The Body Politic Part II

Conan continues chatting with body mod expert Grace from Bristol to learn about extreme genital modification, body suspension, and more. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:15Conan O'Brien?

  You know, when you own a house, you gotta fix it yourself. Sona,

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:17Conan O'Brien?

  you, you see this to be true, right?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, your garage door breaks and you're like, well, I have to fix it.

• 0:22Conan O'Brien?

  Probably at first you said, hey, I'll get the super to fix it. It's your house, dude.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  It's mine, dude!

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• 1:20Speaker 03

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• 1:29Speaker 04

  We are back for Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan for a part two with a guest, which I think is like the first time we've ever done this.

• 1:35Conan O'Brien?

  I think it was the first time, because we started talking, what Grace does fascinates me. Grace is a body modification model and tattoo artist. She's talking to us about body modification. Uh, we've, in the previous episode, which you've got to listen to, uh, before you listen to this one, you talked about many things. You talked about having your eyes tattooed purple. You removed your belly button. You have a split tongue. Uh, you have various face cuttings, which we haven't even discussed. And then, of course, we got into, um, what you might suggest for me, which involved splitting my penis in half.

• 2:12Speaker 04

  Your scrotum.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess.

• 2:13Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, the shaft.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15Conan O'Brien?

  The shaft, and let's just call it the shaft.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 2:18Conan O'Brien?

  The shaft would be cut in half, and then the scroti would be separated.

• 2:24Speaker 04

  Um, I guess if you're making two, they would become scroti. Wow.

• 2:28Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I just love saying scroti.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Let's make sure we get that grammar right.

• 2:32Conan O'Brien?

  And then,

• 2:35Conan O'Brien?

  you can't split an infinitive or a scroti. So anyway.

• 2:39Speaker 04

  And then we ended on a bit of a cliffhanger where, Sona, do you wanna restate your question for Grace?

• 2:44Speaker 01

  I was, I thought when Grace was describing this, the penis split, that when it gets erect, it just naturally, like, comes back together.

• 2:53Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it's a transformer. It just suddenly becomes...

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Cause if you, you want,

• 2:59Conan O'Brien?

  A monster truck.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  You want the girth in there, and...

• 3:03Conan O'Brien?

  Or you want the girth.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. I don't want, you don't want the half. You want the girth. You want the whole thing. So I was like, do you tie it together with something?

• 3:12Conan O'Brien?

  How does someone, a guy, perform, uh, the act of intercourse, if you will? Uh, how does he perform that act if, um, his Don Johnson is split in half and one's going slightly to the right and it's, they're at a 45-degree angle to each other? Or is that a new kink? Is that a new way to please women? Maybe it is.

• 3:30Speaker 05

  I, I think that depending on the anatomy, it's probably gonna have some difficulties in having conventional sex. But I also think that men who are interested in cutting their dicks in half aren't interested in conventional sex.

• 3:46Conan O'Brien?

  Probably.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  I see.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  Probably not even interested in sex. Um, so yeah.

• 3:52Conan O'Brien?

  Interesting.

• 3:53Speaker 05

  I think that the desire to have, uh, you know, if your, your desire to split your penis is so great that you actually do it, it's gotta be greater than having, you know.

• 4:05Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 4:05Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's gonna be going into the unknown of like, I have no idea what my sensitivity's gonna be like after this. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to have sex the way I used to have sex. Well, you know, in that, in that sense of like, general intercourse, like.

• 4:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 05

  But yeah, it's, I also, just to say, like, in my experience, most of the people that have a lot of extreme genital modifications, especially men, are usually people who don't have any other visible tattoos or modifications, and usually are in like, pretty corporate, high-power jobs.

• 4:41Conan O'Brien?

  Interesting. Wow.

• 4:43Speaker 04

  Where's Adam?

• 4:47Conan O'Brien?

  Adam Sacks couldn't be here today. He says he's, actually, he's in Europe right now. This is true. He's in Europe. He said he's in Europe with his family, but I saw his wife yesterday at the Arowan with his kids. So I don't know what's going on, but he might be, next time we see him, this is really fascinating.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, so I feel like Grace is saying, I wouldn't meet one of these guys just like at a bar I'm at.

• 5:14Conan O'Brien?

  No, if...

• 5:14Speaker 01

  And he would not be interested in me randomly.

• 5:17Conan O'Brien?

  Well, first of all.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  I don't think split dick guys want this. I'm like, kinda...

• 5:22Conan O'Brien?

  Split Dick's a great name for a band.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 5:24Conan O'Brien?

  Isn't it?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:25Conan O'Brien?

  Ladies and gentlemen, Split Dick!

• 5:28Conan O'Brien?

  No, and then it's just soft acoustic rock. I wonder why I love you every day and more, with like really beautiful harmonies. More and more, I see you now, see you now. We'll be back with more Split Dick!

• 5:48Conan O'Brien?

  Split Dick will be appearing at the Newport Folk Festival next week. Don't miss them.

• 5:53Conan O'Brien?

  It's Ron on dulcimer

• 5:58Conan O'Brien?

  and Jeremy on the 12-string nylon guitar.

• 6:02Speaker 04

  And those are just the daves for the two halves.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Split Dick!

• 6:05Conan O'Brien?

  Split Dick! Uh, Grace, this is just fascinating. Um, as much as I wanna stay, uh, stay with the genitals, and I do love to hang with the genitals, I do know that you've, is that for me, by the way?

• 6:18Speaker 04

  Oh, that's from last time.

• 6:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah, I know. I don't know why it didn't come off. You know what I mean? Don't be Ronaldo, be Messi.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Oh my god!

• 6:27Conan O'Brien?

  Sorry. Sorry. Don't have people hate you, have people love you. Oh my god. Uh, now I'm gonna stay on the genitals, just because I think this is what fascinates me.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  I have follow-up questions.

• 6:38Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, go for it.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  Are you planning on anything new, Grace, or is, do you feel like this is, you've arrived at where you'd like to be?

• 6:46Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, I don't think I would get any more body modifications. I think I'm kinda done. Uh, but the only thing in that realm that I would do, I know I'll do again, is the body suspension. You know, when people hang from, when people hang from hooks?

• 7:02Conan O'Brien?

  Wait, what?

• 7:03Speaker 01

  That are like in their bodies, right?

• 7:05Speaker 04

  In their skin, right?

• 7:06Conan O'Brien?

  Wait, excuse me, I don't under, I, I've not heard of this. People are suspended from hooks that go into their skin. That's like a medieval torture. How does that not hurt like crazy?

• 7:21Speaker 05

  It's actually the most euphoric and blissful experience that I've ever had.

• 7:26Conan O'Brien?

  You've done it. You've done it.

• 7:28Speaker 05

  I've done it multiple times, yeah.

• 7:29Conan O'Brien?

  So where do the hooks go?

• 7:32Speaker 05

  Uh, the first time I suspended, I just had two in my back, so kind of like above the, below your traps, above your shoulder blades.

• 7:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 05

  But I didn't like it. I felt very constricted.

• 7:43Conan O'Brien?

  Uh huh.

• 7:44Speaker 05

  And then, one of the, there was this girl called Alice who used to facilitate all the suspensions back in the day. And she was like, Grace, you need to be upside down. There's nothing better. So then I did my first knee suspension. I, they put two hooks either side of your knee.

• 8:01Conan O'Brien?

  Um, in the skin, in the skin.

• 8:04Speaker 05

  In the skin, yeah.

• 8:06Conan O'Brien?

  I can't believe the skin doesn't give way.

• 8:08Speaker 04

  I know, it's incredible.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  I think the body is so cool.

• 8:11Speaker 05

  Unbelievable, yeah. It's unbelievable how strong your skin is. Like, if it's pierced, obviously, it has to be pierced under the epidermis and go through all of the layers. Um, and it has to, you know, throwing hooks, they call it, is like something you have to have done by someone who knows what they're doing. Um, and it's not something you can just do yourself in your back garden, like. Um, but it's honestly incredible. I've seen people of all different shapes and sizes suspend.

• 8:38Conan O'Brien?

  And what is it, that you said there's this feeling of euphoria, do you really feel like you're floating? Is that it? Do you feel like you're free of earth's gravity?

• 8:46Speaker 05

  Yes, and it's, yeah, it's like the most blissful, obviously, there's an element of pain when they put the hooks in. That's a bit of a, you know, moment you've gotta brace yourself for. And then when you first get lifted up, some people go up really slow, some people go up really fast. I like to just get up there and get it done, um, cause that is the uncomfortable part. But once you're up there, you just have to kind of relax, like getting a deep tissue massage, you know, like, relax the body, deep breaths, and then this kind of wave of calm and euphoria just kind of like floods over you. And being upside down and being, cause I like to, some people just like to be static.

• 9:29Speaker 05

  I like to be swung around, you know, people holding my hands and like swinging me around. So I'm just like, you know, like a little ribbon on a maple. Um, and yeah, it's just, it feels incredible.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  That's so cool. Like a lot of medical, obviously, right? Like, a lot of people who do this have to have some expertise. Like, are they nurses or doctors who just feel, figure out how far the body can go?

• 9:54Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna bring up one word: infection. So if you're putting any, I would guess you'd want people who are sterilizing everything before...

• 10:03Speaker 05

  You want someone who has, like, a piercing background, or who has been doing this for a long time? And, you know, all hooks and needles, needles are single-use. Hooks are sterilized and autoclaves, you know, like, tools are for surgery. Like, you want someone who knows exactly what they're doing when it comes to the levels with, like, the ropes and getting everything sorted and, like, actually the rigging of it. So, yeah, you don't just wanna, like, wing it or go to someone who isn't experienced. Usually, there's, like, crews, so, like, suspension crews will stick together. Um, like, a group of people, like, in Europe, there are, like, really, really, like,

• 10:43Speaker 05

  radical suspension and body modification, like, subcultures and, like, groups of people. When I was coming up in it, we were doing suspension, but, like, nowadays, people are doing, like, free-fall suspension, so instead of, like, you know, pulling yourself up gently, people are literally jumping off bridges and doing, like, bungee swings, but instead of being...

• 11:05Conan O'Brien?

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was quite certain that if I jumped off a bridge with these hooks in me, you'd hear a tearing sound, and a skeleton would go shooting into the Thames, and a freckled body bag with a red pompadour would be hanging like a popped balloon.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  A freckled body bag.

• 11:32Conan O'Brien?

  A freckled body bag would be hanging over the Thames, flapping like the flag for a really fucking sad country.

• 11:41Conan O'Brien?

  I'm quite certain that would happen.

• 11:51Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I wanna try something different.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  What?

• 11:53Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things, so I'm gonna try and make apple cider.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Ooh!

• 11:57Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:58Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:00Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:05Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:10Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:12Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:19Speaker 01

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• 12:20Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:29Speaker 01

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• 12:30Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:31Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:42Speaker 01

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• 12:43Conan O'Brien?

  I think it's a great idea.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:45Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:49Speaker 01

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• 12:50Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:54Speaker 01

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• 12:55Conan O'Brien?

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• 13:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 13:24Conan O'Brien?

  We all have those pieces in our closet we can count on. Sona, I imagine for you it's that leather jacket I got you.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Are you gonna do a bit?

• 13:30Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, it's a really nice leather jacket I got you once.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  I had that, and then I replaced it, and yes, I use it all the time.

• 13:36Conan O'Brien?

  We all have that versatile jacket, the perfect t-shirt, and those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy. And you know what I was thinking about this morning?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  What?

• 13:45Conan O'Brien?

  Quince. They do it best. They really do. I was really thinking about this.

• 13:49Speaker 01

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• 13:50Conan O'Brien?

  No, a co- coincidence.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Oh, no!

• 13:55Conan O'Brien?

  That's why I get the big money.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  I gotta go.

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• 14:13Speaker 01

  Louvre!

• 14:14Conan O'Brien?

  Now, Blay, you're using some Quince.

• 14:16Speaker 06

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• 14:27Conan O'Brien?

  You look like a different guy, because you're well-dressed.

• 14:29Speaker 06

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• 14:30Conan O'Brien?

  No, I'm serious. He looks like a hobo half the time.

• 14:32Speaker 06

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• 14:47Speaker 01

  All right.

• 14:47Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:09Conan O'Brien?

  Hey, I have a question. You were talking about how... You were talking about... You gonna be okay, Sona?

• 16:19Speaker 01

  That's the worst imagery I've ever...

• 16:23Conan O'Brien?

  Splash! Swabba, swabba, swabba!

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Don't do the sound effect.

• 16:27Conan O'Brien?

  Swabba, swabba, swabba!

• 16:28Speaker 01

  It makes it so much worse.

• 16:29Conan O'Brien?

  So, so Grace...

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 16:33Conan O'Brien?

  When you advised that I, uh, separate my, uh, the scrotum, or scroti, and we'll get some, of course, some viewer mail from that, um, Latin scholars are writing in. Latin scholars with a ball sense, ball fixation are gonna be writing in. Well, I, um, and you said I would get a big ring in there, like a metal ring. Am I crazy to think that that could be all-purpose? That I could use that to hang from? Would that work? Could I hang from it? I wouldn't jump off a bridge with that, but it's suddenly you've got... It's like a pickup truck, and you have a hitch attached.

• 17:13Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:13Conan O'Brien?

  I would now have a, I would have a hitch.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Utilitarian.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  It's so thin. Isn't that skin really thin?

• 17:20Conan O'Brien?

  Not mine.

• 17:20Speaker 05

  I probably wouldn't recommend suspending from the scrotum.

• 17:25Conan O'Brien?

  You wouldn't recommend it? I'm writing this down. Don't recommend suspending from scrotum.

• 17:31Speaker 05

  Then, you know...

• 17:32Conan O'Brien?

  My scrotum is one contest, yes. Uh, it is strong. Do, but I could also, and this is an attachment that could be useful, if I had a scrotor ring, that's, I know where my keys are all the time.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:48Conan O'Brien?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:49Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, I've got one of those little pill canisters, so, you know, my lipitor is in, is hanging off one. This is, I mean, you know where your shit is.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:57Conan O'Brien?

  You know where everything is all the time. There's no, where did I put that? It's right here. Don Johnson's got me backed up. Does that make sense?

• 18:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Does that make, yes, it makes complete sense. Every, yeah, it's a good place to put your cholesterol medication, for sure.

• 18:12Conan O'Brien?

  Well, now you're complicit in my crime. Thanks.

• 18:16Conan O'Brien?

  The, you know what? Keep it, keep down there? The, uh, the, uh, nipples that I had removed.

• 18:25Conan O'Brien?

  I would put them on the ring, too.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Like a duffel bag in your, by your balls?

• 18:30Conan O'Brien?

  I've got all kinds of shit down there. Yo, oh, a little Maglite? God damn it, I can't find my...

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Like a go-bag. That's just always with you.

• 18:38Conan O'Brien?

  It's a go-bag next to my bag.

• 18:40Speaker 04

  You should also have your keys on one of those janitor retractable cords.

• 18:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:44Speaker 05

  That's exactly what I thought when he said it. I was like, I'm...

• 18:47Conan O'Brien?

  That's so great. I could reach into a, basically, I would cut a hole in all my pants pockets. So I'd reach into my pocket and then, zzzzz, and I'd pull out whatever I needed.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:57Conan O'Brien?

  And then I'd let go, and it'd go, lu-lu, and it would hit my, my junk, and I'd get a quick erotic, ooh! And maybe have a quick mini orgasm, like, there you go. There, it's unlocked now. Zing! Ooh!

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Anytime someone needed a door open, they'd be like, "Don't ask Conan."

• 19:16Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. I'd be offering to open my door for anybody. Hey, uh, you wanna go in here?

• 19:22Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 19:23Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no. We don't really need to. We're good. I'll let you in. I'll open it just in case you ever need to go in. Zing!

• 19:30Speaker 01

  No, no, no. We'll wait. We'll wait for a locksmith. We're good.

• 19:33Conan O'Brien?

  Grace, you broke our podcast. You shattered it.

• 19:37Speaker 05

  I apologize.

• 19:38Conan O'Brien?

  I never knew that this, uh, this very cool woman in Bristol, England, could destroy a podcast.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  Here's the problem. I think I'm gonna have questions later that I haven't even thought of yet, and I feel like I'm...

• 19:50Conan O'Brien?

  I can answer them.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  Okay. Oh, no.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  I can't think of two people that are more opposite than you and Grace.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:57Conan O'Brien?

  Grace, let's face it, I'm an uptight guy, uh, and I've played by the rules in so many ways, except in my comedy, I believe. I think that's where I let my freak flag fly.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:07Conan O'Brien?

  But, um...

• 20:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're the split dick of comedy.

• 20:10Conan O'Brien?

  In a way, I am. In a way, I am.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Girls.

• 20:20Conan O'Brien?

  They mentioned that in the Twain Award.

• 20:23Conan O'Brien?

  Please welcome this split dick of comedy.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  Clefton Twain.

• 20:27Conan O'Brien?

  Never, those twain shall meet. Listen, the, uh, I'm, I'm just, we are very different, but, um, we're so different, but I do feel like I'm, I have a real affinity for Grace because-

• 20:42Speaker 04

  There's that thing where it's like the game Pac-Man. You're so far afield, but if you go through those doors on the side, you're really just next to each other on the back. You know what I mean?

• 20:50Conan O'Brien?

  Sure. I was just thinking Pac-Man 2.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:54Conan O'Brien?

  But Grace, do you think in some ways we're kindred spirits even though we're so different?

• 20:58Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 20:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. If I, I mean, let's say I was in Bristol, England, and you and I were hanging out, would we, would you sense like, okay, I know he's, he's looked completely square. He's very uptight, but would you also see some, okay, I kind of get this guy?

• 21:16Speaker 05

  I have no doubt in my mind, if you came to Bristol after like a pint of cider, of like, because it's very big in Bristol is the cider. After a pint of cider, we would be out at an illegal rave. You would be dancing the night away.

• 21:30Conan O'Brien?

  You know, I might actually.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  I, I think so too.

• 21:32Conan O'Brien?

  It's so funny because I have, have always been this way, and then it just takes a little bit of spark of something and there's nothing I won't do.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's actually true. I think that there, I mean, I like, these CEOs probably didn't know they had that in them and then they needed somebody to get it out. Maybe Grace will get, what?

• 21:51Speaker 04

  Adam.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Maybe Grace will get it out of you. Maybe you will.

• 21:55Conan O'Brien?

  What if we're talking to Grace? Adam. Adam walks by in the background wearing a surgical robe, post-op.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  But still throwing, trying to throw to ads.

• 22:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. He's like, uh, Adam is at, he, he just, he doesn't even know we're there.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:12Conan O'Brien?

  But then he sees, he sees us and he goes, oh, make sure there's a dynamic ad insertion. We need to bump up the third quarter. Adam, what are you doing there? Well, I'm waiting for my dick to heal.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  I went three ways.

• 22:28Conan O'Brien?

  He's got three. He's got the tripod now.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Where, where are you, where are you moving to in the States? I hope it's not like Wisconsin or something. I don't know. Or maybe it is.

• 22:38Speaker 05

  I'm coming to Larchmont.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Angeli.

• 22:40Conan O'Brien?

  Oh. Hey Grace, Grace, you have to come by and, and visit us. We're at, uh, we have a little studio here in Larchmont.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  We should do a part three where you're in the room, you know?

• 22:50Speaker 05

  I would absolutely love that.

• 22:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, let's do that. Yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  So when do you arrive?

• 22:55Speaker 05

  I'm actually coming out in July, but, uh, for, uh, the month, and then I'll be moving out with my dogs in November.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  Well, can you, yeah, coordinate it. That's exciting.

• 23:06Conan O'Brien?

  Blay will coordinate that with you, Grace, and we'll get you in studio and, um, I will, uh, in, start fasting now.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  What are you fasting for?

• 23:17Conan O'Brien?

  My operation.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 23:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it's just, these are the things you have to do when you're about to, uh, have work done.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Wait, you seem to know a lot about it.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:25Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, I've had many things done.

• 23:26Speaker 05

  And I have lots of ideas for Sona, because I know you asked me what I, I think, um, Conan should have as one of the modifications, but I've got some ideas for you, babe. So we can go over that as well.

• 23:39Speaker 04

  Let's say that as a cliffhanger.

• 23:41Conan O'Brien?

  That's going to be the cliffhanger when you're here in studio.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  And maybe you'll do it.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Wait, maybe you'll do it.

• 23:48Conan O'Brien?

  Sona, let's find out what it is she has in store. Don't just say, yeah, go for it.

• 23:54Speaker 05

  All I'll say is that what I actually have in mind for you, because of something that you said during the podcast, is actually not permanent. So.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 24:04Conan O'Brien?

  This is intriguing.

• 24:04Speaker 05

  You can try it if you want.

• 24:05Conan O'Brien?

  Let's not give them away.

• 24:07Speaker 05

  But I will say that it's, it's pretty hardcore.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Oh, hell yeah. All right.

• 24:12Conan O'Brien?

  We're gonna do it.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Well, let's wait to see what it is first.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Nah, we're gonna do it.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  You can't just offer me up. Yeah.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Stay tuned for part three. We're definitely gonna do whatever this idea is.

• 24:21Conan O'Brien?

  On the table right here.

• 24:22Conan O'Brien?

  Surgery will be having, Sona will be having surgery in the podcast. First time that's happened on a podcast.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  And, uh, Grace is gonna talk Conan and I through the procedure. We're gonna do it.

• 24:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll put a pin in that.

• 24:34Conan O'Brien?

  Grace, uh, so fascinating talking to you, entertaining, enlightening, and just fascinating. And we can't wait to meet you in person.

• 24:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you so much. Honestly, it's been a pleasure and I really appreciate you having me part of it.

• 24:47Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, of course. What a delight. All right. Well, take care and stay cool. I know you guys are having a heat wave right now and.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  I'm about to go and get in the paddling pool in my garden where I've been all day. I'm just gonna sit in the dark in my garden in a paddling pool.

• 25:00Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  Try and cool down.

• 25:01Conan O'Brien?

  Just don't, just don't rust while you're in there.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  I'll try not to. I'll try not to.

• 25:07Conan O'Brien?

  All right. Take care, Grace. Bye-bye.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  All right. Thanks.

• 25:09Speaker 05

  Thank you, darling. Have a good day.

• 25:11Speaker 04

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