#420 - The Sunlight Theory That Changes Everything We Knew About Health | Dr. Alexis Cowan

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Dr. Alexis Cowan is a Princeton-trained PhD specializing in metabolic physiology, mitochondrial medicine, and light biology. @UndoctrinateYourself SPONSORS https://takeultra.com - Use code DANNY for 15% off. https://ridge.com/dannyjones - Get 10% off your ENTIRE order. https://superpower.com - Use code DANNY at checkout for $20 off your membership. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS Alexis' YouTube channel: @UndoctrinateYourself https://www.instagram.com/dralexisjazmyn https://dralexisjazmyn.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Alexis' academic projects 03:56 - The Dr. Kruse rabbit hole 11:53 - Effects of fluoride exposure 17:05 - Non-native EMFs 22:21 - 5G & the blood-brain barrier 29:16 - Bioweapons & lab-grown viruses 37:22 - Viruses are nature's way of fighting back 42:33 - Why modern humans are so easily addicted 48:00 - Future of human evolution 49:39 - New psychedelics industry 53:19 - Transhumanists' fear of death 01:00:25 - DMT laser experiment 01:04:54 - Dr. Kruse's latest discoveries on frequency & vibration 01:13:48 - Effects of equatorial lifestyles & melanin 01:22:15 - How Robert Maxwell corrupted science research 01:28:34 - Ammon Hillman's peer review experience 01:33:08 - Real evidence around Ivermectin 01:43:45 - Origins of ancient languages 01:50:12 - Language is inherently deceptive 01:58:47 - Humans are living in captivity 02:03:50 - 90% of medical textbooks are outdated 02:07:21 - Methylene blue potential benefits 02:11:12 - Effects of copper on cancer tumors 02:14:57 - Stop wearing sunglasses 02:24:16 - GLP-1 effects will be horrifying 02:32:54 - What is a peptide Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

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• 1:07Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here.

• 1:09Danny Jones?

  You're sitting side saddle, huh?

• 1:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm feeling like a bit of a leaner today. We'll see, I might change my mind.

• 1:14Danny Jones?

  So what you been up to?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  What have I been up to? So I'm teaching a course right now that's very fun because I'm essentially distilling an undergraduate degree program into like one online course. So right now, we're in biochem, but we basically started with like intro biochemistry, organic chemistry, and now we're in biochem. And we're basically working our way up to like a quantum and circadian biology, like advanced lectures. So it's been really great because I'm also getting to revisit a lot of this information I haven't seen since undergrad, but with like new eyes since I kind of fell down Dr. Cruz's rabbit hole and kind of revisited everything I thought was true. Now, as I'm like studying these topics again and like preparing for class, I'm realizing like how many more things are connected that I never even realized

• 2:00Speaker 03

  when I was first taking the courses. Because also in undergrad, I feel like you're taking so many courses at once. And you don't really necessarily see the why or like the interesting aspects of those topics, but you're just like, I need to get the grade, right? So you're focused on memorizing the stuff, like putting the pieces together that you need in order to get a good grade, but you're not necessarily like integrating it in a meaningful way. And so I've found that very rewarding, being able to go back through these topics. And actually, we watched a couple of Professor Dave's videos in class because just like as an addition to help solidify certain concepts in chemistry in particular, I think we were referencing some of Dave's stuff.

• 2:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so for people who, last time you were here was like a year and a half ago, roughly.

• 2:44Speaker 03

  It's gotta be, yeah.

• 2:44Danny Jones?

  Maybe, maybe less than that, maybe like a year ago.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:47Danny Jones?

  For people that are new, and for all the people out there that worship credentialism, why don't you give your, your creds?

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Sure. So I did my PhD at Princeton in the molecular biology department, but my lab was actually in the chem department. So my, my advisor was essentially kind of like a split faculty across the genomics and chemistry departments. So my lab, the Rabbinowitz lab, studied metabolism. And specifically, I was looking at the metabolic effects of different dietary and kind of exercise inputs as well. So we were doing like sedentary versus exercise, as well as keto versus high carb diets. And we were essentially looking to see how tissue metabolism changed and how like metabolic control varies across these very disparate conditions. So that's what I did in my PhD. And I also wrapped up with some studies on, we were essentially doing pharmacokinetics of endogenous metabolites.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  So most of the time when you're studying pharmacokinetics, it's in the context of drug metabolism. So at like Big Pharma, essentially, if you have a drug candidate, you want to look how it's metabolized, how it's cleared, how long it's in the system, where it's being metabolized, things like that. But instead, we were kind of looking at that lens and putting it over the metabolites that are naturally in the bloodstream like glucose, fatty acids, ketone bodies, amino acids, and trying to essentially model their behavior in like this complex system in an organism. So that's where I left off. Then I took a gap year and I went back for my postdoc at UPenn in 2023, where for a year I worked on essentially building out a tech platform

• 4:26Speaker 03

  to help with multi-omic screening, screening rather. So when I say multi-omic, what I mean is essentially genomics, metabolomics, and proteomics, all in one assay, so that you can essentially, for example, look at patient tumors. And you can look at one slice of tumor and assess all of these different levels, like the protein content, the genetic sequencing, as well as the metabolite levels as well. So then you could overlay all that data and then come to better conclusions about what treatments might be best, for example. However, during that time, I started that postdoc in January 23. And then in April is when I found Dr. Cruz's work and like it flipped my world upside down.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  So kind of the rest of that postdoc, I was just like enamored with this other information that I was assimilating and researching. And then it was kind of a natural progression of me leaving and just focusing full time on these topics of quantum and circadian biology and mitochondrial medicine, et cetera.

• 5:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And for people that aren't aware of him, his high level view on things is what?

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, so he's kind of pioneering theoretical quantum biology. So kind of looking at like the fundamental aspects of biology as it relates to photons and electrons, essentially.

• 5:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 5:39Speaker 03

  Ultimately culminating in like actionable practices related to reconnecting with nature, reconnecting with the sun, grounding, just living a life that is conducive and in alignment with nature versus kind of breaking all of nature's rules and living a more modern lifestyle, which basically you can choose to do that, but his point of view is like, if you don't have informed consent around how harmful that is for you and like why you're getting all of these illnesses in like 20-year-olds or even in children,

• 6:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  that that understanding needs to kind of be shared and spread so that we can then make at least informed decisions around, you know, if you want to get sick and make these kind of trade-offs, you can do that.

• 6:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  But it's not correct from a biology standpoint.

• 6:18Danny Jones?

  It's just so funny to me. I've noticed it so much lately, you know, over the last year, over the last few years, is that like everyone's trying to get back to nature, right?

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:28Danny Jones?

  We're simultaneously on this never-ending race to progress technologically. But at the same time, we're also trying to, we know it's better to get back to nature, but we're still on this trajectory. So we're just selling more and more bullshit. People are just selling more, you know, technical tools and gadgets and things like this, and pills and drugs to help us get more, you know, back to nature. But you know, who knows if any of that really works? One thing that you can notice, though, is that like, one of the things that I always talk about is like, if you ever get out of, out of the US or out of your city and you go to like some foreign third world country for a couple of weeks,

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:09Danny Jones?

  or a couple, and you come back home, it's like depressing.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  You could feel the difference big time.

• 7:13Danny Jones?

  It's just, it's depressing.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 7:15Danny Jones?

  And I think that's just, you know, one of the biggest red flags that we're in a very shitty, toxic environment.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  And we're all like kind of desensitized from that reality as well. I actually had the same exact experience when I visited Jack down in El Salvador and it was Thanksgiving of 24. And that was the first time I'd been out of the country. I'd been to like Canada, but I'd never really been out of the country. And so I was kind of, you know, worried because I feel like in the past, El Salvador kind of had a reputation, obviously, of being unsafe and kind of chaotic. Obviously, Bukele has gone in and according to some as a dictator, but I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess, at some level to make corrections and kind of restore balance in society. So I went down there and just like had an incredible experience. And when I came home, I legit felt super depressed for like multiple days. It was crazy. It kind of felt like a, just like a dark cloud. Also, because I went during basically the winter.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  This beautiful, like, you know, rural environment, the beaches, the Black Sand Beaches, the volcanoes, just like the great company and just like the high energy. And then going home to like kind of bleak, like dead New Jersey in the winter was just,

• 8:22Danny Jones?

  Oh my God.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  the contrast was too much.

• 8:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there is something, there is something to be said about the, the impact that it has on you when you go to places like that where it's just different.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, it makes you also realize that you're choosing to live how you're living, right? Like you could make a different reality for yourself if you were so inclined. But obviously, there's lots of amenities in the US that I think people enjoy, but at some level, you have to make a decision of what's most important. The other really cool thing about my time in El Salvador that I noticed was because there's a lot of volcanic activity down there, it's like the land of volcanoes, which was one of the reasons why Jack picked it, because basically you get a ton of magnetic flux from these volcanic-rich areas. That's like manna for the mitochondria that helps them work better.

• 9:03Danny Jones?

  And we talk about,

• 9:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, kind of like the food of life. Yeah. And so when I went down there, I'd had food poisoning a couple of months before I left. And I kind of, my gut was just not really right since then. Literally, less than two days being down there, all of my gut symptoms went away. And the other really cool thing that happened was I had lived in black mold during undergrad. And I had like this mold on my hairline right here that had developed. And it was probably like a low-grade basal cell carcinoma, I'm gonna guess. It was dark, it was kind of scaly, but it wasn't really doing anything. And I'm like very against going to a doctor unless I'm dying, basically. So I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna let it be or whatever. If it starts getting worse, then I'll consider getting it checked out.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  Literally, on my eighth day in El Salvador, it shriveled up and fell off my head.

• 9:52Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  I did nothing for it. Like I was literally just existing down there, grounding. We hiked some volcanoes, we went to the volcanic beaches, like we were in the water, in the sun. That's all I was doing. And I just had these very dramatic and palpable effects on my health that like really sold me on wanting to ideally, in the long-term setup, shop down there at least part-time.

• 10:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, totally. You can eat garbage down there and you still feel great.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 10:15Danny Jones?

  Unlike here.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing. That's why Jack always says like, it's not the food first as like the main thing. Because if you correct the environment or you get in the correct environment, you can tolerate so much more. And that's literally by optimizing those mitochondrial engines. And also, of course, I'm sure there's some aspect of like, there's less chemicals on wheat products and just like on their crops in general

• 10:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  in these parts of the world that aren't giving like these negative effects on the microbiome and.

• 10:39Danny Jones?

  And they don't, we looked this up actually a couple of podcasts ago, but we found out that they're one of the countries that does not put the fluoride in the water.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  Hmm, that's interesting.

• 10:50Danny Jones?

  So I don't know how much that has to do with it.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Y'all don't have fluoride down here anymore too, right?

• 10:53Danny Jones?

  I think we do.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Really? I thought they're kicking it out.

• 10:55Danny Jones?

  Does fluoride still exist in Florida water, Steve? See if we can find out.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 11:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, I don't think they got rid of it. And I don't know, that's like one of the things that if you talk about it, you people like, look at you like you're a fool or whatever. They don't know, like, it's one of the big conspiracies, but.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  It's not even because if you go on PubMed, there's dozens of articles saying here are the trade offs of fluoride exposure, especially at like low levels all the time. For like neurocognitive effects. Yeah, it is still in Florida.

• 11:22Speaker 05

  It is, it exists, but it is no longer added. So it's going to slowly deplete.

• 11:27Danny Jones?

  So we got natural fluoride? Is that what they're saying?

• 11:29Speaker 03

  I think it's probably still in it, just from when it was being added previously.

• 11:32Danny Jones?

  So effective July 1st last year, Florida enacted the law bill 700 that prohibits local governments and public water systems from adding fluoride to their water supplies. Bro, for my friend, um, I have a friend who's a concrete company and they build the wastewater treatment centers. So like all the giant like concrete tanks that recycle all the shit water. And they literally dump giant vats of chemicals, all kinds of chemicals in those things to recycle that water. So, I mean, if you want to say fluoride's bad, I don't know what other kind of concoctions they're throwing in there, but it's a lot.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's lots of like halogenated compounds that go in like chlorine based and maybe bromine based as well that are used to like sanitize the water.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  I mean, all of that shit's bad. Like we use a reverse osmosis at our house if we're going to use tap water for like cooking. And like filter our showerheads and everything because yeah, none of that's good for the hair, for the skin, for you to breathe in, obviously for showering, all that steam is like volatilizing those chemicals too. Especially like the chlorine and bromine ones, they're very volatile. So they just go into the gas phase pretty easily. So you're inhaling that and like absorbing it through your skin and it's all bad.

• 12:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 12:44Danny Jones?

  No bueno.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  No. And like other water supplies throughout the world, they don't do that same stuff at all.

• 12:50Danny Jones?

  And I'm sure it has to have some sort of impact.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:53Danny Jones?

  So what, again, what were you saying that those PubMed things said about exposure to fluoride?

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, I mean, first of all, from a data perspective with regards to fluoride and dental health, which is their rationale for using it. There is some data to suggest that topical fluoride in high concentrations on the teeth may help with mineralization, although it creates like a a fake version of the mineral that the tooth naturally has, which is a hydroxyapatite. So it's like a fluoridated version of that that gets created, which, you know, you can make an argument, maybe that's not natural or optimal even, but even if you're just looking at like cavity incidence, for example, you can say, okay, maybe topical fluoride can help to reduce cavities. There's no data at all that would suggest that ingesting low levels of fluoride all the time does anything for the teeth. So.

• 13:41Danny Jones?

  Right, ingesting it, yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think that data that was initially like motivating the addition of fluoride to water was something like they surveyed municipalities and looked at natural fluoride levels in the water. And they showed that essentially that there may be some association with lower levels of dental issues in communities that had naturally higher fluoride levels. But as far as I know, that data was actually quite kind of spurious and not really clear. Um, and there's lots of other things you can do for your teeth. And actually, this is related to, to Becker's work, which we may talk about a little bit later. With bone and ultimately with teeth as well, um, that like these are working at a biophysics level. And

• 14:22Speaker 03

  if the biophysics of your environment are incorrect, like for example, from non-native VMFs or indoor living, blue light, like not being grounded, et cetera, et cetera. Then that's going to compromise these kind of crystal structures in the body at the level of the bone and the teeth, for example, and make them higher porosity and. But the story about cavities is like, there's so much that could be said with regards to like impacts. Dry mouth, mouth breathing, um, oral microbiome, obviously food consumption, because depending on what's in your mouth and how long it's sitting in your mouth. Those microbes can, for example, metabolize sugar and starch into acids like lactic acid, lactate.

• 15:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 03

  And other ones as well. And that basically makes the mouth more acidic, which naturally drives the teeth towards demineralization. Saliva is required to actually support remineralization. It creates a slightly alkaline pH to offset that. So if you combine like mouth breathing with eating like a very high carbohydrate diet, you're kind of just asking for issues in that department.

• 15:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, I feel like there's just so many, there's so many things out there that everyone's worried about. As far as like health wise and staying healthy and, you know, even people with kids, you know, there's like this, you know, every, most mom, there's like a whole group of moms on the internet that are always like trying to, you know, project how much more conscious they are of their kid's diet and their kid's health and all this stuff, making TikTok reels about, look, would I pack my kid for lunch and all this stuff?

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:54Danny Jones?

  And, you know, it makes me feel guilty sometimes when I see that, like, oh shit, I made my kid a peanut butter and jelly today. And then I think about, you know, when I was a kid, I ate fucking Chef Boyardee every single day for at least 20 years of my life. Just utter trash I ate. Pop Tarts and Chef Boyardee was probably a staple of my diet and some Easy Mac here in there. And I'm fine now. So I think human beings are a lot more adaptable than we think. Like we, we, we can, we can, as long as we're not like, we're not like riddled with comorbidities and all kinds of other diseases. I think that, uh,

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• 17:19Danny Jones?

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• 18:03Danny Jones?

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• 18:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I would say humans are extremely resilient. However, now, especially for kids today, there, it's like basically an all out assault on their biology and everybody's biology, but especially, you know, if we're talking about kids, that's their formative years, they're still developing, they're still kind of setting the tone for their lifelong health.

• 18:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  Especially when we're talking about issues like the non-native VMFs, which are not really publicly discussed as like a major concern, which is concerning because this has been of concern for literally decades and there have been whistleblowers on this.

• 18:38Danny Jones?

  It's just hard because you can't see it. There's so many other things we have to be worried about. Now we have to be worried about this invisible devil, this non-native BMF.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  Well, so here's the thing that like the way that I approach this is I don't really want to think about like the granular aspects of health. Obviously I try to buy all of my meat and produce local whenever possible, just because I prefer it. I think it tastes better and I just like it. I'll spend extra money getting good quality food because it makes me feel good. Having said that, if you invest your money on creating an environment that's conducive to health, then you have so much more bandwidth with regards to what you can get away with, without actually feeling symptomatic. And I think that's the biggest problem today is that a lot of people don't actually feel good and they're not healthy.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  If you do feel good and you are healthy, then obviously maybe you were dealt a better hand of mitochondria at birth, or maybe you just, you know, whatever genetic aspects that perhaps gave you more resilience. But a lot of people don't actually have that bandwidth. They're already kind of at their, they've filled their stress bucket essentially. Cause if we think about all of the stressors on our bodies between like social stress, um, psychological stress, like chemical stress, um, biophysical stress, like they're all additive. And if the bucket's being filled up in kind of every direction, you're just more likely to fill it up more quickly. And so anything we can do to kind of especially. Mitigate exposures to things that we know are suboptimal or just downright harmful

• 20:04Speaker 03

  for our bodies. Like, for example, with the non-native EMFs, it's really easy to turn off your Wi-Fi at night. Like, you could literally put it on a timer, like, plug it into the timer and it will just go off while you're sleeping. At least that's eight hours a day where-

• 20:15Danny Jones?

  My bed has Wi-Fi on it.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Your bed has Wi-Fi on it?

• 20:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It's one of those Sleep Number gimmicks where they like, you know, connects to your phone.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  Oh, my god. Have you ever had, like, a building biologist come to your place?

• 20:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I had Tristan from Daylight come to my house.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  So, did he check out that bed?

• 20:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he said it's not too bad.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  He said it wasn't too high?

• 20:35Danny Jones?

  The worst, the worst areas in my house were where we have baby monitors. So, we moved those to the opposite ends of the kids' rooms.

• 20:41Speaker 03

  Okay. Yeah, those are not good. The thing with non-native EMFs that people need to understand, too, is the inverse square law, which is a law in physics of electromagnetism, basically says that the closer you are to a source, the higher the dose you're receiving. So, I don't know if the bed is measuring low and you're, like, where you're on it, then maybe it's okay. I mean, I personally wouldn't do that, just because it seems like something that's avoidable. I don't, unless you, like, absolutely love your bed and it's, like, dramatically improving your sleep relative to other beds. But anytime you can just create some space between yourself and whatever the source of that frequency is-

• 21:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  You're gonna benefit from that. And actually, like, sometimes it can be kind of a rub, because, for example, I have a client up in Jersey and I went to go measure EMFs at her house and we just, like, you know, kind of, kind of set up some spaces for her to ground and we actually ended up seeing that her kitchen floor was, was able to be grounded upon because it was just tiles right on the subflooring. And turns out, her dogs, like, literally always lay on that floor. It's kind of like they know or something. But anyways, she has a cell tower that's maybe a quarter to a third of a mile away from her house, but you can see it in the line of vision. And the entire front of her house facing that was just maxing out the meter. Yeah. Which is crazy. But the really cool thing and, like, a great testament to mitigation strategies is that when you went

• 21:59Speaker 03

  on to her kind of side patio that also is facing that, but there's a bunch of pine trees around it, literally no signal at all. So, plants do an incredible job for blocking and, and reducing EMF burden because they essentially absorb all that frequency themselves.

• 22:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What I thought about those, those big towers, those big cell towers, is that, like, as long as you're, like, in a close proximity, you're safe. But, like, because once they, the, the way they shoot out the signal or whatever, or the, whatever the frequency is, it, like, spreads out the farther it gets. So, it's like, if you're in, like, a mile perimeter of it, it's bad. But if you're, like, right under it, you might be safe.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Hmm. I don't think so. It's the opposite. It's gonna be super high if you're right next to it. The one, I guess, kind of exception could be, if you're in an urban area, there's, like, a main tower and then there's repeater towers, like, every few blocks-

• 22:49Danny Jones?

  Oh, my god, yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  That boosts the signal back up. So, in that way, it could be high away from the tower if you're near a repeater tower, for example.

• 22:56Danny Jones?

  They stick those things on the top of all the condos on the beach down here.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  I actually saw them on top of, like, a hotel or condo building. I was like, I can't believe it.

• 23:03Danny Jones?

  They make them look like trees.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  It's insane. And they try to- Oh, god.

• 23:05Danny Jones?

  They paint them the same color as the building to, like, say, oh, maybe no one will notice it. Oh, I saw the trees, too.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  You're crazy.

• 23:10Danny Jones?

  That's insane.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 23:12Danny Jones?

  They put them on palm trees and they put, like, palm fronds hanging off of them.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  We have, like, the evergreen-looking ones up north. It's, like, very dystopian.

• 23:21Danny Jones?

  Is Bobby Kennedy correct when he said that the EMF, or the 5G passes the blood-brain barrier?

• 23:30Speaker 03

  So, what 5G does is it opens up the blood-brain barrier.

• 23:35Danny Jones?

  He said it crosses the bu- blood-brain barrier?

• 23:37Speaker 03

  I mean, it's not a physical thing, right?

• 23:40Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  So, it's an electromagnetic wave.

• 23:42Danny Jones?

  Maybe he did say opens up. I don't remember.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  I think he did. I could be wrong. But, like, that actual, that research goes back decades to the work of Dr. Alan Frye.

• 23:50Danny Jones?

  Pull this thing up a little closer.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, sure. He did, um, some seminal work in this area. And actually, he's still alive. He's, like, in his 90s and he lives in Maryland. I would, like, die to talk to him. But essentially, he did work on EMFs back in the day, also the same time that, uh, Becker was doing his work as well. And he showed that essentially, if you took his rats, essentially, he was doing rat studies and exposed them to certain frequencies that are akin to, like, Wi-Fi or 5G towers. And it's, he basically showed that the, uh, frequencies opened up the blood-brain barrier.

• 24:23Danny Jones?

  So, Kennedy said electromagnetic radiation from wireless technology causes the blood-brain barrier to become permeable-

• 24:29Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 24:30Danny Jones?

  Allowing toxins to enter the brain.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  That is actually true.

• 24:32Danny Jones?

  That's true?

• 24:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:34Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  And, yeah, Frye's research was literally, I want to say, in the 60s when he did those studies.

• 24:39Danny Jones?

  So, the toxins, it, it opens it up so toxins can get into your brain. What toxins, what toxins?

• 24:45Speaker 03

  So, the blood-brain barrier is a highly specialized barrier that only lets very certain things, like, very specific things through. And so, when you permeableize it, you're kind of just leaving it up to probability. Like, anything could come through. It doesn't mean it necessarily will. But in Frye's studies, for example, he was taking, um, like, an injectable dye. And in the rats that weren't exposed to these frequencies, the dye entered the body, but then when he sacrificed them, that's what it's called in science, kind of creepy. He sacked the mice and took the brains and the brains were not stained at all with the dye. And then the mice exposed, or the rats exposed, the brains were, like, stained blue, um, showing that the dye molecule, which is a big molecule, was able to penetrate through into the brain.

• 25:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, that's wild.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. And presumably, this would be relevant to all barrier tissues, not just the brain. So, I would imagine the gut barrier is also affected, the skin barrier, the lungs as well. All of these barrier tissues are kind of co-coordinated and they're-

• 25:40Danny Jones?

  They're protecting organs? Is that the idea?

• 25:42Speaker 03

  They're managing what is allowed into the body or into the brain in the case of the blood-brain barrier. So, they're very, very specific. Um, there's highly specialized organs and tissues that are extremely important for making sure that we don't get issues like, like, immune responses to foods, for example. Like, we see a lot of food intolerances right now and food allergies. A lot of those would be kind of non-existent if that gut barrier, for example, was, you know, nice and tight and high integrity. But the immune, a bunch of the immune cells in the body, like, 80% of them are around the gut lining, just like on the other side, inside the body. So, if that lining gets opened up, now the immune cells are actually able to potentially interface with more antigens from food that

• 26:25Speaker 03

  they would have never seen before. And now, they're being sensitized to those foods. And then when you eat them again, you're, like, having a response, for example.

• 26:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, that's what's going on.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. Also, all the histamine stuff that people are experiencing, it's, like, hugely hot topic. Histamine is essentially the body's first line response to leaky boundaries, leaky barriers. It's trying to defend inside world from the outside world. And so, whenever we get these hyper-permeable barrier tissues, histamine is, like, the first line of defense to help kind of, um, reduce the amount of stuff coming into the body from the outside.

• 26:58Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:59Danny Jones?

  And why does it, why does it, why is it happening all of a, all of a sudden, you say it's becoming more and more, like, talked about?

• 27:06Speaker 03

  Super common.

• 27:07Danny Jones?

  It's happening more with people now?

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, uh, you could kind of say it's a combinatorial issue that really started upticking around COVID and, like, when the jabs were rolled out. And, of course, also the 5G rollout happened at the exact same time. We already talked about how these frequencies can open up the barrier tissues. So, that's one. And then we also know that spike protein can kind of get in and inflame tissues as well. When you have an inflamed barrier, it also loosens it up. So, it's kind of like this negative synergy that's, you know, creating this feed-forward mechanism that could make the issues even worse than they would be from either input individually.

• 27:41Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Is it, is that, I never really, I remember we had a couple of people on that looked at the, uh, the correlation. But is it true that there was, like, a spike in soft tissue cancers after the pandemic rolled out and all the, all the, uh, the jabs and everything?

• 28:01Speaker 03

  So, I haven't looked at the data, so I can't say for sure if that's, like, true signal or not. Also, I feel like it's-

• 28:08Danny Jones?

  Who was telling you that?

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Pretty complicated. I mean, it may have been Kevin McKernan.

• 28:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, that's probably-

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Because I was gonna bring up his work because he, at the very least, they're doing research to show that, like, they're finding this, the proteins from the jabs in the tumors. Um, and, like, the SV40, um, promoters, enhancers, things like that.

• 28:26Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  So, it's pretty-

• 28:29Danny Jones?

  And, right. He was saying that something about what it could do is possibly make cancer, something like cancer, transmissible-

• 28:43Speaker 03

  I mean-

• 28:43Danny Jones?

  To where you can catch it from somebody. That's what he was saying.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  So-

• 28:49Danny Jones?

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• 30:17Speaker 03

  We know that certain viruses can cause cancer, for example. So, if it's kind of by a similar mechanism where it's, like, a certain, if shedding is actually happening, which I don't know if anybody's really looking into this deeply, like, in a systematized way within the centralized scientific paradigm, like, if the spike protein shedding from jabbed individuals is actually influencing people who didn't take it, that would be a great question to ask. I don't know if they're very motivated.

• 30:45Danny Jones?

  That's what he was saying. That is what he was saying.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  It seems-

• 30:47Danny Jones?

  Which is so scary.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  Maybe plausible, but like-

• 30:50Danny Jones?

  That is exactly what they're studying in bioweapon. I just had Anna Jacobson on the podcast and she just wrote a book all about biological war.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 30:57Danny Jones?

  And she was telling us about an experiment that was done, uh, with this woman who, actually, I think she might have gone to Princeton. She was, like, a very high-level, uh, Princeton graduate. I might be wrong about this. Might not have been Princeton. Might have been Harvard.

• 31:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 31:13Danny Jones?

  Um, anyways, she was somehow-

• 31:20Danny Jones?

  Recruited or she got radicalized by one of the terrorist organizations over in Afghanistan or somewhere over there in the Middle East. And she was like a really smart biochemist. And she was, she figured out a way to successfully make rabies aerosolized.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 31:44Danny Jones?

  Because rabies, from what I understand is like, you have to like actually touch it and get it on your, like, inside your, like, it has to get into your bloodstream somehow.

• 31:52Speaker 03

  I think it's from like a bite.

• 31:52Danny Jones?

  A bite, right?

• 31:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:53Danny Jones?

  She was working on a way to make rabies aerosolized.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 31:57Danny Jones?

  To where you could just, you know, take drones and spray it and people would all get rabies.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Great. Sounds like a good time.

• 32:05Danny Jones?

  Like, that's what, and, and that's basically, you know, her conclusion was, after all the scientists she, they talked to, like, they were trying to figure out how to wait, await, fi- find ways to make things like cancers, rabies, bubonic plague, make it to where it's just spread through the air. Where there's no touch involved, there, you don't have to touch anything, you don't have to get something in your cut or whatever inside your bloodstream. So, that's fucking terrifying.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  How did they incentivize her to do this?

• 32:32Danny Jones?

  Uh, they just radical ide- ideological.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  So she wants to kill a bunch of people?

• 32:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, she wanted to destroy the United States. She wanted to do like a crazy terrorist attack on the United States.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 32:42Danny Jones?

  I forget what the, there was, there was a specific, uh, there was one specific event that was like the tipping point for her, the where she likes, she switched and she was caught, she was caught by, I believe, like the CIA or something in Afghanistan, at like near the embassy, or maybe it was Pakistan.

• 32:59Speaker 03

  Was it recent?

• 33:00Danny Jones?

  No.

• 33:01Speaker 05

  Uh, I found her.

• 33:02Danny Jones?

  You found her?

• 33:03Speaker 05

  Siddiqui.

• 33:04Danny Jones?

  There she is, okay. Now, now, after I just butchered the whole story, we'll tell the, we'll tell the true story. She was a Pakistani neuroscientist.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Ah, MIT.

• 33:11Danny Jones?

  What school? MIT? Is that what it says? Okay, there you go. Um, born in Pakistan, um, came here, went to MIT, blah, blah, blah, blah, PhD in neuroscience, uh, university in 2001, she began, returned to, she returned to Pakistan, um, after, following the nine 11 attacks, and again in 2003 during the war in Afghanistan. So it was the whole war in Afghanistan that might have done this. She might have had like family that was killed or something.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:36Danny Jones?

  Um, and then she was added to the terrorism list and was the first woman to have been featured on that list. So scroll down, oh wait, what does that say? Go up, go up, go, go. It says, around the time she and her three children were allegedly kidnapped in Pakistan, five years later she reappeared in Afghanistan and was arrested by Afghan police and held to question by the FBI while in custody. Where does it say about what she created?

• 34:01Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 34:05Danny Jones?

  The virus that she was working on. Scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 34:10Danny Jones?

  Okay. She began collecting materials on viruses for biological warfare, according to intelligence officials in Afghan ministry. Of the interior, her son Ahmed, who was with her when she was arrested, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  Next mention of virus.

• 34:27Danny Jones?

  She was collecting materials on biological warfare.

• 34:33Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 34:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, would allow, that would allow chickens to pass salmonella to humans more easily. So it wasn't even what I was, that was not at all what I was saying. But Annie was talking about people that were actively trying to make rabies transmissible through the air. But this is, you know, it's all similar, it's all gain of function. You know what she also said? So biological warfare is illegal. Nuclear weapons are legal, as so long as you sign the treaties. Certain countries are allowed to have nukes. No country is allowed to have biological warfare programs, like, that's completely, that's illegal globally. So, she said, out of, like, all of the biological weapons facilities that are trying to work on these things, these chimera viruses around the world, 90% of them are disguised as vaccine labs.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  Hmm, that's interesting. Also, in the Patriot Act after nine 11, there was some aspect of that, that basically prohibited, like, uh, I guess bioweapons research here, at least. I don't know about the global ban, but from what I understand, we ended up moving a lot of those labs to Ukraine.

• 35:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was during Obama.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:39Danny Jones?

  That that happened. But there's still, um, a, a lot of biological, uh, research facilities here in the US that are described as, uh...

• 35:48Speaker 03

  They're usually not gain of function, though.

• 35:50Danny Jones?

  Eee.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Almost ever.

• 35:52Danny Jones?

  Right, yeah, I don't know.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, because, I mean, if you look at viruses naturally, they either are extremely lethal and not transmissible, or they're highly transmissible and very, like, minor, basically.

• 36:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  It's very rare that it's both.

• 36:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  And so I think the gain of function is essentially tinkering to try to make it both.

• 36:14Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  But I would imagine, even if that were successful, I mean, it could be wrong, but my guess would be that it would mutate very rapidly to restore the natural order of things. Because as a virus replicates, there's naturally going to be mutations that are occurring.

• 36:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  So, even if it's like super lethal and transmissible in the first person, that could dramatically fall off to make it...

• 36:35Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 36:35Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Because it's actually not advantageous for a virus, because they want to either be not killing their host and spreading to new hosts very easily, or if they kill their host, they don't want to do that super often, right? Because if they kill hosts and are also highly transmissible, they're going to kill all their hosts, then they can't keep reproducing.

• 36:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  So in the natural order of things...

• 36:58Danny Jones?

  You need customers.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  That balance hap- yeah, exactly.

• 37:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you don't want to kill your customers.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Exactly. So I, I'd be willing to bet that it would mutate pretty quickly to kind of restore the natural order, but, I mean, who knows?

• 37:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's very interesting. You know, and another thing she wrote about in that book was like, so, like, they create these chimera viruses to where, what they wanted, like, what they were doing with this bubonic plague, they turned it into a pneumonic plague, to where it was like a pneumonia plague, and it gave like, so, you got the symptoms of the bubonic plague, but you got this, all these other pneumonic symptoms. So, like, if you're going to get it treated, the, your symptoms are so broad, you, they can't figure out what the problem is. And, uh, yeah, essentially, like, the, the point of her book, like, she went through all, like, the war games that the United States has been through, in case this does happen, and basically, it, it leads to, it leads to, like, full-on people in the streets,

• 37:53Danny Jones?

  like, everything being burned down, the country is gone, within 72 hours. It's just complete anarchy. And I think that's, that's, I mean, that's, the fact that, you know, people are working on this stuff in labs all across the world is frightening. And the cartels have them, and, you know...

• 38:11Speaker 03

  I mean, the fact that nothing is really happening much on that front is also a sign that it's either very challenging, they're not, you know, mobilizing it for a variety of reasons, there's, you know, different ways you could think about it, but something interesting about viruses too, um, outside of the fact that some people don't think they exist, um, which I won't get into.

• 38:31Danny Jones?

  That's funny. Sam Tripoli doesn't believe, he thinks viruses are fake. He also thinks nukes are fake.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's kind of, I, I truly believe that we are, we have a vast misunderstanding of what viruses are. I kind of personally see them as nature's way to bite back against us breaking nature's laws. For example, any sort of virulence is really an urban problem. So essentially, when you pack too many people, like, the plague, for example, when you pack too many people into close quarters, and somebody gets infected, like, and then they're infecting other people, the a- actual titers, like, the amount of virus total is super high, so the concentration's really high, which is increasing the likelihood of infection, and potentially the severity of infection as well, versus if we look at more rural cul- cultures, they're not really impacted very much by these issues.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Like, for example, when Jack went down to the Amazon, he was in Suriname, and he was, you know, talking to some of the tribespeople down there, and they had some, like, kind of herbal remedies that they were using to help with certain infections, but like, none of them took the, the jabs, and like, they were perfectly fine. They weren't affected also because they're living in an environment that's conducive to health and immune health, in particular, but I think when we look at these urban environments, that's when, you know, we have this conversation of like, oh, should, are vaccines good or bad? Like, what context, uh, is there any context or like nuance there? If you want to live in an urban environment and live like a modern human lifestyle, I would say you should probably just follow the centralized model, because if you're

• 40:03Speaker 03

  going to break all the rules, you kind of have to take these things in order to offset your risk of living in this way that is not natural, it's not...

• 40:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  Normal.

• 40:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Um, there's a lot of, you know, health risks that come with living in urban environments, regards to air pollution and infectious disease, and obviously, you know, lack of grounding, high EMF, you know, usually poor sun exposure, more indoor lifestyles, um, the constant, like, noise and like the, um, kind of audio stress that comes with that, like, that's something that we don't really think about, but...

• 40:37Danny Jones?

  Some people love the sound of traffic and car horns.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  It's like dysregulated people. They like constantly want stimulus, like ADD people.

• 40:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like, people like Gary Vee, he talks about that, you know who he is? He's like the entrepreneur guy.

• 40:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know, I'm all...

• 40:50Danny Jones?

  Like, I love it.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  I mean, hey...

• 40:53Danny Jones?

  Sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell. Sell, buy, sell, buy, sell.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it kind of goes along with his brand, too. Uh, makes sense that he would like that, but I think as human beings, we're wired for certain inputs. And it's easy if you're raised in a certain environment to like, we were talking about in the beginning of this conversation, to kind of become desensitized to a variety of inputs that would normally make anybody feel ill, but just because you're in these environments, it's literally breaking down like receptors, for example, that would would cause you to have a negative response to something like, for example, um, we have a light receptor called melanopsin that's looking for blue light on our skin, on our eyes and our brains and our cardiovascular systems and our fat tissue, et cetera. But when you're exposed to a lot of artificial blue light and non-native EMF, these receptors actually begin to break down.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  So you become less sensitive to the blue light because you're kind of being blasted with it all the time. So if you constantly live in that environment, you're not going to necessarily feel the effects of those frequencies on your body versus somebody who, let's say, works on a farm or something, or like spends a lot of their time outside. And then they go into an environment that's super enriched in artificial light. They are going to feel probably pretty bad. And the really cool thing that I noticed about, um, kind of adopting a more nature oriented lifestyle back in 2023, it literally took a few days for me to feel this difference is when I started blocking blue light at night and getting sun during the day and spending my time outside, you know, working on my laptop outside, just being out there more. When I would try to sit down in front of a TV, for example, I would be like blinded by it.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  I'm like, I need to turn the brightness all the way down or like put on blue blockers or something because I actually built back that sensitivity to the light frequencies. And I think that's just one example, but there's lots of different ways that our bodies are taking stock of the environment. And if we're constantly blasting those receptors of various sorts with that signal, it begins to break down and you kind of become numb to it. And you can't really see the impact of those inputs unless you reset your, your biology by kind of returning to natural inputs. And then going back and you'll be like,

• 42:56Danny Jones?

  Then you'll realize.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Then you'll realize. Yeah, exactly.

• 42:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you gotta step out of it for a little bit to, to figure that out. That happens to me, any new thing I ever tried, like any new workout, any new diet, you name it, any supplement, like you start taking it for a while and you forget, like, I don't remember why I started taking this.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 43:13Danny Jones?

  You're like this shit, like this kratom stuff. Like I loved it when I started drinking it. I drank it for years. Every single, and then eventually it was like every day I needed one. I'm like, this is amazing. And on days I don't drink it, I'm like, I could really use one. It's when you start to realize like, okay, you gotta take a fucking break. Stop drinking it for a month.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 43:31Danny Jones?

  Then maybe try another one, see how you feel, whatever, like.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  For some people, especially if you're, I mean, we could talk about a variety of different reasons that some people are more prone to like creating a habit around anything. But some people definitely have that like stickiness where it's like, that's the thing that gives me the dopamine that I'm looking for. And then you just keep going back to it because it's reliable in that way. And it's, it can.

• 43:52Danny Jones?

  Or they replace it.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 43:54Danny Jones?

  You just replace it with something else.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Absolutely.

• 43:56Danny Jones?

  Doesn't have to be any better or worse, but it always gets replaced one way or another.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Well, that's what I think is like one of the hallmarks of modern humans is like at least one vice, but it's typically like three to five vices, I would say.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  And it's literally because this is also Alan Fry's work. He showed that non-native EMFs degrade the dopaminergic system. So you're constantly looking for the hit of dopamine that you otherwise would have gotten from nature, like we talked about, I think in our last podcast, when you're outside in UV light, it makes endorphins in your brain, which are opioids that stimulate the same receptors that kratom does and all the other opioid drugs that people like. Absolutely. Beta endorphin is one of the cleavage products of palm C, proopiomelanocortin, which is produced in the brain and in the skin via UVB light exposure. So then it's going into the bloodstream, it can be cleaved into a bunch of things. One is beta endorphin, which is an endogenous opioid molecule, um, that stimulates dopamine production and release in the brain that makes you feel really good.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  Uh, and it also improves critical thinking, modulates immune function positively, has lots of other functions as well, um, that are super interesting, but we're really meant to be receiving that all day long if we were spending time outside, but nobody is. And everybody's completely deficient in UV and near infrared light as well, just because of window glass and the modern LED lighting and fluorescent lighting.

• 45:14Danny Jones?

  So all day outside, you have to be out there all day.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  I mean, at least take light breaks.

• 45:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  I personally like to spend all my days outside when I can, at least weather permitting.

• 45:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, even small breaks will make a huge difference.

• 45:27Danny Jones?

  I wonder if we stopped spending so much time outside, spending more time inside, if the body, if the body would evolve to, uh,

• 45:35Danny Jones?

  adapt to that, you know?

• 45:36Speaker 03

  I mean, autism might be that.

• 45:38Danny Jones?

  I mean, go back in history, like where people in the middle ages, I mean, maybe, yeah, they were probably outside more because they worked outside more.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:48Danny Jones?

  But like, it probably wasn't a huge difference. People probably were still inside a shitload, you know?

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were. They still were. Also.

• 45:54Danny Jones?

  Kings and queens sat in the castle all day long.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  Well, I was gonna say, like, one of the great kind of examples of this is looking at, um, Egyptian royalty versus like the common man who would be working in the fields and outdoors. And if you look at like the skeletal remains of like mummies of royalty versus the common people.

• 46:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  The commoners had like these beautiful defined jaws, like wide palate, like they died of kind of maybe blunt traumas or maybe infections, things like that.

• 46:22Danny Jones?

  Famine.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Famine, perhaps. Yeah. But the people indoors, the, the royalty, they had these narrow palates, like they had crowding in their teeth. They had issues like cardiovascular disease. These are hallmarks of living in indoor lifestyle.

• 46:35Danny Jones?

  Also more inbred.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  That's true, too.

• 46:37Danny Jones?

  What was the guy, remember who was showing us that, uh, deformity of the, it wasn't even a deformity. He was showing us the, the, um, the royalty. Oh, that was Gary Wayne was showing us that. Uh, the, those royal folks, how their skeletons, their facial structure was crazy.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  Was that in Northern Europe?

• 46:57Danny Jones?

  I don't remember.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  Cause I know there's a lot of inbreeding in Northern Europe royalty, for sure.

• 47:01Danny Jones?

  This was specifically like a.

• 47:03Speaker 05

  I think it was the Paris, maybe one of the Louis.

• 47:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. It was French royalty. And there was a specific medical term for this, for this, whatever you call it. Like for when this happened to people, there was a specific.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Deformity.

• 47:20Danny Jones?

  Deformity, yeah.

• 47:22Danny Jones?

  And they were saying that, uh, for some reason it like shortened their lifespan and it made them look weird. But we were looking at it. They look like they have.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  Habsburg jaw.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  The Habsburg, of course. Yes.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 47:37Danny Jones?

  Yes, they just got big ass jaws.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Like a Chad Joe.

• 47:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right? They're like looks maxing.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Look at that nose, though.

• 47:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the nose is wild.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 47:50Danny Jones?

  Didn't they have skeletons, uh, like skeletal remains of this?

• 47:53Speaker 03

  Oh, I see the jaw, the jaw is also like retrograde. It's like pushed in. Looks like an overbite.

• 48:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, look at that. Look at a big, pointy jaw.

• 48:05Speaker 05

  Like, I always thought.

• 48:06Danny Jones?

  Far left with that, with that golden wig.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  I always thought this was like bad painting.

• 48:11Speaker 03

  Well, you know what's crazy? Like you would think they would make them look attractive in the painting and like lie, but they didn't, I guess.

• 48:19Danny Jones?

  Could you imagine seeing a person that actually looked like that in real life?

• 48:22Speaker 03

  Maybe they wear it like a badge of honor. They're like, oh, must be good looking if it's royalty. Gaslighting everybody in the country.

• 48:31Danny Jones?

  Deformed you are, the more wealthy you are, the more powerful you are. I mean, it kind of translates to today a little bit.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would say so.

• 48:42Danny Jones?

  Uh, that's crazy.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  But yeah, a lot of times those like outward deformities are just signs of, for example, like connective tissue disorders. So it does affect like a lot of the deep organ systems as well. Um, it's like, you know, reflected at the high level, but it's also at the micro level. There's a lot of issues.

• 48:58Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:59Danny Jones?

  What was his, uh, on Angen, um, of daylight was telling me, he thinks that we're all gonna look like little gray aliens one day with the big eyes and the skinny bodies and white skin because of technology and the development, way technology's going and.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  So here's the problem. Fertility is like going to zero essentially.

• 49:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  You can't have evolution and like an adaptive evolution without reproduction. So I just don't know if it's possible unless we literally figured out like the in vitro.

• 49:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we will. Of course we will.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 49:34Danny Jones?

  We won't need sexual organs anymore.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Maybe. Or society might be destroyed before then. I don't know.

• 49:38Danny Jones?

  babies. We're already doing CRISPR, right?

• 49:41Speaker 03

  I don't think it's allowed in humans, but apparently they tried in China.

• 49:45Danny Jones?

  It's not allowed, but I'm sure they're still doing, I mean, Epstein was doing it.

• 49:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was definitely talking about it.

• 49:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  I don't know what all got done, but it's interesting. I just think, um, I don't underestimate nature's ability to restore equilibrium. Let's just say that.

• 50:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  It could take us out anytime, really.

• 50:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's, holy shit.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 50:09Danny Jones?

  That's fertility rates over how long? Eighteen hundreds until 2020? What is that big spike? 1960? Is that the summer of love?

• 50:16Speaker 03

  It's, yeah, I was gonna say, like, post-war.

• 50:20Danny Jones?

  Wow, went all the way up to 3.5 in 1960.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 50:25Danny Jones?

  That is bonkers.

• 50:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was like the psychedelic age. That's when everyone was, you know, anti-war, LSD, all that stuff.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 50:38Danny Jones?

  The counterculture. And now psychedelics are like getting bought up by the pharmaceutical companies and like this turned into this billion-dollar industry.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  Well, they wanna like change the molecular structure slightly so that you don't experience the psychedelic effects, but you get the other benefits like neurogenesis and like cognitive benefits.

• 50:57Danny Jones?

  Well, not only that, I mean DARPA is doing that with, um, with the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. They're trying to figure out how to do that for soldiers so they can get them off the battlefield, get them right back on the battlefield.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 51:07Danny Jones?

  You know, like get rid of their trauma, get back out there. But, um, they're also doing this stuff with, um, uh, I guess Trump fast-tracked the approval for like Ibogaine for treatment and all that. And there was like all these companies that were already positioned, like ready to make the financial moves before that was fast-tracked to like set their patents and like make so much money and like buy these companies. There was, I don't understand the financial world, but basically there was, you know, everything was already in place before he like made that public announcement. So, uh, like Eli Lilly, I think, was the one that purchased a company.

• 51:52Danny Jones?

  And, uh, I sent you a link to this, Steve. And there was like, I think it was in the trillions of dollars that is gonna be made off this. They're just gonna turn this into this crazy, crazy, crazy product.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  So it's like a synthetic or like slightly modified version of the actives in Ibogaine?

• 52:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they wanna push Ibogaine through and these companies are basically trying to lock down the patents for it, if I understand correctly. President Trump recently praised Eli Lilly at the public event and called it a great company and highlighted its planned $3.5 billion investment for manufacturing plant in Pennsylvania.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Oh, great.

• 52:27Danny Jones?

  Right. But, yeah, no, it's crazy how pharmaceutical companies are, you know, just positioned to make a killing off of psychedelics.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Well, I wonder, there could be a bit of backlash, I guess, if the molecules still maintain some of their psychedelic properties. I feel like, actually Chanel, my friend, and I were just having this conversation about how when you take a psychedelic, it really opens up your mind to like what's possible and how little we understand. And I feel like that's kind of the humbling experience that a lot of modern humans need to kind of just, just restore some baseline humility and like how little we actually understand and how little we actually control. That would actually be a good thing. So if, I think psychedelics made their rounds for that. Yeah, obviously in some people you would get psychosis and

• 53:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  other issues, but for the vast majority, I think it would just be like very eye-opening.

• 53:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:23Speaker 05

  We should give that to world leaders.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  I was just gonna say.

• 53:26Speaker 05

  Decisions.

• 53:26Danny Jones?

  I don't think so. I don't think it would make, um, all the psychedelic people, experts that I've talked to, they say psychedelics make you more of what you already are. They, they, they bring out sort of the inner psyche even more, like your deepest beliefs, like the deepest parts of you.

• 53:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:42Danny Jones?

  There was this crazy study that was done, um, at Johns Hopkins, the study on psychedelic leaders where they gave them all psilocybin, leaders of different religions.

• 53:52Danny Jones?

  And they documented their experience to see if they're

• 53:54Speaker 03

  I remember this.

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  The hypothesis was to see if there was like a common core to all religions. And so they gave, uh, all these different psychedelics, all these different religious leaders psilocybin and they documented what happened. And they all had amplified experience based on their religious beliefs. No connection between any of them. So, um, yeah, there's a lot of people that believe it's just like a placebo that amplifies what's already there.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  Well, so I could make the argument that in all power-hungry world leaders, let's say, the underlying current is like fear. Cause anybody who wants to control something or control people, it's like ultimately a fear thing. Like they're afraid of losing control, they're afraid of death or something like this. So they could have actually a very negative, powerful, like bad trip perhaps if they took like a high dose psilocybin or LSD or something.

• 54:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  Which could scare them straight, honestly. I don't know.

• 54:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you're right about the fear of death thing. There's, there's a guy who actually wrote a book about this called The Worm at the Core. Sheldon Solomon, I believe his name is.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  Yep, yep.

• 54:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and they did a study on people to figure out what motivates humans the most and it's fear of death.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  Yep. I was just talking about this, um, with my partner, which is that if we look at like the whole transhumanist movement, that's, it's literally just, it's all fear-based, right?

• 55:11Danny Jones?

  The richest people, I mean, except for, you know, Warren Buffett maybe, are just terrified of death.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 55:18Danny Jones?

  And if you read those Epstein files and you read like Peter Thiel's emails when he was sending the lists to the assistant of like what he needed for lunch that day or whatever, the list is insane of like what he will and will not eat.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, it makes sense because they can't take any of their worldly treasures with them when they die.

• 55:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:36Speaker 03

  So they just wanna stick around as long as possible.

• 55:38Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:40Danny Jones?

  Such a Christian thing.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  Kind of.

• 55:42Danny Jones?

  To not wanna die.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Oh, I guess so. Yeah, I didn't think about it that way.

• 55:46Danny Jones?

  Live forever. By the way, we're opening up a church and we're gonna teach you all about the Antichrist.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  We're in the church.

• 55:52Danny Jones?

  Yes, we are. Well, we're in the synagogue of Satan right now.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, um, I mean, all religions offer some sort of perspective on what happens to you when you die. It's kind of like a hallmark of a religion in general.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  And they all have the common thread of like, you don't just poof disappear, there's some aspect of you that lives on.

• 56:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  So I think humans need that, actually. And when they don't have that, they cling to things that don't deserve to be worshipped in that way, like politics.

• 56:21Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 56:22Speaker 03

  Anything like, like that you see Dogman.

• 56:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  It's like misplaced, it's like misplacing those neural circuits onto something that doesn't deserve that.

• 56:29Danny Jones?

  I think we find it. Like I think it's just a natural thing that the human mind, uh, is drawn to.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 56:34Danny Jones?

  It's like, it helps us, it definitely relieves stress, you know, cause it's like, obviously like thinking, worrying about what's gonna happen after you die is like super stressful and like, you know, worrying about like, is everything happening for a reason? Is there a free will? Am I really creating my own destiny? Or is this all God's plan, right? There's a huge element of that. And it's like, you know, I think that they, like, it's, the human mind is designed to like embrace religion or God or something like that. But like the psychedelic thing, the, that's my problem with the whole psychedelic thing is people start to make that shit a religion.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:10Danny Jones?

  They start to make it, this is the fucking answer to everything, right? This is gonna fix the church.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:15Danny Jones?

  There's people that wanna do that. There's people that wanna introduce psychedelics into the, into the Catholic church to revive Christianity. And they think that that's gonna be the answer. That's gonna bring back the ancient mysteries, right? So you're gonna give, so the, my problem with that is you're giving this one guy who is the direct line to God, who is in control of his congregation of people that attend his church, you're gonna allow him to dope up all his people with psychedelics who've never done psychedelics before? And now he's suddenly like, that's, that's the recipe for disaster.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  It could be a cult real quick.

• 57:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. You got Heaven's Gate.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, it could go bad for sure. Also with like the power dynamics in general, like set and setting is the most important things when it comes to psychedelics, right?

• 57:57Danny Jones?

  And then you also have these people who get this like Messiah complex. They get this messianic complex where they talk to you like you're their child.

• 58:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:03Danny Jones?

  And look, I have all the answers.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  I know, I hate that.

• 58:07Danny Jones?

  You haven't done five MEO 100,000 times like me, Alexis. I've seen it. I know it. You have to do it this way.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was actually this character online, I actually, I don't remember his name, Leo something. And I remember he did this thing where he basically took five MEO every day for like 30 days. And when he came back afterwards, he was like wearing white and like acting like he was gone. And I'm like, oh no, this is so cringe.

• 58:38Danny Jones?

  It's crazy. People are fucking wacky. There's people that just weren't meant to do that stuff.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  Totally. And I mean, we're here, we're meant to be having an embodied experience. It can be cool to have these really like heady type of. You know, experiences in life as well, but I think it can be very destabilizing and ungrounding. And if you're doing it in the wrong context and like without the right environment to cultivate health, for example, a lot of times these things will like point out what's wrong in your life or in your body.

• 59:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  For you to focus on, which could be a positive motivator, but it could also, you know, lead to a spiral or whatever else, depending on how motivated somebody is to actually change.

• 59:11Danny Jones?

  Right, right. As long as you have some sort of like, you know, plan for it and you're not just hap- haphazardly doing it to kill time or just to, because you're bored or.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  It should be like a ritual, like something that's sacred. It should be treated like that.

• 59:22Danny Jones?

  Totally. And I just worry about like, what's gonna happen when it becomes like super commercialized by pharmaceutical companies and they start prescribing it to people and, you know, I don't know how it's gonna work with insurance companies, but I'm sure it's not gonna be cheap. They're probably gonna charge thousands of dollars for this Ibogaine treatment. And Ibogaine, why Ibogaine too? Because Ibogaine is one of the, like, one of the psychedelics that actually people die from, from cardiac shit. Like, they have heart problems when they take Ibogaine. No one's ever died from DMT, to my knowledge.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  Well, I think the remission rates for addiction in particular and PTSD are like exceptional with Ibogaine. And apparently it's because it's such a negative, it basically makes you confront everything that like you're avoiding in your life and all of the kind of dark corners of your mind. And you're confronted with that and it's like, oh shit, I gotta, you know, shape up or I'm gonna die basically, or this is gonna happen, I'm gonna live with regret or whatever else, burn in hell or whatever it is. And that was like a very strong motivating force to change afterwards.

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• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  So I've taken DMT. I've never blasted off on it, though. I, I would do it. I'm actually, I'm really curious about the research that's being done with like the laser. Have you heard about it?

• 1:01:33Danny Jones?

  I've done it.

• 1:01:34Speaker 03

  Did you, did you see the code?

• 1:01:35Danny Jones?

  Many times.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  You saw the code?

• 1:01:40Danny Jones?

  What did you see, Danny?

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Tell me.

• 1:01:43Danny Jones?

  The last time I did it, completely blasted off, shone the laser, and the first time I looked at it, I saw like, it took me a while, but I could see like Sanskrit type text. That wasn't like the code that he explained. It looked more like Sanskrit, like Lord of the Rings type stuff that's on the ring. And then I came down from it, did it again about 15 minutes later, and I saw billions of dicks. I shit you not.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Was it DMT or I'm making fun of you?

• 1:02:15Danny Jones?

  Billions and billions of dicks in red laser form, like flying through.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  That sounds like the Jokers. We're like playing with you.

• 1:02:22Danny Jones?

  That's what I thought, too.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  That's hilarious. I actually had a really cool experience with my partner where we were, we took MDMA and then we smoked cannabis. And I don't know if you've ever combined them, but it's very psychedelic when you combine them. Like, it's the most euphoric combination in the world. And we both had this same close-eyed visuals at the same time, which looked like Aramaic Hebrew or something, like just scrolling across our visual field. We were both having this experience at the same time and I was curious because it sounded just like the characters that, is his name Danny Gohler?

• 1:02:53Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, he described with like the laser beam. So I'm like, oh shit, did we see like the same code? It's pretty cool.

• 1:02:59Danny Jones?

  A lot of people allegedly see that, that code. It's very, very strange. But um, yeah, I don't know what it is.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Wait, do you know?

• 1:03:07Danny Jones?

  I don't know if I believe it's the Matrix.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Can you look up from Adam to Cosmos? I'm trying to remember the guy's name. He was a researcher, like a physicist. He and his wife were researchers, like a couple decades ago, I want to say. And he, let's see if we can find it.

• 1:03:22Danny Jones?

  From Adam to Cosmos?

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Oh, Atom, A-T-O-M, sorry. My bad.

• 1:03:28Danny Jones?

  A-T-O-A.

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  OM, OM. It's Etsok, that's it.

• 1:03:30Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  It's Etsok. Yeah, so he actually.

• 1:03:33Danny Jones?

  I've read his book.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Basically described like the Hebrew characters as being kind of like these, kind of like archetypal.

• 1:03:39Danny Jones?

  He was Mossad.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  He was Mossad?

• 1:03:42Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Shut up.

• 1:03:43Danny Jones?

  I swear to God. Yes, he was Mossad.

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  Wow, okay. I mean, maybe a bit biased then.

• 1:03:51Danny Jones?

  Maybe a touch.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  That's hilarious.

• 1:03:53Danny Jones?

  But he was a very smart.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  But he got killed. He suicided him.

• 1:03:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, in a plane crash.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Plane crash, yeah. And his wife ended up taking over.

• 1:03:58Danny Jones?

  Very, very smart guy. His book's incredible. I think he's definitely, he was definitely on to something with his research.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  I think so, too. But anyway, it made me think of the same thing with the lasers and like what we saw, because it kind of looked like Hebrew. It genuinely did.

• 1:04:11Danny Jones?

  So what specifically was he saying about the lasers?

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Oh, well, like Danny was saying that the.

• 1:04:15Danny Jones?

  It was the same thing?

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  It was the same characters. Like, it looks like Hebrew slash Aramaic. Yeah, that's what he said.

• 1:04:21Danny Jones?

  Can you find a clip? Is this on video? Or is this all, is this written down in text?

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  No, it was on his podcast with, who was it? Hmm, it was a recent podcast.

• 1:04:30Danny Jones?

  On Danny's podcast?

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  No, Danny was on a podcast.

• 1:04:33Danny Jones?

  And he was talking about Etsok, Etsok, Etsok.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  He was just talking about the characters that people were seeing with the laser beam during DMT.

• 1:04:39Danny Jones?

  I'm saying, how did you make the connection to Etsok, though?

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  Oh, with the characters. It looks like Hebrew. Like, genuinely looks like Hebrew. So I thought maybe that he's on to something, actually. Maybe he's not actually biased. Maybe it's legit.

• 1:04:48Danny Jones?

  Right, but Etsok talked about this specifically in a book or something?

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  He, he talks about it in that video.

• 1:04:53Danny Jones?

  In that video?

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, from Adam to Cosmos. It's a great video, by the way, too.

• 1:04:56Danny Jones?

  Okay, find the clip in that video.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Danny Jones?

  I would be curious to seeing that.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you can find it. It's, I think it's pretty long. It's like an hour, but if it's easy to find, then.

• 1:05:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he's fascinating. His whole thing is about, his book's called Stalking the Wild Pendulum. Very complicated book. Like, I had to listen to it on, most people listen to books on like 2X speed. I listened to that on point five speed.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  Yes, I can relate.

• 1:05:22Danny Jones?

  But like, yeah, he talks about how everything's like a vibration, like, everything's on different vibrations and like everything's a pendulum. And like, when something, when, when the pendulum is swinging, it's like in a, in a state you can measure. But when it's like, when the pendulum goes up before it falls, something.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  It's like divide, dividing by zero, basically. You can't do it. When it's at the center and at each end, I think, basically is like this undefined function.

• 1:05:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Danny Jones?

  Right. And he talks a lot about light and stuff like that, too. It's very, very complicated and interesting.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  Well, it's pretty cool, though. Like, I don't know if you've been up on Dr. Cruz's work lately, but.

• 1:05:59Danny Jones?

  I read one of his, in preparing for this, I did read one of his Patreon posts, but I haven't been seeing, I haven't been listening to anything.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  Because in his conversations lately, it's like, everything is coming back to frequency, vibration, like resonance, like at a physical level, like an anatomical level even. He's been talking about these vortices in the body that form in the brain and the heart. And that essentially, this is a way for the body to separate deuterium from proteium, deuterium being like the heavy form of hydrogen, that essentially gunks up the mitochondrial engines. So it needs to be kept away from the cells and the mitochondria, ideally in a healthy body. And that these, there's a vortex essentially at the heart. The heart serves as like, not simply just a pump and maybe not even a pump at all. You could actually make the argument that the blood vessels are like, actually creating, they're smooth muscle, right? So they could be pushing things along. You could actually make the argument

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  that the heart's actually slowing blood down, like it's collecting it and slowing it down, the flow of blood.

• 1:06:57Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  There's also some electrostatic interactions. So the surface charge of the blood cells, the red blood cells, is repelled from the glycocalyx, which is like a, kind of like a mucus membrane slash a charged water that lines all the blood vessels, so that that electrostatic charge keeps things moving and like repelling. But the vortex within the heart, essentially the blood gets spinned. And in the brain as well, he talks about essentially like very fine structures within the, within the skeletal structure of the skull, Meckel's Cave being one, for example, that essentially helps to create this vortex that then can separate the heavy deuterium from the proteium. And that's actually how,

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  if you look at like nuclear, nuclear programs, they need heavy water, they need D2O, deuterium oxide, in order to run their nuclear reactions. And so, how do they do that? They use giant centrifuges. Spin the water and you can actually separate those.

• 1:07:56Danny Jones?

  Of deuterium water.

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can take regular water and use a centrifuge to basically partition out the heavy water from the light water.

• 1:08:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  So essentially, Jack's argument, hopefully I'm not misrepresenting it, he might kill me if I'm, if I am, but I'm pretty sure I got this, is that the vortex essentially can help to do a very similar thing. And that helps the proteium to reach into the cells where the proteium containing water, I should say, to get into the cells and actually support mitochondrial function, because they need the light hydrogen in order to have the mitochondria run the electron transport chain, versus the deuterium, if it gets in there, it doesn't allow that process to happen. So it essentially slows and gunks up the engines. So I don't remember why I started talking about that, but it's very interesting. The vibration and like the resonance. So basically, Jack is saying that if you're

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  like standing on a vibration plate, or you're moving or walking, or like chanting or singing or stimulating your vagus nerve, like with the little, there's like a little electrodes you can put in your ears or on your neck that stimulate the vagus nerve, gargling as well, like initiating the gag reflex, all of these things helped. Yeah. Anyway, take that up with Jack. He said also the pool jets, so like you can stand by the pool jets and like make it hit your back. So like all these different things.

• 1:09:13Danny Jones?

  Okay, I don't want to know what the fuck Jack's getting into down there in El Salvador, the gag reflex and the pool jets. Got something to tell us, buddy?

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, but basically, these are all ways to vibrate your system and get that vortex going and helping this process along. And they're things that naturally people would do anyway, if they're like moving their bodies. If they're in nature, obviously, like sunlight helps to generate that charged separated water that helps with flow and flux and UVA light stimulates nitric oxide production, which helps with flow and flux as well. So it's kind of like the synergistic effect that you would naturally get if you were living a more, a lifestyle more conducive to health. But if you're an indoor person sitting inside all day under artificial light, not really moving, eating garbage food that's laden with deuterium and seed oils that are also high in deuterium, then you're, it's creating this perfect storm essentially to break that system.

• 1:10:07Danny Jones?

  We're talking about bent off.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. And like vibration resonance and stuff like that.

• 1:10:14Danny Jones?

  What he specifically talks about, like, have you seen his bell curve thing that he did? He talks about this like bell curve of human intellect, I think it was, or human consciousness, maybe. And he says that like, at the front of the bell curve on the bottom, before it starts going up, it's like you have people with lower vibration, like lower consciousness. And then, like, the bell starts to go up to like a peak, and then you have like, the majority of society that's like in this like mid-range of vibration, frequency, consciousness, or whatever. And when

• 1:10:55Danny Jones?

  you get to like the far bell curve, he's like, you have people with like, very, very extremely high consciousness, high vibration, lots of energy. And he asked the interviewer, he's like, so the people on this very far into the bell curve, where do you think they are? Like in society? He goes, oh, they must be in the universities. They must be, you know, in the, in the scientific labs and all this stuff. And he goes, no, he goes, they're in the mental hospitals.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  Yes, I remember actually hearing him talk about how like schizophrenics, for example, like they're actually operating at this higher level, but just not conducive to society.

• 1:11:33Danny Jones?

  Exactly. Where they're just connecting so many dots all the time, and they're hyper rational, always processing things on like a rapid pace, and people just think they're crazy. And I always found that very interesting with him.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  That is very interesting.

• 1:11:51Danny Jones?

  And, you know, that guy was just really on to something. And, you know, he was also one of the people that was like pioneering this whole idea that there's more to physics than like hard dead matter than electrons, neutrons, and protons. He's like, there's more to it than like reduction science, reduction, reductionist science. There's something else out there that we don't really understand. It's not like something about, there's something about like the human experience and human consciousness that's not weighable, that's not measurable. You can't, you can't break it down into, into atoms. So.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  I mean, when you think about all of the tools that we use in science, they're all just extensions of our five senses. So that means you're only detecting things and, you know, perceiving things that would be perceivable by the five senses if they had that extension of ability. But if it's outside of that, then we're still not detecting it. So it's, it's really like kind of the unknown unknowns quadrant of, you know, that classic thing.

• 1:12:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:53Speaker 03

  That we don't even know how to develop technology that could help us answer that question because it's outside the scope of our even experience of reality. So I think we talked about like humility earlier and like the role of psychedelics and maybe making you realize how little you understand. And actually, if we think about frequency as it relates to how our minds function and our brains function, and let's say that we consider the brain as like an antenna, and if you take a certain psychedelic, then maybe widens the window of perception, like, for example, in the same way you tune a radio station to a certain station, you could tune it to a different one and get a different signal. I think it's kind of a similar thing with psychedelics or any substances really that are like changing the way that you're perceiving reality, is that you're like basically changing

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  the window of perception, either like, either shifting it or widening it. And it's allowing you to perceive things that are actually real, but they're just not in the slice of reality that you're typically accustomed to.

• 1:13:45Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah, I think you're right about that. Yeah. And, you know, at the very least, it can just get you off the like normal everyday vibration that you're on, like the typical way you look at life, you know, through a certain lens. It just puts everything in a different perspective, a different lens, makes you sometimes, depending on who you are, it can make you realize what's more important or what's a waste of time. It's a tool. It's a tool at some level and, you know, extreme levels, it can be like a complete, you know, reality shift for some people.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I genuinely think that we don't necessarily need psychedelics, but my experience going to El Salvador, for example, like the entire time I was there, I kind of felt like I was on Molly or something. Like, I literally just felt amazing. And I'm like, oh crap, like, I'm literally supposed to feel like this all the time. And then I don't feel like reaching for substance A, B, or C, because I'm already feeling amazing.

• 1:14:31Danny Jones?

  Just because you were out of New Jersey.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, yeah, there's something specific about El Salvador. There's also something specific about being out of the States and like somewhere more equatorial, for example, more supportive to, you know, health.

• 1:14:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  That just makes you realize that humans were kind of meant to feel good.

• 1:14:48Danny Jones?

  Hmm. One of the craziest things you told me that never left me last time was how people that live in the equatorial latitudes have dark eyes and dark skin, because they get so much sun, they need to, they don't need to have white pasty skin to absorb all that light. And the people at the northern latitudes, they have lighter colored eyes, they have whiter skin, because they need to absorb more sunlight to be healthy. That just blew my mind and makes so much sense.

• 1:15:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, there's even like another level to that story, which is that a lot of people in the mainstream, they consider melanin to be something that is protecting from UV light. I would totally flip the script on that. And I would say melanin's not protecting against UV light, it's harnessing it. And if we look at the work of Dr. Arturo Solis Herrera, for example, he's showing that essentially, when melanin absorbs high energy photons, i.e. UV light from the sun, that it actually can stimulate some form of a human photosynthetic process, like similar to when plants in the chloroplast absorb sunlight, the chlorophyll can basically facilitate water splitting and ultimately make free electrons to power energy production and starch production in plants. But that in humans, not, you know,

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  you can't necessarily supply all of your energy from the sun, but for people who are very deeply melanated, super dark skin, and they're in the correct environment, like near the equator, and also maybe at high altitude as well. If we look at the parts of the world where we see that, it's like in Kenya, it's both high altitude and equatorial latitude. So it's UV is like off the charts. That that melanin is actually soaking in those UV photons and using it productively to help power their bodies. It's not just protection. I feel like the whole protection perspective is more of like a Northern European propaganda type of situation, because melanin in general is just demonized, and it always has been. And even in Latin culture today, like you'll see, I literally have a friend

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  whose grandma was like, oh, stop tanning, like, you're gonna look poor. Because they associate darker skin with lower class. And it's like all of this colonialist programming that came with them being.

• 1:16:50Danny Jones?

  Stop breeding outside the gene pool. You're gonna look poor.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Basically. Because they're used to these basically Northern Europeans coming down, you know, with the imperialist pursuits and then kind of imposing their culture upon them. And that's stuck. And that programming kind of runs really deep. But melanin is very, very powerful, and it's doing things we can barely grasp, honestly.

• 1:17:08Danny Jones?

  How the hell did like mainstream medicine fuck it up so bad? Like, how is it, how is it possible that it's backwards when you go to your doctor? They tell you the opposite.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  I would say that it was, it's not even fucked up. It's intentional. Like, it's intentionally misleading.

• 1:17:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:30Speaker 03

  And I mean, Jack talks about this all the time with the Flexner report back in the day with like the, the Flexner report.

• 1:17:35Danny Jones?

  Flexner.

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, F L E X N E R. So Abraham Flexner wrote the report. He was funded by Andrew Carnegie, if I remember correctly. And essentially, he was tasked with helping to centralize the medical education system. So essentially, before that, there wasn't really standardization across medical education for doctors. It was kind of, you know, different depending on what school you went to. And there was also a lot of folk remedies, holistic medicine, like more traditional therapies that were used for basically all of human history. And so he went in and essentially said, like, none of this is evidence-based. We need to kind of reconfigure medical education. Of course, at the same time, we were in the

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  process of creating the modern pharmaceutical model as essentially a way to sell the byproducts of oil processing and manufacturing. So when you process crude oil, it creates all these byproducts that were waste. So they're like, gosh, how can I like make money off of this waste? Well, turns out you can make certain drugs, for example, aspirin, although like a similar molecule can be found naturally in white willow bark, aspirin was initially synthesized from this waste from oil production. And essentially, the, the point being that the roots of Big Pharma, going all the way back to this time period of like the early

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  1900s, like around 1920-ish, is rooted in the, essentially, the kind of marketing and repurposing of byproducts that, you know, essentially, they wanted to make money off of in some way. So they were like, how can we use this? Like, let's get to work. This is also rooted in like German culture as well, because German, Germany has always been big on chemistry and physics. Like, if we talk about the journal model, which I would really like to, as it relates to Robert Maxwell and everything like that. If you go back to the journals before he started the industrial journal complex, a lot of science was published in German because they were basically at the peak of their chemistry, physics, et cetera.

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  And that's because if we look at science, it's actually almost always rooted, like innovation in science is almost always rooted in war, and like motivations in wartime eras, essentially. And so.

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  Anyway, a lot of these journals were published in Germany and in Germany, they have a huge chemical manufacturing kind of culture, let's say. I actually worked at BASF for a period of time, which is a big German chemical company. And so essentially, between that German knowledge of chemistry and taking these oil byproducts, they were able to synthesize all these really, I guess, interesting molecules that could be repurposed in the context of human health. So it was like, kind of a win-win for them.

• 1:20:19Danny Jones?

  So they're figuring out a way to monetize shit. And they're saying, like, we're already making money here. We can scale our operation, make more money if we also monetize this byproduct of what we're already creating.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:20:35Danny Jones?

  Now, how does that work its way into medical school?

• 1:20:40Speaker 03

  Yes. So let me circle back to that. So this was part of Flexner's report of standardizing medical education. One of the main things that he did in his report was suggest that all folk remedies, holistic remedies, nature-based things were removed from medical education, and that the doctors were primarily being taught this new kind of pharmaceutical lens of like, using these synthetic drugs to treat people. And prior to this period of time, you often saw sunning decks on the roofs of hospitals, and you can find old pictures of that as well, where patients would get wheeled up to like bask in the sun to help facilitate their healing process.

• 1:21:12Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  Absolutely. It was like commonplace.

• 1:21:16Danny Jones?

  Wow. What, what time period was this?

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  So it would be like, pre 1920, you would see these. After the Flexner report, all of that was completely eliminated, you know, within hospitals. And the primary root of treatment became these like synthetic pharmaceutical drugs. And of course, from a capitalist perspective, it is, it's a great incentive to continue with that model, right? And so I think we kind of saw, we're seeing right now, essentially, the endpoint of how that plays out, like, people sicker than ever, you know, on paying more money for drugs every month than they do for food and other, you know, life sustaining things. And like, you know, just worse health in the history of our species. That's kind of the end game of this model.

• 1:21:59Danny Jones?

  How much of, like, for people that go all the way in like, their PhD and post-docs in science and stuff like this, in chemistry, or whatever it might be, how much of the money that is like granted to like, the labs and the studies and that comes from pharmaceutical companies, do you know?

• 1:22:21Speaker 03

  I couldn't tell you the percent, but I can say in my lab, we had multiple collaborations with Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies that were funding specific projects within the lab, that are kind of like, there's an incentive for both parties to do this research, whether it's like, maybe characterizing a new drug molecule and looking at its in vivo effects in animals, for example. There's a lot of cancer research that's being funded by pharmaceutical companies in particular, with like, small molecule drugs and antibodies and like immunotherapies, things like that.

• 1:22:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:52Speaker 03

  Most of the funding in like, your standard PhD and like, research environment is gonna be coming from the government. And this actually ties in the entire story about like, Robert Maxwell and the journal industrial complex. So maybe I'll, I would like to circle back to that first and build up to that, if that makes sense.

• 1:23:08Danny Jones?

  Like with Pergamon Press and all that?

• 1:23:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:23:13Danny Jones?

  Okay, explain that.

• 1:23:14Speaker 03

  Okay. So essentially, Robert Maxwell bought a publishing company, something, something Springer, I don't remember the name, and rebranded it as Pergamon Press in 1951. So Pergamon, which is interesting, it's like-

• 1:23:29Danny Jones?

  Throne of Satan.

• 1:23:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, Throne of Satan, which odd choice for the journal company's name, but whatever. Little sus. So essentially, if you think about the context of this, we're like, post-World War II, post-Manhattan Project, like, there is a lot of interest in science as an industry, because we saw essentially, the potential, like, catastrophic, but also success that could come from a siloed pursuit towards some sort of centralized research project. For example, in the Manhattan Project in particular, we had hundreds of scientists working on a common goal, but none of them were actually fully clued in on the, the actual, like, overall project.

• 1:24:12Danny Jones?

  The big picture.

• 1:24:12Speaker 03

  The big picture, exactly. So basically, what you can see from that and learn from that, is that you can set, you know, a bunch of minds on kind of niche projects, and then you can take that information-

• 1:24:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:24:23Speaker 03

  And use it to make something catastrophic, where none of them are really complicit in that, they're all just kind of doing their own little thing.

• 1:24:28Danny Jones?

  Keep them all in their little mazes, in their 2D boxes, and then you-

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:24:32Danny Jones?

  Have a high level view of everything, which happens today and everything.

• 1:24:35Speaker 03

  Yes. And it's kind of hijacking certain individuals' natural, like, scientific inclination, because, you know, scientists were just really interested in like, problem solving and like, getting to the bottom of things. And so you can kind of hijack that and, and generate data that can be used for very negative applications, let's say. And that's exactly, if we see that followed out, we can see today, like, science is super siloed. There are some interdisciplinary studies, but mostly, like, you know, you're kind of just working on your little chunk of reality and trying to understand it, and nobody's putting the pieces back together to paint a holistic, full picture of like, at a high level, what's

• 1:25:17Speaker 03

  going on here. And if we were to do that, we would probably see like, oh, like, we don't need all this fancy stuff, we can literally just reconnect with what the earth naturally gave us, and we're gonna be well. Also, this ties in with the whole pharmaceutical thing, because most of science today is translational, in that it's feeding into a human health application in some way. Because that's where all the money is, because everybody's sicker than ever, right? So it's like, we need all this research to understand why people are sick. And it's like, so blatantly obvious, but again, nobody's looking at the big picture, they're all just focused on like, the cancer, the diabetes, the neurodegeneration, they're like, hyper-focused and like, zoomed in. And they need to zoom out, so you can see how everything works together, and then it becomes obvious. But circling back to the

• 1:25:59Speaker 03

  journal model, essentially, what Maxwell did, was he realized that at this time period, after science has kind of become more siloed, and like, grant funding became more relevant from the government, to fund all these different kinds of science projects at different universities, that he could essentially create this specialized journal model, where it's like, oh, if you're doing work in, I don't know, vaccines, or you're doing work in immunology, that you can publish in this little niche journal, you can publish your results. This is also around the time where like, the systematized peer review process became a thing. So prior to this, basically, editors would be looking at the submissions and just kind of deciding

• 1:26:43Speaker 03

  themselves whether or not something deserved to be published. The systematized peer review process that kind of came as a result of this specialized journal model that Maxwell created, is a whole nother can of worms, that's an issue in science, because essentially, the peer reviewers, their motivations aren't purely just, is this good science-

• 1:27:01Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:27:02Speaker 03

  At all. It like, creates a lot of issues, because sometimes, your peer reviewer, let's say, may be working on, in a lab that's working on competing projects. And like, I've literally heard of examples where a peer reviewer sits on a paper, so they can publish theirs first, so they get the clout from that. And this is exactly what Maxwell created, was this publisher parish paradigm, where it's like, labs and, and researchers are incentivized to publish as much as possible, to get their name out there, and to like, build some, you know, basically, clout chasing, virtually. So that they can get more money, they can get more grants, and it creates this like capitalist cycle within science, which was never meant to be touched by capitalism, really. Like, science in its ultimate form

• 1:27:44Speaker 03

  is simply just to kind of curiously pursue the nature of reality. It shouldn't be for financial gain, because that actually tarnishes the process. Because if you create that kind of perverse incentive, it's going to incentivize you to get certain types of results as well. And of course, if you're going in with a bias, you can kind of see whatever you think you're going to see. And scientists are only human, right? So they're gonna carry that bias with them into experiments and into, you know, the analysis of their data, et cetera. So it creates this very vicious feed-forward cycle that's essentially broken science. You know, now, we're at the point where I don't remember the name of the researcher. But I believe he's at the University of Washington, and he essentially published a paper saying

• 1:28:25Speaker 03

  something like, 80% of papers published in the biological sciences are not reproducible in other labs. So essentially, other labs have trouble getting the same results.

• 1:28:38Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  And that could be because of technical reasons, it could be because, you know, technical issues in the initial experiments, it's kind of fraught with a whole bunch of different issues. But it just goes to show you that peer review is not really solving that problem of like, oh, are the results true? Because we have a rigorous peer review system now, and we see these issues present as much as ever, if not more. Um, versus peer review is also very much slowing down the process of scientific publishing, which means that if somebody has really breaking research, it's really hard to get it to reach the public in a timely manner.

• 1:29:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  That's why people like Kevin McKernan, they're publishing their results on Substack.

• 1:29:16Danny Jones?

  Just open source on the internet.

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  Open source immediately. So people can reference it right away and then can do their own experiments to like, you know, confirm, deny, or build upon that research. Like, that's how science is meant to be pursued. We're supposed to be talking to each other. We're supposed to be sharing results.

• 1:29:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  And it shouldn't be this like, very rigid and kind of cutthroat environment.

• 1:29:34Danny Jones?

  I have personal experience with that whole peer review process. Uh, there was a gentleman who I had on my podcast who is a classical, a classicist, and he studied ancient Greek. All he did was read ancient, translate ancient Greek.

• 1:29:46Speaker 03

  Is it Amen Hillman?

• 1:29:47Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  I love him.

• 1:29:47Danny Jones?

  So he did a, a dissertation on this guy Galen, who was the surgeon general of the Roman Empire. And he was Marcus Aurelius's personal physician. This guy was not just a physician, but he was also like a philosopher. Like he was, you know, a, he was a jack of all trades. He was a genius in every aspect. But, um, so he studied all the different testing and medications and concoctions that Galen was making, um, and giving to Marcus Aurelius, including like opium. Like there was this one drink that he created called the Theriak, which was like, I forget how many different ingredients were in it. But it essentially included opium and like seven different viper

• 1:30:29Danny Jones?

  venoms, like North African viper venoms. And the reason that he and Marcus Aurelius were both taking it was because I guess the common way that royalty or like emperors would get killed was being poisoned, like assassinated with poisons. So he wanted to drink these viper venoms as like a performance enhancing drug to like it boost his immunity to venom.

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• 1:31:50Danny Jones?

  Right. Anyways, long story short, this, you know, this dude wrote this dissertation on it, and he got in a huge fight with the people at his university who were reviewing him to get his PhD. They made him take out all references to recreational drugs in the Roman Empire. And so he did it.

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:10Danny Jones?

  And he got his thing, he got his PhD. Then he went and took everything and published a book. And the book was called The Chemical Muse. And then, you know, whatever your opinion is on Amen Hillman, that's neither here nor there. The point is, the book went out and it was peer reviewed in the Bryn Mawr Classical Review by a guy who was a forensic pathologist. I read the peer review and I thought it was pretty disingenuous. I thought he was, you know, straw manning everything he possibly could about the book. It didn't make sense. So I invited the guy on the podcast, because this guy was also very interesting. He did like autopsies on, uh, the remains of Picasso. He studied Hitler's remains, his alleged remains that

• 1:32:52Danny Jones?

  were in, uh, Moscow. He studied the remains of, uh, uh, Napoleon, all kinds, all kinds of like huge figures of history. And, um, he reviewed his book about drugs being used in the Roman Empire, shit on it in the peer review. Like, this is a high level. This is like the most prestigious classical review there is.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:33:17Danny Jones?

  And I brought him in and I was asking him questions about his review on it. And he was sort of like, like, listen, like, this isn't my expertise.

• 1:33:25Speaker 03

  Then why is he reviewing it?

• 1:33:25Danny Jones?

  That was the whole thing. Like, that blew my mind.

• 1:33:28Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 1:33:29Danny Jones?

  So the fact that people can do a peer review who are high level academics in one lane, but not necessarily the exact lane that the person is who created that piece of work or that study or whatever it is, that just blew my mind, how that's allowed.

• 1:33:41Speaker 03

  So I don't know about in classicism, but what I will say for like biology and chemistry, typically when you're submitting a paper, you have to submit a list of a few names of people you would want to review your paper. Doesn't mean they'll necessarily be selected, but they usually are.

• 1:33:55Danny Jones?

  And this wasn't like a paper. This was a book that he published. So I don't know what the difference is.

• 1:33:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:59Danny Jones?

  But it was peer reviewed. I mean, the Bryn Mawr is like a huge peer review.

• 1:34:02Speaker 03

  Okay. Yeah, there's probably some variability across the fields. Um, so I can't really speak to that specific field. But, I mean, at least in the sciences, you are able to give names of people that you would want to look at your science, who you think would actually be good fits. But even still, like, obviously there's going to be bias in that context as well. There could be some level of competition.

• 1:34:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  If you're, you know, reviewing somebody's paper that's in your exact field and your space, maybe working on a similar project that you are, as I mentioned before. Um, but mostly the issue is that it literally just slows everything down so much. Um, and it's slowing down our, basically our ability to respond in a timely manner to new cutting edge science that could be life-changing or world-changing.

• 1:34:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  And we saw that during COVID very strongly. Actually, Chanel, my friend that I brought, she did some work on like screening different small molecules that could be helpful in COVID. And obviously ivermectin popped up and like ivermectin-like molecules and like we had data to suggest there could be antiviral effects of that. And like, it was just completely ignored, like not wanting to be, um, brought to the, you know, attention, public attention for whatever reasons.

• 1:35:09Danny Jones?

  So what was the deal with ivermectin? So I don't know if you saw the debate Professor Dave did with the guy Pierre Corry and somebody else.

• 1:35:16Speaker 03

  I didn't watch it.

• 1:35:16Danny Jones?

  You know who Pierre Corry is?

• 1:35:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I kind of vaguely know who he is. Yeah.

• 1:35:21Danny Jones?

  So he did a debate with Pierre Corry and this other guy all about ivermectin. And, um, the case that he was making, I don't remember all of it. That's too, it was too high level for me, uh, to really digest and retain. But the argument that he was making was that like, there are no studies that prove ivermectin did anything for COVID. And number two, I guess the problem was, which was like, you know, this happens in every level of every industry, but they were taking the ivermectin and they were turning it into this crazy like subscription model, making millions and millions of dollars off of it. Um, and like, you know, somehow raising the price to way more than it was if you could get it through a doctor.

• 1:36:06Danny Jones?

  But I guess the problem was you couldn't get through a doctor. The fact that you couldn't get it through a traditional

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:36:11Danny Jones?

  doctor, um, led to them finding, carving out this niche to where they could, since they were doctors, they could create a company where they create this subscription model where they market to the people who, you know, that was like, that was probably the most polarizing period in my lifetime of American history was the COVID thing. So they, they had a huge base of people, a huge customer base. And the fact that you couldn't get it from a doctor was like, you know, all the stars were aligned for them to make tons of fucking money. So that's, that was Dave's, you know, one of his biggest arguments to those guys, combined with the fact that there was no actual scientific reviews or like proof that that thing, that stuff did anything.

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  So it's a very safe, um, off patent drug. So it should be very cheap if you can get it. But obviously doctors were like just scared to prescribe it, I guess, for their licenses or whatever, which is ridiculous. Like literally a Nobel Prize winning drug. And the safety profile is crazy. Like the, the wide range of doses that you could receive, like up to, I think, two milligrams per kilogram and even higher than that. And still have very minimal side effects. Like, first of all, it seems like, um, it seems like something that should be tried, at least tried out, especially because in all of, um, a lot of the in vitro assays that were done for screening to see what could potentially stop spike protein from entering cells. Like it did pop out multiple times across multiple labs as an

• 1:37:38Speaker 03

  option. So it seems like something that would have at least been attempted. And then if you look at the studies that did try to study ivermectin, the timing and the dosing was like so erratic that it was hard to actually draw a conclusion. But I will say from my personal experience, um, I'm somebody who literally will get sick if sickness comes into the house from my stepson, from my partner. And they both had COVID. When was it? It was either earlier this year or end of last year.

• 1:38:05Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:38:05Speaker 03

  I was taking ivermectin because I had Like some, again, like some stomach bug or something that I was dealing with. I was like, I might as well try it because it is shown to actually increase bifidobacteria in like the short term. So it can actually be helped to helpful to remodel the microbiome. And it seems to like target essentially pathogens and parasites without harming like the positive bugs that are in the gut. So I was taking it. I literally didn't get sick. They were both sick around me. I wasn't protecting myself in any other way and I did not get sick. So I really think if this study were to be done, I would bet there's a kind of like a in preventative measures, you could take ivermectin, you could probably take it prophylactically is what I meant to say, to prevent the infection to begin with.

• 1:38:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:38:50Speaker 03

  Though I know other people who, you know, had the infection started taking it and still like shortened potentially shortened the window infection, though it would be hard to say on an individual level. You'd need like a large scale data set.

• 1:38:59Danny Jones?

  Right. I would be interested in trying it too. Cause in my household, it's my wife and kids, if there's something that goes through the house, they get it first. I always get it a week later for some weird reason.

• 1:39:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:09Danny Jones?

  So maybe if I had it, that would help me.

• 1:39:10Speaker 03

  I keep it on hand. I literally have it in my backpack with me.

• 1:39:12Danny Jones?

  Let me get a handful.

• 1:39:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, you got it. I'm happy to because I literally, whenever I'm gonna fly, I take it just in case. I don't want to pick up anything on the plane.

• 1:39:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:20Speaker 03

  And I, it just works wonders for me. I like, obviously I don't have the other control that says if I didn't take it, I would have gotten sick.

• 1:39:26Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:39:27Speaker 03

  But just from my own experience, I know that I tend to get sick.

• 1:39:29Danny Jones?

  If it's not, if it's not gonna harm you, if it's not harmful, there's no downside to it, then what's the, what's the hurt?

• 1:39:33Speaker 03

  That's what I feel too.

• 1:39:34Danny Jones?

  And also, Mary Tally Bowden was prescribing it to tons of her patients and she saw incredible results.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:39:41Danny Jones?

  And she had no incentive to do that. She didn't make any extra money from doing that. She got friggin' outcast from her whole, she got kicked out of the hospital and she was an outcast.

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  Yep. Yeah. She actually, I remember her talking about a specific case with somebody that was having very strong histamine responses after the jab. And she used ivermectin to help basically, I guess, clear up some of the spike protein that was in the system from the jab in particular. And that that person responded really, really well. And, you know, it changed her life in a positive way. And like, you know, that's kind of invaluable, especially when you know, like this drug is really not going to cause side effects in like 99% of people. It's very well tolerated. So it seems like kind of a no brainer.

• 1:40:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. And it was very sus that they were trying to ban that. And there was this like overwhelming pressure from, from the power, the power structures, the biggest companies and the government saying, no, don't do this.

• 1:40:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:40:31Danny Jones?

  Like, you know, whenever that happens, you should have your red flags going up.

• 1:40:37Speaker 03

  I totally agree.

• 1:40:37Danny Jones?

  And also the, in Florida, at one point, they tried really hard. I don't know if they were successful, but they banned, they tried to ban monoclonal antibodies, but we had that here.

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 1:40:47Danny Jones?

  And then they, there was a huge push to get that banned. I don't know if they were successful or not. I never did any of that stuff.

• 1:40:53Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:40:55Danny Jones?

  But I remember being in line to get that. There was like in St. Pete, like just 30 minutes from here, there was like huge parking lots at the stadiums where people were waiting in line for half the day.

• 1:41:04Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:41:04Danny Jones?

  To get the monoclonal antibodies.

• 1:41:06Speaker 03

  It's almost like they wanted people to die. You would say if like you had a cynical view. I mean, it's possible. It just seems like they were literally doing everything wrong. From like slowing down the science of like potential alternative therapies to like pushing the propaganda of the safety studies on the jabs and like hiding information about the contents of them. Like it's just literally at every turn, they were doing something wrong. And I ultimately think it opened a lot of people's eyes, which is good about like the shortcomings of our system.

• 1:41:37Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:41:38Speaker 03

  But it's hard to not think that it's nefarious at some level, I guess is what I would say.

• 1:41:43Danny Jones?

  It's hard to, especially if you have a deep understanding of history, you know?

• 1:41:46Speaker 03

  Exactly. It's like naive.

• 1:41:48Danny Jones?

  What is this, Steveo?

• 1:41:50Speaker 03

  Is this the Hebrew characters?

• 1:41:51Speaker 05

  I believe so.

• 1:41:53Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:41:53Speaker 03

  Okay, cool.

• 1:41:54Danny Jones?

  Put your headphones on so we can hear it.

• 1:41:58Danny Jones?

  This is on the Cosmos guy?

• 1:42:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is, so this is, this is the, from Adam to, Isaac Bintav is in the beginning, but then it transitions to this lady who's.

• 1:42:09Speaker 03

  It's his wife.

• 1:42:09Speaker 05

  Oh, his wife. Okay. So, here, I'll go ahead and play it.

• 1:42:14Speaker 07

  For eternity. So we want to see what's next. And so the moment you ask again, the next picture is shown to you and explained. And what you see are more such luminous toroidal shapes appearing in the void. And as you approach, you see that they are arranged in a spiral, seven universes per each rung of the spiral. This seems like a lot to take in at first, and you begin to count and you realize that there are seven rungs to the spiral, which means that there are 49 universes. And on top of that structure, there appears to be a very luminous something. And as you approach it closer, this brilliant white light seems to have a shape such as this. And Ben, being familiar with the Hebrew language,

• 1:42:59Speaker 07

  looked at that and he said, no, I must be programming myself. This looks like the Hebrew letter Aleph, the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet. And immediately the explanation comes, no, this is not a Hebrew letter. This is an interference pattern of four energies interacting on this level, on this cosmic level. And they create this pattern, which is a consciousness whose body this is. This consciousness contains the consciousnesses of all the 49 creators. In other words, consciousness is modular. As we, as we saw before with the ducks, a more evolved consciousness, a larger consciousness will contain the lesser

• 1:43:38Speaker 07

  ones. As Ben was looking at all these things, he said, I'm just a tourist. I'm snapping pictures and bringing them back. I don't know what I'm looking at. And I'm just one of you all. We're all on this cosmic journey on a bus, except some of us have window seats and how, and some have aisle seats. I happen to have a window seat so I can share with you what I'm observing. So he had no explanations for these, except that he was seeing something and then asking questions. So as he approached this Aleph a little closer, what he saw was that the front of it was a brilliant white light and the back was dark and it looked

• 1:44:20Speaker 07

  rather three dimensional. It's a hologram. And there are 22 such forms, interference patterns emerging from the luminous side. And they look exactly like the Hebrew letters.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:44:34Speaker 07

  And he was explained again that these are interference patterns that were observed by seers in antiquity. And they incorporated them into the Hebrew letters, into the Hebrew alphabet. But they are there objectively to be observed. On the other side, the same forms emerge, but in a random mixed up order. And he was explained that these interference patterns are transducers of the Aleph energy down to the physical level. They step it down further and further to the physical level. And this whole diagram actually illustrates

• 1:45:13Speaker 07

  the law of the cosmic level. Because what it's really saying that evil is simply ignorance of the law. The proper sequence of these characters is knowledge of the law. But a mixed up order is ignorance of the law, which then becomes evil. And what is the law? And when you ask the question, you're shown. Close up, this is the structure. The Aleph breaks itself down into three.

• 1:45:39Danny Jones?

  I don't know if I'm buying this lady's shit.

• 1:45:41Speaker 03

  You see that?

• 1:45:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I see that. That's like an ancient Hindu thing.

• 1:45:45Speaker 03

  It is, it is. Well, have you ever thought about like, why certain letters are the shape they are? Like who decided that? Like what it means?

• 1:45:55Danny Jones?

  Nah, not really. What do you think it means?

• 1:45:59Speaker 03

  So I, I think it's probably not random. I could say that. Especially when we look at these very old languages, like Aramaic and Hebrew. I mean, you gotta think like all of these religious traditions, they have like mystical branches that were doing a lot of like deep meditative, maybe plant medicine work as well that, you know, if they maybe saw things and they translated that into, you know, maybe using it to construct a language. It doesn't seem that far fetched to me. It's gotta come from somewhere.

• 1:46:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm just so skeptical of the history of languages and shit. I've, I've talked to so many people who study this shit their whole lives and they all disagree on everything, you know?

• 1:46:39Speaker 03

  Well, there's no way to know for sure.

• 1:46:40Danny Jones?

  There seems to be a large, it seems to be like similar to medicine, where there's the group of people that like to stay in the, the lane of what's accepted by mainstream.

• 1:46:52Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:53Danny Jones?

  And like there's outcasts. And there seems to be more and more outcasts that are, I tend to lean towards like they might be more on to something. And one of the things that I learned recent, on a recent one, a recent podcast we did with some people, these two experts in ancient languages, was that Hebrew is a lot more recent than we think. Greek obviously went back way farther and there's no evidence of any Hebrew going back farther than like, I think it was 400, 500 B.C., something like that.

• 1:47:28Speaker 03

  Wasn't that Aramaic before that though?

• 1:47:31Danny Jones?

  I don't know. I don't remember. But Aramaic and Hebrew, they're, they're all Semitic languages, right? And, and Greek was the one that was like in its own lane. And the idea is that, you know, if you, if you look at all the texts that we have that are written on scrolls or on animal skins or on tablets or whatever. There's so much more in Greek. There's like philosophical stuff. There's poetry. There's comedy. There's medicine. There's legal stuff. And, you know,

• 1:48:10Danny Jones?

  the older stuff we have in Hebrew was found in these jars in these caves in Qumran, and it's all religious. And if you even going back to like the Library of Alexandria, it was all Greek. There was no fucking Hebrew in that.

• 1:48:25Speaker 03

  How do we know? What was in it?

• 1:48:27Danny Jones?

  I'm in the in what?

• 1:48:28Speaker 03

  In the library.

• 1:48:29Danny Jones?

  I don't know. Let's be on my pay grade.

• 1:48:31Speaker 03

  So I'm like, if that all gets destroyed.

• 1:48:32Danny Jones?

  People tell me that.

• 1:48:33Speaker 03

  I'm so curious, like, how they would know that.

• 1:48:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't know. I guess they from from reading ancient texts, they realized that like it's just talked about like what was in the Library of Alexandria. And, you know, what was happening? And there's like constantly there were scribes in there that were there were constantly like rewriting stuff because, you know, such a human environment scrolls would constantly be like just, you know, evaporating or like being degraded by the environment. But it's always been a super interesting to me, like the how Hebrew and Greek were in their own separate universes, you know, and Greek was such a deeper language. There was so much more. There was over a million unique words in Greek. Hebrew is only 7,000, which is crazy.

• 1:49:18Danny Jones?

  And all the ancient Hebrew we have, there was no, there was no ancient Hebrew philosophers. There was no ancient Hebrew doctors or comedians or anything. It's all religious shit. Which is just, I don't know what that means. It's just very interesting.

• 1:49:34Speaker 03

  It makes me think that the people who knew how to read and write were probably in like a different cast of like the system. Maybe there was some sort of like a hierarchy. And like the common person just didn't even have any ability to read or write. Versus I don't maybe in Greece, it was a little bit more homogeneous or something. Like maybe people were taught how to.

• 1:49:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:49:53Speaker 03

  Language is just so mind boggling in general because it's like, I'm making these mouth sounds and you're interpreting them to know what I mean in your brain. And it's like, who created like English, for example, we could talk about any language. So it's like, who made the alphabet? Who decided what each letter sounded like? Who then taught that and disseminated? And everybody just happened to agree? People don't agree on anything. How do you get them to agree?

• 1:50:14Danny Jones?

  Right, right. And then going back to Homer, like with the Odyssey and the Iliad and all that stuff.

• 1:50:19Speaker 03

  Did you see the movie yet?

• 1:50:19Danny Jones?

  It was, I haven't seen it. My dad just called me this morning. He said it was great.

• 1:50:22Speaker 03

  He's going on Saturday. I'm excited.

• 1:50:23Danny Jones?

  Um, going back to to like Homer and all that, no one could read.

• 1:50:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:50:29Danny Jones?

  Everyone would sing. They would sing it. Like that was all sung in like hymns and like musical tones. And people would memorize all that shit because no one could read it.

• 1:50:38Speaker 03

  Right, exactly.

• 1:50:39Danny Jones?

  Which is crazy. And then also, it's not pagnated, or it's not like, there's no spaces between words. There's no commas, apostrophes. There's, there's nothing like that. It's all just straight words stacked. And like, you can't go back and like, remember, okay, this was on page 345, paragraph two of this chapter of this book or whatever. No, it's just these giant scrolls of never ending texts.

• 1:51:03Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 1:51:04Danny Jones?

  Which is like.

• 1:51:05Speaker 03

  That's mind boggling.

• 1:51:06Danny Jones?

  It is mind boggling.

• 1:51:08Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:51:09Danny Jones?

  It really is. And, you know, the fact that it was musical too is very interesting. That's another thing. That's another thing. There's tons of music in ancient Greek, written in ancient Greek, you know, there was like all these musicians who are writing about all this stuff and.

• 1:51:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, it seems like a like a musical tradition is something that's like been a thread throughout all of human history, essentially, because I think we use it as a way to remember things. Because when you put it to a tune, you're just more likely to be able to remember it in the future. Versus if you just like took the text, it would be very hard to remember that word for word. But a song, you can remember the lyrics to a song.

• 1:51:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like it's been that's another thing, you know, like the, like the memory aspect to it too.

• 1:51:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:51:48Danny Jones?

  Like people back then probably had way better memories because they didn't have to rely on storing all their memories on iPads and phones and their notepad and, you know, whatever, like wasn't stored on videos on YouTube where you can just save that bookmark it and.

• 1:52:02Speaker 03

  Yep. Some things are use it or lose it for sure. And I think our brains are definitely one of those things where it's like different aspects, the learning and both, both the learning and the memory are like, you need to use it regularly.

• 1:52:13Danny Jones?

  I had this lady on who's a psychologist from Harvard, I think she was from, she worked at she was a psychologist, like very high level psychologist. And she was, she threw this theory at me, where she thinks she thought that like, when language was created, that was like a split in like the evolution of humans where we went from, we went from like intuitive knowledge to trusting the written word, which is by its very nature deceptive. Like the easiest way to deceive is through the written word by being able to print lies

• 1:52:55Danny Jones?

  or, or biases or whatever and paint them as as truth. So you can read, I can read books about, you know, biology and, you know, neuroscience all day long. I'm not really gonna know any of that, right? I just, I just sort of like remember and understand the best I can. I can repeat it. But like, that's not intuitive knowledge. That's like almost the opposite of intuitive knowledge. And she was making them, she was making this case of like, you know, maybe that was the story of Adam and Eve and the tree of knowledge and the forbidden fruit was like that deviation in the intuition versus trusting the written word, which is inherently deceptive. And we've we're so far down that path now. It's like, you know, the point of no return.

• 1:53:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it's.

• 1:53:40Danny Jones?

  One of those things I think about a lot.

• 1:53:41Speaker 03

  It's kind of like the split between let's you could say like the intuition and the intellect, for example.

• 1:53:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:47Speaker 03

  Like the intellect, it's, it wants to have a grasp on everything, right? And wants to have certainty. When in reality, you can't be certain about anything. Like, there's nothing that you could have 100% certainty on.

• 1:53:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:59Speaker 03

  Um, and obviously, that's not something the ego enjoys because the ego wants to have like control and be able to have a grasp on things. So I think.

• 1:54:07Danny Jones?

  Right. And it's the same thing, like just like being able to write stories down on animal skins, like, that's just a very primitive version of having the iPhone, you know, and that's going to dull certain senses. That's gonna, I'm sure there was, before we had the written word, and we had to have like extraordinary memories and rely on our, whatever we call our gut instincts we have now, like, maybe that was something that was back then, something on a whole nother level, like on steroids or something.

• 1:54:37Speaker 03

  The thing about language too is it's so limiting. I was having a conversation earlier, actually, about psychedelic experiences in particular, and how like they're so ineffable. And when you go to try to describe it, it's just like such a sham of what the actual experience was and like the profundity of it.

• 1:54:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:51Speaker 03

  That actually makes me think that languages like Greek, for example, with such a diverse vocabulary would actually be a better approximation for reality compared to languages that only have a small number of words to encapsulate reality. Like, you're inherently lying when you put things into words because they're just, they're limiting.

• 1:55:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  But the more options you have, the closer it is to the truth.

• 1:55:11Danny Jones?

  Yes. Yes. I don't, I don't know where that goes, but it's very interesting to see, you know, how this stuff evolves. And, you know, like what we were talking about earlier, talking to all these people who are dedicate their lives to studying these languages and stuff, like, none of them agree. It's very, very, very strange.

• 1:55:26Speaker 03

  There's a high level of interpretation, especially because like, for the most part, the languages are dead. So they have to like use correlations to try to triangulate the meaning of certain things. And it's like, there's a lot of room for variability there, it seems. And like, kind of individual interpretation.

• 1:55:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:55:44Speaker 03

  So, yeah, it's very interesting to think about like how language shapes culture, I think, in general. And how maybe in particular, English is positioning us to be more biased and more dogmatic. I think that's an interesting thesis to explore. Like, maybe there's something

• 1:56:01Speaker 03

  specific about the English language that's problematic, or it might have some benefits too. I'm sure there's people studying these topics that's.

• 1:56:09Danny Jones?

  Maybe we need to become telepathic. We need brain chips.

• 1:56:12Speaker 03

  No, no. Wrong direction. But also.

• 1:56:17Danny Jones?

  Then we wouldn't be limited by language.

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  I really don't see how it would work because just because you stimulate a neural circuit in my brain doesn't mean it's the exact same as yours. So like, if you simulate one neuron, that means this emotion in my body, and you stimulate the same neuron, like if you map it into your brain, it could be completely different. Like, if you trace it. So I really don't see how it would work telepathically. Like, to give you the same visceral experience that I'm having. Like, I just don't see it as being possible. I don't know.

• 1:56:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you're looking at it from a very reductionist point of view, though, right? Like, you're looking at it from like a mechanical point of view.

• 1:56:51Speaker 03

  Okay. So how would the brain chip work? How does it work then?

• 1:56:55Danny Jones?

  I don't know.

• 1:56:56Speaker 03

  I mean, it's being made by the hyper reductionists, right? So.

• 1:57:00Danny Jones?

  True, true. Theoretically, the way I've heard it described is like you'd be able to just.

• 1:57:07Danny Jones?

  Project intention to people.

• 1:57:10Speaker 03

  You could probably already do that, though, without the technology.

• 1:57:12Danny Jones?

  You think?

• 1:57:13Speaker 03

  Actually, that's a Rudolf Steiner quote. I'm not going to quote it directly, but it's something like, "Human beings are going to continue to develop technologies that mimic things, technologies essentially they already have inside themselves until they realize that they have these technologies inside themselves, or they're going to destroy the world. And which one happens first is anyone's guess."

• 1:57:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:57:31Speaker 03

  But like, everything is a projection of something we already have, which kind of makes sense, because like we talked about, all technology is an extension of our senses, of our own sensory capabilities that we already have. So like, obviously, that capacity is somewhere within us already. It's just a matter of being able to cultivate it and

• 1:57:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  like, use it in like, a specific way, for example. Like, obviously, like, the remote viewing stuff, the telepathy stuff, I think it's not unprecedented. Seems like it's a possibility for humans. Maybe some are more, have a higher proclivity to those kind of things than others.

• 1:58:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:58:06Speaker 03

  It seems like it's possible.

• 1:58:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they probably get awakened when you get out of, you know, big cities and get into like, the Amazon rainforest.

• 1:58:14Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 1:58:14Danny Jones?

  And you're surrounded by, you know, millions of heartbeats and insects and monkeys and jaguars and all that crazy stuff.

• 1:58:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:21Danny Jones?

  There's probably something that is unlocked.

• 1:58:23Speaker 03

  I mean, I think the medicine man in the Amazon, basically, when asked how they knew how to create ayahuasca from these, like, very diverse plants in different parts of the forest, they were like, "The plants told us how to make it."

• 1:58:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:58:36Speaker 03

  So it's like, okay, that's cool. That sounds great. Like, that's probably a skill that needs to be cultivated. And maybe only certain, like, the shamans in these types of cultures, like, they seem to be tapped into something that's kind of otherworldly. Like, maybe that information's coming through them. I don't know, they're also the ones that are using the plant medicines and like, doing a lot of the deep inner work and the meditative stuff. And so like, seems like they're, they're kind of skills that one could develop if they were to kind of exercise them.

• 1:59:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:03Speaker 03

  But.

• 1:59:04Danny Jones?

  Well, who was that, who was that person that we had on recently, who was explaining us, um, I think it was a lady who was explaining to us this uncontacted tribe who has this, like, very basic language. You remember this?

• 1:59:17Speaker 05

  Was this, uh, Melissa Ilardo?

• 1:59:20Danny Jones?

  No, this was recent.

• 1:59:23Speaker 05

  Basic language.

• 1:59:23Danny Jones?

  This was very recently. This person, they were studying this tribe who had this, like, it was like, a very, very primitive language that was almost like, so dumb, they couldn't even believe it. Uh.

• 1:59:38Speaker 05

  Was it Heather Lynn?

• 1:59:40Danny Jones?

  Yes, it was Heather Lynn. That's what it was.

• 1:59:44Danny Jones?

  And, uh, yeah, she was making the case that they're like,

• 1:59:51Danny Jones?

  something about them and like, the location they were in, and how they were separated from the rest of the world. They, uh, I don't know, they were like, evolving on their own timeline or something like that.

• 2:00:06Speaker 03

  I mean, it's pretty crazy.

• 2:00:06Danny Jones?

  I wish you could find the name of that tribe.

• 2:00:08Speaker 03

  It's pretty crazy to think that there are groups of people that are living and have been living the same way for millennia.

• 2:00:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:00:13Speaker 03

  And then there's us, and we're existing in parallel. Crazy.

• 2:00:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, we're living here, talking on a podcast, on YouTube, while there's people running around naked, you know, on some island somewhere, throwing spears at shit.

• 2:00:24Speaker 03

  Totally. Which is better, I mean, I don't know. I really don't know, it depends on what you're optimizing for.

• 2:00:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I guess it's all about perspective.

• 2:00:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:34Danny Jones?

  But if there was a, uh, if there was a nuclear war, they would definitely be the ones that survived.

• 2:00:37Speaker 03

  Absolutely. They're tapped into everything that they need to know to live on the land and like, survive under very limited resources.

• 2:00:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:45Speaker 03

  We are totally divorced from that.

• 2:00:47Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm, yeah, we are. Another one of your quotes that I loved from our first podcast. Yeah, I think you said that we're like, equivalent to orcas at SeaWorld. Did you say that?

• 2:00:58Speaker 03

  It sounds familiar, yeah.

• 2:00:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, because like, orcas, when they get inside these, uh, these big tanks and they're not able to swim around, they're not able to hunt, they're not able to do anything like that, they get like, super depressed, they end up going crazy. They lose their minds and they kill people and...

• 2:01:12Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 2:01:13Danny Jones?

  It's fucking insane.

• 2:01:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like, we're living in captivity. We literally are.

• 2:01:17Danny Jones?

  In captivity, yes, exactly.

• 2:01:18Speaker 03

  I literally think the function of culture and society is to domesticate humans, in particular domesticate men, because non-domesticated men are the downfall to society, basically, because they will rise up and like, overthrow whatever the power structure is. So literally, the, the function of the culture is to basically just keep men in check. And it's really quite interesting that you see the, that kind of go in parallel with declining testosterone levels.

• 2:01:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:43Speaker 03

  And fertility in both men and women, but like, in particular in men. It's very interesting.

• 2:01:47Danny Jones?

  Was this it?

• 2:01:48Speaker 05

  I found it.

• 2:01:50Danny Jones?

  This is the exact one she was talking about?

• 2:01:51Speaker 05

  Uh, I'm pretty sure.

• 2:01:54Danny Jones?

  The Pedohan?

• 2:01:55Speaker 05

  David Everett.

• 2:01:56Danny Jones?

  Parahas? Uh, what was specific about, what did she say? Okay, here it is, go, go, go down. "The Paraha are a unique group of people whose language, culture, and worldview are strictly built around the principle of immediacy of experience, extreme vocabulary. The language lacks words for abstract concepts, numbers, colors. For example, there are no words for one or two in terms, only terms for a few and many. They also have no word for thank you and do not tell others what to do." So what is the implications of no abstract god? "They do not have a supreme god while they believe in spirits that inhabit the physical world, like the jungle or the rivers. They don't worship or pray to them." Uh, da, da, da, da, da.

• 2:02:41Speaker 05

  Oh, he was a missionary and he lost his faith in his ability to convert them.

• 2:02:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, he was trying to convert them. Okay.

• 2:02:49Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 2:02:51Danny Jones?

  Okay, so when Everett was trying to tell him about Jesus, the Paraha asked him a simple, logical question. "Have you seen Jesus?"

• 2:03:04Danny Jones?

  "When Everett explained what, that he had never seen Jesus, nor his father or anyone he knew, the Paraha simply lost interest. They only placed the value on the verifiable, observable, and personal experience." That's fascinating to me.

• 2:03:24Danny Jones?

  Because, because of the way they live, they're just more practical people. They don't have the, they don't have the privilege of, you know, Jesus or religion or organized, you know, organized religion and all this stuff.

• 2:03:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:35Danny Jones?

  That was fascinating to me.

• 2:03:36Speaker 03

  It kind of seems like, obviously, if you look at how cultures develop, they're developing in a way that is supporting the individuals that comprise the culture. So religion must serve a function, like organized religion is serving a function in most of the world, for whatever reason. And their version of spirituality, or whatever you want to call it, is serving them in their context. But like, it makes perfect sense that that wouldn't translate, like, why would, they wouldn't gain anything from believing in what he was saying.

• 2:04:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:05Speaker 03

  Because it just didn't make sense to them, first of all. But then, second of all, like, what are they gaining from believing that? They already have a spiritual belief system around what happens when they die or whatever else, then

• 2:04:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:15Speaker 03

  they don't need it.

• 2:04:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's more of a, something that's like, adaptable for like, the way we live now with cities filled with millions and millions of people.

• 2:04:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:04:25Danny Jones?

  Who are like, just connected to everyone all around the world at all times.

• 2:04:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, and all simultaneously disconnected from everyone.

• 2:04:32Danny Jones?

  Right, but it's only a small group of people, too. And they're just trying to survive.

• 2:04:36Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 2:04:37Danny Jones?

  Very interesting.

• 2:04:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, the thing with people in urban environments, too, is I feel like you can become so like, disenchanted with humanity in general, because it's just like, oh, there's so many of us, we're packed into this dense kind of space, and I feel like it almost leads to the belief that like, humans are expendable in a way. And there's like, a lack of, um, like sanctity around the individual in some ways.

• 2:05:01Danny Jones?

  Like diffusion of responsibility.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  That, too.

• 2:05:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:04Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 2:05:05Danny Jones?

  Where people can, there can be like, a car accident with like, a lady bleeding out on the side of the road, and somebody could just, you know, be on a phone call, trading stocks, and walk right by it and not pay attention.

• 2:05:12Speaker 03

  Exactly. Yeah. So, it's like, an interesting social experiment, honestly, and, you know, I don't know if urban living actually, it probably doesn't work in the long term, to be honest, because every time something catastrophic happens, you have to start over. And you have to start from the more rural, like, agrarian or just like, very pragmatic kind of context and environment. It's just kind of the way the cycle goes, I guess.

• 2:05:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:38Danny Jones?

  Um, so, going back to what we were talking about earlier with like, the Pergamon Press stuff and the peer review and all of the gatekeeping that happens in science. Uh, one of the things that was super interesting to me that is kind of in line with all of that, that I found very interesting, was when Jack did that podcast with Andrew Huberman and, um, Rick Rubin. And I think it was Huberman.

• 2:06:08Danny Jones?

  Or no, Jack might have said it and then Huberman confirmed it that all of the medical textbooks in the neurology department at Stanford, like 90% of them were like proven wrong or out of date. And Huberman said that one of his colleagues, like one of the top neurosurgeons in the world confirmed it, saying, yeah, that's true. They're all out of date and a lot of them are inaccurate, but they just keep getting printed.

• 2:06:32Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 2:06:33Danny Jones?

  That's, that's crazy.

• 2:06:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, textbooks, they're updated maybe every decade, tops.

• 2:06:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:39Speaker 03

  Tops. So like that information, yeah, for sure. They're, they're learning things that's at least a decade, if not more, out of, out of date and like behind the times, which obviously is a big problem if you're going into medicine and you think you're, you know, at the state of the art, cutting edge and you're actually, you know, light years behind, especially with the pace that technology and innovation has been happening. Like there's so much that you're not learning and obviously doctors, like they're supposed to be doing continuing education and all these things, but most, for most of them, they're in so much debt that they're just trying to make enough money to survive when they get out of school. And they kind of stay on that hamster wheel as well for the rest of their career. Cause most of them are in like 200K in debt or more by the time they graduate medical school. And so they're

• 2:07:24Speaker 03

  just trying to survive when they get out. They don't have time to focus on learning and continuing their, you know, intellectual understanding of the cutting edge of science and medicine.

• 2:07:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they get stuck in the rat race.

• 2:07:35Speaker 03

  Totally. So the whole system is just kind of set up to keep doctors, um, kind of just dialed into whatever they were taught and not like being curious and having, also the whole kind of criteria that selects for doctors to go into medical school. It's all about who gets the good grades on the tests, which means like who listens to authority, who can memorize information. That's what medical school is selecting for in their application process. So like that kind of an individual is also going to behave in a certain type of way when they get into the real world, which is also subverting or like submitting to authority, following the status quo. And that's not exactly what you want in somebody who's going to be taking care of your health. You want somebody who would be thinking out of the box and kind of staying at the bleeding edge. And honestly, that's

• 2:08:20Speaker 03

  more of what like, like a scientist would be inclined to do versus a physician by the current training at least.

• 2:08:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I agree. It's just like, sometimes it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff because you got people on Instagram who are doing methylene blue eye drops sitting on the beach and I think this person is crazy.

• 2:08:37Speaker 03

  They certainly look crazy.

• 2:08:40Danny Jones?

  But you said it's legit?

• 2:08:42Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't know if it's legit. I think methylene blue is a lot of trade offs. Maybe in certain cases and like circumstances, it could have some value. I don't know if it's been studied intraocularly very well. Um, but the product certainly exists and people do use it for better or worse.

• 2:08:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It's just like, god damn, sometimes I feel like people are just go overboard with some shit.

• 2:09:02Speaker 03

  They do.

• 2:09:03Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 2:09:03Speaker 03

  There's a lot of grifting. There's a lot of people.

• 2:09:05Danny Jones?

  So much grifting.

• 2:09:06Speaker 03

  There's a lot of people who are just like desperate to feel better too, and will try anything.

• 2:09:10Danny Jones?

  That's true.

• 2:09:10Speaker 03

  That's like very sad as well because they tend to fall for the grift and like, you know, they could be out a lot of money and maybe even worse off than when they started. So it's definitely like the wild west online for sure in the health space.

• 2:09:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Do you still use the methylene blue stuff?

• 2:09:25Speaker 03

  No, I don't use it regularly. I rarely use it. Maybe like on a flight I will use it, but I haven't in like over a year.

• 2:09:30Danny Jones?

  So it has the similar effect to like ivermectin for like it combats like viruses and stuff?

• 2:09:34Speaker 03

  So not for the viruses per se, at least not to my knowledge, but essentially methylene blue, um, can serve as an electron carrier. When your mitochondrial electron carriers, let's say, aren't working as well. Maybe your engines are gunked up because they're, you know, there's a lot of deuterium around or whatever mitochondrial toxins in your environment. So essentially methylene blue can come in and deliver electrons and kind of circumvent the blockade. But in people who don't have a blockade, it essentially just creates more chaos because now the electrons aren't going where they're supposed to. They're going in this other thing, which may be going, you know, where it's supposed to, or maybe go somewhere else entirely.

• 2:10:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  So I think it's kind of just playing with fire, um, methylene blue in general, especially at like high doses. Yeah. At super low doses, you could probably get away with it. And it does have some like, um, nootropic effects, um, as well. And like, uh, MAOI effects as well, MAOI inhibitor. Um, so that's why it can't be combined with those drugs, for example.

• 2:10:28Danny Jones?

  It can't be combined with what drugs?

• 2:10:30Speaker 03

  The MAOI's, the monoamine oxidase inhibitors, which are certain.

• 2:10:33Danny Jones?

  Give me an example of one of those.

• 2:10:34Speaker 03

  Uh, I couldn't tell you the name. Maybe Steve can look, but it's basically they're psychiatric medications for like depression and other issues. Um, you could be given an MAOI. And also if you've ever seen some pharmaceutical commercials, a lot of times they'll say, do not combine with MAOI's, blah, blah, blah. It's because like essentially there can be some synergistic effects which could overload certain neurotransmitters and create issues.

• 2:10:56Speaker 05

  Whatever these things are.

• 2:10:58Danny Jones?

  Seven, uh, several MAOI's are currently utilized in clinical practice. Tranil, a Promine, uh, I don't, I've never heard of any of this shit. You gotta give me like the brand name.

• 2:11:07Speaker 03

  The trade name.

• 2:11:09Danny Jones?

  No, no.

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  Parnate? I don't know that one, but.

• 2:11:12Speaker 05

  Parnate.

• 2:11:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:14Speaker 05

  Non-selective irreversible monoamine oxidase inhibitor.

• 2:11:21Speaker 03

  I don't know about that one.

• 2:11:22Danny Jones?

  What are like the common names of these drugs though, Steve? Like what are the?

• 2:11:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe search like common MAOI's or something.

• 2:11:27Danny Jones?

  Just, yeah, type in common MAOI, uh, drug brand, drug brand names.

• 2:11:36Speaker 03

  Let's see.

• 2:11:37Danny Jones?

  Okay. Gave you the same shit.

• 2:11:38Speaker 03

  Nardil, Marplan.

• 2:11:43Speaker 03

  Solazoline.

• 2:11:44Speaker 05

  For depression, Parkinson's.

• 2:11:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:11:46Danny Jones?

  I heard that you can't do, somebody told me you can't do, uh, you can't take methylene blue and do DMT.

• 2:11:53Speaker 03

  Um, so that's interesting.

• 2:11:55Danny Jones?

  No, no, no, it wasn't DMT. It was, um, maybe it was DMT. Somebody said it's not safe to take methylene blue with DMT.

• 2:12:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:12:06Danny Jones?

  Or 5HGP.

• 2:12:09Speaker 03

  So is methylene, not methylene blue, is DMT a monoamine?

• 2:12:15Speaker 03

  I don't remember the structure.

• 2:12:17Speaker 05

  DMT, a monoamine.

• 2:12:19Speaker 03

  So basically.

• 2:12:20Danny Jones?

  Maybe it has like, there's some sort of an effect with methylene blue.

• 2:12:23Speaker 03

  It is a monoamine. So basically it would prevent the breakdown of DMT, but anyway, people combine like Syrian Rue.

• 2:12:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, so it'll make it last longer?

• 2:12:30Speaker 03

  It makes it last longer. Yeah.

• 2:12:32Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:12:32Speaker 03

  Cause it's inhibiting the enzyme that breaks it down.

• 2:12:35Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:12:38Speaker 03

  And so like in some cultures, I believe they, they use DMT containing plants. Actually in ayahuasca, there's a, a plant that contains an MAOI and a plant that contains DMT.

• 2:12:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:47Speaker 03

  So they combine them intentionally to make it last. Exactly. Cause the gut is full of, um, monoamine oxidases. So if you're eating something with DMT and it gets rapidly broken down. So you don't like start tripping balls.

• 2:12:58Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:12:59Speaker 03

  Um, but if you inhibit those enzymes, then you can. But yeah, basically methylene blue also acts as a, an MAOI. So it's relevant for certain drug interactions and stuff like that.

• 2:13:14Danny Jones?

  Did you read that Patreon on Jack's Substack about, or not Substack, on his Patreon, about the, uh, the Russian scientist who'd put the copper ring around a plant or something like this and it stopped cancer?

• 2:13:31Speaker 03

  Around a plant?

• 2:13:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, a plant. It said plant.

• 2:13:34Speaker 03

  How did that stop cancer then?

• 2:13:35Danny Jones?

  I don't know.

• 2:13:36Speaker 03

  Do you put the copper ring on?

• 2:13:37Danny Jones?

  It said it had a tumor.

• 2:13:39Speaker 03

  Oh, the plant had a tumor?

• 2:13:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:40Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. Okay, okay.

• 2:13:41Danny Jones?

  I don't, first of all, I've never heard of a plant with a tumor.

• 2:13:44Speaker 03

  So yeah, plants can get tumors. They can get growths.

• 2:13:46Danny Jones?

  And it said that there was like a study on a bunch of different plants and they gave them all the same cancer. And, uh, they put like this copper ring around one of the plants and it just like thrived and it grew.

• 2:13:59Speaker 03

  Well, that's interesting. I mean, there's a lot of, um, I wouldn't say a lot of people, but there's definitely some interest in electro culture in different parts of the country and in the world, um, where they're essentially using things like copper coils, copper rods. And I think it's kind of a little woo, but I think they describe it essentially bringing down more etheric energy into the ground that allows the plant to grow more. And it actually does seem to do something. I don't know if the mechanism is correct.

• 2:14:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I've heard people talk about copper before and like selling copper as like a gimmicky health device or something.

• 2:14:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, Jack has been talking recently about, a lot about magnetism. Um, and there's like a website called I think Magnet RX, where you can get like certain copper jewelry with little magnets on it that like he recommends wearing while you're flying, for example, to help, um, I guess, keep the proper magnetic signals going on in the system when you're in this like very ungrounded, high EMF environment.

• 2:14:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay. So like if you're on an airplane or something like that, that would explain why all the pilots wear those copper bracelets.

• 2:14:59Speaker 03

  Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that.

• 2:15:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, pilots, a lot of, most pilots that I've met, I, I, maybe it's just something that I noticed early and I started paying attention to it and looking for it, but I had noticed a lot of pilots wear those copper bracelets.

• 2:15:10Speaker 03

  That's so interesting. I'm gonna look tomorrow now.

• 2:15:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Didn't we also do something where we had a guy in here telling us about this? And we were like looking it up and we found out like this crazy thing, this crazy, uh, prove, like it was a proven study of the effect of copper.

• 2:15:26Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 2:15:26Danny Jones?

  That might've been Jeffrey Drum.

• 2:15:31Speaker 05

  I would say, gosh, what was it? Was it Taro?

• 2:15:35Danny Jones?

  No, no, no, it was in this studio.

• 2:15:37Speaker 05

  Hmm. No, I don't, I don't recall that.

• 2:15:41Danny Jones?

  Huh. Type in medical benefits of copper.

• 2:15:46Speaker 03

  Like wearing copper?

• 2:15:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, wearing copper, like copper jewelry.

• 2:15:48Speaker 03

  Maybe say like wearing copper, copper jewelry.

• 2:15:50Danny Jones?

  Like copper wearable jewelry, medical benefits?

• 2:15:53Speaker 05

  See what we got.

• 2:15:55Danny Jones?

  Anti-inflammatory and joint soothing effects. Scientific studies show little evidence that copper is absorbed through the skin in quantities large enough to treat conditions like arthritis, but many wearers report a positive, okay. Maybe it's a placebo or spiritual.

• 2:16:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I mean, that, and that's assuming the mechanism is through copper absorption. It may be something a little different. Right? So like, I don't even know how they're setting up these studies to begin with.

• 2:16:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:16:18Speaker 03

  So like it could, it could be biased in thinking that it's absorption of copper when it's actually like something bioelectric, for example.

• 2:16:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, interesting. So they could have definitely, they could, they could test against it by using like a different type of metal alloy and seeing if it has a similar benefit.

• 2:16:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Or like putting on some sort of transdermal copper that's not like a bracelet, but like, or taking a copper supplement or something and like getting the blood levels to the same. But maybe like the benefits wouldn't be the same.

• 2:16:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:16:45Speaker 03

  Cause they're saying it has to do with absorption, but I don't think that has to be the case for sure.

• 2:16:51Danny Jones?

  Very weird. There's so many weird things.

• 2:16:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:54Danny Jones?

  I don't know about.

• 2:16:55Speaker 03

  I know. People are doing like lots of interesting stuff out in the world.

• 2:16:58Danny Jones?

  I try to tell everybody I know to stop wearing sunglasses and no one ever listens to me.

• 2:17:02Speaker 03

  What? Yeah, I know. There's a lot. I saw a lot of people wearing sunglasses here, but also just in general, people love them.

• 2:17:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:08Speaker 03

  In Europe, it was even worse when I visited last year. They were like, it's like fashion, I think.

• 2:17:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:14Speaker 03

  I was in Prague, so I think it was like a fashionable statement or whatever to wear sunglasses. But I'm like, whenever I see somebody wearing sunglasses, I just think they look geriatric.

• 2:17:24Speaker 03

  I'm like, ew, that's such a turn off.

• 2:17:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Well, the problem around here is there's like a lot of people that fish and they need the sunglasses to see through the water.

• 2:17:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:17:33Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 2:17:34Speaker 03

  Well, that's at least a functional, not like just fashion.

• 2:17:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:38Speaker 03

  I could respect that more.

• 2:17:39Danny Jones?

  Yes, but if you're going on a run, I mean, you should take them off, right?

• 2:17:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. And your eyes are even more sensitive the more you wear them. So you need to like.

• 2:17:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:17:47Speaker 03

  If you don't want to need them, then you need to go without them and like build. It's not like a callus per se, but it like, it just regulates the amount of light that your eyes expecting to receive. So if you're constantly in this dim environment, also huge implications from a circadian, uh, mental health, metabolic perspective, because the brightness of the light coming in through your eyes is really important from a circadian perspective, which also when you're exposed to super bright light, like from the sun, we're talking like a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand lux or more. Most indoor environments are like less than a thousand lux. And if you're putting those sunglasses on, you're reducing that lux dramatically. So that brightness of that light is now not able to interface with your eye and help to stimulate your metabolic functions, your neurochemistry to be more alert and awake and like higher mood.

• 2:18:30Speaker 03

  Um, and also could potentially like inhibit your circadian rhythm as well and make it a little bit more distorted. So you're, you know, during the day, your body's expecting to receive bright light.

• 2:18:40Danny Jones?

  Isn't it also true that if you're getting like a large exposure of sunlight to your skin, but not your eyes, that's when you get more skin cancer?

• 2:18:50Speaker 03

  I mean, nobody's done that study, but I think it would be an interesting one. A sun burning, skin cancer. Yeah. Essentially because that palm C mechanism I was talking about earlier.

• 2:18:58Danny Jones?

  How can we do this study?

• 2:18:59Speaker 03

  It would be very easy to do.

• 2:19:00Danny Jones?

  We do it on rats or something?

• 2:19:01Speaker 03

  We can do it on humans. Like we could just see we're burning. Like if we're just talking about burning, I feel like it's not going to be that unethical. Like set out a 10 people that have the same Fitzpatrick status, though obviously there's lots of variables here, like.

• 2:19:14Danny Jones?

  It's called Fitz, what's it called?

• 2:19:15Speaker 03

  Fitzpatrick skin type is basically like how pale or how dark your skin is. Yeah. There's other variables that will dictate how quickly you burn though. So you might need a pretty large N. Or like sample size, but like what your diet's composed of, like if you're eating a lot of processed foods or you're eating, you know, more whole foods based diet.

• 2:19:33Danny Jones?

  Is there any correlation between people who burn easily and skin cancer?

• 2:19:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19:38Danny Jones?

  So if you burn easily, you're more predisposed to skin cancer.

• 2:19:41Speaker 03

  Especially certain types of skin cancer. I think the data on melanoma is kind of a little bit ambiguous, um, because there's some studies that say like your history of burns is increasing your risk. And there's others that say that it's actually decreasing your risk. So,

• 2:19:56Speaker 03

  that's kind of interesting. But when it comes to the basal cell carcinomas and the squamous cell carcinomas, the burn history does seem to have some sort of a association.

• 2:20:05Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:20:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Could be direct, could be indirect, could be both.

• 2:20:10Danny Jones?

  Why aren't there no studies being done on this stuff? There's no money to be made?

• 2:20:13Speaker 03

  I mean, the jury's already out on sun equals bad, right? So I feel like there's just no motivation to do the research. Uh, obviously I don't think people fully buy that. Some people obviously put on all the sunscreen and sunglasses, et cetera, when they go out. But I think most people generally know they feel better when they're in the sun. I don't think a lot of people know that you feel good because you're getting UV light through your eyes and on your skin. Then it becomes, if you know that, it becomes obvious why you wouldn't want to wear sunblock and sunglasses when you're going outside, but.

• 2:20:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So as you, do you like, as soon as you wake up in the morning, you go outside and watch the sunrise every single day?

• 2:20:48Speaker 03

  I don't always get sunrise because I've been doing a lot of Latin dance lately. So sometimes I'm out late, wearing my blue blockers, but I am out late sometimes. But regardless, what time I wake up, the first thing I do is go outside, like whatever time it is. So that I'm at least getting that signal into my eyes. Ideally, it is sunrise because the ratio of blue and red is really special at that time of day to help optimize the cortisol response. And, um, then UVA rise comes shortly after, and that helps to anchor in the circadian rhythm in tissues locally in the eyes and the skin, other tissues as well. And then midday obviously is when UV it's at its peak. So from a nitric oxide production perspective, palm C, vitamin D perspective, that's like when the sun is the most concentrated. So you can maximize the production of those things during midday.

• 2:21:30Speaker 03

  And then sunset is kind of a repeat of sunrise. So you're able to kind of get two chances each day to

• 2:21:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:37Speaker 03

  receive those benefits.

• 2:21:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:21:40Speaker 03

  And yeah, so.

• 2:21:41Danny Jones?

  And another thing I argue with my friends about all the time too, is like, all the people, is it true? I don't remember if we talked about this the first time, but is there a correlation between

• 2:21:52Danny Jones?

  where the sun is in the sky, like the circadian rhythm and like when you should eat, like how the digestive system works?

• 2:22:01Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Yeah. So from a circadian perspective, there's actually pretty cool data on this. I mean.

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• 2:22:36Speaker 03

  Essentially showing that breakfast should be your main largest meal of the day. That's when your metabolism is, assuming you went out and, you know, got sun first thing and everything is ramped up. And you're, you know, you're able to clear and use those nutrients the most efficiently. Midday, your appetites, if you're in the sun, is going to naturally be a bit more suppressed because one of the factors cleaved from palm C that's produced from UVB light is alpha MSH, which essentially binds to cells and receptors in the hypothalamus in the brain and inhibits appetite and increases energy expenditure. It's actually the same mechanism by which, or at least one of them, that Ozempic works by. So Ozempic actually stimulates palm C production in the brain and leads to the production of alpha MSH as well to inhibit appetite and increase energy expenditure.

• 2:23:19Speaker 03

  Obviously there's lots of other trade offs to Ozempic use. I think most people probably have no idea that, uh, essentially that drug is mimicking what you could naturally get from just spending more of your day outdoors in the sun.

• 2:23:32Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:23:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, so that's like a natural way to help yoke your metabolism and appetite to the environment. So if you're out in the sun midday, typically if you like, go to the beach for the day, for example, people generally don't feel super hungry. While they're there or like afterwards, you tend to feel pretty sleepy actually afterwards because you're like dumping melatonin. Melatonin is produced in the mitochondria in response to near infrared light. Different from the melatonin that's produced in the pineal gland at night in response to darkness. So the mitochondrial melatonin essentially gets stimulated by the abundance of near infrared light from the sun or from incandescent bulbs, et cetera. But, um, the sun is definitely the best source. And it's produced in the mitochondria, but then that melatonin can also spill over into the bloodstream.

• 2:24:15Speaker 03

  And, um, there's some pretty cool work being done with like little bio sensors, kind of like a CGM, but looking for melatonin. And, um, TNF alpha, and I think a couple of other things, this is work by Scott Zimmerman in collaboration with, um, I think a university in Texas. I can't remember which one. But essentially they showed after you're in the sun, right after that, there's like a huge burst in melatonin concentration in the bloodstream.

• 2:24:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:37Speaker 03

  It's kind of from this mitochondrial source.

• 2:24:40Danny Jones?

  And that makes you sleepy?

• 2:24:41Speaker 03

  It can make you sleepy. I mean, I think most people feel exhausted after a day at the beach. They just want to go to bed.

• 2:24:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:45Speaker 03

  It's pretty normal. And that's from that melatonin depot versus the one in the brain, which is naturally released when you, when it starts to get dark at night. So you need dark darkness at night and absence of blue light at night in order to get that circulating melatonin to rise from the pineal gland versus from the mitochondrial melatonin. But we're meant to be getting near infrared light all day long from outdoor environments, even if you're in the shade. Uh, green plants reflect a ton of near infrared light.

• 2:25:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's what you were telling me.

• 2:25:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. So we're really.

• 2:25:14Danny Jones?

  Even if you're like behind a screen, like screened in area, you still get it?

• 2:25:17Speaker 03

  Totally, totally. Yeah. So we're, we're meant to be receiving that and we're completely deficient in that near infrared frequency indoors, which is a big problem because that is actually directly stimulating mitochondrial function, mitochondrial water production, inter, internal bio photon production as well. Um, and it's completely unnatural to never be exposed to that, even if we think about like the winter time in, uh, Northern Europe, for example. There's still some daylight and whenever there's daylight, there's going to be an abundance of near infrared. UV obviously wanes with the seasons and latitude, but near infrared is constant. Whenever the sun is up, you're supposed to be getting it. And so the fact that there's none of that indoors is very, very problematic and like antithetical to what human bodies are expecting to receive.

• 2:26:01Speaker 03

  Because that's essentially allowing our tissues to maintain their hydration status, um, through that mitochondrial water production.

• 2:26:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:26:08Speaker 03

  And aging is inherently a dehydration process. It's, that's why you see older individuals, they like lose their plumpness. They get like the sagging, wrinkling skin.

• 2:26:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:17Speaker 03

  They're literally desiccating. Um, and that's not because they're not drinking enough water. It's because their cells aren't making enough water in their mitochondria. Because over time, mitochondrial engines just become less efficient in general. And so that means less energy produced, but also less water produced as well.

• 2:26:33Danny Jones?

  Entropy.

• 2:26:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. So we're basically, our mitochondria are constantly fighting against entropy. But over time, that process becomes less and less efficient and then ultimately entropy wins. But.

• 2:26:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:26:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:47Danny Jones?

  What is your overall take on the, on this crazy GLP-1 explosion that's happening and everybody getting prescribed them? I know, I, I have like, I know like 25 people off the top of my head that I talk to regularly that are on it.

• 2:27:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I think it's a, I think we're going to be horrified what their health looks like in a couple of decades.

• 2:27:07Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:27:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. I know Jack thinks it's taking decades off people's lives.

• 2:27:11Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:12Danny Jones?

  What if you're already like 70? Does it matter?

• 2:27:15Speaker 03

  I mean, it's, I, I think, again, everything is informed consent, right? So like, I don't think anybody is being honest. I don't even know if they've done long-term studies.

• 2:27:22Danny Jones?

  How long have people been taking these GLP-1s?

• 2:27:24Speaker 03

  A few years now. I feel like at least right, like at this scale, maybe the past like three years or so.

• 2:27:30Danny Jones?

  But has, haven't they been studied for, uh, like other use cases, like for people with, uh, diabetes and stuff in the past? And people have been, diabetes, diabetics have been taking them for decades, right?

• 2:27:40Speaker 03

  I don't know about decades, but a while for sure.

• 2:27:42Danny Jones?

  Find out when the, when, find out when GLP-1s first started being tested and used on humans.

• 2:27:49Speaker 03

  Maybe feel like diabetes because I know initially when these drugs came out, they weren't giving them to just people who wanted to lose 15 pounds.

• 2:27:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:27:55Speaker 03

  It was like for morbidly obese and diabetic individuals, which like in that context, you could say, okay, maybe the risk benefit ratio is towards they would benefit from taking it, maybe. Although obviously they would benefit even more if you gave them all the lifestyle advice to allow them to correct their issues at a fundamental level.

• 2:28:15Danny Jones?

  GLP-1 was discovered in 1980s. First human testing was 87 and it was tested for investigating potential treatment for type 2 diabetes.

• 2:28:28Danny Jones?

  You could probably translate this better than I could. Keep going down.

• 2:28:32Speaker 03

  Testing it, proof of concept.

• 2:28:35Danny Jones?

  Was that 2005 such as a first received FDA approval to treat diabetes in 2005?

• 2:28:40Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. It definitely, you know, I don't remember when Ozempic came out exactly, but it's certainly post COVID is when it's really like exploded. And now like, I don't remember having one in 10 people or something.

• 2:28:53Danny Jones?

  Crazy how you see like, I see all my like people I know on social media, all of a sudden just turning into melted candlesticks.

• 2:29:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're also, I mean, you could kind of make the case that they're addictive as well.

• 2:29:04Danny Jones?

  Right, really?

• 2:29:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, because they are also stimulating this palm seed cascade and producing beta endorphins as well. So they're getting a bit of that. Actually anhedonia is one of the side effects potentially of Ozempic where you can feel pleasure from nothing, like not from food, not from sex, from nothing. You just feel nothing.

• 2:29:21Danny Jones?

  And you get pleasure from that?

• 2:29:22Speaker 03

  No, you don't get pleasure. You just feel like flat line. You can't feel pleasure.

• 2:29:25Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:29:26Speaker 03

  So that's interesting. Let's see.

• 2:29:31Speaker 05

  I'm still looking for long-term studies.

• 2:29:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:34Speaker 05

  This one cites 120 weeks. That's

• 2:29:38Speaker 03

  That's short.

• 2:29:38Speaker 05

  It's not very long.

• 2:29:40Speaker 03

  Like a lot of these people are, there's, okay, the other thing about these drugs that's very problematic is like, they don't have any sort of plan for these people. It's just like, take this drug and stay on it indefinitely.

• 2:29:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:29:51Speaker 03

  Obviously they're incentivized to have that model because then they make the most money as well.

• 2:29:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:56Speaker 03

  But then like the moment people come off these drugs, like, you know, I have no doubt the weight starts coming back immediately and maybe even gets to a point that's worse than where they started.

• 2:30:04Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:30:05Speaker 03

  So they're super incentivized to stay on these things.

• 2:30:07Danny Jones?

  Why does Jack, I guess, take decades off people's lives?

• 2:30:11Speaker 03

  So my understanding of this essentially is what the GLPs are doing is kind of breaking an inherent circuit that exists within the body that's like a feedback loop.

• 2:30:22Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:30:23Speaker 03

  So like I mentioned before, in the environment, UVB light is naturally meant to come in and stimulate the palm seed production and give us these kind of outputs. So what the GLPs are doing is they're telling our biology that there's an abundance of energy available and that, you know, in essentially that means it can be in the form of sunlight. So high UV light can be in the abundance of food in the environment because it's mimicking the same pathways that foods would naturally stimulate GLP-1.

• 2:30:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:30:50Speaker 03

  And like they would stimulate satiety, just like actually signals was designed to do that as well, to stimulate GLP-1 maximally and everything, but actually by giving you the nutrients you need, not by tricking the body.

• 2:31:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:31:01Speaker 03

  So what the GLP-1 drugs are doing is they're tricking the body into thinking they have an abundance of energy. And so then that's shutting down appetite and increasing energy expenditure. However, the problem is there's actually an energy deficit. And so these are very conflicting signals. So essentially the body thinks it has ample resources to do what it needs to do, but it's actually completely depleting resources. So from a bioenergetic standpoint, it would make total sense that, you know, you're not only just losing fat, but you're potentially breaking down your, your energy producing engines, like your mitochondria, for example, and having major ramifications in the long term. And I don't know if anybody's actually looking at that.

• 2:31:37Danny Jones?

  I would imagine there'd be major short-term bloke, like ramifications for that. If you're, if you're burning through, if it's faking your energy and you're burning through all that, I would imagine you'd feel that in like a week.

• 2:31:48Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I don't know about a week, but obviously a lot of people are losing a lot of lean mass in addition to fat mass.

• 2:31:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:54Speaker 03

  So like bone mass, muscle mass, tendons.

• 2:31:56Danny Jones?

  I heard that there's one that increases muscle and melts fat and it's called?

• 2:32:02Speaker 03

  It's the combination of Reta and GLP-1.

• 2:32:04Danny Jones?

  Reta.

• 2:32:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:32:05Danny Jones?

  That's what it was.

• 2:32:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:32:07Speaker 05

  That sounds like a wonder drug.

• 2:32:09Danny Jones?

  It does sound like a wonder drug.

• 2:32:10Speaker 03

  Anything that sounds too good to be true is for sure.

• 2:32:14Danny Jones?

  Right. What does this say, Stephen?

• 2:32:15Speaker 05

  All right. So, uh, yeah, the, the, the studies are not very long. So two years.

• 2:32:20Danny Jones?

  Two to four years.

• 2:32:20Speaker 05

  There's a two and a four year trial.

• 2:32:24Speaker 05

  And then there's an ongoing study that started in 2023 where they will start studying each person like for 10 years. So that just started like a few years ago.

• 2:32:33Speaker 03

  And then 10 years are going to be like, oops, we were wrong.

• 2:32:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So what are we going to do with all these trillions of dollars?

• 2:32:38Speaker 03

  I know. Whatever will we do?

• 2:32:41Danny Jones?

  So I said, but also it says 20% reduction in major adverse cardiovascular events?

• 2:32:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about morbidly obese.

• 2:32:48Danny Jones?

  What is that compared to though?

• 2:32:50Speaker 03

  Uh, that's a good question. I mean, they're controlled.

• 2:32:52Danny Jones?

  Reduction compared to what, like, was there a control group, I guess?

• 2:32:55Speaker 03

  So whenever you do studies like that, typically there's a control group that's given a placebo injection, like a saline injection versus the people who actually have the real one. And then they look at the outcomes. So I would, I would guess that the people with the placebo probably know their placebo because they're not going to start rapidly losing weight at that same level. So, I mean, you could make the argument that maybe the placebo isn't a full control group, actually.

• 2:33:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So I had a friend who was in here the other day, uh, who had just, how old did Matt turn for his birthday? He turned 60, is that it? No.

• 2:33:24Speaker 05

  No, 50 is five.

• 2:33:25Danny Jones?

  50, he turned 55 or something like this. And he came in here and, uh, for some reason we got on the topic of this and he's like, oh yeah, I'm on that. I'm like, really? I'm like, I guess, I mean, I guess there's so many people I see every day that are on it, but I shouldn't be surprised. And he was explaining, I'm like, I heard that you lose like all these, uh, like desires, like they'd go away. And he's like, oh yeah, that's true. I'm like, even your sexual desire? He's like, yeah, unfortunately, but I've got a lot more medications to handle that too. So now they can make money selling that and the Viagra at the same time. So it's just like, it works hand in hand for them.

• 2:34:00Speaker 03

  Well, that's what I'm saying. It's also stimulating the dopaminergic system and the dopamine is what makes you feel like rewarded and good and like you did the thing. So like, congrats, like your body is giving you a reward for doing whatever it is.

• 2:34:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:09Speaker 03

  This is just giving it to you immediately through the endorphins. Like you're not in the sun, you're not completing a hard task or whatever. So it's like, it's like the dopamine slot machine, like those rats that like would just constantly hit the cocaine.

• 2:34:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:21Speaker 03

  In the cage. Obviously if they're in a, like a community, they didn't do that, but like if they're isolated rats, they just keep hitting the darn thing.

• 2:34:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:34:27Speaker 03

  Until they die.

• 2:34:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:29Speaker 03

  It's like that.

• 2:34:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And it's just so bizarre to me how there's, you know, that, that all these people are trying, there's so many peptides that are available now to try.

• 2:34:37Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 2:34:38Danny Jones?

  And like, you know, they sound amazing. I tried one, the sleep peptide. I forget what it was called now, but it's supposed to make you have like crazy REM sleep. And I didn't really notice anything.

• 2:34:48Speaker 03

  Was it Penalon?

• 2:34:49Danny Jones?

  Yes, yes, that was it.

• 2:34:50Speaker 03

  Heard about that. So that's one of the convincent peptides. There was this Russian guy, his last name was convincent, like decades ago, he was basically studying these different like natural peptides produced in the body and then like making them synthetically or isolating them and then giving them to people and seeing what happens.

• 2:35:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I tried Penalon like years ago.

• 2:35:08Danny Jones?

  I tried it.

• 2:35:08Speaker 03

  I didn't notice anything either. Yeah, maybe it has to be injected. I don't know.

• 2:35:11Danny Jones?

  But like, yeah, the peptides are like the craze right now. Like everyone is talking about how many peptides they're on.

• 2:35:18Speaker 03

  And so many of those are like the research chemicals too. They're not, there's no like third party testing and you don't really know what you're getting.

• 2:35:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah. But it's just like the peptide, it's just like a fancy word for medication though, right?

• 2:35:30Speaker 03

  So a peptide is just a small protein. So it's just a string of amino acids.

• 2:35:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:36Speaker 03

  But

• 2:35:36Danny Jones?

  It's basically a medication.

• 2:35:38Speaker 03

  I mean, it, some of these are made in the body naturally as well. But obviously you could be mega dosing them, which is a physiologic. It's not mimicking what your body would naturally make. Also the route of, um, administration could be different. Like for example, with like BP 157, it's made in the gastric cells within the stomach. So if you're injecting that, for example, that may not be like physiologic because it's meant to be produced in the stomach and like into the GI tract and not like into your arm. Yeah.

• 2:36:05Danny Jones?

  Huh.

• 2:36:06Speaker 03

  So.

• 2:36:07Danny Jones?

  I've used that before, like on tendon areas that I've like messed up and I feel like I really noticed a difference.

• 2:36:12Speaker 03

  It might, yeah, it may work. It might, it might be placebo. Also when you're injecting it, you're creating a micro inflammation that may stimulate immune function and help to repair the tissues as well.

• 2:36:21Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:36:24Speaker 03

  It's hard to say, but that doesn't mean that like nobody should ever use any peptides. But I think mostly it's the wild west and we don't really know the ramifications of potentially down the road. I'm at least inclined to think that the ones that are naturally produced in the body are probably less harmful than the synthetic ones, but that could also be not true as well, depending on the dose and how they're administered, et cetera.

• 2:36:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:36:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:48Danny Jones?

  What have you been paying close attention to all this stuff like I haven't I cause I haven't any of the stuff that like Bobby Kennedy has been doing recently with all this stuff like pushing stuff through FDA with the peptides and all the psychedelics and all that.

• 2:36:58Speaker 03

  I'm so like disenfranchised with everything.

• 2:37:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:00Speaker 03

  Everything politics. I'm just done.

• 2:37:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, it's I feel the same way. I feel burned out by it.

• 2:37:06Speaker 03

  Me too. So yeah, I don't I know. He's been doing some things to help with peptide legality or whatever, like access. But yeah, I don't know.

• 2:37:13Danny Jones?

  Nothing ever changes in the swamp.

• 2:37:15Speaker 03

  Something like that. Oh, my God. I was listening to somebody. Who was it? I think it was JD Vance on.

• 2:37:20Danny Jones?

  Joe Rogan?

• 2:37:20Speaker 03

  It was on Rogan. Yeah. And he was like, oh, DC is called the swamp because it's built on swampland. And Joe was like, I'm pretty sure I don't know why it's called that.

• 2:37:29Danny Jones?

  I caught that.

• 2:37:30Speaker 03

  That was hilarious.

• 2:37:31Danny Jones?

  Lots of swamp creatures roaming around there.

• 2:37:33Speaker 03

  That's why. Yeah, exactly.

• 2:37:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was crazy. That was a crazy one.

• 2:37:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. So like, I was like, very hopeful too, before this like Trump two presidency, but it just all went to shit. It's like worse than I could have ever imagined.

• 2:37:50Danny Jones?

  Worse than anyone could have ever imagined, right?

• 2:37:52Speaker 03

  Yes. It's a 180, basically, on the campaign promises.

• 2:37:56Danny Jones?

  180, total 180.

• 2:37:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm just checked out from all of it.

• 2:38:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:01Speaker 03

  Just focus on myself and.

• 2:38:02Danny Jones?

  Milking every last penny that they possibly can. You know, it makes Hunter Biden look like Chuck E. Cheese. The amount of money that he was making compared to all the money that they're making off everything. The new thing with the um, with the Truth Social, they're making it like paid access or whatever. Did you see that? Because what what they're selling it as is like a a Truth Social post from Trump can affect the stock market. So now he's going to start making his posts specifically about like geopolitics or about like international trade behind a paywall because that is a huge benefit to stock traders.

• 2:38:44Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. What a scam.

• 2:38:46Danny Jones?

  It's crazy.

• 2:38:47Speaker 03

  It's like the meme coins, Trump coin.

• 2:38:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, it's just like that, right?

• 2:38:50Speaker 03

  Everything's a money grab.

• 2:38:51Danny Jones?

  Everything's a money grab. It's insane. It's never ending.

• 2:38:56Speaker 03

  It is. It is. I just try to focus on what matters most in my own life and trying to help people around me and.

• 2:39:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's a good way to look at life.

• 2:39:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. Otherwise, like focusing on these like more global scale activities, it's just kind of fruitless.

• 2:39:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's fruitless and it's it's stressful.

• 2:39:13Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:39:14Danny Jones?

  Not healthy.

• 2:39:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. It's not healthy. And like all forms of stress are harmful to our biology. So we have to manage that as well and like save our stress for things we actually enjoy.

• 2:39:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:39:24Speaker 03

  Like working out or cold plunging or sauna, whatever it is. Yeah.

• 2:39:28Danny Jones?

  Um, well, thank you for doing this.

• 2:39:30Speaker 03

  This was so fun. I feel like we covered a diverse array of topics.

• 2:39:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we were all over the place. Tell people about your podcast and all the stuff that you do and where they can find you.

• 2:39:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. So my podcast is called Undoctrinate Yourself. Um, I haven't posted recently, but I have a podcast episode coming out this week with Aaron Siri.

• 2:39:48Danny Jones?

  That's the lawyer?

• 2:39:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39:49Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:39:50Speaker 03

  It's the lawyer, like the vaccine injury lawyer.

• 2:39:54Speaker 03

  And yeah, like to just have like nice, different, diverse array of guests that are kind of thinking outside of the box and like pushing, um, kind of just like pushing into a new paradigm and like bucking the status quo. And so that's my podcast. And then I'm mostly active on Instagram at Dr. Alexis Jasmine. And I post a lot of free content on there. People can learn about science, especially in the realm of circadian biology, quantobiology, mitochondrial biology. So if any of that sounds interesting, you can check out my page for a bunch of free stuff. I have a couple of ebooks, a couple more coming. I have my course that I started by talking about, which is like the mini undergraduate degree, essentially, that we're still working through. It's coming up on a year, but we're just going to keep going until I feel satisfied

• 2:40:36Speaker 03

  with it. Um, I have a new course coming out soon. That's kind of like a mini course on like how to implement the information in like quantum and circadian stuff, like protocols, basically, that are bite sized and digestible. And if people want to learn the science, we're going to do some of that. But that's mostly in my other courses. We're mostly going to focus on like the action items and what you can do in your day to day life to feel better and think better and all that stuff. Um, and so that's kind of what I'm working on.

• 2:41:01Danny Jones?

  Oh, you got Patreon questions?

• 2:41:02Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:41:03Danny Jones?

  All right.

• 2:41:03Speaker 03

  Yay.

• 2:41:03Danny Jones?

  We do. Cool. Well, we'll link all of your stuff below for folks to find it. And thanks again.

• 2:41:08Speaker 03

  Thank you. This was so fun.

• 2:41:10Danny Jones?

  Good night, world.