#444 - Something Very Strange Is Happening at The Vatican | Exiled Minister

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• 1:04Danny Jones?

  All right, Kevin and Annette.

• 1:06Speaker 04

  Annette.

• 1:06Danny Jones?

  Is that your real name?

• 1:07Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:08Danny Jones?

  It is?

• 1:09Speaker 04

  The, uh, I travel under another name.

• 1:12Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:13Speaker 04

  I faced and am facing a serious blacklisting in Canada, so it's hard to, uh...

• 1:19Danny Jones?

  Serious what? Blacklisting?

• 1:20Speaker 04

  Blacklisting, yeah. It's just been hard, impossible to get work and so...

• 1:25Danny Jones?

  Canada's a crazy place, huh? They seem to be a little bit more, they seem to be more totalitarian than China even.

• 1:31Speaker 04

  They're really, uh, similar. Like, the Trudeau government gave China the right to station troops on Canadian soil to protect all its oil and gas in the west and up north. So, I mean, yeah, it operates that way.

• 1:43Danny Jones?

  The Trudeau family, there are some weird things about them too.

• 1:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:47Danny Jones?

  Lots of strange things. One of the crazy conspiracies is that his, uh, dad was Fidel Castro. Have you heard that one?

• 1:54Speaker 04

  I've heard that. I know that his mom Margaret, um, was treated in a psych ward where they did a lot of M K L T experiments and all three of the Trudeau boys were brought in there at a young age. I know that from nurses who worked there in Vancouver. It's called the Hollywood Hospital.

• 2:08Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 2:09Speaker 04

  And, uh, yeah, so there is that whole, they were both Jesuit educated, uh, Pierre and Justin, his son, so...

• 2:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I heard that, like, the mom was, uh, went through some crazy shit.

• 2:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24Danny Jones?

  And, uh, had potentially like lots of children that she doesn't even know about or something like that.

• 2:30Speaker 04

  Could be, I wouldn't doubt it.

• 2:31Danny Jones?

  And, um, yeah, weird, like, seems to be like a very creepy history with that family. Lots of weird, weird things that are happening. How did you get connected to, you said you know people who know them?

• 2:44Speaker 04

  In all my work over the years. Uh, and I was based out of Vancouver where she lived. Her dad was a cabinet minister in the Pearson government, uh, Sinclair, their name was.

• 2:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  And, uh, yeah, so living in Vancouver as a minister, working on the street, you hear all sorts of this stuff, right? From eyewitnesses and stuff, so...

• 3:03Danny Jones?

  So you were a minister?

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:05Danny Jones?

  How did that help, how did that start for you?

• 3:08Speaker 04

  I, in my late twenties, I went into the United Church and, uh, worked for a few years. I ended up in the west coast and began to encounter a lot of this stuff in the native community. And that whole, opened a whole can of worms about the Indian schools and all the children dying there. That's really what got me fired initially and delisted, they call it in the church where you can't work anymore. So...

• 3:32Danny Jones?

  What denomination was the church?

• 3:34Speaker 04

  So, United Church is the largest Protestant, it's like Presbyterian Methodist, kinda.

• 3:39Danny Jones?

  And how long were you a minister?

• 3:41Speaker 04

  Uh, total of, uh, seven years. And after that, again, the blacklisting set in. We're not on, are we?

• 3:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we're rolling. Oh, yeah.

• 3:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe I should, I don't know. Do you want me to give a bit of a background?

• 3:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, of course. Please.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  So, yeah, I grew up in western Canada and in my late twenties, like I said, went into the United Church. And I had a really kind of community ministry orientation where, uh, I didn't believe in kind of organized religion. I felt we had to be out in the community, working with people. It was kind of my natural inclination. So I get ordained in 1990 and I'm married at the time. We have two young daughters. And I get called out to the west coast of Canada. So this is Vancouver Island, Pacific Northwest. You know, kind of northwest to Seattle, that whole area.

• 4:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  And, um, I began to work with the native people, which I had had a background doing that. And, um, already in Vancouver, doing street ministry and that. But it was quite mind blowing. The week I get there, I'm hired by this dying congregation, St. Andrews United Church. And they said to me, "We need somebody who's gonna bring in new blood, you know, young people. And we wanna save our congregation from dying." So I said, "Great." That's my traditional orientation. And I, I noticed there were no native people sitting in any of the pews, working in any of the stores, which is odd because nearly half of the local people were Aboriginal, right?

• 5:12Danny Jones?

  Oh, interesting.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  There was kind of this apartheid division. You never saw whites and natives mixed together or anything, right?

• 5:18Danny Jones?

  What do the native people look like? They look different?

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, on the Pacific coast, they look kind of Japanese because there's an interesting connection across the Pacific. Uh, the natives talk about the whites before the whites. And we don't know if that was the Vikings who came in over through the Northwest Passage or somebody else, right? So it's kind of a whole interesting area about that, right?

• 5:38Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, anyway, I get, right, that first week when I started in the, in the church, I got called out to a native home by a guy called Danny Gus. He was a retired native fisherman. And he wanted to get married to his partner after like 30 years. They finally decided to tie the knot. So I did the wedding ceremony right in their living room, right? And I said to him, "Danny, um, I noticed there are no native people in any of the churches or any of this. Like, what's going on? Why is there that separation?" And he sat there for a while looking out his window at the back hill. And where he lived was right next to the site of what was called the Indian, Elberney Indian Residential School. Now, these were state and church run institutions. You had them in America too, not as many.

• 6:24Speaker 04

  But, uh, they were all over western Canada. And every native child had to go into these or their parents would go to jail. And the statistics I found, you know, right away is that half these children never came back. They died en masse. And they were taking the healthy, putting in them with the sick, letting them die of TB and smallpox. It was a way to depopulate the natives to get the land. You know, it kind of happened all over the world. America, Canada, it was no exception. So I said to Danny, like, "How come, you know, there aren't any natives in the churches and that?" I kind of asked him naively. He finally said, "They killed my best friend in that place and he's buried in those hills out back. And the whites know it. They don't want us in their churches." So that's my first, that's the fall of 1992.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  And it just blew me away. I didn't know how to, you know, interpret that. So I, I started asking my colleagues in the church. They got all paranoid and defensive. They say, "Don't believe the Indians. They just don't like us because we took their land. They're making all this stuff up. Don't believe it." And then I got some veiled threats from some of the people, uh, in the church saying, you know, "You've got a young family to support. My second daughter just been born. And if you keep going down this route, you know, there might be some problems for you." So I was getting those kind of veiled threats from the beginning. But I was doing such a good job building the church, people kind of turned a blind eye to that. We went from like 10 to nearly 100 people on Sundays. It was a booming congregation.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  And that went on that way for about two years. And then I found out from some of the local native elders that the church had inherited lots of stolen native land. Uh, in Canada especially, there was a thing called the clergy reserve where the British Crown said, "Okay, we own this, all this land now. And if you, you're a missionary and you pitch your tent on land, you automatically get 200 acres all around it, regardless of who's living there, right?" And, uh...

• 8:19Danny Jones?

  If you're a missionary and you just set up camp?

• 8:23Speaker 04

  You automatically get 200 acres. They were called clergy reserves. And naturally, they tended to build on really lucrative land, you know, old growth timber, rich fisheries and minerals. So after that, the United Church that I was part of had all of this native land, uh, that they, one of the missionaries had grabbed. And the biggest corporate takeover in Canadian history was about to happen. Wirehauser, it's a big American, I don't know if you've heard of it, it's a big American logging company out of Seattle.

• 8:56Danny Jones?

  Wirehauser?

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Wirehauser.

• 8:57Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 8:57Speaker 04

  And they were, wanted to acquire Macmillan-Bloddel, which is the largest logging company in British Columbia and a big donor of the United Church. So the United Church did a backroom deal where they took this land and just handed it over to Macmillan-Bloddel, even though our church policy said, "If we have native land in our possession from the missionary days, we have to return it to the native nation. We can't just profit from it." So I was just quoting church policy. I wrote a letter about that. Next thing I know, I'm out of my can. And they've gone to my wife and said, "We're gonna make sure this guy never works again. If you want a divorce, we'll fund your divorce." And all of this macabre stuff happening,

• 9:38Speaker 04

  it just hit me out of the blue, like, "Why? Why over this land?" And as it turned out, there was very big money involved. And they were concerned about the stories that I was helping do on earth about all the native kids going missing. So it was about big money, kind of genocidal history they don't want to hear about. And it all came down to me like a ton of bricks. And...

• 9:57Danny Jones?

  Holy shit.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  The rest is history, as they say, you know?

• 10:02Danny Jones?

  So, going back, walk me through again. You, you were telling me that the, the church was taking in the native children and half the children they were taking in were disappearing?

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, if people go to murderbydecree.com, that's my website. I published all of these records online because after I got fired, I started working on my PhD at the University of British Columbia. And lo and behold, here's all these records from a guy called Dr. Peter Bryce. He was commissioned by the Canadian government in 1909 to go and do a health inspection of all these Indian schools.

• 10:34Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 10:34Speaker 04

  And he finds over half the children are dying every year, systematically, year after year. Now, to give you some perspective on that... Um, in some of them, you know.

• 10:44Danny Jones?

  And what was the cause of death?

• 10:46Speaker 04

  Uh, they never gave cause of death, but when you checked into the records, it was massive deaths from communicable disease. But the same Dr. Peter Bryce said, they're deliberately exposing children to TB and smallpox. They would take the healthy, put them in the same dorm as the sick, lock them in, they're all dead. Right? And then they can blame it as an act of nature. So it is deliberate germ warfare. And they even called it that. Now, um, you know, it's really weird, Danny, is that these records were in the university library system since 1975. And when I discovered them in 1996, after I got thrown out of the church, I was the first one to publish them. So there's, there's this agreed silence about the whole

• 11:31Speaker 04

  issue in the academic world, in the media, and they still won't talk about that simple statistic. I mean, how do you get half the children dying year after year unless it is deliberate? Because, you know, normally, I know when my mom was young and the, one of the young kids in her school got tuberculosis, he was gone the same day. They had him in a TB sanitarium. So the other kids wouldn't get infected. But if you look at that picture, here's children sitting with open tubercular sores, bandages on their heads, along with the other native kids. That's proof they were deliberately spreading the, the disease among native people. And they openly talked about it, but trying to get this stuff published.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  This was the front page of the Ottawa Citizen newspaper, November 15th, 1907, schools aid white plague. They describe a death rate of up to 69%.

• 12:20Danny Jones?

  White plague?

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, they called tuberculosis, the white plague.

• 12:24Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  Is the name they had for it. Or they called it consumption back then. A lot of people get TB, but they were, you know, they were treated. But if you're a native, no, they just let you die from it. So that was one of the, the chief ways they, they exterminated so many, probably over 90% of the West Coast natives were killed in two generations.

• 12:43Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ.

• 12:44Speaker 04

  People are always talking about Auschwitz and the death rate there and everything, you know, the Nazi death camps.

• 12:49Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  The average death rate in Auschwitz was around 25% because they were working people. It was, it was a work camp as well. Right? There are industrial facilities nearby. Double that rate in Indian schools, over half decade after decade. We know from 1891 right up to after World War II, they were dying at the same rate. You know, so of course it was deliberate and you can't talk about that in Canada or like I experienced, you're out the door, right?

• 13:15Danny Jones?

  How many people do you estimate died in total? How many native people?

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Children, and this was aimed at children, in a period from 1891 to when they closed in 1996, probably 60, 80,000 children, because we just calculated from the number of schools and, and the average death rate, easily that number. Yet in Canada, they did this enormous cover up. The government and churches got together after we exposed this stuff.

• 13:42Danny Jones?

  The government of churches?

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Government and churches.

• 13:45Danny Jones?

  And churches.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  Yes. And they did their own investigation into themselves called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. And they said, only 3,000 died, which contradicts their own figures of half of them dying every year. So it was, you know, now the whole movement we built to pressure that, that admission over 20 years, that's a whole story in itself. But they've swabbed a lot of this off the internet and the public memory now. So, you know, we, this is why I really appreciate the interview today because it helps keep the memory alive of not only the crime, but everything we did to, to expose it, you know?

• 14:18Danny Jones?

  That's terrible, man.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 14:21Danny Jones?

  And, you know, the fact that they were also able to get away with buying, or not buying, just basically stealing tons of land with that, um, that law that you said, and then enabling, doing a backdoor deal with giant logging companies to come in there and cut down trees?

• 14:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it isn't just about the logging. Um, another example from the States as well is there's a lot of, a lot of uranium on Lakota Sioux land in South Dakota, in that area. And one of the companies that operates that is called Camco. It's a Canadian company. And if you check there, among all the people on the Pine Ridge and Rosebud reservations, most of the families, literally, are all dying of cancer because it's called uranium in situ mining, where the uranium kind of seeps into the water table and everyone's dying from it. They moved out all the white families, kept in Lake Lakota on their land, right? And it's that kind of, you could call it environmental

• 15:22Speaker 04

  genocide where, you know, people know perfectly well that, that there's going to be a huge fallout from this, but they're just Indians, which under Canadian law, they're not citizens. They're wards of the state. It's called the Indian Act. And you don't get this anywhere in the world because it's, it, you're not allowed to target legislation at a particular group, you know, like do they have an Irish Act or an Italian Act where you've got to live in certain areas or you can't get government benefits? But you have an Indian Act, which is again, not allowed under international law, yet it is in Canada, you know?

• 15:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah. That's so weird.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

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• 17:15Speaker 04

  They're still sitting on very valuable land. Um, I'll give you an example of this in British Columbia. China has pretty much taken all over the whole West Coast. If you check the container companies and the, all up and down the West Coast of America as well, Portland, Seattle, they're all China owned now. And they are, we found an interesting thing back in 2022, from many of my contacts, native contacts in B C, we found, I don't know if you remember, Pope Francis came to British Columbia and all across Canada to supposedly issued an apology to all the people they killed. And, um, he actually met, he and Pietro Perlin, who was the Vatican Secretary of State, met with the Chinese in Prince Rupert,

• 17:57Speaker 04

  which is a super port in north, northwest B C, up near Alaska.

• 18:01Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  It's the main super port that where they take a lot of the oil and gas because China's shifting from coal to liquid natural gas. Biggest deposits are in British Columbia and Northern Alberta, the Alberta tar sands. All that land's still occupied by native people. So we found over the years, so many disappearances happening. Uh, whole native families in that area just vanishing. They call it the highway of tears in northwestern B C. Massive numbers of disappearances. And even the government admitted this and they did kind of a pseudo inquiry, missing women's inquiry, they called it, but a number of years ago. But in fact, it's because the Chinese, with help from the Royal Canadian amount of police, are clearing out native people from the whole area. Cause where all

• 18:46Speaker 04

  the disappearances happen, you can chart it on a map. It's right where the liquid natural gas sites are.

• 18:50Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Yes. We've got this well documented.

• 18:53Danny Jones?

  Is there anything like a, like a map of this online? We can find anywhere?

• 18:56Speaker 04

  I do have, I can send you all of this stuff. We have all the research online.

• 19:01Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  And in shows I've done with different people, we, we do.

• 19:04Danny Jones?

  And how much territory roughly, you're saying China controls, they don't control the territory, but they, the, the, the government in Canada has given them access to.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:16Danny Jones?

  To extract the resources.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  It's called the Harper government, the Tory government under Stephen Harper, and then the Liberal government under Justin Trudeau, all, uh, signed into law this thing called the Foreign Investment Protection Act, FIPPA. And FIPPA allows China to buy up the whole economy. It removes all limits on Chinese investments.

• 19:35Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  It also allows their security forces to be based in Canada. That can include the PLA. There are, there are soldiers. And in fact, we have monitored.

• 19:45Danny Jones?

  Look this up, Steve.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  We've monitored, um, Chinese joint troop movements and naval movements with the Canadians all up and down the West Coast. You know, it surprises me that, that America hasn't gone into a shooting war, which it may, over this whole thing happening right on its West Coast. Because, um, they're, they're basically using this, uh, Prince Rupert super port to channel out all the resources and bring in tons of illegal immigrants. And I mentioned Pope Francis, he signed a deal with China in the summer of 2022, underwriting Chinese expansion into North America by over a trillion dollars every year. The Vatican Bank signed this agreement. And it's underwriting what's called the Road and Belt Initiative, where

• 20:31Speaker 04

  all the railways and roads all being bought up by China. Uh, in Ontario alone, they're spending 48 billion on highway construction. And these are going into all the, where all the resources are. China's pretty much operating as, you know, using Canada as a colony now, you know, politically and economically, they're.

• 20:51Danny Jones?

  How does the Pope give China a license to have, have all this access in Canada?

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Well, he's not giving it directly, but he's, they're funding it. And who's ever got the gold makes the rules, right? Um, they, the Vatican Bank, um, has enormous financial resources.

• 21:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  It's been estimated that 80% of all the bank deposits end up either in the Vatican Bank or the Bank of International Settlements in Geneva.

• 21:21Danny Jones?

  What percent?

• 21:22Speaker 04

  About 80%.

• 21:23Danny Jones?

  80%?

• 21:24Speaker 04

  And don't forget now, the BRICS alliance, the Vatican is putting a lot of its money in the East. China is the only country in the world that gets to appoint Catholic bishops and cardinals, right? They have a really, really close relationship. And so.

• 21:37Danny Jones?

  What?

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:39Danny Jones?

  China gets to appoint Catholic bishops and cardinals?

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. It's the only country in the world where they've been given that right.

• 21:49Danny Jones?

  For like in Italy, like there's no, there's no Catholic, the Catholicism in China.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, there is. Yeah. They have officially, it's an underground church, but the government allows them to operate because of the financial ties they have with, with the Vatican Bank. You know, so there's, you know, there's dissident Chinese bishops in Hong Kong, right?

• 22:11Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  And Taiwan, and they play that up, you know, there's the public image and then there's what goes on behind the scenes, right?

• 22:18Danny Jones?

  Okay. This says, what does this say? Uh, the Vatican China agreement remains confidential, but it was designed to bridge the gap between China's

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:26Danny Jones?

  state-run Catholic Patriotic Association and underground churches loyal to Rome. Wow.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is a state church.

• 22:33Danny Jones?

  Go back to that last thing you were looking at. Okay. Uh, the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement, which entered into force in October 1 of 2014, does cover Chinese investments in Canada and Canadian natural resource extraction. The treaty explicitly defines protected investment to include contracts and concessions involving the right to search for and extract oil and other natural resources.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I should, um, mention something in the second paragraph. It says, Canada still controls whether Chinese company is permitted to acquire blah, blah, blah.

• 23:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  That's formally true, but there was a guy called Richard Faden. He was head of Canadian Security Intelligence Service. They're like Canada CIA. And he made a report in 2010 saying the Chinese government had systematically infiltrated the British Columbia government. It's at various levels, though they used Chinese Canadians to get into positions of, you know, deciding where their resources are to be spent and everything. And they, they own the government from within. So when they say Canada, they're talking about really a, a puppet regime run more and more directly by China.

• 23:44Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 23:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. And in fact, you know how Canada and the US traditionally had the very tight economic relationship? You know, tariff agreements, all that.

• 23:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  It's now shifted to China. Canada has more direct foreign investment in China now than in America. And so, yeah, that's geopolitically where things are shifting.

• 24:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah. That is why I did not know about this.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Well.

• 24:09Danny Jones?

  It's insane.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:11Danny Jones?

  Because they're also in Mexico. So we're surrounded by China.

• 24:14Speaker 04

  Well, here's another interesting thing. The present Pope, he's an American, right?

• 24:18Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Leo, right?

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Uh, Rob.

• 24:19Danny Jones?

  No, not Leo.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Robert Prevost, his name is. He's from Chicago.

• 24:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  But he actually did most of his work in South America. And they call him in Rome, the second Latin American Pope, because remember Francis was from Argentina. Uh, he got in because he was close with the military dictatorship there during the Dirty Wars. But this guy Prevost has, when, uh, helped.

• 24:41Danny Jones?

  When you say Prevost, are you talking about the Pope, the current Pope?

• 24:44Speaker 04

  Leo. That's his name.

• 24:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  Robert Prevost. And.

• 24:47Danny Jones?

  How do you get Leo from Robert Prevost?

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Oh, they adopt these names, you know.

• 24:51Danny Jones?

  That's very odd.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:53Danny Jones?

  I heard his brother actually lives in Sarasota.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, here's the thing though. He, he's opened up the super port in Lima, Peru, with the Chinese, over a billion and a half dollars in Chinese investment. So he is doing what his predecessor did, Francis, greasing the wheels to allow China to pretty much own a lot of the resources in the Western hemisphere. You know, so to control the whole Pacific Rim. I mean, from their point of view, it makes sense, right?

• 25:19Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:20Danny Jones?

  Chinese investors currently have stronger investment protection.

• 25:25Danny Jones?

  What does investment protection mean? I thought you meant, I thought we were asking it if it has more investments in China than it does in the US.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  Well, in certain areas they do and in certain areas they don't. But generally speaking, everything is shifting towards China. Like I say, including the Vatican Bank money. Now, the reason they're able to do all this is because of, and tying it together with what I talked about at the beginning.

• 25:48Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  There was this massive church-state plan of how to get the land and resources, wiping out the indigenous people and getting rid of anyone who had evidence about it. And that's why they came down on me so dramatically. And how that blacklist has continued year after year with me, right? After, you know, trying to bring all this stuff out. So, you know, I mean, it, it doesn't, it's not surprising when you look at the history of how the system operates, but people have this false notion of Canada as being such a nice place, right? And that's really covered to allow a lot of crime to go on behind the, the camouflage.

• 26:24Danny Jones?

  That is wild.

• 26:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:25Danny Jones?

  What, and when you say blacklisting, what do you mean specifically? How are they blacklisting you?

• 26:29Speaker 04

  Well, I'll tell you, uh, after I got fired by the church, they, or even before that, they went to my wife and said, we're going to make sure he never works again. If you want a divorce, then we'll pay for it. And they did. They paid her lawyer over $60,000 to make sure that I was, I lost custody of the kids and went through hell, basically. Now, that came out in divorce trial. It also came out when the next year, they.

• 26:52Danny Jones?

  It came out in the divorce trial that they were funding her.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  That the church had funded her divorce. And now it's what you do to a, a whistleblower. You go after their family, you go after their public reputation, the whole bit.

• 27:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  And that happened, but also it happened right at the same time and they timed it to coincide with them throwing me out of the church and blackening my, my name publicly. I was the only minister in United Church history ever to be publicly defrocked. So it was a public show trial and they said, we're going to bring in all this dirt to show what a horrible minister this, this Kevin Attit was, when in fact they couldn't, they didn't prove their case at all. But they spent over a quarter of a million dollars trying to do it. So I remember talking to reporters and I was saying to them, why would they spend so much money to get rid of one minister? Just because I wrote a letter about a land deal they had done with McMillan, Bedell and Wirehouse, right? There's something else going on. And that actually helped me. It sparked media interest in my case for the first time

• 27:49Speaker 04

  and allowed me to get involved with the natives. And we got a lot of light shining on our efforts to expose this genocide in the Indian schools. We, we held a tribunal in 1998. We forced the apology in 2008. We were, we built a whole movement at the grassroots, holding protests at churches, holding conferences. Um, and after we occupied the biggest Catholic cathedral on a Sunday morning, we went in there peacefully, me and a bunch of natives, and it hit all the press. The next month, the church, the government announces the apology, the official apology. And that wasn't accidental. It was a way to kind of start spinning the issue to make it seem like, well, a few children were harmed, but we've apologized. They started buying off survivors with, with money.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  Uh, and gag orders. If you got money from the church, the so-called healing fund, you weren't allowed to sue the churches, uh, after that. So it was a, a typical kind of spin you do when you're the guilty party and you're still in power, but.

• 28:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  You know, but all of that began to teach people a lot of stuff and it led directly to,

• 28:52Speaker 04

  uh, our role in actually forcing Pope Benedict out of office in 2013. Cause we, uh, we got called over to Europe. You see, I got kind of shut out of, uh, in South Africa under apartheid, they call it banning. You were, you, you, if you were a banned person, you weren't allowed to meet with people, your name couldn't be mentioned in the press. That's what happened in Canada to me after the official apology came, came down in 2008. I was never quoted again in the press. Uh, I began to get shut out. I couldn't rent rooms. And right at that same time, I get invited over to Europe in Ireland, because I was actually visiting relatives there. And the survivors of the Catholic Church began holding meetings and they invited me to it.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  And I was sitting to listen, listening to some of their stories and I said, you know, this sounds like a group of native people in Canada, the same atrocities, using kids in medical experiments, sterilizing them at a young age. All happening in Catholic hospitals and orphanages. And I said, we've got to be united across borders. And we began to bring in court cases in Europe. And one of them involved Pope Benedict, and that's a whole story in itself of how we forced his resignation in 2013. But it began to show people that, you know, we, you're not a victim anymore. You, if you're standing with the truth, you have a lot of power in the world. And that's why they try to intimidate people and in many cases, make them go missing. There were seven native people who worked with us in Vancouver alone, who all died

• 30:20Speaker 04

  in the course of this, beaten by police, died in prison. The famous case of a guy called William Coombs. He had seen, when he was a young boy in the Catholic school in Kamloops, he saw Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip show up, take, uh, 10 children away. They were never seen again.

• 30:38Danny Jones?

  Who, who saw this?

• 30:39Speaker 04

  William Coombs and a guy called Jesse Jewels. Uh, William Coombs was. Part of our whole campaign and he was going to come to London to testify about that. He dies two days before he gets on the plane, the Mounties pick him up, take him to St. Paul's Catholic Hospital. He's dead within two days and the nurse Chloe Kirker said that he had all the symptoms of arsenic poisoning, the blackened fingernails, all of that tuberculosis official, official cause of death, right?

• 31:07Danny Jones?

  Oh my God.

• 31:08Speaker 04

  And he was going to testify, he saw Queen Elizabeth take these kids and um,

• 31:14Speaker 04

  you know, so I mean, it's, it's that whole church state kind of cover up thing going on, right?

• 31:19Danny Jones?

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• 32:02Danny Jones?

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• 32:39Speaker 04

  Well, just like it did in Canada, I just sent and started listening to people and comparing it with the evidence I'd come up with, like in a court of law, you need eyewitness testimony, documentation of some kind and some kind of forensic proof, like, you know, bones or mass graves, whatever. We had all three of those. We had Doug Diggs in Canada with the Mohawk elders in Ontario, which produced bones at the oldest Indian school in Canada. And we sent those bones to the Smithsonian Institute early in 2012. Report came back, yeah, those are children's bones, died of TB.

• 33:14Danny Jones?

  But was this like, where, where did you find the children's bones exactly?

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Brentford, Ontario.

• 33:20Danny Jones?

  Was it in a grave or what was?

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, we did an excavation, the Mohawk elders approved the dig. We found within an hour of us digging, we found these buttons, which I have with me actually and um, bones tied in the roots of trees. Now that's because after they buried children, they tended to plant trees on top of them to hide the remains, right? But those are some of the buttons that we, we uncovered and Jerome Mahenry, uh, who had gone to the school, said, yeah, those were the buttons off our school uniforms. And um, you know, like I say, Don Ortner, he was the chief pathologist in Smithsonian Institute. He confirmed their children and uh, none of that made the Canadian media. It was all censored right out.

• 34:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but wouldn't there be a conventional explanation for children being there? I mean, if your children, if a child gets sick and dies, you have to bury him, right?

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Well, especially when you have a 50% death rate, where are all the bodies going? Now, at first the churches and government denied it all. And then when they couldn't deny it anymore, they said, okay, well, they died unfortunately and we had to bury them. You know, they can just get around that. And it gets even more ludicrous. And one thing I wanted to mention at the beginning was last spring, I got called back to Portobrani by a group of native women. And they said, when we were young, we had to, we had to throw these newborns into the furnace, right?

• 34:40Danny Jones?

  Throw who?

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Newborn babies into the furnaces at the Portobrani United Church Indian School. Now, we already had testimonies of people seeing that happen of nuns and priests throwing newborns. Cause you see the young girls would get pregnant from the priests, they had to get rid of the evidence. But that what was really odd Danny was that last spring, when the native people said we had to do it as children. The local United Church releases a draft press release admitting that they did it.

• 35:08Danny Jones?

  They did what specifically?

• 35:10Speaker 04

  That children were thrown into furnaces at the Elbrani Indian.

• 35:13Danny Jones?

  Is this, can we find this?

• 35:14Speaker 04

  No, because what happened was it was a draft press release. They showed it to the local tribal council, the native politicians and said, we're going to release this, but don't tell the press, don't tell anyone about it, don't tell the police. And it's an acknowledgement. Now, nobody does that unless they're trying to conceal something else. They don't go to that extent. And what we found subsequently was, and I knew this from previous testimonies in that, in the local Indian hospitals, they'd been using these children in drug testing experiments. Big Pharma were using, uh, testing out early prototypes, you know, the Neuralink experiments happening now and that. Now I figure that one of the reasons they had to get rid of the children's bodies, that they had been used in these experiments.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  And they openly admitted this, that they used children and uh,

• 36:01Danny Jones?

  They, they privately, the church privately, who, who openly admitted this?

• 36:05Speaker 04

  The church has over the years.

• 36:07Danny Jones?

  And it's public?

• 36:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, they admitted in various articles, when we began our tribunal, again, they react by saying, okay, yes, we did experiment on children, but it was only about depriving them of food and vitamins. It went a lot further. We know that they were, it was called um, National Defense Research Board. Uh, was sponsoring experiments done on, on children, drug testing, um, early mind control experiments.

• 36:31Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, that, what you just said sounds kooky and sounds wacky on the, on the face of it. But I mean, I just remembered that there's been stuff declassified and admitted under the Clinton presidency, where the United States was doing plutonium experiments on disabled children in the United States.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  And look up all the MKUltra experiments that the CIA had to declassify in 1977. There was a thing called a church investigation and you first began to see these references.

• 36:58Danny Jones?

  Yes, AI says, yes, Canada's government and various churches have historically acknowledged and apologized for a range of highly unethical, medical, nutritional and psychological experiments conducted on children.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  That's the cover to conceal the fact that it went a lot further, a lot deeper.

• 37:13Danny Jones?

  What is that? What's the last line says, while others were, go up? While others were funded during the Cold War by agencies, including the Federal Defense Research Board.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  Like I mentioned, here's an example, I talked to a woman who was the sole survivor of a place called the uh, Lincoln Park Air Force Base that's in Calgary. Now these Indian hospitals were all built on military land to keep it secret. She said she was part of a group of uh, 30 children who were tortured to death in pain threshold experiments. These were done by former Nazi SS doctors who had done that in the death camps. Don't forget the.

• 37:48Danny Jones?

  But in Canada?

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, Canada was the biggest importer of Nazis after the war than any country in the world.

• 37:53Danny Jones?

  What? More than Russia?

• 37:56Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, they were brought in to Canada, given fake passports and brought into the US. Now you know about the space program, Wernher Von Braun.

• 38:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, of course. I know about Operation Paperclip.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Right. Well, a lot of these Nazi SS doctors stayed in Canada. We know Joseph Bengla worked in Woodstock, Ontario. He was an advisor to these Indian hospitals.

• 38:14Danny Jones?

  What?

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Okay. Now don't forget Indians aren't citizens, so you can do whatever you want to them under the law. And there's no legal repercussion. So they're the perfect test subject.

• 38:23Danny Jones?

  I'm sorry to keep fact checking you, but I gotta, I gotta find, Joseph Mengela lived in Canada?

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Unofficially, the uh, Canadian, um, the Canadian Jewish Congress investigated this and admitted that he was present in Canada. We have other people who went through experiments at a place called the Allen Institute in Montreal, who saw Mengla, he saw guys with the SS tattoo right there on the arm. Native people in B C admitted the same thing at these Indian hospitals. When we surfaced that information for the first time at our tribunal in the fall of 1998, two months later, the Canadian government officially seals all records in their national archives in Ottawa, anything to do with Indian hospitals. So they shut down all the, the avenues of info right away. That's why, you know, what you see online is all very heavily sanitized.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Uh, but fortunately we grabbed a lot of this stuff before they sealed it and corroborated by many eyewitness testimonies. 358 people testified in my book here, Murder by Decree. 358 eyewitness testimonies go into, you know, the conclusions we came to. At Nuremberg, they only had 32 eyewitnesses. So we've got 10 times the number of witnesses, right?

• 39:33Danny Jones?

  That's freaking crazy, man. What did you find about Mangala, anything?

• 39:38Danny Jones?

  Uh, no serious allegation in the eighties that Josef Mengele had tried to enter Canada, but the Canadian government investigation concluded that he never entered Canada. The Canadian government investigation, that's, that's interesting.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Duchenne Commission was another whitewash.

• 39:55Danny Jones?

  Right. Okay.

• 39:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 40:00Danny Jones?

  Wow. It says, where Mengele lived after World War II, uh, Germany, Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil. He died in Brazil, huh?

• 40:12Speaker 04

  Supposedly, but uh,

• 40:13Danny Jones?

  And he drowned. Oh yeah, the story is he drowned. I forgot about that.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  There's so much hidden. I mean,

• 40:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  Here's another fact. Uh, the Vatican ran the third largest death camp in Europe during World War II. You never hear about it. You hear about Auschwitz and Treblinka, but the third largest was a place called the Yasanovic Death Camp in Croatia. Now, in, uh, don't forget the Serbs are all Orthodox. They're not Roman Catholic. They're Orthodox Catholic. They're a different church.

• 40:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:41Speaker 04

  And, um, Pope Innocent, I call him not so innocent, uh, who, the twelfth, I think, who recognized Hitler during World War II. He commissioned a guy called, he was a Franciscan bishop called Ivan Seric. He was a Croatian who was Catholic. They rounded up over three quarters of a million Serbs and murdered them in this Yasanovic Death Camp. And it was run directly by the Franciscans. And after the war, a lot of these guys are smuggled into the US. And any, any knowledge of the Yasanovic Death Camp is down the memory hole, as George Orwell said, right? Because they were so closely tied to Cold War politics. Pope John, the, uh, no, he was Pope Paul VI during the 1960s. Cardinal Montini, he's

• 41:25Speaker 04

  the one who set up the Rat Lines that brought so many Nazis into South America through Franciscan monasteries all over Italy. And same deal in Canada, but heavily cloaked because it's so close to the US, so close to the scene of the crime of these things that I was discovering over and over from the native people, right?

• 41:43Danny Jones?

  Wow. And, and so going back to Pope Benedict, was it that you had to resign?

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:49Danny Jones?

  How did that eventually happen?

• 41:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't, I kind of wandered off, but, um, we set up what was called the International Tribunal of Crimes of Church and State, the ITCCS. That was set up in Dublin. When we got over there, we had survivors from six different countries in the world come together to say, we need to unite survivors, get reparations, to get acknowledgement, right? And eventually what we did is we went to various international courts and they all turned us down because we wanted to charge the Vatican with being the source of a lot of these crimes against humanity, right? All the, most of the Indian schools were run by the Catholic Church, Jesuit missionaries that set them up. So, you know, a lot of the roads led to Rome when it came to genocide. And they, none of them would

• 42:31Speaker 04

  touch it. So we had some legal advisors, including a judge, ex-judge in Spain called, uh, Balthazar Garzon. And we set up this international common law court. And we subpoenaed Benedict, Queen Elizabeth, all these people to come and answer these charges. They wouldn't do so, which under laws in admission of guilt. If you're not answering charges brought against you, you're basically not contesting it. And, um, we, nevertheless, we did the trial. We brought in eyewitnesses, looked at all the evidence. The, the 57 jurors, after six months of looking at it, concluded that the Vatican, the Crown of England, all its churches were guilty of these crimes against humanity and brought in a verdict of life imprisonment

• 43:15Speaker 04

  with an inabstentia to the individuals, not their office, but Joseph Ratzinger, uh, Elizabeth Windsor, as individuals, uh, could be tried under international law, which we did. Now, six days before our verdict came in, he resigns. The first Pope to resign in 600 years. And one of the reasons he did, we know from, um, Garzon, who was from Spain, uh, that the, uh, Spanish government had sent their diplomatic ambassador, a guy called Eduardo de Beruga, and they notified Pope Benedict that he could face arrest if he came to Spain, based on

• 43:57Speaker 04

  what they saw in our docket of evidence, which is that he was ordering, which they still do all the time, ordered Catholic bishops all over Europe to conceal any evidence of the death or experimentation or trafficking of children. And so, on the basis of that, boom, he resigns. Hint, he never leaves the Vatican until the day he dies. Right?

• 44:18Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  Comes out in a wooden box. That's because he knew he could face arrest because in a citizen investigation,

• 44:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  It has legal standing.

• 44:27Danny Jones?

  Because the Vatican is its own country, right?

• 44:29Speaker 04

  No, that's a myth. It isn't under international law. That's just a fairy tale state, as somebody has called it, that all the governments participate in. But there, there's a thing under the Montevideo Convention of 1933, they have four definitions of what a state is. They don't qualify for any of them. But,

• 44:47Danny Jones?

  But doesn't the Vatican, like, I, I thought, I thought it was its own territory and it had its own intelligence service and all this kind of stuff?

• 44:54Speaker 04

  But only because the Italian government allows it because they're, you know, um, it's like if Al Capone took over and, you know, you have all these agreements going on, right? But it doesn't make it lawful. It could be legal under statutes governments bring in, but it, it doesn't make it right or lawful. And, uh, anyway, on that basis, uh, Ratzinger got booted out. And what the, really, it was kind of like a shot heard around the world. This was in 2013. People could see after that, if you set up your own common law investigation, your verdict has standing under international law, which means other courts can arrest, uh, can issue arrest warrants and, and other warrants based on the verdict. So even if people aren't aware of their own power, governments and

• 45:38Speaker 04

  churches and these corporations are fully aware that they are vulnerable under the common law. And, um, you know, that, that's a real weapon people have to, to not just be helpless victims in these, in the face of all these crimes, right?

• 45:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:54Danny Jones?

  That's terrifying. And, you know, the one, the, the really interesting thing to me is how you're saying that there's this connection between the Vatican and China.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:03Danny Jones?

  You know, and, and the fact that China is using its Belt and Road Initiative to e- essentially, you know, build infrastructure and cut deals, economic deals with different countries and different governments around the world, including right on our border with, on our southern and our northern border, which I wasn't even aware of what was going on in Canada. Um, is crazy to me, especially in lieu of the recent visit that Xi Jinping just made to, um, was it DC, I believe?

• 46:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:33Danny Jones?

  Was he in DC, visiting Trump and all these people? And there was a huge dinner?

• 46:36Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 46:37Danny Jones?

  And, um, you know, it's, it's just so strange because, because our country is set up so different. It's more of like this, this oligarchy where you have this billionaire class, uh, this financial class, this technological class. Um, and, you know, even below those two is this like the military industrial class that seem to be the ones that are controlling things and cutting deals.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 47:03Danny Jones?

  Where it seems like the government is even below them, where the government answers to these people like Peter Thiel, Elon Musk.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 47:09Danny Jones?

  Um, those folks, which is why they, they're at all the dinners. And when Trump goes to China, he brings them all with them. So,

• 47:16Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 47:16Danny Jones?

  Because they need China, right? They need China to manufacture all their stuff and,

• 47:20Speaker 04

  China's the rising power. And, um, America, to give you a, a stat, in the 1960s, America had about 40% or more of the world's GDP. Now they're down to 13%. And it's now China that's, it, America's like what England was after the war. It's going down. America was going up.

• 47:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:43Speaker 04

  Well, America's going down, China's going up.

• 47:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  And like any representative of big money, Trump is just doing what they do and he's working out deals. It borders, political parties, you know, it's, it's just for the masses, right? To keep us entertained and everything. That's where the real power is shifting to the east or across the Pacific, right?

• 48:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it seems that way, right?

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Very much.

• 48:06Danny Jones?

  You know, everyone talks about, oh my God, America's going to collapse. America's going to fall. The dollar's gonna, you know, we're, the dollar's losing all of its value. The current, we're no longer going to be the number one, um, the, the US dollar's not going to be like the reserve currency anymore and that's going to change everything. But like, how slow of a transition is that really going to be? And like, what is that really going to look like?

• 48:29Speaker 04

  Well, that's a good question. I'm not qualified in economics or anything, but I mean, I know that it's, it's really not even a question of economics, but, but power.

• 48:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  And, um, power is not only what you have, but what people think you have. And, um, you know, what's really interesting about all this is there's no bigger illusion than the Church of Rome. Because behind this facade is the biggest financial power in the world. Um, the most genocidal institution in human history, if you do the body count. And yet, um, we're the representative of Jesus Christ on earth. I mean, it's, it's really tragically humorous when you look at it.

• 49:08Danny Jones?

  Well, have you, have you heard any of the reports of the White House, not only the White House, but, um, organizations in Silicon Valley inviting like influencer pastors around the country to go visit them and sign in DAs so they can tell them stuff?

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Not specifically on that, but I do know that, um, here's an example. The big, all the big pharma companies have for many years had a financial relationship with, uh, churches. Uh, Eli Lilly Company set it, uh, the first one up in 1936. It's called the Fund for Theological Education. They fund the seminaries where the clergy are trained. In return, the churches had longstanding informal agreements to provide children for drug testing experiments.

• 49:53Danny Jones?

  What?

• 49:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, check it out. Well, it probably won't be online, but we've got that from former Eli Lilly executives.

• 49:59Danny Jones?

  In the US?

• 50:01Speaker 04

  And Canada as well. But it's called the Fund for Theological Education, the Lilly Foundation. They also funded a lot of the MKUltra research. My John Lilly, he worked with dolphins. He did a lot of the mind control experiments.

• 50:12Danny Jones?

  She's not connected to Eli Lilly though, is he?

• 50:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 50:15Danny Jones?

  What?

• 50:15Speaker 04

  John Lilly. Yeah.

• 50:16Danny Jones?

  Is that where the name Eli Lilly comes from? John Lilly?

• 50:19Speaker 04

  Distant cousin, but they're coming from the same.

• 50:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, um,

• 50:26Speaker 04

  Right, so there's been this long relationship between this, and not only that, this is might blow you away, there's a guy Cardinal Timothy Dolan, D O L A N, he's the one that Trump wanted in as Pope. He's this really powerful New York Cardinal, vying for power in Rome now. He just arranged last year, again, this is from church sources and people in the Vatican as well, who we've cultivated over the years. He, Tim Dolan, channeled over $300 million from the Catholic Relief Agency, this is charitable agencies, into Neuralink, because they've got a long relationship with Big Pharma and all these, what are called the

• 51:07Speaker 04

  BCI, Brain Computer Interface, where they're creating, if you like Borgs, right, like something out of sci-fi, where there are these Neuralink implants, and then you're interacting through a computer with reality. Well, the Vatican's heavily funded this from the beginning, and this was the, one of the research goals of the Indian hospitals and native people who, I mean, I've interviewed probably over 2,000 eyewitnesses on all this stuff, and often, many of them talk about being witnessing or being part of these experiments, being, you know, used on like prisoners, or convicts, or people in prisons, children in orphanages, anyone

• 51:45Speaker 04

  who's vulnerable, survivors of these experiments. And again, mind control, direct control of the human brain, it's the rising industry, you know?

• 51:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm just, how are you gonna convince the, the, the population to get brain chips? I don't think you are. I think, you know, you might get a few people, like, after it's rolled out medically to like people who need it, who are paralyzed, or can't talk, or whatever, with like-

• 52:12Speaker 04

  Well, that's, that's the thin edge of the wedge, for sure. And no one is gonna line up, but imagine if, and this is quite feasible, they say, okay, we're all get your iPads now, we're gonna make it now, so you don't need those anymore. If you get a chip, you can interact directly through a computer with each other. Wouldn't you like to do that?

• 52:27Danny Jones?

  I don't think people will.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Well, I know-

• 52:29Danny Jones?

  I think people are so fed up with technology and social media right now.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I hope you're right.

• 52:32Danny Jones?

  I think people are really waking up to how terrible that stuff is for our, for our minds.

• 52:38Speaker 04

  I think there, you're right, there's a black backlash happening against the whole technology. And it's kind of funny, having lived through the 60s and 70s, I see it coming full circle, you know, this kind of willingness to challenge authority, and wanting to kind of break from the status quo and create something better, you know, and more human. I, I see that happening again, for, so I think you, I hope you're right.

• 52:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you know, well, and you also got a question, you do see that, you see, you know, in, in America specifically, since Trump has taken office again, you've seen the, the dam being open, like completely, the dam is completely broken when it's coming to free speech, online, on YouTube, and very much so on X, where there is, people are just, you know, all bets are off, people can say whatever they want, doesn't matter how crazy it is, nothing gets, no one, nothing could, for the most part, gets banned, or gets censored.

• 53:36Danny Jones?

  And I, I wonder if there's more to that than meets the eye, like, is that Elon just trying to be a proponent of free speech, or is this something that if they kind of let us off the leash for a little bit to see who we really are, can they use something like, I don't know, you know, one of these AIs to do like an analysis of every single person on that platform, to see everything they've said, so they can put them all in a box, so when AI finally comes back and puts the clamp down?

• 54:10Speaker 04

  That's accurate, you know, and I, it's about information gathering, like so much of their technology is, just to know what everybody's thinking, and what they might do, right, damage control beforehand, right?

• 54:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Uh, but don't forget, the old saying, you can have freedom of speech as long as you don't act on it, as long as you don't do anything, you can talk all you want, right? And so the real question is, is the system willing to have people change it, and to something better? And the answer, of course, is increasingly no. We live in a, in more of a corporatized police state. I have friends in Texas, who's tried to set up a common law court two years ago, kind of based on what we, we have been doing, and they got instantly targeted. They were arrested for illegal possession of firearms, which is a typical thing, when they're all registered, all the guns, and-

• 54:57Danny Jones?

  In Texas?

• 54:57Speaker 04

  Yes, and when they, one of them failed to appear in court, 10 year sentence. That's a misdemeanor under the law, normally, you get your, your wrist slapped, suddenly, he's in jail for 10 years, sentence, they're appealing it, but private prison industry, they need a stable number of people coming in, increasing number of people coming into prisons, because they make money off everybody, you know, who comes in.

• 55:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:22Speaker 04

  Trump's first Attorney General, Pam Bondi, was a former lobbyist for private prison industry, right?

• 55:28Danny Jones?

  Oh, really? I didn't know that.

• 55:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, so I mean, they're-

• 55:30Danny Jones?

  I know she got money from Scientology.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Pardon me?

• 55:32Danny Jones?

  I know she got money from Scientology, too.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Well, it, it's the same old game, they're scratching each other's back.

• 55:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  I often use the image of the triangle of big money, church, and state, as the, the unholy trinity of genocide, right? Because that's how it's certainly played out all over the world, right?

• 55:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, and then now you have to factor in the tech, the techno crats into this whole system.

• 55:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 55:55Danny Jones?

  You know, these people who are getting these big government contracts and building all this AI stuff.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 56:00Danny Jones?

  Because it seems like they're fusing with the financial, the financial elites.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, that's what corporatism is, everything gets fused into one oligarchy, and there's no semblance of democracy anymore. I think that's why China and the Vatican like each other so much, because they all have that, that ideology of how you should be, the emperor, the Pope, anybody, everybody else is subordinate.

• 56:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  And that's the system we're getting more and more, right?

• 56:25Danny Jones?

  What's freaky to me about what I was telling you, about how all these pastors are getting invited to the White House and to Silicon Valley to, to meet with these tech companies and to meet with the government, is like, the two parties, the, the technological people that run the AI companies and the government, and then these influencer pastors who have tons of influence on people who are, you know, part of their congregations, most likely, a lot older, vulnerable, more vulnerable people that are gonna believe what they say, and they're disseminating some sort of narrative to these people, in relation to what, into

• 57:05Danny Jones?

  relate, like, are they trying to convince them that, like, there's some sort of biblical story behind this AI, that this AI is gonna be a god? Because I'm sure a lot of people are going to think that AI is a god.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 57:21Danny Jones?

  Once it, you know, becomes sentient, and we reach the level of superintelligence.

• 57:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 57:27Danny Jones?

  So what is that? That's, that's terrifying to me. And is that, you know, is that what God is?

• 57:35Speaker 04

  Well, I think God is often in the eye of the beholder, right?

• 57:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 04

  I mean, what's ultimate? In, in my tradition, like, my mom's family, we're from Winnipeg, and she, our Scottish family, intermarried with a lot of Cree and Ojibwe, so I have native relatives, right? And they, their name for God, they don't have one, but they, in their language, they call it the great mystery, the great unknown. Like in quantum physics, they say, we can't perceive 80 to 90% of the universe, right? Well, it's the same way with, with love, or anything that's-

• 58:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  horrible, or, you don't know.

• 58:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  And that kind of goes against human pride and egotism, right? So we have to create these idols all the time, and-

• 58:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  One of the quotes I, I liken from the Psalm, Psalm 115, is whoever worships dead idols will become one, right? And I'm, I, I think of that, like, if you put so much of your life and everything into these devices, and into this machine god, you're gonna reflect that in your life, right? And I-

• 58:33Danny Jones?

  Anyone who worships dead idols will become one.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, Psalm 115. Yeah.

• 58:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I like that. I think you're right about that. And it's also, you know, just not knowing the, the, the, the mystery of where we come from, and what happens after we die, and what created the universe, is like, there's something to that, that plugs right into the human mind.

• 58:58Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:59Danny Jones?

  You know, and it's like, our my, our, our brains were almost, like, built for this, to, to make something more out of the mysteries, and to put a story to it, so we can actually understand it, because, you know, there's this great Thomas Paine book, where he talks about this, I think, I believe it's called The Age of Reason.

• 59:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a great book.

• 59:20Danny Jones?

  Where he talks like, are you familiar with it?

• 59:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:22Danny Jones?

  It's a really good book.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is.

• 59:23Danny Jones?

  And basically, what I took from that book, which really stuck with me, was that he's like, because man has the gift of reason, is, that is the reason that we understand that there has to be a god, or something like, because we know that we came from someone, and that someone came from someone, and the first one had to come from somewhere, so that really stood out to me.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  God given reason, Tom Paine, like Tom Jefferson, there were deists, which said, God is in our reason. God isn't an omnipotent being up in the sky somewhere, that we all have a spark of divinity, and it manifests as our reason. So, I actually had an ancestor, Peter Annett, and he was a free-thinking philosopher in England in the 1700s, and he was put in the stocks, and at age 70, my age now, he was put in prison for a year for blasphemous libel, because he questioned parts of the Bible and parts of the Anglican Church doctrine, right? And all he was saying was that we're given reason, so anything that conflicts with our reason can't be from God.

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  Right, now that challenges the whole kind of religious system, which is based on, trust us, we know the truth. This priest is closer to God than you are, so trust him, right? Therefore, the priest can get away with murder, literally, as we've proved time and again, right, with this work.

• 1:01:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Danny Jones?

  Are you familiar with this push to give pastors and, and-

• 1:01:50Danny Jones?

  Church leaders in the United States access to psychedelic drugs to where they can actually give that to their congregation.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  No, I hadn't heard of that.

• 1:01:57Danny Jones?

  To make them to sort of like revive and bolster Christianity in the West.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Never heard of that, no.

• 1:02:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's been this, um, there's been this sort of like weird underground push to do that here. Um, there's been books that have been written about it recently and um,

• 1:02:15Danny Jones?

  there's been this idea, this, this like sort of partnership between um, people in psychedelic science who are also uh, connected with people that are in the church to sort of like meld, just to bring this relationship tighter together to where they can, I don't know why, how that would work. I don't know how giving people of your congregation psychedelic drugs and then letting them go to church would be a good thing at all. Like, I don't know. That seems like it would be a great way to make people more militant and to, you know, give the people who are leading those congregations way more power. That would not be like, that's

• 1:02:59Danny Jones?

  how you lead to a suicide cult, in my opinion.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Well, to, to, yeah, I mean.

• 1:03:04Danny Jones?

  So what is, when is this story published? Nine months ago, Inside the US Psychedelic Church Boom, where taking drugs is legal. Um, this might be about something different.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  Church of Guy in Spokane.

• 1:03:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  You know what it reminds me of is um, in the 50s, of course, the LSD was developed by the CIA as part of MKUltra.

• 1:03:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  It's a mind controlled drug.

• 1:03:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  And um, Timothy Leary in that CIA funded researcher uh, became the guru of the 60s generation where you had to kind of, you know, drop out by kind of getting it. It was a brilliant device in terms of you kind of getting people so wrapped up in an alternative reality that they couldn't see what was going on around them, right?

• 1:03:47Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  Which helps anyone in power when you do that. But the churches then, back then, were saying the same stuff, that to be truly liberated, they talked, there was a book written about the magic mushroom. They believed that Jesus had taken mushrooms and that's what gave him his visions. And there was a whole kind of.

• 1:04:07Danny Jones?

  There's so many stories about that.

• 1:04:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. So, anyway, I mean, the point is that I, I think this church state, big money again, finding ways to control the populace. And religion, you see, religion is a very effective way, just like, because it's fear based, usually.

• 1:04:22Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  And the, the hippocampus area of the brain, the midbrain area, has been the target of a lot of mind control research. Um, and it's also interestingly enough, the same, I've always find this fascinating, the same part of the brain responsible for the so-called religious or ecstatic impulse is also where you get fear, rage, and lust, sexual lust. It's all from the same part of the brain, and some early part of the brain, early on in our revolution, those things are all related. And when you think of, in other words, why would people um, get it on sexually and be capable of killing in rage and believing in God? Why is that all coming from the same impulse? It's a good question to ask. And,

• 1:05:07Speaker 04

  you know, I don't know, it's, I think it's all goes back to fear in some way, you know? Uh, fear of death, we want to procreate fear of death, right?

• 1:05:15Danny Jones?

  Most primal instincts.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Right. And fear, you believe in God, you're gonna have an afterlife, right? And fear makes you hit back at somebody, right? It's all that primal.

• 1:05:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  Midbrain, or not midbrain, reptilian part of our brain, right?

• 1:05:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  Acting out. And that's why religion can be so dangerous, because it, it's mass mind control, and always has been, right?

• 1:05:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's a great point. Wow.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Danny Jones?

  You know, I, I just, you got, you gotta think that when the government and these big tech companies are really trying to uh, you know, use the vehicle of religion to push what they're doing, you should, all your red flags should go up.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, because, you know, religion allows you to defer moral responsibility to someone or something else.

• 1:06:01Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:06:02Speaker 04

  Um, and when you don't take responsibility, you're able to be led around on, you know, on a leash. And that's the thing about, uh, you're more likely to kill somebody or commit a crime if you believe in God than if you're an atheist.

• 1:06:15Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:16Speaker 04

  You know, because if you don't believe in any of that, you take responsibility, you're responsible for your actions. There's nobody else to blame or to defer to, right? And um, so I mean, I think all of that is part of it, right?

• 1:06:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Danny Jones?

  What you were saying about the um, the, the Neuralink stuff.

• 1:06:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:34Danny Jones?

  What is your view on, you, you, you think that um, Neuralink has been studied since like the 90s or something?

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  Well, the prototype experiments go way back. They go back to the time of World War II. And uh, after that, pioneered by guys like Jose Delgado, who perfected ECT and lobotomies.

• 1:06:54Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  The mind control went from physical to chemical to electronic, um, in, in terms of experimentation and what they were doing on people. And like I say, they used captured populations, prisoners, children, uh, church people, Aboriginal people who weren't citizens.

• 1:07:11Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:11Speaker 04

  Um, and so, there's a good book about that, uh, Edwin Black, War Against the Weak, America's Plan to Create a Master Race, where the whole eugenics movement of wiping out so-called inferior groups, didn't start with Hitler. They borrowed it from the American psychiatric community in the 1880s. And in fact, the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute that was implementing a lot of the genocide techniques were simply working with people over in America. Uh, they passed, 38 states passed sterilization laws, where if you had a low IQ, you could be legally sterilized. They had it all over Canada as well. So as part of that, the whole research aim of all this was, how do we control the human mind so that we, basically you can

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  create a nation of worker ants and worker soldiers who obey command without, you know, without question, automatically? That was what MKUltra was all about. It was military funded um, goal to, to find a way to achieve that. Now, they found it wasn't effective chemically, because people react different. The human mind and human being are very uncontrollable. But electronically, you get almost 100% success rate in terms of that, because the human mind is electronic waves, right? And they can be duplicated, um, you know, so you can recreate by beaming certain things at people. You can alter memory, identity, personality, and I've had experience of that happening to people I work with, who are turned almost

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  overnight into alternative personalities, who don't remember certain things, who suddenly have 180 degree view of you, and start spouting smears down against us when they used to be our loyal supporters. You know, I've seen that up close. And that's the thing about my story, when I tell people, I haven't invented, invented any of this, I've experienced it all. And it's all based on hard evidence. So I think that's why it's a mental jump for people to listen to a lot of this, because it seems like sci-fi. It seems like, oh yeah, I've heard, I've seen this in movies or whatever, but it's all real. It's happening as we speak, right?

• 1:09:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I mean, I always wonder like, how much of what we see on our phones and through the social media apps is, is somehow affecting our psychology and the way we think and stuff like that? Like, how much of it is just programming, you know, where they're just like pushing stuff out or deciding when to push stuff out, like, big stories and for, and to what ends? Like, is it really to mind control us all and subdue us? Or is it just, you know, to distract us from something that's going on over here on the other side of the world?

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  That too, very much. And don't forget, like I often say to people who get too kind of paranoid about the mind control stuff, you don't need to mind control 90% of the population, because people in large populations automatically conform. You know, they're gonna not do anything that's gonna, especially when times get hard, people are just working, they want to keep the roof over their head, pay their mortgage, they don't want to upset the apple cart. And so, it's a minority of people who are willing to act and go against the stream and lose and risk, right? And so you can easily isolate that minority from everybody else. That's what the whole public relations industry was all about.

• 1:10:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  Eddie Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud.

• 1:10:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  Created the whole, um, you know, industry of, how do you get, and there's an infamous quote by him where he says, the only way democracy can function in the modern world is to be able to anticipate and control the hopes, the memories, the dreams, the, the thoughts of the, of the population. So he says, you can't have democracy without mass mind control. And it's a very bizarre notion, kind of goes against our whole, you know, understanding what self-governance in America is supposed to be all about, right?

• 1:10:53Danny Jones?

  You know? That's fascinating. Yeah, that, Edwin, Edwin, Edwin, Edward Bernays.

• 1:10:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:58Danny Jones?

  Some of the stuff that he was doing was wild.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:01Danny Jones?

  And, you know, I remember specifically, there was one, um, he was working with um, one of those companies that made like the, the little cakes, like homemade cakes or whatever, um, where it was like, just like you mix it with water and then you put it in the oven or something and it makes these like.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah, one of these like instant muffins or instant cakes or something like that. And they were trying to sell it. And it was, no one was buying it. So they did a, like a psychological study and like a, a group study where they brought in um, a bunch of housewives. And they like asked them a bunch of questions and figured it out. And what they, what they were figuring out was that the housewives, they didn't feel fulfilled in making these, baking these cakes for their husbands and their kids. Like, they, they didn't feel like they had contributed enough. So they said, aha, we'll just say, we'll add, crack an egg into the construct, into the instructions. So now, you know, just mix it with water, you have to crack an egg into it. And it really did nothing but make them feel like they were actually doing more.

• 1:12:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:12:05Danny Jones?

  And then they started flying off the shelves.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  Well, that makes sense. And it's, similarly, the tobacco industry funded early, uh, the early suffragette movement, uh, women's right to vote. They sponsored with Eddie Bernays' assistants, he kind of planned the campaign. There was a big procession of women down uh, Broadway in New York City, and they were all holding cigarettes. And this is a sign of women's independence. They can smoke now. Well, big tobacco was funding it. So, you know, it's about money and it's also just, I don't know, if, it's like the technocratic class you're talking about. They're always thinking of ways to adjusting and changing and see, maybe this will work, maybe that, you know, it's part of the whole mentality, right?

• 1:12:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:47Danny Jones?

  And um, it's not comforting to know that all these people in this technocratic class are also buying houses and land in foreign countries, like New Zealand and Argentina and Hawaii, or not, Hawaii's not a foreign country, but all, all these guys are, they're getting dual citizenship in other countries. Like, what do they know that we don't know? You know, if they can predict the stock market that great, that, as well as they do, like, what? It tells you something.

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I think there is a big crash coming in North America. And one of the, I think the reason the crash is going to be more severe here because we're not used to too much suffering. You know, North Americans are the pampered children of history. They haven't had a lot of wars, they, you know, and suffering. So when it does hit, it's like when you talk to a CEO or a white collar worker, when they lose their job, they're not expecting it. They thought this was for my life. I'm a professional and it's a lot harder than if you're a tool and die maker on the assembly line, you come to expect these things, right? So I think that's why psychologically, as things are crashing more in, in America and that, you're going to see mass panic and, and all sorts of stuff.

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  And I think you're already seeing it, you know, but it's, um, like my, one of my native elders in Winnipeg said to me the other day, why do Americans hate each other so much? You know, they're always at each other, you know, like, I say, well, it's just, things are more, uh, what do you want to say? More, uh, maybe alive down there, you know, when you're like, the way you were raised in Canada, British culture is you don't cause upset. And that's why I was so easily blacklisted because he's taken on the church and government. That's treasonable, right? Whereas down in America, I tell my story and they'll go, oh, great. You took on the government, eh? Cool. Tell us more, right?

• 1:14:33Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:14:34Speaker 04

  There's that American kind of distrust of authority, but can easily be turned on each other as well, right?

• 1:14:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  You know, I mean, there's a, there's a sign a guy put up on his house on the waterfront of Daytona Beach, and it says, Democrats are the enemy within. And I'm thinking, hmm, where's that coming from?

• 1:14:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:53Speaker 04

  You know, like, that's, I don't know.

• 1:14:56Danny Jones?

  That's more people than you think fall into that trap, that right and left trap.

• 1:15:00Speaker 04

  Bipolarity, you know? When, yeah, I know.

• 1:15:02Danny Jones?

  And it's all facade, none of it's even real.

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think one of the things that really kind of broke the dam as far as, um, people being more aware of that, this sort of uniparty system was the, the whole Epstein file drop. Because that sort of like pulled back the veil of power and who really runs things. You know, the fact that people like that are flying around with impunity and brokering deals with foreign heads of state on profiting off civil wars in different countries and things like that, you know, with different intelligence agencies, it's like, whoa, whoa, what the, like, the fact that they let, obviously they didn't let nearly all of it out. There's tons more that never will see the light of day, I'm sure.

• 1:15:52Danny Jones?

  But the stuff they did let out

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:15:55Danny Jones?

  was just like, and with no explanation at all from the FBI. It was almost to me, it feels like we're just gonna flood the zone, we're gonna drive people crazy, give them a little bit of truth in here, mixed with maybe a little bit of bullshit too. And no one will be able to come to terms on any of it.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  Well, don't forget, none of that is new. You know, I like that quote from Harry Truman. He said, the only thing, uh, new under the sun is a history you didn't know about. And I think that's because things repeat themselves. But I find this in doing this work, and I've done this particular work for over 30 years. If you, and that's why I encourage people not to drop away in despair, because if you live long enough, you'll see how it operates. Because I saw this whole issue of the genocide in Canada raised up, become a big issue, and then buried down the memory hole again. So now people are saying, oh, I heard the other day about Indian hospitals. And I said, well, this was talked about a hundred years ago in the Canadian newspapers and 30 years ago on our first press releases, which were all over the place. So how is it that the memory is so easily wiped out like that, right? So I mean, that's part of the problem, right?

• 1:16:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Do you, do you have, um, do you have any issues like where, where you live in Canada right now with, with this kind of stuff with like backlash from people like, or are you, are you able just to get around in your everyday life?

• 1:17:11Speaker 04

  Oh, no, not at all. I've had to move around a lot. I, uh, being on a blacklist, um, your name precedes you. So, um, give you a concrete example, about a year and a half ago, I was invited in Vancouver to, um, a conference of high school teachers. And I had written to them saying, what you're teaching in your classes does not reflect what actually went on in these places. Something as basic as the 50% death rate, you don't even mention. So I came to there, they invited me to come to speak to them. I was at a high school there, speaking in their auditorium for about 20 minutes, and the principal walks in and he walks over to me and says, I need to speak to you. I go off into the hall, take a pause, and he says, you're not allowed to speak anymore.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  The Vancouver School Board has an issue with you being here. And I'm saying, the Vancouver School Board, I've never met with them. All I'm doing is quoting documents from the UBC library next door. And about my work, the teachers wanted me here and he said, you gotta leave. Now, something, that's in 2024, it happened. That's like, almost 30 years after I first began to do this work. Why is it persisting for so long, right? Unless there's much more than we even realize that this stuff is touching on. And so, um, that's reflected everywhere. I can't run rooms.

• 1:18:34Speaker 04

  You know, it's, it's the way it happens in Canada. There's this gentleman's understanding that certain issues and people you don't touch. And like I say, I always get a better response in America because, you know, officially you're supposed to be the land of the free, yet where dissent against authorities is not considered a crime, right?

• 1:18:53Danny Jones?

  Well, it seems like the, um, the people who are in charge here, they really envy the way things are in China and the total control they have. But they have this inconvenient thing, uh, this inconvenient document that the founding fathers created that's getting in the way. And we have to all believe or be under the illusion that we live in this democracy.

• 1:19:16Danny Jones?

  So they have to just like fake it, but it seems like they're just getting worse and worse at faking it. And it's like, you know, one of the things that, I had a guest on here recently who was saying the thing he appreciates about this Trump administration is that like they don't even try to hide shit. You know, they're just straight up out in the open about all the, you know, crazy shit that's happening.

• 1:19:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I mean, I don't think they have the need anymore to hide behind the, the illusion of formal democracy. Because, I mean, there's like, I remember a cartoon from the late 1880s, and it was called The Real Rulers of the United States Senate. And it showed all the senators sitting there, meekly in their desk, and behind them in the back row was the copper trust, the steel trust, the railway trust, you know, all the big money

• 1:20:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  sitting there. And that was around the same time the Supreme Court said a corporation is a human being under the law. They're a person under the law.

• 1:20:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  And they, they switched it so that now, um, human beings are literally just part of this big corporate thing. So it's been like that, but, um, it's, it's a sign of the way the world has shifted with this enormous concentration of wealth where they're, they don't need that illusion anymore. They're just saying, okay, we're gonna run things now. I mean, Hitler pioneered it. Permanent arms, economy of society geared to permanent war. America's $1 billion a day arms industry, right? And the, the fact that you get all the interest concentrated in one oligarchic state and extremely racist, extremely targeting one particular group as your adventure hatred

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  on to allow you to be more effectively controlled. And it isn't just racism, it's any group that you want to target, it works.

• 1:20:57Danny Jones?

  Right. But they don't want to target the group because of their race. That's just kind of like what we believe. Like, I don't think that they hold, they don't give a shit either way.

• 1:21:05Speaker 04

  Well, traditionally in America, let's say the whole thing, the whole thing about blacks. And it's for a while that's served a purpose, but it doesn't anymore. I mean, it's, I saw this, uh, priceless picture of this Cardinal Dolan I mentioned, right? Big money guy for Neuralink and Hillary Clinton and Trump, all sitting together at the table, laughing together. And I'm thinking, oh yeah, there's political parties out there in America, really? No, it's like, like George Carlin said, it's one club and you're not in it, guys.

• 1:21:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:21:42Danny Jones?

  What, you were, you were talking about, um, on this other program, I was listening to you, you were talking about this guy named Persinger, who is connected to this whole Neuralink

• 1:21:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:21:51Danny Jones?

  study with the, who, who was the Persinger guy?

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  He was a neuroscientist at Laurentian University. That's in, um, Sudbury, Ontario, which is kind of like north of New York up there. That university was set up by the churches, had a lot of research money, a lot of MKUltra money went into it. And he created something called the God Helmet.

• 1:22:13Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, I've heard of that.

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  Which could separate, by separating the two hemispheres of the brain, their impulses, you create an impression in somebody that there's another person right next to you, a kind of sense of another deity. And, uh, there he is. Right. And he was getting CIA money to create that. And he also found that by separating the hemispheres, you're able to more directly controls people's sense of reality. Right. And so you can get somebody believing they're anything and they're in any place. They're detached totally from reality, which, you know, another very effective mind control device, right? And, and a symptom of people who've been through a lot of these experiments, like many people I talked to all the time and that it's exactly what was being done.

• 1:22:59Speaker 04

  You know, I mentioned the mid, midbrain area.

• 1:23:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Targeted because the hyp- hippocampus, hippocampus controls. How do you convert short to long-term memory? Also, your sense of creativity. That's why, you know, when people are lobotomized, they tend to lose that.

• 1:23:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:23:17Speaker 04

  So if you want to have cut off people from reality, you gotta have them not being able to remember five minutes ago, right? And converting into long-term memory. And that's what I find working with people. There's a lack of continuity now. Like, I remember growing up, you know, people would stay at a campaign and work year after year, and they would learn from their, their experiences and everything. Now you don't find that. There's just disjointedness all the time. People, well, I call it the, the dabble and babble syndrome, where you're kind of dabbling this and go over there and you talk about this, but you're not actually building anything. You're not building alternative. You want to control a population, you gotta turn them into people like that, right?

• 1:23:54Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah. I, I certainly noticed a connection between that stuff and this whole like UFO phenomenon.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:05Danny Jones?

  Where specifically we had a guy named Whitley Strieber on the podcast.

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  Oh, he was on it?

• 1:24:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, a while ago. And he was, um, you know, he wrote the most prolific first book on this topic.

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:15Danny Jones?

  Um, I think in the eighties, like Communion came out.

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:24:18Danny Jones?

  And, um, you know, he's talked on programs in the past about how his, I think his father worked at a military base in Texas when he was really young.

• 1:24:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:29Danny Jones?

  And they, they pulled him out of school and put him in this place in Texas with a bunch of other kids in this military base where they did weird stuff with them, you know, like put him in a box or something, or like made him and a bunch of other kids watch like disturbing videos.

• 1:24:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:44Danny Jones?

  And, um, he doesn't talk about it anymore, but back in the day when he would talk about it, like, it sounded a lot like, you know, some of those programs where they try to make you disassociative, to where they can like sort of partition your mind.

• 1:24:59Speaker 04

  And multiple personality disorder. That's why, talking to survivors, they say, common story, as children, they're gathered up by the Mounties, they're brought in at age five into these places, head shaved, and all of them, first day they get there, mandatory. And when you're harmed in that way, pre-verbal often, because they were often bringing in newborns and young infants into these places.

• 1:25:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:25:25Speaker 04

  If that happens pre-verbally.

• 1:25:28Danny Jones?

  Trauma.

• 1:25:29Speaker 04

  You traumatize, you automatically split into multiple personalities to be able to survive. So often interviewing people, they have to revert to another personality. I talked to a woman the other day like that. She had to go back into her personality that she uses to survive. She became a little child again, and she spoke from that place, right? So if you want to create a lot of sleeper agents, a lot of sleeper spies and messengers and that, you gotta create MPD survivors, right? So it is designed, again, it isn't just random for any purpose. It's done experimentally to create a permanently dissociated population.

• 1:26:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:26:10Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:10Speaker 04

  So, I mean, it makes sense when you look at it that way, right?

• 1:26:15Danny Jones?

  Right, totally. And if that's the stuff that they, if they let that stuff out in those, um, those documents that were declassified in the seventies, the, what was it, church?

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  Church, Frank Church.

• 1:26:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I mean, imagine that what was, what was destroyed and would never, never saw the light of day.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  Well, that's what came out that, um, they destroyed probably 90% of what they had on MKUltra, but some stuff survived.

• 1:26:38Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:39Speaker 04

  Like financial records, which they didn't think were that important, actually had references to things. So researchers have been able to piece stuff together on the things that did survive, right?

• 1:26:48Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, totally. And there was that famous story, that guy, I think his name was Frank Olson, who worked a part of that. And he was the guy who was allegedly jumped out of a window in New York. And, um, you know, he was working with Sidney Gottlieb on all of this stuff. And then like, he was like questioning it, didn't want to do it anymore. And allegedly they killed him.

• 1:27:07Speaker 04

  US Secretary of the Navy, James Forrestal, early on, did the same thing. He jumped out a window after he had been looking into what this office and naval, naval, the ONI was tied into paperclip and, and all this research in Montauk, Long Island, right? And the next thing you know, he's jumped out a window. So, I mean, it's part of the game, right? I mean.

• 1:27:30Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, just like, you know, now I think they have a way easier way of ruining your life than throwing you out of a window.

• 1:27:38Speaker 04

  You don't need it.

• 1:27:39Danny Jones?

  With the total surveillance that they have on everyone and the way they can basically, you know, that's what they want, right? If I wanted total control of our population, so I could do whatever I want, move in silence, and have all my crimes, you know, be absolved, I would want to be able to have the ultimate blackmail and control and power over everyone's movement, how they spend their money, everything like that. So.

• 1:28:07Speaker 04

  And AI is achieving that too.

• 1:28:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:28:09Speaker 04

  And AI is becoming self-regulating. I'm talking to some people in Boston who worked at an AI facility just a few months ago. They said, it's not monitored anymore. AI is creating its own technology.

• 1:28:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:28:21Speaker 04

  So we don't even know what it's doing.

• 1:28:22Danny Jones?

  Well, they had the AIs training the other AIs. So there's like hundreds of thousands of these bots that are like, the people that are at these companies have no idea what's going on.

• 1:28:33Speaker 04

  And it's like the Terminator movies, when one day the supercomputer decides human beings are irrelevant, you gotta get rid of them. So let's nuke them all.

• 1:28:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  Right. So.

• 1:28:40Danny Jones?

  And are they gonna need to nuke them? Like, maybe they have other ways of doing it, right? Like, like, if you put AI in charge of creating Chimera viruses, or, you know, crazy biological weapons that we've never seen or heard of that are indetectable, and we don't know you have it until it's way too late and everyone's infected, like, like imagine what AI could come up with that way.

• 1:29:03Speaker 04

  And just get people to destroy each other using the technology, right?

• 1:29:06Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Um, easy enough to do once people are all, well, a quote from Persinger, in 2003, he said, "We now have the capacity to directly control all six billion brains on the planet, provided they're all part of the same medium."

• 1:29:22Danny Jones?

  What does that mean?

• 1:29:23Speaker 04

  Medium as electronic. If everybody's plugged into the same electronic matrix, you can control memory, feeling, thoughts, everything. And.

• 1:29:33Danny Jones?

  Hypothetically, that's what he wanted to do. That's what he said. You could control everyone if you could.

• 1:29:36Speaker 04

  That was the aim. That was what it was all about, to ensure social order and peace, right? That's the whole rationale.

• 1:29:42Danny Jones?

  Hmm. What really freaks me out is AI combined with, you know, the weaponry that we have. Like if AI can infiltrate a missile silo or a bio, a secret bioweapons lab or something like that.

• 1:29:58Speaker 04

  Hasn't, hasn't it already?

• 1:30:00Danny Jones?

  That's what really freaks me out. Well, like this whole story about this plague that allegedly has been released in Russia, like, does AI have anything to do with that? I wonder, like, I mean, I don't even know what Russia's doing with AI. Russia's a black box. We don't really know what's coming out of Russia. But like, I, I find it just hard to believe that if you have a secret bioweapons lab, that somebody could accidentally drop a beaker and then it gets released like that? Like, I would imagine they would have way more security and damage control in place in case something like that happened.

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  Provided you're in charge of your machine. And the point of it is we aren't anymore.

• 1:30:38Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:39Speaker 04

  You know, we're not in charge of it. And it's like a machine out of control, I think, to some degree, right?

• 1:30:44Danny Jones?

  And the way that these stories, the way that specifically this Russian plague story has spiraled, I can, like, I remember, so I saw it on Twitter on Friday.

• 1:30:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:30:52Danny Jones?

  I'm like, okay, there's one source, not many people are talking about it, whatever. Now, yesterday, Monday, it was like all over the place. And now, like today, it's like you can't even turn the TV off without seeing it absolutely everywhere. And, you know, with everything that's been happening in this country, specifically in this country over the last year and a half, from, you know, like the public assassinations, the thing with Trump, the wars and everything, it's like the Epstein files, people are conditioned to not trust anything they hear or see. So it's like, you're gonna have a huge, save just, just for the sake of argument, say that this thing is real, there's gonna be a giant amount of people who don't believe it's real and think it's absolutely fake.

• 1:31:36Speaker 04

  And that's also part of not just mental dissociation, but emotional.

• 1:31:40Danny Jones?

  And is that part of the design? Like, is that part of the plan, though?

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Danny Jones?

  I wonder.

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  I would think that, that, you know, when you're, um, you've got people in prison and you want to interrogate them, um, they call it bad cop, soft cop, right? But what it does is emotionally dissociates the person. So their will is broken down because they don't believe anything around them anymore is real. They're so traumatized. And, um, that's a symptom of this whole breakdown we're talking about, right? So it, it, you know, like individuals, societies eventually, when they're going through enough pressure, they experience a psychotic break, which means they become completely psychotic and dissociated. And then they don't even know what's true or false anymore. And you talk to a lot of people, that's what they say. I don't know what to believe anymore.

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• 1:33:21Speaker 04

  Right. All the things that we once believed in that were inviolable, gone.

• 1:33:25Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Is it like that in Canada?

• 1:33:28Speaker 04

  Even more so.

• 1:33:28Danny Jones?

  Even more so in Canada?

• 1:33:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, because you see, Canada is a very totalitarian system from day one. And as long as you're nice and play along, you never see it. But I experienced personally what happens if you're a dissident in that system, right? And you don't give up and you keep challenging it. People all turn away, even your supporters, even people, they just automatically turn away. It's so wired in.

• 1:33:54Speaker 04

  You know, to be controversial, that's like the C word in Canada, right?

• 1:34:00Speaker 04

  And, and so in, because as a Canadian, you're at a young age, you said you were a subject of the crown. You're not, whereas what do you say in America? You're a citizen of the republic, which means the government serves us, right?

• 1:34:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:13Speaker 04

  In theory, whereas you supplicate yourself from day one to the crown. That's how you're raised in Canada. So I mean, it's like a severe Catholic, the way you talk to them about the Pope. I mean, it's like, you don't exist anymore. You're, you give up governance to another and your own identity even, right?

• 1:34:33Danny Jones?

  Do you, do you think it's going to continue on the trajectory that it's on? Or do you have, like, is there any, is there any, you know, obviously you said there's no like dissent there. But is there any hope for it to become more normal, like less totalitarian?

• 1:34:47Speaker 04

  You know, the old saying, the grass is always greener. You know, when you're in your own situation, you see all the problems up close. And so naturally it seems kind of pessimistic, right? But, but in Canada, the problem is there, there's very little range and thought. So even among dissidents, you're operating in a really narrow range. Like when I start talking about churches committing genocide, it doesn't matter if you're left, right, center. They all go, don't want to hear it, right? There's soon, the golden calves there are inviolable. You can't, so. You know, I often use the example of, ever since I was a young guy. Protests in Canada, they always stop, doesn't matter how big the demonstration is, they always stop at red lights.

• 1:35:30Speaker 04

  Right? They don't just keep going, they stop, right? And there was that movie, Canadian Bacon, I don't know if you ever saw it.

• 1:35:42Speaker 04

  But it had a bunch of Canadians.

• 1:35:46Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, there was an American running through a crowd of Canadians and the American kept running into people. And every Canadian would say, sorry, sorry, as if they'd done it, right? And I'm sorry is a really, that's, that's the national psyche in Canada. That we're apologetic for ourselves and we don't want to create a problem and we just go along to get along because not being nice. And it's funny, you know, people call Canadians nice all the time. Nice comes from a medieval word which meant stupid. Nice as in simplistic and simple minded, right? And I think that's the attitude cultivated, you know, in Canada very much. And I've never liked it. My dad was American and there's this, I had both influences at a young age, so.

• 1:36:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:30Speaker 04

  You could, I could see the contrast really well, right?

• 1:36:32Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah. The, and what you were talking about with the partnership between Canada and China is very frightening. And it's very strange that you don't hear about that at all in the United States. Like I've never heard anyone explain this or articulate the way you have.

• 1:36:49Speaker 04

  You don't see it in Canadian media either. It's brushed over all the time. But who controls the media? Like, it was interesting. I used to have a good relationship with the oldest public radio station in America. It's KPFA in Berkeley, California. And they were started after World War II. They had this long tradition of dissent and they were great. When I did the protest in Rome, they were there to cover it. They, you know, they're really alternative. Now, I was on the program of one of the guys there, Dennis Bernstein. And I mentioned China buying up the West Coast. He turns off the mic and takes a break and says, sorry, Kevin, we got to stop the interview. And I said, like, why?

• 1:37:31Speaker 04

  And I couldn't figure out at first what I had said. And then I realized later, I just mentioned China. And I've never been invited back. He never responds to my emails anymore.

• 1:37:38Danny Jones?

  How long ago was this?

• 1:37:39Speaker 04

  This would have been, oh, easily, it was after COVID started, I'd say 2021.

• 1:37:44Danny Jones?

  In Berkeley?

• 1:37:45Speaker 04

  Berkeley. And a traditional dissent. And yet, boom, you mentioned Chinese control of the West Coast and off.

• 1:37:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you're in California and you're talking about Chinese control of another country.

• 1:37:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:56Danny Jones?

  And he turned it off.

• 1:37:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:58Danny Jones?

  That's even more bizarre.

• 1:37:59Speaker 04

  It is. And who owns KPFA, right?

• 1:38:03Danny Jones?

  Who does own? I have no idea.

• 1:38:04Speaker 04

  I don't know either. But I know in Canada, the Trudeau-

• 1:38:07Danny Jones?

  Find out. See, you'll find who owns KPFA.

• 1:38:08Speaker 04

  KPFA Radio.

• 1:38:11Speaker 04

  In Canada, the Trudeau government brought in laws allowing all public radio to be bought up by corporate concerns. So it may say, community radio or campus radio, you know, but it it usually isn't. There's some corporate concern behind it.

• 1:38:25Speaker 06

  The Pacifica Foundation, nonprofit media organization.

• 1:38:29Danny Jones?

  Can you pull them up so we can see them?

• 1:38:32Danny Jones?

  The Pacifica Foundation, okay. Well, find out who was on the board of the Pacifica Foundation.

• 1:38:40Danny Jones?

  Programs such as Democracy Now!, owner, who's on the board? Does it tell you?

• 1:38:45Speaker 06

  Founded by Louis John.

• 1:38:47Danny Jones?

  Louis Hill and E. John Lewis.

• 1:38:49Speaker 06

  That was 80 years ago.

• 1:38:51Danny Jones?

  Wow. Oh, wow.

• 1:38:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, one of them was a conscientious objector, yeah, after the war. Democracy Now!, by the way, I've consistently brought myself to them. They just flatly ignore it all the time.

• 1:39:03Danny Jones?

  Go back, go back, Steve. It says something about George Carlin. In 1973, one of Pacifica's stations, WBAI, broadcast comedian George Carlin's filthy words routine uncensored. Following a listener complaint, Pacifica received a letter of re-

• 1:39:19Danny Jones?

  reprimand from the FCC censoring it for allegedly violating broadcast regulations that prohibited airing indecent material.

• 1:39:31Danny Jones?

  The foundation took the matter to the US Supreme Court in FCC versus Pacifica Foundation and lost in a five to four decision.

• 1:39:38Speaker 04

  That's odd.

• 1:39:38Danny Jones?

  This became a landmark moment in history of free speech. And the case continues to define the power of the government over broadcast material it calls indecent.

• 1:39:48Speaker 06

  Interesting.

• 1:39:49Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:39:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you get these funny things happening and you go, okay, what's really going on here? Like?

• 1:39:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And you know, it's interesting, just like the state of the, the state of media today in the US. I don't know if it's anything like this in Canada, but it's like, it's become so decentralized where you now have like so many independent media outlets where like basically anyone with a microphone and access to the internet can have a huge YouTube channel and talk about, you know, basically whatever they want.

• 1:40:13Speaker 04

  Well, in theory, it's as revolutionary as the printing press was.

• 1:40:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:16Speaker 04

  You know, and that's why the Reformation happened because suddenly there's bibles all over the place. And, and you get burned alive if you own one, but it didn't stop it from spreading, right?

• 1:40:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:40:25Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:40:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I always wonder where it goes. It's very strange to watch, watch it happen in real time, you know?

• 1:40:34Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:40:36Danny Jones?

  What else you got there?

• 1:40:37Speaker 04

  Oh, I got.

• 1:40:38Danny Jones?

  You got a ton of stuff.

• 1:40:39Speaker 04

  I got so much. I mean, you know, what's amazing about this is the evidence is all in plain sight. And especially in Canada, they just don't want to see it. Like here's, I showed you the, the image of the kids sitting with open tubercular sores, proving that they were spreading TB. Here's one describing how people had TB well as they entered the, the school.

• 1:41:04Danny Jones?

  What is the current state of these indigenous groups in Canada now? How like, how many of them are left?

• 1:41:12Speaker 04

  Well, officially.

• 1:41:17Speaker 04

  You see Aboriginal people are very controlled in Canada. You're either on reserve or off. If you're on a reservation, it's controlled directly by the government. For example, you live on a reserve, you can't even renovate your house without government permission. It's tightly controlled. You can't, your, your family can't have too much money because then the bank council just takes it. And these bank council chiefs are directly controlled by the government. So if you have any freedom, you've got to live off reserve. Those are a lot of the people I work with. But if you're off reserve, you don't get any benefits and you're prey to, you know, I mean, I, so many times in Vancouver, native people would be killed by cops. And there was even a case, a cop emptied 13 bullets into a homeless man and was never even reprimanded.

• 1:42:00Speaker 04

  So he had to reload. He was just using his target practice, right? Because not a citizen under the law, you know, they have no legal recourse. And you know, the way the, the population gets numbed about it, here's an article from 1996, so 30 years ago, describing, it says, "School's electric chair haunts natives." They describe, and this is an eyewitness who was stuck in one, in a Catholic Indian school in Ontario, they had an electric chair set up and they would put children in it and electrocute them and have them jump. And

• 1:42:32Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:42:33Speaker 04

  It said to entertain visiting dignitaries. So these, these church and government guys stand around laughing as a native kid's being electrocuted and died often in it. That article

• 1:42:44Danny Jones?

  Oh my God.

• 1:42:45Speaker 04

  That's on the front page of the Globe and Mail, which is the largest newspaper in Canada.

• 1:42:49Danny Jones?

  What year was that?

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  October 21st, 1996, literally 30 years ago this month. There wasn't one protest. There wasn't one objection in parliament. The media didn't do a follow-up story. Nobody was concerned. 30 years later, the same thing happens with the kids being tossed into ovens in the church. And again, no protest, nothing. Like, where are people? Where is the outrage? You get thousands in the streets over Palestine.

• 1:43:15Danny Jones?

  I think people just want to, yeah, you're right about the Palestine thing. It's, it's, it's because it's, it's right in front of our faces in 4K, you know, that, that Palestinian genocide. But I feel like with the church, I, I think people just want to ignore it and pretend it's not real. I'm sure there's a way more sophisticated cover-up happening for sure. They have lots of money.

• 1:43:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. You never want to admit what's in your own backyard, right? It's too uncomfortable. So often protests require that they should be thousands of miles away because then I can safely walk around and then feel like I've done something. But I mean, the thing about

• 1:43:55Danny Jones?

  But like, my thing though, is, you know, for the religious folks who want to ignore some of the insane crimes that have been done by the church and the cover-ups. Like, it's not, like, that doesn't affect your personal faith or like how good of a Christian you are. This is just something that happens in big corrupt organizations when people are getting a lot of money and power. Like, it's, it, that shouldn't poison the well of your own personal relationship with God.

• 1:44:33Speaker 04

  No, it doesn't.

• 1:44:34Danny Jones?

  Or whatever that is.

• 1:44:34Speaker 04

  Not in theory, but if you're part of that corporation that's doing the crime and you give it a Monday every Sunday and you're looking the other way, that's complicit in a crime under the law. But here's the thing, when I, here's the proof.

• 1:44:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah. But is it like, if you tithe, are you really responsible for, you know?

• 1:44:52Speaker 04

  Under the law, if you're funding an organization that is being convicted of laundering money, moving it across borders for legal purposes, trafficking human beings, it's called a TNCO, transnational criminal organization. And under international law and American law, you can lawfully seize the funds. And if you fund that organization, you're complicit in a crime.

• 1:45:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah. But I don't understand. So, so you think a, a young person who is told by the leader of her congregation, her pastor, that if you tithe a thousand dollars today, you are going to be right with God. God is going to help you. It's going to fix your life. And you say, okay, I'm going to give this money to God. And there, it's not to you, it's to God. You're telling me that that young person who was told this is now complicit?

• 1:45:41Speaker 04

  Well, objectively, they are. They're funding a

• 1:45:44Danny Jones?

  How, but if they, how if they, if they are not aware of any of that stuff and they're being lied to?

• 1:45:48Speaker 04

  Under the law, ignorance of a crime is no defense. That's kind of basic. They taught me that in first year law. It doesn't matter. Oh, I didn't know the murder weapon was being hidden in my attic. Doesn't matter. You're, you're co-conspirator in a crime, even if you're not aware of it. Okay. So that argument, for example, in a case, oh, I didn't know she was a minor. Oh, I didn't know she was unwilling.

• 1:46:09Danny Jones?

  Well, that's totally different.

• 1:46:10Speaker 04

  No, but it's still a crime. And, and genocide are in the same category as a crime against humanity now. Okay. Whereas, I just want to give you an example of how it happens. This is a letter from the Attorney General of British Columbia. During my defrocking, people were writing to him saying, this is not following due process. He's not being allowed to see the charges against him, face his accusers, trumped up charges against him. How can this happen under Canadian law? Quote, this is from Ujaldasange, Attorney General. I recognize your strong concerns, but the internal disciplinary processes used by churches are outside the jurisdiction of this ministry that is outside the law, outside

• 1:46:54Speaker 04

  the law of Canada. So the reality is historically and still today, churches are outside the law. There are law unto themselves. And we know that from the Catholic Church. They got a policy called crimine sollicitans. Every Catholic who knows about child, silenced, not to tell the police. And I should have mentioned this earlier because you don't tell the police, you're, you're aiding and abetting in a crime. It's a criminal conspiracy. All over the world, every Catholic has to protect child, not tell the police. Right? And when we were doing protests at the churches, the cops would come up to me and say, you can't do this. I say, do you know about crimine, this policy? You're obligated to protect the Catholic Church and their child. That means you're colluding in this crime. Every

• 1:47:38Speaker 04

  time I mentioned that to them, they stood back and didn't object to what we're protesting. Because they're a law unto themselves. That's why they're able to get away with generations of murdering children or getting rid of me and operating under law where they can do it and in violation of the law and my rights. So I mean, that's really important to understand what you're dealing with. When you talk about, well, especially the Church of Rome, but really any state authorized church that has 501(c)(3) status or

• 1:48:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:48:08Speaker 04

  That's how they control churches. They're tax exempt.

• 1:48:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:48:11Speaker 04

  Right. So they don't want to lose that. So they go along with the government on everything. Right? Pretty much.

• 1:48:18Danny Jones?

  Right. But like, my point about the tithing is thing is that they're preying on vulnerable people

• 1:48:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:48:24Danny Jones?

  to fund their operation and straight up lying to them, not, well, not telling them the truth about where that money is going. I'm not saying, I'm not saying that like those people, you know, are going out of their way to investigate it or like not being curious enough to ask them, you know, maybe they don't want to ask, maybe they, they really do believe, like the mind is a powerful thing. Like it's a, it's a powerful placebo. Like that can happen where people tithe money and then you're, you're so convinced that this money is, God is going to transform your life and your life is, you're going to be better for doing this. And that can actually happen and they can, people can actually believe this.

• 1:49:05Speaker 04

  Well, sure they believe it, but

• 1:49:06Danny Jones?

  These people are, are 100% victims of these, of these criminal sociopathic, manipulative people running these churches, making tons of fucking money.

• 1:49:18Speaker 04

  That's why they should leave. They shouldn't give money.

• 1:49:21Danny Jones?

  But like, that's a thing, that's another thing too, is like, even if you, I could sit down any of these people right in front of me and I could tell them all this stuff and they don't want to believe it.

• 1:49:29Speaker 04

  No, I know. And I say to them, I remember the one time I went into the Vatican, when I was doing my exorcism there, which is a whole story.

• 1:49:37Danny Jones?

  You did an exorcism?

• 1:49:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. And then a tornado hit the next morning. It was great. And then they press began to cover, the same week, they began to report Ratzinger's role. It was very, I'll tell you about that in a minute. But when I, when I, the one time I was in the Vatican, they had a big sign up, papal blessings, 150 euros. So, but apparently God prefers credit cards to cash. The money, how does money go to God? It isn't. It's going to people who say they represent God. Right? And, and

• 1:50:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:50:10Speaker 04

  You know, so there's a big difference, but people don't see the difference. And that's a classic symptom of being dissociated and traumatized.

• 1:50:16Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:50:17Speaker 04

  Right? And what do you think that religion does? You're going to go to hell unless you do this and pay us this. And you can buy your relative soul out of purgatory, this imaginary place, if you give us enough money. That's what caused Martin Luther to launch the Reformation.

• 1:50:32Danny Jones?

  What was that thing? What was that called again? When you could buy your soul out of purgatory?

• 1:50:36Speaker 04

  Indulgence.

• 1:50:36Danny Jones?

  Indulgence. Okay.

• 1:50:38Speaker 04

  And they used it in the Crusades. They said, if you kill in the interest of the church, kill Saracens, kill Jews, kill whoever, all of your, your original state of living in sin is nullified and you have a one-way ticket to heaven. Well, that's what fundamentalist Muslims say too, right?

• 1:50:54Danny Jones?

  That's exactly

• 1:50:55Speaker 04

  Jihad. It's the same way. Catholicism and Islam are very, very similar in their ideology, right? That same idea that kill in the name of God and you're blessed.

• 1:51:05Danny Jones?

  And that's the same thing, narrative you see coming out, coming out of this whole Israeli thing, this Israeli genocide too.

• 1:51:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:12Danny Jones?

  With the, them trying to co-opt these evangelicals.

• 1:51:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:51:18Danny Jones?

  You know, it's, it's sinister. Tell me, tell me about this exorcism.

• 1:51:23Speaker 04

  Okay. I had done one before in Port Alberni and that was a very bizarre experience because very genuine.

• 1:51:33Speaker 04

  And when people about that in Europe heard about it, when we were doing that tribunal in Europe that eventually convicted Ratzinger, that they said, come to Rome and do a ceremony. And I thought, that's kind of pretentious in public, and that's really not how exorcisms happen. So I didn't want to do that. I came to St. Peter's Square with all my stuff, and I was going to do a memorial service for the children who died. Okay, this was October 11th, 2009.

• 1:52:00Danny Jones?

  Are you, are you a religious man?

• 1:52:02Speaker 04

  Not capital R, not capital C, but I'm, I have a spiritual discipline I do, but...

• 1:52:08Danny Jones?

  So at this point, did you believe that this exorcism was, was gonna work?

• 1:52:12Speaker 04

  I didn't plan to do the exorcism.

• 1:52:14Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:52:14Speaker 04

  I came to do a ceremony, kind of a memorial service.

• 1:52:18Danny Jones?

  I'm getting ahead of myself, okay.

• 1:52:19Speaker 04

  Now, they have a policy in Rome that you're not allowed to do anything in St. Peter's Square. Ceremony, religious, there were 13 native grandmothers who came and were arrested for conducting a pagan ceremony in the middle of St. Peter's Square. The Rome police and the Vatican, you know, police come in and take people out. So I went there and I stood there, and I began to do this memorial service. And then I thought, yeah, they're right, I'm right in the heart of the beast here. I really should call out this, the spirit. The first stage of an exorcism, you call out the entity to reveal itself, to name itself, and thereby it loses its power because it's exposed to the light of day, right?

• 1:52:59Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:53:00Speaker 04

  So I did that. As I'm doing it, these cops are walking by, and they're not even seeing me. They're like, looking at me, but as if I'm not there. And my three friends who were with me were saying, Kev, it was strange. They were like, literally acting like you weren't there. It was strange. And I did the whole ceremony. I was in my robe and regalia, and I did it. The next morning at 8:30 in the morning...

• 1:53:22Danny Jones?

  Why did you do this?

• 1:53:23Speaker 04

  I was just compelled to do it.

• 1:53:26Danny Jones?

  Impulsively? Just out of nowhere?

• 1:53:27Speaker 04

  I thought, it's got to be named, this, this entity. And I think it is a spiritual battle very much, that all these things concern. And I felt...

• 1:53:36Danny Jones?

  What made you think you had an entity in you?

• 1:53:38Speaker 04

  No, in it. I wasn't talking about entity in me.

• 1:53:42Danny Jones?

  Oh, you were exorcising somebody else?

• 1:53:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. It was an exorcism, not about me.

• 1:53:46Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:53:47Speaker 04

  I'm calling out the entity of Rome. It was an exorcism to expose this, this entity.

• 1:53:53Danny Jones?

  Oh, I see.

• 1:53:55Speaker 04

  Okay. Sorry, I should have clarified that. So, the next morning, a tornado hits Rome for the first time in 48 years. And we got in picture this, everything is scattered, you know, all over central Rome. The same week, the European press begin reporting Ratzinger's role, Pope Benedict's role, and concealing these things. And I don't think it's coincidental, because, you see, it wasn't really about me. I'm just kind of a channel through which things act on, just like all this work. But when you name the truth like that, you're protected, you're concealed. And it's funny, one of my native relatives said, well, you know, Kev, you're invisible. Because, you know, that's what happens. You're

• 1:54:40Speaker 04

  protected when you're doing the right thing. And that's, I don't know how you want to interpret it. I've bothered, I haven't bothered trying to interpret what happened, but these things all happen, one, two, three, after it, right? And I think, I know it's real, because in my own life, I've encountered this, this kind of demonic reality. And people I've worked with, that first exorcism I did in, in the native community and that, it wasn't me doing it. I was part of a larger group involved in clearing this young boy who had been definitely possessed. And so that's, that's why I knew it, it was, it was a real thing. It wasn't just something out of the movies, right?

• 1:55:22Danny Jones?

  Hmm. What, tell me, what happened with this boy that was possessed?

• 1:55:27Speaker 04

  He was young. He, his mother had been kind of typical native life, had been on drugs. He was fetal alcohol syndrome and very prey to influences. And when I was, I was called in by some of the native elders who I was, I was leading, as I mentioned, speak for my pulpit on Sunday, and I'd been working with them. And they invited me in, and I walk into the room, and there's this young boy on a bed, and he's going through physical deformations, as I'm watching him. Like, face expanding, eyes turning different colors. Not imagined, I don't do drugs. I've never smoked too drunk or anything. So I

• 1:56:09Speaker 04

  was very cogent at the moment. And there was a feeling in the room that I can't describe, just, you just want to get out of there. There's this, like this hideous feeling. And there was a primary, they don't call them exorcisms in their culture. It's, he was a shaman. And they were trying to cleanse the boy. They were using all sorts of traditional methods. And I was in the group that was kind of protecting him as he was encountering this darkness.

• 1:56:36Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:56:36Speaker 04

  And it went on for, oh, over three days. And eventually, he left this thing, not he, but it, you could feel it and see it, like leave. And there's this beautiful feeling, kind of compare it to when my daughters were born, and I helped deliver both of them. This feeling, beautiful feeling, kind of life entering for the first time, kind of like this doorway opening into eternity. And this thing left. But as it did, he kind of reached on one like this, at us. And it caught me right here. And it hit the others as well. They all suffered a lot of weird symptoms after. But it was, and I had a lot of work done after kind of healing this thing. But what it is, and when I had contact with

• 1:57:20Speaker 04

  it, I was able to kind of perceive this other reality more. And I perceived it as kind of these tentacles everywhere, kind of going in and feeding off people. And energetically, I think, you know, we're not just, in all our talk today, we've been talking about kind of mechanical and very material things, right?

• 1:57:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:57:38Speaker 04

  But there's a spiritual counterpart to this, a multi-dimensional reality to this, where these spiritual entities do feed off human beings. And especially if you're vulnerable, alcoholics and drug addicts are especially vulnerable, because of the way it depresses our natural healing aura that we have, our connection to Mother Earth, the things that keep us naturally sane and stable and happy, right? So they're fed off that way. And I had another, one of these other strange experiences I've had.

• 1:58:09Danny Jones?

  I want to, yeah, when you were doing, so you guys were, it wasn't like a proper exorcism you were doing on that boy. You, he was acting weird, convulsing, changing colors, and you all agreed that there was a demon in him?

• 1:58:25Speaker 04

  No, we didn't agree on that at all. We didn't know what it was. And there is no such thing as a proper exorcism, because different cultures have different names for it, different ways they approach it. You know, what you see in movies, it's the Catholic version.

• 1:58:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:58:36Speaker 04

  Right. And since they own a lot of the media in that, naturally, you're going to get their bias on this. But, no, this was, and I don't have a word in their language for it, because I don't know their language. But, and they were describing it was, it was, they have a word for, there's a word in, among my relatives, the Ojibwe, Central Canada, Waichigay. And like, wendigo, I don't know if you've heard these terms, but Waichigay and wendigo, eastern woodlands and central plains terms for, they're called man-eaters. And a Waichigay eats people from the inside out, and it can infect, infect a whole people. And that drives them crazy, and they kill each other, basically. So, I mean, there's different words for, for this. And I don't want to, you know, put one definition on this

• 1:59:20Speaker 04

  thing, right? But I was in my street ministry over many years in Vancouver. All one night, I had coffee and soup I was giving to homeless people. And I saw this funny thing down on a basement stairway on the waterfront. And it looked like a fog, and I thought, that's weird for a fog to be in that part. And I looked down the stairways, it was a homeless guy passed out, but it looked like there was a fog over him, right? And I go down, and it congealed into more like a spongy thing, you know? And as I was going down, I was literally felt like I was being pushed back. And I heard this, I didn't hear a voice, but I kind of had that awareness. This thing's eating him, and there's nothing you can do.

• 2:00:04Speaker 04

  It'll kill you if you come near it. This thing's eating him, right? And I think it was a physical manifestation of stuff that goes on, is that, especially with the technology now, it's, and I think of this in online porn, it feeds off our vital energy source, our base chakra, our, the things that keep us human, it attaches to that, and it feeds off it, literally. It's a parasitic, it's spiritual vampirism, it's a form of parasitism. And that's why the population is kept associated, because they're more easily fed off that way. And I think it's involving that as well. And I don't know if you wanted to get into all this, but it's part of this whole thing I've been learning, right, over the years?

• 2:00:45Danny Jones?

  So you think it's some sort of, these spiritual parasites that exist in another dimension that can feed off people?

• 2:00:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's, there's no separation between the spiritual and the material. That's kind of our Western philosophical bias, that you've got spirit and matter and all that. It's really one, but it has multi-dimensional aspects. So anything happening right now in this physical world is also happening at a spiritual level. So, and that's, that's why religion has always played a role in controlling people and committing these massive crimes, because it effectively keeps everyone mentally and emotionally caged, right? So be better fed off, right? It's how a few control the many.

• 2:01:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:32Speaker 04

  You know?

• 2:01:32Danny Jones?

  So, wow, that's wild. When, when you were at the Vatican, what was the name of the thing that you called out?

• 2:01:42Speaker 04

  It, it didn't have a, in the ceremony, I said, the entity of the angel of Rome. That's a biblical term.

• 2:01:51Danny Jones?

  You said, the entity of the angel of Rome?

• 2:01:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, is what I called it. Because, well, people call it by their names, an overmind, a hegemonicon.

• 2:02:04Speaker 04

  In the Bible, in the Letters of Paul, whenever he writes a letter to like the, he doesn't say to the church in Ephesus, he says to the angel of the church of Ephesus, he's addressing this angel.

• 2:02:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:02:19Speaker 04

  Okay, so it's kind of this over mind, this over spirit, and there's no point kind of addressing the individual people, because like they say, our enemy isn't human beings, it's the controlling spirits.

• 2:02:32Speaker 04

  And you address the entity and you can affect it, and hence all of its parts. So you aim at the head, like Sun Tzu would say in The Art of War, you strike at the heart, you don't strike at the appendages. And that's what you do in an exorcism, you address the overarching controlling entities.

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• 2:03:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:03:49Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:03:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:03:50Danny Jones?

  So you believe that this stuff is real, but you don't necessarily believe that it's what the Bible describes it as? Like, do you believe like, the devil is a real thing?

• 2:04:01Speaker 04

  The devil is a personification, no, any more than God is a personification.

• 2:04:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:07Speaker 04

  Right? But they're realities.

• 2:04:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:10Speaker 04

  And they influence all of us, right?

• 2:04:12Danny Jones?

  The devil, the devil is a label for something that you believe is real.

• 2:04:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, which you can't really understand. It's kind of like asking a goldfish to describe what it's in. Right? Well, they don't know, it's just the universe, they don't realize it's water, probably, right?

• 2:04:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:26Speaker 04

  And it's the same way, I think spiritually, when you're talking about these things, you can't perceive a direct, it's like in quantum physics, they talk about that. You can't actually see a particle, you can just see its ghost, its trail, right?

• 2:04:37Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:04:38Speaker 04

  And I think that's by analogy, similar, right?

• 2:04:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Danny Jones?

  That's bizarre.

• 2:04:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, especially when you look at the repercussions and how it causes so much crime. And this is what I don't get, people can know about all these crimes by the churches, and they go, uh huh, yeah, they're still allowed to legally operate, even though they kill tens of thousands of children. I asked a reporter, what does that tell you when that goes on? If you're still allowed to legally operate, the society's saying you didn't do anything wrong, obviously, right?

• 2:05:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:05:09Speaker 04

  So.

• 2:05:10Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, they have lots of money to pay people off.

• 2:05:14Speaker 04

  It's more than money.

• 2:05:15Danny Jones?

  It's been going on for a very long time.

• 2:05:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:05:19Speaker 04

  It's like in election campaigns, the person who spends the most money doesn't necessarily win, because it's not about money, people get to a point, they go, I'm sick of it, I want something different, right? And they're thinking voting will do that, but it's the same idea, we're more than just matter.

• 2:05:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, it seems that way, it seems like there's more to, there's more to this world than the sterile materialistic view, you know? And, you know, especially, it really becomes obvious when you start studying like, the history of the people that innovated space travel in the US, you know, those people were like, a mix of occultists, Freemasons, and Nazis.

• 2:06:02Speaker 04

  Apparently.

• 2:06:02Danny Jones?

  You know, and like, with, you know, the stuff that like L. Ron Hubbard, and Aleister Crowley, and Jack Parsons were all into, like, these are the people that, you know, were the pioneers of space travel, and they were all into this crazy stuff. So it's like, there's definitely, at the very least, there's definitely way more to, you know, the origins of, of the exploration of space than like, sterile mechanical nuts and bolts of like, building rockets and stuff like that. These people all believe in something more.

• 2:06:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so, any innovator has to, right? Because you're not operating in the one dimensional way that we're all raised to think. Like, political designations, left and right.

• 2:06:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:51Speaker 04

  I mean, what does that, politics like life is multi dimensional, you have, you have tyrants in every political ideology, and kind of, and a libertarian element in every, from left to right, you know?

• 2:07:02Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:07:03Speaker 04

  So why not talk about that instead of this mechanical bipolar, left brain, right brain?

• 2:07:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:07:10Speaker 04

  Designation.

• 2:07:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:11Speaker 04

  Politically, right?

• 2:07:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 2:07:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:16Danny Jones?

  Well, listen, man, thank you for doing this, this has been fascinating.

• 2:07:19Speaker 04

  Well, thank you, anytime. I'm often in Florida, so.

• 2:07:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:22Speaker 04

  We'll do it again, if you like, any particular aspect of this you want to get into more, I'd be happy to, you know?

• 2:07:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, this definitely, this definitely, very interesting, you've been covering this stuff for a long time, and I really enjoyed it, so thanks again.

• 2:07:35Speaker 04

  Thank you, and one thing I didn't get into at all is this whole part of the movement, where we're creating alternatives. The thing about Kamala courts, most of the work I do now, in communities, is helping people set up these things. Assemblies, not just working with survivors, but how do we bring about change so this doesn't happen to our own children and grandchildren, right? So sometime maybe we can talk about, get into more detail about that.

• 2:07:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that would be fantastic, I would like that. We have Patreon questions?

• 2:08:04Speaker 04

  Oh, we have a couple.

• 2:08:05Danny Jones?

  Three Patreon questions?

• 2:08:06Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:08:07Danny Jones?

  You want to do them now, on the, on the end of the show?

• 2:08:09Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 2:08:11Speaker 04

  Throw them up right now.

• 2:08:12Danny Jones?

  We got three Patreon questions.

• 2:08:13Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 2:08:14Danny Jones?

  So, pull them up.

• 2:08:18Danny Jones?

  Okay, Daniel says, ask Kevin why the Aboriginals still haven't dug up any bodies. The truth is, the truth is that while there was abuse in the residential schools, it is not as clearly systematic as widespread as the claims that have been made. These claims are used to, these claims are used to get more money that corrupt thieves keep to themselves and their cronies. Danny, okay, what do you think about that?

• 2:08:44Speaker 04

  Well, that shows an ignorance of what's actually happened over the years. And first of all, as these death certificates prove, half the children are dying decade after decade, you have tens of thousands of bodies. So the question is, where do they all go? We know that, we have letters from people like the principal at the Branford School where we dug, who said, we've run out of space to bury the children, we've had to bury them two or three to a grave. That was an article, or a letter to the government in 1949. And with the children being incinerated and that, it was a common practice to burn the remains. In the early 1960s, the RCMP and the churches began a campaign to go through all of the evidence, dig up all the graves. They've been digging up graves and destroying evidence for decades, for like, 60 years now.

• 2:09:29Speaker 04

  So to expect anything to have survived that? Nevertheless, we have done digs, like I mentioned, at the Branford School, two places in BC, every time we dug up bones, with the elders' approval, proved to be human. So in any regime, you're not, they're not going to leave evidence lying around of their mass murders.

• 2:09:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:47Speaker 04

  So this whole thing, and the claim he makes there that no bodies were found, this is a whole movement that began sponsored by the Canadian government, online, to try to create our own domestic Holocaust denial, where we're saying, you know how I talked about the cover up that's happened, and I should have got into that more?

• 2:10:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:06Speaker 04

  At every level, you can't get any of this stuff, it's been wiped off the internet, in schools, like I mentioned, not being allowed to speak to those teachers, not allowed to look at this evidence. They know they've won, they know they're rewriting the narrative now, so they're pushing it further and saying, okay, now we're going to say they never even died. Right? They have to deny their own records, the eyewitness testimonies.

• 2:10:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:27Speaker 04

  Experience of people like me, who know for a fact this has happened, right? So, I would just say the person needs to do more research by going to sources like this, and asking simple, common sense questions, like, okay, are you, to say there are no graves, then where do they go? You've got to then say, well, there were no deaths, which is completely absurd. Right? So it's going to end up an absurdity, I'm sure one day they're going to say, there were no residential schools. I remember at one point in the smear campaign on me, they said, Kevin Anna was never a United Church minister.

• 2:10:57Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:10:58Speaker 04

  Here's the Urination Document people, here's the testimonies of my congress. But they can tell the big lie, and Hitler said, you've got to tell the big lie, because people are more willing to believe a big lie than the truth. And the big lie now is that, this is minimal, they never died. And I think this is a reflection of that.

• 2:11:17Danny Jones?

  Timothy says, what's something you liked about working in Canada in the Canadian government? If this is already answered, what's something going on in Canada that the media hasn't been talking about or discussed enough?

• 2:11:28Speaker 04

  I didn't work in the Canadian government. But you mean, working in Canada?

• 2:11:35Speaker 04

  Maybe it was.

• 2:11:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, maybe he just said, working in Canada.

• 2:11:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:11:41Speaker 04

  It's my home. And you want to get some resolution when it happens in your own backyard. I mean, I use the example, when I was growing up in the United Church as a kid on Sunday, I put a dollar in the collection plate for what was called the Mission and Service Fund. That dollar is being used to kill an experiment on children. You know, right down the street, literally, in the Indian schools. So I have a moral obligation to do something about that as somebody born there. So it was part of that. And when I started this work, there was a tremendous response. Before it got shut down, people scared off, bought our for killed off. You know, there's been a lot of movement we had on the ground. And don't forget, a handful of us forced the truth out about something that nobody wanted to talk about in Canada.

• 2:12:25Speaker 04

  That's quite a miracle when you think about it. And that's why we want to do kind of a new docu-series documenting how we achieved that between 1998 and really the present time, well, up to 2015. So that's been positive. What the media hasn't been talking about? I mean, the media is so controlled now in Canada that a lot of things that happen on the ground, you never hear about, especially if it's having to do with China or...

• 2:12:50Danny Jones?

  Is social media more controlled in Canada than it is in...

• 2:12:53Speaker 04

  I'm not sure. I don't really operate very much in social media, so I couldn't tell you. But I mean, if anything, like, Canada tends to be more repressive on many fronts. I don't know why it wouldn't be more controlled.

• 2:13:03Danny Jones?

  Right, yeah, I'm curious. And is there anyone else that is speaking out about this in the way you are?

• 2:13:12Speaker 04

  Yes, native people on the ground do it all the time. Like I mentioned, those four native women in Portobrana who called me over and said, "We had to throw these babies into the furnaces," right? People do that all the time. You never hear about them, and their life is in danger when they do it. You know, like I mentioned, people in our movement who were killed by speaking out. You don't have legal protection in Canada if you're native. Only if you're in the chief and council government Indian system.

• 2:13:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:13:40Speaker 04

  Do you get protection? And 90% of them are not in that system. Your life is on the line when you talk about this stuff. And that's why it took great courage for native people to do this, these campaigns with me, because they knew they could, they could die from it, you know? And some of them did, so. Otherwise, you don't ever hear about this in the academic world.

• 2:13:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:14:00Speaker 04

  It's just totally whitewashed out. And like I say, I'm under kind of a permanent blacklisting in that sense. Yep.

• 2:14:08Danny Jones?

  Well, thank you for your time.

• 2:14:09Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 2:14:10Danny Jones?

  I very much appreciate it. For people that are listening, where can they find your work? Get in touch with you, all that stuff?

• 2:14:18Speaker 04

  The best source is murderbydecree.com. And that has a link to all my books. I've written 28 books. They're all on Amazon.

• 2:14:25Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:14:26Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, we didn't get into a lot of them. I brought some along. Not only the books about the genocide, but I've written training manuals and the common law. I wrote a whistleblower manual, how you survive attacks and everything. Just go to Amazon, put in Kevin Annett, A-N-N-E-T-T, and you'll see all that. And I'm constantly on the road, meeting with people and that. But best way to reach me is my email, [email protected].

• 2:14:57Danny Jones?

  Okay. Fantastic. Well, we'll link all that stuff below for folks. And thanks again.

• 2:15:01Speaker 04

  Thanks, Danny.

• 2:15:02Danny Jones?

  Good night, world.