#580 - Seething Resentment, Lance Legstrong and Director Deputy Director General

Horrific. Seething. Resentful. No, those aren’t the words which Dave is feeling towards City’s owners today. Rather it’s the state of Elis’s head right now. He’s hungover. Yes he’s been on a bender and is quite delicate. As he handles such a dainty state we’re left to stare down the barrel of a listener idea which gives him such anxiety he’d like to just go work on a farm. However, it could potentially win Best Sponsored Character Assassination at the British Podcast Awards. There’s also niche discussion on David Pannick, we hear why Elis might be bad at anagrams, and did Ryan Giggs have more caps than Ethan Ampadu? Make sure to tune in on Tuesday because Elis’s intro is going to be extra weak. We might even hear 5 Live Away Day Part 9. Our latest Adventures episode, a long awaited return to an escape room is out now HERE! https://www.patreon.com/elisandjohn/posts/adventure-7-room-170802331/ For lots of exclusive EJJR #content, join our Patreon at patreon.com/elisandjohn. For weekly visual highlights, head to youtube.com/@elisandjohn. For everything else, head to elisandjohn.com. The Elis James and John Robins Show is a Significant Production. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:33Speaker 01

  Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Elis James and John Robbins Show, where we have travelled back in time to 2016. And one of us is a little bit hungover.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  See.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  We don't get that much anymore, considering we start at 11am.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  What we should say is, it's not you, thank God.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  That would be a good show, though. Awards, Dave?

• 1:56Speaker 02

  No, it wouldn't.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Didn't get a nom last night at the BPAs?

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Oh, we've had enough.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  We'd get an award.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  What, if you came in hammered?

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, best relapse.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  If we play a clip of me absolutely lashed.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, maybe win a visual innovation, I don't know. What, if you were sick on the camera? Yeah, impact, win best impact award, absolutely.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Technicolor broadcast.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Um, no, I saw a photo on Instagram of a father of two having a half pint of mild and

• 2:28Speaker 02

  What? Where was this?

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Uh, well, no, it wasn't on Instagram, it was on in our text group.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Oh, right, okay.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, Ellis was smiling and bounding around the Betsy Trotwood pub.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  With a little, little half.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Little half, was it?

• 2:43Speaker 01

  And look at him now, going over to his rucksack, saying he wants to die. He's 45.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Does it bring it all come rushing back, John?

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Does it bring it all come rushing back?

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's how I say it, actually. I don't know, you want to use English language, but

• 2:57Speaker 01

  You know, there's, there is a certain, I'm about to, the, yes, it does.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Okay, good. Okay, I don't

• 3:06Speaker 00

  So it brings it all come rushing back to John, sorry about that.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Okay, it brings it all come rushing back.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Talk me through it.

• 3:13Speaker 00

  You sure?

• 3:16Speaker 00

  The great Lloyd Langford, uh, back from Australia.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:21Speaker 00

  I've not seen him, I don't think, since Joshua Dickens' wedding, which is in 2019.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Good grief, in Spain?

• 3:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  So he, I, he did Edinburgh, but I wasn't in Edinburgh that year, a couple of years ago.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Well, did he live in Australia?

• 3:36Speaker 00

  He lives in Australia, he's doing really well in Australia, he's quite a big star in Australia.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Oh, cool.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  And he's an old friend of ours, me and John, we've both known him, Lloyd, for years and years. He's such a fantastic bloke.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:48Speaker 00

  So he was back.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Dave, he talks like this.

• 3:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  That's his voice.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Oh, who am I thinking of?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  I could listen to it all day.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've just, I've been thinking of Lloyd Griffiths in my head the whole time.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  No, I saw Lloyd Griffith last week.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Okay, Lloyd Langford, I do not know.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  I took photos of Lloyd Griffith's calves to send to a sort of calf WhatsApp group, I mean, because Lloyd Griffith has the nicest legs of any man I've ever met.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Hmm, okay.

• 4:13Speaker 00

  Anyway, so Lloyd Langford was back, so it was, uh, me, the great Matt Ford, the great Ivo Graham, and the great Ed Gamble. And we went for a drink. And I've burnt the candle at both ends this week, because I went to Portugal last week to watch Wales lose.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  And I'm

• 4:33Speaker 01

  What an odd thing to do with your spare time.

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  I'm, I'm, I'm a

• 4:37Speaker 01

  And you knew they were going to lose before you went, didn't you?

• 4:40Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  I think I'll be doing a lot of that with my spare time soon, knowing how things are going with my football club. So I'll be in Ellis's camp.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Well, Dave, you just watched them lose 10 years of trophies.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so I'll be in Ellis's camp, and it'll be a good use of time.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  It will be a good use of time.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  You can go to the official stripping.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Oh, that'd be good, it'd be a parade.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Asterix parade.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  When they, when they strip Lance Armstrong, and from now on, we refer to Man City as the Lance Armstrong of football.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Uh, different in a way, actually.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Well, no, because they're basically injecting money into their veins, Dave.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  Okay, um, fine.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  The people who came second in the Tour de France to Lance Armstrong are not regarded as the winners of the Tour de France.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Are they not?

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 5:23Speaker 00

  There are no winners of the Tour de France for seven years.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Um, so when you are stripped of a title, is there any official ceremony, or does someone just update the Wikipedia page?

• 5:32Speaker 00

  Well, I can't think of

• 5:33Speaker 01

  I wonder if people are already doing that.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  It's unprecedented, it's uncharted territory.

• 5:37Speaker 00

  It is uncharted territory, because obviously Rangers went down to the fourth tier, didn't they, in Scotland? Juventus were relegated. But I can't think of any teams that have had, maybe in other countries I'm not aware of, but I can't think of any teams that have had their league titles stripped from them.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  But when Lance Armstrong was stripped of his medals or his jerseys, did they go and remove them from his trophy cabinet?

• 5:58Speaker 00

  That is a very good question, and I don't know.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  But he could just say, I've lost them. And then he still has them.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  He could.

• 6:08Speaker 00

  A bit embarrassing. If the governing body turns up at your house to get your jerseys back, and you go, do you know what, I bloody, I put them in a bag somewhere, and I've left them, I've left them in a bag.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  I lent them to a friend.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, who's made if it wasn't screwed up?

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Who's getting into cycling and needing, needed some jerseys.

• 6:26Speaker 00

  A friend of mine wanted to hold them.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, gone and left them in his ruddy hand.

• 6:33Speaker 00

  Blimmin', get them back.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  And do you know what, they believe him. He's a, he's a salt of the earth guy.

• 6:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, how long did they give you? Would they be like knocking at the door? And he's like, sorry, I'm looking for them. Yeah, hold on, hold on.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Look into it, Dave.

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  I'll be two minutes.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:46Speaker 00

  Sorry, I blimmin', do you know, I left them on the, on a blimmin' ferry.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  So does Lance Armstrong still have his trophies? Have they all been put in the bin?

• 6:59Speaker 01

  I wonder if they stripped, if they stripped me of my Edinburgh Comedy Award.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  What for?

• 7:04Speaker 00

  What for, John? What have you done? I'm just a bit hungover. What did you do?

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Um, gross misconduct.

• 7:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  But anyway.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Or white collar crime.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Maybe I like, like the bearings bank guy.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  Nicholson.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  A lovely little harmless crime.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  That meant, that your punishment, was they stripped you of half of your com, or half of the 2017 Edinburgh Comedy Award?

• 7:29Speaker 00

  Hammagadsby, she's in the clear.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  She's in the clear, she's not, she's not guilty of financial wrongdoing, yeah. But if I crash the economy, if I trust it.

• 7:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Might I be stripped of my, half of the Edinburgh Comedy Award for bringing it into disrepute?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  How are you crashing the economy? Should have interest.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Well, Dave, I have a lot of influence in Whitehall and Number 10 and the Treasury. What if I start spreading rumours about New Tech?

• 7:58Speaker 02

  But that's not, that's not got anything to do with your, your win at Edinburgh.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  I

• 8:03Speaker 02

  So that's not you.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  The headline would be, Edinburgh, a comedy award winner crashes economy somehow.

• 8:11Speaker 00

  I think that if you crashed the British economy.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  Really badly, which had a profound effect on everyone who lives in the UK.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Bond markets.

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  The bond markets, inflation, interest rate, the works.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  We're downgraded by, like, uh

• 8:25Speaker 00

  Oh, from AA to

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  To C.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  To C.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  If that happened.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Moody's. I was thinking of Moody's.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  If that happened.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  I think that the British public wouldn't regard you being stripped of half of the Edinburgh Comedy Award from 2017 as enough of a punishment. I think they'd want

• 8:43Speaker 01

  More of a punishment than most all of the bankers got in the

• 8:46Speaker 00

  Good stuff, good stuff. Oh, yeah, you'd still get your 16 million pound bonus somehow. But no, I don't think it's good enough.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Um, Lance Armstrong.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Uh, still has his physical items and replicas from his career, but he was officially stripped of his seven Tour de France titles. And, uh, he was, so he was forced to return official medals and prize money, but he famously keeps his framed yellow jerseys hanging in his office at home.

• 9:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:12Speaker 02

  Stating in interviews that no one's come to take them down.

• 9:13Speaker 00

  I think they might, aren't they in the background of his podcast?

• 9:17Speaker 02

  He's got a podcast.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  That would be mad.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  Is it?

• 9:20Speaker 02

  I can't remember.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  It's funny that

• 9:22Speaker 00

  His podcast looks, the visuals are quite good on Lance Armstrong's podcast.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  He should have changed his name to Lance Legstrong, shouldn't he? Has anyone said that in stand-up?

• 9:31Speaker 01

  I'm ready, I'm back.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Right, that would, that would warrant a stripping of the Edinburgh title, jokes like that.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  So Ellis is hungover, he's met with Lloyd Langford, he's met with

• 9:41Speaker 00

  Matt Ford.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Matt Ford.

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  Ivo Graham.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  He's met with Ivo Graham.

• 9:45Speaker 00

  And Ed Gamble.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  So he's got a mix of homely comforts of Wales, extraordinary constitution, agitated energy and fundraising at short notice, and Ed Gamble, who likes food.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  We had such a good time. Is he not traitoring on a Thursday, or is that all pre, am I just being thick?

• 10:07Speaker 01

  If you know Ed Gamble like I do, Dave, he's traitoring every day of the week.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 10:11Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 10:12Speaker 00

  He went home earlier than everyone else because he was traitors uncloaking twice today.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Today, right, okay.

• 10:19Speaker 00

  Um, but

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Which is when you reveal the traitors, it doesn't mean they've had their cloaks removed due to cheating.

• 10:25Speaker 00

  No, but I went home, um, later than him, because I've arrived later, and he gave me a second wind that actually, in retrospect, I didn't have or deserve.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Ivo's got wind to spare.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  He has, he gives second wind.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  Not wind in that sense, but he's got such energy.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  When I went to see Geese, he just suddenly, out of nowhere, ran, started running up and down the alley, the little gaps in the crowd, and then came and we didn't even know who was there. Suddenly there's an, an Ivo in your pie.

• 10:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, and also, Matt Ford has got such great energy.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, he's a consistent breeze.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, what a man.

• 11:03Speaker 00

  So, you know, you're seeing Matt Ford smell Ivo Graham's football shirts and squealing with delight. I'm like, wherever, why haven't I got this energy? And they'll both be fine today.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Will they?

• 11:17Speaker 00

  They'll both feel absolutely right as rain physically. And yet I am a mess. I didn't even drink.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know. I've, I've, you know, I've seen Forty in some pretty tight squeezes the next day, but he has a way of overriding it.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  And I think part of that is a belief in a better Britain.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  And, you know, faith in the third way.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Whereas you, politically, right now, are all out at sea.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  God, yeah.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  You don't know what's happening.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  I don't know what I want.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 11:47Speaker 00

  Do I, do I want proportional representation?

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Do you want a flat rate of VAT across all products?

• 11:53Speaker 00

  I can't.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Just to simplify the system?

• 11:54Speaker 00

  I just can't answer that, John. I can't, and I won't answer that.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  And you would leave early to pick Betty up from?

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  From football club.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  From football club.

• 12:03Speaker 00

  Yes, you do.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  So we're all marching to the beat of a hungover drum.

• 12:07Speaker 00

  Ah, I've got some. Do you know what I do?

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Podcasts about football.

• 12:13Speaker 00

  And I resent you.

• 12:16Speaker 00

  I woke up this morning and I felt horrific. And my second thought was, I resent John. Because he will feel right as rain today.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  I did get eight hours last night.

• 12:29Speaker 00

  Eight hours.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  What did you drink? Please, in order?

• 12:31Speaker 00

  Um, I drank a margarita.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  What, in order?

• 12:36Speaker 02

  You kicked off with margarita?

• 12:38Speaker 00

  No, no, I kicked off with a few pints of bitter.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  How many is a few, would you say?

• 12:43Speaker 00

  Oh, I can't, I can't remember. Then I had a.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Try and remember.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  I don't want to remember. It actually wasn't.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Try and remember.

• 12:49Speaker 00

  I don't want to remember.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  I want to remember.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  Stop making me resent you.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say two pints bitter.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Do you know what's interesting is that I drank.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  No, what's interesting is what you drank in order.

• 13:00Speaker 00

  Right, I drank far more, I drank far more in Portugal on Thursday.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  But I began the night out with a very heavy meal.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 13:11Speaker 00

  And then I drank far more and the next day I had to get up early to fly back to London. And as I walked to the, as I was walking through the airport, I thought, oh my God, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just tough.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  You're a mega machine.

• 13:24Speaker 00

  I'm a tough guy. I had a couple of coffees and I felt completely fine. I reckon I drank less than half of what I drank in Portugal. And I, but because I didn't eat, I just feel really bad. So then I had a couple of pints of bitter, then I had a Guinness. And then I had a margarita with my Guinness. Because Lloyd said it would get us going.

• 13:49Speaker 00

  And then we went, we did eventually, we went to a restaurant and I had, I think, a lager and some, and maybe another lager and something else in the restaurant, I think. And then I was about to go home. Gamble had pulled the plug. At 11 o'clock, Gamble said, I'm traitors and clocking tomorrow. I've got to go. And at that point, it was 11 or two, they'd called.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Did Forty call him a traitor?

• 14:12Speaker 00

  Um, Forty, Forty did try to persuade Ed.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  You know, he, he pulled the cancer card.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  He's got a plan.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  I've had cancer.

• 14:22Speaker 00

  Cancer.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Who knows how long I'll be? I might not make last orders.

• 14:28Speaker 00

  He was like, Lloyd, come from Australia and I've had cancer, Ed.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're going home early.

• 14:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 00

  And I was going, yeah, come on, Ed. I didn't really have as much sort of, you know, I didn't have as many emotional strings to pull. And then, um, but Ed was, Ed was physically and mentally strong and was able to leave. And if I'd left then, I'd feel absolutely fine. But I ended up getting home at about half past one and then I fell asleep on the sofa and I wake up at, woke up at three.

• 14:57Speaker 02

  This is no good.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  On the sofa for a wee and then I needed to sleep in the attic because alcohol makes me snore. So then I woke up at six because the attic bed is uncomfortable. And then I went downstairs because I thought, I'm not gonna snore now. Surely it's out my system. Then I'd forgotten that Izzy was filming today and she had to wake up at half past six. So then that got me up and then the resentment began to sort of seethe. So then I couldn't get back to sleep and then I had to do the school run and it, and I did, um. On a Friday, you go into and you, you help your kids read, um, for the first half an hour. And I've got to be honest.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  It's cheating hour.

• 15:30Speaker 00

  I really was following that in.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  This morning? Wow, what were you reading?

• 15:36Speaker 00

  A bus, a book about foxes.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  A bus?

• 15:39Speaker 00

  A book about foxes.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Book about foxes.

• 15:42Speaker 00

  I was like, come on, Steph, mate, page two, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  They live in a den, they live in a den, the children are called cubs.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Some, sometimes kits.

• 15:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:53Speaker 00

  Get on, move on, move on.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Uh, I was in bed at nine.

• 15:57Speaker 00

  Nine.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Did the spelling bee.

• 15:59Speaker 00

  I'd kill for that.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Um, got to genius level, didn't quite get to queen bee, uh, read Danny Champion of the World in French with my bow, B E A U X. Then listened to it in English, uh, then slept for, I think, actually eight and a half hours. Yeah.

• 16:16Speaker 00

  I.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Then had a cup of tea, did the wordle, got it in.

• 16:18Speaker 00

  This morning?

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Mind you.

• 16:20Speaker 00

  This morning?

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then, um.

• 16:22Speaker 00

  This morning, as I walked to school, oh my God. I just, I, I, I caught sight of my reflection in a car door.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 00

  And I thought, that guy looks bad.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Might have just been the driver.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  God, I don't look like myself.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  Got blonde hair. I'm a little Chinese lady.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I'm smoking a fag in a car with the windows up.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  When did I start driving a lorry?

• 16:51Speaker 01

  So two pints bitter, one margarita, one Guinness, two lager. What, what happened after Ed left?

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Uh, I, I had a, I definitely had a lager in the Betsy Dropwood.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  But I think, I think I called it quits after the Betsy, after that, I think.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  I think you can usually add one or two more drinks to, to, to that sort of thing.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  We're looking at minimum six pints and a margarita.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which for a man of his age.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'll feel that.

• 17:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  It's because I hadn't eaten. I didn't, I, you know, I, I, I, I'd, I'd read meat in Portugal and some chips.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  And it really, really lined the stomach, but I hadn't done that last night. And that was an error. I tell you, in Portugal, for a couple of hours, we sat and played the Welsh Internationals cap game, higher or lower.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  So for instance, you know, you would name, I don't know, Simon Davis, who used to play for Tottenham and Everton and Fulham.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Fifty-four.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is, it's in the 50s, I think it's 59, something like that. And then the next person's higher than you. So you've got to name someone who's got more caps, Mark Hughes.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Hal Robson, can't he?

• 17:59Speaker 00

  Uh, a few were caps in Simon, I thought, that's unfortunate. Yeah, yeah. So this is, the game is a good game.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  It is a good game.

• 18:04Speaker 00

  But we played that for about two hours and I thought, isn't life simple?

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:09Speaker 00

  This is incredibly simple. And then a friend of mine, who pointed out that we hadn't asked each other how our wives were.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  I like you.

• 18:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. He said, he said, none of us have, have asked each other how our families are. We've just talked about. We've just tried to guess whether Ryan Giggs' gigs had more caps than Ethan Ampadu. And I was like, okay. Then we had an emotional two minutes where we asked each other how we felt for 120 seconds. I thought, life can be simple if you make it.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 18:40Speaker 00

  But yeah, but how are you, John? You just, you just look so alive.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  I am alive.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, you look well.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Definitely alive.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  Look well and rested and your skin's good and you've got a pink t-shirt on.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  I've got a pink t-shirt on. Skin's not great. Uh, getting new types of skin problem, which is always fun.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Just to, you know, check out.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, just, oh, that's new, that's new. That's a new bit of you that's gone wrong. Just little sort of dots on the old forehead. Not ideal when we're filming content for premiering later.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  I don't want people to associate it with their beds, which I think are fantastic.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Right, okay.

• 19:17Speaker 00

  What is it? Ringworm? On the forehead?

• 19:22Speaker 01

  I think it's a week of cheese.

• 19:25Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  I've had a week of cheese.

• 19:27Speaker 00

  Where did you go?

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Uh, well, I don't know if we've got time to talk about it now because I wasn't expecting you to be hungover, but I went to, uh, Les Alpes.

• 19:37Speaker 00

  Oh, lovely.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  And if you are trying to avoid aged cheese, pickled veg, uh, and, uh.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  What was the, tomatoes? I would say Italy is not the place for you.

• 19:52Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  So I didn't avoid them. I ate them.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Oh, went in Rome?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Went in Rome, went a long way from Rome, but in the same country as Rome.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  Do as they do in Domodossola.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  So, yeah, skin took a bit of a battering, but it'll recover. It always will. And then I'll die. So I think what are we worried about, crying out loud?

• 20:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Just get on with it.

• 20:13Speaker 00

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• 21:24Speaker 01

  Now, we're going to enter into the ring fence zone. And then you cut there, Dave, so that people are excited about what we're about to talk about.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Were you, yeah, I mean, there was an edit point five seconds before that.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  But with loads of explosions and stuff, put it in post and lasers.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, machine guns.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 21:40Speaker 00

  And the final thing, I want it to be a hand grenade.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Okay, we do, we do have all those sound effects from the tour, actually, funnily enough, but yeah, okay.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Because I have just witnessed what I believe to be the greatest work of video editing in the history of cinematography.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Dave showed me the trailer for our most recent Adventures of Ellis and John episode. And I've got to say, I smell Oscars.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Yes, well, yes. I mean, I was at the British Podcast Awards last night and there is a visual, or is it video innovation award? And I thought, you know what, next year, they may as well not bother showing up for this category.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Unfortunately though, Dave, it's not a podcast, is it?

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Don't know, we, there are loopholes.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Don't know, there are loopholes, as the Man City fan. There's always a way.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  I've checked the rubrics, love the word rubrics. And I think, I think it's, I think we're all right.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. Let's pay David Panic quarter of a million pound a week to make us eligible for the British Podcast Awards.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  And then by next year, he, we will have paid him around £10, £10.5 million to win us the, fingers crossed it's gold, and make him bronze to a video innovation.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  To get nominated.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, to get the nom.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  So the trailer is out for the escape room adventure. It is superb. Go and find it on our Instagram, Dave.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Instagram, TikTok, oh, is it on YouTube, Joe? Our social media producer says it's on YouTube as well.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  Snapchat.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  It's, it's the best, because we do a trailer for every adventure. And they're always fantastic because our video producer Gareth makes it and he is fantastic. But I have watched.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  Signing, he is.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Great signing.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Incredible signing.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  What a signing.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  I have watched the trailer for the escape room.

• 23:31Speaker 00

  Get him on a nine and a half year contract like Erling Haaland.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  I've watched it about 10 times. I just, at some points during the BPAs last night, I was just a little bit bored and I just put on the trailer again. Because it's that good.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  The final 10 seconds is very, very fun.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  And we should say it's a great ep.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  The trailer.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  The episode is, and you can watch the full episode at patreon.com/ellisonjohn.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Correct, it's there now.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  It's there now. Are we going to play a clip, Dave?

• 23:56Speaker 02

  We will play a clip, there's a couple of comments already coming in because it is live, of course.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  Comments are coming in fast.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  So Martin on Instagram has asked, did Ellis drink the water again? Ellis, did you drink the potion?

• 24:06Speaker 00

  No, that is, I keep saying that was a low ep. I just have so many low eps, but that was, that was a particular low ep.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also about Ellis, this is from Phil on Patreon. Ellis really does need to be on Taskmaster, doesn't he? What an audition tape this would make.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Yes, I.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  I mean, you sat on the floor three times.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  I will, when Ellis is on Taskmaster, I will turn off my phone at 9pm every Thursday and I will be uncontacted.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  I might even ask, I think I could probably pull strings to see some early rushes.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  To see some longer edits.

• 24:45Speaker 00

  The reason I don't particularly want to promote this ep is I cannot think of anything that brings my cognitive decline into sharper focus.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  But you come across as a good person.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Oh, you do, you do, actually.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  You're a great wingman for John.

• 24:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, like a big, thick dog.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, but who like, people like dogs more than people.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  And Liv makes a good point on YouTube. She says, everyone's playing to their strengths.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  And I think we really did.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  Because I hold some stuff.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, brilliantly, brilliantly.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Well, it didn't drop a thing.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Didn't drop a thing. Blumming thing. So the escape room adventure, we release an adventure every month on patreon.com/ellisonjohn is out today. It's always an exciting day when we release our adventures eps because we blumming love doing them. And there is a little, little montage, shall we hear it?

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Here we go.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  We are having another attempt at an escape room.

• 25:36Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Okay, Dave, there are four walls, there's a floor and a ceiling. That's four and two, two, four, seven, eight, we're looking for an eight, eight something. Eight, well, the Roman numeral for eight is V, three I's. It's not an anagram. Ellis, think, think.

• 25:50Speaker 00

  Henry the Eighth.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  What do we win if we solve the most puzzles out of all of us?

• 25:54Speaker 02

  King of the puzzles.

• 25:56Speaker 00

  King of the puzzles, doesn't take much, does it?

• 25:57Speaker 01

  We really want to be king of the puzzles.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  You just have to be king of the puzzles.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  So John is absolutely flying here. Well, Ellis is there as well.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Ellis is there as well, Dave.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  You did the first three, Dave, you complete shell.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  They leave them open if they're open and then tell me the names of the open ones, please, Ellis.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  And then tell him you love him. Pull, pull through the chrono gates, open, I love you.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Roger that.

• 26:29Speaker 00

  Pulling tomorrow closer is open, I love you.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Roger that.

• 26:33Speaker 00

  Gravity's pull is open and I love you.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Roger and release.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Oh, we've done it, Ellis, again, me and you have done it together.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Well done, everyone.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  CS4, everything is information, Ellis.

• 26:47Speaker 00

  What do you press down?

• 26:49Speaker 02

  No, forget it.

• 26:50Speaker 00

  I just, I just want to know for myself now.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Press the padlock down and it spring loads out.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  Oh, yes, it is.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  Oh, I don't own a padlock.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  I've got, I've got loads.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Ellis, we're in, John.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  I do have loads of padlocks.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 00

  You, I'd, I'd not heard that montage, so we just played it. But the one thing I've taken from that day is a thing you said, which is actually in the montage, when you said, everything is information.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  So we walked into the first room.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Well, don't give too much away, but go on, give a little bit away.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  But I think that all the time now. I'm always thinking John would say everything is information. So I do, I do a quick crossword most days. And I look at the clues, I'm like, remember?

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Nothing's there as a joke.

• 27:42Speaker 00

  No, remember John's mantra, there's no fat on a crossword clue.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Well, sometimes there is if you, if you follow the minute cryptic.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Is that a dig?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Sometimes their clues don't follow the conventional.

• 27:56Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Rules which mean they're unfair to solve.

• 27:59Speaker 00

  I told a crossword clue to, I told a crossword clue to F off the other day.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 28:03Speaker 00

  Because if you do it on a phone, obviously you can do the cheat and then it tells you what the answer is. And the answer was so.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  What was it?

• 28:10Speaker 00

  I can't remember, but I was barking at the wrong tree.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 28:12Speaker 00

  I was in the wrong, I was in the wrong forest.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 00

  And I just thought, F off, come on, no one says that anymore.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  It's also good for when you're watching TV and films, Richard Osman talks about it, everything is, there's, there's never anything, he's got a word for it as well, and I can't remember, he talks about it in The Rest is Entertainment where if something that feels a bit insignificant at the time is mentioned in an episode, always be very careful to never miss those things because he, you guarantee that will be the callback for later on. There's like a word for it where things are placed, but never just think something is there because it's there. It's, it's always there as a reason for there a callback later on in the end.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Well, that, yeah, I think that's true when it's like, when you're thinking about plot. But then I think often with like the great films, sometimes stuff is just there because it's there.

• 28:57Speaker 00

  I had to watch, yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  And you go to the director afterwards and say, oh, is that a reference to, you know, the, the, in, in like The Godfather, there's, I'm sure there is just stuff that happened because there was a nice shadow and the director of photography went, oh, if we get that shot, we get that in. And that frames it quite nicely.

• 29:15Speaker 00

  I had to.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  And then people say, oh, that represents the claustrophobia of being in the mafia. And you're like, it's not always true.

• 29:22Speaker 00

  No.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  It's called Chekhov's gun, is that right?

• 29:25Speaker 00

  I had to re-watch Fight Club for Distant Pod the other day, which I'd not seen.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  What is Distant Pod?

• 29:30Speaker 00

  So the socially distant sports bar.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  But what are you watching Fight Club for? What's that called?

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Because we do a spin off.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Michael Owen's film club.

• 29:38Speaker 00

  Michael Owen's movie club, which is a, and you know, fighting is a sort of sport. Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  What, what's your favourite film? Raging Bull.

• 29:48Speaker 00

  My favourite film ever?

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I know this because we did it as a quiz four weeks ago.

• 29:54Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, okay.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, still in the ring fence, which is fine, having a good time.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And then we switch back halfway through a conversation to the regular episode.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Let's, let's wrap up. What I'm saying, that I'd forgotten the ending. But then when you know the ending, there's a lot of Easter eggs throughout the film that you're like, what? Why is he, why is he doing that? And then obviously it all makes sense. So I think it's one of those films that would benefit from a second watch.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Well, there's a good quote from a documentary about the, this group that meet up to watch The Shining every year. And they say, you know, they go through it frame by frame. So they will watch and pause and watch and pause and talk about it. And they say, we, something like, we always find it, it's not necessarily there, but we always find it. Just about the sort of symbolism in the shot. So often you can invent.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Invent intention where there was none.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  So.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Still a good film.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Good film.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  Speaking of good films.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Speaking of good films.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Our adventures episode is now available at patreon.com/ellisonjohn. And speaking of films, Thirst would make a pretty good film and that's still available to buy online. No, it'd be a terrible film, no one would watch it.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know.

• 31:11Speaker 00

  Happy ending.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 31:13Speaker 00

  Some mega mad stuff at the start and in the middle and near the end.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  There'd be a love, the scene with you and Lou under the tree would be absolutely lovely.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  It would actually.

• 31:22Speaker 00

  Who would play Lou?

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Who would play Lou? Is it Helen Mirren?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  No, Dave. Helen Mirren is, I think, 35 years older than Lou.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Something with Helen Mirren at the moment. She's first name that pops in the spin. There's no real, you know, no real connection there at all, actually.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Is it Olivia Colman?

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Is it Olivia Colman?

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 31:43Speaker 02

  No, that's good.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 31:47Speaker 00

  Catherine Parkinson, I think would do a good job.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Yes. Is it the lady, is she the lady who was in Sherlock that I did 15 weakest link with? And I went out in the first round, which I think we managed to avoid covering on this podcast.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  We need to get out of the ring fence at this stage.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, thank you very much for listening on the Patreon feed or on the regular RSS feed. We appreciate your time.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Oh, next adventure is Dancing with Dave. There are a couple of tickets in the circle left. All standing has sold out, but if you fancied having a bit more of a chilled experience for Dancing with Dave, there are some seats, tickets left.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:28Speaker 00

  Okay, and we're back. We're out of the ring fence zone.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  We are. Do we leave that in? Do the people who don't hear the ring fence zone know there is a ring fenced zone?

• 32:38Speaker 02

  No, we try not to.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  So Ellis saying we're back will be cut out.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  And me saying we're going to the ring fence zone with all the explosions will be left out.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Let's just pick up from what we're doing next.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  I was talking about my skin and Italy, Dave.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. So, and then we went to ring fence.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  About avoiding tomatoes and aged cheese in Italy, which is an absolute nightmare though. I did go to a potato festival.

• 32:59Speaker 00

  Well, when, what happens at a potato?

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  We're back in, Dave. We're going. You can't stop this train. It's too handsome.

• 33:07Speaker 00

  Dave, this is just what happens.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Dave, imagine you're watching Thomas the Tank Engine and the most handsome train ever pulls in. Yeah, George pulls into the station. You don't say, George, back up actually, mate. We're not finished here with Thomas. You say, God, look at that engine.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  Ringo would say that.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  You do if there's a safety concern.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Look at that engine. If there's a train already out there at the station and George is about to drive into it, you'll go, George, wait, reverse.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  No, you say, George, run with it. This is Thomas XXX.

• 33:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  This is, this is.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  Ugh, late night Thomas the Tank would be horrible.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  No, this is.

• 33:45Speaker 00

  Sexy Thomas the Tank.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Christopher Nolan does Thomas the Tank Engine.

• 33:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  And all stuff happens with time.

• 33:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  And then it's four hours later and you go home and go, what was all that about? What a waste of time it was seeing it on IMAX. Just a slightly curved screen. It cost me an extra fiver. I hate this and I should stay at home.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Okay. What else happened in the Alps? Anything else you want to talk about?

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Don't you try to, I know, I know your ways.

• 34:11Speaker 00

  What's a potato festival, John?

• 34:14Speaker 01

  A potato festival, Ellis.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  Is it like the tomato festival? They chuck potatoes at each other so one of them could get hurt?

• 34:19Speaker 01

  No, that would be like paintballing.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  But a rustic version. A potato festival is where a village in a, just a beautiful alpine valley with a freshness of air and a brightness of sun that does make you think, I'm not going home. That community come together to celebrate local produce.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  Oh, that sounds nice.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  They have like, in the town square, sort of 12 stalls, each selling different types of potato meal. Like a, like at a festival, like you've got the food vans, but instead of queuing for the individual stalls, you have a queue to get in and you order what you want when you go in and then they give you vouchers.

• 35:10Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Which is sort of an odd system, but it did seem to work quite well.

• 35:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  So I had Nocky, a potato and cheese pie and a raclette. So, you know, I'm deep into the aged cheese, aged cheese scene and the skin has paid a price.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  Is aged cheese worse for you than non-aged cheese?

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  I'd be safer with a mini baby bell than.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  No, but you've got to live your life.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  You've got to live your life.

• 35:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  You've got to eat the beautiful cheese.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Life's too short to eat bad cheese.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Yes, it is. And it's not too short to have bad skin. It is better though. I did look at myself in the mirror on the fifth day and think, you look like you have rescued someone from a burning building.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  But well done for doing that.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  Well done. What a heroic act.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Very brave.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  It is brave, boy.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  I said to myself, aren't you bloody brave?

• 36:04Speaker 01

  So maybe talk more about my travails and travels on Tuesday, but we've got lots of correspondence. Ellis got his head in his hands because he's hungover still.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Come on, mate.

• 36:16Speaker 00

  I think that's funny. I was laughing at your joke.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  I just, I laughed. So I was doing one of those inaudible laughs, but they were big laughs. They just were, you know. I was, I was being the most annoying kind of audience member. Have you ever read Edinburgh shows where people are laughing, but they're not making any noise?

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Sort of, smiling.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  They're, they're supportive of your efforts.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  They don't wish you any ill.

• 36:40Speaker 00

  No, God, no.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  But there's a reviewer in.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  So could you not wish me ill a bit louder?

• 36:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Glimmering, exactly.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  So what have we got here? Lots of nice responses to Ellis meeting Johnny Marr, some Instagram comments. Great episode. Did anyone else notice Dave's welcome when he said, hi, I'm Dave? And then the most manque possible, nice to meet you.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've watched it back. I do do that. Oh, is there? Okay. Michael's just pointed at the, at the play out system, which means there is audio.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Great.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Let's have a little listen. Hi Johnny, I'm Dave. Lovely to meet you. It is a bit.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  It's not too bad.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Me, yeah. I just flattened it a touch for him, just to make sure he was aware that I am authentic Mancunian, not from South, South Cheshire.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Then we've had a suggestion from Owen in Norwich, which I'm just going to veto before I read it out. Because, so it's now officially vetoed, no matter how good it is.

• 37:45Speaker 00

  Okay. I'm also aware I'm from East Cheshire. I'm not from South Cheshire because people will pick me up on that. Carry on, John.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Owen says, hello, my three humble pumpkins. Inspired by Cymru connection caller Alled's dropping of some unwanted past into Ellis's lap last week. What was that? Oh, yeah. You asked a girl you didn't know she had thrush.

• 38:04Speaker 00

  Don't say it again.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Because she was buying cranberry juice in a shopping centre, which begs so many questions.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  Hmm. Laura, the girl in question texted me and said, I do remember it, but it was really funny.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Ah, great.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  I didn't mind.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Closure.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  Also, I don't want to have to do this, but one of the people, one of the connections I offered to Alled, who's Laura's brother. Laura said, yeah, he has met that guy. He's just forgotten. So I should have got it in the time.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  But is it a good enough connection if he's forgotten?

• 38:35Speaker 00

  It was 20 years ago, but they, they were both in and around.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  I suppose really the only way to, to have an arbiter for that is if there's sort of a Welsh god.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Who knows, who knows everything.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. But I, because I said, do you know Wally? And he went, no. And then Laura was like, yeah, yeah, he definitely would have met Wally. And it's just, it's fine.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Definitely would have met is different to met.

• 39:01Speaker 00

  It's just, you know, it affects my, it affects my statistics.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  An all seeing, all knowing Welsh deity.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  All right then.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Who is it?

• 39:10Speaker 00

  Matthew Rhys.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Who's that?

• 39:13Speaker 00

  He won two Emmys for two different programmes. He's an incredibly famous actor with a nice voice. Yeah.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Anyway, Owen goes on, I suggest a new feature that combines two Ellis and John staples, connecting and shame. Each week, Dave will, and this sentence gave me a chill down my spine. Dave will source a caller with an amusing slash abhorrent anecdote about John and Ellis in their twenties.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  I would quit the show before doing this feature.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  If either of them can identify who they're speaking with and correctly finish the embarrassing episode without A, heading straight down the well, or B, putting their head in their hands, they get to play a track of their choosing. You guys game for a new game? Owen from Norwich.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  I, I would, well, if. If we do this feature, Dave, I will just go and work on a farm.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not gonna do this.

• 40:04Speaker 00

  I will never podcast again.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  I know.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  And I will go and buy the farm and Ellis will be my labourer. And I will shout instructions from a loud hailer from the farmhouse window.

• 40:15Speaker 00

  But either way, we're not podcasting.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  No, sir.

• 40:17Speaker 00

  Not Patreon content.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  No, sir.

• 40:19Speaker 00

  That, that, it's over.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  I know we've been in the business recently of.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Muck out the pigs, I will say, from the top floor. There's two, there's two floors.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  Okay, Mr. Robbins.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 00

  No problem, Mr. Robbins.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Prepare the silo, I will say.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  I'm on it, Mr. Robbins.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  I shall be hunting at noon.

• 40:40Speaker 00

  Righto, I'll go and fetch your things, Mr. Robbins.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  I can't be expected to look everywhere I'm pointing my gun, so do take care.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  No, of, of cour-, of course, Mr. Robbins.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Prepare the dogs.

• 40:51Speaker 00

  Righto, Mr. Robbins, but you hate dogs, Mr. Robbins.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Kill the dogs and then prepare the dogs.

• 40:55Speaker 00

  I feel a bit uncomfortable doing that, but I will do it for you, Mr. Robbins.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  It's a bit Burns and Smithers, isn't it? There are, there's dynamic there.

• 41:04Speaker 00

  Or, um.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Or the Fast Show, uh, old Ted from the Fast Show.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  So we're not doing that.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  We're not, I'm, I'm, we're not doing that. I know there's been a few surprises on the show over the recent months, but that's, I cast iron guarantee, I will not be doing that.

• 41:19Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm, I'm not a bad person.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  If you found me people, I'd, I said an embarrassing thing too in my twenties. A, there, there must be hundreds of them and B, it would, it would be the worst feature for my mental health possible. And I've been playing made up games against John for the last 12 years.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  It'd pick up a BPA, it gets a British Podcast Award. So there is that.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  You can, you can keep your BPAs, Dave.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Best dismantling of someone's self-worth.

• 41:48Speaker 00

  Best character assassination.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  Best sponsored character assassination. Best brand positioning in a character assassination. The Shane connection.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  This, this character was.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  With Castro.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  This character assassination is brought to you by our friends at Feels Energy. Lord VPN.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  I mean, there is a health and wellbeing category. It doesn't say that it has to be beneficial to your health and wellbeing, so.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Nice loophole. Have you been talking to David Panic?

• 42:17Speaker 02

  Stop bringing David Panic into it. No one knows who he is.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Is that what his name is?

• 42:21Speaker 02

  No one knows who David Panic is.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  How come? This is, City fans have got a banner.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, City, I would say a major, a, a small minority of City fans will know who David Panic is.

• 42:30Speaker 00

  Who made the banner? David Panic is the solicitor that Man City were paying quarter of a million pound a week to, to get them off these charges.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Less than 1% success rate.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  He got them off on 115.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Well, still up for debate, isn't it? The appeal will go in today, I believe, and you never know.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  It's not up for debate.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  No, it's not. We are guilty as sin.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Good laugh.

• 42:55Speaker 00

  The Panic on the Streets of London banner. It actually did make me laugh.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Oh, we've got a sense of humour, Ellis. That's why we'll be fine as we plummet through the divisions. We'll, we'll revel and relish.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Well, maybe we could go and do Manchester City away as an adventure at Chesham United.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  It might happen, it might happen. Someone put something quite funny on Instagram or Twitter going, oh, bloody hell, have you seen the Oasis gigs? One of them lands on the opening day of the National League Football calendar. They're gonna have to cancel it.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Lovely message from Nicola in New Zealand. To the right, Sir Honorable Sir John Robbins, PhD, MBE.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Lucky undies, Ellis and Dave. My somewhat mad dad had a T-shirt collection of note. He passed away eight years ago and in talking with my mum and sister, we estimate that he left us with 70 to 80 T-shirts. Okay, come back to that in a second. I did carry out a full T-shirt audit.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  When I got home from the podcast last week.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Was it close?

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Because I counted them out on air and I claimed to be within 10% of the title. I'm afraid I was not. I've got 76 T-shirts.

• 43:57Speaker 00

  You said 56, I think.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  I said 56.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, wow.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Forgot some Frank Zappa T-shirts and I forgot some Half Man Half Biscuit T-shirts.

• 44:05Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  And I forgot some plain T-shirts. And I forgot some Queen T-shirts and some white T-shirts. Most of them were collected as travel souvenirs. My dad was an organised man who had a system where freshly washed shirts were added to the bottom of the pile. And he would wear whatever shirt was on top. In saying that, he had at least three piles and I'm not sure how he rotated between them. With so many shirts and many memories attached to them, we didn't know what to do after he passed away. We didn't want to give them away or leave them sitting in a cupboard. So my mum and I each made a blanket using some of the T-shirts.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  I've included a photo of my blanket below. I know that at least one of these shirts is from a family holiday in 1995. It's been a lovely reminiscing about my dad's T-shirt collection. Thanks for the show, Nicola in New Zealand. And it is such a nice thing to do. And someone did suggest I do this years ago when I was talking about getting rid of some old T-shirts. And it's the sort of thing you see on Instagram and you think, God, I'm gonna do that. And then you never do it because you can't be arsed. Or you don't know, I don't have the skills.

• 45:07Speaker 00

  But what I love about that from Nicola is that when someone you love dies and you want to keep things that meant a lot to them, they do just end up in a cupboard.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 45:18Speaker 00

  Or you give them away because you haven't got the room, but that, that's got a proper functional use.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  That's a fantastic, I love that.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  It's a good T-shirt range as well.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, some really good tees there. So great idea. And what you do is you just take the sort of square panel of the front. And, and sew them all together. And I have to say, there's a great email from Gary about the one sill game, the made up game we played last week. Hello, my tasty trio of tangy tomatoes. Catching up on recent podcasts, I thoroughly enjoyed the one sill made up game in which the lads had to write adverts using words of only one syllable. However, I'm a bit surprised that Ellis missed an open goal when he was trying to sell lasagna to Dave.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  For two fellas who so fervently admire a certain Mancunian musical outfit, surely the merest mention of the Italian food stuff sets off a Pavlovian connection.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  As they both well know, lasagna is a key ingredient in the early Oasis banger, Dixie's Dinner.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Is that a song?

• 46:21Speaker 00

  We'll have lasagna.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a tune.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  These could be the best days of our lives.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  And even within the single syllable strictures of the game, Ellis could have sauntered to triumph by singing the first 24 words of the song.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  That's unbelievable.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Each and every one is a single syllable. What a life it would be if you could come to mine for tea. I'll pick you up at half past three.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  We'll have.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Well, is, is that one syllable? Is that two? Depends on pronunciation.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  We'll have.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Wheel.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Wheel.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  Wheel.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  It's not a one syllable, that.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Wheel.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, but still, you could have got, you could have done the first two lines of that.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  But wheels, the wheels on the bus, the wheels.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 47:11Speaker 00

  Wheels.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Wheels.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Wheels.

• 47:13Speaker 00

  We'll have lasagna.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Wheel.

• 47:15Speaker 00

  Wheel.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Wheel, yeah, two syllables.

• 47:18Speaker 00

  Thanks, Steve.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  But even you could have said, what a life it would be if you could come to mine for tea. I'll pick you up at half past three.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  Have.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Beef toms.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  You wouldn't need to do any of that.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Food.

• 47:29Speaker 00

  That's funny.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  At which point Dave would have been physically unable to stop himself bellowing, lasagna! Followed by his much-loved audio signature, the delighted chuckle. Although he couldn't pass it off as his own work, Ellis could rightly say that the song would be perfectly suited in lyric and tone for an advert. It would actually. And with that, the whole made up game being played in a splendid spirit of sportsmanship, I'm sure John would have been glad to witness a shared moment between his two favourite kook-wearing chums. Thanks for all the fun and significant content.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Lovely email.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Lovely email. Thank you very much, Gary.

• 48:06Speaker 00

  It's very funny that so much of that song comprises of one syllable words. Noel Gallagher often says when he wrote The Master Plan and he thought, my God, I've, I've come of ages, a songwriter, I'm Burt Bacharach, I'm a genius. And then the next song, you know, was Dixie's Dinner.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Even Master Plan, if you go through the words of Master Plan, they're all one syllable if I'm thinking about it in my head.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's got a great pop instinct.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 00

  People like one syllable words in pop songs.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, wow. Speaking of made up games, on Tuesday's made up game, we have a very special guest to come in to play a word-based made up game.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  We're very excited, so check out the Tuesday show.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  Well, shall we mention, it's probably quite a nice tease, or do you want to keep it?

• 48:44Speaker 01

  It's the Dentmeister General, Susie Dent.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  It's Susie Dent is coming on the Ellis and John podcast.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  That's big.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  That is big. She's bringing her word-based made up game with her. She might happen to want to share some news of what she's up to as well.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  So I'm gonna look like an absolute goon then.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  Big time.

• 48:59Speaker 00

  Big. Thanks, Steve. I'm on to day of all days.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  No, well, you know, no, no, no, you will be all right. Because I think, A, Susie will be the judge of many of the rounds and.

• 49:07Speaker 00

  Well, I can pay her off.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  And get Panic involved.

• 49:10Speaker 00

  Just give her a grand.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  And I think some of them are vibe-based. That means you'll be all right.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

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• 50:11Speaker 01

  Final email, this is from Beth. Beth says, Ellis John and producer Dave, as a former smoker, I quit almost exactly four years ago, but still crave them all the time. If I had only one day to live, we were talking about what we would do if we had one day to live.

• 50:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm going to join LinkedIn.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  You're joining LinkedIn to contact Paul McCartney's PA.

• 50:30Speaker 00

  I apologise for not meeting you. I want to go to Thorpe Park.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  And I would do it all the same.

• 50:35Speaker 00

  You would do exactly what you already do, yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  I would smoke an entire pack of cigarettes because why not?

• 50:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  I'd probably also have a few choice words to share with some politicians in Texas. You could just do that now as well.

• 50:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  You write to your MP in Texas.

• 50:50Speaker 00

  Quite a bad vibe.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  What?

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Well, it depends on how you express yourself with the choice words, isn't it?

• 50:57Speaker 01

  True, but it's not something.

• 50:59Speaker 00

  You can disagree, but you know, if you mustn't, you must disagree agreeably.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  I think you can write to your state senator and say that I'm not keen on a few things you've been doing recently.

• 51:14Speaker 00

  It's been phrased there like it's going to be a sort of personal attack, like a tweet.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  I would be very intrigued actually to know if the emails MPs get are different in tone to the tweets.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely.

• 51:27Speaker 00

  Are you more considered when you're writing an email to your MP than when you're firing off a tweet saying, I can't believe you're doing this.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  I'd think they're still pretty spicy.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  I'm sure you get a few, but in general, emails are written.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  No one's reading tweets anymore, are they?

• 51:39Speaker 00

  No, Liam Gallagher still seems to be pretty keen on it.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  He's still big on Twitter.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  On another note, my husband and I are visiting the UK this winter and would love some recommendations of things to see and do. We'll be there for a couple of weeks in December, start, get this. Starting off in London for a couple of days, then heading to Cardiff for three days, then Bristol for a Jesus Jones concert, then Inverness for two days and Edinburgh for four days. Then back to London to see a Greg Davis gig.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  That's a very American attitude to distance.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would say that is.

• 52:10Speaker 00

  Inverness is a hell of a trek from Cardiff or Bristol.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  From Bristol.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  I suppose you could fly.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  You have to fly, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say you're putting a lot of faith in the British transport system.

• 52:25Speaker 00

  How depressing.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  I'll tell you this, you will be knackered.

• 52:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  We're covering a lot of ground in just a couple of weeks, but we don't know when we'll be able to come back. And our travel agent assured us we can get it all in. Any recommendations are welcome.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Well, obviously stay at Premier Inns, start to finish. In fact, just check into your London Premier Inn.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Spend two weeks there.

• 52:53Speaker 00

  Or holiday in.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  If you're in Cardiff. Or holiday in.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  Or the Ritz.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Travelodge.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  Or W Hotel.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but if you want a good night's sleep.

• 53:01Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't matter, John. What are you doing, man?

• 53:05Speaker 01

  We're sponsored by Premier Inns.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  We're not in the, we are in specific sections of dynamic insertions.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Well, we can leave this in for a laugh. Price for humorous, humorous and legal.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  John, Dave, ETAP, the Ritz.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  ETAP?

• 53:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, ETAP Hotels.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 53:24Speaker 00

  They're a kind of budget hotel.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Where?

• 53:27Speaker 00

  I stayed in one once, it was only 40 quid.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  In the UK?

• 53:31Speaker 00

  I stayed in one in Birmingham, but the entire room is like a sort of walk-in wet room shower. So there's no carpet anywhere and you've got to, in that one, you had to.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  I'll cup myself. That's basically what I stayed in last night though.

• 53:45Speaker 00

  In that one, you had to, I don't know if this is across the board at ETAPs, you had to spend a £5 deposit for a kettle so you could have bottomed up from the ventilation.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  But what does ETAP stand for?

• 53:55Speaker 00

  ET, well, sort of ETAP means it's like a sort of stage of the Tour de France. So I've never, I've never really known what it means.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  Look into it, Dave.

• 54:03Speaker 00

  ETAP, rebrand, IBIS Budgets.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Oh, they've rebranded as ETAP?

• 54:09Speaker 00

  No, they were rebranded as IBIS. They were ETAPs years ago.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  That, right, okay. So it's like, it's just because Elis is so much older than us today.

• 54:17Speaker 00

  They rebranded in 2011, man. Where have you been for 15 years?

• 54:21Speaker 01

  It's like saying we've all been to a B Jams.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  We used to have to, we used to have to do a prayer at Scouts thanking God for B Jams.

• 54:31Speaker 00

  What? I, I, I haven't had any dinners, so I sat on my bed in my ETAP and I ate at Marathon and some Hopplefords.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  Right, so London for a couple of days, Cardiff for three days. I mean, with the greatest respect to Ellis and his nation, which I love and holiday in and respect. Two days in London, three days in Cardiff.

• 54:56Speaker 00

  Well, in Cardiff, you are very close to, say, the Brecon Beacons.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Oh, for God's sake, get out of there as soon as you can.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  Or you could go to Hay-on-Wye.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  You could watch people smoking weed in a shopping centre in the afternoons.

• 55:09Speaker 00

  You could do that in most towns.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Very true, Nottingham, Manchester.

• 55:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't know if they've got a car. It doesn't sound like they've got a car. I don't know if they're renting a car maybe.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Go down to the Gower.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, or Pembrokeshire even.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  I was recommending places on the Gower to Sally A B, actually, who's got a gig in Swansea.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  If they are, and I, I don't use the term in a loaded way. If they are stuck in Cardiff for three days, what should they see, Ellis?

• 55:38Speaker 00

  Well, St Fagans is my favourite museum ever.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yes, St Fagans.

• 55:41Speaker 00

  So you could go to St Fagans, there you go.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  For the rest of the trip?

• 55:46Speaker 00

  It's, it's, good afternoon at St Fagans.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, two and a half days left.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  Well, this is the thing, you've got to go to Brecon Beacons or the Gower or whatever. Visit my sister.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Visit Ellis's sister for crying out loud. Um, London, it's gelashed.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  No, go up the, what's the, what's the thing that if you put it on its side, it hits where the great fire of London started?

• 56:10Speaker 01

  The monument.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  The monument, go up monument, that's quite nice.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  I did that about six months ago, it's not that good.

• 56:15Speaker 00

  Is it not?

• 56:15Speaker 01

  It's all right, I was looking after 30 kids.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  But just walking across the bridges, I still, I never, I never get bored of that.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Down the South Bank, zigzag across, I would walk everywhere that you can get the tube.

• 56:26Speaker 00

  But when are they going? If it's December, it might be raining.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:30Speaker 00

  Oh, so markets on the South Bank?

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Markets on the South Bank, what was the, what was the name of the Christmas festival we went to?

• 56:36Speaker 00

  Winter Wonderland?

• 56:37Speaker 01

  Winter Wonderland?

• 56:37Speaker 00

  Don't do that. You mad?

• 56:41Speaker 01

  I would say walk in all the parks, but in December, I don't know.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  It's lovely.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  But you go Regent's Park, I love Regent's Park.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  Regent's Park in the rain, didn't it? I didn't like Regent's Park, I like Hyde Park.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Go to Regent's Park and when you, when you enter from the Baker Street entrance, turn left, right? And a house will emerge on your right across the water, an enormous mansion. It is, here's my fun fact about the house, the most expensive house ever sold in the UK.

• 57:11Speaker 00

  You're kidding, is it? What did it call for?

• 57:14Speaker 01

  A hundred and, I'm going, 120, 30 million?

• 57:20Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  Wow, goodness me.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  And it's the, it's basically this mansion in the middle of Regent's Park and it's got its own waterway. It was owned.

• 57:29Speaker 00

  Is it still on super block?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  No, it was.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  I'd love to have a look at that.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  I read the Wikipedia page about it or the, some article about it. It was owned by like a sovereign wealth hedge fund. And they had it, they, how depressing is this? They had it as like leverage capital.

• 57:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  And they put it on the market for 210 million.

• 57:49Speaker 00

  These are nice sentences.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  But then they, because either it went bust or they were, yeah, were, went bankrupt or whatever. It had to be, a sale had to be forced, I think. And it went for how much, Dave?

• 58:04Speaker 00

  139 mil.

• 58:06Speaker 01

  139 million quid, does look lovely.

• 58:10Speaker 00

  Who owns it now?

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Then I'd go walking.

• 58:13Speaker 00

  Was it on Rightmove?

• 58:15Speaker 01

  No, it's in like elite property listings magazines and stuff like that.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  Members of the Saudi royal family own it and stuff.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 58:22Speaker 00

  Sell it to them.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Then I would take a walk around old London, like especially if it's a weekend where it's just completely dead. I'd go around Chancery Lane and.

• 58:32Speaker 00

  Yes, that's a great church actually.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Stuff like that and go to some old pubs, go to the.

• 58:38Speaker 00

  Like Yod Maitre.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  And the city of York.

• 58:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Then Bristol, you go and see Jesus Jones. I would also suggest just going through, walk through Stokes Croft and looking at all the street art. Then Inverness.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  Inverness is absolutely beautiful, I've got family, Izzy's got family in Inverness.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  I'd go up to Aviemore.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  And Loch Ness is on your doorstep.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  Loch Ness is fantastic.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  It's got more water in it than all the rest of the lakes in the UK put together.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  Huge.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  In England put together.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  I thought it was England and Wales.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  England and Wales put together.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Huge.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  But yeah, get up to Aviemore and go for a little Cairn Gorm Walk in December. Edinburgh for four days, what a town, what a city, what a vibe. The Harp, no, not the Harp, what am I talking about? Dagda, Bennett's Bar.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  I wouldn't just name pubs.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  There's two in Stockbridge.

• 59:34Speaker 00

  Brilliant.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  There's two in Stockbridge, there's two great pubs in Stockbridge, Dave.

• 59:39Speaker 00

  Arthur's Seat.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Go to Arthur's Seat, yeah, do that and.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  I've just got to find these pubs in Stockbridge.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Man City have confirmed they've lodged the appeal, Ellis, did you see that?

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Well, we can just spend all our lives appealing every decision and nothing ever happens.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Good luck to you, Dave.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  We'll wait for the.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  It's a small misunderstanding.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  We'll just wait for the results. It would be inappropriate to speak before the inquiry, Dave, wouldn't it? We can just keep saying that forever.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Eventually we die and nothing, no justice is ever done to anyone. The Ballybar in Stockbridge is great.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  And Kay's Bar is great. St Bernard's Bar is great. Dirty Dick's Pub is great.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  We don't need to just go through all the pubs, John.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  We don't and we do.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  We don't and we do, Dave.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  I don't think we do.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  So there, do all that stuff.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  Do all that. I, um, one more email. Bonjour mes petits puces, which is an affection to my friends, usually aimed at girls because a flea is feminine. I wanted to write in to say that I feel Ellis's pain when it comes to anagrams. I cannot do them either. However, my theory is, and I think it was from a point made in the book recommendation below, look into it, Dave, is that it is to do with having a bilingual brain. I'm a dual national and fluent French speaker, boring digression, French mum and Welsh dad, born in the UK but spent all holidays in France. I too cannot for the life of me do anagrams. My brain cannot work them out. I don't think it's because I'm a thicko. I do believe it's to do with having a bilingual brain. Other made up games where Ellis struggles with similar word based themes, I also struggle with. Again, I believe it's also because of the bilingual brain.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  So don't beat yourself up, Ellis. Just know that your neurological pathways are different due to being exposed to two languages since birth. It's a great gift in some ways, but an absolute bee for anagrams.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Interesting. Citation needed.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Recommend the book, The Bilingual Brain by Albert Costa. If interested, love the show. Salu, Emily.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  And there's my citation. Thank you.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Because I texted Celia about this. Obviously she's bilingual.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  I said, do you, out of curiosity, do you struggle with anagrams? She was like, oh, big time.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I don't think I've ever tried to do an anagram in Welsh. Oddly, I don't so play many word games in Welsh.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  But it's also practice. I do, I do like.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  And techniques.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Fifty anagrams every day.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  That's amazing. Are you still parking your buses?

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've managed to stay off that in Italy. But if you think about it, I'm playing, I've got five constant Scrabble games going.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  So I've got maybe ten, minimum 10 turns a day.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  So I'm anagramming all those racks. Wordle is like three or four or five or as many anagrams as it takes to get the word. Got it in two today. Don't know if I mentioned that earlier.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  You did actually.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did actually. And it was a tough one.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  So is muscle memory?

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  I was on a TV show a couple of weeks ago and I do get an anagram right. And I think it was panic and adrenaline of not wanting to look daft on telly.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  You should do the spelling bee. That's a great game on the New York Times app.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  What is that game?

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  It's just.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Because my spelling is good.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  It's a circle of letters with a yellow letter in the middle and you have to make words using the yellow letter.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I reckon I could do that.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  Oh, before we go. Oh, Celia's on tour, by the way.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Oh, is she?

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  So you should go and watch her show.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Got a little present.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Little, little, little, this is not in the ring fence zone.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Also, she's not us.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  No, no. Go to town, mate.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Do you want to give, do you want to give out her website or any dates? You just want to say she's on tour. Google it. Google Celia AB's tour.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Anya Magliano's on tour. Loads of them are on tour.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  We can do all of this, don't we?

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, they're not us. There's loads of gigs.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  We've always been able to do this.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  We did it with Johnny Marr in the room last week. Johnny Marr, he's, he's got an album out.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  To what? Today? Is it? Yeah, it is today. Yeah. Friday the 2nd. Giving Johnny Marr a bit of a leg up. Best of luck to Johnny Marr. Anyone else?

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  I think Take That, I've got a gig later in the year. Have they? Good luck to them. Yeah. That'll be sold out, bless you. Yeah, yeah. I bought the cushion back for you from the British Podcast Awards, John.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Oh, that's very nice. How do you cope cushion?

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  So How'd You Cope was nominated for Best Interview with Richard Osman, which was a great app.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  I won the cushion.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  You won the cushion.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Lovely. That's good stuff. But it wasn't, Zofia was holding this. Zofia should have it.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  She gave it back to me. I think they had, she had another one of those.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  But maybe let's leave it. If you don't want it, we can leave it here for Zof.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  Can use it for my bad back.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can. Big shout out to Talking Rubbish Podcast, which won Best Environment, Environment Podcast.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  That's how I say it, actually.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  That's how you should say it.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Who are big fans of this podcast and they grabbed me towards the end and they won Best Environment Podcast.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  And what's their podcast about?

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  It's about recycling.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  But they do it in a fun, accessible way. They've got features in there.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  No, I, I like recycling.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's good stuff. They've got a feature in it called Trash Talk.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Of course they do. It's great. They've made recycling fun. I like their sort of pun based features. Yeah, yeah. It's a great idea because there's a niche in the, in the market to, to, to do a fun podcast about the importance of recycling. Can I play to them? Can I go home? I'd love to go home. I'll, I'll pay you if I can go home. We've got so much to do. He loves Susie Denne. He can just play, he can just play the made up game twice as much. He's playing against himself. He would as well. He can have the, he can have the win.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  I can't wait to hear Ellis's scripted intro for the show tomorrow.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  He's already told me. profoundly weak. I see.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Is it BBC away day?

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  No, God, no. But it is.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  I am in the weeds. What a tease.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  In the weeds is good.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  In the weeds is your creativity.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. I would want to listen to this intro now. So well done, well done. It's won a hell of a tease to Tuesday. So listen on Tuesday for Ellis's week intro. There was so much sighing as I tried to write it. Do you write this morning? Yeah, I did, Dave, because I went out last night and usually I would do it the night before. But I've not seen Lloyd for seven years.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  I put Lloyd ahead of the show.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  I agree. I allow that.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  I'm not sure I do. And we did our thing. We had to do a corporate event about the Cymru connection in the afternoon. Ellis connected with director, deputy, deputy general director, what am I trying to say?

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  That's like a name I'd give myself. Director, deputy director general.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Deputy DG of the BBC.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Rodri Talvan Davies. Talvan Davies, very easy.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  He's directly under Britain.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  He's directly under Britain, absolutely. And he came on stage for a little thing we were doing yesterday at the audio. At the Audio Academy Festival, we're doing the magic of the Cymru connection.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. Is this going to invent me getting paid for something?

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  He was interim DG. You could have come.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  I know. Why would I want to go to that?

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Well, we would have done it about you two if you could have come. You could have come. So then we pivoted.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Ah, well done. You've got to be fleet footed.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  You've got to be fleet footed. So I did it and he was interim DG and it was actually very easy to come reconnect with him. It took me about 10 seconds. But you did it in quite an impressive way. It wasn't an obvious route. It wasn't, you didn't go for like the media. Impressive, or I can be. You can be, absolutely. Not now. Not for the intro, not Tuesday. God, no. So I did that in the afternoon.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  And then I met my friends. So it's not a massively busy day. Were you making a point about the day being busy? Oh, yes. Imagine, Dave, if you said, right, we've got the interim director general of the BBC in Cymru connection. I said, sorry, two minutes, I'm writing my intro for tomorrow. Yeah. What would have happened then? No, nothing. I'm just saying that was a 20 minute session at 3.30.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  Do you know what, do you know what I did yesterday?

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  I cleaned an Airbnb.

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  I drove 250 kilometres from Domodossela to Geneva Airport via, what it turned out was a car train, which Google Maps didn't say was a car train to get through the Alps and the next train.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  So you drive your car onto the train? I've never actually heard of a car. Oh, like the Eurostar, I suppose.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Like the Eurostar, but it goes through mountains.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  Only to find out that the car train wasn't leaving for another hour, which means we would have missed our flight. So then driving a route which is an hour longer at pace through the Alps, through Italy and Switzerland. I then flew back to the UK, having had an argument with a man about a scratch to a rim on a hired Renault.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Oh, goodness.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Capture Alpine. Because apparently it's my job to do a thorough inspection of the car before it gets rented out. Then got my car from.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Did you not video it before, before you hired it?

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  No, I didn't.

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  I did take photos, but the photos weren't clear enough of the, of the individual car rims.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  I then picked up the Sportage, Her Highness,

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  from the parking attendant at Heathrow. I then drove home and was able to make a pretty decent Caesar salad before going to bed and doing the spelling bee and getting genius. So who's had a long day?

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  That guy. Yeah. That guy. Right. Well, what a, what a way to end it, I think, at this stage.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  There I am. No. I never will be again.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  They think they're going to fleece me for the scratched rims, Dave.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Do they still?

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  But they don't know. I've taken out extra hire car insurance.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Through them? No, sir.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  God, no.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Through a reputable online car insurance provider.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  So what's going to happen, what's going to happen then?

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  They're going to charge me for the rims because they are, what's the word?

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  Foul, dishonest. Yeah, well, they're just, they're just, they're playing by the rules.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  They are playing by the rules to within an inch of what is reasonable for the rules they have written.

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  Panic on the streets of London.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  And then I'm going to get the money back because I paid an extra 13 quid.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  So anyway, you're lodging your own appeal today as well.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  In a way, I'm glad. I'm glad that I done inspected each rim of the alloys.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Even though I know it wasn't me because I would know if I scratched an alloy.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  Was this your tone on the day? Was it a bit more chilled?

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Uh, my tone was a bit more chilled because I'd just driven 275 kilometres through the Alps.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that'll do it.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  In a car that beeps every time you do something that its system thinks is wrong.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, like scraping an alloy on a curb or something.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  No, Dave. Like taking your hands off the wheel to refill your vape on a mountain pass.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Pay attention. Keep control. Shut up. I've done it a million times.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  I need my nicotine. Modern cars are dramatic.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  Oh, they are an absolute abomination.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Good grief.

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  They're not. Just roll with it for goodness sake.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Oh, you can't roll with it, Dave, because the automatic lane assistance is pulling you back into the lane you're rolling out of.

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's another one of Noel's one syllable wonders.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Sometimes through a tunnel, it will just break for no reason.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  You've got to roll with it. You've got to take your time, my God. It's incredible. Honestly.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  You say what you say. Don't let, here we go, anybody get in your way.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  Many pop songs with the word versus similar to in them, are there?

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  No, also, look.

• 1:11:13Speaker 00

  This is pop instinct.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  One flesh, one blown, one true religion. One voice, one hope, one real decision.

• 1:11:21Speaker 00

  And they're smart.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Give me one vision.

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  No, there's, they're a verbose band. They've got a lot of double syllables in there.

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  Great. We need to wrap. Ellis needs a little break.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  We will, we will rock you.

• 1:11:36Speaker 00

  Clap, clap, smack.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Clap, clap, smack. Yeah, okay. Ellis needs, I don't know, to go into an oxygen tank or a-

• 1:11:42Speaker 00

  I'm in love with my car.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  But he does use the word carburetor in that song.

• 1:11:50Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  Ellis needs to go into an oxygen tank or a sort of plunge pool, a cold plunge pool. Go and have a cold shower.

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  I've got a towel.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Use, use that cushion of Adrian Charles.

• 1:12:03Speaker 00

  It would look mad to Susie Dent if I had really wet hair. She'd turn over the twos there.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  All right, bye bye.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

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• 1:13:28Speaker 00

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• 1:13:33Speaker 01

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