Knicks WIN The East & Chelsea Handler Takes SHOTS

YERRRR we got Nate Jackson here today, discussing: - Kevin Hart Roast - Comedy still feeling segregated - Schulz being inspired by Russ - Enhanced Games flopping - Massie getting got - Heightism vs Racism And much more - ENJOY Timestamps: 0:00 Nate is good luck + NY is LOUD 3:06 Sonics are BACK + Boojie Nate 6:09 Win for America, Paranoia + OKC x Seattle 11:14 Roast = Comedy Super Bowl + Hinchcliffe was crushing 14:20 Chelsea finding "issues" + Zionist comment HURT 19:31 White people for change + Comedy segregation 23:58 Def Comedy Jam, NY diversity + "Mainstream" 25:34 Austin, Oregon skinheads + Black nights 29:59 Grabbing who was safe + Black comedians subsidizing 33:19 Marketed as "urban", Diversity + Archetype 38:22 Power of the algorithm + Culture shock 44:03 Racism in the clubs + Marketing differently 48:58 Schulz's journey, specific algorithm + relentless work 56:40 Intimacy in comedy + Crowd work is pure 1:01:01 Josh Johnson's method 1:02:39 Enhanced Games = flop 1:09:48 Fox News Mask? 1:12:56 Thomas Massie loses his seat 1:16:23 Colbert ends, Fallon + Music 1:20:57 Inspirations + Lil Duval 1:29:19 Edible "creativity" + Russ is the source 1:33:07 Andrew's work ethic + Quality over quantity 1:35:52 Blue's Clues, Familiarity + Curation 1:41:38 Comedy running 24/7 1:43:37 Plane hitting paraglider 1:45:13 Fake speaker 1:46:38 Feet juice for sale 1:48:33 5'2 White or 6'5 Black guy + Kevin's MEAT 1:51:51 Jalen Brunson hit your girl? White boy fun 1:55:03 Recreating Comedy Jam This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  What's up everybody, welcome to Flagrant and today we are, today we are feeling optimistic. Today we are feeling good. The New York Knicks have advanced after 27 years to the NBA Finals. Let's go, let's go. Big, big, big applause. We got our boy Nate Jackson here who came to celebrate the Knicks victory. He was in Herald Square, he was driving by. You guys probably know him from his comedy. You've seen maybe his Netflix special, you've seen him online. But even Nate, a person from the West Coast, wanted to feel greatness in this city. He booked his shows at the Brooklyn Improv. He did two weekends in a row to make sure that he could be here

• 0:41Speaker 00

  just in case the Knicks extended past four games, but they swept. Obviously it's what we do in the playoffs now. So Nate, thank you so much for your contribution to, you know, New York's Knicks lore.

• 0:50Speaker 01

  I think I'm the reason you guys won. Just because like you needed somebody who missed basketball as much as me to be in the city so that they just felt that energy, buckets, you know what I mean?

• 1:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  I don't know if this is good for the city or bad. Obviously it's like good because you needed a win, but like you guys don't know how to act. Like this is ridiculous.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, we're united, man. This is, this feels like 9/12.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  You're united in, that's a list. You're united in anarchy though. Like they're literally like, there's, I saw grandma crowd surfing. Like it's,

• 1:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  It's pandemonium.

• 1:30Speaker 00

  People think New Yorkers are relaxed. I don't know why. We've never been relaxed.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  That's never, nobody has ever been like, let's talk about New Yorkers.

• 1:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, people think we're chill. People think we're just vibing and cool.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Definitely LA, that's us.

• 1:43Speaker 00

  Is that you guys?

• 1:44Speaker 01

  You guys are wowed up. What's up yo? What's up? It's Brick out here yo.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  It's fucking Brick out here yo. What's up son? Oh my gosh, son. Look at that, wow.

• 1:53Speaker 00

  But you usually just see us angry and disappointed, right?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  You guys are loud.

• 1:58Speaker 00

  But we're loud and positive.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  No. No.

• 2:02Speaker 00

  You didn't see positivity oozing in the streets right there?

• 2:05Speaker 01

  It's not positive or negative. The normal New York that I know is just like loud and it's not. They're like, peanut butter, my girl left me, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's not. Sanity. That's insanity.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're insane people. You gotta be insane here in this city. We're passionate people.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27Speaker 00

  You got.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Paul.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  I mean, people are just going crazy. There's a million in these videos.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's his inside voice.

• 2:52Speaker 00

  Did you?

• 2:53Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. And that's the women.

• 2:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. But doesn't it remind you when you were at a basketball team?

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Go Sonics. We're back. They gave, they approved the two expansion teams. So Seattle Sonics will be back.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  Are they gonna name them the Sonics?

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, we kept our name.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  Really?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why Oklahoma's the, what are they called?

• 3:18Speaker 00

  Don't hate them.

• 3:20Speaker 00

  Don't hate them. Don't hate them. He's salty.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  So we kept our name and brand. And then Vegas is the other expansion that.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  An NBA team in Vegas is just bad news, bro.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  I mean, that's what we said about hockey and they did that.

• 3:32Speaker 00

  Hockey, I'm not worried about because they're gonna drink anywhere.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  But they, and then the Oakland A's are, I mean, they're the Vegas Athletics now.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  They have, they're gonna have every sport.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's just gonna be bad. Like NBA players know how to actually party and people know who they are. Baseball players, nobody really knows who they are. Hockey players, nobody really knows.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Well, the baseball players don't speak English, so they don't kick it how we kick it.

• 3:52Speaker 00

  How do, how do they kick it?

• 3:53Speaker 01

  At Latin night.

• 3:54Speaker 00

  Little carné assada?

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, little rooftop.

• 3:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Still wearing cleats, so.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Signing in.

• 4:05Speaker 00

  You would never complain about your hotel 10 years ago, Nate?

• 4:09Speaker 01

  I wouldn't?

• 4:09Speaker 00

  No.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely would.

• 4:11Speaker 00

  Always been bougie.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  That's not a bougie complaint. I've been there for 11 days. By the time you here, you can tell what shoes they got on. I'm on the 10th floor of the rooftops of the 11th. Nah, I was cool for five days of it.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  You just caught me on the back half of like, really? Wow, on a Sunday? On a, it's Memorial Day weekend.

• 4:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  They've been kicking it extra.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  But 15 years ago, when you're on the road and you're at some comedy club and you're at like a motel for the weekend. You're not even worried about the sounds that are coming out of rooms next to you, right? Now you're at a different level of success where Latinos can't be stomping on your roof.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Oh, they had a black night, a white night, a Latin night.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  But what was the loudest?

• 4:50Speaker 01

  A Asian night.

• 4:52Speaker 00

  Really?

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Cause you would hear them run and then it'd be quiet for a second and then it'd be real loud. So I think they're, I don't know, is that a kick?

• 5:00Speaker 02

  They got wooden sandals, that's why. It's extremely clicky clack.

• 5:05Speaker 00

  Now, did you go Pete the Asian night? You gotta, you gotta at least.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  I didn't go there at all on any night.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  Really?

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they do go way longer than west coast parties. Cause we, we're, we're wrapped by like two at the latest.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  They're winding down at four.

• 5:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  We're, we're four AM.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  And then they had, they had day parties too. So it would go from like, they had brunch, like 11 AM all the way until four in the morning.

• 5:27Speaker 00

  This is a real, this is a real city. We have real drugs, bro. It's not, we don't like smoke weed.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  And y'all own them. Y'all on the hard stuff. Yeah, you guys are out here.

• 5:36Speaker 00

  It comes here first.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  And that's what's in these videos. I see drug abuse. I see a little bit of mental, little, just a little bit. Just a little bit of, you know.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  This is patriotism. I mean, this is beautiful.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  Look at that.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  That's an epic shot.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  America!

• 5:49Mark Gagnon?

  That's America's team right there, baby.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Something's on there.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  Let's not, we don't gotta worry about all that.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah?

• 5:54Speaker 00

  Let's not make a political statement. They're just united as a city. We're coming together.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  There's something on that flag.

• 5:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's something on that flag. We want to back the blue.

• 6:04Speaker 02

  There's only flag he had at his house. He had to bring something. You know, you can't like plan.

• 6:08Speaker 00

  Nah, it's amazing to see. Al, how you feeling, man?

• 6:10Mark Gagnon?

  I really feel this is a win for America right here.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  It is a win for America.

• 6:14Mark Gagnon?

  This is a win for America?

• 6:15Speaker 00

  This is a win for America.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Why do you feel like that?

• 6:17Mark Gagnon?

  Cause like, New York is America. Like all the other states are just like, you know, y'all there, but this is, you know, you know what it is.

• 6:26Speaker 00

  If New York is up, if New York is up, the country's up.

• 6:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  I mean, this is crazy. This guy just crowd surfing on the street.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Bruh, and they caught him.

• 6:36Speaker 00

  That's insanity.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  They caught him.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  There's somebody in that car trying to leave. They honked and this is what they're responsible for.

• 6:43Mark Gagnon?

  And this is just the Eastern Conference Finals, bro.

• 6:46Speaker 00

  If we win the finals, they really gotta shut down the city.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Nah, I saw that. I literally, my car, my car was.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  You went by that bus?

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Literally. So we were, we were about to leave to make a left out of there and they were setting the barricades up. I was like, we can't go left. Like they made us go straight and they're everywhere. That bus driver and that pre-vo's bus was turned. He was up in the window hung up. And then when the when the clock expired the game like all the cops like hitting them so the whole street was crazy like this is this is a problem you guys like this if this is your control this is this is crazy.

• 7:25Speaker 00

  You know when he like blew up all the bridges in Batman that's the only way you're gonna stop pandemonium in New York if the Knicks.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  They're gonna tear up the Statue of Liberty they're gonna tear up what's that Moynihan? They're tearing that up.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Where did you watch the game?

• 7:40Speaker 00

  At my house.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  And what was the emotional breakdown quarter by quarter?

• 7:44Speaker 00

  I mean it was a blowout by half so it was really just like don't fuck it up.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  They won by like forty.

• 7:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was crazy.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  I know but the paranoia of New Yorkers.

• 7:54Speaker 00

  I didn't answer the group chat until there was three minutes left in the fourth.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  A lot of people have been like don't talk to me about it because they've torn my heart out many times.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  Literally my hands were doing that Dan Soder is at the cell at time he's like yeah you guys are up twenty and I'm like Dan don't do this right now do not ruin this right now everything is okay everything is okay right now so yeah I'm absolutely terrified I'm still fucking terrified I'm putting on like fake bravado.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Who's on the other side then?

• 8:19Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Aren't they still playing?

• 8:21Speaker 00

  They are yeah yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  Two two right now right?

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Yeah yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Where does Calci have the Western Conference like odds can you pull that up?

• 8:28Speaker 00

  They still got OKC up?

• 8:31Speaker 02

  Yeah OKC's at sixty one percent San Antonio at forty percent.

• 8:35Speaker 00

  Yeah I think I don't know why I think San Antonio got it.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  So it's either the Alien or the refs.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  Or the refs. So here's the thing about like if OKC play and you probably got animosity for OKC because they used to be the Sonics and they left your ass.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  I have I have just nothing for them.

• 8:56Speaker 00

  You feel nothing?

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 8:58Speaker 00

  Not at all?

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 9:00Speaker 00

  There's not a little nostalgia play there's not like that UCLA franchise and they yanked it away from you?

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Of course there's nostalgia there's nostalgia they brought they had a Durant game and they just like whatever team Kevin was on at the time they came back and played in Seattle and it was just like it was like we were back.

• 9:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  It was just to watch Kevin Durant.

• 9:18Speaker 00

  You know what is kind of crazy is like great sports city Seattle to lose the franchise is the most peculiar thing.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Unannounced.

• 9:27Speaker 00

  I just don't understand.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  We didn't even know they were for sale. It was like July 2nd, 2008. And kids were trying to get into the arena. And they just put it, somebody just came up and taped a lined piece of paper, college rule.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  They're now in Oklahoma City. Yeah.

• 9:44Speaker 00

  Wow, dirty.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Go Thunder.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Dirty. So bad money out there.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Apparently that was the Starbucks guy. Howard Schulz.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  He did what? He sold it?

• 9:53Speaker 02

  According to ChatGPT, it says he owned the Sonics, the team was losing money.

• 9:57Speaker 00

  Don't put that on me now.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  And wanted a major renovation.

• 9:59Speaker 00

  Eight billionaires now.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  He might have had a T, but.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  He might have had a T.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  It sounded, how'd you say his name? Howard what?

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Schulz.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  I don't hear the T pronounced, man.

• 10:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's a lot of T in there. Too much T in there. Fuck that guy. Fuck Starbucks.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  So in order to upgrade the arena, he tried to do this whole thing, but officials didn't want to give him a deal. So in 2006, he sold the team to OKC, led by Clay Bennett.

• 10:23Speaker 00

  Can someone explain this shit to me? Why is it that we always have to pay for the arena to get upgraded, but we don't own the team?

• 10:29Speaker 01

  I don't know, but Green Bay owns their team and I'm jealous sometimes.

• 10:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, but that's the only way they're gonna have a team there.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:37Speaker 00

  Cause if it was one guy that owned that team, that team would be in Vegas already.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's for sure.

• 10:43Speaker 00

  The only way you could keep a team in Green Bay, Wisconsin, is if every single person at town owned a piece of that team.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  I haven't had a good time in Green Bay.

• 10:51Speaker 00

  You've done shows?

• 10:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been out there. I haven't had a good time yet.

• 10:55Speaker 00

  Why?

• 10:56Speaker 01

  I don't know, it's just like, it's not my speed. I feel like everybody's got the inward on tip of their tongue.

• 11:02Speaker 00

  Where else do you put it? What part of your tongue? What part of your tongue do you put it?

• 11:08Speaker 01

  I got a tip for you.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  If you want to say real bad.

• 11:14Speaker 00

  Speaking of, what do you, what do you think of the roast?

• 11:18Speaker 01

  I was there, man. I thought, uh. First of all, I don't think anybody's talking about how easy it is to just get caught up in the moment. Cause it was like a comedy Super Bowl.

• 11:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  And a lot of wild shit was getting said, but you're like, fuck it. You're eating charcuterie board off a table and there's a camera in your face.

• 11:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, did they catch you laughing at some crazy shit?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  I was, on the live feed, I was in like seven times according to my nieces and then in what ended up staying on, I guess I was in three or four times.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  Really?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  So they were like.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  Did they get shit, did you get shit for laughing at stuff that is a no-no?

• 11:48Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I didn't get shit for laughing. I think they shot, I think one of my big ones, like I was cracking up hard and they caught me, but it was when Cat Williams said something about that. But it was like, and people gotta understand, like what people are, cause if anyone's seen it, you've seen that there's been like, I don't know if you call it a hater.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  A little backlash.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's backlash. Yeah, but this thing was three hours long. And so if you took the time it took to say every word that pissed people off or whatever, it's like they're mad about about fifty seconds of content out of the whole thing. But I said that on, when Charlamagne asked me on the breakfast, I'm like, I feel like Hinchcliffe had it. He didn't need that last joke.

• 12:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  He had it. He had, he had every household.

• 12:32Speaker 00

  He was crushing.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  He had every household. He had five times the last minute than anyone else.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was on fire.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  It was nuts.

• 12:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  He was, he had notes. So he was going teleprompter from his mind, from his notes. Like he was like joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. And then at the end, he says the George Floyd thing. I literally was like, I turned to Dion Call, I was like, he ain't had to do that. He had, he had the country. He had everyone. And then he was like, and by the way, tear it back in half. He had everyone.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  So you think there was nothing else that he said? You think that he would have been just unanimous best part of the roast?

• 13:06Speaker 01

  If he didn't go there, we might be nitpicking over something else he said, but it wouldn't have been something that is so blatantly like both sides were like, yeah, he went a little far.

• 13:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 13:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  It would have been easy to be like, you're tripping, funny's funny. Like, like some of that stuff was like, eh, on paper, yeah, that ain't that funny.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Even with delivery, you know what I mean? But it wasn't necessary to say, you know? I mean, look at how hard he, he went so hard.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  He just lobbed Cheryl her second career.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  She's back. She got a Netflix special.

• 13:37Speaker 00

  She killed it.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Absolutely. And she's a beast.

• 13:40Speaker 00

  She's been a talented for decades, man.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 13:42Speaker 00

  I was a kid watching Cheryl.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  Both. So that's what I'm saying, like.

• 13:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  And it was epic because she said everything that needed to be said.

• 13:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  And then got a chance to defend herself. And then you saw her go into having fun. And then telling everyone why it's okay to have free speech. She kind of touched on all four things that needed to be said in the moment.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  But the first, if Tony didn't go that far, that hard, I don't think that is received just as much, you know what I mean?

• 14:13Speaker 00

  You think that was the one thing that framed it? Because it seemed like, I don't know, I don't know, like, there's been some people talking about it.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, Chelsea's been talking about it a lot lately.

• 14:22Speaker 00

  What did Chelsea say?

• 14:23Speaker 02

  So.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  She's really like saying like, she's, she's, she's like casting them out badly.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Like, she's like, they're sexist, they're bigots, they're, like, there's nothing to do with what's funny. And she even, she even brings up what Cheryl wasn't offended by and says that she would be.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  So she's trying to tell Cheryl what she's offended by?

• 14:44Speaker 01

  No, you can watch it right there.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  She's on a pod with Dionne, and this is basically what she said. This clip got like 14 million views.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Did it?

• 14:50Speaker 02

  But, yeah, I mean, it went crazy viral. But this is basically, we can cut through a couple of parts, but.

• 14:55Speaker 04

  Tony Hinchcliffe and Shane and their backgrounds. I had girls, ex-girlfriends, blowing up my DMs that had dated Shane and were telling me stuff about him. So based on that, I was like, oh, these guys are pretty bad.

• 15:08Speaker 05

  So you had something on him that you was, you pitiful, tell us now, what?

• 15:15Speaker 04

  It's just everything you know that they're racist, that they're bigots, that they're sexist. You know, that they think they're like invincible, that they've been canceled for being like, you know, Shane got fired from SNL but then was on SNL. Years later, so he got fired. So what happened in between those two events? So he believes that this is for one of his exes, that he's invincible. He's like, doesn't matter. I can say anything I want.

• 15:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. Do you think that now a lot of like white comics, they feel as though that they could say something racist? And it's more further their career.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, they're gonna get in with that group of like Roganites and that Austin group of Joe Rogan and all of those guys. And I just, you know, like, that's their M O. Even some girl comics have started to do it to be like in with that with that group.

• 16:05Speaker 00

  Man, that Epstein comment hurt her, bro. That's gotta be down.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  She said she was at the island?

• 16:11Speaker 00

  Not even the island. She went to like a, like a small dinner. Small dinner's worse. Like if you had like a big event he was at, like if you were at Coachella's, like I didn't know he was gonna be at Coachella's. But if you had his house with like seven other people, damn.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. But what if you don't know? You can still not know.

• 16:27Speaker 00

  I know who was at the dinner with seven other people.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 16:31Speaker 00

  How many good have you been to with seven other people?

• 16:34Speaker 01

  This is, that's so exotic. You're like, just trust me, we're going to this bomb ass island. We're about to have dinner.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  I don't think it was at the island.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it was in New York City.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Either way, we're about to have this bomb ass dinner.

• 16:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 16:46Speaker 02

  And it fares in Chelsea. I think she talked about it a bunch before this. I think she did like in a book and like did it in like her special. Like she talked about meeting him before.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  So why is she, why is she like framing them in this light? This is what I don't understand.

• 16:57Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I thought it was the Zionist comment that got her.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  That's what I thought turned her up too.

• 17:02Mark Gagnon?

  Cause right now that's radioactive right now.

• 17:05Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. So she's, what is she? She's saying she's a Zionist and?

• 17:10Speaker 01

  No, he said that. He said it all in one, in her intro.

• 17:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Just a throwaway and chuckled all the way through it. Like, no, I'm serious. She really didn't go to a dinner. It's fucked up, man. Anyway.

• 17:22Speaker 00

  It is funny that like she's, she's sitting there saying that like Shane and Tony are Nazis. And she's just sitting next to Dion Cole, who's literally like bringing Kanye on stage, who's selling like Nazi merch. Like, there's no conversation about that at all.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  Guys, here's all of our dates in 30 seconds. June 5th and 6th, I'm gonna be in Virginia Beach. And then August 8th, I'm gonna be in Halifax, Nova Scotia, with SNL's Cam Patterson, Lucas Zelnik, and Mark Gagnon. TheAndrewShells.com for those. And then also, we have the Life Paddle Classic Charity Tournament, June 4th. Shout out Neurogum for doing this with us. All the proceeds go to Baby Quest, which is the IVF charity that my wife and I work with, many other people work with, and is helping people start families. Very expensive process, so it's alleviating that pressure for them. And Neurogum has the Dad Bundle, the Andrew Schulz Dad Bundle,

• 18:26Speaker 00

  that they're selling right now on their website. And if you buy that, or you just wanna donate, you don't have to just buy that, but the proceeds will be going to Baby Quest, so you can help support. Also, come out to the tournament, it'd be absolutely great. You can sign up, you can play. And yeah, we're just gonna raise a bunch of money for people trying to start families, playing the most fun sport that there is. Awesome. I hope to see you guys there. June 4th, Paddle House in Dumbo, New York. Love you guys. Mark, what you got?

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Great news, everybody. I'm going to many, many cities at the end of the year. I'm going to Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona, Pasadena, California, San Diego, Detroit, Michigan, and Salt Lake City, Utah. It'll be a wonderful time, and I can't wait to see you guys all there. Alex?

• 19:07Mark Gagnon?

  And I'm doing a lot of stuff in New York this summer. We have Cancelled Comedy, we have another Cancelled Comedy show. That is June 24th. Head over to CancelledComedyX.com. And then I have another one of my tennis series that is on July 25th. And you can get that at TheAllLoveClub.com. See you guys there. Peace.

• 19:28Speaker 06

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• 19:57Speaker 02

  And then she goes on to talk about Cheryl and like that whole, how she felt about the jokes at the end. I think it's right around here.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  I'll take it, though. Like, I'm okay with her being like, "I don't want you talking about lynching black people is a joke." Even if her... Even if the soapbox you stand on is tattered.

• 20:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Somebody gotta say it. And it doesn't need to look like us. You know what I'm saying?

• 20:16Speaker 00

  Oh, you prefer if it's somebody else saying it?

• 20:18Speaker 01

  No, I do prefer if it's us, but somebody needs to keep that going. So it's not like, the blacks are still mad.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it validates your anger when somebody else is saying it.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  No, it's not about, we're pissed already, but you guys don't respond, and you guys being white. You guys don't respond until you see other white people involved. Like, look at the history of what it took to get real change in the civil rights movement. Like, they had to see some, some white people getting hurt. Like, oh, okay, now they've gone too far.

• 20:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So you're saying that white people are the real good guys?

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Phenomenal.

• 20:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  It's just when you get, when you get what you think is a win, the way you act.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  It's all the same. They used to have the same sized parties if it wasn't for, if it wasn't for winning. So I'm just glad something was said, but I, you know, I hate that we have to sit back like.

• 21:11Speaker 00

  Do you ever have to battle that? Like, you're like, I'm a comedian and I say fucked up things versus I'm a black dude.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  Why, of course, but I walk up to the line of what's acceptable. I might put a toe over and then I back up off of it. Like, I'm not, some people are enamored by what it does across the line. Like, what are they gonna do when I get on this side and I play over here? Like, let's play in this area of like, like, let's elicit responses. Like, the response I want is laughter, so I just wanna stay on the funny side of things.

• 21:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  As far as, uh, the, the black part, like, I am. Like, there's nothing I can do to keep being put that, like, comedy segregated. What do you do?

• 21:52Speaker 00

  Hmm, yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 21:53Speaker 00

  What do you mean comedy segregated?

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Comedy segregated.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Meaning what? Like, there's black crowds. Honestly, I don't see color, so like, it never made any sense. The podcast is segregated right now. Why are there so many water fountains?

• 22:05Speaker 01

  They should have made you ball rock. You would have seen color after that.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  You're gonna be a black character. Let's see how you feel.

• 22:14Speaker 00

  So you mean like in terms of like there are circuits. There's like the black circuit, the white circuit. There's the Latino now is building up. Yes.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  That's literally what it is.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  But you've done both. I've done both. I came up in the black circuit.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Facts, but why does that have to be a circuit? It's only because of necessity. Black people wouldn't have had to be like, we're gonna do it our way over here like this if there was a fair inclusion.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  I think it's two things. I think it's this fair inclusion, but I also think it's like people want to see the comedy that they relate to reflected. So like if you go to some like mainstream.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  I'm performing in theaters that black people weren't allowed in. Like these, we aren't in new theaters. When was the last time you were in a Brent Spankin?

• 22:54Speaker 00

  No, no, no. They're all old.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  And literally, black people weren't allowed.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  Of course, of course, of course.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  And we built it. So as I was at the Ryman, like nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga. I hope everybody understands that needs to be said by me on this stage. Now let's start the show. The damn was like that.

• 23:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mexicans build the Ryman because they redid it, but I think the initial, the initial version.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  I think people in the Ryman have said that were before.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  A lot.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  They're like, finally, that's what we used to do in here.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  We went to one theater and they still, because it was like, they kept it historically. What'd you see?

• 23:29Speaker 00

  It's in Alabama. We were there.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  And it said?

• 23:31Speaker 00

  And there's a colored section that they kept up in the back where black people used to sit at shows. We did that one. You remember that?

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Well, this isn't what I was talking about, but this is very interesting.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  And I didn't make black people sit there. I actually.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  You should have. So.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  Progressive.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  No, what I saw was, there was one that kept their sink. It was like, this is a blacks only sink. And it was in the back and it didn't work, but they were like, just so you know, like. So all these theaters at one point not allowed. Then they let mezzanine seating. Then it's like, now y'all can come wherever. And then we were allowed to perform.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  So it's not that far off. We're not talking, I'm like, my dad remembers.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 24:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  Your dad remembers? I saw that video y'all walking in. He's old enough.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, my dad has Alzheimer's. He doesn't remember.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  You don't see color, he doesn't remember color.

• 24:19Speaker 00

  He thinks the world is perfect.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  But no, it is, it is, um, yeah, I guess that is, I don't know, it's also like, it's weird for me because like my introduction to comedy was Def Comedy Jam. You know, and it was like, I don't even think I saw white comics. Like I was like aware of like Seinfeld and that, but I never saw Seinfeld stand up. Until late, years later, I saw the show first. So it was this like thing that I saw and observed, and I also like grew up in New York. So it was a little bit different, obviously for me than somebody who like never saw diversity at all. Like it wasn't like a weird.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  You guys are definitely very cultured out this way, like.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  But I do agree with you, like less representation in the mainstream clubs, way more now, but definitely less initially.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Why are we calling it mainstream? Do you see what I'm saying? Like all of these definitions are because somebody was like, nah, let that be over there.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  Well, I think they called it mainstream because of that reason, right? It was like, it was called the chitlin circuit when I was coming up, which was like the black circuit. Cause you guys love that food. Yeah, man, we give free chitlins out at all the shows, dude. That's why I went. I got five minutes of walking to chitlins.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  Shout out to Smokey Suarez, man. I love you, Smokey. I love you. Thank you, Sam. I never got any chicken. She had the parrot and shot his shit.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  I put Smokey's on my.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Is he? Oh, yeah. I want to talk about that too.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  If you look at the definition of chitlins, it literally is why it's called the chitlin circuit. It's the part of the pig that nobody wanted to eat. So they're like, here, y'all can have that. And then they made the most of it. And now it began cultural delicacy or whatever. So. I'm not, I'm not trying to like rah rah for like, like the black comics. I just wanted, I'm just saying it is, it is what it is. And the fact that you have to circumvent and go around or whatever, it's, it's the proof is in the pudding. When part of Hollywood goes, let's just go to Austin.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  What, explain that?

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Well, Austin is. Very red.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  Austin is not. Austin is like-

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Texas is red.

• 26:18Speaker 00

  Texas is red.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, Thompson girl was like, what you want is to be in a blue city and a red state.

• 26:22Speaker 00

  But isn't that every like conservative state? It's like the capital's always like the most like liberal place. You go like the reddest fucking state.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Facts, but they're like, keep Austin weird. Like they put effort into it.

• 26:35Speaker 00

  That's what being democratic is in a red state.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Like gay people get married.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's fucking odd. But isn't, isn't Washington like that too? Isn't Washington the super red except for?

• 26:47Speaker 01

  No, Washington's blue.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  I thought Washington was like where the KKK went or some shit and then like Seattle.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Thinking about Idaho.

• 26:54Speaker 00

  No.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Maybe Oregon.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  Or maybe I'm thinking of Oregon.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Essentially.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Medford, Oregon.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  Those are the same to me a lot.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  All my dad was like, don't stop there for gas. That's all I know. When I was younger, yeah, like when we were on college road trips, he's like, there's a lot of places you can get gas. Because I wouldn't recommend Medford.

• 27:09Speaker 00

  Gresham?

• 27:10Speaker 01

  They just had a high population of skinheads, like legit. Just like, yeah, tight black boots, big, uh, tight jeans, big boots, you know?

• 27:19Speaker 00

  Now that you can go to Turkey, I feel like that skinhead shit is done.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  Like I feel like they were leaning into that a little bit because of, you know, like, uh, hereditary reasons.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Germany too?

• 27:30Speaker 00

  They had hair over there.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Not the ones that were in them boots.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  They, they didn't. I thought they had, they used to say that my haircut looked like that.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  That's the old school.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  Back in the day, the old one.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Or time of the neo.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  We got sideburns now.

• 27:42Speaker 00

  Now I got sideburns.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, that was the thing. I knew nothing of it. I was like, who, who the fuck is that?

• 27:52Speaker 01

  But no, it was, it's a segregated thing and I, that's why I like, kudos to you. Like I, I give roses because you come up cultured, right? Like, bet. Uh, Matt Rife, right? Matt's little Ohio kid, he's been, I mean, came up cultured.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  And so it's not like- Um, it doesn't feel like because because of a thing that that success is a thing. I'm just saying like it's like this is how crazy chocolate sundays.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  No, I love. Mobeta Mondays, Jupiter Tuesdays.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Wildin' Out Wednesdays, Crack'em Up Thursdays, those are the black shows in L.A. And you can legitimately do those your whole life.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  And never do it. The star of chocolate sundays come down on a Tuesday, they're gonna be like, you all right? You must be here for a check.

• 28:46Speaker 00

  So just to describe.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  There's a refried Wednesdays.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, but this is.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  That's Richard Vias brand.

• 28:52Speaker 00

  I know, I know.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Sladdin' comedy?

• 28:57Speaker 01

  That's Evelyn San Juan, that's the Filipinos.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  Really?

• 29:00Speaker 01

  You think I'm making it up? That's what they call White Night. College Night.

• 29:07Speaker 00

  No way.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  All-Star Comedy Night where somebody from each one can pop in on a Friday, it's called All-Star.

• 29:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, but there's never white people in the All-Star game.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Have you seen it, All-Star game?

• 29:22Speaker 00

  We must have called you something called the Enhanced Games. Yeah, but he's German white, he's like, we don't really claim foreign whites.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that don't count.

• 29:30Speaker 00

  You know what I mean, like Luca's kinda white.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  But look where the, look where the, the, the one black show that's, the one produced black show is at the store.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  What you're, what you're describing was the L.A. comedy scene where there was like a night, there was a black night for all these different days.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  It was, it's still like that.

• 29:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  What shit?

• 29:48Speaker 00

  Do you think it has the same cultural impact that it did maybe 10, 15 years ago? Like, I remember those nights, to be honest, were the only nights that the clubs were sold out during the week.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Now you talking that shit.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  But like, this is.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Okay, then how come Ministry don't go to those nights?

• 30:04Speaker 00

  So here's the thing that's interesting to me is that Industry did start to go. And then those guys did start to pop off. And then those guys started to become part of the All-Star lineups. And then all of a sudden, now the mainstream show or the, the All-Star show or whatever you call it, then now it's just a kind of normal show where like everybody's involved in it. And then that took, I think, some of the heat off of the black nights.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  I know, I think that they went to black nights and they didn't grab. They grabbed, who would say?

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I'm from Seattle. I see it all. I'm black, but in a wildly diverse and or heavily white area. You just see it. I just see it.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  So you think they were taking.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  You're telling me the crowds are there on Black Night.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Why aren't the cameras?

• 30:57Speaker 00

  I'm telling you or that?

• 30:58Speaker 01

  You just said it.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  I'm telling you what?

• 31:01Speaker 01

  For the last fifty years in comedy, let's go for as long as we could perform publicly.

• 31:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Who's been the top five grossing comics?

• 31:10Speaker 00

  Oh, I mean, yeah, no question, but like.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Well, no question of what?

• 31:13Speaker 00

  Who it's been like color wise?

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 31:17Speaker 00

  I mean, in the last few years, maybe it's different.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Facts. You hit the scene.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  Shane is also absolutely crushing it, you know.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  And all of that's fine, but I think.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  But yes, you're talking about Chappelle, right?

• 31:27Speaker 01

  First of all, everyone is welcome to do stand. I don't want to be like, oh, I'm a separate, I'm separated. I'm just, I'm saying, here's what I see.

• 31:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  And then I know my own journey.

• 31:38Speaker 00

  Well, pull it back even for because I think this is an interesting. So back in the day with the clubs on the road. There would be like a week in a month that they had like a quote unquote black comic come in.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 31:52Speaker 00

  From what I've been told, that weekend would pay for the rest of the weeks that the club is.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Never heard that before.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Wouldn't doubt it, though.

• 32:00Speaker 00

  Because the whole community would come out. And again, this is a community thing. Like you've seen it also with like Latinos, you've seen it with Asians. It's like when a community has representation, and I think one of the things that happens is like when whiteness is ubiquitous, you need to be like specific about your white. Like whiteness doesn't have a culture around. It has like, okay, here's like white nerd culture. Here's white angry at women culture. Here's white blue collar culture. Here's the, what were those guys that did like?

• 32:26Speaker 01

  It was called Blue Collar Comedy Tour.

• 32:27Speaker 00

  Blue Collar Comedy Tour, right? So it's like now you need to be like specifically niche within it. And I think that's also starting to happen with non-whites, which I think is very cool, right? Which is like, okay, here's a black nerd archetype, and I'm going to build a fan base around that. Here's the hood superstar. Here's the black like sophisticate, whatever. Like to me, this is the, what happens when something becomes bigger than just the niche group.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Right, but there's certain acts that are for everyone.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. But back in the day, it was like one black comic that would come to the club and the whole community would come out.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Trust me, I get it. But what I'm saying is in the black community, we don't get to have those different whatevers. You're just the black guy.

• 33:04Speaker 00

  But I think now that's starting to happen.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  You got on glasses.

• 33:07Speaker 00

  You don't see that?

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Oh, there's one got a book.

• 33:10Speaker 00

  You don't see?

• 33:12Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Get him on policy. Need a black Dimitri Moran.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Chocolate sundaes?

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Uh, basketball tournament?

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  This is a thing.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  But do you feel like it's changed at all? Or do you think like, like for me, like you're a perfect example of you building your own audience, people coming out, now you're doing these venues that like maybe would not be afforded to certain people 10 years ago, 20 years ago, they're in your position. And you're just proven through commerce that's basically like, they have to come to you if they want people to come to the club.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, but that's not my goal. I'm from a place that's very not black, right? Like my, like my crowds are 40, 40 and 20, black, white, and then other. Like I have very diverse crowds.

• 33:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Right? I can tell when a club puts me in the, let's market them urban, right?

• 34:01Speaker 00

  How, how, how?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, there's not enough ranch for the customers that are coming. That's first. I had to tell Gary Attenborough.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  It's facts. I had to tell Gary Attenborough, stop ordering chicken and order pepperoni pizza. He's like, yo, I'm so glad you called me and told me that because we were leaning into the chicken order. I said, the crowd's not gonna be all black. It affects everything.

• 34:27Speaker 00

  You don't even think about that, like, cause you own a club, so you get it now, right?

• 34:31Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, this is, I know it's hilarious, but that's.

• 34:34Speaker 00

  Got to order is so funny, cause I remember early in my career, my crowds were majority black, right? I was doing like damn TV shows and I was doing Brilliant Idiots with Charlamagne. And I remember having this moment every single weekend. It was my first time in a club.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  Where the owner or the manager would come to me and he'd basically be like, he'd say like, wow, there's a lot more black people than we thought, without saying that. And how do you say? He would, they'd say.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  It's diverse.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  Exactly, exactly.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Look at the diversity. They say the same thing to me, but they don't know how to say it because when people say diversity, it's white with other things added. Black with everything's added, it's a color diversity. That's just called, I guess y'all, welcome to the barbecue?

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Funny is funny, right? And what I saw was, my videos, if I'm interacting with Samoans or white people or gay couples.

• 35:29Speaker 00

  I like that pronunciation right there, the Samoans. Yeah, Samoans. Yeah, he's got everybody. He's outside. That's the bar of connection. He's outside. There's hella Asians. We call that the luau.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  But, because if you look on my page, I'm talking to everyone.

• 35:50Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Funny, I'm looking for the funny in your life, in your life, in every, so that's who's coming. Because you feel welcome if you see a video, go, oh, okay, he's not rashing gays, he's at least talking to us and having fun. You know what I mean?

• 35:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  And so, I'm inclusive in that sense. And so, it's a trip when I see that with me as being as inclusive as I am, how I can be marketed because somebody in their mind was like, he's black, run it black.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Bro, they're not used to it. It's just like, and it's something that...

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Who's not used to it?

• 36:19Speaker 00

  The clubs, I think.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  No, it's not that. It's just, they think it's the archetype.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  Well, why do they think it's the archetype?

• 36:25Speaker 01

  No, they're not used to me coming in, breaking what they thought was the mold. Facts. No, I can see every time. It's a part of our advance. We're like, just so you know.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  You're about to get, we have to.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  We have to have it in the advance.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  They're like, hey, there's gonna be not-black people here.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:40Speaker 00

  You have to say that.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yes, because it affects their liquor order.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Try having an Asian headliner and you don't, and you didn't order hella hennes.

• 36:47Speaker 00

  Whiskey, yeah, yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  You're screwed. You're like, what do you mean, you out of bottle?

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Business, this effect, like if people are paying, it affects it, right? So, I can tell when I come and do 13 shows with Brooklyn Improv, 98% black. Even my openers are like, what are they doing different? Because this is very, very black. I'm like, I know.

• 37:08Speaker 00

  What is the club doing different?

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  You think that they're promoting you specifically to black people?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. Because then I went and talked to the guy doing marketing, he was like, I mean, I mean, you know, who goes out to... Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 00

  And then, like, you're obviously furious because there's only black people there, right?

• 37:22Speaker 01

  No, people are coming to laugh, man. They're coming to laugh. But, but, if my crowds are normally 40, 40, and 20, and we did 13 shows with just black people.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  There's another 13 with white, and there's another 6 with non-whites of people missing.

• 37:38Speaker 00

  This is what we always said.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  I could have done a, I could have, I don't know, what's the garden hold?

• 37:44Speaker 00

  Uh, spend fifteen thousand, eighteen thousand to pay.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  I could have tiptoed up to the small configuration.

• 37:49Speaker 00

  You should do it. You should do it.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  We should. That way they know everyone's welcome.

• 37:55Speaker 00

  Listen, yeah, I mean, I think it's cool what you're doing. Like, it's weird. It's like, we're always the first people to know what our audience is and who we are.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 38:04Speaker 00

  And it's like, we can be annoyed at the club for not knowing it, but also like, they haven't experienced this type of thing in comedy, especially if you had a comedy club for like thirty years. They don't know what to think, right? I'm sure like, I'm sure when they first had Gary in some of these clubs, they're like, wait, what's going, there's all these black women in here? What, what? Like, there was no expectation of Gary to have that if they're not doing the research. And they do the research on you?

• 38:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, but look at the researches of his career now.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  It's because other is now even to the crowd he had this whole time.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  He's like doubled up.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  No, everybody, Gary, Gary Owen, by, if you, close your eyes, that's a black headliner. If you go off of the audience that's sitting there, if you walk out and had to guess who's performing, he's a black headliner. He's the host of Comic View.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Okay? Now, because of social media and the algorithm and stuff that he's done, that different people helped him do, and what he's built and the footwork, the algorithm doesn't look at him and say that same thing. The, the internet looks at the algorithm, goes, this is a white man. Send this stuff to white people.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  Right, so he's doubled that white audience with the black audience.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Lines, and it's, it's beautiful. The line is checkered all the way down.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Right? And same goes for, like a Joe Coy.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Hysterical.

• 39:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  But the internet, the algorithm is gonna send him to every nurse in the tri-state area.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Not just the Filipino ones.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  But that's because it is typecasting us. Whoever is at the place.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? And I can't get, you can't, there's no way to be like, hey, uh, Facebook marketing, when I say these interests, I don't mean the black people that are interested in that. Just let me just put, you know what I'm saying?

• 39:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna be running ads to people cauliflower fans.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  What, what is the key words for how we get to the white folks? Cause they like laughing at me. We share funny, we have a good time.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  But they look at it and they're like, oh, big black dude, no, put him over there. But I've always dealt with that. I won the Bay Area Black and they're like. What kind of black are you? I'm from Seattle.

• 40:11Speaker 00

  But what do you mean you won, you won a Bay Area black and who was like, what type of black are you?

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Memphis black people, Mississippi black people, Florida black people, New York black people are like, he a different kind of like, I went to Florida Memorial College as an undergrad, straight out of high school. It was my first time seeing more than two types of black people. Cause in Washington, you got, um, I moved here to raise my children, blacks. And then you got, look us, it is what it is. Those are the two blacks. Okay, I got to Florida.

• 40:48Speaker 00

  Tell us, tell us.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  I mean, it's accents. So then you know what I'm talking about, it's the Caribbean. I mean, I met, I met Trinidad. Tobago's, I met, I met Jamaicans, I met Jamaicans from New York, Jamaicans from Jamaica, and they had beef.

• 41:03Speaker 00

  We call it Oxtail.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  That's wild. I met Haitians.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  So that was the first time you met black people with an identity?

• 41:13Speaker 01

  I had a culture shock as a black man.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  But it's identity outside of American blackness. Cause that's what you're describing with people who have Caribbean heritage. Yeah, but their, their identity, it's like when you meet an Italian, they could be from Jersey, they could be from New York, but they have this identity that is outside of America and outside of being white in America. And the same thing exists when you meet a Nigerian that grew up here, Jamaican, et cetera. There's like this other culture that is framing their world, the way that they eat, the way that they interact, whether they speak. And when you're growing up in Washington, you didn't see a lot of it.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  What do you call an Italian from Italy?

• 41:46Speaker 00

  Gay, gay, gay guy. He's a gay guy, that's what we call them. Okay, the straight ones moved here and then they're out there making pasta. Uh, what do we call an Italian from Italy?

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, WAP.

• 42:02Speaker 00

  What do you call them? Sounds like Guinea or fucking Guinea.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  What ass pussy?

• 42:12Speaker 01

  So I think that like the fact that we have that in but that somebody on the outside is like, those are Italians.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  Well, that was the interesting thing that happened with Sebastian.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Do you get that?

• 42:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, on the outside I go, those are Italians.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  I would go, those are the Jamaicans and they're like Ross Klatt. Jamaica, Jamaica, New York, Jamaica. And then New York, New York, Jamaica, like South Side Jamaican, Queens.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Upstate Jamaica.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Canadian Jamaicans.

• 42:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  But to me, not knowing anything about the culture, I go, that's all the Jamaicans.

• 42:49Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Put them all over there. They can argue inside the truck, they can argue inside the building once they're there, what kind you are.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Okay. Italians, you, you, if you're familiar, you're like, that's a wet ass pussy one. And then this is a.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Jersey Italian.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Okay. Jersey Shore, that's different, right?

• 43:08Speaker 00

  Brooklyn Italian.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  That's different, they act different.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Okay, so, but I'm sure that's the Italians.

• 43:14Speaker 00

  No, but you know, like when you grow up in the city, you know that.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  If, that's why I said New York is the exception because you guys don't have a choice.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, you just.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  There are Hispanic Jews walking, you see people living other lifestyles, you gotta at least get familiar.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's wild though.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  So, but even then, there's different types of Jewish people.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Right?

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  But if you don't know, you're like, them the Jews.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  And they have to tell you like, well, no, I'm, I'm different kind of.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  I'm a Hasidic Jew.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a Haskanazi, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Okay. So if that's what it is, then, then please know it's the same thing for blacks.

• 43:47Speaker 00

  But you had.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  To be like, those are the blacks.

• 43:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  It's chocolate.

• 43:51Speaker 00

  Dominican blacks aren't even black.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  It's its effort to be like, I'm going to show that I'm not just with the blacks black. I'm going to go out of my way to go to the other nights. I'm gonna make a point to not just go where they tell me I'm welcome. I'm gonna go everywhere.

• 44:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  And the person that does that does sound, move, talk and walk different. Maybe it's their more cultured or whatever.

• 44:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  But they just do. Like, I see a cultural difference between Cat Williams and Chris Rock.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Hmm, yeah. Right? There's somebody pulling some strings that doesn't. They're blacks.

• 44:22Speaker 00

  You also didn't see it until you went to school in Florida.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 44:25Speaker 00

  So it's an education process.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Which I'm not knocking that, but I think.

• 44:29Speaker 00

  And you're the education process for a lot of these people.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  I'll take all of that, but if you own a comedy club for 30 years, if you're in the industry, there's no excuse.

• 44:37Speaker 00

  Well, there's also racism. I don't know.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  When you're asking for Friday, Saturday, and they're like, but you're black, we're gonna put you on Sunday.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday.

• 44:52Speaker 00

  You guys go during the week, you sell out the whole thing, and it pays for the whole month.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  The deals are different, too.

• 44:56Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 44:58Speaker 00

  You weren't just getting whole door, even when you did during the week? You.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Like, if I threw my own show?

• 45:03Speaker 00

  If you were doing like a weeknight, they would obviously give you the majority of the door.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  By the time I was eligible for door deals, yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 00

  But then you're doing weekends anyway, and then you just.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but there's some leapfrogging that happened with me and the internet, but I own a club. I own the biggest black-owned comedy club in America at 280 seats. I get the calls from the agents that are like, do you want this person? I wish I could say names so you would understand. They're like, here is African-American female beast for X amount. I'm like, that's doable. Also, if you have a weekend open for unknown, never heard of white guy, 85%.

• 45:44Speaker 00

  Interesting. And then what do you have to say?

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Are you out of your mind? You're paying her that and him that? Why wouldn't you be offering me his deal for her? That person has 30 years in comedy. That person is hysterical. That person, like, what's the difference?

• 46:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  And it's not even about asses and seats. You just got this person's 30-year career set up to be a half-papered forever?

• 46:08Speaker 00

  Wow, interesting. Even though that person's a draw, and you know that that person's gonna sell out no matter where they go.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  It's not about selling out at that point.

• 46:15Speaker 00

  I mean, for.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  The unknown white guy wasn't no draw. They're like, let's grow it together.

• 46:19Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. So even the way that they're marketing clients to you.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  You don't even know it.

• 46:24Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  People don't realize it. And that's what I'm saying. When I'm sitting here talking, I'm not, I could easily just be like, oh, man, he's all well-toed. Or I could literally be seeing this shit every day, and then when I go into the city and I see 100% black audience, I'm like, somebody missed something.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  My, uh.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Or if it's all white, I'm like, okay, we went too hard the other way.

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• 49:56Speaker 00

  Hearing this is refreshing, but it's just interesting, like my trajectory with the with the business.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  He came before they were defining what pocket to put you in.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  That's the thing. And it's so it's like.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  You know what I found out?

• 50:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Matt arrived, you were his, you were his impetus. He saw you posting the videos and he was like, I'm gonna do that.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  He was mine. He came to my club and he didn't sell one year and the next year he did. And then he was, I said, what did you do? He was like, get on TikTok. That was it. That's the rest on me. But so, thank you. Who was yours? Who's, who's this, who's the start of this? Let's film ourselves and put it online. Did you see someone do something?

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Russ. Russ, the musician.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Really? I thought you were gonna say Russell Peters.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  No, I mean, shout out Russell Peters. And Russell Peters gave me a glimpse. So like, early in the career, it was basically like, I wanted to make it through like the traditional ways or whatever, get a premium blend, get a fucking Comedy Central half hour, all those things. I was never, you know, given any of those opportunities and like.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Me too, but they wouldn't put me on the channel.

• 51:01Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  If I go on black entertainment television.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  So I couldn't even get on that.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:07Speaker 00

  Well, I did. I got on MTV2, which was basically black MTV2. They just didn't want to say it like that. But and it was awesome. And we got all these crazy things. And then I did the pod with Charlamagne and Charlamagne is just the fucking man. And like, you know, all of this is downstream from him, by the way. And but like, I, you know, I was able to kind of build up a little audience online. And then there were some maybe residual of the MTV stuff, but I was never like really selling out with the MTV stuff.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:30Speaker 00

  Tried to do one more shows like for Vice or something. I was like, if this shit don't work out, I'm putting everything online. And I put out a special that I couldn't sell anywhere online. And then the next weekends, I like sold out a club, but it was like paper sellout.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Either way, they came.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Bro, you know, back in the day, if the room is full.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  I moved the needle and plus the people don't know anyway.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  They don't, they don't know.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  They have no idea.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  They're the only ones.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Five, three.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  They're the only ones that think that they didn't pay.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Each one is like, I got a deal.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  Exactly. So I put it out and then I saw Russ doing this thing where he put out a song a week.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  I saw that too.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  And I was like.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  I don't know how long his run was, but he was on it.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  He was on it.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  And I was like, I'm not working hard enough. So I started putting, I was like, I'm gonna do 52 weeks of comedy. And for every week, I put out a new clip and I was just cutting them myself a lot.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  Same.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  It was just like.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  And captioning was a bitch.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  I didn't, so I, at first I didn't understand captioning and then we figured out the idea was basically like, most people are watching this shit on the subway or, or the bus. So they can't put it loud. You know, they can't have the volume on unless they're Puerto Rican.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  I'm like, they're sneaking at work. I figure they're sneaking at work.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  More sneaking at work. So I'm like, okay, we need to at least engage them. So, so it was other things that we started to like find, you know, different things. Some things happened by accident. Like when we were doing the turn your phone videos, we just didn't want to re-edit the whole shit vertical. So we were just like, turn your phone. And it was so funny, like the way that people reacted. They were like, they found an engagement hack. When you turn your phone, you can't scroll. And we were like, oh yeah, that's what we did. But anyway.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  I thought that was so ingenious.

• 53:00Speaker 00

  That was, that was Mark and I and, and Alex and just like, just locked in a fucking room and shout out Robbie Slovick. But like, we just put out, we just put out content and then things started to build and it built in the coolest way because it just sent it to people who fuck with the comedy.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Were you telepomped in for those?

• 53:15Speaker 00

  For when I did the turn your phone?

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Had to be. It was just too.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  I was like, how big is this motherfucker's brain? I was sitting on my toilet like, God damn, he said a lot of words.

• 53:27Speaker 00

  Very small brain. But yeah, it was like, anyway, putting the stuff out there and then all these different people got to access the content. So when I did hit the road, it wasn't this like, hey, let's build this act together like they used to, you know, kind of like pitch the clubs back in the day. We were able to get people in.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  They still do it. But then you got diversity right away.

• 53:47Speaker 00

  But so I.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  You got the internet that's like, I like this guy.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  Exactly, yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  And I hate to say it, but the internet doesn't see color unless we literally make an effort.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  We force them to.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:57Speaker 00

  And if you don't force them to, everybody's just gonna come to your stuff.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Cause you're, they're watching it all in private.

• 54:02Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  And even if, even if you're a little old white lady and your whole community, there's no black people.

• 54:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  In that, would you get in the right algorithm, you're like, this is my thing. So then when that person's coming to town, here's a little white lady at a, at a show where you were like, wait. Okay, I did a show in a theater, they had another theater, William Shatner was there.

• 54:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  The, the, the staff was like, literally couples were coming up and they're like, you guys going to see William Shatner?

• 54:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're like, wow.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys go, like, my manager's assistant dad and his girlfriend came. These are like really old white, they just came up and they just started guiding them to William Shatner.

• 54:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Like through both lobbies, all right, where are you sitting?

• 54:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  They're like, uh, we're here for Nate Jackson, like, really? Oh, well, go back that way, follow the blacks. Like that, like, and so that's the most genuine form of it.

• 54:58Speaker 00

  I agree, but what I am concerned with a little bit is like, now that there's so much content on the internet, not just stand up, in an effort to get it to the right people, the algorithm gets more sophisticated. And then I think you lose a little bit of the diversity, like the algorithm doesn't take a chance like it used to. Where they would just send a clip that you did to Filipinos that got nothing to do with Filipinos. But they're like, ah, they like stand up, so they'll probably like this thing. Now I think it's getting so specific that it might send it to the exact group of people they think will like it. And then you lose a little of this cool flavor of somebody experienced something that had nothing to do with them that they actually enjoy.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  So I'm like, there's a little part of me that goes like, does everything just become heightened in a specific niche, especially in this time?

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:46Mark Gagnon?

  Are you noticing the same thing?

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:48Mark Gagnon?

  You put out a lot of.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I put out like forty, I don't know, I think I'm, I'm putting out something between probably three hours and something between three and four hours of material a month.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  It's going out, yeah.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  Bro, it's, the volume is.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  And so I know it's getting niched off.

• 56:06Speaker 00

  Right.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  You get what I'm saying?

• 56:07Speaker 00

  You feel it, right?

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I make an effort to be like.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  We're posting the fishing video. We're posting the video with the amputee. We're posting the video with the gay couple like.

• 56:21Speaker 00

  Oh, interesting. So you're.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  I literally have to come out and be like.

• 56:24Speaker 00

  Fighting back against where the algorithm wants to send you.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  I'm paying attention to what the internet's doing and I'm adjusting my set.

• 56:32Speaker 00

  That's interesting.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Which is what we all do, right? Like you saw. I sat down on stage. I used to, I'm very physical. I was the biggest physical guy. Big old, just running around, me and akin to like a Rodney Perry. And then I ran out of the video. I ran out of the damn screen. I ran off camera. Two, three times, like, let me sit my fat ass down. So then I sat on the stool and that's why they're like, does he even stand up? Right? Cause I didn't have people. I just had a tripod. I set it in the back. I ran off and when nobody was there to be like, get back between those lines. Now it's different, but I, yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  And remember those days and you got the tripod, the tripod in the back? Half the clip got like a server's ladder there and she ain't even serving. She's just like watching the show. You can't be upset.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  In the way.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  The people laughing and the camera shaking.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  You know, like this is, but this was at a different time in the internet where like rough things were really valued. Because people thought that they were almost stealing. They're like, I get to watch stand up for free. I can only watch that on HBO. I can only watch that on Comedy Central. And then we were serving. Yeah. Not to get caught up in nostalgia, but like there is a beauty to the roughness of it. You know, I always think about like, how do we bring in a version of that back where it feels heightened, but it has that intimacy of the early days?

• 57:53Speaker 01

  I thought of a couple of ways.

• 57:55Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Stop bagging up phones and encouraging the film.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  Bro.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  I. I want you guys to start filming when you leave home.

• 58:06Speaker 01

  Film from the house, like make it a, make a vlog. And I want to see it from your little dirty angle with the fat guy's ear in your shot and all that like. You're just getting it out, like it's, you know, you know, cause we're, we're, we're, we're doing table kills. Like you'll take, take that table out, that table out, put the tripod right there. There is no way someone's in the way. But if you're like, just like getting gully where they're like, you take, but. And you guys all airdropping to this MacBook before you leave and then you got this wild footage from all over.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  Aren't, aren't you worried about losing material? Cause I know you're doing a lot of crowd work, but like.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  I don't know. That's the conversation we have a lot. I don't, I don't post jokes. I don't, but I have like my set right now, I'm trying, I'm trying to get it back down, but. It's, I'm doing like 88 minutes on average right now.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  And so there's like 35, 40 of, of just, I just come out on they ass, pause.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  Now they.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  And then, and then I'll open it up to crowd work.

• 59:03Speaker 00

  But are they, so basically whatever you give people is their expectation for you. So if you give people crowd work, they're gonna go, okay, this whole show is gonna be crowd work.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Well, they're for sure online being like, all he does is crowd work. And people are like, go to a show. It's way more.

• 59:16Speaker 00

  No, I'm saying when they show up.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've had that too.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  And are they upset when they don't see it initially?

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Cause they get it.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  The jokes, it's not like, it's not like me doing my material keeps it here and then I go, all right, crowd work. And then we come up here.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  Your material is conversational in the same way.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  I'm ripping. I am sweating wet, wiping my brow. And then I'm like, are you motherfuckers ready for some crowd work? After that, then they're like, oh, like the other night a guy was like, nigga, that wasn't a crowd work. But he didn't even realize, I'm just, I'm just, I came out.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm trying to, that's that hunger, that young, you know, when you're like, I gotta kill, I gotta kill. I still have that. And now it's a chip to where I'm like, okay, y'all think the, the crowd work is, how can that possibly be better than something I looked at twice?

• 59:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Also, how can it be raw? Like if, if it's the second time I said it, I'm trying to channel. How I said it so that it felt as authentic the first time.

• 1:00:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Crowd work is the most authentic, purest form of standup, period. Otherwise you're just, you're, you're just, you're a teleprompter.

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Do you get what I'm saying?

• 1:00:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I, the, the pushback, the pushback I would say is that like. I don't think that a joke you really believe in and care about is inauthentic.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  I think that recreating that.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  But I wouldn't say that's pushback. I'd say that's just a different conversation.

• 1:00:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  If we're talking about material, bet.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Like you're talking, like, let's say the material is about your father, right? Like, how can that be inauthentic?

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:00:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  But if you talk to somebody and right there, they tell you they have Alzheimer's and then you are pulling from your.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course, of course.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  What you know about it and.

• 1:00:55Speaker 00

  I think people not crowd work and I don't think it's fair. I think that, I think there's a lot of frustration around comics who maybe they don't. They, there's one, a lot of shitty crowd work out there, but there's also a lot of shitty just jokes out there.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Speaker 00

  But like, I also think that there's a lot of comics who like, they just don't feel inclined to talk to the audience. They're really not curious about the audience and they don't, they're maybe not good at it, but they see crowd work as the way to succeed. So there's like a little resentment maybe for it. But I think if you're, if you're genuinely curious about the audience and you enjoy the interaction.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  You shouldn't shy away from it, like because some people are being critical of it. I feel the same way about impressions, like some people like hate impressions. They're like, it's not stand up. It's cool, but it's not a joke. But then there's some people that do impressions that have jokes built into it brilliantly. And you're like, that's unbelievable. So I just think there's levels to all these different styles of com.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  People are gonna get money.

• 1:01:46Mark Gagnon?

  People are upset or frustrated by crowd work just because they see so many clips of that. Like those are the clips that people are putting out more than their actual.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  Cause that's what you can recreate. You can't put the four hours of jokes out every week.

• 1:01:57Mark Gagnon?

  So now people are just like, oh, this is what everybody does now.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Well, I'm, that's what I was tempted to do. Cause like I, I like how Josh Johnson is like, I'm gonna focus on this one thing and lock in.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  It's unbelievable.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  And just pen game it. It's all good. He has to have a writer's table. I don't give a fuck.

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  I don't think Josh does.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  I'm sure it's all him, but I'm just talking shit. But I'm just, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like on what flight did you write that hour?

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  Well, here's what he has that you don't have is autism. And that allows you to lock in and put the pen to paper for seven straight days. Put an hour of new material about it. It's unbelievable.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were asking like, yeah, how do you do it? And he was like, that's just all I think about.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  He, he told us.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  He just literally focuses.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  I just spent the whole week working on it.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  He, he also said he has like memory tricks to remember it. Like he was like, I create these like memory loops in my brain.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  He's like, I'll think of a word that's the first letter of each chunk and I go through the word and hit all the letters, da, da, da, da.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  Oh, like mnonically?

• 1:02:54Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  So he'll do a set list. It's, um, cars, women.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Turtles and he memorizes CWT.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Something like that.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  People do that for scripts too.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah.

• 1:03:09Speaker 00

  And he's got a script that he gotta remember every week.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  But even when I'm like breaking down sides and stuff or about to go acting to a scene and it's I'll take the most powerful word from each whatever, each block and then I'll remember it.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  You need triggers.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  It's miraculous. There's somebody out there that goes, another black.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Should we rip some feelings off facts?

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

  Yes, let's rip some feelings off facts.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Have you seen the enhanced games? People online are panning it. But basically it is a.

• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  Do you know what it is, the enhanced game?

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  I just bought stock in it.

• 1:03:47Speaker 00

  Did you really?

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Are you shitting me?

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  No, not good.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  I did it.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  Not good. I mean, it's just like a, they're just trying to pump up peptides, right? Like that's all it is.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  That's not peptides.

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  Well, they're trying to get people to, what I imagine is, is like the people who are owning the enhanced games are also like deeply invested in all these pharmaceuticals that like help you.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Is that today?

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's in the red, my boy.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Hey, I don't know.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  How much has that dropped though?

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Forty percent.

• 1:04:12Speaker 00

  Oh, just forty.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but what's the monetary value of it?

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  Uh, right now it's trading at, what is that, like three dollars?

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  Three dollars and eighteen cents?

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  I should buy more right now.

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  Buy the dip. For anyone that doesn't know, this is an Olympics that is basically.

• 1:04:28Speaker 00

  You can use steroids.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, enabling and accepting.

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  But you can't really use steroids. So there's all these restrictions in it. Like your testosterone can't be over two thousand, like, because there's liability. Like if you just get juice to the gills and someone dies, then it's on you. You can't even use BPP, uh, what is it, BPC one fifty seven? So there's all these peptides you can't even use.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  And then the worst thing that could have possibly happened is the dude that didn't use any steroids in one of the swimming races won.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  That also happened with the sprinter as well.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  So it's like, what you want is a guy who just ran in high school to get on juice?

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's what we watched. I say the opposite. So you got a bunch of average Joes juiced up, keeping up with a pure athlete? Like this guy was just on his couch two weeks ago.

• 1:05:10Speaker 00

  But these guys aren't average Joes. These guys are elite guys that lost to a dude that's not even on steroids.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  So they're elite as well?

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  But what made them elite?

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  They're like former Olympians or they're like.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Like this guy was a former Olympian.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  But the drug, look at all that meat I come off his back. That's drugs.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the drugs.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Right. And without that, but imagine what he would look like without any of that muscle mass. Just an accountant.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  No, because he was an Olympian before all that muscle mass.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. What, what colors below bronze? Azul?

• 1:05:41Speaker 00

  I guess the point is, is like.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  He won though.

• 1:05:44Speaker 00

  Did this guy win?

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Uh, I can't, I don't know specifically.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, he won like a porpoise.

• 1:05:51Mark Gagnon?

  No, I don't like the fact that they're putting limitations on this shit. Like just let us go.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  You can't.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  Because they'll die. Like all these weightlifting dudes die at 40.

• 1:05:59Mark Gagnon?

  So we watch UFC fights.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Sammy Sosa is white now, bro. Like they get carried.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  I think that's a before and after.

• 1:06:06Mark Gagnon?

  But I'm just saying, we watch, we watch.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  He went from Deadpool to this?

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  So Fred Curley ran 100 meter in 9.97.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  I saw that. But how old is this guy? How old was he in the picture on the left? Cause that says 20, isn't that 2008? What, what is that behind it? Which Olympics is this?

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  I don't know which one that is. I can find out though.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  He looks a lot older in the face on the right.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean steroids will do that a little bit.

• 1:06:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Steroids age you.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Now, he's only six months different. I'd be like, okay, touche.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  But the, the claim was that these were going to smash all the records. And I think this guy even said that like, yo, give me a million bucks. I'll juice to the gills and I'll break the record.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  Well, that was the thing. If you break a record, you get a million bucks. I think a couple of guys might've did it or like one guy did.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  There was one swimmer that did it, I think with the swimsuit that was banned in 2008.

• 1:06:55Speaker 00

  So that's not even you.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  And so it's not nationally, it's not recognized by any governing body, even the ones that would acknowledge a steroid one.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  They're like, well, the swimsuit plus the steroids and then he just beat it.

• 1:07:05Speaker 00

  So I was talking to his trainer. He basically said, the problem is, is like the elite, elite guys don't get that much benefit from steroids. Because they're already genetic freaks.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Now we're saying the same thing.

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, whereas like the regular guys like us, if we got on juice, maybe we get closer to those guys not on juice.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  You're still seeing shoulder blades and butt cheeks, but you're way closer to Usain Bolt.

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Right, and I think even the people in like the 100 meter, for example, like he ran a 9.97, Usain Bolt was like a 9.5 something or something like that. But I think like the high school Texas state championship would have still beat this guy.

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  So it's like.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, but.

• 1:07:43Speaker 00

  Give me better steroids, guys.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Exactly, but also now people are saying that the regular Olympics, this is an allegation, is also the steroid Olympics.

• 1:07:52Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  Without getting caught.

• 1:07:54Speaker 00

  Yes, you get off, what is it, they say you start the cycle and you get off of it within enough time where it doesn't come up in any samples.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  They try to test.

• 1:08:03Mark Gagnon?

  It's not like boxing that they can just test them randomly?

• 1:08:05Speaker 00

  I don't think they test all year, so they stay out of the testing pool and then there's like a, you know, few months or whatever it is like. Now, these guys are all always in a tournament if you're doing it, but the Olympics is once every four years. So there's probably a way to get as juiced up as possible, get it out the system, and then when you're in the Olympics, you're already on it.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  So people are saying this is the, the Olympics is like the enhanced games with the most elite athletes, whereas the enhanced games is the second tier most elite athletes with steroids. You know, like.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  So they're like, hey, we're just telling you we're enhanced.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  The Olympics is enhanced.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly, that's what people are saying. So they're like, the Olympics is already the enhanced games. And this is kind of proving that to some people, then other people are going the other way saying, nah, this proves that steroids doesn't do anything in the face of elite athletes.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  That's silly. You can look at a person on roids and be like, golly, those changes. It does something.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, it makes you look amazing.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:59Speaker 00

  But the enhanced game isn't who looks the best.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  But I think people are saying.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  Which I get, but we're taking average people and turning them into monsters and then letting them go out there with gifted people.

• 1:09:09Speaker 00

  Well, they're not even average. These people are like Olympic competitors.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  No, they were. That guy is way younger on the left than he is now. Like, I would love to see the difference in age. Plus, the Olympics, you train four years, if not eight, or your whole entire life. And this seems like they're like, hey, man, we're about to do enhanced games in six months. Get your needles.

• 1:09:31Speaker 00

  They gotta just do it with us. They have to take people who are at most high school athletes and then pump them full of shit and see how competitive they can be.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  And I think some of them are still happy with this. So like the dude, Curly, I forgot his name, Eric, Fred Curly. Like, I think for a regular event, he might win like 20 grand if he wins 100 meter, whatever. He, I think he won like 250,000.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  He did.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  So even for him, to not break a world record, to just show up and beat everyone at these enhanced games, he's still got a crazy payday. So for him, he's like, yeah, I'll do it.

• 1:10:00Speaker 00

  Where's his, where's his air?

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  No, it was completely private.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  He was invite only.

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  So how the fuck did he make money?

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  This is why I bet, I was like, I'm betting that, because as soon as they have tickets for sale, I'm, who wouldn't want to go see a human pterodactyl doing gymnast stuff?

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  And then people were even saying that this dude started like sinking the water, I'm pretty sure. Like, that was like what people like

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  He wasn't buoyant?

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  That saw, yeah, because he's like so muscle down. Like, he was jumping in the water and like sinking. So to a certain extent, like, all this extra muscle mass might be

• 1:10:29Speaker 00

  It hurts you.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  A detriment when it comes to like moving through the water.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. But if they figure out the right regimen for a swimmer, it's over with.

• 1:10:37Speaker 00

  Unless they've already figured it out. That's what they do in the Olympics.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Interesting. Maybe.

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  What else we got?

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  Okay, there's a, there's a couple other things right here. Hold on, let me pull this up. There's a, a guy on Fox News that was allegedly wearing a mask.

• 1:10:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  I saw that.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Did you see this?

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  I think the neck was loose.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Here, I'll pull it up right here. This is a

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  But why are we saying allegedly? We all saw the neck.

• 1:11:02Speaker 00

  Well, well, he wasn't wearing a mask.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Well, it's difficult to say. So this is the, the clip that went viral.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Does he have the smoking thing?

• 1:11:09Speaker 07

  He's in the position to demand those. So I think in that sense, he controls the narrative and when he would strike.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  So you see the neck part here?

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Saying that's a skin flap?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  So you see, people see this video, plus they also see Fox News having a history of bringing on people that might not be the people that they're interviewing. So like, there's been a bunch of clips where it's like, former Antifa member talks about how they're gonna destroy cities, and it's just like a dude with a mask.

• 1:11:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  And they're like, oh, this is just like an actor, someone that they brought in to like-

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, to like, talk crazy shit. So that's what the whole allegation is, and everyone's kind of run with the story that this is a guy wearing a very realistic mask. But now people have come out, specifically this guy, uh, Dr. Dis- or Captain Disillusionment. He says this is called like a double shadow. This guy rules, by the way, if you ever watch his YouTube videos.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Disillusioned?

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Dr. Disillusion breaks down a lot of stuff on the internet. He's very cool. So he's saying that you have lighting in the studio coming from above, that creates this. Lighting coming from below that creates that. And then, in certain effects, when you put them together, it will create a shadow from his neck, from the collar on his shirt.

• 1:12:16Speaker 00

  Onto his neck.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Fuck all that. Let's go back?

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  And-

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  Mask, bro.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  It's probably a white table. Hmm.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  And people are saying that's a shadow coming from the bottom of a shirt, interfering with the shadow coming from the top.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  Nope. If he had eyebrows, maybe, but no.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Right, that's a lizard.

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, he might be a lizard, bro.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  It doesn't help that he looks like a mask, anyway.

• 1:12:37Speaker 00

  It is, and they didn't even finish it. Like, they didn't give him hair, they didn't give him any sort of like, yeah, not a single wrinkle. The guy's 70 years old, like, there are other issues with this, 100%.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  That's not shadows, man, it's too, it's too crispy.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  Right? So this is what people have been on, online, debating.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  But I don't know.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  He sounds like he's wearing a mask.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  Like, those are new lips, that's how it sounds.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  But now-

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  The only thing that, that makes me think it isn't, is that if you were wearing a mask, you would have a turtleneck on. Like, you wouldn't unbutton 3 buttons, cuz you know you're wearing a fucking mask.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  He's supposed to be buttoned up. Somebody's like, we gotta mic you up, and it has to be outside of your thing, and he's just like-

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. And he's like, well, I'm a rat. So, how do you want to navigate this?

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:13:27Speaker 02

  But it seems like this is an obvious mistake, that even if you're running some type of psy-op to cover someone up, I'm like, I feel like you would, you would fix that.

• 1:13:33Speaker 00

  Unless that's what they want us to think, Mark.

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  That's a mistake. That's a, that's a mask.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  So you're saying a mask?

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  That's definitely a mask.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  I'm not, I'm not convinced, I think it could be a double shadow.

• 1:13:42Mark Gagnon?

  Did Epstein kill himself also?

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  And then go viral?

• 1:13:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Hey, it's not me.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  This guy's not had eyebrows since 2011. I'm trying to find an old photo.

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, you always find a good one.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  He got his knack in 2011, though?

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  Okay, Thomas Massie loses his seat in Congress. I don't know if you saw this.

• 1:14:01Speaker 00

  Nate, what do you think about that?

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  I don't know what we're talking about.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  Well, there's this guy who was basically saying like, we should expose all the people that were, you know, involved in the Epstein stuff. And he's like, why are we going into this war in Iran? And he's like, why are we ballooning the budget? And then people were like, that guy seems like an asshole. We shouldn't vote for him.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  He was a whistleblower, basically?

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  Not even. He was just proponent for Epstein transparency.

• 1:14:27Mark Gagnon?

  And he just went against Trump's agenda.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Where?

• 1:14:30Speaker 00

  In Kentucky.

• 1:14:31Mark Gagnon?

  Kentucky.

• 1:14:32Speaker 00

  It wasn't even, it was a primary. It wasn't even the main election.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:36Speaker 00

  So they just brought this guy out of nowhere. I've never even heard of this other guy, Ed Gellerin or something like that.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. Ed's whole thing was like, yeah, let's not expose anything about Epstein and let's send your kids to diner on and let's balloon the budget. And then people in Kentucky were like, that guy sounds like an American dude. Like, that's, that's, that's a real patriot.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. And Trump kind of blew up this whole thing in like a small local election in Kentucky into like this national news story. And used his leverage to get him out.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  And all these lobbyist groups spent fucking millions of dollars.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  You brought national?

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trump was going hard being like, we gotta get Massey out of here.

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  Because Massey is a Republican but votes against the party a lot.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  Oh, well, yeah. I think that's what time it is.

• 1:15:13Speaker 00

  He votes against the party in, in times where he should.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  But they don't, they don't want, he doesn't want anybody to be pushing for.

• 1:15:21Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  So, yeah, where I can get you out, I get you out.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  But they just spent so much money. They spent 30 million dollars on this fucking.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  In the little primary in Kentucky.

• 1:15:29Speaker 00

  In a primary, not even the main election, for who's gonna be the Republican candidate.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's insane.

• 1:15:34Speaker 00

  And his groups, they got nothing to do with it.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  I don't like that. The PACs don't even have nothing to do with Kentucky.

• 1:15:38Speaker 00

  All the PACs. And the PACs aren't even, they're not even pushing the agenda of the PAC. They're just being like, yeah, this guy's an asshole.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  I didn't, I, ah, I, what I think is interesting is like if I'm gigging and I'm like in a place, I will actually like be exposed to it to see how ridiculous it is. But like now it just sounds, this just sounds crazy shady to me.

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  Hmm, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  So now people are very disillusioned, like anyone that had any semblance of hope where like they're looking at a Thomas Massie like a rocon and being like, these guys are fighting the good fight.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  The second they do it.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  He's more dangerous now, though.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  What do you mean by that?

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Because you, you, now, now he's his own, he's his own boss.

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  That's not his boss anymore.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  That's, that's.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  By way of, by way of how politics is set up, he can make way more noise outside of politics.

• 1:16:24Speaker 00

  Keep talking his shit without the restrictions of the.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Martin Luther King Jr. Wasn't no senator.

• 1:16:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  He was Malcolm X.

• 1:16:29Mark Gagnon?

  And people say he's gonna run in 28 for president.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, he'd be way more agitating if you're not in the system.

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  Hmm, that's interesting. That's a good point. And he's like, seems like successful on his own right, like before politics.

• 1:16:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, he went to like MIT.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Went to MIT, started and sold his own tech company, independently wealthy.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Now he can really focus on agitating.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Right? Like, he was doing his job and being the agitator. Now, just agitate.

• 1:16:53Speaker 00

  Just agitate. And you got the information because you were on the inside. Like you knew who the Epstein client list was. I heard him say he was gonna say it before he left, which would be fire.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, his final day.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  He said he was gonna say, he was gonna drop the bomb before he left. He'd be like, Jesse Handler was there.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said on his final day, he's gonna like out it all, because he's also in all these closed hearings, like hearing all the real shit. That like, I think he went through all the unredacted files and all that stuff.

• 1:17:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  So it'd be interesting to see.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Light it up, man, light it up.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  Uh, Colbert officially had his final episode.

• 1:17:26Speaker 00

  Did you watch?

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  No, not when it was ever.

• 1:17:32Speaker 00

  Did you ever do a late night?

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:17:34Speaker 00

  Was that ever a dream of yours?

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  I've like my own late night show.

• 1:17:38Speaker 00

  Oh, but that's different. Did you ever want to do like five minutes as a comedian?

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Speaker 00

  And who was your goal growing up? Like, what did you want to do that five minutes on?

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Well, I was watching, you know, Johnny, because I was just a kid in the.

• 1:17:49Speaker 00

  How old were you watching Johnny?

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  We watched reruns. You don't watch reruns this time?

• 1:17:53Mark Gagnon?

  Reruns of late night?

• 1:17:54Speaker 00

  No, Carson was a different thing. So I've watched, I've watched clips.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  It's a phenomenon. Like, you could do five minutes on his show, and if he says, come over to the couch, the next day, everything is different.

• 1:18:04Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really?

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  Because there's no, there was four channels.

• 1:18:06Speaker 00

  And there was like 25 million people watching every episode.

• 1:18:09Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:18:09Speaker 00

  I think when he got married. They filmed it or something like that. I think it got like 50 million people. The last episode got 50 million people. That's like a quarter of the country at the time.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:19Speaker 00

  Like, these are insane numbers.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  That's like, that's like small数able numbers.

• 1:18:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  But, um, no, I wanted to do, um, Fallon.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Just so I can rock out with like The Roots or something after.

• 1:18:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  Pretty inviting. I don't know.

• 1:18:34Speaker 00

  You can sing too.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, not now though.

• 1:18:37Speaker 00

  Why? What happened?

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  I just lost my voice yelling 13 shows.

• 1:18:41Speaker 00

  Oh, not now meaning this day.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

  But like your vocal cords aren't fucked up forever or nothing.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  Turned to RFK.

• 1:18:48Speaker 00

  I saw some clips.

• 1:18:53Speaker 00

  No, I saw a clip of you when you were singing and like you actually have a great voice.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I grew up in.

• 1:18:57Speaker 00

  Did you grow up in a church?

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Mm, tenor.

• 1:18:59Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I could sing. I have two songs I put out.

• 1:19:03Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. They're both about pretty much eating coochie, but. One's, one of them's got, I got features. One of them's got, um, Too Short and Zero, uh, from Texas, and then the other one has Twista. And so I was like, I should keep going. Cause it is possible to be a number one. You can make a number one. Lou Duvall.

• 1:19:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I was just gonna say, is this like fun comedic songs like Duvall?

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  No, I'm talking about seriously eating coochie. But not to rap like, just see, like this is called Beat It Up.

• 1:19:33Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  Can't play that in church.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Beat up that lord. Beat up that devil. Uh, but yeah, so the other one's called The Cookie Monster Remix, but we don't have to make this.

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• 1:22:28Speaker 00

  Were you inspired by Duval coming up?

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  I'm inspired by everybody coming up.

• 1:22:32Speaker 00

  Everyone?

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:34Speaker 00

  There wasn't a single person that didn't inspire you?

• 1:22:36Speaker 01

  Okay. But I find inspiration in that too. Like I honestly.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  With me owning the club and even running nights or whatever, like I see people that have like, where the vices have taken over their brains.

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  And I'm like, inspiration.

• 1:22:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, don't do that.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  So I would, exactly.

• 1:22:53Speaker 00

  But Duval did your club, right?

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, two or three times.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:57Speaker 00

  Duval is a huge inspiration for me, like, big OG for me. Like, he's another person that I should have brought him up around.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  But when were you with him?

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  I mean, the God Code days. I've known Duval forever.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  Oh, facts.

• 1:23:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, so.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  No, I, I, like, I fucks with him, like.

• 1:23:10Speaker 00

  He was the guy to me that I saw doing comedy on the internet, like, Russ, Russ did the model, but he did comedy on the internet.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  He was like the soldier boy for comedy.

• 1:23:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, like, he just knew audience and knew how to get things out to people, knew how to communicate with the audience constantly.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  And still does.

• 1:23:27Speaker 00

  Still does brilliantly.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  I think he just throws a bunch of shit against the wall because he's just high and having fun. And then I'm, but every now and then, I don't know if I have anything to do with it, or if he's already masterminded this shit, but like, how he's sitting there squatting in front of that waterfall right now, and then, like, a couple months back, he just did one fuck around, and I was like, more of this, then throw your own camp vlog now.

• 1:23:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  And now it looks like it's happening.

• 1:23:49Speaker 00

  But he's been doing it camp Duval for, for a while.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, but it didn't feel like that.

• 1:23:54Speaker 00

  Well, he didn't get that property until recently.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  Right, but, hmm, either way, I'm a fan of it. I'm a fan of, of, you know, uh, being your own boss.

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, he's, he's flying little, he has his own little planes and all that stuff.

• 1:24:07Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Speaker 00

  He flew to your show. Yeah, he came when we were doing Jacksonville.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:13Speaker 00

  He came, but like, just his, his understanding of the game, like, he may be, he one of the smartest people I've ever met in terms of just like, understanding human condition.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:24:22Speaker 00

  And like, pure absorption, right? It's not like he got the chance to go to some fucking like, fancy school where you just study it all day. Like, he literally watches people and like, sees through them.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:24:34Speaker 00

  What they actually want, no matter what they say, like, what they actually want. And he's just, uh, yeah, he's just a genius, man. He's just a fucking genius. He's just, yeah.

• 1:24:46Speaker 07

  And I leave you my number and you better call a nigga today. As a matter of fact, you just give me yours too. And bitch, I call you. Spell you bitch, cause who you think you just miss ladies? Google written on my phone and I don't bought them drinks. Bitch, you is my girlfriend. I don't wanna hear that shit. But you just came up to have a nice time out in just here.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Oh, what a ledge. Genius. That's so funny.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, he came twice and what I thought was the most, he did something really dope, right? Cause he came from Florida, he brought like Erica Duchess, Nod. And I didn't realize that none of them had seen snow. So he got like a rental car and they drove to Mount Rainier.

• 1:25:40Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  And it was like our, it was like spring or summer. And he posted a video of them throwing snowballs. I'm like, where the fuck did he go? Where did he go to find snow? He went to it, he went to the mountain like, that shit white, let's go to it.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  Duval can find snow anywhere, he figures it out.

• 1:25:54Speaker 00

  Dude, he's like, he's always like the most traveled dude.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, very much so.

• 1:25:58Speaker 00

  Like he's everywhere before it's hot. Like when he stops going, that's when it will get hot.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  Like it's, yeah, like every vacation I go on, he's always there before. And you can never like surprise him with a location.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I was there and they got some really good chicken wings.

• 1:26:15Speaker 00

  That's the other thing, he eats fast food whenever he travels.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  And like, we were doing like some MTV awards. Cause he can trust it.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:21Speaker 00

  Like, and I'm like, we're in Germany, dude. Why don't we just go have some fucking German food? He goes, man, I don't trust this shit. And I'm like, dude, we're not in fucking Thailand. Like this is Germany. Literally everyone on the crew, except him, got sick.

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  See?

• 1:26:33Speaker 00

  And he was like at McDonald's like, listen, I know, I travel. This is good for you guys.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:38Speaker 00

  I know what happens out here.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, but what I thought was the dopest part of it wasn't that he just went and found snow. It's that I knew he was cultured enough.

• 1:26:47Speaker 00

  Oh, to go look for it.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  He's the snowboards.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  No, it was that he wanted to show his openers that.

• 1:26:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Like he took a whole day, spent whatever. Y'all get in the car, I want y'all, y'all gonna see what, and Nod's country have like, god damn it, you men, you screw you homie. My goddamn daughter.

• 1:27:05Speaker 07

  She like, nigga, my cup, my hands trying to come.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  It was like a fucking upward bound trip with the inner city kids. So I watched over there and they came and they showed up to the club like, man, I ain't no shalad, man. What, what you all real or fuck, man? Did anybody call my fuck, nigga, I'm a killer, man.

• 1:27:27Speaker 00

  I remember I went to his place in the Bahamas and he took me to just like a.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  He has a place in the Bahamas?

• 1:27:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  That's where he flies back and forth.

• 1:27:34Speaker 00

  That's one of the places he'll go back and forth and like, uh, and, and it's first of all, it's funny like his level of clout in the Bahamas like. I came there with like cameras and shit because I was doing this like little vlog with him and I just wanted to like experience life with him, whatever. And, um, they stopped us at customs and they're like, you can't take cameras into the, into the country. Like you need like a permit for this. And I was like, I was like, man, I'm just going to hang out with a little dude. Well, and I swear to God, the customs person was like, all right, all right.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  Only film him.

• 1:28:10Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, this is it.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Oh, that's wow. Look at how clear that water is.

• 1:28:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  This is recent.

• 1:28:16Speaker 00

  I was gnarled, you have to understand, like he's taking me to places and I'm like, there's no way I'm jumping in that pit. Yeah, this is this pit. He's like, yeah, just jump in, you're gonna be good.

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  And he won't do it first. He won't do it to trust his word. Like if he jumped, he'd be like, all right, fuck it, let's go.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  The truth is humanity is like, come on, man. Yeah, use the rope. Yeah. I don't like how that rope looks.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  That a Shane Gillis rope?

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Man, it's not too cold. It's eight degrees.

• 1:28:48Speaker 00

  How deep?

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  You got your shirt on.

• 1:28:49Speaker 00

  How deep is it?

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  It's about 50 feet. You're not gonna touch the bar.

• 1:28:53Speaker 00

  I just want to put a little more water in it.

• 1:29:00Speaker 00

  Some color?

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  Man, ain't nobody saying your name. There's somebody coming. Nobody know your white ass here on this black ass island. Nobody say Chelsea.

• 1:29:13Speaker 00

  Maybe they'll go first, maybe we'll just make sure they know.

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  Ain't nobody here but us.

• 1:29:16Speaker 00

  It's not weird that nobody is here? It's not weird that nobody is here but you? Why we the only ones in this beautiful shit, bro? Come on!

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Because, I don't let everybody know where it's at.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  This is hysterical. Bitch, we been ready! Jump!

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Yeah! He did it! Do the yellow.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  He jumped! He never put a blunt down. Now you gotta climb the wall with crabs on it.

• 1:29:51Speaker 00

  No, he didn't tell me that fucking part. He didn't tell me that shit at all.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Oh, man. What day of the week is this? It's the weekday, obviously, because we work, so...

• 1:30:01Speaker 00

  But this is years ago, man.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he's got that part figured out, like, that right there, this is inspiration, I have, I have to have more fun. I am a...

• 1:30:09Speaker 00

  He's gonna live his life.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  I'm a worker-hobby.

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  You're gonna work, you're gonna work, I'm the same way, but it's like, if you don't live, you got nothing to talk about.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 1:30:16Speaker 00

  And like, he will prioritize living his life and enjoying shit. And he'll just be on a dock, on his property, smoking weed, looking at the fucking stars, just enjoying shit, getting emotional, looking at the stars. He had me just sitting there with him, looking at the stars.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  I don't smoke, maybe I should like...

• 1:30:34Speaker 00

  He didn't either, you know, he didn't do it, he didn't smoke or drink or anything like that. I don't think he drinks anymore, but he didn't smoke, and then, one day, he's like, "Yeah, I think I'll smoke now." He's the most fascinating person you'll ever meet.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  But I've watched people do it, and then they get, they get off track.

• 1:30:47Speaker 00

  You need to have discipline in terms of like, what you're gonna do.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Or you have to be the type of person that can smoke and then still do stuff, which I think he is.

• 1:30:54Speaker 00

  He is, I can't, I'm, I'm...

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  I'm a fresh, I'm a just, I just go full vegetable.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  You can do shit. You smoke, you made a whole play out of a lamp.

• 1:31:02Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. I took an edible when we were in Portland, and then I started recreating the Pixar theme with the lamp.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:09Speaker 00

  You know how the...

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  But you made the lamp a character too?

• 1:31:12Speaker 00

  The lamp was the character in Pixar. And I thought it was the funniest shit ever, I literally, I was like, "I think I got five new minutes, bro." And then the next day, they showed me a video of me, and I was like, "Man, I'm retarded." Like, I am the most retarded, I could never do weed again. Oh, I was so.

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  I wondered, people tell me it matters which one you do, right? Like, they say.

• 1:31:31Speaker 00

  Sativa or in the couch. Yeah, I know. I'm always in the couch. I never smoked weed and I got energy.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did. One time I did a sativa and I was creative, but everything that I made up was like trash.

• 1:31:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  But it was hilarious in it, so I understand.

• 1:31:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  But there's people that are just like always, they're always on it, always, and I just kept, like, my uncle's like that. He's, I, my entire life, I've never seen him sober.

• 1:31:54Speaker 00

  You're saying like he's, he can still be functional and he's.

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, he owns a landscape and architect company, like, but I've literally never seen him not high. At least always been high.

• 1:32:04Speaker 00

  Hmm. I mean, that is the type of company to own if you, if you like weed.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're pushing them all straight.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  But he still has to negotiate, go get paid and do all the things and run a business, but I've just, I'm, I'm telling you. My whole life, I'm, I'm really kind of having an epiphany right now. I've never seen Dennis not high.

• 1:32:21Speaker 00

  Wow. Bro, you gotta do a weekend with Duval in the Bahamas, man.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  I, it's weird to say, but it's just like, he's like a, he's like a Sherpa in a way. Like, you just talk to him for like two hours and your, your mind will be fucking blown. Just a wise guru. Also, like, no judgment, like, anything that you think.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:39Speaker 00

  There's not, there's, you know, some people like, kind of like critical or judging?

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:42Speaker 00

  He will assess it through you being honest about that feeling. And then you feel incredibly comfortable sharing.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Speaker 00

  Because you're not worried about being judged for this thing that you're feeling.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:32:54Speaker 00

  Like, he might like disagree there and be like, ah, that's for this, but he won't be like, you're bad because of that.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Hmm. I think if you say certain thing, he might be like, I can't go for that.

• 1:33:08Speaker 00

  He absolutely would.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  No, but I, I, I like Lil Duval. He's one of the people, that's what I'm saying, there's inspiration everywhere, like, but what was the trip? And I really wanted to know, like, where did, cause if, cause Matt just was like, get on TikTok. Yeah. People will write off whatever I've done and be like, he must have sat you down and gave you the keys to the city.

• 1:33:24Speaker 00

  No, you gotta do the work, bro.

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  I had to literally figure out what the hell was going on in that.

• 1:33:28Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Then, but for him, I saw it on a post recently, where he was like, yeah, shout out, it was, cause it's so.

• 1:33:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  So I wanted to know what it was. I wonder where Russ's was, or is Russ? Our

• 1:33:41Speaker 00

  He might be the

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  You think Russ is the pure source?

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  He could be the pure source.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  He's been independent so long.

• 1:33:45Speaker 00

  Someone got to inspire him, you know, someone's got to inspire, everybody's gonna have an inspiration. You know what I mean, like somebody inspired Steve Jobs.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  There's somebody that's the original thing.

• 1:33:56Speaker 00

  Adam. Outside of Adam. Eve was tripping, man, like Eve, Eve didn't have the discipline, bro.

• 1:34:06Speaker 00

  You know what I mean, like Adam was locked in, Adam was happy, Adam was living life, Eve needed more.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  He was doofal.

• 1:34:14Speaker 00

  He was doofal. Exactly, we're Eve.

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  But I think, I think, I think the creativity, like there is somebody that, you know what I mean, like even if you trace the Steve Jobs things, like you can be as motivated as you want or inspired by Steve Jobs, but if you can't code, you're just gonna be wearing black v-necks. Like, what is the thing that inspires you about that thing, where did Russ get the, like, you were like, I'm gonna put comedy online and I'm gonna do it at this frequency, and I'm going to, uh, like, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna care, I'm gonna post material, I'm gonna post whatever, I'm gonna post, if it's funny, it's going online. I'm not gonna hold back no more.

• 1:34:52Speaker 00

  According to this article.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  I still hold a lot.

• 1:34:56Speaker 00

  I had material because I would go, I was like a road dog, I would go to a new market every year and I always wanted to do new.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:35:02Speaker 00

  So like, I had an hour or more of stuff I wasn't doing anymore because next time I go to Columbus, I don't want to give them the same show.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:10Speaker 00

  Because there might be 40 people there that saw it, so I was able to put some stuff out, and then the reason I started doing more of the crowd work stuff was because I could generate. I could continue putting it out, this is I'm sure why you do it versus, you know, material and why everybody does it. And, uh, but yeah, and then like, volume is probably the game right now, for better or for worse.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  I don't know, I think there's been a shift.

• 1:35:34Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  Within the last 15 days.

• 1:35:39Speaker 00

  Ooh, I like this.

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  I think that.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  You can get more traction right now if you don't throw everything at the wall. If you throw the best moment and wait, because if my thing is I want to put one to two videos out a day, the quality, like it just is what it is.

• 1:35:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  Now, if I hold and I go, okay, out of 13 shows in Brooklyn, give me the craziest two moments. And so then I just post once a week, like the quality of that clip will go. I'm happy with the level of quality I'm hitting even at this quantity, but it's exponential. If I go, if I tell my whole team, we aren't pushing for one a day, what we'll get if I go, just give me the best video for a week, and you can scrape everything from the last five months. They're coming back with monstrosities. Like it just, there's just been some moments. See what I mean?

• 1:36:29Speaker 00

  That's, that's what I think, that's what I think it's always been.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  I don't, because I went to TikTok and they're like, just keep, just keep on posting.

• 1:36:37Speaker 00

  Well, I think what happened with me, when we blew up on TikTok, I had, all these people on TikTok hadn't seen years of stand-up that was

• 1:36:46Speaker 01

  Already on.

• 1:36:47Speaker 00

  Already on Instagram and on YouTube.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:36:50Speaker 00

  So then it got to flood TikTok. So we got to flood with heat.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  I'm doing Snapchat now.

• 1:36:55Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  Never been on there.

• 1:36:56Speaker 00

  So it's like you get to flood with all of your super A plus.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:37:00Speaker 02

  And that stuff works cross popping because it's good.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great regardless.

• 1:37:04Speaker 00

  And all the shit even where, man, I posted some clip randomly that was just old recently, and it just went crazy.

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  Same thing happened to me, but it was, um, the Brooklyn Improv just took a clip they liked, collab me on it, and it went nuts again.

• 1:37:16Speaker 00

  Because great shit works, and great shit will cut through when there's a lot of slop out there.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Tell me what you think about this.

• 1:37:21Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  The Blues Clues. You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:37:25Speaker 00

  No, like I know the show.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah. So what people don't realize about the show, because we're adults and we just put it on to walk out the room, is that they play the same episode all week long.

• 1:37:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:35Speaker 01

  Every episode.

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  And the kids.

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:37:37Speaker 00

  The kids actually like.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  By like, by Friday, I think it was in a Malcolm Gladwell book, I'm not, so I don't want to act like this, um, site, but anyway, so.

• 1:37:44Speaker 00

  Outliers?

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  By Friday, yeah. The kids are literally standing in front of the TV, reciting the episode with, and we were watching it like, what do you mean, where's the iron? It's right. But the kids are like, on Monday, they can't even see it. Tuesday, they, it's gonna be on this side of the screen. By Wednesday, they're up touching the screen, pointing. By Thursday, they're like, they're yelling while they're introducing the segment.

• 1:38:05Speaker 00

  You got kids?

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  No. You gotta put it on, not in them.

• 1:38:08Speaker 00

  You gave him what?

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  Put it on them, not in them. Go ahead.

• 1:38:13Speaker 00

  New song coming soon.

• 1:38:16Speaker 00

  No, the, uh, what happens is like, uh, when you read a kid a book, like they're like getting used to the book.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:23Speaker 00

  It's, books are like music to them, or TV shows are like music, they wanna hear it more.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:28Speaker 00

  Right? With us, I think our brains are so developed, like after you read it once, you're like, I don't need to read this again, I've already digested it. I, I'm, I'm with you on this, but like, so Blue's Clues figured that out with kids, they're like, yo, we don't gotta need a new one every cent, they actually prefer to milk that shit the whole week, it will drive parents crazy, but the kids will like it, but I think

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  The familiarity.

• 1:38:46Speaker 00

  The familiarity.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  But, so, also, I notice if I'm in a movie, the scene that people laugh the hardest at is the one that was in the trailer. It's obnoxious, I'm like, we saw that for four months, why are you?

• 1:39:00Speaker 00

  But that's why they put it in the trailer.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  Which I get, but it's not that, they're not laughing because they haven't seen it before, they're laughing because like, oh!

• 1:39:06Speaker 00

  There's a familiarity with it.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  What do you mean, you people? I mean, the drop of thunder, like, we, we saw that for six months, then went to the theater, then the moment happened, and you laughing, like, oh, oh, that's from the, oh, that's from the, it's a nostalgia scene.

• 1:39:17Speaker 00

  It becomes music.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 1:39:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  But what if we shifted and did that with, if I, if I, all right, this week's gonna be this bit, and I'm gonna drop that every day?

• 1:39:26Speaker 00

  Bro, this has happened, like, I mean, that's like the TikTok music play, which

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  is like, hey, let me just drop the same part of the song.

• 1:39:34Speaker 00

  Over and over.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  Three times a day with maybe a different voiceover, maybe a different thing, like, they change the visual stimulus, but it's the same part of the song.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  But there's a girl that blew a song up by playing it, she played it, she posted, uh, I think she said two hundred, uh, twenty-two hundred times straight.

• 1:39:48Speaker 00

  This is what, yeah, this is what.

• 1:39:49Speaker 01

  And then like, the seventeen-hundredth one was the one that went viral, that just caught the right wave.

• 1:39:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:39:56Speaker 00

  So, yeah, so there is a familiarity aspect.

• 1:39:59Speaker 02

  Now, accord, according to Russ, he says he dropped eleven projects, none of them broke through, and all of his albums were getting buried, but then he saw people that had singles that would catch on.

• 1:40:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  And so he was like, let me just drop singles.

• 1:40:09Speaker 00

  Every single week.

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  And then I'm just gonna drop single after single, and according to him, that was the thing that, that inspired the idea.

• 1:40:15Speaker 00

  I also think when, when you reach critical mass, there is an important play, which is like, now, less can be more. So when you reach the point like you're already beyond it, I think that less but high quality stuff or incredibly random thing. Like you said, there's something happen with like an amputee in a crowd or whatever like that. It's just such a random concoction of events that it's like really special. And I think that that does work because now you don't need to like introduce yourself to people as much. Now it's a reminder and you're bringing new people in with heat.

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  Right, but I'm, I'm facts, but I'm looking at the, the five people I see posting the most content right now. And I think that there is schools of thought on it. Like I think, I think, I think maybe Ali posts once every two week, a stand up bit. I think Mojo's doing one a week and here I am throwing like five a day.

• 1:41:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, so maybe there's a version where it's just like, well, what is the, what is the tip of the spear?

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  Well, I think there's, it's a risk to me, I think, because somebody can be like, let's see what all the hype is. I'm, yeah, crowd work, whatever, let me check out Nate Jackson. And then they see when that's not a banger, banger, they're like, oh, it's not even, you know what I'm saying? Did you just hurt a ticket or help a ticket? But I'm confident that like one will get you to go like that and see the next one.

• 1:41:34Speaker 00

  Well, that's the other thing. It's like more shots on goal is more goals, right? And it's only going to take one of those to go crazy. And then you can also let the algorithm decide too, which is like, if it's not that good, not that many people see it. If it's crazy, a lot of people will see it. So there is that version of it.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  I can archive it too. Like ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.

• 1:41:52Speaker 00

  It's not ready yet.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  This ain't the one I want out there.

• 1:41:56Speaker 00

  This one does suck.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  But you know what I used to be able to do, which I think we all can, they're like, once you get a feel for the audience or whatever, you, you'd be like, we got a banger.

• 1:42:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:04Speaker 01

  Oh, we got a banger. You know, like wait till we post this one with this lady where she whatever, right?

• 1:42:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Speaker 01

  And you would post it and then it would do what you thought it would do.

• 1:42:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:12Speaker 01

  And now there's a disconnect. Now you're like, I know I got a banger. You put that one on there and that, it might, it might just like barely. And then you're like, I don't know, man, just post the next video. And then that one go crazy.

• 1:42:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  I'm in the comments of the one going crazy, but look at the last one now.

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  No, y'all got it wrong.

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they didn't get this one right.

• 1:42:34Speaker 00

  And that's where it's like putting out the things that you're proud of, or you think are really fun, or you think are really interesting, ideally can be the thing that offers a satisfaction.

• 1:42:42Speaker 01

  But I almost want to like keep the, this is what I'm thinking. I want to keep the consistency that we're at because that's what I pay people to do. But I think like putting like a gold ribbon. On ones that I'm like, this one's a little nutty. I think might be something. Maybe it's like a watermark or something.

• 1:42:58Speaker 00

  Maybe.

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  And you kind of hedge it.

• 1:42:59Speaker 00

  Or it's a specific day where you drop like Friday is, this is the clip of the week.

• 1:43:05Speaker 01

  Right. And then they have all week to whatever to get it. Yeah.

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:08Mark Gagnon?

  And I saw you on your YouTube channel, you have like comedy just going for 24 seven. When did you start that?

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a new thing. You like that?

• 1:43:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you know what you're talking about?

• 1:43:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um.

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  They just hit me up, the people that do it. And I was like, who do you already work with? And they were like, we work with Ali Siddique. And I was like, um, what does he play on there? Cause he has so many specials.

• 1:43:33Speaker 00

  You just run the old stuff. You treat it like TV.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, but what I, I didn't like, cause Ali's long form, he's storytelling.

• 1:43:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  So I feel like my, my, because I'm such quick clip, that's like chive TV. You know, you go sit in the bar, you see the guys like all the little tricks and all that like, oh, you watch, when you go to the bar, you watch that, the blooper reels, that's, that's chive TV. So I feel like if I have a ton of four minute snippets, like I would be perfect in the lives. But can you go to my YouTube real quick?

• 1:44:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  It's, it's up right now. I was like.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  Oh, no, it's live.

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  I mean, we, we basically took all my crowd work joints. Um, it's been maybe three months.

• 1:44:13Speaker 00

  It's also a good like monetization thing. It's like you getting ads throughout the entire day.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  But I mean, it's just always on.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  And then they're commenting, they're going, what I'm trying to get them to do is enable super chat over there. So that, you know what I'm saying? Which is where I thought the green comments were. I opened it one day and was like, you mean they all pay me a dollar?

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  But they're in there talking. I don't, does it tell me people are in there right now?

• 1:44:38Speaker 00

  Look at this nice white audience shot.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  No lies.

• 1:44:45Speaker 02

  214 people watching right now.

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:44:47Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  Imagine if 214 people were sitting right there. Like, oh, this podcast is pet. But there's, there you go. But look at that. I don't know where we are, but that's my crowd makeup.

• 1:44:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Fascinating.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Okay. You want to rip through a couple more films?

• 1:45:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  All right. This is a, I mean, the white people doing white shit. But I don't know if you saw this, this is fucking a wild clip. This is a woman in Austria paragliding.

• 1:45:12Speaker 01

  I think I did it for plane hits it.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  She's flying around.

• 1:45:16Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just see that.

• 1:45:18Speaker 00

  Shit.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  It's so crazy that even though I said that, it's still crazy.

• 1:45:21Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  Oh. Pulls out the emergency parachute.

• 1:45:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:27Speaker 02

  The emergency parachute's not amazing.

• 1:45:29Speaker 00

  Is it ripped up?

• 1:45:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:45:31Speaker 01

  The first one, yeah.

• 1:45:32Speaker 00

  No, the emergency, oh no, that's a cloud.

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  The white one.

• 1:45:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god, bro, that's fucking terrifying.

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  And then gotta figure out how to land with the emergency one.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  Your emergency chute's not gonna slow you down as fast, so you're, you're just landing.

• 1:45:48Speaker 01

  How old is she?

• 1:45:49Speaker 02

  Hard.

• 1:45:50Speaker 01

  She's not a young lady, huh?

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:56Speaker 00

  This is how married I am. I'm enjoying those moans.

• 1:46:02Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, she's not making enough noise.

• 1:46:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  I would've been like, woo! Survival. So those grunts did something?

• 1:46:10Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, man, it got across my leg.

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  Nice to hear a rail ride.

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you had to rebel right away.

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  Like, she, she didn't fake that landing, you know what I mean? Her ass hurts for real.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  She's gonna feel that for a while, though.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  Wow, that's what it sounds like.

• 1:46:25Speaker 00

  All right, one more and then we get out of here, my man.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  Yo, that's crazy.

• 1:46:27Speaker 02

  Crazy, right?

• 1:46:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  And she survived, and then, uh, the people in the plane were apparently fine, and they're like doing an investigation on how the fuck that happens. I mean.

• 1:46:35Speaker 00

  There's a lot of space up there to get in an accident.

• 1:46:37Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, that's intentional.

• 1:46:39Speaker 02

  This was a clip that was, uh.

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  It also shows how fast planes are going.

• 1:46:43Speaker 00

  Sure. Bro, this guy cracks me up, man. What's the name of this, there's a name, Derek, is it Derek something?

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  Uh, let me find it. Uh-huh, what's his name? Yeah.

• 1:46:52Speaker 00

  David.

• 1:46:53Speaker 02

  David.

• 1:46:54Speaker 00

  David underscore comedy. So.

• 1:46:59Speaker 00

  Pause, pause. So what he does is, he could do every accent, pretty much, and he can also, like, fake speak the language. But he's not saying anything.

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:47:10Speaker 00

  And he walks up to people, and then he starts fake speaking their language.

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:15Speaker 00

  And then, that's the video. And he does it with every, you walk up to Chinese people, he'd fake speak Chinese.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  And nobody hit him?

• 1:47:22Speaker 00

  Nah, cause they're trying to figure it out. They see a white guy speaking Chinese, so they're like.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  And they hear enough to be like, I think he's.

• 1:47:27Speaker 00

  You'll see it running from the beginning.

• 1:47:30Speaker 07

  透的事，透的事，透的事，透的事，透的事，透的事，透的事，透的事

• 1:47:40Speaker 01

  Bing bang

• 1:47:43Speaker 07

  No, you have to guess, you have to guess, you have to guess, you have to guess

• 1:47:47Speaker 07

  扣事字，扣事，扣事字 扣事

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  My man gave up to start eating

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  Okay, um, I mean, we got a couple other random feelings, no facts. This is a, I mean, this, FA sent this one in because he wanted you to see it.

• 1:48:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  Um, it's a woman who's at an event and sells feet juice. So she has a sign that says, "Feet juice for sale." She dunks her feet in here and then people drink up the feet juice.

• 1:48:21Speaker 00

  Nah, this, this gives off a bad name, bro. This is...

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  Wait, what do you mean us?

• 1:48:26Speaker 00

  Just the people who enjoy feet.

• 1:48:28Speaker 01

  Oh, you're a foot guy?

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  He's one of those.

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  I thought I was until I saw that.

• 1:48:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is nice.

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  This gives perspective.

• 1:48:36Speaker 02

  I mean, you're...

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  When you say you're a feet guy, what's that mean?

• 1:48:38Speaker 00

  I don't like to do anything to them, but I just think that they gotta look nice.

• 1:48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:48:43Speaker 00

  Like, I don't want you to grow fucked up feet.

• 1:48:45Speaker 01

  Like, back in the day. Yeah, but this is, this is a lot.

• 1:48:47Speaker 00

  Nah, this is weird.

• 1:48:48Mark Gagnon?

  But let's just say you saw, like, a very attractive woman and she had bad feet. You not smashing it?

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  Nah, boomerang.

• 1:48:56Speaker 00

  Boomerang, ow.

• 1:48:57Mark Gagnon?

  Does that mean he's smashing it?

• 1:48:58Speaker 00

  Nah, it's a movie. Eddie Murphy.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  He gets with Robin Givens and she's crazy bad and he pulls back the covers and her feet are just like...

• 1:49:06Speaker 00

  Can't do it.

• 1:49:06Mark Gagnon?

  And you won't do it?

• 1:49:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, that wasn't, that wasn't her feet. That was Iva LaShawne's, no. Either way, a beautiful woman and he laid in the bed and he was literally like, "Let me see the cover." And when they pulled back, she had like your feet. And so then he sneaks out of the bed and out of the room.

• 1:49:22Mark Gagnon?

  But that's what you would do?

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I want, I want attractive feet.

• 1:49:27Speaker 00

  No, I still do it.

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  Are you one of them brothers that's like, "You ain't smashing the feet."

• 1:49:30Mark Gagnon?

  Like, what if I want to?

• 1:49:32Speaker 01

  Touching the feet. What if I do want to smash the feet?

• 1:49:34Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm not touching the feet. Like, if the body's right, like, that's, you know, everything else is right.

• 1:49:38Speaker 00

  For wifey, for wifey, or just like for one night, obviously, who cares, like?

• 1:49:42Mark Gagnon?

  No, you, one night, if they had bad feet, you wouldn't even.

• 1:49:46Speaker 00

  Oh, when I was in Argentina, I was looking for a girl who's missing a finger.

• 1:49:52Speaker 00

  If you're there for just like an amount of time.

• 1:49:56Speaker 00

  No, but like if it's wifey, like, obviously.

• 1:49:58Speaker 02

  Oh, you're gonna have to look at those things all the time, yeah.

• 1:50:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, okay, we on the same page.

• 1:50:02Speaker 02

  This guy brought up an interesting hypothetical. Would you rather be a 5'2 white dude or a 6'5 black dude?

• 1:50:07Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh.

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  5'2 is pretty short.

• 1:50:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, 6'5 black dude.

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. What would you rather be, Nate?

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  Never thought of that.

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't know the life of a 5'2 white guy. What is it, just rejection everywhere?

• 1:50:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  But you might not get harassed by police as much, you know what I mean?

• 1:50:27Speaker 01

  You won't.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, you might, you might get a...

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  You are the police.

• 1:50:33Speaker 00

  You gotta be a cop.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm kinda liking this, this journey I'm on here and what I got, but that is interesting.

• 1:50:41Speaker 02

  Is heightism worse than racism?

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:50:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  Cause, no.

• 1:50:46Speaker 02

  What, you'd rather be a 6'5 black dude?

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  I can't tell how tall he is in his car.

• 1:50:52Speaker 00

  Fair.

• 1:50:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I can't tell, he can wear heels.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:50:57Speaker 00

  You can't wear heels as a guy, man.

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  No, they got those heel boots.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, who would ever do that?

• 1:51:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, you know.

• 1:51:06Mark Gagnon?

  Give you a little extra, you know, there's nothing wrong with that.

• 1:51:08Speaker 00

  5'2 is crazy.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  5'2 is tough.

• 1:51:10Speaker 00

  There is a, there is a number where you do it, but like 5'2 is crazy.

• 1:51:13Speaker 01

  All right, would you like to be a 5'2 black guy? That you, you can't be Duval or Kevin Hart.

• 1:51:20Speaker 00

  5'2, hold on, 5'2 black guy or 5'2 white guy?

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  Nope. Just a 5'2 black guy, and there's no or. Just the third one.

• 1:51:29Speaker 00

  The third one is, so I could be a 6'5 black guy?

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:32Speaker 00

  A 5'2 white guy or a 5'2 black guy?

• 1:51:34Speaker 01

  Or a 7' Asian.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  That's fire. A seven foot Asian is kinda lit, to be honest with you.

• 1:51:41Speaker 00

  Seven foot Asian, 100%.

• 1:51:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:44Speaker 01

  Yeah? Even though you have the smallest dick out of everybody on the list.

• 1:51:48Speaker 00

  But it's, but it's seven foot, it's Asian, for Asian dick.

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  No, it's small, it's small for Asian dick.

• 1:51:56Speaker 00

  You add another comedy artist that are completely off there.

• 1:51:59Speaker 01

  Downside, why wouldn't we all wanna be the gigantic Asian, man? There's no bad side.

• 1:52:03Speaker 00

  Gigantic Asian guy with a pretty big dick, but it's not big for seven feet, but it's pretty big.

• 1:52:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  Micro penis.

• 1:52:09Speaker 01

  This is, this. Micro penis is terrible. Fuck it. Yeah, you're gigantic Asian.

• 1:52:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Pinky toe.

• 1:52:16Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 1:52:17Speaker 00

  I love feet. I love feet. That's a tough one for me.

• 1:52:23Speaker 00

  Seems like I just got more foot.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. You got an extra toe, that's kinda nice.

• 1:52:28Speaker 00

  Nah, I don't know, I can't do micro penis, even if you're seven foot Asian, cuz what's the point?

• 1:52:32Speaker 02

  But you go to the league, if you're a seven foot Asian and you sell your jersey all over China.

• 1:52:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you got a micro penis, nah, that's crazy. Now, what would you do? You gotta be 5'2" black dude, right?

• 1:52:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  With a massive hog? That's not bad.

• 1:52:45Speaker 01

  That's what they keep saying about Kevin Hart.

• 1:52:47Speaker 00

  You got, you got a piece?

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I, uh, for the whole week of the roast.

• 1:52:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:53Speaker 01

  I kept seeing all these videos by, um, what's the white guy that paints his nails that was on the roast?

• 1:52:58Speaker 00

  Big Jay Okerson.

• 1:52:59Speaker 01

  Big Jay Okerson kept on dropping videos about how big Kevin's dick is.

• 1:53:02Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:53:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I just, all week I was like, hey, yo, yo, come on, come on, fam.

• 1:53:07Mark Gagnon?

  You got a different algorithm.

• 1:53:09Speaker 00

  What's your algorithm, man? I didn't see any of those videos.

• 1:53:12Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:53:13Speaker 00

  I just saw Chelsea Handler whining.

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  I thought as much stuff about roasts as I could see.

• 1:53:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  And so I just got, I was like, and that's enough, I saw everything now.

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  On the topic of uncomfortable hypotheticals, and this might maybe even be a good place to

• 1:53:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  to really try to focus in our energy.

• 1:53:28Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, go.

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  This is what people are talking about outside of the Knicks stadium.

• 1:53:32Speaker 07

  For the Knicks to win it all? I would let Jalen Brunson sleep with my girl, my mother, my sister. I'd let him sleep with anyone he asked for it. Would you let Jalen Brunson sleep with your girl for the Knicks to win it all? For the Knicks to win it all? Yes. Would you let Jalen Brunson sleep with your girl for the Knicks to win it all? I'd let him sleep with his girl.

• 1:53:50Speaker 02

  So this is the question?

• 1:53:51Speaker 00

  Nah, nah.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  For the Knicks to win it all, bro?

• 1:53:54Speaker 00

  Nah, I'm going forty-two years without it, man. It's not like we're not used to it.

• 1:54:01Speaker 00

  I got too used to it. I'm unfortunately comfortable with it. Sleep with your girl is crazy. There was one where a dude says that he would take strokes. He would take a backstroke. He would take, man, black dude, by the way, this is progress, bro.

• 1:54:13Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, but he's from Jersey.

• 1:54:14Speaker 00

  What's that got to do with anything?

• 1:54:17Mark Gagnon?

  There's no way.

• 1:54:18Speaker 00

  What's that got to do with anything? You telling me Jersey's more progressive than New York?

• 1:54:22Mark Gagnon?

  There's just no way in New York.

• 1:54:23Speaker 01

  Are they gay here in New Jersey?

• 1:54:24Speaker 00

  Nah, they're way gayer here.

• 1:54:27Mark Gagnon?

  A black New Yorker would not say that, so we're not claiming them.

• 1:54:31Speaker 00

  I think New Yorkers gay, but a black New Yorker did say it. He did.

• 1:54:35Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 1:54:36Speaker 00

  You just put it on Jersey.

• 1:54:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:37Speaker 00

  But no, I think Jersey's like a few years back. I don't know if they're playing with the gay fun yet.

• 1:54:42Mark Gagnon?

  Think?

• 1:54:43Speaker 00

  Nah, New York, New York is there. White boy fun has crossed into black culture in New York.

• 1:54:49Mark Gagnon?

  How you feel about white boy fun? You know how they all the dick stuff?

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  Um, you gotta get used to it.

• 1:54:56Mark Gagnon?

  But like.

• 1:54:57Speaker 00

  Who, who taught you about it?

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  I'm from Washington State.

• 1:55:01Speaker 00

  So like, so the whites, the whites introduce?

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  Our football team was not checking.

• 1:55:05Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:55:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, like they were like, run down to the goalpost and come back. On the way back, if somebody's bullshitting, like, the coach would see it like, stop, like, here's the whole thing. Stop, not checking. They run and cry.

• 1:55:19Speaker 00

  So, did you grow up with it?

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Quarterback was not checking the center, like, we couldn't even. You couldn't even run a play.

• 1:55:25Speaker 00

  So, did you grow up with it and it was normal? Or did you get introduced to it at a certain point in time and then you had to acclimate?

• 1:55:31Speaker 01

  It was just normal. From what I remember, like, middle school, high school, like, people would just be playing too much.

• 1:55:35Speaker 00

  Now, did you, did you ever play with other black dudes that didn't know anything about it? And they're like, yo, what is going on?

• 1:55:41Speaker 01

  Nah, as a matter of fact, I remember very distinctively Big Irish Jay, a comedian from Boston that's in Vegas now. He still plays like that to this day. And he'll get you, like, you're like, oh, my god, fucking my left nut only is ridiculous. But he came to something where it was like, it was like a pretty urban function. And he was in there on that same energy. And I was like, man, seriously, like, this is not, we're not doing that today.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  Full-on truths, no nut checks.

• 1:56:11Speaker 00

  Truths. He hasn't called a truth.

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  It's a Def Jam after-party. Please, I got on a tux. He's like, this is the best time. I know they're shiny right now. I'm like, Jay, I swear to god, if you hit me in my nuts in this goddamn party, I'm like, we can't be friends anymore. He's like, yeah, no, no, it's cool, it's cool. Jay, they don't care.

• 1:56:33Speaker 00

  No, they don't. Okay, before we go, I want you to let us know about the, uh, the thing that you were recreating.

• 1:56:38Speaker 01

  Oh, Comedy Jam?

• 1:56:38Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I did, I did Comedy Jam, because I felt like it, uh, was needed. It's been a very, very long time since we've had, um, a structured show of micro-sets. Uh, and so I brought fifty-four, fifty-six, I'm not sure, something like that. Like, I think it was fifty-four comics, flew them out to the club, spent about a hundred and sixty thousand dollars, and...

• 1:57:01Speaker 00

  You did it all at your club?

• 1:57:02Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:57:02Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:57:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's intimate, and it's there, it's, it's there, and nobody had a bad set. And it sounds great, looks great. It's the same team that I did my Netflix special with, so there's a lot of people that should see some, you know, a needle push, even just to give them some phenomenal content.

• 1:57:19Speaker 00

  Where are you, where are you putting it out? What is the plan? Your, your channel?

• 1:57:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, my team is actively trying to sell it right now. But I was like, no matter what you do, this is going to be on my YouTube.

• 1:57:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  So I don't know how, I don't know what that handshake looks like, but it's gonna have to, like, maybe it drops simultaneously. Or the TV one says, go look at this, or something, but it's going on my YouTube. Started with that intention. Um, so it's called the Super Funny Comedy Jam. And it's starring fifty-four of the funniest comedians in the country.

• 1:57:48Speaker 00

  Who are some names?

• 1:57:50Speaker 01

  Um, Smokey Suarez.

• 1:57:53Speaker 00

  Ah, Smokey.

• 1:57:54Speaker 01

  Rob Stapleton.

• 1:57:55Speaker 00

  Rob!

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  Um, Tony Roberts.

• 1:57:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:00Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean, names I think people would, I mean, Ryan Davis did it.

• 1:58:05Speaker 00

  Ryan's great, man.

• 1:58:06Speaker 01

  Um, uh, Reg that just did, was in the finals on Funny, uh, uh, Black Ron, Justin Ish, Clayton Thomas, Martin Amin, Martin Amini. Uh, this really funny white dude I've seen when I do a showcase in DC named Matt.

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  Something. He was really good. I have to, I have to look it up and maybe I'll shoot it to you so you can like, what the guy's name was.

• 1:58:35Speaker 01

  But, um, no, it was, it was just great. Like, we did, uh, four comics, three or four comics per episode.

• 1:58:40Speaker 00

  How many shows did you do?

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  Eleven.

• 1:58:42Speaker 00

  Film everything.

• 1:58:42Speaker 01

  Wow. Actually, I wanted to do ten and then I was like, I'll do an eleventh because I just could, I just couldn't keep saying no to certain people.

• 1:58:49Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:58:49Speaker 01

  And so then I was like, all right, well, the eleventh one will be my pilot if I'm gonna take it out or whatever. And then my team was like, no, just go out with eleven of them.

• 1:58:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, why not? Always better.

• 1:59:00Speaker 01

  We'll see. So we'll see. We're, I mean, we're gonna see if, if, uh, if there's a network that wants it or whatever. But everyone right now keeps on saying like, oh, no, we don't, we don't want that format for comedy.

• 1:59:10Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:59:10Speaker 01

  Like, well, it's in the top five, uh, top, it's in the top five on Netflix right now.

• 1:59:15Speaker 00

  It seems to be doing all right.

• 1:59:16Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. It, yeah. You don't want short-form comedy?

• 1:59:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  Wow. But I just remember when we came up, you could watch Comic View, Premium Blend, you could watch Def Jam, you could wa, there was always something where you could see. And then just for the last twenty-five years, there hasn't been anything, really.

• 1:59:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  Nothing that's stuck. Like, Def Jam had a chance, but then Russell got to me too, so then they swept it under the rug. And so. It's that's the that's the uh that's the itch that gets scratched with this and so I'm hoping that it moves the needle for some people at least it puts them in a conversation to be doing clubs to make some money to possibly you know

• 1:59:50Speaker 00

  Build a career

• 1:59:51Speaker 01

  Some money on their tables yeah that's it and so uh Super Funny Comedy Jam and if anybody's interested in the comedy club it's Nate Jackson Super Funny Comedy Club in Tacoma, Washington biggest black owned comedy club in the country

• 2:00:02Speaker 00

  Shoutouts to you

• 2:00:03Speaker 01

  Yeah Tommy Davidson's coming here soon

• 2:00:05Speaker 00

  Ah legend

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  Yeah we have a time we have a time can you click um view all at the bottom

• 2:00:14Speaker 01

  Uh yeah so let's see what we got coming so people can be proud of us hey Fion

• 2:00:22Speaker 00

  I do

• 2:00:22Speaker 01

  Tricks from um Funny A F Tiffany Haddish Tim Tropshire Funny Marco

• 2:00:28Speaker 00

  Oh great dude

• 2:00:30Speaker 01

  That's Rip Michaels Bill Bellamy

• 2:00:32Speaker 00

  Bill Bellamy

• 2:00:33Speaker 01

  And then and then so so we do the opposite so go to hell bam Rose Budmaker

• 2:00:39Speaker 00

  There you go

• 2:00:40Speaker 02

  Let's go

• 2:00:40Speaker 01

  Once a month we have a white guy

• 2:00:44Speaker 01

  And that will pay the bills for all the blacks to come I want and to be honest with you I want the most diverse lineup possible and when I say diversity I don't mean uh hella black people I mean I want I everyone we can see on the screen that should be it I don't we don't need this many it looks like an NAACP meeting like I it's hella black people but the agents assume because it's black owned those are the clients that they read off to me

• 2:01:12Speaker 00

  Right

• 2:01:14Speaker 01

  And then people just don't take it serious because it's not a big chain clip our text message from six years ago has an offer in it from me to him

• 2:01:20Speaker 00

  Great offer

• 2:01:21Speaker 02

  Really

• 2:01:22Speaker 00

  Great offer

• 2:01:22Speaker 01

  Yeah

• 2:01:23Speaker 00

  Great offer

• 2:01:23Speaker 01

  I came strong

• 2:01:25Speaker 00

  Very strong

• 2:01:26Speaker 02

  Can you share

• 2:01:27Speaker 00

  Strong as you can come

• 2:01:28Speaker 01

  From Jersey

• 2:01:28Speaker 00

  I don't want to put I don't want to put it out there because he might have less strong offers

• 2:01:32Speaker 01

  You can say it I'm full transparency I talk money

• 2:01:34Speaker 00

  Yeah

• 2:01:35Speaker 01

  Yeah you're gonna it would sell out like that come work on some shit

• 2:01:38Speaker 00

  Yeah

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  It's nothing you eat good hang out with good people

• 2:01:42Speaker 00

  I definitely want to go

• 2:01:42Speaker 01

  Come see some snow if you want

• 2:01:44Speaker 00

  Hell yeah

• 2:01:44Speaker 02

  Hell yeah

• 2:01:45Speaker 01

  You understand but um Yeah, and those kind of offers are out for particular people that I'm a fan of or inspired by. And we've had a few, but then other, you know.

• 2:01:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:54Speaker 01

  So you just, I don't know what it takes to crack through the noise of all the different places people can perform and all that stuff. But we do well. So, but I just want to see more people that I'm already like. Like, I think people will get it. Like, Dave was at the Netflix brunch and he was like, I'm gonna come do your clap, man.

• 2:02:10Speaker 00

  Oh, that'd be fire.

• 2:02:11Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, but I also think like it makes people go, oh.

• 2:02:15Speaker 00

  This is a thing. Exactly.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, you understand. So it's exciting stuff. I appreciate you having me here.

• 2:02:21Speaker 00

  Nate Jackson, man. Everybody, go check out Nate. Thank you so much, bro.

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  Appreciate you, man.

• 2:02:26Speaker 00

  Thank you, bro.

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  Mr. Monopoly here. Miss me? Monopoly is back at McDonald's with millions of prizes. A 2027 Jeep Cherokee, a Carnival Cruise vacation, gift cards from DoorDash, and Best Buy. Feel and play in the McDonald's app. Get your bag. No purchase necessary. 50 U.S. and D.C. Age 18+. See play at MCD.com for rules and play at MCD.com/AMOE for info and playing without purchase by mail by November 2nd. Chance card game ends November 8th. Game ends November 22nd, 2026. See rules for prize details. Monopoly is a registered trademark of Hasbro.