Xzibit | Club Random with Bill Maher

In this episode, Bill goes deep with legendary rapper, producer, and entrepreneur Xzibit—shedding light on his childhood as a military brat, the discipline that shaped his hip hop journey, and the inspiration behind his new album, “Kingmaker.” Xzibit opens up about chasing creative ambition while staying true to himself in an ever-shifting hip hop landscape, shares thoughts on social media’s addictive pull, and hip hop rivalries. He also reveals the hilarious story behind his fight scene with Jennifer Aniston in “Derailed,” complete with Brad Pitt lurking awkwardly in the background, and Bill recounts how one of Xzibit’s iconic lyrics made its way onto “Politically Correct” —a testament to Xzibit’s impact on both music and pop culture. Go to https://www. RadioactiveMedia.com or text RANDOM at 511511 to save up to 50%, today! Go to https://www.zbiotics.com/RANDOM to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use RANDOM Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/random #rulapod #ad Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Watch Club Random on YouTube: https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

  You don't get to, I don't think you really know somebody until you divorce them.

• 0:35Bill Maher?

  What a great line.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, the nightclub shooting where, uh, Sean was a...

• 0:44Bill Maher?

  I call it a bathroom misunderstanding.

• 0:49Bill Maher?

  X?

• 0:50Speaker 01

  What's up, brother? How are you?

• 0:52Bill Maher?

  Well, nervous as hell because, no, just because I, like, I'm not sure if I brought enough firepower, the right... I don't want to disappoint you.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  No, no, I'm not disappointed. We, I have plenty...

• 1:06Bill Maher?

  Well, you don't know, you haven't spoken to him.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09Bill Maher?

  That's what I'm saying, I don't want to be the lame guy who brought the... But I think this is from my store, The Woods.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:15Bill Maher?

  You know, you know The Woods?

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Yes, I do, I do, I do. You're partners in that store?

• 1:20Bill Maher?

  Yes, I am.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Awesome, yeah.

• 1:21Bill Maher?

  John McEnroe and, uh, I are minority owners, like I was with the Mets.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28Bill Maher?

  Well, he's a minority owner, but that's good because, uh, you know, you're not in for the downsides.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Well, I have something for you.

• 1:36Bill Maher?

  Yes?

• 1:37Speaker 01

  I have, I have, I have a store as well.

• 1:39Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  I have actually two stores.

• 1:41Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  One in Bel Air and one in Chatsworth.

• 1:44Bill Maher?

  Bel Air?

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:45Bill Maher?

  Excuse me?

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Exhibits West Coast cannabis, so look, so, uh, here are...

• 1:51Bill Maher?

  Okay, well...

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, here are, here's some shirts.

• 1:53Bill Maher?

  Great.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:55Bill Maher?

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  And then here's some, uh...

• 1:58Bill Maher?

  Lovely.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, we got some hats in there.

• 2:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03Bill Maher?

  Well, I will wear this proudly. I will.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  There's more, more merch?

• 2:09Bill Maher?

  I think I told you once that I used your.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:13Bill Maher?

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  I was, I was, I was actually, um, somebody sent it to me and it was the line where you said,

• 2:21Speaker 01

  in the words of Exhibit, "I might leave in a body bag, but never in cuffs."

• 2:25Bill Maher?

  For people who don't know what I'm talking about, I was the show that signed behind you, Politically Incorrect.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31Bill Maher?

  That show was on for nine years.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:33Bill Maher?

  I got canned, which is, you know, old life.

• 2:38Bill Maher?

  This is heavy. That's a lot of weed.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  That's a lot of weed. So if we run out, if we run out of what you brought, then we have plenty. There's a lot.

• 2:47Bill Maher?

  Well, if we run out of what even just I bought, we'll be dead.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50Bill Maher?

  Okay, these are, these are, these are from the woods, which is the, I mean, if you've never been to the woods, it's just amazing. I mean, it's always like a pot store because it's just, it's a pot store in the front, which is as nice as any pot store I've ever seen. And then in the back, it has these, it goes all the way back to the next street on the block, which you don't see from when you walk in. And back there, it's like a jungle and there's all these cabanas. And it's the best place to, if you want to smoke it where you bought it.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:18Bill Maher?

  And there's no place like it.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Absolutely. How's it smoking with Woody Harrison?

• 3:25Bill Maher?

  Come on, man. I mean, you know, it's like, it's like getting violin lessons from Paganini. I mean, he's, he's.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:33Bill Maher?

  I mean, you know, I don't know. He's, he's sat here and we were, we were like literally on the, you know, like drooling.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  That's one of my bucket list items.

• 3:43Bill Maher?

  Woody?

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:44Bill Maher?

  Oh, I can arrange that.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 3:46Bill Maher?

  Ask him twice.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:49Bill Maher?

  All right, well, let's, let's fucking light up.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Let's do that.

• 3:52Bill Maher?

  No, for the people who are like, Bill, tell the story about, what are you talking about with the? Okay, so when I got. Canned, this is back in the day when you got canceled. You actually got canceled while they canceled your show.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely, and announced it.

• 4:09Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it wasn't a metaphor.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:11Bill Maher?

  You're out of a job, you're fired, you're canceled. Which is fine. I had a nine-year run. I loved it. It actually was a blessing in disguise, because I like real-time. It made more sense. It was good for when I was young and immature, and now I'm old and immature. So, you know, this suits me better. But, so, I think, how am I gonna leave this nine-year trip I've been on, where the show was called Politically Incorrect? And I got fired for doing what I did the whole time, which was speaking my mind. This is right after 9/11, and, you know, they thought I was with the terrorists. I was just saying they weren't cowards, which you're not when you stick with the suicide mission.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:52Bill Maher?

  Okay, and I wouldn't retract, you know, I say, "Sorry if I hurt your feelings." You know, and I did. I mean, the country was raw, and maybe the timing was whatever. But, you know, that's what the show was.

• 5:06Bill Maher?

  So, I said, "What can I say?" And I guess I'd been listening to that song a lot at the time. I mean, I'm no expert in rap. I do, I mean, I love your, I mean, you're...

• 5:17Speaker 01

  No, Bill, you are, I would say, connected to the culture in a way that is genuine. And, and, and, and look, I watch your show.

• 5:31Bill Maher?

  I appreciate it.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  And I enjoy your takes, I enjoy the wittiness, and you see the forest for the trees, and you tell it how it is. And I think we miss a lot of that in today's, you know, perfectly brewed system of stewed shit. You know what I'm saying? So, I think it's dope that...

• 5:50Bill Maher?

  Oh, thank you.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's dope that you continue on.

• 5:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, I hear this all the time from people who, you know, basically are saying what you're saying, which is like, it's great to be an ally, but...

• 6:04Bill Maher?

  Being real is almost, it's not better, but like, it's very important.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:10Bill Maher?

  To be real, even if you don't agree.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:13Bill Maher?

  You know, and so anyway, I had to find some line, you know, when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. Not comparing my politically incorrect, but walking on the moon, but he had to like come up with a line. You can't just fucking walk on the moon and go, geez, that was some shit, huh? Neil Armstrong, who famously said, geez, that was some shit. No. So he came up with one small step for man and one, okay, great. So I was like, but I'm leaving this politically incorrect and your song. And I know the whole, I don't know a lot.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, Big Police 2, it's the Eminem record.

• 6:49Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:50Bill Maher?

  I'm not Ari Melber, I don't know rap songs like that, but I do know that one. And I know that whole thing, I think it starts, well, I can't even sing it, but you know, I'm the head African American in charge.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  The white man.

• 7:06Bill Maher?

  I watch you move, I see you found dead in your garage.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:09Bill Maher?

  With 10 o'clock news coverage. And then it's like, you gotta love it. I've exposed the facade.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Your little lungs are too small to hotbox with God. All jokes aside, come bounce with us.

• 7:24Bill Maher?

  Standing over your wood at 12 gates about to bust. Like ashes to ashes and dust to dust. I might leave in a body bag, but never in cuffs. And I thought, leave in a body bag, you know, that, that's what the message I'm gonna leave.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Standing on, standing on your principles.

• 7:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:41Bill Maher?

  Well, you know, whatever shit I said at the time, I mean, I didn't even agree with all of it now. I mean, 37 year old me is not, or whatever I was, is not, I'm almost 70.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:53Bill Maher?

  You, you, you know, but mostly, yeah, I'm pretty much the same guy.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 7:57Bill Maher?

  And I would do the same thing. I just found a network, or they found me, or it was just lucky we got together where. That was never really gonna be an issue again, cuz there were no sponsors. The show never lost its audience, it just lost the sponsors. And in commercial TV, you can't survive without sponsors, they pay the bills.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 8:16Bill Maher?

  So, anyway, what did you light up there?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  What did you put in there? What is in that dropper?

• 8:21Bill Maher?

  Jane, I drink it. I do, I love it. It's a way to make a diet soda without any chemicals. What do you drink? Oh, you don't drink anymore?

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Uh, well, I do.

• 8:33Bill Maher?

  What are you having?

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Coffee.

• 8:35Bill Maher?

  Oh, no. You don't drink liquor?

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do.

• 8:38Bill Maher?

  Oh, you do?

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just, but, okay, so here's the thing. So, um,

• 8:46Speaker 01

  I'd say, maybe, eight, nine months ago, I was 268 pounds.

• 8:53Bill Maher?

  Really? You look way down from that.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, I started eating, you know, clean, getting, going, you know, getting rest, going to the gym, doing all that stuff. Um, just was really not liking what I was seeing. And so, now I'm down to 220, and now I'm just drinking when there's a, there's a reason to celebrate.

• 9:12Bill Maher?

  That, you know what? That's almost exactly what I do. I drink here.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:16Bill Maher?

  And never more than two.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 9:19Bill Maher?

  You know, when you're my age, almost 70.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, but I'm with you, Bill, so I'm gonna take a shot eventually.

• 9:26Bill Maher?

  Great.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna take a shot eventually.

• 9:29Bill Maher?

  Well, let's try this one from the woods. It's Lil Woody's. See that Lil Woody's?

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:36Bill Maher?

  And it looks like it's a,

• 9:38Speaker 01

  What is that, like a four gram, three gram?

• 9:40Bill Maher?

  I don't know those kind of things, but, I mean, Woody seems to have signed it. It's very, it was very fancy.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 9:48Bill Maher?

  I'd almost say gay.

• 9:52Bill Maher?

  So, let's light this gay joint and have a gay old time.

• 9:57Bill Maher?

  So, you got a new record coming out?

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, man. Um, I haven't put out a record since 2012. So, it's important for me to, you know, go into this knowing that I have to reintroduce myself to my fans, the people who may not, you know, even know I do music.

• 10:15Bill Maher?

  A whole generation wasn't even around.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  Right. Or people that just know me from doing film and TV. So, um, Kingmaker is the title of the record. And I really feel there's 20 songs on there. We've been rolling it out. Um, I partnered with Conor McGregor. He started a record label.

• 10:34Bill Maher?

  Conor McGregor?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:38Bill Maher?

  I did not see that coming.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  No one did.

• 10:41Bill Maher?

  As the kids say, I did not have that on my bingo card. When was the last time anybody played bingo?

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think it's, I think it was attractive to me because there's, we're the first. There's no level of expectation. He is, you know, there's no real way.

• 10:56Bill Maher?

  He's rapping?

• 10:56Speaker 01

  No, he's not rapping. Yeah, he just, he just, you know, he's, he's, he's got a group of people around him that do his investments and whatnot. And starting a label was something he really wanted to do. So he ended up, um, you know, getting his group together, pulled the executives in, yeah. And so we came in, we're the first ones out. I think he signed, uh, Bone Thugs in Harmony. There's like a, there's a diverse, uh, uh, genre of music on the label.

• 11:20Bill Maher?

  Bone Thugs, yeah, I remember them.

• 11:24Bill Maher?

  I lost the lighter already. No, no, that's not the one. It's.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, the metal one.

• 11:33Bill Maher?

  I tell you, kids, don't, don't smoke pot because, because this, this will happen to you. You'll just be two washed up celebrities getting high in there, in my basement.

• 11:47Bill Maher?

  And I'm telling you, oh, here it is, right in front of my fucking face. So, so that was, that's on Conor McGregor's bucket list, huh?

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Greenback Records.

• 11:57Bill Maher?

  Start a record label.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:59Bill Maher?

  Throw a chair through a bus, start a record label. He's a bad boy.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean.

• 12:06Bill Maher?

  No, I don't dislike him. I, I, I just, you know, I mean, he's just a, he's just a badass.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  He's him, unapologetically. And I think that, you know, he's, you know, whether you love him or hate him, he shoots over people's heads. And I think that's what we needed to kind of get past the algorithm of, you know, ageism is in hip hop. You get past. That's a certain age and then they tell you you don't belong.

• 12:31Bill Maher?

  It's everywhere, but but especially music.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Music is like, you know, especially in hip hop. And you know, they say they describe it as a young man's sport, but we're the first of our kind. Hip hop just turned, you know, fifty some years old, so now.

• 12:42Bill Maher?

  I know.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  You know, and and so.

• 12:44Bill Maher?

  Unbelievable.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Um, we're now crossing this threshold from the the the last shift change was going from cassette and vinyl into CDs and now streams. And so we've transcended into this new age and and we're the first to actually experience this. So now it's time to, you know, figure out, you know, where do we land? What do we rap about? What do we talk about? I I don't talk about any of the things that I've been doing in my twenties, so I have to make it so that it's it's comfortable in my skin.

• 13:13Bill Maher?

  Oh, I mean,

• 13:16Bill Maher?

  they go through people's old tweets.

• 13:20Bill Maher?

  It's you're very fortunate that they don't go through people's old rap. I'm just gonna say there are some advantages, my friend.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:31Bill Maher?

  Sometimes you draw.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  They will, they not, they will one day.

• 13:35Bill Maher?

  They they they could, and it wouldn't be hard to find.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:39Bill Maher?

  Things that are just so misogynistic.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't say that shit shit now.

• 13:44Bill Maher?

  I mean, bitch, please.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Choke me, spate me, pull my hair. Like, that's one of my biggest songs.

• 13:51Bill Maher?

  And that's the title.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, that's the title.

• 13:53Bill Maher?

  I know, but I'm I'm saying bitch, please, you must have a mental disease.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:01Bill Maher?

  Get back down.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:03Bill Maher?

  Not not bad enough that just. It's like she got up to get a glass of water and that pissed you off. Uh, yeah, that would not win now's man of the year award.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Age well.

• 14:15Bill Maher?

  It didn't really, but you know what? I make this case all the time. There's an author who wrote a book about it. He calls it presentism. It means you don't judge people.

• 14:28Bill Maher?

  By the mores of the past. Because people were always just different.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:32Bill Maher?

  You're not better, you just came later.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 14:36Bill Maher?

  You're not better than George Washington.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:39Bill Maher?

  Everybody had slaves in that era, including people of color in other parts of the world.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 14:45Bill Maher?

  They did it too. They had this big argument going, they say, "Well, schools aren't teaching slavery." I don't know, I grew up in New Jersey.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:54Bill Maher?

  We did in New Jersey.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:55Bill Maher?

  Even in the sixties.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:57Bill Maher?

  You know, it wasn't like the sixteen nineteen project where they defined the country, but we got the message, it was wrong.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:04Bill Maher?

  And it was done, we were in the North, so it was like, "Oh, those assholes." You know, whereas, of course, the North participated in that way, of course. Everybody was in, you know, talk about an economy built on cheap labor.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, free labor.

• 15:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm saying.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think, I think, I think, um, even with that conversation, I think that,

• 15:26Speaker 01

  this, the, the, the after-effects of leading with slavery, especially in grade school and the way we're taught and the way it was defined and the narrative was changed.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I think when people feel as though they've been lied to, or feel as though that they, you know, have been disenfranchised, or, you know, that is definitely a feeling, a real feeling, you know, for a lot of people.

• 15:54Bill Maher?

  Oh, of course.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think that, you know, when you look at, when you have a conversation about slavery and the way it's introduced to us and led to us, I mean, you could see, I remember being in grade school and having no issues with people in, you know, or racial kind of bias or whatever, but as soon as those lessons started, you could kind of see the mental shift in where it was, the pecking order was introduced. And, and.

• 16:21Bill Maher?

  Pecking order of amongst whom?

• 16:23Speaker 01

  The pecking order of the mentality of, of, of the way the white kids started looking at the black kids in the class, you know what I'm saying, and vice versa.

• 16:30Bill Maher?

  Looking at them with guilt, scorn, superiority?

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Who knows, who knows? You know what I'm saying? But there was, it was like.

• 16:38Bill Maher?

  See, today, it's funny, because today, the country is so divided and so different in blue state areas, like here.

• 16:48Bill Maher?

  If they introduce this topic, because the way the white kids have been brought up on this subject, they they're gonna be like, oh, my God, we're terrible people, we're oppressors. Whereas, I feel this is wrong, because, kids, you didn't do it.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:03Bill Maher?

  You had little ink.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Right, right, right, right.

• 17:06Bill Maher?

  And this was many years ago, but maybe when you grew up, or still in some places in the country, where this subject comes up, maybe the white kids look at the black kids with scorn, like, you know.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, but there is, what I'm saying is, whether, whether those things, whether that feeling is from there, or it goes into guilt, or whether it goes into something, that you could tell that, that this was now being introduced, right? And so now, you look at the systems and the things that have been, you know, I guess, what we have been dealing with, you know, like, from different ranges, you know, racism does exist and all that stuff, you know, but I, I definitely know from like, grade school on to the introduction of it, and then when you get into being an adult, and you see how the, you know, disparaging differences between being able to, you know, get alone, or not

• 18:05Speaker 01

  get alone, or how you identified or singled out, that's a real thing, you know what I'm saying? So, I, I, I think that, especially in this climate.

• 18:12Bill Maher?

  It's a real thing, but some of that, they can measure.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:16Bill Maher?

  And they do.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:18Bill Maher?

  And we gotta go by measurements, not feelings.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 18:21Bill Maher?

  Like, you wouldn't use the blood work in your body from 1990, you'd use it from this year.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 18:28Bill Maher?

  So, you could look at, that lone thing was certainly prevalent, still might be, I don't know, but when you look at the numbers, you know, especially in the last five years, people know that there's a real spotlight on this. There has been a real effort.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Well, it's been turned up on purpose.

• 18:45Bill Maher?

  Of course, and it should be, but, but, you know, the question isn't, is, are there racists? Of course, there always will be, on both sides, by the way, but, of course, more historically, it wasn't, it was not a two-sided thing, it's only recently become, well, yeah, you could benefit, as well as suffer, because we divide everything racially.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:12Bill Maher?

  But the question is, you know, not whether there are still racists, of course. This word they use systemic, how much is it is in the system? Who is it holding back? And what are the real solutions?

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Uh, America got a real wake up call when they thought DEI meant black people. It doesn't mean. Surprise, motherfucker.

• 19:36Bill Maher?

  What do you mean?

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I mean, I think it was funny, but, uh, you know, like when they started attacking the whole DEI thing. You know, black people weren't like the last level of that. That was, it affected so many people before it got to black people.

• 19:54Bill Maher?

  No.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:56Bill Maher?

  No, no, no. DEI programs? No. No, come on. It was there to even things out with black people. That's what the program, diversity, equity and inclusion.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  But it did, you know, but.

• 20:09Bill Maher?

  Who went first? Who, who go, who jumped the line in diversity?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Uh, well, I mean, in those settings and what they're talking about is, is, you know, primarily, you know, that was, it was like women in the workplace.

• 20:22Bill Maher?

  Oh, women.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:23Bill Maher?

  Well, women.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Before it got down to.

• 20:25Bill Maher?

  But see, women don't need help in the workplace. That's, that's how very often we're just so far locked into previous narratives that we get involved in what I keep calling zombie lies. Like, it's a zombie lie. It was true and then it became not true, but you keep saying it. And that, like, women, yeah, women did used to not be treated equally and like not paid as much just because they were women. And were, and they were, weren't avenues open to them. Women now are, are leading in the workplace. You know, they graduate more from college.

• 21:06Bill Maher?

  They, they're, it's the boys who are, who are lagging behind now in those areas.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:12Bill Maher?

  You know, it's like, we're not living in the world where women can't get ahead.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that, that, but I mean, I just think that people were trying to generalize. And then it became a, like, another code word to talk about black people, you know, and.

• 21:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, it is that too.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, no, it turned into that for sure. But it wasn't quite the silver bullet that, that, you know, they were thinking it was.

• 21:36Bill Maher?

  Well, they just got rid of it like three weeks ago.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:38Bill Maher?

  No, they did. I mean, it's, it was, I mean, by, as usual in this country, Biden overdid it with D E I. And Trump is going too far in the other direction.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:49Bill Maher?

  You know, this, the pendulum never stops in the middle in this.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I think the, the uneducated people were thinking like, you know, J-Rock from, you know, Compton is working at NASA. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, they just ushered him in, like.

• 22:02Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  I don't think, it's not that, but it's a lot of dumb shit going on out there.

• 22:06Bill Maher?

  No, but there was, I think it was the University of Michigan, someplace like that, a college, which is already one of the most liberal places in the world, had something like 200 D E I officers.

• 22:19Bill Maher?

  For, no, come on, man. It's like, what are they doing? What, what needs to be done? Uh-oh.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  No, I know, I just.

• 22:27Bill Maher?

  It's okay.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I know.

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• 23:30Bill Maher?

  What is your ringtone?

• 23:31Speaker 01

  I just have the regular shit. I don't really change much on it, yeah.

• 23:35Bill Maher?

  So it's not something we wouldn't expect?

• 23:38Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 23:39Bill Maher?

  Funny if it was Ann Murray's "Snowbird."

• 23:45Speaker 01

  No, I just, I really don't do a lot on there, man. I just get phone calls and...

• 23:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I don't either.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just, it's just...

• 23:53Bill Maher?

  So what you said before that you... It was so interesting about the, I think, the subjects that, you know, are so different. When was your first album? Nineties?

• 24:09Speaker 01

  My first album was 96.

• 24:11Bill Maher?

  96, okay, so, yes. Wow, that's, I mean, that's a ways. That's almost 30.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, 96, yeah.

• 24:19Bill Maher?

  Okay, so, yes, and 96, I mean, certainly all the misogyny and like all that shit was fair game.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 24:30Bill Maher?

  Now, and so what are the subjects now that have replaced it, I guess, is what I'm getting at?

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Because when you, when you, when you cut down a tree and you see the rings in it, you know, you can tell how old that tree is. When I, when I started my records, I was kicking and screaming. I was, I was very angry, so I was kinda...

• 24:57Bill Maher?

  You'll hear it in your voice.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I found, I found a safe place, you know, for me to kick and scream and not hurt myself and others. You know? And so that was... Like my therapy almost, so hip hop I feel saved my life. But, you know, I was nineteen, twenty years old making those records. So now being able to, you know, go back and listen, you could tell what the environments in the, you could tell when I got paid, you could tell when I, you know, was frustrated, you could tell when things got hard, you could tell when things were great, you could hear it in the music.

• 25:32Bill Maher?

  You can in your voice.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Right, yes. And I think now, fast forward to twenty twenty five, the things.

• 25:37Bill Maher?

  I feel like all of it, I mean, I'm sure I don't know everything you've ever done, but I heard a lot. And I feel like you're almost always, I mean, I wouldn't even say angry. I would just say forceful and energetic.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Aggressive.

• 25:50Bill Maher?

  Aggressive, which is kind of what I'm asking about. When you take away some of these things, they're the things that inspire aggression. It's, you know, it's harder to have that sound if you're rapping about how great your marriage is.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, I think, you know, like, like, like now, I still like aggressive music. I still deliver aggressive, but I found my voice in the sense of not the tone or the projection of it, but what I'm supposed to be saying and how I'm supposed to be saying it. Like I feel, I was very doubtful, that was, I had a lot of doubt in my early records. I didn't know, I was trying to compete, I didn't really know what I was, was, was, was going for. I just knew the kind of music I liked to make and I would just say what I thought, you know, sounded good. But now when you speak with purpose and you speak with drive and you speak with conviction, it feels different, it lands different.

• 26:49Bill Maher?

  Well, I hope.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  It feels good saying it.

• 26:51Bill Maher?

  I hope you go to the style of this, I mean, again, no great expert, but like you're, that's X. Just, you're, is one of the greats of all time.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Thank you, man, thank you.

• 27:06Bill Maher?

  Just for name checking, Walter Cronkite.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 27:10Bill Maher?

  But, no, just that, is that Dr. Dre?

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was Dr. Dre and Scott Storch.

• 27:15Bill Maher?

  Okay, because he has a very distinctive sound. I would say he's the Phil Spector of rap.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Yes, we call him the chairman of the board.

• 27:23Bill Maher?

  I'm sure you should.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Quincy Jones of our generation.

• 27:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah, absolutely, because he just, I mean, that sound on that record, the same sound on Bitch Please, or two. The same sound on the one, the great one I love, that Mary J Blige. I mean, normally not my favorite. You know, not that I don't love songs about having your period, but like the, you know, Family Affair, is that what?

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, Family Affair.

• 27:51Bill Maher?

  I have the whole, I bought the whole album, as well as the brief bi- and like, there's nothing else on that album that like that record. It's like the single and then a bunch of songs like, oh, this, but that one.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:04Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's, that sound is my, is really, as, again, someone who's hard for a next one.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  No, I mean, your ears don't lie to you, you know, I mean, and music touches your soul. And, you know, so the frequencies that Dre knows and that he produces with and he, you know, pushes through the board are extraordinary, you know. When a Chronic first came out, you never heard a record sound like that. And then, you know, it became, it became this, this standard that people were trying to figure out how you made everything, you know, sound the way it was and everything. You could hear all these different sounds, but they had each, each sound had a specific place. It's crazy.

• 28:44Bill Maher?

  It appeals to someone like me from my era because it's melodic.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:51Bill Maher?

  You know, it's, and it's got that great beat, you know, it's got something that it's, it's, to me, it's the most sophisticated kind of style because, you know, it brings in me.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:03Bill Maher?

  Not all rap can. Just because, come on, a 70-year-old white guy?

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. You're 70?

• 29:10Bill Maher?

  Next year.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Oh, dude, you're fucking amazing, bro.

• 29:14Bill Maher?

  Finish your thought.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Come on, man, I'm serious.

• 29:16Bill Maher?

  It's the weed.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:19Bill Maher?

  It's the weed and never getting married, that's what it is. Kids, I mean, kids are great, I'm sure, I hear. I hate them, but, but, I mean, even at best, you would have to admit, they do suck the life out of you. They do, they suck you of money, of time, of attention, of patience, right? I mean, they just must suck the life out of you. I think that's what it is for me.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I was, I be, I have, I was dad at nineteen. My first, my oldest was born at nineteen.

• 29:49Bill Maher?

  Took you so long.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. Well, you know.

• 29:53Bill Maher?

  Were you gay?

• 29:53Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 29:56Bill Maher?

  Nineteen?

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:57Bill Maher?

  I'm kidding.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, and then, you know, um.

• 30:01Bill Maher?

  Well, that, that, is that a boy or a girl?

• 30:03Speaker 01

  It's a boy, yeah, he's, he's, he's almost, he's, he's twenty-eight now.

• 30:06Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Right, so, um.

• 30:08Bill Maher?

  How do you relate?

• 30:09Speaker 01

  I always tell him.

• 30:10Bill Maher?

  Just like buddies now because he's a grown man?

• 30:12Speaker 01

  No, no, no, it's still very much father-son.

• 30:14Bill Maher?

  Good. Good.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  And, and I always tell him, you know, when he was old enough, that we always grew up together. You know, we, we, we kind of grew up together. My father was a military guy.

• 30:27Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah?

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, so he was, he was.

• 30:28Bill Maher?

  What branch?

• 30:29Speaker 01

  In the Marine Corps.

• 30:30Bill Maher?

  Hello.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he did, he did two tours in Vietnam, and then you met my mother, Michigan State, and then we.

• 30:36Bill Maher?

  Oh, Michigan State?

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, then, then, then, and then here we come, me and my sister. So, you know, my mother passed when I was nine, she passed, and, and then my dad kind of, like, he, they, he got remarried, but it didn't really work, but, so, for the most part, my dad raised me, so, you know, he was.

• 30:55Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, like a single dad?

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, no, he was, he was married, but then it kind of broke up, and then, you know, so it was me and him for a while.

• 31:04Bill Maher?

  I bet he was strict.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Uh, he was, he was, he was strict, but he was also, you know, doing the best he could with what he had.

• 31:13Bill Maher?

  No, I, I, I'm not against strict, I, I get, I always get along well with people who had military parents, including women.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:23Bill Maher?

  No, really.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:24Bill Maher?

  I think it's because they're not brats.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:28Bill Maher?

  You just were not raised like other people.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  I wasn't coddled.

• 31:32Bill Maher?

  Not coddled, somebody slapped the snot out of them.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:36Bill Maher?

  The first time, they were like a brat.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:39Bill Maher?

  And and and like, sometimes you move around a lot.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:42Bill Maher?

  When the parent is military.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:44Bill Maher?

  So, you know, you kind of have to learn manners because you're always the new kid.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  No, that was the standard, you know, respect, you know, being able to conduct yourself with some self-discipline.

• 31:54Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  You know, just just a moral compass that a lot of my friends didn't have.

• 31:59Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  And and so it was it was dope to be able to uh had that relationship with him. It was kind of tight when we were kids, but then when I started making music and started doing shit with my life and, you know, he was he was worried about me, but we turned it around and did something though, you know. So we had a really great relationship up until he passed. And so I have that relationship with my with with my, there's always been boundaries and respect and, you know, I I wasn't as hard on him as my dad was on me, but that those principles are still there. And I believe that, you know, it it it had to happen that way.

• 32:38Bill Maher?

  Yeah, he I mean, he must be very proud.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was.

• 32:42Bill Maher?

  I mean, what do the kids say when you, who's your father? Exhibit. No, really.

• 32:49Bill Maher?

  Really, come on.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:51Bill Maher?

  I mean, that's cooler than.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:55Bill Maher?

  Most kids have to offer. Now, were you hoping he'll become a nepo, baby?

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 33:02Bill Maher?

  Come on.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  You know, he he uh he uh he actually um was doing music for a while. He still does music, but I told him he can't be a starving artist. You have to work until your dreams come true. You can't just chase your dreams and just just wing it, you know, you have to do something.

• 33:23Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  And so because my kids aren't built like me. I was out there crash test dummy, you know, in the street. And so I don't want that from my children. I don't want them to experience that. I don't want them to have any parts of that, so they're going to have different challenges and I welcome those, you know. Yeah, because they're going to be nothing like the ones I had.

• 33:46Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and kids need to be challenged and they need to, and they need to learn that that failure happens.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:53Bill Maher?

  You know, you, you, you don't only do them no favors when you prevent them from experiencing that all through childhood, because it's gonna happen at some point in life. At some point, you're not even gonna be there.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:07Bill Maher?

  But even before that, you know, uh, there's just, I mean, look, I guess every generation looks back at the younger generation and says this.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:17Bill Maher?

  But by God, it just seems true that they, they're just are not tough.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Uh-uh. No, they, they, they come from the immediate gratification entitlement feeling. And I always tell my boys, um, my biggest fear is I leave this planet without you all knowing how to provide for yourself. So you'll always be looking for a handout or help or a push or, I want you to be driven and I want you to follow through on things, you know, whether I help you or not. My, my job is to make sure that you know how to get up, lace up your fucking boots and, and, and get kicking at the day. And, you know, I try to show that by example, you know, and there's other ways I get around it, but I try to get the message where it's not forced.

• 35:06Bill Maher?

  So does that point of view come through on the record?

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 35:11Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I think, uh, there's a lot of mindless music out now. There's a lot of fluff.

• 35:16Bill Maher?

  Always has been.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, always has been, but now I think there's, there's a direct concentration of what's focused on and what's available and accessible. You know, when you go from people physically putting on clothes and jumping in their cars and going to a record store and picking up an album, having that physical experience with it, um, has been changed. So now, you know, the scrolling, the, they're able to pick through a record and, you know, really not have to leave your, whatever you're doing, you can kind of get any record in the world. And then it's all boiled down to this, you know, these couple streaming services squeezing out the mom and pops, squeezing out the, that experience. So now, you know, you're boiled down to what's happening on your phone and a live experience.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  And you know, it's it's it's it's sad to to the attention span of the audiences a lot shorter.

• 36:09Bill Maher?

  And during the live show, it's also the phone.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're holding up the phone, not even having the experience that they paid to see.

• 36:18Bill Maher?

  That to me is frightening. I watched the Taylor Swift concert because Nikki Glaser was here and she made me.

• 36:28Bill Maher?

  Insisted.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:31Bill Maher?

  That I was missing something.

• 36:34Bill Maher?

  Spoiler alert, I am not.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:35Bill Maher?

  But but that doesn't mean I don't think she's a great admirer. I mean, just you got to just the level of success is just astounding. But so I watched it. No, I I'm sorry, I don't get the music. But everybody, every song, when they show the crowd, when they pan out to the crowd, or when you see the crowd behind, it's almost all just through phones. I mean, you see the the light in the phone, and I'm just thinking, well, we have kind of passed this AI point. Kurt Ray Kurzweil wrote that book years ago, and he said, twenty twenty eight, I think, he called it the, I forget, the reckoning or

• 37:17Bill Maher?

  something where it meant, um, this is the moment when humans and machines sort of.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Merge.

• 37:26Bill Maher?

  Merge. And we're kind of there.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:29Bill Maher?

  In a lot of ways, you know, we're the phone is the sort of bridge to that moment.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:36Bill Maher?

  And he, I mean, and look, we have machine parts in us already.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  But not that one.

• 37:42Bill Maher?

  Not that one.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  So so so I I've I've kind of watched this thing go from like a a landline, the rotary phone, and then it turned into the the handheld, and then it turned into this. Now, it do you remember the brick mobile phones?

• 38:01Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it was a big deal. And then that thing.

• 38:06Bill Maher?

  And then there's the cellphone.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:08Bill Maher?

  But that's not a smartphone.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:09Bill Maher?

  A dumb cellphone.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Right, the flip phones, the the pagers. This thing has literally unplugged itself from the wall, crawled over to us, and fucking connected to us. And that wouldn't right now is the physical connection because we can put it up and put it down. But now that thing is on, when it jumped to the Apple Watch, I was like, oh, they got us.

• 38:31Bill Maher?

  But why do you?

• 38:32Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 38:33Bill Maher?

  No, meaning? That's to me so stupid.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  No way, fuck that.

• 38:36Bill Maher?

  Oh, I'm gonna check my watch to see what's on my phone? Like, what the fuck? How many steps do you need to put in?

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• 39:13Speaker 01

  No, no, it's just part of the crawling process.

• 39:17Bill Maher?

  You're right, that it's still there, but it's sort of also not. It's almost connected to their hand. I think they did a poll, yes, I'm sure they did, because I think we did a joke about it, where like 1 in 10 Gen Z said they would like cut off a finger before they couldn't hold it, or something like that. They're like, literally, we're moving toward that.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:41Bill Maher?

  And I think I told this story recently here, but forgive me if you know it. Oh, somebody I know has a kid sister who, first boyfriend, they're like 17. They go to sleep at night, not in the same bedroom, but with the phone on all night, on like, you know, FaceTime.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:08Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  That's dumbest shit ever.

• 40:12Bill Maher?

  To us, it is, but to them, it is not. And just on the subject of moving toward this singularity, that's the name of the book, singularity, when we become one with the machines. And this guy was right about a lot of things, like when the Soviet Union would fall. And I think he's got it pretty close.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:36Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, we are, and it could happen before then.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. We're talking about the chip, the process, the processor?

• 40:46Bill Maher?

  Just like...

• 40:49Bill Maher?

  You know, it starts with the calculator. A calculator. I mean, we didn't have those when I was in school. But that's why you had to learn your multiplication.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:59Bill Maher?

  And then you, now everybody has a ca- I mean, I don't think the kids can do it because they don't need to. Why would you?

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:05Bill Maher?

  You have it right there. You could just say, Suri, what's six times four? You know, whatever it is.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  But if I take your phone, you can't do shit.

• 41:13Bill Maher?

  Right. But that's the singularity. You are one. I mean, that Google glasses are kind of that.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's another thing. The watching the glasses, they're on us now.

• 41:22Bill Maher?

  They're on you.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:24Bill Maher?

  They're part, they're becoming part of you.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:26Bill Maher?

  And again, watching the concert, everybody, why can't they just watch Taylor Swift? Why do you need to see her through a phone?

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Because you, you've, you've given up the, the, the ability and the choice to use your memory. Instead, this is better. I don't have to remember it. Now I could just have it forever.

• 41:49Bill Maher?

  Whoever fucking watches a concert back on their phone? Nobody. You, you.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Well, the thing is now, attention is the new drug, in my opinion.

• 42:00Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Attention is the new drug and people want to be judged by their experiences and what they portray on Facebook and TikTok and IG and, you know, it's pretty interesting to see, you know, people have this life that they can project to the world and then, you know, it may be a total different thing, but everybody wants to project the TV show. It's like, everybody's on the Truman Show now. You know, like literally, like people get up to,

• 42:30Speaker 01

  post themselves and show. I can't do that. I don't, even though I do music and I go do things for entertainment, I don't like the attention.

• 42:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah, we're from a different era where we want this.

• 42:45Bill Maher?

  Bright wall between public and private.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:49Bill Maher?

  They don't.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Right. Like, I wanna, I wanna say goodnight and then goes in the door and like not have it on, you know?

• 42:57Bill Maher?

  Sometimes.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Take off my super suit.

• 42:58Bill Maher?

  Right, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, they don't get that.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:03Bill Maher?

  That's not even desirable.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 43:05Bill Maher?

  Which is why sometimes that generation doesn't fight for free speech, for privacy. Because the, the great sin is not losing privacy. The great sin is losing publicity.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, everything, everything, everything is, is, is, needs to be projected. I hate that. I, I, I, I think it's weird. Um, I don't wanna know, you know what I'm saying? Like, people splurging all kinds of personal shit on me. I hate that, you know what I'm saying?

• 43:37Bill Maher?

  Do you think your kids have been captured by that mentality?

• 43:40Speaker 01

  I think, uh, I think my youngest, um, spends a lot of time on that kinda stuff and, you know? But his whole friend's circle are, are in that. And, uh, you know, it's, it's tough, it's tough because I know there's gonna be a lot of deprogramming that needs to happen once he, uh, once he grows out of that, you know?

• 44:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Well, I think you're the man to do it.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm here, I'm here to do it. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I will be.

• 44:13Bill Maher?

  No, I know you will.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:14Bill Maher?

  And you're, you're not married?

• 44:21Bill Maher?

  Oh, take a big hit on that one. You're not, you are?

• 44:25Speaker 01

  I am in the middle, or no, I'm at the end of a very rough divorce.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:34Bill Maher?

  Is there any other kind?

• 44:39Bill Maher?

  It's rough.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  I uh, I uh, it's been going on for four years. And.

• 44:49Bill Maher?

  You know, you don't. That is a long time.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. You don't get to, you don't get to, I don't think you really know somebody until you divorce them.

• 44:56Bill Maher?

  What a great line. No, really. That's, how did, how did nobody ever say that before? That, and I've never been married, but that, but that so rings true. Cause I sure have lived through divorces with every male friend I've ever had.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:10Bill Maher?

  And some of the female.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Don't know.

• 45:12Bill Maher?

  But you don't know somebody until you divorce, yeah. Did you ever see the movie Marriage Story? It's a, it was a Netflix movie. It's with Adam Driver.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, I did see that.

• 45:25Bill Maher?

  Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson. I mean, I thought, I thought it was brilliant. It really, it really should be called divorce movie. Cause it's about a couple that's married and then as soon as the movie starts.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:36Bill Maher?

  They seem happy at first and then divorce starts and, you know, it all starts. And I, I feel the movie rang true with people because it's the way it is. It starts with, okay, once you get over the, we're splitting up. Then they go through this phase of, let's be civil about it. And little by little, it's a back and forth, you know, they get a lawyer who blah, blah, blah. And then, oh, okay, well, if you're gonna fight that way. Until they have that scene, it's one of the most riveting scenes I've ever seen in a movie. Where it just builds over 10 minutes. Uh, they're divorced and she comes over to his apartment, which of course he doesn't really wanna be living in a small apartment, but he has to cause of the settlement and it starts out very civil and

• 46:22Bill Maher?

  can you take the kids on this weekend? Oh, I would, but blah, blah, blah. And it just builds to, I fucking wanna, you know, just the nastiest, I hope you get hit by a bus.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:35Bill Maher?

  And uh, not that I needed another reason not to get married, but

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:41Bill Maher?

  When I saw that, it's like, that people can be that bad to each other. And.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  And, and, and, and you know, I, I think, you know, when, when, when, when things go out the window, uh, and boundaries are crossed and

• 46:59Speaker 01

  you know, you, you saying things you can't come back from, you know, uh, it's.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  It sucks, you know what I'm saying? I, I, I, I don't know if I'd ever get married again, you know? Uh, I, I, I am with someone, but not married, you know? And I think that's, I think that's, that's safe to say, you know? If, if, if you, if you fuck with me, you'll be in the will. You know what I'm saying? Ah, ah, ah, yeah.

• 47:27Bill Maher?

  Ashes to ashes. Yeah.

• 47:32Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, fuck it, I'm gonna know at that point.

• 47:37Bill Maher?

  You know, the next line in that hook you sang there was like, wasn't it about shooting with Puff?

• 47:46Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 47:47Bill Maher?

  Whatever happened to him? What you doing now, Puff Daddy?

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Puff Daddy?

• 47:53Bill Maher?

  But that's who you were referring to.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Yes, absolutely. Yeah, the, the, the nightclub shooting where, uh, Sean was at.

• 48:00Bill Maher?

  I, I call it a bathroom misunderstanding.

• 48:05Bill Maher?

  I don't know if we need to call it a nightclub shooting. Like, I was online, I thought it was the other line. And that happens all the time. Nightclubs are funny, but.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  He's a, he's a, he's, he's, he's got quite a bit going on, man.

• 48:20Bill Maher?

  Did you ever go to one of those parties?

• 48:25Bill Maher?

  Well, it's a yes or no question, sir.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Well, okay, so look, look, I was invited and I, I was there for like an hour and then I, I was, I had to leave.

• 48:36Bill Maher?

  Because?

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Oh, well, well, I just, you know, it was, uh, I think it was the person I came with.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  So I, you know, we, it didn't work out. It ended up being a good thing. We were in and out of there, so.

• 48:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I guess you don't know someone until you've been to a freak show.

• 48:58Bill Maher?

  I mean, that's not as good as your thing about divorce.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:03Bill Maher?

  No, it's true, you know, you get to know, you don't really, we all live in a very. High civilization, especially if you look through history. I mean, my god. People take for granted everything we have. I mean, the phone, we're mocking it, but I mean, it is a pretty amazingly great thing. When you wanna order food or just call somebody or just, just texting. I think about all the time I wasted in my life. Having to make a phone call and then chit chat.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get a bullshit for like ten minutes and then you get to the point and then another ten minutes to talk about shit and.

• 49:39Bill Maher?

  It was like, it was like what you had to do with your drug dealer. Yeah. You know, you had to like pretend.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  Ah, I know exactly who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Oh shit, absolutely correct.

• 49:53Bill Maher?

  That's when I was first out of college, trying to, starting my life in the clubs as a comedian. You know, barely getting on stage, certainly not making any money from it. I was a pot dealer. I had, I had this, I was, I locked into a connection.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Was it with that pressed, the, the pressed stuff or was it like buds?

• 50:14Bill Maher?

  Pressed? I never, the, there was one time that would call, when I was a pot dealer in college. That's where I got, uh, our, our dealer and the college dealer.

• 50:27Bill Maher?

  He once got us Acapulco Gold.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 50:30Bill Maher?

  I mean, we, we sold whatever he sold us.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 50:33Bill Maher?

  We were the lowest man on the totem pole, but it, you know, I went from never smoking to selling it in six months. Because it was the only way I could afford it.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  It'll do that.

• 50:42Bill Maher?

  I remember buying a pound and then dividing it into seventeen ounces.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  I see what you did there.

• 50:53Bill Maher?

  I would call that the head tax.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:56Bill Maher?

  So who's gonna weigh their, so it's a little less.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 51:00Bill Maher?

  But it was a great business.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:01Bill Maher?

  But Acapulco Gold came in a brick. I could see it and it was gold.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:07Bill Maher?

  It was gold.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:08Bill Maher?

  And I've tried to find it ever since and could never. And it was. Different.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:14Bill Maher?

  I mean, it was awesome. It was light. There was something about Acapulco Gold. So if anyone out there.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  You know how to grow it.

• 51:21Bill Maher?

  Would like to contact me, but why don't we ever see Acapulco Gold?

• 51:25Speaker 01

  I think those, I mean, you gotta think back in the day. You know, they had the, they had sativas and whatnot when they started crossbreeding them. And then, remember, it was just stress and chronic. That was the only two types of weed, especially out here in California. Then the Kush came along, and that was the first one with a name. And then it became all these other things. I think that when people started growing indoors and really cultivating and going at, that became like the boutique. That became like the, the top tier. And so, so the press weed that was getting sent over from, you know, wherever it was coming from.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  It, it just, it seeks to his, the, the taste. The people didn't want that. That was stressed. That we don't want that. You know, so eventually it phased out because now the more they produced the indoor and people, that was up for demand. It kind of squeezed out the bullshit strains.

• 52:19Bill Maher?

  All right, well, there was nothing bullshit about Acapulco Gold. I, I really feel there should be like a section. Yeah. What am I saying? I own a pot store. Okay, I'm gonna get this done tomorrow.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  Find the strain. Somebody has it somewhere.

• 52:33Bill Maher?

  Well, I think there should be a whole movement toward like Pot Classic. Ty Stick, another Pot Classic. Remember this strain from 1978?

• 52:47Bill Maher?

  The Bee Gees were on the charts and people were smoking.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Red Herring.

• 52:56Bill Maher?

  Right. Panama Red. That's another one.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:00Bill Maher?

  Panama Red.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's real.

• 53:01Bill Maher?

  Acapulco Gold.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:03Bill Maher?

  And Ty Stick. Those, and remember the Ty Stick came with a little string around it?

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 53:09Bill Maher?

  It was like, oh.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  I never got into that. It didn't work for me. I was just like, yeah.

• 53:13Bill Maher?

  Tie stick?

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, maybe I had a, uh, somebody gave me some bullshit because I just never had a great experience with it.

• 53:20Bill Maher?

  Right. I don't remember it being special. I remember the Acapulco Gold being special.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:24Bill Maher?

  So then, when I got out of college, I was first living in New York, I just lucked into a high school friend introduced. I was, I don't know, I don't know why, I can't remember why, but this guy who lived in Connecticut. And I think like his brother or something must have been in the mob.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:43Bill Maher?

  I got him like, like, like, like for free.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:46Bill Maher?

  Cause it was like a really great price. And I would take the train from Grand Central up to Connecticut.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:56Bill Maher?

  A town, a very tony town in Connecticut, I won't say which one. Get off at the train station, I was carrying a briefcase, which I was gonna take the two pounds of pot back in. Stupidly, like, I was dressed like the bum I was, and I had this like businessman's briefcase, thinking I wouldn't stick out. You know, so, and I would walk from the train station, it was like a mile and a half to his house. And I would just really wanna get the pot, give him my-

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, turn around and go.

• 54:24Bill Maher?

  But you had to make the conversation.

• 54:31Bill Maher?

  He was a nice guy and-

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Well, what did he wanna talk about?

• 54:36Bill Maher?

  He was a hi- kind of a hippie. He had a wife who was kinda like busting his balls for smoking too much pot. I remember once, she's, she was like, he was like saying to her, she was like standing in the kitchen, saying, "I swear to God, I haven't had any today." And she said, "I can see it on your teeth."

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you gotta watch Edith and Archie go back and forth while you-

• 55:00Bill Maher?

  No, but I'm just saying, you're a pretty big pothead if they can see it on your teeth.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:05Bill Maher?

  But he did have like a little, like at the end of that, something like an ash or some shit, it was like, you know, I can see the pot.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:13Bill Maher?

  But, uh, but that kinda saved my bacon in those early years, you know, I mean, I needed, uh, I, the only way I could have, I had a, even the shitty apartment I had. Because comedians don't make money, right? I'm sure nobody, I mean.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  No, I mean, it's the same thing.

• 55:29Bill Maher?

  What did you make, mixtapes at first?

• 55:31Speaker 01

  No, I never made a mixtape. And I never made a demo. When I, when I came here, uh, I came, I, I, I was born in Detroit. Uh, I lived in New Mexico, Albuquerque for like seven years.

• 55:43Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  And then from there, I came to California. And when I got to California, that's where I first met, um, King T and Alcoholics. They were the first people I met with record deals and they took me. King T and the Alcoholics.

• 55:58Bill Maher?

  Oh, not actual alcoholics.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  No, it's a group called Alcoholics. Yeah, yeah.

• 56:08Bill Maher?

  Okay. That's putting your tits on the glass, huh?

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll take a shot for that.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  All right, salute, salute.

• 56:25Bill Maher?

  Oh, great to see you.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 56:28Bill Maher?

  There you go.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Salute.

• 56:30Bill Maher?

  Okay, thank you so much for coming, brother. I was so looking forward to this all week.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 56:37Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:38Bill Maher?

  And I don't know where it was when I, I'm, I feel like the only other time I saw you was when I told you about the thing I told you about tonight, you know, that I used your line there, and I don't know when that was, but that probably was almost 20 years ago or something.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:51Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  We're still here, man.

• 56:55Bill Maher?

  Knock wood, I don't know, it's still early tonight.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:59Bill Maher?

  I mean, yeah, but you know, like, I wouldn't trade even this age because I'm just smarter and don't make so many stupid mistakes. And that makes up even, I think, I don't know, if I could spend a day in my 30-year-old body, maybe I'd be like, oh, no, I forgot how awesome it is to. But I don't feel like I basically do anything that differently than I ever did. You know, I can, I still run around and, you know, this stuff is, you know, that may end tomorrow or something, and I'm sure I don't run as fast, but.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:31Bill Maher?

  But like, but the bigger difference, I feel, is in my mind.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:36Bill Maher?

  You know, and you're just, you're just so stupid.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:40Bill Maher?

  You're just so.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, wasted a lot of time, resources, just, you know.

• 57:45Bill Maher?

  Wasted time, bad decisions.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Horrible decisions. But those are the best ones, though. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you can learn from them, you know?

• 57:55Bill Maher?

  I don't know what you're saying.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Every choice comes with an invoice, right? And so we.

• 57:59Bill Maher?

  Great line.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we, we, we have to understand that, you know, my dad used to tell me there's, you have to suffer the natural and logical consequences for your behavior.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  And I knew some of these things I wasn't supposed to be doing. But it was like, I'm gonna try it, cuz I might have a different outcome. He don't know what he talking about. After about a hundred and fifty thousand of those, oh, he knew what he was talking about. You kind of like fall into, you know, a different type of mind state now. When you, when you first touch money, like when I first touched money,

• 58:38Speaker 01

  I did all the things that I, exactly what, the opposite of what I supposed to do. We ain't got a car, we ain't got a watch, we ain't got a chain, we ain't got this and that for the, for, for the appearance of success, without actually being in, in, in the black, you know?

• 58:58Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so it was, uh, it was a learning curve.

• 59:01Bill Maher?

  Everybody does.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Everybody does.

• 59:03Bill Maher?

  I mean, and also, somebody once said this, and I keep trying to remember who the celebrity was, but whoever he is out there, please tell me. Somebody said, when you become famous, you get a year to act like an asshole.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:18Bill Maher?

  Now, I may have taken two.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I, I may have taken ten. You know what I'm saying? I may have done ten. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:26Bill Maher?

  I may have too.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Rocket fuel, you know? You know, people understand, like, that shit is great. It's a great feeling, you know?

• 59:34Bill Maher?

  It is a great feeling. Also, there's sometimes some bitterness because of like, who held you back or didn't, didn't believe in you? There's a little chip on your shoulder about, oh, you know, you, you didn't let me in this club?

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:48Bill Maher?

  You know, now you have to.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly, yeah.

• 59:50Bill Maher?

  Not that, I mean, I never did, started any shit.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:53Bill Maher?

  I mean, I wasn't in the club with Puff.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:56Bill Maher?

  How about the buzz?

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Me either, it was a, it was a great. Great line, you know.

• 1:00:01Bill Maher?

  It was, but you weren't there that night.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  No, hell no, yeah, no.

• 1:00:04Bill Maher?

  You were just friendly.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  I've actually been kinda unscathed. As a hip hop artist, there's, it can be a lot of crash landings. You know, but I've, I've, I've, I've relatively been, you know, really true to character and that speaks volumes and, and allows me to walk in a lot of doors and I haven't had a lot of that kinda stuff. Once I'd left that stuff behind as a kid and I got into a professional setting, um, some people don't know how to read the room.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  I, I, I, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:35Bill Maher?

  You sure don't.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and I was able to understand that my environment was changing.

• 1:00:39Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  These people don't, you know, uh, you can't, we're not here on the block. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're here to do business and make sure that we are building something.

• 1:00:51Bill Maher?

  You have to grow age-wise with your audience. Your core audience is aging. Your, your, the audience that you started with when they were very young, they wanna love you because there's an emotional connection when you connect at that young age.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Correct, yeah.

• 1:01:07Bill Maher?

  The first song you got laid to.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:09Bill Maher?

  It's always gonna be.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Party with your friends to this. This is what your song, this was on your ringtone. This was, you know, this is what you grew up with. This is part of your DNA. And I get that. But I also, you know, when making this record, I wanted to not only have a transfer of information. These are the, I, uh, these are the ideals. These are the, the, the self-discipline. Um, uh, these are the motives. These are, you know, the way I operate, the moral compass I use. All this is kinda built into the album, calling it Kingmaker. So now I'm handing this over to people who are willing to listen. And now you can do with it what you will. And that's the, the image behind Kingmaker. It has, it has nothing to do with me sitting on the throne or feeling like a royalty.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Like, this is, like, serious, yeah.

• 1:01:58Bill Maher?

  That's not what a kingmaker is.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:01Bill Maher?

  That's the king.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:02Bill Maher?

  The king maker.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04Bill Maher?

  You know, that's the guy behind the throne.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  But that's what I'm saying. I think the listener is who I'm trying to empower.

• 1:02:11Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  So that's why I said, here are the tools, you know? I don't want to be king, you know? I want to be a soldier. Soldiers kill kings.

• 1:02:20Bill Maher?

  So, explain this to me as someone who maybe should know this, but I, I, I'm just, you know? I love that I can talk to you as frankly as I can. Like, I don't get the Kendrick Lamar Drake fuse. What I don't get is, like, what?

• 1:02:41Bill Maher?

  Why? Should I stop? No. What? What's so funny? I feel like you're laughing at me.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:02:49Bill Maher?

  No?

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  I, I.

• 1:02:50Bill Maher?

  With me?

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  I, I, I am laughing.

• 1:02:52Bill Maher?

  Near me?

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm.

• 1:02:54Bill Maher?

  You're laughing near me.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I'm laughing with you.

• 1:02:56Bill Maher?

  Okay, alright.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  I just think it's the way that you, I was expecting like, that was a left turn like a motherfucker.

• 1:03:02Bill Maher?

  I have, I, when I said, when I told HBO I was doing a podcast for ass.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:08Bill Maher?

  I said, it'd be nothing like a real time. I will never plan anything.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 1:03:12Bill Maher?

  And I've lived up to that pledge, believe me.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  Okay, what don't you understand about it?

• 1:03:16Bill Maher?

  Okay, so I forget why it was brought to my mind, but whatever you said. What I don't understand is, okay, Kendrick Lamar, I, I'm not gonna pretend that I really know his music at all.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Understood, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:29Bill Maher?

  That's not kind of like the, the kind that I was describing. I think that's more melodic, you know? Okay, uh, so, but what I get is that, you know, he's sort of the great tribute, you know, social justice at the moment. Like, he's taken more, he's more serious. He won a Nobel Prize.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:50Bill Maher?

  Right, okay, so he's not rapping about the booty. I'm, I'm sure they're not gonna give you a a Nobel Prize for, for, you know?

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Booty raps.

• 1:04:00Bill Maher?

  Booty rap.

• 1:04:03Bill Maher?

  Am I wrong about that?

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  You're absolutely correct.

• 1:04:05Bill Maher?

  Okay, alright. So, I feel like, okay, here's this great Nobel Prize winning, you know, poet of social justice, but his obsession is to have a fight with another rapper. If social justice is really that big an issue.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  That is a super, that is a, that is such, that is such a super look at the perception that, that, that, that is from where you're at.

• 1:04:33Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Okay, so, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out how to explain this to you in the, in the best way you can understand it. Okay, okay, so, so, um,

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  there's, uh, Drake is, is, is, um, the empire, okay? And, and Kendrick is Luke Skywalker.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  This is, that was David and Goliath.

• 1:05:02Bill Maher?

  I, I know very little about Star Wars, I'm telling you.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Okay, fuck. Okay, there's the Democrats and then there's the Republicans.

• 1:05:10Bill Maher?

  No, I, I, I get, I get it that Drake is, is, is sort of the softer one.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  No, I would say, no, I would say, I wouldn't say softer. I think, I think that, uh,

• 1:05:20Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  I, I think, I, I would, I would explain it like this. Drake was, for a decade, if not more, arguably the largest selling.

• 1:05:30Bill Maher?

  Oh, yes, yeah, I know.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  You know, his, his, his presence, his presence in, in, in the music, in the world, in, you know, it was huge.

• 1:05:38Bill Maher?

  And did not he also, even more important perhaps, change, um, what was fashionable in rap? Made it a little more emo?

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, yeah, he brought a lot of, he, he, he, he, he made a lot of records for women and, you know, those ballads and, and keeping that fanbase young and energized and, you know, like, he, he, um, he, he became really, you know, uh,

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  A different guy from the the way he started, right?

• 1:06:12Bill Maher?

  Was he a certified lover boy or was that grandfathered in?

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  I have no idea about what he's doing with his his boy or, you know, I know that don't sound right. But I don't know what he's doing.

• 1:06:22Bill Maher?

  But I I never saw anything that proved he was a pedophile. There's been no court, there's been, nobody brought any cases against him. Obviously, it's possible, especially in the music industry, but I guess it's possible for anybody.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:35Bill Maher?

  And so to like a

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  It's it's

• 1:06:38Bill Maher?

  Maybe it's maybe it's well known within the industry.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  It's it's a clip of of of

• 1:06:43Bill Maher?

  But it's

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Of of like him talking to a fourteen year old girl on the stage and that was suspect. And then, you know, it was

• 1:06:51Bill Maher?

  On the stage?

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  On the stage.

• 1:06:53Bill Maher?

  And we hear we hear what he's saying?

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, you hear what he's saying.

• 1:06:55Bill Maher?

  What is it? Come back to my room?

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  No, I I wouldn't say that.

• 1:07:00Bill Maher?

  Well, we heard it. What is it?

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  I I I don't remember what it is. I just know that's where that that comes from, that that clip.

• 1:07:06Bill Maher?

  Well, I

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  And then and then he was talking to

• 1:07:08Bill Maher?

  It must have been something. I don't think it was. What are your opinions on the Don Bosco?

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  No, no, I just don't. It was something that made your eyebrow raise.

• 1:07:16Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Right? And then he was talking to the Millie Bobby Brown girl about relationship shit and, you know, it's just, you know, and and people like to run with things, right? So really, it started from, you know, a feature, you know, and and they and we'll probably never know that when Jab started or whatever, but it boiled over into this thing where it became this David and Goliath moment. And what you're seeing and why people are celebrating it so much is that this big huge machine and, you know, and this this so-called, you know, rapper from Compton that that that that, yes, he has success, but he's not as big as as us.

• 1:07:55Bill Maher?

  No, but hardly David.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Right, right. Well, well, I mean, yeah, well, compared to what what would, uh,

• 1:08:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  The way you view things, right? And the perception, again, this is all about opinion.

• 1:08:04Bill Maher?

  Everyone's always rooting for the rebel against the mainstream guy.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:09Bill Maher?

  Somebody has to be the man. Somebody has to be the establishment.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:13Bill Maher?

  Or else it's no fun.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:14Bill Maher?

  You know, who are you gonna shake your fist at? I I but but Just seem.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it blew up and it turned into something that, you know.

• 1:08:23Bill Maher?

  Well, it blew up because he kept taking records about it. And he would never stop singing it.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:08:30Bill Maher?

  And he sang it at the Super Bowl. And like, you know, it's just, I thought, I thought, well, he's definitely not going to sing it at the Super Bowl. He made his point.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  No, he did that shit.

• 1:08:42Bill Maher?

  Oh, I understand. But I thought he would say to himself, you know, I've made my point. It's just gonna, it's just gonna look like overkill. But no, it was like, let's have some overkill. Okay, again, it's, I would not want to be someone who, if I was innocent of this crime. Because it's a pretty serious thing to level at somebody. You kind of have to really know for sure, don't you?

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Are you kidding?

• 1:09:10Bill Maher?

  This is.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  I'm not kidding. Hold on, no, I understand.

• 1:09:13Bill Maher?

  Pedophile?

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  But no, no, listen, listen. This is a rap battle.

• 1:09:18Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  This is not, you know, testimony or deposition. You know what I'm saying? This is a fucking rap battle. I'm gonna talk about your mama, I'm gonna talk about your daddy, I'm gonna talk about your children, I'm gonna talk about everything. I'm gonna talk about your grandma's wooden leg, I'm gonna talk about your missing teeth.

• 1:09:35Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  It's all game, right? So, you know, like, we, we, we're pretty savvy enough to say, like, if there was something weird going on, then there would, there would definitely be people that would come forward and, and testify and do that. And then people will be charged for that. But when you, when you playing the dozens.

• 1:09:57Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  And I, and I give you one that hurts your feelings.

• 1:10:00Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  You know, don't be the guy who wants to fight because I got a good joke. You understand what I'm saying?

• 1:10:07Bill Maher?

  That's quite a joke.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:10:09Bill Maher?

  Wow, it's, um.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Hey, but I mean, I mean, it's, it's, I think, I think, you know, when you, when you're in a rap battle, you know, the option is to, you know, either bow out gracefully or to come back with something harder, right?

• 1:10:23Bill Maher?

  No, so you're saying we're not for the suit?

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  No, there's no suing it.

• 1:10:29Bill Maher?

  Well, Drake sued his own record company.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I understand. But he's basically saying that you did something for someone else that you used to do for me, and here's how I know.

• 1:10:41Bill Maher?

  Say that again.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  You're doing the same thing that you're doing for him, you used to do for me, and I'm blowing the whistle now.

• 1:10:48Bill Maher?

  I see.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  You're boosting this and boosting that. What I mean, I, I, I, I think, but there's that, that's not true. Like, the world loves that song, you know?

• 1:11:01Bill Maher?

  Okay, but does it not, my question is, does it not, um, leave one with the impression, that maybe things aren't so bad if we can divert our attention to this seemingly internecine battle between two rappers that really is, is, is, you know, like you say, just performing.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  It was, like, people get into it all the time in hip-hop, but that was significant because now we have this thing, this, this, this thing in hip-hop. It was like, you know, is it skill over success? Is it the, is it, is it the money versus the, the, the culture? These things have never had the opportunity to clash because it was always overshadowed by the profit, by the, by the, the money that was made. So, it didn't matter what your opinion was, but now we have somebody that really doesn't, you know, live in the same lane. They're big, but is it culture versus, you know, you know, capitalism? Is it, is it,

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  is it, is it, um, is it, is it, is it real hip-hop, quote-unquote, versus commercial hip-hop? Or it was like a heavyweight fight?

• 1:12:27Bill Maher?

  So, will there be further publicity hate to be made out of a rapprochement?

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 1:12:37Bill Maher?

  Don't you think?

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  I, I think the people that, that, that turn into, that tune into, you know, part two and part three of different boxing matches, as long as, if, if they keep going at each other, what I'm pretty sure to be subliminally, and, and, and on and on and on, you know, and, and, and hopefully, you know, it stays entertainment, you know? Whatever lawsuit, whatever, that's new territory for me. I've never seen that before. I'm anxious to see how it pans out as well, you know? But why introduce that to the? To the Gladiator Arena, you know, like, like, come on, dude, you know.

• 1:13:17Bill Maher?

  People do like Gladiator.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in a fight, bro, like.

• 1:13:21Bill Maher?

  They just remade the movie.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:23Bill Maher?

  They did, I mean, that's what most movies are some variation.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, why are they remaking all of the classics like, like, I would love to see something new. You know, but then, you know, you see it on Netflix and same thing happened to music when they, you know, CDs were bootlegged.

• 1:13:41Bill Maher?

  You, I mean, I feel like, I remember a record of yours where you, and this is really a long time ago, twenty, you know, again, that twenty year period, where you were saying hip hop is hollow.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:54Bill Maher?

  And, okay, so what year was that?

• 1:14:00Bill Maher?

  It was like back the way it was or there was.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Back to the way it was.

• 1:14:04Bill Maher?

  Back to the way.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes, yes, yes, back to the way it was.

• 1:14:07Bill Maher?

  And it was like, I feel like you said hip hop was hollow.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:10Bill Maher?

  And that was the theme of it, which is, so, why, because it had, I feel like that's when it.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  You can hold your breath.

• 1:14:18Bill Maher?

  Got harder.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  Till you're blue in the face, but you can never, ever take my place. Yes, yes, I remember that. Cause right now hip hop is hollow with no substance. X man with the roughness could suck sex to suck some time and many of us, the way we act, we even lost our minds. Yes, I remember that. Well.

• 1:14:37Bill Maher?

  So, where, what's your feeling on that twenty years on, like, was that of that moment? Or, um, did we get, get, did you get it back?

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel, I feel like I'm a hip hop purist. And when I say purist, mean I believe in the five elements of hip hop. Um, I, I believe in, you know, graffiti, break dancing, MC, DJ, uh, uh.

• 1:15:08Bill Maher?

  I've never heard that there were five.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's one more. There's one more. I'm tripping. Um, I guess fashion.

• 1:15:15Bill Maher?

  Yeah, fashion. How ironic, the one we forgot.

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:19Bill Maher?

  Um, weed is pretty important.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  Absolutely. It's part of the culture.

• 1:15:23Bill Maher?

  It's very.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  But weed has been part of music forever, right? Like even the blues, jazz singers, you know, like, yeah, they all had a relationship.

• 1:15:32Bill Maher?

  I mean, I don't know if Mozart was.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, he probably got high.

• 1:15:37Bill Maher?

  Uh, he was kind of crazy to begin with.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:42Bill Maher?

  There's a move.

• 1:15:43Speaker 01

  But they used to do cocaine freely back then, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was like medicine.

• 1:15:47Bill Maher?

  I don't think in Europe in the 17th century they were doing cocaine. I could be wrong. Maybe they got the blow got into Europe, but I don't think so. I think that because I think it was always.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  They didn't have cocaine.

• 1:15:59Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't think it was grown in the Middle East, which was, which is.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  Maybe they had like opium or something.

• 1:16:05Bill Maher?

  Yes. No, they had, well, they different things. Um, well, first of all, in Islam, you know, drug use, you don't go to rehab, you go to.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:17Bill Maher?

  You know, there's no in-between. It's very harsh. Um, but in Africa, they, uh, East Africa, like I think mostly they, they. Khat. Did you ever hear that? It's K H A T, khat. Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot like cocaine, like they give it to the soldiers to chew before they go into battle. Kind of get you, you know, like cocaine in the, in the same sense of if you just chew the cocoa leaf. It's not the kind of high we know from cocaine.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:48Bill Maher?

  You know, it's cool, but it's not that shitty, buzzy, talking about.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Bill Maher?

  Thank God I wasn't a cocaine addict because you definitely don't want to have to talk to the cocaine dealer. The pot dealer's bad enough, but not the one on cocaine. You'll be there for three hours.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:10Bill Maher?

  But, uh, no, they, they, I mean, every part of the world, yes, I think, has something that makes you high. You know, I mean, the Romans said wine, women, and song, and I think, uh, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:28Bill Maher?

  Is like two cent, two thousand years later.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they go hand in hand, and music has always been there, you know?

• 1:17:34Bill Maher?

  Yes, I'd have to, I don't know what to do with myself, find something to do if I couldn't have music in my life. I think a lot of people feel the same way. We all like different kinds of music. But it's rare to find that person who doesn't like any music.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:17:49Bill Maher?

  Don't you think?

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Those are scary people. They probably kick pets, pets and shit.

• 1:17:54Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, there are people who, there are people who don't like dogs.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Bill Maher?

  Which I don't understand. There are people who really don't laugh.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01Bill Maher?

  Trump does not laugh. Like, he makes people laugh. Sometimes intentionally, I mean.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think, have I ever seen him laugh? I don't know.

• 1:18:11Bill Maher?

  I have not.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:18:13Bill Maher?

  Like, really, like, really laugh?

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Like a belly laugh, like a gut laugh.

• 1:18:16Bill Maher?

  Like, any laugh.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Bill Maher?

  I, I don't, I don't feel like I've ever seen Donald Trump laugh.

• 1:18:23Bill Maher?

  Maybe he has, but he's kind of like, you know, he gives, you can get a broad smile out of him.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:28Bill Maher?

  But, you know, I just don't think, nah, I'm not saying that, look, you, like, any, there could be people like that who are nothing like him, and that is, that is not my issue with Donald Trump, but it is indicative, it just, it's funny. And then there are people who laugh a little, uh, of course, as a comedian, you know, you know, a lot of these types who like, they laugh a little and then tell you a better joke.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54Bill Maher?

  Leno's that way.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:55Bill Maher?

  And that's good, yeah, I mean, and then he's got, he's good, you know, always has a better topping joke.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:00Bill Maher?

  But, no, um, I think laughing people, Trump has also never done pot or, uh, liquor. Never had a drink.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:19:13Bill Maher?

  Never had a drink, yeah. Maybe that's connected to the laughing thing.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:19:17Bill Maher?

  I don't know. But, look, I can't.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  He's never, like, had a, like?

• 1:19:20Bill Maher?

  No, his brother was, died of alcoholism.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:19:26Bill Maher?

  I mean, you had alcohol problems, didn't you? Didn't you like have a drinking thing?

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  No, I I I think, um, you know, being able to moderate and yeah, I used to party a lot when I was younger.

• 1:19:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, so did I.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean, that that's that's kind of like where the self-discipline thing comes back in. You know, it's it's first of all, getting up there in age. Can't, you know, I don't bounce back the way I used to. It doesn't feel the same. And there's no reason to really drink unless you have a reason to celebrate.

• 1:20:00Bill Maher?

  That's the problem with having a young body is that it takes so much punishment.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:20:05Bill Maher?

  So you can just do the stupidest thing.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was running into brick walls with my fucking body, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:20:11Bill Maher?

  Literally?

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  No, no, I'm just saying, like, like, it was it was some long nights, the days that ran into each other.

• 1:20:17Bill Maher?

  Kids do things like that. Do you know what the latest TikTok challenge is?

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:21Bill Maher?

  Dropping something super heavy on your foot.

• 1:20:26Bill Maher?

  I'm not joking with you. That.

• 1:20:30Bill Maher?

  Because they can, because if we did it, I mean, if I stubbed my toe, I'm mad at myself for a week, you know?

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  But I'm not gonna do it to get people to click on my fucking TikTok. I'm not gonna injure myself. Like, this, the Idi- Idiocracy movie is coming to life more and more and more and more every fucking day.

• 1:20:51Bill Maher?

  Isn't that movie great?

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 1:20:52Bill Maher?

  It's so.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  It's scary.

• 1:20:54Bill Maher?

  It's so on the money.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  It's scary because I see it happening.

• 1:20:58Bill Maher?

  And President was played by Terry Crews.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Ah, Terry Crews. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right.

• 1:21:05Bill Maher?

  And he's a great guy, by the way.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Oh, OK, OK. So look, so look.

• 1:21:08Bill Maher?

  He's the president, Camacho.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  I'm stoned too, because I think, um, uh, Tiny was the president in a different movie.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  You was though.

• 1:21:20Bill Maher?

  Now, that was Michael Douglas in The American President. Very similar, but.

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:21:28Bill Maher?

  So what, what movies do you watch? What do you, what do you, what's your, what's your, what's your diet of when you wanna, when you wanna chill out? Or when you're watching with your girl? What do you, what do you watch?

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  I watch, um.

• 1:21:39Bill Maher?

  Netflix and show or HBO?

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I like to.

• 1:21:43Bill Maher?

  HBO, babe, that's.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I like to, there's a lot of good series, but then when I wanna go find a movie, I watch like, um, you know, the Indiana Jones franchise. I liked, I liked Spielberg, I liked that era in that of directing, you know?

• 1:21:58Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  And, and the way those films, uh, like in the Indiana Jones series for sure. Um, I watched a lot of that when I was growing up, the lighting, the, the, the story, the, it felt like you're watching a high five version of the old way things, you know, the, that's, that, that time, that timestamp, you know?

• 1:22:19Bill Maher?

  Watched a movie, you know, I'm always, I'm, I watch movies like in the bathtub.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:25Bill Maher?

  And in the kitchen.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:26Bill Maher?

  Like, I used to watch cable news and I'm so much happier, like not having, it's not where I don't keep up on the news, but just like, I'm sorry.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Bill Maher?

  I, I just, it, it depresses me.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:38Bill Maher?

  So, uh, but, uh, movies, it just, and I was watching one that I remember I saw in the theater in two thousand and five, so I recall who I was watching it with. And, uh, it's the, I can't remember the name of it, but it's Jennifer Aniston and Clive O.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Derailed.

• 1:22:59Bill Maher?

  Derailed.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:23:03Bill Maher?

  What are your memories of that?

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  There's so many.

• 1:23:07Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  There's.

• 1:23:09Bill Maher?

  You were not the hero, as I recall.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  I was not the hero. So I got, okay, so, so I got two great stories about that, that film. First of all, we, that was.

• 1:23:20Bill Maher?

  It's entertaining.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:22Bill Maher?

  It is.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  That was, that was, uh, my father went with me to, to London to shoot that. We shot that at George Lucas Studios and.

• 1:23:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, really?

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  Right. And it was dope because that was the first time he got to travel with me to a movie set. So I'll always remember this. But on, there's, there's, there's, there's, I, I, that's the, also because we were filming on George Lucas set. It was like, somebody came over, uh, wanted to take a picture with me and brought me a lightsaber.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  And, and I, I still have that fucking thing, you know what I'm saying? That like, it was like, for like one of the practice ones that they use.

• 1:24:01Bill Maher?

  Even I know what that is.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Okay, so, so, so first day of shooting, um, I am, uh, in a scene and it's the scene where I'm supposed to be beating Jennifer Aniston up on the couch.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  Right? And, and, uh, you know, it's the first scene of the day.

• 1:24:25Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  And Brad Pitt is in the room.

• 1:24:30Bill Maher?

  Oh, they were married.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, he was in the room.

• 1:24:33Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  And, uh.

• 1:24:36Bill Maher?

  I'm tense just hearing, listening to the story.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  And, and so, so, and action.

• 1:24:46Bill Maher?

  But you must, you must have rehearsed it.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I, it's fucking Jennifer Aniston. So you know what I'm saying? I'm like, you're like, bro, I'm not.

• 1:24:52Bill Maher?

  But you did rehearse it.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, we did rehearse it, but it was like, you know, I was, you know.

• 1:24:58Bill Maher?

  Now, now they have intimacy coordinators, but.

• 1:25:01Speaker 01

  No, but, but, but then, but then the story gets a little better. So, so, so then, uh, the director says, comes over to me, says, you know, she's full on crying and like, this is like going against all, I'm like, uh, I'm fresh into acting. You okay, like, I'm like, like, this ain't something I'm doing all the time, right? And so like, as I'm doing these movies, like, this is a strange thing for me. So, um, so now the director comes over and she looks up to me, she has tears, she's full on in, right? She's, it's okay, you can, you can, you can get rough. I'm like, oh, fuck.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  I'm like, oh fuck, oh fuck. You know what I'm saying? And so, and so he's like, he's like, okay, yes, you, you, you bitch, you must say bitch. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh shit, okay, let me, uh, let me channel my inner Ike. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:25:49Bill Maher?

  This, uh, this, this story is fraught with problematic tension in every possible way.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  So we do the scene and then, you know, that's what's in the movie. And then, and then it was, it was like, that was my first day on that set. So I'll never forget it. The second, the second thing I remember about that, about that movie was my, um, my dad, my dad was on set one day and it was the, it was, it was the scene where we had to get in a fight at the end of the movie. We were running up and down the halls and, and we fight in the room. Uh, and then Clive Owen pulls out a gun and shoots me like at the end of the fight. And so, um, and so I have these squibs on, like a chest full of squibs. It takes about, you know, 40 minutes to set these things up. So, um, uh, quiet on the set, first shot, everybody's pumped, everybody's ready to go.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Okay, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, hit the door, we're fighting, do, do, do, do, do, pulls the gun, da, da, da, da, da, da. I'm on the ground. Dead silence. My dad. Oh, how unfortunate.

• 1:26:55Bill Maher?

  You're kidding?

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:26:57Bill Maher?

  He said those words?

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  Exact.

• 1:27:01Bill Maher?

  Well, that was better than anything in the movie.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 1:27:04Bill Maher?

  That's.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  So y'all, so y'all sort of, then, then, then, then it's quiet again. Cut. Who the fuck was that? Who the fuck was that? And so, and so, and so, so my dad was like, oh, I was like, dad, you can't, you know, please go talk to your father.

• 1:27:24Bill Maher?

  So he yelled at the screen before it was even on the screen.

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  Yes. Oh, how unfortunate. I was like, you know, I'm still in it. So I'm like, oh my God. Dad.

• 1:27:38Bill Maher?

  But did it ruin the take?

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  It did. So, so, so we had to reset. Then we did the scene. It was, it was, it was, it was good. It was good.

• 1:27:47Bill Maher?

  Well, I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to get to know you. Okay, so I hope you will come back to this place, whether the cameras are on or not.

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  I will, you know.

• 1:27:59Bill Maher?

  You live in this area?

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  Uh, I go back and forth between Vegas and here.

• 1:28:03Bill Maher?

  Vegas?

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:04Bill Maher?

  Wow. Yeah, we had a fire here. I don't know if you heard. And I thought, next time there's a fire, I'm going to Vegas.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:28:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, because like, I know people who, you know, we're going to Palm Springs or whatever. You know, and it's like, okay, well, good luck getting a hotel when everybody's bugging out. Also, I love Palm Springs. I've been there many times. But, you know, it's nothing to do. It's a million degrees and it's only gay people and old people. I mean, I love both. I love both groups of people, but, but Vegas? I was like, oh no. You know what? If I had to cool my heels in Vegas for a week, I think I could do that.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not bad.

• 1:28:54Bill Maher?

  There's shit to do there.

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  You gotta stay off the strip. Stay out the fucking casinos.

• 1:28:57Bill Maher?

  No, that's where I wouldn't. What are you talking about?

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  He said no.

• 1:29:01Bill Maher?

  I might as well go to Palm Springs.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. But eventually that gets old.

• 1:29:08Bill Maher?

  Well, not, great restaurants don't get old.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 1:29:11Bill Maher?

  And I wouldn't go to The Club.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:15Bill Maher?

  I'm not, I'm not going there, but, you know, there are, man, I was at, Bruno Mars has a club there. You know that?

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a lounge, right?

• 1:29:30Bill Maher?

  It's, yes. It's, it's great because.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  Do one more of these with you.

• 1:29:34Bill Maher?

  Yes, because Vegas needs.

• 1:29:38Bill Maher?

  More things like that. Things that are not exactly the big shows, which are great.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Right. But have the experience of like.

• 1:29:46Bill Maher?

  But later, later at night, but that's, that's not a nightclub.

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:50Bill Maher?

  I'm not going to a nightclub with a zillion decibels. Oh my God, are you crazy?

• 1:29:58Bill Maher?

  No, and this was plenty loud, but you could talk. And it was like a, a great live band and it played like stuff from all eras. You know, it wasn't just today.

• 1:30:13Bill Maher?

  That kind of stuff is, is what I, and you're not, you know, you're not going to get that everywhere.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  No, you know, it's, it's good, you know.

• 1:30:20Bill Maher?

  But why, why do you live in Vegas?

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  Oh, just, you know, just needed the space really, you know, just getting away from.

• 1:30:28Bill Maher?

  But you could have picked San Bernardino.

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Well, it was better to go all the way to Vegas.

• 1:30:36Bill Maher?

  I mean, I didn't mean to press you on this.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Bill Maher?

  But come on, man. I mean, if you go to Vegas, of all the places you could go, I think you want to be near the Strip sometimes.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, I've had my time on, on the Strip.

• 1:30:49Bill Maher?

  I mean, it is.

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  I've had my time on the Strip, don't get it wrong.

• 1:30:52Bill Maher?

  It's fun.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, but I, I've, I mean. It's time to work, you know? Yeah, it's time to work.

• 1:30:57Bill Maher?

  Well, next time I'm in Vegas.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:00Bill Maher?

  We'll, um, stay off the Strip.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:31:05Bill Maher?

  But if you.

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  No, I'll go, Bill, I will go hit the Strip with you.

• 1:31:09Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  No problem, no problem.

• 1:31:10Bill Maher?

  We're gonna hit the Strip.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 1:31:13Bill Maher?

  Great.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Thank you, man, appreciate it, man, thank you.

• 1:31:15Bill Maher?

  So much.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:31:16Bill Maher?

  Excavant, everybody, the new album drops when?

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Uh, March 29th.

• 1:31:21Bill Maher?

  March 29th?

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:24Bill Maher?

  Is it February that has 28 days? Yeah, okay.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  Thanks, sir. Appreciate it, man.

• 1:31:31Bill Maher?

  That was so much fun.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:31:37Bill Maher?

  And Woody Harrelson?

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Yes, I do, I do, I want to come out.

• 1:31:41Bill Maher?

  I can make that happen.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  Woods, man.

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