Summer S’pouses Episode 2: Amanda Lund

Amanda Lund feels ‘you go girl’ about being Matt Gourley’s spouse. Amanda talks to Conan and the crew about performing as a Disney princess at Tokyo Disney, satirizing The Total Woman, and Matt’s shocking secret side hustle. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply

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• 1:25Speaker 01

  Hi, my name is Amanda Lund.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  And I feel you go, girl, about being Matt Gourley's spouse.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Summer Spouses with Conan O'Brien, Sonam Obsessian and Matt Gourley. And Eliza Powell O'Brien, Tak Baroyan and Amanda Lund.

• 1:52Conan O'Brien?

  Amanda, we have a lot to talk about here because I have painted a picture of Matt over the years. And there occasionally have been charges that it's not an accurate picture. I portray him as an effete, you know, fez collecting, loot playing, twee who hangs out, right, in little bespoke garage sales, right?

• 2:17Speaker 03

  You're just asking the wrong person if I'm looking for a defense here.

• 2:21Conan O'Brien?

  But no, but I'm, of course, I'm a caricaturist, not a, I don't paint portraits, I make obscene caricatures. So Amanda, where have I gone wrong in describing the Matt Gourley we all know and tolerate?

• 2:34Speaker 01

  You're touching on so many truths. There's a lot of truth to it, but I think where you go wrong is the style aspect because I think people are imagining him in like a little vest and like a little cap.

• 2:46Conan O'Brien?

  I know he has one. It's deep, it's deep in the closet.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Do you have a vest?

• 2:51Speaker 03

  I have a vest as part of a suit, like a three-piece suit.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  But you've never had just a solo vest.

• 2:56Speaker 04

  Oh, like without a shirt on underneath.

• 2:58Conan O'Brien?

  So I go to-

• 2:59Speaker 03

  All the time, all the time.

• 3:01Conan O'Brien?

  He worked at Chippendales. Yes, I portray him as a guy who wears like a straw boater hat and a little bow tie that spins when he pushes a button in his pocket.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  And you know what? Since he started working here, he won't wear a bow tie anymore.

• 3:14Conan O'Brien?

  Anymore? Okay, that's great. So I'm changing his behavior.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  You and Tucker Carlson killed the bow tie.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  And I think one time he wore a little scarf, but that was just for 24 hours. And then it was like a little experiment that you did for a while. So that is true. And so it is true, he loves, he loves like little hobbies.

• 3:33Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Like a scarf, like a flight attendant?

• 3:37Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, a 1968 Swedish flight attendant. Named Inga, who's va-va-voom.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  It looked good and we were on vacation. It was like a kind of an open relaxed linen shirt with a little scarf.

• 3:49Conan O'Brien?

  Oh my God, if you were taking a-

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Yes, thank you, Amanda.

• 3:52Conan O'Brien?

  Amanda, thank, thank you. I can, I can live off the meat on that bone for seven years.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  I'm not, I didn't bring here to have you live for me.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:03Conan O'Brien?

  I need to sing your praises, Amanda. You are very talented and very accomplished. And I don't want to embarrass you or anything, but you have quite a list of things that you've done. You're a very successful podcaster. You have played Disney princesses, many different ones, is that right? Where did it all start? Why don't you tell your story for us?

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Okay, and you did this motion, which like kind of short.

• 4:31Conan O'Brien?

  I want, I want three, I want your life in three words.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Okay, this is like-

• 4:35Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, go for it, expand.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  This is a nightmare. I did not know I was going to be like interviewed.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  You didn't?

• 4:40Speaker 01

  No, I just thought I was more like a seat filler. Like here to-

• 4:43Conan O'Brien?

  No, Amanda, you are not a seat filler. And by the way, no, and if you think there was any planning that went behind any of us, any of this, you don't know us.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  We're, I'm just as surprised as you.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Okay, let me just say, I'm from Long Beach, California.

• 4:58Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Um, I, I worked at Disneyland. This is interesting. I played a princess when I was in high school into, into young adulthood. And that's where it stops.

• 5:10Conan O'Brien?

  But wait.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  And that's where I peaked.

• 5:13Conan O'Brien?

  But this is fascinating to me because I remember clearly my wife and I taking Nev to, I think we took her to Disneyland and the princesses were there. And to this day, I haven't seen my daughter that excited. I mean, she's excited about a lot of things, but it's, it's a kind of, they're meeting real royalty. These, it was, she was-

• 5:37Speaker 04

  Well, yeah.

• 5:37Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  It is real royalty.

• 5:39Conan O'Brien?

  The scary thing is she was 21 at the time. No, I'm kidding. No, she was just this little girl, but she was meeting Cinderella. I know you played Cinderella.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  And you did it in Tokyo for six months too, right?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  I played Mary Poppins in Cinderella in Tokyo when I was 21. And it was the best six months of my life.

• 5:56Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, well.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 5:58Conan O'Brien?

  So you know what it's like to just have-

• 6:00Speaker 04

  Been married for a while, have kids.

• 6:02Conan O'Brien?

  Adored.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  You know what? I had fans. When you work at Tokyo Disney, you have like full-on a fan base.

• 6:08Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Because they're, the fan culture there, especially for Disney, is just outrageous and they love it so much. So I would be just riding the subway on my day off and someone would come up to me and like hand me an envelope that was filled with pictures of myself from the park.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Oh my God.

• 6:23Conan O'Brien?

  Oh my God, is that kind of scary?

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Well, I liked it. I did like it. And then also on the last day that you work, all of your fans, because at the beginning of your term, you, you worked there for six months, people decide like that's, I'm going to be a fan of hers. And then on your last day, they all wait for you and they shower you with gifts.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  Oh my God.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  Like you're dying.

• 6:44Conan O'Brien?

  We know we're, we're learning some important things here.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  The other ones.

• 6:47Conan O'Brien?

  Matt wore a scarf once, like a flight attendant. And Amanda likes mend a photographer from a great distance.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:54Conan O'Brien?

  And then hand her the photos in an envelope.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  It's nice to have, you don't get a lot of pictures of yourself, you know? Especially as a mom, you're always behind the camera.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's true.

• 7:02Conan O'Brien?

  Through shrubbery.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  I was, I was, I was going to say, I know there's like a distinction between the ones that have to wear the heads and then the like, the ones like you who are just, it's your face.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  So is there, is there like a legit hierarchy?

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Well, okay, when I worked there, yes. But it was just a pay hierarchy because a face character, you get paid a little bit more, but you don't get paid as much as what Matt did at Disneyland, which was, he was a talking trash can.

• 7:33Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, they know. Unbelievable, unbelievable.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Pushed the talking trash can and he got paid, no joke, like three times as much as I was making as a princess and working-

• 7:41Conan O'Brien?

  Is it hazard pay? Because people, people, people are constantly shaming a half-eaten burrito in there.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  I wasn't in the trash can for the 100th time.

• 7:50Conan O'Brien?

  You know what?

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Were you on your knees like waddling?

• 7:53Conan O'Brien?

  So you weren't inside? I think that's where you really should get the big bucks, if you were inside the trash can.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  No, I was walking around with a really smart scarf on.

• 8:00Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah?

• 8:01Speaker 03

  And, and I had a little remote controller in a bag and so I was nearby with a microphone hidden in the crowd.

• 8:07Conan O'Brien?

  And the, and it's a remote control? Are you controlling the motions of the? Wow, okay, so it was like early drone work?

• 8:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, so you could see why I was at a higher pay grade.

• 8:16Speaker 04

  No, I don't see that.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  No, I don't either.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  No, the princess-

• 8:18Conan O'Brien?

  Is it true that the military is interested in weaponizing these trash cans?

• 8:23Conan O'Brien?

  Just to go defend Ukraine? We're going to send 10,000 trash cans? Could be 10,000 Matt Gourleys?

• 8:30Speaker 04

  Doing improv?

• 8:31Conan O'Brien?

  Doing improv?

• 8:32Speaker 03

  That would kill them.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  Improving them to death.

• 8:34Conan O'Brien?

  Good improv is a powerful weapon.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 8:37Conan O'Brien?

  You, you've, you've, don't-

• 8:41Conan O'Brien?

  You have done many podcasts.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:45Conan O'Brien?

  And they're very creative. They involve character work. I mean, let's face it, we sit here, we babble like chimps. And somehow we get away with it, but these are very creative podcasts. Can you tell us a little bit about some of those?

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, sure. Okay, so when I met Matt, this is a long time ago, like, he was already podcasting because like he was one of the first, as we know. But I also was kind of podcasting from my little apartment in Tite Town. I had my original podcast was called Trading Movies with Craig Kukowski and my friend Maria Blasucci. And so they would each give each other a movie to watch the other one had never seen. And I was just the host.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  They were of different generations, too.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  They were of different generations. So that was my very original podcast, and I didn't even know what was happening. I just knew like I was talking. And I didn't know anyone was listening or anything. And then, um, yes, and since then, I have my kind of my life's work. It's called The Complete Woman, and that's a character piece based on my muse, who's um, a love and marriage expert from the 1970s. Her name's Maribel Morgan.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  It's a real woman.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yes, and she's a real woman. And I found this little book in a used bookshop. One afternoon, it had just arose on the cover called The Total Woman. And I cracked that thing open and I was like, oh, this is amazing. It's like the most insane marital advice.

• 10:04Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Um, and so I do a play on that in this podcast.

• 10:07Conan O'Brien?

  Right, you inhabited, you, this inspired you to become this woman.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  This, I am her now.

• 10:11Conan O'Brien?

  That's a great idea.

• 10:12Speaker 03

  But it's as if these albums were found. So it sounds like a record from the 60s. It's kind of vintage and it's all produced. It's so good.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really fun and I love doing it. And it takes a lot of work because I edit it and do all the sound design. So it's been a while since I've done a season.

• 10:27Conan O'Brien?

  Amanda is a more legitimate, I will say, Matt's a super legitimate podcaster. I'm a total fraud and you're a total fraud, Sona.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 10:35Conan O'Brien?

  You guys are the real deal. That's very cool.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Well, I can get on the little computer and do a little sound design, so.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  I guess she's done it for my job.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  Is this woman still alive?

• 10:47Speaker 01

  You know what? Last I checked, she was, and she's now an artist and you can, she does like paintings of horses.

• 10:53Conan O'Brien?

  Give me an example of some of the advice this woman was giving women in the 70s or the 60s.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  So, okay, yeah, so this is, okay, so this woman was a direct response to second wave feminism. She was like, no, it's ruining marriages. Like, we have to get away from this. And it was all, it was based in evangelicalism. Is that the word?

• 11:12Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Okay, and so she was basically like, we can't be feminists, it's ruining our lives. We have to empower ourselves to make our husbands happy.

• 11:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yes!

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Okay? No, you're gonna like some of this stuff.

• 11:24Conan O'Brien?

  I feel heard and seen.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Conan's legit gonna like some of this stuff. And so, okay, one of her, okay, how about this?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  The only way to stop a man from cheating is to let him cheat with you. Okay, okay, and like she means like, okay, she means get a wig.

• 11:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, get a wig.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, get a wig.

• 11:47Conan O'Brien?

  I was telling you, I said, get a wig. Get a wig!

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Wasn't she dressing up like a Native American or something?

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but she called it an Indian princess, and guess what? Her kids love it, too.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Oh, my God! Who is this lady?

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Okay, and then another one of her ideas, and this, she was on the cover of Time Magazine. Okay, this woman was a sensation.

• 12:05Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, wow, okay.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yes, she, like, people know her if you ask a woman of a certain generation. So she suggests if you don't have the money for a full-on costume, um, just wrap yourself in cellophane and go-go boots with nothing underneath and answer the door when he gets home from work with a crisp martini. And this was actually referenced in um, Fried Green Tomatoes, I believe.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  What?

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:27Conan O'Brien?

  In the movie Fried Green Tomatoes, one of the characters does that to spice up the marriage?

• 12:30Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it in a long time, but that's what the internet says.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  She's a hoe.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, she is.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  I love her just being naked.

• 12:37Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, also, if you want to stop your husband from cheating, which is any moral thing to do, it's your job to let him cheat with you, which means it would be so confusing because then you'd play a character, the guy would spend most of the time bitching about his wife to you.

• 12:53Conan O'Brien?

  The sex is terrible. Well, well, that's too bad. It's so, it's so strange. So she's dropped all that now.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  I don't know what the lady's up to, but I just love her and I hope she's still with us. I'm gonna Google it after I leave here today. I'll send you guys an email with an update. If you could put it in the show notes, can somebody?

• 13:15Conan O'Brien?

  Now, um, I'm gonna ask you some personal questions. Does Matt ever come home just steaming mad about Conan and his, that prick? I can't believe I had to put up with him today, and then you have to give him a martini and wrap him in cellophane? Does that ever happen?

• 13:31Speaker 03

  To shut him up.

• 13:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  It's only happened like once.

• 13:36Conan O'Brien?

  Well, let's talk about that! Okay, we'll leave it alone.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Not often.

• 13:40Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, not often.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Not often.

• 13:43Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, man, there's something here. Do I probe more or do I leave it alone?

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Go for it.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  Oh, go for it. Okay, Matt's saying, go for it.

• 13:51Conan O'Brien?

  Listen, I, look, I think I'm a fun guy to work with, but I'm sure there've been moments. We all have moments.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  No, he loves this job. We're so happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

• 14:04Conan O'Brien?

  Can I just say something?

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Thank you for having us.

• 14:06Conan O'Brien?

  You're becoming the woman again.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  This is verbal cellophane.

• 14:11Conan O'Brien?

  She's like, I just have to keep this red-haired man happy.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  No, but one more tip real quick. Okay, so like if you want your husband to take out the trash, but you don't want to nag, obviously, so you go, ooh, honey, your arms look so strong when you take out the trash.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  This is just manipulation.

• 14:29Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, my Lord!

• 14:30Speaker 04

  Or love it. I do love her.

• 14:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I thought she was gonna say, there's a hot chick out by the trash can.

• 14:37Conan O'Brien?

  You should walk over that way with the trash and then she has to put a wig on and run over there and go, hi, you big boy!

• 14:44Speaker 01

  What's great about this woman, though, is she ended up being the breadwinner because she was such a sensation. And she would go like head to head with the actual feminists of the time, like on talk shows and stuff.

• 14:53Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, and she would debate them?

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was a complete, um, like spectacle. She's like the OG trad wife. She, yes, she was, yeah. It's, and exactly making all the money, too.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  So I, that's why I love her, because she's just crazy.

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• 15:25Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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• 15:56Speaker 04

  I fell for a scam?

• 15:57Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:59Speaker 04

  I did lose, and it was very inconvenient, and now they put protections on my account like I'm, uh, dumb.

• 16:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I don't know where they got that impression.

• 16:09Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:26Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:26Speaker 04

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• 17:13Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I want to try something different.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  What?

• 17:15Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things, so I'm gonna try and make apple cider.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  Ooh!

• 17:19Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 17:20Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:23Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:27Speaker 04

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• 17:28Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:29Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:33Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:42Speaker 04

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• 17:42Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:51Speaker 04

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• 17:52Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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• 18:04Speaker 04

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• 18:05Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 18:07Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:12Speaker 04

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• 18:13Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:16Speaker 04

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• 18:41Speaker 04

  Oh.

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• 19:28Conan O'Brien?

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• 20:04Conan O'Brien?

  How do you like to unwind? How do you like to relax?

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 20:08Conan O'Brien?

  What's a good day for you when this one's out of the house? You get to just chill?

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Off with my Indian princess.

• 20:16Conan O'Brien?

  Who looks suspiciously like Amanda.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I love, I love to kick my feet up. I love to unwind with a little bit of reality television.

• 20:25Conan O'Brien?

  You know, I love when people cup their hands into a microphone.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  No, you just made it louder.

• 20:28Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  I know.

• 20:29Conan O'Brien?

  But there's no, listen, you will not be shamed here about reality television.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  I know.

• 20:34Conan O'Brien?

  Cause Liza's been getting into the Real Housewives lately of, I think Beverly Hills.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I watched it.

• 20:42Conan O'Brien?

  It's particularly nutty right now and.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, you know, I, I don't publicly speak about reality television, not for any reason. Just no one's ever asked me, but I, I will say like.

• 20:53Conan O'Brien?

  But it's a policy of yours.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:55Conan O'Brien?

  Until someone asks you. I will not murder unless given the opportunity or asked to murder.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  I have morals.

• 21:02Conan O'Brien?

  I have morals.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  I just don't have a friend to talk to about it and I don't wanna talk to anyone out loud about it. So, but, but a lot of really dignified women watch these shows. Like Michelle Obama watches some reality television, Liza.

• 21:15Conan O'Brien?

  Yep, yep. Liza is.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Are you looking at me? I like. I abandoned a lot of my reality shows.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:23Conan O'Brien?

  Why?

• 21:23Speaker 04

  I think now, I, cause my time in front of the TV is so finite that I like, uh, you know, I like my sexy shows. I like shows where people are banging.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 21:33Conan O'Brien?

  Can I just say, you talked about how a lot of classy people, the amazing legendary director Werner Herzog was here when he did the podcast. And I said, what do you, how you like to, uh, and he said, I, you know, he said, I, sometimes I like to watch these reality shows. To, you know, to observe Honey Boo Boo.

• 21:52Conan O'Brien?

  And I thought, okay, if Werner Herzog is watching Honey Boo Boo.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's true.

• 21:56Conan O'Brien?

  We're all okay.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. No, it's fine. I like it. I mean, I, I get too into it though. Like, I really wanna watch Love Island, but it's like a huge commitment.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't, I've not gotten into that or like The Bachelor.

• 22:09Conan O'Brien?

  I'll say this again, they, each one of those people burns about two calories an episode. They sit, they talk, and then one of them might stand up and lead them to a slightly different area that's three feet away to have a separate talk.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Matt told me you said that.

• 22:24Conan O'Brien?

  It's true.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Or it's a bad take.

• 22:26Conan O'Brien?

  Does Matt ever come home and go, Conan said the funniest thing today?

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Well, he does say, like, he told me that and he said, you might be interested in this, that Conan said.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Oh, that's nice.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  Does he have, I have a question.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  Does he have too many projects?

• 22:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Is he always tinkering and doing things and is it annoying?

• 22:43Speaker 03

  I, yes, I can answer for him, definitely.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  He does love a project.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:48Conan O'Brien?

  And in your defense, I've been over to your house, uh, and he's very talented. He'll say, oh, I built this, I built that. And clearly you are quite handy, but yeah, it, he does seem like someone who is always tinkering in the corner.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Yes, like the latest project is, okay, so he's got the back house, right? Which is like our little, his podcast studio, number two, second to this one. And, okay, so in, in the, on the wall.

• 23:15Conan O'Brien?

  He's doing these other podcasts? I won't have it.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  On the wall, there's, okay, a guitar case with a guitar in it, but it's not just a guitar case. You open it up and a bar comes down and inside, it's a hidden closet. And inside the closet are like booze shelves that are lit from below.

• 23:35Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 23:36Conan O'Brien?

  He is a crafty alcoholic.

• 23:43Conan O'Brien?

  And then he made a bassinet, but it's really a beer dispenser.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  Giant flask.

• 23:48Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. It's, I'm, I'm noticing a theme here.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  I know.

• 23:53Conan O'Brien?

  No, that, but you are, you're very good at it, but I just think there must be times where you think, you put down that screwdriver right now. Let's tango.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, there, listen, there's, I support the projects, but in, there's certain projects, I'm like a hundred percent behind and some that I'm just, like, just turned a blind eye to. And I go, let him have his fun. You know what I mean?

• 24:15Conan O'Brien?

  Let him have his fun.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  As long as he's, he's in the door by 6:00 PM, what do I care what he's doing with the first, you know, 10 hours of the day?

• 24:23Conan O'Brien?

  Wow.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  I start podcasting promptly at 5:30 AM every morning.

• 24:30Conan O'Brien?

  You can do anything you want as long as you're home by six. That's an incredibly way that you're getting. Uh, yeah, Liza's having me to do anything as long as I don't come home.

• 24:44Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, this is a fair question, I think, but is there anything that Matt does routinely that sort of rankles you a little bit? That, it doesn't have to be anything terrible, but just, it's like, oh my, you know, um, cause my wife has plenty of those.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Oh, like a pet peeve?

• 24:57Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Oh, this is like a question. Okay, this is a real question. Okay, well, okay, this, he doesn't do it as much anymore, but he used to, um, wear noise canceling headphones, like around the house, listening to podcasts. Um, so I would talk and then there'd be no answer.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  And that, I didn't like that. And so I, we talked about it.

• 25:18Conan O'Brien?

  Except I. That's why you got a podcast. Just, just so you could talk to your husband. Welcome back to Hello, Matt.

• 25:28Conan O'Brien?

  Can you please put the tuna salad back in the refrigerator?

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Your arms look great when you take out the trash.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  We talked about it.

• 25:37Conan O'Brien?

  Your legs look great when you get the fuck out of here.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  We had a serious discussion about it, but I was wearing noise canceling headphones at the time.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  But now what he does is he just plays them out loud on the phone.

• 25:50Speaker 03

  Wait, not that often though, do I? Do I need to, do I need to scale this back?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Listen, I'm cool, I'm easy peasy. I'm like.

• 25:57Conan O'Brien?

  No.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  I don't, I'm just, I'm being put on the spot to say a pet peeve.

• 26:02Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Uh, you know, I think we.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  This rap sign just came up here.

• 26:07Conan O'Brien?

  No, we found, this is an area where maybe there could be some improvement and I think of this, these, this series as a little bit of marriage counseling.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:15Conan O'Brien?

  You know, it's a chance and the, the healthiest marriages can use with a little discussion.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:21Conan O'Brien?

  Except for mine. Where maybe I can talk, but I don't want anyone else typing up.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Oh, you, you guys will like this. Okay, so this is, um, like my talk show story that I wanted to bring on.

• 26:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Okay, so this is something about you that surprised me.

• 26:35Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  So Matt and I had been, and it kinda goes back to like the question of like your, your hobbies and like his, is he, how you perceive him or how you display him on the podcast. Okay, so I, Matt and I have been dating for like a couple of years at this point. It was in our old apartment and in our bedroom, there was like this old vintage trunk that we were using just as a bench. Like, I just thought it was a decorative trunk. I never thought.

• 26:58Conan O'Brien?

  You sit on it, you put your, your work boots on, you head out the door.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Yes, and I never thought to open it. And so one day I was just like, oh, I wonder if this could be storage for something. And I opened it and inside there are hundreds of T-shirts, novelty Shakespeare T-shirts. And for years, he had been selling these T-shirts, um, hand drawn Shakespeare art in these T-shirts on a website. He had a whole website domain and he never disclosed this to me.

• 27:28Conan O'Brien?

  You had a secret website?

• 27:29Speaker 03

  I was not hiding it. The, the business had like, had like withered to a, a near death and it wasn't even, I wasn't.

• 27:37Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, really? There's not big money in bespoke, cool Shakespeare T-shirts? Explain to me what these even are.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  What do they look like?

• 27:47Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, I had this.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  He still sells them and he's.

• 27:51Conan O'Brien?

  You still sell them? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

• 27:57Conan O'Brien?

  Can you describe, I'm not gonna go to him, you can't speak for a second. Amanda, describe just what one of these mighty.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Sign up.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  I just had to say this, it was, um, like a white T-shirt with like a hand drawn ink portrait of like, I don't know, like Hamlet.

• 28:12Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Um, what happened to Hamlet again?

• 28:14Conan O'Brien?

  Nothing good.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  His dad died and then. Married his mom? Am I thinking about Oedipus?

• 28:19Speaker 03

  That's Oedipus.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Okay, and there'd be like a quote underneath it that was like a joke, like what?

• 28:23Speaker 03

  They were humorous, so it was just Hamlet lying dead on the ground and the quote was not to be. And so I would sell these to Shakespeare festivals.

• 28:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  And as like merchandise for their plays and stuff like that. Look, I'm not proud.

• 28:34Speaker 04

  You went to Shakespeare festivals?

• 28:35Conan O'Brien?

  Fascinates me, it fascinates me a couple of things here. There's, I'm imagining it's not a huge bedroom because you're a young couple, you haven't got married yet, you know, he's not, he's, she's living off of T-shirt dough from Shakespeare festivals.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  We're living in the house that those Shakespeare T-shirts built.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  He told me he was a teacher. He did not mention that he was running this company.

• 28:56Conan O'Brien?

  Right, he tells a lot of people he's a teacher.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Why didn't you tell her?

• 28:58Speaker 03

  Were you embarrassed? Generous, no, it had just died. It was, I wasn't doing any, that's why they're sitting in the trunk.

• 29:04Conan O'Brien?

  You know what I love here? Your, your, your wife fiance catches you, your, that's my, your secret, your secret activity on the internet late at night. And, uh, it's not robot porn, it's watching. It's, it's T-shirt, a T-shirt company with puns about Hamlet.

• 29:24Speaker 03

  In many ways, it's, it would have been better if I had a mistress.

• 29:27Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, yeah, it would have been so much better. You'd have been so much happier if it was just.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  It would have been so much better.

• 29:33Conan O'Brien?

  You opened it up and it's just hundreds of thousands of VHS cassettes.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, or dildos, if it was just dildos.

• 29:39Conan O'Brien?

  Dildos.

• 29:40Speaker 04

  Dildos, I would have been like, okay.

• 29:41Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, we can resell these. Hose them down and resell them.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  I think I just sat there quietly and just waited for him to get home and was like, how do I, what do I say?

• 29:52Conan O'Brien?

  His secret life, and so what did you, you just said, explain this? And you held up a T-shirt.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  I did, and, and then, um.

• 30:00Conan O'Brien?

  You're bringing in one of these T-shirts.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to.

• 30:02Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, you are, yeah, you are.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  I gave him all of it.

• 30:04Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, here we go, yeah.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  I, I've known, I've known Matt for maybe 14 years at this point, and I've never heard of this before. I've never heard the story and it must've been happening while we've known each other. And the fact that you had an entire business is just, it's, it shouldn't be shocking because of what it is, but it's just shocking that it exists and it's been quiet this whole time.

• 30:22Conan O'Brien?

  I mean, it really is like if I was just, if I make landmines in my spare time. And bury them around, you know, it's just, it's shocking.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Well, honey, do you wanna plug your website? Cause it's still live.

• 30:32Speaker 03

  I don't know, the website is, the website was.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  But it's on Redbubble, it's on Redbubble and every time he makes a sale now, he forwards me the email and people are buying like the sticker version of it. So it'll be like 88 cents for like this, like.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  I forward it to like.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Ophelia sticker.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  See, it's paying off.

• 30:47Conan O'Brien?

  Can we plug it on?

• 30:48Speaker 01

  What is it, how do people find it? We need the money.

• 30:53Conan O'Brien?

  Oh my god, things are tough at the Gourley House.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  No. Go listen to The Complete Woman, that's the pod, that's where you should go.

• 30:59Speaker 05

  This is.

• 31:00Conan O'Brien?

  All right, well, your podcast, The Complete Woman, sounds hilarious.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 31:05Conan O'Brien?

  I'm going to investigate this business of yours, Matt, and there's nothing you can do about it.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:11Conan O'Brien?

  I am curious, I know I've been given the rap like 15 times, but you're extremely entertaining. How did you guys meet? Like, what was that, the cute meet? How did it go?

• 31:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, the cute meet. It was, um.

• 31:22Conan O'Brien?

  A trash can was following you home.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Well, we actually. Me cute. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's me cute.

• 31:27Conan O'Brien?

  Me cute.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. We did not meet at Disney, although we worked there together for years. Never crossed paths that we remember, but we met at Universal Studios Hollywood, the entertainment capital of LA. And in an orientation, anyone who's been to Universal probably has seen on the New York street, they have like these New York people who hang out of a window are like, hey, like pepperoni or whatever.

• 31:56Conan O'Brien?

  Pepperoni. I love that.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. So for one summer, they were trying, they had a little like, um, in British street. And they were like, well, let's put some British people hanging out of the window. And Matt and I were hired to do this job and we met at orientation and it was.

• 32:12Conan O'Brien?

  Your line was English pepperoni.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  But we met at orientation and it was like love at first speak.

• 32:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:21Conan O'Brien?

  So right away?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Right away. And then by the end of the orientation day, we were going up, you know, like those big escalators? They have through the parking structures? He and I were on the escalator together and there was a couple in front of us and they were both wearing, um, Benicio del Toro werewolf, what's it called?

• 32:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Wolfman movie bowling shirts.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  That had big wrapper and graphics of Benicio del Toro as the Wolfman.

• 32:44Conan O'Brien?

  Right. You thought I could make a T-shirt better than that?

• 32:46Speaker 05

  And I did. And I did.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  And I turned to Matt and I said, that's going to be us in 20 years.

• 32:50Conan O'Brien?

  Oh.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  And then it is.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  In five years, that's what we'll be doing.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  That's what we'll be doing.

• 32:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:56Conan O'Brien?

  That's really sweet.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:58Conan O'Brien?

  Also, you brought your, your little kids in today, which was really sweet.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:03Conan O'Brien?

  That's lovely.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, a new little baby.

• 33:05Conan O'Brien?

  That is the smilingest baby I've ever seen.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:08Conan O'Brien?

  Just amazing. And then, until I showed up. I started smiling at everybody and then I was like, hiya, kid.

• 33:16Conan O'Brien?

  Amanda, thank you so much for coming in. Really cool. And, um, this is fascinating. We're gonna, and then there's going to be an episode where just you guys talk.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Wow. Are you guys scared?

• 33:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think we might lose the podcast.

• 33:29Conan O'Brien?

  We're thinking, yeah, I think this could be a problem, but you know what? I'm, I'm happy. We ran our course.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did it. We did it. Okay. We had a good run.

• 33:37Speaker 05

  Put us down. Put us down.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  We had a good run.

• 33:39Conan O'Brien?

  All right. Thank you very much, Amanda.

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