Michael Douglas

Actor and producer Michael Douglas feels excited to be Conan O’Brien’s new friend. Michael sits down with Conan to discuss his new memoir One Helluva Ride, breaking out from underneath his father’s legacy, lessons on life, love, and divorce, and much, much more. Later, Dr. Arroyo stops by to discuss his new YouTube segment I’ll See You In Health. For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com. Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: (323) 362-2295.

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• 0:03Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:10Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:38Speaker 01

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• 0:51Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:54Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 0:57Conan O'Brien?

  I'm a very important person to you. What would you get me from Macy's for the holidays?

• 1:02Speaker 01

  A vase.

• 1:04Conan O'Brien?

  No, I don't want a vase. I want something better.

• 1:06Speaker 01

  A jacket.

• 1:08Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, nice jacket. I love a nice jacket.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that jacket. Nice jacket.

• 1:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, so now you have to do it, because you said you would.

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Aw, man, I didn't know you were doing that.

• 1:14Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I know the holidays are months away, but it's never too early, Sona, to find gifts that I will love, gifts I will wear, and surprises that make the season unforgettable for me.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:51Speaker 02

  Hi, my name is Michael Douglas, and I'm excited

• 1:57Speaker 02

  to be Conan O'Brien's new friend.

• 2:00Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna hold you to that, because you're Michael Douglas. I would pay you to hang with me. I will pay you $500.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  I was waiting for what the price would be. I ain't cheap, but I

• 2:11Speaker 02

  but I can be had.

• 2:35Conan O'Brien?

  Hey there, and welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. Things are a little different on this episode, because I am in New York at the Sirius XM headquarters. And I'm joined today by my friend, David Hopping.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Hello.

• 2:50Conan O'Brien?

  You're my assistant. You traveled with me yesterday.

• 2:52Speaker 03

  I did.

• 2:53Conan O'Brien?

  On American Airlines.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 2:55Conan O'Brien?

  We came here, we landed in New York, and we're doing a very fun, cool episode today.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  We are.

• 3:01Conan O'Brien?

  But let's talk about our time in New York.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 3:04Conan O'Brien?

  Because when we're together here in the city, we each become slightly different people.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 3:10Conan O'Brien?

  You are obsessed with seeing every Broadway show.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  I am.

• 3:13Conan O'Brien?

  Imaginable.

• 3:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:15Conan O'Brien?

  What have you seen lately?

• 3:16Speaker 03

  I haven't seen any on this trip yet, but we have a few more days. You're always very nice, whenever we come here, and our deal is that you buy me a ticket to a show.

• 3:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yes. I always say you can go see one show on me. You always pick the most expensive show.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 3:30Conan O'Brien?

  And get like a really good seat.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, basically on the stage.

• 3:33Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, you've been sitting on the stage for many of the shows you've seen, which has really hurt the shows, I think.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  It's not good.

• 3:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. When you were sitting on stage during Death of a Salesman, it took me out of the play.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  You were there?

• 3:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I was there.

• 3:46Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 3:46Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I stood in the back, because I couldn't get a seat. Anyway, you have such a good time.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  I do.

• 3:52Conan O'Brien?

  You're always such a, sort of an Illinois farm boy when you come here. No, you do. You walk around, and I can see you. That was true. Will you admit, you're a bit of a hick?

• 4:03Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 4:04Conan O'Brien?

  No, you look up, you look up at the buildings, and you say garish a lot.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  I mean, how do they make them that tall?

• 4:10Conan O'Brien?

  Incredible. You said, "Well, that's bigger than the silo back home." And I'm always like, "David, just get over it. You've been here 70 times."

• 4:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:17Conan O'Brien?

  And I get into conversations with 30 people on street corners.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  We were almost late today, because you were on a corner with just surrounded by people.

• 4:26Conan O'Brien?

  Well, all these people stopped me, and I'm like, and they're all from Ireland.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:29Conan O'Brien?

  All these kids from Ireland. And so the next thing you know, I was having like a symposium.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 4:34Conan O'Brien?

  And apologizing for how I've represented the Irish here in America. But it was a lot of fun.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:40Conan O'Brien?

  Anyway, we have a good time. Here's the stunning thing. You'd think that Sona would be here with us, especially because she's in New York right now.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  She's just, I think, right down the street.

• 4:49Conan O'Brien?

  She is down the street, Sona's here in New York. And I said, "Oh, well, that's great. Sona's here for the podcast." No, I find out, she's not here for the podcast. What's she here for, David?

• 5:00Speaker 03

  She's promoting her own book on Tamarind Hall. I think they're recording right now as we're speaking.

• 5:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, this is what happened. She was my assistant. And now, she's here, and I'm like, "Great, get Sona in for the podcast." For what? She's very well compensated. And she's like, "No, can't make it. I'm on a book tour, and I'm appearing on Tamarind Hall." Describe Tamarind Hall to me. I'm not, I don't

• 5:24Speaker 03

  It's a daytime talk show.

• 5:26Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  So she's out, they probably

• 5:27Conan O'Brien?

  Tamarind Hall to me sounded like a building, like she's speaking at Tamarind Hall.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  I think it tapes at ABC, so she's in the ABC building right now.

• 5:33Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  They probably, you know, they probably dance when she comes out.

• 5:36Conan O'Brien?

  Is that a show where they make you dance?

• 5:38Speaker 03

  I don't think they make you dance. It's not like where you walk down the hallway.

• 5:40Conan O'Brien?

  Where's that, what's that show where the whole staff lines up on either side of the hallway?

• 5:44Speaker 03

  Jennifer Hudson.

• 5:45Conan O'Brien?

  Jennifer Hudson.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:46Conan O'Brien?

  And is that something that you're made to do?

• 5:49Speaker 03

  I don't, surely you have an option.

• 5:51Conan O'Brien?

  I don't think you do.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Can someone call Jennifer and ask?

• 5:53Conan O'Brien?

  I mean, they make everyone do it.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Should we start doing that?

• 5:56Conan O'Brien?

  They'll have like, you know, a great dame of the theater, like Helen Mirren, and they make her boogie down a hallway while people are clapping along in rhythm.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  And they

• 6:06Conan O'Brien?

  "Go Helen, go Helen, go, go, go, Dame Mirren." And you can tell she's in pain. And they make them do it.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:15Conan O'Brien?

  And they have little cattle prods. If you start to slow down, like

• 6:18Speaker 03

  They keep going?

• 6:19Conan O'Brien?

  Go, come on.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  I hope Sona had to do that.

• 6:23Conan O'Brien?

  So, Sona.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Do you find that you are more proud that Sona's like out promoting her own book?

• 6:28Conan O'Brien?

  And what's my other, what's my other option?

• 6:30Speaker 03

  Resentful that she's not

• 6:31Conan O'Brien?

  Resentful, that's the second one. I'm so glad there were two. Um, yeah, resentful.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  You did this.

• 6:36Conan O'Brien?

  I didn't mean to do this, but she is now a force in her own right.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. I was saying earlier, my new goal in life is to get Sona on The Traitors.

• 6:46Conan O'Brien?

  My new goal is to get Sona on the podcast.

• 6:51Conan O'Brien?

  That would be, the idea that that would be a get for us now? Hey, we got Sona. Can you believe it?

• 6:57Speaker 03

  She has her own empire?

• 6:58Conan O'Brien?

  We stole her after Tamarind Hall.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  She had a book, a book event last night in New Jersey.

• 7:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  She's, she's killing it.

• 7:07Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, well, and her book, let's give her a plug while we're at it. It's called World's Worst Mom, after her bestseller, World's Worst Assistant.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:15Conan O'Brien?

  I didn't get a piece of any of this, by the way. I've had my people look into it.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  You wrote the foreword for the first one. That was nice of you.

• 7:20Conan O'Brien?

  I didn't get anything, no.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Well, she's on the podcast, so isn't like any success that Sona has a success for you?

• 7:26Conan O'Brien?

  I looked into this. It doesn't translate.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  No?

• 7:28Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, these are all people who loathe the podcast, who will buy her stuff.

• 7:35Conan O'Brien?

  Anyway, no, I wish her all the best of luck. I hope she's having a good time grooving down the hallway over at Jennifer Hudson.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Tamarind, she's at Tamarind Hall?

• 7:44Conan O'Brien?

  I know, but she's gonna stop by. She's not even doing, she's not even a guest on Jennifer Hudson. She's just gonna groove down the hallway while they zap her with electrical charges. Anyway, thrilled about our show today in New York. My guest today is an Academy Award-winning actor whose fantastic new memoir, One Hell of a Ride, is out now. I read this book cover to cover. It didn't take me long, because it is absolutely fascinating. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled that he's on the show. This guy's an icon, and to get to sit down and talk to him about this book is a big treat for me.

• 8:26Conan O'Brien?

  Michael Douglas, welcome.

• 8:31Conan O'Brien?

  I read your book, cover to cover.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  I'm so impressed already. Almost 500 pages.

• 8:37Conan O'Brien?

  You didn't think I could read, but I can.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Oh, I did.

• 8:40Conan O'Brien?

  It's called One Hell of a Ride, and I have to say, I read the book, and there are times where I'm talking to someone, and they send me the book, and I have to read it as my job. This one, I really want to read. This is an amazing story, and I want to really start at the beginning, which is undeniable, and it's a big theme in your book, is father-son. Huge theme in this book, the relationship between a father and son. And your father, of course, Kirk Douglas, one of the most iconic screen stars of all time, massive star. And he said to you that you had it harder than he did, because he came from nothing. He came from Russian Jewish immigrants and absolute poverty.

• 9:25Conan O'Brien?

  All he could do was go up. You're his son, and many people would think you've got a leg up, but in a lot of ways, you had a trickier path, which is really what this book is about.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. I would go in for my interviews as a young actor and do an audition. It's just like your dad. That's amazing, the way you act. Oh, look at that, look at that.

• 9:48Conan O'Brien?

  And you've got the dimple on the chin.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  The dimple, he said, "Well, thank you very much, but my name's Michael, and I'm trying to make a career." And on the other side of that, just growing up, he was dynamic. I mean, he was just, you know, Spartacus and all the action things. He was the fastest gun drawer of all the actors there were and put in the back in the holster.

• 10:12Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  He developed a little springboard for jumping out of the horses without any effort at all. Vikings.

• 10:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  Walking across the horse. So it was really, really a question of how could I ever be the man that my father is? My God. And so it was intimidating. It tended to make me pretty withdrawal as a young kid. Probably a little hostile against him for the time that he couldn't spend.

• 10:38Conan O'Brien?

  Well, also, your dad was of that generation that kept a lot of things in. And he had an explosive temper. And a lot of it's generational, but he wasn't afraid to hit, you know, if you needed to be or thought you needed to be punished. So you grew up, not just in this guy's shadow, but he could be a scary guy to be around. I think your parents divorced when you're five, so you're getting some time with him.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, divorce when you're five. And my mother and my younger brother Joel and I live back east. My mother in New York City would go out to see dad on our holidays and he was usually always working. And the one thing he had was he was, he was one of seven children. He was the only boy. He had six sisters and his, his father never gave him the pat in the back, never even acknowledged him. So I thought that was sort of part of what his rage was.

• 11:32Conan O'Brien?

  That was his understanding of what the relationship was.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Right. And so the one thing that he knew he was gonna be was a good father.

• 11:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  And all of a sudden, he's divorced, the kid's five and three years old. So the problem is when we go out to see him, he's overwhelmed by the amount of pictures he's doing. He wants to be a good father. So he was pretty intense, man.

• 11:53Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  He was pretty intense, trying to be a good father, trying to discipline the period we had. So it was with reluctance that we used to go out for those holidays. And yes, capital punishment was, was part of the deal.

• 12:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, you felt more comfortable around your mom and then it would be time to go spend time with your dad. And that could be tricky. You never knew what's gonna piss him off, when's he gonna blow?

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 12:17Conan O'Brien?

  Um, one of the things that, uh, the great pleasure of my career is that your father came on my late night show two times. And, uh, this is a big deal for me.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:30Conan O'Brien?

  He came on after his stroke. He had a very debilitating stroke, as you know, and he had a hard time communicating. I don't know that he had done a show yet. And it was debated on our staff, what should we do? We're so, it's live to tape in front of an audience. We had him on and he was incredible.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  I know.

• 12:49Conan O'Brien?

  And I just looked at the interview and this is what he said. He said, this is about you on my show to me. Um, he said, I think Michael's a much better actor than I am, and I was a good actor. He was very complimentary of you, uh, on the show. He came on twice and it was quite a journey because you couldn't imagine him saying that to you when you were 10, 11, 12. And your dad lived to see you become this iconic actor producer in your own right. He wouldn't have been able to say that if you're earlier on, could he?

• 13:22Speaker 02

  No, his best rock after Cuckoo's Nest, I remember was, if I knew you were gonna be so successful, I would have nicer to you.

• 13:30Conan O'Brien?

  Which is a funny line, but also had some truth to it, too.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  It had some truth. It had some truth to it. But he, um, he mellowed, he married my stepmother, Anne.

• 13:44Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  Who was my stepmother for 65 years. They had two kids, Peter and Eric. And that, you know, eased him out a little bit.

• 13:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Uh, at the same time, my mother remarried when I was 12 to a wonderful man named Bill Darrid.

• 13:58Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Who was a Broadway producer, director. And we lived a very middle-class life. He then lived in Westport, Connecticut. We'd go out and see my father, um, in his, by that time, star, star lifetime. Um, but having these, these stepparents really helped tremendously. And I thought, I realize now that a fortunate part of my life was these four people got along so well together, actually enjoyed each other's company. It's very rare. So I find myself on the ban stand a lot of time for stepparents who get a, a bad rap a lot of the time. But in my case, I had two, a stepmother and a stepfather and out of the, their love for

• 14:42Speaker 02

  their spouses, uh, accepted the, these kids, uh, accepted us and, and, and made a big difference.

• 14:50Conan O'Brien?

  A big theme in the book I also wanted to bring up is your father had anger. You probably had some anger clearly, uh, growing up. And there's this trick some people can do, like Michael Jordan famously could find a way to be pissed off at someone else and use that to his advantage. Sometimes he would invent it. He would invent a reason why he hated the other team. It probably wasn't even true, but it helped him. There was a lot of, in this book, you feeling that you had been slighted and getting revenge. It was a fuel for you in a lot of ways. Oh, they think I'm a TV actor. I'll show them. Uh, they think I can't be a producer. I'll show them. They don't think I'm a leading man. I'll show them.

• 15:34Conan O'Brien?

  And it's a theme throughout the book. And I don't know if that's something you picked up from your dad or just?

• 15:39Speaker 02

  It's very insightful of you, Conan. I'm never, it's, it's absolutely true. Something I probably had in my genes, but came from my father.

• 15:47Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Uh, which anger is a false sense of energy. And, um, you can pump yourself up with anger and it can go a long way in keeping your energy going.

• 15:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Um, but somewhere along the line, um, I felt dismissed in a career, career-wise.

• 16:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Uh, and used that, uh, and I mentioned earlier a little bit of San Francisco.

• 16:13Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Um, as a false sense of energy, which ultimately I found exhausting.

• 16:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  And one of the, and parts of our maturation, as you frame, I know there are other ways to do it.

• 16:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  Besides just being angry.

• 16:26Conan O'Brien?

  Well, what happens is I've had times in my career, in my life, where I've felt wronged in some way and I was angry. And initially I could use that as a fuel. I'll show them. What happens later in life is you realize this is robbing me of something.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:41Conan O'Brien?

  I gotta let this go. I've, I've lucked out. Um, this isn't leading me anywhere. But it can sure feel good sometimes in the moment. And I was looking at your, you know, your career, you produced One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Your dad really wanted that. He had the producing rights. He said, you do what you can with this and then I can play the main character that Jack Nicholson got to play. He was expecting you to get that for him, but he was too old at that point to play the part. And you realized as a good producer, it's not gonna work with my dad and we could make this work with Jack Nicholson. And you had to tell your dad, it's not gonna be you.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Except I tried harder than that.

• 17:21Conan O'Brien?

  You did try, yes.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  I tried, I tried really hard.

• 17:25Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Um, yeah. To, I mean, it was difficult enough to get the independent financing for the picture. We had our director, Milos Forman. And, uh, Milos was the one, and I think I knew it was coming. And they said, you know, your dad is, um, Kirk, I love Kirk. And they had met each other years before, when dad used to work for the USIA and go behind the iron curtain.

• 17:47Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, yeah.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  At a time when, uh, movie celebrities were the, were the only connection, uh, because people behind the iron curtain seen him. And he went to the, uh, the Czech Film School and met Milos, knew him years ago. And Milos said, Michael, it's, Michael, it's not, it's not gonna work.

• 18:05Conan O'Brien?

  It's not gonna work out. I didn't mean to misrepresent that. You did try really hard to get your dad this part. Milos Forman said, it can't be him. He's too old. And then you have to go to your father. And this was a role your father really wanted. And you had to say, dad, I'm a producer on this movie and it's not you.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Conan, I, I have to tell you, and I think it's true for most people, I can count the really good parts I've had in my career on one hand.

• 18:33Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  And this RP McMurphy was certainly one of them. Give you an idea, dad, the other part is when dad bought the book, he had it developed into a play.

• 18:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  And he went back to Broadway. This is right after Spartacus, so he's like the biggest star in the world. He went back to Broadway to do this play with the idea that it was gonna be a big critical success. And then they would develop the film and it wasn't. The play didn't, didn't, uh, work out. So to tell somebody, and it took me years later to really understand that, to tell somebody that this is one of the best parts you're ever gonna have in your life and you can't play it and you own it, was really, really hard. Hardest thing I ever did in my life up until then.

• 19:12Conan O'Brien?

  And you're not telling, that would be a hard meeting to have with anybody.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:17Conan O'Brien?

  But it's your dad. And he was the one that found this material, Cuckoo's Nest, nurtured it, had the vision, all because he wanted to play that part. And you have to tell him, which is, when you read it in the book, it's heartbreaking, but it was the right call. It had to be Nicholson.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  It, it, it had to be, and did dad's credit. When I took him up to Berkeley, California, where we were doing our post-production and showed him the cut of the film. And he came out of the theater and said, Michael, it's a great movie. It's a great movie, he said. And Jack is fantastic. And so he was very proud about it. And the only other great thing that came out about it is, um, because I gave him half of the production deal. And over the years, he always used to bring it up just to give me shit, you know? Yeah, your picture, you, you took that. I said, I, what happened to the director? The director makes the choices, dad. And he'd go, no, no, you, I went for you.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Hey, look, you made more money off that movie than any movie you ever made in your life. So he said, so I don't know.

• 20:23Conan O'Brien?

  You could always say that.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  I could always say that.

• 20:33Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I want to try something different.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  What?

• 20:35Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things. So I'm gonna try and make apple cider.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 20:39Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 20:40Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:42Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, fall's the perfect season to try something new, like joining T-Mobile.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Oh, that's good.

• 20:47Conan O'Brien?

  See what I did?

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:48Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, there are 250 reasons to join T-Mobile right now. You want to hear what they are?

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:52Conan O'Brien?

  They're America's best network.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 20:54Conan O'Brien?

  True story. Plus, T-Mobile has got off-grid satellite coverage. That comes in really handy. I like to just wander in the woods sometimes.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Oh, that's weird.

• 21:02Conan O'Brien?

  When I'm thinking about, like, making apple cider.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 21:04Conan O'Brien?

  And that's when it comes in handy. Here's another reason. High-speed data in over 215 countries and destinations. I travel a lot for the

• 21:11Speaker 01

  You travel a lot.

• 21:12Conan O'Brien?

  Travel show that I do.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:13Conan O'Brien?

  Stream this podcast while ignoring local landmarks. That's always fun to do. Like, oh, look, there's the Mona Lisa. Yeah, check it out. I'm in the Louvre. I should. But I'm listening to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  That doesn't seem like a good idea.

• 21:25Conan O'Brien?

  It's a great idea.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:27Conan O'Brien?

  You know, you can see art anytime. But how often can you listen to this podcast?

• 21:31Speaker 01

  My god.

• 21:32Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Now, all these reasons make T-Mobile a great choice.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 21:37Conan O'Brien?

  T-Mobile is stacking up reasons to join. Go to T-Mobile.com and find yours best, based on analysis by Ookla of speed test intelligence data, first half of 2026. Can't believe I read that. T-Satellite, with capable devices in most outdoor areas in the US, where you can see the sky. High-speed international data with qualifying plan. Visit T-Mobile.com. Consult a physician. I just threw that in there.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 22:04Conan O'Brien?

  So, what are some of the things in life that really get you down?

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Uh, driving?

• 22:08Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  That's the first thing that popped in my head.

• 22:10Conan O'Brien?

  No, but I've seen you drive, and it's true. I'm always picking mailboxes out of your grill.

• 22:16Conan O'Brien?

  You're a creative driver. Look, let's face it. Just living on Earth can be a lot, right?

• 22:21Speaker 01

  It can.

• 22:22Conan O'Brien?

  I mean, oy vey, it's a lot.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:24Conan O'Brien?

  There's gravity, there's mosquitoes. There's the, you know that they say the sun is going to, at some point, go supernova and incinerate the Earth, probably in 5 billion years?

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:33Conan O'Brien?

  But watch your diet. We might be sticking around for that.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 22:36Conan O'Brien?

  So, cosmically speaking, you've earned a break.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:38Conan O'Brien?

  And you know where this is going? I think you do.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 22:40Conan O'Brien?

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• 22:41Speaker 01

  Oh, right, of course.

• 22:42Conan O'Brien?

  To escape all of these hassles in life, you gotta get Pluto TV. Turn off all your earthly problems and turn on the movies and shows you already love. You've seen them, but you want to see them again. They're old friends.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:53Conan O'Brien?

  Anchorman, The Legend of Ron Burgundy, Dirty Dancing, Alias, X-Files. Pluto TV is completely free.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 23:00Conan O'Brien?

  These streamers, all these things cost so much money these days. And I won't mention that when I do an ad for them. But

• 23:07Conan O'Brien?

  no subscription, no fees, zero dollars. And as any mathematician will tell you, zero is one of the most profound numbers ever conceived. I was thinking about that this morning.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Wow, that's profound.

• 23:16Conan O'Brien?

  I really wasn't. The best thing on TV are free. Escape to Pluto TV. Stream now, pay never.

• 23:25Conan O'Brien?

  So, you have to admit, the holidays, it's really about hanging with the people you love.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:31Conan O'Brien?

  And getting to be yourself. Not going to some stuffy holiday party where you need to conform to what the man wants you to think about the holidays.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:41Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it's about being yourself. Turn your holiday time into Miller time by enjoying a Miller Lite in a place where you're free to enjoy yourself on a walk with a cousin. With a cousin? Why are they getting all specific about?

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Because it's family.

• 23:53Conan O'Brien?

  But what about a niece or a nephew?

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:57Conan O'Brien?

  Like a walk with an ex-wife. I don't know. I mean, they're just throwing, that's a weird, they just made a very specific choice.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:03Conan O'Brien?

  Now's the time for those unexpected holiday side guests and enjoy a great tasting light beer. 'Tis Miller time, as Dickens wrote. Miller Lite is brewed for taste, the taste you can depend on. The original light beer since 1975 and still iconic more than 50 years later. I like to be with my bros, my chums, my posse. Crack open a Miller Lite, take a swig, a sip, look around and see my friends. We've known each other forever, and we're just hanging out.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, you guys are just doing chest bumps and high-fiving.

• 24:33Conan O'Brien?

  Miller Lite is great taste done right. Go to MillerLite.com/Conan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. 'Tis Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

• 24:55Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna stick with this theme of revenge for a second because you have a hit TV show, but you feel like I'm not being taken seriously. You produce, uh, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. You win an Oscar for it. So many people won Oscars for that. It's a massive cultural touchdown, that movie. So, that would be a career right there. But you had this feeling that, no, no, I, I, I want to be on camera. I want to be seen as an actor. And again, you use it as a little bit of fuel. Like, I'm gonna, okay, China Syndrome. We're gonna make this film China Syndrome, and you're gonna be in China Syndrome.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Um, yes.

• 25:36Conan O'Brien?

  Again, at the time, you're still thinking, how do I service the movie as opposed to me as an actor? So it takes you a while to say, I need to prove to people that I'm a leading man. And that happens when you do Romancing the Stone. And that just sounds like a nightmare because you're producing the film and you're the leading man. And that sounds like one of the most difficult tasks anybody can have in the business.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Well, it is, and it was. But I had now, I had never anticipated being a producer, except for my passion for Cuckoo's Nest.

• 26:13Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Now, I've left television, and I'm in feature films. And we talked about how wide that gap was back then. And my first picture got the Oscars, and now I've got a studio deal as a producer.

• 26:27Conan O'Brien?

  As a producer, yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  As a producer. I still was not approved as an actor for many projects.

• 26:33Conan O'Brien?

  Right, right.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  For instance, one of the pictures that I produced was Starman.

• 26:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Uh, which had, uh, star Jeff Bridges.

• 26:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  I wanted to play that part. Studio would not accept me as the actor for it, so I

• 26:45Conan O'Brien?

  This is all stuff that's hard to believe in retrospect. Because we know your career, when you read in the book that you were not accepted as a leading man, it's a little hard to buy. But of course, everyone had a yeah, but.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, but he's a TV star. Yeah, but he's a producer. He's not a leading man. Yeah, but he played a part in China Syndrome, but he's not carrying the lead. You know, that's Jane Fonda, Jack Lemmon. So there's a lot of yeah, but, and you can see that you're, you're pushing, you're hungry to say, wait a minute, no. Romancing the Stone, this is a chance for you to say, check this out. I'm playing light comedy. Uh, it's also, uh, you know, action, and, uh, I'm, I'm holding my own as a leading man.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  It was. But I think the big difference now, going back to, I said to you, the, the, what I learned at the O'Neill Theater and in thing was,

• 27:48Speaker 02

  I looked at the script as a movie, as a, as a movie. But I read a script, and I tried to read it through. It was, oh, this is a good movie. This is a really good movie. I never worried and looked at my part. Second time through reading it, I look at my part.

• 28:04Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Most actors, first thing they do is turn the pages of their part.

• 28:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  And so I think I was very fortunate. Why my batting average ultimately, excuse me, ended up being so good is I was just looking for, well, it was a good movie.

• 28:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Um, even I tried on Romancing the Stone. I tried to cast Burt Reynolds, a couple of other people who wouldn't want to do it. Um, and when you look at Romancing the Stone, came together with a director, Bob Zemeckis, who already had two failures with Steven Spielberg as his executive producer with Used Cars and I Want to Hold Your Hand. But I saw the talent in him. He felt his career was over 28 years old. So we started off with a screenplay from a first-time writer, who's a, a host, a waitress, Diane Thomas.

• 28:54Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  A director nobody wanted, an actor who you said so well, and Kathleen was trying to prove herself after a body heat. We had nothing going for us. The biggest picture that year was the, uh, the, I think it was called Rhinestone. The picture was, that's just alone and Dolly Parton.

• 29:12Conan O'Brien?

  Rhinestone?

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Rhinestone.

• 29:13Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I think so, yeah.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  And, and we were like, you know, off to, off to the side.

• 29:17Conan O'Brien?

  But it's really interesting that you're, again, you're having an extremely successful career, but you're always conscious that people aren't quite taking you as seriously as you think you should be considered. And again, that's fuel.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:34Conan O'Brien?

  You know, you are, you are not satisfied, and it's really Fatal Attraction. You think about this run, Fatal Attraction, Wall Street, Basic Instinct. I mean, you have this run where you become one of the most bankable male leads. But it was a long time coming. And it probably felt to you, especially with Wall Street, I was very impressed reading how hard you worked on becoming Gordon Gekko.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:03Conan O'Brien?

  You really practiced your greed speech thousands and thousands of times. And you really tried to figure out who this guy is. And these things don't happen by accident.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  No, they don't. But you don't have Oliver Stone as your director kicking your ass, uh, either. But, right, so up to that point, I had, after, um, Cuckoo's Nest, Romancing the Stone, China Syndrome, Jewel the Nile, as a producer, again, actor, as a producer, I had four, you know,

• 30:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  Four, four big hits in a row. And then finally, I saw the script on Fatal Attraction. Uh, and Sherri Lancing, who played an important part, was a studio executive at many studios, going with me back to China. China Syndrome and was responsible for buying the script of Romancing the Stone. Deeply grateful. Um, yeah, that was, that was the time for me. That was the final year, the year of Fatal Attraction. Followed three months later with Wall Street coming up. Fatal Attraction, I think was the most, most successful film that year financially, very close to it.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  And then Wall Street and Academy Award finally got me out of the shadow of my father and, and with the, with the confidence that I'd achieved something. But as you say, Conan, that, that was a few years after I began.

• 31:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I mean, you spend, um, years having a lot of success, but you still don't think you're out of Kirk Douglas's shadow. Even though if a therapist might say, no, you are, you know, you're a different person and what you're achieving is quite different from what your father achieved. But this is a, this feeds you, clearly feeds you. One of the things that stood out to me when I read the book is how many of the films you were involved in became touchstones for a moment, whether it was just pure luck or there was something in the zeitgeist that you tuned into. But China Syndrome opens right around the time of Three Mile Island.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Three Mile Island was 12 days after it opened.

• 32:16Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Maybe Three Mile Island happened because they were busy watching China Syndrome. So you might've caused that. Fatal Attraction ignites this nationwide debate. There are a lot of, it's, it can be very divisive. The ending of that movie is still divisive for people. I didn't realize that you shot it one way and then, um, looked at audience scores and the audience really wanted Glenn Close's character to pay. There was a vindictiveness towards her character and eventually you may be ending the way we all know. And that's something people would debate to this day. Is that the right ending? What kind of message is that sending?

• 33:00Conan O'Brien?

  Wall Street happens at the height of, I mean, I think it was 1988 is when the big crash happens on Wall Street and people are wondering what, what, what is the responsibility that Wall Street has to us?

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I attribute that to Oliver, you know, and, and, and Samuel Wise, the writers. Also, I just found out recently after all these years that I was not Oliver's first choice. He went to Warren Beatty. I said, no, I went to Richard Gere and then it came to me. So yes, one of those fateful fluky situations.

• 33:36Conan O'Brien?

  Michael, I was the third choice. Yeah, I was.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  I would believe it.

• 33:40Conan O'Brien?

  I was 23. Um, and I don't even know why I passed it up. I was, I was insane. And then I think their word was, well, then we, now we have to go to Michael Douglas.

• 33:50Conan O'Brien?

  I go way back with you because as a young lad, my brothers and I would watch the streets of San Francisco.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  Oh, no. Yeah. Your momma lets you stay up that late.

• 34:00Conan O'Brien?

  Sometimes we would sneak it. We weren't allowed to watch TV if there was school the next day, but every now and then we would get to watch the streets of San Francisco or we'd watch it in reruns, you, Carl Malden. And what's fascinating to me is you don't look down on the streets of San Francisco, which you can see some actors thinking, I'm doing TV, episodic TV, you know, I, I want to become a movie star. What am I doing this for? That was not your attitude. Your attitude was, I'm going to do this with Carl Malden. I'm going to make this TV show. I'm going to learn everything I can. And then you go to them and you say, I'm going to leave this hit TV show because I want to produce. And a lot of people thought, what are you doing?

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. A lot, a lot of people, including my father and everybody else. But let's be honest, you know, the business in this day and age, I'd love to ship it for four years. I had a five year contract. Finally was at a point we were going to make Fuku's Nest. And I went to Carl Malden, who was my true mentor. I learned so much from him. Uh, and Quinn Martin, who was a big time producer in television at that time.

• 35:00Conan O'Brien?

  Huge FBI.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  FBI, all these shows and told them that I wanted to get out of my contract.

• 35:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  And they both said, Godspeed. I mean, it doesn't happen today. You just would never have that happen today. But one point, Conan, television, San Francisco, the separation between television and movies back then was enormous.

• 35:23Conan O'Brien?

  Yes. Yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  And San Francisco had this prestigious director who was led by Francis Ford Coppola and everything. And they wanted nothing to do with us. And I remember the first season that we were up in San Francisco, they were shitting on us in terms of the press and how Southern California is coming up here, hurting our city and all of that. Then the poll, the, the, the ratings came in. The show was a success and they realized it's a love letter. It's a love letter to San Francisco. Yeah. So they all turned it around the next year.

• 35:58Conan O'Brien?

  Came around.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  We didn't forgive them. We didn't forgive them.

• 36:02Conan O'Brien?

  There's something you talk about in the book that resonated with me, which is you always saw your job. And many of these films have political elements, socially relevant elements. You felt very strongly all along, your first and only job is to tell a good story, not to preach. And you see in our culture now, there's a lot of work. There's a lot of work in comedy. There's a lot of work in drama where people have a message to tell. And I think it's often at the expense of the work. And yes, we have a responsibility. But you make it very clear that you wanted all of these pictures to be entertaining

• 36:45Conan O'Brien?

  and to be about human beings and tell a story, a multi-act story. And not first and foremost to tell you how you should feel about a certain issue. And I think that's been a reason for the success of a lot of these films. And I, I think sometimes uh, as a culture, we can lose our way in that because people get real, I know I have this point of view about a political issue and I need to tell it to you. And somehow afterwards you think, well, I didn't love the story, but I, I surely understand where you're coming from. That's been a big motivator for you.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Amen. Amen. Conan, you're, you're sadly my oldest friend. I've just met you. I really appreciate.

• 37:24Conan O'Brien?

  You and I are gonna, as you remember from earlier, you and I are going to hang out together.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:29Conan O'Brien?

  We're going to hit, we're going to hit the clubs. And we're going to be photographed together going into the clubs and coming out of the clubs. You don't have to talk to me.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:37Conan O'Brien?

  You never have to say a word to me.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Okay. Just look.

• 37:39Conan O'Brien?

  But you need to at least make a face when the paparazzi is around, like I'm your best friend.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I need lifts.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  I need lifts. I mean, I didn't realize you're so tall.

• 37:54Conan O'Brien?

  We'll get you some lifts.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Well, here's the thing. Um, I was an indie producer. I mean, I look back on, on the pictures. Um, I was an indie producer and even the studios, we have what was called, uh, uh, well, it was a studio pickup deal, which is basically you would deliver a script to a studio and the budget you could make it in and the cast. And the studio would say, okay, we'll make it for those X number of dollars. And you were really responsible. You had a completion bond to finish it responsible. So my point is I was just always conscious of two hours of entertainment.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  How much money? How much money do I really just want to spend? How, how do these, how do you spend so much money?

• 38:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  For two hours of entertainment. So besides having a pretty good eye and infrastructure for material, I would try to find things that were a really good movie, but they had a little bit of an aftertaste, you know? So it wasn't like you just, you saw the movie and you go back for half. You have a little bit to think about afterwards. So I would desperately try to find pictures, not all the time. Uh, but, but in that area, um, I just found it more, more rewarding. Um, and, and, and that, and not worrying about your part, um, as much as, uh, the movie.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  And I'm really proud to say, for instance, that, you know, I, I have many actresses who gave their best performances. Uh, and were most successful in pictures that I was acting in or producing.

• 39:33Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Sharon, Sharon Stone and Glenn Close and Kathleen Turner, amongst some, you know, they all did their best, best work.

• 39:42Conan O'Brien?

  Obviously there's going to be, and already has been so much written about co-stars, romantic, you know, liaisons. And people, uh, get obsessed with that.

• 39:56Conan O'Brien?

  That's less my interest because I'm, as you can tell, asexual.

• 40:02Conan O'Brien?

  Just ask my wife, she'll tell you. But it where it plays a part is in this dynamic of the father-son relationship.

• 40:16Conan O'Brien?

  There was a lot that was modeled for you by your father and his relationships, many relationships, infidelities. And then you have this life, you're in a very long marriage with your first wife. And you know, at some point, this isn't really working, but we need to stay together for our son Cameron, we need to stay together for him, that's going to be the best thing. And in retrospect, in the book, you say, I'm not sure that was the right thing. That maybe it would have been better if we had had ended this earlier because and that's,

• 41:00Conan O'Brien?

  you know, certainly a point of view.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  No, it is, I mean, the story of Deandre is is pretty amazing because actually I went to Jimmy Carter's inauguration, January 20th, 1977. I went to the inauguration with Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson, the three of us went there. And I saw this extraordinarily beautiful woman in an event and we got together and low and behold, 60 days later, March 20th, 60 days later, we were married.

• 41:38Conan O'Brien?

  And I'm just curious about one thing. Not many people say, hey, let's go meet women at Jimmy Carter's inaugural.

• 41:48Conan O'Brien?

  It's not

• 41:48Speaker 02

  I wasn't planning on it.

• 41:50Conan O'Brien?

  Well, here's the other thing that that that comes to mind. You're trying to meet up with this very attractive woman, you see, and your wingmen are Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson. You have to move quickly around those guys.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  I guess so.

• 42:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  That's probably Warren, Warren came to the, I knew Jack, obviously, well from Cuckoo's nest and Warren, Warren came to the wedding. And Warren, thank you, it's great you showed up. He said, I just wanted to see if you're really going to do this, you know, and he was, he was

• 42:23Conan O'Brien?

  Because the idea of marriage to him at that time felt like, why would you do this?

• 42:26Speaker 02

  But the the point was that Deandre was a lot younger than I was. Deandre knew nothing about show business. She was, came out to me as a still in college at back in Washington DC. And I was in full tilt, you know, 1980s, rock and roll, six, very successful producer, successful actor, over the top, coking, drinking, she never touched a drug in her life, hated Hollywood. I said, well, honey, this is how I make my living. So it was a struggle. It was a struggle.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  So for instance, the the affair of the time with Kathleen happened, we were separated. Deandre and I at one time and there were, there were others.

• 43:17Conan O'Brien?

  And you've, in the book, you've, you're, you're coming out and saying, people suspected maybe there was an affair with Kathleen Turner, but you're now confirming it after all these years.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  After all these years, well, I gotta sell a book, you know, how many chapters can I do about?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  How many chapters can I do about different movies and all that? I know.

• 43:39Conan O'Brien?

  I kept thinking, why doesn't he get, spend more time talking about the grosses for these films? Why am I reading about these fantastically beautiful women he's sleeping with? I think you, I think you screwed up. This book should have been called Grosses?

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  So it was, it was tough and it was, if we made a decision, actually it was a little bit after Romancing the Stone, we should have called it a day. I mean, we were just very different people from different lives and different friends.

• 44:11Conan O'Brien?

  You and Deandre should have said,

• 44:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:14Conan O'Brien?

  This isn't working. Let's be, let's go our separate ways and maybe this will even be better for our son.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Because in hindsight, for the same reason when I, when my mother and father got divorced, I remember my father coming back the first time after they were divorced in New York to see my mother and everything. And he came in the door of the apartment and he kissed my mother hello on the cheek and hugged her. And I remember I broke down crying, just started crying because the release of pressure that they were okay.

• 44:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Everything's okay. Now, as you said earlier, holding their hands together and, you know, it's so important. So I think as long as kids know that, you know, that you could, you're okay with each other, either together or separately, it's much easier than living with that ongoing tension.

• 45:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  That we can't believe, we think we're such good actors and we cover up from kids.

• 45:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  But they're completely aware.

• 45:12Conan O'Brien?

  Kids see everything.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  They see everything.

• 45:14Conan O'Brien?

  You're aware that the world we live in today, cell phones, social media, everybody takes a picture of everybody all the time. Your life would have been very different if you, I mean, there's so much of your life that could happen discreetly and you could have these different liaisons. Today, anybody would text about it right away, take a picture?

• 45:38Speaker 02

  Absolutely, I could, this is why I guess that you joke, everybody was carrying on about 40 years later about Kathleen Turner. My God, now, you know, these people, you're seeing the roster of their last marriage, who they had boyfriends before that.

• 45:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Who was the best lady they ever had? I mean, it's much too much information that I gotta know. And everybody's got a phone out wherever you go. So especially in the entertainment business, it's much more painful and more difficult.

• 46:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. So you were living at the right time.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I mean, starting with the 60s, starting with the whole experiences I had in college, a hippie culture, the philosophy behind hippiedom, spirituality, psychedelics, hallucinogenics, which got so attacked, which are now coming back 50 years later and seeming, huh, maybe they can be helpful. Yeah, it was an exciting time. It was a filmmaker's time, time that was led, you know, with studio, studio head was the top guy. And you were, you were in the hands, it's changed dramatically.

• 46:51Conan O'Brien?

  When you're describing in this book, you, possibly good-looking young guy, and you're driving around, it's the, it's the 60s, Beach Boys music is playing, beautiful women everywhere. Your fame grows and grows and my God, I think I need a time machine. I need a time machine and I need to go back to 1968 and hang out with Michael Douglas. Would I do better? No, I don't think I would. I think I would hurt your chances.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  I remember when Danny DeVito came up to me to visit me in Santa Barbara when I was still in school the first time. We know Danny's New Yorker, he is. And we had an A-frame, I live with another guy, another girl there. We had a pool, a little pool, but we were all naked. We always ran naked.

• 47:43Conan O'Brien?

  They're all naked like all the time. It's fantastic.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 47:47Conan O'Brien?

  You'd go to the bank to get a loan, you were completely nude.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Plastic wrap.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  But I still remember Danny, the first time he walked up the stairs to the pool, hey, hi Danny. Oi, boy, what have we got here? You know?

• 48:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  He couldn't, he couldn't believe.

• 48:07Conan O'Brien?

  One of the most fascinating, and I knew this about you, but you meet Danny DeVito at the very beginning of your career and, you know, there's a bit of like a midnight cowboy vibe. You're, you're opposites in a lot of ways, but you connect instantly. And then you're good friends and collaborators through your entire career, which is, you know,

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, well, I think, I don't know how it found for you, but you know, those those friends you had before you had success.

• 48:34Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  You just trust them more. You guys were friends before you had all this other stuff happen.

• 48:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  I still got three college buddies that we're still pretty close to. And it makes a difference. It's harder to make friends when there gets more in the way.

• 48:51Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Well, you come up with these people, so they knew you when.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:55Conan O'Brien?

  So Danny DeVito knew you

• 48:56Speaker 02

  We were roommates in New York.

• 48:57Conan O'Brien?

  Naked in an A-frame house and

• 49:00Speaker 02

  And before.

• 49:01Conan O'Brien?

  There's a great story of you're living there, everyone's naked, your, your dad, Kirk Douglas comes to visit and he says, where's the bathroom? And you say, Dad, we just, if it's number one, we just piss off the deck. And he says, all right. So Spartacus is peeing off the deck.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Laughing his head off. I said, Dad, we laughed, I said, this is what I was trying to get away from my whole life.

• 49:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, he grew up in poverty.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, poverty, this is this.

• 49:26Conan O'Brien?

  Isn't this groovy, man? No, it's not groovy. This is what I did, everything to escape.

• 49:33Conan O'Brien?

  You are initially, you don't meet, but you first see Catherine Zeta-Jones on film and you kind of fall in love with her on film.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:43Conan O'Brien?

  Which I did, but she didn't marry me.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  No, I just, I just couldn't, I had, listen, I had a crush on Julie Christie for a lot of years on, on film, I never met her. And all of a sudden, I'm, I'm watching Zorro and Catherine comes on screen, I just Just was mesmerized, just mesmerized and sort of leaned forward. Who is this? And I left the screening house. And then another Esquire magazine or something, there's a profile on her in Esquire magazine. And I'm reading a profile, she's doing this movie with Sean Connery.

• 50:18Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Entrapment. And then she mentions, and she likes older men. Yes, yes. So I never would have even anticipated or thought of going there.

• 50:28Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 02

  I was in such awe of her. I know these are very superficial reasons, but you know, beauty is, is still, still plays an important role.

• 50:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  And so, lo and behold, we're at the same film festival. And I see that her film is playing the night after. And so I ask if it's possible I could have a drink with her and had a drink. And then I, Antonio Banderas was, was there with his wife, Melanie. And I didn't move with Melanie. They invited us for dinner, at dinner. And, and then went from there. And she came back after dinner, we had drinks, talking. And, and it was the beginning, you know, and then took a cover a year and a half.

• 51:15Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  But I'm, it'll be 26 years.

• 51:18Conan O'Brien?

  26 years.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  This November.

• 51:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, that's incredible.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:24Conan O'Brien?

  Congratulations.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 51:25Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I have to say, when I read the book, there are all these themes that I said have run through the whole story, your story. And I'm curious now, from this vantage point, you talk about it a little bit in the book, but from this vantage point, looking back on everything, people love to say, no regrets. Do you have any regrets? Is there anything you actually like, okay, I do this? Or do you, do you take the whole thing as one piece and say, you know what? I accept it all.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  I, I take the second, I, I accept it all.

• 51:56Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  I mean, we've talked about, you mentioned a marriage earlier.

• 52:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  And, and you know, but it's, it's just all part of the, of the, I mean, it's just important for people to read because sometimes, you know, you get the Hollywood royalty and your life looks magical. And they don't know or remember the five turkey pictures you made before you had the O'Neal television. And, you know, some of the adversarial, the adversities that you did face and, and cancer. So, yeah, I'm, I'm happy now that I sort of, I just one day got just tired of, and then I realized, well, Michael, Michael, you've been doing this for 50 years. You've been pushing it pretty hard. And so I did this last, I think it was Ben Franklin thing in the 22 beginning, 23.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  And took time off and loved it, just loved having time off. Didn't know what I was going to do. Just loved having time off and, and spending a lot of time in kind of Spain, moving away from what looks like a really crazy ass world out there. Just, I can't remember and everybody I ask, I was born in 1944. And I think this is the most difficult time.

• 53:13Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  I'm not a World War Two kid, but this is the most difficult time that I can ever remember.

• 53:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Not just in our, in our country, but in, on the planet.

• 53:23Conan O'Brien?

  And you, you say that having lived through the late 60s, which was many people, when I was growing up, that was thought of as the most divisive.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:33Conan O'Brien?

  Dark time that America came through in Watergate. And you think what we're in now is darker.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Much, much darker.

• 53:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  And take.

• 53:41Conan O'Brien?

  That's how it feels.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  In large parts, due to social media and polarization. But again, to say not only in, in this country. I was deeply influenced very early in college by a guy named Buckminster Fuller.

• 53:56Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 02

  Who came and he gave a lecture on spaceship Earth. And at that very early point in life, he gave me an idea of how tiny, tiny this little planet is. And as far as we keep reaching out with the telescopes everywhere, billions of light years away, we haven't found anything. There may be, I may be, I love the idea of UFO, but this is it.

• 54:21Conan O'Brien?

  This is all we got.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  And to find us at this time in life, when they're talking about AI and intelligence and all this.

• 54:29Conan O'Brien?

  Global warming and everything.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. For our, this little tiny planet to still be fighting battles with each other. And for me, it's been, you know, nuclear weapons and the massive destruction, how we haven't decided, we could work this out. I mean, there's enough money in the world, but most people, all they want is a little food and some house. So there are continents, be it Africa and everything.

• 54:56Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Maybe you need a little more, more help. But what, what is, what is our failure with these leaders not to understand that? So this is why I've been a long supporter of the United Nations. I know it's got a lot of faults, but there are, are world organizations that are designed for us to think like the tiny planet that we are.

• 55:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Rather than a bunch of individuals.

• 55:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Yeah. I disagree with you completely.

• 55:28Conan O'Brien?

  I'm all for, I'm sorry. I, nothing you said right there makes sense. You were on my very short list of iconic movie personas that I've not met. And so this was a big deal for me. Very cool to be able to sit with you. I love the book, One Hell of a Ride. And I am very much looking forward to you and I becoming good friends.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:53Conan O'Brien?

  That hit the clubs.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, that, that should be a little hard.

• 55:57Conan O'Brien?

  Walking.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  I'm an early guy, I'm an early guy. You an early guy or a late guy?

• 56:00Conan O'Brien?

  I would do whatever you tell me to do. I'm Michael Douglas, you know, just, you know, if we could arrange a time to meet up. And we can, we can actually Photoshop it so it looks like we're coming out of a club very late.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Conan, this is such a treat, man. You're, you're, you're so smart. I've always known that. But the homework that you've done, I'm honored. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me on your show.

• 56:21Conan O'Brien?

  It was an honor to talk to your dad on the, on the old show. And now to talk to you, this is a real treat for me. And you know what? You did pretty good.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  I'm trying. I may have one of my sons with you, two or daughter.

• 56:34Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  You're all the business.

• 56:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. There you go. All right. Well, hey, thank you so much for this.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 56:39Conan O'Brien?

  A real treat.

• 56:47Conan O'Brien?

  Ever invest in something that seemed incredible at first, but didn't live up to the hype?

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, like all the time.

• 56:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I did that with an all potato restaurant.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 56:58Conan O'Brien?

  Marketers know that feeling. They optimize for the numbers that look great, like impressions, but then they don't see revenue. You know what I'm talking about, don't you, Sean?

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, all the time.

• 57:08Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. LinkedIn has a word for that, bull spend.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Bull spend.

• 57:11Conan O'Brien?

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• 58:02Speaker 04

  She'd throw things, wander, and started hoarding. Mom's Alzheimer's was already so hard. But then we found out she had agitation that may happen with dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. And that was a different kind of difficult. So we asked her doctor for more help.

• 58:18Speaker 05

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• 58:52Speaker 04

  I'm glad I asked for help.

• 58:54Speaker 05

  Ask your loved one's doctor about Rexulti.

• 59:04Conan O'Brien?

  We are back with a very special guest. This gentleman first shot to fame on my episode of Hot Ones. The minute people saw him, I don't think they loved him, but they were maybe intrigued. He has since appeared in several of my travel shows. He pops up in the Conan universe from time to time. And we thought, we must see more of this fellow. So he's here to talk about his latest project. And it's a show, it's going to be on the Conan O'Brien YouTube channel, called I'll See You in Health.

• 59:44Speaker 06

  That's correct. That's right.

• 59:45Conan O'Brien?

  Dr. Arroyo.

• 59:46Speaker 06

  Hi, hi, everyone.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Hi, hello.

• 59:49Speaker 06

  Yes, it's called I'll See You in Health with Dr. Arroyo.

• 59:54Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 59:55Speaker 06

  And that's, we tried go to health and to health with you, but it didn't, it didn't test.

• 1:00:01Conan O'Brien?

  No, I, I love that every, every version that you experimented with seems to have the same problem.

• 1:00:08Speaker 06

  To health and back.

• 1:00:09Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, to health and back.

• 1:00:12Speaker 06

  What the health?

• 1:00:14Conan O'Brien?

  It'll be a cold day in health.

• 1:00:15Speaker 06

  Cold day in health. I tested that as well.

• 1:00:18Conan O'Brien?

  Dr. Arroyo, I get asked about you all the time.

• 1:00:22Speaker 06

  I get asked about you as well.

• 1:00:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Speaker 06

  You've been a longtime patient.

• 1:00:26Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 1:00:27Speaker 06

  Two of your colleagues here are not patients of mine, and I'd like to extend. Son, I brought you a tongue depressor. If you'd like to join my practice and

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:00:38Speaker 06

  be a patient of mine, just use that tongue depressor, bring it in. And

• 1:00:42Conan O'Brien?

  Look at that. It has your name on it.

• 1:00:44Speaker 06

  It's sanitary. It's just for you. You use it.

• 1:00:46Conan O'Brien?

  But wait a minute, the back has her husband's name.

• 1:00:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, don't use that side. That'll be for

• 1:00:52Conan O'Brien?

  Couldn't you have, couldn't you have given her two tongue depressors?

• 1:00:56Speaker 06

  That's, yeah, well, that's not affordable, is it? I'm doing affordable healthcare.

• 1:01:00Conan O'Brien?

  It's a, it's a, literally, it's a splinter of wood.

• 1:01:02Speaker 06

  Well, it's a piece of white birch. If you, I mean, it doesn't grow on trees.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  And I bring this every time?

• 1:01:09Speaker 06

  You bring that every time, yes. And that'll be just yours. And Matt, you get that one?

• 1:01:13Speaker 07

  Oh, okay.

• 1:01:13Speaker 06

  Thank you so much. Wow.

• 1:01:14Conan O'Brien?

  But wait a minute.

• 1:01:15Speaker 06

  Excuse me.

• 1:01:16Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 1:01:17Speaker 06

  Excuse me.

• 1:01:18Conan O'Brien?

  What's wrong?

• 1:01:18Speaker 06

  Says Rebecca on the other side.

• 1:01:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, who's Rebecca?

• 1:01:22Speaker 06

  That's what Amanda wants to know. We don't know.

• 1:01:27Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:01:28Speaker 06

  Matt, we don't know who Rebecca is. We hope you do.

• 1:01:31Conan O'Brien?

  Now, Dr. Arroyo, and this has come up, this has come up many times before. Every time, I've been seeing you for a number of years. I don't know why, because I have access to real professionals.

• 1:01:45Speaker 06

  It's expensive.

• 1:01:46Conan O'Brien?

  It is. I've never met you in a medical facility. You always insist that we meet. I've met you in parking lots, a lot of Denny's parking lots.

• 1:01:56Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 1:01:58Conan O'Brien?

  You like to meet at night.

• 1:01:59Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:02:00Conan O'Brien?

  The examinations are very cursory. They're quick.

• 1:02:03Speaker 06

  Well, and they're at night, so not a lot of light.

• 1:02:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 1:02:06Speaker 06

  It's, you're a word against mine.

• 1:02:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  So, okay.

• 1:02:11Conan O'Brien?

  It works out. Okay. All right. Now, well, the exciting news here.

• 1:02:18Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:02:18Conan O'Brien?

  Dr. Arroyo.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:02:20Conan O'Brien?

  Is that you have a new, you have a new YouTube channel show.

• 1:02:25Speaker 06

  I do.

• 1:02:26Conan O'Brien?

  It's called I'll See You in Health.

• 1:02:27Speaker 06

  I'll See You in Health.

• 1:02:28Conan O'Brien?

  And it's on the Conan O'Brien YouTube channel.

• 1:02:32Speaker 06

  That is correct.

• 1:02:32Conan O'Brien?

  This is not Team Coco. This is the Conan O'Brien YouTube channel and

• 1:02:36Speaker 06

  @ConanO'Brien on YouTube. And I have a 10-episode residency there. If you look up the shorts, you can see my shorts on, on, @ConanO'Brien YouTube.

• 1:02:47Conan O'Brien?

  Now, you've already made some. There are some available already. Can you tell us about them?

• 1:02:51Speaker 06

  Yes, of course.

• 1:02:52Conan O'Brien?

  Give us a preview of what people might see.

• 1:02:54Speaker 06

  We all remember the dirty lettuce outbreak of the summer. So one of the symptoms was explosive diarrhea. And I carefully explained the difference between explosive diarrhea and regular diarrhea, using a garden hose and its different attachments.

• 1:03:08Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. That's helpful.

• 1:03:10Speaker 06

  And spray.

• 1:03:10Conan O'Brien?

  That's, that's helpful for people.

• 1:03:12Speaker 06

  Even the rare diarrhea mist, which is not, not that

• 1:03:16Conan O'Brien?

  Is there also, there's also a rotating diarrhea?

• 1:03:19Speaker 06

  Yes, a diarrhea pulsator.

• 1:03:21Conan O'Brien?

  Right?

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:03:22Conan O'Brien?

  That's more used Short, quick bursts of diarrhea and a 360-degree rotation of the hips.

• 1:03:27Speaker 06

  Exactly. That's used in agriculture mostly.

• 1:03:29Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, all right.

• 1:03:30Speaker 06

  In any case, that's how we got the dirty lettuce in the first place.

• 1:03:33Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, so

• 1:03:35Speaker 06

  In any case.

• 1:03:36Conan O'Brien?

  But that is a very helpful, that is a very helpful segment for people to see.

• 1:03:41Speaker 06

  That is a helpful segment. There's others. There's temporary hearing loss. If you saw The Odyssey on IMAX, what to do with that.

• 1:03:47Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 1:03:47Speaker 06

  There's red eyes. There's athlete's foot. This little piggy didn't spray the bowling shoes. This little piggy took a shower in a women's correctional facility. Those kinds of things, the kinds of things that give you athlete's foot.

• 1:03:59Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 1:04:00Speaker 06

  There's how to use a tongue depressor, and I use a puppet for that. And in the latest episode, I even used my newest patient, Aaron Blair, who discusses his sleep apnea.

• 1:04:10Conan O'Brien?

  That's right. Yeah, and Dr. Arroyo is very helpful.

• 1:04:13Speaker 06

  That's right. That's right. We used, we used him and we used, I'm not, there's some litigation as to whether or not I should really practice on humans, but, but puppets are absolutely

• 1:04:25Conan O'Brien?

  Puppet you've got there.

• 1:04:27Speaker 06

  Absolutely safe. And so we discussed sleep apnea with this guy, who's this little sleepy puppet.

• 1:04:32Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, look at him.

• 1:04:34Speaker 06

  And this is Gomer.

• 1:04:35Conan O'Brien?

  Hi, Gomer.

• 1:04:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:37Conan O'Brien?

  Does he have a voice? Does Gomer?

• 1:04:39Speaker 06

  Now he's sleeping, clearly.

• 1:04:42Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, we would never awake a sleeping puppet.

• 1:04:44Speaker 06

  Never wake a sleeping puppet. They could jump off your arm.

• 1:04:48Conan O'Brien?

  So, Gomer's sleeping, and so by using the puppet.

• 1:04:52Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 1:04:53Conan O'Brien?

  You, first of all, it's a great visual aid and you avoid litigation.

• 1:04:56Speaker 06

  Avoid litigation, exactly. And since I'm my own lawyer, it's, it's

• 1:05:03Conan O'Brien?

  Are you certified to practice law?

• 1:05:05Speaker 06

  I am, well, you know, it's actually, I'm not allowed to answer that question because of current, yeah, my lawyer told me not to answer that question.

• 1:05:12Conan O'Brien?

  So you're a lawyer who has a lawyer?

• 1:05:13Speaker 06

  I am a lawyer.

• 1:05:14Conan O'Brien?

  I think you just answered our question.

• 1:05:15Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:05:16Conan O'Brien?

  So that's great. I love that you're using

• 1:05:18Speaker 06

  And so he, we talked about sleep apnea and how it affects. And Aaron, you wanted to say, tell me, what is sleep apnea?

• 1:05:26Speaker 07

  Oh, yes. It's when the soft tissue in your throat kind of closes. That's right. Yeah, on your airway when you're trying to sleep. It's, and so it leads to snoring and you stop, you stop breathing. Yes, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. Yes, yes.

• 1:05:46Speaker 06

  It was a very effective episode. You know what? And it's coming out.

• 1:05:48Conan O'Brien?

  I have nodded off many times during one of Blay's verbal perambulations.

• 1:05:52Speaker 06

  Oh, absolutely. I belong to doctors.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  That puppet just sleeps?

• 1:05:57Speaker 06

  Yes, he's, he's sleeping now.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  It doesn't speak?

• 1:05:59Speaker 06

  No, it was, I, I think I overdosed him and we'll figure that. He's, he's resilient. He's a good, he's a trooper.

• 1:06:06Conan O'Brien?

  But did you help Blay at all? Blay, are you like improved since you've seen Dr. Arroyo?

• 1:06:11Speaker 07

  Oh, no, I didn't need any help.

• 1:06:12Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:06:13Speaker 07

  No, I have a sleep, I have a CPAP machine. It was more informational to help.

• 1:06:17Speaker 06

  Exactly. We were telling our viewers.

• 1:06:19Conan O'Brien?

  This is tangential, but I've often tried to close the soft tissue in Blay's throat by grabbing him with two hands and just trying, and just in a bitter, bitter rage.

• 1:06:30Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 1:06:31Conan O'Brien?

  But he has a lot of soft tissue in there. Very hard to crunch that all down. Dr. Arroyo, this is exciting. Do you see this as bringing in more patients? I mean, this is, look, you've now hitched your wagon to the Conan O'Brien comet. This might mean big things for you. What are you thinking?

• 1:06:50Speaker 06

  Well, I could see having more than a handful of patients and finally talking to the board, the California Board of Medicine, to, you know, iron out some wrinkles with my license. And, and I think this is all build positive momentum in that, in that way.

• 1:07:06Conan O'Brien?

  Do you see you maybe going to the, the board?

• 1:07:09Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:07:09Conan O'Brien?

  California Board of

• 1:07:10Speaker 06

  Of Medicine.

• 1:07:11Conan O'Brien?

  Of Medicine and maybe showing them some of these, some of these videos to get yourself maybe rehabilitated, even if that's necessary. I don't know that it is necessary.

• 1:07:21Speaker 06

  Well, no, but you know, if, if Dr. Pepper and Dr. can be called a doctor, I can be called a doctor as well.

• 1:07:27Conan O'Brien?

  Dr. Dre.

• 1:07:28Speaker 06

  Dr. Gray. I, yes, exactly. Dr. Brown's, the rug doctor. I'm part of a tradition of doctors in this country. And, and that's

• 1:07:39Conan O'Brien?

  Do you know what that device is that's hanging around your neck right now?

• 1:07:43Speaker 06

  It's called Oh, that came with the jacket.

• 1:07:45Conan O'Brien?

  No.

• 1:07:47Speaker 06

  So I don't, but thanks for pointing it out.

• 1:07:51Conan O'Brien?

  When I was doing the Hot Ones and really tasted some hot wings, you stepped in and you very, I mean, I remember you took that, it is called a stethoscope, and you, you, you listened to my tongue, which was, that was a great moment.

• 1:08:05Speaker 06

  It was on fire. Yes.

• 1:08:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:07Speaker 06

  It was very brave of you, what you did. I, I commend you.

• 1:08:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. And that's which led to, that led to your diarrhea segment.

• 1:08:16Speaker 06

  Directly.

• 1:08:17Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. Listen, Dr. Arroyo, the show is called I'll See You in Health. It's on the Conan O'Brien YouTube channel. And I just, I wish you all the very best.

• 1:08:28Speaker 06

  I do too.

• 1:08:29Conan O'Brien?

  And I think I'm seeing you, I think I'm seeing you in a week and a half is on my schedule.

• 1:08:34Speaker 06

  Yes, yes. Please don't be late. Because they, they close the parking lot with a chain.

• 1:08:41Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, we've had that happen before. Yeah. Okay, thank you so much, doctor.

• 1:08:46Speaker 06

  All right. Thank you, everyone.

• 1:08:47Conan O'Brien?

  Goodbye.

• 1:08:48Speaker 06

  Bye bye.

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