Why Women Want Effort, “Girl Bosses” Ruined Dating, Samay Raina & Ranveer Allahbadia Controversy

YERRR we're breaking down why your girl and you aren't understanding one another in this week's ep and we got some insider info! We get Akaash's thoughts on India's recent comedy controversy, and discuss the trash NBA All-Star weekend and how to fix it. All that and much much more on today's episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE 00:00 Women are upset with their men??? 15:35 Effort, "Married" life + Freezing eggs 22:27 Girl bossing ruined women's lives 26:33 Ex-wives' rights + Alimony too? 32:46 Make some effort, Cost per nut + Oxytocin 49:43 Running game, actual ick + Big City Dating 55:12 Catfishing, Apps ain't it + expectations v effort 1:05:03 Dating older + Chivalry 1:12:29 What are our expectations? 1:23:30 Comedy controversy in India 1:34:03 Trump, Where's the line? Fall out in India 1:49:41 Stakes bring excitement 1:52:11 Fixing NBA All-Star weekend 2:01:19 Medieval Fighting Follow us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/join/Flagrant Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  What's up everybody, welcome to Flagrant. I hope everybody had a wonderful Valentine's Day. I posted something on Instagram recently and women had quite the reactions to it. I posted this on Instagram, not thinking it would get much. 12 million views later, it turns out, women aren't that happy with us. And by us, I don't just mean Alex, Mark, Akash and Andrew. I mean just men in general. It seems like there's some frustration. Let's play the clip so that everybody has some context. Yeah. Everything about effort, like why is the effort doesn't matter when I go to work? What is this, I want you to write a card. What are you talking about? Write a card. Explain to me the effort shit, right?

• 0:36Speaker 01

  If your girl orders food for you or cooks food for you, which one means more?

• 0:41Speaker 00

  I like it when she cooks, but if she was like, I'd rather just order it, I'm totally cool with that. I just like the fact that she put, uh, she like- Ooh!

• 0:53Speaker 00

  Akash said a thong, son.

• 0:57Speaker 00

  I like the fact that she put- The reaction from women about this clip was absolutely insane. You know, we could have had a woman on the podcast, but that would go against our principles.

• 1:09Speaker 00

  I think it's just up to the boys to figure out what is going on. Are these, are these women frustrated with us?

• 1:14Speaker 01

  It would appear so, dude. It would appear so.

• 1:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18Mark Gagnon?

  Those are just the lonely ones celebrating Galentine's Day.

• 1:20Speaker 00

  What is Galentine's Day?

• 1:22Mark Gagnon?

  The ones that they just hang out with their girls because they don't have a actual balance.

• 1:25Speaker 00

  So you're saying that there was an emotional state that they were in and they really wish a guy would go put out some effort?

• 1:29Speaker 01

  I think there's also a lot of women who got shitty Valentines.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  Really driving this. Claire one comment was like, "He's 41 years old, mind you." And I wanted to be like, "This is a long time ago."

• 1:41Speaker 00

  We were late 30s at that point. I still got a card I haven't written for my wife.

• 1:47Speaker 00

  And not only was it Valentines, it was her 30th birthday. I killed it. I gave her a great fucking weekend. It was awesome. And that has nothing-

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Put a lot of effort into it.

• 1:55Speaker 00

  That has nothing to do with the fact that I have an assistant now that I can outsource the effort to.

• 2:01Speaker 00

  That's what I would definitely suggest-

• 2:02Mark Gagnon?

  She didn't think it was weird that your handwriting was so nice all of a sudden?

• 2:04Speaker 00

  She kept being like, "Who are these flowers from? Testing me?" I was like, "Me?" I just say me, no matter what is in the house. I did that. I got that.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  Who shit on the floor? Me?

• 2:12Speaker 00

  That was me. Definitely wasn't Kiana. We hope. Okay? That's actually my suggestion, first of all. Get an assistant. Cause all the thoughtful ideas that come to your head, but you're like, but then I gotta do it. You can outsource to them.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Dude, I saw you walking out of the studio one day. Your sister was like, hey, here's a birthday gift for your friend. And you were like, really? What is this? And she was like, they're the paddle shoes you mentioned. And I was like, oh, that's why you get.

• 2:34Speaker 00

  Dude, stop snitching, man. Jason, Jason, Jason, that came from me.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  I sent you a friend. Who knows?

• 2:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I had one guy who played paddle with us on the podcast.

• 2:43Mark Gagnon?

  You don't care about effort.

• 2:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, it touched his soul, bro. When I showed him them shoes, he was like shaking as he opened it. Cause I thought he was thinking it was gonna be like vibrators and dildos inside or something like that. But it was a real pair of paddle shoes. Anyway, I think it's worth to have this discussion. It seems as if, you know, women feel like we're not putting in the effort that we should be putting in.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. I even saw a random TikTok recently after this conversation. We were talking about it and some girl was like, I can't even go on a date with a guy if he's not gonna put in a reservation at a restaurant.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  She said, that's a red flag. If you're not gonna make a reservation, we're not going on a date.

• 3:19Speaker 00

  So, so, so this is interesting. You brought this up yesterday when we were discussing it. There are these things that have become very popular for women to talk about. Red flags. You said the ick.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  And all these things I think are really downstream from women wanting guys to put in effort. Right? Now here's where it gets interesting and we do need to bring in the girls for this, so maybe grab them. But um, this is, this is, okay, this is a kind of true thing. Women's greatest fear, I believe, is being alone. Men's greatest fear is being with a woman we don't wanna be with.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:52Speaker 00

  Okay?

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Well, you can couch the women one. I think they're also afraid of like getting murdered and stuff.

• 3:58Speaker 00

  No, no, I'm talking about like a relationship, emotional kind of fear, that kind of stuff.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're speaking.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  We're talking relationships.

• 4:05Speaker 00

  Great exaggeration.

• 4:06Mark Gagnon?

  And I still think alone trumps.

• 4:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, they would rather be alone, cause when they're alone, they dead end.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Hey, remember that hypothetical that women were like, would you rather be alone with a bear or a man? That everybody chose bear? I bet if you said bear or alone, they'd be like, give me the bear again.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  Okay, guys, so now we have, there's a microphone right there with, that I need you all to- Return to the Red Pill Podcast. The second- We're kicking you out of the studio in 30 seconds. Imagine the second they start talking, Volva just walks a single file out of the- I mean, we had that on camera.

• 4:39Mark Gagnon?

  We got that on camera.

• 4:40Speaker 00

  What is Tanya trying to- Somehow it turned into a hose, and she was like, "Whoa, I can't even." This is, we try, we try, okay. So yesterday, at some point, I think that Mark was being very diplomatic, but there is no room for diplomacy in this conversation. At, at some point during our conversation yesterday, during our production call, you guys voiced this feeling that like, a, a, a woman's greatest fear is being alone. You fear, you fear being alone more than being with a guy you don't like.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Some women, yes.

• 5:05Speaker 00

  Okay, this is another thing, Tanya is a fucking guy-

• 5:08Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  And all of her opinions are gonna reflect exactly how we feel. Which I think why when we first met, we were like, "This chick's fucking awesome."

• 5:17Speaker 04

  But I think it also depends on age.

• 5:18Speaker 00

  Point the mic towards you. We need Dove in here or something. Dove, get Dove in here so we can sit next to them and manage the women.

• 5:26Mark Gagnon?

  We need the four women in here.

• 5:30Speaker 04

  I think it depends on, first of all, age and where you live. I think that's like a big thing.

• 5:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Like if you're, like when I was like a 25-year-old, living in Montreal and everyone was coupled up-

• 5:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Then it feels like, oh, it sucks to be alone, because you no longer have fun things to do with your friends when everyone's coupled up and getting married and buying-

• 5:48Speaker 00

  And you're just lonely and dying and-

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, and also everyone's like pressured, it's like societally, like that is an age in Montreal where like, you have to be settling down.

• 5:55Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  If you're 25 in New York-

• 5:57Speaker 00

  Would you rather be with a guy you don't like, or not, I don't wanna ask this question to you.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't ask me that question, you don't mind.

• 6:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you don't even-

• 6:03Speaker 04

  Ask a real good-

• 6:03Speaker 00

  Tanya doesn't even wanna be with guys that she likes.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  We were having a discussion yesterday, and Tanya was like, "I'll be honest, these guys are so fucking annoying, they just wanna spend time with me all." Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and Alex was talking about, which I think is, might be a common theme here that I didn't even realize. Female Alex, right? This is not male Alex, we have a female, one ex Alex, here, and, and she brought this feeling about like, girls would rather be with somebody than be by themselves.

• 6:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I think it's also pretty subconscious.

• 6:30Speaker 00

  Just toward your.

• 6:31Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, sorry.

• 6:32Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  The lady mic that needs to be shared.

• 6:34Speaker 00

  Dub's gonna get in here.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's like subconscious that you don't realize that you hate him. You're just like, oh, yeah, guys don't know how to plan dinner reservations.

• 6:43Speaker 00

  So, so, so.

• 6:43Speaker 05

  But you, you resent him so much and you don't even know why.

• 6:48Speaker 00

  Okay, so this is, we're gonna get to a good thing. This is gonna, and it's gonna hurt a lot of our feelings because we're gonna start to realize that our significant other's.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  That's what I'm here for.

• 6:54Speaker 00

  But this is, this is an important thing. This is an important thing. Because I feel this all the time, like, does my wife hate me? Like, and it's like, yeah. No, but here's the thing, but it's not my fault. They don't want to be alone so bad that they will be with guys that they don't like. Yeah. They don't even like us. They just hate being alone. And now they resent us because they don't want to be alone. It's their fault. It's their fault. Yes! This is the eureka moment yesterday.

• 7:21Speaker 05

  No, I feel.

• 7:21Speaker 00

  I was miserable because of you! We've been telling you this this whole time! We're like, we're good people. We're trying to make you happy. We let you read. Why Andrew was so excited about talking about it? It's like, I finally get it! I get it now! This guy's really excited. What's going on? I saw the light yesterday. I was like. He could finally blame that. No, no, exactly, right? Because this whole time that I was thinking, my wife hates me. And she's like, I love you more than anything. No, no, she hates being alone. Yes, toxic femininity. Yes, now we're talking about it. Finally, we have living here to be the faces.

• 7:55Speaker 05

  We just resent how stupid you are.

• 7:56Speaker 00

  Here we go.

• 7:58Speaker 05

  Stupid and lazy.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Okay, so, so, so, but here's the question.

• 8:01Speaker 05

  And the messaging, I feel like, from, like, society and the, the moms out there, especially Jewish moms. I think religion is a huge part of this.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  Are you Jewish also?

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 8:10Speaker 00

  Yuck.

• 8:14Speaker 05

  By the way, we didn't know how we had her.

• 8:21Mark Gagnon?

  Are you serious? She didn't think that is. Saying it to somebody's face is crazy.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  I'm gonna point out, this is so funny. We need to get Doug in here, real quick. So, Tanya, Alex and Kiana, okay? Yeah. Kiana is my assistant and she was here like, two days, right? And we were staying super late, we're working on something. And she started bringing up this idea of like, she's like, "Yeah, but you're spending all this money on Ubers and there's a certain situation where you could potentially get a car, and you could, you know, have a driver for the car and that driver would be available to you whenever you want, but actually less than all these Ubers, you should run that numbers." And we're talking and then Doug, and Doug just like stops and he gazes at her, right? And Kiana is Chinese and Belizean, right? And he gazes at her and he goes, "Are you Jewish?"

• 9:14Mark Gagnon?

  He almost got his black Jew.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  It was the greatest compliment he could bestow on anyone. Anyway, so Jewish moms really want you to get married.

• 9:23Speaker 05

  They, they really want you to get married.

• 9:24Speaker 00

  Cause they want you to be miserable like them.

• 9:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 9:27Speaker 00

  And they wanna pass it down.

• 9:28Speaker 05

  Like, women didn't just invent this of like, "Oh, I, I don't need to be alone." It's the messaging of like, "Oh, well, all men are terrible." "No man knows how to make a dinner reservation or write you a note or send you a playlist that, you know, they had thought of." So, it's just like, "Okay, well then you might as well just pick one." "You're gonna hate them anyway."

• 9:46Speaker 00

  So, so the expectation is that we all suck, right? You're gonna hate us anyway. That's solid for us. Yeah, but when we live up to that expectation, you guys are still upset about it.

• 9:57Speaker 05

  I, ah, sometimes.

• 9:58Speaker 00

  I just wanna point that thing about the playlist, which is very true, we don't do that. But today, I just wanna point this out. We don't make playlists that you would like, but today, Mark had a playlist ready on the computer, uh, white songs that black people like, just for Alex. The five hours.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, mine teed it up.

• 10:16Speaker 00

  We're very thoughtful for one another.

• 10:18Mark Gagnon?

  The effort you made today was phenomenal.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Come on, bro. Come on, bro. Interracial effort is my big thing, okay? Not intergender, I don't believe in that.

• 10:25Speaker 04

  That was a great display of romance.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  Right?

• 10:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  I had no fucking clue that a playlist was thoughtful. Y'all like playlists? And I think I do a lot of thoughtful things. That didn't cross my mind.

• 10:34Speaker 04

  Here's the thing. Anything that seems like you're paying attention. Yes.

• 10:37Speaker 00

  But there's the thing. We just pay.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:40Speaker 00

  And that's, that's your guys' fault.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  We want you to pay. Exactly.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  Well, then, if, if, if.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  Pick one.

• 10:46Speaker 00

  Well, here's the thing. Exactly. If paying didn't matter, I really believe if paying didn't matter to you guys at all, then we would have to go the extra mile to elicit that same reaction. But unfortunately, paying for things works.

• 11:00Speaker 04

  No, but hold on, the paying is like a generosity thing, and I think biologically we haven't evolved over time. We still want to make sure.

• 11:07Speaker 00

  Yo, Tanya's been.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  We're less of a whole.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  We want to pay for chicks, we want to know you're generous, and when you expect us to have kids, and tell us we can't, we can't work anymore.

• 11:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay, but wait, think about it like this.

• 11:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, let's think about it.

• 11:26Speaker 04

  Eventually, eventually, you guys are gonna want us to have kids, right? Eventually, you're gonna want us to have kids.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  This is why women got the right to vote. Cause there was one Tanya woman out there that was like spitting to all the politicians. They're like, I think that they could do it.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, alright, come on.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  I've been thinking about women like Akash's wife, who are constantly on TikTok.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  Oh, this is another thing. If we make Akash's wife, we were talking about this, this is my goal now in life. I didn't know that Akash's wife was like a serious influencer. She's like a big fucking deal, okay?

• 11:53Speaker 04

  I watch hours of her TikTok.

• 11:55Speaker 00

  So here's the thing, I didn't know this. Now that I know that she is like an influencer on TikTok.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  You don't get hurt my feelings? I've literally sent a video, remember she made it on Fox News? I sent it to the flag group. And you didn't pay attention.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  That's when I discovered.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  You paid no attention, and that hurt my feelings. That really hurt me. This guy's thoughtless.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  They're wondering, I was saying.

• 12:13Speaker 00

  You know what hurt me? When you send me a video of your wife.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  That's what hurt me. When you know that I have other shit to do and you're like, "Watch my wife talk about this shit." That was the insulting thing to me.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  I hate you.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  I hate you.

• 12:30Speaker 00

  And you know what I'm gonna do with that hate? I'm gonna make sure, and listen, I say this to all the Flagrant listeners out there, the Flagrant viewers, please, I beg of you, we need to make, what is her TikTok?

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Just Lean with it. J-A-S-L-E-E-N.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  Just Lean with it. We need to make, just lean with it, rock with it. We need to make her the biggest fucking TikTok superstar on planet. Okay?

• 12:50Speaker 01

  You guys saw this one, her imitating me, right?

• 12:52Speaker 04

  My mom has the biggest titties.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  Bitch, aight bitch, shut the fuck up.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  That's actually good, dude. Make fun of other Indians?

• 13:06Speaker 04

  Are you Gadrabi, you cheap little bitch? Are you Gadrabi, you dumb fucking bitch? Are you Malu, you dark bitch?

• 13:15Speaker 00

  It's me, dude, it's me.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  I'm just like saying what he would say, I don't say that. Oh, look at me, I'm Akash, I can't sleep.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, we gotta, hey, Just Lean with it, we need to make that the biggest TikTok account in the world. I just wanna see.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  If you thought you weren't sleeping now.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  Wait till your wife is making more money. Guys, you should already know this, but if you do not, March 4th on Netflix, my new special, Life, is coming out. Uh, I'm very excited for you all to see it. It's the thing I'm most proud of ever creating in my entire life. Thank you to every single one of you that came out to see the shows on the tour. Uh, if you were able to see those shows, watch that shit anyway. And if you weren't, here's the opportunity for you to see what that hour is like. Again, thank you guys all so much. Spread the word, or run it up, or watch it as a family. Go to Netflix right now, hit that "Remind Me" button. That's helpful, apparently, you know, tells the algorithm that people are interested and it sends it to more people. So that'd be very helpful. But thank you guys so much for all the support and making this a possibility. So Life is coming out on Netflix, March 4th. We're watching as a family.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  Let's get back to the show.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  We also gotta do dates. Uh, we added a sixth show in Bray, tickets are almost gone, they might be gone by the time you get this. We'll try to add a seventh, but there is no real, real estate. So get tickets to this one. Also, Zany's in Nashville, February 27th through March 1st. March 14th and 15th. I completely forgot. I got shows in Tulsa, Oklahoma. So buy tickets to that. 21st and 22nd, Omaha, a bunch of other dates. Akashsingh.com. We're gonna add more April dates soon. Oh, also hurry up and buy April 11th through 13th, I believe. Uh, maybe 10th through 12th, but I'm pretty sure 11th through 13th in Tampa. All the, the dates got canceled when I was, that had the flu. Those tickets are almost gone, so get your tickets for that. Akashsingh.com. Now let's get back to the show.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  What's up, guys? We're gonna take a break really quick. World's fastest ad read, alright? February 25th, New York City. I'm at Mary Lou doing my own show with a bunch of my friends. And then the 27th, I'm in Baltimore, Belmore, New York.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  It's already taken a while.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  No, I'm going, I'm trying to go fast. March 1st, and then Rochester, New York, March 26th.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Where do they find these dates, Mark?

• 15:14Speaker 03

  Portland, Maine, April 27th.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  TheMarkYagon.com.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Multiple people have done, tried to do that after the shows. I'm married and I don't want this sexual interaction, so please don't do that. But please come to the shows, come see me. Smell me in real life. I promise, it's pretty good, alright? I'll see you guys there. TheMarkYagon.com, bye.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  Find out what his dick smells like.

• 15:35Speaker 00

  Okay, so you need more effort from us, ladies. And, um, so what we're seeing right now is the complaints of a lack of effort. And that kind of like masqueraded as these other things like red flags and icks, etc. And that's what I think Mark was talking about. Where you don't really have red flags and icks. You just date guys you don't like because you don't want to be alone. And then you start describing the things you don't like about them.

• 15:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:59Speaker 00

  But if you, just don't date us.

• 16:01Speaker 05

  Agreed.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  Don't date us.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  That's what they're doing. Kiana, we haven't heard from Kiana's.

• 16:07Speaker 06

  Well, like, it depends on how much is going on, like, in your life. Like, sometimes you just don't want to spend any time with anyone. Sometimes you're really bored, so you're like, oh, he wasn't that bad.

• 16:19Speaker 00

  See, that's...

• 16:20Speaker 05

  Standards, though.

• 16:21Speaker 00

  But what's crazy is...

• 16:24Speaker 06

  But then it's like, you get fed up really quickly, so then you're like, eh, it's not worth the time.

• 16:30Speaker 00

  Alex, what do you think about this?

• 16:35Speaker 00

  What are your feelings about this? You're so quiet over there. What, what's going on in your head right now?

• 16:40Mark Gagnon?

  I would know. I make a lot of effort with my wife, so it's like, it's one of those things where...

• 16:43Speaker 00

  You haven't even made the effort to make her your wife.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  What are you talking about my wife? What I don't, you don't get to use that word until you sign the paperwork. If you don't got paperwork, you don't get to call her wife.

• 16:56Mark Gagnon?

  Okay fiance.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Fiance.

• 16:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 16:58Speaker 00

  Barely.

• 16:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. What do you mean barely?

• 17:01Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 17:02Mark Gagnon?

  She got a ring.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  I don't even like that word. Like what does that mean?

• 17:05Mark Gagnon?

  Nah. I put it on. And once you put it online, that's, that's.

• 17:10Mark Gagnon?

  That's efficient. That's efficient.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  You don't even show her feet, bro.

• 17:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yo.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  I'm saying with all due respect.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  I know.

• 17:20Speaker 00

  I'm not talking about it.

• 17:21Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 17:22Speaker 00

  I'm not talking about it.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  I'm only looking at Alex's mom's feet. I'll do respect.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying. Imagine, imagine treating your mom worse than your fiance, bro. Or better.

• 17:31Mark Gagnon?

  Or better. Yeah, or better.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Hey, welcome to being married.

• 17:36Speaker 00

  Yo, that's true. They get along now, right?

• 17:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's how you know you're not married.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  They've always gotten along.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Once you get married, that shit gonna switch over immediately. They still playing, they playing, uh, playing nice with each other.

• 17:47Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 17:48Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:48Mark Gagnon?

  That's not fun to look forward to at all.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, no, no. The second you get married.

• 17:53Mark Gagnon?

  I had to create a game to show effort.

• 17:55Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:55Mark Gagnon?

  So me and my fiance do Christmas every month.

• 17:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:58Mark Gagnon?

  So on the 25th of every month, we give each other a gift. So we have to listen to one another throughout the month and see if you pick up on something that that person needs.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  That is a lot, dude.

• 18:07Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying. You gotta gamify it.

• 18:09Speaker 00

  Listen, listen.

• 18:10Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta gamify it.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  Is brilliantly framed. You framed.

• 18:14Mark Gagnon?

  Now you're gonna make shit out of it.

• 18:15Speaker 00

  I'm not gonna shit on it, dude. I'm not gonna shit on it, but what, what?

• 18:18Speaker 01

  He's gonna shit on it.

• 18:18Speaker 00

  I'm gonna shit on it. But this is genius. This is why you're really smart. Cause you framed as this exciting thing for her and now she gets the effort that you want. But what you really did is create a device where anytime she wants to buy anything, you go, but it's, it's not the, uh, 25th of the month yet. So why would you get that?

• 18:36Speaker 01

  No, cause he can still buy it, but he gotta listen. It's still his responsibility to get a gift that she didn't buy herself.

• 18:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  So he gotta actually listen. Buddy, you dug yourself into a fucking hole. It's fu- it's already too many days to give a fuck. Valentine's, birthdays, Christmas, India, I got Diwali, I got a fucking, oh my god.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  A funeral here and there.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  We added that into the mix.

• 18:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 00

  Some of us like hearing from our partners.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Is that your love language? Quality time? Cause that shit, I did the test, that's my least important. With any human being, y'all get the fuck out my face, tell me you love me.

• 19:07Speaker 00

  Time is my first. Yeah, that's a lie, bro. We used to spend so much time together.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  We lived together, we'd go out to eat until three in the morning every single night. You love quality time.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was lonely. I'd rather be.

• 19:26Speaker 00

  You didn't actually like hanging out.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  You don't watch the TikToks of my wife? It's just thoughtless.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  Just didn't wanna be alone, that's all. I didn't know they were that funny, man. I will, I will subscribe. I just got TikTok back on my phone. Cause I had a new phone. You didn't get TikTok until like two days ago. So now I'm locked in.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Oh, can I ask you a question about the rather be with somebody even if they suck? Do you think it's rooted in biology, in the biological clock?

• 19:53Speaker 04

  Yes and no. Wait, hold on. I think yes, cause it depends on how old you are.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Cause her clock is all, yeah.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  No joke, two of my best male friends have been coercing me to go get my eggs frozen. My male friends.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  You should. But this is a hustle too, we were talking about this.

• 20:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, but also I think it is rooted in that, but I also think it's like if you're in your 30s.

• 20:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  Or mid 30s especially.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  And you've been with the guy for like a year. And you're like, fuck, I only have a couple more years left.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Right?

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 04

  So then it's true, it is rooted in that. And then there's also intertwined, like all the other attachment stuff.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  What's our maternity leave policy?

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Yes, I don't think you got one.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  You know what's funny is freezing your eggs is probably cheaper than maternity leave. And I wonder if that's why the business is doing it.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  They do do it that way, 100%.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  So, in an, oh god, that's the worst.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  That's 100% why the tech companies all do that.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  That's the worst type of sexism, when it's framed as. Progressive. Progressive.

• 20:58Speaker 04

  So same as PTO, by the way, why do you think companies get?

• 21:00Speaker 00

  Same as what?

• 21:01Speaker 04

  PTO.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  I don't know what that is. Don't even explain it. I don't wanna know if there's something we should be giving.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  What is PTO? Okay, time off. I don't even understand that intellectually.

• 21:12Speaker 00

  It's got time off in the fucking acronym or whatever that is.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Basically, tech companies give unlimited PTO.

• 21:19Speaker 00

  So how do you have a business?

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Because the whole point is when you give someone-

• 21:22Speaker 00

  Freedom of the mind, for fuck's sake.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  When you give someone two weeks-

• 21:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  And then they don't take it-

• 21:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 04

  You have to pay them out for it. When it's unlimited and they, most people in tech companies, they won't even take their PTO.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  Love that. They feel shame. They feel judgment.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. It's like, ah, like especially in America, it's like you're always working, you're always working. Even if you're traveling, you're answering emails, but then the companies don't have to pay them out. So it's like, ah, they do it for like a tax purposes.

• 21:46Speaker 00

  Oh, you're saying if they don't take the two weeks off, they have to pay them for the time they work? So they do unlimited daytime off?

• 21:51Speaker 03

  They only take three days.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  So it's the same thing with the freezing your eggs bullshit.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. We will ship in a freezer eggs though, right?

• 21:59Speaker 04

  Oh, thanks.

• 21:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, actually.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  Would you?

• 22:01Speaker 00

  Hundred percent. Yeah.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  A jar in the office?

• 22:03Speaker 00

  No, no, I would freeze it. I could work out a freezing situation. No, no, absolutely. I will, I will definitely pay anybody here that wants to freeze their eggs.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  I hope Zach, you're listening?

• 22:12Speaker 00

  No, a hundred percent I will. Well, no, Zach is gainfully employed.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  You just offered.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, fuck. Anyway, okay.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  Is there a plan B?

• 22:20Speaker 03

  Can we put them in the studio though? Is that allowed?

• 22:22Speaker 00

  Oh, can we store them? Can you be the one to store them?

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Time is frozen eggs, like an agro crag, just like in the corner.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Before we forget, you had a great point on the call yesterday. This is why Taylor Swift, women fucking love.

• 22:32Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Because she seemingly doesn't put up with the shitty guy. She'll break up with you, she'll write a song, make all the money, but speak to you guys and your frustrations.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  Cause she's more comfortable being lonely, I guess, or the perception is she is.

• 22:47Speaker 05

  Because she is financially independent. There is an incentive to date the guy who can, yeah, maybe he's not the most thoughtful, but he can pay for a meal, cause maybe I can get out of this girl boss rat race. Like, that'd be great. And Taylor can leave the guy.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  What's the girl boss rat race? Cause I feel like girls are leaving this shit at like, the girl boss thing was hot five years ago and I feel like that thing is dying.

• 23:08Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, it was kind of a lie that was sold to us.

• 23:10Speaker 04

  Shifted social media. It's like the whole trad wife.

• 23:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, trad wife.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  Like, super like into like raising your children, cooking for them.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  God forbid.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Homestead, get some chickens, raw milk.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  Everything from scratch. Everything's shifting.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, why do you guys think that is?

• 23:25Speaker 04

  Trump.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  The boy!

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Y'all are blaming your own shift in mindset on Trump?

• 23:34Speaker 05

  I'm not, I'm not. I think it was a, it was a lie, because it was like, oh, like-

• 23:38Speaker 00

  Into the mic.

• 23:39Speaker 05

  You're-

• 23:39Speaker 00

  You know, we have more of these, but it's really fun that they are all shared.

• 23:42Speaker 05

  Women have to share?

• 23:44Speaker 00

  Oh, god.

• 23:46Speaker 05

  It's like, we were told that you could like, girl boss, and not have to like, you know, be the madman wife at home, but all of a sudden, now we have to do both. No one's planning, your dinner reservations are taking care of you.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  So this is interesting.

• 23:59Speaker 05

  Also, girls don't date down.

• 24:00Speaker 00

  Well, I want to get to, I want to get to that in a second. But, uh, but the, this is interesting about the girl boss idea. So maybe there's a little part of them, they're going, okay, if I go to work, I make that money.

• 24:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, then you don't have to be with the loser.

• 24:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, no, you don't have to be with the loser, for sure, but then you assume that the guy would also pick up some of the slack?

• 24:19Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:20Speaker 00

  Right, and then you found out that we won't.

• 24:22Speaker 05

  Right.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  And now you're like, why am I working?

• 24:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, I'll, I'll do all the thoughtful shit. I don't, I don't need, you know-

• 24:28Speaker 00

  But you're not gonna work as well.

• 24:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't want to work as well. Give me home, or give me office, I don't want to do both, and I think now people are having to do both.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  Didn't we decide this like, a million years ago?

• 24:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 06

  Full circle.

• 24:42Speaker 05

  Full circle, yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 00

  To that point-

• 24:45Speaker 06

  Biologically, we haven't changed.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  But to that point, would you rather work, you got a guy, maybe makes a, maybe less, maybe a lot less money than you, but does all the thoughtful shit? Or you do the thoughtful shit and they work? Which would you rather?

• 24:56Speaker 06

  They do the thoughtful shit, and they work. I mean, I-

• 25:06Speaker 00

  No, that's the truth.

• 25:07Speaker 05

  That's the truth.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  That's the real truth.

• 25:10Speaker 05

  It depends how good their job is, honestly. Like, I think if they're like, really high up, then like, great, I'll do the thoughtful shit.

• 25:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:17Speaker 05

  But yeah, I think most people probably want to like, be in love and have someone do the thoughtful stuff.

• 25:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wait a minute, so if the guy has like, a really important job, or where it's very time consuming, you'll do all that kind of stuff?

• 25:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'll do all the home stuff. If you're saying everything's paid for.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  You're saying that? Until you guys get comfortable and then that shit goes out the fuck.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  I'll tell you right now, I don't want that.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  No, we know.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Why don't we even call Tanya? Tanya, you should be sitting on this.

• 25:53Speaker 00

  No, I, I think that everybody, you start to get comfortable and um.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the money comes with control also, which is a part that I don't like. Yeah, that is. If they have.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  How do we have control?

• 26:03Speaker 04

  If you're, if you're paying for everything, paying for the house.

• 26:06Speaker 00

  We're married.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. Until you start cheating and then there's a divorce and then the woman's stuck with nothing.

• 26:13Speaker 00

  Nothing.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  They have to rely, well, let's say you signed a prenup.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  I didn't have a prenup.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  Not you specifically, I'm talking about the world.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  You're saying what I should have done.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  And then, cause I mean, this was my biggest resentment in Montreal, girls my generation.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  Yo, Tanya getting it all. She needed this.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  This is therapy, this is therapy.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, talk.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  It's like, our mothers all went through the same thing. They didn't work, the second they started a family, they didn't work. The mu, the husbands made all the money, the husbands are going off on business trips, they're fucking around, they're cheating, women want to get divorced. And then the women are stuck with nothing and they still, even after divorced, have to rely on the husband to provide whatever they choose as like alimony, right?

• 26:54Speaker 01

  And to be fair, I've heard this saying that makes a lot of sense. The courts are not in the collections business, so even if they award you half, the husband could just not pay, there's not really much you can do.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  You're supposed to pay for your.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Which I think is fair to bring up. There's no like, the court's not gonna come after you, they, not really.

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Is that true? Nah, they do a little bit.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  And that's why you wanna have a kid.

• 27:13Speaker 04

  Okay. But there's a difference between.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yo, don't.

• 27:17Speaker 04

  And, most.

• 27:19Speaker 00

  You gotta have a kid. Apparently. Yeah, dumb is somewhere another. She's Jewish.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  Hold on, so if you trap them, if you baby trap them, gotta go.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  Gotta go.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  You're both doing a good job. You gotta let women talk. Stop silencing them.

• 27:40Speaker 06

  Is I'm the only one of color on this side?

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Yes. Not this side.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  Okay, go. Well, Tanya's something.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Well, like.

• 27:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Tanya's from Africa. Yeah. Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 06

  She's part African.

• 27:53Speaker 04

  Like, kids who have divorced parents, like, my best friend, her mom got alimony and got child support. The courts will go after the dad if they don't pay.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  If you have a child and they'll take away your passport so you can't travel.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  What do you guys think of alimony as a concept?

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Fantastic.

• 28:14Speaker 00

  That shit is a criminal enterprise.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  I don't love it. I don't mind you get half.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  I do. Wait, listen to this argument again.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  Half, half, sure, but alimony? It depends who falls for divorce.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  Isn't that what alimony essentially is?

• 28:24Speaker 00

  No.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Half is what we got now.

• 28:27Speaker 00

  One at a time, one at a time. Go.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  You take half of what we got now in a divorce, especially if we got kids. Yeah, absolutely. Child support, even if we got kids, okay, alimony.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  You need to do that.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  That's your fault.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  No, but hold on. Andrew, wait, this is a good question for Andrew.

• 28:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Okay, so you're successful.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Dangerous question for Andrew.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  You're successful when you met Emma, you made X amount.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Right? And now you're significantly more successful than then.

• 28:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 04

  And you are have, you have a baby and you prefer that she stays at home with the baby because that's how you want your.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  That's an assumption.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  No, that's what I'm saying, assuming that that's what happened.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  That's not true.

• 29:03Speaker 04

  It's not true?

• 29:03Speaker 00

  No.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Because a lot of fathers actually prefer that the mother raises the kid.

• 29:09Speaker 00

  So it was very, I was very specific about this, like with, like Emma, you know, she got her MBA, she was, you know, doing AI projects for Apple, like she, she was killing it. And this was her choice. So I said, you have to want to do this.

• 29:22Speaker 04

  Okay, fine.

• 29:22Speaker 00

  Like, this is, it's not going to be my decision because if, if you don't like it, I don't want you to ever resent me for it. So this has to be your decision. If anytime you want to go back to work, obviously, like, I grew up in a family where both parents work. Now, was I, was I supportive of it? A thousand percent. Like, the person I trust more than anything in the world is going to be the one looking after my daughter. Like, yeah, that's the ideal scenario of the world, but I'm not going to, like, restrict her 100%.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  Right, but hypothetically, there are families.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  If there are guys that go, you can't work, I need you to get the baby.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  Sometimes it's, they prefer it for the, for family purposes.

• 29:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:53Speaker 04

  Sometimes if you, like, actually do the math, it almost becomes more expensive to hire nannies and everything.

• 29:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:00Speaker 04

  Than the mother's salary.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  That moment in time. So she quits her job, she stays at home. And then let's say, when she does, if she decides to go back to work eventually, after you've had three kids, whatever. She's now 10 years behind in her career versus where she would have been. So then that's where the growth of when you got married versus where you are now comes into play. Which is not fair to just get, let's say, half of like when you started.

• 30:24Speaker 00

  So this is the way I look at these things. Good point. I think it's a, I think it's like a great, like more nuanced point. I think that there's a certain number where we don't need to worry about alimony. So let's say, for example, like you got, you have $20 million between the two of you. You guys get divorced. 10 and 10. You'll figure it the fuck out.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:42Speaker 00

  You don't need alimony as well.

• 30:44Speaker 04

  100%.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  But that's not how the law looks at it. The law looks at it, you split it 50 50, and you have to maintain her lifestyle, whatever her lifestyle was with you, you have to maintain it.

• 30:53Speaker 04

  Well, she's a bitch.

• 30:55Speaker 00

  It's not her fault. It's not her fault. It's the law's fault, right? And these laws are kind of antiquated because they're built around a time where women weren't, you know, girl bosses. They weren't making all this money and they wanted to protect women because they literally couldn't get a job to support their families. Also, most people don't have 20 mil when they get divorced. Exactly. So I'm just saying, there, there needs to be like a little bit more nuance with it.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  But usually the way the judge looks at it, I'm pretty sure, is to maintain the same, to maintain the same lifestyle as when you were married. So it's like if you were buying your wife a Chanel every year.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  You should have stayed married.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  You shouldn't have bought her Chanel every year in the first place.

• 31:28Speaker 00

  No, no, like you should have, if, but this lifestyle with us being married, like for example, I gotta maintain your lifestyle with us being married. But you don't gotta come and cook me dinner every night. That's my own.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  That's the Chris Rock joke, pussy payments.

• 31:39Speaker 00

  No, I don't want pussy. I want dinner. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like I want, I want the clothes washed and folded. Like if I have to pay you to maintain your lifestyle, you should still do the things that maintain my lifestyle.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. You made a choice, or we made a choice when we got divorced. This lifestyle is fundamentally different because of just one of you. And I think if women understood where some of this like red pill movement is rooted in this, like this idea is crazy. Let's say Andrew's 20 million and most guys who are complaining about this won't make that kind of money, but 20 million. Whatever job losses you have, valid they may be, is more than offset by the 10 million you just got.

• 32:16Speaker 05

  Oh, that I 100% agree with.

• 32:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think that's essentially the point. But I agree with you that in circumstances where people are both, you know, like one person is a teacher, for example, and the other person is staying home with the kids. Like, obviously, you can't let that person go back to his career that they haven't done 10 years. They have no way of making money, and now the kids are gonna also suffer. So I get that point as well. There just needs to be a little bit more nuance, and I think they just put like, what is it? The fucking Bill of Rights down.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, precedent was set, and now we can't break from precedent.

• 32:45Speaker 05

  All of this nuance, wouldn't it be easier? Like, isn't there some motivation for, like, Andrew in that clip? Or everyone in the comments, like, men trying to, like, process this effort thing? Like, wouldn't it be easier to just learn how to send a playlist or make a reservation? You can avoid all of this. It's so easy. They're begging.

• 33:03Speaker 00

  I'm gonna be honest with you, and I spoke about this, I think, on the pod, right? There was like, it was like my wife's birthday, no, no, no, it was Christmas or something like that. One day I got her for Christmas were these, like, crocks that had these, like, little gibbets in them that, like, pertain to her life and, like, our daughter and everything like that. And she cared about that way more than anything expensive that I got her. And despite that clip coming out six years ago, it hit me, I was like, oh, maybe I should, like, look into what she's, you know, likes or whatever, and like, get things around that. And, uh, you know? Now, now, that makes sense, but I think, Akash, you pointed this out. It's easier, it's less work, it's like we're being lazy when we buy the expensive gift.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  But you're basically paying for their lack of thoughtfulness.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 00

  And, but even this time around, same thing happened. I agree with you, the effort is there. My concern is, and I, I think like when a girl really does love somebody, you know, hopefully my wife really loves me, it makes that much more of a difference. But I do feel like there are some relationships which girls are in where they're like, they don't really like the guy, they just don't wanna be alone, and they, these thoughtful things that the guys are doing are just like... How do I say that they just like extend the unhappiness a little bit longer. She's like, break up with that guy. It's not, you don't have an ick. You don't have a red flag. You don't like him.

• 34:19Speaker 05

  I totally agree. I think that's where you get to the point where she, she's been resenting this lack of effort thing. She's been begging for the effort. It's not clicking. And then even if he does do it, it's like, okay, then she gets to a point where every word that comes out of her mouth is nagging. It's going to be just like miserable for both of you. And it's like, oh yeah, just, just break. Everyone. But that feeling of, of fear of being alone is like, why?

• 34:44Speaker 00

  But here, one second, this is the thing that's interesting.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  We're so used to the nagging. We think that's what you guys are.

• 34:54Speaker 05

  And that's the problem.

• 34:56Speaker 00

  But, but, but, but think about that. No, I'm not saying we're talking about our wives. Definitely not. No.

• 35:01Speaker 05

  But in general.

• 35:02Speaker 00

  Past relationships. But, but like you look at every TV show. No, no, you look at every TV show, right? It's like Al Bundy and his nagging wife. It's like the nagging wife in every single one, right? But what, what you're saying is that this is like a town river problem from picking this guy because you don't want to be alone. I'm just putting the blame on you, which is unfair, but you understand what I'm trying to say.

• 35:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 00

  If, in my experience, when a girl really likes a guy, nothing bothers her about that guy at all.

• 35:27Speaker 05

  We're in a hundred percent agreement. It's not that like women nag or that like, oh, I'm being a bitch. It's just like, oh, you two shouldn't be together.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're elevating low standards across the board.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  That like, oh, she nags, duh. And she's like, oh yeah, well, he doesn't put in any effort, duh.

• 35:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  And they're both just accepting mediocrity.

• 35:44Speaker 05

  Take a year to be alone. Someone better might pop up. Someone might not. It's fine. You're fine.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  That shit's still gonna happen though. My wife's still gonna nag. I'm gonna still be thoughtless sometimes. You know, I mean, the expect, there's a.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  But you love each other and that's fine.

• 35:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. But you know what is annoying? When you're, when you put some thought in and they still nag.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  That shit makes you.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  There needs to be a one week, shut the fuck up. One week, shut the fuck up.

• 36:07Speaker 05

  Does that apply to?

• 36:09Speaker 01

  And here's the problem, and this is what, here's what I'm gonna get in trouble for saying. There is a rate of inflation on thoughtfulness. There is a rate of inflation on thoughtfulness. The amount of effort that is thoughtful, you get used to it as anybody would get used to anything. But that amount of effort increases, so sometimes it's like, alright, well, let me just pay the money. Because that will, now thoughtful went from here to here.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  I disagree. I don't think thoughtful goes up.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Nobody been thoughtful for you.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  Damn, just start working here, man.

• 36:39Speaker 05

  I disagree. But I think it was because I've been.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  Akash, go, can you tell us your feelings with respect to having an HR department? Where's Dove? Where's Dove?

• 36:52Speaker 05

  I think like, yeah, you can, you can scale it up. You can do something more thoughtful, you can plan something more thoughtful, but it doesn't always go up.

• 36:59Speaker 06

  It doesn't, yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Sneak in a sticky note on her desk that says, have a great day. Like just little things that actually, it ebbs and flows, don't just keep it going up.

• 37:11Speaker 00

  You need to learn my handwriting. That's what we need to do. Dove! Yes, he's back!

• 37:17Speaker 03

  No, a fire one is.

• 37:18Speaker 00

  Dove, go sit down.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Put sticky notes all over the apartment, and then she'll find two one day, and then she'll find three more the next day. And she thinks you're putting them down there all week, but really you just did it one time.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  And then a week later, she's like, why are you leaving so much garbage?

• 37:31Speaker 00

  Can you clean up a little bit? Okay, Dove, Dove, I don't know if you've been listening to this conversation. Have you been listening from the outside? A little bit. We have a special coming out too, so it's a lot of that.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  Lot of effort from Dove. Thanks, Dove.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  Dove and I do have like a marital relationship. You do bring this up, you really want me to notice the effort. You do want me to notice the effort, and I just want to see the result. I want the Gucci bag.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  Oh, when mom and dad fight?

• 37:59Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  About the effort, they, oh god.

• 38:02Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, but I don't know why, why did we want Dove in here? Oh no, Akash was insulting people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  When I said yuck and you didn't.

• 38:10Speaker 00

  Budge, I knew we were good. We're good. Yeah. So we're trying to get to the bottom of this stuff. We're trying to figure out love. We're trying to make sure that we enter these great, healthy relationships where both sides respect one another. Are you a thoughtful person when it comes to the women that you date? Of course.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  You know how thoughtful Dove is when it comes to dates? Oh, no. Dove would go on dates with girls because he is truly trying to find love. I give him this 1,000%. He's truly trying to find love. And Dove is fighting two things. He's fighting thoughtfulness and he's also fighting ethnicity. And I remember like a week or two into living in New York, he would go, "Do you know how much taking a girl out on a date is?" He goes, "I'm spending 300, 350 a pop on dinner. These girls are drinking like fish. Like, what is wrong with this city?" Do you remember this experience, Dove? That number is high.

• 39:09Speaker 06

  I told you what I told you to do last week. Ratio, that's some of my...

• 39:24Speaker 06

  Some of my guy friends like work in finance. And there was a joke because, you know, there's a roster and there's a lot of girls. And it's a cost per nut ratio. So if you were taking girls out on dates like one through three, sometimes you're getting up there. Like, it's almost like $700. So if the cost per nut ends up higher than $800, they would ghost them.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  Really? But that's because they don't really like them. They just want to have sex with them. Okay, so here's another tricky, tricky thing. And then I remember I was on Rogan once and this clip that Joe and I were talking about ended up going like pretty viral. And there was this, this idea that a million guys have talked about. There was nothing novel about it, but this post-nut clarity. Do you guys remember that? Okay, and it's this unfortunate situation that you guys are in where it's like, the guy doesn't really know if he likes you until after you guys have slept together. And it's...

• 40:21Speaker 00

  Tanya is a guy. I know. I know. She really is a guy. That's my nigger, right?

• 40:31Speaker 00

  Don't you say it, Tanya.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  Okay, so, so are women aware of that or not?

• 40:41Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 40:42Speaker 05

  Women are aware of that.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  And I think that's like-

• 40:44Speaker 00

  What is the conversation amongst yourselves about that?

• 40:47Speaker 05

  It's unfortunate that women actually like, once they sleep with you, like, will then become more attached and the timelines are completely opposite.

• 40:57Speaker 00

  So break that down.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  Like, once you have sex, the man is like, okay, yeah, like, okay, maybe that's fine. Maybe I don't like her that much. Meanwhile, once she has sex with you, she has all these hormones where she's saying, oh, my God, I love him. Oh, my God, I need to be near him. Even though they're illogical, you're like fighting this like avalanche inside your body, being like, I need to spend time with that person.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  And pre-sex is different where the man is more invested and you're kind of like-

• 41:17Speaker 05

  Yes, the timelines are completely opposite.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Men use love to get sex, women use sex to get love.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  The other way, the other way.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  No, I think women use sex to get love.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what it is.

• 41:26Speaker 00

  You got it right. So men use love to get sex and this is the, uh, what is that, uh, the Playboy method or something like that where you're really nice to them in the beginning? Like love bombing. Love bombing or something like that.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  And I honestly don't think that you can look at that and say like, oh, it's purposeful love bombing or like purposely-

• 41:42Speaker 00

  No, I think it's quite genuine, actually.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  I think it's genuine. I think they genuinely believe, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna get to know her, I'm gonna have sex with her. But then somehow, like chemically, once it happens, it's like, alright.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  And now we look like a fuckboy.

• 41:52Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 41:52Speaker 00

  When in reality, we never really liked that person as much as we truly thought we did.

• 41:57Speaker 05

  Exactly. And then the women look like a psycho, but they're just kind of like, what's happening in my brain?

• 42:01Speaker 00

  And our ego gets hit like crazy because we're like, yeah, she didn't really like me that much and so I gave her that.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 00

  I'll put it down.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  I think she's good at sex. I didn't understand this as a guy who's a virgin.

• 42:12Speaker 00

  Yes. When we're not, it's just this, oh, how advantageous for us. A chemical gets released in your head after sex where you love us that much more, no matter how bad the sex is.

• 42:22Speaker 05

  Oxytocin, yeah. Billie Eilish has a song about it.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  Really?

• 42:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:25Speaker 06

  Even if it's bad sex? I don't think that's true. I don't think it's bad.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  It's bad. It's bad. It's bad.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. So is there, is there-

• 42:40Speaker 06

  Go stop crying. Brother, listen to his podcast.

• 42:43Speaker 00

  Alright. Sorry, gallows brother, we love you. Uh, so it is possible that that sex can be so bad that you're like, I don't really want to, the oxytocin doesn't get released.

• 42:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think it's like not all women, not all men, like it's just that is a thing that can happen.

• 42:59Speaker 00

  We're speaking in generalizations, of course.

• 43:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, but yeah, sometimes that can happen and that's where the Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey, like getting fixated on like, oh, like I love him. This like, I don't know. Yes, Tanya goes.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Let's tie in the effort to the sex. What if the, when you have sex, there's no effort and it's all about him?

• 43:18Speaker 00

  Define effort, because I feel like for us, just not coming fast is the most ever we commit.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  You can tell if there's like.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  How much more effort can we put in?

• 43:26Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't think of my dead grandma for three minutes.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  Three minutes, three minutes.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  No, effort in sex, I don't want no effort in sex.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 43:34Mark Gagnon?

  She just died, I just got over this.

• 43:36Speaker 00

  Come on, bro.

• 43:38Speaker 04

  Like, is he like, is he like, what's the foreplay like? Is he going down on you? Is he?

• 43:43Speaker 00

  You're thinking about all these things, like.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  If you're on a date with a guy.

• 43:48Speaker 00

  You expect a guy to go down you the first night, like with no showering or anything?

• 43:52Speaker 04

  There's still foreplay. He has to go all the way down, but there's.

• 43:55Speaker 00

  We go out partying, we're dancing, you're wearing like tights.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  Use your fingers.

• 43:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, for what? Ew. I use my fingers. You didn't see at dinner at the end when I went in and I took out? Fingered your wallet? No, no, no. Okay, yeah. So, so an attention to satisfying you, not just being satisfied.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  Because once you guys come, game over.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  Yo, facts, though.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, facts. We have to come first and that's effort.

• 44:20Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  And then I'll get that thing that you just talked about.

• 44:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.

• 44:23Speaker 00

  What is this thing?

• 44:23Speaker 04

  The thing in the brain, that oxytocin.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  That weird thing that be happening in these visions.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  She's in denial, bro. Tanya is going without oxytocin.

• 44:34Speaker 05

  I'll say that if the sex is bad, you're immediately, you're written off. Goodbye.

• 44:39Speaker 00

  100%.

• 44:40Speaker 05

  I was assuming that that was the case, that the sex was good.

• 44:43Speaker 00

  Let me throw out an outlier, okay? This is, this is a tricky one, but I, I have seen, okay, I had a friend who hooked up with this girl. He was like, dude, I, I fucking couldn't get it up.

• 44:58Speaker 00

  That girl became obsessed with him.

• 45:00Speaker 05

  Really?

• 45:05Speaker 07

  My dad could never get it up. Reminds me a lot of him, to be honest.

• 45:08Speaker 00

  Now, now, is there a part of that where it's like, like, they dated, like, they dated for years? And now, I, this is what I chalked it up to. I chalked it up to her going, "That made me feel really rejected." And I'm wondering, from the female perspective, is there a part of it where it's like, "I've never had a guy not get it up with me. I feel rejected. I feel ugly. I'm gonna win him over. I'm gonna prove to him that I can get him hard or whatever, so that I like myself."

• 45:38Speaker 05

  Maybe like a very young person might think that, but that seems pretty, like, immature. Like, there really is no correlation between, like, how you look or your behavior to that.

• 45:49Speaker 00

  Right. Would you still write that guy off if you're saying there's no correlation between whatever?

• 45:53Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 45:54Speaker 00

  100%. Closing the mic like a, like a fucking senator, dude.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  It depends. It depends. Is this like the kind of guy, like, it's like you've been dating, everything was perfect, da-da-da?

• 46:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, you guys are getting along, it's great.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  You guys are getting along, then one night you went out drinking till 5 o'clock in the morning, maybe did some other substances. And then you have whiskey dick. That's forgivable.

• 46:12Speaker 00

  So, and what happens in those moments? Do, like, does it, like, yeah, Miles?

• 46:20Speaker 00

  But like, do you just, like, bang it against it, like?

• 46:22Speaker 07

  Nah, I just...

• 46:23Speaker 04

  Sponsored by Mochu.

• 46:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, you smuck barn for a whole year of your life.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  No, but like, when you actually try to have the sex, is it like, uh, have you ever seen, like, a baby elephant doesn't know that it can use it to get the water out of the watering hole? And they just kind of, like, slap it against the pond? Is that kind of what happens?

• 46:38Speaker 07

  How do I laugh this off? Tell me.

• 46:43Speaker 00

  Do you go to the bathroom and then try to get it up?

• 46:49Speaker 07

  Am I winning yet, or like?

• 46:53Speaker 00

  I had a buddy that would say this, and this is, this was pure game, I know 100%, right? He'd go, he would go, when he was talking to girls, he'd be like, "Yeah, girls never made me come from head. I just don't know what it is."

• 47:02Speaker 04

  Oh my god, he might have times people do that.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  That is like the oldest trick in the book.

• 47:10Speaker 04

  That is the oldest trick in the book. Let me try, let me try my hardest. I'll go down there for 45 minutes. This one, bitch is fucking dumb. Did you call for that one?

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Yo!

• 47:27Mark Gagnon?

  This is awesome.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Oh my god!

• 47:32Speaker 00

  Okay, so guys try that shit, they go like, "Oh, I could never."

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Who knew listening to women could be fun?

• 47:38Speaker 00

  We've been fucking up for 10 years, okay. So, okay, so that's not a trick that guys should use? That, like, girls know about that trick already?

• 47:44Speaker 06

  Yeah. I feel like, that's just so-

• 47:48Speaker 00

  If a girl ever said to us, and they're like-

• 47:49Speaker 06

  Is that, or assume you're gay?

• 47:51Speaker 00

  Or you assume you're gay, yes, okay. But if a girl ever said to us, like, "No guy's been ever to, you know, make me come from going down on me," I'd be like-

• 47:58Speaker 01

  He should try something else! Save me some work, write that off, thank god!

• 48:03Speaker 00

  Oh wow, okay, okay, so that doesn't work, alright, this is good, it's good to know. Is there anything a guy that you really like can do that you're like, immediately, "No, I'm done"?

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Actual ick.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, not like a, "Oh, he rubs his hair," or, "Oh, he like, puts his shoulders up in the rain."

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Funny they may be, yeah, I don't think there are a lot of them.

• 48:21Speaker 05

  Sending food back at a restaurant.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  Really?

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  What if they actually fucked it up?

• 48:26Speaker 06

  Being rude to waitstaff.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm with that.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can see that, I can see that. Tanya? Supporting pe-

• 48:36Speaker 06

  I was not gonna say that!

• 48:37Speaker 03

  I knew you were. You Jew ass.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Oh my god, dude.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  I also feel like this is New York contingent, like, I feel like dating in New York, guys in New York, just kinda suck. Like, I hear my friends tell me stories about, like, dating guys in New York, it's just like, no guy ever wants to settle down.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Your female friends, you say?

• 48:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and like, no guy wants to date-

• 49:00Speaker 05

  Do you think dating in Milwaukee is gonna be better?

• 49:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  I kinda do.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't know, but-

• 49:04Speaker 05

  There's like studies about this shit.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  This is my feeling, is that like, the more like, small-town, like, Christian vibes, the more guys are like, "Yeah, I'll get married and do-" You have less options out there.

• 49:12Speaker 05

  Are those towns only Christian? Where are we supposed to go?

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Utah, Salt Lake City.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Okay, so you're saying because the culture reinforces getting married and meeting someone that you want to be with?

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Also, potentially, the culture, I remember you saying, I don't know if it still applies, but when we first started hanging out, you were like, girls move to LA to get famous, they move to New York to live Sex and the City lives.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  So to a guy, it's like, well, these girls are just trying to fuck anyway, so I'll find somebody else around the corner, or in a place where it's like, now these girls are trying to settle down, you might have to be more on your Ps and Qs.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  So talk to-

• 49:44Speaker 04

  It's almost like analysis paralysis here, it's like-

• 49:46Speaker 00

  That's, that's what I'm saying, like, talking to some of-

• 49:47Speaker 04

  You give up easily.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  Talking to some of my guy friends here, they feel like dating is tricky because the girls are handling five or six guys, and one guy could be better, and what are my options?

• 49:58Speaker 04

  Same, vice versa.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  But I haven't heard you guys talk about that at all, do you feel that way?

• 50:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  So, so you're like, I don't really know if I like this guy, and now if you have five guys that you don't really know if you like, you're probably looking at these like, x or red flags way more than if you had one guy in your hometown that you were really into.

• 50:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, it has me using things to rule people out that like, seem kind of cruel. I said this to a friend, I was like, oh yeah, well like, he's sober and AA, so like, he's done. And she was like, well, those people deserve love. I was like, not, not for me, not for me.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  He's trying to better his life, he's turning everything around.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  Like, it's just, that doesn't fit into my style.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  That's scary dude, because one drink, and then he's off the way, and now you're in it, like, you're in it.

• 50:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like, I don't mean that, there's four other dudes who want my time.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Which one is it actually?

• 50:41Speaker 05

  It's all of the above.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  But it's like, you're looking for things to rule them out, because yeah, there's like, seven other dudes on that, the silly little apps that want to take you in the next spot.

• 50:51Speaker 00

  So that is the problem with the apps, is there's constantly a new person.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:55Speaker 00

  And when you think like that, what is it, the grass is always greener?

• 50:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:58Speaker 00

  And the first time you meet somebody, you look at all the opportunity that presents itself, right? It's like, there's like, hope in it, like, he could be perfect, look at all these-

• 51:06Speaker 05

  And you also have way too much information, you have their, like, everything they believe in, and their sense of humor, and all these pictures, and their religion, and like, it's like-

• 51:14Speaker 00

  How much are you Googling people when you meet them?

• 51:16Speaker 05

  Oh, zero.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  Just on Instagram, just like, look at their Instagram, just to see if you have mutuals.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  So wait, you're looking at LinkedIn?

• 51:23Speaker 04

  That is true.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. Tanya's sad.

• 51:31Speaker 06

  Tanya said, "Raina and then plus."

• 51:36Speaker 04

  Look at their LinkedIn.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  That's so funny, dude.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  I mean, what, so what you were saying earlier, like, I'm-

• 51:41Speaker 00

  We're just looking for-

• 51:41Speaker 04

  I'm 34 years old, I'm not dating a bartender.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  God damn. God damn.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  Yo, you know what's so funny? This is Dove is such a girl because the first thing he says when he meets a new girl, he's like, she's actually an engineer and she works for whatever. And I'm like, nobody asked what her fucking occupation is. Show us the video that doesn't have a filter. So we can get like an accurate assessment.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all visual. I knew a guy's girl was really hot when I said, see a picture and he just handed me the phone. And he didn't hand select a picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  Okay, what do you guys feel about like, um, how you look on Instagram versus reality? Like, do you, do you feel when you go to a date, like, everybody looks better on Instagram for sure. But now with all these filters and shit, is there ever a moment like, where you've only talked to this person online, he's only seen what you guys present online? And then in person, you're like, uh, is he gonna think that I'm as attractive? Like, is there any of that insecurity that comes out?

• 52:43Speaker 06

  There wasn't any until one time a guy showed up 100 pounds heavier.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  Oh, no, I'm talking about on you guys.

• 52:48Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 52:53Speaker 00

  So guys are catfishing too?

• 52:55Speaker 06

  I ran for the hills.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  No.

• 53:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  I think I do hear from my guy friends of like, oh, she misrepresented herself. And I'm like, okay, that's a nice way to say that she wasn't as hot as the pictures.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:10Speaker 05

  I think everyone's using four-year-old's pictures. But I also think for us looking at a guy's profile, if I'm gonna show my friends, like, they're all, like, the first thing is like, oh, well, they look better in person. Like, men are, are given more permission to look shitty on Instagram because it's like, oh, like, they don't take pics.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  What about this? A lot of guys, some of whom are on this podcast, will lie about their height. How does that make you feel?

• 53:34Speaker 05

  That does not make me feel good as a 5'9" lady. Like, I, I don't want you to come and be embarrassed. You know, I don't want to meet you at the restaurant and you be like, oh, I shouldn't have lied.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  Do you pay for dinner if you're taller?

• 53:47Speaker 05

  I walk away if I'm taller.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  Wait, so the height is a huge thing? Like, you cannot date a guy.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  I think, right?

• 53:54Speaker 05

  Honesty, but also like, yeah, maybe I could date a guy that's shorter, but it's like, if I'm looking for reasons to rule them out, that's a big one because I don't want them to resent me for being taller than them. Like, I don't want them to have any male ego about how they look.

• 54:07Speaker 00

  You think a guy who's shorter would have a male ego about being with a taller girl? You wouldn't see him as like a badge of honor? He'd be like, oh, my God, look at this.

• 54:14Speaker 06

  Well, that's why girls call them short kings.

• 54:17Speaker 00

  The ones who are not insecure about it.

• 54:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 54:20Speaker 06

  But like, if they're shorter than you and then they misrepresent themselves. If they're shorter than you and then they misrepresent themselves, why would you want to continue to date them?

• 54:29Speaker 01

  That's how we feel if you're not as attractive, but for you, it's height specifically, not just.

• 54:33Speaker 06

  It's like height, height and weight. Like.

• 54:37Speaker 00

  So we're all just lying to each other.

• 54:39Speaker 06

  Shallow, especially in New York.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  But I think the apps have like really increased the levels of shallow because that's the only thing that we can judge on. Whereas back in the day, you'd meet someone at a bar, you knew kind of how tall they were immediately. You knew what they looked like pretty much.

• 54:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, you just hoped you weren't drunk enough, like how drunk you.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  What if a guy has a picture with like three of his boys and he's the least attractive one in the group?

• 54:59Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, bad.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  What are you doing? What an idiot.

• 55:03Speaker 00

  Wait, why is that bad?

• 55:05Speaker 05

  Okay, okay. So then you're going to the date and you're hoping, because, okay, with all these pictures, I'm looking at all these different profiles. I'm not quite grasping which one you are. I'm just hoping it's the guy on the left. I'm hoping, I'm hoping you don't know.

• 55:18Speaker 00

  There's no way you'll go on a date and you don't even know which one of the three guys that.

• 55:21Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 06

  We have.

• 55:26Speaker 04

  Usually there's one picture with a group and the rest are like solo, so you can figure out which one it is. Are you asking, are we going to date the ugliest guy in their group or you're not sure who the guy is?

• 55:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, would that be an issue if he was the ugliest guy in the group?

• 55:37Speaker 04

  But what if he was? No, not at all. I don't know.

• 55:39Speaker 05

  It's not an issue, but you're doing yourself a disservice posting, putting something on your profile where your, your boy looks hotter than you.

• 55:46Speaker 00

  But that's your boy. Like, what does it matter? We don't care about that.

• 55:49Speaker 05

  No, you're out. You're to get ladies. This is the place to get ladies.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  We're supposed to what? Not have hot friends and we have ugly friends?

• 55:56Speaker 06

  There was a girl.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  Funny one. I went for the funny, ugly one.

• 55:59Speaker 06

  There was a girl.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  There's a lot of women that feel that way. Thank God. Ty's about to get a lot of DMs.

• 56:07Speaker 00

  Make your profile private.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  I am so ugly. You have no idea. Girl.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  I need a happy relationship. Don't DM me.

• 56:15Speaker 06

  There was a girl in my sorority who lost a ton of weight and she kept her profile photos of her 20 pounds heavier so that they would be like, oh my God, she's so hot when they met her in person.

• 56:26Speaker 00

  How many people met her in person?

• 56:27Speaker 06

  Good amount.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  Really?

• 56:29Speaker 06

  Hey, baddies deserve love too.

• 56:33Speaker 05

  No, I think that's a bad idea because you want to get as many, like you want to get the best you can get. Now that you worked hard for this body, go get what you want.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, but then there's also something to that. Like if your mentality is get the best and you know you're getting DMs or you're connecting with all these people on these apps, your brain is always going to be looking for a little bit better thing instead of looking for the thing that you want. And that's going to make you alone.

• 56:57Speaker 05

  It's mental illness. What's happening is not a good thing.

• 57:00Speaker 00

  That's important to say.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Yes, I'm just describing what's happening. Yeah, this is not a way to like meet your soulmate.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  Right. So maybe girls should get off the apps. Seems like this is just making life harder for you.

• 57:12Speaker 05

  Maybe, but I still want to drive home the point of like the effort thing is not that hard.

• 57:18Speaker 00

  But what if it's hard for us? Like?

• 57:21Speaker 05

  I wish it wasn't. I think that that's kind of like the, I'm like, why is this so, why, why don't you feel like an intrinsic motivation to like surprise and delight the person that you're with?

• 57:31Speaker 00

  It does feel really good. It does feel really good to do. I will be honest. It feels really good. And then when you make them happy, there is like a feeling of euphoria that comes from it. But I will say it is, it's not like the most natural instinct that we have. The more natural instinct is like, how do I provide? How do I make sure that we're safe? If somebody disrespects them, how do I make sure that like, they don't know that I'm afraid to fight them?

• 57:56Speaker 01

  We had to move to red states. I need a gun.

• 57:58Speaker 06

  No, in all honesty though, I agree with what Andrew's saying. Like when I'm like, when I was like dating, I thought about like the primary values first, not like the stupid other shit. You know what I mean?

• 58:11Speaker 04

  Jewish. Well, yes.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  The trick is to be Jewish.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:16Speaker 00

  Cause that will is a town.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  That's a cheat code.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  It was like, respect, generosity, like that need to like care for me and to have a future and not fuck around. Like all that other stuff was more important than like, I don't give a fuck about flowers. I kill them in a day anyway. Yeah, I guess that that will be given to me. Like if you're in a relationship with. But to me, that is a lot of the effort is like those like primary things first. And then everything else is kind of like icing on the cake. Like if he doesn't send me a playlist or

• 58:49Speaker 04

  send me flowers, but like on a day to day basis, there's like respect and also like little things I think like effort. Like for example, exactly when it's cold outside, he like walks Frankie. Cause like I don't want. But that that's effort, but that also comes down to like, oh, he's gonna, he takes care of me, which is like a primary value.

• 59:07Speaker 03

  Filling up your water. That's a big one.

• 59:08Speaker 04

  Which one?

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Filling up the girl's water. That's like.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, getting off the couch to go to the kitchen, fill up both.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  Fill up the water.

• 59:15Speaker 04

  Little stuff like that.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  Man, fill up the water. That's what.

• 59:16Speaker 04

  I totally agree. But like, that's not the same as like making reservations and sending flowers and like surprising me with all these other things. I think walking your dog is like on that level.

• 59:28Speaker 00

  But we've, we've devised. I think y'all are getting neither as women in general. So you're like.

• 59:32Speaker 04

  No, hold on. It doesn't require planning. That's the difference.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  No, no, we've devised this system where we did things that showcased effort. And I think we started to call it chivalry and then it just became expected. And now it's no longer seen as effort because it is the expectation of our gender. And so now we're going outside of our gender expectation, i.e. writing a card, which is not natural to us, right? Fighting some guy in a bar is an extraordinary fucking effort.

• 1:00:03Speaker 00

  Right, that we have to do, it's expected of us. But we don't, I don't know if we get the same credit for doing it, because if you don't do it, you're a bitch, how could you not support your girl, whatever.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  I gotta pretend I'm willing to fight, even though we both know I'm not. It's a lie we both maintain.

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  But no, on some serious shit, I wonder if we've done a bad job of that. Like, we should never coined it as chivalry. We should have never even spoken about it and just done it. And then when it happened to you guys, you'd be like, oh, that was so nice and thoughtful of them. But now all the things that are kind of like, a little bit more natural, the things that we do, opening a door, obviously paying for dinner and doing these types of things, are the expectation.

• 1:00:37Speaker 06

  But the problem is-

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  So now we gotta do girly shit, so y'all know that we like you.

• 1:00:40Speaker 06

  You're, we're Gen Z-

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Buying a card is not in our wheelhouse at all.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Don't even-

• 1:00:45Speaker 06

  Okay, we're Gen Z. Chivalry in Gen Z is dead. They don't know how to open doors.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Is that, you think that's more of a New York thing? Because I grew up in the South. That's an expectation, hold doors open.

• 1:00:56Speaker 06

  But that's the South. It's like, different in New York.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  I, I think what Andrew is saying about the like, being willing to fight someone in a bar.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  It's a stupid example, but you understand what I'm saying.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  It's a fine point, but it's so rare.

• 1:01:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:01:11Speaker 05

  Like, like, that could happen once, uh, every two years.

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  A fight isn't a real thing, but it's more about like, somebody being rude to you.

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  You want your man to protect you.

• 1:01:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's just, that's just so rare. So the sticky note gets you to the, like-

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  Some guy gawking at you on the street, and then making him feel uncomfortable for doing that. It's not actually a fight, but it's this little example of, hey, I'm gonna protect you. Or say a crazy guy in the subway, and you're like, I don't like this guy.

• 1:01:33Speaker 05

  That's awesome, like, keep doing that. I, I, yeah. That's awesome.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  But he's, he's saying, doesn't that count as effort?

• 1:01:38Speaker 00

  It's expected, and you guys, maybe, I don't know, but maybe you don't see it as the same effort as like, getting you a card. But in our minds, we're like, hey, this is me showing that you're really important to me. And there's this weird homeless guy walking down the street, I'm gonna move you to this side, just in case anything happens. And I wonder if you clock it the same way, like, oh, that was really thoughtful that he did that.

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  I think that that's not a, like, a given. I don't think all the guys out there are doing that. No one has moved me around from a creepy guy.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  Because we're a shitty generation.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:02:06Speaker 06

  I literally only date-

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  You're five nine, though.

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  You can fight, you can fight.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  You might shield me.

• 1:02:13Speaker 06

  I only date guys who are significantly older than me, because men in our generation are the worst.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  This is interesting. Speak on this, yes. So you said that your generation is known for dating much older men.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Sorry, how, can we ask how old you are, is that cool?

• 1:02:28Speaker 06

  Okay, I'm 22, like, my last boyfriend was 31.

• 1:02:32Speaker 00

  So, okay. Like an old guy, 31.

• 1:02:36Speaker 00

  That's my wife. That's funny. But you also said that as well. So, and is that, is that a thing that like your generation is known for? Do people talk about this? Or is this kind of like an unsaid statistic?

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  I feel like a lot of my friends do. Like, I feel like it's like the norm.

• 1:02:51Speaker 05

  I, I don't want to say that it's like, oh, like Gen Z, because it's like the biggest cliche in the book, that like dudes in their 30s want to date 22 year olds. Like, that is how life kind of works. But I think it's happening for Gen Z because these guys, because no one is, oh, sorry. Because no one's like moving me away from the creepy guy or like doing those things. Maybe a 35 year old might know to do that.

• 1:03:14Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  They're like walking on the outside of the sidewalk.

• 1:03:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  Like, when you're walking down the street, like they'll go on the out, like that is just something that should naturally happen. Like, if you date someone who's like 23, just moved to New York, is like, oh my God, like this is the best. You're really playing tour guide and it's like miserable.

• 1:03:31Speaker 05

  And, and their only socialization is fucking video games. Like, their, their brains are like rotted.

• 1:03:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  But do you think this is a problem of also how your generation kind of brought that on themselves with the whole like equality thing? It's like you want everything to be equal. And I'm like, okay.

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  Shit, yep. If this was an audio only podcast, like revealing the video of her and it's just one of us in a wig.

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  We don't need to be here for this.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  But it's like, that is a, a thing that happened. That happened with the whole society being like, oh, men and women are exactly equal. Everything is the exact same. And you guys made it seem like it looks da, they're looking down upon you. If they treat you a certain way, so then they just naturally start, stop doing things like that.

• 1:04:19Speaker 00

  So, I think there was, real quick, real quick.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  But like, but, but I think there is a little bit of that. Like, I've spoken to younger guys about this. And there was a little bit of a concern about doing some more chivalrous acts. And it coming across as like almost condescending. And so I think there was a hesitation because they're like, oh, I don't want them to think that like they're This helpless little girl that can't do anything. So they pulled back from maybe some of these efforts. Well, we would, we'd call them sugary, but like some of the effort the men did that actually did make you feel good. And now, I don't want to say you're craving it, but it is comforting when you're dating the older guys and they do do it. Maybe.

• 1:04:59Speaker 06

  I have like really, well, I grew up here. So I have like really woke friends and like normal people friends.

• 1:05:06Speaker 06

  No, I'm so serious. Like I have friends who like, if the guy pays on the first date, like she's gonna insist, like she's gonna shove it down their throat like, I'm gonna split, like, no, we should split. I'm never gonna do that because like.

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  Cause you're half Chinese.

• 1:05:22Speaker 06

  I'm half Chinese. It's not in my culture. I had a guy one time, he was like, you know, I think when you're in a relationship, you split every single thing down the middle, even like a cup of coffee. And I looked at him and I go, that's not in my culture, unfortunately.

• 1:05:36Speaker 00

  We drink tea.

• 1:05:39Speaker 00

  Okay. So is that possible though? Is it your generation, the guys are actually trying to do a thing that they think you want, which is to treat you as equals and to get rid of these like gender restrictions. But some of them actually make you feel good. Now you're dating these older guys. Just so you can get that nice comforting feeling of effort and love.

• 1:05:58Speaker 05

  I'm gonna voice something that I do not think is a good thing, but I think is true. Is that there, you get more permission to do those chivalrous things that maybe might come off as like creepy or too forward or like infantilizing you. You get more permission to do that, the hotter you are.

• 1:06:17Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 1:06:18Speaker 05

  I do feel that way. Like if a gross guy hits on you in the grocery store, it's like, get away from me. Or like, or you know, does a protective action. It's like, oh, I didn't fucking need that. But if it's like a six, five, you know, could be the one, you're like, yeah, I, I do need help.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  It feeds into like the fairy tales and all that shit.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, a hundred percent. So I think, yeah, I don't know what the advice there is, but I do observe that happening.

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  I think the advice is there are no rules if.

• 1:06:46Speaker 05

  When you're hot. Yeah.

• 1:06:48Speaker 00

  That goes for women too.

• 1:06:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  So here's a question about the chivalry thing that it became kind of the expectation. It feels like with men, the expectation back in the day was, and this is where it was maybe smart on women's part. Expectation was you cook, you clean, whatever. And now when a woman does those things, that's really thoughtful and we ain't asking for, that's great. Y'all get the chivalry and you're asking for thoughtfulness. Whereas on the other end, if you're doing the things that were expected back then, you were like, that's thoughtful. So can you understand maybe our psychology of like, well, we're being chivalrous, isn't that thoughtful? What is this extra shit?

• 1:07:25Speaker 00

  That's an interesting point. Like maybe we digest it the same way. When a woman would cook clean and do all those things back in the day, the guy was like, well, yeah, I'm working. Like what the hell are you gonna do all day? You better do it. And you're like, hey, no, I'm making this house beautiful for you. And I made this meal beautiful and I went to the market and I got all these, you know, fresh foods. You get delicious meal and you're not even caring about it. And now it's almost reversed.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Now you're like, how dare you expect that? So we don't. And when you do it, we're like, wow.

• 1:07:49Speaker 05

  No, but that, but that is still expected. That is still expected. Women are exhausted from working all day. And then like, you know, when men get married to women, their quality of life improves. They remember to brush their teeth.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  You know, they are taken care of in a way that is just natural. If you're living in my house, yeah, I'm gonna make sure the dishes are done. And like, you know, it's just like, I love you. It's a done deal. I think women are doing both the domestic and labor outside. And then men are considering chivalry as equal to like cooking a crazy Sunday night meal, like that took hours and shopping and an effort. It's like, you need to do more if you're putting those as like the extracurriculars outside of working. The housework is way harder than like stepping to a guy at the bar, I think.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Pushback. It does seem like a lot more couples, there's eating out a lot more, Uber Eats a lot more, restaurants, date nights, cleaning ladies even. So for y'all, it is completely natural to say, I'm working. I'm not trying to do all that. I think in healthier couples that I see, it's very much like, well, yeah, so don't, we'll figure that out. You don't have to do that. That's not expected of you. But it's still us expected of men generally. The chivalry is expected now go above and beyond. Whereas if we, if you were working and cooking and cleaning, a guy was complaining to his dude friends, he might just do it. But a lot of dude friends would be like, shut the fuck up, dude. Your wife works, she cooks, she cleans. Well, you, you're a fucking loser.

• 1:09:06Speaker 06

  I think it's a cultural thing. Sounds pretty good.

• 1:09:10Speaker 06

  Like, think about the households where like Sunday dinners are really important, like Spanish household, Italians, like, I think the where you were raised and like where you come from plays such a huge role into that.

• 1:09:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, it curates the expectations you have for yourself.

• 1:09:25Speaker 06

  Because like, I feel like I love cooking, like, that's something like I enjoy, like, I don't mind cleaning kitchen, but like, you should be carrying the groceries and like, I could go pick them up, I could do whatever, like, I'm gonna leave them in the bottom stairs, you should be carrying them upstairs, like, those are like little things.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  So maybe the pendulum is swinging around a little bit and we have to just come to this, you know, kind of middle ground where you have to state clearly what your expectations are of us, what is the baseline? Well, that's impossible. Then that's your fault. Yeah, yeah, it is. We know what, because I think we know what our expectations are of you guys. We know what is the baseline and we know what makes us feel good when you go a little bit above the baseline. And can you just tell me what the expectations are, just so I know? Because I don't quite know.

• 1:10:05Speaker 06

  It's opposite.

• 1:10:06Speaker 00

  Way the same.

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  No, no, but, you know, I think, I think it's like, I think it's like, it's like hygiene, obviously, in the initial. Like shaved, is that the hygiene? Like, what is the list? I'm curious.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  Smell good.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Smell good. Yeah, maybe it's because I date Indian women, but like, come on.

• 1:10:26Speaker 00

  Jesus.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  What do you mean? Shave.

• 1:10:28Speaker 00

  Hairless.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  You need to be gone.

• 1:10:29Speaker 00

  I thought you were talking about hygiene.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  That shaving, that shaving shit is, come on. That shaving shit is, uh, come on.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Expected.

• 1:10:41Speaker 00

  Yes, I think there are those like baseline, like, okay, just be hot expectations, right? Which sounds like, I guess it even sounds annoying describing it to you guys, but if I don't say it, then I'm not being honest, right? So I think that there is that like, a, a care to look beautiful, I think that that matters, right? And then, just maintain it, it's not like saying you can't fuck and like schlep around the sweats or whatever, that's fun too, but like, it is nice to know that that's something you guys value. Hundred percent, I think like a curiosity and care about us, maybe it's just because we're comedians, but that's important to me, like, me and my wife having conversation, her wanting to know what's going on in my life, like, me taking interest in what's going on in hers, like, those. Really caring and like supporting. The cooking and the cleaning stuff is extra.

• 1:11:25Speaker 00

  It's like an added bonus. But do you care about me? Do you care about what's going on in my life? And do you want to support me in achieving my dreams? That's like selfishly what I would would say. And once you have a kid, everything's out the window and it's different stuff. But before that, it's this feeling of like, okay, you're gonna be my partner? Do you really ride for me? Oh shit, you're really supportive. You see all these things going on. You know, I'm having a hard time with this and you're trying to make it as easy as possible. That's huge.

• 1:11:49Speaker 05

  That's exactly the clip. That's exactly what she wants too. And the sticky note is just like, or a playlist, like it's just a little action that shows, hey, I got you. Hey, I'm thinking about.

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  It seems like not having those creates resentment. Where if my, where I don't know if if a woman didn't cook or clean, if we would resent her for it. I don't know if if it would like, it would be this like uproar on a pod if that clip came out. We were describing that scenario.

• 1:12:15Speaker 06

  But if you didn't have like clean socks and underwear, how would you feel?

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  But this is the thing where I'm just like, I can outsource that to somebody who could make your life easier. You know what I mean? Like, so I'm just, I'm just telling you like where our baselines are. And I feel like our baselines are a little off. And it seems like you guys need a little bit more thoughtfulness than we think you need.

• 1:12:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  For you to not resent us, because we don't want to be resented. That's huge. Because in our minds, a lot of us, we feel like we're going above and beyond. So when you get resentment and you think you're going above and beyond, it creates a real friction. You start resenting. Yeah. Why are you resenting? Like I do all that, like we think we're doing all this where your baseline is actually higher than what we expect of ourselves.

• 1:12:51Speaker 05

  I think that's exactly it.

• 1:12:52Speaker 00

  Our baseline for you is lower. Than what you think. So you're doing.

• 1:12:55Speaker 05

  No, no, it's hard to keep your weight the same and stay shaved.

• 1:12:58Speaker 00

  No, no, listen, listen, listen.

• 1:12:59Speaker 05

  All that stress is hard.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  Because your baseline isn't based on us. Like you said earlier, it's based on your mom. So you're putting your mom's shit on me. I'm not your mom. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't care what your mom said. So I think we need to find that, like, I think we need to work on finding what that baseline is and work on, okay, wow, you went above and beyond and this was really extra. You might, like, fold all the socks and shit. I don't care if they're folded or not. I don't care if they're mixed. I don't care if they're inside out or not. But you might be looking at me like, none of your underwear is inside out.

• 1:13:31Speaker 05

  For you, yeah.

• 1:13:32Speaker 00

  I never looked at my underwear, right side, left side, I don't, yeah.

• 1:13:36Speaker 05

  I think the solution for this, nobody wants the resentment. And I think women are confused when they open their mouth and everything is nagging. I think it's a bad point to get to. I think women should be more comfortable being single and like, like not take out that, that mom or societal pressure on their partner.

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  You guys need to write it down. We need, we need the expectations.

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  But it's also fair, like, we're like, when, when we move in together, we're expecting, we're, we're doing all the cleaning because we want it to be clean.

• 1:14:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Not for them. They don't give a fuck if it's clean. Zach didn't have garbage in his, in his bathroom until I moved in. He would use his washing machine as the hamper.

• 1:14:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  Like, his socks would go from the thing into the drawer with not one thing folded.

• 1:14:20Speaker 00

  Like, you're doing it for us.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  For us, because I'm doing it for myself, not for him. He doesn't give a fuck.

• 1:14:25Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  So that cleaning thing is on me, not him. Okay, because I want the house to be that way.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  So nice, and she's like, I didn't touch it today. I go, who cares? It looks like I can't actually compliment, let's get ahead of it, just. That's good. Right? Yeah.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  At least he wasn't around and Mark didn't have a toothbrush for three days.

• 1:14:40Speaker 03

  Two days, okay? We were shooting a thing, I got one.

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  Son, that's crazy.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  That's disgusting. That's fucking disgusting.

• 1:14:47Speaker 00

  But I think this is a good place to get to. What are your expectations, the baseline expectations of us, right? So that we can understand, we might look at them and be like, you know, I can't do that consistently. It's just really not important to me. And I'll do it a little bit so you feel good, but know that it is not important to me. And the only reason I'm doing it is so you feel good. That's different than you expect me to do it every single time because there's gonna be resentment because of that gap.

• 1:15:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, the, the expectation of mind reading is hard.

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  But, yeah, but like even mind reading, I feel like is part of all this. Like, to get to the point where she's upset that you didn't read her mind, she was upset about 10 things before that.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:15:24Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just learned something. Yeah, she had no motherfucking idea.

• 1:15:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're so right.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  I had no motherfucking idea.

• 1:15:33Speaker 00

  You needed a man to explain it.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  Finally, I'm listening. This man's explaining it worse. Finally, I'm listening.

• 1:15:37Speaker 00

  We need to know what you guys baseline expect from us. And right now, it's more than we thought that you do. And you need to know that what we baseline expect from you is less than what your mom says you should do. Bare minimum. For real.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  It's so easy. Honestly, men are so easy.

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Bare minimum.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:15:52Speaker 00

  Talk it. Can you fucking talk into God?

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Honestly, men are easy. It's like, they want the most basic primal things in life.

• 1:15:59Speaker 00

  Which are?

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  And it hasn't changed in thousands of years. They want you to look good, they want good sex, and they want to be fed, and they want fucking attention.

• 1:16:07Speaker 00

  Yes, we do love that.

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  They want constant love and affection and attention, the way to listen. That's really it. Those little things on top are all extra that we think we have to do for them, but they don't really give a fuck about those little things.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  None of that means anything.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  It's nothing to them.

• 1:16:20Speaker 00

  And peace at home.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  They're simple. They're simple. Yeah, and peace and quiet.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  No, not you. No. No, general women. No, you're doing great. That was awesome.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  That was awesome.

• 1:16:31Speaker 00

  Clip that.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 00

  We're stopping the pod. We're going to do an ad. Thank you so much, ladies. We appreciate it.

• 1:16:41Speaker 00

  Now, let's get back to the show. There's a lot of comedic drama happening in India right now.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:45Speaker 00

  This started popping up on my socials because anytime somebody gets like canceled for a joke abroad especially, I get tagged in like posts that have like lettering I don't understand. And like, it's always something in the translate is like, oh, if you think this is bad. Right? Did you get those as well? It's like, if you think this is bad, watch some shul stuff.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  You gotta come, you gotta save your boy or something. And they added Ranveer Alabadi, who I've mentioned on this podcast. He's like a big podcast.

• 1:17:14Speaker 00

  That's Beer Biceps.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Beer Biceps. He's India's Rogan. And so he's a big deal. And he said like, I only started podcasting because of Joe Rogan. He's a sweet kid.

• 1:17:22Speaker 00

  Respect.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  Helped me get to the Imba wedding.

• 1:17:24Speaker 00

  And you did the pod with him, and that shit blew up.

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  I've done this pod in two episodes. But then there's this other Indian comedian, Samee Raina. Very funny kid. He won like India's version of Last Comic Standing, but it matters over there.

• 1:17:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Joke writer, purist. Like loves to craft. He started the show similar to Kill Tony, but he gives Kill Tony credit.

• 1:17:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  It's a crossover of Kill Tony and India's Got Talent a little bit. It's called India's Got Latent. Latent doesn't matter. It's just like a play on the word talent. But the idea is, is not just comedy. You as a contestant come up, you do a talent.

• 1:17:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Before you do the talent, you rate, you give yourself what score you think you'll get on a one to 10. So if you are self-aware and you're like, I'm a four and we didn't like your act and we give you a four, even if we thought you're a piece of shit and that's why we gave you a four, you could still win. Because your score, it's not about who's the best. It's about who's got the most self-awareness. It's a really clever concept.

• 1:18:15Speaker 00

  I just want to point out one thing like, Tony, before you get upset that somebody has, you know, taken your show, I just want to point something out. This is very serious right here.

• 1:18:26Speaker 00

  India has taken Superman, Batman, every Marvel movie, every huge billion dollar blockbuster movie they've made into Bollywood. And now they're doing it with Kill Tony.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  And he's a fan and he gives Tony credit.

• 1:18:40Speaker 00

  But that's the ultimate sign of respect.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:43Speaker 00

  Where an Indian cultural institution has taken your concept and ran with it.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  My understanding is he's truly like, I can't, these people can't make it to India to do Kill Tony. Let's bring Kill Tony over here. And the show, it goes bonkers. I'm talking like, it's India, but like,

• 1:18:57Speaker 00

  It makes like $3,000 a year.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, no, not dollars.

• 1:19:00Speaker 00

  You deserve royalties on that.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Not dollars, but views 20 million a net. It's like fucking insanely big. It becomes a part of the zeitgeist.

• 1:19:10Speaker 00

  Like the cultural conversation.

• 1:19:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Samay becomes this massive star. He was already a good comic respected, but now he's out of here.

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  One episode they're doing, and just like Kill Tony, he's got his guests who are celebrities. One episode they're doing, Ranveer Alabadi, who's a sweet kid, asks the contestant a hypothetical. Hey, would you rather watch your parents have sex forever or join in to make it stop?

• 1:19:31Speaker 00

  Oof.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Seems like a fun hypothetical. All of a sudden, there's this massive uproar. They're threatened with going to jail, legal issues. It's like getting FIR, I forget what that stands for. But essentially like, we're preparing a legal case against you.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Ranveer's parents, like, people are-

• 1:19:48Speaker 00

  So it's not even some, some-

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  Both are getting threatened, but Ranveer-

• 1:19:52Speaker 00

  He didn't even say the joke.

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:53Speaker 00

  Ranveer said the joke.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  And people who were at the taping said Ranveer, after he said it, checked in on the guy. He's like, "Hey, that didn't hurt your feelings." "Bhurana lega," which is like, "You didn't mind that too much. That wasn't too bad for you, right?" Checks in again after the episode, "Hey, you're okay with that?" The guy's like, "Yeah, it's all good." They keep in the episode. Suddenly, it just becomes this massive case of, "How dare you put something that obscene in entertainment." India has the most violent fucking movies. There's a movie called Animal that came out in 2023. Great movie.

• 1:20:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  It's maybe the most violent movie I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:20:21Speaker 00

  But they're killing Muslims.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  No, no, other Indians, which is a problem. Joking about Muslims is probably okay, but there's also, dude, Indian comics have gone to jail for making jokes about, like, that are adjacent. A Muslim comic going to jail for making jokes is like adjacent to Hinduism, not even really.

• 1:20:36Speaker 00

  So they're going through their comedy struggle, which happens in every country. Like, this happened in America too.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Speaker 00

  I understand things are gonna be inflated there at a different level, and there's probably gonna be more severe actions taken, but like, it's, it's not to say that this isn't a common occurrence historically. Like, there have been American comedians that got arrested for, you know, what is it, the seven deadly words or whatever it is.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Seven words you can't say on television.

• 1:20:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm not, I'm not saying it's not potentially way worse there.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:00Speaker 00

  But what I am saying is, it is common that as comedy pops up in a country, and you start to say things that the, uh, the society or culture does not digest with great frequency.

• 1:21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

  And a lot of those people not really understanding, like, the, the intention is to make people laugh. There is this knee-jerk rebellion, this knee-jerk reaction that's oftentimes negative and punitive.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people who have no idea what stand-up is, and they're, they're getting offended by this, but what, two things are different. One-

• 1:21:26Speaker 00

  And sorry, they don't have free speech as like a court-

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  That is the second difference. First difference is, back then, they're not gonna dox you. There's no internet. You can find out who Lenny Bruce's mom is. Ranveer is like, people are, his mom is a doctor. People are pretending to be patients coming in, and then like threatening and whatever.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Second difference is, there is not a constitutional right to free speech. India's constitution, I'm gonna fuck this up a little bit, but it's essentially like, you have the right to make your speech, and they have the right to get offended, and then we can kick it up to legal- Battle and see what's gonna happen. It seems like legally, they're gonna side against the comics and say, "The reaction toward them is not okay. You can't take violent action on your own." "But they, these people should be censored." So that is where it's, I'm not gonna speak ill of the Indian government because I'm terrified of them. Whatever they, God bless. Yeah, absolutely. Whatever fear you have about Candace Owens, 100x. So, yeah, guys, hey, no ill will here. That's not a knock on you Candace.

• 1:22:24Speaker 00

  Listen, we have a lot of fear and we wanna make sure that you keep on doing the great work that you're doing about the Baldoni case and also about Macron. Anyway, back to this shit.

• 1:22:31Speaker 01

  Well, what I will say is freedom of speech is not a real thing in India. They don't, it doesn't exist like that. So if you are a comedian, that's a real fucking issue. I don't know any solution other than get the fuck out. Because this, they're gonna pass a law, and I don't know if this is anything, I'm not speculating at all, but, you know, keep my family safe. But they're gonna eventually pass a law that is, you don't have, you don't get to say what you want. As a comic, we get to dictate what you.

• 1:22:55Mark Gagnon?

  What was the answer to the hypothetical?

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  I don't remember, but I think it was the same answer.

• 1:22:59Speaker 00

  You get back in there, right? You were in there once.

• 1:23:03Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? You go home. You go home. You go home, you end it, and then you're gonna watch them forever?

• 1:23:09Mark Gagnon?

  I think you get desensitized after.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Um, yeah.

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  I didn't say about that.

• 1:23:15Mark Gagnon?

  Dad, move again, come on, man. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, yeah, I don't know.

• 1:23:20Speaker 00

  Watch it forever, does that mean like every night that you go home, they're doing it? Or do you have to sit in the room forever? Cause I couldn't sit in the room forever.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Sitting in the room forever is not fair. You gotta watch it once a day for the rest of your life. Nah, we could do that.

• 1:23:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I think I go that.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Absolutely. That's, to me, that's the worst part of the hypothetical, we all have the same answer.

• 1:23:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Plus, my dad got a bigger dick than me and shit, like, come on, I can't get involved.

• 1:23:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, you'd rather watch your dad.

• 1:23:42Speaker 00

  You worried about not pleasing your mom?

• 1:23:47Speaker 00

  Bro, disappoint your parents again?

• 1:23:48Mark Gagnon?

  I know, bro, shit.

• 1:23:50Speaker 00

  Oh, that sucks.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what's funny to me, because I hear, we hear this on fucking public radio in America, and there it's unbelievable. How could you?

• 1:23:58Speaker 00

  So they're taking it seriously. They're taking the hypothetical 100% seriously. They're not seeing that both situations are awful and vulgar and obscene, and the reaction- Their have is right like yes, it's awful vulgar and obscene. That's why I'm asking it because you have to choose between these two things that are horrendous. And you wouldn't want to do either one of them.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  No, it seems like the Indian free speech law in the constitution imposes restrictions on certain things like defamation, security of state, but also decency and morality. So now you have like morality police basically saying, hey, this violates the Indian law of.

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  So yeah, to be honest, any law the government passes is not unconstitutional. Whereas here it'd be unconstitutional. It is a direct violation of the constitution that is freedom of speech. It's pretty absolute there to not absolute. So if the government passes a law, it's on y'all for voting for. Like there's the government didn't do.

• 1:24:46Speaker 00

  And this is the perfect thing for them to step in on because there are very few people that are not comedy fans that would be supporting questions like, would you fuck your mom? So that your dad would stop fucking her every day in front of you.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:58Speaker 00

  Like they'd be like, we don't need this. They don't realize the trickle down effect of that.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:02Speaker 00

  Right? So it's a very easy thing to get on board with if you're not a comedy fan. It's yeah, it's designed kind of brilliantly by the government. If you think about it.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:12Speaker 00

  Cause I'm sure there's been plenty of other jokes that have caused an uproar.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Speaker 00

  I mean, you've told me this before, there have been comedians that got in trouble. Even Veer, when he came on here, didn't he get in trouble with something?

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  He wrote a thing called two Indians. It's like more serious, but if he got in trouble for that, he got the FIR thrown at him to threaten him illegal action like. And when people ask you, Indians ask, why don't you do a tour here? I hate that because I feel like I'm letting them down, but like it ain't worth it. The risk reward is just not in my favor. So no, I'll do a pop up show, maybe like pop into a spot even, but I'm not. I don't want people there policing and looking for whatever, you know what I mean?

• 1:25:43Speaker 00

  But the concern is not your life. The concern is your family.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  My family's life.

• 1:25:48Speaker 00

  Right? Because you could do a show and then it's going to be like an international dust up.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Speaker 00

  But they're not going to arrest an American comedian that's going over there. It's going to make them look bad. Now Trump gets involved, you know, you know, that's the homie.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, true, true, true.

• 1:26:01Speaker 00

  So Trump's not going to let an American.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  Doing something that is core to our values.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:07Speaker 00

  Right? Go over there, get arrested and get locked up.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:10Speaker 00

  But he can't protect your cousins, your uncles and all these other people.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:26:14Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 1:26:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, they kicked Vivek out of there pretty quick. I don't know how much they come into his defense to be honest with you.

• 1:26:20Speaker 00

  That's a good ass point, bro.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I'm writing on him. If it's America versus India, we'll win. I'm American to Indians. I'm American to them. Yo, clip it. And I'm American to them if India's got a problem with me. Then I'm American to Americans. Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:26:37Speaker 00

  It's interesting to see the international reaction to Trump, though. Like, Trump has all these international fans. And I wonder if, like, some of the things that they believe that he's fighting against here, they hope that their government officials would fight against. Like, corruption is not a thing unique to America in any way.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:26:57Speaker 00

  Right? Institutional distrust is not unique to America. So when you brand around this idea of like, hey, we're taking down these corrupt institutions.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:05Speaker 00

  You know, we're taking down these corrupt politicians. We're draining the swamp. Like, shit, every country out there is like, yeah, why don't you drain this swamp? That's the reason I'm broke, because that swamp is so fucking big. So...

• 1:27:15Speaker 03

  Bro, speaking of Trump and India, did you see him talk this before? This is one of the all-time...

• 1:27:20Speaker 00

  This shit is so good.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  He's just a clip machine and never related to him.

• 1:27:23Speaker 08

  Do you think that should continue here in the US as well? You're gonna have to go louder. Mr. President, people in India would be welcoming your decision to extradite the huburana to... I can't understand a word he's saying.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  You see? It's not just me. Now, I had huburana.

• 1:27:38Speaker 00

  So, so, this is an interesting... I want to get back to the side that, like, this is an interesting thing that I've noticed with Trump. It's like, people always say this, especially liberals often say this. They're like, why the fuck do working-class people relate to this guy? He's a billionaire. And I think an interesting thing with Trump is that, like, billionaires don't really relate to him.

• 1:28:03Speaker 00

  He talks working class.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  Ah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:06Speaker 00

  Right? Like, that's a working-class thing to say. Like, a billionaire polished person would be like, would you mind repeating yourself? Like, because he understands the repercussions of saying some shit like that. But a dude that works at the plant, and some Indian guy's asking him a question, is like, yo, can someone translate the English to English? I have no fucking clue what's going on. And that relatability allows him to connect to those people, which financially, he's not connected with at all.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yep.

• 1:28:31Speaker 00

  I was talking to the reporter that we had on, was it last week or two weeks ago?

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:35Speaker 00

  That he was here, just about that. And it was like, we had that conversation about, like, why can, like, what is the fundamental issue? Like, what is the issue with the Democrats? And we were talking out in the hallway, and it was like, Republicans, and not all of them at all, but like, Trump feels like he can hang.

• 1:28:54Speaker 00

  He feels like you could talk to him and you're not like worried about what you say.

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  With Democrats, if it was a private room and nobody's around, then we had fucking Tim Walz in here. We got fucking Buttigieg or something like one of these guys like, yeah, we could hang. We could say whatever and it doesn't really matter. But the second the cameras go on, they're like, ugh, if I mention the pronouns thing is a little bit absurd. Am I gonna get blowback? And they don't know where the line is. I think Mark, you said something like that. They just don't know where it is. And when you don't know where the line is, you speak in this like unrelatable way.

• 1:29:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:27Speaker 00

  Right? And that is something that Democrats are gonna have to figure out. You have to figure out how to just speak freely and relate to normal people. And you can't do that when you don't even know where your line is.

• 1:29:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I figure it's they just have too many donors that have special interests. And it's like, ooh, if I say this one thing, I'm gonna piss off this donor.

• 1:29:44Speaker 00

  But also, and I think, I think you catch Republicans with that, especially with like the gun stuff.

• 1:29:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:50Speaker 00

  But there's a little bit more like, and it's, it's gonna get obviously too far and be annoying on the Republican side as well. But there's a little bit more freedom to be like, ah, shut up with that kind of nonsense. Ah, you're being ridiculous.

• 1:29:59Mark Gagnon?

  And it, yeah.

• 1:30:00Speaker 00

  Whereas like, Democrats are like, yeah, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna piss off the identity politics people. I'm gonna piss off these people, I'm gonna piss off those people. You're constantly concerned about the piss off. And he doesn't seem that concerned about pissing people off, which is refreshing.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  Hmm. He's also an easier spot, like right wing people in general are able to just be like, hey, let's just go back. We're conservative, well, let's not change shit. Whereas liberal people have to be like, all right, what are we changing? What are we pushing forward as policy? And what are the new lines?

• 1:30:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Speaker 03

  They're literally trying to find new lines so they don't really have a, a sort of cognitive view of what the lines are.

• 1:30:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, like when your party is wrapped around progress, you have to continue to progress. And sometimes you maybe progress too far. Like NATO's job is to expand.

• 1:30:44Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? Like, if you work in a NATO, they're like, all right, where, where, where else can we get NATO? And then maybe you go too far. And then maybe there's a war that none of us wanna be a part of.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  If the ACLU is like, ah, shit's pretty good, they're done. It's a wrap, we don't need you anymore.

• 1:30:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. But you do need progressives.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:00Speaker 00

  Cause you need to get to a point where they're not fucking lighting gay people on.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:04Speaker 00

  So it's it's that, yeah, it's that unfortunate pendulum swing and they need to find a way to be progressive without alienating the majority. Cause I feel like in their efforts to embrace minorities and embrace the people who don't really have a voice. They've kind of alienated the working class, which is the majority of people in the country. So they need to figure that shit out and that shit, that shit ain't easy. It's not as easy as going to get the pronouns out of here.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:29Speaker 00

  Like, that's a tough.

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  It's the class issue that they're like tiptoeing around.

• 1:31:33Speaker 00

  What you mean?

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  Like, they don't want to acknowledge the class issue and like try to go with like billionaires the way Bernie did.

• 1:31:38Speaker 00

  Oh, because they're in bed with the billionaires.

• 1:31:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:40Speaker 00

  Oh, wait, the Democrats or the Republicans?

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  Democrats, like, I mean, kind of everyone, but like Democrats, like in America are like kind of right in comparison to the rest of the world. So like they're tiptoeing around the class issue and going at like all the, you know, like pop culture shit.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, Republicans being in bed with billionaires doesn't surprise us. It's in line with. They're the party for the rich.

• 1:31:59Speaker 00

  But that is a great point. Like if they made their cause about the wealth gap and then let all the other stuff kind of go to the side. I'm not saying we just fucking ignore what gay people, whatever. I'm not saying ignore, but if they made the core identity of it Bernie, which was, hey, you got these institutions that are taking advantage of you and you got these rich people that are taking advantage of you. I think that the average working class person could kind of look the other way about some pronoun shit.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  You know?

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:27Speaker 00

  But because like you said, they're afraid to address it. They gotta lock into these other things that unfortunately for those people, the rest of America really doesn't care about. At the same level that they care about the wealth inequality.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  I mean, frankly, it's a bigger issue that affects more people.

• 1:32:41Speaker 00

  It is.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  They just.

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  And Republicans are the party of the rich and a lot of them think, oh, I'm going to be rich too one day.

• 1:32:47Speaker 00

  That's America. Every American thinks they're going to be a millionaire. Okay. So then what happens in India? What happens with these guys? Like?

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  So they've already taken down all the episodes. Like that show is off the air. It's not, I tried to look up how many views there were.

• 1:32:58Speaker 03

  They took it down or the?

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  I think, I think those, they were like, the, the government was like, take down all the episodes and they were like, we will comply. I don't know for a fact, but that's, it seems like what it is based on reading. Like somebody put, sorry, they both apologized. I wasn't trying to offend anybody. I wasn't whatever. Which was like, again, in America, you don't have to do that. I think in India, you have to fucking do that. So I don't know. I just tweeted it before I even knew what was happening. I was like, I don't give a fuck what Ranveer said. I know him. I like him as family. I'm riding with him. Then I said something else and somebody was like, somebody should be fined every time they cuss. This is up my dick, you dumbass motherfucker. Which I thought was a joke. These tweets made it to the Times of India. Because here, you could just stand up for those guys. There, you cannot. Nobody's saying anything.

• 1:33:41Speaker 03

  Oh, your tweets made it.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  My tweets, their whole article, Indian comedian who interviewed Trump.

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  Yo, you need to chill the fuck out.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  But yeah, but again, I can stand, I'm not going to criticize the government. I just know I can stand on what comedy is and what free speech is. That I'm comfortable, I'm confident in that. The government, theoretically, if they do pass this law, they're not doing anything unconstitutional. So as much as I'm afraid of them, I wouldn't even say what you're doing is XYZ, because that is the Constitution. They are within their, I can't call it some gross misuse of power. The Constitution was written, cuck.

• 1:34:11Speaker 03

  It's also fascinating how native freedom of speech is and like expression is in America. That like even seeing the response from like Indian like Twitter users being like, oh, this is disgusting. Like this dude, this guy's a creep. He's issuing this apology. It was deliberate act in full consciousness. Like,

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Keep in mind marital rape is legal in India. You can't rape your wife in India. Impossible for that to be illegal. A hypothetical about fucking somebody.

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  That's illegal.

• 1:34:36Speaker 03

  What is this word? Sanskar?

• 1:34:37Speaker 01

  Sanskar is, I think, traditions.

• 1:34:40Speaker 03

  So decency, culture, traditions are not his forte?

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:43Speaker 03

  So basically people saying you're violating what it means to be Indian, which is like decency and respect.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  Wow. Yeah.

• 1:34:49Speaker 03

  But then you gotta wonder, like, is the way America does shit, like freedom of expression in America, is that applicable to all people? Is that inalienable and human? Or is that just a cultural thing?

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  That's a cultural thing.

• 1:34:59Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, so at a certain point, as Americans, do you look at this and go, oh, if that's what works for them?

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:04Speaker 00

  Or should we stand up for freedom of speech?

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  That is the issue.

• 1:35:08Speaker 00

  The age old question, man.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  I think we are often, I was like, freedom of speech is under attack in India. It doesn't exist.

• 1:35:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  It's such a crazy notion that we are in a country like cancer, cancel culture is like, people fucking use it to make money, I think here a lot, and it's a little annoying. There it is truly, your life is in jeopardy. We'll throw you in jail, we'll fuck, we'll take everything from everyone you love. Don't fuck around.

• 1:35:31Speaker 00

  Is this one of those things where we're projecting our values in the same way that we're like, yo, you gotta let women drive in the Middle East or whatever, just because we let them drive here. So now we're projecting our values on them and we believe that free speech is a good, righteous, kind thing that human beings should have. And over there, they're like, we have way less accidents, man. What the fuck?

• 1:35:53Speaker 00

  But it is the same, like, what is it like, intellectual imperialism? If you will, like, we're not over there boots on the grounds, but we're basically shaming you if you don't get American with your shit. At the same time, as a comedian, I'm like, I want comedians to be able to say way crazier jokes than that.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  I'm gonna support every Indian comic saying whatever. That's just a fundamental thing for me as an American who is a comic.

• 1:36:15Speaker 00

  And the government over there is like, that's cute.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:17Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  That's not the way our constitution is written. So what do you want to do?

• 1:36:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, comedy isn't even part of their like identities and nation. Like comedy is an American art form. I can't imagine America, I can't imagine like American cultural institutions without comedy. And a restriction on that, we reject almost instinctually.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  It's like, yeah, it was a viscerally, it makes me sick.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  But this is some new shit over there.

• 1:36:43Speaker 01

  It's like comedies, literally, I've done comedy longer than the country of India. It started, I think, December 2009. They like know exactly when it started, it's brand new to them. I started 2007.

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  I wonder if it's like, if, if they were like, you know, breakdancing is vulgar. And we'd be like, what are you talking, it's not, it's just dancing. They're like, no, we outlawing that shit.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 00

  You know, like, that's how new it is.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:04Speaker 00

  To them, you know, so they're like, we can do without breakdancing. We've been here for 5,000 years and there was no fucking breakdancing. We'll be fine without it.

• 1:37:10Speaker 03

  And we're also like taken off guard by this because we're like, there's no way that could happen here.

• 1:37:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:14Speaker 03

  But there, you almost have to wonder, like, did they know, right? Like, I don't think that's what happened in this case, but like, let's say there's a comedian that's warned two times. Like, hey, the jokes are saying you're gonna get put in jail. And then he says it a third time. Is, is all of a sudden, is our empathy for their, you know, restriction of freedom of speech the same? Because it's like, yo, you understood what the consequences.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  He was, this, and this is why, sorry, the other thing, people are like, they're making an example of him. Maybe they are, I don't know. To me, it's weird because if they were doing that, he's been fairly, the criticism I hear a lot about Ranveer is he's very like, the government's whatever. Like, he does, he's pro-government, pro, like, he's up their ass when people criticize him. So for them to make him the example, I'm like, well, that doesn't even add up to me.

• 1:37:55Speaker 00

  Well, is there any?

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  Could be possible, but it just doesn't add up to me.

• 1:37:57Speaker 00

  Is there any, you said he's the Rogan of India, right?

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:00Speaker 00

  Is there any version where they're looking at America? And, all right, let me, let me bring it back. You know how like China locked up their tech CEOs?

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:09Speaker 00

  And I imagine they looked at America and maybe other countries and they saw that the power, the power that these like tech CEOs had.

• 1:38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:17Speaker 00

  And their ability to influence culture, laws, like, and they went, you know what? I don't know if we wanna, I think we need to send a message to these tech CEOs in China that they still work for us.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:28Speaker 00

  And that we make the real decisions. So you lock them in a basement for a month and then you let them out and then they can continue doing their stuff, but now they know. If you're saying that, that he's the, the Rogan of India, I wonder if this is just a message like, yo, you're not bigger than the system.

• 1:38:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:41Speaker 00

  And we're gonna let you know right now, you're not bigger, even though you've been good, even though you, as you're saying, the criticism, he's been up their ass. It's just another reminder. Whereas with Rogan, you can't do that here.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:52Speaker 00

  You can't, they've tried, CNN have tried to like shame him, all these different publications have tried to shame Rogan, but like, at the end of the day, the American people are gonna ride with the, with the guy that they feel is giving them the truth.

• 1:39:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:03Speaker 00

  And not the rhetoric.

• 1:39:04Speaker 01

  To your point, they could be, and what the theory, conspiracy theory. They're saying whether they're right or wrong, I'm not gonna say, but conspiracy theories are saying, well, they're they're the law they're trying to pass is about online content and being able to censor that. Which would be to your point, all online content, we can't control.

• 1:39:21Speaker 00

  If I'm another country.

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  We can't control, we need to figure that out. Let's pass a law.

• 1:39:24Speaker 00

  I mean, look, if you.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  Sorry, theoretically, let's use the guy that's been sympathetic to us. So they know, like, it doesn't seem like a hit piece, or it doesn't seem like we're making an example of him and sacrificing him, even though we might be. Nobody's gonna say that because they're gonna say, oh, this guy's pro-government. So they're just really believing this bill.

• 1:39:39Speaker 00

  But he's sympathetic now. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta have some control, right? You never know. And also, he might be sympathetic to the government, but he might be also sympathetic to the Ambanis, or another very powerful family. And maybe that's the government going like, hey, we don't, yeah, yeah, we're daddy, and you got to abide by this because putting too much power in one person. Have you, as you've noticed with, in America, like, Joe has the influence, you know, he can sway elections, he can sway culture, even before the election. He can move culture in a way that will affect the election. The election's downstream.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:14Speaker 00

  So, wow, yeah. I wonder what happens in those rooms. Like, how crazy is it that comedy is at this level where the government needs to potentially step in?

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 00

  And apply punitive measures to scare people into relinquishing their power and influence.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:33Speaker 00

  That's a crazy, what a time to be on comedy.

• 1:40:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:36Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, fuck, yeah. It's a scary thing, man.

• 1:40:40Mark Gagnon?

  But every institution has a version of that, because it's like, there's words we don't say on here, because we know the platform we put it on. Even though we want to say the joke, we won't do it because we know we can potentially get.

• 1:40:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, we bleep it. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a really good point.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  It's not the government coming down.

• 1:40:56Mark Gagnon?

  That's true, but Google. You know, government has their hand.

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:41:00Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, you know, what's allowed and we don't like these words being said. I can see that happening.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just think the leash is a lot shorter over there and I just, I have to ride for comedy and the ability to do comedy. Otherwise, it's gonna, me telling every comic in India, well, you just need to leave. Get a fucking Sikh asylum. Get a visa. Go to what you love somewhere else.

• 1:41:18Speaker 00

  So where is Samay? Why don't we get him on a pod?

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  I would love to try to. He's actually, I was trying to get him, he's doing shows in Canada right now. I talked to him. He's holding up okay. But he's like a single entry visa, so we gotta be able to figure out how to get him back here. But I would love to have him on. I don't know what he's gonna be willing to say, but I would love to talk to him. I would love to, because I'm safe in America, I would love to bring light to this issue. I can understand why bigger comics in India are staying silent. But me in America, without trying to make too many enemies, I would like to have some conversation. And maybe he's just asking a bunch of hypotheticals and, you know, having fun and he can't answer them. And that's kind of fun.

• 1:41:53Speaker 00

  That's, yeah, that's the tricky thing when it starts to affect your family.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:57Speaker 00

  Like, most of us are willing to take it on.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:00Speaker 00

  You take on the criticism and in America is different. It's online criticism, people making comments or saying stupid shit.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Speaker 00

  It's like they're saying death threats, but it's like, okay, whatever. But when they pull up to your mom's job.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you're not worried about that? Like, your tweets are getting picked up in the Times over there. You have family back there.

• 1:42:17Speaker 00

  You know how many things there are?

• 1:42:19Mark Gagnon?

  I mean.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  That's true. And they're probably.

• 1:42:20Speaker 00

  They can tell apart.

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  No, they can't. They all think I'm Punjabi.

• 1:42:24Speaker 00

  Let them.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. But yeah, I guess to me, it's like, it's not anti-government. What I'm saying is just pro being able to make jokes. And I guess to me, I hope that people can make that distinction of like, I'm gonna defend comedy. I'm a comic. Unequivocally, this is what I will do. I don't know that they will, but like, I'm not going at the government. I would never do something that fucking crazy. I mean, I fear them. So, there you go.

• 1:42:48Mark Gagnon?

  Gotcha.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  That's on record, everybody. Government, I'm afraid of you. I want no smoke.

• 1:42:53Speaker 00

  It was, it was, uh, like, I remember when we were in Russia. And there was like part of me that was like really enticed by like doing. Now, I don't have family in Russia, so it's fine. And I'm like, what's the international incident that's gonna come from that? Like, it's not gonna be a fucking, I'm no bargaining chip or whatever. But at least it's in your brain.

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:08Speaker 00

  And it feels a little bit more. Exciting because the stakes are higher.

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:14Speaker 00

  You know, any joke feels more exciting, even when we were in the Middle East, like doing those jokes felt a little bit more exciting.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:23Speaker 00

  Because of the, the cost. But at the end of the day, I get to go, yeah, all my families don't, I don't have any family in Russia. I have no family in the Middle East. Like, I'm not concerned about anything happening to them. And the worst thing that happens is like, I get arrested. And then it's this international news story and then I get to come back home. Like, that's the worst thing that's gonna happen.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:40Speaker 00

  You know?

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. The family thing is crazy. I mean, this is like what North Korea has on all their people. You know, it's like, yo, you can try to run, but like, we know where your dad works. We know where your cousin is, like.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:54Speaker 03

  So you can be a martyr, but you want your whole family to die?

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  They didn't sign up for this. I actually, an Indian comic said that to me. His wife was getting sued. He was getting sued. I won't say he was, just because it's not worth it probably, but he was like, they didn't sign up for this. That's the thing that fucks me up. And that's, he's like, I'm probably gonna leave. Cause I understood what I was signing up for. They didn't.

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  This person just fell in love with me. That's their crime?

• 1:44:16Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  And I can't do that to them.

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  Man, that sucks. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Somebody, we'd love to have you on, dude. We'll try to figure it out.

• 1:44:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, as long as you're alive, because they've killed Indians in Canada.

• 1:44:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The government will send you over. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:32Speaker 00

  They'll send like a hitman out after them.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:44:35Speaker 00

  Imagine he got killed because of your tweets?

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  I made him immortal. I made him immortal.

• 1:44:43Speaker 00

  Actually, no, he'll come back. That's the other thing. Like, yo, why am I stressing so much about your mom getting killed?

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:44:49Speaker 00

  Like, do you believe it or not?

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  Well, then I lose her this lifetime. I'm not worried about her soul. I'm selfishly like, I'm a misser.

• 1:44:55Speaker 00

  But I'm also like, if you're the government, if you're like killing-

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  Somebody ain't married. He could go.

• 1:44:59Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:45:02Speaker 01

  Who cares?

• 1:45:03Speaker 00

  I'm saying like, if you're the government, just killing somebody, you know that they're gonna come back as like a fish or whatever, like it's gonna, they'll do something.

• 1:45:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:11Speaker 00

  So it's really not a good punishment. Keeping them alive and making them watch their parents have sex every single day. Seems like a way better punishment.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  That is a fair law. Yeah, you gotta deal with whatever your words were. Yeah.

• 1:45:24Speaker 00

  Did any of y'all watch the sad ass NBA All-Star game?

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  Dog, I didn't even, this is, I think the NBA is in trouble. I didn't even know it was All-Star Weekend. I forgot, completely forgot until I checked Twitter. It was apparently horrible.

• 1:45:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I tried to tune in Sunday. It was really.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  So what was the format? It was, my understandings, it was instead of two teams, East and West, it was four teams, and then a tournament. One of the teams is the rising stars, and then the other ones Chuck, Shaq, and Kenny picked their own teams, and then they played.

• 1:45:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it was like the OGs, so the older All-Stars, then the younger All-Stars, then the rising stars, and then there's like the foreigner team. So they put like all the Djokaviches and all that type of shit on. And then it was just first of forty, and then.

• 1:46:08Speaker 00

  And then they played the H1B visa team?

• 1:46:10Speaker 03

  That's far.

• 1:46:11Speaker 00

  Why was the All-Star Game exciting when we were younger?

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:46:15Speaker 00

  And here's another question, was it?

• 1:46:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  I remember watching it 2001, and I remember they, it was like kinda boring at first, and they said these guys are gonna start trying in the fourth quarter, and it was awesome in the fourth quarter. When they really started trying?

• 1:46:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  And I don't remember them ever trying since then. Oh, Jordan and Kobe in like 2003.

• 1:46:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  I remember that.

• 1:46:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think they were getting paid enough money. I mean, now you're getting paid so much money, you're like, I'm not gonna risk getting injured for nothing.

• 1:46:39Speaker 00

  That's a great point. It's an inconvenience.

• 1:46:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. Whereas back then, you're like, I'm playing for honor. Like, I'm Kobe, I'm gonna show everyone I'm Mamba, and so he like would go off.

• 1:46:48Mark Gagnon?

  And they would really showboat for the first three quarters, and then the last one they're playing.

• 1:46:53Speaker 00

  And now it feels like they don't even care?

• 1:46:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's like no defense, it's slow lobs, it's just like, it's like shit.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  I used to be more excited for that than Super Bowl Sunday.

• 1:47:01Mark Gagnon?

  And then.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  And now I'm like, I didn't even, I didn't even know.

• 1:47:04Mark Gagnon?

  LeBron fucked up the dunk contest, cuz the year, the years that we wanted him in it, he's like, nah, it's too risky for my body. So then all superstars stopped doing the dunk contest.

• 1:47:13Speaker 00

  And now we got a white guy winning.

• 1:47:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. Mac McClung's fire, though.

• 1:47:17Speaker 00

  Nah, he is fire. Shout out, Mac. But like, that is a tricky thing. So the, the superstars stopped doing the dunk contest. So now we have less interest in that.

• 1:47:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:47:27Speaker 00

  The superstars aren't even playing their hardest, and some of them don't even play. LeBron tapped out.

• 1:47:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:33Speaker 00

  Like an hour or two before.

• 1:47:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  Which Stephen A. called out, and I love LeBron, but I agree with Stephen A. here is like, you could have just not played and given someone else a spot.

• 1:47:43Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:47:44Speaker 01

  Why would you wait so long? Play or don't?

• 1:47:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, but he wants that little byline.

• 1:47:48Speaker 00

  19 time, 20 time All-Star.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. So how do they?

• 1:47:52Speaker 03

  Russell, what would you do if you're advising like Wemby or you're advising?

• 1:47:56Speaker 00

  Say, don't play hard.

• 1:47:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, right?

• 1:47:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:47:58Speaker 00

  I have a contract that is guaranteeing you 350 million dollars.

• 1:48:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:48:03Speaker 00

  I don't want you playing in a, I don't let you play back to backs.

• 1:48:06Speaker 03

  You're not allowed to go skiing.

• 1:48:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:48:07Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, I'm not gonna let you play basketball hard, like for nothing. It's crazy.

• 1:48:12Speaker 00

  No benefits to my team at all. Yeah, they're in a tricky situation. I mean, you saw it happen with the NFL All-Star game. That shit is flag football.

• 1:48:21Speaker 03

  I didn't know they did that.

• 1:48:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, the, uh, yeah, exactly.

• 1:48:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:24Speaker 00

  It's trash. Nobody watches it.

• 1:48:26Speaker 01

  Actually, it would still get big ratings, which is crazy.

• 1:48:28Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:48:28Speaker 01

  That makes no sense. It would still get pretty, it would still get bigger ratings than every other sport.

• 1:48:32Speaker 00

  I thought it was such a problem that they had to move it to the week after or something like that.

• 1:48:37Speaker 01

  Between the Super Bowls and, or between the championship and Super Bowl. Ratings weren't great relative to NFL games, but they were still shockingly high.

• 1:48:44Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  Relative to other sporting events.

• 1:48:45Speaker 00

  Fair enough.

• 1:48:45Speaker 03

  I like the celebrity game.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  It was embarrassing.

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  Celebrity game more than anything is I'm like, I gotta see Kevin Hart play.

• 1:48:50Speaker 01

  Cause you're trying.

• 1:48:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, they're trying. They have a little ego about it and you get to see people play that you would never imagine playing.

• 1:48:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, that, that's, that like, they tried to change it by making it like first to an X amount of points because then there's a cap and people start to play defense to be like, well, you're not gonna get closer than me to the, they were attempting to make the game more competitive.

• 1:49:08Speaker 00

  All right, I got you.

• 1:49:09Speaker 07

  Which it was.

• 1:49:09Speaker 00

  I know how to do it. I think I could save this shit.

• 1:49:15Speaker 00

  For one year, I could save it. I don't know if it goes past one year, but what do NBA vets, what do like retired NBA players always say? Oh, back in my day with the hand checking rules, whatever, I would have scored 30 if it was like this, or I would have done whatever. You, you make the game, the current All-Stars versus retired All-Stars. Okay? And you give the retired All-Stars some sort of like cushion, some sort of lead, whatever, and. Now you're playing for pride. Now, all those guys that were talking all that shit on ESPN all year, how they would lock up Steph, or what they would do to this person, what they would do to that. Maybe you even switch it to like the old rules where hand checking is allowed,

• 1:49:59Speaker 00

  or like you allow them to play the defense of their time. I don't know. You need to create rivalry that we want to see. I want to see Kendrick Perkins talking all that shit about fucking Wemby and then have to guard him.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Problem is they're all so out of shit. Not all, so many of them get so out of shit.

• 1:50:13Speaker 00

  But they knew. They knew, all you gotta do is come up for one game.

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:19Speaker 00

  You know, you just need something else.

• 1:50:21Speaker 03

  Or make them golf. Like, what if you had like Jordan versus Steph? Like golf tournament?

• 1:50:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, so basically, don't, don't do the sport.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, you guys are gonna get injured on, like, you can play golf, no one's really gonna get hurt, but I'm gonna see two people go at it.

• 1:50:34Speaker 00

  I mean, that would work. People would tap in.

• 1:50:36Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  I remember they played a horse one time. They've been trying.

• 1:50:39Speaker 07

  What if you did like, G League stuff, and if you win, you get in the league or something, contract?

• 1:50:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I think, I think the only problem with that is that you don't have the stars, and the stars are what make it exciting, you know, like.

• 1:50:51Speaker 03

  That's fair.

• 1:50:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's just, how do you do it? Or do you just, do you just write it off? Do you do no game and just do challenges and, ugh, I don't know?

• 1:51:00Mark Gagnon?

  Dunk contest, they should just fuck it. If no, if no superstars want to do it, open it up to everybody on the internet, because there's some crazy like,

• 1:51:07Speaker 01

  That would be sick.

• 1:51:08Mark Gagnon?

  IG dunkers that would be nuts.

• 1:51:10Speaker 03

  They just dunk.

• 1:51:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, and just do that.

• 1:51:12Speaker 00

  That is the, that is the problem. The non-NBA dunkers are better than the NBA dunkers. So we're watching.

• 1:51:18Mark Gagnon?

  Just open that shit up to the best.

• 1:51:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're watching it. We're supposed to be watching the best of the best this weekend, and we're watching worse dunkers in the dunk contest.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  And I would say, well, we don't know who they are. I don't know any of the dunkers, really. They're all rookies or second year guys. I haven't heard them. I've heard their name, but I don't know about them.

• 1:51:34Mark Gagnon?

  And who's that guy that does like, all the crazy trick shots online?

• 1:51:37Speaker 00

  Yo, um, uh, oh, god, uh.

• 1:51:40Speaker 01

  Lethal shooter?

• 1:51:41Speaker 00

  Lethal shooter. Lethal shooter, shout out Lethal shooter.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  That's another thing. I'm such a fan of his.

• 1:51:44Speaker 00

  Yo, mix it up. Put it for the, for the non, like, game games.

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:48Speaker 00

  Put people who are not NBA players up against NBA players, but they gotta be nice.

• 1:51:52Speaker 01

  Three-point shooting contest, Steph and Lethal shooter? Get out, dog. That's crazy. I gotta see that. I figured it out now.

• 1:51:59Speaker 00

  I figured it out. I figured it out. No, that's fire.

• 1:52:01Speaker 03

  And then give them a tender. Like if he beats Steph, you get a tendon.

• 1:52:05Speaker 00

  You know, if he needs that.

• 1:52:06Mark Gagnon?

  You don't even need that.

• 1:52:07Speaker 00

  No, that's fine. Bro, you beat all the NBA guys in the three-point contest, and you only need one guy to make it into the finals.

• 1:52:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:13Speaker 00

  And now you got the NBA players actually giving an effort because they want to prove they're the best. You gotta tap into their competitive instinct a little bit. Steph not letting some guy not in the league beat him.

• 1:52:23Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 1:52:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:24Speaker 00

  Oh, and if they do the shit talk that you get for the whole year?

• 1:52:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:28Speaker 00

  And then the next year, the NBA is like, all right, no, we're gonna get this. We're gonna get, we're gonna get it back. We're gonna prove we're the best.

• 1:52:32Speaker 03

  I was interested when Steph shot against the girl, I've heard her name.

• 1:52:35Speaker 00

  Sabrina INSQ.

• 1:52:36Speaker 03

  Oh, INSQ. Like, that piqued my interest. Cause I was like, oh, yeah, I wonder how that would actually go.

• 1:52:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:41Mark Gagnon?

  And then with NFL, I think the Pro Bowl, you should put it the week before the season starts. Get like, all the best players to start the season off. Like, just create the excitement for the new NFL season. Because they put it after the Super Bowl, and the, after the Super Bowl.

• 1:52:58Speaker 00

  It's like, we're done.

• 1:52:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's like.

• 1:53:00Speaker 00

  You train camp to get in shape, get their bodies primed to whatever for contact. The NFL is just so tricky because these motherfuckers get injured every single game.

• 1:53:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:08Speaker 00

  There was a, it was a running back back in the day. They were doing like a, not even the Pro Bowl game. God, I forget his name. Robert something, he played for the Patriots, he was good. Hadn't gotten his big contract yet, but he, doing a beach football thing before the Pro Bowl, tore up his knee, never really played again, was never the same. Fuck, I forget his name, but exactly the point. It was a caution, he just became a cautionary tale. I think a lot of players are like, dying doing that shit. No.

• 1:53:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:31Speaker 07

  Did you see Chris Paul and Wemby sort of cheated on the first thing?

• 1:53:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. The skills challenge, yeah.

• 1:53:35Speaker 07

  Skills challenge.

• 1:53:35Speaker 00

  What was the idea that like, if you do it under a certain time, it's more beneficial?

• 1:53:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, but you got more points by being faster. And they were like, fine, we'll throw the balls to the left and the right. You don't have to take a shot.

• 1:53:44Speaker 00

  They just missed all the shots.

• 1:53:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, Wemby's high IQ, bro.

• 1:53:48Speaker 07

  That's all Chris Paul.

• 1:53:49Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:53:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:53:51Speaker 03

  I don't, no, I'm not familiar with his game.

• 1:53:53Speaker 00

  He's just a little scrappy, kinda shitty, do whatever, takes the win guy.

• 1:53:56Speaker 03

  Fire.

• 1:53:56Speaker 00

  Which is great.

• 1:53:57Mark Gagnon?

  Smart dude, though.

• 1:53:58Speaker 00

  I love it. What are we betting on now, man?

• 1:54:01Speaker 03

  Medieval martial arts?

• 1:54:02Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:54:02Speaker 03

  Have you been watching this?

• 1:54:03Speaker 00

  The end, well, the real NBA season starts now. That's true. Now, now the NBA games matter. Yeah.

• 1:54:09Mark Gagnon?

  Can you bet on hockey fights? Cause apparently that's fun.

• 1:54:13Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 1:54:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that the US versus Canada?

• 1:54:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:16Mark Gagnon?

  That shit was fire.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

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• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  But what have we bet on this, though?

• 1:54:33Mark Gagnon?

  No, this is far.

• 1:54:34Speaker 03

  This shit is fire.

• 1:54:35Mark Gagnon?

  Why is this?

• 1:54:36Speaker 03

  Miles put me on to this and it's crazy.

• 1:54:38Mark Gagnon?

  To me, this looks so stupid.

• 1:54:39Speaker 01

  This is retarded.

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  So they actually fight? So it's basically MMA, but they also have swords and shields?

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  Oh, Jesus Christ. Who fucking cares?

• 1:54:46Mark Gagnon?

  No, this is far.

• 1:54:46Speaker 03

  What do you mean? This is crazy. Have you ever seen this before?

• 1:54:49Mark Gagnon?

  In a fucking shield, it doesn't hurt?

• 1:54:52Speaker 03

  Boom.

• 1:54:54Speaker 03

  I mean, crazy.

• 1:54:55Speaker 07

  I like the.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  And look where they are.

• 1:54:57Speaker 07

  Al says this doesn't hurt. Al fell skiing this weekend and it's like decrepit.

• 1:55:01Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, I didn't have fucking iron.

• 1:55:04Speaker 07

  You fell in snow.

• 1:55:06Speaker 01

  Now that guy might be dead, yo.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, he died.

• 1:55:08Mark Gagnon?

  Hard snow.

• 1:55:09Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, Al.

• 1:55:10Mark Gagnon?

  It's hard snow. It's ice. It's very ice.

• 1:55:12Speaker 03

  We have really bad slopes.

• 1:55:14Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I'm fucking in pain. Like, everything's burning right now.

• 1:55:19Speaker 00

  All right, we gotta go to Patreon immediately.

• 1:55:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:55:21Speaker 00

  Um, listen, y'all come fuck with us over at patreon.com/flagrant. We'll see you over there in a second. Thank you all for tuning in. Peace.