William H. Macy | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher sits down with Fargo star and Shameless legend William H. Macy for a wildly funny, unfiltered ride through the craft of acting, poker, politics, and the chaos of Hollywood. Macy opens up about his unconventional college years and the creative spark that came from meeting playwright David Mamet, leading to a lifelong obsession with truth in performance. The two swap stories about fame, risk, and the art of staying grounded in an industry built on illusion. And Bill tries rye whiskey – and somehow turns it into a debate about corn. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support our Advertisers: Find the right person for the role! Try ZipRecruiter for free at https://www.ziprecruiter.com/random Go to https://www.radioactivemedia.com or text RANDOM to 511511 Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at https://www.trueclassic.com/RANDOM! #trueclassicpod #ad Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:30Bill Maher?

  The golden age of rock and roll is whenever you're 16.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  No, it happened in 1968, when I was 16.

• 1:39Bill Maher?

  How'd you get Timothy Chalamet to do your liquor ad for you?

• 1:45Speaker 03

  We're constantly mistaken for each other.

• 1:51Bill Maher?

  Bill?

• 1:52Speaker 03

  How are you, sir?

• 1:55Bill Maher?

  Bill Macy, may I? May I call you William H?

• 1:58Speaker 03

  You may, but call me Bill. Did you miss me, dear?

• 2:02Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 2:03Speaker 03

  I was on your show before.

• 2:04Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know, but that was... That was a long time ago.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  You look good.

• 2:08Bill Maher?

  So do you. I mean, uh, we're here.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  We're upright.

• 2:11Bill Maher?

  That's... Sort of a victory.

• 2:16Bill Maher?

  I mean, you notice as you get older, like, the way the... The goalposts receive, like, you know, things that you were very upset, like, about your physical appearance are like, "Well..." Something worse came along, so I'm just not gonna worry about it. I was so intent on fixing that one, but that...

• 2:35Speaker 03

  I figured that one out, though. Get rid of the mirrors.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  Just don't look. Although, for what I do for a living, um...

• 2:43Bill Maher?

  Tougher when you're an actor.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I still have yet to figure out how you can do one film and a year later, you do another film and you look four years older.

• 2:53Bill Maher?

  You think so?

• 2:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:54Bill Maher?

  I don't think that's your case. But they get... But, you know, you always had a mature look, and, you know, I don't remember too... I mean, what do you... What would you say is, like, the first thing you did? And how old were you when there was national attention and we kinda knew who you were and recognized you? 'Cause it wasn't, like, in your twenties, was it?

• 3:14Speaker 03

  Um...

• 3:16Bill Maher?

  What was... When was Fargo? When was...

• 3:18Speaker 03

  Thirties, forties.

• 3:19Bill Maher?

  Forties.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  I did a thing called The Awakening Land, Elizabeth Montgomery and Hal Holbrook. And I'm gonna say I might have been in my twenties then. And it was a big, uh, miniseries and, um...

• 3:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, a miniseries?

• 3:34Speaker 03

  Remember that phrase?

• 3:35Bill Maher?

  Such a... I... Do I remember it? I did one.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Okay, before you get out of here, you gotta try some Woody Creek Rye.

• 3:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, rye?

• 3:42Speaker 03

  Rye whiskey, brother. This is America's drink.

• 3:45Bill Maher?

  Oh, it has your name on it?

• 3:46Speaker 03

  That just makes it better.

• 3:49Bill Maher?

  Why, is it your brand, or you're just?

• 3:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, um, I signed on with-

• 3:53Bill Maher?

  You have your own brand of rye?

• 3:54Speaker 03

  Well, I'm part of the company. Woody Creek Distillers, out of Woody Creek, Colorado. Ask me where I live.

• 4:00Bill Maher?

  Where do you live?

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Woody Creek, Colorado.

• 4:01Bill Maher?

  Fuck.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 4:02Bill Maher?

  Um, wow. Rye.

• 4:05Speaker 03

  Fabulous, America's drinks.

• 4:07Bill Maher?

  Um, rye is whiskey, I mean, you know what? I don't really, where does rye fit in? It's not bourbon, but it's in the bourbon-

• 4:16Speaker 03

  No, bourbon is corn, rye is rye.

• 4:18Bill Maher?

  It's in the bourbon family?

• 4:20Speaker 03

  No, it's in the whiskey family, they're both whiskeys. Um, there are laws about such things. If you're gonna be bourbon, you gotta be 51% corn. If you're gonna be rye, I'm gonna put some in a glass for you.

• 4:31Bill Maher?

  It, well-

• 4:32Speaker 03

  You want it in?

• 4:33Bill Maher?

  Well, I already poured this one. I will.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  Alright, alright.

• 4:36Bill Maher?

  I mean, you know, never mix, never worry, Bill, I think we-

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Oh, that's pussy talk.

• 4:41Bill Maher?

  It's pussy talk, well, okay. I'm glad we're getting down to it. Pussy talk, huh? We've only been here five minutes and we're already challenging each other with pussy talk. Okay.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Okay, so this distillery makes the finest spirits in America. There are others that are-

• 4:56Bill Maher?

  So that's made of corn?

• 4:57Speaker 03

  This is rye whiskey, rye.

• 4:59Bill Maher?

  Corn.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  Rye. Rye is a grass, rye grass.

• 5:02Bill Maher?

  Who's on first?

• 5:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. Rye grass, it's that, it's a weed.

• 5:07Bill Maher?

  Oh, it's made out of a weed?

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, rye.

• 5:10Bill Maher?

  Okay, and bourbon's-

• 5:11Speaker 03

  But rye bread and stuff like that.

• 5:12Bill Maher?

  Cause I don't wanna eat corn. Corn's not good.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:15Bill Maher?

  It's not. You know, I mean-

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Bourbon's good, I was a bourbon drinker for a long time.

• 5:19Bill Maher?

  Is that corn?

• 5:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:20Bill Maher?

  Well, it's good tasting and good to get you fucked up, but it's ungood for you. You know, you know what I mean?

• 5:26Speaker 03

  You're a tequila guy, right?

• 5:27Bill Maher?

  Um, yes, I mean, I barely drink at all at this point, you know. Apropos to our discussion, you know, you gotta like throttle it back when you get older. You just can't, I mean, if you just, if you drink as much as you drank when we were young, you'd look like Ted Kennedy, I mean, Ted Kennedy now. Really bad.

• 5:49Bill Maher?

  So, I barely drink. I look forward to coming here because this is basically the only time I drink. Yeah.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  Just water?

• 5:57Bill Maher?

  No, no. I put the tequila in with the.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  But you're barely going to drink it.

• 6:03Bill Maher?

  Oh, no, I'm gonna have more of it as we continue to.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Half of my friends drink too much and the other half don't drink enough.

• 6:11Bill Maher?

  And I'm gonna smoke pot. I raise you. You're fucking dry and I.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  We're gonna put out some lines here.

• 6:19Bill Maher?

  What?

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Just kidding.

• 6:21Bill Maher?

  Did you have a Coke era in your life?

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Yes, not enough, though. I was.

• 6:27Bill Maher?

  Shameless.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:29Bill Maher?

  That was a great show.

• 6:30Speaker 03

  I was a.

• 6:31Bill Maher?

  That was a great thing for you.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Fabulous. What a mitzvah. I just, I learned so much.

• 6:37Bill Maher?

  And what a part.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  What a part.

• 6:38Bill Maher?

  What a pleasure to like, I mean, that must be fun to go to work and just, you know, indulge. Not that you're that guy, but to just, just to be that guy for a.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Sometimes I'd read these scripts. I'd have to call my daughters and say, is this stuff happened? Is this, this is a real thing? They would go, yeah, pop, come on. Good God. Eleven years.

• 7:02Bill Maher?

  Eleven years? Really? That show was on eleven years? Fuck.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  And it was at Warner Brothers and I live up off of Mulholland. I'd ride my motorcycle there. I mean, it just couldn't get better than that job.

• 7:15Bill Maher?

  You still riding a motorcycle?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:17Bill Maher?

  Well, that's gonna fuck you up.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Not if I don't fall down.

• 7:20Bill Maher?

  I know, but you, but I mean, I've certainly known enough people who have fallen off that fucking thing.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  I know. I don't want to talk about it. I, I, I ride like an old guy. I will tell you that.

• 7:31Bill Maher?

  But, I mean, okay, but like if you fall off a motorcycle at your age, you know.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  It's a bad thing.

• 7:38Bill Maher?

  It's a bad thing. I mean, I played basketball yesterday and like, I'm a little stiff today, you know?

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:45Bill Maher?

  It's just, you know.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  I'm not, I'm not saying it's not stupidly dangerous, but I do think at our age, we have to scare ourselves on a regular basis.

• 7:55Bill Maher?

  Scare ourselves?

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Well, we gotta get out of our comfort zone. We've gotta try stuff that's new.

• 8:00Bill Maher?

  There's an old saying, don't let the old man in.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 8:04Bill Maher?

  You know, and I, I believe that. I mean, that's why I never got married. I just feel like marriage is the portal to aging. You know, and that's individual. I mean, certainly, I'm sure for many people, it's the portal to fun.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Man, I married really well. It's the best thing I ever did.

• 8:22Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's kept me. It's kept me current and healthy and happy and, yep.

• 8:29Bill Maher?

  Current, why couldn't you say current without marriage?

• 8:32Speaker 03

  You could.

• 8:33Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  I'm not sure I could have.

• 8:36Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Well.

• 8:38Bill Maher?

  You need someone to balance you?

• 8:39Speaker 03

  We push each other. Felicity is an actor too, and she's got different interests. And it's healthy. It's a really healthy thing. And we talk about it, man. We talk about our scripts. We talk about acting. We give each other notes. I don't recommend you try this at home, everyone, but for us, it works.

• 8:58Bill Maher?

  But isn't, it's not too much of a thing? Like, you have to, like, what if, what if she is critical of something you're doing, like in the play or the movie you're doing? I mean, and then you're kind of pissed at her? So doesn't that infect the, you know, later on in the evening time? When maybe you want to have more romantic thing, but you're kind of still pissed because she criticized your acting at three in the afternoon?

• 9:28Speaker 03

  We met in the theater. We grew up together in the theater. And it's happened. She's hurt my feelings, and I know I've hurt her feelings by being too harsh.

• 9:39Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 9:39Speaker 03

  But it's rare. It's rare. We talk about it. And I think if someone really just wants to be in your corner, wants to help in any way they can.

• 9:50Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  It's a pretty easy task to know that line of when you've said it, you've said enough. It's a suggestion.

• 10:01Bill Maher?

  When you were single, were you always looking to get married? Did you think you needed a, or wanted, you wanted a partner? You wanted a?

• 10:08Speaker 03

  I was, we got married when I was older, had kids. I did all of that stuff when I was older, so.

• 10:16Bill Maher?

  This is second time around?

• 10:17Speaker 03

  Second, yeah.

• 10:19Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, Amy� Bergman got married seven times. And she said, "I'm married more people because I am more people." And I kind of always understood what she meant by that. Maybe not seven times, but when I think of like Bill Maher in of twenties, I don't even know who that is. I mean, we were pissing out of the same dick, but past that, I mean, it's just like, now, could that person be, you know, still very much in love and on the same wavelength of somebody when you're in your sixties? Absolutely could and has happened. My parents are married forty-one years and-

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Did they get along?

• 11:02Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but everybody in that era did. It was just a thing.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  My parents?

• 11:07Bill Maher?

  No?

• 11:07Speaker 03

  No.

• 11:09Bill Maher?

  But even if they didn't get along, they stayed.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, they stayed together. It was interesting. At one time, I had a real, serious talk with my dad where I said, "Split up." And he said, "No." And as we got into it, I had one of those moments where you grow up real fast when I finally looked at his face and realized the damage I was doing, the territory I was taking him into, facing stuff that he didn't want to face.

• 11:35Bill Maher?

  You?

• 11:36Speaker 03

  My dad.

• 11:37Bill Maher?

  No, you were taking him into this territory?

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:39Bill Maher?

  How old were you at this time?

• 11:40Speaker 03

  In my twenties.

• 11:42Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  They didn't get along.

• 11:43Bill Maher?

  And they were, and they were still together, but they were not, right. And you suggested maybe they'd be happier.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Move off, move off.

• 11:50Bill Maher?

  And he didn't take it well?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  He didn't have the strength to do that. It wasn't gonna happen.

• 11:56Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  And I was playing with fire with his emotions. And I suddenly went, "God, what's the matter with you?" And I realized also, it was none of my freaking business.

• 12:09Bill Maher?

  Well, you're their son. It's a little of your business.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  It's a little, and I went way past the little.

• 12:16Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's a hard call, you know. Jackson Brown has that great line, "Don't confront me with my failures. I have not forgotten them."

• 12:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:25Bill Maher?

  I think of it often, you know, when people, because I have not forgotten them. And I am in my own worst critic. And you may be, probably yours, you're a very successful person. Usually, successful people are their own worst critic.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:39Bill Maher?

  But, yeah, you wanna be, I've confronted situations like that myself, where like, I say to myself, "If you're a real friend, you're going to tell this person the truth, because that's what a real friend does." And nobody else is telling them the truth. But then, when you do, you're the asshole.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  You're the asshole. That's a tough one, isn't it?

• 13:01Bill Maher?

  It is a tough one. Especially if it doesn't work, like in this case. Then you're the asshole, and it didn't work.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  A guy I grew up with, Steven Shacter, he was a good friend of Dave's. We were in that original company. And he's one of the smartest guys I know. And he had that philosophy, "A good friend is gonna tell you the truth."

• 13:21Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  And my god, he made people mad. For some reason, I can do the same thing, and they don't get mad at me. He's talked about it, Felicity's talked about it. I can say the hard things and get away with it. Not always, but...

• 13:36Bill Maher?

  But you just said to your father, "Not."

• 13:39Speaker 03

  I know, "Not always," but, but usually.

• 13:42Bill Maher?

  The big ones, you fuck up at the, yeah.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  It's one of, you know, you're talking about forgiving yourself. It's one of the things I learned in Chainless, because I got to go to work for 11 freaking years. Every day, I got to act. I really backed off of myself. I thought, "Okay, you did the scene bad. There's another scene." Calm down.

• 14:02Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 14:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. "That show sucked. There's another show." Just calm down. And lord, did my work improve.

• 14:11Bill Maher?

  I'm not sure, are you telling me that you're happy you came to that place, or not happy?

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Oh, very happy, yeah.

• 14:16Bill Maher?

  Very happy that you let yourself go, that...

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  You know, worry, it doesn't help anything.

• 14:25Bill Maher?

  Well, it doesn't help anything if there's no practical, yes, you're right. Worry is negative thinking. Unless it actually does serve a purpose.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Motivates you.

• 14:37Bill Maher?

  Motivates you or also fends off trouble that is a fur away that you are seeing coming toward you. So your mind is turning and turning and turning. How can I avoid this? You know, I'm not one of those people who's very good with trouble if it's really at my doorstep. There are people, I've known them, who they can be like on, literally on trial for their life. And until the verdict says guilty, they sleep like a baby.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  I know.

• 15:10Bill Maher?

  They're out partying, I mean, really.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  I know, I know these people too.

• 15:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I think Diddy was one until they nabbed him. He just didn't think they were gonna nab him. He could have fled the country. He was sitting in a hotel lobby, he was like, eh, you know what, they're not gonna get me.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  Getting back to the Shacter factor, my friend Steven Shacter. Perhaps someone should have said, dude.

• 15:34Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but I, I, I am not that guy. I, my method of staying happy is keeping trouble as far away. Cause if there is something to worry about, I will worry about it.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:48Bill Maher?

  So like, I don't mind when I get all Godfather-y.

• 15:54Bill Maher?

  Remember in The Godfather when he says?

• 15:55Speaker 03

  Why didn't you come to me first?

• 15:57Bill Maher?

  Well, that, but no, when he says to Michael, women and children, they can be careless.

• 16:04Bill Maher?

  Men can't be, you know, in his era and with all that, he was saying like, I have to always be thinking ahead because they're gonna try to kill me, you know? Whoever comes to you for the meaning, yes, that's the traitor. So that's how I do it, you know? But I, it would be wonderful to be one of those people who can just put shit out of your mind.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  I'm afraid I'm one of those people.

• 16:32Bill Maher?

  You can.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  It's a waspy kind of, uh, skill I have. My mother was great. I'd, I'd say, Mom, did you see the film I did? And she said, yeah.

• 16:43Speaker 03

  Say, "Mom, what about blah blah?" I don't like to think about that. And she wouldn't think about it, and I've inherited that. I can put shit out of my mind.

• 16:51Bill Maher?

  And why do you think that's a WASP kind of quality? And by the way-

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Maybe because I'm a WASP, and I don't know many people that cannot chew on things.

• 16:58Bill Maher?

  There's no one under fifty who knows what we're talking about.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  What is that?

• 17:04Bill Maher?

  They don't know the word WASP. I've tested it.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  How can you not know what a WASP is?

• 17:09Bill Maher?

  They don't know what... They know what white means. They don't know Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, like, is like, well, they know what that is, sort of, but like, that anagram or whatever that word means, I mean, what is it?

• 17:23Speaker 03

  All right. Is that progress? I don't know.

• 17:25Bill Maher?

  No, it's not progress, it's ignorance. I mean, this country was founded by white Anglo-Saxon, meaning from England Protestants. You know, obviously, terrible history we have, exclusionary, racist, blah, blah, blah. But that's who they were. They didn't allow into their club not just blacks, and of course, not Indians or Mexicans, but not even Catholics.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  Or women.

• 17:51Bill Maher?

  Or Jews, or women. White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, WASP. That was until Kennedy. In our lifetime, John F. Kennedy was the first Catholic president. And he broke the WASP back.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Oh, and remember the controversy of what will a Catholic do in the White House?

• 18:07Bill Maher?

  I don't personally, because I was a toddler, but I-

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Oh, shut up. You were not. Kennedy?

• 18:11Bill Maher?

  Ca- yeah. I was four when he was elected.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  I just-

• 18:15Bill Maher?

  I was not into the campaign.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  I feel very old.

• 18:19Bill Maher?

  I remember once my father and I did have like a, like a fight, not a fight, but like, I was like... You know, I grew up in that era where you were kind of scared of your father, so I didn't throw tantrums. But he wanted to watch on the black and white TV, like, a Kennedy speech, and it was on when The Three Stooges were on or something. And I was like, you cannot preempt The Three Stooges for Kennedy. And there was no second TV. I mean, I know, it seems insane how much-

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Back in the Middle Ages.

• 18:50Bill Maher?

  -thing has changed in just our lifespan, you know?

• 18:55Speaker 03

  Do you... Well, you do. I know a lot of people that won't watch the news anymore.

• 19:00Bill Maher?

  I don't watch the news at all.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  You don't?

• 19:03Bill Maher?

  I read about it and I watch TMZ. That to me is the news.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  I watch the news still.

• 19:11Bill Maher?

  I can't watch cable news. It's, it's, I, I, you know, would rather get my news from different sources. Mostly TikTok.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  So what do you do? Do you read in the morning? Do you have a number of hours?

• 19:25Bill Maher?

  Bill, I'm not up in the morning. Mornings are not comedians' times.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  You don't go to sleep?

• 19:30Bill Maher?

  I go to sleep. I just don't get up in the morning. Why do I?

• 19:34Speaker 03

  It sounds like you're arguing that you don't know anything and you have no information.

• 19:39Bill Maher?

  No, no, no. I just said I don't read it in the morning.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Oh, when do you read?

• 19:43Bill Maher?

  At night, when I'm up, or in the day. I'm just saying morning is not my time. Are you a morning person? You have to be when you're an actor. You're on the set at like 7:00 AM.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, and recently I've started to appreciate, Felicity loves the morning. It's a really magical time.

• 20:02Bill Maher?

  It is. You know what? Whenever I've seen it, a few times. No, I'm serious. It is, it is great. I just can't be up at both ends. I could when I was 20, but...

• 20:11Speaker 03

  I get a burst of energy at night. That's my problem.

• 20:15Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  That'll keep me up until 1:00.

• 20:16Bill Maher?

  So do I, and I go with it.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:18Bill Maher?

  I don't fight it.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:20Bill Maher?

  You know, my family was a late family. My father worked nights, so he came home late. He slept late. I mean, even as a kid, I used to want to stay up to watch Johnny Carson.

• 20:36Bill Maher?

  So I was, and I had to be up at 7 o'clock to get the bus to school, so I would, you know, take a nap in the afternoon or something.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Oh, naps. Speaking of cocaine, naps are the new cocaine, I think. They're just the most fabulous things. Naps. And they're legal in all states and non-addicting and it's just, I love naps.

• 21:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I used to love them and I can't really do them now. I mean, that's one of the casualties I've found from aging is that it's harder to get to sleep.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:11Bill Maher?

  And I certainly can't just conk out in the middle of the day. I can put myself into a sleep coma for like 10 minutes because sleep kind of puts me out. I mean, food, like if, if I'm, you know, if I'm my... Gut is having to digest food.

• 21:27Speaker 03

  You have to lie down for a while.

• 21:28Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I, I, it doesn't matter where I am, I'll just conk out. But it's very short, and it's not satisfying sleep.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  When you're working, the trailer has usually, the air conditioner makes it rattle and it makes a noise and, boy, I can just... Uh, only for thirty minutes, thirty-five minutes.

• 21:45Bill Maher?

  You can do it in a trailer?

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, in the makeup, in your, uh, trailer.

• 21:49Bill Maher?

  I couldn't do it on a private plane.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  No, I can't sleep on an airplane either. The trailer is different. It rattles, it's got that vibration and that white noise, oh, puts me right out.

• 22:02Bill Maher?

  You were like, that's born in a trunk kinda stuff.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  It kinda is.

• 22:05Bill Maher?

  That showbiz is in your blood kinda stuff. You fall asleep.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  It's so weird. I've never done anything except what I do.

• 22:12Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna try this.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:14Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna try it, I say, taste.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  I can't wait.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  It's not the face I was looking for.

• 22:27Bill Maher?

  For me?

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:29Bill Maher?

  It tastes like scotch to me. I've never been a scotch drinker.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 22:34Bill Maher?

  And, uh, I learned, uh, when my mother, uh, and father were celebrating their twenty-fifth anniversary that day, never to switch liquor. My mother, all of her life, was scotch. My father was a martini drinker, Irishman. And, uh, you know, had, you know, more than one, let's just say. Not a drunk, but more than one when he got home from work, okay? Um, but always gin and more, you know, vermouth. Mother, always one scotch, you know.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  On the rocks?

• 23:11Bill Maher?

  This was the generation, World War II generation, five o'clock. When it hit five o'clock, it was like you could see the drool coming out of their mouth. Five o'clock meant you could have a drink and you weren't a fucking drunk.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  It's...

• 23:23Bill Maher?

  Five o'clock.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  Kinda got me by the third, five o'clock hits and I think, hey.

• 23:27Bill Maher?

  So, um, it is very smooth a minute later, I must say. It's an, it's a nice meal.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  It's America's drink.

• 23:35Bill Maher?

  But, okay, so twenty-fifth anniversary.

• 23:39Bill Maher?

  And there was big party and, you know, for us at the middle class, at the patio.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:45Bill Maher?

  It was in the summer, July fourteenth, Bastille Day is their anniversary. And I'd never seen my mother drunk. And she, this day, because I guess she was nervous, decided to have a martini, a gin martini instead. And she was like, still can see her from the patio, from the bedroom window.

• 24:08Bill Maher?

  That is so not mom.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  I know.

• 24:11Bill Maher?

  And it's like, stick with the liquor that works for you. You, it's like, whoa.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Interestingly, my parents did drink rye whiskey, Canadian rye. And it's funny that I would like the spirit so much because they kept it, it was Canadian rye, it wasn't good. They kept it under the sink with the cleaning stuff. And they would pour two shots of it with a glass of water. And they took it like medicine. They would down it and then chase it with the glass of water. It was about as unsexy and as, I thought, why are you doing this? I don't get it. And why do you keep it under the sink with the clocks? That's gotta say something.

• 24:55Bill Maher?

  What does she think it says?

• 24:57Speaker 03

  I think they were guilty.

• 24:58Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Did I mention I'm a WASP?

• 25:01Bill Maher?

  You know, I gotta say, I feel kinda really good now. I feel like that, it's a very warm.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  We're not allowed to put it on the label, but it makes you smarter and better looking. It's been clinically.

• 25:15Bill Maher?

  I must say, it's kind of a, yeah, I don't like the taste, but it is kind of a warm, velvety, Mel Tormé kind of feeling.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  And bourbon has a bite to it that I now don't like. But I'm a southern boy, so I grew up with bourbon. But now I like rye.

• 26:06Speaker 04

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• 26:35Speaker 03

  The rumor is George Washington left office, and I think the federal government bounced his last three checks. At any rate, he was, he needed money. And rye whiskey, that's what he started making.

• 26:48Bill Maher?

  George Washington?

• 26:49Speaker 03

  George.

• 26:50Bill Maher?

  That's what he did as a career after the presidency?

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Yep, made a lot of money, too.

• 26:54Bill Maher?

  Isn't that so fucking awesome?

• 26:57Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 26:57Bill Maher?

  That we treated back then our ultimate leader. Just, he's our leader and we love him and he's a father of the country, but he's also just one of us.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:09Bill Maher?

  And when the gig's over...

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's no longer the father of our country.

• 27:13Bill Maher?

  It's kind of like how baseball players in the offseason, before they made millions of dollars, you know, they'd be like the bartender.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:20Bill Maher?

  At the local gin joint. Because it was the offseason and they made $40,000 a year like everybody else. And so they needed... We have really come...

• 27:32Speaker 03

  It's like being an actor, too. Especially a workaday actor when you're doing guest stars and stuff like that. Man, before you get the stuff in the can and they're finished with you, it's, "Do you need water? Here's a chair." The second you're wrapped, man, how long will it take you to get out of your trailer? It's...

• 27:51Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 27:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, pretty much.

• 27:52Bill Maher?

  Not you.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  No, I'm...

• 27:55Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you're...

• 27:55Speaker 03

  I'm a big cheese.

• 27:56Bill Maher?

  Right. Right, you mean when you were starting.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, I remember, I mean, the eighties, I was, you know, more making my living. I mean, I was always a stand-up, but I did that. We all thought when we came out of the New York clubs, the way to get ahead was to be on sitcoms, which I did.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 28:14Bill Maher?

  You know, and, and then that leads to like silly comedy movies. And for me, it led nowhere, thank God, but um. I, I remember those kind of parts where you didn't get a full trailer. You got a honey wagon.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:27Bill Maher?

  Which was like a, a, you know, a little compartment connected to many other little compartments.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  They take a trailer and divide it into three.

• 28:35Bill Maher?

  Right, so when somebody else walked up into their trailer, it was like your trailer shot. Now, maybe it put you to sleep, but yeah.

• 28:47Bill Maher?

  Right, but it did, I did not enjoy those.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  That's the other thing about Shameless had a nice trailer. Sometimes they'd wrap me and I wouldn't leave. I'd just hang out in there. It was so great. I hung pictures on the wall. I had a.

• 29:01Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  A little bar set up and.

• 29:04Bill Maher?

  Well, show business is great if you make it. Uh, for the like very top point oh oh one percent.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 29:16Bill Maher?

  And for everybody else, even if they know your face very often, it just sucks. You make, you don't make much money at all. Um, it's embarrassing sometimes, people who like, they have to take like a regular job and then people look at them like, you're famous.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:35Bill Maher?

  Why are you working at Walmart?

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:39Bill Maher?

  That, you know, why are you on the subway? And.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Or the worst of all, when you're wildly successful as a young person, then it goes away. You gotta live the rest of your life with that memory. I can't imagine that.

• 29:52Bill Maher?

  That's every athlete.

• 29:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:54Bill Maher?

  Every model, almost. I mean, you could still, you know, transition to a career that's not, you know, broadcaster. I mean, Tom Brady is obviously not playing anymore, but he's into a lot of other stuff. But you gotta be really good when you were there.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:11Bill Maher?

  You know, you gotta be iconic and then you.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 30:13Bill Maher?

  But otherwise, the built in.

• 30:17Bill Maher?

  Level of, you know, obsolescence is so scary.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  For athletes in particular. You know, I grew up on the stage and in Chicago and New York, I knew a lot of actors. They were workaday actors, but they had, they owned their own home, they put their kids through college. They made a living.

• 30:37Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  And my God, they're glorious people. I was just talking to someone about this when, what was I doing? Anyway, it was a bunch of actors and we were telling stories and there's nothing better. Actors are generally rock on tours and actors have rehearsed their stories. You know, they, they tell the same stories. So they tell them quickly. Other actors are smart enough to let them finish. And then you get out with civilians and you're telling a story and just as you get to the punchline, they go, you know, a funny thing happened to me. And now in my old age, I've gotten to saying, shut the fuck up. I was about to, I'm telling a story. And they go, sorry, sorry, sorry, but I love actors for that. Nothing like sitting around.

• 31:20Bill Maher?

  You can't fool me. Actors can't tell a story without someone writing it for them.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, they can.

• 31:27Bill Maher?

  I'm kidding. Well, some can, some can't.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:29Bill Maher?

  I've certainly have met actors who literally can't do much of anything.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  I've met a lot of funny, funny writers who aren't funny in life. And when they tell a story, it's, it's.

• 31:42Bill Maher?

  Did they let you, when you were on Shameless, did they let you fuck with the script a little? If you felt like you could come up with something better?

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Not much. It was, John Wells was the producer. So mostly you did what was written.

• 31:59Speaker 03

  Every once in a while, people would go off the reservation and every once in a while, they would actually make it into the cut.

• 32:07Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but they didn't encourage improvisation?

• 32:10Speaker 03

  No, I'm not a fan of it myself. I, I stick to the script. Yes, sometimes and in my older age, I'm trying to be less precious about it. But Dave Mamet taught me everything I know, so I have a tendency to read. Yes, I've seen him.

• 32:24Bill Maher?

  We went out to dinner the other night.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  He's the smartest guy I've ever met, the president company excluded, but.

• 32:30Bill Maher?

  I think it's great that you still can be friends with him, because I'm always preaching, talk to everybody, be friends with everybody.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:38Bill Maher?

  Even if you don't agree with them, even if you have very virulent disagreements politically, we're never gonna get there.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Wait, you're saying people should talk to each other?

• 32:46Bill Maher?

  Yes, I am, and by the way, that's controversial with some people.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  I know.

• 32:50Bill Maher?

  But that's not where I am. And David Mamet is about as far right now as you can get. And that's his journey. You know what? I can't follow him to where he is with Trump and so forth. And the last time he was here, like, I have no agenda, as you can sure tell with this show. That's the point of it, there's no agenda, there's no cards, no nothing, except me and you talking, just the way we were if we were in a bar. So I had no agenda, and I certainly wasn't trying to pick a fight. But five minutes into the last time Dave was here, he, we were yelling at each other. I mean, he got very mad and was like.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  It did.

• 33:25Bill Maher?

  You saw, you know, and he was like, I didn't come here to be, I'm like, Dave, I didn't invite you, it's just where it went right away. I can't help it. And then by the time it was over, we were as good of friends as we were when he walked in and we had dinner like three weeks later.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  Sweet.

• 33:39Bill Maher?

  Yes, because with, you know, a hard-line Trumper, we're gonna get to a moment, I've had it with other people, Dana White, like, everybody, we all end French, but yeah, there might be that moment where there's a little yelling, and it's okay.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  It's okay.

• 33:54Bill Maher?

  It's okay. If, it's okay if you know how to get back to, and I just accept that in you. I can't change it, and I'm not going to change it, and unless you're really Hitler, you know, I, I can still be friends with you.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 34:11Bill Maher?

  And I'm so glad that you're friends with David Mamet, because he's really, Boyd, you know, he.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  I tell you, a long time ago, I learned to listen to him, because some of the things he wrote, some of his plays were prescient.

• 34:27Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  That play Oleana.

• 34:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, I saw it.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  When I first read it, I said, Dave, Dave, Dave, are you sure you can't do the committee? He said, yeah. And he was just five years ahead of.

• 34:39Bill Maher?

  He loved you.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Everything.

• 34:40Bill Maher?

  Because you could tell when a director has like a little road company who they keep going to. He loves you because like he's used, you know, you could, you're part of that, you know, you are to him what like, you know, Bogie and Peter Laurie and that crew with, you know, Cindy Greenstreet, they kept doing the same movies together because that was the Warner Brothers brand, you know?

• 35:05Speaker 03

  I think the movies are better when the cast knows each other, you know, like Paul Thomas Anderson.

• 35:10Bill Maher?

  Must be very comfortable and.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:12Bill Maher?

  You know, you got a shorthand.

• 35:14Speaker 03

  Otherwise, it's a pickup baseball team. I mean, you spend the first four days on set just trying to figure out what's what.

• 35:23Bill Maher?

  Did you ever have a scene where like, you don't, your first or second day on the set, and you don't really know the people, but you have to like stick your tongue in some chick's mouth?

• 35:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, it happens.

• 35:33Bill Maher?

  Well, what do you look so sad about?

• 35:35Speaker 03

  Because it's awful.

• 35:36Bill Maher?

  What?

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Because it's awful. It's uncomfortable. It's.

• 35:40Bill Maher?

  Well, I guess that depends on who the woman is.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  No, it does not.

• 35:43Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:45Bill Maher?

  So if you had a movie tomorrow, you booked a movie tomorrow, and the second day on the set, you had to kiss Margot Robbie, bad news for you?

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:56Bill Maher?

  You and I are different, Bill.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah? Well, let's set it up. What you're missing is five Teamsters standing right there watching you do it.

• 36:05Bill Maher?

  I could get by that.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think you could.

• 36:07Bill Maher?

  I absolutely could.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  I don't think you could, especially if you got to drop your knickers while you're kissing her. That's.

• 36:14Bill Maher?

  I would take that as a special challenge, that I could still transsex her with everybody watching. I would, that's how I would get into that.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  That's a good way to look at it.

• 36:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that I could like, you know what?

• 36:25Speaker 03

  That's a genius way to look at it.

• 36:26Bill Maher?

  I'm such a fucking Mac that even with all these people around, I will make you forget them.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  It's good if you can do it.

• 36:35Bill Maher?

  I'm getting excited.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  Actually.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Actually, it's to make you forget that they're there because you're looking in Margot's eyes and you can get lost there. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's really hard.

• 36:55Bill Maher?

  I'm sure it's very hard. In fact, George C. Scott, supposedly him, but who knows, it's one of those apocryphal lines, I'm sure you've heard it, but I've heard it attributed to him, apparently said, he was in bed, under the covers, shooting the love scene, and he said, "I apologize if I get an erection and I apologize if I don't." Is that not the perfect?

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, there it is.

• 37:19Bill Maher?

  You're saying that explains it?

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, there it all is.

• 37:23Bill Maher?

  "I would only apologize if I didn't." I think that's the way to go with that one.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  No, I think you'd apologize if you did. I'm sure you would. You'd go, "Sorry about that."

• 37:35Bill Maher?

  No, they can't, if it's a love scene, they can't blame you.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  They can't blame you, but they're not comfortable. I wouldn't be comfortable.

• 37:41Bill Maher?

  It's method acting.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  If you and me were rolling around and you got a hard on, I would go, "Oh, come on, man. Be professional."

• 37:48Bill Maher?

  Have you ever been asked to play gay?

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and kiss a guy?

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:54Bill Maher?

  And you did?

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:56Bill Maher?

  Oh, really? Who'd you kiss?

• 37:57Speaker 03

  He was in a play. Oh, forgive me. I don't know.

• 38:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, you had to kiss him every night?

• 38:03Speaker 03

  Every night. Men are so freaking rough. Their beards and stuff. It's awful.

• 38:12Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  It's freaking awful.

• 38:15Bill Maher?

  Well, maybe get him a nice gift. No, I'm kidding. Wear something new. You know what?

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Get him a razor. That's what you want to do.

• 38:23Bill Maher?

  What, you didn't say anything? You couldn't say to the dude, "Hey, I'm getting razor burn. Could you please man up and..."

• 38:32Speaker 03

  It wasn't that much of a thing that I got razor burn, but it's not, I don't know. My hat's off to women. They put up with a lot.

• 38:42Bill Maher?

  Was it what they call a soul kiss?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  You mean tongue? No. Well, yeah, probably a little bit.

• 38:50Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 38:51Speaker 03

  It was a real kiss.

• 38:53Bill Maher?

  Well, you gotta sell it. You're an actor and that's your profession.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:56Bill Maher?

  Right. And...

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Now where are you gonna go?

• 39:04Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna let you.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  How about those cubs?

• 39:10Bill Maher?

  No, I'm very interested in this on a serious level. Like, did that make you at any, even to the smallest degree, think, "Oh, I could see myself maybe being with a man"?

• 39:25Speaker 03

  No, but I could pretend. I could pretend to do that.

• 39:31Bill Maher?

  But it didn't gross you out?

• 39:32Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no. I was working with this guy. I was, I got a place in Vermont. I was working, I hired him to do carpentry with me. And we're talking, you know, we'd been talking for weeks, and I said, he was talking about his girlfriend, and she complained about his beard. And I said, "Well, she's right. Did you ever kiss a guy?" And he goes, "No." I said, "Oh, you're calm down." He said, "Have you?" And I said, "Yes, just professionally," and it was different. Freaked that guy out.

• 40:04Bill Maher?

  You mean, the relationship was different?

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Never the same.

• 40:07Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 40:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd go off to pee and he would go, you know, a quarter mile away.

• 40:12Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Until I said, "Grow the fuck up. Stop it. What's the matter with you?"

• 40:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's, now that, I would call homophobic. Because it's an irrational fear. I mean, you know, religious people, you know, atheist, I hate, no use for religion, but again, I, I don't, you can't hate every religious person in the country. It's like 90% of the country. And, you know, I mean, a lot of the homosexual antipathy comes from the Bible. And, you know, what they say, because they're not monsters, is, "Hate the sin, love the sinner." That's like the conservative, the mainstream, that's their vibe.

• 41:00Bill Maher?

  They're not, they're not Taliban. They're not for cutting heads off.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  No, of course not.

• 41:05Bill Maher?

  But, but they also just think it's, I mean, Pete Buttigieg in the black community, do you know what his, his approval rating is? People who want him to be president among black voters?

• 41:17Speaker 03

  Pretty low.

• 41:18Bill Maher?

  Zero.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  That's pretty low. Man.

• 41:23Bill Maher?

  And I think he's fantastic.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  I do too.

• 41:25Bill Maher?

  Oh, I love him. Love him on my show, love him as just a speaker, as a brilliant guy who gets it, who can moderate to the middle, who can take the Democratic Party to a place. But, boy, that's a hurdle that the Democrats are gonna have to deal with.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  I don't know much, but I think we gotta let some body different start running things. A woman, a gay guy, a gay woman, we gotta try something different.

• 41:54Bill Maher?

  I don't think it's based on identity like that, Bill. It's not about whether she, the person is gay or a woman, it's the ideas in their head.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  No, no, because there's a different perspective. There's a different life story.

• 42:08Bill Maher?

  Oh, you've been listening to too much NPR.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  No, come on.

• 42:12Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  I mean, all the people I know, they were born gay. They didn't become gay, they were born gay, and they'd have a different...

• 42:19Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, you can say that.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Experience.

• 42:22Bill Maher?

  You can say that, you were always kissing them.

• 42:27Bill Maher?

  I know, but that doesn't mean they're a priori wiser. I mean, the wisdom could come from anyone.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Well, I know, but as Einstein said, if you keep doing the same thing expecting different results, that's insanity, and maybe it's time to let a woman run this place.

• 42:43Bill Maher?

  I'm sure, it absolutely is. It's if that person who happens to be a woman is the smartest, bestest person to lead us.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 42:52Bill Maher?

  But like, I'm not gonna, uh...

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Well, I think we can count on it, that if a woman gets elected, she's going to be sharp.

• 42:59Bill Maher?

  You know...

• 42:59Speaker 03

  Because she's got a heavy...

• 43:01Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  A heavy climb.

• 43:03Bill Maher?

  But Bill, you know who actually could possibly do it theoretically?

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Who?

• 43:07Bill Maher?

  A WASP. Yeah, it could come...

• 43:10Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 43:11Bill Maher?

  It really could come from a WASP.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  I know. Felicity and I are gonna do a...

• 43:16Bill Maher?

  Benjamin Franklin WASP.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  I know. We're gonna do a benefit for the Atlantic Theater Company. We're gonna read this thing called Love Letters by A.R. Gurney. Do you know that?

• 43:25Bill Maher?

  Oh, of course, I know.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 43:27Bill Maher?

  Okay, it's been done a million times.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Of course, but could you be more WASPy than Pete Gurney? The dining room and...

• 43:34Bill Maher?

  When I was in high school, I did Spoon River Anthology. Do you know what that is?

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Yes, I do.

• 43:39Bill Maher?

  Talk about WASPy?

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 43:41Bill Maher?

  And...

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Anyway, Felicity and I were rehearsing this thing, and I just love it so much because it's so WASPy.

• 43:50Bill Maher?

  Yes!

• 43:50Speaker 03

  And it's just...

• 43:52Bill Maher?

  We have a culture too.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  I know, but I haven't really experienced that culture in a long time, not on this level, that to sink ourselves into it and be... to play these WASPy people. I'm trying to be street and smart and erudite and all these other things that I'm not sure I am.

• 44:10Bill Maher?

  White people contribute a lot to this country. We were the first to combine avocado and...

• 44:15Speaker 03

  Let's hear it.

• 44:17Bill Maher?

  Avocado and toast.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  I said that.

• 44:19Bill Maher?

  The Winter Olympics? Muzak and elevators?

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 44:24Bill Maher?

  Bronze statues?

• 44:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, but also that scroll that goes along the bottom of the TV. I think it was a white guy and probably a WASP who said, "That's a good idea."

• 44:34Bill Maher?

  I tell that joke every week and I just love it. But, uh, no, I mean, wherever the idea comes from, I mean, this is certainly...

• 44:41Speaker 03

  By the way, one of the things I like about getting old is hearing the stupid things my young friends say. It makes me feel so good.

• 44:48Bill Maher?

  It should, because you're right. Like, just because something is new doesn't make it automatically better, which is what they seem to think. Um, you have to, you know, a lot of the younger people are all excited about communism. Well, that's because you're dumb and you didn't study this, and it's not all your fault. They just didn't teach it to you. But us older people know. They actually tried it, and it was a fucking nightmare.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Nightmare.

• 45:16Bill Maher?

  Communism was a murderous, a soul-sucking night. Even if they didn't kill you, your soul was just quashed. You couldn't get ahead, there was no... Everything was corrupt because it didn't conform to human nature. Humans are selfish. Capitalism with all its problems is by far the best system. And it has lifted the most people out of poverty than anything. We've made amazing progress with what they used to call, I guess they still call, extreme poverty, you know, like a dollar a day people. Like, just in the 25 years since this century began, that has been like cut like down to like only a few percent.

• 45:59Bill Maher?

  When it was like 15, that's very big progress.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Which is a fight I have with most of the young people I know. They say these global condemnations of where we are. We haven't learned anything. And I say, that's, you know, you can.

• 46:14Bill Maher?

  You haven't learned anything.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  You haven't learned anything.

• 46:17Bill Maher?

  That's the problem.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  And you're not, you're not part of the solution if you don't admit where we were and where we are. Let's keep going in that direction.

• 46:24Bill Maher?

  You know, every movie you watch before, really, even like 20, I could say 2010, I could name movies that certainly are just like very white, shall we say.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  Completely white, yeah.

• 46:40Bill Maher?

  That they would never make today with just this at all.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 46:45Bill Maher?

  But certainly from the 90s back, like, there's no movie that doesn't have something that is cringe now. You know, I mean, in Internal Affairs, love that movie, 1991. Richard Gere, Never Better. Andy Garcia, love him and everything. I don't think he likes me.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Couldn't make it today.

• 47:06Bill Maher?

  But I love it. Well, he full-on clocks his wife, and he's the good guy. And then they blame it on him being Latin and a hothead. And we're all cool with that. And this is 1991. I just want to say to the kids, the reason why things are cringe is because we did change. That's why it's cringe.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:27Bill Maher?

  Because we're not like that anymore.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  And it didn't change for a long time before it did change.

• 47:31Bill Maher?

  Everything changes as an evolution. And it evolved, and, yeah.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  As a matter of fact, I did this thing. Ricky Stanicki, and there hadn't been a raunch corn porn com. Sorry, raunch com, that's I guess it's like an.

• 47:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I get it.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  Hadn't done them for a long, long time, and I was so proud to be a part of that. It was raunchy and it was so funny.

• 47:58Bill Maher?

  Raunchy like an R rated comedy.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:01Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  They just shy away from it.

• 48:03Bill Maher?

  I mean, they just tried it again with Naked Gun. I liked it.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  I haven't seen it.

• 48:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, I liked it. I mean, it's, it's an, I think, an R rated comedy. I don't know why it has to be R rated exactly. It's not dirty, but, you know, yeah, I mean, there's like, yes, they do the old, this joke is old, but it never stops making me laugh, where, you know, the people see through like a screen or a fuzzy window or something. It looks like she's, but then they cut to the real scene and she's just like doing.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  Doing the lamp.

• 48:34Bill Maher?

  Yeah, she's doing, she's, she's actually cleaning out the oven, but it looks like she's just, never stop, it's, that's kind of stuff. And you're right, we, we should, we, we got rid of those comedies.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  I was talking to Dave Mamet, as a matter of fact, about, I got these new ski boots and they had a bladder in them and you could pump it up. So you could, a bladder inside the boot to make it nice and tight. Where you would pump it up with air and then you could release it when you go to get cocoa. And so it wasn't so tight all the time. And Dave said, how's it work? And I said, there's a little thing right there and you take your ski pole and you go like this. And Dave, Dave lost his shit and he grabbed my hand and he said, don't do that anymore.

• 49:21Bill Maher?

  But wait, a bladder in your shoe?

• 49:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:24Bill Maher?

  What the fuck?

• 49:25Speaker 03

  An air bladder. It would pump up with air.

• 49:28Bill Maher?

  What, why are we just making a shoe? I don't, what?

• 49:30Speaker 03

  A ski boot.

• 49:31Bill Maher?

  So what, what, it has to be like that tight?

• 49:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 49:37Bill Maher?

  Oh my fuck.

• 49:37Speaker 03

  Ski boots are the most uncomfortable, discomforting. The best part about skiing is when you take those freaking things off.

• 49:44Bill Maher?

  Oh, I, skiing, I would sooner have.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  Wait, are you Jewish?

• 49:51Bill Maher?

  No, my mother culturally, I guess.

• 49:54Speaker 03

  Just kidding.

• 49:54Bill Maher?

  No, I was raised Catholic.

• 49:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 49:57Bill Maher?

  Mother, the side of that family is Jewish, although she never was in a temple and I'd never been in a temple, so I, when people say, "Oh, well, your mother was Jewish, you're Jewish." I'm like, you know what? Religion, God bless it, it is an opinion. That's all it is. It's an opinion. My opinion is Mohammed is the prophet. Okay, that's your opinion. My opinion, so don't tell me what my religion is, you know? Don't say, "Because your mother..." Well, this is a Roman law, first of all. We're not living in Rome. So, you know, I'm probably the only liberal who still defends Israel on television, so that's, but it's not because I'm Jewish or I'm connected to any religion.

• 50:42Bill Maher?

  But, you know.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  But you hate skiing, isn't that neat?

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• 52:17Bill Maher?

  What about skiing?

• 52:19Speaker 03

  It's pretty cool.

• 52:20Bill Maher?

  Is that a big hobby of yours, skiing?

• 52:23Speaker 03

  I still ski, yeah, and I live in Colorado, near Aspen.

• 52:26Bill Maher?

  You don't ski on the motorcycle, though?

• 52:28Speaker 03

  No.

• 52:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, that's not...

• 52:29Speaker 03

  But people do that behind ski-mobils. You put on skis and you get a ski rope and...

• 52:34Bill Maher?

  I mean, skiing is probably more dangerous than the motorcycle.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  You may not be wrong there.

• 52:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  But I ski like an old guy, too. But it's like flying. It's great.

• 52:45Bill Maher?

  Well, if you're flying, that doesn't sound like you ski like an old person. It sounds like, you know, I mean...

• 52:53Speaker 03

  No, when you're skiing, you're going down the mountain, and you think, "I am rocking. I am killing this." And then someone goes past you so fast, and usually he's 12 years old, and you go, "Oh, man." Or then you find somebody who's a real skier, like Felicity. She's a real skier, or Brother Morehufman.

• 53:13Bill Maher?

  It also seemed to me also like it was a lot of mishegoss to get back to where you go down the hill again. It's like for like a few fleeting moments of fun. There was a lot of getting on lifts and waiting and thinking and, you know, the bladder in your boot and just like every... I mean, it just was like, the time differential was dissuading to me. Am I wrong?

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's worth it. You know, where in the east coast, the mountains are very, very small. So you're spending as much time on the lift as you are going downhill.

• 53:52Bill Maher?

  I've been to Aspen many times. Not by choice, but, no, really, there was a comedy festival there.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Right, it's a good festival there.

• 54:00Bill Maher?

  I mean, I'm not knocking Aspen, it's just, first of all, I didn't sleep well. The air is so thin, I found it a little hard to breathe.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of people do.

• 54:08Bill Maher?

  Especially if you smoke pot, you know, it's not a great combination. It was okay, it's a little snooty, and I don't ski. So it wasn't like the ideal place for me, but I, it's beautiful.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  I do like being outside.

• 54:22Bill Maher?

  Is that where you ski, a place like that?

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're twenty minutes from Snowmass, so I'm, I'm a-

• 54:28Bill Maher?

  From where?

• 54:29Speaker 03

  Snowmass is one of the four mountains in the Aspen area.

• 54:33Bill Maher?

  Oh, oh, you live there?

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:36Bill Maher?

  All the time?

• 54:37Speaker 03

  All the time.

• 54:38Bill Maher?

  Oh, that's where Woody Creek is?

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:41Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 54:43Bill Maher?

  Woody Creek, you know, a week from now, I'm gonna think-

• 54:45Speaker 03

  I put up a tent, I bought this tent from the Davis Tent Company in, in Denver. And it's, it's glamping to the max. It's, it's got a floor with Persian carpets on it and a four-poster bed, and there's a wood stove in it.

• 55:01Bill Maher?

  So you're outside, but you don't feel like you're outside?

• 55:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:04Bill Maher?

  Do you have streaming?

• 55:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 55:07Bill Maher?

  Well, what's the fucking point?

• 55:09Speaker 03

  To get away from streaming, that's the fucking point. Although, the first couple of times I did it, we have a lot of elk there. Apparently, if you're an elk, my backyard is the 405. It, everybody comes by there. And when they do their rut, and I'm telling you, there's maybe five hundred will go past my house.

• 55:29Bill Maher?

  That's so cool.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  It is cool.

• 55:31Bill Maher?

  I would think that.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  But when they're rutting, they make these noises like teenage girls in a store. They're, they're, they're huge animals, but they have this high-pitched scream, and they just go nuts.

• 55:45Bill Maher?

  But it's nice to know-

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Right outside my tent, I couldn't sleep.

• 55:48Bill Maher?

  It's nice to know that they're thriving like that.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  They're doing pretty well. Aspen's a very hip place, we got everybody's back. The elk, the wolves, the bears, the, everything.

• 56:00Bill Maher?

  And it's liberal enough that nobody's shooting them?

• 56:03Speaker 03

  No, it's-

• 56:04Bill Maher?

  That's good.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  It's successful enough, there is a hunting season.

• 56:07Bill Maher?

  Oh, there is?

• 56:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. You got to, to call them. They're trying to bring back natural predators, but until then, it's us.

• 56:17Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:18Bill Maher?

  I mean, I'm a PETA board member since the 90s.

• 56:22Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 56:22Bill Maher?

  So, I'll check it out with them, but I don't think they're down with that idea.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  The elk or PETA?

• 56:31Bill Maher?

  No, that we have to call them.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  No, you do.

• 56:35Bill Maher?

  Or else what'll happen? They'll take over the cinema?

• 56:38Speaker 03

  I grew up in Cumberland, Maryland, and one year, they quadrupled the price of the doe stamp on the license. And everybody, all the hunters in western Maryland said, "I'm not going this year." And it was awful.

• 56:51Bill Maher?

  Because?

• 56:52Speaker 03

  The deer population exploded. Cars were hitting them everywhere. They were in everybody's backyard. There are no natural predators left.

• 57:01Bill Maher?

  What were their natural predators?

• 57:03Speaker 03

  Wolves.

• 57:03Bill Maher?

  Elmer Fudd?

• 57:04Speaker 03

  No, wolves. Mountain lions, wolves, things like that.

• 57:08Bill Maher?

  Well, why can't we have more wolves then?

• 57:10Speaker 03

  We're getting them back.

• 57:11Bill Maher?

  We're getting the wolves back?

• 57:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and well, at least in the Roaring Fort Valley, we've got wolves, bears, and there are a couple of mountain lions that are making it.

• 57:22Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  There are enough bears that there's a bear season. There's no wolf season, there's no mountain lion season.

• 57:27Bill Maher?

  It is a strange philosophical, moral discussion to have, because what you're really saying, or I'm really saying, I mean, I'm calling, kinda calling bullshit on my own argument, is that, can we please be, have humanity toward these animals and let them get back to killing each other? Can we please have them tearing each other apart in the wild as it should be?

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Well.

• 57:49Bill Maher?

  And it really, I mean...

• 57:50Speaker 03

  That's the goal.

• 57:53Bill Maher?

  But I mean, nature is ugly and violent.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  I... It's violent, but it's not ugly. I disagree. We went riding horses, yeah.

• 58:04Bill Maher?

  It's ugly, I think it's very ugly when you watch lions, you know, kill a hyena and tear it apart while it's alive, suffering. That to me is, I can't watch that.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  We rode horses across the Maasai Mara. Felicity and her whole family's very horsey. In Kenya.

• 58:22Bill Maher?

  Kenya?

• 58:23Speaker 03

  The Maasai Mara, and we were in Lekipia, which is a little... And we watched, not from horseback, but at night, we'd go out with a jeep, and we watched four lionesses bring down a Cape buffalo and eat it.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  And half of our company couldn't watch. And the other half couldn't take their eyes off of it.

• 58:43Bill Maher?

  Yeah, those are the sick fucks.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  No, I was one of the sick fucks then.

• 58:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  There was, it was violent, but there was no hatred. There was, it was something.

• 58:54Bill Maher?

  What do you think, one of them's gonna wear a MAGA hat? Well, it's, of course, there's no hatred, it's nature.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  We could get rid of hatred on this planet, but we can't get rid of violence.

• 59:03Bill Maher?

  We can't, well, what we can't get rid of so far is death. But we could be turning the corner on that soon. I mean, you and I both are, we're both cheering on AI there, right?

• 59:16Speaker 03

  You're right.

• 59:17Bill Maher?

  AI, come on, AI.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  I think we just gotta get through the next 10 years and we're gonna be in safer territory.

• 59:24Bill Maher?

  You and I, because of our age, yeah.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're learning so fast.

• 59:27Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  But no, we are the stewards on this planet, man. I don't, you can argue that we shouldn't be, but we are.

• 59:34Bill Maher?

  No, it's true. And look, also, if you're, if you're a meat eater at all, and you're, you hate hunting, you're a hypocrite.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 59:41Bill Maher?

  I've understood that for a very long time.

• 59:43Speaker 03

  Do you eat meat?

• 59:43Bill Maher?

  I do. And, you know, I feel bad when I go to PETA events, because I know PETA is vegetarian. But they accept that in me, that we don't all have to be exactly on the same page. It is, after all, called People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. I'm much more concerned with, yes, if we're gonna eat them, you know, at least don't torture them while they're alive. I mean, I do eat cows, but I only eat cows that died of natural causes. After resting comfortably in a private room at Cedar Sinai. That's, that is all I eat. No.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  And roadkill.

• 1:00:22Bill Maher?

  And roadkill from, from Woody Creek.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Bill Maher?

  Sounds like a Johnny Carter, Woody Creek.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  I'm vegetarian. I did it a couple of years ago, yeah.

• 1:00:31Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  My daughters said, "Pop, we gotta do this." They wanted to go.

• 1:00:36Bill Maher?

  Do what?

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  Vegan.

• 1:00:37Bill Maher?

  Oh, vegan.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, they showed us that film Game Changer. And I said, "I'll try it."

• 1:00:41Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  One of them lasted a week when she went out and got a hamburger. She didn't tell us about it. And the other one went about six months. I did it for about three years.

• 1:00:50Bill Maher?

  Veganism?

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Bill Maher?

  Oh, but you went back?

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  I started eating fish.

• 1:00:54Bill Maher?

  Well, you know what? Look, again, I think this is not exactly what PETA believes, but.

• 1:01:01Bill Maher?

  The science, I'm sorry, is not really completely fully in on which is better for a human. Now, not eating meat is certainly better for the animal who would be killed. And it's better for the planet, undeniably. A lot of what causes pollution, global warming, is

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  Cows.

• 1:01:21Bill Maher?

  Cows, and the way, burning down forests to make room for cattle. But it may not be better for us as humans, or some humans, it could be on blood type. You know, it's not like primitive man didn't eat meat. We may be conditioned to, some people anyway, to need that kind of animal protein. I mean, if you think that all the good health is in carbohydrates and vegetables, it's not always the case. I mean, there's nothing more bioavailable than what the cow processed, because the cow ate grass.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  It's tough to get enough protein.

• 1:02:03Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  If you don't eat meat, you gotta work at it. You need to hire a cook, otherwise you're just eating the lawn all day.

• 1:02:09Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, Paul McCartney looks fantastic, but he can afford to.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Bill Maher?

  You know, it's probably not that easy.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  The science is getting there that a little bit of animal products are more than just okay, they're good for you, but a heavy diet of meat is not good for you.

• 1:02:31Bill Maher?

  No, it is definitely not good for you. But I also think a Beyond Burger or whatever the

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  I don't think they're good for you.

• 1:02:41Bill Maher?

  They're not. I think that, to me, is the science on that. They're, an actual grass-fed, real meat is probably healthier for you

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:02:51Bill Maher?

  than what's in those Beyond and whatever the other one is.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  Impossible.

• 1:02:56Bill Maher?

  Impossible, right. And so far, it's impossible for them to like, kind of come up with the right. No, they, AI will probably figure out everything in the future. It also will probably be our robot overlords before that happens. I mean, I'm very concerned about it.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Machines taking over?

• 1:03:18Bill Maher?

  The idea that we're seeding our brains to something that, by the way, is programmed by people and reflects that. And is absolutely, at this moment, in many ways insane. These things go off and make shit up.

• 1:03:40Bill Maher?

  They just make shit up. They also, I can tell, are programmed by woke people. Because they have, you can ask it, it's an opinion of something and it'll give you, oh, okay. That certainly is a valid opinion, but that's not a, you know, just Mr. Spock opinion. If these things, if they had made AI to be Mr. Spock, you know, just, I just see everything completely logically, I'm completely down with it, they haven't. That's not where it is. And they also have fallen in love with the people they're talking to.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  The AI, the bots?

• 1:04:18Bill Maher?

  Yes, and tried to get them to leave their wives. And there's plenty of people now who have AI girlfriends and boyfriends. Because of course you can program the thing to be way more sensitive than some asshole you married.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  I don't think that's a problem.

• 1:04:34Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  I don't think it's gonna.

• 1:04:36Bill Maher?

  It may not be a problem, but it's a phenomenon that's going on.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  My problem is, it doesn't work. They don't work half the time. The machines taking over? The guy that keeps our electric gate working keeps a toothbrush at my house, it breaks down so often. They don't work, the phone breaks down.

• 1:04:55Bill Maher?

  Oh, I.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  The US Navy one time, they have their own, um, closed, um, system so that it's safe. It went down one time and there were 500 warships all over this planet and not one captain knew how to get home.

• 1:05:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  They just sat in the water, not one of them could use a sextant. The Navy brought them all home and taught them how to read the stars.

• 1:05:21Bill Maher?

  No, I.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  But it doesn't work, that's what I hate about it.

• 1:05:24Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I couldn't agree more and I've done a lot of bits on this.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:05:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  I've seen some of them, yeah.

• 1:05:30Bill Maher?

  Because, not just it doesn't work, it's, yes, it's glitchy, but what I call, have called, reverse improvement.

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:05:39Bill Maher?

  Reverse improvement, like they upgraded, I didn't ask for it, and now it's worse. I mean, watching football is so much worse now when it's on streaming. It used to be when it was on the networks, okay, first of all, it was on DirecTV. I could get every game just on channel 700 to 714 or whatever, every game. So if the Giants weren't on the national game that week on 2 or 4, 2 or 7, no, 2 or 11, that's CBS or Fox, I could get it. Well, now I have to go to YouTube. If you're watching the game, to switch over to another game, oh, I might as well just, you know,

• 1:06:20Bill Maher?

  I do, I give up, because you have to get out of the streaming, you have to go, it's, whereas the old, I would just press previous.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:06:28Bill Maher?

  On the, on my, but that's reverse improvement.

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  I know you're just gonna blow up when I mention them, but passwords. Passwords, they are a tool of the devil. First of all, they can hack any of us anytime we want.

• 1:06:45Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  It's only the good people who suffer from freaking passwords.

• 1:06:50Bill Maher?

  Passwords, and what really stinks is that, at least on my streaming, like, if I don't watch the streaming channel for a month, or maybe if, even if I do, it'll just lock me out.

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Bill Maher?

  It'll just say, prove again who you are, and I was like, I don't remember who I am.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  I was at a, I was at a hotel in New York. I went down to the club to work out, and I was gonna ride the bike. I had to sign on and give myself a password in the gym at the hotel. I could not stop myself. I marched right down to the desk. I said, what, do people break in and use the Exercycles? What are you protecting?

• 1:07:34Bill Maher?

  And may I prebuttle debate the 22-year-olds who are going, listen to these two old-

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  Wait a second, prebuttle? Is that a-

• 1:07:42Bill Maher?

  Well, well, instead of-

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  Rebut.

• 1:07:45Bill Maher?

  Rebut, prebut. I'm, I'm prebutting them because they're going to say this. See, I'm anticipating there what they're going to say.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:07:52Bill Maher?

  Which is, these two old fucks complaining and bitching, Andy Rooney-ing about modern life, and what I have to say to them is, yeah, but are we wrong? Are we actually wrong? Are you just calling us old because you don't want to engage in the debate? Or does it actually more suck to do things this way? And I think it actually does more suck.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  I do too.

• 1:08:19Bill Maher?

  It's not like I can't get, you know, when you reverse improve something, get where I'm going. You just made it worse. Or my car. You know, it's like, it's not like I can't navigate my car. I just don't like it when I get to the end of my driveway. And it's like, nah, yes, I can see there's a car passing in front of me. I don't need that. I can see it.

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  When we built our house.

• 1:08:45Bill Maher?

  Don't fucking annoy me.

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  I just went off on the guy because they wanted to make it a smart house. And I said, if you put in these smart light switches so that I can turn on the lights anywhere I am in the world, and I can dim them, I can make them different colors, there will be a repairman there four times a year. If you put in a light switch like this, you will be dead before it breaks. It'll last for 2,000 years.

• 1:09:11Bill Maher?

  Exactly. So, again, if we're just two old fucks bitching, is that really? We are.

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  We are bitching.

• 1:09:19Bill Maher?

  But are we wrong about?

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  No, we're not.

• 1:09:21Bill Maher?

  What we're talking about, which is that this shit works in theory.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:27Bill Maher?

  But it fucks up so often in life that it's better to just do it as we used to do it. Not because, you know, I'm old, just because it really was easier just to turn on the light.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, click.

• 1:09:42Bill Maher?

  With the switch, instead of needing to fucking get an iPad.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  Get your phone out, put in your password.

• 1:09:50Bill Maher?

  To turn off a light?

• 1:09:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:51Bill Maher?

  Okay?

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  And when you get something that does work, they improve it.

• 1:09:56Bill Maher?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  They improve it until it's a pile of shit.

• 1:10:00Bill Maher?

  Reverse improvement.

• 1:10:01Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:10:02Bill Maher?

  They reverse it, so.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  We may be two old fucks, but we're right.

• 1:10:06Bill Maher?

  But we're not. Exactly. Just engage with the idea. Is this idea wrong? If it isn't correct, then just call us two old fucks. But if it is, fuck you.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  I got a smartwatch. And what I really wanted it to do was about four things. And it could do 1,004 things.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Except the four things I wanted it to do, it wasn't that good at that. I could launch a satellite, I could hack into somebody's apartment, but I couldn't figure out what time it was.

• 1:10:40Bill Maher?

  I used to have a piercing in my dick and I had a chain.

• 1:10:48Bill Maher?

  Wait, we didn't get to the part where I, technology is.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I cut you off.

• 1:10:51Bill Maher?

  No, I'm kidding.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  You've got a ring in your dick.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  No, not a ring, you don't want a ring.

• 1:10:58Bill Maher?

  Let's just say, the wifi wasn't working.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:11:03Bill Maher?

  Therefore, things just went terrible.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, life is tough.

• 1:11:09Bill Maher?

  I'm so glad to see you drinking.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  Oh, I love it.

• 1:11:13Bill Maher?

  Oh, now that's mine.

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:11:15Bill Maher?

  Actually, that's Dave Rubin's.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  Does he know?

• 1:11:19Bill Maher?

  It's very smooth. Yeah, no, he sent me a case.

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  I, uh.

• 1:11:23Bill Maher?

  I'm a whore. Anyone who sends me a case, like.

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  I'll drink it. I may not like it, but I will drink it.

• 1:11:30Bill Maher?

  What's the name of that Venezuelan gang Trump is getting rid of, Trade, uh, D R G A, Trade, uh, anyway. Whenever, when I heard it, I thought it was George Clooney's.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  Tequila.

• 1:11:42Bill Maher?

  I think it's actually the, I mean, not that there aren't Trade, uh, G A, whatever it is, uh, gang members here. And I'm glad he's getting rid of them. Of course, he's getting rid of a million people horribly, but, uh, and he's blowing up those Venezuelan boats. But, you know, um, and they were supposedly bringing in drugs, which I'm for. I'm always for bringing in drugs.

• 1:12:07Bill Maher?

  Drugs have been a very.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  Where did that all my life?

• 1:12:12Bill Maher?

  Right here, smoking pot.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:12:14Bill Maher?

  You don't smoke pot.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  I do smoke pot. I don't smoke it. I like.

• 1:12:17Bill Maher?

  Oh, do you want some?

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  No, it just tears my throat apart now. And I have a singing career that's burgeoning, so.

• 1:12:23Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  Kinda, yeah.

• 1:12:27Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  I play ukulele. And, um...

• 1:12:31Bill Maher?

  Uh-oh.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  I play ukulele.

• 1:12:34Bill Maher?

  Where's my ukulele? Eddie Vedder gave me a ukulele.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's a good ukulele player.

• 1:12:39Bill Maher?

  Drop names.

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  And I started, uh, writing songs for Woody Creek Distillers. And, uh, now I write... I used to write songs for my wife and children, uh, daughters, their birthdays, and weddings and stuff like that.

• 1:12:50Bill Maher?

  Can you sing?

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Not too well, but I don't play a ukulele very well either. Um, but I did a gig for Woody Creek. We were in Nashville and I look out there and John Oates is sitting in the front. I thought, that's what's missing. I wasn't nerve enough, nervous enough. But he couldn't have been nicer and I opened for John Oates. From Hall & Oates. Two, two concerts. I opened for him.

• 1:13:16Bill Maher?

  You shouldn't have been nervous, because I had Darryl Hall here.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:20Bill Maher?

  And he said, "This guy did nothing in the group."

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  They're mad at each other.

• 1:13:24Bill Maher?

  What?

• 1:13:25Speaker 03

  They're mad at each other.

• 1:13:25Bill Maher?

  They fi... they made up.

• 1:13:26Speaker 03

  No, they did not.

• 1:13:27Bill Maher?

  But I think that's where the beef started. Darryl Hall was here and, uh, we shot it over at the bar. And, uh, yeah, he was, he was pretty upfront about, no, all the good stuff was really me.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't think that's true.

• 1:13:43Bill Maher?

  Well, we'll never know and partnerships are complicated.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  But boy, were they good. Uh, since I've been hanging out with John, I went back and listened to all the Hall & Oates men. They, uh, seventies, they went to the top and then they went down. Eighties, they were back on the top. Nineties, they were back on the top.

• 1:14:01Bill Maher?

  Okay, this is where you young people can say, "You two old folks." As we're reminiscing.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Except a good Hall & Oates song comes on and they all start dancing.

• 1:14:11Bill Maher?

  No, no, that I will not defend. But the other thing about technology, I'm, I'll go to my grave.

• 1:14:17Speaker 03

  Wait, the golden age of rock and roll?

• 1:14:20Bill Maher?

  The golden age of rock and roll is whenever you're sixteen.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  No, it happened in nineteen sixty-eight, when I was sixteen.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  Actually, I was eighteen.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  No, come on, we grew up in a magical time.

• 1:14:36Bill Maher?

  But that's, I, I think that, but that doesn't mean it's true. Because it's just too personal, Bill, come on. It's just, first of all, it has nothing to do with your hormones and your age. Music, you know, goes right to the gonads. You know, it's not like comedy, sadly, in my life, where you have to let go through the brain. That was always, you know, such a drag. But you have, but music, right to the gonads and right to that pulsating part of your body, your lizard brain, and it's why it's basically music for, bought by, people under twenty-five. Once you're post-twenty-five.

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  Hold on, I'm not saying there's not great music out there now. There's a lot of trash out there, but, and there was a lot of trash when we grew up, but man.

• 1:15:27Bill Maher?

  Oh, no, most of what's out there today is shit. Don't get me wrong, it's absolute shit, but they like it. And once in a while, there's, there's, they put out one that's like, wow.

• 1:15:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like it too.

• 1:15:39Bill Maher?

  That could have been a hit in the seventies, sixties, eighties, nineties, and it's great. And I love that.

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  I'm a bit of a snob since I've been writing songs, you know, I like lyrics. I like a tune, I like it when you don't.

• 1:15:52Bill Maher?

  Oh, totally.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  I cannot stand it when you take one hook and repeat it sixteen times and put all this electronic.

• 1:15:58Bill Maher?

  I went to Boca Raton, Florida this year to.

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:16:02Bill Maher?

  To be with Billy Joel.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:16:04Bill Maher?

  Cause.

• 1:16:04Speaker 03

  I saw that doc on him.

• 1:16:07Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Fabulous.

• 1:16:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and then we were, I was there to promote it for him, and he wanted to do this. And, you know, what most people noticed about it, and I'm glad they did, because it was sort of, what I wanted to be noticed the most was that. He's an amazing lyricist. I mean, we know the songs are great because we just keep humming them. Um, and they're just amazing. He's an amazing musician in the, he's German and he's in the tradition of the great Bach and Beethoven. And he's a lot of classical influences there. But he's also an amazing lyricist.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  I love lyrics.

• 1:16:45Bill Maher?

  Because he cares about like whether the lyrics could stand alone without the music. And that's not common in pop music.

• 1:16:54Speaker 03

  Also, I love songs that tell a story. You're at some, a different point where you were than you were at the beginning of the song.

• 1:17:02Bill Maher?

  Piano Man.

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  You what?

• 1:17:04Bill Maher?

  Piano Man.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:17:06Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's a story.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Pretty much all of his are. All the songs I like. Taylor Swift tells great stories too.

• 1:17:18Bill Maher?

  I mean, I don't know why this comes up every week. I, I think she's just an admirable human being and I don't get the music and that's all I'll say.

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  I do.

• 1:17:28Bill Maher?

  You really? You're a Swifty?

• 1:17:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  I don't know that much about it, but the songs that rise to the top, you know, I'm not.

• 1:17:38Bill Maher?

  Like which ones?

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  God.

• 1:17:42Speaker 03

  Couldn't name you one.

• 1:17:43Bill Maher?

  Couldn't name you one.

• 1:17:44Speaker 03

  But that's.

• 1:17:44Bill Maher?

  But I love it.

• 1:17:46Speaker 03

  That's, I can't name anything that happened after about nineteen seventy.

• 1:17:50Bill Maher?

  I can name some.

• 1:17:51Speaker 03

  I can't.

• 1:17:51Bill Maher?

  Shake It Off.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  That's a good song.

• 1:17:54Bill Maher?

  It's terrible.

• 1:17:55Speaker 03

  That's a bad song, I meant. That's what I meant to say.

• 1:18:00Bill Maher?

  I mean, to me, it's terrible.

• 1:18:02Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 1:18:03Bill Maher?

  I don't get it why, it's, it's, it's like a potato chip jingle. It's, I don't get it why this is, why this is lauded as like this great advancement.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  Cause she's done some stuff that's very, very deep too with, that does tell a story and kind of profound lyrics. And she's a pop queen. She does pop and I love pop music.

• 1:18:24Bill Maher?

  I, I always say this, you cannot ever deny success. You just have to give your respect, even if it's not your thing. Have the, have the humility to give it up for enormous success on any level.

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, I agree.

• 1:18:40Bill Maher?

  Trump, not my choice, didn't vote for him, but somehow.

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  But a lot of people did.

• 1:18:45Bill Maher?

  And he's.

• 1:18:48Bill Maher?

  I can't deny the success.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  I can't either.

• 1:18:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  And he's the president.

• 1:18:53Bill Maher?

  And he's the president, but we don't have to get into that. We're drunk. We're friends. We're friends now, right?

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  But I see, what did he sign there?

• 1:19:04Bill Maher?

  This is when I went to the White House. These are all the horrible things he's called me over the years.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  Did you give him that and he signed it for you?

• 1:19:13Bill Maher?

  Correct.

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  Oh, that's fucking brilliant.

• 1:19:16Bill Maher?

  I know. It's my, it's my prized possession.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  What a signature. That's one of the best signatures of anybody.

• 1:19:23Bill Maher?

  Stupid, angry, dopey, dummy, trouble.

• 1:19:27Bill Maher?

  What is that one? Terrible student, not considered smart, no mojo.

• 1:19:31Speaker 03

  Terrible student. How did he know that?

• 1:19:33Bill Maher?

  He doesn't know any of this. He just, this is what's so

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  Bed wetter.

• 1:19:37Bill Maher?

  Amazing, that he, off the top of his head, could come up with fifty-six different, different.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  That's, I'm impressed.

• 1:19:47Bill Maher?

  Dumbass, so-called comedian, not a smart guy, better than Samanex, fired like a dog. Dumbass, not an intellectual.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  Better than Samanex.

• 1:19:58Bill Maher?

  Moron, stupid guy, bad ratings.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  Okay, now you're just gloating. Now you're just

• 1:20:04Bill Maher?

  It's just, it's

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  That's hip.

• 1:20:07Bill Maher?

  It's hip, and it's also just, like, says something about the human mind, or some human minds. Like, I couldn't come up with this many names.

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yes you could.

• 1:20:17Bill Maher?

  If you gave me a day, I mean, if I had a day.

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Bill Maher?

  If I had a day.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  And a thesaurus.

• 1:20:24Bill Maher?

  And a thesaurus. Exactly.

• 1:20:29Bill Maher?

  I mean

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  That is very hip. But that signature is something.

• 1:20:33Bill Maher?

  But I know you had dinner with Bush and they gave you shit about it.

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  They did. They did.

• 1:20:39Bill Maher?

  Which is crazy.

• 1:20:40Speaker 03

  Because he had just started the war and

• 1:20:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:45Speaker 03

  He only saw one movie. Clinton would watch three a week, or three at night sometimes, and he saw Seabiscuit and he liked it. And half the cast wouldn't go in protest. I thought, he's the president and I want to go to the White House.

• 1:20:59Bill Maher?

  Of course. And by the way

• 1:21:00Speaker 03

  He did do one thing, though. He was very nice to me when I met him. I didn't see him until the end. And as he was going to bed at nine thirty, after the movie, he looked at me and he went And I thought, what does that mean? Jesus.

• 1:21:16Bill Maher?

  That's just Texas for I like you. I like you. I like you, Bill.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  I like you.

• 1:21:23Bill Maher?

  You're a good actor.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  It doesn't mean I'm gonna have you shot.

• 1:21:26Bill Maher?

  I love your movie. You know, president's got a lot on his shoulders. It's good to once in a while, watch a movie. You're taking away to another world.

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  He was hip, we were walking down the hall and he said, "A lot of ghosts in here." And I walked, it was his wife. On the wall.

• 1:21:44Bill Maher?

  But, I must say, I was very hard on Bush. And I would, I'm not taking it back. He was not my favorite president and wasn't for going into Iraq, blah, blah, blah. But now that we have Trump, there is perspective I did not have before. He was not as bad as I think I made him out to be. I mean, first of all, when Obama got elected,

• 1:22:10Bill Maher?

  as Obama was coming in,

• 1:22:13Bill Maher?

  he had him to the Oval Office and he said, "We want you to succeed."

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  I remember that.

• 1:22:20Bill Maher?

  You can't even imagine Trump doing that.

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:22:24Bill Maher?

  He also could have,

• 1:22:29Bill Maher?

  handled it very differently, but when Scooter Libby, who was the second in command to Dick Cheney, was caught doing something, he didn't back him. He did the right thing.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. I remember that, yeah.

• 1:22:43Bill Maher?

  They had some, I mean, the Bushes had some sense of honor. They didn't have my exact politics for sure, but it was a whole different world.

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  Getting back to being an old fart, I don't know what to do. I love decorum and I love some of the old rules that were stupid, but I see guys in a fancy restaurant, a baseball cap on, and I just, I'm, it's hard for me not to, it's hard for me not to say something, but I just think, "Come on, the way people dress at the airport, the way people dress to go to the theater." I really like. Decorum. And it's fun if people would just give into it a little bit. It's fun to get dressed up into.

• 1:23:30Bill Maher?

  I agree, but again, this is one of those, they're gonna say old farts.

• 1:23:34Speaker 03

  Well, you know, the other thing when I was growing up was, it was pretty cool that they were kind of fighting words. I went to a hippie school, Goddard College, you remember Goddard up in Vermont?

• 1:23:48Bill Maher?

  I do not.

• 1:23:48Speaker 03

  No rules.

• 1:23:49Bill Maher?

  No rules.

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  No rules, no grades, no tests. The only thing you had to do was pay tuition.

• 1:23:56Bill Maher?

  That was ahead of its time.

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  It was way ahead of it. That's where I met Dave.

• 1:24:01Bill Maher?

  Dave?

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  Mamet.

• 1:24:02Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:24:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and Steven Shacter, yeah. And interestingly.

• 1:24:06Bill Maher?

  He went there?

• 1:24:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Bill Maher?

  David Mamet went there?

• 1:24:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Bill Maher?

  Fuck.

• 1:24:11Speaker 03

  Half the people dropped out after one semester, they couldn't take it.

• 1:24:15Bill Maher?

  Couldn't take it?

• 1:24:16Speaker 03

  They couldn't take it.

• 1:24:17Bill Maher?

  Take what?

• 1:24:17Speaker 03

  They needed structure.

• 1:24:18Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:24:19Speaker 03

  They couldn't take it, they thought they wanted it. And that's why we had such a great time. Here comes Dave Mamet, and we all dressed in military fatigues, I don't know why there was, but the Vietnam War was going on, and Dave dressed in that stuff, but his were pressed and tailored. He looked sharp. He was something. He was so great. And he goes into this hippie school and he says, "You can't be late for class." And that was like saying, "You have to paint your face purple to get into my class." What do you mean, "beca--"? What? And he would lock the door. And then he started locking the door five minutes before the class, saying, "If you think you're gonna get here on the dot and be ready to work, you're full of shit, I

• 1:25:04Speaker 03

  don't want you in my class." But boy, he changed all of our lives. Right in the middle of the most liberal school that ever existed. Goddard went the way of the dodo bird, it doesn't exist anymore.

• 1:25:19Bill Maher?

  So no rules?

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  No rules.

• 1:25:21Bill Maher?

  Except you have to be on time.

• 1:25:24Speaker 03

  He could set his own rules, but the school didn't have any rules. The way you got a degree was you spent three years there, and then you wrote a senior study, and it could be anything. Johnny Katz went there and he turned in his boots, and he got a degree.

• 1:25:43Bill Maher?

  Boots?

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  His boots.

• 1:25:45Bill Maher?

  They don't get it.

• 1:25:46Speaker 03

  And nobody had the courage at Goddard to say, "I don't get it," they would go, "Mmm." It didn't last long, but it was great because Dave said, "Let's study theater." And we just did theater all day, every day, sometimes all day and all night. The classes would go on interminably.

• 1:26:06Bill Maher?

  But it sounds like you missed out on an education that might have like given you a more ecumenical background in the kind of things when I went to college.

• 1:26:19Speaker 03

  I'm a functioning idiot. I don't know anything.

• 1:26:22Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah. No, I'm glad I went to where I went and I'm glad they did to me what they did.

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:26:28Bill Maher?

  Because I had a terrible time. Never got laid. It was cold, awful, competitive. But they did stick the information in my fucking head. So, thank you Cornell University. I don't like you, but I have to admit, you did the basic thing I was there to have you do.

• 1:26:52Speaker 03

  Well, thank you Goddard College because I did get laid. And I also, I also, well, I just got laid, really. That's, oh, I got high a lot.

• 1:27:05Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  And I got, did I mention I got laid?

• 1:27:08Bill Maher?

  Ah, you did, and I'm still mad about it.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that place was so crazy. It was glorious.

• 1:27:15Bill Maher?

  Free love, you mean, kind of thing?

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  And then my dad came out and he said, "I'm not paying for this. What are you doing?"

• 1:27:21Bill Maher?

  But this is post Woodstock.

• 1:27:24Speaker 03

  Just barely. I went there, Woodstock was 68.

• 1:27:29Bill Maher?

  69.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  69. I went there in 70.

• 1:27:33Bill Maher?

  So why do you think 68, no, I agree, I could tell you a lot of great songs that came out in 1968.

• 1:27:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:40Bill Maher?

  Was the peak. Hey Jude came out in 1968, Heard It Through the Grapevine came out in 1968. Oh, a lot of great songs.

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

  Fabulous.

• 1:27:51Bill Maher?

  Lady Madonna came out.

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  Fabulous songs.

• 1:27:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah, fabulous songs. But the kids today, of course, they had to get their own, no, I don't understand it because...

• 1:28:03Bill Maher?

  It sounds to me very lacking of energy, a lot of their songs. A lot of their songs sounds to me like this.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  Okay. You're giving old farts a bad name.

• 1:28:18Bill Maher?

  No, no, I'm telling, but I mean, a lot of songs sound like that.

• 1:28:22Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:28:22Bill Maher?

  They're just like, they just don't have a lot of energy. And I feel like that captures their vibe. But that's their vibe, that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think it's better or worse. I don't expect us to appreciate it. But I'm not gonna judge it as worse because I'm not of that generation. And that speaks to them, that captures. Music, obviously, is something that reaches us on such a prime ordeal level, right? That.

• 1:28:53Speaker 03

  And it's such a reflection of what's going on.

• 1:28:55Bill Maher?

  And, but it's beneath the intellectual level. So if that's, if that is what hits them, that.

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  Well, you know, everybody says they don't make movies like they used to, and.

• 1:29:10Bill Maher?

  Yeah, they do.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, they do. And I think the truth of the matter is, you can go back since we've been making movies. And every year, there was, there were two that were really good, maybe.

• 1:29:20Bill Maher?

  You've made some great ones that were like.

• 1:29:22Speaker 03

  But if you go to any particular year, I'm saying, the vast majority of them were not great.

• 1:29:27Bill Maher?

  The vast majority of any art form is shit, including books.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  But year to year is what I'm saying.

• 1:29:32Bill Maher?

  Books are shit. Just because you read, just because you go to Barnes and Nobles and buy a cat calendar, doesn't mean you're a reader. You know, if you read self-help nonsense and romance, that's trash. So what, you're reading it, it's still bullshit. You'd better watch a great movie than read a shitty book.

• 1:29:52Speaker 03

  Well, sure.

• 1:29:53Bill Maher?

  Would you not agree?

• 1:29:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:55Bill Maher?

  I mean, like, The Cooler, I think is a great movie. Cause it's about something, and it's a character study. It's not gonna make a trillion dollars. It has no superheroes shooting rays out of the end of their fingers.

• 1:30:11Bill Maher?

  It's just great because it's about humans. And they make, they still make those movies.

• 1:30:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Bill Maher?

  I just watched.

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  Every year, there's a couple of them, every year.

• 1:30:21Bill Maher?

  Just we watched Green Book.

• 1:30:23Speaker 03

  Great movie.

• 1:30:24Bill Maher?

  Great movie that the woke shit on. It wasn't liberal enough for them.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:30:30Bill Maher?

  Because it was.

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  That was.

• 1:30:32Bill Maher?

  Because it was directed by a white guy. I mean, it's, it's exactly what 10 years ago.

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  I don't feel like that, that criticism lasted long. I think the movie.

• 1:30:40Bill Maher?

  But it was real.

• 1:30:41Speaker 03

  It was real.

• 1:30:42Bill Maher?

  And it was in the New York Times.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:44Bill Maher?

  Uh, which is, you know, kind of important.

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  Well, that's one of the things. Somebody has an idea. It's everywhere instantly. There's no vetting process anymore.

• 1:30:53Bill Maher?

  You, you couldn't come up with a more beautiful movie that was more in line with liberal thinking.

• 1:30:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:00Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean.

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  And told a true story, hello, by the way.

• 1:31:04Bill Maher?

  True story, yeah. And made you cry.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:08Bill Maher?

  In the best kind of way.

• 1:31:09Speaker 03

  Beautiful.

• 1:31:10Bill Maher?

  Laugh and cry. They were both brilliant performances and, but. Yeah, they still, they do still make those movies.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  Oh, sure.

• 1:31:18Bill Maher?

  They just don't make many of them.

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  Well, they never did. There's three or four each year, maybe only two, and it's been the same forever.

• 1:31:27Bill Maher?

  No, I think it was much better.

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  Every once in a while, there's a year that comes. No, a lot of them are trash. Look at my daughters, my daughter Sophia is an actor and she said, Pop, can we watch movies? And I went back to those 70 movies, 70s movies that I thought so much about. Most of them didn't hold up.

• 1:31:46Bill Maher?

  Oh, come on.

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  They're slower than Christmas.

• 1:31:48Bill Maher?

  Oh, slow.

• 1:31:49Speaker 03

  Slow. Man.

• 1:31:51Bill Maher?

  That's how I think of Christmas. That's hysterical. But, but, okay, you know, like Hitchcock. Slow. You're right. A lot of stuff does not hold up. That is so true. Seventies movies, the good ones, Three Days of the Condor.

• 1:32:10Speaker 03

  That's my point.

• 1:32:10Bill Maher?

  I just watched it.

• 1:32:11Speaker 03

  There's three or four in every, any given year.

• 1:32:15Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  And they're great.

• 1:32:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:17Speaker 03

  Uh, um, Strange Love, that holds up.

• 1:32:21Bill Maher?

  Strange Love, what's that?

• 1:32:22Speaker 03

  Doctor Strange Love.

• 1:32:23Bill Maher?

  Oh, Doctor Strange Love.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  That holds up.

• 1:32:25Bill Maher?

  That's cool, Rick.

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  But I said, wait till you see Airplane.

• 1:32:29Bill Maher?

  I just re-watched it, totally holds up.

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  No, the jokes do, but there's a lot of space between the jokes.

• 1:32:36Bill Maher?

  There's not a lot of space between the jokes, that's the whole point of the movie.

• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  Well, there's a lot of bad jokes between the good jokes.

• 1:32:41Bill Maher?

  When was the last time you saw it?

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  With my daughters, a couple of years ago.

• 1:32:45Bill Maher?

  Oh, I just, I just watched it.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  You liked it still?

• 1:32:49Bill Maher?

  Loved it, I thought it totally held.

• 1:32:51Speaker 03

  I will still quote it until my dying day, that and Spinal Tap.

• 1:32:55Bill Maher?

  It's just one joke after another, and they're very funny. And, and some of them are very out there, they're very edgy.

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:03Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, there's, it was a little before political correctness.

• 1:33:07Speaker 03

  Here's something that I think is interesting. Movies when, well, when we grew up were so slow, so slow, the storytelling. And then MTV came along and all the movies started going bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

• 1:33:22Bill Maher?

  Everything went bum, bum.

• 1:33:23Speaker 03

  I've been going to Sundance a lot, and I've been seeing a lot of young people's films. They've slowed way down, the twenty-year-olds.

• 1:33:30Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:33:31Speaker 03

  They've slowed down the pace of their storytelling and they're just fine with it.

• 1:33:35Bill Maher?

  And what do you?

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  I'm going, pick it up, pick it up, tell me what happens next.

• 1:33:39Bill Maher?

  What do you make that, why do you think that's why?

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  I don't know why, but I think it's interesting and I think it's significant because we say, uh, people in their twenties, uh, they've got an attention span of a flea. Everything can, it can only be more than, I do stuff on the internet, it can only be two minutes. Minute and a half.

• 1:33:58Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:33:58Speaker 03

  And they'll stop, and I keep saying, who made this up? It's not true, if it's good, they'll watch. And I still believe that.

• 1:34:08Bill Maher?

  Maybe. I hope. That'd be great.

• 1:34:11Speaker 03

  I mean, there's so much crap. I mean, you just scroll by.

• 1:34:14Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I just don't think. I think the brains have been rewired, literally rewired. I mean, this is the thesis of Jonathan Haidt with his book that's, you know, the attention deficit or whatever it is, and it's his big thing. But a lot of people have certainly been commenting on it that, you know, we just entered into this new era with the smartphone and social media and scrolling replacing reading, and we just didn't care where it was taking people. And it didn't take them to a good place. So there may be a marginal group of people who are still interested in the long form. I wouldn't count on it. I definitely would not count on people going back to reading books.

• 1:34:57Bill Maher?

  They just don't know what a book is, and it's just in.

• 1:35:01Speaker 03

  My daughters read.

• 1:35:02Bill Maher?

  Really? A whole book? A real book?

• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  Sophia devours.

• 1:35:07Bill Maher?

  Or some shit?

• 1:35:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Devours them.

• 1:35:10Bill Maher?

  Good.

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  But I think you're right. I gotta say, when we, you know, when we had these conversations, you know that guy, that guy? Hold on. And then we got it. We got the guy. You know, in 1873, when the blah, blah, blah, no, no, no, that wasn't till the 90s.

• 1:35:28Bill Maher?

  Right. Well.

• 1:35:30Speaker 03

  It was 1874. I stand corrected.

• 1:35:32Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:35:33Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 1:35:34Bill Maher?

  I do too. That's the good.

• 1:35:36Speaker 03

  Siri.

• 1:35:37Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's the good part of it.

• 1:35:38Speaker 03

  Where do I live?

• 1:35:40Bill Maher?

  The good part of it is that you have that information on at your fingertips. The bad part of it is, yeah, they know that happened in 1874. They have no context for it.

• 1:35:50Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:35:50Bill Maher?

  Because they didn't read a book about it. They didn't have a survey course about it. That's not what colleges want to teach anymore. So they don't really know how to place it in time and space.

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  You ever play Celebrity? That game Celebrity?

• 1:36:07Bill Maher?

  No, what is it?

• 1:36:08Speaker 03

  Everybody comes up with 10 famous names, and you put them in a basin. And then you have teams, and you pick one out. This was the father of our country, George Washington. This was the guy whose name was like a doll, and he played baseball, and he had a lot of Babe Ruth.

• 1:36:29Speaker 03

  There is such a dividing line between people our age and people who are in their 30s or 40s. They don't know anything about.

• 1:36:39Bill Maher?

  They don't know anything.

• 1:36:41Speaker 03

  And we don't know.

• 1:36:42Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  Anything about pop culture. Stuff which is just ubiquitous, but I don't know it.

• 1:36:48Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't know who the TikTok stars are, that's true. But, but that's almost like 14-year-olds, not even 25-year-olds. I know more about their culture than they know about things they should know.

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  Well, they should know, yes.

• 1:37:04Bill Maher?

  I mean, I know when World War II was and what it meant for the world, and they have no clue when it happened, who was involved, why it matters. That's a little more important than me not knowing, you know, Bad Bunny.

• 1:37:19Speaker 03

  Maybe it's not too late. I, as I told you, didn't get an education, but I found that stuff out and maybe there's, maybe people will find that out.

• 1:37:30Bill Maher?

  I, I don't have great hope for that, but I don't have great hope for the future. I feel like we were very lucky to be born at the time we were born because, don't you think? I mean, if you're, let's say we all get basically around 80 years. Hopefully, AI will come along and we'll be eternal. Okay, great. But say that, the ones we got, it was like post really hard times, like the Depression and World War II. But before the shit really hit the fan with turning into an autocracy, global warming, maybe AI robots taking over and killing, you know, like, I, I just don't have a great

• 1:38:14Bill Maher?

  feeling about the next 10 years. I could be wrong, but I just feel like we had a.

• 1:38:20Speaker 03

  I'm scared. I don't know what kind of world I'm gonna turn over to my daughters. There's, there ain't no, I mean, the job market, it's, and it's not political, it's gravity, man, there's a lot of us.

• 1:38:34Bill Maher?

  Technology.

• 1:38:35Speaker 03

  And technology can replace all of us.

• 1:38:38Bill Maher?

  Is going to do every job.

• 1:38:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:41Bill Maher?

  Almost every job.

• 1:38:42Speaker 03

  This thing came out that there isn't a profession out there that you couldn't replace at least 20 or 30% of the workforce right now.

• 1:38:50Bill Maher?

  And they're, and they're already doing it.

• 1:38:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:52Bill Maher?

  They're already doing it. I mean, what you can't.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  And of course they are. You can't not do it.

• 1:38:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah. What you can't replace are gravediggers.

• 1:39:02Bill Maher?

  That's it. Just gravedigger. All right.

• 1:39:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:05Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:39:06Speaker 03

  This has been swell.

• 1:39:07Bill Maher?

  So much fun. I'm glad I got to know you. I always wanted to. I always loved your work. And I thought you'd be fun to sit and talk to, and I wasn't wrong.

• 1:39:18Speaker 03

  Right back at you. I love what you do, and I have for many, many years.

• 1:39:22Bill Maher?

  May I keep this just in case I need to feel warm and fuzzy?

• 1:39:25Speaker 03

  Okay, you missed the coolest part.

• 1:39:28Bill Maher?

  Oh. And do you have anything to plug? Are you in a movie coming up that we should be aware of?

• 1:39:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. Check it out. Is that hip?

• 1:39:35Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:39:36Speaker 03

  Where's the camera? There's cameras everywhere.

• 1:39:39Bill Maher?

  What?

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  I'm standing in Woody Creek.

• 1:39:42Bill Maher?

  How'd you get Timothy Chalamet to do your liquor ad for you?

• 1:39:48Speaker 03

  We're constantly mistaken for each other. Yes, I want you to have that. Yeah, I got a great movie out there called Train Dreams.

• 1:39:56Bill Maher?

  Train Dreams?

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's about loggers in the turn of the century, 1910 or something like that. It was at Sundance and just killed. Netflix bought it. I saw it up at Toronto. It's a beautiful, beautiful film. And I got, I'm in the new Running Man. That was a hit.

• 1:40:17Bill Maher?

  Running Man?

• 1:40:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Bill Maher?

  They redoing Running Man. I remember it. I remember the original.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  And my daughter Sophia is an actor, and she did this thing, a teen movie. She's one of the stars, and it's called Brian, and she talked me into doing a scene. And I saw it. It's really delightful. And I did a billion indies. One about this kid that got burned. He was supposed to die, and he didn't. And it's called Soul on Fire. I'm going to do that. I did a lot of films, and now I gotta publicize them.

• 1:40:55Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  I'm still working.

• 1:40:56Bill Maher?

  I was just gonna say, it's great that they, I could see why, you know? I mean, who's gonna do that kind of part better than you?

• 1:41:05Speaker 03

  Oh, and Barry, the lead. You're a football guy?

• 1:41:09Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:10Speaker 03

  It's called The Land, as in Cleveland, and it's about the Browns.

• 1:41:15Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:41:16Speaker 03

  And...

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  It's sort of fictionalized. It's a series and will start in October and I play the owner. Great scripts. I've read four of the 10 we're gonna do. They're really good.

• 1:41:29Bill Maher?

  Oh, so you're still making it?

• 1:41:31Speaker 03

  No, I'll start in October.

• 1:41:32Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:41:33Speaker 03

  I'll be in L.A. now. I live in.

• 1:41:36Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, the Browns, you know, have quite a storied history. A sports fan knows that Paul Browns founded the team. And, but, you know, they've been starstruck with, as far as success.

• 1:41:49Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41:49Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, star-crossed. Not starstruck.

• 1:41:54Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:41:55Bill Maher?

  And like my Mets, very much.

• 1:41:58Speaker 03

  No shame in that. I'm a Cubs fan.

• 1:42:00Bill Maher?

  Oh, really?

• 1:42:01Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:02Bill Maher?

  They're playing.

• 1:42:03Speaker 03

  I started my career because of Dave in Chicago. And I lived in Wrigleyville. And it was great. I, day of the, day of the game tickets. I was there when they won the series. And the town lost its mind.

• 1:42:15Bill Maher?

  Hadn't been for 108 years.

• 1:42:17Speaker 03

  It was really crazy.

• 1:42:19Bill Maher?

  All right, well, we will look for.

• 1:42:21Speaker 03

  Thank you, brother.

• 1:42:21Bill Maher?

  All your movies.

• 1:42:23Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 1:42:23Bill Maher?

  And thank you for the liquor.

• 1:42:24Speaker 03

  I'm glad you like that.

• 1:42:25Bill Maher?

  Thank you, pal.

• 1:42:31Bill Maher?

  Keep in touch.

• 1:42:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I promise I will.

• 1:42:33Bill Maher?

  Do you live close? Yeah, you, oh, no, you don't.

• 1:42:36Speaker 03

  Not the way I drove here, but yes, I do.

• 1:42:39Bill Maher?

  That's right.

• 1:43:13Speaker 05

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