Why I’m No Longer Talking To Black People About Race (With We Saw That)| The White Slave Trade (Part 2)

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• 1:07Speaker 02

  Welcome back to Finversity History. We're joined by Bemmy and Andrew from the We Saw That podcast for an audiovisual race war.

• 1:18Speaker 03

  I was waiting. I was wondering what's the intro going to be.

• 1:21Speaker 04

  Are we the first you've had?

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Sorry?

• 1:23Speaker 04

  Are we the first you've had?

• 1:24Speaker 03

  First what?

• 1:25Speaker 04

  The first.

• 1:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Definitely, yeah.

• 1:28Speaker 04

  This is history. This is history of Finversity.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  And don't make you the last, all right? Let's have a good time.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  It's an experiment.

• 1:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's an experiment. You tested it, see if it worked. Because you could have just had one, but you've gone two out of the gate, and you've never had any. That's risky.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  They're like buses.

• 1:42Speaker 04

  They're like buses.

• 1:45Speaker 04

  Or ships.

• 1:48Speaker 03

  Excuse me. Now, this is a very sensitive topic for us.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  You come in at part two of the white slave story.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Do you want to do a recap?

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Well, the word slave comes from Slav. They were the first slaves, Eastern Europeans, which kind of makes sense, given how good they are.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  At building.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  At building stuff.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  And we traced the slave, white slaves were castrated and then sold to Muslim empires as eunuchs so that they wouldn't fuck their wives.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  It's like London today. We're gone.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's a lot of similarities with London today.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Please.

• 2:23Speaker 03

  We're saying it's the long road to Ule's, which is a modern white slave.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  Sadiq or Massa, as we call him, as we call him today. Yeah, so Sharia law forbid castrating other people, but you could buy a castrated person. And then you get sold into Mansa Musa, the Malian Empire.

• 2:40Speaker 03

  Do you know about Mansa Musa?

• 2:41Speaker 04

  We do know about Mansa.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Because your family Nigerian?

• 2:43Speaker 04

  My family is Nigerian. Mansa Musa, he's the OG. He's the richest person that's ever lived.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  Yes, he lived on a gold mine and controlled all the salt.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  Money!

• 2:50Speaker 05

  And he was black.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  It's Jeff Blackos.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  Not Amazon jungle.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  But today, we ended with the start of the Barbary Pirates, the sort of North Africans. And this is very, very, very serious now, what we're going to talk about.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  So no jokes about this, this is very serious.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  No, some things that are funny.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Some things are off topic, you know, off limits in comedy.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  As white people going through this history, it's bringing back a lot.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  Trauma.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  You have a lot of time to afford, to be honest.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Yes, you do.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  They traumatized me. So where did the blacks go wrong?

• 3:25Speaker 04

  This is what I'm saying.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Fumbled.

• 3:26Speaker 04

  We fumbled the bag! We had it and we've allowed them to do cultural appropriation and claim that they the slave masters. Whereas we had it first. These people always stealing our shit. Wiggers, tired of it.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Wow, okay.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Already throwing the W word.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Already throwing the W word out, wow.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  So how do we get back to that though?

• 3:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, how do we bottle it?

• 3:49Speaker 04

  Because I was looking at the thing with Czech Republic, Prague, doing the kidnapping of whites.

• 3:55Speaker 05

  We fumbled the bag. Now we have to go on these guys' podcast.

• 4:00Speaker 04

  Now we here. Hey, hey, hey. Now we get a Patreon, Patreon.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  Excuse me. This is a confrontation with our oppressors.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Yes. This is a racial question time.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  I mean, finish literally releasing a book called Why I'm No Longer Talking to Racial Black People.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Bro.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  Why did you read that book?

• 4:28Speaker 02

  They don't listen.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  When I break up white slavery.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, nah, that book, uh, why I don't talk to white people about race, I've only seen white people read it. Yeah, of course. On the tube, white people just looking guilty, man. And they be reading it, yeah, then they look up, make eye contact with me on the tube. I ain't making you feel good.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  Do you know what?

• 4:46Speaker 04

  Read it, man. Pull your head down, read.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  I saw, I saw a woman get that book out of her bag when they left Victoria on the way to Brixton on the tube. And you're like, cut, come on. Be reading that from hybrid.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  She's reading the notes before, yeah. Research.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  So where is this Brixton?

• 5:03Speaker 05

  Before you get to Brixton, you just got to lock in for a chapter.

• 5:07Speaker 04

  Nah, I bet, I see, I bet white whites do that, you know, when the blacks come out, they bring the book out, man.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  So they feel safe. Nah, we robbing you still.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Uh, anyway, yes, you will be escorted out of the studio when we're done. Now, uh, the Barbary pirates, the North African pirates, uh, they peaked between 1530 and 1780. We're talking about, uh, Algerians, Tunisians, Moroccans. This is very hard to say. Nearly 1.25 million white Europeans are enslaved over these years.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Devastating numbers.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  I mean, these are numbers that you trust as well.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  I completely believe these numbers. Yeah. Why would you inflate them?

• 5:42Speaker 03

  He's one of the greatest number doubters of all time.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  By the northern Africans, yeah?

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  Mmm. The sand, the sand blacks, yeah, yeah, yeah. The sand blacks, they're cold.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Took the words right out of my mouth.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  The sand blacks, I like these, man, yeah. The dusty blacks, man.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Now, the States, they basically.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  Mahrez and them, man.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Uh, sorry?

• 6:00Speaker 03

  Mahrez.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Mahrez.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Mahrez is a slave.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Now.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Mahrez and a Kiwi, man, just.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  In fact, you've got Riyadh Mahrez.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  Kidnapping Vardy, man.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Riyadh Mahrez is slaving Vardy.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is kind of humiliating.

• 6:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  To be enslaved by Riyadh Mara.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, but then you look at Jamie Vardy and you're like.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean, yeah.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  He drugged eight Red Bulls before a game.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  There's a level you can see.

• 6:30Speaker 05

  He'd be a good slave as well, man.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  He would be, he would be, yeah.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  He'd be running them fields, innit? In my, in my hand.

• 6:37Speaker 05

  Quite on his back.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  Oh, go on, Vardy, big up, Vardy.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  So, this, this, this becomes like a protection racket, right? The North African states, they, they interfere with shipping in the Mediterranean and they steal white Europeans and they make them galley slaves on ships.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  What's galley slave, what's galley slave?

• 6:56Speaker 02

  They, they make them row, they whip them.

• 6:57Speaker 05

  Oh, shit.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Which is rare because when we were talking in the first episode, most white slaves, they had their knobs chopped off and they became administrative slaves.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Accountants.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  So they became in as bureaucrats, which is very funny.

• 7:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, but also.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  From the beginning, white slaves is like, you're not in the fields, you're doing my taxes.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  You gotta do math.

• 7:16Speaker 05

  That's funny. Also, you might have been rowing for time.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:19Speaker 05

  I went to, um, what's it, Henley Regretta?

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, well, I guess so.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Henley Regretta?

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess that's sort of a.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Yes, I suppose it's a slave ritual in a way, isn't it?

• 7:30Speaker 03

  That comes out of, like, you know, like blues music, it's come out of, yeah, it's come out of, like, the Cambridge and, was it the?

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Oxford.

• 7:37Speaker 05

  Oxford and Cambridge, yeah. They'd be humming when they do that.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  I guess Steve Redgrave's like our Colin Kaepernick, you know?

• 7:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  He stands for so much more than just the sport.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  I see, I see.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  So, now, the raids were viewed as jihad legitimate because these are Muslim slave owners, right? So they basically start, you got, uh, they do these raids on the island, uh, Ireland, uh, Italy and Spain, right? Which we were saying is probably the three most workshop populations.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  I mean, trying to get them to do any, any work.

• 8:13Speaker 05

  Spain, they might be asking for siesta. Work, Nick, work.

• 8:16Speaker 03

  Also asking for carb loading lunches, they'll be falling asleep after a plate of pasta, it's a nightmare.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  But they then get taken to-

• 8:24Speaker 03

  Can we also have a word on the Irish? I do want to say maybe the biggest fumble of white privilege-

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  Of all time, the Irish.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, the white privilege.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  If we get like cricket, can you put footage of cricket catchers being dropped? Easy cricket catchers.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  That is the Irish with the white privilege. They're even, they're super white. They're not even any, anything-

• 8:42Speaker 02

  As it gets, yeah.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  As white as it gets. How did you fumble that level of white-

• 8:45Speaker 04

  They ended up on the list with us, man.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's cra- how are you like-

• 8:47Speaker 04

  That's crazy, yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  No blacks, no dogs, no Irish.

• 8:51Speaker 03

  They went to the Caribbean, they're working cotton farms in-

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, plantations in the Caribbean.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Plantations, yeah.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, Irish.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  I mean, if I was Irish, how the fuck have I fumbled this?

• 8:59Speaker 04

  That man would be burning in the sun, you know?

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, but also doing that but getting sunburnt. Like, you're not even-

• 9:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He'd be burning in the sun, man.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  And that's why Jamaican sound like that is because there's some cork, isn't it?

• 9:09Speaker 03

  It's like, it's true.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  It's true. I've heard that, it's true. There's overlap with the accent.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Herman O.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  Your big patty girl.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  Your big patty girl. Uh, Boodo Clark.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Boodo Clark. So, the, well, the most, probably the example of this is the Sack of Baltimore, right? Which is where, uh, West-

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Not Baltimore in Maryland.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  Not in the, not the Wire.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  No, no, no, the original, the original Wire was in the Islands.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Really?

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Because the only Baltimore I know is in the Wire, bro.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they named all those cities after Irish and English ones.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is with Omar in-

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Balt- Baltimore.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  Omar, man.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  But shout out Omar, that's the most, that's the best fictional black gay.

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• 11:23Speaker 04

  No, there's a guy from Moonlight.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. There's a couple of guys in that.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  Omar, Omar the best black gay. Nah, the guy from Moonlight. Cause he be fucking niggas up. I'm fucking niggas up.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  It's quite funny how they're not picking an actual black gay, because that would be mad.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  Nah, it's only fiction.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  We're bringing up RuPaul.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  Fictional.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Fiction, fiction.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Over, yeah. The guy who shoots kids.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  The guy who shoots kids.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  That's a brilliant gay man.

• 11:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Cause you guys don't know as much gay banter as the white. It's not as funny to be like...

• 11:57Speaker 04

  No, we're not gay banter, but we're not touching you.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause I like, cause like, Paddy like will hug me from behind and kiss me and like, it's a bit much, but I don't see you guys doing that sort of...

• 12:08Speaker 04

  Nah, Paddy does stuff like that, but he's got ADHD, so...

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay, so that kind of reads as a bit...

• 12:12Speaker 04

  We don't know what it is. I don't think it's homosexual.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  They can't even deal with it.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  No, you've got ADHD.

• 12:18Speaker 04

  That's what it is. Yeah, yeah.

• 12:19Speaker 03

  Cause when you do like Night of the Stars or any of the nights that like we all run, you do come in like, this is gay. Like, you look at us, we're all in our underwear, spanking each other, and I just...

• 12:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, when I did the night, I'm in the moth club. I do, I remember, I do say shit like...

• 12:34Speaker 03

  I've never felt more like...

• 12:35Speaker 04

  I don't like being here. Cause they had Dan Ternan in a cage, bro, naked. And he was there the whole show. He ruined his life.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  I mean, Tina would have been a white slave.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  His ancestors are slaves.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  He would have pulled rocks with his head. He would like strapped to.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  So they'd be doing gay shit like that all the time. And then they'd be inviting me. In fact, that's what, do you know Mark, remember Mark Biddlestone?

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  Do you remember Mark Biddlestone?

• 13:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course, yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, on formerly IG, Poof's R Us, that was his IG. He found out I used to be homophobic.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 13:07Speaker 04

  Which is true. He hated the gays, man.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  Now they're all right.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  They're all right, yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Are you Jewish?

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Huh? No, I just like pointing stuff out.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  He's just rich. That's anti-Semitic from you. Just a rich guy who runs a media organisation. Are you Jewish?

• 13:26Speaker 04

  I was looking at him, the way he came up with that, the safari tick, the bin, I was like, the guy's a bit Jewy. Is that Jewy? Jewy's a bit Jewy, yeah, Jewy.

• 13:35Speaker 02

  No, no, but also, completely unrelated, you are not being paid for this. So.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Damn it. We didn't know that, man.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, but so the Irish are kidnapped by the Barbary Pirates and this raid, terrifying raid on a village in West Cork. There's a, so there's a.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  I've heard you.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like, basically, it's like Tyson Fury's, they're all the sort of gypsies in the Western Court like that. And they get, there's a Dutch captain who has been forced to convert to Islam called Murat Race, right, Rice.

• 14:05Speaker 03

  And he's from Harlem. Like, all of these words.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Dutch Harlem.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Dutch Harlem, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very different.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  Bro, that's crazy. They've been taking the names.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Harlem, Baltimore, Harlem.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  No, no, you, no, you took the names.

• 14:17Speaker 04

  The blacks took the names, yeah, yeah.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  Americans took the names.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  But did the black American, wait, is that, did the black Americans take the names to?

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Right, let's just have a quick, a quick reminder. So, English people started America and then they, they, they saw what the Arabs were doing and went, oh, these guys would make quite good slaves, better than the fucking Spanish. So they then transported loads of African slaves and then they end up moving into areas like Harlem and Baltimore. And there are a couple of black cities.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  Okay, so the Africans named.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, the whites had named it Baltimore and Harlem. They're just, the black people end up living there. So they've become known as black places.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  But they were named after Dutch and Irish villages.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  But the Dutch Harlem Globetrotters is not as good at basketball. That's important to me.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  There's a Norfolk as well.

• 14:57Speaker 02

  There's Greenwich in America. New York, I mean, it's York, you know, it's all based off stuff.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  Oh, New York is that?

• 15:01Speaker 02

  New York!

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Oh, New York.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Is that just right now?

• 15:08Speaker 04

  I just cropped that. You're lying.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Are you serious?

• 15:11Speaker 04

  New York shit. Crazy.

• 15:16Speaker 05

  Fearless is history.

• 15:18Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 15:19Speaker 05

  We're learning.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  We're learning.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  You know, New York was called New Amsterdam until 1780.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Don't, don't, don't.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  Sorry, that's too much.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  It's too much.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  New Amsterdam?

• 15:27Speaker 03

  That's what it was called.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  But isn't New Amsterdam the thing in Bo- in Baltimore? In, um, The Wire. There was a si- there was a whole series where they sectioned off a place and said, "You can do drugs legally here." And they called that place New Amsterdam.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:44Speaker 04

  Shit. Shit.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Mind blown.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  New York.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  I mean, Charlie is absolutely laughing back there. The thickest person in this podcast. Has just been outflanked.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's pretty good.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  So, uh, now this Dutch raid, right? Or rather, this, this Barbary raid, okay? There's a Dutch guy who's been converted to Islam, Murat Rice, right, Rice. He, uh, basically he gets, he goes along this, the south coast. And then there's a guy called, I can't remember what his name is, Jack something. Basically, he gets kidnapped and he's like, "Oh, no, no, no, go down there." There's loads of them and they're undefended, right? So he's basically a race traitor.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Oh, he's snitched.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Chock ice, if you will, but he's, he's white on the inside.

• 16:21Speaker 03

  So it's ice chalk?

• 16:22Speaker 02

  He's a, he's a white chalk ice.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  White on the outside, black on the, what's that?

• 16:25Speaker 02

  No, no, no, but he's, he's white everywhere.

• 16:27Speaker 03

  White chocolate and then, yeah.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 04

  White chocolate.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, white chocolate ice.

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. White on the outside and white on the inside.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Eminem. Anyway.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  Eminem, yeah, yeah.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  Eminem, yeah. White chocolate, but still white.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  He sells out the whites and they go down the, the coast, the pirates, and they kidnap, like a hundred and seven Irish people from a village. Take them back to North Africa. Sell them in a slave market.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  To go and work in fucking, like, the court, like, what do they? Oh, they get paraded through North African streets as booty, right? They're sold at public auctions in markets which are known as Badistan. It's like.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  Sounds like a sort of Britain first.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  This was very Badistan.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  London's gone Badistan.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  The buyers would scrutinize the Christian captives, strip them naked, they'd use truncheons, they were forced to walk, jump, contort their body to determine how healthy they were.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Fucking look at their teeth and shit.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 05

  Oh, so they had to make them do physical activities to see how healthy they were.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  You do basically, it's like doing a medical before joining a club, basically, that's what you gotta do.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:36Speaker 05

  That's cold.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  So these are enjoying this, by the way.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  Hey, what?

• 17:39Speaker 04

  I'm really enjoying this.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  You are?

• 17:42Speaker 04

  These facts are making me happy.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  Well, we, this is very traumatizing for us, so I'm glad someone's enjoying it.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Someone has to tell the story.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, you tell the story, bro.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  And we brought you on for a conversation, a cross-cultural conversation, to try and get to a point where we can talk to black people about race.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Got you.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  Because that point is not now.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  It's not now, not yet.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  We're no longer talking to black people about race. Finn Taylor.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  So you want reparations from us?

• 18:06Speaker 03

  That would be nice.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Reparations now.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  What would you, what would you like?

• 18:08Speaker 03

  Can you put those reparations into an index fund?

• 18:12Speaker 03

  That's the problem.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  The problem with black people asking for reparations, you're asking for money straight.

• 18:15Speaker 05

  I want for cash.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  No, that's it, the problem.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  You'll lose that in 10 years.

• 18:20Speaker 05

  We need a bond.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  It's compound interest.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  Compound interest.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  Invest the reparations. You need white slaves to do your taxes.

• 18:26Speaker 05

  To do our taxes, okay.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  The problem is, it's rappers asking for reparations and the money will just go.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  It's gone.

• 18:32Speaker 05

  Rims, chains, rims.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  Hydraulics, man.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  New trainers that are clean.

• 18:37Speaker 04

  PPLs.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Don't buy clean trainers, keep them dirty, it's how you, how you keep them.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  That's why the whites got money.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Because you keep, oh, look at this, how fresh this is.

• 18:45Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  How new is that, you know? Invest it.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, offshore.

• 18:50Speaker 05

  Offshore.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Virgin islands.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  This is a depreciating asset right here. As soon as you walk out of the shop, that loses half its value.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  The smartest thing to do is take money out of the economy.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  We do that.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  Of sure.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  Switzerland.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  Isn't it?

• 19:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Now.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Is there any sort of black Switzerland? Do you guys have like a?

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the vape shops in Hackney.

• 19:16Speaker 05

  We used to though. Where, where, where, where? No, back in the day, blacks used to have, but the whites would always destroy them.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  The black pound in Brixton. They had these local currencies and they did that in America, the black dollar.

• 19:25Speaker 05

  They had it in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Tulsa.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  But then the KKK just came and burnt it down. Burnt the whole thing down, Black Wall Street.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Well, the KKK is like white reparations.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  It's aggressive.

• 19:40Speaker 03

  It's the white Panthers.

• 19:41Speaker 05

  The white Panthers.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  As I call the KKK, the white Panthers, okay?

• 19:45Speaker 05

  The polar bears.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  The white polar bears.

• 19:49Speaker 05

  The polar bears is really funny.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  The polar bears take on the black Panthers.

• 19:53Speaker 05

  The polar bears versus the black Panthers.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  And do you know what? Doesn't that just perfectly articulate the difference in aesthetics? Black Panthers, all black, beret, salute. White guys.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  A don'ts hat.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  And the dressing gown.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  It sounds like the Grand Wizards.

• 20:10Speaker 05

  Wizards, yeah, Dungeons and Dragons. You're fucking nuts.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  It's gay.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  White supremacy is gay.

• 20:20Speaker 05

  Grand Wizards.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  To be honest, genuinely, genuinely, we need black people to keep us straight.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  Because if you leave us alone, we'll do a lot of gay shit.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  Imagine the blacks.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  They need to keep us in line, really.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Imagine the blacks designed the KKK outfits.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  Oh, like, would have been real.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  They should have hired some blacks to make the outfits. They just had their fat white wives doing their fucking, making holes in the clothes.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  I believe Kanye is doing some quite good merch.

• 20:47Speaker 05

  To be fair, that's Kanye.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  You've got to hire Kanye to do the KKK merch.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Charlie, do you want to go on Grok and make an AI image of a black guy wearing a Nike KKK outfit that looks cold as fuck? Just see what comes up.

• 21:01Speaker 05

  Well, Grok can just do that.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  Or Grok would, ChatGPT probably wouldn't.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  Grok's the racist one.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  Grok is owned by Elon Musk, so he'll do anything.

• 21:08Speaker 03

  You ask it to rank racist, it'll go, yeah, sure, white.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  But yeah, no, no, no black men were involved in the making of this suit.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Damn it.

• 21:19Speaker 05

  It's cold though.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  It looks good.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  I mean, obvious, obvious.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  But if a black invite you would be buried, it would be like a mic tick on the roof.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  Right, okay, yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 05

  A bit more jazz to it.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  So, let's talk about, and this is a harrowing part of the episode, the slave experience for whites. Okay.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Well, then, listen, there's, there's-

• 21:38Speaker 03

  That's not arch music.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  No, that's not. So, that's actually the music of the oppressor.

• 21:41Speaker 05

  Cause maybe.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Cause I will try to fix you.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  Whoa, man. I love it. What do you think they would sing?

• 21:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, Coldplay, Radiohead, Green Day.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  Johnny Cash.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Wake me up.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  I hurt myself today.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Mumford and Sons, obviously, as well. Now, the galley slaves, this is considered a death sentence. Men are chained to rowing benches of pirate ships. They're rowing in the fucking Mediterranean. They're like whipped and shit. I mean, you know, there's just no way you guys can relate to the trauma that this was to be.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  This sounds crazy.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Many die, many die, many die from exhaustion, disease.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  They're put, have someone put to work quarrying stone, cutting timber.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  And also meagre rations.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  Uh, cracker. That's where the cracker comes from.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  Really?

• 22:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, they've, they're, it's called a, what's the-

• 22:39Speaker 05

  When you say the cracker comes from, as in the biscuit or?

• 22:41Speaker 04

  No, he means the slur.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  It comes from the fact that white slaves were given the C word. Don't say it with a hard R. The C word.

• 22:50Speaker 05

  Cracker?

• 22:51Speaker 02

  Fine.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  That's fine.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  It's all right. It's not fine, but it's acceptable.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  My crackers.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  I can say that.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  My crackers.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Horatio's my cracker.

• 23:02Speaker 05

  Yeah. So you're going to be with him, man?

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Charlie, Charlie, why is Honky and Pekka Wood on the screen?

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Can you not show very upsetting slurs?

• 23:11Speaker 05

  White trash, redneck.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Wait, isn't cracker-

• 23:14Speaker 05

  Redneck.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  I thought cracker was because we cracked the whip.

• 23:17Speaker 05

  Mmm, that's what I thought.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  That's what I heard.

• 23:19Speaker 05

  I feel like you changing this to get simple. That was sneaky.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, what's cracker, what's cracker mean?

• 23:24Speaker 05

  That was sneaky.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  I've decided.

• 23:25Speaker 05

  That was sneaky.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  It's very Jewish of you.

• 23:27Speaker 05

  That was sneaky.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  The Jews go, listen, catch extreme. It's a whites versus blacks pod and the Jews go, no one-

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Look at that, look at that.

• 23:37Speaker 05

  Come on, that's cold.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  We are now looking at a video of a black designed KKK outfit and there's maybe a hundred Nike ticks on it.

• 23:45Speaker 05

  Bro, I would wear that. Why does it look like he would be so unsuccessful though, in capturing the whites?

• 23:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's just, it's, he wouldn't, cause he wouldn't get that dirty, do you know what I mean?

• 23:56Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, if he turns up to a meeting and he's trying to blend in and he's got 100 Nike ticks.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  He's hadn't done his research. So what is the history of cracker? Sorry, can we get that? I'd hate to spread misinformation on this podcast.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  The oldest recorded use to find a cracker is a loud talker, a braggart.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  But why is it used against white?

• 24:15Speaker 02

  So whip cracker and corn cracker, so it's both.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  But what is it really?

• 24:20Speaker 04

  The term cracker for white people originated centuries ago.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  American slavery.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Oh, I guess, yeah, so it's basically against Irish people because it's what they breed.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, but also, but wow.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  It's just added bitches to it.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  Boobies, yeah, I like that.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  So they're giving these, they're giving these tiny little biscuits to, that's where, you know, it's where I'm deciding the word cracker comes from. This is before African American slavery, so they're putting, they have to build, so there are all these like Algeria and Morocco, they're not countries yet, they're just these massive cities and so they're all built on the back of white slave labor, you know. So you go to, you know, you go to, what's the capital of Morocco now?

• 24:57Speaker 03

  It's fucking, not Rabat, is it?

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Marrakech, you go Marrakech, it's tough.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  What?

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Seeing the walls.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  So when you go back, do you feel your ancestors' pain?

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Well, now I've found out, now I've done a Wikipedia scroll, now I do, but I didn't before.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  I booked flights this morning.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Nice. So what, how do you, what do you, do you like, so obviously like with black people and we pass it down to our kids and tell them about it.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Intergenerational drama.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Well, like, how's your kid finding it?

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Well, we were saying because.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  She will not go to Harare.

• 25:27Speaker 04

  Damn, I understand.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  We were talking in the first episode about how some white slaves, they'd have their dicks chopped off so they weren't sexually threatening to the harem and they used to like serve.

• 25:37Speaker 04

  I don't get that, are you guys ever sexually threatening dicks or others?

• 25:40Speaker 03

  Sometimes, we can be sexually threatening. We've got it in our locker.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  Threatening our.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  Russell Brand.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  My guy, my cracker, my cracker brand.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  The white Cosby.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Cosby?

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Sadly, sadly, the white Cosby is Savile. Let's be real.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, we do, you cannot compete.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  You can't compete.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  You can't compete what? Cosby or Savile?

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Sorry, if the metric, if the metric is paedophilia, this is a one-horse race.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  You're blowing out the water.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  We ain't got, nah, I disagree.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  We ain't got many.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  You're in a better time when you're like, R. Kelly.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Bemmy.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  There's a vibe there.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Come at me, come at me, bro. Name a black paedophile.

• 26:17Speaker 05

  Kelly.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  Kelly.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, name another one.

• 26:20Speaker 05

  But there's this difference between ours and yours. Great music.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  Michael Jackson.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  I did Savile do any music?

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Michael Jackson. No, I went, yeah, black man.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he did his worst stuff when he became, we came to our side.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  He did, he did.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  When he transitioned.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  I mean that, I mean that in morally and musically.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Although, blunder the dark side.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  White Jackson was not his best one. Because it got, it got, White Jackson was all like, saved the world, saved the, it got very like.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  He was trying to fit in with the whites. What do you guys do for fun? Oh, okay.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Ah, that makes sense.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Culture is not your costume.

• 26:56Speaker 04

  R. Kelly's like, it might not have the numbers of Savile, but I just feel like he's.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  He got the freak off. He got Diddy, which I guess not paedo, but that's just.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  But the thing about R. Kelly, he was confessing for, he was hiding in plain sight. And it was mad. You got a deep it. He, he, his first, he wrote an album for Aaliyah.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 27:13Speaker 04

  Who he was shagging and married.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  And when she was sixteen. Fifteen, yes. And the album, he named the album AJ Nothing But A Number. And if you look at it, you've seen the album cover before.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  That's pretty good. What's the documentary? Charlie, get a photo side by side.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  But give them the respect they deserve. That's pretty good.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  That's good. He called himself the Pied Piper as a nickname. That's amazing.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Photos, photos side by side of R. Kelly.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  Look at that, look at that, look at that, look at that album cover. Look at him in the background of an album called AJ Nothing But A Number. Savile ain't competing with that. That's crazy. And it's a great album. And he wrote it.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Side by side, please. R. Kelly and Jimmy Savile. Who's, who's hiding in plain sight more? That's all I'm gonna ask.

• 27:51Speaker 03

  Can we get Sir James Savile up here?

• 27:53Speaker 02

  Sir James Savile.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  He got a knighthood for being, for his service to paedophilia.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  Wait, Jimmy got a knighthood?

• 27:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, he was a sir. That tops it.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Now, who, who's?

• 28:01Speaker 05

  Nah, that tops it, that tops it.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 28:03Speaker 05

  He was a sir, bro.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  You have to address him as a knight.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  Nah, but R. Kelly pissed on someone and said it was his brother. That's amazing. R. Kelly did the most hilarious interview ever.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  But also, because black people would dress better than white people, but I also want to say you look better in clothes. It's not necessarily the outfits are better. For example, I think you look great in your tracksuits. But Jimmy Savile would try to dress like you.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  You look like a pedophile.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Just saying, it's not all that. It's not necessarily the look is better, it's just.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  It's because you're wearing, that's like you wearing a tracksuit is like me wearing a Native American headdress. Right, you're appropriating.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're making fun of pedo culture.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Pedo culture.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Got you, got you. Yeah, yeah, that's what I do. That's my whole thinking.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  This is what Mensa wears on stage.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 04

  I can't lie, bro. Andrew, some of these legit look exactly like the tracksuits you wear. And I'd be going for those colours as well.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  Wow. He doesn't quite look as hard. You got something to tell me, bro?

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Doesn't go as hard.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Nah, this doesn't go as hard as me though. He can't pull it off.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  No, he can't.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  So, we've got to carry on. I want to get, because I want to get to the US, right?

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  So, this is serious. Slaves were under constant pressure to convert to Islam, right? And if they converted to Islam, they were basically freed.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  White slaves, yeah?

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, white slaves, right?

• 29:23Speaker 03

  A lot of parallels with today.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  If they, if they are, I mean, sorry, I'm talking about the history. I'm not talking about modern day London.

• 29:30Speaker 04

  Siddiq, Siddiq man.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  So diplomats would all, would come to try and ransom. This is, this is the one difference with Africa, well, there's a couple of differences. One of the, one of the differences is that you could ransom, you could buy white slaves' freedom.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  In that like a foreigner could come and like buy them their freedom and like, they are still hostages.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Their dad could come and pay for them.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, pick them up.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like when college kids get off rape charges because their dad owns an oil company.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they're good at swimming. Yeah, brilliant. But if a slave converts to Islam, then those organisations no longer come and ransom them. So they kind of never go home, right?

• 30:05Speaker 04

  Oh, that's weird.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  It's locking you in, it's locking you in.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  They're not trying to save you. Wait, wait, explain. If a slave.

• 30:13Speaker 05

  converts to Islam. They, no one can come and ransom them.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Cause the Christians are the ones who are trying to.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  It's a Christian coming back to save Christians, but if you're going to Islam, they're not gonna save you.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  The white Islamic community is not gonna save you. There's not enough of them.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  Even though, don't you think Charlie looks like a white Muslim?

• 30:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, Charlie, man.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that sort of ginger.

• 30:30Speaker 05

  If Charlie, if Charlie shaved his head, wow.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, ginger jihad.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  He does sometimes, yeah.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  Is there any famous white Muslims?

• 30:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's one, there's one famous white. Jihad John?

• 30:39Speaker 03

  It's Sinead O'Connor.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  Sinead O'Connor, yeah.

• 30:43Speaker 04

  Sinead O'Connor is Muslim, innit?

• 30:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's an Alahuakwa.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Cat Stevens?

• 30:49Speaker 02

  Yes, Cat Stevens.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Didn't know that.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Who's that?

• 30:51Speaker 03

  It's a white musician, it's, it's a Caucasian spiritual artist, you wouldn't understand.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  You wouldn't understand.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's quite, it's all white gospel stuff, really.

• 30:58Speaker 04

  White gospel.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  So.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  What kind of white music do you like? Do you, do you listen to white music?

• 31:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I like Disclosure and that.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Disclosure, okay, that's pretty white.

• 31:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, I like electronical, electronical white.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  KDB, oh my god.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  KDB?

• 31:12Speaker 05

  KDB's kinda black.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, KDB's kinda black.

• 31:14Speaker 05

  But I like, I like country though.

• 31:15Speaker 03

  What's the whitest shit that you listen to, do you think?

• 31:17Speaker 04

  I would say Bill Callahan.

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Cause I mean, the blackest shit you listen to is late Kanye West.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  Sorry, I know we're going off a bit, that's one of the best jokes I've ever heard. When this guy wrote Kanye Hal Hitler thing.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  It's, it's in my, it's in my tour show, so that's a good plug for the tour.

• 31:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's unbelievable. Don't watch him on tour.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  It's unbelievable. Have you, have you seen it?

• 31:36Speaker 05

  No, I wanna, I wanna wait, cause I'm a real fan.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  This guy does the whole thing and he just skirts around the N word.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  A hard R.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  But it's there, the N word is heavily present in this whole bit and he don't, he don't say it. It's genius.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  You didn't really sell it, you didn't sell it without context.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  How clever is this guy?

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Nah, honestly, it's funny.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  He's heavily implied.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  I remember when he, I put it on my story, I never post other people's bits.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  He doesn't say the N word in front of people.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  I text you when it, when you put that out, I literally text him, I said, bro, this is.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  What's that meme of the black guy doing that? That's me saying the N word rather than the actual word.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, roll safe, uh, no, that joke, top ten.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  But what, what, what do you think the whitest music that you like?

• 32:15Speaker 05

  I like Adele, Disclosure.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  Bill Callahan.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Adele? Is that an aesthetic thing?

• 32:20Speaker 04

  Who else? There must be some more.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  And now she's lost it a little bit.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  You don't like her anymore, Matt.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  I like twenty one of them.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Paul.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Twenty one stone.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Twenty one stone, twenty one in age. That's the real Adele.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  When she was a pogue.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  Johnny Cash.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Is that how you say it?

• 32:36Speaker 04

  A pogue, man.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Pogue.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  A pogue.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Pogue. Do you like that?

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  Oh, I see what's going on.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Now, the original, the original pogue's were celled to the Caliphate in Coeur d'Alba. Yeah, the original fat ass white girls. Now, we need to get to, uh, this, this is where I think the story becomes funniest, right? So there's about two hundred years where the, the Barbary Pirates are, you know, kidnapping people. They're interfering with American ships, right?

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• 34:29Speaker 03

  America, they've only just got independence.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  So 1776, America was independent. By 1801, America was having to pay off these pirates to not attack their shipping, right? It was like a protection racket. So by 1801, America is spending 20% of its whole GDP on tributes, basically like mafia protection, to not interfere with their shipping. So then Thomas Jefferson, friend of the pod.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  He liked, he liked the Black Queen.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  He does like the Black Queen.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  He, I think he had kids, didn't he?

• 34:58Speaker 03

  He had kids with about five of his slaves.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  So Jefferson is famously like a complex figure in that he's one of the founding fathers. He writes Declaration of Independence.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  He had, I think, 600 slaves, but he was against it. So.

• 35:13Speaker 04

  I feel him though.

• 35:14Speaker 03

  Which is.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  I know, I mean, there's bad things I'm against. I'm against eating meat.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  I'm against eating meat.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  But you eat it.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  That's what I mean.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  But it's wrong. It is wrong though. Being eaten meat is more, you can't defend it.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  We have a Nando's for lunch.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  It's completely morally indefensible.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Literally a delivery driver with Nando's on his back coming in for you.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  And he has to. And he has to. He has to. He knows it's wrong.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Well, that is, that's modern, that's modern white slavery.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Which I'm against.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  I am against.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  I'm against that.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  But where is it, is it nearby?

• 35:46Speaker 04

  Hurry up.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  I'm against that, but quicker, please. I'll be more against it if you got here quicker.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Nah, facts.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  And don't forget the dips.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  But we were saying this earlier, is that like, yeah, we, you know, there's loads of stuff nowadays that as soon as people stop doing it, you're like, oh yeah, that was terrible. But I'm not stopping at all.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  No, you stop it first, then I'll do it.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  If it became illegal, I'll stop. Yeah, if they banned meat, I wouldn't fight it. I'd be like, yeah, you should have done that 10 years ago.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I'd fight it. I'd be putting flags of meat or pigs up in the street. I'd be like, fuck this.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Pepper pig flag.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Bracing the flag.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  First Ule's and now you ban this.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  Now you ban this.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  I don't want to live in Siddiq's London, man.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  So right, so Thomas Jefferson comes to power in, is it 1800, I think? Anyway, yeah, he owns 600 slaves, but he's also against it.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  He's against it.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Which is, yeah, I mean, it's like.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  Fair enough.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  It's more like, if you're going to be a slave, you should be a slave under my roof. Do you know what I mean?

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Is he saying that?

• 36:39Speaker 03

  If you're gonna do drugs, who wants to do drugs at home?

• 36:42Speaker 02

  I don't know if he's saying that.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  That's what I, I read. It's like I'd rather you be drinking alcohol at home.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Cause he said, he says this will be a moral stain on the country.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  But right now, it's brilliant.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  I've got 600, I can't just let go.

• 36:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, no you can't. If you have 600, bro.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  I've got a plantation to run.

• 36:58Speaker 05

  It's the way against me, but my freezer's full of lamb.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:01Speaker 05

  I can't just throw it out.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  It's worse to throw it out than to eat it.

• 37:04Speaker 05

  Yes, you gotta eat it. You gotta let them live under your roof.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:08Speaker 05

  Throw it out.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  But also, we were saying this, that slavery stops when it becomes economically possible to automate the labour of machines, right? It's similar to like AI now.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  It's never a moral thing.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  I wonder if there will be a conversation where we're like, white, white data sent, white data analysts are now talking about AI the way that freed black people were talking about slavery.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  Freed a data analyst?

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Basically, we're freeing data analysts from the service queue. Now AI has taken their jobs.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  Claude is, you know, Claude, is it Claude?

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Claude, yeah, that's the big one.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  Claude taking their jobs.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  But like robot hoovers are taking cleaners jobs.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Basically, right. So it's a similar thing where the industrial revolution happens and sort of, and then the civil war in America happens because it becomes an economic thing rather than a moral, well, it is a moral thing.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Robert E. Lee.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  As well, but yeah, right. So before America ended African American slavery, they, what, 60 years before, they fight a war, their first war, international war.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  America always attacking.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  I can't lie, you went into detail of all the white slaves, but the way you glossed over the African slave, I don't like that.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Andrew, this is, the topic is white slavery. I feel the conversation.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  We've heard enough about black slavery.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  But white slavery could mean both ways. Could be the owner and the owned.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  We covered this.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  It's not white slave owners.

• 38:25Speaker 05

  No, but I'm just saying, the way you skipped it felt very racist.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Andrew, Andrew.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  African American slavery.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Andrew, I searched into Spotify, white slavery yesterday, the only thing that came up was on this podcast.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  All right. So the only ones talking about it, I feel there are enough, there's enough cultural conversation about black slavery.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  More people are talking about it.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  We need to now.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Where's the 12 years of slave for us?

• 38:46Speaker 02

  For whites, yeah. 12 years of data analysts, where's that film?

• 38:49Speaker 05

  12 years of data analysts.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Who's making, and then he got promoted.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  I'd be in it though.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:55Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, you're, you're a frauder.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  I'd be in it, I'd be in that film.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  That's what?

• 39:00Speaker 04

  I don't know, like, what would I do? Would I be owning slaves?

• 39:04Speaker 04

  I feel like I'd be the ally.

• 39:08Speaker 05

  The one black guy trying to get him out.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  Run, let's go run, let's go run.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  So you'd be like the equivalent of woke.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  You'd be asleep.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, because isn't there, there was a white guy that did that, famously, who freed blacks. He used to shoot their man up. They made a film about him. Ethan Hawke played him.

• 39:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, but also.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Have you not heard of this guy?

• 39:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  There was a white guy that used to shoot slave owners back in the day. Fucking sick.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Well, they like Django on chat.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was a white guy.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, Ethan Hawke.

• 39:41Speaker 05

  He's got, he's got, he's got a mixture of daughter.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  The good Lord Bird, is that it?

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Is it true?

• 39:46Speaker 04

  John Brown, John Brown, yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 05

  John Brown.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Wow, fiery abolitionist.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  John Brown, he used to, he used to kill blacks.

• 39:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  Brown. He was, he was on job. He was, like, he was on it.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Real ally.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was killing whites.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  He was not reading the book.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  He was killing whites, John Brown, that's the guy.

• 40:06Speaker 05

  That's what I'd be on, I'd be on the bus.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  So you'd be on that, you'd be killing blacks.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  On the bus to Oklahoma with all the blacks, just sitting in the cafe getting beaten up.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:13Speaker 05

  You fucking crackalover.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Calling you a crackalover, yeah?

• 40:22Speaker 02

  So, right, so Jefferson basically decides to start America's first foreign war. It's the first, it's the long road to Iraq, Afghanistan.

• 40:30Speaker 03

  Vietnam.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  He sends his gunboats to the Mediterranean to take on the scourge of the white slave owners, right? Sixty years before, so slavery has got, he's got six hundred slaves. And he sees white slaves, he goes, well, that, that's an absolute aberration. We've got to start a war over that. This is the first Barbary War of 1801. We haven't played, we should place this. What we do on the pod is that we, we place a year with something that happened before, something that happened afterwards, just because our listeners are very thick, right? So, do you want to give it a go, 1801? You know anything that happened before that?

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Anything.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  1801, anything that happened.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Jesus, Jesus, so it's after Jesus, very good, and it's before.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Anything.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  It's before Arsenal winning the league.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Arsenal winning the league, look at that, Jesus.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Perfect, so Jesus has been and gone.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  I can't lie, that range is big.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  It's big, it's a big range.

• 41:22Speaker 04

  Big range.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  It's a broad cushion.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  It's the two year zeros, because now I think we reset the clock now Arsenal won the league.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  It's zero again.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  You mean the most recent time Arsenal won the league? Because you could place it in the 50s when they won the league.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  Come on, that doesn't count.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Why would you? Why would you?

• 41:37Speaker 04

  Let's do it now. 2026.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  So, that's the first Barbary War, it's about, it lasts four years. Jefferson says, if we mean to be a respectable nation, we must protect our commerce, not by begging, but by strength. He sends gun, this is the first, I think it's the first US Marines, the first thing they do. Go and stop white slavery.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  They, the conflict goes on for about four years. Now, there's this operation, now the Brits aren't protecting them. Because they've recently been kicked out of America. So, American Brits don't get on. So, American Navy isn't that good.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  So, they're getting pummeled a bit by the Arabs. This is, the USS Philadelphia, is this ship that gets captured by the Arabs? And then there's a special operations.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Similar to the Venezuelan operation.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Very similar, it's like special operation where a guy called Stephen Decatur, he sneaks on to the captured ship at night, disguised as an Arab, right?

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Wow, and he says, I am the captain now.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  Which I think you should.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  He's basically just the first. I am the captain now, smidgen, okay?

• 42:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he said, yeah, but he said as a white, I'm the captain now.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  I am the cap, I am the captain now, man.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Actually, I'm the captain now.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  Actually, I'm the captain.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  I think you'll find I'm the captain.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  I think you'll find I'm the captain now.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So, he sneaks on and then torches it, sets fire to it so it can't be used, and then sneaks off again. Yeah, pretty sick.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  That is sick.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  But yeah, it's interesting, so it's Libya, right? So, it's reverse Gaddafi.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  This is reverse Gaddafi, yes, this is triply. So, this is, and then Gaddafi, Reagan sent warships to Libya.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Number one terrorist in the world.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  In 1980, so this is a hundred, it's a long road.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Gaddafi was that old? 1980?

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Gaddafi.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Gaddafi, man.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's been around. His reign was 50, 40.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  50 years at the top, 70s to.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Gaddafi, 50 years at the top, that's longevity.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  He did good, man.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Multiple primes as well.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  Bare primes, a lot of these African leaders, they got bare primes. I reckon.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Like David Bowie, he reinvented himself. He had Pan-Arabes, he had Arab face, he has African face.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Have you seen the Mugabe School of Quotes video?

• 43:36Speaker 05

  No.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Oh, man. Fucking love. This is, I also, there's a, this is radio hosts. Fuck me. You know, it's like, I get this when I watch your clips. I get so jealous of having an entirely black audience, because just the energy is so fucking.

• 43:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, when you're coming to do it.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  I'd love to do it.

• 43:52Speaker 05

  Reparations.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do I get paid for it?

• 43:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. He says, no, no. In crackers. No, no, because they're not paying us for this, so balance.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Okay, fine. So I have to work to be set free.

• 44:02Speaker 05

  Yes, for sure.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Um, this is very funny.

• 44:05Speaker 05

  If you are ugly, you are ugly. Stop talking about inner beauty. Men do not walk around with x-rays to see your inner beauty.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  Who is that from?

• 44:20Speaker 05

  Mugabe.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  That's genius.

• 44:23Speaker 05

  Men don't walk around with x-rays to see your inner beauty. Brilliant.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  African dictators are basically, they speak like stand-ups.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 05

  That's so good. They're the funniest, man.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  And that's why Trump isn't African.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Trump is an African dictator.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  It's just, but it's not.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  He has a new grasp.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  White guy power, so it's not as fun. Idi Amin couldn't do much damage. Trump is as much power as anyone else, so it's pretty scary.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  African dictator with actual power.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  It's less funny.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  Idi Amin got rid of all the Asians.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  But in Uganda.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  The economy.

• 44:57Speaker 05

  Immediately this.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 05

  And then it went to fucking.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  They came here.

• 45:02Speaker 05

  Mayfair, yeah.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Charli XCX. She's her family's Ugandan.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the first Barbary War ultimately ends with a treaty, 1805, where, but the US still have to pay the states like $60,000 in like reparations or something. Oh, but there's also a fucking invasion. They, they, they, this is the first American troops, Middle Eastern. What is it called? The March on.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  So this is America in the Middle East, basically.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  This is the start, the start of it. March to Durna.

• 45:28Speaker 05

  1805. 1805.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Special forces go through the desert and then they go to, is it the city called Durna, which is maybe, is it Moroccan or? I don't know, Libya, somewhere in one of these states. And they, they pincer them, it's in Libya. And they have gunboats firing on the port and then they, the Marines come in round the back. I said, yeah, it's the first time you had boots on the ground. And the country's 20 years old. So it's like, it's always been the world's policeman.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  But the first instance of it being a world policeman is to stop white slavery. I find that absolutely hilarious.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  So then, so then there's this, there's this like peace, but then it all kicks off because the Napoleonic Wars. I don't know how across that you guys are.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  I watched the Napoleon film, yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  Terrible. White and white crime is just not that interesting.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 46:13Speaker 04

  That's what it is.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Well, you need, you need black people in it. You need no, yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  You need black people to be victims or perpetrators. Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  For it to be interesting.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  That's why Moonlight, Moonlight's like, whatever, mate.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, for you.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  It's just, well, this is, this is fiction, isn't it?

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Because those people don't exist.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, gay blacks.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  They got ADHD.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  So this, yeah, so they remade, uh, Moonlight for a white audience and they called it, I swear, I think. Anyway.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Nigger!

• 46:47Speaker 03

  First time it's been said on this pod.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  First time it's been said on the pod.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  On the N-word!

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Well, you'd hope so.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  You'd hope so.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  Wouldn't you hope so?

• 46:54Speaker 03

  You're the first black gay.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  I trust you two.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  You'd hope so.

• 46:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Al Murray was dropping.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Join the Patreon, join the Patreon.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  Behind that paywall, anything.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  These niggas behind it, behind the paywall, man.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  We have, we've had a couple of close shaves with the Minas Gortos.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  So the Napoleonic Wars kick off, which means that, uh, England and France are going at each other. Right? Gay shit, who cares?

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is gay, yes.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is gay.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  It's white gay stuff.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  Like we're all wearing like the fucking, got a plume in your hat, like it's very like.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  Corset.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  And then, uh, then the US, uh, and Britain start a war in 1812. And then the Brits at this point have got an amazing navy and US have got fuck all. So they find that, so when the war kicks off, the Americans can no longer patrol the Mediterranean. And the Brits, we go to the North Africans. Why don't you fucking start attacking, taking white slaves again, attacking American ships?

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Because we're pinning them down in America.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Really? I didn't know we were.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we, well, I say we. I never, when I say we in this context, I don't know which side of it. What should be on there? What is we?

• 48:03Speaker 03

  Was Britain supporting white slaves?

• 48:06Speaker 04

  But we too.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  Nah, not us, man.

• 48:09Speaker 04

  It's us too. We gotta say us or Tommy Robinson will get us out of here, man.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  It's true, yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, the million man, the million man white march is actually 50,000.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  I think it's more 40,000, actually.

• 48:20Speaker 04

  40,000, yeah. Yeah, but you guys, so you guys would. So you guys were basically like, oh, America, okay, you told them to take the white slaves back.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Just to get back at America.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  Sneaky, yeah.

• 48:30Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 48:30Speaker 05

  Very sneaky.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  So at this point, I think we might be trying, are we trying to end slavery in Africa in 1812 or is that a bit later? Because I think we're trying in the 18.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  So is this a period where we're, when do we try and end black slavery? That's 1840s, right?

• 48:42Speaker 02

  When is the quake? Because I don't know, but we're sort of using, the conversation's obviously around at this point.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  There's a lot of people who are like, this is immoral, this is awful.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  And there are some people who are sort of trying to weaponize it. Oh, fuck, it's 1807.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Do you think, so obviously now.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  England abolished slavery in 1834, but the first act's 1807. So before this.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  Obviously overly liberal people now are incredibly annoying and they always think that whatever they're saying is they're like fighting the slavery fight.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  Do you think back in the day that abolitionists were as annoying as the liberals now?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:13Speaker 03

  Do you, because, because.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  I find that very funny that they were.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Because it was, ah, actually, shut up.

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%, that's how it would have been.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  No, you should, if you're gonna have slaves, you need to treat them well.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Fuck off.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  It's a free country. Not for you, but for me it is.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  You're only saying that because you don't have a slave.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  It's the politics of envy.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  It is the politics of envy.

• 49:33Speaker 04

  That's the Confederacy, man. The Confederacy is that. Confederate flags.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  So, uh, yeah, so the, the, free the whites.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  Free the whites.

• 49:42Speaker 03

  I'm listening.

• 49:42Speaker 05

  I was gonna say free the mandem, but.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Free them men.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Yeah. Free them men.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  So by this point, yeah, the Brits basically weaponize it and they're like, hey, why don't you start needing whites, sticking, stealing slaves again? They then start and then.

• 49:59Speaker 03

  Second Barbary War.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the Brits and the Americans stopped that war and then the Barbary Pirates are caught with their trousers down because they're like.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  So you get the picture of Peter Mandelson?

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Yes, this is, and it's more Hugh Edwards, I think.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  Okay, right. Yeah, Hugh Edwards, yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  It's Hugh Edwards with his bum. Have you seen this pic?

• 50:15Speaker 03

  You must have seen this.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  I mean, this is pretty gay shit.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  I don't know, is this coming?

• 50:18Speaker 04

  Oh, I've seen you on the river, man.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  This is a bit, you getting this?

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, we see.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  You getting this, Andrew?

• 50:22Speaker 04

  This is how many like white Pidos there are. We forgot this brother. They just got like, you know how in the prem, you got the top six, isn't it?

• 50:29Speaker 05

  Big six.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Big six, but they got like.

• 50:30Speaker 03

  Mid-table, like the prem, every game.

• 50:32Speaker 04

  Good mid-table players that win FA Cups.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  No, no, no, sorry, you're talking about.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  This is Brentford, like.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 50:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, Bournemouth.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Hugh Edwards is like a super league founding member.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  You reckon?

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Do you think?

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  I'll come.

• 50:44Speaker 04

  Nah, man.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  He spoke at the Queen's funeral.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  He.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  He was buying charporn.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  He announced it. He announced it. He's a big player.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  And under the desk, the Queen is dying.

• 50:56Speaker 03

  He was not wearing trousers the entire time.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  The entire time.

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, so what we're saying, so he top, top four, top six?

• 51:02Speaker 05

  He's in the top six.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  I don't know, I'd say he, I'd say most Villa at Newcastle for me personally.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Nah, he announced the Queen dying.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, but what was he actually doing?

• 51:11Speaker 02

  He's buying, he's buying charporn for the fat guy in Wales.

• 51:13Speaker 03

  And Villa in the Champions League, we don't know, we don't know, we're all waiting. We're on tenterhooks.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Who's the top five though? Who's the top five?

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Pidos.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Savile, uh, take, uh, number one probably.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Gary?

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Harris, Glitter.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, Gary Harris.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Epstein, I mean Epstein.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  Epstein number two.

• 51:28Speaker 04

  God.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Epstein number one, man.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  Epstein, if you, if you really think about it, he's number one.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  I mean, there's a lot to learn for Epstein.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Ian Watkins, Ian Watkins, come on.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  Ian Watkins was a bit more over down the line.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  Oh, he's a bit mid-table though.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  You know when someone's not.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Because what he did was devastating.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  You know when someone's like not watched Breaking Bad and you're like, oh my God, you get to watch all of it the first time?

• 51:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  You don't know who Ian Watkins is?

• 51:48Speaker 04

  Ian Watkins was trauma time. Oh, he's the guy, he didn't get killed in jail?

• 51:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:51Speaker 04

  I know him now, I know him.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  That's who get killed.

• 51:53Speaker 04

  Oh wait, oh yeah, oh I just remembered what he did. Ain't no one that was with the baby. Aye!

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Cosby's not doing that.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Why are you being smug? Look at this.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Bem, come at me, Cosby's not doing that.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  Nah, Cosby not doing that.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Smug about Ian Watkins.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  It's like Roger Moore, Bem, Cosby's not doing that.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  Nah, Cosby not doing that.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 52:11Speaker 04

  He'd at least jog him first.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, paedophilia is a white sport.

• 52:14Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Paedophilia is a white sport.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  That is a, no, you lot are, you lot are winning.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  I don't want to take that away from that.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  That's what I wanted to get from this conversation.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  Honestly, you can have it. You can have it. But as long as you give us back the best slave, like, we the OG slave owners.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  We don't have much.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  We want that back.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, look, let's just finish the story. So the second, when the Britain American war in 1812 ends, the Barbaries are caught with their pants down, like you, Edwards, because suddenly America have got this very, like, trained navy that have got nothing to do. And so they then point their guns at the Barbaries, go, right, we're actually going to stop this properly. And then the Brits get involved with the Dutch and the French, I think. And so this whole, like, it's like, it's fucking Iraq. It's a coalition of the West.

• 53:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Coming to the Middle East.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  Coming to Iraq, yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  To, to stop it. So they sail aggressively.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  It's been happening.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  It's been happening for years. Yeah. So they, they sail along the North African coast with warships. This is gunboat diplomacy. So they basically, they capture ships and then they say, they go up to these ports and say, we're going to fucking ruin you. We're going to level your city unless you released all the white slaves that you've got. Uh, I think when they get to, is it Tripoli or Algiers, they, they released like 3,000 white slaves. Um, and then.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  We shall overcome.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Free at last, free at last.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  And then, um, and then there's one city, Algiers, in Algeria, that does not comply. And then, is it the Brits just send a massive gunboat and they fire 50,000 cannonballs into it?

• 53:45Speaker 04

  Algiers, like the Confederacy.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  They, they bazball Algiers, just bang, they flatten it. And then there's a treaty signed in 1815, uh, which basically is the death of the Barbary states as economic entities. So their entire economy is destroyed.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  So, yeah, so.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  They had a good run, though.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  They had a good run.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Two, 300 years.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  They had a good run.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  They don't get their flowers.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  1.25 billion Europeans.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, they don't, because people always talk about the Romans and that. I never heard of these guys.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  They had a good run. There's a bad quarter, Algiers.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  So they release American captives, they, they pay to compensate, they end the tribute demands. Uh, obviously, the American newspapers declare everyone a national hero. Uh, yeah, this is quite interesting. Decatur, the guy who leads the Second Barbary War, says, "Our country, in her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right, but our country, right or wrong?" So basically, that's laying, that's American foreign policy.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  And then on in, we're always right wherever we go.

• 54:42Speaker 04

  Decatur, another place named Atlanta.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  What?

• 54:46Speaker 04

  There's a place called, there's a place called Decatur in Atlanta.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Is there?

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  The Outcast.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Probably is named after him.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  So yeah, then, so then, uh, the European powers, after the Napoleonic wars, they then reached a consensus, so they go to Algeria and they level it in 1816, that's when that happens. Uh, and they abolish Christian enslavement.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  But white slavery still carries on until the French Algerian war in 1830, I think, when they actually fully end it, and, uh...

• 55:14Speaker 03

  That's kind of the end of white slavery.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Finally, the scourge of white slavery.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  But it carries on in the east, in the Ottoman Empire.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Yes, and, and to be fair, um, I mean, there's sex slavery now, basically, is what it is. Human trafficking, it's called human trafficking now, but it is basically what...

• 55:28Speaker 03

  They could have taken white slaves and that.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  So, uh, by 1830, white slavery has been, uh, defeated. Uh, it would be another 35 years until African slavery, black slavery was stopped.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Was it, was it harmony then?

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Hey?

• 55:43Speaker 03

  No, it's over till it was stopped, not started.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  Oh, stopped?

• 55:45Speaker 03

  Stopped, so it's, it's going on.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  Simultaneously?

• 55:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, god, yeah.

• 55:49Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, did you not, from the time, that's what I'm saying, the whole time we're talking about this, I just keep thinking about the other side.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Because this is a discussion of white slavery.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  The whole time, I'm looking at the timelines, I'm like, but weren't these men...

• 56:01Speaker 02

  It's irrelevant what's going on.

• 56:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Okay, what's funny is that the same people who were running the black slaves were fighting a war to stop white slavery.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Stop white slavery.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  It didn't even stop.

• 56:13Speaker 05

  That's white privilege.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  That is, I mean, to be fair, that is white privilege.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  That's white privilege. Right there, summed up.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  You owning black slaves, ending slavery somewhere else.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  Kai.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Kai.

• 56:23Speaker 05

  It's good to be white, man.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  How's it feel though, for real?

• 56:27Speaker 03

  It's not bad, actually.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Cause I think, a lot of people are complaining about it at the minute, but I still think it's pretty good.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  I would say, yeah, cause we, I, I say, like, to me, when I hear whites complain, like, about losing, losing your stuff.

• 56:39Speaker 03

  Uh, it's not as good as it was.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  But this is what I mean though, but I said this to Andrew the other time, yeah? It's, it's basically that, like, what white people do, it's like, they're like, it's like the Bundesliga.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Twenty of the leagues, you win sixteen, but every now and again... Leverkusen get one, Dortmund get one and then they march in the street.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  What's the analogy? So who's?

• 57:01Speaker 05

  You're Bayern.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  You're Bayern Munich.

• 57:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  The white men that are complaining that white men are losing everything, you're Bayern Munich.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Are you saying that like maybe the kind of the woke era that was Leverkusen winning a league?

• 57:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  And then we're back to it, you know, yeah, I see what you mean.

• 57:15Speaker 04

  The woke era, all it was is Leverkusen won one league, you still won everything. Let them have one.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  And all Bayern fans were like pissed off that Leverkusen won it. It's like you won nine out of 10 leagues.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  Exactly. So Bayern fans were in the street going, oh, it's changed, it's woke.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  See, the thing is, when I look at the Bayern league, I often think, because Arsenal only just won a league, I think City, doesn't it get boring winning? But now I know being white, it doesn't get boring.

• 57:38Speaker 04

  It doesn't, it doesn't get boring.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Winning always feels good.

• 57:45Speaker 04

  That's what it is. Winning always feels good.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  It's always good.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  It never gets boring.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  You can comedians say the same jokes for 20 years.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  The thing is also, every now and then you need to lose to remember how good it is to win.

• 57:56Speaker 03

  So you're saying that the kind of the Black Lives Matter, all of that period, it's made us feel sweeter?

• 58:01Speaker 02

  It gave me a good perspective on how good white privilege is.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  You've got to put it in context.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  I've got to say thank you so much for the Black Lives Matter movement for reminding me what I have.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, I think that is important.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  That's what I took from it anyway.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  That's the right lesson.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  That's what was meant to be taken.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  I think that's what we meant to do. That's what we were trying to communicate.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Well, this has been an enthralling conversation.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  It really has.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  It also says, check out your pod, we saw that.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  Follow your Instagram, your cover clips are fucking awesome.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  You do, you do shows every, every month, every week?

• 58:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, it used to be one a month.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Top secret.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, three a month. It's last Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of every month.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  I will say, if you're watching this and you buy tickets, you will stand out.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, you will, you will.

• 58:46Speaker 05

  Man, we get whites though, we get whites.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  What kind of whites?

• 58:50Speaker 02

  The whites don't show up, in the clips, you know, the whites don't show up. The clips are black on black violence, let's be, let's be real now.

• 58:57Speaker 05

  Nah, nah, we got a few.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  But fuck me, it's funny.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe what kind of whites are we talking?

• 59:00Speaker 04

  Cool whites.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  Cool whites, clean trainer whites?

• 59:03Speaker 05

  Clean trainer whites. They got mixed race girls.

• 59:05Speaker 04

  They got mixed race girls, yeah. Never whites with whites.

• 59:07Speaker 03

  Because what whites are we bringing?

• 59:08Speaker 02

  Pink safari suit whites.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a white.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  We've got sort of like Star Wars t-shirt white.

• 59:13Speaker 04

  One of my friends is a white, Nico, shout out Nico, one of my whites, he loves you guys, man.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, of course he would, yeah. We're big in white culture, man.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Neckbeard whites.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  So is Nico fully white? Is it, or is there anything?

• 59:24Speaker 04

  Is it what's right?

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Is it cut with anything, Nico?

• 59:26Speaker 04

  Him, he's Mexican.

• 59:28Speaker 05

  Ah, it's not pure info.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  He's Mexican, he's, he's a...

• 59:31Speaker 02

  I don't know how he found us, to be honest.

• 59:34Speaker 04

  He's Mexican.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Well, check out, we saw that on all the platforms. You guys want to plug anything? Any shows?

• 59:39Speaker 05

  Uh, no, not really. Yeah, we saw that all the shows are sold out until...

• 59:43Speaker 04

  We don't really, like, it's not, we're happy you're plugging it, but we don't really need your support.

• 59:47Speaker 05

  We don't, man. You are white slaves.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Wow. Well, quite, yeah.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, we don't really need it.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  But no, we appreciate you guys.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, but thanks.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  An interview, sir.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're doing, this is us giving back, this is reparations, that's why we're here.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Uh, so Barry and Andrew, you're gonna stick around, we're gonna do the Patreon, uh, which is on Black Caesar.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  Black Caesar, yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Uh, and, uh, other than that, we'll see you next week for a brand new topic. From all of us here, goodbye and God bless.

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