Pod Insights The Daily Stoic | Wondery+ Who Possesses You? | 12 Must-Read Stoic Books To Get You Started About this episode We must retain possession of ourselves. We must get a hold of ourselves. No matter what they do to us. No matter how unfair or frustrating life (and bullies) can be. Books Mentioned: Letters from a Stoic - Seneca - https://www.thepaintedporch.comMeditations - Marcus Aurelius - https://www.thepaintedporch.comCourage Under Fire - James Stockdale - https://www.thepaintedporch.comMans Search For Meaning - Viktor Frankl - https://www.thepaintedporch.comHardship and Happiness - Seneca - https://www.thepaintedporch.comLives of the Stoics - Ryan Holiday - https://www.thepaintedporch.comThe Enchiridion - Epictetus - https://www.thepaintedporch.comThat One Should Disdain Hardships - Musonius Rufus - https://www.thepaintedporch.comHow To Think Like A Roman Emperor - Donald Robertson - https://www.thepaintedporch.comOn The Shortness Of Life - Seneca - https://www.thepaintedporch.comThe Inner Citadel - Pierre Hadot - https://www.thepaintedporch.comThe Daily Stoic - Ryan Holiday - https://www.thepaintedporch.comAmazon Prime Day is here! Discipline Is Destiny is over 50% off right now during Amazon Prime Day! But that’s not the only book you can get on a great deal. Ego Is the Enemy and Stillness Is Key are 50% off, too! And you can grab those two titles, plus Obstacle Is the Way, as part of The Way, The Enemy, and The Key boxed set for almost 70% off. These deals end tomorrow so get them NOW while you can!🎟 Ryan Holiday is going on tour! Grab tickets at ryanholiday.net/tour✉️ Want Stoic wisdom delivered to your inbox daily? Sign up for the FREE Daily Stoic email at https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛 Get Stoic inspired books, medallions, and prints to remember these lessons at the Daily Stoic Store: https://store.dailystoic.com/📱 Follow us: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, and FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Transcript 0:02 Speaker 00 Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast where each day we read a passage of ancient wisdom designed to help you in your everyday life. On Tuesdays, we take a closer look at these Stoic ideas, how we can apply them in our actual lives. Thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy.
0:28 Speaker 00 Who possesses you? People do awful, frustrating, triggering things. They do it now, they've done it for a long time. They find ways to insult us, demean us, humiliate us, degrade us. Marcus Aurelius would say they do this because they don't know good from evil. That doesn't mean it doesn't hurt and it isn't incredibly painful. Back in the 1940s, a young Bill Russell watched his father, Charles, be repeatedly snubbed by a white employee at a gas station. Watching as the man deliberately serviced cars that had arrived after theirs. Finally, Charles had enough and was about to drive off when the employee pulled a gun on the Russells. "Boy," the man said menacingly, "don't you ever do what you just started
1:10 Speaker 00 to do." Done with being kicked around, Charles grabbed a tire iron from his trunk and stepped towards the man who was used to bullying without consequences. In an instant, the man realized he'd messed with the wrong person and ran off. Russell and his brother celebrated wildly from inside the car. Their father had struck back. Their father couldn't be messed with. He'd scared away a white man in Louisiana. Yet, when their father returned to the car, he ordered them to stop cheering. He was no hero. He had made a huge mistake. "I didn't have hold of myself," their father explained later. "I know, deep down, that I'd have hit that man with that iron if he hadn't run off. I'd have ended his life and ruined mine, plus my kids and my wife's, just because some fool was using me as a
1:52 Speaker 00 boy in front of my family. I let him take full possession of me, a grown man. I don't even like to think about it." While many of the Stoics were powerful, plenty of them would have understood the indignity and the frustration. Epictetus was a literal slave. Musonius Rufus, his teacher, was exiled four times. Saneca was not only subservient to Nero, but to Claudius, who foisted trumped-up charges upon him and ordered his exile. Think of Stockdale, seven and a half years as a POW at the mercy of those guards. They too would have tired of being kicked around. They would have been subjected to all sorts of injustices. They had their freedom taken from them. Yet they also understood that the greatest empire was command of themselves. They understood that getting angry, being consumed by their very understandable desire
2:36 Speaker 00 for revenge was to hand over possession of whatever self remained. They understood the consequences of flying off the handle or acting impulsively affected not just themselves, but their families and fellow humans. And so it goes for you too. We must retain possession of ourselves. We must get a hold of ourselves, no matter what they do to us, no matter how unfair and frustrating life and bullies can be. One of my favorite chapters in Discipline is Destiny. Basically, the whole second part is all about this kind of emotional discipline that we have to have command of the greatest empire. George Washington talking about being in the calm light of mild philosophy. I just think it's so important. And when we look at people who underwent, you know, extreme tests of this, right?
3:20 Speaker 00 Like Bill Russell's father. It should, it should make us be able to ignore much less severe slights, much more minor injustices, right? To be more patient, to be in command of ourselves, to not let anyone get full possession of us. I think it's really important. It's why I built this whole chunk of the book around it. Anyways, take command of yourself today.
3:50 Speaker 00 My job is to read books. That's one of the perks of being a writer is that you can't write without reading. Stoics would say also, though, you can't be wise, you can't have a good life if you don't read from the greatest works ever written. Seneca says that only those who make time for philosophy are truly alive. He said, "They annex all the wisdom of the past into their own life."
4:14 Speaker 00 That's why I like reading. I like learning from the experiences of others. And I've been reading every day for as long as I've been able to read. And that's what's made me successful. It's also made me happy. It's made me a better human being. And that culminated in, a couple of years ago, I opened my own bookstore. I'm Ryan Holiday. I've written about Stoic philosophy now for almost 15 years. Talked about it everywhere from the NBA to the NFL, special forces, sitting senators. In today's episode, I want to talk to you about some of my favorite books, books that have changed my life, books that I think you absolutely need to read, and that will make you healthier, wealthier, wiser, and many, many other things. Let's get into it.
4:56 Speaker 00 This is a book that you can tell when I read it for the first time, I was struck by a few things. This is written by one of the most famous Romans of all time. He's near the end of his life. He was the advisor to the emperor. He probably knows that he's a marked man, that the emperor is soon going to kill him. He's been studying philosophy his whole life. And he has this friend who's in a prominent position of power, he's a governor of a Roman province. He wants to write some advice to that guy. They have this exchange back and forth where they're writing these letters to each other about life, about the world, the things we struggle with, where to find peace, how to avoid the traps that other people fall into. I'm talking about Seneca. This is not actually what Seneca looked like. Long story, but Seneca writes these letters to his friend Lucilius.
5:38 Speaker 00 And I think it's one of the most incredible books written about success, about failure, about learning. Ultimately, he defines philosophy. I think this is great. He says, "How do you know you're making progress with this philosophy? I know because I've begun to be a better friend to myself." So read Seneca's letters. It's amazing.
5:58 Speaker 00 This is not only one of the greatest books ever written, it's maybe the only one of its kind. It's written by the most powerful man in the world, who has no intention of publication. He'd probably be mortified that his thoughts on everything, from losing his temper to his fear of death, would ever be known to people. It's a person who had enormous wealth, enormous fame, and yet he's talking to himself about justice, self-discipline, wisdom, and courage. And the writing is so beautiful, so specific, and yet so universal at the same time, that there's never been a book like it before, and there'll probably never be a book like it again. Talking about Marcus Aurelius's Meditations. If you haven't read it, you must.
6:43 Speaker 00 The Stoics wrote for a long time about adversity and difficulty, and we take them at their word. What's incredible about this book, it's written by a fighter pilot who shot down over Vietnam, as he is parachuting down, knowing he's going to be taken prisoner, knowing that he very well could die, this man says to himself, "I am leaving the world of technology and entering the world of Epictetus." What he's doing then is testing the doctrines of Epictetus in a laboratory of human experience. James Stockdale spent seven-plus years in what now is called the Hanoi Hilton. He's locked in solitary confinement, he's tortured as Epictetus was, and yet, all the time, he's focusing on what Epictetus talked about, that a podium in a prison is each a place. In any of these situations, good or bad, we have a certain freedom of choice, and what will we do with that choice, who will we be with that choice? This book, by James Bond Stockdale, Medal of Honor recipient,
7:26 Speaker 00 who's on to be an admiral, he's this heroic figure who comforts the other prisoners, who helps steel their will and make them determined and strong. It's called Courage Under Fire. It's an exploration of the Stoics in one of the most difficult circumstances you could possibly imagine. That's why it's worth this very short, very brief, very life-changing read. The author of this book says that everything can be taken from us, and in fact, everything was taken from him: home, his livelihood, his work. The original manuscript of this book is lost. He loses his entire family in the Holocaust, and nearly loses his own life. In Man's Search for Meaning, Viktor Frankl says, "Everything can be taken from us, but our ability to choose our attitude in any set of circumstances, to make our own way." This is the essence of Stoicism, that we don't control what happens to us.
8:10 Speaker 00 Even something as cruel and awful as the events of the 20th century, we choose how we respond to it. Suffering is inevitable. We also have the ability to find meaning in suffering, to grow from the suffering. This is one of the most beautiful and inspiring books ever written. There's a reason, sold millions and millions of copies. If you haven't read Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning, you absolutely should. My aunt gave me a copy when I graduated from high school. I've read many times since. One of my absolute favorite books. You have to read it.
8:36 Speaker 00 We all know that we're mortal. We all know that nobody lives forever. And yet, we're perpetually caught off guard when we lose someone. Where even the most stoic amongst us get overwhelmed by grief and sadness and loss. And this is true for the Stoics themselves. Seneca, again, we portray the Stoics as unfeeling and unemotional. Seneca writes three incredibly moving essays on the topic of grief. They're called his Consolations. He writes one to his mother, actually has nothing to do with death, when he's unjustly exiled. And then he writes two to friends who are grieving someone that they lost. And Seneca is incredibly kind and thoughtful and patient.
9:19 Speaker 00 He totally disproves this notion that the Stoics just stuff their emotions down. He's saying, no, you should process those emotions, deal with them, try to apply some logic and reason to them. He has this beautiful passage in one of them where he's saying like, look, you're grieving your father, but your father loved you. Do you think your father would want his memory to drive you to tears and sadness? No, he would want you to be happy. He would want you to feel good. He would want his memory to bring that emotion out in you. And so this is the kind of stuff that Seneca talks about in his Consolations essays, which until relatively recently couldn't be found in one place. I would have to just link people to where they could find them online. But Chicago University Press put out this new edition called Seneca: Hardship and Happiness,
10:04 Speaker 00 and it's got a bunch of Seneca's best essays. It's got his Consolation to Marcia, Consolation to Helvia, that's his mother, Consolation to Polybus, Polybius. And then it's also got his essay on the shortness of life, which of course touches on the topic of grief as well. It's got a bunch of other essays from him, including one on happiness, right? The point of Stoicism is not to grit your teeth and just grind through life. No, it's to find happiness and joy despite all the things that are happening. So whenever I know someone that's going through something really tough or difficult, when they're grieving, when they've lost someone or something, this is the book that I tend to point them to.
10:45 Speaker 00 People ask me how I managed to read so much. The answer is, it's my job. That's my secret advantage. I spend a lot of time doing it. I'm on the road right now, in a hotel room, and I'm spending all my time reading. I realize not everyone has that luxury. What's important, though, is you get ideas from books. And that's where today's sponsor, Shortform, comes in. Shortform has the world's best summaries of all the bestsellers and classics and nonfiction books you could possibly want to read. They have seven different titles from me on Shortform, so if you've been wanting to check out something from me, maybe that's a good place to start. There's a one-page summary of every book and then a deeper dive into all its main points. They've got books on philosophy, productivity, life advice, career advice, business advice, leadership advice, and so much more. There's even a summary of the works
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11:56 Speaker 00 The problem with most philosophy books is that they focus on what the philosophers said. This, of course, is all very interesting and can be important, but what really matters is what the philosophers did, who they were, how the ideas were applied to their life. Actually, the Stoics talk about not having much respect for the so-called pen and ink philosophers, just the writers. They were interested in the doers, how they lived up to the ideals. And some of the Stoics did a great job. Marcus Aurelius, he's not corrupted by absolute power. Look at Epictetus surviving slavery and exile and torture. And then there's Stoics like Cicero or Seneca, who wrote very beautifully about the ideas but then failed to live up to them. And that's the premise of Lives of the Stoics, The Art of Living, from Zeno to Marcus Aurelius, which I happen to know the author of. As I put together this book, what I was thinking about was really that question.
12:39 Speaker 00 How and when did their actions speak louder than their words? What can we learn from their examples, not just their ideas?
12:48 Speaker 00 This book has a weird title. It's a word you wouldn't recognize. It's a word you don't immediately know how to pronounce. And it translates in a kind of a strange context. But basically, it means a defensive weapon. It means at hand. And talking about Epictetus's Incaridion, the handbook, which was seen as a defensive weapon against adversity and difficulty and the blows of fate. This is something that Epictetus would, of course, know himself quite well. Epictetus was born a slave. He endures incredible adversity and difficulty. He's tortured. He walks with a limp his whole life. He serves in the corrupt, decadent court of Nero, and then is eventually exiled. But from all this difficulty and adversity,
13:31 Speaker 00 Epictetus cultivates a life of resilience and strength and fortitude and honor. This is a new translation by Robin Waterfield. It's got all this stuff in here. But if you haven't read Epictetus, you're doing yourself a disservice. You're not as strong or as well armed as you could be. So you must read this book.
13:50 Speaker 00 The guy that wrote this book knew a thing about hardships. He's exiled four times. He lives in a brutal time to be alive. He's persecuted by tyrants. He saw some of the worst things that people do to each other. And so when he says that we should disdain hardships, this is Musonius Rufus, known as the Roman Socrates. When he says that we should disdain hardships, he's not saying that we should avoid them, should run away from them. He's saying that we should look at them with a sneer or a smirk in the sense that we're better than them, that we're challenged by them, but we don't shy away from this challenge. One of Musonius Rufus's greatest students was Epictetus, who would go on to shape Marcus Aurelius.
14:32 Speaker 00 But his most famous line was a guy who knew about hardship, and he knew about overcoming them. One of his great lines, he said, "If you accomplish something good with hard work, the work passes quickly, but the good endures." And then he says, though, "If you do something shameful in pursuit of pleasure, you take the easy way out. The result doesn't last long, but the shame endures." And most of all, he said, We earn respect of others by earning the respect of ourselves, by disdaining hardships, by conquering them, by doing the hard work. And that, in this little book, which has only recently been retranslated, you learn all about the teachings of one Usionius Rufus, the Roman Socrates, and how this great thinker shaped Epictetus,
15:16 Speaker 00 who in turn has been shaping people for thousands of years since.
15:22 Speaker 00 It really should have been an incomprehensible life, totally boring way of thinking. The most powerful man in the world, ahead of an enormous army, living 2,000 years ago, totally different time, with totally different customs. What was his perspective on life? It sort of baffles us. And yet, when you read Marcus Rilis, you find that there's something very relatable. Despite all the pressures and temptations and everything that he faced, he had a really unique worldview. He thought about things in a way that was both peculiar and unique to his extraordinary circumstances and then also incredibly applicable for all of us. That's why I love this book by Donald Robertson, How to Think Like a Roman Emperor. It's a biography of Marcus Rilis and meditations, but really, it's trying to put ourselves in the shoes of this guy, a guy who's worshipped as a god in his own life. You see statues of him all around. He has incredible power, incredible responsibility. He's trying to stay sane in the midst of all that.
16:07 Speaker 00 He survives through it. He's great inside of it. And that's the idea in this book, The Stoic Philosophy of Marcus Rilis by Donald Robertson. I've interviewed him before. He's a great guy. He's really thoughtful and you can tell really loves the subject of the book. So if you're looking to read a book on Stoic philosophy, definitely recommend this one.
16:24 Speaker 00 This is a very short book, but actually makes a pretty controversial argument. It says it isn't that life is short, although it can feel that way. It's that we waste a lot of it. One of the greatest philosophers in the history of the world writes this essay. It's called On the Shortness of Life. But he argues that life doesn't have to be short. Life is long if you know how to use it. That was Seneca's argument. And here, in these pages, is one of the greatest arguments for the most important thing that you have to grasp, which is that you're here for only a finite amount of time. And how you use that time, how you value that time, how you grapple with the fact that you don't know when it's going to be up. You don't know if you're given a ton of it, just a little bit of it, is one of the most important, impressive philosophical questions. Seneca knows this well because he himself, although he lives to be pretty old,
17:09 Speaker 00 is tragically and violently put to death by the Emperor Nero. Years earlier, he almost died from what we think was tuberculosis. So Seneca's On the Shortness of Life, one of the greatest essays on the human experience ever written. If you haven't read it, you absolutely must.
17:26 Speaker 00 This guy said that basically, almost all the study of ancient philosophy gets it wrong. That we're thinking about the ideas, we're thinking about the writing, we're thinking about the theory, when in fact, what philosophy was, was a series of spiritual exercises. Notes, discussions with the self about how to solve problems of life. This is Pierre Hadot, he wrote this great book on the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius, called The Inner Citadel, and he wrote this other book called Philosophy as a Way of Life, which is really drilling down on some of the ideas in this book. He's saying that when Marcus is writing Meditations, he's not thinking of you and I at all. He's thinking of himself and the problems he's dealing with in his actual life. Marcus isn't trying to explain all the ideas or the insights of Stoic philosophy. He's trying to work on the very specific parts of Stoic philosophy that he is dealing with. People would say that Marcus Aurelius repeats himself too much in meditation, or that he's hard on himself.
18:10 Speaker 00 Well, he's hard on himself about the specific things that he's struggling with. Hadot reframes and reimagines Meditations as a set of spiritual exercises, philosophy as a way of life. Marcus Aurelius wasn't making philosophy for you. He was philosophizing to himself. And I think these are two important Stoic books that everyone should read.
18:29 Speaker 00 So where should someone start with the Stoics? That's a tough question, right? Should they read this translation or that translation? Should they read Seneca, or Marcus Aurelius, or Epictetus? It's hard to know where to start. I feel like I got so lucky that I just happened to get the right translation from the right Stoic, Gregory Hayes' translation of Meditations, off Amazon, at the right time in my life. But maybe I picked up some antiquated translation of Epictetus, and my whole trip down this wonderful rabbit hole might have not worked out. So that's actually what I tried to do in this volume. This is the only time and place that all the Stoics, not just the big three, but a number of the lesser-known Stoics, have been in one book at one time. For eight years ago, we published The Daily Stoic. It's one page a day with one of the best quotes from the Stoics,
19:14 Speaker 00 and then a riffing on that quoted, an analysis or an explanation, a story that illustrates that idea. When I wrote it, I didn't know how it would do. You know, eight years later, it was sold millions of copies, spent weeks and weeks on the bestseller list, be translated in something like 40 languages. But that's the power of Stoicism. All I did was add in an organizational layer that's had this huge impact. And then, we even have a desk calendar version too, which you can check out. Actually, what's today? I'm a little behind, I was out of the office. Today's the 17th. Do away with opinion that I am harmed and the harmed is cast away. Do away with being harmed and harm disappears. Marx was talking about how our perceptions change what's happening to us.
19:57 Speaker 00 And if we don't feel like we've been insulted, hurt, disadvantaged, well, in a sense, we haven't been. So that's the Daily Stoic, which if you're looking for something to start with the Stoics, this might be helpful to you. I hope you like this video. I hope you subscribe. But what I really want you to subscribe to is our Daily Stoic email. One bit of Stoic wisdom totally for free to the largest community of Stoics ever in existence. You can sign up at dailystoic.com/email. There's no spam. You can unsubscribe at any time. I love sending it. I've sent it every day for the last six years and I hope to see you there at dailystoic.com/email.
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