TBT: Dr. Anthony Youn

Throwback Thursday Bunnie sits down with America’s favorite holistic plastic surgeon, Dr. Anthony Youn, to talk about how to stay hot for life—no surgery required. From growing up in a traditional Korean household to sharing some truly wild patient stories, Dr. Youn answers all your burning questions about cosmetic procedures like breast augmentations and tummy tucks, while breaking down the real keys to aging well. With millions of followers on TikTok and his bestselling new book Younger for Life out now, Dr. Youn dishes on nutrition, stress reduction, and what actually works if you want to look and feel your best. Dr. Anthony Youn: Younger for Life https://www.amazon.com/Younger-Life-Great-Science-Autojuvenation/dp/1335007873 | TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoryoun?lang=en Watch Full Episodes & More: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Dumbblondepod

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• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 0:59Speaker 01

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• 1:01Speaker 02

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• 1:59Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on?

• 2:00Speaker 03

  Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

• 2:05Bunnie XO?

  Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child and here we are.

• 2:16Bunnie XO?

  What's up babies? Welcome back to another episode of Tom Blonde. Today we have America's holistic plastic surgeon in the house, Dr. Anthony Youn. What's up baby? How are you?

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Thank you so much for having me on the show. This will be a lot of fun.

• 2:29Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I am so stoked. I'm so stoked to have you. My husband is even more stoked that you're here.

• 2:35Speaker 04

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:36Bunnie XO?

  I had no idea that he was such a huge fan of yours.

• 2:39Speaker 04

  I didn't, you just told me this. I'm shocked and I'm, I mean, it's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I saw his, when he gave his, uh, his speech, his talk at the CMAs and like, it's great. I mean, I'm a fan myself.

• 2:51Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy because he's like that at home. And I'll be like, who are you preaching to? I'm like, it's just me and the kid here. Like, you don't have an audience. Tone it down, bubba, you know? So he's, that's literally, what you see is what you get with him. Um, so you are kind of like doing a podcast tour right now because you, my, my sweet sir, are a, um, author.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:14Bunnie XO?

  Yes, and you've written four books.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  Yes, so this is my fourth. This is an anti-aging book called Younger for Life that I'm super proud of, and I really appreciate that you're having me on today.

• 3:23Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I'm so excited to dive into what this is and stuff like that. You have three other books. Um, one of them is called The Age Fix, In Stitches, and Playing God.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  Yes, so I actually wrote two memoirs about becoming a doctor and then becoming a plastic surgeon and kind of the craziness that happens, that ensues. And then I've written two anti-aging books, The Age Fix, and then this is my latest one.

• 3:46Bunnie XO?

  I mean, I need all the anti-aging tips that you can give me.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  You look like you're 12 years old. What are you talking about?

• 3:51Bunnie XO?

  Do you want to make out? Cause we can't.

• 3:54Bunnie XO?

  Um, so, okay, I definitely want to talk about, um, your, you know, whenever you went to medical school because, um, one of those stories actually resonated with me and we'll talk about that in a little bit. But let's talk about how you were influenced by your father to become a doctor and take me on that journey and stuff like that as a child.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I basically grew up in a traditional Korean household. My parents immigrated here from Korea when, uh, before I was born. Uh, and so- The day literally that I was born, my dad decided I was gonna be a doctor. But it's not that I was gonna be any doctor, like that wasn't enough. Like I was gonna be either a neurosurgeon, a cardiac surgeon, you know, a transplant surgeon. One of these like high-powered surgical specialties. And pretty quickly, as I was in medical school, I realized that this was not my personality. The day that I saw a sixty-year-old man stumble out of a call room in the middle of the night to attend to a trauma, I was like, I don't wanna be that guy. And then even throughout all my training, I did three years of general surgery training where I trained as a general surgeon. And you're working the ICUs, you're working in trauma base.

• 4:56Speaker 04

  I was just honestly deathly afraid that one of my patients would die and it would be my fault. And so it was always, it always stressed me out. And luckily, I went through all my training and nobody did.

• 5:08Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  You know, I mean, people died, but it wasn't because I didn't do something.

• 5:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  And so I realized very quickly that that just wasn't for me. And so I ended up finding the field of plastic surgery, which really talked to me a lot. The interesting thing is I initially thought I was gonna do family practice for a while. So I'm like, I don't wanna be this type of surgeon. Maybe I'll do family practice and work with families and stuff.

• 5:29Speaker 04

  And my dad was not approving of that at all.

• 5:31Bunnie XO?

  Your dad was an OB-GYN, correct?

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:34Bunnie XO?

  So that's kind of why he, and he was, you know, the traditional, you know, just this is how you're gonna do it. And I'm planning your life. How did that make you feel as a child? Did you feel like you just didn't have a choice?

• 5:46Speaker 04

  So, yeah, but I was like the middle child. So I was the dutiful middle child. You tell me to do something and I'll do it. But, you know, for him, he grew up on a rice farm in Korea with six other siblings. And he became a doctor. They put all their resources into him. And then he literally lifted his whole family up out of poverty. And he brought half of them here to the United States where they kind of now are living the American dream. And so for him, all he knew was that doctor equals success.

• 6:12Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  And so he didn't want his kids to be living on the streets. But then his belief was either you live on the streets or you're a doctor and there's nothing in between. Like, he didn't know.

• 6:20Bunnie XO?

  He's like, look, it works for me, it'll work for you, bud.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. So then I thought, maybe I'll, maybe I'll do family practice. And I told him and he was really unhappy with that. And one night, as I was visiting my, my parents after I told them I was gonna do, and he was really unhappy.

• 6:35Bunnie XO?

  And he was just unhappy because he didn't feel like you were like being an overachiever? Or he felt like you were kind of slacking off?

• 6:41Speaker 04

  It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't enough.

• 6:43Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  It wasn't enough. It wasn't enough to be proud of, you know, my son. Like, you know, we always want in our children more than what we have.

• 6:51Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  You know, and for him, he looked at that was less than what he had.

• 6:54Bunnie XO?

  That's gonna be a heavy, kind of a heavy cross to bear for you, because you're like, damn dad, I just want to do what I want to do.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  I mean, I think that is.

• 7:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  But you know, what happened is, is I'm at home, I'm visiting for a night, and I'm in my twin bed that I grew up in, you know, and as a kid. And two in the morning, the door opens up and my dad tells me, move over. So here I go, I scoot over, and the two of us, two adult males, are lying in my twin bed, looking at the ceiling, and he goes, Tony, if you want to be a family practice doctor, you can. He goes, you will never pay off your loans, you're gonna be poor for the rest of your life, you're gonna be seeing fifty patients a day, but if you want to do that, then that is fine. And, and then shortly thereafter, after he gave me my blessing, his blessing, I ended up finding the field of plastic surgery and absolutely loved it.

• 7:39Bunnie XO?

  Well, plastic surgery holds a spot dear to your heart, too, because as you say in one of your books, you talk about how you were, um, you had a feature that you were, you know, I don't want to say embarrassed by, but just didn't like about yourself. Can we dive into that a little bit?

• 7:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I mean, I was quote unquote, normal looking until probably about the 10th grade. I went through a growth spurt. And my jaw started growing basically twice as quickly as the rest of my face and the rest of my body. To the point where when I was a senior in high school, my jaw was huge, to the point where I could actually stick my tongue through the gap between my upper and my lower teeth. And, um, I hated looking at pictures of myself from the side. Um, and even if like with my senior photos from high school, you could see that it just doesn't look quite right.

• 8:25Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 8:25Speaker 04

  So I ended up having plastic surgery. I actually had my jaw broken and set back between high school and college. And it really taught me the power of how changing your appearance can absolutely change the trajectory of your life. Because prior to that, I had very low self-esteem, you know, I had self-image problems, um, and I thought I looked deformed. And then afterwards, it really did help me. Now, you know, I go to college and here I think that I'm going to, you know, oh, I actually look actually pretty decent now, like a regular person. And I thought, okay, the girls are gonna like me now. And I couldn't find a date through all four years of college.

• 9:05Bunnie XO?

  That hard to believe.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  No, I had four years. Yeah. I don't know what happened, but.

• 9:09Bunnie XO?

  He said, maybe you were just too shy to like seal the deal.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  I don't know. But yeah, so but that really did teach me how changing your appearance can really help to change your life. Uh, in ways that, you know, I mean, I do all cosmetic surgery. Um, I have a complete skincare center and stuff like that. Um, but at the same time, you know, knowing that, I think personally that does make a big difference.

• 9:31Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. You had also said in one of your books that, um, you had been, you were, you had some dark chapters, um, dealing with certain physicians that were kind of self-absorbed and money hungry. Can you take me on that journey too? Yeah, I think you just called it like a god complex or something.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, I mean, as a plastic surgeon, so I ended up doing, uh, three years of general surgery. And then I did two years of plastic surgery and then I spent a year out in Beverly Hills, uh, where, where I worked with a top name plastic surgeon. And I tell you, plastic surgery in Beverly Hills was a big eye opener. Cause I did most of my training out in Michigan and Michigan State.

• 10:09Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  Uh, with plastic surgeons that I felt were ethical. They were there to treat, you know, take care of patients and stuff. Yeah. I mean, these are kind of, um, Midwest, down to earth, uh, doctors who are there to take care of people. Then you go to Beverly Hills and my gosh, it was crazy.

• 10:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  And it was all about money out there. I mean, it was a point, I remember there was a situation once where I was working with a plastic surgeon. And, and we were working on a woman, uh, African American, larger woman. We were doing liposuction on her. And, um, she was HIV positive and we were doing the surgery on her and all of a sudden he says, yep, that's it. We're done. And I go, well, we haven't finished the operation. Like there's still these other areas that we can make better. He goes, you know what? She has, she has HIV. She paid enough money. Like we don't have to do anymore.

• 10:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 10:56Speaker 04

  And I was just like, what? And I mean, I'm, I'm the fellow, so I, it's not my patient. I can't tell him, you know, we need to do this. But, you know, things like that, you see these things happen over and over again. Out there, I knew a doctor who would actually call the local news, lie to them about a death, let's say, that happened in the OR of a competing surgeon. And so I was there once where a doctor called and said, hey, yeah, is this, you know, is this ABC News? He's like, yeah, you know, I don't, I don't, I'm not gonna tell you who I am. I'm a local plastic surgeon. I need to let you know that Dr. So-and-so had a patient die in his operating room yesterday. You need to look into that. And it was so not true.

• 11:34Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  I mean, people, there are even stories of people sending patients to other plastic surgeons as a way to eventually sue them. So that the patient gets surgery and then eventually sues them just to try to push these people out of practice.

• 11:47Bunnie XO?

  You guys need your own reality show. It's like the House Husbands of Beverly Hills. That's crazy. That's so unethical and just wrong.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, it's, the stuff that happens out there was nuts. And so I really, after being there for a year, I ended up coming back to Detroit where my wife's family is from, and I started my own practice there.

• 12:08Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I'm not working for anybody ever again.

• 12:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's like, I wanna start, I wanna do this the right way, where I'm actually, I'm here to take care of people. I've taken ER call for accidents and dog bites and stuff for 20 years.

• 12:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, there was a story that I read that you had said, um, there was a lady that you had worked for, and she said that there are the chronically ill in the, in an emergency room. She had said something to you that kind of like offended you about the people who would come in the emergency room. They're chronically ill and they just kind of, they don't stay, they don't get better and they don't die, or something like that?

• 12:39Speaker 04

  I mean, there are so many, you know, I think, working in the ER, and it's, it's hard because there are people who are, I mean, the, the healthcare system is so broken.

• 12:49Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  And it's so hard because the emergency room now is a place where a lot of people will go for everything.

• 12:57Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 12:57Speaker 04

  And they are completely overrun. You know, the emergency room at the hospital I work out of, I had a patient who was there recently. She actually was a, a patient of a different doctor who was admitted to the hospital with an infection. They asked me to take care of her. And I said, sure, that's fine. And she was there for Three days and never actually got a hospital bed, like a room.

• 13:16Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  She was in the hallway for three days.

• 13:19Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  Because there just weren't any rooms available because so many people are using the ER unfortunately for things that aren't necessary.

• 13:25Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 13:25Speaker 04

  Um, so there's a lot of stuff going on in healthcare right now that it, the whole system is broken and I'm, I'm not sure how to fix it.

• 13:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Um, but throughout my training, that was something that you really saw a lot of.

• 13:36Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I, um, I myself have gotten into holistic medicine in the past, probably I'd have to say four to five years.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:45Bunnie XO?

  And I love the fact that with holistic medicine, it treats the problem and it doesn't put a Band-Aid on it, like it tries to get to a deeper root of it.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  The root cause.

• 13:55Bunnie XO?

  Being a holistic plastic surgeon, what does that entail exactly?

• 14:00Speaker 04

  So basically the story is, is that I, you know, so I go to LA, I come back to Michigan, I start my practice and, you know, we're taught in surgery, the term to cut is to cure, or the only way to heal is with cold steel. And the idea is that your goal is to bring people to the operating room. Now, if you're a general surgeon, the goal ideally that the big surgery that you want to do is, is called the Whipple. And this is a large 10-hour cancer operation. And if you're so lucky that you can do a Whipple, you know, you've reached the pinnacle of success.

• 14:30Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  In plastic surgery, it's probably the facelift. Uh, because patients may trust almost anybody to do their liposuction, but you know, if they're trusting you to do their facelift, uh, that you are, you know, the cream of the crop.

• 14:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  And so for many years, Bunny, I actually, uh, gauged the success of my practice based off how many facelifts I was doing, how many I had on my schedule. It's kind of dumb, but that was how I gauged it.

• 14:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 04

  And I got to a point where I was the busiest person in town. I had a one-year waiting list of people flying in all over the country to see me. And then I had a patient of mine who absolutely completely changed the trajectory of my career.

• 15:04Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  Uh, this was a 60-some-year-old woman, uh, who came to see me for a facelift and she looked like she was a good candidate for it. Uh, her internal medicine doctor cleared her for surgery, uh, and then she, uh, was even cleared by a cardiologist. So I performed the operation on a Thursday. It's about a three and a half hour surgery. Um, we keep her overnight in the hospital, which at that time I was doing routinely. And then the next morning I saw her and she was doing great and we sent, I sent her home. The weekend goes by and Monday I get to my office and I have a message from her daughter. And the message was, why did my mom die?

• 15:41Speaker 04

  And it, I mean, I was absolutely floored. Uh, I had this pit, a nausea in the pit of my stomach. Um, I had, I like literally couldn't form words. And I got, I eventually got on the phone with her and she said, my mom died on Saturday. Like, what happened? I hadn't, I hadn't heard anything. So it turns out that she suddenly died, um, that Saturday. So like the two days, like literally after her operation. And I went to her chart and I looked and like, what happened here? I tried to find something that could have caused this. Was there a medication error? Was there medication interaction? Uh, was there something about her health history that I didn't catch? And there was nothing, like nothing that I could find.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Uh, it turns out when her autopsy came back later on, she had a massive heart attack. Even though I had cleared her from a cardiologist standpoint, like I did everything. The only thing I could have done to prevent this was just not operate on her. Right. So this sent me into a complete tailspin. And for months, I considered quitting medicine altogether. I considered choosing a different, you know, going back to residency, finding some other type of a way to, you know, practice medicine. Um, and I really questioned everything that I was taught. And it, and it got me into thinking, finally, when I hit rock bottom and I just, you know, I prayed to God, like, you know, what do I do? You know, what am I doing with my life? You know, there's this Hippocratic oath of do no harm. Like, am I doing harm?

• 17:10Speaker 04

  You know, am I, by doing these operations, doing harm on people? Um, and it got me into really realizing that what I had believed was wrong. Like the goal of being a surgeon is not to bring people to surgery. It should be the opposite. It should be, how do I keep people out of surgery? Yet still help them to look and feel their best. Right. Without going under the knife. And then that started me kind of delving into alternative and holistic medicine. And that eventually became this book, uh, and this concept of auto-juvenation. And it really is, it's the fact that our bodies have the regenerative abilities to rejuvenate itself. We just have to give it the right tools and the right environment to do that. Right. And it composes five main things that I focus on.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  It's what you eat, when you eat, nutritional supplements, skincare and non-invasive treatments. And I firmly believe that eighty to ninety percent of people, if you focus on those things and you do it right, that you can look and feel your best and feel fantastic and look fantastic without. Having surgery and not feel like you need to.

• 18:12Bunnie XO?

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• 19:05Speaker 05

  Wayfair, every style, every home. Attention all new and existing members of the W D N C. I'm Melanie Sanders and this is the We Do Not Care Club Podcast. We got to midlife and realized we just simply do not care much anymore. Now, we gotta help each other make sense of hot flashes, dry coochie, chin hair, trifling families, brain fog, and bat wings. We are not alone and we will be heard. So come join the W D N C. Follow and listen to the We Do Not Care Club Podcast with Melanie Sanders wherever you get your podcasts.

• 19:37Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely, and I love that message too because in a world where we are literally just bombarded with plastic surgery and stuff like that, to hear an actual plastic surgeon say, "Hey, you don't have to go under the knife, you just need to do these things," and I really truly believe you are what you eat. Like, a lot of people will argue with you and say, "Oh, it doesn't matter." No, it really does matter. The beginning of the year, I started having some really bad health problems that I had no idea where it came from. Cardiologist appointments, I had to wear EKG for a week. I mean, I'm talking like everything. Come to find out. No doctor could pinpoint what was wrong with me. They tried to put me on blood pressure, blood pressure medications. They tried to do everything and I had to be my own advocate. And I was like, I'm not doing that. Come to find out, I was allergic to rice.

• 20:22Speaker 04

  Oh wow.

• 20:22Bunnie XO?

  Rice was really setting off my body, but I, I, in order to find out that I was allergic to rice, I had to cut out seed oils. I had to go, I've, I've been non-dairy for at least 10 years now, but uh, no white flowers, no sugar, like nothing. And it has completely changed my entire being. And so you are what you eat and that's a huge thing. And then what's number two?

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Number two is when you eat. And so that's something where, you know, one of the main causes of aging of our body is, is a buildup of cellular waste. And so basically our cells, just the act of being alive, we create cellular waste products. And these are proteins and organelles and things inside our cells that can actually build up. And this waste product can build up in our cells unless we clean our cells out from the inside. And the way we do that, it's a process called autophagy. And that means self-eating. And essentially, when your body runs out of fuel, it starts to use this intracellular waste, these proteins and organelles inside our cells and recycles them for energy.

• 21:21Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  And that causes our cells to actually clean themselves out on the inside, to function more efficiently, more youthfully. And it's a great way to essentially turn back the clock and get our body working more youthfully again. But for that to happen, we have to stop eating constantly. So the, the problem is, is, you know, is our standard American diet and our lifestyle, we are constantly snacking. And whenever you're constantly eating, you do not allow that process to happen. And so one of the main benefits, and I encourage people, even if you just do, you know, a 12 hour, a 16 hour fast, to try to do that where you take just a period of time, even as little as 12 hours, where you stop eating at 8:00 PM and you don't eat again until the next morning at 8:00 AM. That's great because it allows

• 22:03Speaker 04

  your body that time to, for your gut to rest and for your body to kind of clean itself out from the inside using this process of autophagy.

• 22:11Bunnie XO?

  Yes. I love fasting. I fast every day. Like I'll stop eating at like seven o'clock at night and then I won't eat until the next morning at like 12 or 1. Uh, but then every, I, I read a book called How to Fast Like a Girl, uh, written by Dr., oh gosh, I forget her name. Um,

• 22:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah.

• 22:28Bunnie XO?

  And she, it was amazing and it was life-changing because, you know, around a woman's period. Um, you can also do these protocols and where you go into ketosis. And it's so healing. I never, I have more energy when I don't eat and I fast than I do when I do eat.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Isn't that interesting?

• 22:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's crazy. It's, it's, the human body is so fascinating. Like it's, we're our own science project.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Yes. And I think the, the thing is, is that a lot of people don't realize and traditional medicine is not good with this. Is that I do believe that there's this thing called bio-individuality where you may react poorly to rice. But like I've eaten rice all my life. I grew up eating it and I'm fine with it. But that doesn't mean, you know, because I'm fine with it, that you should be fine with it. And traditional medicine is not really good with that part of it. Um, and so really I think it's, it's important to, um, to be aware of your own body and what your triggers are. Like what makes you feel healthy and good and to follow that, even if it may not completely jive with what most doctors say that in general, people should do.

• 23:28Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. Have you ever heard of the blood diet?

• 23:31Speaker 04

  The blood diet?

• 23:32Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  Is that some type of vampire thing? I know you guys are into.

• 23:37Bunnie XO?

  I wish.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Macabre stuff.

• 23:38Bunnie XO?

  So, so the blood diet is you get your blood drawn and you find out what type, what your blood type is. And you eat according to your blood type.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:47Bunnie XO?

  And I always thought it was like kind of hocus pocus and I didn't believe it until I went through the health stuff. And my body just doesn't react good to carbs. Some people can eat heavy carbs. And I just can't, you know, come to find out both my parents are diabetics, you know? So it's like, it's, it's just, it's crazy and it's fascinating. So what's number, we're on number three, right?

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Number three would be supplements.

• 24:10Bunnie XO?

  Supplements. Let's talk about that because I, have you ever heard of, uh, the MTHFR gene mutation?

• 24:16Speaker 04

  They call it the mother effer gene.

• 24:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, the mother effer gene. Do you know a lot about it or?

• 24:21Speaker 04

  Some, yeah. I mean, it is something that there's a belief that you may have an increased, um, risk of clotting with that. Um, and so some people who have multiple miscarriages, that's something that GYN doctors will look at. For us, we look at it for surgery just because of the potential risk of bleeding after surgery.

• 24:37Bunnie XO?

  Right, yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 04

  But yeah, I mean, that's, I don't know a ton. I mean, it's still. The mother effer gene is still something that traditional doctors, some of them will poo poo.

• 24:46Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  Uh, and more of my functional medicine, uh, friends, they talk a little bit more about that. But I do think that that's a real thing that we need to pay definitely more attention to.

• 24:53Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I think it's, uh, coming, I think it's becoming more widespread in the United States. And I think more people are coming to realize that they, I, I was diagnosed with that gene. So I say all this to say that certain supplements react crazy with my body. I overdosed on supplements.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  I heard that.

• 25:11Bunnie XO?

  By accident.

• 25:12Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 25:12Bunnie XO?

  Like how, who the fuck can overdose?

• 25:14Speaker 04

  I've never heard of somebody overdosing on supplements and having those types of symptoms, but I heard that story.

• 25:19Bunnie XO?

  Crazy, right?

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:22Bunnie XO?

  Uh, anybody with MT, um, HFR gene mutation aside, what kind of supplements do you recommend for a daily basis?

• 25:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. So for me, um, you know, I have friends of mine who are quote unquote biohackers where they'll take like a hundred pills a day. And that's just like, I mean, if you want to do that, then that's fine. These are people who like, they make their living just trying to biohack their body. But the vast majority of people like that's, that's not doable.

• 25:45Bunnie XO?

  That's insane. I've never heard of that. Now I'm gonna go study that.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. I have, and I have friends of mine who are like, well, depending on the time of day and how they feel that day, they'll take this drawer of supplements or that drawer. So the way I look, yeah, seriously. So the way I look at it is very basic. Okay. Um, everybody should take a good daily multivitamin. One of the main reasons why our skin ages is nutrient depletion. Uh, there's a belief that our fruits and vegetables today are not as nutritious as they used to be. And, uh, this is a belief in holistic medicine. Yeah. And they say, oh, well, the soil has been, um, because of, uh, industrial farming practices, it's been depleted of nutrients. So is there proof of that? Well, there actually was a study that looked at from 1950 to 1999, looking at various fruits and vegetables here in the United States, and found a significant reduction in six key nutrients.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  And three of those ones that stood out to me are iron, protein, and vitamin C.

• 26:37Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  All of these, super important for the skin, especially. And so, supplements can definitely help with that part of it. So, I always recommend taking a daily multivitamin. I recommend taking a omega-3 fatty acid supplement, so like fish oil, for the good, healthy fats. I recommend taking a probiotic, because in the past, we ate a lot more fermented foods. Okay, we've got a microbiome in our gut. That is the trillions of bacteria that live inside our gut. And we are finding out, over the last 10 to 15 years, that the quality and the health of that bacteria is absolutely essential to our overall health.

• 27:12Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely, it's your first brain.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, and there's crazy things that they've done. They've taken actually a rat, and I've taken a rat that's overweight and a rat that's underweight. And they've actually done fecal transplants from the underweight rat to the overweight rat. And you know what happens? The overweight rat loses a bunch of weight.

• 27:29Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Because you think that by moving the microbiome from one rat to another, it completely changes how their body reacts. And this is a lot of stuff that we just don't really know a lot about. So, but what we do know, once again, is a microbiome is extremely important. And so, and we don't eat fermented foods in our diet at all, other than like...

• 27:47Bunnie XO?

  I love kimchi, though.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Yogurt, yeah, and sauerkraut on brats, like in the summer, like that's it.

• 27:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Now, I grew up eating kimchi, a lot of kimchi. You know, we eat a lot of like pickled vegetables and stuff like that. So, really important to take a daily probiotic, at least 3 billion colony-forming units a day, is what I usually recommend.

• 28:06Bunnie XO?

  Do you recommend the ones that have to be refrigerated? Do the majority of them have to be refrigerated?

• 28:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's usually a sign that it's probably good, because if it's not, then you gotta wonder, is it high quality?

• 28:16Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  Because you want to refrigerate them to make sure that they're still alive.

• 28:18Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so, then the next supplement that I would recommend typically is an antioxidant supplement. One of the main reasons why our skin ages prematurely is due to oxidation and free radicals. Essentially, these are damaging molecules that will damage the DNA of our cells. And these free radicals essentially are neutralized by antioxidants. That's why people say, hey, eat the rainbow of fruits and vegetables, because the actual color of those fruits and vegetables... That is the pigment is the actual antioxidant. And so by eating various colors of fruits and vegetables, you get a lot of different antioxidants to help fight those free radicals.

• 28:57Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 28:57Speaker 04

  And what food has the most free radicals? Ultra-processed foods. And so trying to limit ultra-processed foods in the diet is definitely healthy for your skin.

• 29:05Bunnie XO?

  Yes, I had to cut those out too, so I eat everything fresh now, which a lot of people always say, oh, you know, it's expensive to eat that way. And I, and it is. America has made it very hard for people to not eat bad.

• 29:18Speaker 04

  It's more expensive to eat healthy foods than it is to eat foods that are not healthy for you.

• 29:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, especially. Yeah, especially if you buy it organic and stuff too.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:25Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy. And then what was the fourth one?

• 29:28Speaker 04

  So the fourth one, so that was the fourth one, where the antioxidants. And then the fifth one is collagen, collagen supplements. So you're taking a collagen supplement?

• 29:35Bunnie XO?

  So I've tried and my body is so weird. It kind of like sends me into like a little bit of a depression. So I, ever since I did the overdose on supplements, I am just raw dogging life right now.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  That's all right.

• 29:46Bunnie XO?

  But I tried to get my supplements through my food.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:48Bunnie XO?

  So I eat really healthy.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  You can't out-supplement a bad diet.

• 29:52Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  So doing it that way is, is definitely better.

• 29:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you think?

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 29:57Bunnie XO?

  Why can't I poop then? I'm just kidding.

• 30:00Speaker 04

  You're not on a carnivore diet, are you?

• 30:01Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  I don't know how they, I don't know how they poop because.

• 30:05Bunnie XO?

  I don't either.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  I don't get, like, if you get no fiber, like, I, yeah, it would be bad for me.

• 30:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I can't, I can't eat, like, I'll eat red meat once a month, like, around my period, but like, I don't, I try to stick to, like, chicken, like, lean meats, you know, but, um, yeah, like, my digestive system is just completely thrown off. Um, since I got off supplements, it's been crazy. Um, but I do love collagen. I love any, so I, anybody, any time anybody asks me, hey, do you ever just wish that you were younger? And I'm like, the only thing I'm ever jealous of younger women is their collagen.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:37Bunnie XO?

  Like, I want it all, give it all to me.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, so we have seventy to eighty percent of our skin is basically made up of collagen. And so one of the things I really encourage people to focus on, if you're looking at the aging process, is really focusing on that collagen. Uh, collagen, basically, they're like the logs of a log cabin. And the collagen is what causes our skin to feel tight and firm. Firm and smooth and youthful and like everything in life, we start losing it, it starts getting thinner. Starting at one percent a year when we're in about our mid twenties. And then women, once they go through menopause, it goes up to about two percent a year. And that's why you may see women who are in their sixties or seventies and they've got tissue paper thin skin. And they get scratched and it literally can tear their skin.

• 31:17Bunnie XO?

  Oh my gosh.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  So that's one thing, you know, if you can tolerate collagen supplements, I do recommend them. I do think they've helped, studies show that they definitely help with the thickness of collagen in your skin. The other thing though is collagen is a protein and so eating higher protein, especially as you get older. Can definitely be helpful with your skin as well as other body parts as well.

• 31:36Bunnie XO?

  I, I preach to my team all the time. I'm like, you guys need more protein because I eat like a hundred and thirty five grams of protein a day.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  Oh wow, that's, that's not easy to do, especially if you're intermittent fasting.

• 31:45Bunnie XO?

  No, it's not. Well, so I have perfected the art of an eating window. So like I get all my, and I, and I know that they say that you're only supposed to do like thirty five grams each meal or something like that. But I just really try to like break up three meals and just make it work, you know? So I, a lot of yogurt in the morning, a lot of, um, protein, you know, the protein yogurt. And then a lot of, um, you know, like, uh, ground chicken, you know, for dinner and stuff like that. So. But yeah, I'm always preaching to them. I'm like, you guys need to have more protein. They're, they're like, shut the fuck up, leave me alone. And I'm like, no, it's like, it really helps your body.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  It is, and there definitely is a huge push now in nutrition and nutrition circles. That the lower protein diets are definitely not the best, especially as you get older. You know, we, we developed something called sarcopenia and this is basically breakdown of muscle as we get older.

• 32:33Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  And you know, one of the things that we worry about as we get older and, and a very common cause of death, uh, is breaking a hip. Okay. And so.

• 32:42Bunnie XO?

  God, that causes death?

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Uh, there was one study that found that over the age of fifty, and I'm like fifty one, so I guess I'm in that group now.

• 32:49Bunnie XO?

  I'm almost there.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  If you break your hip over the age of fifty one, it's something like a thirty percent mortality over twelve months.

• 32:55Bunnie XO?

  Goodness gracious. Why? Is there like a, um?

• 32:58Speaker 04

  So it's just, it's so integral and I think part of it is that it's so hard to recover from.

• 33:04Bunnie XO?

  Oh my gosh.

• 33:05Speaker 04

  A big thing as you get older is trying to keep mobile, trying to keep your reflexes as well as your balance intact. It's so, so important.

• 33:15Bunnie XO?

  Right. Yoga.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Yes. So that's one of the big things in my book is yoga. So really what you want to look at is balance and, and strength via the fast twitch muscle fiber. So. To put it simply, you know, there's a lot of people as they get older, they believe that walking is the only exercise they need to do. Okay, like, oh, you know, and that, and my parents and my in-laws, that's what they think too. It's like, oh, I walk, you know, uh, two miles a day, so that's all I have to do. The problem, but that's a fallacy. Now, walking is great. It's super important, you know, if you get those 10,000 steps, that's awesome. And that will definitely help with your healing or with your aging overall and being healthy.

• 33:49Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  But the problem with just walking, when you think about it, is you're only using those muscles that propel you forward.

• 33:57Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  You're not using any other muscles.

• 33:59Bunnie XO?

  Anything else.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Okay, and those are called slow twitch muscle fibers. Slow twitch muscle fibers are those fibers that our body uses for kind of endurance, where you're kind of doing the same thing over and over again in a slow fashion. Those are slow twitch muscle fibers. Fast twitch muscle fibers are those fibers that we, those muscles that we use for essentially explosive movement. Okay, so if you're going for sprints, if you're doing HIIT workouts a lot of times, you're using kind of the fast twitch muscle fibers. They're also the muscle fibers that will go into play if you trip, if you're about to fall. Those are the ones that will steady you. You know, that's why, you know, if you see, you may see an older person who's like seventy or eighty, and they trip on something and they just fall and hit their face.

• 34:39Bunnie XO?

  Right, it's like slow motion.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  Yes, because they, they're fat, they have been working those fast twitch muscle fibers, so they don't have those, those reflexes, those reaction time, where if you or I, we hit a corner or a curb, and we start to fall, we will steady ourselves very quickly because those muscle fibers are still working. So those muscle fibers, they degenerate as we get older, and that's one reason why older people, they trip on something and they just go straight down because they haven't been working those. So it's so, so important, you know, yoga, I think, is awesome. Those are also slow twitch muscle fibers, but yoga will help you, obviously, with your balance, which is so, so important, and flexibility.

• 35:17Bunnie XO?

  Stretching your muscles, yeah.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Exactly, and it's so great for the mind, uh, and for overall stress reduction. Uh, but at the same time, definitely doing weight training, doing resistance training as people get older, not just walking. And, and really, there's three exercises that if, you know, if you, let's say you have, you know, somebody who's in their sixties, seventies. Israelis and like, well, I haven't done resistance training ever.

• 35:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:39Speaker 04

  Then there's three things definitely to start with. And I encourage anybody who's listening, if you've got somebody in your life who's older, you can see that their mobility is slowing down. Just have them do three things to start out with. Uh, chest press, some type of a chest press where they can do it, you know, if obviously if they can do a push up, that's great. If they can't, you can do it like a nautilus chest press, uh, either a squat or a leg press. Okay. And rows. So chest press, squat or leg press and rows. If they do those three exercises, resistance training exercises, that's going to move, use most of those muscle groups that are needed to stay limber and strong and prevent those types of accidents as they get older.

• 36:19Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. I could sit here and talk to you for hours. I love learning stuff like this. There's a sixty year old lady who I saw on Instagram who is shredded, dude. Oh, I whistled. Who is shredded and I'm, and I'm telling you, man, I was like, I want to be her dude. Like she looked amazing. She had muscle tone at sixty. Like it was crazy. So yeah, it is possible to, you know.

• 36:41Speaker 04

  There is a difference between health span and lifespan. Have you heard those terms?

• 36:46Bunnie XO?

  Um, yeah, I've heard them, but I didn't, I'm not in what you're about to say.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. So lifespan essentially is what traditional medicine is really good at. It's extending your life, you know? And so we're really good at taking somebody who's sixty or seventy, they have multiple medical issues and keeping them alive for a long time. And that's why our, um, that's why like our life expectancy keeps going up because we're essentially kept alive by medications, by interventions, you know, and, and treatments and things. That is different than actual health span. The idea of health span is how long do you live where you are active and youthful and healthy and doing things that you want to do. Uh, and that's very different. And, and that's what we try to strive, you know, with kind of a lot of these alternative medicine ideas and a lot of the ideas in my book is how do we extend your health span?

• 37:34Speaker 04

  So that the ideal is that you live until you're like a hundred years old and even when you're ninety five, you're out.

• 37:41Bunnie XO?

  To the ass.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. And you are going on hikes, you're traveling, you're seeing the world. You're eating different foods, you're on very minimal medications and you're just feeling energetic and great. And then something happens and you die like versus that whole that steady decline starting in your fifties where just every year you feel shittier and shittier and shittier. Like that's kind of the way that we are taught now to age in our society. And so by focusing on these things, you know, eating right, taking some time to not eat for a little bit, you know, even if just 12 hours, you know, and then getting on those supplements and being super active, even trying things like meditation. All of that can really extend that health span and help you live healthier, longer and happier for for as long as possible.

• 38:24Bunnie XO?

  I think meditation is huge also because it's such a stress reduction and in our everyday lives that we have now, our lives are just so full of stress. It's like you have to put yourself first and if even if you have 10 minutes, just meditate and just try to decompress and just get, you know, I always visualize um breathing in a certain color and then blowing out a certain color and that's the stress that's coming out and it's life changing.

• 38:48Speaker 04

  It's amazing because a lot of people think, oh, meditation, how boring and like, what can that do? You know, I'll tell you my story with meditation, like I was never really big on meditation. I knew it was good for us. But, you know, so the pandemic hits in March of 2020. I have a a practice, a full medical practice. I've got 11 employees and literally in the span of one morning, we come in and we're seeing patients and at noon I close the office down because my employees were freaked out, you know, they're hearing these stories of like, oh, my gosh, people are getting sick around us. And so I close it down at noon and I promised my employees, I say, look, you know, I had just paid off all my taxes because freaking March, you know, I'm like, and I say, look, I'm going to pay you guys. I don't know how long we're going to be closed for, but I will pay you. I will take care of you.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  You know, you guys go home and just stay healthy and and and all that. But I had no idea how I was going to do that. And so. I volunteered for my local hospital, my wife and I, my wife's a physician, she's a pediatrician, and we both volunteered for our local hospital if they needed us, which, God forbid, like if you've got COVID and you're like in the ICU and Dr. Youn comes up to take care of you, like, you're screwed because I don't remember how to do any of that stuff. But, so thank God they never actually asked us to come in and help out. But that was, that was such a stressful time because here I am, like I'm worried about my colleagues and my friends that were working in the hospital. I'm worried about my own family, my parents and my in-laws who are, you know, almost 80 at that time.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  And then I worried about my patients and also my employees and like, how am I gonna pay my employees? So that for the first time, I think since I started my practice, probably for the first time since I tell you about that patient of mine who died, I would fall asleep fine at night and then every night I wake up at two or three in the morning, just with all these worries going on in my head. And so I was talking to my wife, I'm like, I can't, like I get, I wake up and I'm worried and I'm stressed and like, what do I do? And we started meditating together. Where we would just take literally 10 to 15 minutes and you could do a guided meditation, we did a lot of like Peloton meditation. Or sometimes I would do it by myself and just like you said, just pay attention to my breathing. Like try to cut everything out and then just pay attention to breathing in and out.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  And I tell you Bunny, every day that I meditated, I slept all night. And those days where I'm like, oh, I don't have time, I'm not gonna do it. Two or three in the morning, I would wake up. Like it was crazy how it was a direct correlation. There are studies that show that meditation can help you to look younger, it can make changes in your brain to function more efficiently and effectively. It's, it is crazy how just that simple act of just what you said, of just breathing in and out can reduce your stress and really help to improve your life.

• 41:30Bunnie XO?

  It's wild because if you think about it, Buddhist monks have been meditating for decades. And I mean, look at them, I, you know, you don't have to be a believer in Buddha to see that these men are like, they don't age, they're literally like so peaceful and all they, they literally meditate every day. Like it's just a, it's a, it's an amazing outlet. And if anybody wants to ever start meditating, there's, I don't get paid for this, but there's an app called Insight Timer. Yeah, it's called Insight Timer, I've turned all my girls on to it. Mimi and she uses it for her daughter too.

• 42:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and it's amazing. You guys can go on there and if you've never meditated in your life, they have beginner meditations and everything like that, so.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, and now occasionally, you know, if I have anxieties and every once in a while I have something just like, and I don't know why, or sometimes it's before surgery or something, sometimes just in my car, I'll turn on a guided meditation for 10 minutes.

• 42:24Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  You feel so much better afterwards.

• 42:26Bunnie XO?

  So now, since I've learned breathing techniques, and I know a lot of people in my audience do suffer from anxiety, and they're always asking like, what do you do? There is a meditation that you can do, and it's you breathe in for six seconds, you hold it for six seconds, and then you breathe out for six seconds, and it automatically snaps your nervous system out of fight or flight. And I mean, I could be in the middle of a panic attack, just wanting to run, and I do that, and it calms me immediately. It's just fascinating what breath work can do for you.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  I think that there's so much that our society, we have lost touch with, you know, even fasting was something that, you know, Christians, Muslims, people have done it for centuries, but we stopped, you know, we just don't have time for it, you know, and same thing with meditation, you know, this is stuff that we have done, you know, whatever religion you are, like that's has been a part of it, you know, in its own way, and it's just these are things that we lose track of, that are such healthy practices to get back to it, you know, and it comes back to even the food. It's like we, we, you know, we used to know what our food came from, you know, and there's this idea of food that is, you know, whole foods, not necessarily even plants, but whole foods versus ultra-processed foods, and it's

• 43:40Speaker 04

  very simple, really, is it's when you're eating a food, do you know what plant or animal that food came from? Does it look anything like its original state? And it's funny, because I grew up in the middle of Michigan, in a tiny town in the middle of Michigan, and it was, it was a weird dichotomy, because my parents, at home, we would eat traditional Korean foods. So it would be like, you know, rice, and fish, and veggies, and garlic, and kimchi, and stuff like that.

• 44:05Bunnie XO?

  Which is a really healthy diet.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  Which is, and you know exactly what those foods are coming from. Like it looks like that food.

• 44:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  And then we, I go out with my friends, we go to McDonald's and KFC and Burger King and all that type of stuff.

• 44:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  And it was this weird dichotomy and now the funny thing is we've kind of come full circle. And um, you know, I've got two teenagers and I grew up, when I was their age, I was always at fast food places. And now my kids, it's weird because they go out with their friends, they get poke bowls. You know, they get like sushi, they get, it's like crazy, they get like Korean food and stuff. And uh, it's, it's good because there is, I think, um, a group, especially I think the younger generation are more understanding of like what's going on with our food and everything nowadays.

• 44:46Bunnie XO?

  They're more woke and I honestly believe that it is because of social media. Because you know, back in the day when we were kids, it was like, we didn't have social media. We only knew like what our parents taught us or what we saw on commercials or TV. Whereas now these kids have so much opportunity at their fingertips and they, you know, they can research and you know, so it's, it's kind of, even though social media can be um, the devil's playground, it's also a catch 22 because it is informative and it, you know, is I think guiding the youth in a better way than we were guided as children. Um, speaking of food, if somebody wanted to say, change their life after hearing this podcast and start, you know, a diet, what would be a typical day of eating for somebody who wants to, to start eating healthier and not eating fast food?

• 45:31Bunnie XO?

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• 46:33Speaker 04

  So the first thing that I would recommend, so let's start about what to try to reduce.

• 46:38Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  So the great ager of our skin food wise is sugar. Sugar is the number one cause of premature aging of the skin and it does that because the sugar will actually bond to the collagen in our skin. So I mentioned earlier that the collagen makes up 70 to 80% of our skin. And when you ingest sugar, sugar will actually bond to that collagen, those logs of that log cabin and will cause those logs to become kinked. And the combination of when that the sugar and the collagen hybrid, the connections of that are called advanced glycation end products or A G Es. Kind of makes sense, A G Es, you know, because they prematurely age you.

• 47:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:14Speaker 04

  And so sugar can do that by literally physically bonding to the collagen of your skin, causing your skin to feel rougher, to have more wrinkles, to be drier and essentially more aged. It also increases, when you get sugar spikes, you get insulin spikes. Insulin spikes causes chronic inflammation and chronic inflammation is one of the great agers of our skin and sugar once again being kind of the big thing. Now, it's important to differentiate acute inflammation from chronic inflammation because there are a lot of treatments that we do that are, that create acute inflammation. You can get laser treatment, you can get microneedling, you can get chemical peels. These all create acute inflammation and when you cause acute inflammation or you damage the collagen of the skin in a very short term way, when the collagen heals, it gets

• 47:59Speaker 04

  tighter and that's why your skin gets-

• 48:01Bunnie XO?

  I love all those, by the way.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's why your skin gets tighter after these treatments.

• 48:04Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  But chronic inflammation is a different thing and so sugar can create chronic inflammation by chronic insulin spikes and then that can cause premature aging as well.

• 48:12Bunnie XO?

  It also leads to autoimmune diseases as well.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  Well, when you have, you can get type 2 diabetes because essentially when you're getting so much sugar and the insulin keeps going up and down, up and down, eventually your tissues don't respond to the insulin so well. And if it's not responding to the insulin, your blood sugars go up and then that's when you eventually get insulin resistance and then type 2 diabetes and then that leads to all sorts of other problems. And so reducing the amount of sugar that you eat is the first step that I encourage people to consider, you know? You and I, we have a lot of our followers that- Live in the quote unquote flyover states, you know, I'm from Michigan, you know, you're Tennessee. Um, I have a lot of my followers that live in small towns. They follow me on, you know, Tik Tok or Instagram and, and they're not living in Miami or LA or New York.

• 48:57Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  Um, and for some of them, just the act of, hey, you know, going from three cans of soda pop a day to one or two is a big deal. And so I encourage people who are listening, you know, whether you're a follower of mine, uh, or a bunny is that just to reduce some of the amount of sugar you drink. So if you have three cans of soda pop, try to reduce it to two. Maybe substitute that other one for a can of kombucha, you know, something a little bit different or a green tea or something, or even just plain water. Just water.

• 49:22Bunnie XO?

  Water. I'm not sponsored by them, but this is the best water in the world. Mountain Valley Water. I love them.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Cause that, just making those little changes can be huge deals. And, and I really encourage people who are listening that if you can do that, be proud of yourself because those are big steps towards that, that goal. Um, the second thing I encourage people to do is try to reduce the amount of ultra processed foods. Um, because those, once again, they contain free radicals and then free radicals can cause damage to your skin by this process called oxidation. Um, so taking those two huge groups of food out, I think is so, so important, a reducing amount that you can eat of that. And then what you want to replace that with are colorful fruits and vegetables. We talked about the antioxidants in them. Uh, healthy sources of protein. Uh, and so I'm a big fan of grass fed beef, of pastured pork, pastured chicken,

• 50:09Speaker 04

  um, wild caught fish, um, sustainably caught fish, you know, that are, that, um, you have vetted. Okay. That's good too.

• 50:17Bunnie XO?

  How do you feel about tilapia? Isn't it manmade?

• 50:20Speaker 04

  So tilapia, there are some studies showing, so, um, there are omega three fats and omega six fats. So when we look at all the different fats that we can eat, there are different kinds. So some fats are 100% we know are good for you.

• 50:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 50:32Speaker 04

  Omega three fatty acids, which are the main fat that we know is healthy for us in fish. That's, that's the big thing.

• 50:38Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Omega six fatty acids are called polyunsaturated fatty acids. These are the fats that are in things like margarine, uh, in like seed oils. And then some oils contain a combination of both. So like olive oil, which in general is really good for you, contains both omega-3 and omega-6. And the goal you want to is to maximize the amount of omega-3s and overall minimize omega-6 because we get way too much of that in our general in our society.

• 51:06Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  And so in general, what you want to do then is eat those healthy sources of fats, those healthy sources of protein, okay? And then the healthy fruits and vegetables. And then trying to get rid of some of those ultra-processed types of things.

• 51:19Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha. And not all salads are good for you. I learned that the hard way whenever I was dieting is there's some salads that have more calories and more fat in them. Like when, if you eat a salad, you have to like really pay attention to what's in it. You can't just be like, oh, I eat salads every day because that could be.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, if you douse it in a bunch of dressing and then you throw a bunch of bacon bits on it.

• 51:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, I mean, it's the same thing with coffee. You know, coffee is a great drink in general because it's filled with antioxidants.

• 51:47Bunnie XO?

  I can't have it though.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  But when you throw a bunch of cream and sugar and you mix it up with all these syrups and stuff like that, you take, you know, what essentially is a really a good, healthy drink and you make it a, you know, a sugar bomb essentially.

• 51:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  And so really it's what you do sometimes with these basic foods that make a big difference.

• 52:03Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I could just pick your brain all day. Do you have time to answer a couple of questions?

• 52:08Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 52:08Bunnie XO?

  From some of the people on my Patreon.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  I'm happy to talk about that. We can talk about anything, plastic surgery, anti-aging.

• 52:14Bunnie XO?

  They have so many questions about plastic surgery. So I figured I would let you answer their questions. These are for everybody on my Patreon. They are so excited that you're here.

• 52:24Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you.

• 52:25Bunnie XO?

  They actually came with a bunch of really good questions. So we'll answer a few of them and then we'll move on to a couple of other topics. Is it healthier for a fat transfer instead of a breast augmentation? And would you as a doctor consider 48 too old to have said procedure? If there isn't any major health issues?

• 52:45Speaker 04

  Okay, so breast implants, I'm happy to talk about that and breast implant illness. I know you've talked about your experience with implants and stuff. So I've got definitely an opinion on that. As far as fat grafting to the breasts, a lot of people are talking about that now as kind of like a natural alternative. And as a surgery, it is in general, very safe to perform. Essentially, what you do is your liposuction fat from your hips or your thighs or your tummy. And then we purify the fat and then inject it into the breasts. And as far as immediate complications, it's usually pretty low risk. The thing that a lot of plastic surgeons, and I don't know of anybody talking about this but me, honestly, like I have not heard anybody but me. So maybe I don't know and everybody else does.

• 53:26Speaker 04

  But when you think about it theoretically, okay, one in nine women will get breast cancer in their lifetime. So the breast essentially is a cancer prone organ, as sad as it is, that's the truth. We know over the last 10 to 15 years that our fat is chock full of stem cells. Stem cells are cells that are so young that the belief is that you put them into a body part and they will essentially turn into cells for that body part. And that's the reason why it's exciting for things like cancer. If you have to have an organ removed, the idea is that, hey, I wonder if stem cells can help to remake that organ essentially.

• 54:01Speaker 04

  So theoretically, then what happens if you take a cancer prone organ like a breast? And you inject it with a ton of stem cells haphazardly all around the organ? What if, for example, you are 47, she is?

• 54:15Bunnie XO?

  Uh, she said 48.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  48, okay. And let's say she has a family history of breast cancer. Let's say she has a cluster of dysplastic cells, meaning cells that are not normal, that could eventually create a cancer. But there's so few of them and they're not that aggressive that they won't turn into a cancer until she turns 140 years old. But now you inject a bunch of stem cells around those cells. Those stem cells then will turn into the cells that they're around. Is it possible that now she develops a breast cancer, which she turns 60 or 65?

• 54:46Bunnie XO?

  Oh my goodness.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 54:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  And we don't know the answer to that. And unfortunately, we won't know the answer to that for decades.

• 54:53Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Because these operations have just been getting popular over the last few years.

• 54:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  And when I have brought this up with other plastic surgeon colleagues of mine, they kind of brush it off. They're like, well, you know, it's a safe operation, you know, what, we can't tell the future.

• 55:05Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  But these are things we need to know about. And so for me, I do fat grafting their breasts in rare cases. When patients have had typically, let's say they've had implants and they've had some major complication and they feel they, you know, that they don't look right. And we try to reconstruct them essentially.

• 55:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  Um, but you really want to weigh those risks versus benefits. And it really, it's looking at plastic surgery from a more holistic perspective. You know, I have this term called the America's holistic plastic surgeon. People are like, what does that mean? Well, this is one of those things. It's like not, not just focusing on the cosmetic result, but how does this affect your whole body? You know, because it does you no good if we make your breasts bigger with fat and then you develop breast cancer 15 years from now that you never would have had. And we just didn't understand it because we never actually thought about this any more holistic whole body perspective.

• 55:51Bunnie XO?

  Right. Also, another thing about getting just fat transfer and the difference between an augmentation and fat transfer. Because I have had my implants taken out. So if I were to go and get fat transfer, it doesn't create that bubble on the top. And I think a lot of people don't realize that when you just only get fat transfer in your boobs, it's going to fill out more of the bottom. And like, not have the roundness.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  You can't create roundness with that. It's just that you can maybe get about a half a cup because about half that fat's going to disappear.

• 56:21Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 56:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:22Bunnie XO?

  Unless it's me, my body loves fat. I had fat transferred to my ass and I swear it keeps growing.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  Uh, it does, but usually it's if you gain weight. Like I had one patient who I had put fat in her lips. Then she got pregnant, maybe a couple of years later. And she was like, she messaged me, she's laughing. She's like, oh my gosh, my lips are so huge.

• 56:40Bunnie XO?

  No. Who knew that your lips could grow like that? But if you think about it, could the stem cells?

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Well, it's fat, you know, you put fat somewhere and when you gain weight, the fat cells get larger.

• 56:49Bunnie XO?

  Oh my goodness, that is hilarious.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:51Bunnie XO?

  What is the scariest thing you've ever seen during a surgery? Any paranormal spookies?

• 56:57Speaker 04

  Um, you know, I can tell you this wasn't scary, but something that was, I guess, kind of in a paranormal, but this is not like the spooky thing. Right. So I had a patient of mine, this is a story actually out of my book, Playing God, but um, this is a woman who came to see me. She was in her early sixties. She was really overweight, um, and she had a cane. So she walks into my office, um, on a cane, barely able to walk. And I took a look at her chart and she is like, has every medical problem known to man. Like she was diabetic, she had had, um, stents placed from having a heart attack. Um, she had, was on blood thinners and like everything you can think of. It's what we call in medicine, a train wreck. And, uh, and yeah, it's not a nice term, but this is what we call it. If you go to the ER and like, oh, this person's a train wreck, you know, geez, they've got every medical issue. Right.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  Um, and so she comes to see me and I was like, well, what can I do for you? And she said, uh, I had a tummy tuck done by another surgeon and everything fell apart. And she said, my tummy is a mess. I'm in so much pain that I can barely walk. And she get tears, she got tears in her eyes and she's like, Dr. Youn, I need you to help me. She said, I've been to 10 other, 10 or 12 or some other plastic surgeons and everybody has turned me down and you're my last hope. So I said, well, what's going on? And she said, so I had this operation by this other doctor. They removed the skin from my tummy and then everything turned black. My tissue died and I was in the hospital for months. And now everything is scarred in and it's just so painful. And she got tears in her eyes and she said, Dr. Youn, I can't even play with my granddaughter.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  She goes, the one thing I want to do is be able to play with my granddaughter again. And so I look at her information and I tell her, I'm like, look, you know, you've got so many medical issues. They probably turned you down because you're such high risk. Like you can die from this operation. Right. And she goes, my life is over right now as it is. Like, what am I worried about? Oh, my gosh. So you know, somebody like that comes in and you look at all these things and you're just like, Dang, you know, if I were to bring this person to surgery, she could die on the operating table, or she could have a bleeding complication afterwards. There's so many things that can go wrong.

• 58:56Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 58:57Speaker 04

  But this was one of those handful of times as a physician where I go over all this stuff and I look at it and I just have this sense of assuredness that everything was going to be okay and that this was something that I had to do for her. Although like the scientific part of me, you know, the rational part of my head is like, say no, don't operate on her.

• 59:20Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  This is a big mistake.

• 59:22Bunnie XO?

  That's scary.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  But there was that part of me that was like, I've got to do this for her and, and for some reason, I know it's going to be okay.

• 59:26Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  So her surgery, so I tell her, look, I say, look, you know, I'm willing to do this operation for you, but I need to tell you, like, I don't know what's going to happen. Like, I can't guarantee a result. And I said, you know, we can try to get your insurance to pay for it. I didn't even know that they're going to pay for it. And I said, well, but, but let's do this. I feel like I need to help you. So the, the night before her surgery, I don't do this most, I don't do this much, but I prayed for her and I prayed that the surgery was going to go fine and that she was going to do fine.

• 59:53Bunnie XO?

  You're such a sweet doctor.

• 59:54Speaker 04

  And I, I get to the operating room, we do this operation and it goes so smoothly. Like, it literally took like two and a half hours, removed all the scarred tissue, and she just flew in her post-operative recovery. And I knew at the time when I was operating, as things were going along, like, I didn't, I didn't feel alone. Like, I felt like I was being guided.

• 1:00:14Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  So the funny thing is, she comes back a few weeks later. I think I went on vacation or something, so I hadn't seen her. And she came back a few weeks later, no cane. She has a cake that she baked for me. And she's like, and she knew that her insurance had rejected the claim that they weren't going to pay for her surgery. And she's like, look, I'm really sorry. I don't have any money to pay you. She goes, but here's a cake that I baked for you. And I tell you, Bunny, I have a rule that whenever my patients bring in food to my office, I will not eat it because I don't know what their kitchen looks like. They could have chachi, like, standing on their counters and like-

• 1:00:45Bunnie XO?

  You sound like me, I'm the same way. If I don't know where it came from, I'm not eating it.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  So I'm like, oh, okay.

• 1:00:51Bunnie XO?

  What if they decided to make like, you know, weed brownies or something like that?

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  I'm like, oh, okay. You know, that's really nice. This is like my usual, like, oh, thanks. And so she'd tell them, she's like, Dr. Yuen, she goes, you know, she goes, why did you do it? Why'd you do this operation? Everybody else turned me down. And I said, you know, I just had this feeling that this was the right thing to do, that you needed my help and that I wasn't alone doing this, that, that somebody was guiding me. And so, So she says, you know, and she's like, gives me a piece of the cake. And like, I finally like, okay, fine, I'll eat it. So she was like, she thanked me and she said, I'm, I was so excited. I was hanging out with my granddaughter last night and I'm able to play with her again. And she just thanked me for it. And it's like, I mean, so sometimes every once in a while as a physician, there are these handful of patients through your lives that, you know,

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  through your career that just mean everything. And it has nothing to do with the money. It has nothing to do like, oh, this fine result that I'm so proud of. It's just like you changed somebody's life and it just means everything.

• 1:01:47Bunnie XO?

  Chicken soup for the soul.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  It's that type of thing.

• 1:01:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  Just not quite so cheesy.

• 1:01:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I love that. That's a beautiful story.

• 1:01:54Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:01:55Bunnie XO?

  Tummy tuck or lipo for fluff that won't go away after having kids.

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  Depends on wear and skin quality. So tummy tucks remove excess skin typically below the belly button, above the pubic area. But you trade it for a hip to hip scar and a scar around the belly button. Okay. There's no other way around it. Like, there's no secret to it. It's just you cut that extra skin and fat out, then you pull the skin down, and then you trade it for those scars. Lipo is removal of fat. And if you've had multiple kids and you're talking about the tummy, most likely you're talking to tummy tuck. If you haven't had kids and you've got love handles or something like that, and your skin is pretty tight, then that's what lipo can help with. So tummy tuck is for excess skin of the tummy. Lipo does not do that. It, if anything, can make it worse.

• 1:02:38Bunnie XO?

  Right. Yeah. So if you go and you get lipo and you have, you know, a lot of fat right there, and they pull it out, the skin can hang. So you're just gonna end up having to get a tummy tuck anyways.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. So if you're unhappy with your tummy after having kids, most of the time, lipo is not going to be a good solution. Most of the time, you're looking at a tummy tuck.

• 1:02:56Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:58Bunnie XO?

  What is the wildest request you've ever had for a surgery?

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  Oh, you know, I can tell you a wild story.

• 1:03:05Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I'm ready.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  Okay. I mean, I get wild requests, but this was like a wild story. I had a patient who came in to see me. This was, I literally was in practice for four months. So you have this new plastic surgeon in Michigan. I thought I was kind of like, in my head, I was trying to present myself like as a Beverly Hills big shot, because I trained out in Beverly Hills. And now I'm in like Rochester Hills, Michigan, this small town. And I'm, and You know, I, at the same time, inside, I knew, like, I'm, I'm brand new, I'm green, like, I've not treated people by myself before, and I was nervous. But on the surface, it's like, oh, yeah, sure, you know, I'm a real plastic surgeon, I trained in Beverly Hills. I got this. So this woman comes in, and she had had a facelift and a brow lift done by a different plastic surgeon. A guy who was really not thought of well in my community, is kind of a chop shop type guy.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  And so she had some areas where a little bit of loose skin here, her brows had dropped again and stuff, and she's like, can you fix me, or can you make things better? So I'm like, and she goes, I used to be a model, and she was now in her late 50s, she goes, I used to be a model, and now I'm just feeling like I've lost it, and can you please help me? And I felt bad for her. So I said, you know what, let me give you a discount, and let's do this operation, and it was a brow lift and a facelift. And I brought her to surgery, and the surgery went perfectly. So she comes back to see me at one week, and she was happy at one week, and then at three weeks, she was happy. And then all of a sudden, I get a call from her a couple of weeks later, saying that, that I botched her, and that she is gonna go see some other surgeons to see what can be done to fix it.

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  So now, like, I'm literally four months in practice, I'd never had an unhappy patient before, I didn't know what to do with it. And so, I, I call her up, and I say, hey, what's going on? She goes, you botched me, I'm trying to find somebody to fix this. And I, so I said, well, please just come back to the office, let's take a peek at it, because last time I saw her, she looked great, like, healing was fine. So I said, just come back to the office, and let's just take a peek and see what's going on, you know, let's see what I can do to help you. So she comes into the office, she comes barging into, I, I schedule her at the end of the day, because I'm thinking, like, I think she's mad, and I don't want her to scare other patients away. Right. So you always schedule them at the end of the day, so that they don't, like, you know, ruin the rest of your day and scare everybody away. So she comes in, she barges in the door, and she is pissed off.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Her face is bright red, and she starts screaming at me, and she's like, you botched me, you botched me, you made me look oriental. And I'm like, oriental? She goes, you made me look like you. And I'm like, what? And like, she's Caucasian, you know, and like, no, she doesn't look Asian. And so I go, well, I go, let's settle down, she goes, I saw this other doctor, and he told me I, that, that I'm a train wreck now, that I, that you completely botched me. And I'm like, I'm actually really good friends with this doctor, there's no way he would ever say that. And I don't tell her this, but I go, well, I go, what can I do to try to make it up for you? Like, let's, you know, let's, let's see what we can do together. And she goes, you better pay me a half a million dollars, or I'm gonna run you out of town. And I go, I don't have, like, I was literally $200,000 in debt.

• 1:05:58Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  I

• 1:06:00Bunnie XO?

  Did she look Asian?

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  No, she looked fine. She was healing fine. Looking at her incisions, everything was healing fine. She had body dysmorphia. What she looked and saw in the mirror was different than what everybody else saw.

• 1:06:10Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  So I'm like, I go, look, I don't have a half a million dollars. Like, I'm like, I'm literally 200 grand in debt myself. And that's my debt. My wife had another 200 grand. So we're like, almost half a million the whole as it is.

• 1:06:21Bunnie XO?

  Gosh.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  And so, so I go, I don't have that money. And she goes 400, or she goes $150,000. You pay me $150,000 and I will forget that you destroyed my face. And I go, look, you actually look fine. Like, let's talk this over. And then she goes carte blanche. Carte blanche, I get whatever I want by whatever surgeon I want for the next three years and you pay for it. And I'm like, I mean, what, this isn't like a

• 1:06:42Bunnie XO?

  She's literally negotiating with you.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  So I go, look, I can't do that. Then she goes, if you don't do that, then I'm gonna send you back to LA where the only people who allow you to operate in them are the whores. And she starts running my, through my office, literally screaming, "The whores, the whores, the whores!" She goes up to my big window and like a horror movie, she's like, "I'm a monster!" Looking at the window, screaming at the top of her lungs. And so I'm like, oh my, and now I knew that she was gonna be unhappy. So I actually wrote her a check for what I had, what she paid me and what her hospital fees were. Like, I would have, it's like more than what I made, like, what she paid me and a lot more. Because before, you know, when, before she came in, I had this feeling like this is gonna go bad.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  And I had a release for her where if she were to sign the release, then like it releases me of indemnity of, of any responsibility. So I say, look, I go, I've got a check for the cost of your operation. I go, this is money that you paid the hospital too. I go, I will give you this check if you sign this release. And she goes, she looks at it, she goes, "This is all you're offering me?" And she goes, "I will destroy you. I've got good friends in town and we're gonna send you back to where you came from." And she leaves and slams the door and leaves. My employees are like hiding under their desks and they're like, "Oh my gosh." So I call up my old mentor in LA who he has seen freaking everything. I remember he told me back in the day, he said, "I had a patient of mine."

• 1:08:06Speaker 04

  He goes, "Yeah, I had a patient of mine who was stalking me, would actually be in bushes in front of my house and looking through my windows." And so I'm like, well, he had this person like that person was nuts. So maybe he knows what to do. So I call him up and I say, hey, doc, I'm like this woman. She's like going crazy. I think she's gonna like she's threatening. She actually threatened to hit me with her car at one point and she's gonna like, I think she's gonna attack me. And I go, what did you do to get rid of that patient? And he goes, oh, simple. I hired some guys to beat her up.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  And I'm like, I don't, I can't, I'm not gonna hire people that I don't even know who to hire to call anyway. Like not that I would hire somebody to beat up a patient of mine. So I, I, so I'm like, okay, thanks for nothing. And he's like, tell me what happens. This is exciting. And I hang up on him.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  This is exciting.

• 1:08:50Speaker 04

  So I'm standing there. I'm like, what do I do? And like my employees, like their eyes are huge, like all of a sudden bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And she's at the door and my employees are like, she probably has a gun. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And they're like, don't open the door. And I like, I kind of like a ninja. I like creep up to where the window is and like I look around the corner and like I'm looking like there's no gun or anything.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  So I go up to the door, I open it up. She, she barges in, takes a check that I had put on the front desk, puts it in her pocket, signs the release, walks up to me and she goes, this is not over. And she walks out the door. And so now the next day I had an operation. It was actually a breast reconstruction on a woman who had these huge breasts. And she'd had cancer and this and that. It was gonna be one of the most difficult, probably the most difficult operation I was supposed, I was gonna do up to that point in my career.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Poor thing.

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  I could not sleep overnight and I call her up. It was like five in the morning. And I go, I'm really sorry. I said, I can't operate on you today. She goes, well, that's okay. And she's just so nice. She goes, we'll, we'll do this later. And I go, no, I go, I don't think I can operate on you. And for months I had like lost all sense of like confidence in myself because like here I, what did I do to this woman? So a couple of weeks go by and I'm at the hospital treating a patient and I get a call from my office and they're like, you need to come back. That patient's mom has left you a message. So I go, what is the message? And then the message is you need to call me. My daughter is suicidal. So now I'm like, I'm like, fuck.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  This now my what happened like my patient's gonna freaking kill herself because of this freaking facelift that I did on her and like what do I do I called one of my best friends a psychiatrist? And I say, Brian, like, this is what's going on. Like, what do I do? And he goes, you need to tell her mom to call the police and send her to the hospital immediately because you know if she's suicidal, you've got to do that. So I'm like, okay, so I call her mom up and I'm like, hey, this is Dr. You and I'm calling, you know, you left me a message about your daughter. And and you said she is suicidal. Is that true? And she goes, what suicidal? What are you talking about? And I go, well, this is what message was left. And she goes, no, no, that's a figure of speech. She needs more money to pay for what you did to her.

• 1:11:04Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, like this is an 80 year old woman, 85 year old woman trying to like, trying to like blackmail me for more money.

• 1:11:12Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:11:13Speaker 04

  So I'm like, look, I'm sorry, this conversation's over and and like that was the end of it, but.

• 1:11:19Bunnie XO?

  And you never heard from them again?

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  You know, I so I referred her in I referred her initially when she called before I saw her and that whole crazy episode happened. And I gave her some names of some local surgeons who are much older than me, who've been very established.

• 1:11:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:11:33Speaker 04

  And so I ran into one of them at a meeting a couple of years later. And he was like, hey, Tony, I'm like, oh, hey, how's it going? And and he's like, you know, that one patient I'm like, oh, I know who you're talking about. And he goes, she's effing crazy.

• 1:11:46Bunnie XO?

  She was just looking for a paycheck.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  I think that she saw this young naive, like, nice surgeon and was like, and got a nice result. I think part of it may be BDD, like body dysmorphia.

• 1:11:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  And part of it is like, I'm gonna take this guy for everything he has. And like now I would handle that experience very differently in my career. Like, I would never let somebody talk to me that way.

• 1:12:07Bunnie XO?

  Ever.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  But at the time, I was literally four months in practice and like I was so green and just wanting to make everybody happy and develop this little practice. And it's like, so traumatic.

• 1:12:17Bunnie XO?

  I hate that. I would think being a plastic surgeon, you would deal with everybody that comes in there has body dysmorphia. I know I have.

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  It's like at least 10% of patients. Yeah. And it's tough.

• 1:12:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  It can be really hard.

• 1:12:30Bunnie XO?

  Crazy.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you know, in the end, it's the problem with body dysmorphia. I mean, you say, look, I have body dysmorphia. The fact that you say that means you probably really don't have much of it. And you may have some of it because one huge thing with body dysmorphia is that people who have it don't believe they have it, you know? And so somebody will say, hey, they've got like a little bump on their nose. And for you and I, we may see him and go, oh, there's a little bump there. Their nose looks fine. But to them, that bump is the size of Mount Rushmore. And they don't understand why we can't see how horrible their nose looks. And so a lot of times then they'll undergo surgery after surgery after surgery to correct a perceived problem that was never even there in the first place. And they don't even, and, and for them, the reality is very different, you know? They see things that we literally don't see, like it's their reality.

• 1:13:15Bunnie XO?

  They tell me I have body dysmorphia all the time.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  You think so, Mimi?

• 1:13:22Bunnie XO?

  You feel like answering a few more questions?

• 1:13:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, of course. I won't be so long-winded on the next one.

• 1:13:26Bunnie XO?

  No, you're fine. I love it. I love learning about this stuff and listening to it. It's just fascinating to me. Like, I, I've always wanted to ask a plastic surgeon, what is it like? I don't know if this is too graphic, but what is it like the first time you cut into a body? Today's episode is brought to you by Vinted. Y'all know how it goes. You open your closet and have a million things hanging up, but somehow still feel like you have nothing to wear. That's me. And let's be real, half that stuff hasn't been touched in forever. Instead of letting all those clothes just sit there taking up space, you might as well make a little money off of them. If you haven't used it yet, Vinted is a secondhand marketplace app that makes it so simple to sell the quality clothes you no longer wear and discover unique pieces at great prices.

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• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  So we do that in

• 1:14:50Bunnie XO?

  He said.

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

  In medical school and residency.

• 1:14:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:53Speaker 04

  And it, you know, the good thing is that you're not the first one to do it. And so you're assisting.

• 1:14:58Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  Um, and, uh, I think it's the first time it's your patient is when it's really scary.

• 1:15:04Bunnie XO?

  Right. That's what, yeah.

• 1:15:05Speaker 04

  You know, cause being a resident, there was always backup, you know, like when we did surgery and in residency, you had the older surgeon basically saying like, cut here. I remember the first time they actually, um, I was operating with the surgeon. I was, I was, I think maybe an intern and I was doing essentially it was a hernia.

• 1:15:21Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  And that's like one of the basic operations and I'd never started an operation before. And we're standing there over the patient and he goes, Tony, get started. And I had a clamp in my hand or no, I had nothing in my hand. He goes, Tony, get started. And I had never started an operation before. So I'm like, uh, and I grabbed the clamp off of the, the, um, the mayo stand, which is the stand that the, that the scrub techs have. And he looks at me like, you idiot, are you going to make a cut with a clamp? I'm like, oh no, like, oh, can I have a scalpel, please?

• 1:15:52Bunnie XO?

  I'm, I.

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  So you gotta start in somewhere.

• 1:15:54Bunnie XO?

  That's what I mean. Like I, I could never do it. I would probably pass out.

• 1:15:57Speaker 04

  No, because it's, it's baby steps, you know? I mean, our training, you know, for me, my training started when I was a medical student and literally you're talking, I mean, I did six years.

• 1:16:06Bunnie XO?

  My husband is FaceTiming and I know he wants to say hi to you. So hold on one second. Hello?

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  Hello, Jelly Roll. Big fan, my friend, big fan.

• 1:16:16Bunnie XO?

  I'm a, I'm a big fan.

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  Oh, man, that's, that's an honor.

• 1:16:21Bunnie XO?

  I love you. We're in the middle of the pod, but I told him that I know you were calling just to say hi to him. Sorry. I knew you were in a little, uh, I was just gonna talk to him. Love you. Goodbye.

• 1:16:30Bunnie XO?

  Sorry. Um, so I, I just know that he was calling to say hi to you.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  It's all good. No, that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's baby steps.

• 1:16:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  I remember back, you know, now it's like I've, you, you start from literally doing the tiniest little procedures. I remember the first time I did spinal tap on a little baby and I was so nervous as a medical student. But the, but the attending pediatrician was just so gentle and reassuring that, that you learn these things of, of how to help teach. And, and it gets to, you know, it, and I think the big thing a lot of surgeons forget. Is that we were once at that beginning stage too.

• 1:17:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:17:02Speaker 04

  So occasionally I'll have residents come work with me and stuff like that. And I think a lot of surgeons forget what it was like when you were at the bottom of the totem pole.

• 1:17:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:17:11Speaker 04

  And my third book was called Playing God and it's this idea that surgeons have of this god complex. Where they feel that they are just so superior sometimes to everybody else. Because they lose track of where they started, you know.

• 1:17:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  For me, I look at that medical student that was like so excited to do a spinal tap and then like so nervous because here's this little kid, this little baby, you know. All the way up to now where it's like, yeah, I've had people say, thank you for saving my life. And you know, and I've cut people's skin open and pull out, it's like, when you think about it, like. How arrogant do you have to be to think that you can cut somebody open, especially in plastic surgery? Where they're completely healthy and you make them unhealthy for a period of time, expecting that they're going to be healthy again.

• 1:17:49Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  And that that's how you make your living, like how arrogant does that have to be?

• 1:17:53Bunnie XO?

  It's beautiful, but it's so barbaric at the same time.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  It can be.

• 1:17:57Bunnie XO?

  I had high def vasa lipo and then I also had fat transfer to my ass and. I'm telling you, I don't know, the healing for that was brutal.

• 1:18:07Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:18:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it was crazy and um, it's just, it's fascinating to know that you can cut somebody open. Take stuff out, sew them up again, and then the outcome is absolutely gorgeous.

• 1:18:20Speaker 04

  Well, it's like I said earlier, this idea of autajuvenation, it's your body has innate regenerative abilities to rejuvenate itself. Like our body wants to heal itself, it wants to be healthy, it wants to be vibrant and youthful, you know. And, and it's like you do things like that, you traumatize your body and it heals. And within a few weeks, it's like, wow, I'm back to exercising and stuff like that. It's just, once again, we, we need to ideally give it the abilities, the, the, not the ability, but the tools to do that and the environment to do that.

• 1:18:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  Uh, and that's what I think is so missing in a lot of today's lifestyle. And that's one of the big things I really bring up in the book.

• 1:18:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  You know, how do you do that? Like what tools do you give your body to, to get you feeling? Young and healthy and vibrant, you know, I think that there are so many people today that go through life not knowing. How amazing they can feel.

• 1:19:08Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  They don't know that all that gluten that they're eating potentially is causing them to feel real crummy. And unless they do what you did, go on an elimination diet, get rid of some of those things. It's like we, we have this thing in the book called the 21 day jumpstart. Where in three weeks or 21 days, basically what we do is we put them on a collagen supporting, healthy diet. We start them on intermittent fasting, weeks two and three, not week one, because we want to kind of ease them into it.

• 1:19:34Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:19:34Speaker 04

  We put them on certain supplements and skincare. And we do it just for 21 days. And the changes that we saw were incredible. Once again, giving your body just the right tools. We had people, and it's not like a facelift, like if you got jowls, you do a 21 day jumpstart, not doing a 21 day jumpstart. I can get rid of jowls or loose skin or whatever. But we had people where they were, where actual strangers would approach them on the street and say, what are you doing with your skin? Because I need to do what you're doing. Or they go out to dinner with their friends, not knowing that they're doing this jumpstart and their friends would be like, wow, your skin looks amazing. Are you doing something different? Like what's going on here? And it's just allowing your body to use those natural regenerative abilities to, you know, don't get in the way of it, you know?

• 1:20:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, let your body just be. I'm excited to read your books. I can't wait. Now that I know that you have four, I'm really excited. Cause I'm an information junkie. I always just want to consume. So I'm super excited about that. It says, I have factor five Leiden clotting disorder with previous DVT slash PE. Would I ever be allowed to have elective surgery?

• 1:20:36Speaker 04

  The answer is yes. So what she says is she's got a clotting disorder and the fact that she's had a DVT or PE is a big deal.

• 1:20:42Bunnie XO?

  In your leg, right?

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:20:43Bunnie XO?

  Pulmonary embolism, right?

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  Yes. It's a PE is a pulmonary embolism. A DVT is a deep vein thrombosis where you get a clot in your deep veins. That can kill you.

• 1:20:51Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  When you look at people who die from plastic surgery, then the most common cause is a DVT of deep vein thrombosis, a clot in your leg that eventually goes to your lungs, being a PE, and then people die from that.

• 1:21:02Bunnie XO?

  Goodness.

• 1:21:03Speaker 04

  And the ways to prevent that would be number one, to walk after surgery. Number two, to have less length of an operation, a shorter operation.

• 1:21:16Speaker 04

  And so for her, having that risk, most doctors, if she came to see me and wanted a high-risk operation like a tummy tuck, I would probably say, depending on what her condition was, if it was really purely cosmetic, it wasn't that bad, then I would really talk to her, like, are these risks worth the benefits?

• 1:21:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:21:32Speaker 04

  Because you can put a patient like that on blood thinners and help lower the risk of that happening, but then you increase the risk of bleeding.

• 1:21:41Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:41Speaker 04

  Okay? Because you put them on blood thinners afterwards.

• 1:21:43Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:21:44Speaker 04

  So you can technically do it, but do you want to go through that? That's going to be the big question. So it comes down to what operation you're thinking of, and then is it worth taking the risk of going on blood thinners for that operation?

• 1:21:56Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  And so let's say if her situation, she's like, look, Dr., you and I've had four kids, I've got skin that's hanging down to my mid-thigh, it chafes, I've got infections and stuff like that, then it may be worth taking that risk. If it's, well, I kind of want implants because I'm a C and I want to be a D, then maybe it's not really worth taking that risk, you know? Because do you want to potentially die from that?

• 1:22:16Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 1:22:16Speaker 04

  And so really, it's weighing those risk benefits that's most important.

• 1:22:19Bunnie XO?

  It's a great answer, though, for sure.

• 1:22:23Bunnie XO?

  Gosh, pulmonary, I just ripped my calf muscle on Halloween. It was the worst thing ever. And I kept telling everybody, I was like, I'm gonna get a blood clot, I know it. I was like so scared because, you know, I've never had that type of injury.

• 1:22:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, you gotta walk, that's the big thing.

• 1:22:36Bunnie XO?

  I did, I did for sure. And I got a compression sock and I still worked out even with the injury. Like, I was like, I'm determined to not do this. What is the most common procedure that you do? And also, what is your least favorite procedure to do?

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  So the most common procedure in my office is Botox. I mean, we are injecting Botox all day long in my office. I've got five injectors. Yeah, I mean, it's great. And I've injected myself here before. I just got Doxify a few months ago, which is a, believed to be a longer-lasting version of Botox.

• 1:23:06Bunnie XO?

  Is it like Nisport?

• 1:23:08Speaker 04

  Nisport is more, so Nisport, Botox and Daxify, you know, you get the same result. The idea really is that the Daxify will last longer. And there's little minor tweaks in between, like Nisport is more of a softer result. Usually a lot of people believe it spreads a little bit more.

• 1:23:22Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  Um, Daxify is mainly longer lasting.

• 1:23:24Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:23:25Speaker 04

  Um, and so in the office, uh, the number one thing is going to be Botox. As far as procedure surgery, my most common is breast implant surgery.

• 1:23:33Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:33Speaker 04

  Is breast augmentation. Um, least favorite operation, honestly, was rhinoplasty. I used to do a lot of rhinoplasties and I just never liked it.

• 1:23:42Bunnie XO?

  Brutal.

• 1:23:43Speaker 04

  So I stopped doing them, um.

• 1:23:45Bunnie XO?

  Why did you not like doing them?

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  So I trained with them and I saw a lot of just, just nightmare like revisions that would, not of my patients, but that you try to fix. And it's just, it's a really hard operation to get.

• 1:23:56Bunnie XO?

  And it's like the center of someone's face, you know?

• 1:23:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. And the problem with, the thing I didn't like about rhinoplasty is that you could do such a good job. It's so tedious and, um, uh, it's, it's so tedious. And the problem is you could get scar tissue that can develop that is not under your control, that can really impact your result because just a millimeter of scar tissue on a nose can be visible from a normal speaking distance.

• 1:24:22Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:24:23Speaker 04

  And so because of that, there's some of the result is without, is not in your hands. And so of all the surgeries we do cosmetically, rhinoplasty or nose jobs has the highest revision rate, where people want to go back to surgery to fix it up. And if you don't have your own operating room, which I do not, then you get in this really uncomfortable situation where if you get your nose done and you're unhappy with it and you want it to get revised, who pays for it?

• 1:24:45Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:24:46Speaker 04

  You know, I could do it for free, but then who pays for the anesthesia and the operating room? You know, and then you get into that situation where geez, if I think it's a good result, but, but the patient doesn't.

• 1:24:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:24:54Speaker 04

  Do I then pay the bill for that to try to make them happy? Do they pay for it? Like it just, ugh.

• 1:24:59Bunnie XO?

  You're such a nice doctor.

• 1:25:00Speaker 04

  I just always felt bad. And so I just never liked doing it.

• 1:25:02Bunnie XO?

  Most doctors would tell people to go F themselves.

• 1:25:05Speaker 04

  Um, yes, I've never told a patient to go F themselves. I've wanted to sometimes, usually the people I want to say that to are like the husbands or boyfriends of the patients. They I often want to say that to, but not the patients so much.

• 1:25:17Bunnie XO?

  Do you get that a lot? Like the boyfriends come in there and they're just like, like putting their input on what they want their girlfriends?

• 1:25:22Speaker 04

  It drives me nuts. Yeah. If you see my social media, like that's a lot of what I do is because like you just sometimes sit there and like, I mean, it baffles you on what some of these guys are doing. Like I had a patient. Just not that long ago, who had a complication from another surgeon and came to see me. This patient was literally lied when they say, oh, you know, I, I want to get a consultation. It was for breast implants.

• 1:25:43Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  And I want to get a consultation for breast implants. We got her in and then she came in, she had a tummy tucked down by me before, which had healed fine. And she had had surgery literally three weeks before she came to see me.

• 1:25:54Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:25:55Speaker 04

  She had implants put in by a different doctor and she was really unhappy. No, she had her implants taken out. That's what it was. She had her implants taken out. She had an explant and it was a mess.

• 1:26:03Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:26:04Speaker 04

  And so she came in to see me and she's like, uh, and, and the consult was for an explant.

• 1:26:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:26:10Speaker 04

  They didn't tell my office that it was three weeks that she'd had it by another doctor. So I'm looking at her and it was an out, like when you do explant surgery, uh, and you're essentially, these are taking implants out of somebody. Now, if you've got like, you know, you had large breasts and so you take your implants out and your breasts just look smaller and they look flatter. But if you don't have enough breast tissue and you take implants out, it can look like, like a balloon that deflated and, but stayed stretched out essentially. So that's what she looked like.

• 1:26:38Bunnie XO?

  They do fluff back up though after it took. See mine fluffed up a lot after I'd have to say six months to a year. My boobs look like they did when they, I was 19. Like they were like, I, maybe I was a lucky one, but yeah.

• 1:26:52Speaker 04

  Usually that's not the case.

• 1:26:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I mean, I, I, everybody thinks I still have implants.

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  I mean, it's probably just naturally you've got large breasts. And I do think that sometimes the body wants to be a certain size.

• 1:27:03Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:27:03Speaker 04

  No matter what you do. Uh, but this patient was a mess and I was just like, and it was three weeks out and she's like, what do I do? And I said, look, the only way for us to fix this honestly is to put smaller implants back in and then heal, give it six months to heal, then we'll take those out and do this the right way.

• 1:27:19Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  I go, that's the only way I can fix you. The other surgeon recommended in fat grafting, but her, she had so many of these folds in her breasts where things had deflated and had scarred in or were starting to scar in. I'm like, I can't fix that. We have to put the implants back in, reinflate you, and then we'll do it the right way. And, and, and she goes, yeah, that's the right thing to do. She goes, that sounds correct. And her husband's like, nope, we're not doing that. And I look at him, I'm like, what? And she's like, and she looks at him, she's like, I think this makes total sense. You know, the other doctor really messed it up and like, it doesn't look right. He goes, that's not my plan. I've got my own plan for you.

• 1:27:50Bunnie XO?

  Ew.

• 1:27:51Speaker 04

  And he was some type of a doctor, but he was not a plastic surgeon.

• 1:27:53Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:27:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so I'm looking at him like, okay. And I go, and I explained exactly like, this is what totally makes sense. And it really, when you look at her, by like 100%, this is a way to get her looking the way she wanted to.

• 1:28:05Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  And he is just like, nope, I've got my own plans. And, you know, thank you so much for your time, doctor. We're leaving.

• 1:28:12Bunnie XO?

  That's so cringey.

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  After she had, she is like, yes, this makes sense to me. Let's do this, Dr. Youn. And then he all, he's sitting there and, you know, they had this arms folded and it's like, no, no, you're not doing that. I got my own plans for you. And like, what kind of doctor? He's like, maybe he's a podiatrist for all I know. Like, why is he deciding what she should have done? It's this, you hear this all, this type of stuff all the time.

• 1:28:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I don't think I've ever brought a man into my plastic surgery appointments because I, it's my body and I'm going to do what I want with it. I don't care what their opinion is. So ladies, leave them in at home, unless they're supportive.

• 1:28:43Speaker 04

  Yes. Yeah. I mean, and, and I'd say 95% of men who are there are super supportive. They're like, whatever you want. Like, I, I don't think you need anything. You're beautiful the way you are, but whatever you want is fine. I'll support you. And like, that's the way you gotta do it. But every so often you get some guys that are just like, uh, yeah, I want her to be bigger than that. And you're just like, what? Like, she's like, I like this size. I'm like, honey, you told me you were going to go bigger. You know, I like big breasts. And it's like, oh.

• 1:29:06Bunnie XO?

  I can't stand that.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  It just, yeah, like you just want to smack them, but.

• 1:29:11Bunnie XO?

  Let's touch base on your social media because you have a huge following on TikTok. You're at like, what, 8.1 million?

• 1:29:18Speaker 04

  I think I'm at 8.3 or something.

• 1:29:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Like, that's insane. Like, you are TikTok's plastic surgeon.

• 1:29:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's kind of funny.

• 1:29:25Bunnie XO?

  Do you love it?

• 1:29:26Speaker 04

  All the teenagers, like, they recognize me and my kids get a kick out of it.

• 1:29:29Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:29:31Speaker 04

  I'm actually somehow the cool dad. Like, I was never the cool teenager, but I've somehow the cool dad.

• 1:29:35Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy how life comes full circle?

• 1:29:38Speaker 04

  It's more like, not a full circle, more like 180 degrees.

• 1:29:42Bunnie XO?

  But I mean, you do such a good job. Like, is

• 1:29:45Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:29:46Bunnie XO?

  Do you have a marketing team? Or do you do that all yourself?

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  No, it's all me.

• 1:29:48Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:29:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, you know, it's when the pandemic hit and I started creating content. I was trying to figure out, how do I, how do I like pay my employees? And the biggest check I was getting was from Google for my YouTube channel.

• 1:30:01Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 1:30:01Speaker 04

  So I'm like, well, let me create more content. And I wasn't worried about getting patients in because my office was closed for two and a half months. So it's like, hey, let me just create content that could make people smile, take them out of the crazy, lonely, scary time for even 30 seconds. And it's like what you're doing. I mean, it's, I love what you're doing. It's like you give people a chuckle. It's like you're not taking yourself too seriously.

• 1:30:20Bunnie XO?

  You can't.

• 1:30:21Speaker 04

  And people love that.

• 1:30:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:22Speaker 04

  And, um, and one of the best things I got is I had all these messages after, you know, things kind of opening up. And it's like, hey, thank you for keeping, for keeping me company during the pandemic.

• 1:30:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:32Speaker 04

  I was lonely and I, you helped keep me company. I'm like, oh, that's so cool.

• 1:30:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. It's amazing what just a smile can do for somebody, you know? Like, you never know who's watching that video on the other end. And I think it's awesome that you have created this community of a safe space where people can actually come to you. And you're actually like accessible. Most plastic surgeons or like doctors of your stature are not accessible. And I think that's what kind of sets you apart. So.

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  I think that part of it is like, I mean, it's weird, like not caring about clout gives you clout.

• 1:31:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:31:03Speaker 04

  And there's so many people in my field who are buying followers, you know?

• 1:31:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:07Speaker 04

  You could tell like, you know, they've got like, you know, more, more Instagram followers than me, but they get like three comments and like three comments and 20,000 likes. And you're like, what? Like, there's something wrong here.

• 1:31:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you're like, what's going on?

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, the field of plastic surgery, it's, it, there's a lot of really good doctors out there. And then there's a lot of people who are just, they want clout and they want money. And like, that's all that matters. And it's just, it's nuts.

• 1:31:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  You know, and there's so much more to life than that. Yeah, so.

• 1:31:33Bunnie XO?

  Sitting here talking to you makes me have faith in the medical field again because for the longest time I lost hope because you run into so many doctors who don't have a heart and don't care about their patients and, you know, sitting here with you for this past, you know, hour and a half, two hours has been kind of healing because we need more doctors like you in the world and people who actually really care and have a heart and, you know, want people to heal and not just hurt. So, thank you.

• 1:31:58Speaker 04

  I think that there's a lot of doctors who want that. I think there's a lot of doctors unfortunately right now that don't know what they don't know. And what we're talking about, a lot of things we're talking about with kind of alternative medicine and holistic medicine and looking at the root cause of both aging as well as disease. There is a big trend towards going in that direction and I'm really happy to see that. And eventually traditional medicine is going to get there because for me, I believe that the best approach when you're looking at health is combining both the east and west. Is it true what we call integrative approach where you combine traditional medicine, which is definitely needed, you know, when you get injured, you need traditional medicine.

• 1:32:35Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 1:32:36Speaker 04

  But with alternative medicine and progressive kind of health where we're looking at things, you know, like your environmental exposures, you know, like what you're putting on your skin, like the type of food that you're eating, all that is so, so important. And they're just not getting it in traditional medical school much at all.

• 1:32:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  But there's a trend that that direction and I have faith in the younger generation that they're going to make the world a better place than what, you know, see, I'm Gen X.

• 1:32:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:59Speaker 04

  You're a millennial.

• 1:33:00Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm a, I'm 43, so.

• 1:33:02Speaker 04

  You're a millennial, I think.

• 1:33:03Bunnie XO?

  Nope, I'm Gen X.

• 1:33:06Speaker 04

  You're X with me?

• 1:33:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:08Speaker 04

  As I say, I mean, I feel like our generation has dropped the ball a little bit. Like, I feel like the, I see my kids and their generation and I feel like they're, they're less judgmental than we are. They care more about the environment and the world and doing the right thing in general.

• 1:33:24Bunnie XO?

  That's because we raised them right. Our parents, we had, we kind of had to get our parents' trauma pushed on us and they're, the way that they were raised pushed on us, whereas we kind of figured it out for ourselves as we got older. So now we're getting, we're giving them the opportunity to be less non-judgmental and more open to things.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  I think there's definitely something there.

• 1:33:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:46Speaker 04

  But I have faith in that, you know, that the world is always. You know, it always goes in the right direction eventually and fits and starts and ups and downs, but eventually it goes in the right direction.

• 1:33:54Bunnie XO?

  I love it. Dr. Tony, your book comes out January 2nd, correct? And it's gonna be, they could buy it anywhere?

• 1:34:02Speaker 04

  So, yes, so it's called Younger for Life. It's wherever books are sold. I try to encourage people to support your local bookstore. One way you can do that is if you go to bookshop.org. Bookshop.org is a website where, kind of like Amazon or Barnes & Noble and stuff like that, where if you actually put the book in there and you can actually choose your local independent bookstore, and anything that you buy, that profit of that sale will go to that independent bookstore.

• 1:34:25Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow. I never knew that.

• 1:34:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, so if you've got a little one, like a small bookstore in your community, and they're not big enough to have their own big website and fancy website, most of the time, they're gonna be on bookshop.org. And if you buy the book, like my book, Younger for Life on there, you can choose that bookstore and then actually give the profit to them. So, it's really cool that way. But otherwise, it's at Costco, it's at Target, it's everywhere. You know, I don't want to get those places mad at me.

• 1:34:46Bunnie XO?

  How accomplished do you feel, though, being an author of four books? Like, that's amazing. I'm writing my first book this year and I couldn't even imagine having four.

• 1:34:54Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like having a baby. It's, you're proud of it, but it can be quite painful, the writing process. But in the end, like, when you see the results of it and you hear from people whose lives are changed from it, it's, definitely makes that path worthwhile.

• 1:35:09Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. You guys go out and get this book when it drops. By the time this, this will probably be coinciding with your drop, too. So, yeah. So, you guys go out and get this book. I'm gonna read it, so I'm sure you guys will hear about it on future podcasts. Dr. Tony, thank you so much for coming and just sitting with me. And I just love picking your brain. And you need to come back like, once a year.

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  I'd love that, definitely.

• 1:35:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that would be awesome. Why don't you tell people where they can find you and your practice and plug all things?

• 1:35:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I'm all over social media. If you are interested in the book, though, go to autogenuination.com. We talked about autogenuination, the kind of five ways to target that. But autogenuination.com, if you do buy the book, we do have free gifts, including a companion recipe book with really tasty recipes. We give a $30 gift certificate to my online store, You and Beauty. So, I've got my own line of natural and organic skincare products.

• 1:35:56Bunnie XO?

  Yes, which he brought me a whole bag.

• 1:35:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I hope you like them.

• 1:35:59Bunnie XO?

  I'm going to rub them all over my face tonight. You guys have no idea how excited I am.

• 1:36:03Speaker 04

  The idea is that Yoon Beauty is a combination of medical grade products that are natural and organic.

• 1:36:08Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  It's the idea is to bridge the gap between natural products and medical grade products so that you kind of have the best of both.

• 1:36:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:14Speaker 04

  So we give you a gift certificate for that. There's a quick start guide, a bunch of other things. If you get the book, go to autajuvenation.com.

• 1:36:21Bunnie XO?

  Yay, love that. And then social media is just Dr. Tony everywhere?

• 1:36:24Speaker 04

  It's Dr. Yoon and then Instagram, I'm Tony Yoon M.D. because I can't get anybody there to let me change my name, so.

• 1:36:31Bunnie XO?

  Are you verified?

• 1:36:32Speaker 04

  Dr. Yoon everywhere. I'm verified everywhere.

• 1:36:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's why. Once you're verified, you can't change your name.

• 1:36:35Speaker 04

  You just, I can't get ahold of anybody at Instagram either way, but all the other ones I can. But yeah, you can just find me, Dr. Yoon, you'll find me. I'm very easy to find. I'm everywhere.

• 1:36:44Bunnie XO?

  You're awesome. Thank you so much.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  Appreciate it.

• 1:36:46Bunnie XO?

  All right. Thank you, guys, for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you, guys, next week. Bye.