Bryan Kohberger Admitted to Murder - Now He Wants to Take It Back

In July 2026, Bryan Kohberger filed a petition seeking to withdraw his July 2025 guilty plea, claiming ineffective counsel and that he was pressured into a false confession. He was convicted of the 2022 murders of four University of Idaho students, and is serving four consecutive life sentences.

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• 0:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:17Derrick Levasseur?

  And I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Brian Kohberger, that's who we're talking about today. Brian Kohberger is now trying to do something that is incredibly difficult to pull off. He wants to withdraw the guilty plea that spared him from the death penalty and reopen the case against him. And since he filed this petition, a lot of people connected to the legal and investigative worlds have had something to say about it, including Derek, you, apparently.

• 0:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, we were talking about it on our Patreon Live the other night, but unfortunately, yeah, what Stephanie had just said, as far as him trying to retract his statement, I had an instant reaction to it. I was in my driveway, so I pulled out my phone and I recorded like this two-minute video, posted it, not thinking anything was going to come of it, because I was under the impression that that was going to be the general consensus from everybody. So we'll play that video and then we'll talk about it. I, for one, am thrilled that Brian Kohberger is trying to retract his confession. And I think we should grant him a new trial. Is it a waste of time and a cost to the taxpayers? Absolutely. Is he more than likely going to be found guilty based on the abundant amount

• 1:27Derrick Levasseur?

  of evidence? Yep. But if he's found guilty, spoiler alert, he will, when the verdict comes out, there's no deal. No going to prison for the next 30, 40 years and living off the taxpayers' dime. Nope. It's the death penalty. No going back and saying, well, you know, now that I've been found guilty, I think because of the situation and because of how it all played out, I should still get to live out my life in prison after murdering these four innocent people. Sorry, we shouldn't have gave you that deal the first time. That's off the table. And yes, it's unfortunate that the victims' families are going to have to go through this

• 2:10Derrick Levasseur?

  whole ordeal and be traumatized again. But if I were the father of one of these children and you told me that if I was willing to go through this trial, I could have the chance at the end of it to sit there and watch the person responsible be killed, sign me up. And so, yeah, I'm excited that Brian Kohberger's lack of self-awareness and delusional optimism when it comes to his intelligence is going to allow us another opportunity to prove he's an idiot. And yeah, it's going to get him in trouble. And so, yeah, it sucks that we're going to have to give this moron some more screen time. But when all said and done, if this happens, I think justice will finally be served.

• 2:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. So as you can see there, I set it up kind of like I was happy that he was trying to retract his statement, but then I go on to give context behind it where I basically say that, once again, Brian's misunderstanding of his intelligence, right, his, this delusional optimism when it comes to how smart he is, is going to get him in more trouble, just like it did for the murders. And my hope was that if they did grant him a new trial, at this point, the whole deal that he got the first time would be off the table and it would result in the death penalty. That's what I want. I believe, without a doubt, Brian Kohberger is responsible for killing these four young people. And I thought that was pretty obvious, but then-

• 3:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  So the way you said it was, you're like, I'm glad-

• 3:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I'm thrilled.

• 3:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  -he's trying to withdraw his confession. And then what happened? A certain quote-unquote news outlet-

• 3:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. So shout out to Annie Elise. Annie DMs me the article from In Touch Weekly and Yahoo, who basically says, all they put in the headline is, "Big Brother winner is thrilled that Brian's trying to get a new trial." And if you were just to read that headline, you would think like, I'm a defender of Brian Kohberger.

• 4:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which some people in the comment section thought that before apparently getting the context.

• 4:09Derrick Levasseur?

  I will say this, and I put out another video afterwards, but, you know, not that you guys need to do it, but it was so, it was so nice and heartwarming and surprising at the same time. By the time I saw the article, I went there to defend myself and there were literally hundreds of comments on Facebook, on Instagram, every post you can think of, wherever they put it, there were hundreds of you in the comments being like, that's not Derek, that's not what he said, this is clickbait. So thank you for that, because you guys had my back 100%. And I even called In Touch Weekly and Yahoo out. And I hate the fact that even before recording this episode, all I typed in was Brian Kohberger

• 4:51Derrick Levasseur?

  retraction, just to see what the specifics were, and the Yahoo article with my face is the first thing that pops up. So for me to be attached to anyone, to have my face next to that idiot, it sucks. But yeah, to get to the whole, why we're here, I don't think there's a chance in hell that this works, right? He wasn't under duress.

• 5:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it's gonna be pretty difficult. So should we talk about why he's saying-

• 5:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 5:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so-

• 5:20Derrick Levasseur?

  And then we could talk about how it's not going to work, because there's even defense attorneys that we respect coming out saying like, there's no shot.

• 5:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So Brian said, his legal team, I guess, and Brian said in the post-conviction filing, that his attorneys pressured or coerced him into accepting the plea. Now, understand, this plea came with several life sentences. The only really thing that the plea did was prevent him from getting the death penalty. So he said his attorneys pressured or coerced him into accepting it. He didn't fully understand alleged exculpatory evidence before pleading guilty. We'll talk about that in a second. He received misinformation or false promises about what his prison conditions would be, because we know Brian's been whining about how bad-

• 6:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, poor him.

• 6:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  -prison is since he's been in there, because prison was supposed to be this, you know, like, what, like this utopia-

• 6:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Five-star hotel.

• 6:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  -of milk and honey? What are you talking about? And the circumstances meant his guilty plea was not truly knowing and voluntary, because he wasn't, he wasn't fully understanding how bad prison was going to be, and he didn't fully understand this alleged exculpatory evidence, and his attorneys pressured or coerced him into accepting the deal. Now, obviously, like Derek said, this is going to be a difficult, an uphill battle, it's been called, because there's, there's a lot of moving pieces, but specifically, there's an important distinction between withdrawing a guilty plea before sentencing and then trying to withdraw it-

• 6:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 6:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  -after sentencing, right? So the basic point is that a defendant generally cannot accept a plea, receive the agreed-upon outcome, and then try to reverse course after seeing the consequences. So at this stage, Brian Kohberger would need to establish a serious constitutional or legal defect in the plea process, not merely just like, I really didn't want to do this, actually, I changed my mind now that I saw how bad prison is. And that's pretty much what he's saying. Now, as far as the exculpatory evidence goes, that would be, if I'm looking at the claims he's making, the potential alleged exculpatory evidence would be the only constitutional kind of thing I could see, besides Brian just saying,

• 7:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't like it in prison, and my attorneys made me feel like I had to do this. So what is this potentially exculpatory evidence that Kohberger and his legal team are referring to? It seems to be primarily this hair or hair-like debris recovered from Ethan's hand.

• 7:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 7:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  And even that, I think that the description is a little misleading, because in his handwritten post-conviction petition, Kohberger says his attorneys failed to tell him about this exculpatory discovery received during the plea negotiations, specifically, quote, "clumps of hair found in Ethan Chapin's hands," end quote. His argument appears to be that hair clutched in Ethan's hand could have come from an attacker rather than from Brian Kohberger. And he says that knowing about it might have affected his decision to plead guilty. But what do the actual forensic records reportedly say? Because the official FBI report did not

• 8:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  apparently describe the material as this dramatic clumps of hair. It described debris recovered from Ethan's right hand and additional debris recovered from Xana's left hand. So the FBI then microscopically examined that debris to determine whether it contained hairs consistent with Brian Kohberger's head hair sample. It reportedly found none that were microscopically consistent with Brian Kohberger's hair. And I guess that sounds potentially significant at first, but it doesn't necessarily mean another person's hair was found. It only means that the examined debris did not contain hair that microscopically resembled

• 9:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Brian Kohberger's. And then the defense apparently even had this debris tested further. A DNA and hair expert retained by Brian Kohberger's own defense team, her name is Ruth Ballard, reportedly examined hair recovered from Ethan's hand and concluded that it was, quote, "morphologically consistent with the decedent Chapin's own reference hair." So in plain English, the hair appeared to be Ethan's hair, not hair from some unidentified attacker who wasn't Brian Kohberger. So really, there's nothing here. In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing here that could be possibly used as like, Brian Kohberger had an unconstitutional

• 10:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  plea deal to reverse this in the end.

• 10:04Derrick Levasseur?

  I completely agree. And I might get some shit for this, but that's fine. One thing that's happened since this whole article came out was, I've had some not-so-nice, but also some respectful messages and DMs where, you know, I'm smart enough to realize what people are doing, where they're like, oh, you know, I'm totally defending you, although I will say, you know, I'm not so sure he did it, you know, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna put this out there right now.

• 10:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  There's so many people out there that feel this way, like this-

• 10:33Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm not speaking for you, Stephanie. You can agree to disagree on this, but I think from this point forward, I'm going to use Brian Kohberger's case as a litmus test when I'm talking to some people that I don't know, to gauge how much stake I should put into their, their opinions. Because if you don't think Brian Kohberger killed these kids, we're probably not going to agree on a lot of things.

• 10:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  What's the alternate theory if not Brian Kohberger? Like, what is, when they say I disagree-

• 11:02Derrick Levasseur?

  He's the fall guy.

• 11:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  For who?

• 11:05Derrick Levasseur?

  That's my point. Who is Brian Kohberger and these victims to never take anything away from them because their lives mattered, obviously? You're going to do this like CI-level operation where- Going to frame this no name dude who nobody cares about.

• 11:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  So they're, so they're saying it wasn't just another person. It was another person or persons who then did all this trouble and like sophisticated methods to frame.

• 11:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Frame Brian.

• 11:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Brian Kohberger.

• 11:28Derrick Levasseur?

  For killing these four young kids who are college students who, you know, didn't hold documents to like CIA secrets. Like, what are we doing?

• 11:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  This, that's really what's happening because I don't, I can't get into these people's minds who, who genuinely think this.

• 11:40Derrick Levasseur?

  So I was politely responding to some of them and I, you, I'm, you know, I'm, it's, it's possible Derek Levasseur. That's my whole thing. Like I say, with everything, the only, and I don't even believe in this, but some people were like, oh, I don't think he did it alone. And I would argue that point as far as the absence of evidence is not evidence. There is no evidence indicating there was another person there. In fact, it's quite the opposite, right? We have video surveillance, we have cell phone data, we have eyewitness testimony from Dylan, who some people still believe that they could be involved, which is ridiculous.

• 12:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  We have a weird pattern of behavior where you always take your phone when you leave, but all of a sudden on this day, when you're just out driving for a fun time at the exact same time the murders are happening.

• 12:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Turn off your phone.

• 12:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  You choose to turn off your phone. Yeah.

• 12:25Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, there's so much. We could sit here and spend 45 minutes on.

• 12:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Who set him up for that one? Does someone go to Brian Kohberger and say, I suggest you take a nice, long drive today and make sure your phone's turned off when you do?

• 12:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, you have, God, you have the, the knife sheath purchase. You have the DNA at the house. You have a potential footprint. Wasn't there like a van style footprint scene? I thought there was something there as well. You have eyewitness testimony from Dylan describing an individual that matches Kohberger's description. You have video surveillance, you have cell phone data. You know, I'm not saying this is the strongest case.

• 12:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  You have his guilty plea.

• 12:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, I didn't even get there yet. All right. I'm not even saying this is the strongest case that I've ever seen, but you also have his own admission, right? After months of conferencing with his own defense attorneys, right? Reviewing what was there and deciding after all of it, that the best course of action was to take a guilty plea. It, it's crazy. It's crazy to think that there are still people who believe he's just an innocent guy who was framed for this, but listen, I like debate. I like never just considering the first theory as the most plausible. I like the dissension where we can come in and, you know, have a respectful conversation about it. But at this point with everything we know, I think that debate is over.

• 13:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, actually Derek, I may have something for those people who still wonder.

• 13:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh.

• 13:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Is Brian Koberger innocent? Could it have been him? I have something and someone who's come out just, it just broke today as we're filming this on Monday, August 3rd. So let's take a quick break and then we'll be right back and we'll talk about it.

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• 16:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so today I read this article and I'm like, what? This is kind of crazy. So the article focused on this person, Cy Ray. Cy Ray is a digital forensics and geolocation expert who was actually originally hired by Brian Koberger's defense team. Okay, so an expert witness for Brian Koberger. You understand what I'm saying? An expert witness for Brian Koberger. So now Cy Ray says he's completely convinced that Brian Koberger committed the University of Idaho murders, like everybody should be. And Cy believes that Kohberger should receive a new trial where prosecutors again seek the death penalty.

• 17:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Cy says what basically Derek said.

• 17:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Me and Cy are on the same page.

• 17:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I hope he gets a new trial so he can get the death penalty this time because the audacity of this idiot. All right. So Cy Ray says investigators failed to recognize highly incriminating information in Brian Kohberger's phone and location data. So now Cy Ray is saying, not only am I going to come and throw this dude under the bus, who I was a defense expert for, but I'm going to tell you that I found stuff that even the prosecution missed. Okay, this is, this is really, uh, it's getting, it's getting good here. So according to Ray, Kohberger's phone produced several estimated location points that landed directly on or extremely close to the King Road House before the murders.

• 18:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  We kind of knew this. Although the estimated radius was about 25 meters. Ray believes that when those locations are considered alongside Brian Kohberger's movements before and afterward, they suggest he had previously been inside or immediately around the house. And Brian's phone repeatedly appeared in the same general locations as Madison's phone, leading Ray to believe Matty was the primary target. So those alleged collisions included a party in Pullman during the first week of school and a store near the King Road residence. Okay. So we have Brian Kohberger's phone now in two locations before the murders where Matty's phone is.

• 18:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 18:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay. Which is making Cy Ray say, hey, I think that this shows Brian Kohberger was stalking Matty. Which if you'll remember, we've never been given a motive, right?

• 18:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation about stalking, all that good stuff.

• 19:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  A lot of speculation and it was like, what, what brought him there? Was this completely random? Did he just pick a house? What's going on? But now Cy Ray, who was the location expert and like the phone expert and stuff, he says, listen, this is what I saw that I don't think the prosecution picked up on. Now, the most important part of the article that I read is that Cy Ray's current statements appear to contradict the written export report that he prepared for Brian Kohberger's defense in January of 2025. I say interesting, but not surprising because you and I have talked many times about how these expert witnesses, although yes, I think they know their shit.

• 19:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think they know exactly what they're doing, but also they're being paid to put forth a certain narrative that supports who's paying them.

• 19:55Derrick Levasseur?

  And by the way, that falls on both sides. We're not just saying defense or prosecution. And, and the way it works is it's, they give their opinion before they're hired. So that, so prosecution, defense may, may bring in five experts. Three of them may say not what they're looking for. So those guys don't get hired. And then the one that says what they want them to say, that's the person they go with, which I get it. I get, because that's what they supposedly believe as well. So they're looking for people who are like-minded. But yeah, it's interesting how after the fact, someone who was originally hired because of their quote unquote findings, now that they weren't needed at trial, has a difference of opinion in their own statement from what they said earlier.

• 20:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which it doesn't make him look good, right?

• 20:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Makes him look not great.

• 20:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  It doesn't, but also does it kind of make him look good where he's like, yeah, like I did the wrong thing. But now that this dude is actually like not even settling with the deal he got, which is less than he deserves because he deserves a death penalty. Like now I, I morally feel like I have an obligation to step forward and say something, even though it makes me look like my expert testimony can be bought and paid for.

• 21:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Sure. I think, I think it makes him look really bad because there's, there's not, I mean, he could come out and defend himself against this, but I find it hard to believe that this information he's conveying now, he didn't know originally. And he chose to omit those facts, which if that's the case, that's, that's not how it's supposed to be done.

• 21:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, in the report that he prepared for Brian's defense in January, 2025, Ray said that the geolocation data did not show an association between Brian and the victims or their residences. He said he could not identify a period when Brian's phone was in the same specific area as any victim's phone. And he said he found no evidence that Brian had stalked the victims or conducted surveillance at the King Road House. So basically the exact opposite of what he is saying.

• 21:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's, this isn't just a new caveat. This is like a completely different opinion.

• 21:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  It is the exact, like take everything you said and make it as far opposite as you could make it. And that is what is now.

• 22:00Derrick Levasseur?

  This would be the equivalent to them being like, okay, first give us your opinion if you. Were hired for the defense. Now give us your opinion if you were hired for the prosecuting

• 22:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 22:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Attorney.

• 22:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Derrick Levasseur?

  That's literally what he did.

• 22:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 22:10Derrick Levasseur?

  He'll never, by the way, spoiler alert, he'll never get, if this does go to trial, his testimony in this case and probably others, not gonna, not gonna be, this is always gonna be used against him. Now, if he did it knowing that, respect.

• 22:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, I, I mean, I feel like you'd have to know it. We know it. He's in that community.

• 22:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes. So. Maybe, but like to your point, he's saying, I know this doesn't make me look great, but I want to do it because it, it's going to clear my conscience. And if that's true, I gotta give him credit.

• 22:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's got it. That's the only.

• 22:39Derrick Levasseur?

  I agree.

• 22:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's the only reason he could be doing it, right? Unless he's like, I really want to destroy my career and my reputation today.

• 22:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. No, you're right. He's, he's, I'm hoping he's smart enough to know this is not going to be looked at in a positive light for most people.

• 22:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, there's a few things that I want to go over about this because it's interesting. And I have a few kind of, I don't know, just observations, but let's take a quick break. We'll be right back and then we'll finish up.

• 23:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay. So remember that Cy Ray said, hey, I found this stuff prosecutors missed it. Now prosecutors, we know had alleged that Brian's phone connected to cellular towers near the King Roadhouse roughly a dozen times before the murders and again, the morning afterward. We know they said that. However, investigators have publicly said they still do not know why Brian selected that particular house, whether one particular victim was the intended target or what his motive was. And obviously Brian's not saying, so we don't know, but Cy Ray, he's saying Matty was the target and investigators simply overlooked the evidence

• 23:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  supporting that conclusion, which seems difficult to believe that investigators and prosecutors overlooked that evidence because they, we, we do know that the prosecutors themselves have never publicly presented this specific phone overlap or collision that Cy Ray is now describing. So I guess I want to know, like, is it true? Or I, because that's where I'm struggling. Like, how did prosecutors and law enforcement not see that? Because it seems pretty significant. And Cy Ray, we know that he looked at all this data because he was going to be the defense expert witness for the phone and the location and stuff like that.

• 24:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  So is, is he just saying this to like, get his name around? Is that, is that actually true? Like, does that exist in the data? This just came out today. So the.

• 24:47Derrick Levasseur?

  And this is Monday, the.

• 24:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  The third of August.

• 24:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Third of August.

• 24:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  So prosecutors could come out and be like, we don't even know where he's seeing this evidence. Or they could come out and be like, yeah, oh snap, we did overlook this evidence. But it's kind of odd that he is very aware of this, but they are not. Or maybe they are, and they didn't see it until too late. So they didn't want to say like, we missed this evidence, but are they going to come out now and admit to missing the evidence? Or is this a ploy to kind of make it look like maybe the, the prosecution didn't do a thorough job of the investigation and the presentation of evidence? Because if they missed this, then what else did they miss? I'm trying to kind of think of what the motive is. Because like you said, this is going to destroy his career as an expert witness. And that's probably how

• 25:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  he makes his living to some extent. So I'm curious as to what's going to come from that? Because it's weird.

• 25:44Derrick Levasseur?

  I don't know what his, his motive or agenda is, and I'm going to continue to focus on the victims, right? And I don't think it's a new theory. A lot of people have concluded for different reasons that, that Matty was the primary target. One of the biggest things being the autopsies, right? With, with Matty's death, they describe it as clean, right? It was quick. I'm not going to go into the details here, but it appears that Matty was still asleep when she was attacked. Where with Kaylee, who was in the same bed with her, it was much more vicious. And that's, that shows a sign of struggle. Maybe she tried to intervene when, when Matty was being attacked. There's a lot of theories surrounding that. And I will say, although I didn't watch the whole thing, I did see clips from the Kohberger Netflix documentary

• 26:28Derrick Levasseur?

  thing. And they do give a theory as far as how the chain of events occurred in the house. And I do think it's, it's very plausible, the way they lay that out. If you want to go check that out as far as it's starting upstairs and then working its way down. But overall, it doesn't change the, the, the main premise here is that Brian Kohberger is a monster. He's a killer. And I never agreed with the original deal, which was no trial, no death penalty. And at the end of the day, all that really matters is how the families feel. If they were okay with that, if they didn't want to have to go through that trial and sit there and have to experience all of that, and this was good enough for them, then it's good enough for me. But I said in my video that if there's any world where one of the parents didn't like

• 27:13Derrick Levasseur?

  this agreement and were willing to sit through the trial because the outcome could have been watching Brian Kohberger be killed, then we should give that to them, the families, I mean, where if they want that and they're okay to, to go through this, grant him a trial. I truly think it's going to be the end of him. And, and maybe as some people have suggested, that's what he wants. He wants to be put to death.

• 27:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  So that's my perception on it.

• 27:37Derrick Levasseur?

  A lot of people are with you.

• 27:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  And this is what I feel. I don't want him to get a new trial. I don't want him to get the death penalty because he seems very, very, very miserable in prison.

• 27:48Derrick Levasseur?

  You, you might be right.

• 27:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  He seems like he genuinely hates it to the point where he might be doing this because he's like, I'd rather die than live another day in this hellhole because I thought it was going to be better than this. I would rather him suffer and sit in prison for the rest of his life or try to figure out some, uh, botched way that he can do himself in, where it'll fail and he'll be in pain and he'll suffer.

• 28:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. And then he'll be there. And you know, I guess I'll pose this question. I already know your answer, but I'll pose this question to the audience because for me, I, I would want the new trial because I think maybe there's a small chance, although not likely, we get more of the why, which we still don't really have. So maybe through the evidence that's put on a trial, we get a better understanding, like this evidence from Cy where we maybe have more of an indication of what the motive was here. Because I'm sure the parents, there's still some of them wondering like, why them? Why this night? What happened? What triggered it? Do I think Brian's going to give them those answers? Absolutely not. He's claiming that he's innocent. But my question to all of you is if you were a parent of one

• 28:56Derrick Levasseur?

  of these children, would you want it just to stay as is like Stephanie where, and I think a lot of you are going to feel this way, where he clearly is miserable and just have him spend the rest of his life in prison, which is probably going to be a long time. He's young, right? He's going to be there for what? 40, 50, maybe 60 years?

• 29:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Longer.

• 29:15Derrick Levasseur?

  With our luck, 60 years.

• 29:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Maybe he's got good genetics, you know?

• 29:17Derrick Levasseur?

  Maybe.

• 29:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 29:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Maybe. Or would you want to sit through the trial, run the risk that he could get off, but if he's found guilty, death penalty and you get within probably 20 to 30 years, you get the opportunity to sit there and watch the person who killed your, your baby be killed himself and you get to sit there through that. I don't know. I personally would want the latter. I'd want to see him in prison for the next 20, 30 years on death row, being miserable. And then I would love to know that that day he's knows he's going to die, he's going to get his last meal, all of these things. And I know in deep down, because he's a coward, he's going to be petrified.

• 29:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  If he could stay on death row for like 50, 60 years, and then when he's an old, feeble, stupid man who has just become completely demented because he's been tortured in prison for the past like six decades, then he gets a death penalty.

• 30:12Derrick Levasseur?

  You'd be okay with it?

• 30:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  I would go for that. Yeah. Because there are, there are fates worse than death. And I think Brian Kohberger is living in it right now.

• 30:18Derrick Levasseur?

  He might experience some of that. I, I agree with you there. By the way, he's 31 now. He, when this happened.

• 30:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's a rough 31, Brian.

• 30:25Derrick Levasseur?

  He was 28. However, let me throw a wrinkle at you. If I could tell you that within 20 years, he would get the death penalty, but because Idaho is one of the few states that still have the firing squad, would that change your opinion?

• 30:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  As long as he's like 65 and up. I want, I want enough time of him to hate prison.

• 30:46Derrick Levasseur?

  At that point, he would be, he would be.

• 30:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because you know, he's being tortured in prison. Like, there's people coming at him.

• 30:51Derrick Levasseur?

  He's in for a rough go.

• 30:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, there's people coming at him. Like, he's a very like soft boy. Okay. And he's in there with hardened criminals who hate him.

• 31:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Children.

• 31:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Who have children who hate him. And I think he's afraid for his life every single day, which makes me extremely happy. So yeah, firing squad, but like a slow, like maybe one in the leg, then maybe one in the, the shoulder, then maybe, you know, like, oh, that one grazed his thigh. Ah, you know, maybe like, yeah, light him up, you know, but slowly. I'm sorry. I feel like that's really aggressive, but.

• 31:28Derrick Levasseur?

  I, I, I think a lot of people.

• 31:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  You asked me as a parent of one of these kids. That's how I would feel as a parent of one of these kids, like.

• 31:34Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm looking forward to hearing their opinion. I, I, I don't know if they've spoke publicly yet.

• 31:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, they have. They've, you know, they, they, I think I saw that they called him a narcissist, like that the fact that he's continuing to keep this going. It was five days ago, a narcissist, a victim's family blasts Kohberger for challenging Idaho murder conviction. Uh, the family of one of the victims has said, has hit out after it emerged. He was challenging the conviction. The family of Kaylee said that Kohberger was a narcissist who appeared to have changed his, his position. Quote, "He chose not to leave his fate or the facts of the case to a jury. He never cried foul, never claimed he was uninformed or pressured and never suggested there was problems with the discovery materials he and his counsel had reviewed for two years that should have been challenged."

• 32:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. This was a very thought out confession as far as the agreement that he made here.

• 32:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, we know it took forever.

• 32:29Derrick Levasseur?

  He had all the counsel. He knew all the facts.

• 32:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he was a criminology student, by the way, who thought he was smarter than everybody else. So it's not like he was a completely.

• 32:38Derrick Levasseur?

  And clearly he's continuing to prove he's not because this is, if he doesn't want death, he's about to open up a can of worms. If this happens, which I don't think it will, you know, overall, we're thinking of the family, all the friends, everyone connected to Xana, Ethan, Matty and Kaylee. They're the real victims here. They're the ones that deserve to decide whether or not this is even considered. Although, hearing from some prominent defense attorneys online, one of them, Bob Mata from Defense Diaries, he didn't say it specifically, so I don't want to misquote him, but I saw something on X where this article came out and he was like, good luck with that. And he's someone who always, as a defense attorney, sees the other side of things. And him and I don't always agree, but that's what I like about him. He speaks his mind and he's a smart guy. So I think this is not even going to have a chance of going to trial. This is, there's no way this is going to get overturned.

• 33:22Derrick Levasseur?

  But I do want to hear your opinions on it, guys. What do you think of all this? Not necessarily whether Brian's guilty or not, but if you were a parent of one of these victims, how would you feel about this? What would you like to see happen? We want to hear your opinions, your thoughts on this one. It sucks that we're giving Brian any more, any more limelight, I guess, because in a way, I think that's what he wants.

• 33:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't think he wants it. I think he just really hates prison.

• 33:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that too. That too. But I, I, I despise this guy. And for me, there's no doubt in my mind that, that he did it. I'll even go as far as saying he did it alone. And so he's right where he needs to be. They got the right guy. They did a great job with this investigation. I don't agree with certain things that the school did, but that's a different story for a different day. They got the right guy. The evidence supports that. Maybe the best case is like you said, just putting him in prison and letting him be miserable for the next 60 years. We definitely want to hear your thoughts. We will be back later this week with Chandler Halderson, part three. Also, I did mention, uh, we talked this, about this a little bit on Patreon. A lot of you guys have been signing up. We have our Patreon

• 34:26Derrick Levasseur?

  membership. We have our YouTube membership. We also have our Crime Weekly Plus membership on Apple. If you're interested in any of those things and you want to get deeper into the conversations that we're having here, or hear about them before anybody else does, because we're doing the lives once a month. You can go check out their links. They're right in the description box below. Until then, please, everyone stay safe out there and we will see you later this week.

• 34:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm hmm. Bye.