The Epstein Survivors | THEIR Stories Being Told by THEM

Courtney Wild, Haley Robson, and Jena-Lisa Jones were each recruited to Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach mansion as teenagers, where they were subjected to sexual abuse and grooming. All three have since become outspoken advocates for justice, pushing for government accountability and the release of the files related to Epstein's case. We sat down with them to hear more about their advocacy at CrimeCon.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Hi, I'm Pretty Wild. I'm a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. I was sexually abused and grew by him from the ages of 14 to 17. I found myself at a very dark place at that time. A fast life, drugs, anything to kill the pain. I suffered with addiction. I also found myself in prison, which changed my life and saved my life. I'm very grateful for that experience. I am a board member of the Survivors Inc., a founding member. We are trying to help survivors, help survivors. My goal is to educate, especially because in Palm Beach County, this happened in our school systems. So we're trying to coordinate and work with our, our school systems down south

• 0:45Speaker 00

  to create a video or some type of just educational informative for our children.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  My name is Yee Lee Robson. I was abused in Jeffrey's orbit from 16. I was there for about two years. For 17 years, I was threatened into silence. I was shamed into silence. So for 17 years, I decided to keep to myself and not speak out. 2019, 2020, my therapist and I decided to, on a state level, on a very public level, we started educating the public on my story, on my narrative, what had happened to me and my abuse with Jeffrey. Where we're at now is you're headed in this place of confusion. Do you keep going forward if there's no end game? And like, what is the end game? What does that look like for any of us? When we are being told by members of Congress, we are being told by our government, drop it.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  We're not going to indict. There's no investigations. Everybody's goals differ. For me personally, I want to embarrass those men as much as I can. I think that the shame and guilt should win thousands on the perpetrators and the adults that not only abused us, but were complicit in the cover.

• 1:51Speaker 00

  Hi, my name is Jolissa Jones, and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein when I was just 14 years old. For years, I couldn't say anything to anybody, and I carried a lot of guilt and shame and guilt. And finally, at 18, I got pregnant with my first child. And I think that was like a really light switching experience for me, becoming a mother and wanting to be that person that nobody was for me.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  And everything in the is about protecting the next generation and the next kids and and educating and all that. And so we started the Survivor's Week and we founded that and we have worked really, really hard, you know, we're still just getting up off the ground and but the strides that we've made and the people and the younger generation that we've already touched is just so beautiful. And we have the attention of the government, we have the attention of the Congress members, we have the president's attention right now. Yet nothing is happening with this and there's only one person to fail right now for it. So.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  And it's a woman.

• 2:51Speaker 00

  A woman.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Let's point that out.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I think our goal is to just put these bad people away so that they don't continue to do this. They're finding better ways, better tactics, and they're still doing the same things that they were doing to us 20 something years ago.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  And I'm Derek Levasseur.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  As you heard from the intro, we're here with Courtney Wild, Haley Robson, and Jenna Lisa Jones, three survivors of Jeffrey Epstein. And today, because we already know who they are and what they went through, we're talking about where we go from here. How do we move forward? And how do we find actual justice for these survivors and everybody like them?

• 3:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, for me personally, hearing your stories and hearing about how basically your experience in this was an afterthought. When deals were being made behind closed doors without any consultation from any of you is a complete miscarriage of justice. Unfortunately, we can't change that, hoping by you guys coming out and speaking about it, it changes it for survivors in the future. That's that's the goal here. We wanted you to hear directly from them, not from us talking about it. We can in no way, shape, or form express what they've gone through, what they're continuing to go through, and the courage it takes to do what they're doing.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  And you're all continuing to work together with legislators to try and change laws and try to change these things. In fact, there was just a hearing in May, correct? Yes. Yes. So we want to talk a lot about that. Let's get started.

• 4:27Speaker 04

  I think something you bring up, which is so important, and we try to really emphasize it on Crime Weekly, is education, information, informing the next generation. We just recently interviewed Elizabeth Smart.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  And we both have daughters. I have a 13-year-old.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Yes, we have very young daughters. And I mean, I have an older daughter who's in her 20s, but we talked about this with Elizabeth Smart, how we train our children to obey adults, respect adults, obey adults. We don't train them to listen to their instincts.

• 4:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  This isn't wrong. We don't even allow them to say, "Oh, I don't want to hug this family member or kiss this family member." But we should be. I mean, we do, right?

• 5:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, we condition them. It's like, "Oh, you don't like your uncle, your aunt."

• 5:07Speaker 03

  But that's your uncle, that's your aunt, you know? Give them a kiss when you leave. No, it's a whole sense. We're teaching them they don't have bodily autonomy, and that's very damaging.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  I don't teach my daughter that because of what I went through.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  We don't either, yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  And I think that parenting looks very different when you've been through things that we've been through and you've been traumatized in a way. So you know how these predators work. You know the tactics they use. They know the things that they're saying. And so you try to apply that to your parenting, like, "I have to stay away from those words or those phrases or those verbiage or those language. I have to use this instead." Or it can be tricky.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. But it's a very important, it's really nice that you all kind of have said similar things, like, "It's the next generation." And it's, "You didn't have that. I didn't have that." It was a very different world. And it's a lot of internalizing. "I did something," self-blaming. But we have to move away from that with the next generation of young girls and boys.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  Because we know that it's both. The children are victimized, no matter who they are or where they come from, they will be victimized. And sometimes it is family members. So we really have to be careful to let our children know, "Nothing you're uncomfortable with will you be forced to do." So it's so important, and we really appreciate that. Now, I want to kind of talk about the 2008 non-prosecution agreement because that's a very, a very hot spot here because it's kind of where everything started and I think where we as the public looked at what happened there and said, "Something's going on. This is not normal. This does not happen." Now, in general, I will say that sex crimes against women and children usually aren't prosecuted to the extent they should be anyways, right?

• 6:49Speaker 03

  So you'll see somebody get 15 years, they'll be out in five, something like that, but they're going to prison. Jeffrey Epstein's going to home to work, he's emailing people, you know, he's having conversations and, and living a pretty normal life, all, all, but he acted like it was just the worst thing that had ever happened to him, right? So, but it's, he's got a comfortable life still. He's serving very little time and in this non-prosecution agreement, he's making it so that other people in his orbit are also getting immunity, which is not something you typically see. So, when you found out about this and you realized that this agreement had been made

• 7:30Speaker 03

  without consulting the, the people and the, the women and children that he had victimized, what was your initial reaction?

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Mine was very different from everybody else.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  I went in front of a grand jury. I was one of the only victims that went in front of a grand jury and I don't want to get too much into it, but what they tried to do to me and what they, and what they did to Jeffrey, the, the crime and the punishment didn't suit some, it didn't fit and then to drag me into this, a child victim, and then give the adult co-conspirators bargains and plea deals. Even the men, this is why I pointed out that Ghislaine was a woman, there are men. I was recruited by a 20-year-old male, not even a victim, he wasn't a victim, I, a 20-year-old male that recruited me.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Enabled him.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  And they never opened an investigation into him. They never questioned him the way that I got dragged in to a grand jury. So, they tried to indict me on charges and they, they decided not to because with the evidence that was produced, they said, "This girl's a victim." What, like, this is, doesn't fit. So, I was very upset when I found out that he not only got a prosecution agreement, but that there were four co-conspirators that were enabled. Abolishing his abuse at that time and that were also guaranteed immunity, including Ghislaine. I think that when Jeffrey had passed away, the it's a free fall. Slate's clean, we gotta reback, we gotta go back. It's the least the government can do. I was mortified. I couldn't believe

• 9:07Speaker 01

  I couldn't believe the audacity after what we got called prostitutes and whores. When you can't, you, you as a child, not only can you not consent to sex, you can't consent as a child to commercial sex trade. Trafficking is part of the commercial sex trade. So when people say, oh, there recruiters, there's this, there's that. Children are protected by laws because of coercive control from adults like Jeffrey Epstein. His plea deal was absolutely a disgrace and an embarrassment. And they need to drag Alex Acosta by his balls, drag him back in.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Something similar is happening in New Mexico. Yes, and I'm following that and I find it very

• 9:50Speaker 02

  With the crime victims, right Zach?

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Uh huh. I find it odd that the state's attorney there is kind of doing the same thing, that they're demanding Yes, it seems to be that they're demanding like we need an investigation into this and it seems like they're just sort of doing something public facing. But not really doing anything at all. And it's shocking when you look at the timeline. When you look at the timeline where it seemed like, okay, they're gonna go ahead and prosecute and they're gonna do it to the full extent that they're allowed and then suddenly something shifted. What do you think it was that shifted?

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Our government would crumble.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  I mean, Pam Boni sent it herself. She said, if we go after these people, our government will fall.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Is that a bad thing?

• 10:35Speaker 02

  No, it's not. So, but it needs to happen. Clear house. Start over.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  Burn it all down.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Burn it, you know? And it wouldn't be the first time that our government has had to do something, you know?

• 10:49Speaker 04

  When the people investigating are potentially involved.

• 10:53Speaker 05

  All the time, like even with me going to prison, I had such an issue with law enforcement my whole life. No respect, I don't trust you, and it actually almost triggered. So I moved into a neighborhood and my neighbor was a cop, just like psychologically. I'm okay now, but like back then...

• 11:09Speaker 00

  You're okay, Derek.

• 11:13Speaker 00

  She's like, "I don't trust you," and I'm like...

• 11:16Speaker 05

  No, no, I'm good now.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, me neither.

• 11:19Speaker 05

  No, but I wanted to touch on in 2008, it was just so crazy, because I found Brad Edwards, my attorney, and yeah, we started going after them, you know. It was so confusing because the feds were coming and questioning us, and then he took the state charges, you know, just, I thought that there was a federal case on me for the investigation they're doing, but they eliminated us. He took those charges, and then everybody was covered who was, you know, complacent in the crimes. And to me, it was just crazy because the government sent me letters that my attorney has. "Please, please be patient, and this is going to be

• 12:01Speaker 05

  a lengthy process, but we are, you know, we're doing everything we can to put this man in behind bars." At that point, when they sent me that letter, the non-prosecution agreement was already signed and sealed.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 12:14Speaker 05

  So they were buying time. They did everything that they could to keep us in the dark. I went to court for the CVRA, I would say probably 2016, and we got to see emails. And the emails is literally Jeffrey, his lawyers, and the state prosecutors, and the feds, Alex Acosta, they meet all over Starbucks, personal settings at their houses, and they're literally orchestrating on how they're gonna get him off on the least amount of time. Literally, "Are you okay with this amount of time?" in the emails. So for me, that there's no accountability that Barry

• 12:59Speaker 05

  Crisher, the state prosecutor, Alex Acosta, the federal...

• 13:03Speaker 05

  What was he?

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Attorney.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  State's attorney? Why, there's gotta be accountability there. Why isn't there?

• 13:10Speaker 01

  He doesn't feel like he did anything wrong though, even now, like

• 13:13Speaker 04

  They never do.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  They never do, and he says like, I remember when he was forced to resign, the argument was he didn't do anything criminal, it was moral. Okay, well, you have to have a moral standing for you to be in the position you're in. Hello.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Also, when the people who are making the laws make sure there's loopholes so that what they do

• 13:30Speaker 01

  They're crimes.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Is making sure that they're not doing anything criminal.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  This is a system that has no checks and balances. So, a- at the end of the day, do you believe that there was one person that sort of came in and made a change? Or do you think it was just a collective agreement of, like you said, there was more victims and you think they just stopped at one point and they're like, this is

• 13:48Speaker 05

  I do.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  This is getting, this is getting too big.

• 13:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  We don't, we don't really want to even know how deep this goes.

• 13:54Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  You said it earlier, complacency, just like being complicit in the whole thing.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  There were forty minors. Think of it this way, there were forty minors and you only presented, I think, four or five of them to the grand jury. And I said this when I did Shannon Cake about six years ago, five years ago, I said to her, had there been forty minors presented to the grand jury, as there should have been, this conversation wouldn't be happening because he wouldn't be out of prison, he'd be there for life.

• 14:19Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  And we want to be very clear, this doesn't, and it shouldn't be a political thing, because even though it involves our government, and I've said this for a long time, I honestly, since Edward Snowden, I've kind of been a person who's like, listen, it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. Behind closed doors, they're all drinking scotch and smoking cigars together and, you know, cheer, cheering themselves to, you know, how great they've been at, at keeping the facade up. And it really is a facade. Now, that doesn't mean there aren't good people in government who want to make a change, but the system itself is preventing that from happening. So there's small cogs in a machine that's Been built to basically shield a certain amount of people and a certain type of person.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  And everybody else, even though we're the voters and we're supposed to be making the decisions. This is all a facade. We don't make the decisions. We don't have a say. And it's the biggest, I think, sham in history at this point, that we are still led to believe we have control.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  You gave me chills.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Because we don't. And it has nothing to do with, I'm a Republican, I'm a Democrat. They're all kind of in it together because they have the money, they have the power, which is exactly what we saw with Jeffrey Epstein. What he needed and wanted was money, power, influence, the right connections, making sure he had his hand in every pot, whether it was education, government, banking. He needed to make sure he had people in all these areas so that if anything ever came up in those areas, he had help or he had protection. And this is what they're all doing. It's all a networking thing.

• 15:53Speaker 04

  It's not even just at the federal level. It's at the state level. Even as a detective, I mean, working cases, you put the work in to get the guy, you build a strong case, you present it, and then all of a sudden, there's a deal, and as the lead investigator, I'm not even consulting on it.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  Really?

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. There were multiple times where I had full-blown fights with the AG's office, and I'm like, what are we doing here? Why is there a deal need to be made? We got him. We don't need to, we don't need to talk to him. But, you know, there's other, other things at play there, you know?

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's just crazy to think that, like, when you have all this information, like Jeffrey was supposed to be on a federal level. They brought him back to the state. When you're saying at a federal level, when they're going for those charges, they have everything to put you away. They have, they don't, they don't just be like, oh, we're gonna investigate this on a federal level. They have him. They had him.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  That's why we're convicted. It's 85% minimum sentencing.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  Because they got you dead right.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  So, the fact that it got moved back and forth is just, I mean...

• 16:47Speaker 03

  It's enraging, and it's also enraging, I think, to see the general tone of, of the community out there, America. Everyone's fighting about something stupid, when if we could unite.

• 17:02Speaker 03

  They'd never have a chance.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  But that's what we were trying to do.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  So when all of us...

• 17:07Speaker 03

  But the system's programmed so that you can't.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Well, look at Thomas Massey.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  That's a horrific example of a broken system.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Everything.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  He lost his seat.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Look what happened to Marjorie. Our media and our social media and everything is designed to make us be mad at each other so that we don't see what they're doing and it's enraging. And that's going to bring me to the Transparency Act because, I mean, listen, I've been on the Epstein thing for many years and so when I heard these files were going to be released, I was like, "All right, I'm so ready. Like, I've been waiting for this." And then they only released half. And so you were like, "Okay, well, that's a lot. That's millions of files. Maybe, you know, I'll take some time to go through this and then they'll release the rest." They kind of made it seem like that's what was going to happen, that that was the plan. And now, the tone has changed where it's like, actually, there doesn't seem to be any scheduled point where the rest of these files are going to be released. So what's in the rest of the files?

• 17:58Speaker 03

  Because we have these files here and there's a lot of stuff in there, a lot of people in education, a lot of people falling because of this. But not the politicians, really, right? Not the people who are in control making the laws. So, as far as the transparency, I would say it's safe to say all three of you would like to see every single file released to the public.

• 18:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, they didn't redact it as my name once.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Oh, I know. They redacted all of these other names.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  They didn't.

• 18:27Speaker 05

  They didn't. To be honest, I don't even really... I try to stay out of the news and I... the files, I know what part I played in it, so I haven't gone down that rabbit hole. But somebody mentioned that their name wasn't redacted, so I Googled my name and sure enough, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, I mean, I'm out already, but it's just, we've heard testimonies just recently from girls and they're like, you know, "I've been forced to come out in public, so here I am."

• 18:52Speaker 03

  You were a minor victim at the time, so technically, your name should have been redacted.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Mine wasn't redacted from the very beginning and it should have been.

• 19:00Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  So from the very beginning, after I sat there, told him what he did to me, it was never redacted. I, I play this back in my mind, I, I, I think about what could be left in those files. Um, and I have an idea, and I can say that I know there's emails in those files.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Oh yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  I know that, I'm sure more men, I'm sure more men are implicated in those files.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  I'm keeping my foot on their neck. I'm not letting the DOJ get away with this. I'm full speed, I'm not, I'm not going to allow them, I don't care what embarrassing information is out there in those files. The men need to be embarrassed, the men need to be ashamed, the men need to be outed. I don't care if it's a simple micro penis comment. Everybody needs to be outed in those files because I can speak for myself and I think I can speak for the other women. The release and the unredaction was embarrassing to all of us as a nation, and you still covered for those assholes. And the part that really gets me is just say it was deliberate. This, it being an accident, there's no way you accidentally leaked photos. It wasn't even the names, it was the naked photos that I had an issue with.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  So, I think we're all disgusted, and you have to remember too, I don't know if the public fully is aware. Everything that you guys are reading and seeing at face value in real time, they're doing the same, I'm doing the same. Nobody gave us a heads up, nobody told us anything, it was just outed.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  And everything we're reading and seeing has been carefully curated.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  To fit a narrative.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  To fit a narrative.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  You're getting fragments.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  And, and also, hey, we know what we're putting out, we're not just throwing it all out there. Half of it, it's the first half, it's the second half, no. It's been gone through and cherry picked and handpicked.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  But that's deliberate.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  It's a deliberate.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  It's a CIA tactic.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  Everything's deliberate, it's all propaganda, and it's all what's the narrative right now that we need to continue doing what we're doing.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  If they release those 2.5 million files they're still sitting on, the narrative disappears. The narrative no longer exists because if those 2.5 million files are released, people are going to be able to put the rest of the pieces together. So everything that we're seeing is very deliberate and it goes back to the system that we're up against. And when people say, well, where were they 20 years ago? Courtney was one of the first people.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  She worked her butt off to get to where she is today. And Brad and Brittany, they worked together on it. If it wasn't for her, this wouldn't have had traction.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  If it wasn't for Courtney and the crime victim, there would be no traction. There would be nothing.

• 21:31Speaker 03

  It's really nice how you all support each other.

• 21:34Speaker 05

  And I did want to bring up too that I've been, so like we've lost a lot of Survivor sisters.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 21:41Speaker 05

  You know, ODs, a lot of ODs. You know, we actually have a Survivor sister out on the streets here. She's been gone for five years, you know? So all this, these tablets.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  She's missing? Nobody knows where she is?

• 21:54Speaker 05

  No, we, she's here. And we, we think that we have a like Fremont, like just around here. So we're trying to bring her home on a little side quest. While we're here. But the thing about it is, is this is where, Haley said this, like, please humanize us, you know? As much as we come up here and try to look like badasses and say, oh, we're fighting for transparency and honesty. And we want to save the next generation. It's at a cost. And a lot of my Survivor sisters were all at different healing stages. And there, a lot of my Survivor sisters are not making it out. You know, when I, when we walked last night looking for Shawna,

• 22:35Speaker 05

  and I have seen those streets and how I know she's been living for the past five years? That shit broke me. And it's the government. This shit all started with the Epstein case and the trauma and the victim blaming and shaming and the detective. And everybody tried to make us go away. So I think it's empowering for me to be like, okay, I was 14 years old with braces on my face when you sexually abused me. And just to know I was able to take that motherf** down later on in life. You know?

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Absolutely. We're proud of you.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  Thank you. I'm proud of myself. Honestly, it's been a story I've told where I haven't taken the credit, of course.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  I'm always reminding her.

• 23:16Speaker 05

  We just did the meet and greet and it was like, it was so, God, you guys are gonna have me crying. It was so personal and so, it was so amazing because like we have real people supporting us, being like, you know, you helped us.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  Teach our class and you gave us knowledge that we weren't, we didn't have access to. Thank you, you know, and.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, they weren't, they weren't grilling us and not making me angry. It was like.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  You guys, I mean, you guys have an incredible impact and listen, you guys all seem like straight shooters. Nothing will ever make up for what you experienced. I think you guys already know that. But what you're doing is even bigger than yourselves at this point.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  You're leaving a lasting impact on the future generations. As a father, myself of two daughters, you're protecting them and you don't even know them. So I think that's something that you have to carry with you and I think you already know that like. There's something bigger than yourselves at this point. You're representing so much more. You're representing a lot of women and, and men that you don't even know.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  And it's hard. It's not easy work, right? We all like to think we're going to be Erin Brockovich. But then we get out in the world and we're threatened and our kids are threatened and there's people who hate us just simply for telling the truth that makes them uncomfortable. And you, you wonder like, no, I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help everybody. Why are you so mad at me? And a lot of people wouldn't be able to keep on that path, but you have. And so you're, it's so important that, that you do continue and we will give you whatever help you need.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Whatever platform you need, whatever call to action you need. It's so important to make sure that the people who are brave enough and strong enough to continue on the path and do the mission. Are having, are having the support because you're not going to get it from a lot of places, unfortunately.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Just remember that we're humans.

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Courtney said like, you know, this has been an incredible journey and I have. Like absolutely no regrets for being public. I'm glad it happened the way it happened. I think there was a reason for it. But when you see women like Courtney Wild or Generalista Jones or myself or other girls of any of yous stand up there. Understand that.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  Not only does it take a lot of courage, we have a whole life behind closed doors and you have no idea what we're dealing with. Don't ever be the reason why somebody pulls the trigger on their life.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  The internet's a hard place. You probably stay away from it.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Totally get it.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  I also want to remind people that like not, this comes at such a great cost to us. But the cost it comes to our family and to our kids and I really don't think that people remember that. That my teenage kids get, you know, they talk about us. They talk about us. They are talking about this in schools. And, and saying things and yes, some are nice and some are not and, and our husbands and we're re, we're reliving our trauma every day and one thing clicks. And you know, it's like we're 14 again. So it's just that reminder. It's not just at the cost of us. It's at the cost of our family members.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  And the people that are there for us every day. And um, I just so appreciate it for our families and, and the people that we have in our corner.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Appreciate it for each other, right?

• 26:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, for sure.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  This is the support system that you needed.

• 26:39Speaker 05

  There's such a beautiful bond when all the Survivor sisters get together. And what's crazy is so much alike, man. There's so, there's one girl specifically, Ashanti Davies, that is like just every, she just does so many things like me. And it's just like, oh man.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Is there anywhere you want us to direct our audiences? They're seeing this, there may be some of them being introduced to you guys for the first time. Something where they should go or if they're experiencing something, is there anything, well, obviously you have links in all of our episodes, but anything specifically that you want them to be aware of?

• 27:12Speaker 05

  Um, The Survivors Inc., we offer life coaching. Um, we try to help with just like basic life tasks. For me, I try to focus on the prison. People have been incarcerated and want to reestablish relationship back with their kids. And you hear people go to prison and they go back because it's easier and they're not, they don't have support systems and all these things. So thesurvivors.org, if you want to support us and make a donation, all the, all donations go to survivors of sexual abuse, so.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  We're gonna make a donation. Thank you so much. And also with the Crime Victims Rights Act, obviously you're trying to change that. It's basically just a piece of paper at this point. You want to have it so that those pre-prosecution deals, those non-prosecution deals, you guys, the victims are involved with that process. Where does that stand right now? Is there anything that our audience can do to support you on that journey, on that fight? Is it going out?

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Write letters, send emails.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Yep, write letters, send emails and contact Congress and let them know that you want to be a part of the change. And you want to see the Courtney Wilde Crime Victims Rights Act Reform 2019 go through. Because it's still up in the air.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  It's a long, it's a long name.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  This would close that hole where instead of Jeffrey or people like him making these backdoor deals that you guys were just discussing, the actual people affected by it would have a say in that.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Hopefully, yes.

• 28:38Speaker 04

  They would have to be involved in that process. That would be the goal of this.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  They have to know about it.

• 28:42Speaker 04

  Absolutely, that's critical.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  And we've kind of said similar things where we've talked about criminals and who have taken children, killed them and then how-

• 28:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, we have our personal opinions on those things. Very vocal.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  We're very protective of children and how the family members really don't get a say in what happens. And they should, and they absolutely should, right?

• 29:03Speaker 04

  Justice looks like a room like this with just the parents.

• 29:06Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  We appreciate you guys being here. It takes a lot of courage to do what you're doing and we hope that everybody watching, listening right now follows their journey. They represent so much more than just you three. You're representing an entire community of people, not only in this particular case, but all of the cases involving-

• 29:25Speaker 01

  All demographics.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Exactly, that don't get the justice they deserve, so thank you so much.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  I think your vulnerability is beautiful because I know that based on knowing your childhoods and how things happened, there was a time when you probably felt vulnerability was a risk and a place, a thing that you couldn't do because it wouldn't make you safe. And now, after everything you've been through, you realize that that is- Your strength, the ability to connect with other humans and to show them that like, yes, we are just people and we feel things just like you and it's okay to, to show that and express it and it's, it's hard to come from where you were and to be able to be vulnerable and to tell your stories and to put yourself out there. So it's, it's very, I, I mean, I admire you guys a lot.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 30:14Speaker 04

  With all due respect. Thank you so much for doing this.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  So that was obviously very impactful, very emotional, a great conversation with these three ladies. Thank you so much Courtney Haley and Jenna Lisa Jones. We really appreciate them taking the time and we really hope that you guys listening out there and watching are as impacted as we have been by their words.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Yes, please support them and all the survivors, especially the Crime Victims Right Act. That is something that we can have an impact on. We want to have that amendment. We want to make that change so that people like them are considered before these ridiculous deals are made. We appreciate the love and support. We'll see you guys later this week.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  Bye.