Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon

YERRR Schulzy breaks down behind the scenes of what it was like to work with Matt Damon on his upcoming stand up special. We get analytical about DOGE. Akaash hopes Luka beats the brakes off of the Mavs. Steve Smith Sr. is allegedly caught being crazy in the texts. And we figure out how tall Alexx really is on this week's episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE 00:00 Life Announcement with Matt Damon 3:26 Next Tuesday + Dov took it seriously 5:28 Thank you Matt Damon & Neal Brennan 8:56 American Sniper baby + Perfect Pinkies 12:36 Steve Smith rearranging IUDs outchea 15:32 Is it ok to cheat if she’s uglier? 17:50 Mark’s dirty talk + S3xy songs 20:32 Bangladeshi Train Riders 21:53 Matt Damon is unreal + filming this properly 25:28 Matt’s montage, armpits and feet + hawk tuahing 33:52 Charla’s Brazilian wax, Mark is nastyyy + Deportations 43:16 Spirit is the safest airline 46:51 DOGE + What to cut? 55:10 Luka’s gonna score 60 58:33 Will change actually come? 1:04:26 Social Media being weaponised 1:08:10 Dan Bilzerian’s pivot 1:09:57 White Supremacy is so DEI 1:15:19 Bannon’s “Roman” Salute + Call Bibi 94y 1:21:55 Elon Musk’s annoying + Buyers’ remorse yet? 1:27:53 Checking the gov is being American 1:31:00 Vivek would have done it differently 1:32:10 Hiring Elon, Fake newsed + Corporate Greed 1:43:02 Not caring for replaceable employees 1:44:28 Skilful CEOs, Robber Barons & Philanthropy 1:53:30 Hypnosis for dummies 1:55:01 Patreon Clip - Measuring everyone’s heights Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:14Speaker 00

  Schultz. Schultz, Schultz, Schultz.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  Matthew.

• 0:18Speaker 00

  Hey, cute baby. I didn't get the amber alert.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Hey, Matt, how are you?

• 0:24Speaker 00

  Hey, Matt, how are you?

• 0:26Speaker 01

  It's always good to see you.

• 0:27Speaker 00

  Good to see you too, man. What are you two up to today?

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Ah, Jesus. We are celebrating. My new special's coming out.

• 0:34Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  What, are you gonna stand up there and grow a mustache?

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Actually, if you want to know, it's about my wife and I trying to make a baby.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  It's like, like Red Tube?

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 0:45Speaker 00

  Red Tube, man. Fucking Red Tube, you know.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  No, not like Red Tube. What are you talking about, weirdo? We had a lot of trouble getting pregnant.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  Oh, oh, I'm sorry.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Thank you, appreciate that.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  Well, you should've come to me for that.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Come to you for what?

• 0:59Speaker 00

  Well, I know everything there is about being born. Right? You can use that in your skit, if you want.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  Matt, how the [__] would I use that in my comedy?

• 1:07Speaker 00

  So what was the issue? Are you, like, limp?

• 1:10Speaker 01

  No, I'm not limp, okay? I get pretty hard.

• 1:13Speaker 00

  Well, I believe you.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  I do get pretty hard.

• 1:15Speaker 00

  I believe you.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Do you want to know what the special's about or not?

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  All right, it's basically this. The doctor puts the embryo into my wife. The second he puts it in, I'm like, "Ugh, your sperm is like a C plus." Blacked out. Shame, shame, shame. At this point, I realize she thinks I suck. My own dick.

• 1:35Speaker 00

  What was that? Did you just clip montage me?

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38Speaker 00

  You clip montage.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  You asked me.

• 1:39Speaker 00

  You want to battle with me? You want to clip montage battle with me? Four [__] decades in the movie business. You want to play this game with me?

• 1:45Speaker 01

  No, you just said you wanted to know.

• 1:46Speaker 00

  Why don't you get a little of this? Come here.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  I couldn't get the rights to the movies.

• 1:53Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, we reached out and it was like a whole-

• 1:56Speaker 00

  What kind of special is this?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Do me a favor, don't watch the special. It's not for people like you.

• 2:00Speaker 00

  What the fuck does that mean, "people like me" mean? I'll watch your fucking "I'm shooting blanks" comedy special as much as I fucking want to. I'll watch it twice. As a matter of fact-

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Where's it playing?

• 2:09Speaker 00

  I don't want to tell you. Where the fuck is it playing?

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Netflix, okay, but don't do that thing where you like embarrass me.

• 2:14Speaker 00

  No, no, I wouldn't want to embarrass you.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  That's-

• 2:16Speaker 00

  Hey, everybody, everybody, listen. Andrew Schulz has a comedy special about how his balls are full of oatmeal and we're all gonna watch it, okay? Thanks.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  You are so Boston, it's amazing-

• 2:28Speaker 00

  Fuck you, I'm watching it now. I wasn't gonna watch it, now I am gonna watch it.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:32Speaker 00

  When's it coming out?

• 2:32Speaker 01

  I don't want to tell you.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  Tell me when it's coming out.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna tell you when it's coming out.

• 2:35Speaker 00

  Tell me when the fuck it's coming out.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  March 4th, but you better not tell a single person, Matt.

• 2:39Speaker 00

  I better not tell a single-

• 2:40Speaker 01

  You better not tell a single person.

• 2:41Speaker 00

  You don't tell me what I get to tell people.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Don't put my business on the streets, man.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  What are you, what, what world do you live in, man? We're in a diner in Chelsea.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Matt?

• 2:47Speaker 00

  I will tell whoever I want to tell, whenever I want to.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  You're not gonna tell a single soul.

• 2:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, watch this.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Oh, Jesus.

• 2:52Speaker 00

  Hey, everybody, this dumbass, right here, has a special about his low sperm count and it's on Netflix! Wait, what's the date?

• 3:02Speaker 01

  I forgot.

• 3:03Speaker 00

  Just remember to dipshit, March 4th. March 4th, on Netflix. Bum bum.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  You're welcome.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  You feel better?

• 3:18Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  You feel you got it all out?

• 3:19Speaker 00

  That was a good promo.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was pretty good.

• 3:21Speaker 00

  Is that the same baby from American Sniper?

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Hey, man, man, man, man! What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flagrant. If you already saw that, thank you very much for watching it again. I appreciate you. Special's out March 4th, on Netflix, that's Tuesday, March 4th, so next Tuesday. Damn, already a week away. Yeah, shout out Matt Damon, bro. What was that like, your neighbor? He's just a legend. There's a funny take that we did not use and I was like bullying Dove into doing it, but you know the line where he gets up and he goes, "Andrew Schulz has a special where his balls are made out of oatmeal." So, in the skit, Dove looks at the oatmeal and then he just puts it down. Like, yo, you know it'd be even funnier.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Andrew Schulz has a comedy special about how his balls are full of oatmeal.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Now, to get him to do that, I, we went through like 10 different takes. Also Dove is so adorable because like, there's this moment for the cutaway and he's like, it's like he's George Clooney. Like he is locked in, he's coming up to me, he goes, "So what do you think my motivation is?" "Am I nervous? Am I anxious? Am I like shocked?" Dove is actually such a good actor. He's a really good actor. But you also, I was also understanding, it's like you're acting a piece with fucking the marshals. But he's, so he's coming, it's like, "What do you think it is?" And I was like, "Yeah, I think that, you know, you're eating oatmeal and somebody says, 'Your balls are made out of steel, grossed out.'" And he goes, "Okay, so I would look up, right?"

• 4:47Speaker 01

  I'm like, "Well, I don't know. If Matt Damon was at a diner and you were eating and he started giving a speech, would you look up?" He goes, "Yes, I probably would look up." We did more takes on Dove eating that oatmeal than me and Matt doing the entire.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was an hour. It was an hour. How did you get into the character for that role? What was your?

• 5:01Speaker 01

  I went deep. And I think what I locked in on, someone wrote in the comments, I'm, I'm, I guess, Middle Eastern Riverdale.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  No, no, but it was like, we had a food decorator and it was like, "Oh, it doesn't plop. Now you gotta add milk to it, make it runny." I went lefty, so I protect the face.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  He went lefty. I mean, he really put himself out there. Do you know how hard it is for Dove to do a scene where he doesn't eat food?

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Really difficult.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  No, but shout out Matt Damon, man. Shout out Matt Damon. Absolutely, I'm incredible. I literally hit him up. I should like see the text. Like I'm, I'm basically asking him to say no in the text. Yeah. And like, I probably rewrote that text 40 different times. Of course. Right? Cause I don't want to be like too, was it presumptuous? Right? Like I can't like assume you would say yes to doing this. And I know you have a million different things.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  Legend.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Shout out Tory Lanez, bro. Tory, we need you on the pod.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  You need that promo with Tory Lanez, bro. Freestyle from prison.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Did you, did you hear like one of his songs got cut off by a fight that broke out?

• 6:03Speaker 03

  No.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Like he was recording, I guess, through the phone?

• 6:06Speaker 03

  That's hilarious.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  And in the background, like a riot happened. The Tory's 5'3". Yeah. That's the first cheeks, they're gone. So, uh, but nah, I hit up, I hit him up and I was like, dude, please say no to this. You have way too many things to do to be busy about this, but I got a funny idea for a promo for the special. If you're down, you let me know. And he was like, uh, he's like, uh, yeah, could we do it like between eight and three? That's when the kids are at school. And I was like, yeah. He goes, uh, what day is good for you? I go, what day is good for you? Exactly. Like before this, I hadn't really thought it was gonna happen. Yeah. So I had a loose idea. Yeah. And the second he did it, it became even more anxiety inducing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause then I gotta write something funny. Yeah. So I wrote this thing with a couple of guys. Mark was definitely helping out. Joey Avery's helping out.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  And that's, and then my, my, immediately I was like, I cannot fuck this up. So I hit up Neil, Neil Brennan. And Neil was, Neil's fucking awesome. Yeah, he's great. Neil was awesome. So Neil was really helpful and, uh, and then, and then he was like, hey, I gotta go film The Odyssey Friday. Do you think we could do Thursday? Wow. I was like, oh, you gotta go film Christopher Nolan's movie. You're the star of it? Yeah, sure. I think we could work around your schedule.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  So you asked him the way that you actually did it in the, in the sketch?

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Where you were like, yeah, you won't do this.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  You probably don't have what it takes to like do this role. He's like, oh, fuck it, do it.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  That's what, that's what Neil found. Neil was like, listen, if, if you tell a guy from Boston what to do, he will, or not to do something, he will do it just because that's the energy. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And, uh, but yeah, he said he was down to it. And I gotta give him credit for a lot of the funny too. Cause when we were riffing in the trailer, which was a surreal moment. Yeah. To be riffing a scene. Are you nervous in that moment? Yeah, I wasn't nervous, but I had like an adrenaline dump afterwards. Like afterwards, I just wanna go to sleep. Yeah. But like, I was in there with the director, shout out Melby. Uh, Melby, Melby directed this. Andrew, what's his name? Is Andrew Melber? Mel?

• 8:00Speaker 03

  Melby.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Going by Mel.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's Melby.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  But, um, but yeah, we're just in the trailer and like, he's like, yo, it'd be kinda funny. He would bring up these little lines. He's like, it'd be kinda funny if like, uh, when you're trying to explain about the limp, uh, the joke thing, I do the, you know, the dad joke. He's like, what if I just like, what if I just, I realize I asked you something? It doesn't make sense. He's like, you can use that in your skit. Yeah. And then, and then I realized and I just talk right. Right over. Yeah. And then like, uh, what if you say you don't know the date and I go, just remember to dipshit. Like a lot of the funny is him. I want to give him. Just remember to dipshit is so good. It's great. It's great. Also, when do you get to see Matt meme? Yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Like that's where I pitched him. I was like, dude, every, you're the, you're the best. Everybody loves you and everything you do. Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Well, I will say, I feel like some of his best roles, he is like a villain.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  And that's when he's funny.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. He's like a bad guy.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Well, what's, uh, the departed? But he always plays the nice guy who's actually bad.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Interstellar same thing.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's so likeable that when he does the villain turn. Yeah. You're like, what the fuck?

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Also, I didn't get the American Sniper thing. Yeah. And then I. I didn't get it. Dude, it's so funny.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  It's like comical.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  So in American Sniper, they have this really dramatic scene where the main dude is like with his child, like arguing with his wife.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Bradley Coeller, right?

• 9:09Speaker 03

  And it becomes, it became a whole thing apparently. I didn't know this.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  It's like an internet meme because it's so obviously a fake baby.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Oh. It's hilarious.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  And he's just like chatting with her. Oh, okay.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Look at the hand.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  He's using his thumb.

• 9:33Speaker 03

  He's trying to make the hand movement shit. It's so funny. It does look exactly like your fake baby.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. We had, we had Shiloh there and I was like, I'm not. Yeah. There's no way. Well, I, one, I didn't want to put her in, obviously.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. No free clout.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  No free clout.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  You, you worked for this. You know what I mean? You're not gonna give it to her for no reason.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. But also like her around breakfast food. We would not have a single table.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Just fist in the oatmeal. It was fucking going crazy.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  I didn't realize that eggs were expensive until I had a daughter. I didn't realize that fruit or blueberries or any of the shit, is your kid eating blueberries yet?

• 10:05Speaker 03

  No, but he's grabbing shit. He all of a sudden, food became interesting to him recently. We didn't know this. So we just like sat down to eat and then just immediately cuff just flying everywhere.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Fucking shit up.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  On the ground.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  I think blueberries are like the size of a nipple. Oh, interesting. Mmm. And I think, or my wife's.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're giving a lot away.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  GMO'd up.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  This is a child having conversation, you know what I mean? You're like, yeah, blueberries are the size and color of a nipple. You're like, whoa, hold on.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  You've got the dark Emma?

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Them Vietnamese titties?

• 10:38Speaker 03

  This is something you'll realize, they do get darker, that's the true thing.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Yo, you know what's crazy about?

• 10:42Speaker 04

  I don't want to hear about your wife.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  No, not my wife or his wife in general. But you are talking about.

• 10:46Speaker 03

  I'm talking about women, I'm talking about women, bro.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  No, our wives' nipples are perfect pink color, dude. Hundred percent totally perfect pink, it's the most beautiful pink you've ever seen with no hair on it at all.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Exactly, dude.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Hairs don't grow on them at all, due to all the hormones in their body due to pregnancy.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  They got, do they got their nipples waxed? I saw a hair on the shit and I was like, yo, we gotta get rid of that. My wife tried to hit me with, that's how the baby knows where the nipple is.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Well, alright, is that shit?

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Why isn't she going for mine?

• 11:17Speaker 01

  Scragglies on mine?

• 11:19Speaker 03

  But yeah, you'll come to find this out, it helps the baby find the areola when it's darker.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  That's what they say, so they don't gotta yank them shits out of their titties anymore. I think you just put the shit in their mouth, they go, no.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  And that's what you think, just wait.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Anyway, you gotta have some baby. I like the Tracy baby.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Yo, now that Jesseline is a super famous TikToker, is that gonna push back baby? Or is that gonna make baby even bigger?

• 11:45Speaker 04

  You guys just keep blowing her up. When at a certain point, she's gonna need new content.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  You, wait, what?

• 11:50Speaker 04

  You guys keep blowing her up.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Oh, we're blowing her up?

• 11:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  I thought you was leaving it in.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Come on, what are we talking about? Yeah, of course, I've been doing that since day one.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Oh, for real?

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, do you guys do the goalie in, or?

• 12:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, she did. And now I'm not, but I'm still, you know, I'm not not, you know what I mean?

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Wait, you're rearranging the IUD, bro?

• 12:09Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, the IUD's intact. It's not even that deep, probably.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Have you ever felt it?

• 12:17Speaker 04

  No.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  Can you feel it?

• 12:18Speaker 04

  She doesn't have IUD.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Oh, she doesn't have?

• 12:20Speaker 04

  She was on, she was on.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  Not anymore, you know what I'm saying?

• 12:22Speaker 01

  She rearranged it, you know what I mean?

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Me and Steve Smith Jr.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  That's what she said in the text, that's why I bring it up.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Why, what?

• 12:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. He said something about getting deep inside of her, Mark has the text, he pulled up the text.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  And he said, I wanna rearrange her IUD?

• 12:35Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, wait, you know what, let's just, we'll get back to Jesseline.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  We'll get to the Steve, okay, go.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  Just look at this.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  So Steve Smith Sr., prolific wide receiver, like, 5'9", firecracker, also would beat the shit out of you. Yeah, yeah, down to fight anybody.

• 12:49Speaker 03

  He's tall.

• 12:52Mark Gagnon?

  That's crazy.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  No, but he was, he's like on the field, he was like the Aaron the plumber of the NFL.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Do you know, you know.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  But he actually won every fight. He would beat the shit out of people much bigger than him. Like, okay, he said, turn you over and get deep inside you. She said, you're so hot. Deep is an understatement. It felt like you were going to rearrange my IUD. You were so deep.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Nah, that's crazy. Imagine your wife texts somebody.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Imagine your wife, why are you happy about this, son? You got a wife almost.

• 13:24Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm not happy that she's cheating, but I'm like, yeah, rearranging some IUDs. I like that.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  That's dangerous. That's bad for feminine health. You can't rearrange.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  That's a man's wife, bro.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Also that. Both, both of those.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  That's a man's kids.

• 13:40Mark Gagnon?

  I said, she's the one fucking up. Like, I can't be mad at him.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Nah, but you had a good point. He had a good point. I'm brilliant. Like, I was like, cause we were going, why the fuck would you call, uh, Steve Smith senior not talk to your wife? And Al, say your point. You had a good point.

• 13:53Mark Gagnon?

  Cause he's married and, uh, then he has a family.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Steve Smith?

• 13:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  So he's like, yo, you wanna fuck up my family?

• 13:58Mark Gagnon?

  I'm blowing your shit up, yeah.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  I'm fucking your shit up.

• 14:00Mark Gagnon?

  And that's why he says like in the beginning, he's like, oh, people gonna care a lot longer about, I mean, care about this longer about him than it is about me.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. I bet Steve Smith's wife thought he was faithful.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  I bet. Every NFL and NBA athlete, their wife is just like positive that person is.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  I bet, I bet Steve Smith's wife is calling that dude's wife like, yo, he does be fucking up the IUD. Girl, you gotta get the extra deep one, girl.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  Also, guys, show dates. First of all, thank you to everybody in Bray who came out. Seven shows, 600 people. That's 4,200 tickets. We moved in one weekend. That was fire. Uh, Nashville, every show is sold out, so we added a Saturday at 4:30. I don't think we're gonna have the capacity to add any others, so get tickets to that. March 14th and 15th, Tulsa, Oklahoma. March 21st and 22nd, Omaha, Nebraska. March 28th and 29th, Columbus, Ohio. April 11th through, uh, I believe it's gonna be 13th, Tampa. And, uh, we just added a couple more dates. We got May 9th and 10th in Virginia Beach. Also 4:20 weekend, you know, we're gonna be back in Denver. Those dates and more coming at akashsingh.com.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  What's up, guys? World's fastest ad read ever. Baltimore, Belmore, New York, Rochester, New York, Portland, Maine. I'm coming to all these places.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  This thing right here looks like Mark's dick full of cum.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  That's, it's not full.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  You gonna suck on that?

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Please, no, no.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  Hydration.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  February 27th. I'll be in Baltimore. March 1st, I'll be in Belmore, New York, on Long Island. March 26th, I'll be in Rochester, New York. April 27th, I'll be in Portland, Maine with my friend Joey Avery. I can't wait to see you guys there. Come and hang out and have a platonic time. Have a friendship with me. Thank you.

• 15:32Mark Gagnon?

  I know his wife is pissed off, but do you think she's less pissed because the girl he's cheating with is ugly?

• 15:40Mark Gagnon?

  Or more pissed because the girl he's cheating with is ugly?

• 15:42Speaker 04

  I think they get more pissed at that. Yeah.

• 15:44Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 15:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, that's more insulting.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Cause they're like, if you wanted an ugly girl, you could have fucked me.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Now, I'm not saying, I'm not saying Steve Smith's wife is ugly. I don't know what his wife looks like.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  But like, that fucks with your psyche. Like, you know, women place, the way we place our worth on like, our worth, I guess, and money. This looks for them. So like, imagine she's fucking, imagine your wife cheating on you, some broke motherfucker, and that's, they're not betting you any other way.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  All right, ready?

• 16:10Speaker 04

  Just broke.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  Let me put this out there. Your wife cheats on you.

• 16:12Mark Gagnon?

  Broke niggas make more effort.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, okay. No, no, this is why I want to ask you. This is why I want to ask you. Your wife cheats on you, or your girl cheats on you, because you don't have a wife.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Because you're not married. Okay? Because you're not married, grown up, like an adult.

• 16:27Mark Gagnon?

  At least I ain't like, cheated on like, y'all niggas.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Yo, if you get cheated on, you still get to be like, we weren't even thinking.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  I didn't even know that girl.

• 16:35Mark Gagnon?

  See, I'm smart, I clock it.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  I didn't even know her. Who is it? That's my side piece. I didn't even talk about it.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Wasn't Steve Smith doing a pod at WTF?

• 16:45Speaker 04

  No.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  No, Black Effect. He was doing a Black Effect. He was doing a pod with Charlamagne. Yeah, it was one of their first, first podcasts.

• 16:51Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 16:52Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that's wild. Damn, he cheated on them, went to another network.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  I got no loyalty.

• 16:58Speaker 03

  Did you see this one? I didn't say this, I would never say this, but people did say that this girl looked like Jeff Van Gundy. Nah.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Shit.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  I didn't say that. I would never, I'm just reporting with the internet. Yo, god damn.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Who is that girl?

• 17:10Speaker 03

  That's the girl that she, he cheated with. That's, that's. She's pretty. That's a rearrange.

• 17:14Mark Gagnon?

  If you see her and then his wife is like, what you doing here? She must be looking ass or some shit like that, like, it gotta be something more.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Also, when you, when you're on the sidelines and it's just like the most diesel testosterone induced dudes ever, and there's one girl that's there.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  And she got the Sarah Palin glasses on.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Nailing trailing. Yeah, you might have to nail it.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  She's also a freak.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  Wait.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  By all intents and purposes.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  I mean, the things that she was saying, you should never say to another man besides your husband.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  It was nuts. Barely even say, I'd hate for my girl to say that shit to me, but what the hell, you're a mother. Why are you saying this? Don't, don't do that.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Do you talk different to your, to your girl now?

• 17:53Speaker 03

  I mean, I always kinda did, I don't know, I was like, I was never into like something too freaky, cause I was like, ah, this feels.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  But now that you have a kid, do you guys, like when you guys are doing dirty talk, when you're like.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  What dirty talk?

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Nah, but when you're like.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  There's nothing happening.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Libidicus twenty-two.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  And the body of Christ was buried.

• 18:12Mark Gagnon?

  Brandon, it's not that funny, Brandon. It's not that funny, Brandon.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Come on. I'm just saying, when you guys are throwing Bible quotes at each other, like.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  Dude, I'll hit her with a Psalm every now and again.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  What Psalm?

• 18:21Speaker 03

  There's some slutty Psalms, you know this?

• 18:23Speaker 01

  And I turned you into dust.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  Damn. So you letting other men do the risk for you?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  That's crazy, bro.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  It's like listening to music. Like guys will play Miguel and bang their girl, it's like, yeah, you're letting Miguel dirty talk.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  This shit, that's fucked up. That is fucked up.

• 18:36Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta be thinking, bro.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Wait a minute, hold on, wait a minute, that is a good point, Kim. Yo, listen to music, just let another guy dirty talk your girl, and you're paying stream money to it for it. What about girls? You're being a cuck, basically. What about girls? You're gonna fuck to a girl singing? Do a rap or whatever they should be calling it.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  That's insane.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  No one's ever had sex to a girl singing, that's never happened.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  I don't think, name one song by a woman that you would have sex to. Adina Howard.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  What's that one?

• 19:03Speaker 03

  Uh, what's the T-shirt and panties?

• 19:08Speaker 01

  I put on Let It Go. When they're like, I didn't come yet, I'd be like, hit it. Hit it, Adina.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  But yeah dude, there's a-

• 19:18Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, you can't be getting cucked out. You gotta just put on beats, that's it.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Future type beats?

• 19:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, just beats. Can't have no other dude's voice in the room.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 19:28Mark Gagnon?

  That's crazy.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  I never liked the music, it always seemed too contrived. It always felt like, oh yeah, we're getting, I'm like, what are we doing?

• 19:34Mark Gagnon?

  And this is coming, this comes from the guy who has Seinfeld playing in the background.

• 19:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, he did it.

• 19:41Mark Gagnon?

  That's how long I knew I would go. And like, oh, I made it a whole episode. Twenty-two minutes.

• 19:48Mark Gagnon?

  You're getting your dick sucked by Seinfeld? I mean, I ain't catching [BLEEP] case, so I got some good-

• 19:56Speaker 03

  He offered her a glass of red wine, dude.

• 19:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, what the-

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Nothing wrong with that.

• 20:00Mark Gagnon?

  She should've went white, bro. He did. That's how he got in trouble. No, I thought she was black.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  No.

• 20:06Mark Gagnon?

  Are you fucking crazy? Oh, I thought it was a black girl.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 20:10Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, you think-

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Ah, when is a black girl-

• 20:12Mark Gagnon?

  Good written.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Nah, Zee's got fucking railroaded, dude.

• 20:18Mark Gagnon?

  Play a little song.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  That is anti-

• 20:21Speaker 03

  That's anti-Indian racism, that's what it is.

• 20:23Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 20:23Speaker 03

  That, like, this girl going on a date with an Indian guy, they're like, yeah, I'll see you this, like, everyone will believe that. That's true. Yeah, that's, that's anti-Indian racism, we gotta stop that.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  We gotta stop believing it, you're saying?

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Son, I saw a TikTok where they sell, in, uh, in Bangladesh, they sell tickets on top of the train. Dead ass.

• 20:40Mark Gagnon?

  No, they can't pay for that.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Look it up right now. They got, they got inside seats and outside seats, and they got hang-on seats.

• 20:47Mark Gagnon?

  That's corruption. They can't charge for the top, yo.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  We, we need Doge, bro.

• 20:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, they need Doge.

• 20:53Speaker 03

  We need some Doge.

• 20:53Mark Gagnon?

  They need Doge. India would never- If they gonna do it anyway, might as well make some money off it. Fair, I guess.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  I mean, I can't, I can't find the ticket, but, I mean, they got this shit, bro.

• 21:04Mark Gagnon?

  That's fire. God. Man, maybe he's shooting a music video. So, we be having Subway Surfers here? Yeah, you can get a fire music video like that. Imagine we, they not like us, but that.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Imagine, imagine you pulled up to that, right?

• 21:17Mark Gagnon?

  That's too many.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  You know nothing about the culture or anything. You're just a tourist from Canada, you show up. Isn't there part of you like, where's that train going?

• 21:28Speaker 03

  They know something I don't.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Right? Like, don't you wanna go wherever the fuck that's going?

• 21:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Because that doesn't seem like I'm going to work, right? That seems like a trip to a place.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Wait till you get there.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  And the English thing, they invented the double decker bus.

• 21:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  The audacity, right?

• 21:42Speaker 01

  The audacity. You think that's where they got the idea? They're like, yo, people like being on the top.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Damn, they really take everything from y'all.

• 21:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  They really did.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's fucked up.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Fucked up.

• 21:53Speaker 06

  Can I ask a question about the Matt Damon thing?

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yes, please.

• 21:55Speaker 06

  When he throw, he like says a line and he, you go, oh, we couldn't afford the rights. And he throws it.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 06

  Was that him?

• 22:01Speaker 01

  What was that? What was it?

• 22:02Speaker 06

  He throws the bacon.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 06

  That's so fire.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Like, actors are so good at shit that they can make things funny.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Oh, little choice he made, like when he said the red tube and he covered the baby's ears?

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  That was good, dude.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  And that was our fault. We didn't have coverage of him. There's like certain things that you wanna have coverage of everything. Coverage just means like you wanna film every single angle of it.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  And that's something I realized about Curb Your Enthusiasm that is so smart. Is that every scene they shoot, I'm pretty sure they, what's that?

• 22:32Speaker 06

  I think they do triple coverage.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they'll do like a wide shot and then two side shots.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  And then the problem with it, there's not really a problem, but like the scenes, like if you're like a fucking cinematographer, like they look kinda like flat or whatever. There's not these like beautiful moves. But the reality is what we care the most about is the interaction.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  And there's no way, like on a traditional sitcom, it's usually set up punch. But in Curb, it's argument. And the only way you could get them going is if you have them both covered and then just riffing. And one of the cool things about Curb is you could see them break a little.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude. There's one I always remember where Larry's friend, Richard Lewis, who passed away.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  But he's upset about something, cause I think he said Jerry stole, I mean, Larry stole his voicemail greeting. And he's like, I want you to change yours by sunset. And then Gary, and then Larry laughs. He goes, by sunset? Were you Gary Cooper? But you could tell by sunset made him laugh. And then Richard laughs at Gary Cooper. Gary Cooper's like some old cowboy movie guy. And so then Richard starts laughing and he's like, change, change the thing. And it's like, oh, y'all are both just making each other laugh right now.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  So how much do you think like going into, let's say you're going into Curb and you're not like a newbie. You have a relationship with them. How much? Are you keeping in the tuck to surprise them for real? And how much are you going over beforehand? Like, this would be a funny thing to say. Apparently, he just goes in and says, like, this is what the scene is about.

• 23:53Speaker 06

  And then you guys go.

• 23:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I thought they have a skeleton, like, where it needs to start, where it needs to end. They'll do one run-through, and then they do another run-through where it's like, ah, riff as much as you want. And then they just try to.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  But if you got a banger, you save it for that second run-through.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  Like, what some people do is, like, they wait until they get their coverage. Yeah. So, like, if you're not on camera, you're kind of going through the motions in the second, you get it. Yeah, which some people do. I didn't know that that's what people do. So, like, when you're super low on the call sheet, like, when nobody gives a fuck, like, every role I've ever had. Yeah. I'm not even on camera, and I'm, like, giving it my best. And I'll have lines of, like, ooh, I got that shit, that was fire. And then it'll come back to my coverage, and then all the actors leave. And you're just there with the stand-ins, like, I just used my hot shit, like, I can't run this back. Yeah.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Bro, me and Miles were just watching a video of Celine Dion getting upstaged by a singer. And when they did the run-through, the rehearsal, he was kind of phoning it in.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  And then, and then they got on TV in Sweden, and he fucking crushed. And you just see her face, just go, like, what the fuck?

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Who the fuck is this guy?

• 24:55Speaker 03

  She gets pissed.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  You have a little.

• 24:57Speaker 03

  Hold on, let me pull this up. See, now he's doing too much.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  I mean, kind of fired, dude.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  If you're that guy, apparently, he's like a super famous, like, Swedish singer.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  So, this was the moment.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  And she was like, oh, I'm gonna do him a little favor. I'm gonna, like, go on his little show, like, help him out.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  And then he busts that up.

• 25:16Speaker 06

  I love watching those videos.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  She looks tight about it. She is not happy. You brought me to Stockholm for this fucking rap. Motherfucker to embarrass me. Grab my smoothies.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Can you share what the Mad Damon Cutaway was going to be?

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it was first, like, it was, before he agreed, I was like, yo, all you gotta do is you just gotta be there, and what the fuck was it? Yeah. I was like, yeah, I got a special, well, I actually forgot.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  It was gonna cut away to a bunch of his films.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So, the, yeah, all right, so the original one was, we were gonna compete, right? And I show mine, and then he goes, oh, you wanna play this game with me? I'll play it, let's fucking, you wanna play this game, let's play this game. And then he goes, and it's all of his greatest films, right? And then the last scene is behind the candelabra, the one where he plays Michael Douglas's boyfriend. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's, like, hooking up with Michael Douglas. And I'm like, did you? Did you mean to keep that last one in? And he's like, yeah, it's some of my best work. And I was like, yeah, this, this, right?

• 26:19Speaker 03

  Bro, I'd never seen this. This is fire.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  So Michael Douglas with a wig looks hella like Al Pacino. Oh, right. All right. Go ahead, guys.

• 26:29Mark Gagnon?

  See, they make everybody do that for Hollywood.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  But he did this shit after he made it.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Bro, you gotta love Dave.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  That's how you stay in.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  Even like the boss in him that kind of comes out here a little bit, he's like, I'm not gonna like kiss you back.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  You kiss me, I'm not gonna go.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  I love when Akash almost looks away. Akash can't watch these videos, bro.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  But you sort of tuck your head but keep it looking in the right direction.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm gonna, I gotta remember what I'm gonna jerk off to later. I don't wanna walk to with you guys.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  Bro, do you have an armpit fetish? You ever talk about that?

• 27:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  I was talking to Lil Pete and he's got a big old foot fetish.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Shout out Lil Pete.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  The ledge, Lil Pete, he's got big foot fetish.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  I like him even more now that I know that he's a.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  I was like, how, how can you tell if foot's good? He's like, oh, if the middle toe is longer, it's terrible.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, second toe, but yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Okay, all right.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  If the middle toe is longer, you're an orangutan.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  The second toe shouldn't be longer.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the second toe. And I was like, oh shit, so he's got the same brain as y'all.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  And then he's like, but the thing I like more than feet, armpits.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  And I was like, all right, what do you like about him? And he started showing me the armpits he likes.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've never thought of this, but I'm open to it. I'm open to it.

• 27:43Mark Gagnon?

  This is why the birth rate's going down, bro.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Why?

• 27:47Mark Gagnon?

  This is shit I care about feet and armpits.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  I don't know, this might be, this might be your guys' new thing. All right, let's just see. I don't know what this is.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  This is not safe for work content.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna go top. Let's go by like, uh, let's go by this year, just like the hits of this year. Tell me, does this do anything for you?

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Nah, I don't notice it.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  Sure, but yeah, I mean, yeah, no.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  Armpit?

• 28:11Speaker 04

  I think I see how that one's nice.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  I think you'd be selling me on this.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Here we go. Oh, armpit? Oh.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  That's, again, these look like standard armpits to me.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't even see a difference. But you wouldn't lick it or anything?

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  All right.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Why? What does he say he liked about it?

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Wouldn't I lick is a question that's better than asking. You know what I mean? It's like.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  He says every time he's with a girl, the first thing he does, he licks their armpits.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Oh, that's, you know.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  First thing.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  That's not the first.

• 28:38Speaker 03

  Check the feet, if the feet are good, armpit licking.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  What's the grossest shit you used to do during a hookup?

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Come on now.

• 28:47Mark Gagnon?

  Why just me?

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Because it's just you.

• 28:50Mark Gagnon?

  Well, talk about y'all wives in the beginning.

• 28:55Mark Gagnon?

  A bit more adventurous in the beginning.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Bro, I used to, uh, I used to share some saliva generously.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Trying to find a way to say that without it seeming too crude.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Not like in an aggressive way.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  But just a little huck to it.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, just a little huck to it. And then I remember I did that once, like, and it was like passionate, part of the moment I did it. I remember kissing, I like spit a little saliva in her mouth. I remember she just went, "What the fuck did you just do?"

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Destroyed the mood. Never recovered from that.

• 29:35Mark Gagnon?

  I remember the first time a girl asked me to do that to her and I huck to it.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  You can't put the phlegm.

• 29:42Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't know you were supposed to let it.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Can't be the phlegm. It's gotta be what's already in there.

• 29:46Mark Gagnon?

  But champ kept going.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  No way.

• 29:49Mark Gagnon?

  She told me like a couple of days later, she was like, "When I do that, this is the way."

• 29:53Speaker 01

  She taught you how to spit in a girl's mouth?

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  You had fucking poppy seeds and shit?

• 29:59Speaker 01

  You had half a bacon, egg and cheese in the girl's mouth, she's still chewing on it.

• 30:03Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's fucking disgusting shit.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Nah, I used to be nasty, bro.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Nah, but girls are, they get nasty too. I remember that one girl that would eat my butt a little bit. And then I started like really cleaning it. And then one time she didn't and I was like, and I prepared it.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  And now I'm looking foolish. Like I got a perfectly clean ass for one time in my life. No dingleberries, nothing. There was like 1% toilet paper in my ass. I haven't had it that way since I was like 13 years old.

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Brand new underwear? How far did you go?

• 30:34Speaker 01

  I went, I was like, hold on a second. I went to the bathroom.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Soap and water, like, God, it's so, like, if I could have eaten that, I would have eaten that. It was so clean. It was unbelievably clean.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Let's get back to the shit.

• 30:47Mark Gagnon?

  It is crazy that, uh, Charlamagne got a full Brazilian waxed before Valentine's Day.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Yo, Charlamagne got a full Brazilian from the top. I get down here, but the top is off. That's crazy. Wait, like, keep barbie.

• 30:59Mark Gagnon?

  And asshole.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:00Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 31:01Speaker 01

  The asshole's not crazy to me.

• 31:03Mark Gagnon?

  That's the craziest part to me.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  It's all crazy to me.

• 31:06Mark Gagnon?

  Cause that means something's going on.

• 31:08Speaker 04

  Uh, I mean, yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  But hasn't Charlamagne said the thing about the little finger in there?

• 31:13Mark Gagnon?

  It's maybe in the past, though.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Hold on, a finger you don't need to wax for?

• 31:18Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. Depends what you got going on.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  It's not for the finger.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  What do you think it's for? Nah, y'all are acting crazy right now.

• 31:26Mark Gagnon?

  No, he's crazy. He got crazy.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  That's a tongue. That's a tongue.

• 31:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I go crazy.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  You go crazy.

• 31:31Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  You said you got it waxed.

• 31:34Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know what you're talking about. No, no, no, I never got waxed. I never got waxed. I just do the, you know, little shave.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  You can't, you can't do too much of a shave, though.

• 31:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, just a buzz cut. Keep it, you know?

• 31:43Speaker 01

  But down there, too? You're like underneath yourself?

• 31:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Take the fade on your balls.

• 31:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  You open up your cheeks to shave down there?

• 31:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  I feel like that's more homosexual.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  How? You spread a cheek and get in there?

• 31:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  You squat?

• 31:56Mark Gagnon?

  I got a hairy asshole.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  You squat?

• 31:58Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm?

• 31:58Speaker 03

  How do you get in?

• 31:59Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I just, no. Boom, boom, boom.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  No, that's.

• 32:02Mark Gagnon?

  It doesn't cut you. It doesn't cut you.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  You gotta go spread eagle.

• 32:05Speaker 04

  That seems too much.

• 32:05Mark Gagnon?

  No, if it's on one, it's fine. You don't gotta. What the fuck you looking at? It feels weird, something in your butt.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. I hit the tank, but that's, you know. That's.

• 32:18Mark Gagnon?

  When you're in the shower and you washing your asshole, you ain't spreading the cheek?

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 32:22Mark Gagnon?

  To get inside. Alright, so it's the same shit.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 32:24Mark Gagnon?

  So, you got a dirty asshole.

• 32:26Speaker 04

  I don't spread, but I get in between like I'm wiping. But that's still not shaving. That's a different thing.

• 32:31Mark Gagnon?

  You're dirty.

• 32:34Mark Gagnon?

  This is what I'm going with. You gotta spread a cheek, make sure it's clean.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Bro, I don't even shave nothing, bro. That shit is whack.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Hell.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  That shit is whack. That, sometimes I.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  You came into any shave. Look at you.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  No, this one isn't.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  You can tell your wife is holding it.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  You gotta pull it together a little bit.

• 32:48Mark Gagnon?

  This motherfucker look like a Neanderthal the last three weeks.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  I did look like Survivor in my own apartment in New York City. I looked like I was on Castaway or some shit. It was bad.

• 32:55Mark Gagnon?

  She's like, yo, you gotta wash your hands. You can tell she's home. That is funny.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  Did she tell you that to clean? Nah, nah, but it was, I mean, it's so bad because I thought I cleaned the apartment good. And then I had, I had the lady that came by. She comes by like once a month to tidy up and she came by and cleaned it. She spent like three hours snitching on me the whole time, texting my wife like, oh yeah, like, what do you want me to do with like the crumbs on the bed? I was like, you don't have to bring that up.

• 33:19Mark Gagnon?

  Just clean them.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  That's what I said.

• 33:21Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, she's fired after that.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  You're like, you can't be snitching on me. Yeah. Do you want me to wash the sheets with all the clothes on it? I was like, hey, you don't need to bring any of this up. This is just between us.

• 33:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  But then also remember when I had the stomach flu?

• 33:32Mark Gagnon?

  She speaks English?

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:35Mark Gagnon?

  Latina?

• 33:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:36Mark Gagnon?

  You would think they would know.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  You would think, right?

• 33:38Mark Gagnon?

  Lock it up.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  You would think. And remember when I had the stomach flu? I accidentally threw up in the, in the toilet and then some of it splashed on the wall and I didn't notice. My girl, my girl caught it immediately.

• 33:48Mark Gagnon?

  I mean.

• 33:49Speaker 03

  She goes, Mark, what is this? Of course she did. Fucking vomit on the wall. I didn't know. I didn't notice. Columbo dude. It's vomit on a wall. What the fuck are you talking about? It was one tiny dot in the corner. She was like, what is this? This is disgusting.

• 33:59Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:02Speaker 06

  Mark threw up all over my bathroom in college once and we just left the door closed for three days until he came back and cleaned it. It was so fucking bad. We like duct taped the door shut.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was bad.

• 34:13Speaker 06

  And I was like, Mark, you gotta come back. We're not.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  The house was condemned, I think.

• 34:16Speaker 06

  It was awful.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  Literally, we came over for the next three weeks and the windows in the entire house were just open.

• 34:20Speaker 06

  It was awful. So.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, my bad.

• 34:22Speaker 06

  I would notice that. I think your girl would notice that too.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  It was bright pink. Do you remember? It was like Teletubbies.

• 34:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:27Mark Gagnon?

  Is your cleaning lady worried about getting sent back?

• 34:31Speaker 03

  I don't think so. I think she's a citizen. I mean, I didn't, I didn't check documentation. I'm not like that kind of guy.

• 34:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Like when she came in, I wasn't like, yeah, we need papers.

• 34:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, none of us do, but I'm a little concerned about mine.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, same.

• 34:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. I, I inquired. Oh, you did? Yeah, I was like, yo, you good with everything? She's like, yeah, I should be good. If she wasn't good, what could you do? Fine, I'll clean.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  I was like, do I need to start searching?

• 34:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, because the way you said it, I was like, you gonna help?

• 35:02Speaker 03

  What the fuck I would do?

• 35:04Mark Gagnon?

  Well, I can marry her. I'm not married.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  You already got one immigrant.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Damn. Yeah, I thought about that today. I was talking to my like, also, they gotta be scared like our cleaning ladies because they're seeing Trump on an episode and they're like,

• 35:21Speaker 01

  you know, like, it's not like that doesn't pop up on one of their feeds. Like, they're just on TikTok or Instagram or some shit and then they see us all sitting down with the guy who's gonna kick them out.

• 35:30Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think Flagrant pops up on my cleaning lady's feed. I don't think we, I don't think that algorithm.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  You don't think the illegal immigrants feed are full of the guy who's gonna kick them out?

• 35:40Speaker 01

  That's his point.

• 35:40Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Maybe they see that and they're like, oh, I'm good.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Because we're gonna take care of them.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, because you can just call a trumpeter and just be like, yo, with this one, we gotta get him off the bus.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  I would make the call.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Right?

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Not for yours. Not for your phone. No, no, come on.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Clean the crumbs, yo. You asking me if you gotta clean dirty shit?

• 36:01Mark Gagnon?

  His wife acts her.

• 36:04Mark Gagnon?

  There's no way, like, they never give up that much info. She wants to know how dirty you are when she's not around.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Bro, because I was asking her today, I was like, you know, I was like, do you have kids? And she's like, yeah, I have four. And I was like, oh, word, like, like, and I was like, how old are they? And she's like, the youngest is four and then there's like, one is eight and then two are already in college. And I was like, oh, shit, wow. And then she was like, uh, she goes, she goes, uh, two were born in Mexico and then she was like, and two are born here.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  And I did, I wasn't interrogating her, but in that moment, I felt like she could think that that was a possibility. And then I did that fucking classic white thing where I like, I was like trying to relate. I don't know why I did this. This is so fucking brutally embarrassing, but I was, I was like, oh, my, my roommate in college was Mexican. We used to sing mariachi songs all the time. Uh, yeah, we would go to mariachi, we would sing. And then she just stopped talking.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Oh god, did I become like that guy?

• 37:03Speaker 03

  I've done that before.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  As you get richer, you stop relating to minorities. It's just like a thing that happens. I relate to you. Do you?

• 37:14Speaker 03

  I did that one time. We had a bunch of moving guys from China and they didn't really speak much English, but like fully Chinese. And I was like, yo, I'll play some music. Chinese moving?

• 37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy. I never... Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  They might have been spies. I don't know.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  I've seen Jewish moving guys. Yeah. How far down the fucking ladder do you have to be?

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Where you got, you got a bunch of guys with yarmulkes and the girls moving your shit around. Do they take them right from the West Bank? They're gonna be moving people's shit out of their house.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  They're the experts. They'll get you out in 30 minutes. Dove's not here for this call. Dove left the room immediately.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  But no, these Chinese guys came in. I was like, yo, what do you want me to play? Like, is there any music you guys really like? And they're like, no, it's whatever. So I was like playing like, like a Chinese techno song or whatever. It was like an Asian techno song.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Oh god dude.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  I was like trying, I was like, you know, trying to help them feel comfy. And then by the end, I was like, where are you guys from by the way? And they're like, oh, we're Kazakh.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  I was like, oh.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, wrong Asian.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  My bad. My bad dude. I didn't know Kazakh's looked Asian.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Kind of, yeah. I think the Koreans got over there somehow, man. Deadass.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  Really? It's Koreans?

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, them Koreans.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  I thought they were Borat.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think Koreans got over there.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Oh wow.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  Look that up.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Because there's a bunch of those Koreans in, um... They look like Middle Eastern Asian mix.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, it's probably that Silk Road shit too, but, uh... But that guy Bivul, the guy who fought this past weekend, who was phenomenal fight, Bitter Bia versus Bivul. Like, if you want to see highest level boxing, watch that. Yeah. One and two. Two was this past weekend. Bivul won. And, uh, but he's half Korean. So I think Koreans made their way into like the USSR somehow.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  Oh, this is hilarious. In the 1930s, thousands of Koreans in the Soviet Union were deported to Central Asia.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  Supposedly to prevent further Japanese espionage.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  That's one way of doing it, you know what I mean? We put them in the camp. They just let them go to Central Asia. That's kinda nice.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  It's also deporting Koreans to prevent Japanese espionage. It's really funny. That's a valid point, actually. That's a good counterpoint.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  How the fuck? You don't think we had a couple mistakes with the Japanese internment camps? You don't think there was a Chinatown in some of those internment camps?

• 39:25Speaker 04

  Also, if they're Japanese and said they're Korean, you're gonna be like, okay.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  But also, they send them to a country, but they already have a country.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  It's like, like they could have sent them back to Korea.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  On Kazakhstan.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude. Some of those deportation things are wild. My buddy Kristoff, you know Kristoff? He had a funny joke where he's like, you think on the deportation flights, when they send Mexican immigrants back to Mexico, the pilot still does an announcement? Like, he just gets on, he gets on mic, he's like, "Hey, guys, uh, it's gonna be a kind of a bumpy flight going to Mexico City. Better luck next time." And just like drops them off. Like, do they do the safety thing? Like, it's just such a funny idea. Like, you gotta get deported and you also have a middle, middle seat. You're like, fuck, dude.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  I mean, do we pay for the flight? How does that work?

• 40:09Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we just put them on like Spirit Air and we just send them down there, I think.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  And some people get first class.

• 40:15Mark Gagnon?

  It's the airline right now.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, true.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Have they not crashed at all?

• 40:19Speaker 04

  Delta keeps crashing, dog.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 40:22Speaker 04

  Delta keeps crashing.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  They had one, they had one.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  They, they had another, no, they had another had to die, or like it was diverted because it was on fire or smoking or something like that.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  That happens, bro.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  I saw some, I saw something that's probably fake.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  Thinking about switching, but I got.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  But, uh, it's, apparently there's been less crashes this year than any other year in recent history. It's just the, uh. It's just in the news. Yeah, but there's a term for that. It's a train derailment. What is that?

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Remember when in East Palestine, there was a train derailment? And then the next like four months, it was like, another train crash. This train got vandalized, the robbery on a train. And there's just all these train stories. And it's like, yeah, train stories are hot right now because of this big one. So let's just fill it up with train stories.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  I don't believe this.

• 41:01Mark Gagnon?

  No, it was the same thing with migrant crime.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:03Mark Gagnon?

  That was the big story, so they were reporting every single type of time.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  Here's what I'm saying. Train derailment, pretty big story. Migrant crime, that's like small things. Like, you can't really ignore, you can ignore a thousand migrant crimes and just say, you know what I mean? But a fucking Delta flight flipping on its complete 180. That's a big story. And if we're seeing more and more of those, then it's probably, like, it's never like they would under-report that before. That's always a story.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  You know, every one of the pilots that have crashed.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  Way home.

• 41:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Is.

• 41:35Mark Gagnon?

  You wanna finish the sentence?

• 41:36Speaker 01

  If you could guess, what would it be?

• 41:39Mark Gagnon?

  Gay?

• 41:41Speaker 01

  No, close.

• 41:43Mark Gagnon?

  He said, he said the flight was flaming on.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  No, it's a, it's a female pilot, you know, I don't wanna make a big deal about it, cuz people have died, lost their lives, but.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  In the, in the Toronto one, no one died, so you can make fun of it.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Female pilot also, no.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. But it was also a crosswind, right? So they say. But what was, what, what happened? What was she, she was trying to like.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  She didn't land, though, like, she didn't adjust well enough.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  She was trying to like, parallel park it or something?

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  I think she thought she saw an insect of some sort, and then hit a fucking hard left, and that shit just barrel rolled. That's what I think happens. I think it's hard for them to control their emotions in those moments. And they, she freaked out, that's my personal opinion.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  You saw the video of all of them getting off the plane, and the flight attendant grabbed the ass?

• 42:26Speaker 04

  What?

• 42:27Speaker 03

  You didn't see this? Hold on, let me pull this up. This is hilarious. Hold on, you didn't see?

• 42:31Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Oh, this is fire, hold on, let me, let me, let me look this up, hang on. Grabbed who's ass? The, the people coming off the plane. So people are like filing off, they're like, everyone get off, leave your stuff, leave your stuff, the flight attendant was like, just palms. I think it was a girl, but still, just like, palmed that thing.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Dude, I still, I was just gonna switch to Delta, do I still do this?

• 42:46Speaker 03

  Nah, Delta's fire.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  I got no status with these guys, I gotta start all over?

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Nah, you gotta go Delta, and you'll be there, you fly every single week, you'll be there faster than anybody, it's, yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  You're also not looking for upgrades, anyway, right? Like, you're buying yourself a, you know, first-class ticket or whatever.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I got that, but the high stats is kinda nice, they just hook you up, get, get on board early, all that little shit.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  You get on board, on board early, anyway, you're first class.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Everyone's getting off, right? Oh!

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Oh, nah, she's deep.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  Nah, she got in the hole.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  That was full on, right? She waxed before that, everything, like, she got fully caked up, oh!

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Oh, no, that's crazy.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  For no rea, oh, with the double tap? Unnecessary.

• 43:23Mark Gagnon?

  I mean.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  IUD's readjusted.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, IUD is completely readjusted.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  I mean, that's crazy, you get off the plane, your girl's in front of you, just getting, just getting grabbed up.

• 43:32Mark Gagnon?

  By that chick, I'm all right with it.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  I'm good.

• 43:35Mark Gagnon?

  You didn't help us put our bags up when we boarded, now you're grabbing ass on the way out.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Now fucking Steve Smith Senior is the flight attendant that we might have. Alright, now what's the deal, guys? We had a lot of, a lot of conversation on the internet about Doge.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Okay, um, seems like some people are pretty upset about this Doge.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, I don't get it. I'm actually on board with what I'm hearing. What was it, John, what was John Stewart saying?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Now, John had a, had a fire piece. John's the GOAT.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, we loved, obviously, I'm a big fan. Uh, I'm a fan, I'm a fan, I'm a fan. What'd he say?

• 44:05Mark Gagnon?

  He's just saying like, if you want to start cutting places, there's a lot of easier targets to cut.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Play, if we got the piece, you could play like the first like 30 seconds.

• 44:13Mark Gagnon?

  But they might bang us on YouTube.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  I guess, right. Yeah. Alright, so go, what is he saying?

• 44:18Mark Gagnon?

  But just like, hey, we can cut Pentagon defense spending, we can cut.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  Love all this.

• 44:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  We can stop giving, what was it, like, hedge fund, no, no, it was the gas companies, like, $3 billion in subsidies when they're already profitable by trillions of dollars.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  You know, doing the thing that John always does, which is like pointing out the most awesome things.

• 44:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  And, uh, yeah, he's just, he's just brilliant at it. So, so here's the frustration with Doge, and we're having this talk about on Idiots 2, is, uh, and it's a real bummer that this has become such like a bipartisan conversation because, or no, a partisan conversation, because there is bipartisan support for it.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Like, I feel like every single American is like, yo, there's probably some government inefficiency. No one really trusts the government that much anymore, right? They either don't trust the Republicans, they don't trust the Democrats, or they don't trust the institutions as a whole.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Right? So, this is the time in history to go get some of the bloat out of government. Right? Because we all seem to support it. Even Bernie Sanders is like, yo, I don't agree with Trump on everything, but I do agree we should look into that Pentagon budget. Why have they never been audited?

• 45:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Like, there is support here. And because of the way that they're maybe going about it, right, they're kind of, I don't even know if this has happened historically. Charlemagne was pointing out that like Clinton did it, but he did it through government. But because this guy, who's this very polarizing figure, Elon, is coming in and he's just seemingly hacking away at these different industries that are connected to government. Some people feel like without any real justification. Like I guess maybe they don't understand why he feels so confident that he can cut these jobs.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Is that, is that the concern?

• 46:03Mark Gagnon?

  He's also hired a lot back.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  And then some of them are hired back, which I think should happen.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that's fine.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  But I guess the tricky thing right here, I'm curious you guys take on this, is that like, there's all this support. And because Elon is so polarizing, I actually think it's going to be harder to execute something that Americans as a whole do want.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  So this is one of those things where like being antagonistic and polarizing, like being what Elon is, is actually hurting

• 46:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  a very bipartisan supported effort, which is to clean up government.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  And I wonder if he can look at this and learn and go, oh shit, I'm actually doing something that people want to do. That people want in a way that is going to make it harder. Or do you think he just looks at it as a CEO and goes, I'm cutting and I don't give a fuck what you want.

• 46:48Mark Gagnon?

  No matter.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  That one.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  And that's just going to piss people off.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 46:51Mark Gagnon?

  But that's how he's done with every company.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  But government's not a company.

• 46:55Mark Gagnon?

  Twitter.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  But go on, go on, go on.

• 46:56Mark Gagnon?

  That's why they got him for it. They're like, hey, you gotta start treating the government like a company.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  Which I don't disagree with in principle at all.

• 47:03Mark Gagnon?

  I, I do. Cause it's like, these are government agencies that were put there to fix a problem. It wasn't like, hey, this is just a profitable thing that we just have to, our only concern is making profit.

• 47:16Speaker 04

  Here's where I would say, and then maybe there's a middle ground between what I'm saying and what you're saying. If you are not driven on some, in some fashion, by some kind of bottom line, there is going to be bloat, because there's no incentive for the government to ever lay off anyone. And this is where I agree with what Vivek was saying. The government bloats because you can't fire anybody, because why would you? Government employees, they don't have to work hard, they don't have to do anything. This simple email, this seemed to cause, and to me, I'm an idiot. Simply asking, what did you get done this week? Is a very easy thing. And if you can't, if you have trouble with that email, to me, it's as an idiot. Granted, it seems like you didn't do anything this week, probably. And your job is probably loseable.

• 47:58Mark Gagnon?

  And I look at that as like, yo, who the fuck are you? I have people that I report to, heads of my agency. They're the ones that I answer to. I'm not answering to some motherfucker who just was granted this power. And unconstitutionally, and now I have to just, I have to prove my worth to this guy? Fuck it.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  I got this message from Jason, uh, yesterday at 11:03 PM.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Guys, I don't recommend sending a Doji email to your wife to provide five bullet points of what they accomplished.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  That's a Jason dude. So good. That's really good. Yeah.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  We should do that and just get the reaction.

• 48:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, hold on.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  I'm gonna drop it right now and just see, and there's no context. Let me, I'm gonna ask.

• 48:54Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, how are you framing it?

• 48:56Speaker 03

  I'm gonna say, hey, can you send me just a five bullet point message?

• 48:59Speaker 04

  Are we all doing this?

• 48:59Speaker 03

  This last week?

• 49:04Speaker 01

  No, I can't do it.

• 49:05Mark Gagnon?

  Come back with like a list. Come back with like a list of 20. And she gonna be like, word?

• 49:11Speaker 01

  I already told, I already told my wife what Jason texted the group.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too, me too.

• 49:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, she's listening in live now.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  I wonder if that's even, uh, I wonder if that's a real piece of change that he's trying to implement? Or that's just an antagonistic measure to rile up the base?

• 49:34Speaker 04

  I don't care either way. Send the fucking email.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  To me, just send the email, like, oh, I'm antagonized, so I'm not gonna report on what I did. If you did something, send the email.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  Well, what does it do? I think that's, my question about it is like. What does it do? It just puts them in a position where they're gonna have to potentially lie. I just don't know if it's effective. Nobody's gonna answer that email. I've done nothing. You should probably fire me next. They're gonna find bullshit that they did, so we don't actually get to clean anything up. And now you've got people bickering online over something we actually agree on.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're also gonna use AI to like analyze it, I think, which that might be easy to trick.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 50:10Speaker 03

  Like, I think, like, they're like getting all these federal emails, like, from thousands and thousands of people, so they're gonna have-

• 50:14Speaker 06

  Five million federal employees.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  So they're gonna have AI like parse what people did on like the top performing people and the lower performing people.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  And so that seems gamifiable to me.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Yo, I wonder if they, if they went about this a little different, like, instead of doing it on a person-to-person basis, which these emails are, right? Cause that's when I, I start to have empathy for someone who's about to lose their job and now said, hey, provide for their family, right? And now I'm less supportive of these cutting measures that Doja's doing. But rather analyze the different, um, I don't, I don't know what you would even call them, like, what would you call, like, um, it's not a business-

• 50:49Speaker 03

  Department?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Department, yeah. Analyze these departments for inefficiency as a whole. Prove transparently to the American people that there is inefficiency there. Like, I thought the most effective thing they did, and I don't even know if it's true, is showed all the dead people that are still getting the social security. Right? I don't even know if that's a real thing, but if you could actually show proof that dead people were getting social security, like, people who've been dead 200 years, still getting social security? You have unanimous support from Americans to be like, alright, well, cut that guy's social security, he's been dead 200 years. So start at the department. Show the inefficiency. And then you could pass it off to the senators or whoever you want to pass some sort of legislation to cut parts of that department.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  But when you go person to person and judging off the email they said, now I start to feel like, well, shit, I had a lazy week last week, but two weeks ago I was working overtime every single night and you didn't email me then?

• 51:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I think Elon's perspective, and he reposted this thing from Milton Friedman, which is basically- They just go through every department and he just says, cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it. I think Milton Friedman had three that he wanted to keep. It was like justice.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  I forget, there was like two others, I don't even remember.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:55Speaker 03

  But everything else gotta go. Cut all of them.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  So then why are you even emailing if you know what you gotta cut?

• 52:00Speaker 04

  Well, I think that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to use that as proof to be like, yeah, all these gotta go. Oh, also, can we just do a little sports real quick? Yeah, of course. Because this is a big, it's gonna have, I guess, already happened, but tonight, Luca and the Lakers are playing Dallas, the Dallas Mavericks for the first time since Luca got traded. So I truly believe Luca will score 60. Like, not even a fucking question in my mind, Luca scores 60. I, whatever, if you wanna put money on Luca over, take it. This guy, first of all, Low's playing on nationally televised games. He's keenly aware of when those moments are, and he always plays better. And he has an extra vendetta, like, the Mavs traded this guy and then just said he was fat and lazy and out of shape. And he's gonna be like, I will show you fat and lazy and out of shape.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  And he had his first good game as a Laker on Friday. He had like 35, he had like 36, 18, some like, some crazy stat line. He's going to fucking destroy them, and I'm gonna love it.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  These guys are insane, these guys are insanely competitive, so obviously he's gonna go for it. Do you think that the Lakers support it? Do you think the Lakers are gonna feed him all night?

• 53:01Speaker 04

  And I also think LeBron is such a, he's a batter in your back guy. Like, the difference between him and Jordan, and you can side however you want, but Jordan was, I'm gonna take care of this guy, Kobe's, I'm gonna take care of this guy. LeBron is, we're gonna take care of this guy, I'm gonna put the batter in your back to give you your best performance. I guarantee you LeBron's in his ear all week. Do you do whatever you gotta do, this is your show, you're the best player, telling him everything.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Is it in LA or Dallas?

• 53:24Speaker 04

  It's gonna be in LA, the Dallas one is April 9th, I think.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  That would be fun.

• 53:27Speaker 04

  I wanna go to that game.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, you should.

• 53:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I wanna start to fuck you, Nico Chan. How do you think Anthony Davis will go now? Hurt, probably in pain. Yeah, I've been seeing, I've been seeing. Fucking Laker fans, idiots. I was going off on the trade and so many fucking idiot Lakers fans were like, you don't know what you've got in Anthony Davis. The first game he got hurt, quarter three, playing out of his mind for three quarters. Hurt might be a season-ending injury. And apparently, there's rumors that it was an injury that the Mavs, like, the team knew he had, but they just pushed the trade through and forced it through. And then when they found out how bad it was, they didn't do an adequate physical. There's a rumor they tried to get the trade rescinded, but everybody had already played games, and it was too late. Bunch of fuck, a bunch of fucking. Bunch of fucking idiots and I hope Luca scores 82 on you.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  I hope he eclipses Kobe, God bless Kobe, but I hope he does better. It's gonna be exciting, you should watch. And honestly, just yeah, bet the Lakers over.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  It's fun to root for white guys, right?

• 54:24Speaker 04

  If not, yeah, even if this has already happened, April 9th. Dude, yeah.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  It is.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  I'm pro DEI.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  It's exciting.

• 54:29Speaker 04

  I'm pro DEI, so I'm pro Luca. I love a confident white guy.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 54:33Speaker 04

  I love JJ Reddick. I love, I love what the Lakers got going on over there. I love Austin Reeves. It's a white team. Hey, this is the only time Showtime is gonna be punctual.

• 54:46Speaker 01

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• 54:51Speaker 04

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• 54:52Speaker 01

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• 54:55Speaker 01

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• 54:58Speaker 04

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• 54:58Speaker 01

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• 55:03Speaker 04

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• 55:03Speaker 01

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• 55:08Speaker 04

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• 55:09Speaker 01

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• 55:10Speaker 04

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• 55:13Speaker 01

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• 55:21Speaker 04

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• 55:22Speaker 01

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• 55:27Mark Gagnon?

  Pretty much going to every department and just firing everyone that's on probation. Cause those are the ones you can get away with firing, cause they're not, you know, their job isn't actually finalized yet.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 55:38Mark Gagnon?

  And it's like, even that, it's like, alright, so now all this young crap of people who are probably qualified, because if they got hired in the first place.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:46Mark Gagnon?

  Now you're just getting rid of all that. And now you're gonna have just a bunch of old people who've been doing it the old way all this time. It's like, where's the change? Like, you're gonna just have the same thing going on and...

• 55:57Speaker 04

  I don't know that that's necessarily true.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Cause usually what they do is they fire the old people because they make way more money.

• 56:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but they're firing all of the people on probation.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  But why would the young people be on probation?

• 56:07Speaker 06

  To clarify, it's not a punishment probation, it's a probationary hiring period. We're on the beginning and end of it.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  So maybe what they're doing is, maybe the thought behind it is, hey, these people aren't even officially hired. And if we know that these departments... Have a lot of bloat. Why would we fire the people that have been working there for decades? And that's what they've committed their life to. Why don't we lay off the people?

• 56:26Speaker 04

  I think that's what you start with. And then eventually they're going to start cutting some of the bloat as well. I do think it's a multi-step process. I do think I'm OK with overcutting government right now because I know what will happen over time is things get added and added and boded again. So it's just like, let's cut as much as we can now. And I'm sure over time.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  That's a good point because this is not like a one-time fix. You're going to have to do this every single fucking year.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  Until the end of the country. And unfortunately, probably are at a point where we're so bloated that we're going to need some pretty drastic cuts.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  And dude, I was in California this weekend. Weather's obviously fucking awesome, all that, but you're like, oh, you're taxing us at 51% if you're in the top income bracket. But homelessness is still a rampant issue. Education didn't seem to be very good, like public school system doesn't be. And I'm not saying taxes never work and not taxing always works at all. But there is, you have to accept that that money seems to be getting used inefficiently. At least in the states that get taxed the highest. So why not cut those budgets down? See if the money can get used efficiently. At the very least, we're not wasting our tax money.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  I talked to an FBI guy recently and I was asking about like Cash Patel and like shutting down the Hoover Building, all this stuff. He's like, you shouldn't shut it down. But he's like, there is so much bureaucracy and bloat within the FBI that you just have like people that have been there for 20 years that haven't done a case in like three decades. Or like they've been there for their whole life, haven't done a case in three decades. And they don't know what's going on and they get more risk averse over time. So like, he's like, when I started, I was getting assigned on all these jobs. We were getting all these different cartels. We were getting all these different organized crime things. And now I'm trying to get assigned to stuff and they're like, ah, it's too risky, don't do it. And he's like, but my job is to go in and infiltrate and get these gangs. So like, what is my purpose? And like slowly, he was getting pulled back and put on more easier jobs, like busting buys and like little crack things. And he was like, this is a waste of time.

• 58:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  So they're getting more risk averse. They're getting more comfortable in their positions. And he's like, yeah, you do need to get rid of a lot of people.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  I wonder if that has to do with the like the reward matrix. Like with, you know, cops, I think in the city, there's a quota to the amount of like tickets they have to give out. So. You could go and find the really egregious things and go give them a ticket. Or you could wait in like a dark side street of a place where you know guys do like drag racing a lot.

• 58:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  And then clip them every Friday night when they're drag racing.

• 58:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  Like, I wonder if you just gravitate towards the easiest things, which is the risk averse situation. But when at the FBI, the thing that's gonna probably help the country the most is when you're going at the most dangerous.

• 58:54Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  So now you're clipping this low level bullshit that isn't really helping every, the everyday person, just so you can meet your quota.

• 59:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  So maybe you need to restructure the reward.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. And again, multi-step process. I think this is step one. I don't think this is the perfect solution. I just like actionable steps being taken.

• 59:10Mark Gagnon?

  I just, I just wish they, because I like the fact that somebody from outside is coming in to make these changes.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Agreed.

• 59:17Mark Gagnon?

  Because I don't think people from within, we can't ask you, hey, how can we take money away from you? And how can we fire your people? They're not gonna.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  And if you, if you were gonna change it, you would have already done it.

• 59:27Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:28Mark Gagnon?

  But I think they should work alongside. So you have Elon working alongside with some of these department heads and things like that. And now it's like, okay, he's like, what does this department do? What, like, what is this money for? Like, you have to do a bit more surgical cuts than the way that they're doing it right now. Because you saw they fired people that were in charge of fucking the nuclear warheads and shit like that, had to hire them back. And like, that could have been a crazy mistake.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Like, that could have been. I get, I get what he's saying. Like, there is risk to the overfiring, especially in certain sectors.

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  I agree. I just, I don't necessarily think that risk is as, like, I don't think the risk is so catastrophic. I think potentially firing these guys, we're not, we're not gonna be like, oh shit, a nuke got fired. Like, it's just, we're not firing the guys that are.

• 1:00:13Mark Gagnon?

  No, but that could have happened.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  I don't, I think that's a bit hyperbolic. That's all I'm saying.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Also, you could hire them back. It's not like they're gonna work for like the nuke place down the block.

• 1:00:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. They're the nuke guys.

• 1:00:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but we just don't know how much like other countries are targeting that thing. Like, say if there's one person who's like cybersecurity, protecting other countries from accessing our nukes. And now we were just like with no security there for like a day or two.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  I mean, if.

• 1:00:37Mark Gagnon?

  And that was the one time, boom, they got in.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  If I'm like any of our ops, I'm trying to get a spy into Doge.

• 1:00:45Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  And I'm trying to get them to push cuts in certain sectors that would be advantageous for me as the opposition. So I want them to cut. Defense spending.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  I want them to cut uh any sort of like security apparatus. Maybe it's a nuclear program. I would want them to cut development programs in AI or these other technological things that are really going to put America ahead of every other country in the world. Now, I'm sure there are certain measures that are, you know, put in place to like stop that from happening, but that's kind of how I'm thinking about this is like a once in a lifetime opportunity if you're another country.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  Bro, the way these other countries do this shit is so wild. I I was reading this story. I was talking to this FBI guy and he was telling me this thing that he infiltrated that they had, there's a guy that's one of like the top neo Nazis on Twitter and he has like a bunch of Twitter accounts and he's just putting like all this racist bullshit.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  What's his name?

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  Ronaldo Nazario is putting all this like super racist shit. He just runs like hate pages. He's like, the Jews do this, black people do this, da, da, da. Look at this crime. We got to make America white. He's like a white supremacist. He lives in St. Petersburg.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  Apparently.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Russia or or Florida?

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  In Russia. Yeah, that's important. And yeah, he's in Russia. Apparently he's like a teacher that teaches English, but is getting paid like apparently someone like audited his bank account, like hacked into his thing. He's getting paid like millions of dollars to be like an English teacher allegedly and is pumping all this neo Nazi shit, creating neo Nazis in America, aggregating all these like incel kids. And then basically from St. Petersburg in Russia is like convincing them to do domestic terrorism. And like they're literally putting in spies, like domestic terrorists infiltrating, getting them riled up, get somehow getting the money in some cases, aggregating all of them, getting them like training techniques, sending them like field manuals from the Marines and shit. And basically like promoting them to do acts of terrorism.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  And half of these idiots don't even, no, I bet 99% of these idiots don't even realize they're being manipulated.

• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  They actually think they're fighting a good fight.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  They're like, this guy's on point. He's got all the real research. I'm going to go and do my YouTube, my, my, my YouTube or my, my Googling to find out why this is all justified and you can find justification for anything. I mean, their motherfuckers believe the earth is flat.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  So, so they are out there thinking they're doing the Lord's work when they're doing Putin's.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  Crazy. And then they're setting up like, yo, we're going to shoot up this thing. We're going to try to free this guy from prison. We're going to go kill this family because they're communists and they're literally plotting all the shit, buying all the equipment. And this FBI guy infiltrated them to take them out.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  There's a guy, I forget his name, but he was bragging about how he was like one of the most viewed people on Twitter, right? And uh, and a lot of his shit is just like, the Jews do this, the Jews do that, right? And they probably do, but. But that's what his Twitter is. And he was talking about, he's like, yeah, I was one of the most viewed on Twitter. And I wonder if he even realized that like those views might be amplified by our opposition.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  They want that unrest in America.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  This is perfect.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  And he's out there going, no, the people really understand what I'm saying. They really care about what I'm saying. It's like, no, Russia does, China does. They don't even give a fuck about the Jews or not. It could be anybody. It could be Black Lives Matter. I'm sure that they were pumping the exact same people that were shitting all over Black Lives Matter. Wow.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  This is the kind of information that we need out there. So the people don't succumb to it. Because you get those views, you know, your tweets are popping. You think you're lit.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  You think you found out.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Yeah, this is literally from the BBC, this article. This guy, Nazar, is running a militant group from Russia.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  And this is just one guy. Like, I don't even know how many other guys there are that are doing this kind of stuff.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  I'm sure we're doing the same shit.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Over there, but they start to restrict their internet for that reason. Like, we act like they restrict the internet in these other countries because like they want to control the ideology within the country. You can control the ideology within your country very easily.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  You can't control it from the outside. Like, I bet there's way more restriction in other countries simply because they got to worry about their ops. And we are probably the best at it.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Oof.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a weird thing because like, I'm not anti-free speech. Like, I think we should have free speech, but also people need to know how free speech can be used against them.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  So then that's the education process.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  Now, you might see something, it's like some racist guy on Twitter posting funny memes. You're like, oh yeah, that's kind of cool. But like, you get in with them and then you start messaging them and then they're like, oh yeah, come join our like, you know, our Telegram or whatever. And then you get on a Zoom call with them, then you get vetted by this guy in Russia. He does a one-on-one call with you to see if you're good. Sends you an address to go to, you meet with the guys over there.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  You think Dan Bilzerian knows this?

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Do you think he knows he's been tricked into doing this?

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  Why has he become such like, the Jews do everything bad? Like, this pivot for him, like, he was just getting, he was partying, getting pussy, you know, shooting machine guns. And now all of a sudden, he's like, the Jews are to blame for everything.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  We're getting this hot right now. You get crazy views on it.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  But, but does he not get views off the pussy anymore? Like have, has culture moved away from it? And now he had to find another grift?

• 1:05:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  It's interesting to see these guys pivot. And they all have pivoted in the same direction. Like, all the Manosphere guys are now the Jews of the problem of the world. Not all, but you've seen a lot of them gravitate into that space. Now they're like political experts. They're analysts on culture.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  It's just polluting the otherwise perfectly accurate message.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, y'all were right about that.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  But it's like, to see, to see the exact groups pivot the message exactly. Do you think they know that they're being tricked and manipulated?

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, I think they're all just kind of following whatever works.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Is it just the trend? Is it like, oh, this is hot on the internet, so I'm gonna go?

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  I don't have talent, so where's the views?

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Placing bag in the wind, I'm just gonna rile shit up.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  You're sounding limp-hilled right now, dude.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  Am I limp-hilled?

• 1:06:18Mark Gagnon?

  You're giving them more credit than I think they deserve. I think a lot of them don't realize they're being manipulated.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, I agree. They don't realize it. But I think what Akas is saying, oh, I thought what you were saying is they're just going towards the views. The views are in this direction, they're just following it.

• 1:06:34Speaker 04

  That's what I think.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  And they have no clue they could be manipulated by a foreign government.

• 1:06:38Mark Gagnon?

  Got you, okay.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  Bro, are you a Jew lover, dude? Dude, ever since you went Hollywood, bro.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  I can't believe you fucking said that, dude. Fuck that, dude. I don't believe in DEI.

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Dude, white supremacy is such DEI. Why don't we ever have that conversation?

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Like, these white guys who are like, I believe in meritocracy. Except, oh, white people should control everything. And we gotta stop letting everybody else control us. Alright, then control it, man. How did the Jews control the world they can't even control Jew lands? There's a little piece of land that they've been fighting over, yet they control the whole world?

• 1:07:12Speaker 04

  We talked about that with the Vivek rant. It's like, you guys love what Vivek is saying if you think he's talking to black people. The second white people get told, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. How fucking dare you?

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  They go DEI, right?

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  How dare you? White people love DEI when it's for white people. That shit is so gay.

• 1:07:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  This needs to be a white country. Make it white. Some babies pussy.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Go to the IVF doctor like your boy. If you can't get it done, you know Elon's out here trying to keep it white. He got 13 motherfucking babies. He's doing his part. I this shit is so pussy. Whenever you see.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Got 13 baby mamas all suing him.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  But there is something to that, like the the white supremacy shit being DEI, because if you think you're the best, go be the best.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Like, don't cry about it. Just do it. Like, white people colonized the entire world during that time. They weren't like, oh, we need to be the best. We're the master. They were just doing it. They were just like, look, the sun doesn't set on the British Empire. We don't got to tell you anything.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Go back to that. Build a ship.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  Build a ship.

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  Get a long boat.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  Colonize somebody.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Grow your beard out.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Don't fucking cry on Twitter about the Jews.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, white supremacy is lame, dude.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  I just like.

• 1:08:25Speaker 03

  Racism, that makes more sense.

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  Racism kind of fire.

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  Racism makes more, because that's easier to get on board with. You'd be like, hey, those people smell. You'd be like, all right, cool. Yeah, I'm with that. Talking about you? No, I'm just saying, it's whoever you want it to be. You you put anyone in there. That's a choose your own adventure. But those people smell.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  Let's get back to the show.

• 1:08:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, how do you feel about the Nazi salutes? Because now those are.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Who Bannon threw one up?

• 1:08:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  But he's just a fucking.

• 1:08:49Mark Gagnon?

  But like now, does that put any credence on what Elon did? Or because clearly what Bannon did was intentional. Like, we can't say that was.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  I think what he did is, I think he did it. I think he just wants attention. Like, I think Bannon's on the outs. He's just trying to get attention. He's trying to rally people. This is what he's been good at. But now he's no longer on the inside. So he's just trying to like, get shit going and cook stuff up. And the only way he knows how to do it is to be super antagonistic and he can tap into that core.

• 1:09:18Mark Gagnon?

  But you don't think they also see the rise of white supremacy and they're like, yo, we gone? Rowl it up.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  Ah, he's got great hair.

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  It could be.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  He's got a great.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  It could be. I also think to Schultz's point, it's the same thing where the red pill guys are doing where it's like, oh, okay, here's an opportunity. Let me, let me make some noise. Let me get some attention. Let me do whatever. Let me throw this hand up. You see what I'm saying? Like to Schultz's point, I need attention. I'm starved for attention. I'm not getting it any other way because I'm not good enough at what I do. So I have to reach for this low hanging fruit.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Bannon just wants attention.

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  It's also worth noting like even this guy was talking, he's like the white, the neo-Nazi shit is like, there's maybe like a couple thousand. It's like, it's not like this rampant thing. Not all Republicans are neo-Nazis. Like not all of them.

• 1:10:01Mark Gagnon?

  No, of course not.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  The vast majority probably.

• 1:10:03Mark Gagnon?

  All groups start small and then keep going.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:10:06Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like, that's the shit. I don't want people to get comfortable with that.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Miles, tell us about your people. Go.

• 1:10:13Speaker 06

  No, I just also think the fear is that like, these are people that are very close to Trump. They're, even if they're a small group, they're, this Steve Bannon was his former like chief strategist.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  They're in the outs now though? Elon, I understand the fear more.

• 1:10:25Speaker 06

  Like he's at the largest political activist group for conservatives. Like.

• 1:10:30Speaker 04

  No, that's valid. That's valid.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Speaker 06

  They're in position, even if they're not within the cabinet, they're within pretty high positions within this. I think that's the fear people are having.

• 1:10:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. And you normalize that shit.

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  But a lot of these neo-Nazis hate Trump. Like they hate Republicans. They hate America because America is like funding.

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  No, his point is just in general.

• 1:10:47Mark Gagnon?

  Trump or Kamala?

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what's interesting. So this guy was saying that a lot of them voted for Hillary. They voted for Kamala because they're accelerationists. They're like, if we vote for Hillary, the whole country will get destroyed. The border will be open. Police will be defunded. And then that'll lead us to our ultimate D-Day, which is when white people.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  So you're, I think you're arguing different things too. I think you're arguing that true neo-Nazis and what they believe and feel is one thing. And I think Alex is saying, making it normal, making it okay to just throw up a Nazi salute, will move people toward being more okay with racism, correct?

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  And you take away from the actual criticism. Like you should be able to criticize Israel like every other fucking country in the world.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  Like we criticize Canada left and right. We can't criticize Israel?

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Like literally all of us called Justin Trudeau a cuck.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Every single day for like three years straight. We can't talk about fucking Bibi Netanyahu? Of course we can't.

• 1:11:36Mark Gagnon?

  But then sometimes Jewish people tie it in. If you criticize Israel, then it's like, oh, that's anti-Semitic.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Which is unfair, but when you throw a fucking Nazi salute up, now it gives them credence to thinking that it's anti-Semitic.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  They have their ammo to go, look at that.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  If you don't do that, if you're just, if you're just like, yo, that guy who runs a country is a piece of shit.

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Or call him gay, like we did Justin Trudeau. That's really effective. Nobody's tried that with him. Question is sexuality.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Justin Trudeau had to step down. That's facts.

• 1:12:05Mark Gagnon?

  But then how come you're at this conservative convention and no one is?

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  We don't know if no one's pushing back. There are, there are people that not.

• 1:12:13Mark Gagnon?

  Barely. I don't see Fox News saying, oh, that was so wrong of him doing that.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  I don't watch enough Fox to know. I don't watch enough Fox.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  And we don't hear, we don't hear it in the zeitgeist.

• 1:12:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like Trump should be coming out, yo, I don't agree with that. The fact that you're not.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  Trump would never do that, but to your point, the zeitgeist doesn't seem to be like, we didn't even know about that. The zeitgeist doesn't seem like the fuck is this guy doing at the CPAC?

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Also, there's so many people that like, this is the other thing, and I will defend politicians, even on both sides of this, is like, you don't have to come out against every single thing.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  That some within your party does. Like, it's not up to the leader of the Democratic Party to talk about the fringe senator that says there's 67 genders and be like, I don't believe in that. Which, to be honest, is just as like annoying to the American voter. It might be advantageous to do that for the Democrats to like call them out, but it's not up to comma, whoever the fuck is out there for every single senator that opens their mouth or every single like local congressman that opens their mouth and says some goofy shit to be like, I disavow, I disavow. You could be disavowing all day.

• 1:13:10Mark Gagnon?

  Steve Bannon at CPAC.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  But he's kicked out. For me, I'm like, if I'm part of Trump squad, I'm like, yo, we kicked that goofy motherfucker out. He's just trying to get attention. I don't even know why you let him on stage.

• 1:13:19Mark Gagnon?

  You say that.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  No, I don't.

• 1:13:20Mark Gagnon?

  But the fact that you say quiet, it's like.

• 1:13:22Speaker 04

  Hmm. I don't think Trump's got to say anything necessarily. I think Al's point does hold some credence or whatever credibility though, in that it doesn't seem to be any, nobody seems to be reacting, which is a little crazy. Nobody, there's no tweets that we're seeing, there's no nothing, there's no stories. I don't think Trump has to acknowledge everything. I think we put that on him.

• 1:13:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I don't say everything. I think that's at a level that.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  I don't personally, I'm like, there's people who take shots at us sometimes or say crazy, and we're like, we're not even giving them oxygen.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:13:49Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  But I think the fact that nobody's saying anything is a little weird.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Below the level of of react to. He's just a citizen at this point. He's not even part of government. Like if he's influential in this, what is it called? C, not CPAC. It's CPAC?

• 1:14:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  If he's influential in CPAC, if he actually is, or if he's just a speaker that's up there, I think that's where you decide. If he's actually influencing where the money goes, because if the money starts getting clipped, then maybe, you know, Trump starts to speak up. But at the same time, like, there's no way Steve Bannon is going to say something, and then they're going to stop funneling money into Trump's agenda. Fuck no. Conservatives are running everything right now. If anything, they should be telling Bannon, yo, can you shut the fuck up? We're actually doing some good work right now. We have everything under control. You're gonna fuck this whole thing up and make everything radioactive, because that's the only way you know how to get attention. The Bannon is the type of guy, the only way he knows how to get attention is just make it radioactive. There are certain people that can get attention from art. There's certain people can get attention from creativity. There's certain people can get attention from, from literally understanding what's going on

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  and delivering the facts in a fun and knowledgeable way. Like, that's a Jon Stewart, right? Like, I don't think anybody goes, oh, he's just biased. He's trying to manipulate people when Jon talks. Right? Like, we trust him. But Bannon is just, how do I be radioactive? Oh, if I throw this up, I'll do it. It's like wrestling to him. Like, I literally think he's up there and he's just going.

• 1:15:06Mark Gagnon?

  So they looking at him like Kanye?

• 1:15:07Speaker 04

  Kanye is what I was thinking.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  I, I, I don't, I can't tell you what they are. That's what I look at him as. I'm like, I don't take that guy seriously.

• 1:15:13Speaker 04

  But if you take CPAC seriously, I don't think you have him speak.

• 1:15:15Mark Gagnon?

  This is the largest conference. This is like their big conference.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no. I think that you gotta look at it, you gotta be like, what the fuck?

• 1:15:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  And I think you gotta have some maybe behind the scenes talk, but if he comes out and talks about it publicly, what do you think Bannon's gonna do with that? Bannon is gonna use that as oxygen.

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  He's gonna light it up even further.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  He's like, he's gonna say, this guy Trump is defending a migrant over me, who actually cares about America. I think giving him any oxygen is gonna divide the party even further. And this is what fucking happens every single time. You get in power, you have an agenda, you're ready to go, and then some motherfucking egotistical narcissist that has no ability to execute anything.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Parasite.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Comes in and for their own indulgence.

• 1:15:58Mark Gagnon?

  Elon and Bannon, which one?

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  I'm not. What's going on? Elon, oh, it gotta be. Elon is the bank. You know what I mean? He gonna have to parasite.

• 1:16:07Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, he gave, what, 240 mil to me?

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  270.

• 1:16:10Mark Gagnon?

  To make.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  270.

• 1:16:11Mark Gagnon?

  Two bills, so he's.

• 1:16:15Mark Gagnon?

  He's seeping, he's getting some returns.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:16:18Mark Gagnon?

  You know, you can call that harassing as well.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't love the turn Elon has taken in general in terms of like everything being a fucking conservative talking point and like, oh, the South African genocide of white people is the, he said it was the biggest issue in our lifetime. And it's like, you were alive when South Africa was actually apartheided, right? That wasn't, I don't think it's the biggest genocide in Rwanda. It's like, watching him parrot these Republican talking points is also nauseating. Like, you're smart enough to have an opinion on your own.

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  So that's my criticism of Elon. I don't look at him the same way I look at Steve Bannon.

• 1:16:49Mark Gagnon?

  And it does suck because I really used to be an Elon guy.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  I'm still an Elon guy.

• 1:16:54Mark Gagnon?

  I'm like, with everything he's been doing lately, it's hard for us.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Separate the art from the artist.

• 1:17:00Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I don't mind those.

• 1:17:03Mark Gagnon?

  My Trump.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  Are you afraid your shit's gonna get vandalized? Have you seen that?

• 1:17:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, I had a dude throw a fucking snowball at the car.

• 1:17:11Speaker 03

  Alright, that could have been.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  That's not bad at all.

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  That could have just been because you're black.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  This is New York.

• 1:17:14Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, but they wouldn't do that to any regular car.

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  That was some, that was some cucky shit to complain about. That was unbelievable.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  I wanted to beat this motherfucker.

• 1:17:23Speaker 04

  Do that and don't talk about it on the podcast.

• 1:17:25Mark Gagnon?

  I'd send a group with it.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  But that, that's gonna come with it.

• 1:17:31Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying. Like, I think the car being a Cybertruck had something to do with the reason why they did it.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  It's an attention-seeking car. Not saying that that's what you want it for. There are other things. You've always loved Teslas.

• 1:17:42Mark Gagnon?

  No, I think they're throwing the snowball because it's Elon's.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  It could be Elon, but it's also, like, even if it wasn't Elon, even if somebody else owned it, it's such a different-looking car than anything else. And, you know, when eggs are $40 and you see a guy walk driving around in a spaceship, there's a moment, and you have a snowball in your hand, there's a moment where you go, you know what? Fuck that car.

• 1:18:04Speaker 04

  I keep that. I keep that shit.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Nah, that's not far.

• 1:18:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I drive with that even. What you doing? Making me more proud of my car?

• 1:18:11Speaker 03

  I think that is the biggest thing most people feel is they're like, alright, we're changing the Gulf of Mexico, we're cutting all these things, alright, but like, things are still expensive. Like, I think that's how most people feel. It's like, my day-to-day has not improved. It's like, we're doing all this stuff, that's cool, but like...

• 1:18:23Mark Gagnon?

  I'm wondering if they haven't buyers remorse yet.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I think there's so much excitement.

• 1:18:28Mark Gagnon?

  It's too early.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  And what has been achieved. And you have to understand, like, there are a lot of people that agree with what Trump and Elon are trying to do.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people. There's a lot of support behind it. Matter of fact, there is. We support it. We support it, right? Like, we're all sitting here going, yeah, we have to cut the bloaten government. The way that they're doing it.

• 1:18:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  We have to see. We have to see.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  Like, is that bad? My feeling in general is just like, let's just see what happens.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  That, no, I agree.

• 1:18:54Mark Gagnon?

  No, that's where I think we're all there.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  That's, I'm glad you said that. This is how, okay, there's a lot of liberal people that get very upset about this topic, right? Or they get very upset about Elon and what's happening. They're telling unconstitutional. Charlamagne was talking about that. And you have a lot of, like, liberal politicians, liberal pundits talking about as well. And I think the important thing to reflect on as well, I'm not saying don't talk about that, but the other thing to reflect on as well is we are so disillusioned with government and American institutions that we are willing to just see. Do you know how desperate you gotta be as a country where you're willing to just go, all right, let's try this?

• 1:19:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  If things were good for people.

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  We're fed up.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  You would go, I don't want to risk it. My life is pretty good. I, I'm concerned if we do this, my life could get worse.

• 1:19:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  You know how many people gotta be in a place where they're like, it can't get much worse? To go, let's see.

• 1:19:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, which I can understand the counterpoint. I'm sure there's people at the end of the Weimar Republic that was like, yeah, let's just, let's just see. Let's just see what's going on. And then by the time you see that it's bad, it's too late.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  Weimar Republic is what the, uh.

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  Like, the end right before Hitler takes over.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  So like, I can see people being like, oh, yeah, let's just wait and see. And then after you see, like, oh, this shit is fucked up, it's too late. So I can see the concern.

• 1:20:05Speaker 04

  Some of the fear. Sorry, I'm listening to some of these history podcasts now because sports has broken my heart and I'm looking for things to do. But like, when you hear about Caesar or Genghis Khan or whatever, and people are like, oh, this all right, Trump is doing the same things. I do see how some of the things you're like, it reminds you of what's happening. I don't think that's what's gonna happen, but I understand the fear. For Doge, I would say, this is the first time we have heard and seen any politician that's president take actionable steps that, as far as I know, to reduce government spending. Clinton.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  Clinton did it, and I was too young to understand it, probably. Charlotte was breaking it down. They fired 300,000 government workers under Clinton. But he did it with bipartisan support, like, so he did it through government.

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  And I think that was the big difference maker. And during Clinton, it was the first time in all of our lifetime. Budget surplus, right? Where we had a surplus. Yeah. Which would be nice. Yeah. That would be really fucking nice. Yeah. I think Americans are so detached from like our national debt. We're like, that shit ain't mine, that's the nation's debt, right? We're so detached that the only thing we think about is the repercussions of that debt, which might be the superinflation, the cost of goods being crazy.

• 1:21:14Speaker 03

  Interest rates.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  Interest wild, right? So, but we gotta knock that down to knock the rest of this down. I think if you knock the debt down, mortgage rates come down. Mortgage rates come down, the liquidity is out there. There's more money on the streets. Yeah. Better for everybody.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  So my feeling is like when where I see the difference with people like, oh, like Julius Caesar, Hitler, da-da-da, I'm like, my hope is that the checks and balances within the US government will be strong enough that if something goes too far, like Trump's like, yo, I'm dictated for life, that the checks will stop that.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  And I think that's the difference between where we are now and where we have been historically. And so that's my hope, and that's why I'm kind of a little more comfortable being like, yeah, it's just kind of.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Also, I think, I think where, or go out, go out.

• 1:21:49Mark Gagnon?

  I think it's like, I agree with you, but I think it's also important to point out shit while it's happening.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  Very fair, very fair.

• 1:21:56Mark Gagnon?

  Because like, if you just stay quiet and just let them do it, and then it might hit that point where it's.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  That's its own check and balance. Y'all saying things. First of all, since when do we push back on people checking the government?

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  Like, that's the most American thing to do.

• 1:22:14Mark Gagnon?

  But if it's the way they talk, it's like.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  No, no, what I'm saying is.

• 1:22:18Mark Gagnon?

  You're not gonna listen to what I say, you outta here.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  I know, of course, of course, which is very un-American. I think Americans will reject that. But what I'm trying to say is, right now, you have people pushing back to what they believe is government overreach, right?

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  That is happening from the left to the right because the right is in power. There was a time where the governments, where the right was pushing back against left government overreach during covid. Everybody go in your house, you gotta take the jab, etc. We gotta stop acting like we don't appreciate pushing back against government. It's part of like our nation's identity. Anytime we think that you're pushing a little too far, you're getting in my pockets, you're getting in my house, we push back. So on a fundamental level, even if you're on the right, you should appreciate the left going, hey, government. Yeah. Back the fuck up, chill out. Now, there's a part of you, if you're on the right, that goes, where the fuck was this energy when they were shoving shit in our arm that they don't know what the fuck it is?

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  But if you can step back for a second and be like, alright, maybe I don't agree with them, but I do, I respect their right to, to voice their opinion on this. And I fundamentally agree with them pushing back against government overreach. Yeah. Like, there is something you can connect on there.

• 1:23:26Mark Gagnon?

  I agree with you wholeheartedly, but then when you have the top-down person saying, if you don't do what the fuck I say, you're, wait till midterms, you're out of here. Or you're getting fired. Like, they're creating the climate where it's like, I don't want any talk back, and I don't want anybody doing anything I don't say.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Wait till midterms is, I think that's an important thing to distinguish. Wait till midterms is, your base is gonna reject you because this is what your base wants. It's not, well, Trump can't kick some, if he, if Trump was kicking out the Senator of Maine, or the Governor of Maine, or whatever the fuck it was, he would just do it now, he doesn't have to wait till midterms.

• 1:24:00Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm saying, wait till midterms, they can just fund having somebody run against you and kick you the fuck out of it.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Okay, that's politics, like, why would they not fund them already?

• 1:24:11Mark Gagnon?

  But it's, so, I think every elected official should speak for their constituents. It shouldn't be, hey, you just have to follow what daddy says.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  That is, that's what they all do, that's what the whip is, that's what Nancy Pelosi does.

• 1:24:25Mark Gagnon?

  No, I get it.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  But that's, that's where, that's where the elected officials have to speak for the people, because if they do, it doesn't matter how much money you throw against them. If you're actually speaking for your people and what they want, you will win. Trump got less money. Trump got way less money, do you know how much money they threw at the people going up against Trump?

• 1:24:41Speaker 04

  Kamala got the what's the record to the point that we all thought she was though she might actually win just cuz of money. It didn't matter.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  So now we're now we're in a situation where it's you're gonna basically force government officials to actually care what their people want, not what the special interest groups want. And if they're riding with these special interest groups, all of a sudden, the Trump administration is gonna go, it's interesting that they're really influenced by those big money donors, and they're not caring about what you really care about, which is the cost of eggs and the inflation and the bloating government. That's what we're gonna care about, and this is our guy, and he's gonna fix that for you. That's on you as a politician for not knowing what your people want.

• 1:25:20Speaker 04

  And and calling back to the Clinton thing, this is another reason, even though I find him politically very fucking corny now, Elon, I don't have a problem with Doge. Clinton was 32 years ago. Like when we were we were 90s kids.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:25:31Speaker 04

  How far back was the 60s in our brain? That's now that's the 90s now. You know what I mean? Like it's

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  It's been 32 years before anyone did anything.

• 1:25:41Speaker 04

  We just let it grow and grow and grow and grow. It's 32 years of bloat. We gotta take it out. And again, I'm not even just saying it cuz he's Indian. Part helps, but like Vivek being like, hey, this needs to get cut. It clicked with me with like, yeah, I didn't even know Clinton did it, but there's 32 years of bloat that just needs to get cut and we will overcorrect.

• 1:25:58Speaker 03

  We're all in agreeance.

• 1:25:59Speaker 04

  And that I'm OK there.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Now Vivek's Vivek's plan was to do it using the Constitution.

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  Yes, which I prefer.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  I think that probably would have been more digestible for the average, like politically inclined Americans.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Because they couldn't really reject the Constitution.

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  You can't argue the Constitution.

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:15Speaker 04

  I yeah, I think Vivek, I think they pushed the wrong guy out. Yeah.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  It's quicker to do it the way Elon. And

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  It's a risky strategy, though.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  Because if it if it bombs, the Democrats are gonna win the next four elections.

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. So you gotta hope that the first shit you do just like slaps.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  I think Trump sided with the money with Elon, and I think they pushed the wrong guy out. That's personally what I feel.

• 1:26:36Speaker 03

  With Vivek?

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think Vivek would have it would have and it would have overcorrected for sure. But like by the Constitution, can't really argue with it. It's gonna be some uproar, but we'll cut some muscle.

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  I love Vivek, but it's hard to go up against the rocket guy.

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  Of course, of course, of course.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Like, it's just so he's so impressive.

• 1:26:52Speaker 03

  The richest man in the world, bro.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean, if if we had to hire

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think of a job I wouldn't hire Elon for.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  I wouldn't hire him to watch my kids.

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  You seen the clip of him forgetting his kid at the thing? Just straight walking off, baby.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  Son of Kim Kardashian done that shit.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Great mother of the year, Kim Kardashian.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  There you go, there you go, alright.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  I wouldn't have him take your job.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  I think F A sent him.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  I think he made the pod worse.

• 1:27:26Speaker 04

  Here he is.

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  Nah, they should give views of him. He was on here every single week. So he just left his kid, bro.

• 1:27:32Speaker 04

  Pull it up, this shit is so funny.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  He's busy, bro. He's trying to cut, he's trying to cut. He's like, I got 13 of these little motherfuckers, keep up.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, he's trying to make more of them. That is wild.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  Look at the kid, look how far back the kid is, dog.

• 1:27:45Speaker 03

  Now, people did post the full video where like, he's like, come on, little buddy, let's go. And he's like, woo. And then he like goes downstairs. And then he keeps on saying bye. His little homies going slow, he doesn't realize he got shorter legs. And he's like, oh, come, come on, little buddy.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Ah, that's not as bad, that's not as bad, okay.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  See, this is perfect.

• 1:28:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  This is a perfect example of fake news.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  Fake news.

• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  I got fake news.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  Nah, that's fucked up.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  I still wouldn't have him watch my kid, though.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's busy, I want you working on shit.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  So we're gonna see, how long do you think it is before we feel some of the negative or positive effects of the cuts?

• 1:28:24Speaker 04

  I think short term we'll feel more pain, I think. I just think in general, a lot of the ideas are gonna cause some short term pain for long term gain.

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  I think it's gonna be so hard to tell, I literally think it's gonna be like a Rorschach. Like, like, let's say prices come down for everything. Like, depending on.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  That like ink blot shit where you see what you feel already?

• 1:28:40Speaker 03

  Like, I wonder if like people on the left will see all the media, like, they cut this thing and there's a teacher that died and then the homeless thing got worse. And even if the price of things are coming down, they'll be like, yeah, this country's going to shit. And then people on the right, let's say prices don't move at all, but then they're seeing all these headlines that are like, everything's great, we're saving all this money, the budget's at a surplus.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  See, it worked.

• 1:28:59Speaker 03

  And I think that like, I don't even, like, I think media will just manipulate people's minds, but they'll just say like, whatever the thing they're feeding is. And I think it'll be dependent on whatever they're consuming.

• 1:29:07Mark Gagnon?

  I think it all depends on how the economy is and if people feel like they have money in their pockets.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  At the end.

• 1:29:11Mark Gagnon?

  I think it all comes down to.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  How do you make people feel that? Like, what does create a thriving economy?

• 1:29:17Mark Gagnon?

  Either, uh, low inflation or stimmy checks.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  I'm like, for example, how would you, like, how do you address inflation? My understanding is the way you address inflation is you restrict or is or constrict the the money supply, right? If there's less, there's less money out there. If there're more, if there's more money than there are things to buy, the price of things is just crazy.

• 1:29:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's called the, you're trying to slow the liquidity of money through monetary policy.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the only way to do that is to keep interest rates high. But if you keep interest rates high, it stifles economic growth.

• 1:29:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Because you need liquidity for growth. So it's a really fucked up thing.

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  It's almost like you need to just plunder another country. Take all their wealth.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  That worked back in the day.

• 1:30:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:06Speaker 04

  Who should we, who should we pretend has nukes?

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  I think we need to look into.

• 1:30:11Speaker 03

  Canada.

• 1:30:12Speaker 04

  Canada got, they got nukes.

• 1:30:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, Canada does have.

• 1:30:16Speaker 04

  Trudeau, this whole cuck thing was a front and he's actually building tons of nukes.

• 1:30:19Speaker 03

  Where do you think he got the nukes from? His dad. Cuba.

• 1:30:21Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  So he's got the nukes shipped in.

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:30:24Speaker 03

  So you gotta just keep an eye on it. 51st state.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  Is there any country rich enough where we could just plunder that bitch?

• 1:30:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, Canada. The nukes are at Drake's house. That's why it's called the embassy. We need to get in there. We need to really just take things apart and this, yeah, that's ours now.

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Mark Gagnon?

  Couple meme coins and rug pulls, like, we'll get rid of them.

• 1:30:43Speaker 04

  USA coin rug pulls in the fire. No, but I think, yeah, the stimmy check didn't work. That's what caused the inflation. So I think, I don't know, to me, I just remember, and this is, everybody's going to be personal. It's like, I remember Bill Clinton, I was eight years old. My dad went from having no job, we opened a business. I was like, oh, in this four years, seems like we're doing better. And I remember I'm 10, so I know nothing, but I'm like, yeah, this guy, Bill Clinton, seems to be doing a good job.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  And that was also during like the big, the first tech boom, right?

• 1:31:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Which is maybe the only reason it happened, I don't know. But that's, we just go off what we're feeling.

• 1:31:14Mark Gagnon?

  I also think corporate greed is like, probably, it's probably the biggest factor.

• 1:31:19Speaker 04

  It's a problem.

• 1:31:20Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, I think we just so concerned with how the stocks, like.

• 1:31:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:26Mark Gagnon?

  How things are going in.

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  Stock market.

• 1:31:28Mark Gagnon?

  Stock market. And so. We're squeezing, we're squeezing like the lower and middle class like as much as possible. And we have no power to say anything.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  So because.

• 1:31:40Mark Gagnon?

  Power to make change.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  If you squeeze, when you say squeeze the lower and middle class, you mean like by paying them less, we can show more profits. And then the stock price goes up.

• 1:31:51Speaker 04

  And my, my responsibility is to my shareholder. That's that fucking line you can hide behind for.

• 1:31:57Mark Gagnon?

  Some shit I just saw, DoorDash got sued for like 20 million because they were taking people's tips and using that money to pay the wages of.

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  No, that's crazy.

• 1:32:07Mark Gagnon?

  That's so fucked up.

• 1:32:09Speaker 04

  And so when they say a hundred percent of the money goes towards the delivery person, they're still not lying.

• 1:32:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Ain't that fucked up?

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  I mean, that's what restaurants do, right? Like restaurants, I think minimum wage is like $15 an hour in some states now. But restaurants would pay you $3 an hour.

• 1:32:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  Because they count your tips as part of your wage.

• 1:32:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but at least that you know that going into it. Like, oh, DoorDash was like, oh no, you didn't get any tips. And then just using that money to pay their delivery fee.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is fucked up because we know that the waiters aren't making any money outside of tips.

• 1:32:41Speaker 04

  In Australia, you gotta get it out.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Thank you, my boy. I got it?

• 1:32:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  So we, and so that, so we overcompensate.

• 1:32:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  But with DoorDash, you're just giving them whatever y'all give.

• 1:32:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:51Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh. And that's a thing, all these corporations are doing similar shit like that. Amazon workers, like they barely get paid.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Have you spoken to Uber drivers recently?

• 1:33:01Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  So like a lot of the Uber drivers, when they first started, Uber was taking like 15%, like 20%. Now that shit has come up to like 30, 40 in certain places.

• 1:33:10Speaker 04

  Dude, I'll see, I'll, sometimes I'll ask an Uber driver, what'd you get for this? And it will be less than half of what I paid, like considerably less. Like six bucks for a $25 Uber or whatever.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  So basically what they did is they lost money. You know, to gain market share.

• 1:33:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  And that is the strategy of these like tech businesses now. Or maybe businesses in general now. But so they don't have to show profit at all. And they'll lose money as long as the stock is cooking.

• 1:33:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  And but what happens is what you're saying is that all these people that are driving are eventually going to go, you know what? I gotta now work 80 hours a week to make what I used to make driving a taxi 40 hours.

• 1:33:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  Or 60 hours, whatever the fuck they would do.

• 1:33:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. And they got no voice. They got no lobbyist.

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, they have no lobby, no health insurance.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  And it's, I mean, I guess it's not a monopoly. They are, there is Lyft, but you know Lyft is also going to cook you as well.

• 1:34:03Speaker 04

  It's that's the airline shit too, where it's like, yeah, pretend you're competing or not. There is a certain level below which you know you're not going to go. And this is what it is. It's like a.

• 1:34:11Mark Gagnon?

  They're both in codes like. Yeah.

• 1:34:13Speaker 04

  Oligopoly, oligopoly or whatever it's called.

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  Which is technically illegal. Yeah. But it's going on.

• 1:34:18Speaker 04

  How are you going to prove it?

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. And then you can imagine some driver has been out of the workforce for four years, five years immigrant, doesn't have work experience or whatever. Like where else is he going to go?

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  Where else?

• 1:34:28Speaker 03

  So like, yeah, I'll just eat it.

• 1:34:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. And like, even partly with my business, I see that. Like I made it in a point to like overpay because I've always been in production. And I'm like, you know what, like, let me change things that bothered me back in the day. Yeah. And that does stifle growth. Like I, because I pay my employees really well, I can't open as many studios as I would like to. I have to wait till we, you know, build it up and now we can. So it's like, I see what would motivate a business owner to pay less. Cause I can grow my shit way faster. But at the same time, it's like, you just have to have zero empathy for people and that shit sucks.

• 1:35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. It's easy for me, I don't know.

• 1:35:08Speaker 03

  And then the people with no empathy like rise to the top.

• 1:35:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. True.

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like all these like corporate CEOs are just like cutthroat and they're like, yeah, I'm good.

• 1:35:14Mark Gagnon?

  I'm, I'm fine. I could sleep at night. I'm good on that.

• 1:35:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  And also you get better work. I think what people feel, you know, like they're properly compensated.

• 1:35:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  You know, they build their identity around the job. It's hard to build your identity around a job where you feel taken advantage of.

• 1:35:30Mark Gagnon?

  Uh huh.

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:35:31Speaker 03

  But if you create the job where they don't have to have an identity. It's like an assembly line and people just come in and you're like, all right, you don't like it?

• 1:35:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  See you later. If you make them easily replaceable.

• 1:35:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Uber, Amazon, all these places.

• 1:35:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:44Speaker 04

  Dude, I've had Amazon employees tell me like they'll get hurt on the job, but they're afraid to go get medical care or whatever because they're going to get in trouble. So they just keep working. They're afraid to get replaced by a robot or whatever. They just keep working.

• 1:35:55Mark Gagnon?

  And their bathroom breaks get timed.

• 1:35:57Speaker 04

  I mean, that's nuts.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  I mean, that's why I'm the reason why that exists. I'm taking thirty minutes. How are you getting hurt at the Amazon factory?

• 1:36:06Speaker 04

  The warehouse.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  Oh, the warehouse.

• 1:36:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Putting a thing in the box.

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, lifting boxes, probably doing all this shit.

• 1:36:12Mark Gagnon?

  Machinery going everywhere. It's fucking forklifts and you're gonna get hurt.

• 1:36:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:17Mark Gagnon?

  That shit sucks.

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  But corporations are fire though, you know what I mean?

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  They really do make some great shit.

• 1:36:22Speaker 03

  Fire, bro. You order something, it comes in next day.

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  They keep making.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  They make it so convenient.

• 1:36:30Speaker 04

  And this is where we're kind of fucked as or like we're trapped into it. You, are you ever calling not Lifter Uber? Like going out grabbing a taxi? So we're all like, this is what happens. They make a better product. So we're like, yeah, sure. And you get, you're removed enough from that person that you're like, well, I don't really, I can't care that they're getting fucked. It's just convenient for, it's convenient for me and that's what it is.

• 1:36:52Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not.

• 1:36:52Speaker 04

  And that's, yeah, that's why, and I remember it's actually Vivek's book I was reading where he was like, every corporation's fiduciary responsibilities to the shareholders. And I was like, that is a fucking thing, huh? That's what they all hide behind.

• 1:37:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:03Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't have to care about the employee. My responsibility is to my shareholder. That line in and of itself is just such a like catch all for having to give a fuck about anyone below me.

• 1:37:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  Dude, it's a good point you made there, Mark, about if you can create a business with replaceable employees, you really don't have to care about your employees at all.

• 1:37:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  And those businesses don't.

• 1:37:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:29Speaker 01

  And they're incredibly profitable.

• 1:37:30Speaker 03

  There's the Henry Ford thing. I think he did that with like the. Yeah. I'm just like.

• 1:37:35Speaker 01

  No, but his initially, the idea with the, with the, uh, maybe this is propaganda, but the idea was I want everybody that works here to be able to afford the car.

• 1:37:44Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that is true. Yeah.

• 1:37:45Speaker 01

  Now that could be. Henry Ford Association going, alright, let's not make him look like a fucking animal. Make him look like he cares about the workers, but that was the idea. That they could make a car cheap enough that the people that worked at the plant could drive one. And if that is the case, imagine you're working at a fucking plant.

• 1:38:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  And you're driving to work every single day. You must feel like the fucking man.

• 1:38:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:06Speaker 03

  You have pride.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  There's a lot of pride there. And also, like, when you look at, especially in, in, um, it's Detroit, right? Where the, uh, General Motors were, or at least Michigan.

• 1:38:14Speaker 04

  Michigan.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  Right? Like, yeah. You would have, like, generations of families work at those plants and be proud of it. Like, they were proud to be part of that community, and then when those plants left, it was devastating.

• 1:38:24Speaker 03

  But I guess that was a time where, like, the cost of goods and wage was more similar. And then now it's like, changed.

• 1:38:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, there's also when corporate greed was at, no, I don't want to say it was at a low, but it was lower. There was, uh...

• 1:38:34Speaker 01

  It's like they didn't know how greedy they could get.

• 1:38:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Speaker 01

  So, okay, so, and again...

• 1:38:39Mark Gagnon?

  The difference between, like, CEO pay and the workers' pay wasn't as...

• 1:38:42Speaker 04

  The gap wasn't as large.

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  And what's the justification for that now? But, like, the, is the...

• 1:38:47Speaker 04

  I know, I don't know the justification. I know when it really started to go crazy was we fought to have CEO salaries made public because we were like, we want to see how overpaid these people are. But then, it's like NBA contracts. You see what they're making and you're like, oh, you need to pay me more than that.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 1:39:00Speaker 04

  Oh, you need to pay me more than that. You need to pay me more than, and then it just goes bang, bang, bang. Because NBA, NFL, a lot of times it's not about how much I make. It's about I need to make more than that guy.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  And it's how much he makes.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:09Speaker 04

  So, once you start making these contracts public, and I'm, I'm a, oh yeah, I don't know how you get that genie back in the bottle or whatever, but like, that inflated a lot.

• 1:39:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. You don't get it back in the bottle because capitalism, people's like, you can't tell me how much I deserve to be paid for this. And then everybody thinks, oh, one day, that's gonna be me, and I don't want somebody telling me how much I can get paid.

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  Alright, questions?

• 1:39:29Mark Gagnon?

  It was less pushback.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  Is, is the...

• 1:39:32Mark Gagnon?

  Shoot these motherfuckers.

• 1:39:36Speaker 04

  Certain industries, Luigi got that right idea, yo.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  But is, like, the skill of certain CEOs, like, for example, like, uh, what's, uh, Steve Jobs, right?

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  Like, whatever he got paid, he deserved it. Like, he transformed an industry. Transformed the world in a lot of ways.

• 1:39:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  Right? So you can't really put a dollar amount on the, on, on him, like, what he's worth to the company. Like, are certain, are these certain CEOs, like, are they worth this exorbitant amount of money? This exorbitant amount of money because that's what they bring to the brand?

• 1:40:08Speaker 04

  Certain, yeah.

• 1:40:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  I'm sure that's what they would argue.

• 1:40:10Speaker 04

  And again, it's like the NBA. LeBron is worth 100 million a year or whatever.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  But I guess what I'm trying to... LeBron is so easy to see because he's 6'9". He got the handle like a point guard. He's got vision. He could shoot. He's obviously a proven winner. I think with the CEOs, a lot of times we look at them outside of like a Jobs or a Musk and we're just like, oh, it's just like a white guy who wears a suit and he just tells people what to do. Like, do they have these distinguishable skills? Maybe if we knew more about what they're actually doing for a company, maybe it would seem more justifiable to us. Does that make sense? Like, maybe they are LeBron-esque in how unique their skillset is.

• 1:40:45Mark Gagnon?

  But even though, like, what Elon does for Tesla, Elon could be like, hey, we can make less profits this year and pay all of our employees more. And every company can do that.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:40:59Speaker 04

  The stake was the share price goes down.

• 1:41:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  My responsibility to the shareholders.

• 1:41:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:05Speaker 04

  Blah, blah, blah.

• 1:41:05Speaker 01

  So the share price goes down because it's not...

• 1:41:09Speaker 04

  That's why food, and this is why, again, I don't think food should be publicly traded. That's why food, they're like, oh, I can put all these chemicals in it for less cost than the real ingredients of Cheetos. It'll drive the cost down. The share price goes up for Frito-Lay. That's my responsibilities.

• 1:41:24Speaker 06

  Corporate buyouts happen. A big company comes in, buys a small, like, mom tops thing that's very popular. They figure out how they can cut costs. They fire certain people. They put different chemicals or make the product worse in a certain way, but small enough that it's not that noticeable. The product is then cheaper to produce and the company can go, look what we did. We, year over year, we're 50% better, 20% better. Quarter over quarter, we're increasing profits.

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. So it's just one of the downsides, like unfettered capitalism. Like, you just need some type of legislation, like, protect it so that it can still grow, but then to not, you know, like, yeah, you don't want to over legislate it, but also you need to keep some guardrails to stop, you know, monopolies.

• 1:42:07Speaker 04

  And this is where it's a push and pull. Like, unions, some would say that the car unions got so powerful, that's why American cars started to get worse. Japanese cars were taking over and then Ford ends up shutting down, et cetera, et cetera. Now, I'm not saying that's what the answer, but it is, it just, I think, has to be a constant push and pull.

• 1:42:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, Rockefeller beat the whole game.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  How did he do that?

• 1:42:26Speaker 03

  He would just like created Standard Oil, got so big. And then we're just going to towns with other oil companies and be like, so you can either sell to us for 50% of what you're worth, or we'll just take over your area when we open up a Standard Oil right here. Because we have so much funding and we have such a great assembly line that we'll just take you over. So what do you want to do? And then he just like steamrolled everyone. And then literally broke capitalism. And then we're like, alright, we gotta put like-

• 1:42:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, then we broke up Standard Oil in 1910 or whatever.

• 1:42:50Speaker 03

  And then we're like, alright, we can't just let this rule the world.

• 1:42:53Speaker 01

  How did he deal with that emotionally? I know you were reading that biography.

• 1:42:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, Titan.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  And did he have any kind of like turmoil about doing that to people? Did he feel justified in something?

• 1:43:04Speaker 03

  I mean, yes and no. He was just like, these are the rules of the game. And he was like a super strict business guy. Like, he counted every penny in his personal bank account. Like, in his journals, he would have like a ledger of like every single dollar that was going in and out. So like, on the one hand, he was ruthless. But on the other hand, he was like, super philanthropic. Opened all these like HBCUs, like Spelman College, like a famous HBCU. It was named after his wife, Stety Spelman.

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 1:43:24Speaker 03

  And so he like opened up all these like Black인버스기. He's like, yeah, we gotta like give black people-

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  Was it white, black?

• 1:43:28Speaker 03

  No, she was white lady.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 1:43:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he was like, we gotta support like black people in America and like give people opportunity. So like, I think he kind of justified it through like philanthropic stuff.

• 1:43:36Mark Gagnon?

  The cynic in me is like, yo, let's just keep shit segregated. I'll just open for school for a moment.

• 1:43:42Speaker 03

  Wait, we got all these workers that don't know how to fucking mine oil. Fucking do an oil mining class.

• 1:43:47Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if that's what, if that's what charity is to some of these incredibly wealthy people. If it's just a way to like get to heaven. Like, it's a way to offset the greed.

• 1:44:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do think he was also religious. And so I think he was like, dude, God gave me this. Like, this is ordained by God.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  You justify your fuck shit by this is what God wanted me to do. And then you do some good on the side as a token of your gratitude?

• 1:44:24Speaker 03

  In a way, I guess, yeah.

• 1:44:25Speaker 01

  Because sometimes I do feel like people, and we should do more philanthropy. We should figure out how we can, how we can give back.

• 1:44:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I should.

• 1:44:33Speaker 01

  But we got you here, you know?

• 1:44:36Speaker 01

  No, but we should figure out how we can give back, but give back in a way where it doesn't feel like sometimes I see people doing it and it feels so like self aggrandizing. You know, like I like, I don't know if the money is actually trickling to the charity.

• 1:44:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  It feels almost more of like a pat on the back. Like a public display of I'm a good person and this is why you guys should believe I'm a good person. But then people aren't actually getting helped.

• 1:45:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but not everything. Oh, sorry.

• 1:45:02Speaker 06

  This is just happening right now. There's a lot of CEOs that are basically like doing the Rockefeller thing where they create a nonprofit foundation. That nonprofit foundation is actually not funding. It's sort of like a money laundering place.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  And then they put their kids as the presidents and CEOs of that foundation and they get a salary and that salary is half a million dollars a year. So now you're finding a way to funnel money to your kids through this nonprofit.

• 1:45:27Speaker 06

  And some of them do great. Some of them really do great and some people have done great. Rockefeller did great at the end, like Bill Gates has stopped hookworm, guinea worm, something. Like there's a lot of them that have done great, but there are some that are using it sort of.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  I'm sure there are plenty that do good things, but I wonder if it.

• 1:45:43Mark Gagnon?

  And not everything is money. Like I have classes come to WTF and like I just talk to the kids and shit like that. And you never know, that might just open their mind, help them see something like throw a fucking benefit show where it's just like underprivileged people able to come to show for free.

• 1:45:59Speaker 04

  Find a way to not give money.

• 1:46:01Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not, I'm just saying not everything's about money.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  No, you're right. You're right. There's a lot of times influence is going to be way more impactful. And I also wonder if trying to solve the biggest problem isn't the most effective way of doing your charity.

• 1:46:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, the small things mean way more.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  That's the thing where I think Portnoy does brilliantly, like going to a specific place and giving them money to stay open. Like. We are saving this restaurant. We're not going, hey, we're gonna save the restaurant industry. That's a nice thing on paper. That looks really good. You get to pat yourself on the back and maybe some people in the world are like, look at how benevolent that human being is. But going to one mom and pop shop, speaking to the mom and pop and saving their business. Maybe it saved it for a year. Maybe it saved for two years. Maybe it saved for 20. Who fucking knows? But I wonder if that's the most direct impact you can have.

• 1:46:54Speaker 03

  That starfish story, you ever heard of that?

• 1:46:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:46:55Speaker 03

  My dad told me this when I was a kid. It was like all these starfish roll up on the sea after like, or on the shore after a like a big storm. Some kid's throwing them back in the ocean. And some guy comes up, he's like, dude, there's thousands of starfish. Like, what are you doing? Doesn't make a difference. And he takes a starfish, throws it in the water, goes, made a difference to that one. It's kind of a cute little story. But like, it kind of goes to that point. Like, yeah, just finding specific people that need help and then helping them in that way.

• 1:47:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:17Speaker 03

  It's also more fulfilling on a personal basis. Yeah. Do feel good after.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 1:47:22Speaker 03

  I gotta feed all the African kids, you know what I mean? Let's just feed some Africans here.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Take an Uber drive. Be like, yo, just go through the fucking drive-through, whatever you want, dude. Yeah, fucking ring it up.

• 1:47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:34Speaker 03

  Feed some Elon's African kids. Yeah, exactly, dude.

• 1:47:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's something.

• 1:47:38Speaker 03

  Are we getting commie-pilled right now?

• 1:47:40Speaker 01

  We're getting commie-

• 1:47:40Speaker 03

  Dude, we gotta stop this.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Wait, are we commies?

• 1:47:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm not gonna stand for this commie talk, alright?

• 1:47:45Speaker 07

  Hey, Mark, you're learning hypnosis? What's going on with you?

• 1:47:47Speaker 03

  I'm reading one book on hypnosis, okay? It's not weird, first off. I just wanna learn the secrets, the secret teachings of hypnosis.

• 1:47:53Speaker 01

  Why would you wanna learn that?

• 1:47:54Speaker 07

  Let's talk about this on Patreon.

• 1:47:56Speaker 03

  Okay, one slight reason, okay, is I'm genuinely curious if hypnosis is real.

• 1:48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:01Speaker 03

  So like, do you believe in hypnosis?

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. Do you think that people can be put into a subconscious state where their mind is now controlled by another person?

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  Some people.

• 1:48:08Speaker 03

  Blacks. Okay, wait, why is it blacks? Why is it not black? Because our mind is better.

• 1:48:13Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:48:14Speaker 07

  Smarter people are apparently easier to hypnotize, just as they tell dumb people who they hypnotize.

• 1:48:21Speaker 03

  I'm gonna hypnotize Al. I'm gonna come back one of these days. I'm gonna hypnotize him. Maybe on Patreon.

• 1:48:26Mark Gagnon?

  Mark, I would like you to hypnotize our audience right now.

• 1:48:33Mark Gagnon?

  And tell them to come join us at Patreon.

• 1:48:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

• 1:48:37Mark Gagnon?

  Use everything you've learned.

• 1:48:38Speaker 03

  Well, you kinda need like-

• 1:48:39Speaker 07

  Don't tell us, show us.

• 1:48:40Speaker 03

  You need a tal- you need like a- you need something to like wave in front of their- like something long you can wave in front of their faces to-

• 1:48:45Speaker 07

  Can I unplug this?

• 1:48:46Speaker 03

  Al, would you mind pulling your dick out?

• 1:48:49Speaker 03

  No, no, you guys should join us on Patreon, okay? It's only like $2 a month or something.

• 1:48:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:53Speaker 03

  That's what it is.

• 1:48:54Speaker 07

  Is that hypnosis- hypnosis is lying to people?

• 1:48:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's lying.

• 1:48:57Mark Gagnon?

  Because they use car salesmen?

• 1:48:58Speaker 03

  Exactly, yeah, basically, yeah. Yeah, but you can see us on Patreon where I'm gonna hypnotize Al. I'll see you guys there. Fuck outta here.

• 1:49:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, Al's hypnotized that he's 5'11".

• 1:49:09Speaker 07

  Are you- did we show that yet?

• 1:49:10Speaker 03

  No, we're about to do it right now.

• 1:49:11Speaker 07

  Show that, show that.

• 1:49:13Speaker 08

  I've been a fan and a Patreon member for a long, long time and now I just wanna know, let's get the tape measures out. Let's get this height debacle situated. Let's see what the actual heights are for the whole crew.

• 1:49:23Mark Gagnon?

  Let's do it.

• 1:49:23Speaker 07

  I'm down for that. My height on Google is like 5'4".

• 1:49:27Speaker 08

  Love y'all, peace.

• 1:49:28Mark Gagnon?

  Let's fucking do it.

• 1:49:30Speaker 07

  I'll do that right now. We got a tape measure?

• 1:49:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Speaker 07

  Let's close out the episode with- Take your fucking shoes off.

• 1:49:36Mark Gagnon?

  We don't got a tape measure.

• 1:49:37Speaker 07

  Take your fucking shoes off.

• 1:49:38Speaker 03

  Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. We're not doing that. We're not doing that today.

• 1:49:42Mark Gagnon?

  Guys, this has been a good episode. I feel like we're saying Patreon.

• 1:49:45Speaker 03

  Patreon.com/faker.

• 1:49:46Speaker 07

  You're fucking phony?

• 1:49:48Mark Gagnon?

  You know, for the vibes and all that shit.

• 1:49:49Speaker 07

  You're a phony. I hate this guy.

• 1:49:51Speaker 03

  I mean, how bad can it be?

• 1:49:53Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, we good.

• 1:49:55Speaker 07

  Al 5'4", yo.

• 1:49:56Mark Gagnon?

  No, cuz-

• 1:49:57Speaker 07

  Honestly, it's good for you cuz I call you 5'4" so much that they're starting to believe it.

• 1:50:01Mark Gagnon?

  I don't care, but it has to be some mystery in it that I could keep lying.

• 1:50:06Speaker 07

  Alright, I'll go. Let's go.

• 1:50:07Mark Gagnon?

  We're not doing it.

• 1:50:08Speaker 07

  How long is it? Is that more than 5 feet? I took my shoes off. Here we go. I'm gonna stand up straight, no tiptoes. Here you go. Top of the head, let's go. Oh, it's tall enough for you, Al. There you go. Do what you gotta do, buddy. What's up, camera? Are we on the wide shot, mouse?

• 1:50:23Speaker 03

  Is this an honest measurement here?

• 1:50:25Speaker 07

  I think so. Is my chin solid?

• 1:50:27Speaker 08

  Yeah, you're live, you're live.

• 1:50:28Speaker 07

  Okay, good.

• 1:50:30Mark Gagnon?

  I think-

• 1:50:33Mark Gagnon?

  I think it'd say like sixty seven?

• 1:50:36Speaker 07

  Five seven, like I said, yo, like I said.

• 1:50:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:40Speaker 07

  Five seven. Okay, alright.

• 1:50:42Mark Gagnon?

  Alright, I got some.

• 1:50:43Speaker 07

  Okay, okay, hold on. What do you need from me? I'm, we're gonna do this honest, I don't give a fuck with you, Al. Let's do this right here, what do we have?

• 1:50:49Speaker 06

  Shoes off, but he's got long pants, look if he's standing on a.

• 1:50:52Speaker 07

  Yo, this is so funny. Tell me what that is. Tell me what that is, right there.

• 1:50:55Mark Gagnon?

  What is it? Sixty five?

• 1:50:56Speaker 07

  No, no, no. It's sixty eight.

• 1:51:00Mark Gagnon?

  What's that?

• 1:51:00Speaker 07

  You're five eight, yo.

• 1:51:01Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:51:02Speaker 07

  Sixty eight and a half, maybe. You're not five nine. He's not five nine, is he?

• 1:51:06Mark Gagnon?

  It might have been five nine.

• 1:51:06Speaker 07

  Did you have that on cam?

• 1:51:07Mark Gagnon?

  It might, it might. No, he wasn't. It might, it might be five nine.

• 1:51:10Speaker 07

  Don't come back, come back. Take your fucking stupid beat me off.

• 1:51:13Mark Gagnon?

  I hate you.

• 1:51:14Speaker 07

  Okay, alright, hold on. Go, let's go, let's go straight. Straighten that shit up.

• 1:51:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think sixty.

• 1:51:19Speaker 07

  You're big, you might, you're five eight and a half, Doug.

• 1:51:21Mark Gagnon?

  No, stop it. Five nine, five nine, we'll take it. Five nine, we'll take it. We'll take it, we'll take it, we'll take it, we'll take it, we'll take it. Yeah. And it's, it's wintertime, you shrink a little bit, you know, it's right.

• 1:51:31Speaker 03

  That's a good point. That's a good point.

• 1:51:33Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:51:34Speaker 03

  You can, you do contract.

• 1:51:35Mark Gagnon?

  I don't have good posture at all.

• 1:51:36Speaker 03

  You do contract a little bit.

• 1:51:37Speaker 07

  Ah, damn it.

• 1:51:38Speaker 06

  It's wintertime, you shrink a little bit.

• 1:51:41Speaker 07

  Yo, I'm, I'm being deadass all this time. He's giving you five nine, you're barely five nine.

• 1:51:46Mark Gagnon?

  No, five nine.

• 1:51:47Speaker 07

  You're barely five nine. You're a hater. I'm, I'm a real six seven.

• 1:51:51Mark Gagnon?

  This makes me, this makes me feel bad.

• 1:51:55Speaker 07

  I'm fat, you're short.

• 1:51:56Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't know my actual height for years. I've been lying to myself, saying I'm five ten and a half.

• 1:52:03Speaker 07

  You know what? I, I stopped lying about my height because there was a girl that I was talking to in college and I was like, I'm five nine. She was like, no the fuck you're not. And I'm like, my license says I'm five nine. And she was like, you're not five nine. And then I measured myself, thank God, not in front of her, but I was five seven. I was like, this bitch got me, yo.

• 1:52:18Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:52:18Speaker 06

  Can I ask one more thing?

• 1:52:20Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:52:20Speaker 06

  Yo, David, I know you're listening to this shit. Get in here so I can measure you.

• 1:52:23Speaker 07

  Wait, is he? Oh, he said he's six feet. David Sanchez, come in here.

• 1:52:27Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, where's Doug?

• 1:52:29Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:52:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, no.

• 1:52:30Speaker 07

  Doug, my ass.

• 1:52:31Mark Gagnon?

  And we, Aaron motherfuckers out here.

• 1:52:33Speaker 07

  This is so fun.

• 1:52:35Mark Gagnon?

  Get Doug, get Doug.

• 1:52:36Speaker 07

  Get in here, get in here.

• 1:52:37Mark Gagnon?

  Doug, we need you right now.

• 1:52:39Speaker 06

  I said I'm five ten.

• 1:52:40Speaker 07

  I'm the only one honest about his height.

• 1:52:42Mark Gagnon?

  If I expose everybody, fuck this shit.

• 1:52:45Speaker 07

  Hey, get real shit, yo, real shit. Yo, real shit, from one fat guy to another, man.

• 1:52:49Speaker 03

  Okay, you, you can hold it, I'll hold it at the bottom.

• 1:52:51Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:52:52Speaker 03

  Alright, here we go, ready?

• 1:52:53Speaker 06

  And then if you're gonna talk, talk.

• 1:52:54Speaker 07

  Okay, alright, yeah, yeah. Alright, David, let's go.

• 1:52:56Speaker 06

  It's gonna be five ten on the nose.

• 1:52:58Speaker 07

  Alright, let's straighten it out. You know what? What is that?

• 1:53:04Speaker 07

  Son, 692, you're 5'9" too, dog.

• 1:53:17Speaker 07

  Hey, Dove, where's Dove? Bro, he's looking at the tape.

• 1:53:20Mark Gagnon?

  Get in here, get in here, boy.

• 1:53:21Speaker 07

  Yo, I feel so vindicated. That was 5'9", right, Miles? I'm not bullshitting.

• 1:53:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yup, stand right here.

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  I don't believe you.

• 1:53:28Mark Gagnon?

  Shoes off. I'm busy. Shoes off, no, no, no, no, no, shoes off, shoes off.

• 1:53:33Speaker 07

  Dove, you gotta measure your height. Everybody lies except me.

• 1:53:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yup, shoes off.

• 1:53:37Speaker 07

  I'm fat and 5'7". I am what I am. I'm a real one.

• 1:53:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, everybody's getting exposed today.

• 1:53:45Speaker 07

  This episode is taking the best.

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  He just said I'm wearing thin socks.

• 1:53:52Speaker 07

  Okay, let's go. Oh, yeah, oh, you're Dove, I'm your mic. Whoa, whoa, whoa, your hand almost grazed my dick there just now.

• 1:53:58Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:54:00Speaker 07

  Yo, your chin right here, buddy, I'mma lower your chin. I'mma lower your chin right there, there you go, that's straight.

• 1:54:05Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:54:07Speaker 07

  That's straight, right there. I'mma hold your head. Ow, you're still bending it.

• 1:54:11Mark Gagnon?

  Is it straight enough?

• 1:54:12Speaker 07

  Now it is.

• 1:54:14Mark Gagnon?

  What are you saying?

• 1:54:15Speaker 02

  I'm saying 70.

• 1:54:16Mark Gagnon?

  70.

• 1:54:17Speaker 07

  5'10".

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  5'10".

• 1:54:18Mark Gagnon?

  5'10".

• 1:54:21Speaker 07

  Hey, hey, guys.

• 1:54:23Mark Gagnon?

  5'10".

• 1:54:23Speaker 07

  Hey, Patreon.

• 1:54:24Mark Gagnon?

  That's actually taller than I thought.

• 1:54:25Speaker 07

  Everybody's a liar except your boy.

• 1:54:27Speaker 02

  Unless I shrunk, there's no way.

• 1:54:29Mark Gagnon?

  5'10", bro.

• 1:54:30Speaker 07

  How many times in this pod I said I'm 5'7"? All the time, right? It's a punchline. Who was the only one that was honest? This guy been saying he's 6 feet.

• 1:54:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:37Speaker 07

  David, David won't admit he's Mexican. Alex been saying he's 5'11". He said 5'11".

• 1:54:42Mark Gagnon?

  I said 5'10 and a half.

• 1:54:44Speaker 07

  What a liar.

• 1:54:45Mark Gagnon?

  5'11" on a good day.

• 1:54:46Speaker 07

  He's 5'9", he's 5'8 and 3/4. Mark, I believe you're 6 feet.

• 1:54:50Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I'm 5'9".

• 1:54:50Speaker 07

  Miles, I believe you're 6 feet.

• 1:54:51Mark Gagnon?

  5'11".

• 1:54:52Speaker 07

  Oh, you're 5'11". Miles is honest. That's an easy roundup. Cass is so crazy, I actually think Miles is 6 foot. Miles, get your ass in here.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  No, no, I think Miles is under 200 pounds. Get the scale.

• 1:55:09Speaker 07

  I think you're six foot.

• 1:55:12Speaker 04

  I didn't pick up on it. Cause that is something he would do, right? That's something he would do is say I'm 5'11" when I'm 6 feet.

• 1:55:18Speaker 07

  There's Baldoni vibes. He's like, "I don't want, I don't want to overestimate."

• 1:55:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:22Speaker 07

  It's a humility.

• 1:55:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're what Baldoni pretends to be.

• 1:55:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm so happy about this. Guys, I cannot think of a better way to...

• 1:55:32Speaker 04

  Hey, I didn't even say suck my dick.

• 1:55:33Speaker 07

  I know, this worked.

• 1:55:35Speaker 04

  This worked.

• 1:55:37Speaker 07

  I've been, well, I believed the lie that I've been telling myself for years.

• 1:55:40Speaker 04

  We're putting this out in the public episode.

• 1:55:42Speaker 07

  For years, I believed this lie.

• 1:55:44Speaker 04

  I'm so happy. Guys, this is what we're leading the fucking, the public episode off with. Patreon, thank you guys so much for being here as we tell the truth and we expose people. We're the Candace Owens of the Patreon world. We expose liars on this podcast. Thank you guys so much. We'll see y'all next Friday. We love you. God bless.