Ashley Flynn | What Happened Before Caleb Flynn Called 911? (Part 3)

In the early morning hours of February 16th, 2026, Ashley Flynn was shot and killed inside the home she shared with her husband, Caleb, and their two daughters. Caleb told police that someone had broken into the house, murdered his wife, and disappeared. Up until that night, Caleb’s life had been deeply intertwined with Ashley’s. They had been married for fifteen years. They were raising two daughters together. They attended church together. Caleb worked for Ashley’s father, was close with her family, and had spent years building a life that was connected to hers in almost every possible way. But investigators would soon discover that there was another version of Caleb Flynn’s life. One that Ashley did not fully see. A secret relationship. Thousands upon thousands of messages. Lies, hidden accounts, deleted conversations, and a second life running parallel to the first. And as police began pulling those two lives apart, they also began uncovering something else: the story of what Ashley had been seeing, questioning, and trying to make sense of in the months before she died.

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• 0:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:15Derrick Levasseur?

  And I'm Derek Levasseur.

• 0:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  And today, we are jumping into part three of the Ashley Flynn case. Now, in part two, we watched Caleb Flynn make promises to two women that could not exist in the same future. To Aaliyah, his mistress, he insisted that he hated his wife and was finally going to leave her. To his wife, Ashley, he was still saying, "I love you," discussing dates and accepting her care as she tried to understand what was happening in their marriage. We followed the missed deadlines, Caleb missing his deadlines to leave Ashley, the escalating demands from Aaliyah, and the efforts to erase the messages that exposed their affair. We also examined Aaliyah's Florida trip, where she said her phone was damaged and her laptop disappeared, leaving questions that we'll return to. And we left off on Valentine's

• 1:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Day, when Caleb found a way to draw Aaliyah back into the conversation and back into his bottomless void of narcissism. So, within two days of Caleb and Aaliyah reuniting, Ashley Flynn would be dead. And in part three, we're going to follow those final conversations into the Flynn home. The night Ashley was killed, the call Caleb made to 911, and the evidence that would tell investigators what happened while their two daughters were just down the hall.

• 1:32Derrick Levasseur?

  I have to tell you, before we start, two things. People are really loving your dramatic readings of the text messages. People are getting a kick out of that.

• 1:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't think they're dramatic. I think that's the way that they meant them to be sounding.

• 1:45Derrick Levasseur?

  People agree with you. They think it's pretty much spot on. The second thing I wanted to bring up to you that I have not, that I have not asked you about off camera, I was going through our YouTube comments this past week, and someone brought up an interesting question and, and theory that I hadn't thought about, and maybe you have. They insinuated that maybe Caleb wasn't necessarily feeling Aaliyah out because he was contemplating killing her, rather, he was trying to manipulate her into killing Ashley herself.

• 2:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  I saw that. I saw that comment, actually.

• 2:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, all right. What do you think about that?

• 2:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't know.

• 2:26Derrick Levasseur?

  I raised an eyebrow, because then I started replaying all the text messages you read to us from that perspective, in that context. And I was like, oh.

• 2:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  But how is Aaliyah going to kill Ashley?

• 2:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Who knows? I mean, she's around her. She sees her here and there. I mean, she could drive by the house when he's not around, he's on a trip. I'm just saying, it's a little bit more of a stretch, but I will say, kudos to the person who said it. I apologize for not writing your name down. It's an interesting theory. I like where your head's at.

• 2:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think maybe they were both trying to manipulate the other to take some action. I don't know, but.

• 2:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely.

• 2:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's possible. I wouldn't put it past him or her. So, I mean, now we're kind of at this point in the no-contact period, right, between Caleb and Aaliyah, which happened between roughly January 12th and February 14th of 2026. So Caleb, during this time, would sometimes message Aaliyah and like, put out feelers, but Aaliyah did not respond. She also seemed to be trying to move on from Caleb and see what else was out there for her. We know that Caleb wanted Aaliyah to be completely faithful to him while he remained married to someone else. He wanted her to stop talking to other men, stop forming connections,

• 3:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  and keep waiting for a future he repeatedly promised but never delivered. He expected the exclusivity of a committed relationship from Aaliyah while being married to and living with his wife, Ashley. And as much as I'm not an Aaliyah fan at all, we can understand her frustration with that, right? Where she's like, "You're getting mad at me because I'm following someone on Instagram, but you're married."

• 4:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Or giving someone a hug?

• 4:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, you're married to a woman and you live in the home with her, and all I have is evidence that there's nothing happening between you two, is you telling me that, which is what you would do, is what you would say to me. So, the possibility of Aaliyah meeting someone else clearly threatened Caleb. Someone her own age, someone she could date openly, someone who wouldn't need to explain every family holiday or promise once again that he was finally leaving his wife. Caleb had a marriage and two daughters, responsibilities that would remain part of his life even if he divorced Ashley. Yet, he wanted Aaliyah to organize her life around him as though he were already available to build that future with. And he makes it seem kind of like, "Yeah, go and find yourself and live your

• 4:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  life. I am nothing." But it's always like a guilt thing, like, "Feel bad for me." It's not very genuine, like, "I care about you, and you, you deserve to move on, and I can't give you what you need, and I understand that. And so, I am encouraging you to go and move on, and I'm going to stop responding to your messages." Because if Caleb really wanted Aaliyah to go and live her life, he wouldn't be talking to her and messaging her every day, right? So Caleb's jealousy became something he expected Aaliyah to manage. She was supposed to reassure him, explain her interactions, and unfollow men he considered threats. Meanwhile, he was still going home to Ashley, and the contradiction never seemed to stop him from demanding proof of Aaliyah's loyalty. And those demands extended beyond

• 5:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  their conversations, because Caleb was taking private actions behind the scene to monitor Aaliyah, as well as to monitor his wife, Ashley. So, on the stand, Aaliyah Botner alleged that Caleb went through her phone often when they were together, and apparently, he was accessing her social media accounts when they weren't together.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  During the relationship with the defendant, what abnormal activity did you notice with your Instagram account?

• 6:02Speaker 03

  I noticed that someone kept hacking into my Instagram. So, on my email, I kept getting alerts that someone was hacking into it, and it was always a chip city location. And also, somebody was liking a lot of pictures on different people's profiles that I wasn't liking, such as guys that Caleb thought that I had feelings for.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  What did you think was happening with your Instagram account?

• 6:37Speaker 03

  I thought Caleb was hacking into my Instagram.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  How would he have done that?

• 6:41Speaker 03

  He knew my password at first.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Why didn't he know your password?

• 6:45Speaker 03

  He asked me what the password to the CLC laptop was, and I told him. So, he just assumed and guessed, I think that he assumed and guessed that that was the same password to my Instagram. He would search my phone a lot. When I was singing on stage, my phone would be sitting in my office, and he would get on my phone, look through it. I knew that it was him that was hacking my phone the whole time.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Did you have conversations with him about it?

• 7:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  And what did he say?

• 7:11Speaker 03

  He always denied it.

• 7:13Derrick Levasseur?

  So basically, anybody who had a full set of hair, they were out. Delete. Blocked.

• 7:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well.

• 7:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Look at this guy with his luscious locks. Blocked.

• 7:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's deleting or blocking, but also like, liking other pictures. And I think he would then go to Aaliyah and say, "Oh, you liked this person's picture." And she'd be like, "I didn't do that." Maybe he was trying to start a fight, or maybe Aaliyah's not even being honest, and she liked those pictures. And then he just found out about it when he got into her Instagram.

• 7:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that would be, oh, that's a no, wow, yeah.

• 7:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because you can hit the My Activity if you go. Listen, I know how Instagram works and how you can find things that people don't want you to see, because you can't go and see who, what everybody's liked, or what reels they like, or what posts they like, or even what they're responding to in stories. But you can, in Instagram, if you go to My Activity, and it'll show you everything they liked, every story they responded to.

• 8:10Derrick Levasseur?

  I didn't like that hot guy's photo.

• 8:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I think.

• 8:12Derrick Levasseur?

  With no shirt on.

• 8:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. I think like, he's sitting there in the courtroom, and she's still trying to like, convince him that she didn't like those pictures, you know?

• 8:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Be a little like, superficial for a moment. I just, take away all the context, everything we're seeing. Like, I get that he's like, a local celebrity, and I put that in like.

• 8:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  I guess, yeah.

• 8:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Air quotes, but you would think she would have chosen to be with someone who, more her age, not married, better looking.

• 8:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  You would think, but there's something wrong with her.

• 8:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

• 8:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know what I mean? Like, you chose a very unhealthy, toxic dynamic. When you're young, attractive, talented, you could have gone out into the world and found somebody who didn't have this baggage of children and a marriage. I mean, she's like, "I don't want your wife to be around after you divorce her." You can't date a married man and then expect his wife to vanish after he gets divorced.

• 9:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, especially when they have kids.

• 9:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  If that's what you want, you're, you're going after the wrong man, right? Just logically. But there's something wrong with her, where it's almost like, "I want to go after this hard-to-get man. Like, I need to prove I can win this also, right? It's like, I won him. I need to go after somebody I know has somebody else, because then it means I'm better than her if I win." And that's for her own self-confidence, I guess, that she clearly doesn't have any of. But Aaliyah also testified about receiving messages from an account with the name Derek Hammett. And this was an account that had sent messages to Aaliyah on November 5th and November 7th of 2025. Aaliyah said the person sending

• 9:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  the messages, who was posing as Derek Hammett, had asked her in a private message to go on a date, but she never responded to the message. Now, the evidence showed that this Derek Hammett account was registered on November 5th. It was created on Caleb Flynn's cellphone. Pictures used on the Derek Hammett Instagram account had been screenshotted from the account of a person named Jared Long, an account that Caleb followed. And the same day, a picture from Jared Long's account was posted on the Derek Hammett account, the same image was found to have been stored on Caleb's iPhone. And the IP address for that account, the Derek Hammett account, was traced back to the residence of Todd and Jill Smith, Ashley's parents, which is the same address as the family business where Caleb worked.

• 10:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  So basically, Caleb's at work, and he's like, "I'm going to catfish Aaliyah." And he makes up an account, which anybody with any.

• 10:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Knowledge of social media would know I'm getting a message from this account that was just created. All the pictures on this account have been posted within this 24 hour period. This is my weirdo boyfriend who's married Caleb, trying to like trap me to see if I'm gonna talk to this Derek Hammett guy and accept a date. He's trying to catch me in something. So she didn't respond. Not because I think Aaliyah was like, oh, I don't want the attention. She knew it was Caleb the whole time.

• 11:12Derrick Levasseur?

  She's like, hi Caleb.

• 11:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 11:13Derrick Levasseur?

  How are you?

• 11:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's what she should have responded. But the last time the account accessed Instagram was November 16th, 2025. That same phone used to create the Derek Hammett account, Caleb's phone, was also used to access the Instagram accounts of Aaliyah Botner and Ashley Flynn. So Aaliyah says Caleb was hacking into my account. Caleb was not hacking into your account. He was logging in because he knew your password. And she also gives this excuse of like, oh, he must have guessed it was the same password as the CLC laptop, which happens to be the same laptop that Aaliyah lost after her trip to Florida. Right? But why would you give him the password to your CLC laptop? Why would you give him that?

• 11:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Especially if it's the password you use for everything? Why would you willingly give that to him? And a lot of people think that Caleb and Aaliyah were using the CLC laptop to kind of like communicate with each other.

• 12:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Intermediary, where there was no exchange of communication, it would all be on one device.

• 12:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  It would all be on one device, like maybe in the Notes app or maybe.

• 12:17Derrick Levasseur?

  And who would expect the church computer?

• 12:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Who's gonna look into that? Especially because it's password protected, right? So that is a theory that people have, which is why Aaliyah wanted to get rid of the laptop because everything you do, even if you're just writing in the Notes app, or even if you're just pulling up a blank document and maybe sending messages to each other back and forth in there, that's all still going to be somewhere on that hard drive. So it's better to get rid of it altogether. So the last time that Caleb's phone accessed the account of his wife Ashley was February 13th at 1:44 a.m. Caleb also had Ashley blocked on his own Instagram account, but Aaliyah was openly following Caleb on Instagram. Then

• 13:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  in Caleb's email, we find that Caleb had bought a star and had it named after Aaliyah. He'd also been paying for something called Snoop Report since September of 2025. So I think what happened is Aaliyah was like, oh, you're using my password to sign into my Instagram. She changed her password. And then Caleb could no longer access her Instagram.

• 13:22Derrick Levasseur?

  He must have been sitting at his computer punching his desk. Damn it.

• 13:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So then he probably Googled, how can I figure out if someone's Instagram following is changing? Or they've followed new people or new people have followed them? And he probably got a result for Snoop Report. Okay? Because according to the company, Snoop Report is a paid service that compiles reports about someone's publicly visible Instagram following. And according to the company, those reports can show posts that the person liked, accounts they follow or unfollow, and patterns in their interests and interactions. And then it organizes that information into weekly reports and a dashboard. And then it sends the person.

• 14:04Derrick Levasseur?

  What are we talking about here?

• 14:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know. I know. And then it sends the person who paid for it.

• 14:07Derrick Levasseur?

  I know you're relating just to Messenger, but Jesus, this is insane.

• 14:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  It sends the person who paid for it a weekly report. Like, here's your Snoop Report.

• 14:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Here's your Snoop Report for the week on your 22 year old mistress.

• 14:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  How embarrassing. How embarrassing.

• 14:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Listen, we know adultery is a big thing in this country, and there's a lot of men and women doing stuff behind closed doors. But this is just next level shit. Like, you're running Snoop Reports? You're running counterintelligence on your mistress? What are we doing, Stephanie?

• 14:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't know. I don't know. I am very uncomfortable.

• 14:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Next he's gonna hire a P I to follow her. If you tell me that.

• 14:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  He might have.

• 14:44Derrick Levasseur?

  We're closing it down.

• 14:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  He might have. I don't know. This is bad enough.

• 14:48Derrick Levasseur?

  I wouldn't be surprised at all.

• 14:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  So he's paying for Snoop Report monthly since September of 2025. And then Aaliyah goes no contact with him in January of 2026. And as of February of 2026, Caleb's dumbass was still paying for the Snoop Report. And on February 5th, he contacted Snoop Report to discuss a problem logging in. And the service responded back to him on February 8th to inform him that the issue was resolved. Okay? So they're like, don't worry, refresh everything. You'll have all your snooping reports available to you immediately. So after reading the emails and receiving the reports, Caleb would delete the Snoop Report emails from his inbox. Okay? And so even after Aaliyah had ended the relationship in

• 15:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  January, as of February, Caleb was still paying money to find out what Aaliyah was doing on social media and who she was talking to or following. So he's super jealous. Now, what he was doing in Ashley's Instagram, I don't know. Maybe he wanted to see if Ashley was talking to somebody about what was going on with Caleb and Aaliyah. Maybe he wanted to see if she was maybe having some kind of relationship with another man so he could have a justification to get a divorce? Because at that point, he didn't have that. So maybe he was hoping. Because people like this who are cheaters, they project that onto their partners. Okay?

• 16:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Well, if I'm doing it, you could do it too.

• 16:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, they're also like, yeah, they're accusing you of cheating. And you're thinking, where's this coming from? And you always have to wonder, well, are you cheating? And that's why you're accusing me of this? So maybe he was like, well, maybe she's cheating too. And I can find something to hold against her. But.

• 16:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he's probably trying to go in her DMs, right? That's the one thing you can't see with a public profile is like who they're messaging on the side.

• 16:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Derrick Levasseur?

  And then, like you said, the activity report too. You can click on the activity tab, and it's going to give you a consolidated version of every comment or like that they made on anyone's post. So you don't have to go through every single.

• 16:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Story replies.

• 16:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Story replies as well. So you don't have to go through each individual person they're following and go through all their posts to see if she liked it.

• 16:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Exactly. So this is a very, it's a weird thing to do, though, when you're a 40 something married man and your 20 something girlfriend has told you she's all done, but you're still

• 17:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's sad.

• 17:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  trying to control things.

• 17:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's next level. There's some obvious, we know, we don't need these stories to know based on why we're covering this case, that Caleb's a sick individual, right? He's, he's a, he's a dangerous person.

• 17:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's not, he's not right in that at all.

• 17:18Derrick Levasseur?

  And it's sad to say that these behaviors, these activities, aren't even the worst things he's done. You know, like when we really get down to why we're here and the fact that he killed, killed not only his wife, but the mother of his child.

• 17:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  But also remember, Aaliyah's like, I'd always get these messages saying someone was signing into my account from Tip City. I knew it was him. He always denied it.

• 17:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course.

• 17:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  You stayed though. He's been doing it since, well, I mean, he's been paying for Snoop Reports since September, which is when I assume Aaliyah probably changed her password and he couldn't access her Instagram anymore. Which means before September of 2025, she already knew this weird dude signing into my Instagram and like, doing weird things. You know, liking people's pictures.

• 18:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Weird dude doing weird things.

• 18:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, looking at stuff that he shouldn't. This is my privacy. It's being violated. He's doing it behind my back. And she still chose to not only stay with him, but beg him to leave his wife and give him all these deadlines and talk about how much she loved him. So there's something wrong with her too. There's something wrong with her too. Because did she, was she flattered by that? Like, oh, my God, he's so obsessed with me. He's stalking me.

• 18:21Derrick Levasseur?

  So obsessed with me.

• 18:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, my God. Like, I am so amazing. Of course. Who wouldn't want to stalk me? I'm such a catch. I don't know. But either way, on February 13th, the same day that Caleb and Ashley were messaging about Valentine's Day plans and a potential dip in the hot tub, Aaliyah was making her own relationship plans. She was messaging with a man on Instagram named Gabe, and they were settling on a time and day to grab coffee and get to know each other better. The date would eventually be set for the following month in March. So did Caleb and Ashley ever get to have their romantic Valentine's Day night together, their dinner and going in the hot tub? I don't really know, because I think they may have

• 19:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  gone out for dinner on February 13th. But on February 14th, which was actually Valentine's Day, Aaliyah Botner left her apartment and headed to church because it was a Saturday, and she would sing at church on Saturdays and Sundays. Those were also the days that Caleb would usually sing with her at church. And Aaliyah testified that Caleb sent a text to her and her boss, Pastor Josh, and Caleb said that he needed to talk to them both.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  He said he needs to talk to us. So in my mind, I thought he was going to cancel Easter because he was upset that I ended things. So I personally messaged him outside of the group chat, my boss. And I said, are you going to cancel Easter? Why do you need to talk to us? He said it was because, he said it's not because of canceling Easter, it's because I'm filing free of Ashley. And I'm actually leaving her this time, something along the lines of that. And I just saw him, I was like, you know, I don't believe you. And so that night, I think I asked him, we could talk in person about it after service.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Where'd you talk in person?

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Next to the west auditorium, at a table out in the open, in a hallway.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  This was at CLC?

• 20:22Speaker 03

  At CLC. He explained to me how he already had talked to her and he told her that he was divorcing her.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  Who's her?

• 20:29Speaker 03

  Ashley. He said that she's not happy, but that he was gonna do it. And I said, you know, I don't believe you. You've said this so many times and it's never happened. And I asked him, I said, are you still willing to leave her knowing that there's a chance that I don't, I will never want to be with you again?

• 20:50Speaker 02

  How did he respond to that?

• 20:52Speaker 03

  He cried and asked me why, why I never wanted to be with him again. And I told him that I don't trust him. And that I'm moving on with my life.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  What did you tell him in a text message on February 14th regarding your future plans?

• 21:06Speaker 03

  That I had a date coming up in March.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  What did, how did he respond to that?

• 21:11Speaker 03

  He was upset.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Did he ask you not to go on the date?

• 21:15Speaker 03

  No.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  What did you say would happen if he didn't act quickly?

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Regards to you and your relationship.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  That I would never, I would never want to be with him again.

• 21:27Derrick Levasseur?

  All right. So I got a theory about this.

• 21:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right.

• 21:30Derrick Levasseur?

  I think somehow through his P I or Snoop reports, or however, he was still monitoring her stuff, because no doubt he still was. He found out.

• 21:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  About the date?

• 21:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 21:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  It is possible. And here's the thing, though, right? Aaliyah's like, he texted us in this group message. And I thought, because he was mad at me, he was going to cancel Easter. So I texted him privately outside of the group message. Why, Aaliyah? Why? What? Who cares if he fricking cancels Easter? Let this idiot cancel Easter. Let him cancel everything. Honestly, at this point, why did this make you want to reach out to him on Valentine's Day? And then Caleb's like, I'm finally free. I told her she's not happy. It's happening. And she's like, we met privately, but in a place where everybody could see us. However, in the messages between Caleb and Aaliyah, she's like, where do you want to meet? Like, should we meet in, in the open? Or should we meet in my office? And he was like, yeah, let's meet in your office, because then we can just say we were talking about the service

• 22:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  and people won't see. So I don't even know if she's being honest on the stand about where they met, because that's not what their messages say. But either way, Aaliyah, instead of hearing that he's finally leaving his wife, she's not like, well, I'm happy for you, because I know you're unhappy and you were miserable, but I'm all set. She's like, well, if you, if you know, there might be a chance. There might, even if you leave your wife, there might be a chance I won't come back. But then after February 14th, they're, they're talking all the time. So she was, this is what she wanted. When she went no contact with him, this was her last resort. It wasn't her saying, I don't want to have anything left to do with you. It was, if, if nothing I've been doing is working to make him want to leave his wife, maybe me withdrawing my presence from his life will get his ass in

• 23:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  gear. And so her plan, what I think was her plan, was working perfectly here. So on February 14th, when Caleb is staying late to talk to Aaliyah and tell her that he was finally free from his wife, and he had talked to Ashley already, and they were both aware that they were moving forward with the divorce. What was Ashley Flynn doing? Waiting at home for the husband that she was hoping she could spend some time with on Valentine's Day? What, what was happening? Because he wasn't coming home. Caleb texted Ashley, quote, hey, babe, absolute tech nightmare tonight. Zach and I just got asked to go to debrief after to try to fix things. Just letting you know, love you, end quote. So

• 23:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  that day, Ashley Googled, quote, Bible verse about God restoring what was lost, end quote. And then, like I said, Aaliyah and Caleb were back to their rapid fire texting. Caleb wrote, quote, are you sure there's nothing between you and Zach? The only, and I mean only reason I wouldn't go through with this right now is if you told me you really didn't want this, or if you have feelings for him. I know you have every right to pursue whoever you want, but seeing him sitting there with your mom and Justin buying Roxy presents, you guys have tons of inside jokes, you guys texting and him watching your dog. I'm just asking if there's something there again. You have every right to pursue him or see if there's something there. I just am asking before I do all this, end quote. So they're

• 24:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  talking about somebody else at their church, the same person that Caleb texted Ashley and was like, hey, me and Zach are staying late for debrief. That's the person that we're talking about. And Aaliyah said there was nothing between her and Zach, but quote, I have a date with someone coming up in March. I barely know him, but figured since you broke me so bad, I would do anything to distract my heart. I'd go. I doubt it'll become anything, but I do need you to know that and consider that. But I knew that you wouldn't leave her, even if you and I couldn't be a thing right away. But you deserve to know that you're about to do something huge. This literally just happened yesterday. I'm sorry if this hurts you. I've been hurt a million times worse by this whole thing. Most of it is to ease the pain and loneliness, and because I truly thought you and I would

• 25:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  never be anything again. I'm not ready to date anyone, but decided to distract. And whatever it is, I'll do for my healing, end quote. Aaliyah's like, I'm not ready to date, and I don't want to be with anybody but you, but I have to heal myself. And to do that, apparently, you jump back into the dating pool. That's how Aaliyah thinks you heal yourself. So we can kind of see why she is who she is.

• 25:40Derrick Levasseur?

  And you think part of this is to make him jealous?

• 25:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's to make him jealous.

• 25:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Of course.

• 25:44Derrick Levasseur?

  That's your take on it?

• 25:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 25:46Derrick Levasseur?

  She's dangling the carrot.

• 25:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I'm leaving my, my wife. Well, that's great. But just so you know, I've got a date. She didn't have to tell him. He doesn't deserve to know what's going on in his life.

• 25:54Derrick Levasseur?

  He doesn't have the right to. Yeah, fair. She definitely wanted him to know.

• 25:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes. So of course, she's hoping that finding out that, that the she might be moving on will make him actually follow through this time. Now Caleb thanked Aaliyah for being honest, and then wanted to know who she had a date with. And Aaliyah said, quote, not saying there's no way you can't win me back, but you waited so long that now I have a date and see what that did for you. You could have had it all on January 11th, end quote. And Aaliyah would not tell Caleb who the date was with. And he kept begging her to tell him, like, they would talk about something else.

• 26:28Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm wondering if there is a date.

• 26:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it was Gabe. Like, there was definitely evidence in Aaliyah's Instagram, but.

• 26:33Derrick Levasseur?

  So Gabe was the guy.

• 26:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. But Caleb was like, who is it? And then they would talk about something else for a few minutes. And he'd be like, Aaliyah, can you just tell me? And she was like, no.

• 26:41Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm just wondering, do you think they actually went on the date?

• 26:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, because what happens to Ashley Flynn on February 16th, right?

• 26:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  So then, Aaliyah wouldn't tell him. And Aaliyah said, she said, quote, I just know you'll stalk him, end quote.

• 26:57Derrick Levasseur?

  She ain't wrong. Snoop report, number two, coming up.

• 27:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, now Caleb's going to pay for a Snoop report and this Gabe guy.

• 27:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Is there a discount on multiple Snoop reports?

• 27:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because can I get a bulk discount on Snoop reports?

• 27:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Now I gotta stalk the people she's talking to.

• 27:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  But the fact that Aaliyah's like, I know you'll stalk this guy.

• 27:16Derrick Levasseur?

  The dynamic of that is outrageous. Like, the 22 year old telling the 40 year old man, I know you'll just stalk him.

• 27:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  And, and she's like, and I'm not saying that there's no way you can win me back. But I also know you're going to stalk people. It's like this toxic thing where it's like the more toxic Caleb is, the more Aaliyah wants him. It's just weird. Aaliyah then asked, quote, knowing this, you're still going to leave her this week, end quote. And Caleb replied, yes. He then said, quote, I don't know this guy, but I know he can't give you what I can. He can't or never will care and love you with the absolute magnitude that I can. It was real. And I have so much more to give. I don't believe love is a competition, and I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I just know the depth of what I can give you, and there's no man who can touch that, end quote. So Caleb's like, I have confidence

• 28:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  in myself. He doesn't. He doesn't. He's like, I don't care. Go out and talk to whoever you want. Don't tell me who he is, so I can't stalk him. But just know this. No man is, no man is like Caleb Flynn, and I will figure it out.

• 28:21Derrick Levasseur?

  For real, dude.

• 28:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  My stalking is unparalleled. No man can touch your Instagram the way I can.

• 28:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right. So on that note, let's take a quick break.

• 28:32Derrick Levasseur?

  We go vomit and we'll come right back.

• 28:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  We'll be right back.

• 28:39Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 31:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So basically Caleb and Aaliyah end this conversation, which is like their first conversation since they haven't talked for a month. They end this conversation about who Aaliyah is gonna go on a date with and how Caleb's gonna leave his wife. And Aaliyah's like, I'm not gonna come back to you, but also maybe I will. Maybe I will. If you play your cards right, Caleb. They end this conversation with Aaliyah being like, well, even if you leave Ashley, that doesn't mean that you'll get to be with me, but you should still leave Ashley because even being alone is better than living a fake life with her. And it's funny because Aaliyah is trying to play hard to get and acting like Caleb questioning her about her date was crossing boundaries. But then she starts demanding to know what's going on between Caleb and his wife. So

• 31:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  she's like, I can't tell you who I'm going on a date with. Like, we're not there anymore, Caleb. You'll just stalk him. And then she follows this up with basically like, so what's going on with you and Ashley? She says, quote, get your freedom. It's long awaited. You've wasted 15 years of your life. Where is she right now? And where are your girls? How are you able to text me this much? Be honest. Has she tried to talk to you today or yesterday at all? I need updates on those things, too. And all the conversations you have for tomorrow. End quote. So she's like, you're not gonna necessarily get me back. Like, I'm gonna play coy. I got a date. But then she's like, also, I need you immediately to start back where we were a month ago, when you were telling me every single minute of your day and where Ashley was and where your girls were and what's happening and

• 32:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  what's the dynamic between you two and the interactions between you two. I need updates on everything. It's been a month. I need to, to really be read in on the Caleb and Ashley front. So she's right back to where she started. The last time Ashley Flynn's parents saw her was on February 13th, when Todd took his wife and two daughters out for a Valentine's Day lunch. Ashley's mother Jill also spoke to Ashley on February 14th, and Jill told Ashley that she would take the girls that night so that Ashley and Caleb could celebrate Valentine's Day together. Now Jill testified that she and Todd did have the girls that night, but she doesn't know if Caleb and Ashley ever went on a date. And it doesn't

• 33:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  appear they did because Caleb was staying late at the church to reconnect with Aaliyah. Jill also talked to Ashley on February 14th or 15th. So this is a difficult thing. It's kind of presented differently in different testimonies, but I believe it was February 14th when Ashley held the Galentine's Day party for herself and the girls. And that day Ashley was getting ready for the special Galentine's Day party that she'd planned for just herself and her daughters. And I can't for the life of me figure out if it was February 14th or February 15th that this Galentine's Day thing happened because

• 33:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  there's different reportings of it and different testimonies of when it happened. I think it happened on February 15th, the night before she was killed, because it seemed that the girls were home. And Jill said she took the girls on Valentine's Day night so that Ashley and Caleb could have a date. But it seemed that on the night that they did Galentine's, the girls were home all night. And then Ashley put them to bed. So that's kind of where I'm at. But just understand, it could have happened on the 14th. I think it happened on the 15th. I think that maybe-

• 34:30Derrick Levasseur?

  It would make more sense to me on the 15th, just from a logistical perspective, because I'm assuming most people have plans with their significant other on Valentine's Day, which would have been the 14th.

• 34:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes. But we also know that Caleb and Ashley were talking about a date on the 13th. So maybe Jill was referring to picking the girls up that night so that Caleb and Ashley could go on their date on the 13th. And she just said it was the 14th because of the Valentine's Day thing? I don't know. But either way, when they have their Galentine's Day party, Ashley put all of her effort and attention into making Ava and Alyssa feel loved and special. She washed their hair, painted their nails. They put face masks on. They baked cookies. And they sat down in the living room to watch Cinderella together. So now we're on February 15th. Aaliyah was once again obsessed with making sure that Caleb was deleting all evidence of conversations between them. Aaliyah texted, quote, "Don't

• 35:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  forget to get a burner phone tomorrow, first thing." End quote. Because Caleb was telling her on the 15th, tomorrow, February 16th, is when it's all going down. Okay? Aaliyah would testify that on this day, the 15th, Caleb had said he was going to buy a burner phone with cash the following day, February 16th. And then he would use that phone throughout the day to text her updates while he told Ashley's family about the divorce. So as far as Caleb was concerned telling Aaliyah, I already told Ashley, on the 16th, I'm gonna talk to her family and see what's gonna happen with the job, with dynamics, but just inform them of what's going on. Now, Aaliyah was so worried that Ashley was already talking to her parents. And she said, quote, "What if she's confiding in them? I'm nervous. She's

• 36:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  getting ahead of things before you. Do you think that's possible?" End quote. And logically, if Caleb had told his wife Ashley, because he told Aaliyah on February 14th, I already talked to her about it. She understands what's happening. If he had told Ashley that on February 14th, or any time before, of course Ashley wouldn't be like, yes, Caleb, I will wait until you're ready to talk to my parents before I tell them that you're completely destroying our happy family and divorcing me and making our kids have some weird split custody household. Of course Ashley would have confided in her parents or her sister about Caleb asking for a divorce by this point. So Aaliyah's instincts are right because-

• 36:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Hundred percent.

• 36:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  In reality, Caleb hasn't told Ashley or anybody this yet.

• 36:51Derrick Levasseur?

  No. I mean, listen, we could say a lot of things about Aaliyah, but she has some common sense. She is right, for the most part, about all of this.

• 36:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, she knows how a woman works in this situation.

• 37:01Derrick Levasseur?

  She knows what he's doing. She can tell by the vibes. And I'm sure, to a certain degree, she's stalking Ashley. And she's following her to see if there's any indication of trouble in paradise.

• 37:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, like a weird Instagram story, or like sad-

• 37:15Derrick Levasseur?

  And what she's seeing is completely opposite of what Caleb's conveying to her. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, like, listen, what this woman is posting online, not only about her life, but about Caleb, isn't indicative of someone who, where there's trouble in paradise right now.

• 37:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree. So Aaliyah kept asking Caleb on the 15th, where was Ashley? And he said he didn't know. He said, quote, "The girls said douche took a mommy day and went shopping in Columbus." End quote. Aaliyah wanted to make sure Caleb knew that she still didn't trust a word he said. And she replied, quote, "Okay, I'm sure she told you that herself." End quote. Caleb said, "Absolutely not." And then he sent Aaliyah a picture of his daughters in their bunk beds. So Aaliyah would know he was in his daughter's room because she wanted to know where he was in the house while he was texting her. Aaliyah asked again about screenshots Ashley might have that proved an affair between Caleb and herself. And Caleb said, quote, "She has nothing on us. She thinks I was hacked. I will not let

• 38:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  you get hurt through this." End quote. Okay, so let's go back to earlier in the day on February 15th. Because when Caleb was telling Aaliyah that Ashley was not home and he didn't know where she was, that was a lie. Ashley did leave the house for a short period. She went to Target at 4:28 PM, but she was back home by 5:41 PM because she obviously had this special night planned with her daughters. Caleb then left home at 5:49 PM. He went to Circle K, the YMCA, and CVS. And he was texting Aaliyah at this time, telling her that he was picking up Tylenol from CVS because his daughters were sick. Caleb arrived back

• 38:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  home at 6:55 PM. And that's when he sent Aaliyah the picture of his daughters in their beds. He sent one at 8:44 PM and another at 9:10 PM. And this was Caleb showing Aaliyah what he was doing in the house so that she could be reassured that he wasn't secretly hanging out with his wife.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  He said, "Tomorrow, gonna go lift early, come back, get changed, and leave as soon as possible. And then it all goes down." I said, "I do appreciate it." He said, "You're welcome." I said, "I'm going to be praying for you every chance that I get." He said, "Thank you. That means more than you know." I said, "There's still time to change your mind." He said, "Only chance I change my mind is if you directly tell me not to do it." I said, "Well, that won't be happening. I'm completely choosing selflessness in this situation." He said that I'm not changing my mind. I've waited entirely too long for this. I've hurt you entirely too much from this. I owe this to myself and I owe this to you. I said, "I'm upset that you're in the living room. That leaves room for her to watch TV with you all when she's back."

• 39:59Speaker 03

  Did you already eat dinner with the girls? Get ahead of that. He said, yeah, I made them chicken nuggets and strawberries. I said, okay. He said, no, I would totally go in my office, but they both wanted to lay down. If she gets back and they are still up, I'll go immediately to the office. I said, this is the last time you'll tuck them in at that house. Do you realize that? He said, yes, last time I'll have to do a lot of things. Was thinking about this earlier. I said, are you thinking of that as a bad thing or sad thing? Caleb said, no, not as a bad way. I can't wait to not have to hide in this room and be free. I don't want to think of not tucking my girls in, but I'm believing it will all work out.

• 40:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Jesus, the fact that we know within not too long after he's gonna, he's gonna kill, he's gonna kill his wife. I also don't love her messages either. And I know you're the person who's usually going pretty hard on her. You've got that covered, but like, are you sure you want to do this? You know, is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's like, dude, just shut up.

• 40:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bitch, you've been begging him to do this for over a year. Stop it.

• 40:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Like, like, don't act like you give a shit about his feelings or his kids now.

• 41:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Don't act like you have some moral high ground to stand on.

• 41:05Derrick Levasseur?

  It's like you've been threatening him this whole time that, you know, if he didn't leave her, you, whatever A, B, and C were gonna happen. And now he's telling you he's doing it and you're like, are you sure you want to do this still? What'd she say, still time? Still time to back out?

• 41:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and he's like, uh, the only way I wouldn't do it is if you told me directly not to. And, and Aaliyah says, I'm choosing selflessness in this situ- you mean selfishness, Aaliyah? You spelled that wrong. That's not selfless. That is selfish. I hate you. And, and she's like, you know, this is gonna be the last time you tuck your daughters in, in that home. You know that, right? Like, are you feeling good about that? Of course he's not feeling good about that. If this was a normal situation, why would you even ask that? And he's like, it's gonna be the last time I have to do a lot of things. I don't like the way he posed that either, like tucking his children is something he has to do. And then he kind of realizes, oh, my narcissistic ma- mask slipped. And he's like, I mean, the thought of not being able to tuck them in at night is obviously hard, but get out of here, Caleb. Get out of here.

• 42:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  So at nine thirty eight PM, Caleb sent Aaliyah a picture of him in his office, his home office. And the picture shows his legs and some blankets, which I assume was an effort to convince Aaliyah that he was sleeping in his office that night. He told her that Ashley had eventually come home, but she'd gone into her bedroom without saying a word to him, and he'd stayed up watching Pollyanna with his daughters before tucking them into bed and heading to his office for the night. Once he was snuggled up comfortably on his pretend bed, Caleb and Aaliyah texted steadily until after midnight. He told her, quote, "And I've never felt anything like it either. It's why I know it's actually real and actually the deepest and most desired love anyone has ever seen, heard, or experienced.

• 42:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm terrified as well, but tomorrow it all starts," end quote. He then told Aaliyah he had a massive day tomorrow, so he was going to get some sleep. He asked her to pray for him and he promised to update her the whole time. This is why he was supposed to go get a burner phone, so that him texting Aaliyah and being like, okay, I'm at the Smith's now, and this is what I'm saying to them, and this is what they're saying to me, and this is what's going on. He was supposed to like, update her minute by minute as to what was happening using a burner phone. Caleb then asked Aaliyah if she was still with her family or was she at Pastor Jordan's? He's referring to the head pastor at CLC. So that weekend Pastor Jordan and his family were away for vacation and Aaliyah was house sitting for them.

• 43:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  And she was at her mom's house with like, her siblings and nieces and nephews before she went back to Pastor Jordan's that night. Ring doorbell camera footage at Pastor Jordan's showed Aaliyah arriving there at twelve fourteen AM on February sixteenth, and her vehicle did not leave the house again until nine fifty seven AM on the sixteenth. So this was supposed to be Aaliyah's kind of alibi, right? She's coming back to Pastor Jordan's house. She's getting there at twelve fourteen AM, and then her car doesn't leave again until the next morning. Um, and this is when she finds out that Ashley Flynn is dead when her car leaves. Aaliyah told Caleb that she was leaving her family's place soon to go back to Pastor

• 44:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Jordan's, but she told Caleb not to wait up for her because he needed his rest. And Caleb said, quote, "I want to make sure you get back safe. Sorry, boyfriend thing," end quote.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  I said, exactly. But are you second guessing anything? Be honest, this is life altering. He said, I can be vulnerable, but no, you need action and not words. So this is why I haven't said much. I said, I need both. Do you know, do you know that you need to do this? Do you a hundred percent know this is the right decision? He said, okay. Actions will come tomorrow. I have no words that express how horrible I feel. This is why I live in a state of regret. I've hurt the one who means the most to me. I need to rid myself of douche so that I can start completely free and give you all of me. No strings attached, no hindrances, no confinements, just a hundred percent all of me. He said, I want to say so much, but I won't. I pray for you still every night and, and will pray for your mind right now. Protection in Jesus's name.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  I said, thank you. Make sure you are sure about your decision tomorrow and where in your to do list are you packing your things? He said, I'm sure, but I'll let you know if anything changes, but it won't. What, he said, which it won't. I said, what do you mean you'll let me know if anything changes?

• 45:30Speaker 03

  I said, gosh, this is the same story every time. Why even say that, Caleb? He said, no. That's why I said, which it won't. Why, why? I said, why even say that? Like it's an option, like it's in your mind. He said, my bad, seriously. You have asked me several times if I'm sure and if I want to do this. And so I just responded with a poor choice of words. It's not an option. I'm sorry. I said, man, Caleb. He said, please, no, I didn't mean anything by that. I'm so sorry. I said, I'm sure, and in parentheses, but. He said, no buts. Are you in bed? I said, I'm going to sleep. He said, okay, thank you again for all your help today. I'll get a burner phone first thing and contact you from that. And then after, after every update.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  I said, haha, you really don't care about how you just made me feel tonight. Just won't, things won't change, Caleb. He said, I do. No, please, please don't say that. I said, I'm sorry, but you don't. I said, how in the world could you even have the thought of something changing tomorrow? He said, I do care. I meant nothing by that comment. It won't. I said, how could that have been said at all? He said, that's why I literally said it wouldn't. I said, I asked you if you were sure and you said you'll let me know if anything changes. That shows me that you're unsure. I'm waiting for the next excuse. He said, man, not sure. Not how I wanted to sleep the night before the hardest day of my life. We're all continuing to apologize. I'm not changing my mind. It was never a thought. I want you, Aaliyah. I want to do this.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  I want a chance. I said, just all feels so familiar. Okay. He said, you will see tomorrow. Well, actually today now. I've already made the first step and talked to her. Now it's her family, then you and Josh publicly, then Jordan. It's happening, Aaliyah. He said, thank you for everything today. Boy, I said, okay. He said, thank you for everything today. I said, you're welcome. Get some sleep and sleep in. He said, all right, I'll talk to you as soon as I get a phone. February sixteenth, day I'll never forget. I said, you're about to be free.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  He said, I choose you, Aaliyah. You're more than enough. Good night. I said, good night, praying now. He said, thank you, praying for you as well. Good night.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  What time is that? That last message was at twelve forty five AM?

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  The last time you heard from him before you found out?

• 47:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  About Asher's murder?

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 47:56Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, they're both bat crazy, but I never thought I'd be sitting here feeling bad for Caleb.

• 48:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know, and not even feeling bad for him, but almost being like, you know, and she was like, how dare you? I'm like, Aaliyah, you just told him seventeen times. Are you sure you want to do this?

• 48:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, yes.

• 48:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  As somebody who's like, big on communication and being clear, she's like, how dare you?

• 48:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Why would you even say that?

• 48:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  How dare you say, um, if anything changes? Oh, it's the same thing again. It's like, you're the one being like, make sure you want to do this. Because it's all selfish or selfless, if you're Aaliyah. It's saying, oh, make sure you want to do this. Is her trying to appear to be the good person that she wants to be seen as?

• 48:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 48:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  But it's not what she wants.

• 48:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Hundred percent. And she showed her, she showed, took off the mask, then again there, like the dude literally said, I'll let you know if anything changes. And it's like, World War Three.

• 48:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  She's, and she wouldn't let him. She's like, oh, you really don't care that you just hurt my feelings, do you? And, and I'm like, all right. And, and so when you look at this kind of exchange, who seems to be in control as far as power dynamics go? Doesn't it seem like Caleb kowtows to Aaliyah? That even though he's like, I'm kind of in the right here, Aaliyah. You just told me twelve times to make sure it's what I want to do. And I just used a bad choice of words. And she's like, but why those words, Caleb? And he's like, I just said it was a bad choi- like, no, obviously it's not gonna happen. I said, which it won't. She's like, haha, it's never gonna change, is it? It's just this exhausting dynamic that personally, just hearing it stresses me out, stresses me

• 49:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  out, because this is somebody who, enough is never enough for her. And, and then obviously their last messages, these are the last messages before they go to sleep. February sixteenth, a day I will never forget. And then Aaliyah's response is, you're going to be free, right? And then they, they do their, their, uh, whole kind of performative, I'm praying for you. Yes, pray for me. I'm praying for you as well. We're all praying for each other. We'll pray for each other night and day. And all day, Aaliyah's like-

• 49:57Derrick Levasseur?

  A lot of praying going on there, just off the phone.

• 49:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  A lot of fake praying. So Aaliyah's all day being like, okay, this is what you have to do tomorrow. Make sure you delete everything. Do this, do that. Make sure you get a burner phone. Make sure you pack your stuff before you talk to her family, because then she might not let you back in to get your stuff. Make sure you do this. And so she's asking, where do you have this on your to do list? This is a to do list she's giving him. She's telling him step by step what you have to do tomorrow. And he keeps missing steps, because she's like, repeat it back to me. And he's like, I'm gonna do this. And she's like, no, you forgot this.

• 50:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, his mind, he's preoccupied.

• 50:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  He already knows what he's doing tomorrow. And it's not leaving Ashley or asking for a divorce.

• 50:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Nope.

• 50:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  So let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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• 52:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So according to data from both Caleb and Ashley Flynn's phones, here's what was happening at the Flynn home that night. After 11:00 PM, there was no step data on Ashley's phone, meaning she was no longer up and moving around. She was most likely in bed. Her phone was then plugged in and locked at 11:20 PM. At 12:22 AM on February 16th, Caleb used his phone to search up, quote, "best cough medicine for adults," end quote. And then roughly 20 minutes later, at 12:45 AM, he sent his last message to Aaliyah Botner. Between 1:01 AM and 1:02 AM, the GroupMe and Instagram apps were deleted from Caleb's phone.

• 53:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  His phone was then plugged into charge at 1:06 AM and it locked at 1:07 AM. At 1:19 AM, Caleb's Apple Watch logged 18 steps. At 1:33 AM, a heart rate reading was recorded from Caleb's Apple Watch. It then logged 34 steps. And between 1:52 and 1:56 AM, it logged 21 more steps. At 2:10 AM, the Apple Watch logged its last heart rate reading. At 2:17 AM, Caleb's AirPods connected to his phone as an audio source. According to trial testimony, since Caleb's phone was locked at the time, the only way the AirPods could have connected as an audio device was from the AirPods being pulled

• 53:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  out of the case and put into someone's ear.

• 54:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely.

• 54:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then between 2:18 and 2:28 AM, Caleb's Apple Watch logged 105 steps. And keep in mind, this is at a time where he's going to tell the police he was sleeping.

• 54:13Derrick Levasseur?

  That's not gonna go, that's not gonna go well.

• 54:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep, and after 2:28-

• 54:16Derrick Levasseur?

  These idiots would think that they're wearing an Apple Watch while doing all this.

• 54:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so he plugs his phone in and locks it. So he's like, I'm good, but no. So after 2:28 AM, the Apple Watch stopped logging anything, and it was testified to at the trial that this is likely because the watch was taken off. Between 2:23 and 2:30 AM, Caleb's iPhone audio source changed eight times, from his AirPods to the iPhone speaker. And then at 2:30 AM, Caleb's iPhone unlocked and he called 911. So I'm gonna play the 911 call, but before I do, let's talk about this series of events. Ashley's in bed and probably going to sleep at 11:20 when her phone's plugged into charge.

• 54:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then at 1:01 AM and 1:02 AM, Caleb is deleting apps off of his phone, GroupMe and Instagram. He deleted ChatGPT off of his phone, I believe, February 14th. And then his phone locks at 1:07 and it doesn't unlock until he calls 911. And then he's got all these steps, right? 18 steps, and then 34 steps, 21 steps, and then over 100 steps. So people are trying to figure out, at what time is this murder happening? At what time does the murder take place? Was Ashley killed shortly after she fell asleep around 11:20 PM?

• 55:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  And Caleb's still talking to Aaliyah and building his alibi? Or is she killed during this time when we see him start to move around, right? Maybe during the, the first steps that were taken, even after his, his phone locked? Maybe during the 34 steps? Because if he's in his home office, all he's gotta do now is get the gun, unless he already had it stored in his office, and then walk to the master bedroom and shoot a sleeping Ashley in the head twice.

• 56:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I, I go with the theory that there was probably a little bit of staging going on before calling law enforcement. And I do think the AirPods disconnecting and connecting multiple times may be an indication of that, where he's, he's doing his last-minute staging, making it look like, like they were in bed, or whatever he's doing, right? Making sure there's nothing out, out that could incriminate him. Oh, I gotta take off my watch because I probably wouldn't be wearing that while I'm sleeping, right? All these things. And then the AirPods, you know, if you have them in your hand, even if you're opening the case sometimes and you pull, they start to like, if they start to dislodge from the case at all, it'll connect and disconnect. And I've had times where I don't want it to switch over to my AirPods and it does.

• 56:56Derrick Levasseur?

  So he's probably at that point, almost rehearsing the 911 call. And he's trying to decide if he wants to do it from his AirPods or from speakerphone or from the actual microphone of the phone itself, what's gonna sound more realistic? Again, this guy is a singer slash artist. I'm sure he put some thought into this aspect of it, although he definitely messed up on a lot of other things.

• 57:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, people are wondering, was he listening to music? Was he listening to Aaliyah's song in his AirPods while he was doing this to Ashley or staging the scene?

• 57:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that could be a two, but I definitely think, more than likely, Ashley had been dead for probably at least, I would say, 2:18? Yeah, something around there, maybe 2:10, the 2:10 timeline? But she had been dead for at least a half hour, maybe longer. It's also possible, like you said-

• 57:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  You don't think he, he shot her and then called 911 right away, like he said he did?

• 57:49Derrick Levasseur?

  No, no, no, no. I think he, he kills her and then now he can stage the scene and not have to worry about her walking in on it. Right? He needs time to do that after the fact, because if he's setting up a crime scene and she gets up to go pee, that ain't gonna look good.

• 58:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, I mean, keep the sequence of events in your mind, because we're going to come back to it, because not only-

• 58:08Derrick Levasseur?

  I could change, yeah.

• 58:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, not only do we have a murder, but we have a murder weapon to dispose of. So we'll talk about that.

• 58:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and the fact that Alyssa and Ava are there the whole time is unbelievable.

• 58:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's unbelievable, and they're asleep the whole time. We're gonna talk about that, but first, let's play the 911 call.

• 58:27Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Miami County, 911?

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Oh my, somebody, somebody broke into my home. Somebody broke into my home and killed my wife.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  Are they still in there?

• 58:36Speaker 04

  I don't know, I don't know.

• 58:38Speaker 05

  Okay, what's the address?

• 58:39Speaker 04

  932 County Ham Court, Pittsburgh, Ohio. Please, please hurry, please, please hurry.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  What are, what are you seeing?

• 58:47Speaker 04

  My wife is, she's got two shots to her head, there's blood everywhere. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Sir, please, please, please.

• 58:55Speaker 05

  Ma'am, I need you to take a deep breath, okay? Do you still see anybody in the house?

• 59:01Speaker 04

  No, the door to the garage is wide open. Please hurry, please. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. My daughters are here, my, my daughters are here.

• 59:11Speaker 05

  Where's she at?

• 59:13Speaker 04

  She's in the bed, she's in the bed.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  Are you with her?

• 59:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am in the room, I'm looking at her, yes, please.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  You guys have the door locked?

• 59:23Speaker 04

  We have the, the doors to the garage locked, but she's in the house, yes. Please, my god, my god.

• 59:32Speaker 05

  Where, where is that room out in the house? My partner's getting them dispatched, okay? But I need you to answer my questions so I can get your help as fast as I can, okay?

• 59:40Speaker 04

  What, what question?

• 59:41Speaker 05

  Where are you guys at in the house?

• 59:43Speaker 04

  I'm in the bedroom with her right now. My daughters are in their room.

• 59:49Speaker 05

  So you're not, you are not with the children?

• 59:52Speaker 04

  I was with the children when it happened.

• 59:54Speaker 05

  Okay, but you're not with them now?

• 59:56Speaker 04

  No, they're in their room, they're not even awake. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Sir, please, please, please.

• 1:00:06Speaker 05

  They're, they are heading that way, okay? I need you to take a deep breath for me. Are you hearing anything?

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  No, I, I rubbed her leg and said her name, she's not answering.

• 1:00:20Speaker 05

  Okay, your daughter's not answering you?

• 1:00:23Speaker 04

  I'm, no, hold on, I'm, I'm sure-

• 1:00:28Speaker 04

  What'd you say? What'd you say?

• 1:00:29Speaker 05

  Your, your daughter's not answering you?

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  No, they're in the other, they're in across the room.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  In the other, in their room.

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  Okay, are you hearing any kind of noise inside the house?

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  No, no, her face is, oh sir, her face is white as could go, it's freezing.

• 1:00:47Speaker 05

  Okay, who's, who's face?

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  My wife's face.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  Your wife's face?

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  The one, yes, the one who was shot.

• 1:00:55Speaker 05

  She was, she was what?

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Shot, I said.

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  Okay, where was she shot at?

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  In the head, in the head, I hope there's blood everywhere.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  Okay, is she breathing?

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  I, I don't, no, I don't think so. Ashley, Ashley, baby, baby, please, oh my God, no, she's not.

• 1:01:17Speaker 05

  Okay, she's not responding to you?

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  Okay, do you see anybody in the house now?

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  No, it's, no, it's pitch black and the doors are locked. The doors are leading to the garage door was wide open when I ran in there.

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  Okay, do you see any kind of vehicles?

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  Um, um, no, no.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  Wait, no, the, the, the door, there's a side door in my garage door that's open by the, oh my God, oh my God.

• 1:02:00Speaker 05

  Okay, I need you to just take a deep breath for me, okay? They're getting to you as quick as they can. Is that door still open?

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  Yes, it is, yes, it is.

• 1:02:07Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  What do I do? What do I do? What do I do?

• 1:02:12Speaker 05

  Is, is, is she breathing at all?

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  I don't think so, there's, we shot to her head.

• 1:02:19Speaker 05

  If, if you are comfortable, I want you to go and find a cloth, then I want you to put a cloth on that gunshot wound, okay?

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I like a towel.

• 1:02:28Speaker 05

  Yes, like a towel, but do not apply direct pressure to it. Just put it on that blood wound, okay?

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  Just, I need you to just take a deep breath for me, okay?

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 1:02:48Speaker 05

  Just get that cloth and I want you to put it on that wound, but don't apply direct pressure to it, okay? They're coming to you as quick as they can, okay?

• 1:02:56Speaker 04

  I just laid it on her head.

• 1:02:58Speaker 05

  Okay, where are, the juveniles, are they okay? Have you checked on them?

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  They're, I haven't checked on them.

• 1:03:06Speaker 05

  Okay, can, can you go check on the juveniles for me?

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  The police is here, the police is here.

• 1:03:12Speaker 05

  Okay, uh, can you go check on the juveniles for me?

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  Wait, the cops just called, they just, they just left, they just left.

• 1:03:20Speaker 05

  Okay, I need you to go check on the juveniles for me, okay?

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  They're, they're still sleeping, they're still sleeping.

• 1:03:29Speaker 05

  Okay, you still see them breathing? You don't see any wounds on them?

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  No, no, the cops just, the cops just called, sir, sir, sir.

• 1:03:40Speaker 04

  The cop, the cop is here.

• 1:03:42Speaker 05

  Okay, I want you to, okay, open the door for him so he can get into her, okay?

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  Okay, he, he's running, he's coming to me, sir.

• 1:03:54Speaker 04

  What? I don't know, there's, the door to the garage door was wide open.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  I'm her, I'm his, her, her husband.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  Hey, ma'am, ma'am, do you see how I'm on the phone here?

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  Wide open, and I went to, and then there's a door all the way to the right, that one's open.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

• 1:04:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so, we have to talk about everything, but this was the worst possible dispatcher that Caleb Flynn could have gotten.

• 1:04:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Ma'am, ma'am.

• 1:04:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, first of all, first of all, the guy, the guy, the dispatcher did take like a few minutes to understand, and I think Caleb was frustrated because he's trying to sell his story. And the dispatcher is acting surprised three minutes into the call when Caleb says his wife's been shot again. So he said all this, and then he's like, I'm touching your leg, and he's like, who's leg? Your daughter's? He's like, no, my wife, and he's like, where are you in the house? And he's like, I'm in the bedroom, she's been shot, like, what are you talking about? So he's getting frustrated, and I don't know if the dispatcher did a little gardening beforehand, and maybe he was real chill, but it took him a minute to like, understand what Caleb was saying, even though I thought it was pretty, um, evident, yeah. Also, you did hear the nine one one dispatcher called Caleb ma'am a few times.

• 1:05:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Like multiple times, after you hear him say like, my, I'm, I'm her husband.

• 1:05:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, and when the police got there, Caleb said, I'm her wife, husband. He says, if you rewind it, you can hear him say.

• 1:05:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, I did miss that part.

• 1:05:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm her wife, and so I don't know what was going on, but Caleb is being so dramatic and trying so hard to sell this that he's being all high pitched, because apparently he thinks that's what someone would sound like. And the dispatcher thinks that he's a woman. And when we talk about Caleb's mom later, because Caleb's mom has had things to say about the, the verdict, you will see that Caleb and his mom sound exactly the same, and that's why the dispatcher thought he was a woman. But either way, let's go over what Caleb said during the nine one one call.

• 1:06:17Derrick Levasseur?

  There is, there's a lot to dissect there.

• 1:06:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep, he said he'd been asleep with his daughters when he heard these shots. He rushed into the master bedroom to find that his wife had been shot twice in the head, and he said, the garage door was wide open. Now, there's things that he's saying in this call where you're like, okay, well, he said he sees two gunshot wounds in her head, like, he's saying the garage door is open. What does all of this mean? Now, among the responding officers was Sergeant Corey Rizmiller with the TPCDPD. He was the first to arrive at two thirty six AM.

• 1:06:56Speaker 06

  The call, the report said a garage door was open, so I was looking for a garage door, and didn't see a garage door open, so I actually went by the house at first. Then I stopped, then I seen Caleb Flynn waving me down, yelling at me to come to his house. Went up to Caleb, Caleb said that, you know, his, his wife's been shot. I said, is there anybody else in the house? He said, no. Um, I explained to him, I'm still going to take a quick look around, just make sure no one else gets hurt or anything like that, so. Um, I did a quick look around before I did anything, went and checked on the victim. At that point is when I went into, um, the bedroom where the victim, Ashley Flynn, was at.

• 1:07:36Speaker 06

  Um, I walked in, no, before I walked in there, and Caleb did tell me that she'd been shot twice, and he said there were some shell casings on the ground. So I walked in there, I did see two shell casings, spent shell casings on the ground. So I made sure I didn't step on them, then I went to the victim and checked on her. And Caleb told me that the dispatcher said to put a sheet or towel, or a towel, over a victim's head. Victim, I couldn't really tell where she was facing or anything, because of the towel over her head, but she was laying in bed, on the left side of the bed. Um, when I removed the towel, she was facing towards the middle of bed, like she was on her left side with her left arm.

• 1:08:18Speaker 06

  I don't know if it was under the pillow or under her head, it was up on her, you know, I was thinking, mind, under pillows, I don't know if it was under her head or pillow, I can't remember. And she looked like she was sleeping, I mean, when she was shot, I mean, in fact, there was no, you know, startleness, I mean, in fact, she was, she was asleep, but she was shot.

• 1:08:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, so, that's obviously from the sergeant there, you can see the chevrons on his chest. Uh, one thing I wanted to double back to about the dispatcher, um, if you ever have someone with a gunshot wound, you should apply direct pressure to the gunshot wound. So the fact that he said to put a towel over her head.

• 1:08:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  He didn't say, well, the dispatcher didn't say put it over her head, he said, put it on the wound. The fact that Caleb put the towel over Ashley's head to the point where Sergeant Rizmiller couldn't even see the way she was facing, I think, is an indicator of guilt, like how these murderers cover their victims up.

• 1:09:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I'm just saying, but you gotta apply direct pressure. I think he said not to, like the exact opposite.

• 1:09:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  The dispatcher said, don't put pressure, but put it on the wound, yeah.

• 1:09:16Derrick Levasseur?

  The exact opposite of what you should do. So that was one thing, um, her laying on her side like that. Also, for me, I'm assuming at that point he hadn't seen the shell casings, Caleb wouldn't have seen the shell casings if he was a real victim. And to automatically be able to tell dispatch in that short period of time, that your, your wife, who is covered in blood, laying there on the bed, that she's been shot twice.

• 1:09:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Twice, exactly, yeah.

• 1:09:38Derrick Levasseur?

  The fact that you would know that, to me, is, is, uh, not logical. I don't see that being the case. I've seen multiple, multiple gunshot wounds to a hand. It's usually not until an autopsy where I'm able to determine how many times she's been shot through the, through the pathologist. And so they have to clean up the body, and then they can say, oh, here's another wound. So the fact that he was able to say automatically within quote unquote moments of him finding her, she's been shot twice. I think that was a spontaneous utterance and a, and an admission of guilt right there as well.

• 1:10:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and go back to the nine one one call, and the dispatcher's like, okay, your wife's been shot, the garage door's open, you're trying to tell me somebody came in. Have you checked on your daughters yet?

• 1:10:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's the other thing.

• 1:10:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Caleb said no, Caleb said no, and he's like, well, can you do it? And the dispatcher had to tell him like multiple times.

• 1:10:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Multiple times, yeah.

• 1:10:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Derek, this is you, you run in, your wife's been shot. Are you not, is one of the first things you're gonna do, turn around and go into your daughters' rooms and make sure nobody's in there and, and they're okay?

• 1:10:34Derrick Levasseur?

  So I agree with you 100%. I guess like if I were him, I would say I was in the room with them. So I knew that nobody was in there with him because I came out of that room.

• 1:10:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  But then when you come out of that room and go in the master bedroom.

• 1:10:45Derrick Levasseur?

  You're gonna go back to him.

• 1:10:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Somebody could have gone into there.

• 1:10:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I'm definitely, I either way, until law enforcement arrives, you're gonna come to a quick conclusion that your wife is, that she's dead, and you go back to the people who are still alive and you protect them until, because you don't know if the perpetrator is still in the house.

• 1:11:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  You don't know, yeah.

• 1:11:02Derrick Levasseur?

  The doors are open.

• 1:11:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  He even said that. He said, I don't know if anyone's still in there.

• 1:11:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, the doors are open, but that doesn't mean they left. That just means they came in. We don't know if they left or not. They could still be in the house.

• 1:11:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  So at the same time where you're saying, I don't know if anyone's still in here, the dispatcher has to beg you to check on your daughters?

• 1:11:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and the fact that he saw the two shell casings and pointed them out to, to the sergeant is also, that's also interesting.

• 1:11:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Ashley Flynn was pronounced dead by firefighter and EMT Alex Hules at 2:42 a.m. Dr. Brian Castro with the Montgomery County Coroner's Office performed Ashley's autopsy on February 17th at 7:10 a.m. Castro testified that Ashley's wounds were not visible at first. He described hair and brain matter and blood obscuring what he eventually determined to be two gunshot wounds. So even the medical examiner is like, until I was able to clean up her head where the wounds were, I was unable to determine how many bullet wounds there there were there present.

• 1:12:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Stephanie, I'll tell you right now, we have multiple crime scenes unfortunately where it's a stab wound or a gunshot wound. And even when it's visible in the arm or in the leg and they're wearing shorts or in the head, I have no clue. I have no clue. You, because because the clotting of the blood, I'm trying to describe this in a way that not gross people out, but the clotting of the blood on the face or on the arm, it almost looks like holes. So you look at it and you're like, I can't even tell how many times this person's been injured, like how many times they've been shot or stabbed. I'm not going to be telling my partners, hey, man, we got someone who's been shot twice. Unless it's like blatantly obvious where they they have a two knives still in their body at the same time. You just, there's no way you would have that information.

• 1:12:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so Dr. Castro is talking about blood, brain matter, hair, all of these things that are going to be factors when you're when you're dealing with wounds to the head. And Castro actually had to clean and shave part of Ashley's head to see the two entrance wounds behind her right ear.

• 1:12:59Derrick Levasseur?

  There you go.

• 1:12:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and he described those two entrance wounds as having parallel paths. Both bullets went in close together and crossed the brain roughly in parallel and came out in the same area at the left front of the head. So Dr. Castro testified that these injuries were close range and they caused extensive fractures like cracks in an eggshell, including the bone above Ashley's left eye. He said that Ashley's left eye looked somewhat blackened, like it was bruised, and he testified, quote, "When that bone is fractured, it will leak blood down into the thin skin of the eyelid," end quote. Also, an x-ray showed a bullet in Ashley's left elbow, which Castro said was a re-entry wound. A bullet came out of her forehead and went into her arm, which was under her head.

• 1:13:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  He concluded that this was because Ashley had been asleep with her arm under her head, the way Riz Miller was sort of showing us. And one pillow on the bed had a bullet hole going through it as well as brain matter. Another pillow held copper jacketting and bone fragments. The second bullet was removed from Ashley's left elbow during the autopsy and it was deformed. Two 9mm shell casings were found on the floor near some pillows at the foot of the bed and the light switch of the master bedroom had a reddish transfer stain that tested presumptive for blood. So Sergeant Corey Riz Miller testified that Officer Alexandra Giampapa of the Tip City Police Department arrived on the scene no more than 16 seconds after he got there.

• 1:14:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Unlike Riz Miller, Officer Giampapa had her body cam turned on when she walked into the Flynn house.

• 1:14:43Speaker 06

  Okay, I checked, that's right here, not now.

• 1:14:46Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:14:47Speaker 06

  Are you in the bedroom there, still asleep?

• 1:14:49Speaker 07

  Okay, have you checked, have you checked on that?

• 1:14:51Speaker 06

  The, the, 911, yes.

• 1:14:54Speaker 07

  Okay, sit, can you, you want to sit down?

• 1:14:56Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:14:57Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:14:58Speaker 06

  Is she, is she gone?

• 1:14:59Speaker 07

  Look at me, look at me, take a breath.

• 1:15:02Speaker 06

  I can't, I can't.

• 1:15:03Speaker 07

  Look at me. I need you to breathe, okay?

• 1:15:10Speaker 06

  I'm not the first one.

• 1:15:14Speaker 06

  What did I do to my daughters? What did I do to my daughters?

• 1:15:16Speaker 07

  Right now? Right now, I need you to breathe, okay?

• 1:15:22Speaker 07

  Do you have any family that you can call? Okay, where's your phone at?

• 1:15:29Speaker 07

  Do you want to call the family? Hold on.

• 1:15:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  As Officer Giampapa was trying to calm Caleb down, another officer called out to her from the garage and asked for her assistance clearing it. And in the garage, she testified seeing a bunch of shoes on the ground right in front of her. And she also saw two vehicles, a Ford F-150 truck and a Chrysler Town and Country minivan.

• 1:15:51Speaker 07

  As I got into the garage, I turned to walk towards my right. I believe there was like a mattress or something laid against the wall directly in front of the pickup truck. So I kind of walked, you know, a little bit to my side to get through that.

• 1:16:05Speaker 07

  And then I almost immediately noticed that the side man door was open with refrigerator kind of almost as if it had been pushed out of the way. So I noticed that the door was open. I said that to Officer Linkus, the side door is open. I couldn't see whether the door led outside or whether the door was like leading to a closet. I think I said that to Officer Linkus as well, using my flashlight, him as well. We were able to determine that the the door led outside. We then turned, finished clearing that side of the garage, we turned. Officer Linkus said to me, the the middle console of the truck, the glove compartment, was open.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  The center console of the truck is open?

• 1:16:50Speaker 07

  It is? Hey, is someone watching him?

• 1:16:55Speaker 07

  Somebody needs to be watching him.

• 1:16:58Speaker 07

  Are there any firearms in this house?

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  Uh, I have, I got a shotgun.

• 1:17:03Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 1:17:05Speaker 07

  Oh, I said, okay.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  A shotgun and a 22 and like a pellet gun.

• 1:17:08Speaker 07

  Okay, where?

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  And I have, I have a handgun in my truck.

• 1:17:12Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  In, in the, the glove box.

• 1:17:14Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:17:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Wow. Great job by Officer Alexandra there because here's the problem. She's just an officer and they got a sergeant there already and she's telling him about officer's safety protocol. Like she's already considering the fact that he could possibly be the shooter.

• 1:17:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:33Derrick Levasseur?

  And and he's, and she's directing people like he can't be alone.

• 1:17:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, somebody needs to be watching him, which I give her credit for, yeah.

• 1:17:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Good on her because that's, that's tough. But sergeant, the sergeant uh, definitely uh, didn't seem like he was on his A-game that night.

• 1:17:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, also, did you notice how when Caleb mentioned his handgun in his truck? Because Officer Giampapa, she's out there and they're like, hey, the the center console is open. And she's like, it is. And then they kind of are looking in there like, why is it open? What's going on? She goes back in, she's like, do you have any firearms in the house? And did you notice that when Caleb mentioned his handgun in the truck, he made a motion with his hand like he was shooting a gun twice? Let's play it again for anyone who didn't notice.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  I have, I have a handgun in my truck.

• 1:18:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Wow. Yeah, there it is.

• 1:18:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm-hmm. I think that.

• 1:18:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Not a good look.

• 1:18:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think that was an involuntary confession.

• 1:18:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Response?

• 1:18:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because Ashley shot twice in the head. I have a handgun. Okay.

• 1:18:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he's associating the shots, the handgun with the two shots.

• 1:18:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep. So the police then did a quick check into the room of Ava and Alyssa to make sure they were okay. They were still sleeping through two gunshots and the police showing up. Those two girls were still sleeping soundly. I've wondered, were they given something before bed? Like, did Caleb give them something to make sure they would sleep? Or did he use a silencer?

• 1:19:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, silencer or something to muffle the gunshot.

• 1:19:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so these are going to be questions that we we have to go over.

• 1:19:08Derrick Levasseur?

  You wouldn't expect an intruder. Well, there's a lot of things we can break down, right? Like the intruder coming into the house, going right to the bedroom, executing the woman in the bed, but yet not going to the next room to execute everybody else, then leaving back out that same door. And yet also were to believe that the the intruder used a silencer or some type of measure, whether it's a pillow or a blanket or something to muffle the sound of the gun so that the remaining people in the the house would not hear it.

• 1:19:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, because if you're just coming in to to rob this place, you don't know. Yeah, so why?

• 1:19:43Derrick Levasseur?

  This is an assassin who decided to pick a night when everyone was home to kill Ashley Flynn.

• 1:19:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  One, one church-going woman.

• 1:19:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes.

• 1:19:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Officer Giampapa then returned to Caleb and proceeded to make sure he was as comfortable as possible as he made an attempt to put on the best acting performance that he was capable of, which I think we can all admit was pretty weak. Okay?

• 1:20:02Derrick Levasseur?

  It's not good.

• 1:20:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's not good. It's lucky he had a good singing voice because Caleb Flynn did not have any future in acting. Caleb then made two phone calls, one to his mother and one to Ashley's mother, Jill.

• 1:20:20Speaker 06

  The girls okay?

• 1:20:21Speaker 07

  Yes, girls are okay.

• 1:20:27Speaker 07

  Okay, you're good. Sit down.

• 1:20:33Speaker 06

  Do I go home, I? Do I call anybody?

• 1:20:36Speaker 07

  Hold on, honey.

• 1:20:38Speaker 06

  Oh, God. Is she gone?

• 1:20:41Speaker 07

  No. Okay.

• 1:20:43Speaker 06

  Is she my?

• 1:20:53Speaker 06

  Hang up if you need some.

• 1:20:55Speaker 07

  Corey, do you, do we want to let him call any family? Or no?

• 1:21:00Speaker 06

  I don't think he has, he's okay to call, hang up, Mike. But they cannot come inside this house.

• 1:21:06Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:21:16Speaker 07

  Sit down, honey, okay? Stay seated.

• 1:21:22Speaker 07

  Are you able to to tell me her information?

• 1:21:27Speaker 07

  I know this is really difficult, okay?

• 1:21:33Speaker 07

  What's your name?

• 1:21:35Speaker 06

  Caleb.

• 1:21:35Speaker 07

  Caleb.

• 1:21:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Caleb.

• 1:21:37Speaker 07

  I'm sorry, okay?

• 1:21:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Caleb.

• 1:21:47Speaker 07

  Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. You can call family, by the way. They just can't come in this house. They're not gonna be able to come like near the house or anything like that. I'm gonna call it off. My parents live in Minnesota. Okay, before you do that, can you do me a favor? Okay? Yeah. What's her first and last name? Ashley. Ashley?

• 1:22:11Speaker 07

  What's her last name? Ashley.

• 1:22:19Speaker 07

  Mom, Mom, Mom.

• 1:22:23Speaker 07

  Nick, when you 38, 38. Ashley's dead. You were talking. No, he's just a survivor. Ashley's dead. She's dead.

• 1:22:34Speaker 07

  Someone killed, someone broke it. Just she's dead.

• 1:22:44Speaker 07

  Mom, Mom.

• 1:22:52Speaker 07

  She's gone. She's gone.

• 1:22:58Speaker 07

  It shot her. She's gone. She's gone.

• 1:23:03Speaker 07

  I was, I was with the girl.

• 1:23:07Speaker 07

  Oh my God. Oh, oh my God.

• 1:23:14Speaker 07

  Mommy, mommy. She's gone. She's gone.

• 1:23:20Speaker 07

  I can't. I don't even know yet. They're still sleeping. I don't know. I don't, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. The police are here. Why, why, why, why, why, why, why?

• 1:23:42Speaker 07

  Jill, Jill. Ashley's gone.

• 1:23:50Speaker 07

  Ashley, Ashley's gone. She's gone. Someone took it and shot her. She's gone. She's gone. Jill, she's gone.

• 1:24:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we have a lot to talk about there.

• 1:24:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, yes, we do.

• 1:24:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're gonna take a break. Quick, we'll be right back.

• 1:24:10Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 1:26:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, so we're back. You heard Caleb call his own mother. He said his parents live in Minnesota. And he's like, mommy, mommy, mommy. And then the last call you hear Caleb making is to Ashley's mother, Jill, who testified that she'd gotten the call around 3:00 a.m. When Jill heard her phone ringing at that hour, she initially thought it was her husband Todd calling because he left earlier that morning to go on a snowmobile trip in Canada with friends. And she assumed he was reaching out to let her know he had made it safely. When she heard Caleb's voice telling her that her daughter was gone, she told Caleb she was on her way. And at first Caleb told Jill that she couldn't come because the police were there, but Jill said, Caleb, I'm coming. I'm on my way. And then she hung up on him. Yes.

• 1:27:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course.

• 1:27:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now eventually Caleb got up and tottered over to the door to greet Jill. And Officer Giampapa had to go to the garage and grab him a pair of shoes because he was just a complete, absolute infant at this point. And like, I know everybody behaves differently in times of grief, but I never thought this guy was innocent, even when this was first coming out. And it just, it's kind of, he's like, becomes childlike where he can't even do anything for himself. Like the police officer has to go and get your shoes.

• 1:27:44Speaker 07

  Do you want shoes? Where are they? I'll grab them. Where are they? They're over here. Okay.

• 1:27:53Speaker 07

  Are these okay? Okay.

• 1:28:08Speaker 07

  Come on, honey.

• 1:28:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I remember when I first saw this body cam footage months ago at the time of Caleb's arrest. And I remember I was infuriated at this specific part because this is Ashley's mother. This woman's just been told that her daughter was killed. She's thrust into the role of comforting Caleb, Ashley's murderer, before she can even process what happened, before she even knows what happened. Caleb has done a lot of things that are unforgivable. For me, this falls into the top three. Falling into her arms, like, Ashley's dead.

• 1:29:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  The girls don't know. Like, and she's like, what the hell? And she's comforting the man who killed her daughter with his own hands not long before this is happening. And I just cannot get over like how traumatic and disgusting that would be to find out when he gets arrested, which is gonna be a few days after this. Oh, holy shit. Like, I was holding this man and comforting him because it keeps going. They're sitting on the stoop. She's petting him, trying to calm him down. She's lost her daughter. Nobody's comforting her because Caleb has to put on a show that he's just so distraught. He can't even stand up half the time. He's gotta fall to his knees half the time and crawl around on the living room floor and get mad when the dogs are barking because he's trying to talk to his mom, his mommy.

• 1:29:58Derrick Levasseur?

  His mommy. Can I say it right?

• 1:29:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  So at the scene, Caleb was asked to explain what had happened. Caleb said that Ashley had sent him to sleep on the couch because he had a really bad cough. And while he was sleeping on the couch, a noise from the collars of one of his dogs woke him up. You know, he said like, oh, maybe they were shaking or itching. You know how the collars kind of make noises? That woke me up. He said he then went into the room of his daughters because both of them were also sick. And he laid down with them. And then when he heard the shots, he froze. And then when he finally left his daughter's room, he saw the door leading to the garage was open. Now, I would assume that he meant the door leading from the house to the garage was open?

• 1:30:38Derrick Levasseur?

  The door, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:30:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because, you know, how else would you have seen the door leading from the garage to the outside of the house from inside the house, right? That's what I'm thinking when he's saying the door to the garage is open, but that's not what he was saying. Officers and investigators at the house that night and morning found more than a dozen things that did not fit a break-in. The front door and the windows were secure.

• 1:31:04Derrick Levasseur?

  You don't say.

• 1:31:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, there was no forced entry at the front. And the windows were locked with the exception of one, which showed no sign that anyone had opened it from the outside and climbed in. And this was actually the window in his daughter's room, which is the room he said he was in at the time. So that wouldn't have worked. Nothing had been taken from the house. Ashley's purse and phone were sitting in her bedroom. Nothing had been ransacked or moved around. No one had gone rifling through drawers. The two golden doodles, who were notorious for barking at everyone when they entered the home, even family members they'd met hundreds of times before, they never made a sound. No barking as an intruder or intruders entered the home, entered Ashley's bedroom and killed her. No barking as those same intruders retreated quickly from the house.

• 1:31:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Ashley was on her side of the bed, under the comforter, with no signs of struggle and no defensive wounds. And then there was the door in the garage. The side door, which was supposedly the way Ashley's killer or killers had gotten into the house.

• 1:32:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, this is a big one.

• 1:32:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, this was the door inside the garage leading to the outside, not the door from the garage to the house.

• 1:32:11Derrick Levasseur?

  So there was like a side man door where you could exit the garages without having to open the garage doors. So you can get outside.

• 1:32:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  The main garage door, yeah.

• 1:32:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Get outside without having to open those doors, the big doors.

• 1:32:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep, so this door was open about 45 degrees. But there was a large refrigerator in front of it that would have needed to be pushed to open it, okay? Now, the lab later found Caleb's palm print on the side of that refrigerator nearest the door. What does that tell you? Well, Caleb's gotta open that door before the police get there because he has to say the door was opened.

• 1:32:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Otherwise, it's a ghost that did this.

• 1:32:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he can't move the refrigerator because he's clearly weak. And it's a huge ass refrigerator. So he's leaning over, putting his hand on the side of the refrigerator so that he can reach over and open the door that this enormous refrigerator is basically blocking. And the police even said like, there's really no way anybody could have gotten in. If they can't, if they open the door, that refrigerator was still been blocking and they would have had to move it in order to get in.

• 1:33:15Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. So basically the door is open, but if we're trying to describe this, imagine opening the door halfway, 45 degrees would be halfway. And there's a big refrigerator there. What are you going to do? Climb over the refrigerator? That would be the only way in.

• 1:33:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  They wouldn't have been able to squeeze through, right?

• 1:33:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  But he can, he can stick his hand through. And that's why his palm prints on the side of the refrigerator, in my opinion, this is what I speculate, because he's bracing himself on the refrigerator so he can reach around it and open the door, leading from the garage to outside.

• 1:33:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he might've been able to push the refrigerator like slightly, just so he could grab at it, which is possible because you don't have to be so super strong just to like angle the refrigerator differently, but you're not going to move it far. So he might've just kicked it out a little bit. And then he leaned on it by putting his hand up there. And like you said, reached around, opened it, thinking, oh, if cops come, they're just going to assume someone was able to squeeze through.

• 1:34:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I want to kind of set the stage here. The Flynn home was a single story ranch on the east side of the roadway. Its front faced west towards the street. There was a patio behind the house on its east side and an attached three car garage, which occupied the north side of the house. But the door investigators examined, the one they were focused on, was a separate pedestrian entrance on the garage's north exterior wall, connecting the garage directly to the outside. Police found that door opened with a refrigerator positioned against it inside the garage. The exterior door handle and its surrounding collar had broken off and they were lying on the garage floor with small wood slivers between them. Outside on the concrete, between the north wall and a blue trash can, investigators

• 1:34:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  found a bent strike plate, the metal piece mounted in the frame that receives the locking bolt. A second recessed plate remained attached to the frame with offset screws, an arrangement that BCI agent Hammond would describe as apparently allowing another plate to be mounted over it flush with the wood. According to Special Agent Hammond, the damage did not have the characteristics he would ordinarily expect from someone forcing a locked door open from the outside. The soft wooden frame lacked the impressions a pry tool would typically leave behind if someone was trying to force the closed locked door open. They even applied

• 1:35:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  fingerprint powder to the exterior of the door, which revealed no shoe impression or tool mark. Investigators also closed the door to inspect and photograph the frame and weather stripping, and they found no additional indication of forced entry. The detached strike plate was substantially bent, but its beveled edge had been pushed inward rather than pulled outward, as Hammond said he would expect from forced entry with a correctly installed plate. Its two recovered screws were straight and had no wood fragments attached, unlike screws that would be forcibly torn from a wooden frame. Meanwhile, the handle's internal mechanism remained intact and firmly mounted, although the detached handle bore

• 1:36:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  a circular impact indentation. So white wood fragments found inside the doorway appeared to BCI agent Hammond to have come from the area around the deadbolt receiver. Taken all together, those observations led him to believe the damage had been inflicted while the door was already open.

• 1:36:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 1:36:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  There were some tool marks behind the deadbolt receiver in the frame, and investigators made an Accutrans cast of those marks. An Accutrans cast is a detailed silicone mold of a surface, and it's used to preserve impressions such as scratches, dents, or tool marks for forensic examination. So investigators apply the soft silicone over the area they want to examine. It fills the tiny grooves and indentations and then sets into a flexible material that can be peeled away.

• 1:37:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's something, you probably have dealt with something similar when you were playing with a playset as a kid or whatever. It's like a silicone, it's like a slime almost that hardens, but it pours like it's really thin for that purpose. So what we would use it for is to cast a tool mark impression. So if there's a screwdriver or a crowbar that was used specifically, we want to be able to use that impression later. If we happen to find burglary tools on someone, you basically would, what I would do is put like cardboard around it. If it's vertical, it's a little harder and you want to make like a bowl almost, and you fill that tool mark impression all the way up. And then you let it, you let it, you know, harden, congeal, then you can peel it right off and

• 1:37:45Derrick Levasseur?

  you can have that tool mark impression where then if you find a crowbar, right, you can take another piece of wood, try to replicate the same type of mannerism, the same type of action that would have been done on that day, and see if the two impressions, when you lift the, the, the mold from that impression, if they match. That is almost like a fingerprint verification. We would do something similar. Obviously fingerprint uses dust, but this is something that people don't hear about a lot. Same thing with dental stone. We use dental stone for shoe print impressions and tire marks. Another thing that that's a more harder substance, but these are some of the little like techniques you can use to try to replicate the scene at a later date if need be.

• 1:38:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So basically they're saying, we've seen forced entry into homes before.

• 1:38:30Derrick Levasseur?

  When you mule kick a door, it's, there's, there's, there's wood across the room.

• 1:38:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or if you use a pry bar, like they said, or some tool that would pry things away.

• 1:38:38Derrick Levasseur?

  You would have, you would have those marks.

• 1:38:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Impressions of that. They're saying this is not matching anything that we've seen. And actually, it looks like the damage to the door was done while the door was already open.

• 1:38:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep. So he's, he opens the door and then he smacks the shit out of the door, damages it, breaks the collar off with maybe a screwdriver or something to give the impression that somebody booted the door from the outside. But if that happened, depending on the configuration of the, the refrigerator, I would also expect to see some type of dent on the refrigerator itself, whether from the doorknob or from the frame of the door as it swung open and hit it. So the lack of that is indicative of somebody staging it after the fact.

• 1:39:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So that's what they're seeing. And, and they didn't even have to, um, kind of go through all this forensic stuff before they started feeling like something was off.

• 1:39:27Derrick Levasseur?

  It felt, it felt like Officer Alexandria was already, the spidey sense was already going off for her. I mean, I think she was still treating him with respect, but can I say one more thing before we continue? Because we're talking about the science of it all, and this is all the cool stuff. But let's just talk as a practical person for a second. Right now, we're being asked to believe that the perpetrator, who we don't know had, you know, knowledge of the inside of that house, chose a door on the outside of the garage, which may have led to another locked door in the, in the actual house, because it was another door. They wouldn't have known that. Entered through that door not knowing if this person had an alarm system, anything like that. And yet they went in, shot Ashley

• 1:40:07Derrick Levasseur?

  and left without being detected. So this is either a really top notch assassin, or it's someone who had a familiarity with the house, who had been there before, knew the layout, knew how to get in, knew how to get out, and had an ax to grind with just, just Ashley, nobody else. So that's what you're asked, being asked to believe at this point.

• 1:40:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes. And, and they didn't want to steal anything. Somebody who's trained to get in and get out and not have anybody hear anything or be noticed, was able to do this to Ashley Flynn. And what motive would they have?

• 1:40:37Derrick Levasseur?

  And would have also known that Ashley was going to be in bed by herself on that particular night.

• 1:40:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Even though according to Caleb, this was kind of a spontaneous thing where

• 1:40:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  He was coughing.

• 1:40:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Feeling well, and she told him to get out of the room. So that's why he wasn't in there. So again, this person would have had to have had all of that knowledge prior to ever booting the door in.

• 1:40:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  And this is going to be Caleb's kind of excuse and alibi for why he's not in the master bedroom. He had a cough.

• 1:40:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  And Ashley asked him to sleep on the couch. Okay. But in that whole body cam footage, do you ever hear Caleb cough? Do you ever hear Caleb cough?

• 1:41:06Derrick Levasseur?

  No, not at all.

• 1:41:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not once. He'll do it during the police interviews.

• 1:41:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Not a single cough. That's a great point, Stephanie.

• 1:41:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  He'll start coughing, he'll start coughing during the police interviews, but

• 1:41:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay.

• 1:41:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I think he forgot that part. He couldn't fake crying and fake coughing at the same time.

• 1:41:19Derrick Levasseur?

  He's not multi dimensional as an actor, right? He only could do a few, a few things at once.

• 1:41:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Can't chew gum and walk. All right, let's take our last break. We'll be right back.

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• 1:41:42Derrick Levasseur?

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• 1:46:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, so the police are in the garage. They're, they're like, hey, this doesn't look like, you know, what it, what it's supposed to look like. And then they're also thinking, well, if someone's coming in through the garage, they're going to have to get into the house through the door that leads from the garage into the house. So they checked that door, the door leading from the hall off of the kitchen to the door inside the house that let into the garage that was examined. And they found no signs of forced entry on either the handle lock or the deadbolt. So the way the house was laid out, if someone entered through that door, the laundry room would be on their left and they would be looking directly into the master bedroom at the end of a very short hallway. Special Agent Hammond also testified that when he arrived at the scene and went into

• 1:47:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  the master bedroom, he was not able to tell what kind of wounds Ashley Flynn had due to the large amount of brain matter and blood. Yet Caleb Flynn was immediately able to tell the 911 operator that his wife had been shot in the head twice. There was a pile of pillows and blankets on the floor in the master bedroom. It was, they were kind of like placed across from the bed in front of a dresser. And I think those were the pillows and blankets that Caleb had set up in his office to make it look like to Aaliyah that he was sleeping in there because he wasn't sleeping in the master bedroom. But either way, I think he tried to pull them out of his office and put them in the master bedroom. Once again, like you said, staging things, right? Cause he's telling the police he fell asleep on the couch in the living room.

• 1:47:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  So they might ask, why do you have pillows and blankets on the couch in your office? Ashley's phone was still plugged in on the nightstand closest to her side of the bed and inside the nightstand on the other side of the bed, that would have been Caleb's side, police found an empty AirPods case. They never found the corresponding AirPods that went in that case. Okay, never. They also found a smartwatch with a broken wristband and three boxes of 12 gauge ammunition. The boxes were full and it didn't look like any of it had been used. They found a Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun and a Western Field 22 gauge rifle inside the master bedroom closet. They were not loaded.

• 1:48:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  The side of the bed that Ashley was not sleeping on gave the police and detectives no impression that someone had been sleeping there, meaning the blankets weren't messed up. It didn't look like Caleb had ever been bed with Ashley that night. A black Apple watch was found on the kitchen counter. And there's more we need to talk about, but I just need everyone to understand right off the bat, law enforcement on the scene felt immediately that something was not adding up.

• 1:48:54Speaker 04

  There's like a door on the side right there. It's open. The, the center console truck's open and that's where he said he keeps his gun, so.

• 1:49:05Speaker 06

  Who shot?

• 1:49:06Speaker 04

  The wife.

• 1:49:09Speaker 06

  In the same room?

• 1:49:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. In her bed, in the bed.

• 1:49:14Speaker 06

  He in here?

• 1:49:16Speaker 04

  I, I didn't, I haven't talked to him. Cory's the one I was talking to.

• 1:49:20Speaker 06

  Where is he at?

• 1:49:22Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 1:49:22Speaker 06

  Now, we need to make sure we take a log of who goes in and out of the house.

• 1:49:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:49:26Speaker 06

  Need to, at some point we need to talk to him, but wait till Mike gets here.

• 1:49:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:49:30Speaker 06

  Cause what's the timeline here?

• 1:49:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:49:32Speaker 06

  How long, how long? I mean, she looks like she's been gone for a while.

• 1:49:35Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:49:36Speaker 06

  I mean, from what I could tell, I mean, where is he at?

• 1:49:38Speaker 04

  We haven't talked to him. Do you want us to wait?

• 1:49:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm waiting to talk to him. Yeah.

• 1:49:43Speaker 04

  Wait for?

• 1:49:44Speaker 06

  Till they, they're, they're always going to do it now, security, that's it. As we're, as we're getting here, the husband's here, the wife's been shot in bed. As we're getting here, the dispatcher tells us that the female, it's named in bed, has been shot in the head. So we get here, husband's in the stairwell. I know you're not certified, tell me, how long you think she's been gone for?

• 1:50:07Speaker 04

  Not long.

• 1:50:08Speaker 06

  Okay. First thing I figured out, why in the hell?

• 1:50:11Speaker 04

  Not.

• 1:50:11Speaker 06

  Where was he at? As we got here about a burglary call, I mean, I mean, I talked to squad guy. He said that it looked like it was recently done, like it wasn't something that was.

• 1:50:21Speaker 04

  They would have, he would have heard something.

• 1:50:22Speaker 06

  That's what I'm trying, and he, I want to talk to him, but I don't know if I should, how far I should take it without detectives getting here, especially if we don't know. I'll wait till Brad gets here and let Brad take care of that, but.

• 1:50:32Speaker 04

  The back door is open, so.

• 1:50:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Caleb's following interviews with detectives would not put their suspicions to rest. Caleb recounted the day and the night of February 15th, 2026. He said he had been at worship at CLC that day. The girls at Ashley had stayed home because the girls were sick. When Caleb got home, Ava and Alyssa were watching It Takes Two. Ashley went to Target to return something. Caleb said that the night before, the night of the 14th, a Saturday, he'd been at CLC again, and Ashley and the girls were home alone doing Galentine's Day. Ashley told Caleb that she and the girls were dancing when she saw a car in the driveway.

• 1:51:10Speaker 06

  Through her glass window, she could see someone just standing there, but not knocking on the door, just standing there. So she opened it and some guy went into some weird sales pitch for America.

• 1:51:25Speaker 04

  And this was on Saturday.

• 1:51:27Speaker 06

  That wasn't him. I don't know. She didn't say, she didn't get it. And she said he didn't have a like a salesman shirt or any logos. And he, that gave her a flack and said, will you wave this for my boss? And so she waved it and then he's like, okay, I'll be right back. And she said, well, no, I'm, I'm going to go. And we got busy or we're busy and that was it. That's the only thing I know.

• 1:52:00Speaker 06

  Out of the ordinary, yesterday.

• 1:52:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so this is going to be kind of him laying out, I guess, this potential person

• 1:52:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Other suspects.

• 1:52:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  That could have, yeah. She didn't have any enemies. She was the nicest person ever, but you know, there was this random guy there Saturday and it could be him. And also, as you noted, when we were watching this clip, you don't hear one cough yet, not one. So Caleb said that after he got home on Saturday, they watched movies and the girls slept with Ashley and Caleb in their room that night. The following day, Sunday, the 15th, Caleb left for church at 7:00 AM. He was there for two services at nine and 11, and he was home by 12:30 or 1:00. When he got home, both girls had coughs and the youngest daughter had a fever. Together, the family played Mario Kart. Ashley then went to Target and when she got back, he went to the YMCA. When Caleb got back from working out, he and Ashley tucked their daughters into bed

• 1:52:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  together around 8:30 PM. So this would have been when he's sending Aaliyah pictures of his daughters in their bunk beds. Caleb also talked about how Ashley had left her phone at Target and Target had called Ashley's mother Jill and Jill had texted Caleb asking if Ashley had made it home with her phone.

• 1:53:12Speaker 06

  So she went on to say, do you mind if I take a look? Yeah, you can do it.

• 1:53:22Speaker 06

  Which, which, um, what's your, what's your wife's name? Ashley. Do you have any text messages from? I don't even tell you. Text messages all the time. She sends me a mini picture and it takes up my storage.

• 1:53:36Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 1:53:42Speaker 02

  You're okay if I take a load of this, sir? Yeah. It doesn't look like you have any, uh, any, uh, history with her. She had to text me today and she sent me Galentine's pics. Uh, which I deleted.

• 1:53:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Did he just say in that last little bit there, she sent me Galentine's pics?

• 1:54:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so he's saying, because the guy, the police officer's like, well, do you mind if I look at your phone?

• 1:54:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's his consent to search.

• 1:54:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I want to like, just get an indication because you said that Jill texted you and Ashley was texting you. And then he's like, oh, that's weird. You don't have any like, history of text messages with your wife. And Caleb's like, well, she sends me a lot of pictures and it just kills my iPhone storage, so I delete them all. And he's like, so, but you don't have any messages with her? Like, oh yeah, I just delete everything, which...

• 1:54:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I just wonder, I was just saying, as far as the Galentine's, it still doesn't answer the question if there was a day before or that day, earlier that day, but you can, again, he's referencing the Galentine, the Galentine's Day photos.

• 1:54:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Caleb said it was February 14th and that they were dancing when this strange man pulled up, right? But Ashley's mother said she believed it was the 15th, so it's just, you know...

• 1:54:53Derrick Levasseur?

  A little bit of, you know, yeah.

• 1:54:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So Caleb, uh, you can hear he starts coughing. He starts coughing now.

• 1:54:59Derrick Levasseur?

  It's a nervous cough.

• 1:55:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Caleb was asked if he knew anyone that had issues with his wife. He said, no, she's the nicest person in the world. Everyone loves her. After they put the girls in bed, he said he and Ashley went out into the living room. He was watching Jurassic Park. Ashley was reading a book on her phone. They did this until about 11, when they went into their bedroom and got into bed. But Caleb was still coughing, which, like I said, he illustrates multiple times during his police interview, only after he tells them he had a bad cough. And so Ashley asked him if he would mind spending the night on the couch, so he didn't keep her awake with his coughing. Caleb said he took some Equate and fell asleep on the couch, and it was later on when he heard one of the dogs move, and he thought that the dogs had moved because one of his daughters had gotten out of bed.

• 1:55:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Caleb very specifically says that it was the dog who woke him up itching or scratching, making the collar move. He then went into his daughter's room to check on them and tuck them in, and he laid down on the bottom bunk with his youngest. He said this was just for a little bit, and that's when he heard it. He said he didn't know what to do. He froze. He was scared.

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  I didn't know, didn't know what happened. I mean, I knew what I heard, but I didn't know. And then I got up, walked out, ran in the door. Leaving the garages open, and I turned, went in the room, and said her name and grabbed her foot.

• 1:56:30Speaker 02

  And I said, "Ashley, please, Ashley." And she didn't answer.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  And that's when I turned the light on and saw, and I ran back out to leave my room with my phone. Called 911.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  Did you hear one or two gunshots? I think I had two. I was sleeping with my daughter, but I heard two. Okay. Was, was it like one right after the other, or after you called 911 at this moment? Can you walk me through where you went? I stayed at the bedroom. And with, with your, with, or with your wife? I shut the garage door, the door that was open. So when you say you shut that door, how open was that? Wide. It was wide open? Wide open.

• 1:57:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I know, I know this is petty, but you know, Caleb's crying while this is, while he's watching this. And towards one of the last clips, he's like wiping his face with Kleenex, and some of it like stays stuck to his mouth.

• 1:57:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's, it's a lot of, a lot of memes with Caleb. It's not a good, it's not a good way for him.

• 1:57:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Super messy, super messy. So at this point Caleb is saying, I shut the door. It was wide open. I, it appears that he's talking about the door going into the house from the garage. So he's saying that door was wide open when he woke up. However, he's also asked, well, was that door locked? And he said, I think so. And yet, how could it have been if there's no signs of forced entry? Yeah, it could have been.

• 1:58:18Derrick Levasseur?

  That's the thing. I mean, I know, I have a garage and I have a door that leads into my house. And at night, even though my garages are shut, I always lock that door.

• 1:58:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Always lock it. I, same thing.

• 1:58:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Even if by chance, the side door, you're all doing some gardening or doing some whatever, maintenance outside, and you forgot to lock that side door, the garage itself is still isolated from the home as long as you lock your door. And, and if that's the door you're using to come in at night from your cars, you would lock the door behind you.

• 1:58:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:58:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Very convenient for the, for the perpetrator.

• 1:58:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep. And Caleb was also asked what he did for a living, and he said he owned a commercial flooring company. He said he and his brother-in-law ran it. Now, keep in mind, Todd Smith has not retired yet, okay? He doesn't own, especially not now. Now Caleb's story about going...

• 1:59:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Spontaneous utterance.

• 1:59:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it's like, kind of weird, because it's like, are you trying to seem more important? Yeah, are you trying to seem more important to the police? Like, I own a flooring company. How could I be a murderer?

• 1:59:14Derrick Levasseur?

  That, or he's already anticipating eventually owning it.

• 1:59:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, well, I don't know what was going on there, but Caleb's story about going into his daughter's room and laying down with his youngest on the bottom bunk, it also did not check out. After Ashley was killed, police and detectives were in the home taking pictures and documenting everything. Ava and Alyssa shared a room and bunk beds. The top bunk was smaller and the bottom bunk was larger, but that bottom bunk was also filled up with stuffed animals. BCI agent Hammond testified that he did not think there was enough room on that bottom bunk for two people, especially if one of those people was a grown adult man. The bottom bunk barely had enough space for a small child to lay down on it.

• 1:59:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Putting aside the physical limitations of the bunk bed for a second, there was a gunshot or two that went off right next to their room. Not only would Caleb hear it...

• 2:00:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  His daughters would have, yeah.

• 2:00:05Derrick Levasseur?

  But Ava and/or Alyssa would have heard it as well. It would have been pretty friggin' loud. The fact that they slept right through it, and yet he was in the same room with them, and he heard it, that's unlikely as well.

• 2:00:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  So this first interview took place during the early morning hours of February 16th, and later that afternoon Caleb was asked to come back and clarify some questions the detectives had. In this interview, he had more details. He said that after he and Ashley had gone to bed around 11, he scrolled through Twitter for a while, while she continued to read her book on her iPhone. He didn't remember when Ashley had asked him to go into the living room, but about going into his daughter's room, Caleb now said that he sat on the bottom bunk and prayed over his two daughters. He prayed for a couple of minutes before lying down and falling asleep, and he didn't know how long he'd been asleep when he heard the shots. Caleb was then asked this question.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  Did you see that she was shot twice?

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  No. Did you report that to dispatch?

• 2:01:04Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't remember. And I'm just, I'm just trying to make sure I have a clear picture. When I ran in, the lights were obviously off, and I shook her at first. Yeah. Said her name? Where did you shave her? On the bottom of her foot. Okay, I just grabbed her foot or her calf. I don't, I don't know. It was dark. Said Ashley, Ashley. And then she didn't answer. That's when I turned the light on and saw, and...

• 2:01:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that was, that's a real nail in the coffin, right? It's so dark in the room that he couldn't tell if he grabbed her foot or her calf, and yet he was able to tell that she was shot twice in the head, even though the pathologist would later say he wasn't able, or she, I don't even know, it was a he or she, but they weren't able to determine how many times she was shot until they shaved her friggin' head.

• 2:01:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:50Derrick Levasseur?

  So, and then on top of that, he was able to point out the shell casings for the officer before he arrived. So, yeah, this is a big misstep in his story, and he knows in this moment, oh, I [bleep] up.

• 2:02:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, yeah, I agree. Because they're asking, well, did you say she was shot twice? He's like, I don't know. Yeah.

• 2:02:04Derrick Levasseur?

  This, this detective is very flippant. He almost looks like he doesn't know what he's doing, and maybe he doesn't, but in this moment, he's playing dumb. He's playing dumb like, oh, wait, did you say that? You don't think he's played that 911 call a thousand times? He knows exactly what he said, but he's playing, oh, yeah, why did you say two times to the dispatch? He already, he's not asking the questions, if he doesn't have the answers.

• 2:02:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I agree, I agree. So Caleb was asked about the door leading from the garage to the outside, and he was asked if it had been locked the night that Ashley was killed, and he said it should have been, but he wasn't sure because he didn't use that door due to the refrigerator being in front of it. Special Agent Hammond started questioning Caleb about the versions of events and what that all meant, and he said, listen, it sounds like whoever did this was standing very close to your wife when it happened. And from all the evidence that we've gathered, it looks like she was sleeping and she wasn't aware that anyone was there. So what is the motive here? If someone was coming in to rob the place, they would have just left her sleeping and then just robbed the place. If someone was coming in to kill Ashley, then what would the reason for that be?

• 2:03:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because as far as you've said and from what we can tell, yeah, she didn't, she didn't have issues with anyone. There is no financial motive or affair or workplace tension, nothing.

• 2:03:18Speaker 02

  You know, I guess, my thing is, you know, have you guys ever had problems between you two? None whatsoever? Okay. The reason is normal marriage. That's why I'm asking, like, have you guys, you know, argued to the point where a neighbor would hear or, or things like that? You can ask any neighbor. Well, we have, yeah. And there was a neighbor that said that they had heard you guys arguing at different points. And, and that's not the, that's not to, you know, sit here and say that you're, like you said, if it's, if it's just an argument and it's a marital thing, so be it. You know what I mean? The last argument we had was Friday.

• 2:04:05Speaker 04

  The girls were gonna have a sleepover at their, um, Papa's house in her oldest headline week prior. Yeah. And so she's gonna lose her, her sleepover. For instance, when we do this phone download of your wife's phone, you know, if there's conversations about things that like, you know, we could discuss right now and clear that up. I have nothing, there would be nothing. Yeah. From in her phone and my phone that would, yeah.

• 2:04:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he's in trouble. Caleb's in trouble.

• 2:04:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, there's nothing in your phone, Caleb, because you deleted everything, but.

• 2:04:42Derrick Levasseur?

  You deleted everything and you don't think they know about your burner phone or WhatsApp or all that stuff, but, and I know he didn't get a new burner phone yet, but still there's gonna be, there's a lot more to unpack here and they may have already started to do some of that.

• 2:04:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  They didn't do that yet. Um, the cell phone extraction, not yet, because this is another thing we're gonna talk about next week, but they were transitioning between software. So the full extraction wasn't even available till like April, I think.

• 2:05:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Got it. Got it. But there's already speculation.

• 2:05:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're already like, yeah, they're already super suspicious without even seeing the messages between him and Aaliyah. So the police were talking to Caleb, but they're obviously conducting an investigation at the same time. You heard mention of a phone extractions. That was going to bring some more damning evidence to the table, but they'd already done a lot of boots on the groundwork. The night of Ashley's murder, Preble County Sheriff's K-9 arrived about an hour after the 2:30 a.m. 911 call. So the dog started at the side garage and then tried three times to go into the house, never away from the house. Police also noticed that the dew-covered grass around the Flynn home, they, they did have footprints, but the only footprints were from police and the dog.

• 2:05:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hunter Brad Bird from the Troy Police Department flew a circular grid search with a drone that had heat-seeking imaging on it around 3:50 a.m., about 90 or 80 minutes after the 911 call. The only heat signatures were animals in a nearby field. In the days after Ashley's murder, FBI agents went to about 80 homes in that neighborhood, asking whether anyone had seen anything unusual and collecting camera footage. The next door neighbor, Kimberly Binghamman, gave police her footage. It showed nothing relevant and her dogs were quiet that night. BCI analyst Samantha Reeve made a neighborhood map color coding each rooftop by whether the home had security cameras. It showed how much of the area was covered.

• 2:06:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  If the roof of the house was colored orange, it meant that the house had cameras, but no video footage of investigatory value. The color red on a roof meant the house had no cameras and the color black meant the house was vacant. The Flynn home was marked with a yellow X on this map. What do you notice about this map and how hard it would be for someone to sneak into and away from the Flynn home and never be caught on camera once?

• 2:07:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it'd be very difficult. You got, you got cameras all over there and yet they're saying no investigatory value, meaning there was nothing caught on camera to suggest that anybody walked by those cameras or by the Flynn household. And again, we're talking about a silent assassin here, basically somebody who not only has a map and understanding of the Flynn home, but also the entire area, security cameras, angles, all of this, dog behavior. They got in, they got out, they killed Ashley without leaving a single trace of them being there. Pretty impressive.

• 2:07:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree, yes.

• 2:07:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Or crazy thought here, there wasn't another person and that the entire thing happened inside the Flynn home and the only people who could have done it would be the people who were there. And I'm going to safely say that we can rule out Alyssa and Ava.

• 2:07:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I don't think that they did this. Yes.

• 2:07:50Derrick Levasseur?

  So this, this only leaves one guy and a guy who's not giving a very good, uh, story or recollection of what happened that evening.

• 2:07:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  And the police searched for the gun, right? The one missing from Caleb's truck, which happened to match the shell casings that were found on the floor of the master bedroom, right?

• 2:08:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Happened to be a 9mm, huh?

• 2:08:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  So they're gonna search for this gun and they're gonna try to find it, but it doesn't go well. And that's where we're gonna pick up next week when we come back to this case.

• 2:08:17Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely. I mean, listen, you can start to see it all kind of crumbling for Caleb. You know, there's a lot that we could break down here and I'm sure it's probably better for the, the finale of this series. But overall, it seems like number one, definitely Caleb's your guy. He's the, he's at fault here. He's the one that should be getting most of the criticism. However, if you really wanna look at it, it does seem like the pressure being applied by Aaliyah, not only by her words, but her actions, AKA dating other people. It really forced Caleb to find a way out sooner than later, because honestly, even sitting here where I am right now, if he could have stayed married to Ashley and dated Aaliyah and did everything he wanted to do,

• 2:08:58Derrick Levasseur?

  maybe he would have been fine with that, but because Aaliyah was starting to branch out and see other people, he wasn't having that. We got the Snoop reports, we got stalking on the Instagram. He couldn't take the fact that Aaliyah may potentially be moving on. And as soon as Caleb gave her an ounce of hope, she came right back in and was pressuring him again to get it done, even though she was trying to pretend like she no longer cared. We know that's not true based on that text message we broke down. She had the mask on. And as soon as he gave her any indication that he may back out of it, she lost her friggin' mind. So.

• 2:09:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  She lost it.

• 2:09:34Derrick Levasseur?

  A lot of stuff going on here. Obviously Caleb, because he was rushed and he felt like he needed to get this done sooner than later, because he didn't want Aaliyah seeing other people, of course. He really didn't think this went out and he made a lot of basic mistakes. And law enforcement thankfully picked up on it.

• 2:09:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I think picked up on it right away. He was fooling nobody. So that is where we will pick up next week.

• 2:09:59Derrick Levasseur?

  By the way, let's not forget Preble Penny, right?

• 2:10:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, yeah. When they said Preble County K-9, yeah.

• 2:10:04Derrick Levasseur?

  That, that's a case that you guys helped us fund. Turned out to be Albert Frost, obviously, but it was originally called Preble Penny from Ohio.

• 2:10:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  But he's Preble Pete, yeah.

• 2:10:11Derrick Levasseur?

  So it's Preble Pete. So if that sounds familiar, that is why Albert Frost, another case. We talked about Criminal Coffee earlier this week. Here it is, uh, coming up again.

• 2:10:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, absolutely. So, uh, we will come back next week for part four of Ashley Flynn. Thank you all so much for being here. I know this was a long one, but as always, let us know what you think about this in the comments. Yeah.

• 2:10:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely. Everyone stay safe out there. We will see you soon.

• 2:10:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.