The Big Drake Diss Everyone Missed, & The Fall of Chud the Builder

YERRR the boys are back and so is Drake?? - Kendrick fallout, disappearing streams & rap recency bias - Rick Ross, J. Cole, & what does Khaled do now?? - Drake and Shane Gillis, Budden, & Lucian Grainge smoke - Kars4Kids conspiracies, AP watches, & the Knicks All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 0:00 Cornstar takedown in Vegas? 11:47 DRAKE IS BACK 18:04 Hating just to hate + Recency bias 21:46 Going at Kendrick, Variety + Streams disappearing 28:25 What does DJ Khaled do? SAY IT + Scottish scandals 34:18 Rick Ross + Riri no posting ASAP Rocky? 37:30 Explaining lyrics to GF + Light w/ J Cole 40:01 Fighting Lucian Grainge + Ms Richie connection 46:33 Jay-Z/Pusha T, Dr Dre + LeBron bars 50:13 Budden & Drake love each other 52:30 MARK IS GLAZING + Shane Gillis in music video 55:47 White House edit + Drake's BACK 57:45 Chud the Builder arrested + Art vs Attention 1:04:47 Bail set at $1.25m + Words have real meaning 1:10:54 People willingly support + "Get over it" 1:14:00 People can be offended + Pleading to Adin Ross 1:18:06 Clav got mogged by Judge 1:19:11 Kars4Kids scandal + The Mascot 1:26:47 AP x Swatch, Fake watch market + Collabs 1:33:36 Genesis cars, Driving perceptions + Dollar van 1:38:28 Chinese Bus service 1:41:00 Knicks bustin that ass This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  What's up everybody and welcome to Flay Grinch.

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Yes, we're back.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 0:03Speaker 01

  Finally, for the first time.

• 0:05Speaker 00

  This is for the first time we have not already done the podcast.

• 0:08Speaker 01

  Alex is already hating on Drake, which is pissing me off.

• 0:11Speaker 00

  Listen, we're gonna get to the Drake stuff.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:12Speaker 00

  We're gonna get to the Drake stuff.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Relax.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  You, you.

• 0:15Speaker 01

  Don't, don't turn the fans off me this. Nah, you're hating, bro.

• 0:17Speaker 00

  Give it at least five minutes.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  I'm about to turn the builder, bro.

• 0:23Speaker 00

  Well, can we get to Drake in one second? We have an important story to tell. We're just washed dads on the road doing comedy shot at everybody in Salt Lake City. And a friend of ours who will remain anonymous.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:33Speaker 00

  Um, a friend of ours who will remain anonymous, anonymous last tour was with us, took down a porn star in Las Vegas and did not share this story with us.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Okay, so this is when, I think I was out there too, right?

• 0:50Speaker 00

  I mean, if it was a fun city, I would imagine you was fine.

• 0:56Speaker 00

  Oh, I gotta record a podcast in Barcelona. Yo, we're gonna be in Vegas. Oh, they got that car. That's totally fine.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  You know, sphere.

• 1:03Speaker 00

  We're gonna be in Kansas City this weekend.

• 1:07Speaker 00

  My LLA studio is getting renovated.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  This is what happens though.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  God.

• 1:15Speaker 00

  Yo, we're not starting a mod over again.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  We'll just leave it, we'll just leave it.

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Just leave that name, okay?

• 1:19Speaker 01

  So, a random anonymous friend of ours says or tells, he's like, yo, thanks for, uh, thanks for letting me have your penthouse suite.

• 1:26Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:28Speaker 00

  Nice of you.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  He gets a penthouse suite at one of the casinos because he's performing there.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  And then, well, what did I choose to do?

• 1:34Speaker 01

  He had a red eye back to go see his family.

• 1:37Speaker 00

  Family man.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  He's leaving and he has his penthouse suite for the night. So he gives it to one of his friends and goes, hey, you can just have it.

• 1:44Speaker 00

  So he finds a porn star that looks exactly like Dove.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I actually think she's hot, to be honest.

• 1:51Speaker 00

  No, no, she's, she's a very attractive girl. Obviously, she's very successful.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  You wanna fuck Dove? Is that what you just said? I mean, this Dove.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  This dove's not bad.

• 2:01Mark Gagnon?

  She's a little manly.

• 2:02Speaker 00

  Why are we starting out this, uh, mean, this is a beautiful girl.

• 2:06Mark Gagnon?

  No, beautiful.

• 2:08Speaker 00

  And Dove, I think, is a handsome guy.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11Speaker 00

  And when you get-

• 2:11Mark Gagnon?

  Dove is also beautiful.

• 2:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's beautiful. So when you get to that level of handsome, there's gonna be a little bit of crossover.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  If Dove was stacked like that, I guess he kind of is, but if he was, if he was-

• 2:21Speaker 00

  Was.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  If he was-

• 2:22Speaker 00

  Was.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, was.

• 2:24Speaker 00

  Was.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  But he's telling us a story like kind of in passing.

• 2:27Speaker 00

  Definitely no chemical compound helping with that.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  You guys suck.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  None of this is gonna be you.

• 2:36Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not them. You still got tits, alright, man. You still got tits.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  But he brings us a story to say, "Oh yeah, thanks by the way." And all of us just like record scratch like, "Meow." What? And he starts telling us the story. He's like, "Yeah, you know, I hooked up with a porn star, you know, in the penthouse."

• 2:51Speaker 00

  And he's doing that classic thing that this specific friend that will remain nameless, uh, does where like he drops like the most interesting little tidbit and then like pretends to walk away from it.

• 3:03Mark Gagnon?

  You do the same shit, Arden. You do that shit.

• 3:06Speaker 00

  Takes wanna know. Takes wanna know, my dog.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Only master knows another master.

• 3:13Mark Gagnon?

  You wanna catch fish, you need bait, my boy. We scroll through his phone like, "Whoa," and just keep scrolling, just waiting for somebody to be like, "Yeah, what? What's the-"

• 3:22Speaker 01

  But he also loves that, though. Do you remember when we were doing the Netflix commercial, me and Miles were in one of the backrooms and we were like, "Yo, watch this, watch this, watch this." Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And then he just told me, he runs in, "What-"

• 3:34Speaker 00

  You guys having fun in here? I'm like, I'm like the name of the promoter, bro.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  You got a little joy in there? Let me have some of that. But he starts telling us the story.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  And we're all so washed that we're just listening with, like, so much intention.

• 3:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  And then we all start just slow playing and we're like, "No, tell us every detail."

• 3:51Speaker 00

  Can I just back up? He starts telling the story like a woman. Like, he tells us, he's like, "Yo, I hooked up with this porn star." And then he starts going into like emotionally what he was dealing with. Like he starts going be like, yeah, I was so nervous because you know, she's been with all these guys and we're like, nobody gives a flying fuck about your nerves or anxiety. Tell us how much coke you had to give her to get her up to the penthouse and then tell us what happened in the penthouse.

• 4:18Mark Gagnon?

  How much money?

• 4:20Speaker 00

  That's the funny part. It's more of a barter.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  He met the two, he met two porn stars together. And then they were hanging out. He was like, yo, am I about to get, get the double up? And then one of them got a call that she had to tend to.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  She had to go to work.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Okay. And then the other one, I guess, didn't get a call.

• 4:37Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 4:38Speaker 00

  Damn, that's kind of fucked up to put it that way, Mark.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Well, I mean.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  That is, that is messed up.

• 4:45Mark Gagnon?

  Is that how it happened?

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Is that?

• 4:46Speaker 00

  How it happened?

• 4:48Speaker 00

  One had to work that day.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  The way we were saying is, you know, one did charity. Sometimes you gotta give back.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  She gave our friend a promo code.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  She got the, the.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  Flagrant 20.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, he got the promo code and so he redeemed it and got the, the value of the, the proposition. But he starts saying.

• 5:13Mark Gagnon?

  Did he barter services?

• 5:15Speaker 00

  No, not at all. They're just up there. They're vibing.

• 5:17Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 5:17Speaker 00

  But he's telling the story and he's talking about like what he's going through. He keeps on like harping about this, like we're up in the room and I don't know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm like, bro, fast forward, get us to the good part. Do you make out with her? Does she make the move? Whatever.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  And he's like, well, we traded WhatsApp numbers and then we were texting back and forth. She sent me like an emoji and he's like, keep going, get through this part.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Schultz is like Muhammad Ali in Fight Camp. Just like he needs every detail explained to him by like the other people around, you know, just like every. So at one point our friend is like, yeah, you know, like I was, I was looking at the, at the Vegas, you know, skyline, looking at the sphere and this giant penthouse. And she started sucking me off.

• 6:01Mark Gagnon?

  Goes wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Did she unbutton your pants or did you do it? Important, important detail.

• 6:09Speaker 00

  You're making out like.

• 6:10Mark Gagnon?

  But he needed every single.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  I didn't want to tell you guys this. I got a little hard ass. I did, I did, I did. I know, I know, I know. Not fully, but like.

• 6:18Mark Gagnon?

  Too much.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no. Because I was asking the question. I wanted to know.

• 6:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's toeing the line, dude.

• 6:24Speaker 00

  Oh, no. Toeing the line. I was over the line.

• 6:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but your friends right there because you have to picture his dick in the scenario.

• 6:31Speaker 00

  I pictured it. And I made it bigger. I was very, I was very, very kind and generous to him in like my mind as I was, you know, thinking about it. And, uh, and we all wanted to know because it's a porn star, right? Like there's an expectation, you know? If you play one on one with like Steph Curry, like you want to know where he's pulling from. And like, we go, when she went down, did she do all the things or did she have like, was it like a night off? Cause I'm sure that they do it casually too, right? Like there's a different level of performance when the cameras are on and the lights are on, you're getting paid for it.

• 7:03Mark Gagnon?

  How much of a porn star? Because if it's OnlyFans, that's like.

• 7:06Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 7:07Mark Gagnon?

  An author that's self-published.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  No, no, she, she, this girl's studio. This girl's studio.

• 7:11Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, she's.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  This is not one of Dr. Umar's books.

• 7:14Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, okay.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  This is.

• 7:15Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying, like, yeah.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  This is, this is the real deal.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 7:19Mark Gagnon?

  Simon Schuster.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  This is Random House.

• 7:24Speaker 00

  So she says she went for it.

• 7:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Tried to eat the booty while he was standing.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Come on, Miles. Come on, Miles. Tried to eat, this is a little early in the pod to even share something like this.

• 7:39Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, you got me now.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  Tried to eat the booty while he was standing.

• 7:42Mark Gagnon?

  I'm about to get rocked.

• 7:44Speaker 00

  See what I'm saying? Made him spread his legs like a cop, right? Made him spread the legs and he rejected the booty leg.

• 7:52Mark Gagnon?

  Gay, stopping first. Gay. Unless he's a little dirty.

• 7:57Speaker 00

  Of course he's dirty. They've been at a nightclub partying in Las Vegas, but the fact that she still went for it.

• 8:05Mark Gagnon?

  Ow.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  I mean, it's like.

• 8:09Mark Gagnon?

  He got one, I want one too.

• 8:10Speaker 00

  It's truly. Cheers for the L.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Everything else is in.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  And then the Floyd's part.

• 8:20Mark Gagnon?

  How you turn that down from a porn star? That would have been the, probably the best.

• 8:25Speaker 00

  I don't even know.

• 8:25Mark Gagnon?

  Cleanest his ass would have ever been.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  Oh. Anyway, we'll continue.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  Floyd's part is that he, so he's in this penthouse suite with a whole panoramic view of the entire Las Vegas skyline. And he was like, yeah, dude, she was, she was blowing me. It was awesome. And we were like, which way were you facing?

• 8:41Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. Cause she put him up on the window.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  He got pinned up.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  So immediately I'm like, wait, what? And I was like, your back is to the, to the window? He's like, yeah. And I'm like, no. No, not at all.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  He was almost Patrick Bateman. He was like this close. He was just like looking out on the city.

• 8:59Speaker 00

  She shouldn't have the view because she can't see anything.

• 9:01Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  It should be reversed. And then you're seeing the entire Vegas skyline. You're seeing the, the, the, the sphere.

• 9:07Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  Everything.

• 9:09Mark Gagnon?

  Then one arm on the glass, you know, it's a little support system. Yeah. Come on, we've been there before. Come on.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Massive fumble.

• 9:15Speaker 00

  I'm glad that we're thinking the exact same thing.

• 9:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 9:18Speaker 00

  I'm glad we're thinking the same thing.

• 9:19Mark Gagnon?

  He ain't turning around like.

• 9:21Speaker 00

  Listen, I think that, I think when you're in a situation like that, you're just trying to hold on for dear life.

• 9:26Mark Gagnon?

  Son, you're a DP. Get your angles right, bro.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  Was DP me? Oh. Those are the different meanings.

• 9:33Mark Gagnon?

  Don't want to.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Okay, Drake. Okay, Drake.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  But yeah, that was a wonderful weekend in Salt Lake.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. Imagine holding on to that story for two years and not telling your friends.

• 9:45Mark Gagnon?

  Right? Did he pipe?

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:47Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay. Last long?

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Well, that's the annoying part.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  This.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  He goes, yeah, you know, like, uh.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Cause we asked that. I love how you're asking every question. I love how you're asking the exact same questions that we were asking, right?

• 10:03Mark Gagnon?

  The important shit.

• 10:04Speaker 00

  Cause we were like, yo, how long did it last? And he was like, well, you have to understand like emotionally what I've been going through.

• 10:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, I would have slapped him.

• 10:10Speaker 00

  I would have slapped him.

• 10:12Mark Gagnon?

  I'm getting frustrated. We need this.

• 10:16Speaker 00

  We needed it bad, bro. We needed it bad. You know what number he threw out there? How long he lasted? He's like, it was all right. Just guess the number that all right is.

• 10:24Mark Gagnon?

  Knowing him, I would have been like, he probably said like 20 minutes or some shit like that.

• 10:28Speaker 00

  Son.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Bang on, dude.

• 10:30Speaker 00

  It was almost like you were there with us.

• 10:33Mark Gagnon?

  That's crazy. Oh, come on. Why you got a front? You got a front.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, a mediocre display of 20, 25 minutes.

• 10:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  And we're like, that's the cumulative.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  She don't got one video of 25 minutes. You just gave her the longest.

• 10:47Mark Gagnon?

  That's a nut. Rest nut again, right?

• 10:52Speaker 00

  He said, he said, uh, he said, uh, he said he had to play pool for like 15 minutes before they hooked up. And we were like, why? He goes, that blue chew ain't kicking.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  He literally did the ad. He did the ad.

• 11:07Mark Gagnon?

  He needed the blue chew gold, man.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Any other questions that you're ruminating on?

• 11:15Mark Gagnon?

  Did he circle black?

• 11:16Speaker 00

  No, we asked the same thing. Have you circled the block? And he said, no.

• 11:21Speaker 00

  It is really amazing how we have the exact same curiosity.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  There's only 10 questions, I guess.

• 11:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like, all of us wants to know the exact same thing. And somehow, when he was communicating it, none of these things were answered. Like, I almost wanted him to tell you the story without you asking any questions.

• 11:36Mark Gagnon?

  I really was getting frustrated at like, the level of like, come on, bro.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Cause I would get hard and then it would soften up again and our card would soften up again.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Had to play it's pool.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 11:46Speaker 00

  Anyway, y'all listen to that Drake?

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Iceman is out.

• 11:50Speaker 00

  The Iceman cometh.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 11:52Speaker 00

  Um, listen, I know there's a lot of you guys out there that have been dying for us to, you know, review this triple album.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Our rap take is very influential.

• 12:00Speaker 00

  Our rap take is very influential in the hip hop community. I know the asshole army really wants to hear it. I mean, if you just think about it, we have, we have a black guy, we have a white guy, and we have a guy that everyone seems to think is Jewish. So together, we are probably the, the, the most qualified group.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  We're Drake.

• 12:18Speaker 00

  We are Drake.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  We're Drake, bro.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  We are Drake. At the end of the day, we're Drake.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  We're Drake. I'm Iceman.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  I mean, facts, you know, so like.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  I think you're Iceman. I think I'm made of honor. I think you're Habib T.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  You're definitely Habib T.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:30Speaker 00

  You're definitely Habib T.

• 12:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you know, fuck you guys. How about that? How about that?

• 12:38Speaker 00

  Listen, we got it. I mean, we got to talk about it. What did you think?

• 12:41Mark Gagnon?

  I want to hate, but Drake is back, bro.

• 12:44Speaker 00

  Wait, wait. You don't want to hate.

• 12:46Mark Gagnon?

  I said, I want to hate.

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Oh, you want to hate, but Drake is.

• 12:48Mark Gagnon?

  Drake is back.

• 12:49Speaker 00

  It's heat, bro.

• 12:49Mark Gagnon?

  Drake is back.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  It's heat, like.

• 12:53Speaker 00

  It's fun to listen to, but if you're like a rap rap rapper, like you like bars, it's crazy.

• 13:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 13:01Mark Gagnon?

  And you know what it was? Drake's been on top for so long that it was just kind of fun for him not to be on top for a little bit. So we just had a just some fun, even though I'm a Drake fan, but it was fun just to clown him for a bit. But he's back. If you hate on this album, yeah, I hate just a hater.

• 13:17Speaker 00

  You're a hater.

• 13:18Mark Gagnon?

  This shit is.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  Which way you talking about? Iceman or the all three?

• 13:22Mark Gagnon?

  Um, the whole girly shit. I haven't even touched that. Like I played a couple of songs on it and I.

• 13:27Speaker 00

  Habiti?

• 13:28Mark Gagnon?

  Two out of the three. That's good enough for me.

• 13:32Speaker 00

  Two out of three is insane.

• 13:34Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, it's a lot of songs.

• 13:35Speaker 00

  Sure. That's the thing. I think most people, and we were talking about this this weekend. It's like, I don't think most people have even really digested three.

• 13:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 00

  I think they're like listening to Iceman and they like jumped around songs on the other two. So I think there'll be other songs that start to pop up from the other two. But Iceman got some slaps.

• 13:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 13:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:54Mark Gagnon?

  Biggest win, Toronto.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 13:57Mark Gagnon?

  They finally have some pride back. Cause that's all they had.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  The weekends.

• 14:02Mark Gagnon?

  He don't, he barely claims them. He's always in LA.

• 14:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's more LA. But he's still theirs.

• 14:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  He's still theirs.

• 14:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but I'm just saying like now they got pride again. They're smiling. They weren't smiling for a good two years.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  And I don't like them. I don't like them down. Like Canadians are their best when they feel good, happy, like they were getting bullied by Trump with the 51st stage shit. Like they were just going through a lot of like torture.

• 14:29Mark Gagnon?

  So we beat them at hockey. That's how bad.

• 14:33Speaker 00

  If he dropped this album before that game, we might have a silver medal. We might have a silver medal, man.

• 14:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  I thought it was fire. I really, I, I, but I'm also a Drake glazer, admittedly.

• 14:44Speaker 00

  Why is it glazing to appreciate the person who's the best at the thing? Am I a Michael Jordan glazer?

• 14:50Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:51Mark Gagnon?

  I was talking to him a little bit before the pod and so the one that where he sounds like Kodak Black and I'm like, would you like it if somebody went on stage dressed like you and told the jokes exactly like you do it?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  If it was Drake?

• 15:04Mark Gagnon?

  No, you wouldn't like that shit.

• 15:06Speaker 00

  You don't think he got the cosign from Kodak for that one?

• 15:08Mark Gagnon?

  It's not about that. It's like either have a feature with him on the song. Don't just steal his sound and his flow.

• 15:14Speaker 00

  But wasn't he locked up?

• 15:15Mark Gagnon?

  Whatever, so then don't do it.

• 15:17Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 15:18Mark Gagnon?

  It's just a weird thing to do. Like, it sounds like them, it's the same flow.

• 15:22Speaker 00

  The flow is identical to the, what was it?

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Transportin'.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Transportin' song that Kodak did. Do you think we were trying to get to?

• 15:31Mark Gagnon?

  I just gotta watch out, yeah.

• 15:34Speaker 00

  I thought that was fire, I thought Chevaldi's was good. I thought, what? You saw that one?

• 15:43Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta sandwich it in with something, you can't just.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  I do, I didn't even get the other part of the bun on it yet. Shut it down immediately. Alright guys, important announcements. June 5th and 6th will be at Virginia Beach for shows. Uh, we'll also be, uh, August 8th in Halifax, Nova Scotia. For a show out there, Great Outdoor Fest, fantastic. And also, we're doing something really good for the world, okay? June 4th, the Life Paddle Classic. We partnered up with Neurogum and the IVF charity that I've been working with. Baby Quest, amazing charity, shout out to Baby Quest. They do incredible work helping people start families that are dealing with, uh, obvious, you know, financial constraints that come with IVF. But Neurogum has set this thing up, you go to neurogum.com/pages/shultz,

• 16:30Speaker 00

  you buy that dad bundle, it's got your wake up mints, it's got your go to sleep mints, it's got everything you possibly need. And all the proceeds from the entire event are gonna go to Baby Quest. And if you're not able to show up to the event, you just wanna support, go get some Neurogum as well, because all the proceeds from that link right there that I just told you about are gonna be going to them. And there's also a button that's gonna be on that website where you can just donate directly to Baby Quest. Again, you'll be changing people's lives. It's an absolutely amazing thing that you could, uh, that you could donate to. So, that event's gonna be taking place at Paddle House Dumbo, uh, Thursday, June 4th, 1pm to 5pm. Come hang out, come play, enjoy the day, and shout out to Neurogum and Baby Quest.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Also, I have great news. Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona, Pasadena, California, and, uh, Detroit, Michigan, and Salt Lake City, I'm coming to you. I'm doing stand-up comedy in all these places and you can get the tickets on my website, Mark Gagnon Live, and I cannot wait to see you all there. Thank you very much. Alejandro.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  And in the gift of giving, um, shout out to Food Bank for NYC. They invited me to their gala that we had this past week. Uh, we raised 1.4 million or something like that to, you know, feed people in need. So that was awesome. And also thank everybody who came out to the tennis event I had this, this Saturday. It was fucking fantastic. The next one, if you missed it, the next one is going to be July 25th. Get your tickets at theallloveclub.com. The next one is July 25th. See you guys there.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  No, I thought it was fire and I think people have been wanting to clown on it. And like there's bars that people are like pulling out and being like, oh, this sucks. I don't know. I just feel like the whole Kendrick Drake thing, just people being like, yeah, I wanted to hate on Drake for a year. I'm like, all right, it just feels lame to me that people wanted to just hate on him just because they want to hate.

• 18:22Speaker 00

  I mean, that's, I, it is super lame, but that is kind of how we act towards people who have immense success for long periods of time.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:30Speaker 00

  Like I remember Jordan going through it.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Like Jordan was obviously the best player in the league and there are people that are saying, ah, but he, you know, he's never going to be Magic. He's never going to be Bird. It's like, yeah, he's better than both of them.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  You know, so there is this like natural reaction and you almost need to see somebody suffer so that you could celebrate them. We're very weird like that.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 18:48Speaker 00

  And like the people that manage suffering, meaning like they share a lot of their suffering are easier to root for. And you notice that, but the people who just crush it is harder to just celebrate.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  Like you celebrating someone who's only winning.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  Fucking everybody's girl, making tons of money, putting out the best music. Like, yeah, there's a natural human instinct, I guess, and it sucks that we have it in us to kind of pull that person down. But if you're being objective, he's nice at the thing.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so many, like albums aside, just so many good songs over such a long period of time. Like what 12 years?

• 19:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, this has been the greatest run in hip hop.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  And even if there's only one good song on album, he's putting out good songs every single year for 12 years. I'm like, that alone is impressive.

• 19:38Speaker 00

  So here's, here's, here's my question. I have, I have two. One, I want to know. Everyone that he got at that I didn't even think he got at like who are we're all the disses? Who are the craziest disses? Who are the disses? Who are the disses to the people that it's not even really publicly known yet? And then two, does this erase the Drake Kendrick beef?

• 20:01Mark Gagnon?

  Let's start with two.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, you want to start with two?

• 20:04Speaker 00

  You don't think it erases it? Does it chip away from it?

• 20:07Mark Gagnon?

  No, in the same way that Pusha T beat Drake, but Drake came back with good music. Where it's like, people aren't really talking about it anymore, but it's still an L on his record.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, but we don't even, I forgot he lost to Pusha T.

• 20:22Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't.

• 20:23Speaker 00

  Like, again, I'm more casual about it, but like to me, I think with music or with sports, there's this recency bias where like you could get knocked out in a fight. Like, for example, Francis Ngano this past weekend. Before this, Francis Ngano got knocked out by Anthony Joshua, if I'm not mistaken, in a boxing match. He comes in this week and he fights a guy who's definitely a lesser opponent, but he looks so unbelievably intimidating that you're just like, yo, this guy's the baddest man on the fucking planet.

• 20:53Mark Gagnon?

  I agree with you.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  Ronda Rousey too, like Ronda Rousey was getting fucked up in the UFC. I mean, Holly was Holly Holm, I think knocked her out pretty easily. And it's like, then you see her just take out Gina Carano 15 seconds. Yes, Gina's much older, hasn't fought in a long time, but there is this recency bias in us for things. And I wonder, it's like, if Kendrick not dropping anything, and he probably isn't, and this is the last thing that we've seen, is he back on top?

• 21:19Speaker 01

  Well, I think, to me, this is just what I kind of expected him to do, which is like, same with Nas and Jay-Z. It's like, yeah, you lose the battle, but you win the war. And like, I think Drake is just gonna, when it's all said and done 20 years from now, Drake will have won the war 10 times over.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  The difference with Nas and Jay-Z is that they're now both billionaires and friends.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  I don't think Drake and Kendrick will ever be friends. I don't think they're ever gonna like patch it up in 20 years and be cool.

• 21:47Speaker 00

  Decision to continue going at Kendrick in this, right decision or wrong decision?

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to. I think if you avoid it, it's like, ah, you acknowledge you lost, you bowed out, and that's it.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  But I liked that it wasn't like whole songs dedicated to it.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:02Speaker 00

  It was just like, yo, this beef is forever. I'm gonna continue sunning you.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  The whole album is kinda dedicated to it in a way, but it's dedicated to everyone that shows up.

• 22:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's him plus everyone.

• 22:13Speaker 00

  It's not a specific diss track. It's like a little bar here, a little bar there. If it's a specific diss track, then Kendrick might have to get back in the studio. But does he get back in the studio for a line or two? I think no. So it's almost...

• 22:30Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna lie, like Drake definitely played it good. Selfishly, I wish he had one song, just like... Yeah, cuz I remember when, even after the Jay-Z Nas situation on Blueprint 2, Jay-Z just had a whole song just destroying Nas. And it's like, people don't really talk about it, but I'm telling you, this was the hardest diss track of all of them.

• 22:51Speaker 00

  Sure, but...

• 22:52Speaker 01

  And I love that. So just as a fan of battle rap,

• 22:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  I would've liked another one.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  You would've liked as a fan, but strategically, it's like...

• 22:59Speaker 01

  It wouldn't have been the smart play.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  You don't want Kendrick to drop and then fuck up your rollout.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  True.

• 23:03Speaker 00

  Cuz if you do some crazy shit, Kendrick drops, now we're talking about the back and forth beat again, and you just put out 45 songs, and now you gotta get back in the fucking studio again. It's like, you wanna do just enough where you're taking shots and he's not responding.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Which is why I think the triple album is smart for a bunch of reasons. It's like, one, I'm acknowledging everything that's gone on in the past two years. So it's like, that's Iceman. And then it's like, I'm also gonna put songs for the women, kinda like the Drake that you know, that's like Habity. And then, here's where I'm gonna go, and that's made of honor. It's like, it's more experimental. He's trying out different sounds. And it's like pushing, kind of like, here's the next wave that y'all are gonna jump on. So he kinda does everything all at once, like, here's where I'm at, here's the old me, here's the new me. And it's just flooding the plane. And on top of that, Miles pointed this out to me. Michael Jackson is the only artist to have three of his albums chart.

• 23:56Speaker 00

  At the same time? Top three, one, two, and three, right after he died. Oh, wow.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Right after he dies. He has the three albums chart. He's the only artist to do it. And Drake, it seems like he's making a push with this to try to do the same thing.

• 24:06Speaker 00

  And the nod with the glove?

• 24:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  Apparently, he's the guy who bought the glove.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, $150,000 for the diamond glove.

• 24:13Speaker 00

  I thought that was kind of a steal, right? I thought he rented it for that. I'm being 100%.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  No, I think he bought it.

• 24:20Speaker 00

  From what I understand, it's he bought it between. Michael Jackson's diamond encrusted glove is only $150,000, but there's a Pokemon card. It is worth 7 million?

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  Doesn't that seem off? But I wonder if they have a few gloves?

• 24:33Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I think. I think there's a few gloves and it's not diamonds, probably like rhinestones, something like that.

• 24:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, who cares what the stone is?

• 24:40Mark Gagnon?

  Just the fact that Michael.

• 24:41Speaker 00

  If there was the one.

• 24:42Mark Gagnon?

  Multiple.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  There's multiple. But there's multiple Pokemon cards. That, to me, just feels so odd.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Well, if you're talking about the Pikachu Illustrator PSA 10.

• 24:50Speaker 00

  There's only one.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  There's only one of those.

• 24:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  There's only one of those. What? I'm not trying to get you. That's what it is.

• 24:57Speaker 00

  What do you think has been in the hands of more kids?

• 25:02Speaker 00

  Banger. Absolute banger. Absolute banger. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome.

• 25:09Mark Gagnon?

  I like that. I do like that. I'm gonna start doing that.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  Great job, Chelsea.

• 25:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'll be giving me.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  No, he dissed everyone. So obviously, there's a Kendrick diss is on like a bunch of different tracks. Uh, damn, who is this guy for real? I guess a magician. 100 million streams vanished. No one's got questions. Talking about the Kendrick streams that all of a sudden were there and then they got pulled down.

• 25:27Mark Gagnon?

  A little hypocritical because some of your streams disappeared as well.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  That is kind of funny to do. That is kind of funny to do. It's like, it's like Nancy Pelosi and like Trump talking to each other about rigging the stock market.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  You rigged it more. Yeah, okay, alright.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Uh, and Mugsy Boggs dunked for once. Even I'm a bit amazed. Kind of funny. This one was one that people, specifically on Black Twitter, got kind of, there was discussion about it. White kids listen to you because they feel some guilt and that's how your soul gets fulfilled. Handing out turkeys on camera inside of your hood and then you go back to the hills. How many houses you built? How many souls did you heal off the back of your deal? So he's basically saying white kids are listening to Kendrick because they have white guilt. He's like, they listen to you because they want to be like an activist and a part of this whole like, you know, black cultural movement. And that they do it because you're, you represent that in the space, not because they actually like the music.

• 26:24Speaker 00

  I'll be honest, I never met a white person listen Kendrick, bro.

• 26:27Mark Gagnon?

  No, you go to a Kendrick concert, it's they're buying most of the tickets.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Is that right?

• 26:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Well, that's also-

• 26:33Mark Gagnon?

  That's most of hip hop.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:35Mark Gagnon?

  Most of-

• 26:35Speaker 00

  But that's just a numbers game, isn't it? At the end of the day, it's like when you, when your genre is the most popular genre of music in the world, and you live in a country where black people are 12% of population and white people are like fucking 60 or 70, like the chances are the numbers are gonna be skewed in that way.

• 26:50Mark Gagnon?

  But like, NBA Youngboy show, it's a bit more mixed than a Kendrick show.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  The whites ain't getting, getting after the NBA Youngboy?

• 26:57Mark Gagnon?

  They like him, but it's a bit more mixed.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  But he's calling out Kendrick's hypocrisy because he's like, he's basically trying to say, oh Kendrick, you say you only make music for black people, you're a black artist for black people, but then your show is, you know, 80% white.

• 27:13Speaker 00

  What I would say is like, that's not Kendrick's fault. Like, he can't decide who buys the tickets.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  But he's just saying you're misrepresenting who you are. I'm being honest, my music's for everyone. That's why my audience is Indian kids and white kids and black kids.

• 27:25Speaker 00

  That is true. I would say that like, he's more ubiquitous. Drake is a more like, um, universal artist.

• 27:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Speaker 00

  Like-

• 27:32Mark Gagnon?

  But sometimes he'll frame things trying to make them like this is when they aren't, because that's a good thing for him.

• 27:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's like, he's like, you just make music for black people. And then Kendrick's like, yeah.

• 27:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Like, uh, when he said, uh, you rap like you're trying to free the slaves, I'm like, yeah, it's a good thing. You don't want to free the slaves? You want them to stay there?

• 27:55Speaker 00

  I mean, like, you know, Drake is, he's half wants them.

• 28:01Mark Gagnon?

  So you're like, he'll try to frame shit like that. I'm like, bro, look in the mirror, man. That's why people keep telling him, look in the mirror.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  That would be a good movie if some guy did rap and freed the slaves. That'd be a fire movie. Would you not watch that?

• 28:14Speaker 00

  If rapping freed the slaves?

• 28:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 00

  Mark, keep going.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  That's a Miles comment.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  I was just saying, it would be a good movie.

• 28:24Speaker 00

  All right, give me, give me.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  He goes to DJ Khalid, that one went super viral and everyone's in Khalid's comments.

• 28:29Speaker 00

  What does Khalid do? What is Khalid? Cause I think he thought it was just gonna like brush past.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 28:35Speaker 00

  Or maybe some PR firm told him like, hey, it's better you don't say something, whatever, but like, this is not going away. And now he's so late to saying anything.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 28:45Speaker 00

  That if he does, it will just look performative. Like he's doing it because he's getting criticism.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  So what does he do? He just doesn't go outside anymore?

• 28:55Mark Gagnon?

  But then another thing, so hypocritical. Because Jewish Drake, I hear you speak out about Israel.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Well, he did sign the creators for peace thing.

• 29:05Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck is that?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  This was like basically a big coalition of artists that signed like a ceasefire activism plea. That was very public and he signed it like.

• 29:15Mark Gagnon?

  That's the quietest way you can say free Palestine.

• 29:18Speaker 00

  It's louder than Khalid.

• 29:22Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't even know that. I didn't even know that happened.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  Alex.

• 29:26Mark Gagnon?

  I guess it's a little bit of.

• 29:27Speaker 00

  Louder than Khalid? Khalid can't even say it.

• 29:30Mark Gagnon?

  That's true.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  That's insane. Like.

• 29:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  I mean, free Palestine, is it that crazy? Like, what's the opposite of free Palestine? Enslaved? Palestine? Like, how could you not say? Like, sometimes I see people that they can't even say the words.

• 29:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know.

• 29:45Speaker 00

  You know, and you're just like, well, what are you trying to say if you can't say the words?

• 29:49Mark Gagnon?

  That's it.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  Like, I understand like words might have different meanings, et cetera, but like, you should be allowed to say the word. Don't you want everybody to feel free? Like, how could you not want anybody to be free?

• 29:59Speaker 01

  It is a politically charged comment.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  Of course, it's same as a crisis king.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  No, that's factual.

• 30:04Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying?

• 30:06Speaker 01

  That's just factual.

• 30:07Mark Gagnon?

  That was like that judge we were watching, the brilliant idiot, so he's like, they were asking him a direct question like, "Oh, can Trump run for a third time?"

• 30:14Speaker 00

  And these motherfuckers couldn't even say it.

• 30:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  They couldn't even say it's unconstitutional.

• 30:18Mark Gagnon?

  That shit is, phew.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Bro, crazy. But now everyone's in Khalid's comments, just being like, "Yo, say it."

• 30:24Speaker 00

  Kid to turn off the comments, right?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 00

  So what would you do if you're Khalid? What would you do? You gotta join Hamas. That's the only way, right? You gotta go extra. You gotta go...

• 30:33Speaker 01

  They gotta dig bigger tunnels, dog.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Did Khalid join Hamas? He's like, "Hold on, hold on."

• 30:43Speaker 00

  Bro, there's no way he's paragliding. There's not, there's not a fucking parachute big enough.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  It's gonna look like Indiana Jones, that rock.

• 30:54Speaker 00

  No, but for real, like, what does he do? What would you do if you were...

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Now you gotta ride it out. I'm assuming that in his mind, because he's half Palestinian, full Palestinian?

• 31:01Mark Gagnon?

  I think full.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Like, in his mind, I'm sure people got on his ear and they're like, "Hey, you're a pop star, you make music for everyone, you're one of the biggest artists in the world, you're getting all this money off of making these hits, so you work with everybody, you don't need to say anything. Just because you're ethnically from a place, you don't gotta do it." I'm sure people told him that.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  And they probably said this is gonna go away.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they'll be like, "This'll all smooth out, and you're gonna be fine, you can privately have your beliefs, but publicly, you don't need to say anything." And I'm assuming that's what his position was, it was a political one. And now, he's made enemies with people, and now they're applying pressure, ala Drake. Like, Mo Omar said the same thing in his special.

• 31:34Speaker 00

  He called out Khalid, too.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  And so now people are noticing, being like, "Bro, you're us, and you're not saying anything about this, that's crazy." And there's even been videos of people that have interviewed Khalid, they're like, "Yo, say free Palestine." He goes, "Peace and love to everybody."

• 31:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know. That shit is crazy.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  What I don't understand is, like, what is he worried about saying it?

• 31:52Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe his partners, whatever, backers are...

• 31:55Speaker 00

  But like, wouldn't they understand that he would feel that way? Like, wouldn't he understand that he would want his family members over there?

• 32:03Mark Gagnon?

  Are they that understanding?

• 32:04Speaker 00

  They don't have to understand, they don't have to understand their position, but they could empathize with his position.

• 32:11Mark Gagnon?

  Can they?

• 32:12Speaker 00

  You, I mean, do you not?

• 32:13Speaker 01

  I think it's one of those things where they're like, "Hey, remember that rich, you know, like Zionist billionaire that you performed at his kid's bar mitzvah two years ago, and he paid you crazy money to go do it? Do you want those deals to dry up? You can either make a stand and gain financially, maybe something, maybe not a ton." Or you can say nothing and still be able to play both sides of the ball and make money from everyone. I'm assuming that's what happened behind the scenes.

• 32:36Mark Gagnon?

  You think he's gonna keep getting Weight Watcher deals while he gains weight? That only, that only happens when you cool with a lot of people.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  So he thought that like being a, we're assuming here obviously, but he thought that like his ability to be this celebrity for everyone, this like public figure that can have access to all these different rooms would be limited by taking a stance on this cause.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  That's what I assume.

• 33:02Mark Gagnon?

  But it's the same shit Drake does.

• 33:04Speaker 00

  Interesting. You're like Drake isn't loud enough about it to call out Cali.

• 33:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 33:09Speaker 00

  But I think he got pushed back for that too.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  But I think in Drake's position, he's like, I don't have to say anything. I'm Canadian.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, these aren't my people. Whereas like you should be, feel compelled to talk about it because they're your people.

• 33:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 33:20Speaker 00

  Now, you can feel compelled to talk about because you're a human being.

• 33:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  Absolutely. But like, if something's happening in Scotland, it doesn't matter to you probably as much as it might matter to me.

• 33:30Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, it matters to me because you're my brother, bro.

• 33:32Speaker 00

  Yo, man.

• 33:33Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, man.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Thank you, bro.

• 33:35Mark Gagnon?

  What's going on over there? I don't give a fuck.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, what is going on over there?

• 33:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, what's going on with them sheepfuckers?

• 33:40Speaker 00

  Damn, bro. Talent is crazy.

• 33:42Mark Gagnon?

  You, you proud of that though?

• 33:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, but doesn't, you didn't mean it that way.

• 33:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 33:48Speaker 00

  We both like big asses. Fair enough, fair enough.

• 33:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, come on, man.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  I mean, what about the political scandal, the 2026 Holyrood election?

• 33:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was crazy.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  You remember that?

• 33:58Speaker 00

  That was crazy. I, yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  The Scottish National Party was facing that, that difficult election cycle?

• 34:03Speaker 00

  I know, I know. It's just fucking.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  What's your take on that?

• 34:06Mark Gagnon?

  The Howdy scandal was fucking nuts.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  That was a crazy scandal out there and I'm like, I'm glad we got through it as a country and a people. It shows our resiliency, you know what I mean? Free Palestine.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  You're gonna say free Scotland.

• 34:16Speaker 00

  Free Scotland.

• 34:17Mark Gagnon?

  There you go.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  And then he went to Rick Ross. I actually, I liked this bar. I thought it was cool.

• 34:22Speaker 00

  I mean, it was very clever.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Aiden Ross was streamed before Aiden Ross had ever streamed. I thought that was good.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  Great bar.

• 34:29Mark Gagnon?

  Hard bar.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Oh, he went to ASAP crazy hard. Your baby mama ain't even posted a single. Damn, where's she at?

• 34:38Speaker 00

  That's, I mean, that's a lot.

• 34:39Mark Gagnon?

  That's.

• 34:39Speaker 00

  They got beef, but also if I drop an album. You know what I mean? If I drop an album, like, my wife's private on Instagram, I'm like, get it up. What are we doing over here?

• 34:51Mark Gagnon?

  Like, yeah, a little bit, right? Maybe there's a reason.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  She must have posted something.

• 34:55Mark Gagnon?

  She must, like, you almost don't want to believe it.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  She must have posted, that's probably an unfair take.

• 35:00Mark Gagnon?

  Can we check that?

• 35:00Speaker 00

  Should obviously check it, but like.

• 35:03Mark Gagnon?

  I feel like she posted him. Maybe not the song, but like, maybe him in a product ad or something.

• 35:10Speaker 00

  I mean, she's also a billionaire, she's like, I'm supporting enough, you know what I mean? This is Rihanna we're talking about. Also, she, she made three of his kids. She's done a lot.

• 35:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 00

  She's done a lot.

• 35:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 35:22Speaker 00

  Shout out ASAP.

• 35:23Mark Gagnon?

  But that's also ASAP's fault. He keeps shooting at Drake. Like, his last album was so many dissing that Drake.

• 35:29Speaker 00

  But I respect that too, like.

• 35:31Mark Gagnon?

  Why?

• 35:31Speaker 00

  ASAP's from New York, bro. Like, you tell me a New York dude who's, who someone's talking shit about and they're not gonna talk shit back. Facts. Like, I think that a lot of people, when they see him in the.

• 35:40Mark Gagnon?

  My bad ASAP.

• 35:41Speaker 00

  No, you know what I mean? Like, they see him in the fashion world and they forget, like, this is a New York rapper. And you talking shit about me, you're gonna get it back. Like, every single time.

• 35:50Mark Gagnon?

  You're completely right.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Now, let the record show.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  According to Billboard from 2025, this is December from 2025. Rihanna hopped into Rocky's Instagram comment section showing love for her man and his hard work, saying, so effing proud, let's go, baby.

• 36:04Speaker 00

  That's, that's not a post.

• 36:06Mark Gagnon?

  That's not enough.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:07Speaker 00

  It's not enough.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  That's a good comment, that's a nice supportive comment.

• 36:10Speaker 00

  It is a nice supportive comment.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  And maybe there was more.

• 36:13Mark Gagnon?

  Couldn't even hit the reshare or something.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  Maybe there was more.

• 36:16Speaker 00

  Shut up, this is, this is New York, bro. The Knicks is in the playoffs, man. We need unity right now.

• 36:23Mark Gagnon?

  It's Iceman season right now, man.

• 36:26Speaker 00

  Iceman season happens after the NBA Finals. Shout out ASAP, alright?

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Took a little shot at J. Cole.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  I thought that was light.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Actually, I thought that was light and less, there's another way to interpret it. Say the line.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  So, there's a couple, he says, me, I stood 10 Ts and accepted the mission, cuz I'd much rather be caught in submission. How can you press the ignition and let some memories of the past affect your decision?

• 36:51Speaker 00

  Now, say the other one about engaged.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  The married rapper line.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I gotta pull that one up.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  I could have fell back like the married rapper, but we engaged is the line. When he says it, it kinda sounds like he said, but we ain't gay.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Oh. That's what I thought the little double entendre now, but this could be like that dumb rap shit where you like find like 20 meanings to something that doesn't.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  But the couple of bars after that, he does, he is still popping shots, I don't know. Yeah. Have you seen the kid, this is, this guy's funny.

• 37:26Mark Gagnon?

  He definitely went lighter on J. Cole than I thought he was.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was delicate with him.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  We can't play the audio, but he does, uh, he does explaining Drake lyrics.

• 37:35Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, to his girl, this is funny.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  This is funny.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Do you get that?

• 37:41Speaker 05

  No, what does that mean?

• 37:42Speaker 04

  He's down to put bills on their face, like money for their head because he's down to like hire someone to kill them.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  But then also bills in their face, like flexing on them.

• 37:52Speaker 05

  Oh, okay. I don't think.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  But also like a duck bill.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:57Speaker 04

  Because they're ducking Drake.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  Ducking Drake.

• 37:59Speaker 04

  Like they're ducking him.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  But the name for a male duck is a Drake.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no.

• 38:06Speaker 04

  Drake's, so they're ducking Drake.

• 38:08Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  And Kendrick's last name is Ducksworth.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  No way.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  So this whole song is dissing Kendrick.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Who's ducking Drake.

• 38:16Speaker 05

  That is insane.

• 38:18Speaker 04

  And then it goes even further because the Buffalo Bills.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  Their rivals are the Patriots.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  And their quarterback is Drake May. So they're ducking Drake.

• 38:29Speaker 05

  No way.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Isn't that insane?

• 38:34Speaker 01

  This is how we want women to react to everything we say.

• 38:36Mark Gagnon?

  That's awesome.

• 38:38Mark Gagnon?

  I love that.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, right?

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Maybe a lot.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  You realize how much your wife don't care about you once you have kids and they run to see you when you come home?

• 38:48Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like daddy, she's like full on sprint, my wife is still cleaning dishes and stuff. She's like, hey baby, how you doing?

• 38:56Speaker 00

  Anyway.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Uh, okay, we got a bunch more. I mean, he goes to Jay-Z.

• 39:00Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, but before we move on from that, why do you think? He went light at Cole?

• 39:06Speaker 00

  Cause he knows Cole's not gonna respond.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  I think he also has a lot of love for Cole Stone.

• 39:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:10Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  But I think he all had to call it out like, yo, that was weak.

• 39:14Speaker 00

  It's also bullying if you go at Cole. Like going at someone who's gonna engage in a beef with you.

• 39:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh shit.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  No, I mean, I mean.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  I know.

• 39:24Speaker 00

  I'm not trying to diss Cole. I'm saying like Cole has already said, I'm not gonna beef with anybody.

• 39:28Mark Gagnon?

  Mm hmm.

• 39:28Speaker 00

  So. You're basically calling him out for not supporting you. But he's not be, you know what I mean?

• 39:35Mark Gagnon?

  I get it, but he's started this whole shit. You could. Damn near blame Cole for having all the shit Drake went through.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  That's why he called him gay.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Or engaged.

• 39:46Mark Gagnon?

  Or engaged, yeah. But I don't know. I think it should have been more bars. And then he said something about like, he didn't pick up. He tried to call him. Or he didn't call him back or something like that.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  I didn't hear that.

• 39:58Speaker 00

  All right, give me some real fucking heat. Give me some like.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Well, the Lucy and Grange ones is.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  Who is Lucy and Grange again? He's the head of Universal?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Head of Universal.

• 40:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  So there's a couple bars in here that are interesting. So one that's obviously says, I'm fighting the man, not suing a rapper. You boys aren't listening. So he's talking about how he's fighting the label that he's in this deal with. And he has a bunch of lines at him. He says, me and Lucy and both got Jewish ties. But still, but I'll still call the cap on his head like, like Jewish rabbis. And then he has this one, Grange arranged an evil plan to get the masses to point their fingers at me. And blame for the same things they had MJ framed. The difference with me is that I've maintained my black complexion. I'm ready to blackout on anyone trying to white out my name.

• 40:41Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  So he's, he's a legend. He's a legend that Grange is doing some dirty work.

• 40:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but he's been saying that.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Right.

• 40:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but I like that. And then. I still don't like the lawsuit situation.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, yeah.

• 40:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Like, but I kind of get it a little bit.

• 41:00Mark Gagnon?

  But this is another example of you pointing something out that you're trying to reframe it. But it's still corny shit you're doing like.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. So what do you do in that situation? Like if you're trying to sue the label because you think the label is doing nefarious shit? But do you not do it because everybody's getting interpreted as suing Kendrick?

• 41:24Speaker 00

  That is how we all interpreted it.

• 41:26Mark Gagnon?

  Cut your losses and move on. Like he's gonna appeal and keep this thing dragging out. But I heard one theory online is like, hey, jamming them up with litigation. Now he's using this three album to get off his deal. And now if they try to hold him on the deal, it could look like prejudice because he filed the lawsuit. Like he might be using this as a strategic play to get out of his deal. I don't know. There's so many theories online about whether or not he's even still in his deal. Did he satisfy his contract?

• 42:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I saw a couple of those theories. And that some private equity company is gonna give him some crazy.

• 42:12Mark Gagnon?

  Two billion or some shit like that. Like if that happens, that's crazy.

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• 45:20Speaker 01

  But then there's also a line where he says, y'all about to make me Richie like Lionel for real. And that's the truth. Now, people have made a stretch here, but it's kind of funny. Lucian Grange has a son named Elliot. Elliot is married to Sofia Richie, Lionel Richie's daughter. So Lionel Richie is Lucian Grange's daughter-in-law. And he also makes another line where he's like, I'm the golden goose causing problems in Lucian's house. And so he's making this line like, y'all gonna make me rich like Lionel. So there's like sub illusions that he's gonna be like Lionel and get rich off of Lucian Grange. And the way that Sofia Richie got rich from being affiliated with the Grange family.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  And some people have read into it to say that he's how somehow, some way had like a tryst.

• 46:06Speaker 00

  With?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Mr. Richie. Now, this is a crazy allegation that people have tried to stretch. I don't think it's true personally, but people have tried to make the connection. That would be dirty work if that's the case. I don't think it's true, but that's what people are speculating on the interwebs.

• 46:21Speaker 00

  Can't put a box by him though. Can't put a box by him. Boys don't work.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  And he got that rep, so now if you just throw that out there, it's like.

• 46:30Speaker 00

  A little breadcrumb. Yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  He goes on to say, in reference to Jay-Z, people are assuming it's Jay-Z. I mean, he has lines about not taking the, he's like, I won't take the dinner. Give me 500,000. I can't learn anything from any of you. Damn, y'all was really island hopping back then. Now y'all got your names redacted. And it seems like he's referencing.

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Pusha T and Jay.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Pusha T and Jay-Z getting their names redacted.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  But he could just be, he could just be referencing, that's a beautiful one where it's like, if you take offense to it, it exposes more about you than it does the line. Cause he could just be talking about the dudes on the Epstein files.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:09Speaker 00

  You know, you guys were island hopping, now you got your names redacted.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's a reach. Fuck that.

• 47:14Speaker 00

  But if, if Jay.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Corniest bar on the album.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  Good thing human beings aren't biased.

• 47:22Speaker 00

  Good thing we don't have emotional connections to artists and defend them.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 47:27Speaker 00

  Whenever we can.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  It goes to DJ Mustard, Pharrell, Pusha T, LeBron, DeMar DeRozan. The Dr. Dre one I thought was great.

• 47:35Speaker 00

  Why are you coming at Dre, man?

• 47:37Speaker 01

  The bar is great.

• 47:38Speaker 00

  What's the bar?

• 47:39Speaker 01

  If Drake took out the AK, maybe he'd be going to jail just based off the name that it spells. What they say they just smelled. I heard they got a special place in hell for N-words as joking about the evil when they did it themselves.

• 47:53Mark Gagnon?

  Break this down.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  So, if Drake took out the AK. I'm sounding like the dude.

• 47:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know. Oh my god, yeah, the AK. If Drake took out the AK, it spells Dre.

• 48:05Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  So you take the AK out of Drake, it's Dre. And he's saying there's a special place in hell for people joking about the evil when they did it themselves. So he's implying, again, allegedly, I have nothing to do with this.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  If Dre's joking about Drake being with underage girls, he's like, Dr. Dre.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  And there's an allegation that Dre was dating like a 15 or 16 year old when he was like 25 or some shit. He's calling back to that, saying, you're clowning me for being into underage girls. You were on the record in a relationship, according to Drake.

• 48:36Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I didn't know about that. I know about Dre maybe getting a little handsy back in the day, but I didn't hear about.

• 48:41Speaker 00

  What do you mean by that?

• 48:43Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know. People look it up.

• 48:46Speaker 00

  What should they Google?

• 48:50Mark Gagnon?

  Dr. Dre and hands.

• 48:53Mark Gagnon?

  I said, but damn, yeah.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, but a clever bar nonetheless.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 48:58Mark Gagnon?

  We gotta talk about this Bron situation, bro.

• 49:00Speaker 00

  So what do you think? I mean, like, to me, that's the most, I always thought that was the most foul. And again, like, we're in entertainment and maybe that's something that, like, you gotta understand, like, I don't know what Bron stands to game for these things. He's already the top of the top, but like, in this game, there are people incredibly opportunistic and they will switch up on things. And people have helped them if they see that there's a better opportunity or that a person could be pulling them down. So they make these moves strategically and it's like, there's not the same loyalty you would expect amongst friends in the business. But like, I don't know, like Drake was going to his kids' fucking basketball games, bro. Like that's, if I go to your kids' basketball game.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  He had him tattooed on him, right?

• 49:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, which is a little.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  That's a little weird.

• 49:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's a little weird.

• 49:44Speaker 00

  That's a little weird.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  But still.

• 49:45Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, that's weird. You trying to turn a weird thing into a good thing.

• 49:49Speaker 00

  That is weird. That is a weird thing.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  It's LeBron, dude.

• 49:53Mark Gagnon?

  So if I tattoo you on me right now, you not gonna find that weird?

• 49:56Speaker 01

  I'm not LeBron. If I was LeBron though, I'd be like, yeah, damn right. It's LeBron, dude. And the bar is actually pretty good, I thought. I shouldn't even be shocked to see you in that arena because you always made your career off switching teams up.

• 50:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it was great.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Clever. I thought it was clever. But, I don't know, there's, and then he goes at Joe Budden, that was a funny one.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  What'd he say?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean, but it's funny, to me, their whole beef is funny because it seems like they just go back and forth all the time.

• 50:21Speaker 00

  I feel like they both low-key love each other.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, like.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  I feel like, I don't know, like I think we gotta see like one day, 20 years from now, DMs where they're like, they're kind of just both like, nah, that was a good point you made about me, or nah, that was a good bar.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do too. Cause I think their whole beef is predicated on them being with the same girls.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  Oh, I thought it was, I thought it was like some rapity rap shit, like.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe, I don't know.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  Like a love of the game and like, I think Drake wants validation from Joe because he sees him as somebody who's like a connoisseur of music. And I think Joe sees Drake as like the guy who's reached the mountaintop and also is nice at rapping. He's not just some pop star.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Right in the line is.

• 51:01Speaker 00

  You think it's just about girls?

• 51:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  I mean, this is, this is what the line is.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  That's some loser shit, bro. You guys are fucking 50 years old, fucking about pussy, like, come on, dude.

• 51:10Mark Gagnon?

  It's actually, I put it on Drake, cause like, he would get with some of, uh, Joe's exes and then just like flaunt it.

• 51:20Mark Gagnon?

  Like that, that's like Drake's motive is like, hey, I'm gonna clown you by showing I fucked one of your girls.

• 51:28Mark Gagnon?

  And it's like, it's corny shit. And that's why Button felt that it was corny shit and that's why they been beefing all the time.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  But fucking one of the girls.

• 51:35Mark Gagnon?

  They both respect each other's pen, so that's why it's like.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:39Mark Gagnon?

  It's mutual respect, but.

• 51:40Speaker 00

  It's also mutual pain. It's like when someone that you actually respect says something about you, it hurts more than someone that you don't give a fuck about.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that's what the line says. Who knows which one of his bubble shaped tings I must have ushered through the double gates, showing her the time of her life while broski having stomach aches, hearing about the good times at Lover's Lake, and send her back to you while you sleepwalking naked in another state.

• 52:00Mark Gagnon?

  That was funny. That was funny. That was funny.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  And apparently it was a line.

• 52:04Mark Gagnon?

  Drake is funny.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  As a comedian, there are bars in here that you really do appreciate.

• 52:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. But yeah, it's just, I don't know, it's a funny line. Apparently, I didn't know this, but that he had a, he told a story about sleepwalking one time naked.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  I think he got arrested or something.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Is that what it was?

• 52:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  I wasn't familiar with it.

• 52:21Mark Gagnon?

  He was like, sleepwalking, I think he like knocked on his neighbor's door.

• 52:24Speaker 00

  No way.

• 52:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  That happens. But it's a. You sleepwalking, you know? But no, I thought, I thought that whole project was fire. I like that he dropped all three. I like that it's in the charts and I think people are like, oh yeah, this is awesome. We get to witness greatness.

• 52:40Mark Gagnon?

  Stop glazing.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  I am glazing. I recognize that.

• 52:42Mark Gagnon?

  The whole project's not fire. It's a good project.

• 52:44Speaker 00

  You haven't even listened to it.

• 52:46Mark Gagnon?

  Iceman, Iceman I listened to a few times.

• 52:49Speaker 00

  And then you haven't even listened to the other ones. So how you gonna say the whole project ain't fire if you haven't even listened to it?

• 52:55Mark Gagnon?

  All the Iceman ain't fire. Like Iceman, I would say two thirds of it is good.

• 52:59Speaker 00

  That's phenomenal for an album.

• 53:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, but then you have two more albums. The Habib Titi shit is just not for me.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  You listened to it already.

• 53:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like I, I listened to like fifteen seconds of each song, just to try to get through it so I can have something to bring to today. I hate that album. Like I just don't like the slow singing shit. It's just not for me. That's for other people. The other one, I think that's actually my favorite of all of them, because it's just like fun songs.

• 53:26Speaker 00

  Made of honor?

• 53:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, while you're just like driving in the car and I think a lot more of those are gonna be playing in clubs and gonna be playing in the summertime and stuff. Like Iceman was just like, hey, I'm getting my bars off.

• 53:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm nice at this and I choose to do this other stuff where I sing.

• 53:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 53:42Speaker 00

  That's a choice. I don't gotta do it. I could give you all bars if I want.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  But I think the Made of Honor tracks are the ones that are gonna last more years.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's what we're gonna be listening to this summer.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  And then obviously, we can't play the song, but this was, this was kinda fun.

• 53:58Speaker 00

  Which one is this?

• 54:00Speaker 01

  You know.

• 54:00Speaker 00

  Is this the music video?

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 00

  Which one?

• 54:02Speaker 01

  This is the music video for Dust.

• 54:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, the boy!

• 54:07Speaker 01

  And they got Young, the Young Bull as a cop.

• 54:10Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, Shane.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  I mean, how, how fire, though.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  Nah, this is fire. And then there's kids in it.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He steals a cop car, he's riding around Toronto.

• 54:20Speaker 00

  And they got Shane in the back.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  I mean, just awesome.

• 54:26Speaker 00

  So Derek Poston went up with Shane when they went and did this? And Derek is like the biggest Drake fan.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  Like, he thinks that he's, he thinks he's the second greatest artist in history, I think.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:41Speaker 00

  And the first is like JK Rowling. And then Champagne Poppy.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:47Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 54:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So this was like, we were with Derek this weekend in Salt Lake and like, the first thing he said when he sat down, just like, "Tell me how many Drake stories you want to know."

• 54:58Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, can you share anything, anything?

• 55:00Speaker 00

  Of course not.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  No, of course not.

• 55:02Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, man.

• 55:03Speaker 00

  It's one of secrecy.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  But it was just cool, it was just cool with Shane that Shane gets this opportunity to go up to Toronto to do this. And he's like, "I'm bringing Derek."

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Like Derek is gonna appreciate this more than anyone I know.

• 55:13Mark Gagnon?

  That's awesome. That's awesome.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Which is so cool.

• 55:16Mark Gagnon?

  Well, I didn't see this full video, like, is Drake in the video at all? I'm sure he was on set while they were making it, but...

• 55:21Speaker 01

  I think he came on set at the end.

• 55:23Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  But I don't think he's in the video.

• 55:25Mark Gagnon?

  Got it.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  It's crazy they put out a video for all the songs.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 55:30Speaker 00

  Like...

• 55:31Mark Gagnon?

  But then it's easy if he's not even in the video, then you could just like, hire people to do all this stuff.

• 55:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, but still to do that, like, that's a big undertaking to do a music video for one song. To do, is it every song on all three albums or just every song on Iceman?

• 55:46Speaker 01

  I think just Iceman, but I don't know.

• 55:47Mark Gagnon?

  Still, that's crazy.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  And then the White House got involved, like, apparently Trump posted an edit, some Iceman shit.

• 55:53Mark Gagnon?

  I'm sure he hates this.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  He put out the Iceman, but it's ice.

• 55:59Mark Gagnon?

  I'm sure he hates this.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Come on, bro. They're rounding up Canadians right now. Come on, dude.

• 56:07Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  You can't be deporting Canadians to Iceman.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  And then there was a, there was another one, like I think like just the White House posted like,

• 56:18Speaker 01

  yeah, that one. Yeah, iced out, white, from the official White House.

• 56:22Speaker 00

  Nah, nah.

• 56:23Mark Gagnon?

  You could tell, it's just some 25 year old Drake fan that's running his account.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Kind of a fun job.

• 56:30Mark Gagnon?

  From all the shit that they post, like now you just know, it's just some 20 something year old.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 56:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 03

  No, I think it's a team. And then there's just one guy that's like, yeah, this is what's hot right now, post it.

• 56:40Speaker 00

  I think you might be overestimating.

• 56:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know.

• 56:43Speaker 00

  I don't think that one organized. I think it's one kid who's fucking 19 years old, just sitting in the White House all day scrolling Instagram.

• 56:49Mark Gagnon?

  Cause if it was a team, they wouldn't have let all this shit slip that did slip.

• 56:53Speaker 03

  Fair. I don't mean a team of like highly trained professional. I think it's a bunch of 19 year olds that are all in different, in different things.

• 57:01Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Just sending shit to the main guy.

• 57:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 00

  Could be.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Anyway, I think people have gotten all of our rap takes for the day.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  And any, any final thoughts?

• 57:09Speaker 00

  Drake's back, man.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Also, how's the hater?

• 57:12Mark Gagnon?

  I just, I gave it up to him. I said it's great.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  I'm a Drake glazer and you said you listened to the first 15 seconds of.

• 57:19Mark Gagnon?

  The B T shit, yeah.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  That's 7% of the album.

• 57:23Mark Gagnon?

  Bro.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  And you made a.

• 57:24Mark Gagnon?

  It almost put me to sleep.

• 57:26Speaker 03

  An admonishment at 7%.

• 57:28Mark Gagnon?

  You liked the slow one?

• 57:30Speaker 03

  I liked it all. I listened. I had a bunch of flights this weekend and just had a great time flying and listening.

• 57:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I mean, it's not for everybody. At least I give it up. I liked the Ice Man shit and I liked the other one.

• 57:41Speaker 00

  What else we got, Mark?

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Miles, great contribution. And speaking of Miles, Chud the Builder got arrested.

• 57:46Mark Gagnon?

  Hey, hey, hey.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  What?

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  What? It's a good segue.

• 57:51Mark Gagnon?

  That's a perfect segue.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  You guys have similar mustaches?

• 57:54Speaker 00

  Yo, Chud the Builder.

• 57:56Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck this guy.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  So this guy, Chud the Builder was going viral, if you haven't seen it, by.

• 58:01Speaker 00

  Chud the Builder saw the rose and Kevin Hart was like, hold my beer. Let me show y'all how to be racist, racist. What, what is this guy's MO? But this is.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  He's a streamer. I'll, I can play some of the clips.

• 58:14Mark Gagnon?

  I thought you was about to play some of it.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  I don't even know what we can play. If this is gonna get us demonetized, we might have to bleep some of this. But basically, he, from my understanding, I'm not a, I'm not an avid Shad the Builder follower. I've only kinda heard about him since the story broke.

• 58:25Mark Gagnon?

  That's not even a play clip.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  He will go around and basically antagonize black people, is what it seems like. Maybe I'm not giving a charitable read, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

• 58:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  But he'll go around and be like, y'all believe in free speech? And the black people are like, yeah. And he's like, so it's cool if white people say the N-word? And then he'll just say it hard R.

• 58:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  And then they get in a confrontation. And then if they try to fight him, he'll mace them. And then if it goes any further than that, he also has a gun on them. And then he's basically like, yo, free speech, you know, we live in America, you guys are Americans. And that's the whole stream.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  So we've reached the end of the internet. Is this the logical conclusion? If you game out the internet and you just let people do whatever the fuck they want, they'll do anything to get attention? And then this is the worst possible thing that you can do to get attention?

• 59:12Mark Gagnon?

  Interesting, oh, that's your take on it.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I just assume that this is like the logical conclusion to like, if you don't have, this is the difference between like attention and like art. Let's just call it, I mean, and we can be very loose with art. I think there are streamers that do things that are artistic. Like, they're choosing to do more than just like whatever is the most, you know, salacious thing you could possibly say. Like, I think you saw Kai do a lot when he's building out these sets, like, there's a bunch of.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  I would even say speed.

• 59:38Speaker 00

  Speed, absolutely.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Going around all these places, like creating these moments in all these like countries that are maybe more obscure.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  Absolutely, 100%. I would even say like, I, I've been watching non-stop clips of, you know, Adrian Broner and Dean the Great. I don't know if you've been seeing them.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:54Speaker 00

  But they, you know who, Adrian Broner, that's the boxer, of course. And then there's a streamer, Dean the Great, who I think also had like a, maybe a boxing career. Anyway, they've been hanging out and like, I just see clips online. But like, they're just hilarious together, they're making fun of each other, they're making fun, like, they're scaring the hoes. Like, it's just like, Adrian Broner, I mean, I really hope that he does not have a drinking problem, like it looks like he does in the streams, but he is an all-time hilarious individual. He was hilarious during press conferences when he was a champion, he's still hilarious. Anyway, I'm not saying this is like high arts, but there is like a goal of intended humor for it, and it looks fun.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  But like if you're not capable of generating attention based on some form of skill, you'll do it based on pure shock and this is the worst of the worst.

• 1:00:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, so you don't feel Chud the Builder is a civil rights activist as people online are saying? A free, free speech, you know, proponent.

• 1:00:56Speaker 00

  Are you, I mean, like, what's the, what are the limits to free speech in terms of like antagonistic behavior?

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  Well, that's my issue with this, like, free speech is a, I think we've talked about this before, but it's like a legal precedent that the government can't put you in prison for something that you say.

• 1:01:10Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  So it's not illegal to say the N-word to a group of black people.

• 1:01:13Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  You know, like, I don't, like, I'd maybe in a certain circumstance, potentially it could be, depending on like where you're at and like the nature of it, but like you can say the word and not get arrested.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  And that is what freedom of speech is.

• 1:01:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  But to me, this is like, hey, I can disrespect you and then you aren't going to do anything about it, right? Because you believe in freedom of speech.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, which is bullshit.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  And it's like, nah, like, you don't have to say the N-word to them. You could just go up to any group of dudes and be like, y'all are bitches. And they would try to fight you. And you wouldn't be like, oh, this is-

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Oh, you guys don't believe in free speech?

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like, no, you're disrespecting me and now there's going to be consequences for disrespect.

• 1:01:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Is how people would react.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't even know if we have freedom, I mean, we do have, I imagine, freedom to antagonize, but I don't know if anybody is like fighting for it. And that's what this feels more like. You know, freedom to disrespect, freedom to antagonize, freedom to like make people feel incredible amounts of discomfort. And like if he walked up to them, he was having a discussion about freedom of speech.

• 1:02:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  Right? Where he was like, well, what about this word? And how would you feel about people saying that word? And then some people saying like, I hate that word, but like, I understand you shouldn't be arrested for saying it. I don't think he gets any pushback, right? They're having a discussion.

• 1:02:24Mark Gagnon?

  Wouldn't get any clicks or streams.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  But really getting clicks, and the goal is not freedom of speech. The goal is attention and a person who just doesn't have the ability to get attention through any other means besides the lowest common denominator.

• 1:02:35Mark Gagnon?

  It's hard for me to check my bias on this, like, I really despise this guy and people like this. And- What bothers me so much is that he just like came out of nowhere and now everybody knows his name and they're probably using all the bot farms and the clippers to make him bigger. And this is just going to motivate more people to do this type of action because like hey, this is the quickest way to get on now.

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  But I wonder if it does. Like I wonder if seeing, you know, he's got.

• 1:03:04Mark Gagnon?

  I already see it happening. There's more people like, oh, okay, it's, it's, it's up. We can just say anywhere. We can just do whatever.

• 1:03:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:11Mark Gagnon?

  Because it's a slow roll with people like Nick Fuentes because he says it all the time on his stream.

• 1:03:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:16Mark Gagnon?

  And now it leads to this. And I really hope, the only thing I dislike about this is that he shot himself and missed.

• 1:03:25Speaker 00

  Well, he did hit himself, right?

• 1:03:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but he missed.

• 1:03:28Speaker 00

  He missed?

• 1:03:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. That's the only bad thing about this.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Which, yeah. I mean, this is pedantic, but like, white dude saying the N-word is more popular now on Twitter. But he's directly saying it to black people, which is like another level of antagonism and disrespect.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  Because you can't get enough attention just saying it.

• 1:03:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Now is, now we're desensitized to white boys just saying it, right? Like you see all the streamers kind of like, not all, but a lot of these streamers just throwing it out there. So now, since we're desensitized to that, what's the next iteration of it? How much crazier can I get so I can get the attention I'm a doctor?

• 1:04:03Mark Gagnon?

  First, it was a Kendrick concert.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  It was Nick Fuentes.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  Kendrick, open the door. Kendrick concert walk, so Nick Fuentes could run.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  So he gets in this thing. It's difficult to know exactly what happened, but I think the context is kind of clear. So like, he's outside of a courthouse in Tennessee. He has a confrontation with a black dude who happens to be a veteran. And it appears that this guy takes his gun out before the altercation takes place and then he shoots him and then also grazes himself in the confrontation. And he's claiming that he acted in self-defense. And now he's currently being charged with attempted murder, employing a firearm during a dangerous felony, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon. His bail is set at 1.25 million.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  Can you act in self-defense if your goal is to antagonize?

• 1:04:51Mark Gagnon?

  I don't believe so, but.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  And that's why the judge was like, we're setting the bail super high and we didn't think that you were.

• 1:04:57Mark Gagnon?

  The only problem is I don't know if he started this one. That's what both sides are claiming. They're claiming that the black guy came out of nowhere.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Because now he's popular enough on the internet that people see him. And so some of his streams, you'll see him walking around and people are just like, yo, fuck you.

• 1:05:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  And then he immediately fires back with the N-word or some other type of racial slur.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  There's an interesting thing going on where it's like, um, we pretend that like words don't have meaning. Right? Like that they don't hold meaning outside of like the dictionary definition of what they are. And like I saw an interesting debate or at least a clip of the debate. So I'm not giving full context, but it was between Ak and Sneko. And, uh, I think Sneko was taking the position of like, it's just a word and people should be able to say the word. And then Ak was like, all right, well, let's say something about Allah.

• 1:05:40Mark Gagnon?

  Shout out, shout out to Ak. He cooked them on that.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  And it was like, it was a great point because what, what he was presenting is like, hey, that word means more to you. It's not just a sound. It has a meaning and you will not use it in a negative way. Which I think most people understand. They're like, this means so much to you and we're not going to disgrace that person. And there are people that do do it and they do try to disgrace it and they know what they're doing when they're doing it. Right? But like, you can't sit here and be like, that word has no meaning. It's just a sound. And then when there's something important to you and someone tries to disgrace it or ask you to do it, you refuse to do it. So now you acknowledge that these words do have different meaning and to black people, this word means a lot, especially when non-black people say it.

• 1:06:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  So it might not mean anything to you, but if it was just like Allah, it might not mean anything to you, but it means to somebody else. And you might have to deal with that response.

• 1:06:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Now, should you be able?

• 1:06:31Mark Gagnon?

  In my group chat, when I said, I mean, in my DMs, when I said something on this pod that they didn't like.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  Well, but, but now should the government be able to punish you if you say that in America where there's freedom of speech? No.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  Like, should you be able to speak negatively? Or should you be able to say these words according to the government rules of freedom of speech? Yes, they shouldn't put you in jail for that. But that doesn't mean that someone can't be pissed off by it. It's like what Charlemagne says all the time. It's like, you have the right to freedom of speech. You are free to say whatever you want, but you're not freedom from the repercussions that another person might have. Like, you have the right to say whatever you want about my kids. I'm gonna react away if you're talking crazy about my kids. Like, yes, my kids just have names and they're just sounds or whatever. But it's like, they have a very different meaning to me and you saying these things.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  And people wouldn't be like, oh, you're so emotional for reacting that way.

• 1:07:21Speaker 00

  It's like, yeah, I'm emotional. And people get emotional about certain things.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 00

  You know, whether or not the government should be able to restrict your ability to talk about my kids? I would say like, no, you have the legal right to do it. But then I'm gonna react emotionally about it, I'm sure.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Speaker 00

  And you have to decide if that's worth it to you.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 1:11:23Mark Gagnon?

  And there's another thing that bothers me, and I know people, whatever, I don't give a fuck. Like, people say, hey, uh, black people are always victims, and they just like, we're, we milk the fact that they're just like racism. And they think that we're post-racist society, since Obama and shit like that. But then you have a guy that does this type of stuff, then puts up a GoFundMe, and people are donating, and he just raised 1.2 million dollars. Like, that is-

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  He raised that much?

• 1:11:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  I don't think it was that much.

• 1:11:55Mark Gagnon?

  Look at, look at it right now. It's, oh, no, I'm sorry, sorry. Maybe, um-

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  I thought it was like 90,000 or something like that.

• 1:12:01Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no. He hit enough to get the bond. The, uh, the bond was 1.2 mil, but you have to hit 10% of that so you can pay the bail bond.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think he raised 200,000.

• 1:12:10Mark Gagnon?

  200,000. But even that, imagine.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 1:12:13Mark Gagnon?

  That is that many people willing to support this guy who's doing, obviously racist behavior, and then you try to tell black people that, oh, racism's done. Get over it. Like, that shit is, it just sucks.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:28Mark Gagnon?

  To know that.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. But that exists, that there are people out there that...

• 1:12:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, that they, I don't even know what you're supporting right there. Like, you want to be able to say the N-word to black people? Is that what the people are supporting? Like, what is the-

• 1:12:43Mark Gagnon?

  They're supporting his actions. All the shit that he does, they're supporting his actions. They want him free. They want him back on the street to be able to conduct himself that way.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  I mean, he calls himself like a free speech warrior. That's how he, so he frames himself. And I think that the most charitable interpretation, of course, I think there's a massive contingent of people that are just racist and don't like black people and are willing to support this. But I, I wonder if the most charitable interpretation is like, because I've heard people even kind of like, sort of flirt this on X where they're like- White people get called emotional all the time, but we say one word about black people and everyone and now they're trying to fight. And that's like what they'll try to say and they're like, this guy's just pushing the limits of free speech and he's illustrating that you are allowed to say things and you don't have to react negatively. And I don't think that's a great defense because it's like, no, if you disrespect someone, they can check you. And that's like very reasonable in the context and the setting you gave like with your kids like, yeah,

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  you disrespect someone, you might get slapped.

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're not robots. This is not chat GPT. We're like emotional beings and like sometimes we'll have irrational responses to things that we're very emotional about. You know what I mean? Like it's about to get very irrational in New York in the next week. We're in the Eastern Conference Finals. If you want to talk about irrational behavior from people who are saying, go outside of Madison Square Garden after a Knicks victory or a Knicks loss. And you will see how emotional we will get about this team that we care about. Have we met any of these people on this team? No. Do we have any connectivity to the people on the team? No, but this means a lot to us and we're gonna go fucking crazy. There're gonna be guys right outside MSG saying they'll suck dick for a Knicks champion. And they're gonna say it on film and it's gonna be posted by side talk and they believe it.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  He gotta be from Jersey, but I still.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Recognize the love, but nah, he's not a New Yorker.

• 1:14:29Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying? But yeah, it's like we get emotional about things. That's why I always say like even with jokes is like you can't be upset at someone's reaction. Like we should be able to say jokes, but if people are upset at the joke, then you have to understand that they're upset at the joke. And in this circumstance, the huge difference I would say is that we are not saying it to the person specifically to irritate, antagonize and hurt their feelings. And that is not the goal of the joke. The goal of the joke is humor for everybody at that show to laugh. But if somebody doesn't find it funny, you gotta let them not find it funny. And like when the comics do the whole thing where they're like trying to bully them into a specific reaction is like, that's just not how comedy works. You don't bully someone until they laugh at you.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  Now if someone like heckles and tries to ruin the show, that's where I'm like, now you're doing the wrong thing.

• 1:15:10Speaker 00

  Now you've made me emotional. And I get to react emotionally.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  You say a joke to someone and you're at a show, someone doesn't respond well and they just privately leave.

• 1:15:17Speaker 00

  That is the best. You reward that behavior.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:20Speaker 00

  You reward, or if they're just not laughing, whatever that, you reward that behavior because what they're not doing is making about themselves. They're just going, I'm not going to interrupt the show. Other people are liking this. I don't like it.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Not for me.

• 1:15:30Speaker 00

  Not, it's not for me, but that's fine.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:32Speaker 00

  I, I like applaud that shit.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:34Speaker 00

  If you're stopping the show and trying to do all this, it's like what you're doing is you're making this moment more about you than all these other people that paid fucking a lot of money to go see a show, got a babysitter, came out that night. You're ruining their issue for something that you feel.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  You make a joke about cancer and it's like, oh, this person in the front row just lost someone to cancer two days ago.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  Why are they gonna be laughing?

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  They're gonna react emotionally and then they leave and it's like, yeah, I, I didn't mean to do that to you, but if it hits you in a weird way, like I totally get it and.

• 1:16:03Speaker 00

  It was not my intention to hurt your feelings.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. And if it hits you in a weird way, I understand. You can just step out.

• 1:16:07Speaker 00

  It's his intention to make people feel uncomfortable and that's why he carries a gun.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:13Speaker 00

  Comics aren't carrying a gun on stage, right?

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Speaker 00

  This is possible, but you know what I mean? Like, cause the intention is pure.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Speaker 00

  Right? The intention and also like, you know, usually going to a show more or less the type of comedy that you're gonna get. You know, but if you gotta carry pepper spray and a gun, you're probably doing shit you know that people are gonna react poorly to and that poor reaction is exactly what you want.

• 1:16:34Mark Gagnon?

  So I'm following this case cause oh man, if he beats this, if he gets off, like this is gonna be bad.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Now, apparently there is a, a phone call that got out from prison of him pleading allegedly, I don't know if this is AI, I don't think that it is, but pleading to Aiden Ross to post bail and that he's willing to fight.

• 1:16:54Speaker 00

  What does that mean, willing to fight?

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  This is a 40 second clip. This is what he says.

• 1:16:57Speaker 07

  Dalton, if you can give me out, help with the bond, I cannot access my funds until I get out of here because no one has access to any of my gifts and go or my crypto wallets, et cetera. I have to get out of here so that I can get verification processes to get into all of these funds. I will fight for free. If you can help me out to post bail, I will fight for free. I will do whatever it is.

• 1:17:23Speaker 00

  Oh, fight on his boxing.

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, brand risk.

• 1:17:26Speaker 07

  I need somebody with big money who can throw down, who can support me.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  And Aiden has publicly rejected the request to pay the, the bond.

• 1:17:35Speaker 00

  I mean.

• 1:17:36Mark Gagnon?

  Smart.

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  Fight, fight Francis Nganu. I don't think anybody would object to you posting bond for that, right?

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  I mean, there's already been fighters that have called him out.

• 1:17:48Mark Gagnon?

  Still don't post, still don't post.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  There's been a few fighters that have called him out and they're like, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll fight you. Like, let's, we can put the money up, I'll put up this amount of money. If you win, you can get it. And if you, I don't even want money from you. Like, let's just go fight. I've seen a few different fighters put that up.

• 1:18:05Speaker 00

  I mean, I don't even, don't even give more attention.

• 1:18:07Mark Gagnon?

  I want a few of those lifers in jail to just have their way with his asshole.

• 1:18:12Speaker 00

  Oh, there's gonna be?

• 1:18:13Mark Gagnon?

  That's, that's what.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Now, people have also found these images and they're suggesting this is him. I haven't confirmed that it's him.

• 1:18:18Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  But people are suggesting that maybe he did have some type of alternate life online, allegedly.

• 1:18:23Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow, just a troubled soul.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  But yeah, that's that one. Anyway, more feelings, no facts?

• 1:18:32Speaker 00

  Let's do it.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  I mean, in streamer news, do you see Clav get mugged by the judge?

• 1:18:40Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  This is very funny. People were just like pointing this out, but basically people are like, at his hearing, it seems like everyone that's surrounding Clavicular is hot. And people are like, people are like, they just found like the hottest judge they can get.

• 1:18:53Speaker 05

  Firing a gun in the Everglades during a live stream, they have now pleaded no contest to the charges. Andrew Morades, known online as Cuban Tarzan and Brad Pitt, who goes by Clavicular, were each charged with unlawful discharge.

• 1:19:06Speaker 01

  And people are like, look at this guy.

• 1:19:07Speaker 00

  Peace.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Bang.

• 1:19:09Mark Gagnon?

  Bro.

• 1:19:09Speaker 00

  Peace.

• 1:19:10Mark Gagnon?

  Look like he did a little jaw break in this guy. The judges.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  And people pointed out like, he did an interview, I forget with which news agency, but like the guy that interviewed him was handsome. Like, everyone that's around Clavicular is handsome and they're like, oh, they're just pulling out hot people to like, check him. Like, that's what everyone's saying, they're like.

• 1:19:25Speaker 00

  To check him in what way?

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Like, if you're gonna get a judge, you need to have the hottest judge because according to his own bylaws, being hot is the only thing that matters. So if you bring the hottest person out, then he's just gonna be like, damn.

• 1:19:36Speaker 00

  Guilty.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Kind of funny. Did you see the Cars for Kids thing?

• 1:19:43Speaker 00

  Dude, this is the funniest shit in the entire world. You know Cars for Kids?

• 1:19:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:47Speaker 00

  Did you hear this story?

• 1:19:48Mark Gagnon?

  I did, but I heard this was, it's been a thing for a minute. I'm surprised it's popping up now.

• 1:19:52Speaker 00

  But we just found out about it?

• 1:19:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  So, the New York Times just ran a story that says, Judge bars Cars for Kids from broadcasting misleading ads in California. For context, can you explain what Cars for Kids?

• 1:20:02Speaker 00

  1-877-CARS-FOR-KIDS. 1-877-CARS-FOR-KIDS. 1-877-CARS-FOR-KIDS. Send your kid to Tel Aviv.

• 1:20:15Speaker 00

  I thought that was the end of the song. We just never got to the end of the song.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  I think it was specifically a Northeast thing, because I don't really remember in Florida.

• 1:20:21Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really?

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Speaker 00

  This was...

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  I think it was up here.

• 1:20:23Speaker 00

  There's a few jingles we remember. Salino and Barnes. Injury attorneys. 1-800-888-8888. I think that was a lot more age than needed.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, what does that have to do with Israel?

• 1:20:38Speaker 00

  Those are the two non-Jewish attorneys in New York. They had to write a song about it.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  So, according to this article from New York Times, it says, "Evidence presented in civil trials showed that the children, especially needy or underprivileged children, were not the exclusive recipients of the proceeds of the donated cars."

• 1:20:52Speaker 00

  The idea we all thought was you donate your old car, that money goes to underprivileged kids. Right? And then you got some sort of voucher or something for it, or you got like a tax write-off or whatever. But that was what we all assumed it was. I didn't really know anybody with a car growing up that could donate it. Like, I grew up in New York. You don't have a car you could give away.

• 1:21:13Mark Gagnon?

  My dumb ass didn't even know they were selling the cars for money. I thought you were just giving the cars to poor people.

• 1:21:18Speaker 00

  Son, I thought that too. I thought, son, there was a part where it was like, but what would the kids do with a car? Like, I just didn't understand this from the jump.

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  Your little gourmand couldn't handle it.

• 1:21:31Speaker 00

  My gourmand couldn't handle it.

• 1:21:32Mark Gagnon?

  I thought it was just a family.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  You deserve it, bro. All y'all deserve it, dude.

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  Cars for Kids, I didn't get it. I was like, what is this? But I assumed they would do something with the car, sell it for parts or whatever.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  They did, that's exactly what they did.

• 1:21:44Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  That's basically it. So, according to New York Times, Cars for Kids primarily funds New Jersey-based Jewish organization URA, which provides programs including an adult matchmaking service, trips to Israel for teens, and summer camps in New York. So yeah.

• 1:21:59Speaker 00

  So, so now what they'll say is like, if you go to the website, that it clearly shows what it is. But I think what the lawsuit is alleging is that like you're, you're not promoting it this way in the commercial. It just looks like this karma is going to kids, but like.

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  Well, the commercials like a lot of black kids.

• 1:22:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know. It's very diverse.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  A lot of white kids.

• 1:22:17Speaker 00

  It's the white kid who's playing guitar, but he's not even playing it. Like then you even get actual kids that can play the instruments.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Now, it says in the article, "Ura also spent money overseas," the judge wrote, "including a $16.5 million to buy a building in Israel."

• 1:22:30Speaker 00

  Jesus. They, they Black Lives Matter in it?

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:33Speaker 00

  They turned it into a real estate venture.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  See, but they, that was a fucking two decade run right there.

• 1:22:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, they had a nice run.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  They're nice in it.

• 1:22:40Speaker 00

  Fuck that up quick.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, we have.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  You need a better jingle. You guys are usually good at that.

• 1:22:45Speaker 00

  Wow. You're right.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  This is, this is the commercial you're referencing right here.

• 1:22:50Speaker 00

  Bro.

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  I don't even know if we can play that.

• 1:22:58Speaker 00

  Song still slaps, bro.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  But none of these kids are, are.

• 1:23:02Speaker 00

  The nature car today. Listen, they should have stopped this commercial October 8th.

• 1:23:10Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? They should, you can't, they, they should have known that this was gonna come back.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but nobody knew. Just keep the, keep it going until.

• 1:23:18Speaker 00

  That is a good point.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Speaker 00

  That is a good point.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  You don't, you don't stop the Ponzi scheme. You stop it when you get caught.

• 1:23:25Speaker 00

  Well, it's not, I guess the issue is not a Ponzi scheme, but the issue is that it's going to just Jewish kids or Jewish adults that wanna take trips to Israel. And we all thought it was just underprivileged kids getting their first car.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Now, the mascot is apparently a stack of cash named Fivey or Fiveish.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  No way. Can we just zoom out of the antisemitism that's currently happening in our culture?

• 1:23:50Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Because we should take a moment to acknowledge that racism still exists, right?

• 1:23:54Speaker 00

  Racism still exists. There's a lot of people that hate Jews.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  And black people.

• 1:23:58Speaker 00

  And horrible and black people.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  And white people.

• 1:24:00Speaker 00

  And there are people that hate white people. No one really seems to care about that, but it's all good.

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  We should start our own charity.

• 1:24:05Speaker 00

  We need it. Yeah.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, we had cars, kids, collective.

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  A very funny.

• 1:24:13Mark Gagnon?

  Picture, right?

• 1:24:14Speaker 00

  Why did you stop it right here? Why did you pause right here?

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Well, just the image in and of itself is a South Park sketch, I think. Like, it just is a thing that you're like-

• 1:24:23Speaker 00

  This is crazy.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  I mean, like, how do they-

• 1:24:25Speaker 00

  If you're listening to this pod right now, please go get the video.

• 1:24:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:29Speaker 00

  This is insanity.

• 1:24:30Mark Gagnon?

  No way.

• 1:24:32Speaker 00

  This is true insanity.

• 1:24:35Speaker 00

  Oh, they're not trying to stuff the mascot in their pockets?

• 1:24:40Mark Gagnon?

  I was probably not fighting over it.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  This is a father reading the Torah with a son.

• 1:24:46Mark Gagnon?

  What is this? Is this a sketch?

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  No, this is posted by the official URA page, which is a great nonprofit that helps Jewish youth in New York. And they're also some of the main beneficiaries of Cars for Kids.

• 1:25:00Speaker 00

  So, I guess the criticism of, the criticism of this would be-

• 1:25:04Mark Gagnon?

  This is awesome.

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  If they were clear about where the money would go, maybe they wouldn't get as many donations. Therefore, they were unclear about where the money went so that they could maximize. I think that's what the judge is essentially alleging in the case, right?

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and specifically just that they can't advertise in California.

• 1:25:19Speaker 00

  Because they're not, the money is not going to kids that could benefit from it in California.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  I think they're saying it's false advertising.

• 1:25:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:25:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:26Speaker 00

  But I think that false advertising comes from the fact that it's misleading, not only misleading about being in California, but misleading about where the money is going to in general.

• 1:25:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:25:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Yep. I mean, pretty wild. In a vacuum, quite funny.

• 1:25:40Speaker 00

  Now, outside of what's happening in the world right now, if this, like, let's say 10 years ago, we saw this and this popped up, we would be dying fucking laughing. There would be an episode of Curb Enthusiasm about it. Like, Larry would find out his car was going to-

• 1:25:54Mark Gagnon?

  This shit is hilarious.

• 1:25:55Speaker 00

  It is.

• 1:25:56Mark Gagnon?

  First thing, I'm like, yo, good run, man. Like, gotta give it up.

• 1:26:00Speaker 00

  Tell me 10 years ago, this isn't an episode of Curb. Larry finds out, he's donating the car, he thinks it's going to this, like, local youth or whatever like that. He tells JB Smoove's character, "Yeah, I'm donating my car so that underprivileged kids can get the car." JB Smoove goes, "Larry, you know that, you know those cars don't go to kids?" What the hell they go for? They just send an adult to Israel. And then Larry goes, yeah, well, hold on. That's an episode of Kurt.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  Larry tries to get his car back?

• 1:26:26Speaker 00

  He tries to get his car back.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  I need my Prius.

• 1:26:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  And they're like, we don't have your Prius. He's like, come on. I know what you guys are doing. Come on, come on. He goes, well, we're helping kids. Don't you want to help kids, you know? And he's like, give me the car.

• 1:26:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  I mean, all time.

• 1:26:41Mark Gagnon?

  Guy made all Volkswagens.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Did you see the, oh dude, that's funny. That is funny that so many car manufacturers are anti Semitic.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. The majority.

• 1:26:53Speaker 00

  I don't know if there's one that isn't.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Toyota, no, no.

• 1:26:56Speaker 00

  Toyota, Toyota linked up with, with the Nazis.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:02Speaker 00

  Ford.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:04Speaker 00

  Ford was American, but he was not about it.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  They always get their get back, dude. That's smart. They're like, yeah, you can make some anti Semitic cars, but watch what we do. That's kind of impressive.

• 1:27:14Speaker 00

  That was a good move. Long game.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Are you gonna buy the AP Swatch collab?

• 1:27:19Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:27:21Speaker 00

  Please do not show me video of people fighting over this fucking collab.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  You're not gonna camp out for the AP Swatch collab?

• 1:27:26Speaker 00

  Do not show me a video that Chud the Builder masturbates to.

• 1:27:31Mark Gagnon?

  Put me onto this, because I don't, I didn't hear about this.

• 1:27:34Speaker 00

  Oh God, please do not tell me that there is a fight over an AP Swatch collab.

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  You've heard of AP?

• 1:27:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  You've heard of Swatch?

• 1:27:41Mark Gagnon?

  And I know, yeah, both brands. So they're doing a collab.

• 1:27:44Speaker 03

  Great. Swatch has been doing collabs with, with bigger brands because they own them. So they did like a Moon Watch from Omega, and then they did an AP Watch. But they never announced what the AP Watch is gonna look like. But AP obviously is a big brand and there's gonna be a limited amount. So people started waiting outside the store for the AP Swatch collab seven days ahead of time, eight days ahead of time. Like in New York and Miami and the big cities where the, the drop was. And they never announced what it actually looked like. And there was a lot of like AI renderings that was tricking people into thinking it's gonna be like some real heat, fire, gas. And.

• 1:28:18Mark Gagnon?

  If these are real, like, they actually look kind of fire.

• 1:28:21Speaker 03

  No, they're cool, but it's a stopwatch and people thought it was gonna be a wristwatch. It's a pocket watch.

• 1:28:27Mark Gagnon?

  Got it.

• 1:28:27Speaker 03

  But now they're selling mods to turn it into a wristwatch. Yes. So you can buy like a 3D printed like mod to make it back into the thing that people thought it was gonna be originally.

• 1:28:37Mark Gagnon?

  God.

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. But it was never gonna be a wristwatch. It was always gonna be a pocket watch.

• 1:28:40Mark Gagnon?

  I don't understand. Well, I guess I understand the hype, but like. China is gonna just copy this shit in like a week.

• 1:28:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:48Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, that's the easiest thing to recreate. It's all colorful, it's plastic, it's like.

• 1:28:54Speaker 00

  I mean, you could recreate any watch now.

• 1:28:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but don't they have like the fake myth watchbusters, those type of.

• 1:29:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like you, I mean, the mechanics you might not be able to recreate, like if you're actually opening up the watch and like seeing what's inside, but if you're just running it with like a shitty little battery.

• 1:29:12Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, there's entire like rep watch sites where like you spend like a thousand dollars.

• 1:29:16Speaker 00

  They're expensive still.

• 1:29:18Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:29:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, but they're not fifty thousand dollar watches and you're not limited in your access to them, which is like what makes these things so expensive. I mean, that's probably why AP, this AP like Swatch collab is popping because it just gives people, one who would never have the access to get an AP or never be able to afford it, the ability to hold that luxury.

• 1:29:39Mark Gagnon?

  How much do these go for?

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  I think like five hundred.

• 1:29:41Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really? Okay, that's smart.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  And then they're immediately reselling for like two grand.

• 1:29:45Speaker 00

  That's also the hustle, which is like.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll stand in line, I'll get a five hundred dollar watch and flip it.

• 1:29:50Speaker 00

  Fifteen hundred dollars in a day you make.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  Most people are just trying to like flip these watches now.

• 1:29:54Speaker 03

  And the Omega collab was like incredibly successful with Swatch. They made moon watches, but based on the different planets and it was pretty successful and they're cool and they're like a fun wear.

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  Shout out Swatch, man.

• 1:30:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's smart.

• 1:30:07Speaker 00

  Swatch as a brand is kind of brilliant, right? Because like the whole watch thing is built around scarcity for the most part, like people pretend like they care about the mechanisms and like, I got a buddy who like, he cares about it, but like, I also think he just looks at it as like a, like an asset that's gonna go up in value. But Swatch has never sold expensive watches.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  They're pretty accessible.

• 1:30:29Speaker 00

  They're accessible, but so they've relied on specifically being cool in a business where cool is dependent on scarcity. And they've lasted just as long as all these other watch brands.

• 1:30:43Mark Gagnon?

  It's interesting. I don't know how. And that's like the store like you just see at the mall that you've always just passed by like.

• 1:30:48Speaker 00

  But it doesn't feel cheap for some reason.

• 1:30:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:51Speaker 00

  Like I'm more impressed with Swatch than I am Rolex or AP or any of those because Rolex, AP, they could just charge an insane amount and never let you have it and people are gonna want to get their hands on it. Anybody can get a Swatch and it's still cool.

• 1:31:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Speaker 00

  And they still can pull AP into a collab. It doesn't help AP.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  That's what I don't get. I don't get why I.

• 1:31:14Mark Gagnon?

  No, it does help.

• 1:31:15Speaker 00

  I think there is a relevance to it, of course, and like.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  I think also these luxury brands are reaching the top of who they can sell to.

• 1:31:21Speaker 00

  I think that.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  You've seen it with a bunch of different luxury brands, whether it's like Bentley, Rolls Royce. Or like AP, whatever. It's like, okay, we've sold everyone.

• 1:31:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  So now do we come out with a lower level product? Well, that's going to devalue our main product. But if we do a little collab on the side, then we can open it up to a new market without necessarily devaluing our main asset.

• 1:31:40Speaker 00

  We can't sell shit cheaper. But what we can do is get a whole new group of young people addicted to the feeling of having a prestigious watch.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:31:50Speaker 00

  It's kind of a brilliant collab, bro.

• 1:31:54Mark Gagnon?

  It's like give them the crack for free. And now they understand the watch game and now when they, some of them are going to get money.

• 1:32:00Speaker 00

  You're right.

• 1:32:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:01Speaker 00

  And now maybe they choose an AP instead of a Rolex.

• 1:32:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Speaker 00

  They choose an AP instead of a, what's the other one?

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:32:09Speaker 00

  Patek Philippe.

• 1:32:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Swatch is also so smart. They own a huge, I think they're like the biggest watch brand in the world. If I'm not mistaken, they own Omega, all that. And they use their, they use their own brands first to do these collabs.

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  That's smart.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  And make this like really cool, plastic Omega. And it was such a hot success that now the like local or like family owned brands, Rolex, I think AP's, that and a couple others are like maybe going to come talking to Swatch. It's a great lab reach out.

• 1:32:41Speaker 00

  That's the thing, like I'm more impressed with the CEO of fucking Zara than I am the CEO of Louis Vuitton or something like that, just because

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  rich people are going to buy the expensive shit because they don't want to be seen as regular. So it's easy to sell them that. And then people who don't have any money want the expensive shit because then you can be like, I'm rich for a second. Right? But maintaining perceived value of a brand that sells shit for cheap without it feeling cheap.

• 1:33:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:15Speaker 00

  That's fucking hard.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:17Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like, like Old Navy had like a little run when we were younger. Maybe because we were kids, but like they had like the cargo shorts or whatever it was. And like, it was the cheapest version of like the Gap, Old Navy, Banana Republic. Do you remember when they always, but like, there was a moment where it was like the coolest.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  I mean, Gap kinda does it.

• 1:33:35Speaker 00

  Well, Gap has killed it for like a while and I think they kind of fell off and that's why they went to EA.

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:40Speaker 00

  But it was like attainable. It wasn't cheap. The quality was good, but there was a cool factor or a quality factor.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:48Speaker 00

  That shit is hard when anybody can buy it, but maintaining like this feeling of cool.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like what makes something cool is inherently it's inaccessibility.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:58Speaker 00

  I would gotta talk to that CEO and be like, how the fuck you do this?

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:01Speaker 00

  Selling some shit for a billion dollars that nobody can afford? Why? How is that hard?

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  That's why I love Genesis. Talk to those cars. Have you seen them?

• 1:34:10Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  They're so cool. They look amazing and they're more affordable. So it's like, I mean, Miles, you can probably speak to it better, but like, it's like the low, it's like the affordable luxury car.

• 1:34:21Speaker 03

  It's Lexus in the nineties.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  Genesis is owned by Hyundai. Hyundai, I think owns most of Kia, if I'm not mistaken. Hyundai used to have a car called the Hyundai Genesis.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  That's what I thought you were talking about.

• 1:34:33Speaker 03

  This was their first foray. They wanted to make a nice car. Kia is attempting to make some nice cars.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:38Speaker 03

  And Hyundai basically was like, all right, we gotta make the next great reliable brand. It's Lexus in the nineties. It's Acura. It's all of these, uh, it's all these middle brands that can make a high quality.

• 1:34:50Speaker 00

  And the logo kinda looks like a Bentley logo bit.

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  It feels luxury.

• 1:34:53Speaker 00

  It feels luxury. Yeah.

• 1:34:55Speaker 03

  And they're awesome. And then I, I think they're great cars. I'm really impressed by them and they're beautiful.

• 1:35:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. Look at that logo.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  That shit, no, Aston Martin.

• 1:35:03Speaker 00

  Or Aston Martin, Aston Martin.

• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  And they're wildly like reliable because they come from one of the biggest brands out of Korea.

• 1:35:09Speaker 00

  That's the smart move right there because. Somebody told me this where it's like it's incredibly difficult to take a accessible brand and then do an expensive thing with it.

• 1:35:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:22Speaker 00

  Like, nobody wants to buy the $10,000 suit from Zara.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:35:28Speaker 00

  Right? But you can move down. So like, people would absolutely buy the $500 suit from Prada. That would be the highest selling thing the fucking Prada would have, right?

• 1:35:38Speaker 01

  $500 AP from.

• 1:35:39Speaker 00

  Exactly. It's like, because basically you want to buy in to the, to the luxury brand at the cheapest amount. It's, it's almost like a real estate purchase where you're like, you want the shittiest house in the nicest neighborhood.

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50Speaker 00

  How can I buy into this neighborhood? Fuck my house.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:53Speaker 00

  So, creating an entirely different car so that you can have the quote unquote like luxury, I don't know if Genesis is luxury.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:36:01Speaker 00

  Is actually easier than selling an expensive Hyundai.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:05Speaker 00

  Because who's buying a $100,000 Hyundai?

• 1:36:07Speaker 03

  Well, there used to be something called, I think the Hyundai Equus? And that was like their attempt, but it didn't sell.

• 1:36:15Speaker 00

  Didn't work. But like you've seen, like Toyota had to make Lexus because people were going to cap out at how much they'd spent on Toyota.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  And the original Lexuses were legit, just rebadged Toyotas with leather seats.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:28Speaker 03

  Just enough to be good, like.

• 1:36:30Speaker 00

  It's weird how our brains work in that.

• 1:36:32Speaker 03

  That original LS400 is so cool.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:36:34Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Cars is the first car.

• 1:36:36Speaker 00

  That was your first car?

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:37Speaker 03

  No, no, my first car was a Toyota Avalon, which is like the Toyota's version. They were trying.

• 1:36:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  What was the Lexus you had in college, though?

• 1:36:44Speaker 03

  Uh, ES300.

• 1:36:45Speaker 00

  It was the Toyota Corolla.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:48Speaker 00

  Then the Toyota Camry.

• 1:36:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:50Speaker 00

  And then the Toyota Avalon.

• 1:36:51Speaker 03

  I had the Avalon. Now they have the Crown, I think, is like their new high brand.

• 1:36:55Speaker 00

  But I think Uber did that. So when Uber first started, it was just black cars.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  In its earliest iteration.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:37:02Speaker 00

  So it was like, you got a fancy car service. And then as they scaled, they got to do Uber X or whatever it is, where like, it barely needs four wheels and like, this is fucking, this is thousands, it's horrible. But like, you're, you're, but they knew, they're like, we can offer a cheaper version of this.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:21Speaker 00

  But Lyft, for example, started at

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  With the regular.

• 1:37:25Speaker 00

  The cheap version.

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:26Speaker 00

  Nobody's ordering a Lyft black car.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:30Speaker 00

  Right? Because your perception of Lyft.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:37:32Mark Gagnon?

  Is the cheap.

• 1:37:33Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  You ever order Uber and a yellow taxi pulls up?

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  That shit is.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  This is hilarious.

• 1:37:37Speaker 00

  That shit is a little frustrating.

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  And he goes, from Mark, I'm like, how do you know my name?

• 1:37:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Who told you my name?

• 1:37:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  What do you know about me? What is going on here?

• 1:37:45Speaker 03

  You remember Uber Pool?

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  Bro, you'd be going uptown and someone else would be going uptown on the same street and they'd just pick them up and you'd be talking in the car.

• 1:37:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:54Speaker 03

  That was wild. I also like that time of the night where you, in New York City, can land it where the black cars are going down to just regular Uber X. So you just call Uber X and a nice ass like.

• 1:38:04Speaker 00

  How good does that feel?

• 1:38:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:06Speaker 00

  When you call, like, just the Uber regular and the SUV show?

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:10Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, oh, a nice little free.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  Dude, I was telling my buddy Chris about this. We were trying to roll out a thing where they were like, okay, we're gonna have like a van, like a, like a eight or 10 passenger van that goes on specific routes and then you can get on at any point and get off at any point. And he was like, you just invented the bus. First of all, that's not even Uber. Jamaicans were doing that in Brooklyn for our entire lives.

• 1:38:31Speaker 00

  There was a $2 bus and it was like an unsanctioned thing in Brooklyn.

• 1:38:35Mark Gagnon?

  It was the Dollar Van.

• 1:38:36Speaker 00

  Or the Dollar Van. And I think it went up to two.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:39Speaker 00

  Something like that. But it was, it was the Dollar Van in Brooklyn and it was always Jamaicans that ran it and they had their route and that's kind of how you got around parts of Brooklyn that didn't have a lot of.

• 1:38:48Mark Gagnon?

  That's how I got around Far Rockaway.

• 1:38:49Speaker 00

  Was it in Queens too?

• 1:38:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:51Speaker 00

  I guess there's Jamaicans in Queens.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:38:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  I mean, that's so funny. I feel like, like, Chinese churches have this all the time.

• 1:38:57Speaker 00

  Well, Chinese had the, the bus.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was a full bus?

• 1:39:01Speaker 00

  So Chinese would do this bus service that would take you from Chinatown to Chinatown. So you could go to Boston, but you go from Canal Street to Boston Chinatown.

• 1:39:10Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:39:10Speaker 00

  And it basically was cheaper than every other Greyhound bus service or Bolt bus or whatever that.

• 1:39:17Mark Gagnon?

  Still to this day.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  I took it to DC.

• 1:39:19Speaker 00

  DC was the route. So that was like the little hack and then white people found out about it and you just had to be cool with the dude with like a live chicken on his lap there next to you. But it was by far the cheapest.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like, $20 for $12, I think.

• 1:39:32Speaker 00

  And then there was like a murder on it.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:39:34Speaker 00

  I'm pretty sure.

• 1:39:36Mark Gagnon?

  These buses always accidents.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:38Speaker 00

  No, no. Do you remember? There was like a, there was like a gang. I think it was like some gang shit because they were obviously like. I don't know if this is for sure, but you assume that they can charge that cheap because they're also running something else between the different Chinatowns.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:39:52Speaker 03

  You remember the murder that happened on the bus where the guy cut?

• 1:39:54Speaker 00

  I think COVID spread so fast.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  The mega bus blew. No, I know exactly.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  The one where he cuts other guy's head off right in front of everyone on the bus. You ever heard of this?

• 1:40:07Speaker 00

  Was that on a Chinatown bus?

• 1:40:08Speaker 03

  No, I think it was in Canada, bro.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was in Canada. This guy Vince Wei Gang Lee killed a 22 year old after hearing what he thought was the voice of God. He starts killing the guy. Everyone runs off the bus. He beheads him and holds up the head in the window and he's like,

• 1:40:24Speaker 03

  smiling and shit.

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, God told me to do this. And according to BBC News, he was granted freedom.

• 1:40:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's out. Off of momentary insanity or whatever it's called?

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, according to this article, the voice told me that I had a third story of the Bible and that I was the second coming of Jesus and I was to save people from a space alien attack. He also said that he was quote, really sorry.

• 1:40:48Speaker 00

  Who's to say that's not true?

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  He was really sorry. He's really sorry. And then he was allowed.

• 1:40:54Speaker 03

  Sorry guys, I didn't mean to do that.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  He was allowed to live in his own apartment in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and is still the subject to monitoring to ensure that he took his medication.

• 1:41:01Speaker 00

  Who's to say it's not true? We keep calling these people crazy, man. Maybe they just prophets.

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  Right? We called Noah crazy and built an ark. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:41:10Speaker 00

  They called Daliene crazy. You know?

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  Nope. Nope.

• 1:41:17Speaker 00

  Of course, I wasn't trying to catch you.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  Hold me once, bro. Hold me once.

• 1:41:20Speaker 00

  What are my nicks at?

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, final feelings, no fact.

• 1:41:23Speaker 00

  What are my nicks at?

• 1:41:24Mark Gagnon?

  That clip was so funny, bro.

• 1:41:27Speaker 00

  Just watching that was so good.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  Are you willing to talk about it? Do you want to do game one? You want to talk about the series?

• 1:41:32Speaker 00

  I want to talk about the series. What do we have for the series?

• 1:41:34Mark Gagnon?

  We busting that ass, that's where we at.

• 1:41:36Speaker 00

  We're at 71% right now? Kao Shi odds for the series is 71%. I hate this.

• 1:41:44Speaker 00

  I don't even feel comfortable being ahead.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Speaker 00

  Like I feel my comfort is being the underdog and having irrational confidence about that.

• 1:41:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:52Speaker 00

  My comfort is not we're supposed to sweep them. That makes me feel very, yeah, I.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  Well, let's go back to April 23rd.

• 1:41:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, April 23rd at 1 a.m. It was Cleveland was up, so you would have been happy then.

• 1:42:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. How do you feel about that? Cleveland is busting your ass in April 29.

• 1:42:06Speaker 00

  That's better. I feel better about that. I gotta stay in the past. How do you feel, Al?

• 1:42:12Mark Gagnon?

  I'm only going to game one because it's like if I'm bad luck, we'll still have enough time to recover.

• 1:42:19Speaker 00

  Why would you even do that?

• 1:42:21Mark Gagnon?

  I gotta go to one.

• 1:42:22Speaker 00

  That's selfish.

• 1:42:23Mark Gagnon?

  I gotta go to, I gotta go to one. Come on, man. I gotta go to one.

• 1:42:27Speaker 00

  We're gonna remember this.

• 1:42:28Mark Gagnon?

  We feel too, this is, come on.

• 1:42:33Speaker 03

  We're gonna, we're gonna remember this.

• 1:42:34Mark Gagnon?

  Gotta go to one. I gotta go.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  Where are you gonna be for game one?

• 1:42:39Speaker 00

  In a bunker.

• 1:42:41Speaker 03

  Soundproof studio.

• 1:42:44Mark Gagnon?

  Gotta go.

• 1:42:44Speaker 00

  I'll be honest, I thought about, I thought about going, I thought about going and I was like, well, let's get a couple of W's on our bell first.

• 1:42:53Speaker 00

  Let's just see what happens. Let's just see what happens. Let's see how the boys play. They've been off. That's another thing. They've been off for a week.

• 1:42:59Mark Gagnon?

  That's good. They've nice and rested. Fucking Cleveland went seven games. They tired.

• 1:43:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're tired, but they're also in a rhythm. They're in a rhythm. They're in a rhythm.

• 1:43:08Mark Gagnon?

  Come on.

• 1:43:09Speaker 03

  Did you check your DMs? Did anyone send you some sneak photos of them out at clubs or anything?

• 1:43:13Speaker 00

  Somebody sent me something. Somebody sent me something, not out of the club. It was like somebody they were talking about. It was like one of the Knicks players talking about something. But I think they've been good.

• 1:43:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:43:22Mark Gagnon?

  But you know Harden's already celebrating at a strip club like we good.

• 1:43:26Speaker 00

  That's the other thing. It's like, they got partiers on Cleveland.

• 1:43:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:43:29Speaker 00

  And like New York.

• 1:43:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:31Speaker 00

  New York, this is where it's time. Like you gotta be.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  Psyop. You gotta do a psyop.

• 1:43:35Speaker 00

  It's not even a psyop.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  You gotta send in the honeypots, dude.

• 1:43:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's not a, is that a psyop? I thought a psyop was something else.

• 1:43:42Speaker 01

  I mean, kind of. It was just a corporate operation.

• 1:43:43Speaker 00

  Weak in the knees. You got guys that want to party. If there's anybody, like if the issue be free liquor, free tables for any Cleveland's.

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:52Speaker 00

  Any cab.

• 1:43:53Speaker 01

  Put their ass against the window, start sucking.

• 1:43:54Speaker 00

  Sucking.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Put him up against the window, lick the booty hole.

• 1:44:00Speaker 00

  I mean this sincerely, like there are hoes here in New York that you fucking guys that really don't deserve you. Now you could do something great for the city, you could be a hero.

• 1:44:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:44:08Speaker 00

  You could literally be a hero.

• 1:44:10Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:10Speaker 00

  So you know who to go after on that team.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:12Speaker 00

  And like, listen, this is the greatest city in the world, people get caught up in shit. A lot of these guys in Cleve, they're in Cleveland all year, they never experienced fine dining like this.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  Use that throat for good.

• 1:44:23Speaker 00

  Not only use the throat, like, listen, use some old fish in their meals. Like if they're going out to eat.

• 1:44:33Speaker 00

  There's more ways to, listen, Michael Jordan just randomly gets a fucking flu after having pizza at 2:00 in the morning. No, they poison that motherfucker. I'm not saying you should poison people.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  No, suck them off. James Harden, he needs to get sucked off.

• 1:44:46Speaker 00

  I'm not saying you should do that.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  Donovan Mitchell needs to be sucked off.

• 1:44:48Speaker 00

  We don't want any lasting damage.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  Max Strus needs to be sucked off. Evan Mobley sucked off. Jared Allen sucked off. We need all of these sucked up.

• 1:44:57Speaker 00

  New York, now is time, bro. You don't just let the boys fight on the court. This is a fight the entire series, wherever they are.

• 1:45:03Speaker 01

  Drain them.

• 1:45:04Speaker 00

  Drain them out.

• 1:45:05Speaker 01

  Suck them. Suck them, dude. Be a eater.

• 1:45:08Speaker 00

  Yo, I mean, literally, like, now is the time, like, now is, if you're, now is the time, man.

• 1:45:18Speaker 00

  Now is the time, guys. We all need to rally around our boys and make it as easy as possible for them out there.

• 1:45:23Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:24Speaker 00

  It's a commitment as a city.

• 1:45:25Speaker 01

  Yep. You can do your part.

• 1:45:27Speaker 00

  You can do your part. You will be rewarded for it.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:45:30Speaker 00

  If, if you are the girl that causes unbelievable turmoil for any team the Knicks are facing, just know you're queen of the city.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:45:39Speaker 00

  You're queen of the city, doors are open.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  Put them on parade. Give them the front flow to the parade.

• 1:45:43Speaker 00

  They would absolutely get that. We celebrate like that.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  Yep. It's a very liberal city.

• 1:45:47Speaker 00

  It's a very liberal city.

• 1:45:49Speaker 01

  If you're sucking off James, Donovan, Max, Evan, and Jared, get on front of the flow, dude.

• 1:45:55Speaker 00

  I'd be honest, I think that we would reward that.

• 1:45:58Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:45:59Speaker 00

  We would absolutely reward that.

• 1:46:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  Anyway.

• 1:46:03Mark Gagnon?

  We got this, we got this.

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  All right, we also got the obsession movie.

• 1:46:07Speaker 00

  Can you explain this to me?

• 1:46:09Speaker 01

  The Netflix MVP fights.

• 1:46:11Mark Gagnon?

  Obsession movie.

• 1:46:13Speaker 01

  We got the Odyssey trailer that people are talking about.

• 1:46:17Speaker 00

  Should we go rip a little Patreon on these right now? Okay, we're gonna rip Patreon right now. We'll see you guys there, patreon.com/flagrantpeace.

• 1:46:25Speaker 06

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