Ziggy Marley | Club Random with Bill Maher

Ziggy Marley stops by Club Random to talk to Bill Maher about his new album, Brightside. The conversation drifts—from music and life in Jamaica to Rastafarian beliefs, sacred herb, and why Ziggy keeps his cannabis use private and spiritual, not commercial. Along the way, they get into food, health, and a shared distrust of what we consume. Ziggy reflects on growing up as Bob Marley’s son, navigating identity, and learning to set boundaries after watching a life that was open to everyone. They touch on cross-cultural relationships, religion, and the idea that most labels don’t hold up under real human connection. Check out Brightside when it drops April 18—and catch him on tour. Support our Advertisers: -Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/RANDOM #rulapod #ad -Get 15% off OneSkin with the code RANDOM at https://www.oneskin.co/RANDOM #oneskinpod #ad Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:59Speaker 04

  You know, you don't trust the rest of us, right?

• 2:03Speaker 04

  This is a perfect example of why.

• 2:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can see that. They know Barabas personally. Because he robbed them.

• 2:19Bill Maher?

  How are you?

• 2:20Speaker 04

  Yes, how am I?

• 2:21Bill Maher?

  You look exactly the same the last time I saw you. You haven't aged a thing.

• 2:25Speaker 04

  Not yet, yeah.

• 2:26Bill Maher?

  Really? Do you remember that?

• 2:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember.

• 2:29Bill Maher?

  Real times?

• 2:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember, real times, yeah.

• 2:31Bill Maher?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 2:32Speaker 04

  It was fun.

• 2:33Bill Maher?

  And I remember, I was always so surprised. You seem so exotic, and you live close.

• 2:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:41Bill Maher?

  Everybody lives in L.A., huh?

• 2:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, we are.

• 2:43Bill Maher?

  How long have you been here?

• 2:46Speaker 04

  Well, 20 years now.

• 2:47Bill Maher?

  20?

• 2:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I met my wife.

• 2:49Bill Maher?

  Well, you grew up in Jamaica?

• 2:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I grew up in Jamaica.

• 2:52Bill Maher?

  How old were you when you left?

• 2:53Speaker 04

  Like, 30, 30 years.

• 2:55Bill Maher?

  Oh, you were grown?

• 2:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm a grown up, yeah, man. I grew up on.

• 2:59Bill Maher?

  I don't know if you smoke?

• 3:01Speaker 04

  No, I'm married right now.

• 3:03Bill Maher?

  Not right now?

• 3:04Speaker 04

  No, I'm married right now.

• 3:07Bill Maher?

  I thought you'd be smoking as I walked in. Now, why is that? You're not a big smoker?

• 3:12Speaker 04

  No, it's a very private thing for me, you know?

• 3:15Bill Maher?

  Private?

• 3:16Speaker 04

  Spiritual. It's a very...

• 3:18Bill Maher?

  I take that as an insult.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  Check what I said, check what I said, oh.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, certain parts of my life is not for everyone, you see, you know? And that, you know what I mean, so, I don't know. I've been that way since I was younger. It's like how I grew up with herb.

• 3:36Bill Maher?

  No, this is because it's more of a sacred sacrament, I see.

• 3:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:41Bill Maher?

  It'd be like me taking communion.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, hey, let's have communion.

• 3:45Bill Maher?

  I mean, if I was still a Catholic. I did as a child, and...

• 3:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, not to that little, but I just, yeah.

• 3:52Bill Maher?

  I see. But it won't offend you if I...

• 3:55Speaker 04

  No, man, I love it, man. I tell the contact.

• 3:58Bill Maher?

  What does that mean?

• 3:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, I tell the contact upon you.

• 4:01Bill Maher?

  I thought you were speaking a different... I tell the contact. It means blessings upon you and your yak. No, uh...

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Potwa, potwa, good old potwa.

• 4:11Bill Maher?

  Oh, okay.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  In Jamaica, it's that.

• 4:14Bill Maher?

  Contact, okay.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Sometime I try to talk, like, you know, so, like, you can't ask him about...

• 4:21Bill Maher?

  But do you smoke every day?

• 4:23Speaker 04

  No, no, sometimes.

• 4:24Bill Maher?

  Not even every day?

• 4:25Speaker 04

  Uh-uh. I don't know.

• 4:27Bill Maher?

  Who are you? Who's under that hat?

• 4:31Speaker 04

  No, I'm not gonna smoke every day. When the feeling, when the feeling take us.

• 4:36Bill Maher?

  I'm similar. I don't smoke every day.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. And the thing with me is I can take weeks off or months off. It's not something that I need, you know? I don't like, I don't like doing anything that I need to do, like I need it. And I don't wanna get, I don't wanna get like that at the time.

• 4:49Bill Maher?

  I mean, so much of your music, which I told you when you were on Real Time, I'm really a fan of. I mean, I feel like you synthesized reggae into something that, for me who grew up on pop, is like the perfect blend of.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:01Bill Maher?

  And, uh, but a lot, you know, a lot of lyrics. You do not like politician, politicians. And, and it must bug you that pot, especially in America now, is so political. I mean, it's, because it's legal. So the states are involved, they're getting lots of taxes from it.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Right, right, right.

• 5:21Bill Maher?

  Does this bug you?

• 5:23Speaker 04

  No, I really, no, we're like the fact that, you know, when I'm, when I feel, cause we used to have a hide and, you know, I used to get searched a lot, you know, coming through customs or whatever because of that. But I like that freedom side of it. But what really, what I'm concerned about is the over-commercialization of it. And then, cause, you know, that's like the food we eat. The herb we smoke, we want to be as natural as possible, you know what I mean? Cause we don't wanna put shit in our body.

• 5:47Bill Maher?

  Dude, I grow it right here.

• 5:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, there you go.

• 5:49Bill Maher?

  You're sitting yards from where the plant is.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Pick some.

• 5:53Bill Maher?

  Allegedly. No. I kid, officer. No, it's legal now. You can have a plant.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:59Bill Maher?

  It's not like I have a whole fucking farm out there, but, you know. That's the only way you can guarantee.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:06Bill Maher?

  What you're getting.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  What you're getting.

• 6:07Bill Maher?

  I don't, I don't trust them.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  No, no, that, no, yeah, no, that's real. That's a good thing.

• 6:12Bill Maher?

  I don't trust restaurants.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:14Bill Maher?

  You know, you know what I do before I go out to dinner?

• 6:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:17Bill Maher?

  I eat. At home.

• 6:18Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 6:19Bill Maher?

  Oh, come on. Really? I bet the only other person. It's like, I like the, I like the atmosphere of a restaurant and sitting with people. But I, I don't, I don't trust your food.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  I don't wanna go there hungry.

• 6:33Bill Maher?

  Right, right.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:35Bill Maher?

  And I don't trust what you're doing back there. Because I know what your game is. You want me to come back to the restaurant. How do you do that? You make something that's so fucking delicious.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:45Bill Maher?

  Right? And it is. Restaurant food is delicious. Although it's not even really a lot, the kind of food I like. I like comfort food, diner food.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:54Bill Maher?

  So like, I will, I basically have dinner and then go out to dinner.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, right, that's the best.

• 6:59Bill Maher?

  And then just order like a salad.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  I do that to sometime when I'm going to people's house. Like, even for dinner sometime. I like to eat, let me eat, I don't know what, you know, whatever you guys are cooking for dinner, whatever, that's fine, but let me go at least so that I'm not hungry.

• 7:14Bill Maher?

  Not that we don't trust you, but we don't trust you. I mean, that's it, I really, I mean. It's so hard to keep toxins of all kinds out of your body.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  It hard. And then, you know, we travel a lot and then, I don't know, like, this is just true, like, the food here is, has a different reaction than the food in Europe or in New Zealand, where I've had food. You know, we travel, we eat. The food here is something, there's something off about it here in terms of when I eat it, how my digestive system process it.

• 7:47Bill Maher?

  You say your reaction to it.

• 7:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, you can't feel like, oh, you can't feel it, you know, so. Yeah, the quality, the quality, I'm, you know, we have a put quality in our system, it just, especially now, this, this age and stuff, so.

• 8:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah, the Rolling Stones wrote about that. Remember Jumpin' Jack Flash? It's a gas, gas, gas.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  That, that, that's all that was, gas, gas, gas.

• 8:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no, I, I hear you.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, I know, man.

• 8:16Bill Maher?

  Sometimes I get home, if I have eaten in a restaurant and, and there will be like, oh gosh, I can't get to sleep. Well, they probably put sugar or caffeine in some fucking thing that I didn't think they would, or, you know, they just, I just. I don't trust them.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  So you don't, you don't have no way that you trust? You don't have like a spot that you trust?

• 8:36Bill Maher?

  I trust them. I, you know what I trust them to do is to treat me well. I mean, like, I love my restaurants here in LA. I mean, and, and the atmosphere and they just do everything. It's just elegant. You feel like, oh, I'm a grown up.

• 8:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:51Bill Maher?

  Who grew up and got successful enough to eat at this fucking place. And it feels good.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:56Bill Maher?

  But I don't trust your food. No, I just don't. It's just not what you're in the business of doing. It's not a health, if you want health food.

• 9:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:04Bill Maher?

  Uh, you know, go, um, cash a bond and buy your weekly bread at fucking Air One.

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause. Yeah, yeah, I get you, I get you, I get you, that's true.

• 9:15Bill Maher?

  I mean, there's, I'm assuming you're a, you have a lot of kids, right? You live in a traditional household. Does your wife do the cooking?

• 9:24Speaker 04

  Well, you know, she started cooking, the first time in her life, she wasn't doing the cooking.

• 9:31Bill Maher?

  But then you.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  She couldn't cook, she couldn't cook.

• 9:33Bill Maher?

  But then you.

• 9:34Speaker 04

  You know, when COVID happened, that's when she started doing the cooking. She started COVID, yeah.

• 9:39Bill Maher?

  COVID?

• 9:40Speaker 04

  Well, I was a woman, she, she does. People, I guess she had to find something to do, you know? But she really, she's gotten really good at it.

• 9:46Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's been, so she's doing a lot of cooking now. I cook too. But she, she does, she does.

• 9:51Bill Maher?

  And what are the traditional dishes we would find in the Marley household?

• 9:55Speaker 04

  In the Marley house? Well, you know, well, I'm telling you, I'll cook, I'll cook some fry plant and green plantin. Fried green plantin.

• 10:04Bill Maher?

  Where you get that?

• 10:05Speaker 04

  We just buy it anywhere, at any supermarket.

• 10:08Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 10:08Speaker 04

  You buy it green?

• 10:10Bill Maher?

  I've never seen it in the aisle. What is it?

• 10:12Speaker 04

  You never see green plantin?

• 10:13Bill Maher?

  Green plantin?

• 10:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, and we're fried. You ever, you ever had green plantin?

• 10:19Bill Maher?

  Uh, no.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  No?

• 10:20Bill Maher?

  I, I mean, it's, we're not saying plankton, are we?

• 10:23Speaker 04

  No, not plankton, plantain.

• 10:26Bill Maher?

  Plantain, oh, plantain, yes.

• 10:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, plantain.

• 10:29Bill Maher?

  Plantain, yes. I think I have seen it, or, what does it look like? A banana?

• 10:33Speaker 04

  It looks like a big banana.

• 10:34Bill Maher?

  It looks like a, I've seen the big banana.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:37Bill Maher?

  I have seen the big banana.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  You can't eat it ripe or you can't eat it green?

• 10:41Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  So, well, I, I do that, you know? I do, um, I use it also to make porridge with it. Planting porridge.

• 10:48Bill Maher?

  Porridge, not a word you hear a lot.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  My wife, no, my wife, she's Jewish, so she make challah.

• 10:53Bill Maher?

  Jewish?

• 10:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, she is, born like a Israel, Israel woman.

• 10:57Bill Maher?

  Isn't that wonderful?

• 10:59Speaker 04

  So she have, she make challah, and she cook, you know, the Shabbat dinner and things like that, so.

• 11:04Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, we enjoy it.

• 11:05Bill Maher?

  She makes challah when you, when you challah.

• 11:10Bill Maher?

  It's great the way the, the cultures can melt like that, is it not?

• 11:14Speaker 04

  Yes, man, yes, man.

• 11:15Bill Maher?

  I mean, I did not know that, married to a Jamaican and a Jewish wife.

• 11:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, Israeli, Israeli.

• 11:21Bill Maher?

  And it works, because people are just people, right?

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it work, but it work, yeah, I mean, work, I, I mean, when, I mean, what may I say is like, love work, if you love, if you have that real love, love work, you know, and you still have a work at it too. And then, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't always kosher with the family.

• 11:47Bill Maher?

  You use a technical term that actually apply.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  But eventually, them see the love, and the love conquer that, that, that, that stereotypical thing that they see how they want.

• 11:58Bill Maher?

  Absolutely.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  You know, when them see the love, I'm like, oh, this is, alright, yeah.

• 12:01Bill Maher?

  Question is, can you make kosher plantain?

• 12:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, plant and kosher, man, yeah, fine.

• 12:07Bill Maher?

  You can?

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, kosher.

• 12:09Bill Maher?

  You can make anything kosher?

• 12:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, plant, vegetable kosher, man, vegetables, I think, um.

• 12:15Bill Maher?

  Right, I, I, you can make anything kosher, because it's complete bullshit anyway. It's just some guy who's saying, this is, you know, it's the rabbi's blessing, you know, I mean, it's not like they're doing it, they're actually putting, you know, caffeine in it or something.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  No, I think them have certain traditions of how they slaughter the animal and stuff like, it's like, it's ancient, it's an ancient tradition.

• 12:34Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 12:34Speaker 04

  Because, I mean, in, in commercial farming, this, it's like, brood, them just slaughter the animal, all that fear, all that blood, you know, all that, that stuff affect what you eating, like.

• 12:44Bill Maher?

  Correct.

• 12:45Speaker 04

  So, it's like, how you slaughter the animal that you're gonna eat is, is also significant. So I think that's all, I think that's where that comes from, like, how you do the slaughtering, you know?

• 12:57Bill Maher?

  Right, I think it's better if the animal doesn't see it coming.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:01Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's not good for the animal either way, let's be honest, but animals do kill each other, it's not like they're blameless. But I feel like. Animals are smarter than we think and they know when they're like in the slaughterhouse.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 13:15Bill Maher?

  And then they're on the line.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:17Bill Maher?

  And I think that sort of anxiety

• 13:21Bill Maher?

  does affect

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, man.

• 13:23Bill Maher?

  the chemistry of the, of the creature.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:27Bill Maher?

  That then you are eating.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:29Bill Maher?

  So it's not just, you know, there's not hippie bullshit.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  No, no, it's true. It's true. It's science. It's natural. It's natural.

• 13:35Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 13:35Speaker 04

  It's natural. You know, so you ever kill a, you ever kill an animal? Have you killed?

• 13:40Bill Maher?

  I have not killed an animal.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  So when you grew up, you grew up on like a semi-farm, so you used to kill?

• 13:45Bill Maher?

  Well, I've, I've fished.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  You've fished?

• 13:47Bill Maher?

  That's killing an animal. Yes, when I was, you're right. When I was eight or nine years old, we went out at the shore, on the boat, and I was very thrilled and you caught Ling was the fish.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Ling.

• 13:58Bill Maher?

  And it was not even a good fish. Maybe we found a way to use them, but I think it was just because it was amusement. It was something that you did.

• 14:05Speaker 04

  Sport, yeah.

• 14:06Bill Maher?

  A sport.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:07Bill Maher?

  Which is horrible.

• 14:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:08Bill Maher?

  And I killed butterflies.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  No, that's wicked.

• 14:12Bill Maher?

  I, I was five. Come on. You can't, I mean, I don't wanna be held.

• 14:17Speaker 04

  That's wicked.

• 14:18Bill Maher?

  I'm saying, I don't wanna be held responsible for what I did when I was 20, let alone five. Or 40.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  You just kill, you're curious.

• 14:25Bill Maher?

  I just, it was, I don't know. I, I didn't think, I was too young to think about it. It was just a, a sport. Again, like I hadn't, they gave me a butterfly net and I would go out and, you know, there was.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  It's in our, it's in our nature to kill, to be curious about killing, right?

• 14:40Bill Maher?

  Kill and it was also, it's in my nature to collect.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 14:44Bill Maher?

  I'm a collector, you know?

• 14:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:45Bill Maher?

  Uh, and so I would get them and then, this is so horrible. There was a thing and they called it the killing jar. Because you would, you wanted to, you wanna kill it in pristine form.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 14:58Bill Maher?

  Because then my father mounted them. You know, you'd put it in this, we had them on the wall.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 15:04Bill Maher?

  You know, in glass case.

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I've seen that.

• 15:07Bill Maher?

  It was because they're pretty.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:09Bill Maher?

  But it was just barbaric.

• 15:10Speaker 04

  So you catch a monkey and then you put him in a glass case?

• 15:13Bill Maher?

  Yes, the killing jar and then it was formaldo.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  You're serious?

• 15:18Bill Maher?

  Of course, it was the killing jar. I mean, the fact that they left it with a five-year-old to do is hysterical. Because I could have been like, eh, what's in this jar? And been like for the rest of my life. I mean, but people were that like that back in then. They weren't that careful with the kids. And so I did, I have killed things and I'm sure I will pay.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, you know, but at least you know what it is like. Because like for us, we used to kill, we used to have chicken and we have to kill the chicken. And then we eat the chicken in the evening when we're going up in Jamaica. You know what I mean? That's how you kill, you know the chicken, you kill it and eat it. It's a part, it's a part of, it's a part of.

• 15:55Bill Maher?

  Again, this is why we don't have to feel too guilty about it. Because if you've ever watched a nature show.

• 16:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:01Bill Maher?

  You just see the animals in the wild. The hyenas are lovingly drinking by the river. And then the lion comes and just rips him to fucking pieces. And it's, you know, they're even like if my dog got out, the coyotes. The coyotes, which are almost cousins, deaf cousins to the dogs. There would be no professional courtesy.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:26Bill Maher?

  There would be no, you know, our species are so close.

• 16:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:29Bill Maher?

  I can't rightfully feel good about eating you. Oh, no. They will, they will take Paris Hilton's little dog every day of the week.

• 16:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, man. No, we are just a part of that same chain of nature though. Like, I mean, the lion and all, you know, we are.

• 16:43Bill Maher?

  But do you eat meat? Is that part of your?

• 16:45Speaker 04

  No, I don't eat meat.

• 16:46Bill Maher?

  No, no meat.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  I eat fish.

• 16:48Bill Maher?

  Fish, okay.

• 16:50Speaker 04

  I eat fish and I eat chicken sometime. But, you know, me, I stopped eating meat a long time, meat, I don't know.

• 16:55Bill Maher?

  Okay, but I don't understand that distinction. Like, I know people say I'm a pescatorian, I just eat. I mean, if you're willing to kill a living creature who's living his best life. I don't, I don't know why you don't go all the way and eat whatever animal.

• 17:12Speaker 04

  It's not because I don't like, I don't, I'm not against people killing cows and eating cows. But it's just my digestive system, I don't need it. I don't need to put that, that type of meat inside of my system.

• 17:23Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 17:24Speaker 04

  From I stopped it, I stopped it when I was young. Like, and when I stopped it, it was like a philosophical, spiritual thing. But I just, I can't put it back into my system. Like, it just, I don't feel like, and what I've heard about meat, like eating meat, and how long it takes for digest and them type of thing there. I don't eat meat, so I don't eat it, not because of any kind of

• 17:46Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  great idea, no, I just.

• 17:48Bill Maher?

  So, but I'm so fascinated by this and your families and it's, I'm always happy to see any sort of cross-cultural marriage. My own life, my parents married in nineteen fifty-one, that is a long time ago, and my father Catholic, my mother Jewish, not really a practicing Jew, but Jewish, and like, good Catholic boys just did not marry Jewish girls in nineteen fifty-one. It was much more outrageous then than interracial marriages today. But I think, you know, this is old-school liberalism, not bullshit, that the more we mix,

• 18:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:27Bill Maher?

  the more we don't even know what we are, the better. You can't have prejudice if, you know, and this is a big theme in your music too, is a lot about the people and, you know, we're not just crayons in a box.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:41Bill Maher?

  I love that lyric, that song, that idea, we're not just crayons in a box.

• 18:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:47Bill Maher?

  And what's the next line?

• 18:49Speaker 04

  And we're not labels for the stock.

• 18:51Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:52Bill Maher?

  Great.

• 18:52Speaker 04

  We're not donkey and elephant.

• 18:54Bill Maher?

  We're not donkey and elephant.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:55Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  You know, we are the people. You know, I think a lot of this problem in our world we're solving if everybody just, you know, love who you love and.

• 19:07Bill Maher?

  And your Jewish relatives, they're cool with you?

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, even now, yeah, by now.

• 19:11Bill Maher?

  Always were?

• 19:14Speaker 04

  No, it was a strange, I'm a real strange being, not only am I not,

• 19:20Speaker 04

  not only was I not from here, I don't speak, you know, I'm like, I'm a

• 19:23Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  I'm a different type of.

• 19:25Bill Maher?

  It could be one thing if you married a Gentile, but who's this dude?

• 19:29Speaker 04

  This Jamaican.

• 19:30Bill Maher?

  Gentile, this is a lot, then somebody stopped past that.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  This is way past, this is way past that, this is all the left, left field.

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• 20:38Speaker 04

  Starting with skepticism and unsurety and, you know, every... Usually Jewish family want the wife to marry somebody who's Jewish and, you know, continue that's the whole thing.

• 20:49Bill Maher?

  Or...

• 20:50Speaker 04

  Continue the tribe.

• 20:51Bill Maher?

  Or, this is, I think even more common. The Jew marries the non-Jew and then one of them converts. Like lately, I think it's a lot more people becoming the Jew. You know, they're not Jewish, but the husband is Jewish and is like, "Okay, I'll be a Jew." As if it mattered. But like when my mother did it, she didn't become a Catholic. But she had to like pretend. They made her go to like Catholic, like...

• 21:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:24Bill Maher?

  And I remember she telling me the priest that did it was cool. Because he could have been an asshole about it. But he was like... Look, I know this is bullshit, you know this is bullshit.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 21:36Bill Maher?

  You know, we're gonna, I'm gonna tell you about Catholicism because that's how the kids are gonna be raised, so you'll be educated in it. But, like, you don't have to, like, pretend, okay? I get it, I'm in the church, believe me, I know this is bullshit. If anybody knows, it's me. A little more lotion on me, Billy. No, I kid the priests.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  No, no, but let me tell you, because the thing with me and my wife and her Jewish heritage is that I was already connected to it from my upbringing through Rastafarian. Because we, within the Old Testament, Solomon, David.

• 22:10Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Is the same, and I just last year, who is one of the man who, you know, in a day and a me said, that is God, he was a lineage from Solomon. So I was already, I feel like I was already.

• 22:21Bill Maher?

  Right. They are linked.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  Already, you know, so I was already there.

• 22:25Bill Maher?

  They are linked.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  So I never feel like I have to physically transform because my spirit, I was already spiritually who I am. My name is David. You know, my name is David because of that reason. My mother, parents named David, my father called me Ziggy. But we were always connected to the traditions. That's why we didn't eat pork. We follow all of the rules then. We're kosher, we follow all the kosher rules from growing up. And I didn't know what Jewish was, but these were, this is the way we were living anyway, without knowing what Jewish was.

• 22:52Bill Maher?

  Well, certainly your cooking must have been better.

• 22:56Bill Maher?

  Jewish cooking is famously not, you know.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  That's the European style, the Middle Eastern style, they can cook some food.

• 23:02Bill Maher?

  Yeah, maybe so. I mean, like, matzah.

• 23:04Speaker 04

  That's the European stuff.

• 23:05Bill Maher?

  And you know what matzah?

• 23:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 23:07Bill Maher?

  Flat, and tasteless, and, and the reason why was because they said, you know, the Jews were always so under attack. You know, they had to be ready to leave in a minute, so they couldn't even wait for the bread to rise.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Right, right, right.

• 23:21Bill Maher?

  It's like, whoa.

• 23:22Speaker 04

  Matzah.

• 23:23Bill Maher?

  And you other people are complaining? These, these poor motherfuckers couldn't even wait for the bread to rise.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, we can know why you gotta go.

• 23:30Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 23:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:32Bill Maher?

  But it is not known as, as like, the world's most delicious cuisine.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  No, not the European, but I'm telling you right now, because I.

• 23:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  I have experienced it, so I'm gonna tell you right now. The European side of things is different than the Middle Eastern side of things. You understand, the Middle Eastern food, yeah.

• 23:49Bill Maher?

  Well, that's, there's.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  And Persian, my wife is also Persian, too. So the Persian side.

• 23:55Bill Maher?

  Well, your wife is Persian.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  Mm, Persian Israeli.

• 23:57Bill Maher?

  Well, there's a Persian Jew in the Bible, Esther.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  That's her bloodline, that's where she's from.

• 24:03Bill Maher?

  And you know, the David bloodline goes to Jesus.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:07Bill Maher?

  So they say.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:08Bill Maher?

  But they do make a point in the New Testament of making that connection to people that the line of King David is, you know, begat, begat, begat, begat, begat, begat. Say hello to the Messiah.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:25Bill Maher?

  I'm summarizing the Bible, but I'm also not getting it wrong.

• 24:30Bill Maher?

  But yeah, you're right, all these cross-currents. I mean, Islam is an Abrahamic religion. In the Quran, Jesus is in the Quran. He's just not considered the final prophet.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  Right, right, right, yeah. It's all connected, man, but...

• 24:48Bill Maher?

  But is that all connected to Rasta?

• 24:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, well, we're all connected to it because, you know, we're...

• 24:57Speaker 04

  I guess we're all was searching for something, and, you know, something...

• 25:03Bill Maher?

  I hear that a lot.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  You know, I guess that's what it's about, you know? Like, the journey of life is exploring. Not just exploring physical, but exploring mental, spiritual too. There's exploratory, is there God, is there such a thing?

• 25:17Bill Maher?

  I'm not doing that much of that, I gotta tell you. But I'm, you know, maybe, I'm 70, but, you know, like, I feel like I know who I am. I know what I do. I wanna keep doing it, I like it, what I do. I like who I hang out with. I'm not sure I'm searching for anything except the next really good streaming series. I'm absolutely searching.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  But where does that come from? Like, for me, you said that...

• 25:42Bill Maher?

  Netflix.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  No, you said that, you know, but you said that creative energy that you have, that creativity, where does that come from? That creativity?

• 25:49Bill Maher?

  That's a...

• 25:51Speaker 04

  Tell me about that.

• 25:51Bill Maher?

  Deep question.

• 25:52Speaker 04

  Come, me, it's the same thing with me.

• 25:54Bill Maher?

  Deep question.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Where the shit does my... I was just telling somebody, I have no, like, sometime I don't...

• 25:58Bill Maher?

  Part of yours comes from DNA.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  From DNA.

• 26:00Bill Maher?

  And so does mine.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:01Bill Maher?

  I feel like... I had the perfect parents to be what I became. I mean, I became a comedian who, whose father is mostly all the news, but not just politics, but culture. I lived in a house where my father was funny and was in the news business.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:22Bill Maher?

  So plainly, that

• 26:25Speaker 04

  Somewhere that

• 26:26Bill Maher?

  comes through and the next generation,

• 26:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:29Bill Maher?

  you know, I mean, you certainly have, you know, done your father proud with the way you continued on with the, you know, again, the music, but like 2.0.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:41Bill Maher?

  It's great. I mean, I like your father's music too.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, no, no, yeah.

• 26:47Bill Maher?

  It lends itself really good to like putting it to a, you know, kind of a, not a electro beat, but you know, I mean, they

• 26:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, them can put, them can work.

• 26:57Bill Maher?

  They do it all.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  They can go and I

• 26:59Bill Maher?

  Work with it.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Can fit into anything.

• 27:01Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no, you really can. And, you know, and the stuff is so great and the message is always very positive and upbeat. I've never known a unhappy Jamaican. Maybe they, maybe they're not happy when they're away from me. I don't know, I'm gonna take credit. Maybe it's me when I'm around them. I don't think so. I think that, I don't know, where, where does that come?

• 27:22Speaker 04

  We're not sure.

• 27:23Bill Maher?

  Where does that come from, that like?

• 27:25Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 27:26Bill Maher?

  That, that innate happiness that everybody's trying to get.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  No, we're not sure tendencies happiness.

• 27:33Bill Maher?

  But why? Why? Is it, you think it has something to do with the religion?

• 27:37Speaker 04

  No, I think, I think it's just how we grew up in, within Jamaica that

• 27:44Speaker 04

  car, what, what brings you happiness? You know, may I say, it wasn't material thing. It wasn't the thing for money. It was going to the mango tree, picking the mango, you know, playing stone, playing, playing stone wire with your friends. It was, it was the simple things that make you happy and that is that, that's joyfulness.

• 28:00Bill Maher?

  Oh, the mango tree.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  The mango tree, however, and just playing on the streets and, you know, you never know anything better.

• 28:07Bill Maher?

  I love having a mango in my mouth.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:10Bill Maher?

  Wait.

• 28:12Bill Maher?

  Came out wrong.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  Jamaica, plenty of different mangoes. I was always, when I'm here, I say, man, nothing against the Mexican mango, but Mexican mango ain't got nothing on Jamaican mangoes. We need some Jamaican mangoes. I don't know if there's some kind of trade embargo or what, but we ain't get no Jamaican mangoes up here.

• 28:31Bill Maher?

  Maybe it's the horticulture because, you know, plantains and mangoes were just not part of my youth. There was not a Jersey thing.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  Where you got, where you grew up on?

• 28:42Bill Maher?

  New Jersey.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, but what kind of food you grew up on?

• 28:45Bill Maher?

  What kind of food? Meatloaf?

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Meatloaf. Meatloaf with a potato, right?

• 28:50Bill Maher?

  No, just meatloaf. No, there was a, I was a, I was a sickly kid a little bit.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:55Bill Maher?

  And so, like, if my mother found something I did like, um, she would, there was like a year I only ate meatloaf.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Stick with that.

• 29:03Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Stick with that. Stick, find what works.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:08Bill Maher?

  You know, that's the secret of life, finding what works. For me, it was meatloaf at age six or whatever. But, um, yeah, I'd catch butterflies, I'd kill them, and then I'd go out to meatloaf. I mean, that was my life.

• 29:21Bill Maher?

  But, you know, it was normal. I mean, first of all, it was, the food wasn't processed.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:28Bill Maher?

  That's the key.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Different, yeah.

• 29:30Bill Maher?

  It wasn't whether it was vegetarian or meat. It was that it wasn't poisoned.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 29:36Bill Maher?

  By the man!

• 29:37Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 29:39Bill Maher?

  Am I right about the man?

• 29:40Speaker 04

  That is true, that's true.

• 29:41Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  That is so true.

• 29:42Bill Maher?

  I know about the man.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 29:45Bill Maher?

  Fuck him. Don't fuck that man up, man.

• 29:47Speaker 04

  The system. Man, we call it the system, you know?

• 29:51Bill Maher?

  The system.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, they.

• 29:53Bill Maher?

  That's right. Against the people.

• 29:57Speaker 04

  I was looking around here, you know, because I'm here and I was wondering, because I have questions too.

• 30:02Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  You know, like, what, club random, where did I come from? Where did?

• 30:06Bill Maher?

  Look who I'm talking to.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  Just?

• 30:08Bill Maher?

  It's so random.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  Random, okay, I got you.

• 30:10Bill Maher?

  It's like last week it was Sam Harris, this week it's you. You know, next week it's the ghost of Elvis. I mean, you just never know who's gonna be here.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:18Bill Maher?

  And, uh, that's what I love about it. You know? I mean, I love, I get to sit here and, I mean, would we be doing this if it wasn't a podcast? Probably not.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, no.

• 30:29Bill Maher?

  And yet, I'm enjoying myself so much.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  The freedom that, that's the freedom of getting outside of the system, right? The man.

• 30:38Bill Maher?

  So just getting to know somebody like for real.

• 30:41Speaker 04

  Different, yeah.

• 30:42Bill Maher?

  You know, there's almost no greater pleasure in in life. Maybe sexy time, yes, of course, nothing can really compete with that. But but next to that, you know, there's nothing like just actual communication. Like, like, oh, I like this guy, I always like this guy. Who is this guy? Like, you know, just I could go to get in just, you know, an hour or two, you can go so deep. You know, there are people who I've known for forty years who I don't really know. Because they just never go to that level.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  True, true, true.

• 31:12Bill Maher?

  And there are people who I feel like I know after an hour.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:15Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 31:16Speaker 04

  No, I understand that.

• 31:17Bill Maher?

  It's about how much you're willing to like let somebody in, how secure or insecure you are. Because insecure people can't be honest.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:25Bill Maher?

  They're always like playing defense.

• 31:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:27Bill Maher?

  They're always fronting and pretending that it's like, you know what? I just whatever, I'm you're not fooling me anyway. And so it's just boring.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:38Bill Maher?

  But like somebody like you who's real, you know, it's just it's always so. So I try to have people here who are only real.

• 31:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:46Bill Maher?

  You can't always win that battle, but you know.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  That's true, but in you know, for me, like, I was always a shy person still. So I feel like some people sometimes mistake that, you know? And think I'm like standoffish or whatever, but I've always been shy. But I'm I'm coming out of that a little bit now, I think. Like even talking to you here is a little bit of me coming because we're just talking. This is not an interview with a like, we're just talking.

• 32:12Bill Maher?

  Correct about that.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  You don't mess it.

• 32:15Bill Maher?

  No one could ever accuse this of being overproduced.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  No, so.

• 32:19Bill Maher?

  Or produced in any way. And that's the way I like it.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:23Bill Maher?

  But like, see, a lot of people would say when you go, I'm shy. Because I'm I was the same way, painfully shy as a kid, especially in an adolescent. Just when you really need not to be shy to talk to girls, you you are.

• 32:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:37Bill Maher?

  It was horrible. But they they hear you say that and go, what are you talking about? You guys, you get it on stage in front of thousands of people. How can you be shy? And they don't realize that it's a whole different thing. You can be shy in front of two people.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:52Bill Maher?

  And not shy in front of ten thousand. Because it's an audience, it's not a person.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Right, right, right, right. It's a different experience that.

• 33:00Bill Maher?

  Not that we don't love them individually, but they're not an individual in that thing. And they're not also in control.

• 33:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:06Bill Maher?

  And they're not talking back.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:07Bill Maher?

  Well, sometimes they are.

• 33:10Bill Maher?

  But in general, you're, it's a different relation. It's just a different kind of relation.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  It is, it is.

• 33:16Bill Maher?

  I'm doing something for you and you want me to do it for you. So we have this wonderful sort of symbiotic relationship. You want me to do the thing I do well, and I want to do it for you, to give you that gift.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  Because I remember I did something for my kids' school. When them have like a fundraising thing, you know? And them ask them to perform. So I usually, I carry my kids go to school or whatever, and I did a show. And this teacher was like, she couldn't believe it's the same person. Because when I carry my kids to school, I'm like. But when I'm on stage, it's a different thing, it's a different energy, you know? So that's true about, yeah.

• 33:52Bill Maher?

  Right. What did they expect you to walk into the school with the kid and burst into? Song? No. Yeah.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  It's funny to, because I always want, you know, because my father, right? Talking about my father, because there's this image of my father out there, you know, the world. You know, with the girls and just Bob Marley, you know, like. And when I was growing up, after Impasse, I was growing up, and I was shy and like. I didn't see my father as a shy person. Like, in, in, in, after Impasse, like, what my, my, my mindset was about him. But then, one of his oldest friends, Neville, who was, you know, who was around him. Like, one day, he said to me, one day we were talking, and he must say. You know, people think Bob was like a girls' man who like chased girls. And I'm saying, no, my father was a shy man.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  It kind of made me kind of.

• 34:49Bill Maher?

  To be, to be fair. When you're Bob Marley, especially in Jamaica, you can be a shy man.

• 34:58Bill Maher?

  The girls will still chase you.

• 35:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:01Bill Maher?

  Okay. You don't need, you don't need to be an unshy man. When you are the biggest badass on the block. I mean, that's.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 35:09Bill Maher?

  We were talking about human nature before.

• 35:10Speaker 04

  That's true, that's true.

• 35:11Bill Maher?

  It is human nature for the female to want to get with the alpha male.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 35:17Bill Maher?

  So I'm saying, I don't know.

• 35:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true. That's true.

• 35:22Bill Maher?

  I don't know anything.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  That's true. That's true. That's true.

• 35:24Bill Maher?

  I mean, but I'm guessing, you know, there are certain people, you know, men are always looking for an opening line.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. That's true.

• 35:32Bill Maher?

  Corny ones, you know. But did it hurt when you dropped from heaven? You know, that kind of bullshit. Your father's opening line was, hi.

• 35:42Bill Maher?

  Thank you very much.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:45Bill Maher?

  So kind of you to say those compliments to me. That was his opening line. Okay, it's a little different.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  I get you. I get you.

• 35:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  But no, it kind of made me understand some of my traits. And why I am the way I am too, you know, by understanding some of his traits in that way. So, yeah, you know.

• 36:04Bill Maher?

  Like what? Like, see, for me, I got through my father. Funny. Politics. I came right through. You think the same with your father?

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  But if it's like. I think I would take it to another level. Because he was much more like open than I am and I was. And that was one of the problem too. Because him letting everything and everyone, you know? And it wasn't always good. It wasn't always good to be that open. And it costs you to be that open too.

• 36:39Bill Maher?

  What do you mean open about what?

• 36:41Speaker 04

  Just people, just anybody, whatever, whatever, just open. You know what I mean? Just like.

• 36:47Bill Maher?

  You mean his life was too public?

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, public, not in the sense of what we think about, no, like, like press and not like that way, but.

• 36:57Bill Maher?

  But the, like, the people.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, the people.

• 37:00Bill Maher?

  The whole island thought they knew him and owned him. He was, he was bigger than just his family. He had to be. He was, he was.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  And then, you know, where your inner circle. You know, who is in your inner circle? Do you? You know, I feel like if he didn't have the ability to say.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  I don't want you in my inner circle, but he was too compassionate. Because he was, you know, he was, he was too, it's too much. So we, the thing I learned from that really, someone like, I don't really have friends. I don't really deal with friends in terms of that.

• 37:34Bill Maher?

  You don't have an entourage?

• 37:35Speaker 04

  No, I don't have an entourage.

• 37:37Bill Maher?

  I do. I have a fucking awesome entourage. Red and Sonny West.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:42Bill Maher?

  Joe Esposito, Jelly.

• 37:44Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 37:45Bill Maher?

  Uh, and whoever that guy Eddie Murphy is.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  Which, who that, who that?

• 37:50Bill Maher?

  I, whenever they die, I hire their bodyguard. That's my thing. It gotta be the best.

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• 39:25Bill Maher?

  You know, get me Elvises, guys.

• 39:27Speaker 04

  I'm a loner. I've always been a loner, though. I've always been a loner.

• 39:31Bill Maher?

  I say that about myself. You're married. How can you be a loner if you're married? I'm not married, and I've never been married. That's a loner.

• 39:39Speaker 04

  I can be a loner when I'm married, too.

• 39:43Bill Maher?

  Your wife didn't want to hear that. Especially a Jewish.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  She knows. She knows.

• 39:47Bill Maher?

  Really? So she's cool. She knows when you need to be a loner.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, man. She know, man. She know.

• 39:52Bill Maher?

  That's the best kind of woman.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, man. That's why it works.

• 39:54Bill Maher?

  That's why it works. No, I know. I feel the same way.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, you have to have that. But sometime, as a man, you also have to make sure that. Because you can't sacrifice that for everything. You know, you need that. I need that.

• 40:10Bill Maher?

  Need what?

• 40:11Speaker 04

  That time, my...

• 40:13Bill Maher?

  Yes, of course.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  You understand? So, as a man, you also have to make sure you get that.

• 40:18Bill Maher?

  Well, you know what it is?

• 40:21Bill Maher?

  Look, you're a charming guy. I'm a charming guy.

• 40:26Bill Maher?

  No one has enough charm to be charming

• 40:31Bill Maher?

  that much of the time. You know what I'm saying? I can be so fucking charming, not 24/7,

• 40:40Bill Maher?

  every week, every month. Can I get a week off for me charming?

• 40:45Bill Maher?

  It's like when I get up in the morning. I'm not in a bad mood.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 40:49Bill Maher?

  I'm just not in the mood to talk to you.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  I got you. I got you.

• 40:52Bill Maher?

  People are, "Oh, you're gr-" I'm not grouchy. Only grouchy because you're trying to talk to me. I'm having a great time in my head. Because it's morning time, my morning, noon. And just, you know, I'll talk to you later in the day.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  No, we understand that. It's that reality. That's reality. You have to find a woman who can deal with that. You know what I'm saying?

• 41:14Bill Maher?

  It's so about acceptance.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  And it's a balance, too. It's a balance. Because you still have a balance. What a woman needs also. You know, it's compromising, too. Your own selfish thing sometimes. You got that. You got to give a little bit and take a little bit, you know? That's how I am. That's how I stay. But, you know, every time, sometimes I say, "All right, I'm on a union break. I'm taking a union break."

• 41:42Speaker 04

  And then I should laugh, and the kids laugh. "I'm on a union break, guys."

• 41:46Bill Maher?

  Well, I stayed unmarried for one reason. No woman, no cry. No, I'm kidding.

• 41:55Bill Maher?

  No, I mean, you know, we-

• 41:57Speaker 04

  But marriage, listen, it's not about marriage, it's about love. So I don't see myself, I'm married to my wife out of love, not out of- The thing of marriage is really a spiritual thing between you and the woman. You don't have to be married in society to have love with a woman or, I don't know, how many women, I don't know, whatever.

• 42:17Bill Maher?

  Or a man.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Or a man. So it's like-

• 42:21Bill Maher?

  Or a zoo animal.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. The marriage, the marriage thing is not, is not the idea I stick to. I stick to that love thing because I could have, I could have been with my wife and not married and still love her the same way. Or we're married and we love the same way. Like, the marriage is like a, is the icing, if you want to put icing on the cake. But the cake is still good without icing. You know what I'm saying?

• 42:44Bill Maher?

  The cake is still good, but with a Jewish woman, I would put a ring on it. I'm just saying.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  No, you have to. You have to.

• 42:50Bill Maher?

  Now you're talking to people I know, okay?

• 42:53Speaker 04

  You have to.

• 42:54Bill Maher?

  Okay, I know Jewish girls from New Jersey.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  But you want to put a ring on it too though, bro. You got, you want to put a ring on that too.

• 43:01Bill Maher?

  I know, I mean-

• 43:02Speaker 04

  You want to put a ring on it.

• 43:03Bill Maher?

  Rings, this is a, this is a health ring. I'm not married. This is a, you have one of these rings?

• 43:11Speaker 04

  No, I'm not having one of them.

• 43:12Bill Maher?

  You know what that is?

• 43:14Speaker 04

  It's some kind of ring you want to measure your thing on, la, la, la, la, la.

• 43:18Bill Maher?

  It does, it does. It measures all your, you know, I mean, I think mine was reprogrammed by EI, I mean, AI.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  What does it do? What does it do?

• 43:30Bill Maher?

  Mine tells me my dick is amazing. I don't, I don't know what the other ones do, but it just says-

• 43:36Speaker 04

  You programmed that yourself.

• 43:37Bill Maher?

  My erections are through the roof. Now maybe, maybe it's the way I programmed it, I don't know.

• 43:45Speaker 04

  No, my, so I don't have jewelry really, so I'm-

• 43:48Bill Maher?

  What's that?

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Every, but here, here, why, I mean, this is-

• 43:51Bill Maher?

  That must be a lion.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is a lion. It's symbolic, it's symbolic. This is my wedding ring, but that's my wife.

• 43:59Speaker 04

  To our, if I wear my red and ring, it's not, it's, it, it just, it have more meaning than just what society want it mean. So I had her put Hebrew inside of the ring. With like, with like the name of God and stuff like that. So when I put it on, there's a symbolism to it that is, that is spiritual and goes beyond a paperwork thing, you know what I'm saying? So, that's all, yeah, so.

• 44:26Bill Maher?

  But the lion. Let me, are there lions in Jamaica? Ethiopia?

• 44:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, Ethiopia, no lion are there. Although, we call ourselves lions. You know, we have a handshake in Jamaica, we don't, we have a hand style in Jamaica called a lion paw handshake.

• 44:42Bill Maher?

  People still get the connection wrong, don't they, between Jamaica and Ethiopia?

• 44:50Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 44:51Bill Maher?

  Well, do we really understa- does the public really understand that connection with Haile?

• 44:57Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, they don't.

• 44:58Bill Maher?

  Well, tell, tell us.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  A lot of people think.

• 45:00Bill Maher?

  Haile Selassie.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  Funny, a lot of people think the Ethiopian flag is Jamaican because they don't understand that. They see the red, gold, and green and say, is it Jamaican? Our flag is green, black, and yellow. But because they associate Rastafarian, that color with Jamaica from, you know, my father and those people.

• 45:15Bill Maher?

  But isn't there a connection with Haile Selassie in Ethiopia?

• 45:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it's from the, the, the faith of Rastafari.

• 45:22Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  No, the whole story, according to what I understand was that,

• 45:28Speaker 04

  again, we're the, the Rast- the people in Jamaica who took on the faith of Rastafari, you know, them believing in the Bible and the prophecies of the Bible. And so there's a part of the Bible that tell you the prophecy of the coming of Haile Selassie. The kings have kings, the laws have laws, they conquer. He has all the titles that is written in the Bible.

• 45:46Bill Maher?

  Including lion.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, and so that was, that was the beginning of that connection. And then there was also a rebellious nature about. Coming out of independence from England, out of slavery, out of the white Jesus imagery, to find a black representation of God. That is not the white Jesus that came from slavery and colonization. So that was the edge that Rasta had, that rebellious nature. And then the locks come from the Old Testament, the vow of the Nazarene, which also in the New Testament, Jesus was a Nazarene.

• 46:24Bill Maher?

  Yeah, he was Jesus of Nazareth.

• 46:26Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 46:27Bill Maher?

  He was not born in Bethlehem.

• 46:28Speaker 04

  Right, and John was also. So you kept here unkempt. You don't cut your hair, you don't drink no alcohol, all of these type of traditions. So that's a lot of connection there. And then with Ethiopia,

• 46:42Speaker 04

  Ethiopia connection is through the line of Solomon and Queen Sheba.

• 46:46Bill Maher?

  Right, Queen Sheba.

• 46:47Speaker 04

  Right, who was the queen of Ethiopia. She went to the land of Israel at the time, the Hebrew land, and she and Solomon had a child. She had a child in Ethiopia, Menelaic. And then that's where the lineage and the connection started with the Hebrew side of things, you know. So, yeah, the connection that really...

• 47:08Bill Maher?

  The Bible would say Solomon knew her.

• 47:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know the story of how he got, how so was he got her?

• 47:17Bill Maher?

  Tell me.

• 47:18Speaker 04

  So, all right, so the story is she went into the palace or whatever, you know, bedtime. And she never want to get to Solomon, but Solomon said to her, listen, all right, you don't want to, but listen, if you touch anything of value of mine, then we got to get together. Don't touch any of my valuables.

• 47:40Bill Maher?

  By the way, Drake says the same thing.

• 47:43Bill Maher?

  If you touch anything valuable of mine.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  So when Solomon prepared the dinner, Solomon, this is the story. Solomon told the chef, put a little extra salt. Put a little extra salt in the meal. You know, you don't trust the restaurants, right?

• 48:00Speaker 04

  This is a perfect example why.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Put in a little extra salt. So after they had dinner and thing, Queen Shiva went to the bed and thing and in the night she got really thirsty, you know. So she was looking for some water. So she said, I think of water and she's, oh, here, let me drink some water. And Solomon was like, aha. I tell you, if you touch anything of mine, you have mine. And she was like, that's just water. And he's like, that's the most valuable thing.

• 48:33Bill Maher?

  In the desert, yeah.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  And that's, and they had a baby.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  That's the story. The most valuable thing was the water, not the fancy gold, not whatever, a lot jewelry or nothing.

• 48:45Bill Maher?

  But and Solomon is the son of David?

• 48:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:48Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 48:49Bill Maher?

  So it's David and then Solomon. And Solomon, of course, we know, I mean, if people know anything about him, wise. Because he's the one who.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  The baby.

• 48:57Bill Maher?

  The baby.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:58Bill Maher?

  The story of the baby.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:00Bill Maher?

  And what the, tell the story of the baby.

• 49:01Speaker 04

  Splitting the baby.

• 49:02Bill Maher?

  Splitting the baby.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Those two people, two women were saying, um, it's the same, this is my baby.

• 49:08Bill Maher?

  Two women were both claiming that this baby was there.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  I'm gonna cut the baby in two and give. And the real mother was like, no, no, give it to her, give it to her.

• 49:17Bill Maher?

  Because that's what the real mother would do.

• 49:20Speaker 04

  And that was the wisdom of Solomon right there.

• 49:22Bill Maher?

  Right. That's the movie Sophie's Choice.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  Sophie's Choice, dad.

• 49:25Bill Maher?

  You know the movie?

• 49:26Speaker 04

  I've heard of the movie, never seen it.

• 49:27Bill Maher?

  Meryl Streep. Well.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  Is that what it's, is that what it's like?

• 49:31Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's, she basically, it's too sad. I don't want to go into it, it's very sad, but you know, it's a kind of a Holocaust story with the baby. And it's, it's, it's similar.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 49:42Bill Maher?

  You know, she has to make a terrible choice. Terrible choice about the baby. I mean, you know. Among the horrible things that humans do is force unbelievably horrible choices on other, another human.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, leadership, and I'm gonna feel like the world, the human, like, there's, we have a leadership issue. I think the human race have the possibility for we are to do good, to be good, to be better. But the top, there's something going on at the top, I don't know.

• 50:12Bill Maher?

  But who puts the people at the top? That's the question. It's like, how do people get to that place? Because it must in some way, either it's by election or just by acquiescence. Everybody else, all of us, taking a little responsibility and saying, well, you know, somebody else could be at the top, but that's who came from us, who either fooled us.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 50:40Bill Maher?

  Or in some way, actually engaged us in wanting that person at the top. I mean, it's so easy to yell at politicians, and I agree. They deserve to be yelled at, you're right. I mean, you know, when I hear you yelling at them, it's like, it's a very satisfying feeling in the song. But like, the deeper issue is, how did they get there?

• 51:00Speaker 04

  True, true.

• 51:01Bill Maher?

  You know, Hitler got elected. He was elected. People don't remember that.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  You know, true.

• 51:07Bill Maher?

  And I don't know, I mean, Jesus was put on trial.

• 51:15Bill Maher?

  When they brought him in to, you know, to punch his pilot.

• 51:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:20Bill Maher?

  There was, it was the time of year, it was this time of year, actually. When traditionally, the Romans would release one prisoner. So they had this other prisoner, Barabbas.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:35Bill Maher?

  Why are you laughing?

• 51:35Speaker 04

  I know the story, I know the story.

• 51:37Bill Maher?

  It's a great story, and it's a great name, by the way. I use it when I check into a hotel.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  Barabbas?

• 51:44Bill Maher?

  Billy Barabbas.

• 51:47Bill Maher?

  See if they're on their toes.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  That's a good one, that's a good one.

• 51:50Bill Maher?

  So you know the story of Barabbas?

• 51:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know the story.

• 51:52Bill Maher?

  What is it? Tell me, tell me.

• 51:53Speaker 04

  When they say which who they want to release, and the people say Barabbas. Because, yeah, why they check Barabbas? And this is the trick.

• 52:01Bill Maher?

  Well, who was Barabbas?

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Barabbas was like a, he's like a gangster, like a people guy, you know.

• 52:06Bill Maher?

  Like a what?

• 52:07Speaker 04

  A people, like one of the, like a Don, like a Don. You know, you know, a Don for the people.

• 52:14Bill Maher?

  He was like a low-life thief.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, but for the people, it's like, he's one of the low, their low life, where he's one of us.

• 52:21Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I can see, I can see that.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  Like, they know Barabbas personally.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  You know, it's like, yeah, let Barabbas go.

• 52:28Bill Maher?

  Cause he robbed them. That's why they know him personally.

• 52:33Speaker 04

  Them still choose him, you know? But no, you're right, but the people chose.

• 52:37Bill Maher?

  But wait, wait. We gotta go back to why this is relevant. So Barabbas, so it's Easter time.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:45Bill Maher?

  So Pontius Pilate says, okay, you know what? Because we're good people. I mean, you've heard a lot of things about the Romans. We're this, we're that, we kill everybody, we conquer. Okay, sure, like, you're perfect. But every year at Easter time, here's what we do. We let one prisoner go.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:05Bill Maher?

  And we make this into a game show. We let the people decide.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:10Bill Maher?

  So they had Jesus and they had Barabbas.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:14Bill Maher?

  And they gave the people the choice. Who would you like to let go? Son of God. This perfect.

• 53:22Speaker 04

  This man, this crazy guy who said he's the son of God.

• 53:25Bill Maher?

  Perfect light.

• 53:26Speaker 04

  This mentally ill guy, that's what I said. You know, this crazy guy, he said he's the son of God.

• 53:30Bill Maher?

  Or, you know.

• 53:34Bill Maher?

  Sonny, Sonny Liston in 1965. You know, just, you know, and the people pick Barabbas.

• 53:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:42Bill Maher?

  I just think of that every year when I lose the Emmy.

• 53:46Bill Maher?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 53:47Speaker 04

  No, but no, I still.

• 53:49Bill Maher?

  People are not great at choosing. They're just not.

• 53:55Bill Maher?

  You know? But if they hadn't chosen Barabbas, then Jesus wouldn't have been crucified. And then what would we be wearing around our necks?

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Right, right, well.

• 54:04Bill Maher?

  You know, what kind of bling could you have? Not a cross.

• 54:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, we still, but we still need our, our message. We have to do something. We cannot, we cannot sit back and accept that.

• 54:15Bill Maher?

  Accept what?

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Accept that, oh, the people make bad choices, so that's the way it is, you know, that's.

• 54:19Bill Maher?

  No, not the way it is, but, but the people have to, it has to start with the people.

• 54:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:24Bill Maher?

  You know, both positively and negatively. People have to take responsibility. You know, you have a bill of rights, we have rights, we also have responsibilities.

• 54:34Speaker 04

  True, true.

• 54:35Bill Maher?

  I mean, people are not educated on what the fucks up, basically, if I may use a technical term. They don't know what the fucks up. So, you know, I can, I have limited sympathy when they make stupid choices. Because they didn't do the hard work of educating themselves, or, or getting involved.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:56Bill Maher?

  I mean, I hear all the time, people come up to me, usually people in fancy restaurants who are doing very well, are enjoying all the privileges of the life. They hate privilege, but their, the life is just nothing but fucking privilege, okay? Bill, what are we gonna do? And like, you know what? You know what they do in other countries? If they really think things are this bad, they go on strike. They have a national strike.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  They sacrifice.

• 55:24Bill Maher?

  They sacrifice.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  That's, we, yeah.

• 55:27Bill Maher?

  Stop ordering from Amazon.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, they sacrifice.

• 55:29Bill Maher?

  You really hate what's going on with the environment so much? And yet, every meal is delivered from Grubhub.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  They sacrifice.

• 55:35Bill Maher?

  An environmental disaster, you're into crypto, an environmental disaster. Uh, you know, it just, they, I don't see, I see a lot of talk. I don't see a lot of action.

• 55:50Speaker 04

  No sacrifice.

• 55:51Bill Maher?

  No sacrifice.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  We have to sacrifice. And I mean, leadership can come from, can come from within the people to, in terms of, start at that level, let's, let's take the leadership at that level instead of like, you don't have to be the, the biggest president or the biggest whatever, but the leadership can come from the community level too, and start it that way there. That's the only way. I feel I can get, get, and the music is a part of that too, that's why, you know, the whole, the whole pop culture, you're a part of that, we're all a part of that, because we still have to push out that energy out there for people. You know, we still have to do that, we're all a part of that, you know, we have, we have to fight them too. We have to, just like they putting out, just like they doing their thing, they're doing their,

• 56:34Speaker 04

  whatever they're doing for them, we have to, we have to punch back as hard with all that stuff, with what we doing, you know, we have influence too, we can, you know?

• 56:43Bill Maher?

  When they go low, we go lower.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, bro, we go lower and smarter too, yeah.

• 56:50Bill Maher?

  God's not looking, he was called away from his desk.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:56Bill Maher?

  I just, okay.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  No, man.

• 56:58Bill Maher?

  I just, you know, I know it's sacred.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  You see, yeah.

• 57:02Bill Maher?

  Sacred to me.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I'm true to myself, I know.

• 57:04Bill Maher?

  I know, you know.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  I have a song called "True to Myself", so I have to live up to that song. No, man, yeah, I don't.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  You know, I'm gonna try, like, yeah, you know. I remember one time I was in Holland.

• 57:18Bill Maher?

  Ah.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  On a radio show, and they would be like.

• 57:20Bill Maher?

  Love Holland.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  You're like, hey, you know, I'm a smoker, and they tell me, say, you know, I don't, I don't smoke on demand, you know, I don't, I don't do that, I'm not like that, I'm not, yeah.

• 57:30Bill Maher?

  But that must be very disappointing to people.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is, it is.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  It is, because the more that, the more that imagery, the more that thing, you know, but.

• 57:40Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's like the Pope coming out and then be like, "Put the cross away." It's just, it's just not what I am all about, okay? I mean, I don't, you've read about me.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  That is so true.

• 57:50Bill Maher?

  The Pope.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  That is true.

• 57:52Bill Maher?

  You know, Catholic, this whole thing. Yes, I am, but I didn't have to fucking see it all the time, all right? We get it, he died on the cross.

• 58:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the truth.

• 58:02Bill Maher?

  But is Jesus part of Rastan? Is he, is he one of them?

• 58:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, yes, you are, yes, you are.

• 58:07Bill Maher?

  Yes, you are, yes.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  We're not counting Jesus.

• 58:08Bill Maher?

  Right, the Jewish, that's the Jewish name for it.

• 58:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, that's his name, that's the right name.

• 58:12Bill Maher?

  Well, he, no, very few people were more Jewish than Jesus.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's his, his name is yes, you are, his name is not Jesus.

• 58:18Bill Maher?

  I mean, for the first hundred years of Christianity, it was really just a, a offshoot of Judaism.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:25Bill Maher?

  You know, Jesus is a very big character in Judaism. I mean, he, he was born in a Jewish man, in a Jewish, you know, it's amazing how many kids are dumb enough not to understand this, like, Jesus, Jewish, oh, you can.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  He's Christian.

• 58:42Bill Maher?

  It's so stu-, exactly, I mean, this is how bad the schools are, that they don't teach this basic idea. Yes, there could not have been any Christianity if he wasn't a Jew first, it was a Jew. But I'm telling you, for the, like, the first hundred years, you know. There were no Christians, they were like Christian Jews. There were people who, who, these crazy people who thought, oh, this is the Messiah.

• 59:05Speaker 04

  Right, this is, right.

• 59:06Bill Maher?

  Whereas the old guard was like, no, this isn't the Messiah.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 59:10Bill Maher?

  We're still waiting.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  Right, right, right.

• 59:12Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, I never understood what that personality schism was all about. But it's interesting to me that some people were all about, no, no, no, no. We, we still need to wait. And some people were like, no, this is it.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:27Bill Maher?

  This is the guy.

• 59:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:29Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's just, I, I feel like it's not really about whether he is the guy or not. It's more about your personality and the way you see the world. And some people like to keep waiting and some people like to keep things as they are.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:43Bill Maher?

  And some people are like, no, this is the new thing.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:46Bill Maher?

  This is great. He is the Messiah. Come on, get on board.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  But, and then they miss the teaching. And then they miss the, the lifestyle. Them take, them, them, them take that and put that up as the thing. Like, oh, he's the Messiah, he's, he's Jesus, and I believe in Christianity. But the, how you live in your life, his example, you're not, you're not living his example.

• 1:00:07Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  And then, but you only live in that, you know, we're in the cross, but not living the example of Christ. So it's, yeah, it's, yeah.

• 1:00:14Bill Maher?

  Very few people.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Bill Maher?

  Who, who count themselves as Christian have any idea what the example is.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Bill Maher?

  Or if they do know, which is probably worse, they ignore it.

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  They ignore it.

• 1:00:28Bill Maher?

  They ignore it. They just, it's just, it's too hard to live up to.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  It is, yeah.

• 1:00:33Bill Maher?

  Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek. These are just not, and people just will tie themselves in intellectual knots to find their way back to some justification.

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:45Bill Maher?

  Where they can say, like, fucking the poor, it's what Jesus would have wanted.

• 1:00:52Bill Maher?

  What Bible are you reading?

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Bill Maher?

  It's just crazy. You know, he was such a hippie. And the Republicans love him.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  Well, sometimes I don't understand how they miss. I like, how they, how, as you say, people, like, it's so easy for, like, fool people. Fool the masses, it's like, I see clearly and I'm like, how come nobody is not seeing what, like, the clarity that I'm seeing? What's going on? Like, we're, it's really interesting to me now. I'm looking at that whole Christian thing.

• 1:01:25Bill Maher?

  That's what makes it a great thing to write about.

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:27Bill Maher?

  Right?

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Bill Maher?

  I mean, don't you get your inspiration to write a song? I mean, there's always like a, a, a meaning behind it. You know, it's very, I mean, I mean, your culture has the reputation of, you know, just, you know, don't worry, be happy. But there's a lot of deep shit, you know, in you and your father's stuff, you know? I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's not just,

• 1:01:55Speaker 04

  True.

• 1:01:55Bill Maher?

  You know, it, it is true. It's, it's not just the, the surface of life.

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  True, true.

• 1:01:59Bill Maher?

  I mean, it, it, I mean, it is, it, there is a happiness there. I don't, I never, every, I'm telling you, every Jamaican I've ever known was, was like their default setting.

• 1:02:11Speaker 04

  Right, that's true.

• 1:02:13Bill Maher?

  Was happy and smiling, and I don't know where that comes from.

• 1:02:16Speaker 04

  You may have heard, but I don't know.

• 1:02:18Bill Maher?

  You think it's the herb?

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  Jimmy.

• 1:02:24Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's made me happy for fifty years, you know? Fifty years and still not addicted. Isn't that awesome?

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  No, but you have control of yourself, but that's my thing with me, like, it's not, I'm not a control freak, but I must can't control myself. And not let others or anything else control me. Or tell me when or what we need to do. That's a part of my attitude.

• 1:02:51Bill Maher?

  Who, who are you threatened will control you?

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  Anything, herb, like.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Watching, watching the news, watching a movie.

• 1:03:05Speaker 04

  If your mind is not strong enough, these things can influence you. Listening to a song, something negative, these things can go in your brain and over and over again, eventually it influence your mind. It's a humanity in me, love for all humanity, man. I'm not, I'm not partial, I'm not partial.

• 1:03:24Bill Maher?

  It shined through everything you ever recorded. You know, either you're the greatest actor in the world.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  No, I'm not.

• 1:03:32Bill Maher?

  Which I don't think, that's it. Or that's who you are, and I think that's who you are.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, I know, I read your thing, man.

• 1:03:39Bill Maher?

  No, I know you are.

• 1:03:40Speaker 04

  I read mine, not your one, I don't know.

• 1:03:42Bill Maher?

  No, I get it.

• 1:03:43Speaker 04

  Yes, man.

• 1:03:44Bill Maher?

  And it's, and it's great, you know? I mean, like, there's two times in a day, I feel, where you really need and want, dare I say deserve, because I'm Gen Z, positivity. One is when you wake up, and one is before you go to bed. Like, before I go to bed, I know this is bad because it's light. True, I get it, not good, but I watch TV.

• 1:04:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:15Bill Maher?

  That's, that's like.

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  You have to watch TV.

• 1:04:17Bill Maher?

  It's sacred to me, like, just like Rasta is to you. This is, you want to sacred for an atheist who never got married. It's watching TV before you go to bed. And not on my phone or the iPad, like on a big ass screen, okay? Like I'm at the fucking cineplex, all right? Assholes, watching on your phone.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, you would, yeah.

• 1:04:40Bill Maher?

  And, and, you know, before I go to bed, I want to, I want to watch TV, but there are some things I don't want to see. You know, I mean, I, I started watching a series last night, which I do want to watch. It's with Nicole Kidman.

• 1:04:57Bill Maher?

  And, you know, I mean, I was reading the review and my girl said to me, why are you, are you going to watch that? I said, yeah. He said, "Why?" I said, "Because I trust her." Which is the highest compliment I could give to someone in show business. "I trust you." You have, you have, every time I watch something that you're in, it's, it's almost always good.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:05:20Bill Maher?

  You pick good projects. You're always good in them. But it's about a fucking, you know, serial killer doctor. I don't wanna, you know, it's like, before I go to bed, I do not wanna see autopsy scene where the mangled body of the sexually abused victim.

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:41Bill Maher?

  Okay, you know, and also when I wake up.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Bill Maher?

  You know, I, I have a, a, a special playlist for, just for waking up. And it's almost all songs with the word "beautiful" in the title. You know the Ray Stevens song, "Everything is Beautiful"? That'd be a great one to do, Rick.

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Bill Maher?

  That would be great.

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 1:06:01Bill Maher?

  You know the song?

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  I'll check it out.

• 1:06:02Bill Maher?

  "Everything is beautiful..."

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:05Bill Maher?

  "...in its own way." Yes, with the, there's a child chorus on it.

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  I'll check it out.

• 1:06:13Bill Maher?

  You should.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, man.

• 1:06:14Bill Maher?

  I'm telling you, that'd be, yeah, man. No, I mean it, yeah, man.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, man.

• 1:06:19Bill Maher?

  Don't yeah, don't.

• 1:06:20Speaker 04

  No, man, no, man.

• 1:06:21Bill Maher?

  Don't yeah, man, me.

• 1:06:22Speaker 04

  No, man, yeah, man, yeah, yeah, man, me, yeah, man.

• 1:06:23Bill Maher?

  Don't yeah, man, me unless you mean it.

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  Yo, no, every, no, I'm taking in everything, bro.

• 1:06:27Bill Maher?

  "Everything is beautiful..." "...in its own way." "Like the starry summer night..." "...a snow-covered winter's day." "Everyone is beautiful..."

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44Bill Maher?

  "...in their own way."

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  That's just true.

• 1:06:46Bill Maher?

  It's so you.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:06:47Bill Maher?

  You don't be, don't be too good to do a cover.

• 1:06:50Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:06:50Bill Maher?

  You don't need them, but you know, a lot of great people have done covers. There's no shame in doing a cover.

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  No, man, I'm not ashamed of doing a cover.

• 1:06:58Bill Maher?

  Have you ever done a cover?

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  I did, yeah, I did "Drive."

• 1:07:01Bill Maher?

  "Drive"? Wow.

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  I did "Drive" for the Adam Sandler movie with, with Drew Barrymore.

• 1:07:06Bill Maher?

  Oh, cool.

• 1:07:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I actually started doing that song live, 'cause usually I don't like doing covers, that's true. I don't like doing covers, but...

• 1:07:17Bill Maher?

  Beatles did "Eighteen."

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Beatles.

• 1:07:20Bill Maher?

  Beatles, a 60s mop-top group.

• 1:07:25Bill Maher?

  They were big in England, never hit here. I don't know what happened, they tried, just flopped. But, yeah, eighteen covers.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  And eighteen covers, and some people don't even know it was covers, do they? Someone to find them, they might not know it was covers.

• 1:07:41Bill Maher?

  I feel like, I feel like it'd be harder to find musical artists who didn't ever do a cover.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:49Bill Maher?

  Because.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:07:51Bill Maher?

  You know, and you know, Prince did covers, Prince.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Bill Maher?

  Betcha by golly wow, remember that one?

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  It was creative, you know, Prince did that one, did that one.

• 1:08:00Bill Maher?

  Betcha by golly wow, by the stylistics?

• 1:08:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know that song, but I never know Prince do a version of that.

• 1:08:06Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you don't.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  What did I say?

• 1:08:10Bill Maher?

  Exactly, but I do.

• 1:08:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'll look it up now.

• 1:08:14Bill Maher?

  Don't fuck with me on this, man.

• 1:08:16Speaker 04

  When did he do that one? Like back in the early, early days?

• 1:08:21Bill Maher?

  I can't give you the year, but, but, but, check it out.

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  I forgot what you can tell me.

• 1:08:27Bill Maher?

  Betcha by golly wow by Prince, you're gonna do that, and then you are gonna do a cover of Everything is Beautiful by Ray Stevens. But yeah, wake up in the morning, you gotta hear that, you gotta hear Barbra Streisand's, "You got to get up every morning with a smile on your face and tell the world that you're beautiful." Again.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  You serious, man?

• 1:08:52Bill Maher?

  I'm telling you.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  You serious, bro?

• 1:08:54Bill Maher?

  I'm telling you, you gotta get up to good, and you gotta go to bed to good. You can't go to bed to an autopsy.

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, no, no, no.

• 1:09:01Bill Maher?

  And you can't get up to it, and like, you know, your stuff would work on either end of the day.

• 1:09:07Speaker 04

  You know, I like, my new stuff, I like my new stuff, I tell people that, this is the only album I did that I listened to not as the artist that did it, but just as a listener. Like, it really uplift me, because I think that's why I wrote some of the songs, to kind of, from a mental, emotional health.

• 1:09:22Bill Maher?

  Well, tell me about it, this is, when is it? It's not even out now.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  No, it's out, well, a single out called Racism is a Killer, but.

• 1:09:30Bill Maher?

  When is it out?

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  April eighteenth, on vinyl.

• 1:09:32Bill Maher?

  April eighteenth?

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:34Bill Maher?

  Perfect timing for doing this podcast.

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Bill Maher?

  It's weird how that works.

• 1:09:40Speaker 04

  See there, we have to make it work.

• 1:09:42Bill Maher?

  Well, and when was your last studio album? It's been a while.

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, last one, that one was a kids project, but it was during the pandemic thing. So that wasn't really done, you know, really. It's been, it's been a while.

• 1:09:57Bill Maher?

  Wow, that pandemic did a lot for you. Albums, Jewish cooking.

• 1:10:03Speaker 04

  Dog, we got a dog too.

• 1:10:05Bill Maher?

  And you got a dog?

• 1:10:06Speaker 04

  I know, we got a dog.

• 1:10:07Bill Maher?

  God, let's have a pandemic every ten years.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  Let me tell you.

• 1:10:12Bill Maher?

  You have a dog, what's your dog?

• 1:10:14Speaker 04

  Rumor, he's a, he's a, he's a water dog.

• 1:10:16Bill Maher?

  A water dog?

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, hypoallergenic, cause the kids, they can have allergies and stuff, you know?

• 1:10:21Bill Maher?

  Oh, really?

• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  My wife was a-

• 1:10:23Bill Maher?

  No hair?

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  No, it might be, but it's like, it's not shedding. It doesn't shed.

• 1:10:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, cool.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, and no, my wife, Orly, her name is Orly.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  She was so against it at the time, cause it's really, you know, she takes on a lot of responsibilities, you know? My wife, she, you know, she really kinda have that kinda personality way.

• 1:10:47Bill Maher?

  Kids are a handful right here.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  And the dog would be another kid. So she was very reluctant about it, but eventually she loved the dog more than probably I love him. You know, like, if I dispossess him, she's like, no, no, no. I say, you didn't even want a dog, and I came and talked to the dog.

• 1:11:03Bill Maher?

  The kids love the dog.

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  The kids love the dog, it's good, yeah. And my nine-year-old, you know, have a good buddy.

• 1:11:08Bill Maher?

  You gotta have an animal in the house. You do, because it resets your sense of humanity. It resets your sense of honesty. Honesty, that's what's the best thing about pets.

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:22Bill Maher?

  They're fucking honest.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:25Bill Maher?

  They don't lie, they don't know how to lie.

• 1:11:27Speaker 04

  They don't care.

• 1:11:28Bill Maher?

  They have no pride, they have no pride.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:11:31Bill Maher?

  If they want that biscuit.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Hmm, oh, yeah.

• 1:11:33Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 1:11:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:35Bill Maher?

  Or, you know, you can just give them stuff you wouldn't need.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:39Bill Maher?

  No pride.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  That's true, man.

• 1:11:40Bill Maher?

  And it just, it just gives you perspective on life.

• 1:11:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, that's true, I grew up with animals, I grew up with animals.

• 1:11:47Bill Maher?

  Which animals?

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  In Jamaica, dogs and cows and goats and chickens.

• 1:11:52Bill Maher?

  You ate?

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, and chickens and- When I was younger, I started learning to, you know, do my own farming and stuff like that, so.

• 1:12:00Bill Maher?

  Did they have chickens around the house? Is that was a thing?

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:03Bill Maher?

  Whenever I see like film of Jamaica, there's always chickens.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, chicken. And street dogs. We usually have some street dogs around. Brownie, whatever color he is, that's what we call him. Brownie, Blackie, Whitey.

• 1:12:17Bill Maher?

  I had a dog named Blackie.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  Blackie, he was black?

• 1:12:20Bill Maher?

  Of course. I'm not that ironic.

• 1:12:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah, Jet Black.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, Jet Black, Blackie.

• 1:12:27Bill Maher?

  Blackie. His real name was Ebony, but I never really liked Ebony.

• 1:12:31Speaker 04

  I like with the.

• 1:12:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it was a little fey.

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:35Bill Maher?

  Blackie.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  Blackie better.

• 1:12:36Bill Maher?

  It just sounded.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  Blackie better.

• 1:12:39Bill Maher?

  You have to like the name of the dog.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:41Bill Maher?

  And then I have Chula, who's very old.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Such a connection.

• 1:12:46Bill Maher?

  It's, oh, yeah.

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  Such a connection, man.

• 1:12:49Bill Maher?

  So, you know, I'm, I'm facing being a empty nester.

• 1:12:53Speaker 04

  So you'll get more, you'll get another dog?

• 1:12:55Bill Maher?

  I will, of course.

• 1:12:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:57Bill Maher?

  But, you know, when you get them, it is a lot. No, maybe it's not a lot like having children, but you, you do have this period where, I mean, they're animals and they don't understand English, which is a real problem. We've tried to teach it, but they don't seem to want, they don't want to learn English. And so you have to, you know, inculcate with them these ideas that are foreign to them and you can't speak English to them, but they have to know that they can't go to the bathroom in the house.

• 1:13:32Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:13:33Bill Maher?

  And they have to do this and they have to do that. And everything is, is such a struggle.

• 1:13:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:38Bill Maher?

  And they're young and dumb.

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:13:39Bill Maher?

  Like we are.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:13:40Bill Maher?

  When we're young, dumb. And so it's a real, you know, there's an adjustment period. Really with dogs, you only get like a couple of great years where they're still bouncing and full of life and thrilled when you come home and not like a pain in the ass who shits in the house. And then they soon to get old.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  They get old, yeah.

• 1:13:59Bill Maher?

  They get very like lazy after about age four.

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  With my dog, get old because he's so active. We play with him all the time.

• 1:14:08Bill Maher?

  How old is he?

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  What, three, four?

• 1:14:11Bill Maher?

  Yeah, exactly. Trust me, when he's six, he's like, you wouldn't get up when you walk in.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:18Bill Maher?

  I'm over it, man.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  You've been through it. I haven't been through it. You've been through it.

• 1:14:24Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm glad you're in the area.

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, I'm glad, glad too.

• 1:14:28Bill Maher?

  I am terribly disappointed you don't smoke pot with other people. But if I joined the religion...

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  No, you're not for joining a religion. Well, love is my religion. Love is my religion.

• 1:14:41Bill Maher?

  Okay, it's getting a little weird now.

• 1:14:45Bill Maher?

  What are you saying, man? What do I have to do to smoke pot with you? No.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  What time, what time outside of the view?

• 1:14:53Bill Maher?

  But maybe some other time you'd smoke with me?

• 1:14:55Speaker 04

  Outside, yeah, man, when?

• 1:14:57Bill Maher?

  In some, in the right setting, with the right, I mean...

• 1:15:00Speaker 04

  I'm gonna give you the experience of, my experience of it.

• 1:15:04Bill Maher?

  Because I was really looking forward to like coming over here and having my mind blown with your superior unbelievable Jamaican dope. So, I can't tell you.

• 1:15:16Speaker 04

  We're gonna get to it and it's gonna be a story that we'll tell. But nobody, no one will see it.

• 1:15:21Bill Maher?

  Great, something to look forward to.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  No one will see it, but we'll tell the story.

• 1:15:25Bill Maher?

  As the poet said, anticipation itself is a sensory delight.

• 1:15:30Speaker 04

  See that?

• 1:15:32Bill Maher?

  Thank you, bro. I wish a lot of luck.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  Love you, yeah, man. Thank you, brother. Love, man. Love, love, love.

• 1:15:36Bill Maher?

  All right, man. I mean, man.

• 1:15:44Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  Nice, man, nice place.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  Nice vibe, nice vibe. You good, man? You good?

• 1:15:53Bill Maher?

  Are you good?

• 1:15:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, I'm a good one.

• 1:15:54Bill Maher?

  You are a good guy.

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, man. Thank you.

• 1:15:57Bill Maher?

  Me too.

• 1:15:57Speaker 04

  Thank you so much.

• 1:15:58Bill Maher?

  All right.

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