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  And then anybody can kind of do whatever they want to, and now you're putting your people at a disadvantage.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  That's the thing, right?

• 49:55Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is a tricky question, right? It's like, you want to defend your people, it's your job to defend your people, but at the same time, you're ending hu- I don't know if I could end humanity, dude.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  That should be whack, dude, that should be whack.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  I mean, maybe there's part of you that, yo, maybe some of us make it out.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  I mean, some probably would.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  Fallout, mods.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Some probably would, you kind of live in a bunker type, type shit. Nuclear winter, you post up. Eat some protein bars.

• 50:19Speaker 00

  How quick are you coming out that bunker?

• 50:23Mark Gagnon?

  What you mean?

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Like, let's say we made it to the bunker, nuclear holocaust.

• 50:30Speaker 00

  We talk to other people in the bunkers, and they're like, yo, you gotta stay down, it's radioactive waste up there, you can't go out there, you're gonna be marked immediately if you're out there.

• 50:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  How long you really believe you could be, like?

• 50:42Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, no, I start.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  I'm gonna hold my breath, but I'm gonna go out. Like, I'm gonna put my head up, right?

• 50:46Mark Gagnon?

  I start eating humans before I go out.

• 50:51Mark Gagnon?

  Or send a few motherfuckers out first.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  No, there's gonna be fires and shit everywhere. If you're not in the blast zone, then there might not be a ton of nuclear radiation, but there's gonna be fires, it can be nuclear winter, can't grow any crops and anything. So you might be like, walk around, but then it's chaos, there's no infrastructure, no government, so they're just bandits trying to steal all your shit.

• 51:07Mark Gagnon?

  But isn't there a part of you that's like, I need to be outside, bro. I can't just look up through this fucking window. You need to go outside for 15 minutes.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  This is like New Yorkers. Like, New Yorkers are like, yeah, bro, we gotta be outside.

• 51:17Mark Gagnon?

  That's white people shit.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Nah, black people gonna be outside.

• 51:20Mark Gagnon?

  No, we not.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Black people gonna be outside.

• 51:22Mark Gagnon?

  Y'all play with fucking wild animals and shit like that. Y'all like that type of shit. You, there's a nuclear bomb just went off? And you wanna go outside and hold your breath?

• 51:30Speaker 02

  If we're being honest.

• 51:31Mark Gagnon?

  Cool.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  The majority of people playing with wild animals probably look more like you.

• 51:35Mark Gagnon?

  No, they grew up with them.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  I'm just saying.

• 51:38Mark Gagnon?

  If you grew up with them.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  In the world, in the world.

• 51:41Mark Gagnon?

  Stop it.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  The majority of people probably look more like you.

• 51:45Mark Gagnon?

  Nope. I don't think so.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  And y'all never left, cuz you're like, there's no wild animals over there.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? Like, you're like, yo, what's Rome about? What? No wild animals? I'm not going over there.

• 51:56Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think so.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  To be honest.

• 51:57Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think we play with them.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  White people hated wild animals the most. That's why they went places where there's no wild animals.

• 52:03Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  And we domesticated the fuck out of those. We made them not wild. We unwilded them.

• 52:07Mark Gagnon?

  No, because y'all pay the most.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  No.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Actually.

• 52:13Mark Gagnon?

  Y'all pay the most to go back to Africa to see these motherfucking wild animals in person.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  It's like camping. It's just camping. It's like, you don't do it forever.

• 52:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but y'all are forcing the black people to be around the white animals just so you could see them from a little...

• 52:27Speaker 02

  We're not forcing anybody.

• 52:28Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, you're forcing them.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  What should we do? Take them away from there? We tried that. That was, that was bad. That was bad, is what I'm saying. We gotta keep them there. We gotta keep them. Unless they wanna leave, in which case they can apply for immigration. But regardless, you gotta keep them there. It's their place.

• 52:43Mark Gagnon?

  It's their place.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  It's technically their place. And we could take the animals. Why didn't we try that? Why didn't we just take the animals over?

• 52:52Mark Gagnon?

  Dude, that would have been a...

• 52:54Speaker 00

  Way better idea.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  The rhinos? They're like, yo, give me the rhinos.

• 52:58Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I just like shooting them for fun.

• 53:00Speaker 00

  Nah, okay. There is a, uh.

• 53:02Mark Gagnon?

  What is that?

• 53:03Speaker 02

  I don't know, the big game shit?

• 53:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, what is that?

• 53:06Speaker 00

  I looked this up.

• 53:06Mark Gagnon?

  What's that?

• 53:07Speaker 00

  Well, uh, it was, you, it was, uh, like it played, it's no different than like, uh, the big game, I don't know. But it's probably like porn where like you kill enough deer, you're like, I need to kill some real shit. But like, I, I think it does play into like primal urges, right? Like, you know, camping or being out in the nature, hunting your own food. Like, you must get some sort of like, uh, dopamine response.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  No, hunting is fire. Hunting is cool. Fishing, getting a deer or some shit.

• 53:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but like you just, but like you just said.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  That's running around a big old lion that's, oh, there, it's endangered.

• 53:37Speaker 00

  No, this is the porn thing. It's like you're desensitized to the, to the deer.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  So now you need a lady lion.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  A lady, oh, lady lion.

• 53:49Mark Gagnon?

  But eventually you get tired of fucking deer, the boars and all that shit, you gonna wanna step it up.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  You want a lady boar?

• 53:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yo.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  Hunting boar is wack.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  A lady boar.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Lady boar.

• 53:57Mark Gagnon?

  Keep your boy Rogan out of Africa, bro.

• 53:59Speaker 00

  Lady boar. Lady boar.

• 54:02Mark Gagnon?

  Keep, keep Rogan out of Africa.

• 54:03Speaker 00

  Why? He doesn't, he's going to hunting?

• 54:05Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I'm just saying, that's gonna be his next step. Now he doesn't even use guns, he just fucking bows an arrow. Eventually he's gonna get bored with that shit.

• 54:11Speaker 00

  I respect the bow and arrow.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  That's way more impressive than a gun.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  That's way more impressive.

• 54:15Mark Gagnon?

  It's more impressive, but once he gets bored with that, then what?

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Then you just go down, you can make the delta bigger here. Hunt an elk, hunt an elk with a Swiss army. Swiss army.

• 54:25Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh, doubt.

• 54:26Speaker 00

  Fork.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Corkscrew.

• 54:28Mark Gagnon?

  Is it anybody who does that now?

• 54:29Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 54:30Mark Gagnon?

  Is there any like, person online that hunts animals with like a knife and shit?

• 54:35Speaker 02

  The fork is, it's giving step.

• 54:36Speaker 00

  Fork is crazy, like, no, I, there gotta be.

• 54:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 54:41Speaker 00

  I mean, you see people do it with, uh.

• 54:44Mark Gagnon?

  Like, that shit would be fire.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  You see people do it with, uh, fish. They'll like spear, you ever seen that? Like, they'll basically take like a spear and they'll throw, fish is kind of easy. But an animal that can kind of fight back? That's some ballsy shit.

• 54:56Mark Gagnon?

  Why people do that?

• 54:58Speaker 02

  People bore hunt with knives. I've seen that.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:01Speaker 00

  I don't, the boar thing doesn't impress me at all.

• 55:03Mark Gagnon?

  No, they're scary.

• 55:05Speaker 00

  They're scary, but like, to me, it's just like, what are we doing this? They're built like, what?

• 55:11Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  No, they're more sturdy, son.

• 55:12Mark Gagnon?

  You didn't deserve that. You didn't deserve that.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  You said they're built like me?

• 55:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  That's fire. They're strong as shit.

• 55:17Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, yeah, let's go. Turn it into a compliment.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Thank you. I appreciate it. You hunt a boar, so hold on. Rewind a little. Oh, oh, la, oh, la!

• 55:23Speaker 00

  Nah, this makes me sad.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Damn, they just murdered him.

• 55:25Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  They murdered him. Hold on, rewind a little bit though. It's kinda crazy that they catch him and they make him do a wheelbarrow. So you get the dog on him, the dog.

• 55:32Mark Gagnon?

  And if the dog got him first, that don't count.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Like, they do like a, a wife carry. You seen that competition?

• 55:39Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, that's how you carry your wife, bro?

• 55:41Speaker 02

  You haven't seen the, the wife carry competition?

• 55:43Speaker 00

  I saw at the Riyadh Comedy Festival, they were doing that.

• 55:48Mark Gagnon?

  You know, we shoot, we try. We try.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Wait, why?

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Too political?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Wait, why?

• 55:53Speaker 00

  I don't know, seems like something you do.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  No, I missed it.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  This shit right here. That's how they're carrying that hog. You never seen these?

• 56:03Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, the back of their necks just smell like fish.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  They do an obstacle course with their girl hanging over them shoulders.

• 56:10Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, nah, he cheating. Why he's doing the...

• 56:13Speaker 00

  Well, it's actually harder.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  It's any way that you can get your wife across the line.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  This is the easier way. Oh! Blashing him with shit.

• 56:20Speaker 00

  Nah, this is crazy.

• 56:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, you see? White people shit. Like, why? Not a black in sight.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  This right here, this right here, let me tell you something, that's white power.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  That is white power.

• 56:35Mark Gagnon?

  Well, keep the power, cuz that shit is lame as fuck.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  I'm just, you, you're, once you guys get it, you're gonna start doing shit just like this.

• 56:42Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 56:43Speaker 00

  When you don't have to think about getting power, you can think of these crazy games. Like, what if I just held my wife upside down and we ran around? This is, it's pure boredom from just being in power for centuries, thousands of years.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Also, there's a fair amount, like, you could, you could fall on purpose if your wife's been annoyed. You could bounce her up and down, you know, you make her happy.

• 57:01Mark Gagnon?

  Wow, that was dark.

• 57:03Speaker 00

  You're, you're an evil, evil guy.

• 57:05Mark Gagnon?

  That was dark, bro.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  You're an evil guy.

• 57:08Mark Gagnon?

  You went there and you ain't even got a girl yet. That's crazy. You're already digging up.

• 57:13Speaker 00

  You're an evil guy, Miles. The fact that you could even think that, your wife who trusts you.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  I don't have a wife, so.

• 57:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 57:20Mark Gagnon?

  Go to Saudi Arabia with that shit.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  Damn, damn!

• 57:23Speaker 02

  So political.

• 57:24Mark Gagnon?

  Oh shit, that's a...

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, this black guy. There's what? Al?

• 57:28Mark Gagnon?

  That's an Obama.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 57:33Mark Gagnon?

  He's close to, yeah, y'all might.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Yo, look, they got one. See, like, well.

• 57:39Speaker 00

  Also, Al just admitted that Obama is close to white. You all let that go.

• 57:44Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, he is. I think he's closer to white than he is to black.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  And why do you think that? Why do you think that?

• 57:51Mark Gagnon?

  I think he has more white in him.

• 57:54Speaker 00

  I mean, he was raised by his mother.

• 57:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you know, he's raised white.

• 57:58Speaker 02

  In Hawaii?

• 58:00Mark Gagnon?

  Haoli or whatever the fuck.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  You might be a Haoli, brother.

• 58:05Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, let me not. I take that back. I still like, oh.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  Would you not like him if he was white?

• 58:13Mark Gagnon?

  Y'all have y'all days, my time, bro.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  You have white fatigue?

• 58:16Speaker 00

  What is this, what is this, uh, white animosity that we're feeling?

• 58:20Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I love white people.

• 58:21Speaker 00

  While you wear a Harley Davidson shirt.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  It's Godspeed.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, it's Godspeed.

• 58:27Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I love the whites. It's just, we having fun.

• 58:32Mark Gagnon?

  We having fun. We can have fun.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  Yo, did you know that, um, not to make things like very political?

• 58:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 58:39Speaker 00

  But did you know that, uh, Kanye, I don't even think is gonna be allowed to go to the UK?

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he got banned officially today. Yeah, he was supposed to headline Wireless for three nights.

• 58:49Mark Gagnon?

  And now they canceled Wireless.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Cancel the whole festival. Crazy.

• 58:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, cuz a lot of the sponsors were pulling out cuz Jay was gonna perform. And now Jay's pulling out, so now they lost their sponsors.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  Well, I don't think Jay pulled out. I think the country.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. The sponsors pulled out.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  Right.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  And then the government blocked also.

• 59:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  And, yeah, without the sponsors, they're still gonna do it. But the sponsor said the antisemitism, they couldn't cosign.

• 59:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  One of the sponsors was PayPal.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Which is, keep going. Keep going. That's a fact. That's just a data point.

• 59:20Mark Gagnon?

  But just keep going.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  But why would you bring that sponsor up specifically?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Cuz it's one of the sponsors that pulled out. What are you implying?

• 59:27Speaker 00

  I don't know. I'm just trying to ask what your, what your brain is.

• 59:30Mark Gagnon?

  You're being kinda pussy right now.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just saying, that's one of the sponsors, was PayPal. And PayPal said, we're not gonna condone this. What else is PayPal doing? Hey, why you stop being pussy, bro? I'm just, I'm, I don't know what you guys are wanting me to say right now. I'm just putting that out there.

• 59:44Mark Gagnon?

  Why'd you point out PayPal, not any of the other sponsors?

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, Diageo? I never heard that one. What is Diageo? Is that a, it's a beverage leader?

• 59:55Speaker 02

  And PayPal? Pepsi, you didn't bring that one up? I didn't know Pepsi. I didn't know that these ones. I just heard about PayPal. So, I don't want to hear them.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  But yeah, the wireless is cancelled. But you saw the concert in, in SoFi, right? That shit look fire, ain't gonna lie. Should look fire. That shit look fire. I wouldn't have gone. But it looked fire. It looked fire. Being there must have been crazy. Right. Which you wouldn't have supported him? No, I wouldn't have gone.

• 1:00:22Mark Gagnon?

  Can't, you can't, you can't support anti Semites.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  You can't. But if you were there, that shit would be crazy. Can't support a guy who sold a swastika shirt. That's, yeah, that's crazy. I don't even think Hitler sold them. And he said, he said- He was like handing them out, man. I don't think he was like profiting off of them.

• 1:00:38Mark Gagnon?

  And he said slavery was a choice. Can't support a guy like that.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Well, it wasn't a choice.

• 1:00:43Mark Gagnon?

  Whoa.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Well, white people chose it.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  White people's choice. Which is bad. I'm agreeing. We, we should-

• 1:00:49Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe that's what he meant.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  We shouldn't have chosen that.

• 1:00:51Mark Gagnon?

  All this time, we took him out of context.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Banger joke. We shouldn't have chosen to do that. It's on us. He just needed to clarify. Yeah, it was a choice by some really bad people. Bad people. Some bad actors. Yeah.

• 1:01:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, he could turn that around, right now. He might be able to turn that around.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  He could walk back that one. He could walk back that one.

• 1:01:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Fantastic.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:01:11Mark Gagnon?

  Like, whoa. If you saw that in person, it's fucking fire.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  If you did, but you wouldn't, obviously, because, you know-

• 1:01:17Mark Gagnon?

  No, but it was crazy because they were live streaming it in black and white. And I don't get it because like,

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  You want the colors.

• 1:01:22Mark Gagnon?

  I saw pictures of the color one.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. You saw pictures?

• 1:01:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  How good were the pictures?

• 1:01:27Mark Gagnon?

  It was great. Well, PayPal didn't support it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They weren't one of the sponsors.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  Why weren't they one of the sponsors?

• 1:01:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Of this? Why should they sponsor for a private concert where you sell tickets? That makes no fucking sense, dumbasses.

• 1:01:46Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, they sell tickets to, um, the, fuck.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Damn it.

• 1:01:52Mark Gagnon?

  What's the festival?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  If you gotta snap to get your brain to work-

• 1:01:54Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  It ain't coming, bro.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  Like it's a shitty TV.

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  Come on, motherfucker.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Come on, start, start.

• 1:02:03Speaker 00

  Fucking festival shit, UK, something.

• 1:02:07Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, bro.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:02:09Mark Gagnon?

  That shit look good.

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  That shit look good, though.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  Trying to get your godspeed to start, it's not starting.

• 1:02:14Speaker 00

  Come on. It did look good.

• 1:02:16Mark Gagnon?

  That was.

• 1:02:16Speaker 00

  Did you guys watch the whole thing?

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  I didn't, I just saw clips.

• 1:02:20Speaker 00

  I saw clips pop up without me even looking into it online. Like, I didn't, I didn't even click on the clips. They showed, they just came up in my feed.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  This was in LA. Which is crazy, that he sold out two SoFi stadiums. Eighty thousand people.

• 1:02:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Mark Gagnon?

  I think this is the best stage, probably all time.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  Nah, Taylor Swift.

• 1:02:39Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, come on.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  Taylor Swift was crazy.

• 1:02:41Mark Gagnon?

  Bruh, like, look at this.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  At the end of the day, he's just on a ball. Right, like, at the end of the day. It's nice when you just see the clips of it, but you don't think two hours later, you're like, I get it, you're on a ball?

• 1:02:53Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  But Taylor's on a square.

• 1:02:55Mark Gagnon?

  Whole time fascinated.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  That's huge.

• 1:02:56Speaker 00

  Taylor is swimming.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  Everyone's on different shapes.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  She's swimming at one point in time.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  Okay, well, she jumps into the thing.

• 1:03:02Speaker 00

  She jumps into the water, you see her swimming, outfit change, mid-swim, pop out the other side. Look at this swim. Oh, she's swimming. And she's swimming, Kanye ain't got this.

• 1:03:14Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't know this happened, this is actually kinda cool.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is sick.

• 1:03:16Mark Gagnon?

  This is kinda cool, I'll give it to him.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  And she's gonna pop out the other side.

• 1:03:20Speaker 00

  Different outfit.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  That's fire.

• 1:03:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's kinda dope.

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  And that's just one little piece.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  And you see why Kanye tried to suppress her success.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Of course he did, he knew.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  He knew.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Shit.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  He saw an unstoppable force.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:33Mark Gagnon?

  And then he's kinda biting Taylor, cuz I think they use the same technology.

• 1:03:36Speaker 00

  Hey, hey, Al, speak on it.

• 1:03:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I don't support antisemites.

• 1:03:41Speaker 00

  Neither do I.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:43Speaker 00

  All right, guys, take a break for a second. Listen, fellas, around thirty-seven years olds, okay? Things start changing, start watching a lot of reality TV, Housewives shows.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:56Speaker 00

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• 1:05:26Speaker 00

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  Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidone finasteride. Now, before we get back to the show, I do need to tell, while we're talking about Hims and being him, my Kelsey streak has continued. I just want to let you know, I am so far undefeated on Kelsey. I try to, you know, share my picks with the people.

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  But what's the, what's the streak?

• 1:07:17Speaker 00

  I have not lost yet trading on Kelsey. I just picked Michigan. I won again.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Wait, so what are your, what are your picks so far? You did Michigan, what else?

• 1:07:25Speaker 00

  Bad Bunny.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  You voted on Bad Bunny?

• 1:07:28Speaker 00

  No, I picked the first song on the fucking Super Bowl halftime show. It's pretty darn good.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Which song was it?

• 1:07:33Speaker 00

  Titi me preguntó.

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Boy.

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  Titi me preguntó.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  Boy. And then what was, what other one?

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  I don't know, I forgot it already, but.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Two for two, two for two is pretty good.

• 1:07:44Speaker 00

  I'm three for three. What was the other ones? What was it? Oscars. Oh, the Oscars, obviously. Pick Michael B. Jordan.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:07:50Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:07:51Speaker 00

  My point is.

• 1:07:52Mark Gagnon?

  Race trader.

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  I did. I care about greatness, Alan. There's one thing about me, I care about greatness.

• 1:07:59Mark Gagnon?

  Appreciate it.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  So, um, but no, I'm just telling you, and a lot of people have asked me like, how do I know? You just pick the winner. It's not that difficult. Like there's multiple choices. You pick the winning one and then you win.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 00

  I don't know why that's difficult for some people. Like there are people that lose for some reason.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Well, I guess, I don't like with this, for example, I don't know who's gonna win, like UConn or Michigan.

• 1:08:20Speaker 00

  Well, it's already happened. So you do know who won.

• 1:08:24Mark Gagnon?

  Are you?

• 1:08:25Speaker 00

  Yes, he is.

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't know before, is what I'm saying. I didn't know before.

• 1:08:28Speaker 00

  Yes, he is.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  How do you know who's gonna win before it happens? You're making it seem very simple. I mean, I guess you could like check the line and be like, oh, most people think Michigan's gonna win.

• 1:08:35Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:08:36Mark Gagnon?

  Mark, you just picked the winner.

• 1:08:37Speaker 00

  You picked the winner of it.

• 1:08:38Mark Gagnon?

  Like.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  There's one, listen how things work. There's a winner and a loser.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:08:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  You pick the winner.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  And then you win.

• 1:08:46Mark Gagnon?

  Simple.

• 1:08:47Speaker 00

  So what I do is I pick the winner. I can't believe it's even a real thing. I don't even, I can't believe it even exists. So what I do is that I'll look at the trades and I'll be like, oh, that's the winner. And then I pick that one. And so far, I haven't lost because I'm just picking the winning trade.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:09:05Mark Gagnon?

  You get it now.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  I think I'm getting it.

• 1:09:06Speaker 00

  Do you understand it?

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, for example, this one, Michigan has a hundred percent chance to win.

• 1:09:11Speaker 00

  Well, yeah. Yeah, they won already. But I picked Michigan even before they won because that was the winner.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  Same reason why I picked the Timo Boom Bo.

• 1:09:23Speaker 00

  I picked that one because I was like, oh, that's the winning. So that's the first song. That's the one that's gonna win. So I just picked the winners and then I tell people.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  That's the only time that I bet on is when he was fighting Pereira in the one with the, uh.

• 1:09:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  With the bow and arrow.

• 1:09:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  And this is the first time I've ever made a prediction.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  That I said he was going to win by knockout. And.

• 1:09:43Speaker 00

  Uh-oh.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  And win by decision.

• 1:09:48Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, so you just hedged it back?

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  So you had, you made two different trades, you're saying? I don't know exactly what I did.

• 1:09:54Mark Gagnon?

  One and it canceled out. And so he just broke even.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  Exactly. I gave them money. I gave them like, I think, ten bucks or something like that.

• 1:10:02Speaker 00

  So, so.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  I won the, the knockout one.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  But then I lost on the decision one and then I gave them money.

• 1:10:09Mark Gagnon?

  So you see what you did wrong there?

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I picked the winner, but I also picked the wrong thing about it.

• 1:10:14Speaker 00

  You've gotta only pick the winner.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, if you just picked the winner, then you'll win.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  But I picked the winner twice. That, that, I guess if you go twice and it doesn't count.

• 1:10:23Speaker 00

  No, you didn't pick the winner because he didn't win by decision. He won by knockout.

• 1:10:26Mark Gagnon?

  So you picked the lose.

• 1:10:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, you, you also picked the loser.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Some shit.

• 1:10:31Speaker 00

  Don't do that.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  So only pick one? Or never pick the winner?

• 1:10:34Mark Gagnon?

  Why is that difficult? You're usually smart.

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  This is why, this is why this exists because there's people like Mark out there that will pick the losing one.

• 1:10:41Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  Like, there are people I'm sure that picked UConn. That was the losing one.

• 1:10:45Mark Gagnon?

  Guys, at home, please, pick the winner.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  Just pick the winner one. This is very simple.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  And only the winner.

• 1:10:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Speaker 00

  I mean, listen, you can bring up anything and I'll tell you what the winner will be because I'll just go, oh, that's the winner. And then I'll pick.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  Iran.

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  I don't do politics, guys.

• 1:11:02Mark Gagnon?

  No politics.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  All right, what about Tesla deliveries in Q1 of 2026?

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  What is it? What are the options?

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  Well, obviously, it's 34,000. Wait, is that 340,000?

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  340 million?

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  340,000. 340,000 or 35.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  How many cars you think they're gonna deliver?

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  350,000. I can't read numbers.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  I need to research this a little bit more. I don't want to mess up my streak on this right now, but if I research it a little bit more, I'll just tell you which one is the winner. Is Bitcoin gonna hit on? When will Bitcoin cross 100K again? In the future. Good winner.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Is there a market for in the future?

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, if there's, that's the winner. If in the future, it probably.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Predict that? Is that an option?

• 1:11:46Mark Gagnon?

  Before October.

• 1:11:48Speaker 03

  This October?

• 1:11:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 03

  What is it at right now?

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  21%.

• 1:11:55Speaker 03

  No, no, what, what, how much is Bitcoin right now?

• 1:11:57Mark Gagnon?

  I think it's like 68, something like 69.

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 1:12:03Mark Gagnon?

  Nope. All right, guys, that's the winner.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  That's the winner. We get to check back in October. That'll be funny. Yeah, we'll check back.

• 1:12:09Mark Gagnon?

  Sheldon said it.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  Anyway, can we get back to the show, please?

• 1:12:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

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• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  There's a story on the internet that has consumed, uh, Americans, maybe even Canadians.

• 1:12:48Mark Gagnon?

  Wait a minute, where are you going with this?

• 1:12:51Speaker 00

  I'm just saying.

• 1:12:51Mark Gagnon?

  Uh oh.

• 1:12:52Speaker 00

  It is, it is a pretty big story. I know nothing about it. Al kind of knows a little bit about it.

• 1:13:00Mark Gagnon?

  I know nothing about it.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  You know nothing about it.

• 1:13:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  Luckily, we have an expert at the office.

• 1:13:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:13:07Speaker 00

  That can break this story down.

• 1:13:08Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  The story revolves around a reality show called Summer House.

• 1:13:14Mark Gagnon?

  Best show on television right now?

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  Al claims is the best show on television, is a reality show that takes place in the Hamptons. And I think some like, people in their, I don't know, twenties, thirties. They, they go there and they live the summer in the Hamptons and then.

• 1:13:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:13:29Speaker 00

  Shenanigans ensue.

• 1:13:30Mark Gagnon?

  I've never seen an episode, but our good friend Alex.

• 1:13:34Speaker 00

  There's some real drama about it. And then our good friend White Alex is going to come on to the pod. And she is going to break down this unbelievable saga. Give it up for White Alex, everybody. Alex in the bill. Let's go Michigan.

• 1:13:48Speaker 05

  Go Blue, my mic is not on.

• 1:13:50Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta turn that on.

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  Oh, we gotta get your mic on.

• 1:13:52Speaker 05

  I don't know how to do.

• 1:13:53Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:13:56Speaker 00

  And she's with us. Art, do you have her?

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  She's back. We got White Alex.

• 1:14:01Mark Gagnon?

  Alex in the bill. White Alex.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  Brr, brr, brr.

• 1:14:04Speaker 05

  Guys, you could not have set this up worse.

• 1:14:07Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  Hour and a half of race talk? What am I coming into?

• 1:14:12Speaker 00

  Why, why is there, is there like a racial dynamic in this drama?

• 1:14:16Speaker 05

  Yes, actually there is.

• 1:14:18Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:14:18Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  So we're perfectly situated to talk about it.

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  Also, go Blue, go Blue, go Blue, say it back.

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  Go Blue, we said it. Go Blue.

• 1:14:25Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:14:25Speaker 00

  Go Blue. Michigan wins.

• 1:14:26Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, we talking about Blue Square or what Blue are we talking about?

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  She says the same thing, actually.

• 1:14:30Speaker 05

  Michigan.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  She said Michigan and Blue Square is actually the same.

• 1:14:32Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  Actually, kind of true.

• 1:14:34Speaker 00

  That is true. All the, all the Jews from New York that don't get into Ivy League schools end up going to Michigan.

• 1:14:39Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  Phil's pointed, but.

• 1:14:41Speaker 05

  I'm in both diasporas.

• 1:14:42Speaker 00

  Are you gonna sit down or are you gonna stand up for this?

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  What do you want?

• 1:14:44Speaker 00

  I want you to sit down.

• 1:14:46Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:14:46Speaker 00

  So that you wear, you're framed up in the camera, but then I also would like you to reference this whenever you want.

• 1:14:50Speaker 05

  Okay, and I also have these for you guys.

• 1:14:52Speaker 00

  So you can utilize them.

• 1:14:53Speaker 05

  You can really understand.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Someone said this is the Epstein files for women.

• 1:14:56Speaker 05

  It really is, because it keeps going, like.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  Can you give us a quick backdrop of what this show?

• 1:15:01Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:15:02Mark Gagnon?

  Teach these idiots. You called into AM mornings. I'm so I got I have too much knowledge. I have to, you know, step out of this.

• 1:15:08Speaker 05

  We had a warm up.

• 1:15:09Mark Gagnon?

  Teach these idiots, you know?

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  Okay, I have my pointer. Basically, you don't know anything about the show at all.

• 1:15:13Speaker 00

  I I if I'm being honest with you, and I think I told you this yesterday. I thought Summer House was the show that Barstool did with the Chicken Leg Girl.

• 1:15:22Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  And then the other people.

• 1:15:24Speaker 05

  No, that's.

• 1:15:25Mark Gagnon?

  There's a girl with a chicken leg that works at Bar.

• 1:15:27Speaker 00

  No, she's like a Barstool chicken.

• 1:15:29Speaker 05

  She will come up in this story as well.

• 1:15:31Mark Gagnon?

  She's.

• 1:15:33Speaker 05

  No, no, she's just involved in the drama with Portnoy, but that's like chapter 15. We gotta start at number one.

• 1:15:38Speaker 00

  Start us in the beginning. What is the show?

• 1:15:39Speaker 05

  Summer House is a Bravo show.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:41Speaker 05

  You're familiar with Bravo.

• 1:15:42Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 1:15:42Speaker 05

  You have one.

• 1:15:43Mark Gagnon?

  The goat.

• 1:15:44Speaker 05

  Andy Cohen.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  Every housewife show.

• 1:15:45Mark Gagnon?

  Traitors.

• 1:15:46Speaker 05

  Yes, traitors. Ciara was actually on Traitors.

• 1:15:49Mark Gagnon?

  Used to be the Kardashians.

• 1:15:51Speaker 05

  No, Kardashians was E.

• 1:15:53Mark Gagnon?

  All right.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  But he was involved in E, wasn't he? Andy Cohen?

• 1:15:57Speaker 05

  Maybe like early, early, but Bravo NBC has been like.

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  It's own thing. Okay.

• 1:16:01Speaker 05

  It's own thing. Now on Peacock.

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  Now on Peacock.

• 1:16:03Speaker 05

  Just a walking advertisement.

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  Promoting.

• 1:16:05Speaker 05

  Okay, so it's a show where these people live in New York, technically have jobs like Monday through Thursday, but now it's kind of become like more influencers. Like it's not true, like working people, I would say. They have a shore house in Hampton's. They drive out there on Fridays. They party all weekend. They drive back on Sunday. They have like planned parties. They go out to the bars out there. You guys know about the bars.

• 1:16:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:16:27Speaker 05

  Out there.

• 1:16:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:27Speaker 05

  I know less about that. Basically, they just go and they started 10 years ago. It's kind of closest to like Real World or whatever Theo was on, whatever.

• 1:16:36Speaker 00

  Road Rules. But Real World, Real World would probably be this because this is the house.

• 1:16:41Speaker 05

  Before my time.

• 1:16:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:16:42Speaker 05

  I'm a child. This is my Real World.

• 1:16:45Speaker 00

  Yes, okay.

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  Okay, so Kyle.

• 1:16:48Speaker 00

  Can I ask one question? These are not married couples and they're not even couples in many cases.

• 1:16:53Mark Gagnon?

  No, they're married. Come on.

• 1:16:54Speaker 00

  But the show and its ethos where.

• 1:16:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, it's just a friend group.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:16:58Speaker 05

  It's just a friend group. It started with this couple, Kyle, no, Kyle and Amanda, Carl and Lindsay.

• 1:17:03Mark Gagnon?

  Carl.

• 1:17:04Speaker 05

  Carl and Lindsay had a big breakup of their engagement like three years ago.

• 1:17:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:17:07Speaker 05

  But now they're friends.

• 1:17:08Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:17:09Mark Gagnon?

  But is there a point to the show? Do you win?

• 1:17:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:11Speaker 05

  No, no, no, there's no game. There's no like love goal. Like you're not like going to find.

• 1:17:17Mark Gagnon?

  People living.

• 1:17:17Speaker 05

  A person. Just people living.

• 1:17:18Mark Gagnon?

  Drama.

• 1:17:19Speaker 05

  Drama, fighting, like they throw fun parties where they dress up.

• 1:17:22Mark Gagnon?

  Hookups.

• 1:17:23Speaker 00

  Maybe there's some.

• 1:17:23Speaker 05

  Hookups, that's the bread and butter is the hookups is the like, single people in the city, thirty year old media.

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  How popular is this show compared to like Real Housewives of, uh, Orange County or Salt Lake City or Beverly?

• 1:17:36Speaker 05

  Salt Lake is very powerful. The last couple of years, I'd say Salt Lake's like the king.

• 1:17:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:17:41Speaker 05

  But Summer House is unique and my favorite because it's the only one where you have girls, girl behavior. Like Housewives, it's mostly just like ladies screwing each other over. This is like thirty year olds, like being real people, kind of.

• 1:17:53Speaker 00

  Oh, so they're not leaning into the archetypes as much?

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  No, Housewives is usually like pretty like throwing wine at each other.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're here to cause drama.

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  And we're getting emotionally unstable people that don't really do a lot of self-reflection.

• 1:18:07Speaker 05

  These are like therapies for some things who are influencers. Like, that's interesting to me.

• 1:18:11Speaker 00

  Cause they're also looking at their career in terms of like, I don't want to be known as a crash out. I want to be.

• 1:18:16Speaker 05

  Exactly. You might remember Paige De Sorbo and Hannah Burner came from.

• 1:18:19Speaker 00

  We know Hannah as a comedian and then Paige is her podcast co-host.

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  Yes, Giggly Squad.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  They were on the show?

• 1:18:24Speaker 05

  They were on the show. They start Giggly Squad together. That's how they got their followings and Giggly Squad Bravo is like, you can't talk about Bravo, like just make another podcast. Meanwhile, best decision for them ever in the world.

• 1:18:35Speaker 00

  Cause now they're not.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  Cause now they tore Giggly Squad and Paige is laughing all the way to the bank.

• 1:18:39Speaker 00

  I did not know about them in terms of that show. I only knew about them as comedians in this podcast.

• 1:18:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, and they're also funny and charming and amazing. Like Paige is so cool. Hannah's so cool. So they come from Summer House.

• 1:18:51Speaker 00

  So it's a launching pad for.

• 1:18:53Speaker 05

  It's a launching pad.

• 1:18:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:18:55Speaker 05

  We're gonna talk about you getting me on Summer House after this.

• 1:18:57Speaker 00

  Okay, got you. Okay, we got this. We got this. Okay.

• 1:19:00Speaker 05

  All right.

• 1:19:00Speaker 00

  What's the drama?

• 1:19:01Speaker 05

  The drama, okay. Kyle is an OG. He's been there for ten years.

• 1:19:05Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:19:05Speaker 05

  She, Amanda, comes on season one as like a girl that's sleeping with Kyle. By season two, she joins the show as a cast member as Kyle's girlfriend. They've been together since then. They get married in twenty twenty one. So this, I actually have some markers. This is.

• 1:19:21Speaker 00

  Love it.

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  A married couple.

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:26Speaker 05

  Got it. Okay. Okay. So their marriage, like, they shouldn't have got married. Like, he was cheating before they get engaged. He stays out really late. She likes to stay in and smoke weed. That's like her vibe. Also Paige, they were like the bedbugs. They don't like to go out. But Kyle is like staying out with fans. Like, comes home at 6:30 a.m. Like, that's kind of his vibe.

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  He's a DJ.

• 1:19:51Speaker 05

  That's.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  Oh, he's a DJ? Yeah.

• 1:19:53Speaker 05

  He wasn't always. He's just become a DJ in the last couple of months because he's in like strife financially with his failing alcohol seltzer company.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  What's the seltzer company?

• 1:20:02Speaker 05

  It's called Loverboy. He's actually using this all to like promote it, honestly. Um, so, okay. They were married. What we're seeing on this season that they filmed in summer 2025. So like, we know things have happened since then, but we're still watching like what's going on. And now we're like early August. Their marriage falling apart. He's getting so drunk. He's yelling at her. He's saying fuck you at parties. He's being like, why are you skinny dipping with everyone? Meanwhile, they've all been.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  She's skinny dipping with other guys?

• 1:20:32Speaker 05

  They've all been in this friend group forever and they do skinny dip at the end of every season.

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  Kind of crazy.

• 1:20:37Speaker 05

  Fourth of July this year, she just jumped in the pool in her bra and underwear and he's like tweaking about it.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  With other guys?

• 1:20:43Speaker 05

  Yes, but everyone's clothed. She's just in a bra and underwear. It's not even skinny dipping.

• 1:20:47Speaker 02

  Is the bra ski through?

• 1:20:49Speaker 05

  It's not the most conservative. With all due respect, he looks embarrassing, like policing what she can do. Meanwhile, he's just really tight that they are like bitter and hate each other. And it's like, you know, when your girlfriend like hates you and you know, it's like time to.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  We're married, we don't know anything about this. Yeah, there's no hate at all coming towards. The couple that met on the reality show is not, doesn't have a stable marriage.

• 1:21:13Speaker 05

  Well, they kind of met outside of the reality show. But yes, she's very insecure. You can tell she's never really been with anyone else. And her friend Sierra is hyping her up to leave Kyle.

• 1:21:25Speaker 00

  This is Sierra.

• 1:21:27Speaker 05

  Sierra.

• 1:21:27Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:21:27Speaker 05

  So let's go back to Sierra and Wes and how we meet them.

• 1:21:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:30Speaker 05

  Sierra joins the show in like 2020 and just since then has been girl's girl. Like she enters the show, she's hooking up with this guy. She gets to the house, Hannah Berner's like freaking out. She used to hook up with this guy. She doesn't like that he's bringing a new girl, Sierra. Meanwhile, honestly, Hannah was like kinda in the wrong. Like Hannah was being crazy. It was totally fine, but Sierra is just like, I'm gonna ride for my girls. If a girl is uncomfortable, I'll find another guy. That's sort of her ethos in the house. She's also, I don't know if you can tell, fucking stunning.

• 1:22:01Speaker 00

  Smoke show. Yeah, I liked her on Traitors. Very, very beautiful.

• 1:22:03Speaker 05

  She's funny on Traitors.

• 1:22:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, she was very good.

• 1:22:05Speaker 05

  I'll kill all you traitors.

• 1:22:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Speaker 05

  She said that. Anyway, Sierra is a girl's girl. And this summer, she's hyping up Amanda to leave Kyle. And she also fucking hates Kyle. They're like best friends.

• 1:22:19Speaker 00

  They've known each other for how long?

• 1:22:21Speaker 05

  Six years?

• 1:22:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, six years. Best friends, six years. Yeah.

• 1:22:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, a long time.

• 1:22:25Speaker 00

  On camera telling another, she's on camera interfering with another person's marriage.

• 1:22:29Speaker 05

  Not necessarily interfering. It's like.

• 1:22:31Speaker 00

  Interfering.

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  You're in a friend group and one of your boys is like getting drunk and yelling at his wife in front of everyone.

• 1:22:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, not good.

• 1:22:40Speaker 05

  It's not great.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:42Speaker 05

  And Sierra's kinda like, you don't need to be with him. Have you ever tried being single? It's awesome. Like, that's kinda where she's at. She's recommending separation right now where we are in the season.

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  Any recommendation? Any recommendation of therapy or anything like that to work through their troubles? Yeah. Didn't they take a vow before God? They do take a vow before God to death to us part.

• 1:22:58Speaker 05

  It feels like we're past that.

• 1:23:00Speaker 00

  Because, because single friends oftentimes they're bitter of your, you know, loving relationships you're in.

• 1:23:05Speaker 05

  This is not a loving relationship. Also, Amanda's like talking, like in her confessionals right now, being like, fuck, I didn't sign a prenup. Like, that's where we're at with it. Cause he's talking about his like financial troubles. He's like 500 grand in deep.

• 1:23:18Speaker 00

  Oh, so she's gonna take that debt on?

• 1:23:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's kinda like, why am I with this loser?

• 1:23:22Speaker 00

  We didn't, we didn't, you don't think about that.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  That's something to think about.

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  Wait, so, hold on. This is a very important point.

• 1:23:31Speaker 05

  He gets a personal business loan without asking her to float like three more months of payroll of his dumb alcoholic seltzer company. Lover boy. People want to buy that.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  So if your, if your girlfriend or your wife has like medical debt from like nursing school.

• 1:23:44Speaker 05

  Uh huh. Sounds like your problem.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  No, that's not, that's not me.

• 1:23:47Speaker 00

  Well, were you guys married prior to her going to nursing school?

• 1:23:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:23:52Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:23:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, you were.

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  Uh, no, mid-whiffery school. We were married after, but nursing school.

• 1:23:57Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:23:57Speaker 05

  They have school for that?

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:58Speaker 05

  That's sick.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  What'd you think of what?

• 1:24:00Mark Gagnon?

  All work school.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, you get a bird. Uh, it's all right. So that's, okay, this is.

• 1:24:07Speaker 05

  Something for you to consider.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  Let me text someone.

• 1:24:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, just send a little text out there. Yeah.

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  But anyway.

• 1:24:11Speaker 05

  Prenups are good. All this is saying like we're past that.

• 1:24:13Speaker 00

  She's interfering with their marriage.

• 1:24:14Speaker 05

  She's not interfering. She's being, she's just being a friend. She's being a good bestie friend. Meanwhile, let's go back to Sierra. She joins the show and she's like, I'm smart, beautiful, amazing. Yes, I'm single. I like to date, but I'm also like dating intentionally. I want a man to kind of like be a man. She's like, I, I want a better marriage than my parents had. I don't have a good relationship with my father.

• 1:24:36Speaker 00

  Sounds like a great self-actualized human being.

• 1:24:38Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  I can root for her.

• 1:24:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:40Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 1:24:41Speaker 00

  She gets a lot of shit because she only hooks up with white guys.

• 1:24:44Speaker 05

  Not exactly. That'll come back later.

• 1:24:47Speaker 00

  I think that Al's probably more sensitive to the criticism like that.

• 1:24:50Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 1:24:51Speaker 00

  A little bit more glaring for him.

• 1:24:52Speaker 05

  I tried to bring that up on I have mornings and it was quite difficult.

• 1:24:54Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:24:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  Have you gotten shit in the past for only hooking up with white one?

• 1:24:58Speaker 00

  I don't know. Have I?

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  I, I would never.

• 1:25:01Speaker 00

  No, no, have I?

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  I would never give you shit. I think love is love.

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  I don't believe her in that. Yeah. But I'm glad that you finally acknowledged that your wife is white.

• 1:25:09Speaker 00

  No, she's not. That's a thing.

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  Taken us 10 years to get there, but uh, I'm really glad that you've done that. This is growth.

• 1:25:14Speaker 00

  Misracing.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Snap it out, snap it out.

• 1:25:21Speaker 00

  Okay, she's Latin.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  So Sierra.

• 1:25:23Speaker 05

  So Sierra, she comes into the house with the intention.

• 1:25:25Speaker 00

  One question. So is Sierra getting criticized for only hooking up with white guys while she lives in the Hamptons?

• 1:25:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:25:33Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:34Speaker 05

  It's not the only hooking up with white guys. It's the like getting played by white guys. But that'll, that'll come later. Basically, West is like, I'll be, he shows up a couple of seasons later.

• 1:25:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:44Speaker 00

  His name is Wes or West?

• 1:25:46Speaker 05

  Wes.

• 1:25:46Speaker 00

  Wes.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  With a T?

• 1:25:47Speaker 05

  Short for, I think, Westling, which sounds like you're saying Westling, like wrestling.

• 1:25:52Speaker 00

  Is there a T?

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  West. Kanye West.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  The direction.

• 1:25:57Speaker 05

  Yes, the direction. The direction and the antisemitic performer.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:26:02Speaker 05

  So, he joins the show and he's obviously like, this is the bombshell of the villa. I'm gonna get close to her. They're like friends, friends, friends. He wears her down.

• 1:26:10Speaker 00

  What does that mean, wears her down? That feels loaded.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Well, you know, when he tries to, you know, the gay baiting type of situation?

• 1:26:16Speaker 00

  Did he LARP his gay to get into her good graces?

• 1:26:19Speaker 05

  He's just kind of gay. Like, that's kind of his vibe. Like, he is like a swagged out white boy who writes for Complex. You know what I mean? He's like, kind of like fruity with it, I think. I think that's how he's kind of pulling all this off.

• 1:26:32Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  That works.

• 1:26:34Speaker 00

  I feel like that's the new thing that the, I've been asking the gays about this.

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  What did, what did the gays say?

• 1:26:40Speaker 00

  I'm just like, yo, you guys, you guys, you guys fucking fought for this, dude. You guys lost lives for this. You guys fought, and then now that it's cool, you're seeing all these straight guys LARP his gay to be like an ally.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  My culture's not your costume.

• 1:26:53Speaker 00

  My culture's not your costume. It is an interesting thing that's happening, and I think that they're being very accepting of it.

• 1:26:59Speaker 05

  I think you're totally right, and it's only underlined by heated R's popularity among straight women.

• 1:27:04Speaker 00

  Heated R means rivalry.

• 1:27:06Speaker 02

  Different, yeah. Hard R.

• 1:27:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Speaker 05

  Heated R.

• 1:27:10Speaker 00

  Heated R, sorry.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a Freudian slip. Yeah.

• 1:27:14Speaker 00

  Okay, go on.

• 1:27:15Speaker 05

  So he kind of wears her down and he's like, I like you, I like you. And then he just clowns her. He's like, I can't be exclusive with you. He takes her to-

• 1:27:23Speaker 00

  After hooking up?

• 1:27:24Speaker 05

  After hooking up and after taking her to meet his family.

• 1:27:27Speaker 00

  Oh!

• 1:27:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, he just kind of wants whatever he can't have. And also, something interesting, he's joining the show after all this. The show airs, he gets a ton of followers. He gets a ton of bad bitches hitting him up. That's a big thing about this show is that the dude's just like-

• 1:27:42Speaker 00

  They blow up.

• 1:27:43Speaker 05

  Going to fucking, you know, what's that bar in Mont-?

• 1:27:46Speaker 00

  Oh, uh- Side to not side talk down in Amagansett or in Montauk?

• 1:27:51Speaker 05

  In Montauk, like the facey facey one. Surf Lodge. They're at Surf Lodge and they love it. He's like, wait, why did I like? Pick Sierra too soon? That's kind of the vibe. Like I have the world is my oyster. Now I'm famous.

• 1:28:03Speaker 00

  She's beautiful, but now I got all these other beautiful girls.

• 1:28:05Speaker 05

  Absolutely. And remember she's like, kind of serious. She's, yeah, she's in her late twenties and she's like, I would love someone to love me and not be a clown. He's a clown. He makes a couple of other mistakes after his like first and second season, he's doing like a press tour. He just thinks like, everyone wants to hear what I have to say. He does like a New York Times thing where he's like, I would never date Sierra.

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  That's how you have to utilize this.

• 1:28:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. But you don't have to say, I would never date Sierra.

• 1:28:32Speaker 00

  Artist, is he a business?

• 1:28:34Speaker 05

  He's a sports journalist.

• 1:28:35Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:28:36Speaker 05

  That's kind of how he met Portnoy, like in the space, like there was talks of a Barstool podcast, but he works traditionally for Complex. Writing about sports, don't know anything about that. Set Michigan basketball. Go blue. Anyway, they used to hook up. This season, what we're watching is their marriage breakup and West kind of feeling like, oh shit, I fucked up with Sierra. I should get close to her again. Like that's kind of their afters. He's like, sitting in her lap. He's getting really drunk and he's like touching her arm and being like, yeah, I would kiss Sierra again. He's like, kind of, so we're watching these two things.

• 1:29:12Speaker 00

  So she successfully destroys their marriage and then he wants to rekindle the flame with Sierra.

• 1:29:18Speaker 05

  Yes, I'm not going to let you say that, that she's destroying their marriage.

• 1:29:22Speaker 00

  I'm just going off of your explanation. So this is all on you.

• 1:29:25Speaker 05

  Absolutely. I'll turn this around.

• 1:29:30Speaker 05

  So that's what we're watching. And at the same time, West, another guy in the house, Jesse, he's kind of like a B plot to all this. He asks West, hey, we've, Sierra and I have been flirting, like, could I?

• 1:29:42Speaker 00

  Could I crack?

• 1:29:42Speaker 05

  Could I, could I kiss her? And fucking Wes says no. Wes says, no, fuck you for even asking me that.

• 1:29:52Speaker 00

  So he's cock blocking, but doesn't want to claim her.

• 1:29:56Speaker 05

  But but what we're watching right now in like mid August is like we're headed towards maybe them rekindling.

• 1:30:00Speaker 00

  They're in the house together. Can I just ask a real quick question? They're in the house together?

• 1:30:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, man, that might be weird. Even like someone getting after your old work in the house with you.

• 1:30:09Speaker 05

  You're gonna love where this goes.

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wait till, yeah.

• 1:30:14Speaker 05

  Ciara is also like offended by Jesse asking that. She was like, why are you asking him if he can have sex with me? Why don't you just ask me on a date and then we'll handle Wes later?

• 1:30:22Speaker 00

  Doesn't she believe in girl code and like, didn't she not hook up with Hannah's guy because of that same exact reason?

• 1:30:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. She does not hook up with Jesse. She's like, you're fucking stupid for asking this. I'm hot and beautiful and charming and a fun vibe. Everyone knows that. It's your fault for like falling for me a little bit, which I kind of respect.

• 1:30:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:30:37Speaker 05

  Like, she's like, just because of me vibe doesn't mean I'm like gonna have sex with you, which.

• 1:30:41Speaker 00

  But he didn't expect it. He was just asking.

• 1:30:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, but Jesse's also like kind of a slut, like by Wes tells him no one week and the next week he's like making out with a girl while she's like peeing. And it's like, oh, my God, you're gross. Anyway.

• 1:30:53Speaker 00

  That's fire. Yeah, that could be kind of cool. I don't know. I didn't see a video. That's fire. She's peeing?

• 1:30:58Speaker 05

  You just like see it off camera. Like she's in the bathroom and he's like, while you're peeing? And then we're looking at their empty room, but we hear them in the bathroom. They're just like, it's crazy.

• 1:31:05Speaker 00

  Never tried that one.

• 1:31:06Speaker 05

  The show is good. Anyway, now what we've heard like a couple of weeks ago, rumors. Oh, oh, also, I should mention they separate in January.

• 1:31:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:31:16Speaker 05

  Of 2026. So we know what we're watching is two people heading towards divorce, which has been dark. And Amanda's been like America's sweetheart.

• 1:31:24Speaker 00

  What's happening here is not on the television show. This is just happening online?

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  No, this is everything I've described is happening on a television show. We're about to get into what's happening online.

• 1:31:32Speaker 00

  So the season ends and like they're still married and we don't know.

• 1:31:34Speaker 05

  They're still married, but like still hate each other. We know they're gonna separate in January, but like cameras are off. They're just people.

• 1:31:39Speaker 00

  So the season we're about to watch.

• 1:31:41Speaker 05

  Currently watching.

• 1:31:42Speaker 00

  Currently. Oh, the scene that's currently on.

• 1:31:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:44Speaker 00

  Six months old.

• 1:31:45Speaker 05

  Episodes airing.

• 1:31:46Speaker 00

  From the past summer.

• 1:31:47Speaker 05

  From the past summer, yes.

• 1:31:48Speaker 00

  Ah, so it's almost Kardashian-esque where like something happens in the real world and then we got to watch through.

• 1:31:53Speaker 05

  And that's Andy Cohen's genius is like it's the power's in the edit.

• 1:31:56Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:31:57Speaker 05

  And so they're they're watching this real time and they're all gonna go to a reunion in a while.

• 1:32:01Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:32:02Speaker 05

  Like, that's the thing to watch. That's bigger than the fucking.

• 1:32:05Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. What's happened off TV?

• 1:32:08Speaker 05

  So they separate and then a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:32:12Speaker 00

  Do they have kids?

• 1:32:13Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:32:13Speaker 00

  Thank God.

• 1:32:14Speaker 05

  Thank fucking God.

• 1:32:15Speaker 00

  They were together 10 years. Years, no kids.

• 1:32:16Speaker 05

  10 years, no kid, married since 2021. But like, he's not ready to be a dad. Like, no way. He's like, you smoke too much weed. And she's like, you stay out with teeny bopper fans. Like, it's like, cringe.

• 1:32:27Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:32:27Speaker 05

  I don't think Kyle's a good guy, if you can tell. Basically, now rumors surface that these two are kissing.

• 1:32:40Speaker 00

  I mean, she's got to feel so insecure, right? She's coming off of a 10 year relationship, the destruction of her marriage.

• 1:32:46Speaker 05

  Season is like sticking up to Kyle. He's being like, don't yell at your wife in front of us, you fucking asshole. Like, Amanda's a great girl who we all respect.

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  We like that.

• 1:32:54Speaker 05

  We like that.

• 1:32:54Speaker 00

  We like men stepping in with abusive relationships and protecting women.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:32:59Speaker 00

  So Wes is kind of a hero.

• 1:33:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, but Wes was trying to crack. And when he started to is unclear.

• 1:33:06Speaker 00

  Let me ask you this question. Was Wes trying to crack, or was Amanda in a situation where she was like any woman would be? Wow, you're putting out the woman.

• 1:33:14Speaker 02

  He's asking a question.

• 1:33:15Speaker 00

  No, she's in a situation where any woman would be where she's incredibly insecure after seeing like her foundation, her rock, her support system completely fall apart. DJ, as you said, which is very important. She's a homebody. She wants somebody to create the vibes for her. Yeah, exactly. That's no longer there. And she's incredibly vulnerable. Maybe you could say Wes took advantage of that.

• 1:33:34Speaker 05

  I totally agree.

• 1:33:35Speaker 00

  Maybe she just hooked up with the easiest option, someone she knew that wouldn't say no. Maybe she took advantage of. Yeah. Maybe she took advantage of Wes. Again, I don't watch the show. I'm just saying I'm throwing something out there.

• 1:33:45Speaker 05

  You're on to something with the first half of that thought and that she was vulnerable and she's never been alone. But that does not mean that you hook up with your friend's ex who you comforted them about. That is just breaking girl code. Like, you cannot do that. And remember, Ciara is a girl's girl. She would never even look at Kyle. She's like, kind of rude to him, honestly.

• 1:34:03Speaker 00

  But she would look at Jesse.

• 1:34:05Speaker 05

  No, she wouldn't. She said, I don't want to hook up with you.

• 1:34:07Speaker 00

  No. From what you said, she would have done it. She said, why don't you ask me out on a date? Why are you asking him first?

• 1:34:13Speaker 05

  Well, she was like, we could, like, you're just not even,

• 1:34:17Speaker 05

  you're not even entering the chat in the way that you think you are. You know what I mean? Jesse thought like, oh, she'd be so excited to just fuck me right now. And she's like, be fucking for real.

• 1:34:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:34:26Speaker 05

  Have you ever taken a woman on a date, ever? Like, I'm a woman. She also just like, a plot line of hers, she bought her grandparents' house with like, her own money. She's like, really cool.

• 1:34:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:36Speaker 05

  But. Yes.

• 1:34:37Speaker 00

  So she breaks girl code, but then he also breaks the guy.

• 1:34:40Speaker 05

  She does not break girl code.

• 1:34:41Speaker 00

  No, no, the other one, the other one.

• 1:34:42Speaker 05

  Oh, Amanda?

• 1:34:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:34:44Speaker 05

  Yes. So they start hooking up, like, we think rumored. We don't know when it starts. We're also like, we're going crazy. This is last week. I don't know if you guys could tell, I was very distracted.

• 1:34:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:53Speaker 05

  And then she and him, matching, black screen, Instagram story, white text, exact same thing. PR firm ass thing. They're saying, they're announcing their special connection, not a relationship, because he's incapable of relationships. Like, girl, you're getting someone who we know can't.

• 1:35:15Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:35:17Speaker 05

  She, they are announcing that they are fucking.

• 1:35:20Speaker 00

  They're fucking, but nothing more.

• 1:35:22Speaker 05

  Pretty much. Although, she's, what we can all presume, hiding in his apartment.

• 1:35:27Speaker 00

  What a guy, this guy. I'm, it's.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  He's housing a homeless woman?

• 1:35:32Speaker 00

  He's housing a homeless woman, that's dealing with a traumatic breakup, not only with.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  From abusive, bad guy.

• 1:35:37Speaker 00

  From an abusive bad guy and a breakup from her friend, right? She's no longer with her friend.

• 1:35:41Speaker 05

  Because she just got it to screw over her friend.

• 1:35:44Speaker 00

  Well, we don't know about that.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  Why is she screwing her friend? She's not dating Wes.

• 1:35:48Speaker 05

  But Wes is telling other people in the house, you can't hook up with Ciara. Isn't Ciara getting that same, like, shouldn't she have that same power, almost? Of like, my best friend shouldn't fucking hook up with the guy I've been complaining to.

• 1:36:01Speaker 00

  But didn't Ciara say, I can hook up with whoever I want? Why don't you just ask me out on a date? Why you have to ask him?

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, Wes is being toxic.

• 1:36:06Speaker 00

  Literally Wes did the thing that she told Jesse he should have done to her.

• 1:36:10Speaker 05

  No, Wes should not do anything with Amanda, ever, ever, ever.

• 1:36:14Speaker 00

  I'm just kinda saying, Wes is kinda like listening to Ciara and like living life through her eyes.

• 1:36:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, you had me on Team Ciara, but now they're like...

• 1:36:21Speaker 00

  I don't watch the show. I'm just saying, I don't watch the show.

• 1:36:25Mark Gagnon?

  I'm being convinced it's Team Wes right now.

• 1:36:27Speaker 05

  Can we remember, can we remember in this season, we're watching Wes kind of seduce Ciara again? And she's...

• 1:36:33Speaker 00

  But you can't seduce Ciara based on what you said to me. This is a strong, independent woman. She makes decisions for herself. She's not gonna let some guy manipulate her.

• 1:36:39Speaker 05

  Fuckboy, who doesn't? Who doesn't? Okay, that's the type of guy who does shit like that.

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  And are other women potentially projecting things that they've experienced in their life onto this relationship?

• 1:36:51Speaker 05

  Al did this on AM mornings. He's holding Ciara to a really high standard of like, oh, don't hook up with the fuckboy. Try to live your life that way. It's difficult. They're gonna sneak in the cracks because they get close to you and they pretend to be gay.

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  I'm yet to fuck a fuckboy, so it's not hard to not.

• 1:37:03Speaker 05

  There's still time.

• 1:37:06Speaker 05

  Lady fuckboy.

• 1:37:08Mark Gagnon?

  You are a lady fuckboy.

• 1:37:09Speaker 00

  Okay, go.

• 1:37:09Speaker 03

  I love the passion. Please stop hitting the board as hard as...

• 1:37:12Speaker 00

  No, hit it as long as you're hard as you want, it's fine. Okay, go. Okay, so just so I can understand this, and I'm trying to be completely objective here as someone who has not consumed the show, and I'm just going off of this explanation, what I've seen on the internet. Ciara, strong, independent woman, wants a serious relationship. Doesn't believe in this idea that like, just because two guys are friends, they should have to ask permission in order to ask her out on a date.

• 1:37:31Speaker 05

  She just wants to be involved more in the decision. I get that. I totally get that.

• 1:37:35Speaker 00

  She's totally, she's involved in everything. She's involved in their demise. She's involved in...

• 1:37:39Speaker 05

  Oh, because Amanda's unhappy. Ciara's not like putting that on Amanda. Amanda is actively crying about what her husband is yelling at her in front of everybody.

• 1:37:47Speaker 00

  He should not yell at her. You shouldn't be yelling at women.

• 1:37:49Speaker 05

  He be doing it.

• 1:37:50Speaker 00

  I know it's wrong. It is, it is, it is a, what is his name? Kyle? Kyle, this is, there's, you just cannot do that.

• 1:37:56Mark Gagnon?

  But try to live your life not yelling at women.

• 1:38:00Speaker 05

  We all yell at women. We all sleep with fuckboys.

• 1:38:01Speaker 00

  These are not, you can't yell.

• 1:38:03Mark Gagnon?

  No one perfect.

• 1:38:05Speaker 05

  It's really lame. It's like 2 AM and being like... Like you're not paying attention to me. You want to hang out with the other guys and not me and I'm your husband. And it's like, shut the fuck up.

• 1:38:14Speaker 00

  Oh, so he's, he's insecure. He's hurt that his wife doesn't want to be with him.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  He just wants to be loved.

• 1:38:18Speaker 05

  That's true. These people hate each other. Their marriage is like over. Like, like there's so much resentment on both sides.

• 1:38:24Speaker 00

  Because what they really want deep down, they can't ask for, which is, I just want your love. I don't want you to be sitting at home all night smoking weed and just cuddling up. I actually want you to take interest in what I'm interested in, which is DJing and selling seltzers.

• 1:38:35Speaker 05

  And hanging out with 25 year old fans?

• 1:38:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just want you to take interest in my interests.

• 1:38:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:40Speaker 00

  Why don't you ask him about these 25 year old fans? I'm just saying, like, maybe that's what he's really into.

• 1:38:45Speaker 05

  Something interesting is Amanda is crying and then two episodes ago, she's crying saying, I didn't ever think I could do better. That's why I married him. Like, if you're saying that, like, it's over.

• 1:38:56Speaker 00

  Listen, the reality is, is that, you know, we deal with these complex situations that are handed down to us from the relationships our parents have. And like, we really have to look into Amanda's parents and see that why she would.

• 1:39:06Speaker 05

  Amanda's parents are together, but with all this, we're, we're thinking about.

• 1:39:09Speaker 00

  But why would she settle for this, like, male model?

• 1:39:12Speaker 05

  She has.

• 1:39:13Speaker 00

  I can't imagine.

• 1:39:14Speaker 05

  Kyle is ageless. He's looked that way since he was born. He's 43. Can you tell?

• 1:39:18Speaker 00

  He's 43 years old.

• 1:39:19Speaker 05

  He's 43.

• 1:39:20Speaker 00

  So he's this incredibly handsome guy and the man is going, I didn't think I deserved anything better.

• 1:39:24Speaker 05

  Handsome. He's just like ageless.

• 1:39:26Speaker 00

  I think he looks handsome.

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  He's a DJ, he can B-match.

• 1:39:28Speaker 05

  I forgot I came on the gay podcast. You guys love men.

• 1:39:32Speaker 00

  Listen to the beginning. This is nothing compared to that. You should see his picture of Mark. Anyway, anyway.

• 1:39:41Speaker 05

  Where even are we?

• 1:39:42Speaker 00

  What, what, what you were framing to me.

• 1:39:44Speaker 05

  They just hard launched their thing, their situationship.

• 1:39:49Speaker 00

  It seemed to me, and I could be wrong, Wes is dealing with, with this emotional turmoil of realizing he fucked up the best woman that's ever been in his life. And he's probably not going to get another chance, being Sierra, this strong, independent.

• 1:40:00Speaker 05

  But he's working to get another chance.

• 1:40:02Speaker 00

  Let me, let me just posit the theory. So he's trying to, he's trying to get this girl back in his life. He realized he was being a fuck boy. And you know what? He ran this girl away and this girl's probably too strong. She's probably too independent. She probably respects herself too much.

• 1:40:14Speaker 05

  She's really not.

• 1:40:15Speaker 00

  To give him another chance. Let me just get it.

• 1:40:17Speaker 05

  She's like hard.

• 1:40:17Speaker 00

  Can I just get it out?

• 1:40:20Speaker 05

  I'm so phony on socials.

• 1:40:21Speaker 00

  Exactly, you are. Now, listen. So, so he's like, so he's like, fuck, I just ruined the best thing that could have ever happened to me. I'm down in the dumps. I'm feeling so insecure. I'm feeling so low. I just want to feel good. And Amanda, at the same time, thought that she could never do better than this guy. It turns out that that relationship was toxic. It was dysfunctional. He's yelling at her. Should never do it. They were with him to get together for 10 years. And you know what? It's not going to work out. So that both of them are in the dumps. They're at their lowest. And two people at their lowest find each other just so they can feel good for one moment. And then the entire world is scrutinizing.

• 1:40:55Speaker 05

  I'm listening. I'm listening. I just want to add some flair. That is what's happening. But let me tell you, I don't care what gender you are. If your friend comes to you and says, you know, I'm having a hard time with this guy who's like going in the New York Times saying I'm like undateable. That's top of your list. Do not fuck. Amanda, you've been in a relationship for 10 years. Try someone else that's not living in the fucking house. Didn't screw your friend over for the last three years.

• 1:41:22Speaker 00

  But you're not going to renew that contract if you do that.

• 1:41:24Mark Gagnon?

  What about Broco? Because they're cool. They're homies.

• 1:41:27Speaker 05

  These guys are friends. He just took her.

• 1:41:29Mark Gagnon?

  And you missed the big part. They might have been hooking up before they were actually separated.

• 1:41:33Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 1:41:35Speaker 00

  Is that true?

• 1:41:35Speaker 05

  We're watching. That's the intrigue of this season that we're watching right now.

• 1:41:39Speaker 00

  Let me ask you this question. Is it possible that Kyle talks to his boy, West, and he goes, West, I am in this marriage that I've realized is not right for me. I need to get out of this marriage. Is there any way?

• 1:41:51Speaker 05

  If this helps you go like go method?

• 1:41:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So he goes, hey, I need to get out of this marriage. It's not right for me. She's a lovely girl, but she's not into my interests. She doesn't want to DJ until 6:00 in the morning. She wants to smoke weed at the house all night. Right? I need to get out of this. Is there any way that you could help me?

• 1:42:08Speaker 05

  Funny. He doesn't want to get out of it. He loves Amanda. That's one thing about this guy. Like, he, like, she's so hot and awesome and cool. And like, everyone likes to hang out with Amanda. Like, he's realizing, like, why does my wife hate me? I wish she didn't hate me.

• 1:42:20Speaker 00

  What is, what are her interests besides smoking weed and chilling at the house? I feel like that's.

• 1:42:24Speaker 05

  Well, they all drink. She's also like has a.

• 1:42:26Speaker 00

  Do other drugs.

• 1:42:27Speaker 05

  She has a swimmer line.

• 1:42:29Mark Gagnon?

  She likes dating fuckboys.

• 1:42:30Speaker 00

  She out there fuckboy. Yeah, what jobs do they have? So he's a DJ. I'm not into the stay at the house all day smoking weed guys.

• 1:42:36Speaker 05

  Not all day. But she's just not staying at the club till four. She's like, I'm a married thirty-four year old woman.

• 1:42:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, I like that. I like that. I don't like going to the club till four.

• 1:42:44Speaker 05

  Peter Pan lifestyle. And she's like, no, thank you. We don't go out anymore like that.

• 1:42:48Speaker 00

  What is her occupation?

• 1:42:50Speaker 05

  She's a swimmer line, and I think she's like the creative director of his alcohol company, but I'm not a hundred percent.

• 1:42:55Speaker 00

  But the alcohol company's failing.

• 1:42:56Speaker 05

  Yes, the alcohol company's failing.

• 1:42:58Speaker 00

  Because of the.

• 1:42:58Speaker 05

  He's crying. His storyline is like, my wife hates me and I have three months payroll and my small business, and it's really depressing.

• 1:43:03Speaker 00

  Can I ask one question about that?

• 1:43:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:05Speaker 00

  So is there a version where he took out this small business loan so he could keep paying his wife that he loves?

• 1:43:10Speaker 05

  No, because he stopped taking salary. And I also don't know if that's what she's the creative director of. She's kind of like, he went to business school, he's a businessman. Why should I have checked about his loan?

• 1:43:20Speaker 00

  This guy, I feel like he might be misunderstood. It's also, he might be the victim in all of this. I think he might be.

• 1:43:26Mark Gagnon?

  This dude sleeping with his wife.

• 1:43:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:28Mark Gagnon?

  He just wants love from his wife.

• 1:43:30Speaker 00

  His wife wants to smoke weed and chill on a couch all day.

• 1:43:33Speaker 05

  You are so wrong.

• 1:43:36Speaker 00

  How is he in music? Does he have good music? Yeah, what is, what is the DJing like?

• 1:43:39Speaker 05

  It's like unoriginal. Like, he's just playing like, I will survive this past weekend, like.

• 1:43:44Speaker 00

  Isn't that what DJing is? Playing other people's music?

• 1:43:46Mark Gagnon?

  That is kind of DJ.

• 1:43:47Speaker 05

  I don't like him!

• 1:43:48Speaker 00

  No. You can make an argument that like Wes is DJing his wife.

• 1:43:55Speaker 00

  Right? Like, he's playing other people's hits. He is playing other people's hits.

• 1:44:01Speaker 00

  Like, and there might be a version where he really appreciates it.

• 1:44:04Speaker 05

  Can I say in this, like, situation that we're watching this season of Wes trying to, like, come back? Ciara's being very vulnerable at this big group dinner, saying, hey, you guys don't know how hard it is to be on this show. I was the first black cast member, and my fucking internet presence is just flooded with people clowning on me for just like letting these white boys play me.

• 1:44:22Mark Gagnon?

  That does suck.

• 1:44:22Speaker 05

  It sucks. It sucks really bad. And she's crying at this dinner, and the other black cast members are like, wow, thank you for, like, bringing this up. We could never, like, get them to understand. Like, Kyle doesn't know shit about that fuck. Like, he's just like, you know, not so emotionally in tuned, perhaps.

• 1:44:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:37Speaker 05

  And Wes is like being very mature and listening to her, and you think maybe he's gonna grow into like a person who can support her?

• 1:44:43Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 1:44:44Speaker 05

  And it's also pretty cool to be like, I'm so hot. She's a nurse, by the way. She's a nurse, influencer, model.

• 1:44:49Mark Gagnon?

  Kyle and Ciara would be perfect.

• 1:44:51Speaker 05

  No, she hates Kyle.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  I was about to say the same thing.

• 1:44:53Speaker 05

  She hates Kyle.

• 1:44:54Mark Gagnon?

  They sound like a perfect couple.

• 1:44:56Speaker 05

  She hates Kyle because Kyle mistreated her best friend.

• 1:44:59Speaker 00

  But now she knows her best friend will fuck her friend.

• 1:45:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, so maybe her best friend's actually a friend of mine.

• 1:45:03Speaker 05

  I don't think getting more entrenched in this is the move at all. And let me tell you.

• 1:45:07Mark Gagnon?

  Friend might be the problem.

• 1:45:08Speaker 05

  Rihanna has reached out to Ciara and said, I'm gonna set you up with Michael B. Jordan. He's down. She's like.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  Wait, Rihanna?

• 1:45:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  Friend of the show, one of Alex's friends that she took a photo with?

• 1:45:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I did.

• 1:45:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:45:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45:20Speaker 05

  Have you talked to her about this?

• 1:45:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I did.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  That is crazy.

• 1:45:23Speaker 05

  These were besties. So why would she do that? Like, we're watching, we just saw her birthday dinner. He got her a Cartier watch, but she planned all the food. So everyone's kind of like, you got her that Cartier watch because like, you suck? Like, is that?

• 1:45:39Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  Hold on, no, time is money, bro.

• 1:45:44Mark Gagnon?

  Hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 1:45:46Speaker 05

  He is like.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  So what is getting a Cartier watch?

• 1:45:48Mark Gagnon?

  That was insane.

• 1:45:50Speaker 05

  Tell me, tell me.

• 1:45:51Mark Gagnon?

  Hold on one second.

• 1:45:51Speaker 05

  It's kind of like when you get flowers because you yelled at her. Like, you know, like, that was the tone of the watch giving. But she's planning the birthday.

• 1:45:59Speaker 00

  Then getting a girl a nice gift

• 1:46:03Speaker 00

  is in place of doing all the planning.

• 1:46:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's unattractive.

• 1:46:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, but the guys that do all the planning, they probably aren't willing to buy their girl something really nice.

• 1:46:15Mark Gagnon?

  Or the good guys do both.

• 1:46:17Speaker 05

  Trying to be like, here, I'm a good husband.

• 1:46:19Speaker 00

  The good guys do both.

• 1:46:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:22Speaker 05

  The good guys might not exist, is what this is showing me.

• 1:46:25Speaker 00

  I don't know if you're gonna find good guys that want to be on reality shows.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think Bravo's Summer House.

• 1:46:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't know if that's where you're gonna find your guy. These, these people, they all might be sweet.

• 1:46:37Speaker 05

  That's a concession I can give you.

• 1:46:38Speaker 00

  They have probably an insatiable desire for attention without a skill to get it. So therefore, they put themselves on.

• 1:46:43Speaker 05

  The same thing you said about podcasters.

• 1:46:44Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 1:46:47Speaker 00

  We're comedians, okay?

• 1:46:49Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:46:50Speaker 00

  We're comedians, yes. You could say it about podcasters.

• 1:46:52Speaker 05

  I'm just saying, we live in an attention economy. Everyone loves the sound of their own voice. I don't think Summer House is like as bad as like.

• 1:46:58Speaker 00

  To your point.

• 1:46:59Speaker 05

  This is the most chic one you can do.

• 1:47:00Speaker 00

  I think you could say it about podcasters, but I think if you have like an art, like let's say you do music or you do comedy or something like that, you have a thing you could get attention for.

• 1:47:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:47:09Speaker 00

  I don't know if these guys have a thing they could get attention for, therefore the currency is drama.

• 1:47:14Speaker 05

  The currency is drama for sure.

• 1:47:15Speaker 00

  And it's a really tough situation to put, like I look at the Housewives chicks and I go, they need attention, they want cameras on them, they want people talking about them, but they don't really have the skill to do anything.

• 1:47:23Speaker 05

  They're usually broke, the Housewives.

• 1:47:25Speaker 00

  Well, maybe they need money as well.

• 1:47:26Speaker 05

  They go on that show to get money. These people are going on the show to get a following to like have a future like Paige and Hannah.

• 1:47:32Speaker 02

  It is interesting that this guy has a failing seltzer company on one of the biggest shows on TV.

• 1:47:36Speaker 05

  I know, it's so lame. You've had 10 years of free advertising, you can't make an alcohol company work? Are you fucking dumb as shit?

• 1:47:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:43Speaker 02

  Maybe it's creative direction, huh?

• 1:47:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, it could be the creative direction. Like maybe if he hired a different creative director, then there would be a more successful company.

• 1:47:50Speaker 05

  Unsheath my sword.

• 1:47:51Speaker 00

  But he's so loyal that he won't fire his wife, who might be the issue for the business.

• 1:47:54Speaker 05

  I regret saying that, actually. Joey, can we get a fact check on that? What is she, the creative director of Amanda? But she does have a swimmer line, and I know that was important to her for.

• 1:48:04Speaker 00

  And how's that doing?

• 1:48:05Speaker 05

  I don't know. She didn't wear one in the pool that day, and that was a huge problem.

• 1:48:09Speaker 00

  Ooh, she has a swimmer company and she's wearing. You have a swimmer company, but you're skinny dipping. A lot of things, things are not acting up.

• 1:48:15Speaker 05

  She also was wearing a bra on, right?

• 1:48:17Speaker 02

  Oh, the beverage brand Loverboy.

• 1:48:18Speaker 00

  She is the creative director and lead designer for the beverage brand Loverboy.

• 1:48:22Speaker 05

  She's an artist. She's like, she's like, that's her thing. She says that. She's like, I don't know anything about business. I design.

• 1:48:28Mark Gagnon?

  Well, clearly she doesn't, because the company's failing.

• 1:48:31Speaker 05

  And, oh my God, he looks crazy.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  Maybe, so maybe there's another reason why it's failing. Maybe.

• 1:48:36Speaker 05

  Have you ever seen this drink out? Like, they have distribution problems. It's like a poorly run company. Like, you've never heard of it?

• 1:48:43Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:48:44Speaker 05

  So.

• 1:48:45Speaker 00

  But I also, yeah.

• 1:48:49Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:48:50Speaker 05

  He's so cringe.

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• 1:52:14Speaker 00

  So who are we team?

• 1:52:15Speaker 05

  We are team Sierra.

• 1:52:18Speaker 00

  I was up until I heard their side like.

• 1:52:22Speaker 05

  Can we get into the Portnoy timeline of it all?

• 1:52:24Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:52:25Speaker 05

  An intrigue of watching this past season. Okay, so Portnoy basically speaks up and he's like, when they do their dual post last week, he was like, oh, well, this is old news. Chicken Fry, familiar. Chicken Fry told me that at the Super Bowl and everyone in the internet says, whoa, whoa, whoa, we never heard Super Bowl timeline before. So they, they have been hooking up at the Super Bowl. They've only been separated since January. That's one month. And then we look back at the fucking season that we're watching right now and she'll like, Kyle's drunk and yelling at her. She'll go in the bathroom crying, right? She'll come out and she'll, she'll see Wes and she'll smile. Or like, or like, they're, they're walking by each other in the hallway and she'll kinda like, do like a dragging arm thing and their arms are touching.

• 1:53:09Mark Gagnon?

  Oh yeah, they're fucking.

• 1:53:10Speaker 05

  And I'm watching now being like, oh, all bets are off of when this situation started.

• 1:53:15Mark Gagnon?

  They're fucking.

• 1:53:16Speaker 05

  And they were also suss as fuck hiding it.

• 1:53:19Mark Gagnon?

  Monkey boss.

• 1:53:20Speaker 00

  It's where like you like, you don't.

• 1:53:21Mark Gagnon?

  You don't let go of one until you have a hand on it.

• 1:53:23Speaker 05

  She could not let go of him until she had him. And she.

• 1:53:26Speaker 00

  So maybe he helped, he's like methadone. Like he helped her off it.

• 1:53:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, but she should be off men entirely. She's, I encourage her to like learn from this.

• 1:53:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, like you can't go cold turkey.

• 1:53:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, if you're bouncing on a crazy style for years, all of a sudden you stop.

• 1:53:40Speaker 00

  Years of bouncing on a crazy style.

• 1:53:42Speaker 05

  I know, they were having sex.

• 1:53:44Mark Gagnon?

  Come on.

• 1:53:44Speaker 05

  He, oh my God, in the show, he asked her to shower with her and she says no. It's like.

• 1:53:50Mark Gagnon?

  She sounds horrible.

• 1:53:52Speaker 05

  She's not great.

• 1:53:54Mark Gagnon?

  She like, there's nothing in Daring you mentioned about her at all.

• 1:53:57Speaker 05

  She's very insecure leaving this relationship and like went for the first thing.

• 1:54:01Speaker 00

  But the way you're describing her, she's like some pothead that just hangs out on the couch while her husband's company that he pays her to work at is failing. Maybe she should be working.

• 1:54:09Speaker 05

  I think you're over emphasizing this donor thing. That's not really her whole personality.

• 1:54:12Speaker 00

  What you said that her personality was and her entire identity.

• 1:54:14Speaker 05

  She's just kinda like, oh, it's 11pm, maybe I'd wanna like watch a show and hit the pen with my husband.

• 1:54:19Speaker 00

  Maybe you should design some new cans. Maybe you should work on the brand.

• 1:54:22Mark Gagnon?

  He asked her to come in the shower and she said no, like, he's trying to get a little man.

• 1:54:26Speaker 00

  There's nothing better than coming in the shower.

• 1:54:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:28Speaker 05

  I'm just saying, they're not having sex. Like, it's not like she's like.

• 1:54:31Mark Gagnon?

  But I mean, it seems like it's hers. She's the problem. He's trying. He's making an effort.

• 1:54:36Speaker 00

  So he's making an effort.

• 1:54:37Speaker 05

  Wes is the fucking problem. That is your ex's best friend? You wouldn't do that.

• 1:54:41Mark Gagnon?

  They're both fucked up.

• 1:54:42Speaker 05

  You guys all wouldn't do that.

• 1:54:43Speaker 00

  What'd you get mad at a scorpion for stinging something? You know? It's like, you know my nature. You decided to ride across the river.

• 1:54:50Speaker 05

  We didn't quite know his nature. This is very dark. How would you know that he was gonna do this?

• 1:54:54Speaker 00

  We know his nature.

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  Fuckboy.

• 1:54:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you gotta expect that from fuckboys like.

• 1:54:59Speaker 05

  But we only learned he was a fuckboy once he had already like been engaged with Ciara and like invited.

• 1:55:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, Kyle was a fuckboy?

• 1:55:07Speaker 00

  They were engaged?

• 1:55:08Speaker 05

  No, like engaged with, like they were, he was already kissing Ciara on this first season of his and then once it airs, then we kind of realized he's a fuckboy.

• 1:55:16Mark Gagnon?

  When you say kissing, they were fucking.

• 1:55:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:18Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:55:18Speaker 00

  But like, they were hooking up and then because they're hooking up on the show, it means they're in a relationship?

• 1:55:25Speaker 05

  She was kind of like, I don't really want to be with anyone unless you like actually have feelings for me. And he kind of was like, yeah, okay, like I'll.

• 1:55:32Speaker 00

  He kind of was like, or he said, okay, I'll be with you.

• 1:55:35Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 1:55:35Speaker 05

  He's like.

• 1:55:36Speaker 00

  This is like girl ears where like they hear, yeah, we're in a relationship, but he's probably like, nah, we're just fucking. And then she gets upset.

• 1:55:42Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I kind of think he's doing the thing where it's just like.

• 1:55:45Speaker 05

  He's been using his close friendship with her to be like, yeah, like I know you want someone like on that someone. And then the second he can like get ass with his new followers, he's like, I would never be with Ciara. Let me tell fucking every podcast and news outlet, who cares what I have to say, that like, I would never want to be with Ciara. Meanwhile, she's like, fuck you, dude. Keep my name out your mouth. You're a rookie. You've never been on a reality show. You don't do that to each other. Like we're a tight knit community.

• 1:56:10Mark Gagnon?

  A rookie.

• 1:56:10Speaker 02

  Wait, Survivor, you do that to people and like traitors?

• 1:56:13Speaker 05

  But this isn't a.

• 1:56:13Speaker 00

  Isn't the basis of reality shows fucking people over?

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I thought that was the point of it.

• 1:56:17Speaker 05

  I guess in that, in that unique way, your favorite word, gauche.

• 1:56:20Speaker 00

  Yes, so gauche.

• 1:56:22Speaker 05

  So gauche. You wouldn't do.

• 1:56:24Speaker 00

  But I would also say.

• 1:56:25Speaker 05

  If you got in a disagreement with Mark, you wouldn't like go to the New York Times and be like, Mark was rude to me.

• 1:56:29Mark Gagnon?

  But that could actually help with ticket sales if you.

• 1:56:33Speaker 05

  Talk about me as much as he can.

• 1:56:34Speaker 00

  Can't gag on, he'll be at Sash next week and the Mary Lo Show as well.

• 1:56:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:56:38Speaker 00

  Um, I, it seems to me that Ciara's personality type does not fit with reality TV.

• 1:56:47Speaker 05

  No, she is like really fun and funny.

• 1:56:50Speaker 00

  But that's not what the show is about.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  Would you rather all of them are just like really well adjusted and nice?

• 1:56:54Speaker 00

  This show, let me tell you what this show is about, having never seen it.

• 1:56:58Speaker 05

  Uh huh. Drama.

• 1:56:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. And the first time there's some real drama, the entire world is talking about it. So that's what this show has been missing.

• 1:57:04Speaker 02

  Well, there's been, there's been a lot of- Perfect for the show.

• 1:57:06Speaker 00

  Because you need-

• 1:57:07Speaker 02

  She represents you.

• 1:57:08Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:57:09Speaker 02

  She represents the viewer.

• 1:57:09Speaker 00

  Someone to get fucked over by these psychopaths on a reality show. What I mean by like not supposed to be on a reality show, I mean, the personality type, she's like so like measured and from your description.

• 1:57:19Speaker 05

  Cool and normal.

• 1:57:19Speaker 00

  Cool and normal.

• 1:57:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:57:20Speaker 00

  And then she's almost taken advantage of by all these people who are not really measured, cool and normal. They have a sensational desire.

• 1:57:25Speaker 05

  And she's also dealing with something that is being a 10 out of 10. She's like, everyone's obsessed with me. Don't fuck me unless you were serious about it. You know, all the dudes come in the house and like wanna fuck with Sierra and she's like, I only wanna let someone in. They're like, share my values.

• 1:57:40Speaker 00

  Has she tried not fucking him?

• 1:57:42Speaker 05

  She did try. He weaseled his way in through friendship. That I don't know. A summer.

• 1:57:48Speaker 02

  He weaseled in through friendship?

• 1:57:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:57:50Speaker 00

  Played the long game.

• 1:57:51Speaker 05

  We've seen it done.

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Oh, we've seen it.

• 1:57:53Speaker 05

  We've seen it done.

• 1:57:53Speaker 00

  Just saying, girls, you gotta hold out a little bit longer. You gotta see.

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:57Speaker 00

  You gotta see how long they work.

• 1:57:58Speaker 05

  Sierra here is the mistake.

• 1:58:00Speaker 00

  I'm just-

• 1:58:00Speaker 05

  Spend any time going on her behavior.

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  Outside, don't bring it inside.

• 1:58:04Speaker 00

  Don't bring the wooden horses.

• 1:58:05Speaker 05

  Why is he allowed to be a wooden horse?

• 1:58:07Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  Because he-

• 1:58:08Speaker 05

  He's a badass guy.

• 1:58:10Speaker 00

  That's what guys do.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Take it up with Andy Cohen.

• 1:58:13Speaker 00

  Reality shows.

• 1:58:14Speaker 02

  Get him off the payroll. I mean, is he on a TV show?

• 1:58:16Speaker 00

  If you're fucking the guy who goes on the reality show for attention, he knows what he has to do.

• 1:58:21Speaker 05

  That's a non-starter.

• 1:58:22Speaker 00

  Do you have to only fuck people on the reality show?

• 1:58:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:58:26Speaker 05

  That's an interesting thing to me because I'm like, dude, just find another dude.

• 1:58:30Speaker 00

  Then why can't she?

• 1:58:31Speaker 05

  Because she's insecure.

• 1:58:32Speaker 02

  Because the producers are telling her, hey, hook up with this guy.

• 1:58:34Speaker 05

  Because she's insecure.

• 1:58:35Speaker 00

  Ding ding ding, Mark. Bring the reality.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  I was playing the cave babe for a little, but it's also like, what are we talking about?

• 1:58:41Speaker 00

  What are we talking about, right? Give Alex real talk.

• 1:58:43Speaker 05

  Tell him.

• 1:58:43Speaker 00

  Give Alex real talk, girl.

• 1:58:44Speaker 05

  Let's get into it.

• 1:58:45Speaker 00

  Give Alex real talk, Mark. Talk your shit.

• 1:58:47Speaker 02

  What is like, this is not real.

• 1:58:50Speaker 05

  What do you mean?

• 1:58:51Speaker 02

  Like this is, is a science experiment. The producers put them in rooms and then they manipulate them and then they edit it to make it look like something happened.

• 1:58:57Speaker 00

  And they add alcohol.

• 1:58:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:59Speaker 05

  This one is like the most real, for sure.

• 1:59:01Speaker 00

  Oh, you're so terrible. She's so cute. She's so cutie.

• 1:59:07Mark Gagnon?

  They really buy into this shit. I know.

• 1:59:10Speaker 05

  Can I just say, like, watching a trash show for 10 years? This is the kind of punchline you hope is gonna pay off. You know what I mean? Like, we've been invested in these people.

• 1:59:17Mark Gagnon?

  This is adorable.

• 1:59:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's fun, but it's not like Alex. Alex, if you was growing up, I was like, Christopher Columbus was so noble and brave.

• 1:59:26Speaker 00

  I read it in a book.

• 1:59:28Speaker 05

  I did learn that in high school that he might not be.

• 1:59:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, he might not be, but whatever. We're here already.

• 1:59:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:34Speaker 00

  So the point is, you have people who are probably all a little bit crazy. That's why they agreed to go on a reality show and expose the inner workings of their emotional turmoil with the world.

• 1:59:47Speaker 02

  Without even equity stakes.

• 1:59:49Speaker 05

  Do you guys not see any intensive? Look at Paige, look at Hannah.

• 1:59:53Speaker 00

  Would you let somebody film you hooking up with guys? And you still had a day job?

• 1:59:58Speaker 05

  If I could work here Monday through Thursday and get this following Friday through Sunday, absolutely, I fucking would.

• 2:00:03Speaker 00

  I don't think that you would.

• 2:00:04Mark Gagnon?

  No, you wouldn't.

• 2:00:05Speaker 00

  No, I can't say what you wouldn't do, and I'm not talking about hooking up with guys. But would you let somebody film, like, the intimacies of your emotional relationships? And you still worked at a restaurant? It's one or the other, right? Like, this is, they're giving them nothing.

• 2:00:18Speaker 05

  I guess you're doing it as an out to get out of your restaurant job. You're hoping that you can build a following to get out.

• 2:00:23Speaker 02

  So it's like emotional squid games. It's like, instead of competing to the death, you're just like putting your psyche on the line every single episode.

• 2:00:30Speaker 05

  Hoping that you can make yourself a face.

• 2:00:32Speaker 00

  And you're going through that job, and Monday through Thursday, you're like, man, this sucks. I'm like, I know how to get attention on this show. I know what I gotta do.

• 2:00:39Speaker 05

  That's more Vanderpump.

• 2:00:40Speaker 00

  I know what I gotta do.

• 2:00:40Mark Gagnon?

  And Alex.

• 2:00:41Speaker 05

  They actually worked together.

• 2:00:42Mark Gagnon?

  There are some success stories like Hannah and Paige, but then you also have Kyle, who's in debt with a shitty company that's been on for 10 seasons.

• 2:00:51Speaker 05

  Now he's doing front-facing content, being like, it was really hard for me to be open about my financial losses, and I would really support if you guys would, uh, would support Loverboy and come to my DJ shows. So I think he's gonna, like, turn it around.

• 2:01:03Speaker 00

  10 seasons.

• 2:01:04Speaker 05

  He's just a fucking loser. That's a big takeaway is Kyle is lame.

• 2:01:08Speaker 00

  I don't know enough.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  I don't know the guy.

• 2:01:10Speaker 00

  I don't know. I don't know enough. I don't know enough. But based on what you're saying, I think a lot of people could probably relate to having a dream and like giving everything and putting after it and then like it not working out.

• 2:01:19Speaker 05

  And then your boy steals your wife. That is the.

• 2:01:23Speaker 02

  That would suck.

• 2:01:23Speaker 00

  This guy, this guy has lost the most.

• 2:01:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:01:28Speaker 00

  This guy's lost. He lost the love of his life and his marriage.

• 2:01:32Speaker 05

  Amanda also lost her marriage and her good.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  Creative director.

• 2:01:36Speaker 00

  Amanda's gonna be fine. She already got another guy.

• 2:01:38Speaker 05

  Be the creator. I don't know.

• 2:01:40Speaker 00

  But like she's already got another guy and she's the talk of the town.

• 2:01:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:43Speaker 05

  She's the talk of the town in a bad way. And honestly, something that I think Amanda's not calculating is that West will not commit to you either bitch. I'm sure that he's just like scrolling through his new followers from this, looking at everyone in a bikini being like, life's awesome.

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  Wes should be the face of their seltzer brand.

• 2:01:59Speaker 00

  That is lover boy.

• 2:02:00Speaker 02

  Cause he's like the kind of the epitome.

• 2:02:02Speaker 05

  He's not a lover.

• 2:02:03Speaker 00

  But girls don't wanna lover.

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  Girls really drink seltzer don't wanna lover, is it? They wanna fuck boy.

• 2:02:09Speaker 00

  They wanna fuck boy.

• 2:02:10Speaker 02

  But you can't put that word on a can.

• 2:02:12Speaker 00

  So you say lover boy.

• 2:02:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:13Speaker 00

  It's fuck boy seltzer. And that's.

• 2:02:15Speaker 05

  We call it Wes.

• 2:02:16Speaker 00

  Peak fuck boy right there.

• 2:02:17Speaker 05

  I would assume that Kyle wants to kill Wes.

• 2:02:20Speaker 00

  No, no, no. Kyle wants attention. And Wes is giving Kyle attention.

• 2:02:28Speaker 05

  But it's the worst kind of attention.

• 2:02:30Speaker 00

  No, it's better because before he was just. Can you explain that reality show to her?

• 2:02:34Speaker 05

  No, it's the worst.

• 2:02:35Speaker 02

  Do you think so cool Steve Austin really tried to kill Vince McMahon?

• 2:02:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. What do you, what do you believe and not believe?

• 2:02:39Speaker 02

  When they, like, do you think Vince McMahon's daughter really married Triple H?

• 2:02:43Speaker 05

  Do you think I sit down and watch WWE, Mark? Do you think that's my palette of content?

• 2:02:48Speaker 00

  Yes. Yeah, you're. WWE is realer than this. I promise you.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  Actually, in fairness, Triple H did marry Vince McMahon's daughter after.

• 2:02:58Speaker 02

  Actually, I'm working against myself.

• 2:02:59Speaker 05

  I'm, this is like pretty fucking real to me. I don't know. Because also when they announced their, you're laughing. When they announced.

• 2:03:06Speaker 00

  So adorable.

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:08Speaker 00

  This is like.

• 2:03:08Speaker 05

  Can't women have hobbies?

• 2:03:10Speaker 00

  I'm thinking about my daughter and I'm gonna have to go through this in a few years with like Blue's Clues.

• 2:03:16Speaker 02

  But Blue's Clues is always more blue because it listens to you. It's like, where's the pencil? And you're like, it's over there. And he's like, oh, thanks.

• 2:03:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, the pencil is Wes and Batula.

• 2:03:25Speaker 00

  Batula? That's her last name?

• 2:03:26Speaker 05

  Batula, yeah. There's a picture of Ciara when they co-post their like Instagram story thing. There's just a paparazzi picture of her in New York City in meatpacking, like on the ground. To the point where it's like, oh, I thought she probably knew, but she didn't know that they were posting that. Clearly. She's like literally outside of like pasties, like fuck, on the ground. So it's like, she's just getting screwed over by people that she loved.

• 2:03:50Speaker 00

  She does really believe this shit.

• 2:03:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't think that the paparazzi-

• 2:03:52Mark Gagnon?

  How did the paparazzi know she was gonna be there?

• 2:03:54Speaker 05

  Can I tell you, I actually got this in a group chat of like, women I went to college with way before Page Six had it.

• 2:04:00Speaker 00

  Are you starting to realize a little bit of what's happening or no?

• 2:04:06Speaker 05

  I know.

• 2:04:11Speaker 00

  Page Six gets this great shot.

• 2:04:13Mark Gagnon?

  Perfect shot.

• 2:04:14Speaker 00

  At the exact moment when they-

• 2:04:16Mark Gagnon?

  What if you go hard lock there?

• 2:04:17Speaker 05

  Can I show you that I had this photo before it was published?

• 2:04:20Speaker 00

  Nurturingly and carrying it. Why would the paparazzi be outside?

• 2:04:23Speaker 05

  It wasn't a paparazzi. I literally got this text in a group chat. My friend sent me like, oh, so and so sent me this photo. Like, they saw her there. Like, that photo is not like-

• 2:04:32Speaker 00

  So it might be completely detached from this.

• 2:04:34Speaker 05

  I think a 27 year old girl who works at WME got a paycheck for selling that photo.

• 2:04:39Speaker 00

  But it's possible that this has nothing to do with this at all. It's possible that's not even Ciara.

• 2:04:45Speaker 05

  What do you mean by that?

• 2:04:46Speaker 00

  I'm just saying.

• 2:04:46Speaker 05

  Are you introducing psyops?

• 2:04:47Speaker 00

  I'm just saying. It's possible it's AI. It's possible it's anything. If we don't have the dates to this, it just looks like a moment where she's in despair and then we're applying it to this situation. It could have nothing to do with it.

• 2:04:57Mark Gagnon?

  And who's the dude consoling her?

• 2:04:58Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 2:04:59Speaker 05

  That I don't know. He looks like a gay older gentleman.

• 2:05:02Speaker 00

  Or he's playing the West game. And that's about to be the next fuckboy that she falls for.

• 2:05:07Speaker 05

  I think ABC is silly to not make Ciara the Bachelor. Meanwhile-

• 2:05:10Speaker 00

  Ooh!

• 2:05:11Speaker 05

  She would never do that. I think she's too good for it, honestly. Like, I don't think she would want to do it.

• 2:05:17Speaker 02

  So adorable.

• 2:05:18Speaker 00

  She went on Traders. She'll go on the best for that.

• 2:05:20Speaker 02

  Traders is actually a high level. Traders is actually a good test. It's like complex and it's like, it's like chess, basically. You're basically one. It is. It's Traders is like a high level television. It's not, it's not in reality. Right? It's not reality TV. And those people are actually backstabbing each other. Like in Traders, like they're actually shocked, you know? Like it actually like you can see the despair on their face.

• 2:05:42Speaker 00

  The producers at all, right?

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  No, they actually say they don't do producers.

• 2:05:46Speaker 00

  It really is. Once you like something, you have to make it smart.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 2:05:50Speaker 00

  That's all it is.

• 2:05:50Speaker 02

  Traders is smart and then I happen to like it. You have to like get a really high SAT score to understand Traders. Like just in general. Like you have to be like a big brain. I don't know one dumb guy that doesn't.

• 2:06:00Speaker 00

  Can't we just like stupid shit?

• 2:06:03Speaker 02

  Traders is like high level. I don't know if I can hang. I don't know if I can handle it.

• 2:06:06Speaker 00

  No, you're too honest. He doesn't lie.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  They're good.

• 2:06:08Speaker 05

  There's normal people Traders. It's like easier than the celebrity one. You could like.

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  Miles and I played Traders this weekend.

• 2:06:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, we did.

• 2:06:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. How do you play it? It's a, it's like a TV game where like you have like your phone and one of you is the murderer and then you have to try to guess who it is based off evidence.

• 2:06:23Speaker 05

  You guys are giving me shit for watching reality TV? He's playing games about it.

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  That's beyond reality. That's like literal the most real.

• 2:06:28Speaker 05

  You're larping.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  That's IRL reality.

• 2:06:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:31Speaker 02

  And Miles was guilty twice in a row and played it off both times.

• 2:06:34Speaker 00

  Traitors.

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  No, I got caught both times. Yeah, if you tried, you tried to lie to all of us. Yeah, I did.

• 2:06:40Speaker 00

  Is there a moment where Kyle and Wes talk about Amanda?

• 2:06:44Speaker 05

  Yeah. The most recent episode, which is like August 2nd, 2025. He's saying, hey, bro, don't talk to your wife like that. She's our friend. Like that's the last we see.

• 2:06:56Speaker 00

  No, I'm talking about after.

• 2:06:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, we don't.

• 2:06:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:06:58Speaker 05

  We don't know. No, their communications.

• 2:07:01Speaker 00

  He'd be like, yo, what, you know, bro, treat your wife better because I'm smashing her.

• 2:07:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. Because I want to fuck her.

• 2:07:05Speaker 00

  No, he's probably fucking her.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  But also doesn't he benefit if he treats her worse? Like, is then she needs him more?

• 2:07:10Speaker 05

  Ding ding ding ding ding.

• 2:07:11Speaker 02

  It's like kind of a munchausen situation, right? So he's like

• 2:07:14Speaker 00

  The more vulnerable she is.

• 2:07:15Speaker 05

  That would be truly evil.

• 2:07:17Speaker 00

  Isolated she is. Well, I imagine you think Wes is truly evil.

• 2:07:20Speaker 05

  I don't think he's truly evil. I think he just wants everything in front of him, which is both of these women.

• 2:07:25Speaker 00

  So

• 2:07:25Speaker 05

  In this season, one is married, one is kind of doesn't trust him.

• 2:07:29Speaker 00

  He's constantly seeking validation.

• 2:07:31Speaker 05

  Yes, he's an insecure man as well.

• 2:07:32Speaker 00

  He validates himself through women instead of art.

• 2:07:36Speaker 05

  Yes, unless you call sports journalism art.

• 2:07:39Speaker 00

  Well, no, there's, there's an art to journalism.

• 2:07:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is.

• 2:07:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  There are.

• 2:07:42Speaker 05

  I've actually never read his work. I don't know what it's about at all.

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  We should bring up an article.

• 2:07:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would love that. I mean, clearly the guy's got away with words, right? He's able to.

• 2:07:51Speaker 05

  He's a charmer.

• 2:07:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, he must be charming.

• 2:07:53Speaker 05

  He's charming.

• 2:07:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:07:55Speaker 05

  Never trust an adult blonde.

• 2:07:59Speaker 05

  It's not good. It's not a good idea.

• 2:08:01Speaker 02

  That's an interesting point.

• 2:08:02Speaker 00

  A blonde male?

• 2:08:03Speaker 05

  They're both adult blondes.

• 2:08:04Speaker 00

  You don't see a lot of adult blondes, huh? Like male blondes?

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:09Speaker 00

  Why is that?

• 2:08:10Speaker 05

  They're dangerous.

• 2:08:11Speaker 00

  Why is that?

• 2:08:12Speaker 02

  Do their hair like it starts to get darker when you get older, right?

• 2:08:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:08:15Speaker 02

  We're all living in Sweden is probably part of it.

• 2:08:17Speaker 05

  Their evil keeps the blonde alive.

• 2:08:19Speaker 00

  Yo, were the people in jail with you in Sweden brown haired? Is that how they?

• 2:08:27Speaker 02

  They disproportionately do lock up brown.

• 2:08:28Speaker 00

  Do they disproportionately lock up the brown haired people in Sweden? Cause that's all they have.

• 2:08:35Speaker 00

  Were there any like super blue eyed blonde haired like Aryan dudes in jail with you?

• 2:08:39Speaker 02

  There's actually two.

• 2:08:40Speaker 00

  Really?

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  I think they're Russian though.

• 2:08:42Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 2:08:44Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:08:45Speaker 00

  Okay, so then what?

• 2:08:46Speaker 02

  These are your neighbors. You've never seen these people?

• 2:08:48Speaker 00

  I've never seen one of them out.

• 2:08:50Speaker 05

  These are your neighbors out there and probably in the city as well.

• 2:08:52Speaker 00

  Where's the house?

• 2:08:54Speaker 05

  The house is in Hampton Bays? Watermill? I don't know.

• 2:08:58Speaker 00

  Well, those are very different.

• 2:08:59Speaker 05

  Very different places.

• 2:09:00Speaker 00

  Very different places. Look at where the house is.

• 2:09:02Speaker 05

  Yeah. Joey, I'm curious where the house is. They're also like getting a new one for the next season.

• 2:09:06Speaker 00

  I saw that this one's on sale.

• 2:09:08Speaker 05

  It's on sale. Yeah. Can we buy it? Flagrant Content House?

• 2:09:11Speaker 00

  Flagrant Content House. We take the old.

• 2:09:13Speaker 05

  Is that East Hampton?

• 2:09:14Speaker 00

  Water, no, Watermill is like right before Bridge Hampton. Beautiful area.

• 2:09:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a beautiful house. They have a great time at the house.

• 2:09:21Speaker 00

  Summer House. Wow. I can't believe I'd never heard of this fucking show.

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  Is anyone good?

• 2:09:25Speaker 05

  But your wife watches it?

• 2:09:26Speaker 00

  Oh, no, she never watched it. She only watched The Housewives and last night I go home and as I get into bed.

• 2:09:31Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 2:09:32Speaker 00

  It's on.

• 2:09:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, cuz it's tantalizing. There's so much like, I mean, you guys should tune in. Tell me if you think they're fucking.

• 2:09:39Speaker 00

  Paige is still on the show?

• 2:09:40Speaker 05

  No, Paige is laughing all the way to the fucking bank, and I'll tell you why. Last season was her last Summer House season, and she broke up with her boyfriend, who's also on Southern Charm. That's a different franchise. And their Southern Charm drama is also very good, and Craig is just like crashing out. So Paige left Summer House and left her loser ass Southern Charm boyfriend, and she just did a collab with Courtney Kardashian. She's honestly really cool and awesome.

• 2:10:04Speaker 00

  So is there a way to be successful on this show and not be? What do you, how would you define these people?

• 2:10:14Speaker 05

  I would say Paige is like the only case because Hannah Berner did crash out really bad on Summer House.

• 2:10:19Speaker 00

  She crashed out?

• 2:10:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, it was like, I think if you're gonna go on the show, you're probably gonna be embarrassed.

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  But they mentally torture them. They keep them up all night and give them alcohol.

• 2:10:28Speaker 05

  Does that sound like torture to you?

• 2:10:31Mark Gagnon?

  Hazing.

• 2:10:32Speaker 00

  Kinda does. Kinda sounds like this.

• 2:10:36Speaker 05

  Professional in New York who had no access to the Hamptons.

• 2:10:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:40Speaker 05

  Here's a fun share house. We have day parties on Saturdays.

• 2:10:43Speaker 00

  Oh, completely on paper.

• 2:10:45Speaker 05

  You see how it sounds fun.

• 2:10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I get why they do it.

• 2:10:48Mark Gagnon?

  Paternity hazing.

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  Hey, you wanna join our friend group?

• 2:10:51Speaker 05

  You might as well just love it. You talk about it fondly. So like.

• 2:10:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it wasn't filmed. It wasn't put on TV.

• 2:10:56Speaker 05

  Not that you know.

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  That's a good point.

• 2:10:59Speaker 00

  It being monetized by another entity.

• 2:11:01Speaker 05

  Well, they're also getting a paycheck.

• 2:11:02Speaker 00

  It's a tricky one.

• 2:11:03Speaker 05

  From Andy.

• 2:11:03Speaker 00

  But not good enough where you can quit your job. No, I think that, I think Andy Cohen was the only guy that got people to watch regular TV when everything went to streaming. Like, that's how compelling these shows.

• 2:11:14Speaker 05

  And also Peacock is the most usable streamer. I love it.

• 2:11:17Speaker 00

  Now, what's the difference between Dr. Phil and Andy Cohen?

• 2:11:21Speaker 05

  Wow, okay. Dr. Phil, in my memory, kind of capitalized more on people's like mental illness and like poverty.

• 2:11:30Speaker 00

  I mean.

• 2:11:34Mark Gagnon?

  Mari Povich.

• 2:11:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, like.

• 2:11:42Speaker 00

  What? I'm gonna go to the bathroom and just work that. That out. I'll be right back.

• 2:11:47Mark Gagnon?

  I'll be right back.

• 2:11:48Speaker 05

  Do you, okay. Andy Cohen deals with more like aspirational, like former actresses. Like it's not like, sorry, someone with like a mental disability, you fighting with their, isn't that what Dr. Phil was?

• 2:12:00Speaker 03

  Who's more successful off of these shows? Catch Me Outside Girl? Or the highest earner of Summer House?

• 2:12:07Mark Gagnon?

  Catch Me Outside.

• 2:12:07Speaker 03

  Catch Me Outside Girl.

• 2:12:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:09Speaker 03

  I think Dr. Phil hits a higher clip.

• 2:12:10Mark Gagnon?

  Catch Me Outside Girl is rich right now.

• 2:12:13Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. What was her name?

• 2:12:15Speaker 05

  She scares me.

• 2:12:16Mark Gagnon?

  She just made like fucking eight mil off of OnlyFans or some shit like that.

• 2:12:19Speaker 05

  But that's one case. Like Andy Cohen has so many people who've come out of.

• 2:12:24Speaker 03

  Andy Burgoli has a net worth of thirty five to fifty mil.

• 2:12:28Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 2:12:28Speaker 05

  For what?

• 2:12:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:12:30Speaker 03

  OnlyFans.

• 2:12:31Mark Gagnon?

  So shout out.

• 2:12:32Speaker 05

  Okay, that's porn. That's different.

• 2:12:33Mark Gagnon?

  He's doing the law work.

• 2:12:35Speaker 03

  That's sex work. But.

• 2:12:37Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:12:37Mark Gagnon?

  All this profession.

• 2:12:38Speaker 05

  Woke podcast.

• 2:12:39Mark Gagnon?

  All this profession.

• 2:12:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, oldest profession, unfortunately.

• 2:12:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 2:12:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, unfortunately.

• 2:12:43Speaker 03

  So when does the new season come out?

• 2:12:45Speaker 05

  We're watching it.

• 2:12:46Mark Gagnon?

  The new season's on. Have you been listed in?

• 2:12:49Speaker 03

  So this happens over Summer of twenty five. It comes out now. And what happens Summer of twenty six will come out next year?

• 2:12:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 2:12:55Speaker 05

  Yes, but you're forgetting we're still looking forward to a reunion where they will all sit on a couch like this with Andy Cohen in the middle. And they will talk about the themes. They'll talk about, did you watch it? How do you feel? And I'm like, how is Amanda gonna even show up there? And will, okay, that's the other thing about Andy Cohen.

• 2:13:10Mark Gagnon?

  Shame to go on the show.

• 2:13:12Speaker 05

  You can't, if, if you want to come back the next year and if you want to get your final paycheck, you have to go to the reunion. Those are Andy Cohen rules.

• 2:13:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:19Speaker 05

  It keeps them like, kind of.

• 2:13:20Mark Gagnon?

  You're saying that she wouldn't go on the most watched TV show that the.

• 2:13:25Speaker 03

  You're saying Andy Cohen holds money.

• 2:13:26Speaker 05

  So people can call her a white devil? I don't think that sounds.

• 2:13:29Speaker 00

  Care. They want attention, Alex. They'll do anything for it. They found something where they get to party in the Hamptons and get the attention. They would do anything for the attention. These people are as mentally ill as the people that go on Dr. Phil, maybe more.

• 2:13:46Speaker 05

  More?

• 2:13:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, because at least Dr. Phil, they're kids.

• 2:13:51Speaker 02

  These are grown adults that should know better and still choose to do it. And it doesn't mean it's not fun and entertaining. Watch.

• 2:13:57Speaker 05

  I have an interesting.

• 2:13:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:14:00Speaker 05

  Response to that.

• 2:14:00Speaker 02

  Please, please, please, please, please.

• 2:14:02Speaker 05

  The way that the attention economy has shifted, now you're basically, it's a race to get followers if you want a career as a.

• 2:14:10Speaker 02

  Cause you can monetize the followers, right?

• 2:14:11Speaker 05

  Absolutely. Like, that's what they're up to. And there are no, sorry, scripted talking head shows anymore. There is no guy code to like, put you on. This is their confessional. This is their talking head show. That's what's available now.

• 2:14:22Speaker 02

  The whole thing is evil. This culture is sick. We're in end stages.

• 2:14:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, but don't blame the.

• 2:14:26Speaker 02

  No, what I would say is that there are other ways that you can get on. Like, there are tons of people making really cool, creative content online. Yeah, that don't have followers. No, and there are people that are making creative, fun content online that do have followers. Yeah. Like, the Drusky sketch is like fun, creative content online. And it got tons of views, way more views.

• 2:14:42Speaker 05

  Well, how did Drusky first get famous?

• 2:14:44Speaker 02

  By doing.

• 2:14:47Speaker 05

  Was it always sketch? Or was it like vlogging? You're like?

• 2:14:50Speaker 02

  I think it was only sketches. Only sketches. To me, sketch is what I remember.

• 2:14:53Speaker 05

  Fifty had to tell me who he was, like, a year ago.

• 2:14:55Speaker 02

  Sure, it's not gonna fit in like every, but he's objectively massive. So like, the idea that you can't make it through art, I think is. Yeah.

• 2:15:03Speaker 05

  Sure. But like, this is a really easy way to do it.

• 2:15:07Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, if you don't have art, then you gotta do it. And the easy way is not always the best way. And just having influencers doesn't make your seltzer brand work. Hmm.

• 2:15:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, no one.

• 2:15:18Speaker 02

  Cause they don't really want a seltzer brand. They wanna monetize fame. And you can't make enough money on the show. CQG is a good way. Exactly. Same thing. But Hannah can do stand-up. So Hannah left, starts doing stand-up, and she's like, yeah. And she blows the fuck up. Yeah. Cause she has an art.

• 2:15:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  And that's way better.

• 2:15:36Speaker 05

  I guess I don't see that, like, they can't do art if they're on this show.

• 2:15:39Speaker 02

  They might be able to do art, but it seems so far from what you're explaining. They all might be artists.

• 2:15:44Speaker 05

  I just have empathy as like, a person in their twenties in the city with no access to the Hamptons, like, fuck yeah, give me a ticket out. You know what I mean?

• 2:15:52Speaker 02

  I don't begrudge anybody for wanting to go there.

• 2:15:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:15:54Speaker 02

  But there's a price that you pay for doing it, right? So the price here is like, the whole world is gonna watch this emotional turmoil.

• 2:16:00Speaker 05

  Hannah.

• 2:16:01Speaker 02

  I have empathy for, for them that are going through that. Like, that must be really tough. And also must be really tough to be like, fuck, I still want the attention, and I still feel like I need the fans, and I still need these things, so I'm gonna have to submit this, myself, to something that's.

• 2:16:14Speaker 00

  It's gonna make me miserable.

• 2:16:15Mark Gagnon?

  I have zero empathy for that. We're adults and they're choosing to do it.

• 2:16:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, but sometimes.

• 2:16:18Mark Gagnon?

  You know what you sign up for.

• 2:16:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, but sometimes.

• 2:16:20Speaker 02

  You kinda know. I think you get sold a bill of goods. Like you'll party at the Hamptons and find love and have fun.

• 2:16:24Mark Gagnon?

  We've seen reality TV.

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  But you don't know it's gonna be that bad till it happens to you.

• 2:16:27Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 2:16:28Mark Gagnon?

  You think like, oh. How many times do we have to see the same thing over? Like every reality TV show.

• 2:16:33Speaker 00

  That's fair.

• 2:16:34Speaker 05

  This feels something of the level of the life we've never seen.

• 2:16:36Speaker 02

  Because like they meet a pimp and they're like, oh, maybe I'll just do it for like a weekend. Maybe I'll strip and then the pimp takes advantage of them and they get exploited. So like these cycles of abuse continue to go on. Obviously, this is.

• 2:16:45Speaker 05

  Men tend to be manipulated.

• 2:16:46Mark Gagnon?

  Happens like under wraps. Like you don't see it. It's not filmed, put on TV.

• 2:16:51Speaker 05

  I mean, I get the metaphor you're.

• 2:16:53Speaker 02

  But people know.

• 2:16:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, there's enough content out there that sex work generally doesn't, you know what I mean?

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  People understand the cycle of exploitation, but yet they still do it because people continue to make the same mistakes. Cause we're fallen people. All right? This is all the original sin.

• 2:17:03Speaker 05

  And here's the guy selling you a way out.

• 2:17:05Speaker 02

  So many people like, you know, there's so many like people that want to make it in Hollywood. And then there are like shitty producers that would take advantage of that desire to go make something with them, what their lives and like. Why can that not be also true in this situation? If it can happen to like some of the most famous actors in history, why would it not happen to reality stars?

• 2:17:21Mark Gagnon?

  I get it. I just think that reality, we know the producers are trying to make as much drama as possible. And so it's like.

• 2:17:28Speaker 00

  What I would say about reality.

• 2:17:30Mark Gagnon?

  Risk.

• 2:17:30Speaker 00

  What I would say about reality is that like now I think that we've, we're seeing more than ever. Is that like people are going on it for opportunity. Like if you ever watched like The Bachelor, The Bachelorette now. All the people on the show, they're not going to find love.

• 2:17:43Speaker 05

  They're here for the wrong reasons.

• 2:17:44Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 2:17:45Speaker 05

  That's something they say on that show.

• 2:17:46Speaker 00

  Exactly. And like they're performing and they're living up to like archetypes for the show. Like I'm gonna be bad guy. I'm gonna be sweet guy. I'm gonna be supportive and like. It's almost to the point where like now the show is satirizing itself because it's too self-aware. So to Alex's point, all these people know what they're getting into. They grew up watching these shows. They know what characters. Characters thrive on these shows. They know what characters get no attention on the shows. And you don't want to be someone who's on it without any attention.

• 2:18:14Speaker 05

  Let Taylor Frankie Paul be the Bachelorette. We want to see it.

• 2:18:18Speaker 00

  Yo, look, man.

• 2:18:21Speaker 05

  They're so stupid for taking it away from us.

• 2:18:23Speaker 00

  If that kid wasn't in the video, she's still the.

• 2:18:25Speaker 05

  I actually, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to see a kid get hit.

• 2:18:29Speaker 00

  It's disturbing. I don't know if the kid got hit. I don't know if the kid got hit.

• 2:18:32Speaker 02

  If I can't listen to Kanye, we can't have Taylor Frankie Paul. Like, this is crazy.

• 2:18:37Speaker 00

  He's like, hey, if I don't watch it, it didn't happen.

• 2:18:40Speaker 05

  How many football players still play when they hit their wives?

• 2:18:44Speaker 00

  Because they have an art.

• 2:18:46Speaker 00

  I hate to, I hate to bring it, Kanye has an art, and that's why he's able to do fucking.

• 2:18:50Speaker 05

  Football's not art.

• 2:18:51Speaker 00

  Football's an art.

• 2:18:52Speaker 05

  Is it?

• 2:18:53Speaker 00

  Is ballet an art?

• 2:18:54Speaker 05

  Yes, football's not ballet.

• 2:18:56Speaker 00

  How is it not?

• 2:18:58Speaker 05

  Just like smash heads.

• 2:19:00Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 2:19:01Speaker 05

  Rain scramble.

• 2:19:03Speaker 00

  What is ballet? Vomit?

• 2:19:08Speaker 00

  Stand on my tibbito.

• 2:19:11Speaker 05

  Have you considered it's also pink?

• 2:19:13Speaker 00

  Also that is a very.

• 2:19:15Speaker 05

  And that makes more art.

• 2:19:16Speaker 00

  Football is pink in October. Breast cancer awareness. But my, I guess my point is that like, if you have things that there's an intangible skill attached to it, then you kind of get away with it. I don't think you should.

• 2:19:28Speaker 05

  These people are monetizing a skill and being like funny, honestly, like situational, like Paige is just like charming as fuck her whole time in the house.

• 2:19:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, maybe that's why she was so unique and able to.

• 2:19:38Speaker 05

  Launch.

• 2:19:39Speaker 00

  To launch. Whereas I think most people are funny because they're unaware of how absolutely absurd they're acting in front of a camera.

• 2:19:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:45Speaker 00

  And we all get to watch it like, what the fuck am I saying? Like, watching those The Mormon Wife shit is insanity.

• 2:19:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, that show's actually too dark. It's, I can't.

• 2:19:53Speaker 00

  Sad a little bit.

• 2:19:54Speaker 05

  It's sad.

• 2:19:55Speaker 00

  But we watch it. We watch the, what is Intervention? When I was growing up, that was our version of like, you're seeing someone's life fall apart and their family members come around to try to save them. And you watch an episode, you're like, my life ain't that bad.

• 2:20:05Speaker 05

  So let me tell you, I think Summer House is, I feel, I don't have that like icky feeling watching it because it's like, oh, they're 30, they're hot, it'll be fine.

• 2:20:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:20:14Speaker 05

  Versus like an Intervention is like, ugh.

• 2:20:16Speaker 00

  That is the most extreme.

• 2:20:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:20:18Speaker 00

  But I agree with you. We don't. It's actually the perfect.

• 2:20:20Speaker 05

  But that's the difference with like Dr. Phil is like Dr. Phil, I got that icky feeling.

• 2:20:25Speaker 00

  You get a little icky feeling. I don't think we should feel icky about it. It's like the perfect disgrace like.

• 2:20:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is fine. This one is fine.

• 2:20:30Speaker 00

  This is what Americans need right now, by the way.

• 2:20:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:20:32Speaker 00

  We want to escape. The reason this is so big is because Americans like, I don't want to think about the news. I don't want to think about the war. I don't want to think about anything.

• 2:20:38Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 2:20:38Speaker 00

  Give me emotional drama and I'll just focus my attention over there.

• 2:20:41Mark Gagnon?

  This is just older people's I R L streamers.

• 2:20:44Speaker 00

  Exactly. Like there's no difference in speed and fucking, you know.

• 2:20:48Mark Gagnon?

  It's the same exact.

• 2:20:49Speaker 00

  Clavicular.

• 2:20:49Mark Gagnon?

  It's literally the same.

• 2:20:50Speaker 05

  I don't know a ton about streaming because I'm locked in on this.

• 2:20:53Speaker 00

  This is streaming.

• 2:20:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, they just go and live their life. People are watching and live their life. And then drama happens.

• 2:20:58Speaker 00

  It's a blog.

• 2:20:59Speaker 05

  But but also I think, I don't know how streaming works, but this is interesting and that like the time away from the camera is also tea. Like we're wondering what they.

• 2:21:09Speaker 00

  This is a, this is a testament to the investment that the audience has in it. Like you've built up the relationships with these people, which is like no different than a podcast.

• 2:21:17Speaker 05

  Completely personal. Like I think Sierra is my best friend. That's concerning.

• 2:21:20Speaker 00

  That's, that's the power of this and that's why Cohen's brilliant. And I'm sure the editors are editing it so you empathize with her.

• 2:21:29Speaker 05

  Well, that's the other thing. While this season is still airing, it's like the episodes we still have to watch. Are they going back and re-editing them? Are they giving us more of them flirting?

• 2:21:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:38Speaker 05

  Who knows?

• 2:21:39Mark Gagnon?

  Because the whole thing's filmed before they put it out.

• 2:21:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. And they have no control in the edit.

• 2:21:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. You ever watched that Formula One?

• 2:21:46Mark Gagnon?

  Drive to Survive.

• 2:21:47Speaker 00

  Drive to Survive.

• 2:21:47Speaker 05

  I meant to. I didn't.

• 2:21:48Speaker 00

  It comes out way after the season, right? So you already know who wins, but they figure out all the drama.

• 2:21:55Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 2:21:55Speaker 00

  And then they edit for the drama.

• 2:21:58Speaker 05

  Around it.

• 2:21:58Speaker 00

  And it's awesome.

• 2:21:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:21:59Speaker 00

  Because that's kind of what we want. We know that wrestling is, the answer is already written.

• 2:22:04Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 2:22:04Speaker 00

  But toy with us as we get there. That's this.

• 2:22:09Speaker 05

  But it's better than wrestling.

• 2:22:13Speaker 00

  For you.

• 2:22:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:22:15Speaker 00

  Until they're selling out stadiums, I don't know if it's better. Ooh, they might be able to.

• 2:22:20Speaker 05

  They're selling out stadiums like in the house.

• 2:22:22Speaker 00

  They could sell out a stadium.

• 2:22:24Speaker 05

  Of the reunion.

• 2:22:25Speaker 00

  That's what I guess.

• 2:22:26Speaker 05

  They should absolutely.

• 2:22:27Speaker 00

  Agreed.

• 2:22:28Speaker 05

  They should sell tickets to the reunion.

• 2:22:29Speaker 00

  They should. MSG. Nah, you can't though. Why, why, why? You gotta control the edit. Cause you gotta control the edit. Yeah, it's not scripted. No, no, no, the reunion is live, right?

• 2:22:38Speaker 05

  They like film it in one go.

• 2:22:40Speaker 00

  But then they chop it down. Oh, I thought it was live.

• 2:22:43Speaker 03

  reunion is live. Like you watch like Survivor.

• 2:22:45Speaker 05

  It's as close to live, I will say.

• 2:22:47Speaker 03

  Day of, it's six months after.

• 2:22:49Speaker 05

  With the reunion.

• 2:22:50Speaker 00

  Cursing and all that, go, go, sorry.

• 2:22:52Speaker 05

  It's pretty much just like one show, they just like film it, but if people get heated, they take a break, they might not come back. Like they might go to their trailer and then, and that's part of it, they fall, they bring a camera and they're like, I don't want to go back. Like they're fucking with me and it's like, that's funny.

• 2:23:05Speaker 03

  It's uh, it's not open to the public or ticketed seating.

• 2:23:08Speaker 05

  No, of course not.

• 2:23:10Speaker 00

  Hmm, I gotta watch it. When is the reunion?

• 2:23:12Speaker 05

  When is the reunion? I don't know, but it's gonna be the biggest night in America.

• 2:23:16Speaker 00

  Are we?

• 2:23:18Speaker 05

  It is.

• 2:23:19Speaker 00

  Trump tweeted about it today. He said 8pm. Yeah, 8pm.

• 2:23:24Speaker 05

  America has to go on past 8pm tonight so we can watch.

• 2:23:28Speaker 00

  Is it possible that there are some leaders of the IRGC right now watching Summer House? And they're like, we can't start a new show. Daughter was posted with a green card in Miami. You're right. There's a hundred percent chance she saw us and she's probably Team Sierra.

• 2:23:41Speaker 05

  Rihanna and Jon Hamm are like the two biggest people who have spoken on this, but I think this is just showing that everyone's watching Bravo.

• 2:23:48Speaker 00

  Well, that's the thing. I've seen a lot of celebrities uh, take pictures and like hang out with the housewives or the Mormon wives or whatever.

• 2:23:57Speaker 05

  And honestly became a conflict of interest on one of the pods I listened to and that like the hosts are like friends with Amanda and Kyle. And they're like, oh, we shouldn't like talk about our friends breakup. Like that's Paige and Hannah were pretty.

• 2:24:08Speaker 00

  And or celebrities who also like the attention could just be jumping on this wave and pretending that they're big fans of the show.

• 2:24:15Speaker 05

  Fucking attention? I think she's invested. She's your friend, you would know.

• 2:24:20Speaker 00

  Either way, I'm like, I'm not shocked Rihanna likes it.

• 2:24:22Speaker 05

  No, me either.

• 2:24:23Speaker 00

  We shouldn't be shocked that we all like this. This is like at its core, what's most interesting.

• 2:24:27Speaker 05

  Insisting on talking down on it.

• 2:24:30Speaker 00

  Let me think if I'm talking down. Let me think if I'm talking down on it. I think that like.

• 2:24:38Speaker 02

  You're talking down to the reaction.

• 2:24:39Speaker 05

  Can I tell you, I also used to think like, hold on.

• 2:24:43Speaker 00

  I don't think, I think that there's trashy aspects to everything. I mean, earlier this episode, we talked about Mark being so handsome that I was gonna buttfuck him.

• 2:24:53Speaker 05

  This is a gay ass podcast.

• 2:24:55Speaker 02

  Well, you did say that.

• 2:24:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, I did.

• 2:24:57Speaker 02

  And my nephew watches this.

• 2:24:58Speaker 00

  Yo.

• 2:24:59Mark Gagnon?

  And now he takes heroin to get skinny, so it's like.

• 2:25:01Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 2:25:02Speaker 05

  Are you on that?

• 2:25:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:03Speaker 05

  What? Heroin?

• 2:25:04Mark Gagnon?

  He's on that.

• 2:25:05Speaker 02

  The HLP one?

• 2:25:07Speaker 00

  The HLP one? So like, yeah, not everything has to be high art, but I think we can look at certain things and be like, oh, this is a little bit, um. What is it like when you're taking advantage of people? What is that? Or taking advantage of people that, that like specifically are mentally ill.

• 2:25:24Speaker 05

  Like predatory.

• 2:25:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, you could say like, there's predatory aspects to it. Now, that doesn't mean that we're not gonna fucking watch it. We love watching predatory shit. We watch the NFL and they're giving each other CTE nonstop. Now they're signing up to get the CTE. Because you hurt yourself and sign up, well then ballet is an art.

• 2:25:44Speaker 00

  At ballet, I mean, if you know ballerinas, like their bodies get absolutely destroyed.

• 2:25:47Speaker 05

  No, I do know that.

• 2:25:49Speaker 00

  So I don't think just because your body gets destroyed.

• 2:25:51Speaker 05

  But that's just a personal thing.

• 2:25:52Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, but something's boring doesn't make it not art. Every play I go watch is boring.

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, Ross, Roscoe's kinda boring.

• 2:25:57Speaker 05

  But also like, sports are different than art. Those are different things.

• 2:26:00Speaker 00

  Sure. Yes, they are different than art. Sure.

• 2:26:03Speaker 05

  You're talking about like societal value.

• 2:26:04Speaker 00

  I'm talking about skill based. There's like a skill.

• 2:26:07Speaker 05

  I think the biggest takeaway from all this is go home and watch this with your girl.

• 2:26:13Speaker 00

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 2:26:14Speaker 05

  Like, this is just an easy thing to like do, and it's interesting.

• 2:26:17Speaker 00

  Watching judge, like that's what we watch, we watch fucking.

• 2:26:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, totally.

• 2:26:20Speaker 00

  Maybe that's more than my perspective. It's like, I'm allowed to judge it. That's why we're watching it, so we can judge people.

• 2:26:24Speaker 05

  And I love watching Bravo because you can like talk over it. This is like perfect, like, oh, pull out my phone, he gives me.

• 2:26:29Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:26:30Speaker 05

  Like, this is truly double screen watching. I don't feel weird about it.

• 2:26:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:26:34Speaker 05

  Like, when I'm watching something scripted, I don't wanna be on my phone, like someone made this.

• 2:26:38Speaker 00

  They're narrative.

• 2:26:40Speaker 05

  You might, one shot might be like so informative. This is not that. This is just like.

• 2:26:45Speaker 00

  Perfect distraction TV. And maybe it's at the level where it's not so predatory that we can enjoy it. Whereas Dr. Phil passes predatory nature and you're like.

• 2:26:54Mark Gagnon?

  These people are well paid, they're rich, they're in the Hamptons.

• 2:26:56Speaker 05

  Like Mormon wives is so dark. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills has been really dark this season and it's like, ugh. But this is so like, you got the future ahead of you.

• 2:27:03Speaker 00

  Perfect amount of dark. It's, the stakes are just high enough where we're like, I'm invested. But if, there's not like children involved who are getting torn apart. So you don't feel bad. That's, maybe that's why this is so exciting. It's like, I want something that I can just get distracted with, but I don't feel bad after watching.

• 2:27:20Speaker 05

  And what Amanda just did to Ciara is something like so rarely seen in the wild.

• 2:27:24Speaker 00

  Girls doing that to other girls?

• 2:27:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, like I think you grow out of that by 21.

• 2:27:29Speaker 00

  I have a different theory on this and we spoke about this yesterday.

• 2:27:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't agree with you.

• 2:27:34Speaker 00

  I think girls, when they're in their 30s, every guy's fair game.

• 2:27:40Speaker 00

  I think when they feel that clock ticking, they're like, I got it, I gotta settle down. Single women in their 30s, every guy's fair game.

• 2:27:46Speaker 05

  And married?

• 2:27:47Speaker 00

  But they're breaking up, so you're not married.

• 2:27:50Speaker 05

  But this is starting.

• 2:27:51Speaker 00

  It might not be the right guy, but I think in her head, she's like, do I want to have kids? Do I want to be married? Do I not want to be alone?

• 2:27:58Speaker 05

  Ugh, kids with West, disgusting.

• 2:28:00Speaker 00

  Fair enough, but you know, she wouldn't be the first person to choose the wrong guy to have kids with.

• 2:28:04Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 2:28:06Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying, women, when they get into their 30s, it's like, do I not start a relationship with that guy that my friend hooked up with 10 years ago? This is really new, but 10 years ago, even though I kind of like him and he checks all the boxes.

• 2:28:17Speaker 05

  10 years ago is, is something different. It's every case you like go to your friend and be like, what's up? But honestly, if I'm at the bar and I'm vibing with someone that I know has like done my friend wrong, it's psychologically impossible for me to catch a vibe.

• 2:28:30Speaker 00

  I could never do it.

• 2:28:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:28:31Mark Gagnon?

  I think if West was like well off, then that's something that's typical in women in their 30s. But to fuck over your friend for a fuck boy?

• 2:28:42Speaker 00

  That's, we haven't seen that. I think that's a great point.

• 2:28:45Speaker 05

  That is a great point.

• 2:28:45Speaker 00

  For a potential future?

• 2:28:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:47Speaker 00

  All of a sudden, people start to go, ooh.

• 2:28:49Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, oh, okay, I can understand. It's not a nice move, but at least I can understand.

• 2:28:52Speaker 05

  There's no economic incentive to be with West.

• 2:28:54Speaker 00

  Not even economic, but like a future incentive.

• 2:28:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:56Speaker 00

  Like you're telling me the guy's not going to take her serious. So now she's like fucking over her friend for a guy's going to fuck over her.

• 2:29:01Speaker 05

  If he does take her serious, it's just a fuck you to Ciara.

• 2:29:04Speaker 00

  She is horrible.

• 2:29:06Mark Gagnon?

  Who, Amanda?

• 2:29:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, Amanda's horrible.

• 2:29:08Speaker 05

  So. I I hope she can learn from this and like just leave West and like become a better person.

• 2:29:13Mark Gagnon?

  Put these on her too. Put it on her too, yeah.

• 2:29:16Speaker 00

  What about, uh, what do the bikinis look like?

• 2:29:19Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 2:29:19Speaker 02

  Should we look at that?

• 2:29:20Speaker 00

  I don't know. I mean, that's crazy.

• 2:29:24Mark Gagnon?

  Why'd you just go?

• 2:29:25Speaker 00

  The influencer, no, I'm just saying like the influencer economy doesn't work like it worked for a little bit where like.

• 2:29:30Speaker 05

  Oh, it's so saturated.

• 2:29:31Speaker 00

  But it's done.

• 2:29:31Speaker 05

  I have two people I trust. For like specific things.

• 2:29:34Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:29:35Speaker 00

  Like what?

• 2:29:36Mark Gagnon?

  That was a good goddamn or a bad goddamn?

• 2:29:37Speaker 05

  Uh, this girl like 10 years ago got on YouTube. Her name is Makeup by Mandy 24. She taught me how to do makeup 10 years ago. I've never like gone to someone else for it.

• 2:29:44Speaker 00

  Does she do, does she have like her own brand of makeup?

• 2:29:47Speaker 05

  I think she had now like does content and like drives Range Rover and like has a whole life, but it's like she serves her purpose.

• 2:29:52Mark Gagnon?

  This is, is this Amanda?

• 2:29:55Speaker 05

  That's Amanda on the right.

• 2:29:56Speaker 02

  She models her own stuff.

• 2:29:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, these are.

• 2:29:57Mark Gagnon?

  We might have got it all wrong.

• 2:29:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, I might, I might be team Amanda.

• 2:30:04Mark Gagnon?

  I have to say, I think.

• 2:30:06Speaker 05

  They're all hot.

• 2:30:07Mark Gagnon?

  We didn't do enough research before we started talking about this.

• 2:30:11Speaker 00

  I'm an happily married man, dude. I don't know what to tell you.

• 2:30:13Mark Gagnon?

  Same, same, same.

• 2:30:14Speaker 05

  Also, like getting off of e-commerce is like pretty lame.

• 2:30:17Speaker 00

  No, that's all we had.

• 2:30:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's a start.

• 2:30:20Speaker 00

  Sears catalog was the go to.

• 2:30:21Speaker 02

  You get the Victoria's Secret magazine back in the house.

• 2:30:24Speaker 00

  Oh, that was a luxury.

• 2:30:25Mark Gagnon?

  Bro.

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, I'm, that's crazy.

• 2:30:27Mark Gagnon?

  These were illustrated.

• 2:30:28Speaker 05

  How did you get that as an only child?

• 2:30:30Speaker 02

  My mom worked a salon, so I'd steal them out the ba- uh, baskets.

• 2:30:33Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 2:30:33Mark Gagnon?

  National geographic.

• 2:30:34Speaker 02

  Guinness Book of World Records was photographed.

• 2:30:36Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't say that.

• 2:30:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a good one.

• 2:30:38Speaker 05

  And what?

• 2:30:39Speaker 02

  Trust me.

• 2:30:39Speaker 00

  Who was it?

• 2:30:40Speaker 05

  Who is it?

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  It was just some hot girl back in like 2001.

• 2:30:43Speaker 00

  And you'd catch a lick off.

• 2:30:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. What, you never got the centerfold of the Guinness Book?

• 2:30:49Speaker 05

  There's such a generational difference, I feel like, just because of our access to internet. Like I can't, I'm not even just, I have no idea what that would even be like. You can't have anything you want to see at any time.

• 2:30:58Speaker 00

  This is how old I am. When I see like the amount of attractive, when we were growing up, it felt like there weren't that many unbelievably attractive people.

• 2:31:09Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 2:31:09Speaker 00

  It felt like there was like 20.

• 2:31:11Mark Gagnon?

  And you lived in New York City.

• 2:31:12Speaker 00

  I lived in New York City.

• 2:31:13Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 2:31:14Speaker 00

  Now on Instagram, it's like every time you scroll, like there's another person that you're like, oh my God, like these people just exist in the wild.

• 2:31:21Speaker 05

  Contributes to his inability to commit.

• 2:31:23Speaker 00

  I think probably a lot of guys.

• 2:31:24Mark Gagnon?

  Society's inability.

• 2:31:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:31:26Speaker 00

  It's.

• 2:31:27Speaker 05

  All of us, I think we.

• 2:31:28Speaker 00

  Oh, so he represents all these girls in New York City that are struggling to find a guy who will take them serious because guys feel like there's so many options there. So is he like the villain?

• 2:31:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's, he, we've all dated a West. We've all stayed with a West way too long.

• 2:31:45Speaker 00

  I see.

• 2:31:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, who's like still hooking up with other people, but you like him and like you have that strong friendship foundation, but like he's running around on you.

• 2:31:54Speaker 00

  Not taking it serious.

• 2:31:55Mark Gagnon?

  How old is West?

• 2:31:57Speaker 05

  West is 30.

• 2:31:59Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:31:59Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, give him some time.

• 2:32:00Speaker 05

  29.

• 2:32:01Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 2:32:01Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, come on, come on, come on.

• 2:32:03Speaker 00

  See now.

• 2:32:03Mark Gagnon?

  That's dumb.

• 2:32:05Speaker 00

  42 or whatever the other guy was.

• 2:32:06Speaker 05

  He's 43, she's 34, they're 30.

• 2:32:10Mark Gagnon?

  Son, he's just living.

• 2:32:12Speaker 05

  That's why Summer House is so fun and indulgent because it's like they will figure it out.

• 2:32:15Speaker 00

  34 is a tough age for women.

• 2:32:18Speaker 05

  Is that the expiration date?

• 2:32:19Speaker 00

  No, it's not, but I think in their head, reality starts to set in at like 35, especially if you're a girl who's like obviously very beautiful and part of her identity is being like a young, beautiful woman.

• 2:32:30Mark Gagnon?

  She's dating a 30 year old fuck boy.

• 2:32:32Speaker 05

  It's lame. Who already fucked over your friend, you think you're going to be the exception?

• 2:32:37Speaker 00

  Grow up. But think about it, maybe like you're 34, you're starting to see like the end of that ride as a superhero, essentially, like a beautiful woman that's in their twenties and maybe early 30s, it's like you're like a celebrity essentially. And but now you're 34, you're about to be 35, you're like, uh-oh, what's going on? Who is more validating to find you attractive than a young guy that gets all the girls?

• 2:33:01Mark Gagnon?

  Former college football player. Into the Google search I just saw.

• 2:33:04Speaker 00

  Like, like, like, you're feeling you're most insecure about your looks and like your identity.

• 2:33:09Speaker 05

  So lame, cause like what you're saying, it totally makes sense for a single person, but the fact that you've been like married is like.

• 2:33:14Speaker 00

  Dude, I know, but that's when you're most vulnerable, right after a relationship.

• 2:33:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:18Speaker 00

  Don't you feel that way?

• 2:33:19Speaker 05

  I just like want her to be single and like remember that there are other people in the world.

• 2:33:23Speaker 00

  Well, we should talk to her.

• 2:33:25Speaker 05

  We should talk to her.

• 2:33:26Speaker 00

  Amanda.

• 2:33:27Speaker 05

  Amanda, why?

• 2:33:28Speaker 00

  People out there.

• 2:33:29Mark Gagnon?

  Get off the show.

• 2:33:29Speaker 00

  Go to church.

• 2:33:30Mark Gagnon?

  Wes was just being a thirty year old fuckboy, bro.

• 2:33:34Speaker 02

  But you're not though, dude.

• 2:33:35Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm not, but I, yeah. Yeah, go to, yeah, find God.

• 2:33:40Speaker 05

  Serious?

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  Go to church.

• 2:33:41Speaker 00

  Love your family, homestead, followed by whom? Scroll up real quick.

• 2:33:45Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 2:33:48Mark Gagnon?

  She recorded at WTF before.

• 2:33:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, a client, friend of the show.

• 2:33:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, Al. She has, she has.

• 2:33:53Speaker 00

  Al is crazy.

• 2:33:55Mark Gagnon?

  I'm too serious, cause she's gang gang.

• 2:33:57Speaker 02

  He was pretending like he didn't know shit this whole time.

• 2:34:00Mark Gagnon?

  I can be, I can be.

• 2:34:00Speaker 00

  Al is.

• 2:34:01Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, rev, rev, rev, rev.

• 2:34:03Speaker 00

  She's gang, she's gang.

• 2:34:04Mark Gagnon?

  On that horse.

• 2:34:06Speaker 05

  She's.

• 2:34:08Mark Gagnon?

  I like that.

• 2:34:09Speaker 00

  I'm making all the noises that you can't.

• 2:34:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, thank you, appreciate that.

• 2:34:12Speaker 00

  Oh, is she a model?

• 2:34:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's a model and a nurse and an influencer.

• 2:34:16Speaker 00

  I mean, why, why be on the show?

• 2:34:19Speaker 05

  She, I think now, the storyline about her like saving up to buy her grandparents' house, like I do think she's probably hitting a level of financial independence that she might not need the show.

• 2:34:27Speaker 00

  Don't be on the show.

• 2:34:28Speaker 05

  Anymore.

• 2:34:29Speaker 02

  Talking about some other girl trash.

• 2:34:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, but right now she's coming off.

• 2:34:32Speaker 02

  No, what is that?

• 2:34:32Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:34:33Speaker 02

  Have you heard of this book?

• 2:34:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:35Speaker 02

  You've heard of this?

• 2:34:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:36Speaker 02

  I mean, this is wild.

• 2:34:37Speaker 05

  A girl book that you and Miles have read only?

• 2:34:39Speaker 02

  That you don't know?

• 2:34:40Speaker 05

  That I don't know.

• 2:34:41Speaker 02

  This got explained to me by proxy from a woman.

• 2:34:43Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:34:44Speaker 02

  It's a wild thing. This is apparently like one of the most like top selling books right now for women, specifically in New York City. There's like this woman that was married for twenty years and all of a sudden her husband's not the person that she thought that he was.

• 2:34:54Speaker 05

  Okay, a stranger.

• 2:34:55Speaker 02

  She's a part of like the socialite, upper crust New York City society. And now they're in this big divorce, he's trying to ruin her life and she put it all in this like tell all expose book and all the girlish are talking about it.

• 2:35:07Mark Gagnon?

  Does he do the big strap on joints like?

• 2:35:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:09Mark Gagnon?

  He's a pinball.

• 2:35:10Speaker 00

  Is this based on a true story?

• 2:35:12Speaker 02

  It's a real thing that happened, it's just a, it's a reality show in a book.

• 2:35:16Speaker 00

  What's the name of the, of the?

• 2:35:17Speaker 02

  Called The Stranger.

• 2:35:18Speaker 00

  No, no, what's the name of the people?

• 2:35:19Speaker 02

  I have no idea, this was explained to me by someone, I truly, that's the extent of what I know, I was hoping that Alex would know about this.

• 2:35:24Speaker 05

  Honestly, someone had mentioned it and I just said I.

• 2:35:27Speaker 00

  Bella Burden.

• 2:35:29Speaker 02

  I also thought you were talking about the Albert.

• 2:35:30Mark Gagnon?

  Scroll to the right a little bit.

• 2:35:31Speaker 02

  I'm so sorry.

• 2:35:31Mark Gagnon?

  Sorry.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  I don't know this.

• 2:35:32Mark Gagnon?

  The picture? Oh shit, that's my studio I think.

• 2:35:37Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 2:35:39Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, is it?

• 2:35:40Speaker 05

  Al is actually the one who's laughing.

• 2:35:42Mark Gagnon?

  No, not that much.

• 2:35:43Speaker 00

  It's Good Morning America.

• 2:35:44Mark Gagnon?

  Sorry, sorry.

• 2:35:45Speaker 02

  That type shit. But yeah, apparently this is like the number one show, but no one knows about it.

• 2:35:49Speaker 05

  I don't wanna read my reality TV.

• 2:35:52Speaker 02

  See, but that's for the demo above you. You understand?

• 2:35:55Speaker 05

  When I read it, I wanted to be literature.

• 2:35:57Speaker 02

  This?

• 2:35:58Mark Gagnon?

  Oh wow, that's good.

• 2:35:59Speaker 00

  It is true.

• 2:35:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:00Speaker 02

  Nirvana, the show, the band, the movie.

• 2:36:02Speaker 05

  I heard I would really like that movie.

• 2:36:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've never seen it. I truly don't understand what it's about. But regardless, can you rank these four people from the most morals to least moral?

• 2:36:10Speaker 05

  Most.

• 2:36:11Mark Gagnon?

  Team Sierra all day.

• 2:36:12Speaker 02

  Second?

• 2:36:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, say it, say it.

• 2:36:15Speaker 00

  Say it.

• 2:36:15Mark Gagnon?

  Say it's true.

• 2:36:16Speaker 00

  Say it.

• 2:36:17Speaker 05

  He fucking sucks.

• 2:36:18Speaker 00

  He shouldn't yell at me ever.

• 2:36:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  It's a far second. It's a far second.

• 2:36:22Speaker 05

  And to say like, why will my wife support my DJ career is like pussy ass shit.

• 2:36:26Speaker 00

  No, that's not true.

• 2:36:27Mark Gagnon?

  That's not true at all.

• 2:36:29Speaker 05

  What he's expecting is like a wife.

• 2:36:31Speaker 00

  You want your, you know, future whatever to support your endeavors? I don't know what you want me to say, dude. I'm just fucking, I'm just trying, dude.

• 2:36:41Mark Gagnon?

  I know, I know. That was good.

• 2:36:43Speaker 00

  I'm doing my fucking best. I want your future relationship to... I'm not talking about your relationship.

• 2:36:50Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 2:36:51Speaker 00

  I don't want you to feel uncomfortable. I don't want you to ever feel uncomfortable, so.

• 2:36:55Speaker 05

  I'm the captain now.

• 2:36:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, fair enough.

• 2:36:59Mark Gagnon?

  But no, you want a supportive.

• 2:37:00Speaker 02

  People want their spouses to support.

• 2:37:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:02Speaker 05

  I think what we're seeing here is him kind of expecting to be like the celebrity in the relationship who has a normie partner. And she's kind of like, why? Why do I have to like be at your DJ shows?

• 2:37:13Mark Gagnon?

  One, two.

• 2:37:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:15Speaker 05

  Hesitant to.

• 2:37:16Mark Gagnon?

  Three and four, give me.

• 2:37:18Speaker 05

  To me, as a woman, I think Amanda is worse because this betrayal is so fucking bad.

• 2:37:23Speaker 00

  And you're cheating on your husband while you're married.

• 2:37:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, you cheated on most of the people. And she cheated on herself. She cheated on three people.

• 2:37:30Speaker 05

  She cheated on your husband who's bad, I don't give a fuck.

• 2:37:33Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no.

• 2:37:34Speaker 02

  She said until death do us part.

• 2:37:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:36Speaker 00

  Two wrongs don't make a right.

• 2:37:37Speaker 02

  She said sickness and health, good times and bad.

• 2:37:38Speaker 05

  You know, she should have ended it, like.

• 2:37:41Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly, so she's worse.

• 2:37:42Speaker 05

  Kyle's a hard dude to be loyal to.

• 2:37:44Speaker 02

  She knew that before they got married.

• 2:37:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, then end it, for sure. Then end it.

• 2:37:47Speaker 02

  It wasn't an arranged marriage.

• 2:37:48Speaker 00

  Wes is a thirty year old fuckboy. He's doing exactly what he should be doing.

• 2:37:51Mark Gagnon?

  He's been the most consistent guy in this love square. Yeah.

• 2:37:57Speaker 05

  Love chess game.

• 2:37:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:37:59Mark Gagnon?

  He's a thirty year old fuck boy out in the Hamptons. He's doing exactly what he should be doing right now.

• 2:38:04Speaker 00

  Low key, yeah.

• 2:38:05Speaker 05

  But if this doesn't work out, like, who the fuck is having sex with West ever again?

• 2:38:09Speaker 00

  Every.

• 2:38:09Mark Gagnon?

  All the girls in DMs.

• 2:38:11Speaker 00

  Look in his DMs.

• 2:38:11Speaker 02

  Fuckboys don't have a problem getting laid.

• 2:38:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:14Speaker 05

  No, but I'm just saying, like, the women who've seen this behavior. No, no, so true, but I think now.

• 2:38:22Mark Gagnon?

  And.

• 2:38:22Speaker 05

  If you have sex with West now, after this whole thing, you're gross.

• 2:38:26Speaker 00

  More girls will do it.

• 2:38:27Speaker 02

  More.

• 2:38:28Mark Gagnon?

  Women don't learn from other women. They have to learn from themselves.

• 2:38:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  I think people in general, human beings long for the love that they knew as a child, even if that was pain.

• 2:38:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, the separation wound.

• 2:38:36Speaker 02

  He might be a bad partner, but a lot of their parents might have been bad partners. So men and women will seek the pain that they know.

• 2:38:41Speaker 05

  I mean, that's where we gotta, like, give Ciara Grace, her saying, like, I don't have a relationship with my dad. My mom's been married a couple of times. It bums me out. Like, she's just human falling for a fuckboy like this. You know?

• 2:38:51Speaker 00

  And he's just human.

• 2:38:53Speaker 05

  Do fuckboys, like, get to have whatever they want?

• 2:38:56Speaker 00

  They don't want that.

• 2:38:58Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 2:39:00Speaker 00

  There, he's gonna be.

• 2:39:01Speaker 02

  They want their mom to love him, bro.

• 2:39:02Speaker 00

  They want their mom to love them.

• 2:39:04Speaker 05

  Do you think at forty, he'll be like, okay, I want a wife?

• 2:39:07Speaker 02

  Maybe, maybe not. It's difficult to say. But ultimately, what he deep down wants is connection with his mom.

• 2:39:12Speaker 05

  He's allowed to have whatever he wants.

• 2:39:13Mark Gagnon?

  Fuckboys grow out of the fuckboy era. In your twenties, most of the time, hey, you're just having fun.

• 2:39:20Speaker 02

  And they leave behind a wake of destruction behind them.

• 2:39:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's unfortunate.

• 2:39:23Speaker 05

  I love being a girl, because, like, when I behave that way, it's kind of fine. Like, I helped David draft a goodbye text, and I was like, I don't write these.

• 2:39:32Speaker 02

  You're ghostwriting.

• 2:39:33Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:39:34Speaker 05

  I'm ghostwriting for David.

• 2:39:35Speaker 00

  Okay. I'm just warning you right now?

• 2:39:37Speaker 05

  No, I know, I know, I know.

• 2:39:38Speaker 00

  You gotta pump the brakes.

• 2:39:39Speaker 05

  I'm pumping the brakes, I'm pumping the brakes. Well, I think I.

• 2:39:42Mark Gagnon?

  That was my last warning, by the way.

• 2:39:45Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

• 2:39:46Speaker 00

  I feel totally comfortable with what I have said and shared on this podcast, and now it is up to. To you and I will not take away your agency. If you would like to share whatever you want.

• 2:39:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:54Speaker 05

  Plagiarism supports women.

• 2:39:56Speaker 02

  I almost proud for now.

• 2:39:57Speaker 05

  I say that to say what I want.

• 2:39:58Speaker 00

  Women's worse woman.

• 2:40:03Speaker 05

  How did I become the woman? Anyway, Amanda, I just want her to have like a fuck girl era. Like leave West, get out there.

• 2:40:11Speaker 02

  No, she's too old.

• 2:40:14Speaker 05

  She's too old in the bikini econ? You liked what you saw?

• 2:40:17Speaker 00

  No offense, I'm just saying like for her to go out there and become a fuck girl.

• 2:40:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:22Speaker 00

  Like it's not a good look.

• 2:40:23Speaker 05

  She doesn't look like 34.

• 2:40:25Speaker 00

  It's not about that.

• 2:40:26Speaker 02

  Look is what you want.

• 2:40:27Speaker 00

  She should be like Sierra. Hey, just.

• 2:40:29Speaker 02

  I'm one of the guys that take me serious.

• 2:40:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, don't do a fuck girl.

• 2:40:33Speaker 02

  Be a serious person, go to church, get baptized.

• 2:40:34Speaker 05

  So why do women have to do that and men don't have to do that?

• 2:40:36Speaker 02

  They also should do that.

• 2:40:37Speaker 00

  They also should do that.

• 2:40:38Speaker 02

  But women unfortunately do uphold a lot of the standards in relationships because men will just kind of take.

• 2:40:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, you seen gay guys?

• 2:40:45Speaker 02

  Men are psychotic.

• 2:40:46Speaker 00

  I'm just saying like.

• 2:40:47Speaker 05

  Men are psychotic.

• 2:40:48Speaker 00

  Gay relationships, there's a lot of like open stuff.

• 2:40:51Speaker 05

  There's a lot of sex with whoever.

• 2:40:53Speaker 00

  Women are the ones that like create the foundation for what a monogamous relationship is.

• 2:40:57Speaker 05

  And what can you say?

• 2:40:58Speaker 00

  Fucking women out of it. There's no rules.

• 2:41:02Speaker 05

  This is a genuine question as a single person.

• 2:41:05Speaker 00

  My point is without them. Dudes is kind of like, hey, man, it is what it is. We're at the equinox.

• 2:41:12Speaker 05

  Right?

• 2:41:13Speaker 00

  With them.

• 2:41:14Speaker 05

  The WeHo Steam Room.

• 2:41:15Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:41:16Speaker 02

  They're doing it, that's okay.

• 2:41:17Speaker 00

  Oh no, I'm not saying whether it's okay or not, but like the traditional values, we can talk all we want about like the patriarchy and the control the patriarchy has. The matriarchy is what upholds the traditional values.

• 2:41:27Speaker 05

  And this is my question for you guys, as like a single person with like not the most hopeful vibes of marriage.

• 2:41:33Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no.

• 2:41:33Speaker 05

  No, I'm just asking you guys.

• 2:41:34Speaker 00

  She wants it, she gonna, she gonna deal with it. She gonna talk about it.

• 2:41:37Speaker 05

  Mark's face is looking.

• 2:41:38Speaker 00

  And listen, hey.

• 2:41:39Speaker 05

  I just want to know from your guys' perspective, do men benefit from that like monogamy, like women wanting to like hold it down?

• 2:41:46Speaker 00

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