Dean Norris | Club Random with Bill Maher

Dean Norris, who played Hank Schrader on Breaking Bad, joins Bill Maher for a conversation that ricochets from Hollywood stories to politics. They look back at Norris’s time on Total Recall, trade notes on the art of dying on camera (always die face down), and follow his path from South Bend, Indiana, to a quieter life in Temecula, away from the paparazzi. Norris shares a surprising Cypress Hill connection, and he and Maher debate what’s going on inside Trump’s head, whether billionaire philanthropy does enough, and if Elon Musk is a genius—or just thinks he is. Maher also admits he’s never seen Breaking Bad, giving Norris a chance to pitch him on all 62 episodes. Plus, Norris talks about his new Breaking Bad oral history, coming November 17. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1 Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Support our Advertisers: Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to https://www. Quince.com. Ready to take control of your cholesterol? Head to https://dosedaily.co/RANDOM or enter RANDOM to get 35% off your first subscription. For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial 984-217-3643 or go to https://askchapter.org/billmaher Let ZipRecruiter find the right people for YOUR roles, seasonal or otherwise. Try it FOR FREE today at https://www. ZipRecruiter.com/RANDOM. Head to https://www. NoblTravel.com for up to 67% off your entire order. Buy Club Random Merch: https://clubrandom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM In Club Random, Bill Maher unleashes his comedic wit on an unpredictable lineup – from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Quentin Tarantino and Neil deGrasse Tyson – digging into everything but politics. It’s Maher in his familiar element: one-on-one vibes, unfiltered laughs, and the kind of freewheeling banter only he can deliver. ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last 23 years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 41 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written six bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass", and most recently "What This Comedian Said Will Shock You". FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:29Speaker 03

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• 1:52Bill Maher?

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• 2:23Speaker 05

  It's literally coming up in 10 days.

• 2:27Bill Maher?

  I would get on your horse.

• 2:31Speaker 05

  And you probably have some insight on this into how much he really believes what he says.

• 2:36Bill Maher?

  Oh, I can tell you, exactly. Dean?

• 2:41Speaker 05

  Hey, man. How you doing?

• 2:44Bill Maher?

  Hey, man, how are you?

• 2:46Speaker 05

  Good, good to see you, man.

• 2:48Bill Maher?

  Welcome to my humble abode. Thank you for coming in the rain.

• 2:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you.

• 2:53Bill Maher?

  Do you live close?

• 2:54Speaker 05

  I live, I have a place in Redondo Beach, so not too bad.

• 2:57Bill Maher?

  That's where you're permanently based?

• 2:59Speaker 05

  No, I got a house in Temecula, so I kind of split between the two.

• 3:04Bill Maher?

  Temecula?

• 3:04Speaker 05

  Temecula is that wine country?

• 3:07Bill Maher?

  Oh, Temecula's in California?

• 3:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:09Bill Maher?

  Oh, why did I, I'm a little stoned. Did I think it was in, I thought it was in New Mexico, Temecula. What am I thinking of? Taos?

• 3:17Speaker 05

  Albuquerque, Taos.

• 3:18Bill Maher?

  Have you been to Taos?

• 3:19Speaker 05

  I have been to Taos.

• 3:20Bill Maher?

  Isn't that awesome?

• 3:21Speaker 05

  Fucking beautiful, man. I love New Mexico.

• 3:23Bill Maher?

  I remember walking around like in the, you know, like lots of art, outdoor art markets. It's a big art, isn't it a big art?

• 3:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:31Bill Maher?

  Place?

• 3:31Speaker 05

  And of course Santa Fe, and I think they kind of, you know, it's, it's the color, well, I'll get into it, but the beauty of that sky somehow, that's why photographers always love to go to New Mexico. And something about the, the way the sun hits it and it's a, it's just beautiful place.

• 3:48Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I sure miss, I've been out, you know, I was on the road for most of my life and, you know, stopped a couple of years ago and I used to love walking around like some fucking town, you know, just in the day, just killing a day. Seeing like some, buying funky shit on the road.

• 4:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:10Bill Maher?

  I mean, now, that's a comic's life. You've had an actor's life.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:15Bill Maher?

  You're more, I'm sure, based, you know, you, you're not from here, right?

• 4:21Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 4:22Bill Maher?

  Where are you from?

• 4:23Speaker 05

  Well, I grew up in Indiana, South Bend, Indiana, but I left there at 18.

• 4:26Bill Maher?

  Wow, South Bend, that's fucking hick town, huh?

• 4:29Speaker 05

  It's pretty, it's pretty, it's, you know, it's, it's Indiana.

• 4:32Bill Maher?

  Larry Bird.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  Well, he's from French Lick, yeah, but you know.

• 4:35Bill Maher?

  French Lick.

• 4:36Speaker 05

  I've seen, I love Larry Bird.

• 4:38Bill Maher?

  I love him. Yeah, no, he's such a, but you know, if he hadn't had that skill to leave French Lick.

• 4:46Speaker 05

  Right.

• 4:46Bill Maher?

  I'm guessing, you know, I can picture him at a Trump rally. That's all I'm saying. But I, you know, the thing is when people, you know, from anywhere, you know, for whatever reason, you know, some sort of celebrity reason, and they get out of the town and then they go and live in a place like Boston or LA and, you know, you see that, you know, they just become much more liberal.

• 5:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:08Bill Maher?

  Much more cosmopolitan. You know, they meet different kinds of people. I mean, you know.

• 5:13Speaker 05

  Particularly in sports, I think. They get to see, you know, guys they might not have hung out with originally. It's only not in French Lick, if you know what I'm saying.

• 5:21Bill Maher?

  Totally. And I mean, I've always said this about sports, I've made a big deal about this. First of all, it's the only place without nepo babies.

• 5:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:30Bill Maher?

  With the exception of Bronny, which is why I didn't like that. Like, it's the, every other place has nepo babies, you know, even modeling, which really should be just by merit, I think. If I have to pick a one issue to be a one issue candidate about, like, can we have real models? Not that Kendall Jenner isn't a cute girl, but she's not, she's not the-

• 5:54Speaker 05

  Is it Kai Gerber, is that her name? Kai Gerber? Is that the Gerber girl?

• 5:58Bill Maher?

  Kaya.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  Kaya.

• 5:59Bill Maher?

  She, well, her mother was a supermodel. She got the genes and she probably, yeah, that, that's somebody I think who legitimately could be.

• 6:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:05Bill Maher?

  But like, and a lot, most of it is, well, a lot of it now, is not by merit, goddammit. They used to go into a village in Ukraine and find a 14-year-old working the fields.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:20Bill Maher?

  Who was like just astoundingly perfect looking and they would take her, talking about turning someone into a liberal, and they'd bring her to Paris and wouldn't you see in Paris, you know, how you're gonna go back on the farm? And now it's just nepo. But sports and politics, ridiculous nepo.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:36Bill Maher?

  All over the world, that is. It's not just us.

• 6:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:38Bill Maher?

  As long as you have, you know, the name of the dude who was, you know, your father.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:43Bill Maher?

  Even places that have terrible, women terribly will elect a woman if her dad ran the country.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  Right, right, right.

• 6:53Bill Maher?

  It's like, well, let's see, we're terribly misogynistic, but, and back, we're so, it's about your father still.

• 7:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:03Bill Maher?

  Really.

• 7:03Speaker 05

  Right.

• 7:04Bill Maher?

  So, I mean, that's been Azir Buto and, and, you know, that's Philippine, I mean, lots of places, I like that. But sports, no. Sports, you actually have to be good, that, that no team can afford.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:17Bill Maher?

  To put you on there just because of your name.

• 7:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 7:20Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 7:21Speaker 05

  Right.

• 7:21Bill Maher?

  I mean, acting, you know, I mean, you're a great actor, but, you know, quite frankly, you know, it's not something that like, I mean, children do it, fucking weightlifters do it. You know, I mean, fucking, fucking wrestlers do it. Yeah, I do.

• 7:39Speaker 05

  Well, they get in front of the camera and they say some words.

• 7:43Bill Maher?

  They can act. I just saw, I just saw Schwarzenegger. What?

• 7:48Speaker 05

  I like, I've done a couple of things, I like Schwarzenegger.

• 7:50Bill Maher?

  You did work with him?

• 7:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:51Bill Maher?

  In what?

• 7:52Speaker 05

  Total Recall, like for a second movie.

• 7:54Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 7:55Speaker 05

  Way back in the day.

• 7:55Bill Maher?

  Did you see the remake?

• 7:58Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 7:59Bill Maher?

  Well, people hate, actors hate it when they, were you the big bad guy in the first one?

• 8:07Speaker 05

  I was the guy when they had, had a thing on his face like that and it was, all the, all the previews and trailers, I'd grab him, I'd go, you got a lot of nerve showing your face around here, Hauser, and he goes, look who's talking. And I had this, I was on Mars. And it looked like a vagina and he used to call me vagina face.

• 8:23Bill Maher?

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• 9:04Bill Maher?

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• 9:49Bill Maher?

  I love that era where every violent act had to be accompanied by a quip. From the, you know, you throw a guy off a cliff.

• 9:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:59Bill Maher?

  What happened? I let him go.

• 10:03Speaker 05

  He was the best though, man. I loved him. So he was at the top of his game then too. And he was just so, he was so, I was like, loved him. He would do close ups with a cigar. Cause he like, you know, he loves a cigar. And he would literally, I was just like, this guy's the coolest ever. If it was a close up here, he would take a few puffs, put the cigar down here.

• 10:24Bill Maher?

  Didn't the smoke get in the?

• 10:25Speaker 05

  No, you know, he would just, he was Arnie at the time, man. He could do what he wants, you know? Plus he would put smoke on the, back then, I don't know if they still do it as much, but they would put smoke on the set. I guess for the lighting in some sorts.

• 10:37Bill Maher?

  I once got sick from.

• 10:38Speaker 05

  From all that shit.

• 10:39Bill Maher?

  I once got sick for, I was in a movie of the week. Remember the movie of the week? Do you remember movie of the week?

• 10:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:47Bill Maher?

  You did?

• 10:48Speaker 05

  I did.

• 10:49Bill Maher?

  Maybe we worked together.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  What is that?

• 10:53Bill Maher?

  It's, that's something I use. It's drugs. No, it's, it's just, it's just something to make, Jing, it makes uh, uh, diet soda, uh, no chemicals, just good chemicals. And it's flavored, it's good. I'll give you some if you like. But, um, yeah, I got sick cause I was, uh, you, you worked at, I'm sure the Brunson Cave.

• 11:14Speaker 05

  Oh, sure. Yeah.

• 11:15Bill Maher?

  Uh, anyone out there wants some insight about show business, anytime you see a cave in any TV or movie. Right. It's, it's, there's one place that they shoot the cave.

• 11:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:27Bill Maher?

  And it's called the Brunson Cave.

• 11:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:29Bill Maher?

  And, uh, I mean, they've seen more cave-ins than a Miami condo. And every actor in this town has like breathed that shitty Brunson Cave air. And I, the scene was some explosion or something and I'm on the ground. So I'm on the ground for a full day. And you know how long days are. So you're breathing while they're pumping in all that smoke.

• 11:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:54Bill Maher?

  In this badly ventilated place. And of course I got sick after. And I remember a doctor came to the set and they wanted me to pay for the doctor. Yeah.

• 12:04Speaker 05

  Jesus.

• 12:04Bill Maher?

  I know.

• 12:05Speaker 05

  And you're snotting on like black stuff.

• 12:07Bill Maher?

  We had to have a fight over who should pay for the doctor.

• 12:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:10Bill Maher?

  I was like, you made me sick, you fucks.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, fuck you.

• 12:13Bill Maher?

  You know, people think, uh, yeah, show business is all.

• 12:17Speaker 05

  It ain't, it ain't.

• 12:18Bill Maher?

  All tits and champagne, but sometimes it's lying on the ground, the cold ground for, for a 12 hour day, breathing shitty smoke.

• 12:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. JT Walsh, I did a movie called The Negotiator and JT Walsh, God rest his soul. Um, he goes, he's, I loved him, man. He goes, he was a character actor after my own heart and I was younger. And he, there was a scene where he dies in this, in this, and this is back in the day when it took you forever to do movies. You know, when they do them now in four weeks. And he goes, kid, and he died. He goes, let me give you a little advice about acting. He goes, when you die, always die face down. I said, why is that? He goes, cause then you don't have to be there. Let's just take some other body in.

• 12:59Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 12:59Speaker 05

  So I've always taken that to heart. He's like, yeah, make sure you don't show your face if you're dead. Cause you have to sit there for a week on the ground while they do the rest of the fucking scene. And I was like, oh, all right, you know, different kinds of advice for acting.

• 13:12Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, like any industry, there's inside tips and it's amazing to me, just from my 10 years doing it, watching it, being in it, how anything ever gets made. Because you're always putting people together who have such different ideas about how to do it. You know, the people who wanted, the actors who want, you know, very spontaneous.

• 13:37Speaker 05

  Right.

• 13:38Bill Maher?

  And actors who wanted anything but, you know, like, and many takes or, or no, or just a few takes.

• 13:44Speaker 05

  Right.

• 13:45Bill Maher?

  You know, and, and maybe the director has, you know, very different ideas.

• 13:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:54Bill Maher?

  And yet when it works, it's so genius.

• 13:57Speaker 05

  It works, yeah.

• 13:58Bill Maher?

  I watched for the millions time In the Line of Fire the other night. You know the movie?

• 14:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 14:05Bill Maher?

  And like, what a perfect movie.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:08Bill Maher?

  It's like every time I think, oh, I can't watch this one more time. It'll bore me. And it's like, oh no.

• 14:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:14Bill Maher?

  It's, it's, I'd so much rather watch a great movie many times than a mediocre one even once.

• 14:21Speaker 05

  That's the truth, man. And that's what I find a hard time. There's so much, there's so much stuff I'm behind on and should be watching and this and that. But when it comes down to my own entertainment and what am I gonna do that night? Smoke a joint and then watch something. I don't wanna have to sit through something that I don't know is already gonna be good.

• 14:39Bill Maher?

  Well, listen, um, my one bond with my audience, uh, it's, I, I do not lie to them.

• 14:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm not a faker. Even my, even my enemies tell me that.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:51Bill Maher?

  So I'm not going to fake my way through this conversation. I'm gonna just say it right out. I've never seen Breaking Bad.

• 14:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've heard that.

• 15:00Bill Maher?

  And I have no good reason for it. I don't know, maybe I just saw the ad with him in his underwear and went, not for me. Uh, and then I got, and then I was too far behind to catch up and, you know, but I just wanna say, I, the fact that you're as known as you are, even to me, without having seen the show is a tribute to how big that show is that it is. You can't, you almost can't describe how popular it is as well as critically acclaimed, very often like the number one.

• 15:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:28Bill Maher?

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• 16:10Bill Maher?

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• 16:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:37Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, there, I'm kinda saving it, I think, for like, um, when I'm, uh, permanently disabled or something and I, I can, just in bed or I have something terrible. Uh, not that I'm a pessimist. And I'm gonna, I could just binge the whole thing. Um, but yeah, I mean, sometimes you just, you know, you just don't get to everything. I mean,

• 16:59Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 17:00Bill Maher?

  Look, there are plenty of people who have never seen my show. And I, if you wanna be, if you hook me up to a lie detector test, I, I would say, what do you think of these people? I would say, they're scum and they don't really, should be able to, well, they can live, but they shouldn't, certainly shouldn't vote.

• 17:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:16Bill Maher?

  And I hate them. I just hate them. Uh, but I, I don't say that.

• 17:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:22Bill Maher?

  And I don't really believe that.

• 17:24Speaker 05

  Eh.

• 17:24Bill Maher?

  Uh, but it's okay because I know in my rational part of my brain, no, that's intelligent, very intelligent people. It's just, it's just not their cup of tea.

• 17:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:34Bill Maher?

  Or for one reason, there's, there can be a hundred different reasons.

• 17:37Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 17:37Bill Maher?

  Why someone misses it, but I will catch up. And when I do, I know, I know I'm gonna say, you were great.

• 17:46Bill Maher?

  So I'm gonna pre-say it.

• 17:47Speaker 05

  There you go. I appreciate it. Well, I, I must admit also, to be honest, I've never seen Chick Camp. So.

• 17:54Bill Maher?

  That's a fake, that's a fake. Oh, but you know, those posters look like, I did movies. I did movies like that in the eighties.

• 18:03Bill Maher?

  Did you ever do something like that? Like, uh, like were you, the, uh,

• 18:11Bill Maher?

  you know, the, the prick.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  I've always been a prick.

• 18:14Bill Maher?

  Dean of the school or something like, you know, but like in a comedy I'm talking about, like Dean Warmer.

• 18:20Speaker 05

  I did a show, a movie called Fist Fight with, uh, Ice T. Was it Ice Cube? No, it's Ice Cube. Sorry. Ice, I messed up my, my Ices. Ice Cube and, um.

• 18:34Bill Maher?

  Nothing more racist than.

• 18:37Speaker 05

  Mixing up your Ices.

• 18:38Bill Maher?

  Mixing up the Ices.

• 18:41Bill Maher?

  Why don't you just get ice in here and have them arrested? Uh, I don't smoke pot, thank you.

• 18:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:47Bill Maher?

  Um, but.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  I don't either. This is the first time. Pretty good shit.

• 18:52Bill Maher?

  How, what is, what is your, uh, marijuana intake? I mean, you're just, you're, do you smoke every day? Do you smoke only at night? Does it make you sleepy? Does it make you horny? What, what, what is your?

• 19:03Speaker 05

  All the, I've, I've moved to edibles. I don't smoke as much as I do edibles.

• 19:07Bill Maher?

  That's, that's wise and I have tried and am trying to do the same. Just because our lungs are not getting younger?

• 19:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:15Bill Maher?

  You know, um, but.

• 19:18Speaker 05

  So I'm a, I'm a fairly regular edible user, as in daily. Um.

• 19:25Bill Maher?

  Cool. That, hard to get more regular than that, except if you wake yourself up in the middle of the night and make yourself.

• 19:31Speaker 05

  Take another one.

• 19:34Bill Maher?

  What, what, do you take it in the morning?

• 19:36Speaker 05

  No, no, no. I take it at, at, in, in, at night, you know.

• 19:40Bill Maher?

  And it doesn't, see, I, I, once in a while, I will do that. And I, I did it about three weeks ago and, uh, I was just, it was just wild. Like, I did it, like, why did I do it? I think it's because there was a, I was doing the podcast, which I don't usually do on Friday night. So I tape my show on Friday afternoon, so I go right from the studio to here. And, uh, so I, I ate it, like, uh, just soon as I got off, I certainly wouldn't eat it to do real time. That would be not quite, I mean, I have the, I have the governor of Kentucky on with the former press secretary for Trump and the Senate.

• 20:22Speaker 05

  Which one, Levin?

• 20:23Bill Maher?

  Yes, and the governor, uh, the guy who's running for governor, Hilton.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:28Bill Maher?

  And, uh, this is not a group to be stoned, but here I can get, I love it here. But it's just not the appropriate time. But I took it coming out of the studio, and by the time I got home, it was just wild. We were just like, you know, dancing and in the pool and the like. It just, because when you eat it, for me, it just, it just take, it's almost like tripping. It's more like tripping, really.

• 20:51Speaker 05

  It's a different concept, it really is.

• 20:53Bill Maher?

  So you do that every day?

• 20:54Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, not every single, but pretty much. I, I like it as a, as a way to wind down at the end of the night, you know what I'm saying?

• 21:00Bill Maher?

  See, that's it, it winds me up.

• 21:01Speaker 05

  Ah, no, it definitely winds me down.

• 21:04Bill Maher?

  Okay, yeah, that's, most people, I would think that's what it does.

• 21:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:07Bill Maher?

  But, you know what?

• 21:08Speaker 05

  But I used to sm, you know, I used to smoke, uh, you know, bongs. I used to smoke, I used to love my bong, you know, but as I got older, man, that, that amount of smoke in the lungs just, it just overwhelmed me, so.

• 21:21Bill Maher?

  Yeah, 'cause you're not supposed to do that.

• 21:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's.

• 21:22Bill Maher?

  And that's a, that's a clarinet. You're playing the wrong instrument there, Dean.

• 21:30Speaker 05

  I had the three circle, you know, the three circle, the old classic.

• 21:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, I remember the three, oh, absolutely. I have a, quite a collection. I never really was a big bong guy, and I'm glad, because I think, I think that one's hard on your lungs.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying, I'd moved on from that, 'cause I would, you know, you'd be like.

• 21:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it was the cough that gets you off.

• 21:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, right, cough's a good, and it did.

• 21:49Bill Maher?

  And it did, but, you know, we're not in college anymore, you know, it's just, it's just not.

• 21:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:55Bill Maher?

  Not wise to, uh.

• 21:57Speaker 05

  To hit it that hard.

• 21:59Bill Maher?

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• 22:44Bill Maher?

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• 23:22Speaker 05

  I know, I know, yeah, I got you.

• 23:24Bill Maher?

  They're called Jamaicans. No, I, I mean, Jamaicans are the, for some reason, like, the, I feel like they have the happy gene more. And this is just the ones I know.

• 23:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:33Bill Maher?

  But they just have a natural, their default setting is kind of happy.

• 23:36Speaker 05

  Positive.

• 23:37Bill Maher?

  And then, but then there are, I know people who are like that, and they're not Jamaican at all. Um, I'm not, I'm not like that, I'm not, I'm depressed, but like, I just don't wake up, you know, singing, uh, "Everything is beautiful."

• 23:49Speaker 05

  Right, right, right, well, it's understandable, you know, 'cause it's not, but, uh, I guess some people were able to look past that or beyond that or whatever.

• 23:57Bill Maher?

  But the song, "Everything is beautiful."

• 23:59Speaker 05

  Everything is beautiful.

• 24:01Bill Maher?

  You know it, so great.

• 24:02Speaker 05

  In its own way.

• 24:03Bill Maher?

  In its own way. That is the song I play when I, when I want a little kick in the ass, when I get up in the morning. Every little playlist, and they all have "beautiful" in the title, or "beautiful," you know, or "beauty." It's, it's, uh.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  It's a beautiful morning.

• 24:17Bill Maher?

  That's in there, that's it, yeah.

• 24:18Speaker 05

  All right.

• 24:19Bill Maher?

  And Barbra Streisand's, "You've gotta wake up every morning with a smile on your face and show the world you're as beautiful as you feel." I mean, it, it can actually change your mood. I mean, not like if you're going to jail or something, but like, you know, just for.

• 24:34Speaker 05

  I shop the sheriff.

• 24:37Bill Maher?

  No, that's not on the playlist, no. That's, uh, that's a different playlist.

• 24:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:43Bill Maher?

  But what is your musical, uh?

• 24:45Speaker 05

  You know, uh, you know, I started young, I come from the Midwest, so I went through the, you know, you had to know Bob Seger.

• 24:53Bill Maher?

  Well, Bob Seger did some great stuff.

• 24:55Speaker 05

  Did some great stuff, and I knew, like, me and my pals would know every single line of Live Bullet, and we would get a keg and sit in the park and, and play it loud.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  Then I kind of evolved, I was just, uh, uh, I, I'm kind of hooked up with Cypress Hill a bit, man, and I was telling them how.

• 25:11Bill Maher?

  Cypress Hill?

• 25:12Speaker 05

  Cypress Hill, man, talking about smoking some weed. I met them in Amsterdam, uh, of all places, and, uh.

• 25:17Bill Maher?

  Wow, what a strange pairing.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, no.

• 25:21Bill Maher?

  You and Cypress Hill.

• 25:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, man, me, be real, man.

• 25:24Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 25:25Speaker 05

  But, uh, so.

• 25:26Bill Maher?

  They weren't part of your youth.

• 25:28Speaker 05

  Well, they were part of my, when I came to LA, you know.

• 25:31Bill Maher?

  Were they 90s Cypress Hill?

• 25:32Speaker 05

  They were 90s, yeah, midnight, and when I first came to LA, it was like 88, it was like, NWA was just hitting, and it was like, whoa, what the fuck is that? And then it segued into Rage Against the Machine and, uh, and Cypress Hill. Then there was that Seattle thing, which, it was too trendy for me at the time. So I didn't really, yeah, grunge, I was like, ah, too trendy. So I was really into the Cypress Hill and the Rage Against the Machine and those guys. Later on, I, I kind of got into more of the Seattle stuff. I love Ballast and Chains, for instance, that's one of my favorite. And Pearl Jam, of course, yeah, Soundgarden, you know.

• 26:04Bill Maher?

  I mean, of course, you forgot them.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  Well, I just named one, I, I was getting to them.

• 26:08Bill Maher?

  No, he's a friend, Eddie Vedder, the greatest.

• 26:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:12Bill Maher?

  But, uh, wow, I didn't, I guess, see, we are.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  'Cause that was the 90s for me.

• 26:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah, we are slightly different generations then, because that was, certainly was not, uh, my youth.

• 26:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, this was, this was my twen, you know, early twenties.

• 26:26Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:28Bill Maher?

  No, my youth was, "Everything is beautiful."

• 26:35Bill Maher?

  Well, music, I mean, the, the innocence of it is, I, I just still adore it. 'Cause they meant it, 'cause you could tell it wasn't faked, you know? "Come on, people, smile on your brother, everybody get together." There's just a lot of what the world needs now is love, and all you need is love, and why can't we have love?

• 26:56Speaker 05

  Love.

• 26:57Bill Maher?

  I mean, you know, there was, and none of it was, uh, you know, overtly sexual. I mean, there was no, um, sort of, you know,

• 27:09Bill Maher?

  talking about sex as misogynistically as it became, or as just graphically. Which is fine with me, I don't have kids, I don't, I'm not protecting anybody, it's not news to me, blowjobs and, but it just, it just, it was, it's just so much more innocent, you know?

• 27:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:25Bill Maher?

  I mean, "I wanna hold your hand."

• 27:27Speaker 05

  I wanna, yeah.

• 27:28Bill Maher?

  You know, it's just, there's something that gets to my heart about people being so innocent in a way that was, look, The Beatles probably getting laid more than anybody.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:41Bill Maher?

  But still, that they, that the, the world, the world was just innocent enough to want that.

• 27:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:49Bill Maher?

  Like, yes, it's a, it's a conceit. None of us really think that we're not actually these, these guys who are, women are clawing to get at, aren't fucking them. But in the song, we're all okay with this, this innocent world we, we live in, where you can't buy me love.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  No.

• 28:09Bill Maher?

  Money.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Well, you can, well.

• 28:12Bill Maher?

  Where, I mean, we went from "Can't buy me love," and, you know, all those songs about, uh, you know, "I got you, babe, we don't have a pot, but it's, I know all the things we got," to everything was in, in rap, you know?

• 28:25Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, sure.

• 28:25Bill Maher?

  Especially, everything became very sort of, you know, "Hey, dirt A, maybe I got your money."

• 28:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:32Bill Maher?

  And, you know, "Better have bitch, better have my money," and like, uh, you know, name checking so much. You know, and the white guys did it too. They, everybody joined in on this La La Palooza of materialistic lusting.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:47Bill Maher?

  It's just, but it's just so different than the innocence of when I, the lyrics in the sixties and seventies were just about, we don't need money. Think about how seriously we take security these days. Passwords with capital letters, symbols, two-factor authentication, and we even scan our own faces to open a phone. Then we hand a stranger a bag with $3,000 laptop in it, held shut by a zipper, which a ballpoint pen goes through in two seconds. They take what they want, zip it back up, and you find out in a hotel room three states away. Noble Travel figured out that trusting your luggage to two rows of zipper teeth is insane, so they got rid of the zipper.

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• 30:34Speaker 05

  Right, right, right.

• 30:36Bill Maher?

  We got love.

• 30:36Speaker 05

  We got love.

• 30:37Bill Maher?

  We got love. We don't need money. It's, no, then they went, no, we want.

• 30:43Speaker 05

  No, actually.

• 30:44Bill Maher?

  Cartier. We want to, like Louis Vuitton and.

• 30:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, Material Girl, baby.

• 30:50Bill Maher?

  I give you actual brands that we need.

• 30:52Speaker 05

  Material Girl, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 30:53Bill Maher?

  That's just love.

• 30:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:54Bill Maher?

  I'm talking specific things.

• 30:57Speaker 05

  Yes, yeah.

• 30:58Bill Maher?

  I need.

• 30:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:59Bill Maher?

  From, so, you know, I'm sure there are people listening to this going, oh, look at these two. Yeah, I'm just pointing out the difference.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:08Bill Maher?

  You know, and.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  And politics was different too, in that sense, right? I mean, in terms of how it's gotten compared, and I know we don't want to get into politics, but just that had the same kind of thing. There was an innocence about it, or a, at least a more.

• 31:21Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 31:21Speaker 05

  Seriousness about it in a way. I wouldn't, maybe not innocent, but.

• 31:24Bill Maher?

  I wouldn't call it an innocence, but it was, but they had some restraints.

• 31:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:30Bill Maher?

  You know, which, like everything with Trump, things were always unraveling from the nineties on forward, certainly. And then he just came along and everything down. It's like, look, as long as we're heading to the bottom.

• 31:44Speaker 05

  Let me be the guy.

• 31:45Bill Maher?

  I'm just gonna beat you all to it and, and go there first.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:49Bill Maher?

  So like, you know, like, do we insinuate that someone is gay to, to win an election? Sure, they've done things like that. I'm just gonna call her Annie Tranny.

• 32:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:02Bill Maher?

  Well, she's not a trans, trans person, but I'm just gonna go, so it's like, okay, in a way, it's like, okay, great, we hit that bottom about the name-calling and all that. Maybe, um, post-Trump will, will, you know, there's kind of nowhere else to go.

• 32:19Speaker 05

  Right.

• 32:19Bill Maher?

  So maybe we'll come back to at least what it was in the, in the nineties. I was just in DC, took a tour of the Capitol. I mean, it almost makes you sort of believe in the whole fucking thing again. Uh, as soon as you step outside, you remember, no, not quite. But like, the ornateness, the beauty of the American Capitol, I'm talking about the building and what's inside, the paintings, the floors, the, the architecture, the ceilings, the statues, all this stuff, the way it's laid out, is the ceiling of the cap, of the dome.

• 32:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:52Bill Maher?

  It's just, I'm surrounded by so much history.

• 32:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:56Bill Maher?

  You know, on 9/11, the plane that was headed to the Capitol, probably, that they took down in Pennsylvania.

• 33:02Speaker 05

  Pennsylvania, yeah.

• 33:02Bill Maher?

  I mean, if it had hit the Capitol itself, architecturally, that would have been the biggest loss.

• 33:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:08Bill Maher?

  I mean, the White House is iconic, but there's not as much in there that's like, completely, uh, I mean, it's unique, but it's, it's just not filled the way the Capitol is with shit. And, uh, man, you know, it's, it's, I took a little, my friend John Fetterman, the senator, set me up on a little tour, and it was just awesome to see every nook and cranny.

• 33:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:34Bill Maher?

  And of course, you see also how clubby it is. You see like the green room, or they showed us the little green room they have off the, it's just like a green room in show business, like off the stage, where they, you know, they can go like between votes and smoke and, and you know, that's where all the work gets done and all the plotting.

• 33:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:52Bill Maher?

  You see how clubby it is, and there's a little place where you can buy a fucking hot dog.

• 33:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:59Bill Maher?

  I mean, you think it's.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  You think that little train?

• 34:03Bill Maher?

  Yes, saw the train.

• 34:05Speaker 05

  The little train to get on.

• 34:06Bill Maher?

  The Senate train that goes underground, the little trolley.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:09Bill Maher?

  Absolutely, that was kind of cool.

• 34:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:12Bill Maher?

  But yeah, you think, when you see it from the outside, it was so majestic, and then of course, like anything, when you get up close, I remember the, my set for Real Time is the same one they use for, um, The Price is Right. So we switch out, and as soon as our show wraps, they're putting in The Price is Right.

• 34:31Speaker 05

  No shit.

• 34:32Bill Maher?

  And I remember walking past it the first time and going, wow, that's so fucking cheap. It, on TV, it looks like, it's just like kind of painted over, you know, it's just, like you get up close to any magic trick.

• 34:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, right.

• 34:45Bill Maher?

  And you go, oh God, this is what it is? I did a magic trick once with Penn and Teller, like as the guest, I came out of the audience, this celebrity, and it was called Blood From A Stone. They got Blood From A Stone. When you see it up close, it's like, oh fuck, I could have bought this at the.

• 35:02Speaker 05

  Cheesy ass.

• 35:02Bill Maher?

  At the magic store. Not that they don't do amazing, I'm sure. They're, you know, and Penn has been here, I mean, he's a, Teller, I don't talk too much. But Penn is a, is a great guy to talk to and a smart guy. So, you know, they got their action, it's been hugely successful, but I remember looking at that and also thinking, wow, don't, don't get too close to anything.

• 35:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. I just did Celebrity Wheel Of Fortune. Um, kind of had the same.

• 35:31Bill Maher?

  Cool.

• 35:32Speaker 05

  Kind of had the same feeling, uh.

• 35:34Bill Maher?

  Celebrity Wheel Of.

• 35:36Speaker 05

  Wheel Of Fortune, yeah.

• 35:37Bill Maher?

  I didn't know they had that.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  They do, and you get to make money for, for charity and stuff like that. But it was just weird being on that set, a show that I'd seen, you know, a zillion times as a kid, and here it was, the band was still there.

• 35:50Bill Maher?

  I know this is gonna sound like I'm just picking on you.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  Oh, why would you pick on me, man?

• 35:56Bill Maher?

  But I never saw Wheel Of Fortune either.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  Really?

• 36:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Um, that's, somehow I missed that game show. I'm seeing Password. I, I know it's a wheel.

• 36:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:09Bill Maher?

  And I know there's a fortune.

• 36:10Speaker 05

  There's a fortune out there.

• 36:11Bill Maher?

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• 36:53Bill Maher?

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• 37:29Speaker 05

  You gotta solve puzzles. It's all blank, and you go, give me an S. And they go, S, S, S. And then they go, give me an R. And up, no Rs, next.

• 37:38Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  And then you gotta figure it out, and you can buy a vowel, and, um.

• 37:43Bill Maher?

  What's the one Ryan Seacrest?

• 37:45Speaker 05

  He's, he's doing this one now.

• 37:49Bill Maher?

  That's this one?

• 37:50Speaker 05

  That's this one now.

• 37:50Bill Maher?

  Who does Password?

• 37:53Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 37:53Bill Maher?

  Not, not Password, um, what's, what's Alex Trebek?

• 37:57Speaker 05

  Uh.

• 37:59Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, didn't Alex Trebek used to do?

• 38:02Bill Maher?

  Password, no.

• 38:02Speaker 05

  I think he may have used to.

• 38:03Bill Maher?

  No, Jeopardy.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  Jeopardy, Jeopardy, right, right, right. Say Pat Sajak used to do Wheel Of Fortune. And now, and now it's Ryan Seacrest.

• 38:14Speaker 05

  Um, who is the, very, he's a very skinny man, uh.

• 38:19Bill Maher?

  Why would he, I don't understand why he wants to do that. I mean, he's very rich.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:25Bill Maher?

  Um, and you know, connected in for his stuff in the music industry. This seems, it's like, you know what? And he's still young enough.

• 38:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:34Bill Maher?

  To be like, you know, I'm not saying he's the hippest guy who's ever walked down the street, but, you know, he's not some old fuck.

• 38:40Speaker 05

  No.

• 38:41Bill Maher?

  And it's like, you know what I want to do? I want to do the show that they watch in the nursing home.

• 38:48Bill Maher?

  I don't, I don't get it. I, I don't, I don't know why he wanted that gig.

• 38:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:54Bill Maher?

  I mean, I kind of admire it.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's, it's something about, I mean, I have a sister, Maya, who's a couple years younger than me, and she's like, she was out of her mind. I like, I brought her to sets with really big people, and she was out of her mind to get to come see Wheel Of Fortune.

• 39:12Bill Maher?

  Because of him?

• 39:13Speaker 05

  No, because she grew up on the show, and she's watched it all, she watches it every night, now she watches it with him every night. And it was just part of her, her, I guess, her life, you know, in a weird way. Um, you know, like everybody finds something that kind of takes their mind off stop and blah, blah, blah, and I think that's what it was to her. Uh, can kind of mindlessly watch it, and I don't know.

• 39:34Bill Maher?

  I mean, I do the crossword puzzle and.

• 39:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't do, yeah.

• 39:40Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Like, I don't do Trivial Pursuit, cuz it's trivial.

• 39:47Bill Maher?

  No, I mean-

• 39:48Speaker 05

  And I get, I get people who do the Crossword-

• 39:50Bill Maher?

  You went to Harvard, right?

• 39:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I don't like to sit there-

• 39:52Bill Maher?

  So it sounds like you could do the Crossword Puzzle.

• 39:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I don't find it, I don't find it something that, uh-

• 39:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  Uh, what do you have on it?

• 39:59Bill Maher?

  I love it, because, you know, it's, it's about anything and everything you've ever known-

• 40:04Speaker 05

  Right.

• 40:04Bill Maher?

  Or don't know.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Right.

• 40:05Bill Maher?

  I mean, you learn something if you don't know it by working out the answer, and, you know, it, it, it- You know, your, your mind is a collection of trillions of things that have, you've stored in there.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:18Bill Maher?

  But if you don't reactivate them every so often, they go away. They go into the, you know, disk full, "So we gotta get rid of this file." And, you know, so often you'll be doing the crossword puzzle, and it'll be like, "Oh, wow, I hadn't thought about that"

• 40:33Speaker 05

  In a while, yeah.

• 40:34Bill Maher?

  "In forty years, and now it made me remember that," and, but, but games, you know, I don't know why, uh, people have to play games. They, they really do like games. People sometimes have parties.

• 40:47Speaker 05

  Right.

• 40:47Bill Maher?

  I'm sure you've been invited to parties out here, where it's like, "Oh, we're playing Mafia, we're playing this. Really, can't we just fucking get together and smoke a joint and have a drink and talk? We really have to play a game?"

• 40:58Speaker 05

  I'm not a game guy.

• 40:59Bill Maher?

  I'm not a game, yeah.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, putting shit on your forehead or whatever. Some game where you put the word on, you know, there's just all the weird shit like that.

• 41:07Bill Maher?

  I mean, if you're in the car, like, on a long trip-

• 41:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:09Bill Maher?

  I could see it.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:10Bill Maher?

  You know, you're in the car-

• 41:11Speaker 05

  And you're twelve.

• 41:14Bill Maher?

  Right. Um, but, I don't know, but, are you a married person?

• 41:19Speaker 05

  I am a married person.

• 41:19Bill Maher?

  How long has that been going on?

• 41:21Speaker 05

  Uh, twenty-five years.

• 41:22Bill Maher?

  Twenty-five?

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:27Bill Maher?

  That, that is, that's a big one. That's a silver anniversary, correct?

• 41:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't-

• 41:31Bill Maher?

  Is it? Oh, please, don't pretend like you don't know it is.

• 41:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't. I'm not big on, I don't know, what's the gold, what's the silver, what's the platinum, I don't know.

• 41:39Bill Maher?

  I, you know what?

• 41:40Speaker 05

  I'm not that-

• 41:40Bill Maher?

  You're a good actor, but I'm not buying this.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  Uh.

• 41:42Bill Maher?

  I'm not buying that a man married twenty-five years-

• 41:46Speaker 05

  Doesn't know that's silver.

• 41:46Bill Maher?

  To a woman married twenty-five years- Is not aware- That twenty-five is very important and, and is denoted by silver.

• 41:55Speaker 05

  Silver.

• 41:56Bill Maher?

  Did you, did you already have this anniversary, or is it coming up?

• 41:59Speaker 05

  Uh, it, it's, it's literally coming up in ten days.

• 42:03Bill Maher?

  I would get on your horse.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  Get on, get on, yeah.

• 42:05Bill Maher?

  I really would. I mean, I don't know your wife, but I assume she's a woman, I, if it's not, that's fine, too. And maybe even more if she's not. Whoever you're married to is going to wanna commemorate this.

• 42:20Speaker 05

  Good enough, yeah. It's not, it's not paper, it's not linen, no, it's silver. She may not have to buy something silver.

• 42:27Bill Maher?

  I would do that, yes.

• 42:28Speaker 05

  Like, buy something made of silver.

• 42:30Bill Maher?

  I would do that, yes.

• 42:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay.

• 42:32Bill Maher?

  Yes, I would, exactly.

• 42:33Speaker 05

  Not just a-

• 42:34Bill Maher?

  You've hit it right on the head. Buy something made of silver.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  Made of silver, okay. Not just the silver color, "Hey, I drew this for you, it's silver," no, you, okay. We'll have to work on that, then.

• 42:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. She, my-

• 42:47Bill Maher?

  And are you doing something special?

• 42:49Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, I'll be gone. I'm, I'm gonna be gone, uh, out of town, unfortunately.

• 42:53Bill Maher?

  Well, that's special.

• 42:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:56Speaker 05

  We'll do something, we'll do something afterwards when I get back.

• 42:58Bill Maher?

  So you're on a, you're on a gig?

• 42:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:00Bill Maher?

  Well, that's certainly understandable.

• 43:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, and she's lived with that for, for all of it.

• 43:04Bill Maher?

  But even still, I, when you do celebrate the twenty-five, um, I mean, you know,

• 43:14Bill Maher?

  maybe an out-of-town trip, it's, it's, you know, as opposed to just, you know-

• 43:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:18Bill Maher?

  Going to Craig's.

• 43:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:21Bill Maher?

  It's gotta, it's gotta be a little more than just that.

• 43:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I'll, I'll figure something out.

• 43:28Bill Maher?

  And you'll probably have to put out, too.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Well, I'll try.

• 43:37Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I never got married.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know that.

• 43:39Bill Maher?

  I, uh-

• 43:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:40Bill Maher?

  I, I can't imagine what it would be like if I was celebrating a, a twen- You'd probably be telling me to buy something silver.

• 43:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 43:51Bill Maher?

  But, you know, that's just personal taste, and, um, you know, I certainly know people who would be absolutely lost without their spouse.

• 43:59Speaker 05

  Uh-huh.

• 44:00Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 44:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:02Bill Maher?

  Sometimes it's because, you know, just over time, codependency develops, it's natural. But sometimes it's truly because, I mean, I think of Bill and Hillary Clinton, when they were trying to get her to leave Bill Clinton. I thought it was one of the more honest things in that whole thing, and she was like, "You know, I thought about it, but at the end of the day, I've never met a more interesting person."

• 44:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:23Bill Maher?

  And, yes, he's a hard dog to keep on the porch.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:26Bill Maher?

  But at the end of the day, am I gonna be happier?

• 44:29Speaker 05

  Right.

• 44:30Bill Maher?

  And, no, no.

• 44:33Speaker 05

  Right.

• 44:33Bill Maher?

  And, you know, uh, yeah, I, I, you don't see either one of them really fitting with anybody else.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  Right.

• 44:42Bill Maher?

  And with each other, when it wasn't horrible-

• 44:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:45Bill Maher?

  It was probably great.

• 44:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:46Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 44:47Speaker 05

  I'm sure, yeah. Too smart.

• 44:49Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 44:50Speaker 05

  Charismatic people in their college, and, you know, appreciating each other in that way, of course.

• 44:55Bill Maher?

  Remember when he ran in ninety-two? There used to be these signs, "Hillary's a babe." She did look pretty good.

• 45:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, she was hot in her day.

• 45:01Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, not smoking, but, but hot.

• 45:05Bill Maher?

  In her day, I think, Dean, what you mean is, women are always beautiful, don't you?

• 45:11Speaker 05

  Of course I do!

• 45:12Bill Maher?

  I thought you did.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  Of course I do, especially if they've been married twenty-five years. They're hot as fuck.

• 45:23Speaker 05

  "Hi, honey, I love you, baby," yeah.

• 45:26Bill Maher?

  How'd you meet?

• 45:27Speaker 05

  At a party at my house. Actually, a, a, a mutual friend had tried to set us up for a couple of years. And, but he said, like, Dean's not the settling-down kind of guy, which is true. Um, and then she came to my, to, to my, a party at my house, a Christmas party, it was up in the Hollywood Hills, and I knew she was a Harvard lawyer, to my already intrigued-

• 45:47Bill Maher?

  Harvard what?

• 45:48Speaker 05

  Harvard lawyer, Harvard-trained lawyer.

• 45:49Bill Maher?

  So you're both Harvard?

• 45:50Speaker 05

  So she's smart. And she did one with, I swear to God, Bill, I'm telling you the truth. She, she's blonde, she was, ah, really hot bod, and she did one of these, and pulled her, and pulled her pants kinda part down and showed me her tattoo, and I literally, the next day, called my mom and said, "That's the girl I'm gonna marry." And I married her after four dates.

• 46:09Bill Maher?

  Four days?

• 46:10Speaker 05

  Four dates, dates.

• 46:11Bill Maher?

  Even still?

• 46:12Speaker 05

  Even still. And married within six months.

• 46:17Speaker 05

  How about that?

• 46:18Bill Maher?

  And it worked?

• 46:19Speaker 05

  And it worked. It's crazy.

• 46:21Bill Maher?

  Well, what made you so sure?

• 46:23Speaker 05

  I don't know, but I remember-

• 46:24Bill Maher?

  How old were you at the time?

• 46:25Speaker 05

  I was older. I was thirty-eight. She was ten years younger.

• 46:29Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  Um, but, I don't know, man, it was, you know, it's one of those things, I, I remember reading, like, you know, I don't know, physics and philosophy books, and talking about chemistry, and somehow, um, I was just some,

• 46:44Speaker 05

  "That's the person I need to be with."

• 46:46Bill Maher?

  Important question. What was the tattoo of?

• 46:49Speaker 05

  It was, you know, you, I, I don't know, I just saw the ass.

• 46:53Bill Maher?

  Really? You don't even remember the tattoo?

• 46:55Speaker 05

  I mean, it's still there, but it's, uh, you know, I don't know-

• 46:57Bill Maher?

  You must remember what it is.

• 46:58Speaker 05

  Well, I know, it's some, it's some shape, design, whatever, it's not of a thing, it's like some sort of, you know-

• 47:04Bill Maher?

  Must be of something.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  I, but it's, I don't know, it's not, uh, like I said, I don't know what it is.

• 47:09Bill Maher?

  You know what I would do, if I were you? I would find out what it is.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  Make it in silver.

• 47:14Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 47:15Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 47:15Bill Maher?

  Make something of it in silver.

• 47:19Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 47:21Bill Maher?

  I do so much good here.

• 47:22Speaker 05

  You are so man-

• 47:23Bill Maher?

  I do, I do. I, I help people with their careers.

• 47:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:26Bill Maher?

  I shrink them. I should be getting psychiatry money. Uh, that is the answer.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:34Bill Maher?

  Uh, and we won't air this until after, so, you know-

• 47:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:37Bill Maher?

  She's not listening.

• 47:38Speaker 05

  If I bug up.

• 47:38Bill Maher?

  Not listening to it, anyway. Um, she gets enough of you at home, she's not gonna listen to you here. And, uh, that's what you do. Her tat- her tattoo made into some silver thing that you could put on the mantle, and I, I think it's awesome.

• 47:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, nice. That's something I will consider.

• 47:55Bill Maher?

  I mean, if you were a little younger, I would suggest a silver, making it a silver butt plug. But you're not, and I'm not going to suggest that, and I don't want anyone to be thinking about that.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  Jesus, now I can't get that on my mind.

• 48:06Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 48:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:09Bill Maher?

  I never, uh, never went in for the ass play.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I'm not either, yeah. That's, that's not my game.

• 48:17Bill Maher?

  I'm glad we've gotten to know each other on this, on this level.

• 48:19Speaker 05

  So we're saying- The second move's something- I've never, I haven't seen Cloud and Rav, random, but I hope it's-

• 48:26Bill Maher?

  You know, Trump is always talking about guys' asses.

• 48:28Speaker 05

  God, lately, what the hell, what is that about?

• 48:32Speaker 05

  Because it's pretty like

• 48:35Bill Maher?

  I don't know.

• 48:35Speaker 05

  It's hardcore.

• 48:36Bill Maher?

  But, you know, this guy drops comedy in your lap like a drone from Amazon. Let me tell you.

• 48:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:45Bill Maher?

  It's just like, uh...

• 48:46Speaker 05

  What? I mean, come on, you must have some insight into what is going on there?

• 48:51Bill Maher?

  No, I had dinner with him last week, but I did not think to ask that question.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  That question, yeah.

• 48:59Bill Maher?

  But, uh...

• 48:59Speaker 05

  Did he pat you on the ass?

• 49:00Bill Maher?

  No, no, no. No, I mean, he's plainly not gay. He was a huge player. I mean, you know, no one can deny that.

• 49:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:09Bill Maher?

  He was what we would call a dog.

• 49:10Speaker 05

  But there's some people who are so...

• 49:12Bill Maher?

  Say that as a dog.

• 49:13Speaker 05

  But we know people who are so big of a players, like Charlie Sheen, for instance, that they don't have enough. Women aren't enough. They need to go...

• 49:21Bill Maher?

  Mick Jagger.

• 49:21Speaker 05

  Mick Jagger. They need to go even... They got so much pussy.

• 49:24Bill Maher?

  That's right.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  That they have to, you know, experiment with some other stuff, right?

• 49:29Bill Maher?

  They got bored with all the pussy in the world. They had all of it and they went like, "I need a new hole."

• 49:35Speaker 05

  A new hole.

• 49:36Bill Maher?

  "I've used up all the..."

• 49:38Speaker 05

  All the pussy.

• 49:39Bill Maher?

  "This hole, and I need to find a second hole."

• 49:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:43Bill Maher?

  That is a comment.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Yeah?

• 49:46Bill Maher?

  You know, I...

• 49:47Speaker 05

  I'm not saying that's Trump, but God...

• 49:49Bill Maher?

  No, no, no.

• 49:50Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 49:50Bill Maher?

  No, I think... I think he's so secure

• 49:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:55Bill Maher?

  in his masculinity and knowing that his audience sees him as a macho guy.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:01Bill Maher?

  That he's like, "I'm the one guy in the world who can talk about another guy's ass, and my people will not think I'm gay."

• 50:09Speaker 05

  Right, right. Well, he also called him the stupidest people ever. He could say the stupidest thing ever, and they would clap.

• 50:14Bill Maher?

  The problem is, it comes off as gay.

• 50:19Bill Maher?

  If you're talking about other men's asses.

• 50:22Speaker 05

  And most, and like...

• 50:22Bill Maher?

  To many of us, it comes off as kinda gay.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  And a lot, a lot recently. Like physique.

• 50:29Bill Maher?

  But, you know, I always say, he's like a corrupt sheriff with Tourette's Syndrome. He's not wrong that the town does need cleaning up. And in some ways, he has ideas for it that, I mean, certainly closed the border in a way that is effective, and then went too far, obviously, I think, in many other ways. But not all of his ideas of cleaning up the town are wrong, but he's corrupt, and he also, you know, has Tourette's Syndrome. He just says, if he's thinking about your ass, he's going to be talking about your ass. Whereas like, I mean, "I'm not thinking about your ass, but if I was, I wouldn't... I would have this mechanism to stop it before it came out of my mouth."

• 51:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. You got a nice ass, by the way.

• 51:16Bill Maher?

  So, I, you know, but, look, he goes in and out of reality.

• 51:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:24Bill Maher?

  And, you know, I prefer to think of the president... I'm an optimist. I think of him as half sane. And he is. And that can be worked with.

• 51:35Speaker 05

  You know, those Trump accounts? Brilliant idea. What a great idea. And that's gonna live on.

• 51:42Bill Maher?

  Musk? Did you hear what he's doing? He's giving...

• 51:44Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 51:45Bill Maher?

  He's giving, uh, a stock, one...

• 51:51Speaker 05

  SpaceX stock to every...

• 51:52Bill Maher?

  One SpaceX stock to every child in America.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:57Bill Maher?

  I don't... I haven't heard the details, is that the rich ones, the poor? I guess it's everybody. Is it everybody under 18?

• 52:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:04Bill Maher?

  I mean, that's, uh, that's quite a lot of stock to give away. But, you know, when people have a trillion dollars

• 52:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:12Bill Maher?

  you're kinda gonna have to depend on the kindness of, you know... Bill Gates did it. I mean, Warren Buffett certainly did it.

• 52:22Speaker 05

  Right.

• 52:23Bill Maher?

  I mean, they do... You can't... No. Is it like, in a perfect world, the best way to do it? But you do see people of that kinda great wealth, because usually if you get that kinda great wealth, you're not an idiot.

• 52:35Speaker 05

  Right.

• 52:36Bill Maher?

  Um, so you do understand that, like, "I have more money than I could ever use, and if I hoarded, all these other people could like literally revolt." And that would be something that actually would make my life terrible.

• 52:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:54Bill Maher?

  If the pitchforks come outside the gates, you know? So, maybe do that, just even for my own selfish, self-preservation reasons.

• 53:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:04Bill Maher?

  "Let me give away some money

• 53:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:07Bill Maher?

  to you poor people, so you don't kill me." That is actually a selfish thing to do.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:15Bill Maher?

  Uh, maybe, you know, and maybe there are some altruistic motivations there, but...

• 53:20Speaker 05

  I wonder about that. He's one of the guys that, I mean, I don't think he's Bill Gates or Warren Buffett. Not yet, at least. Not yet, at least. Maybe he's not... Maybe he's still too young. But you don't see Musk libraries or Musk, you know, thing, you know, libraries or anything like that. I mean...

• 53:39Bill Maher?

  But that's, I mean, yeah, I'd...

• 53:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Well, you do see everybody else and what they've contributed. And if you look at the percentage of wealth that they've contributed, it's huge.

• 53:46Bill Maher?

  I think library, uh, well, I think any giving to a library or a college is bullshit.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Bullshit.

• 53:53Bill Maher?

  Carve it as a $60 billion endowment.

• 53:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:57Bill Maher?

  You know, um, you're charging the kids a lot. Make the... It's a fucking asshole factor to begin with. "Sorry, it's your alma mater." "Mine's Cornell, so I got even worse month than you."

• 54:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:11Bill Maher?

  Uh, but, uh, no, I don't... People who give to like their alma mater or like

• 54:18Speaker 05

  Opera.

• 54:19Bill Maher?

  The opera, exactly. It's like, "Fuck off." You want... You like opera, great, but don't write... You don't get to write it off as charity. That's so ridiculous to me.

• 54:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm with you on that. But I do think that guys like Gates and have given to humanitarian causes and have really saved a lot of people from starvation and such in Africa and blah, blah, blah.

• 54:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 54:41Speaker 05

  You know, so I don't know that Musk has done that yet. But again, he's kinda younger.

• 54:46Bill Maher?

  Well, until they pulled Starlink, I guess it's back, but Starlink saved a lot of lives in Ukraine. So, you know, he has the ability, and look, he looks like he's gonna get to the point where people who are paralyzed can move things with their... You know, he does amazing things.

• 55:08Speaker 05

  He's done great stuff.

• 55:09Bill Maher?

  There's no doubt about it.

• 55:10Speaker 05

  No.

• 55:11Bill Maher?

  Um, and what he's interested, he's, you know, primarily, he's certainly got more money than God, but it's not really what motivates him. It's, he wakes up to like, do the next engineering project. I don't know him well, but I've been around him enough to know. I know a nerdy kid when I see one.

• 55:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:32Bill Maher?

  And I know what turns that nerdy kid on. And it's getting a Rubik's Cube in there. And I mean, that's what, you know... I've known him at times when he didn't have a house, and it wasn't that long ago.

• 55:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:44Bill Maher?

  He didn't care.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:45Bill Maher?

  You know, he doesn't need a mansion.

• 55:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:47Bill Maher?

  You know, now he's got a compound, and

• 55:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:49Bill Maher?

  he just wants to do his thing and impregnate women.

• 55:54Speaker 05

  And he's a fan of Breaking Bad, by the way.

• 55:55Bill Maher?

  And elect Republican, you know?

• 55:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:58Bill Maher?

  But, you know...

• 55:58Speaker 05

  Ken Paxton.

• 55:59Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, he's, uh, yeah, these people who, uh, they're geniuses in one way, and so they think they're geniuses in every way, and you're not. You're like, you're not sophisticated politically, a lot of these people.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:16Bill Maher?

  Me, I am. That's my bu... That's my business.

• 56:19Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 56:19Bill Maher?

  Um, you may not think I'm right all the time, but I know what the fuck I'm talking about. A lot of these people don't. It does not stop them from talking.

• 56:27Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 56:28Bill Maher?

  And with, in his case, I think it was just, he lost, he would say, lost a son to trans, and he does not like it, and the kid is... has completely disavowed him.

• 56:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:42Bill Maher?

  And he blames the left for that, and it's a grudge... It's really just a grudge match

• 56:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:50Bill Maher?

  because of that. Like, I mean, he's not wrong that wokeism did jump the shark.

• 56:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:55Bill Maher?

  Um, but it's just, you could tell, it's very personal.

• 57:00Speaker 05

  I did not see that part of it.

• 57:03Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, it's definitely that.

• 57:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:05Bill Maher?

  It's a lot of that. And, I mean, Trump is the same sort of mentality of like vengeance and, you know, as many have said, it's like, he's not really a conservative. He's just very anti-wokeism, and some of that makes a lot of sense. I'm very anti-woke extremism.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  I'm with you. All you need to know about Trump is that at Obama Correspondents' Dinner, when they... He said, "I'll never be..."

• 57:31Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  I mean, just look at his reaction. He's like, "Fuck you." And, you know what I'm saying? With a fucking exclamation.

• 57:39Bill Maher?

  Oh, I do know what you're saying.

• 57:40Speaker 05

  You know, I mean, that was really... I feel like, I feel like everything came from that moment. I mean, obviously, probably, you know, he wanted to be, uh, be president instead, but I feel like that was like the

• 57:53Bill Maher?

  Totally.

• 57:53Speaker 05

  the real bam, you know?

• 57:55Bill Maher?

  And, you know, I mean, I've certainly never held back on cataloging all of his horrible missteps, vengences, corruptions, but wow, that's pretty badass to sit there, get humiliated, and say, you know, if this was a movie, you know, turn to the co-star or whoever and go, "I'm gonna get back at that asshole." And then do it.

• 58:25Speaker 05

  And then do it. Twice.

• 58:27Bill Maher?

  Twice.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Separated by, uh...

• 58:31Bill Maher?

  I tried to convince him the first time I had dinner with him that actually losing...

• 58:41Bill Maher?

  The in-between election was the best thing that ever happened because it's like in a superhero movie, or really any movie, you know, there's three reels.

• 58:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:54Bill Maher?

  The hero has to fall in the second reel.

• 58:56Speaker 05

  Right.

• 58:56Bill Maher?

  So that he can rise again, you know.

• 58:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:59Bill Maher?

  This, this, and everybody else in the world seems to understand the concept that it's okay to lose. It's how you come back from losing.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  Right.

• 59:10Bill Maher?

  Everybody says that. Left-wingers, right-wingers, that's a big theme, you know. Sure, you get knocked down in life.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:16Bill Maher?

  It's not about getting knocked down, it's how you get back up.

• 59:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:20Bill Maher?

  That's not Trump.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:21Bill Maher?

  He's, "I never get knocked down."

• 59:23Speaker 05

  Ever. Ever.

• 59:25Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's just...

• 59:26Speaker 05

  And he didn't lose that election.

• 59:27Bill Maher?

  That is, there is...

• 59:28Speaker 05

  Ever.

• 59:29Bill Maher?

  Oh, we talked about it just, he said a few nights ago. "I won the popular vote three times. I said you won it once."

• 59:39Bill Maher?

  To his great credit, he doesn't get mad at me.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure.

• 59:42Bill Maher?

  We've got a real, uh...

• 59:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, but we...

• 59:45Bill Maher?

  Don Rickles, Frank Sinatra thing going, you know. You know, Rickles, when he would kid Sinatra. Nobody ever kidded Sinatra.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 59:54Bill Maher?

  Because he was Frank Sinatra.

• 59:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:56Bill Maher?

  But when Rickles was like on the Tonight Show with him, I remember this. And he's just calling him every mafia joke. And, uh, "Frank, you know, bubanzu dugan doo." And Sinatra's just dying.

• 1:00:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Bill Maher?

  But if you didn't do it just right, you know, like...

• 1:00:11Speaker 05

  You'd be dead.

• 1:00:12Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know, but Frank was not a guy...

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, you wanna fuck with him.

• 1:00:17Bill Maher?

  You don't wanna stick your hand in the cage, you know. Um, but, but Rickles got away with it. I don't know.

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  Well, I've always wondered, I think the world wonders, and you probably have some insight on this, into how much, I've always, well, I don't wanna get too much into, how much he really believes what he says.

• 1:00:35Bill Maher?

  Um, oh, I can tell you, exactly.

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  I mean, he, he, he's smart enough to know that he didn't win the popular vote.

• 1:00:41Bill Maher?

  Much more self-aware.

• 1:00:43Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:00:43Bill Maher?

  He's much more self-aware.

• 1:00:45Speaker 05

  Right. He's playing a part, he's playing a role.

• 1:00:47Bill Maher?

  Not completely.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Not completely?

• 1:00:49Bill Maher?

  Uh, no, abs, no, no, no.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:00:51Bill Maher?

  Not completely.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  But somewhat.

• 1:00:53Bill Maher?

  He, he goes back and forth from, look, I've now spent seven hours there. Uh, back and forth between a, yes, a, a reasonable grasp of reality, and then it, it sort of, he loses it, you know. Um, "You're my enemy," and then, "Please pass the piece." It's, you know, it's just, um, that's, that's as best as I can describe it.

• 1:01:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Bill Maher?

  Um, you can think, because he does indicate at some points that he is aware of things like he lost that election, but then he'll lose it again.

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Bill Maher?

  And I think it's, he's honestly losing it. Or then gaining it. I don't, I don't know. But I've seen both, and both seemed, I don't think it's an act. I don't think he ever acts. I mean, that's the thing. He doesn't really, uh, you know, for better or worse, um, you know, he, he, he just doesn't hide anything.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:56Bill Maher?

  That's what I mean about Tourette's Syndrome.

• 1:01:57Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:01:58Bill Maher?

  If he's thinking about your ass, he'll say it.

• 1:02:00Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:02:00Bill Maher?

  If you say something he doesn't like in an interview, he'll go, "You're a terrible person."

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Bill Maher?

  Because that's exactly what he's thinking, and the Tourette's person just says it out loud. "You're a terrible person."

• 1:02:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Bill Maher?

  Who does that?

• 1:02:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Bill Maher?

  Him.

• 1:02:13Speaker 05

  You're a pig. Are we called little piggy?

• 1:02:16Bill Maher?

  Yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah, just, uh, and, and there is a part of that that is almost refreshing because it's, oh, you're not lying. You know, he's not, he's not playing that game. He's, you, you see exactly what is on his mind. Um, that's what his fans love about it.

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  And people were very appreciative of it, and obviously it worked.

• 1:02:38Bill Maher?

  And some of it, you know, again, like, I, I, oh, good, I see that. It's not, it's not a lie.

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Bill Maher?

  I mean, there are times in my life I've wanted to say to an interviewer, "You're a terrible person." I just didn't.

• 1:02:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, right.

• 1:02:51Bill Maher?

  Does that make me more of a coward than him? Well, some people would say, yes.

• 1:02:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Bill Maher?

  He had the balls to just say what he thought. Yeah, that is true. Um, I don't know. I mean, it depends on the situation and all that, but...

• 1:03:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:02Bill Maher?

  I don't mean to get you off on my...

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

• 1:03:05Bill Maher?

  My area, this is, but, you know, you seem like a guy who obviously follows what's going on. But you don't let it, you know, I, I hope you're not one of those people who can't see that while all this is going on, we have wonderful lives.

• 1:03:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not that, it, it, yeah.

• 1:03:24Bill Maher?

  Where'd you say you were?

• 1:03:25Speaker 05

  It doesn't change me.

• 1:03:25Bill Maher?

  You're in Telem, Telemarketer?

• 1:03:28Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:03:29Bill Maher?

  Where's the, what's the town? Telem, Telemarketer?

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm with Telemarketer from Temecula.

• 1:03:34Bill Maher?

  Temecula, that's what it is.

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  Telemarketer.

• 1:03:37Bill Maher?

  You're a telemarketer from Temecula. That could be, could be a song.

• 1:03:40Speaker 05

  Little bit.

• 1:03:41Bill Maher?

  Um, but, uh, that sounds like a pleasant experience and, and it...

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  It is, and it's very, it's very red area of California, I might add.

• 1:03:48Bill Maher?

  Is it really?

• 1:03:49Speaker 05

  Oh, super. Daralisa is, was our, is our rep or was it? They keep changing the, the things, but...

• 1:03:54Bill Maher?

  I used to have him on. We got along.

• 1:03:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. Ken Calvert.

• 1:03:57Bill Maher?

  Don't know him.

• 1:03:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's, it's funny, 'cause I was there.

• 1:04:00Bill Maher?

  So it's near San Diego?

• 1:04:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's, yeah, right. Outside of San Diego, north of San Diego.

• 1:04:04Bill Maher?

  The OC.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  The OC. It's, um, and I moved there specifically because I got married and started having kids. So, wanted to be in a small town. We lived in Calabasas for a, for a brief moment, and I was like, this is not familiar for me.

• 1:04:18Bill Maher?

  Why? What's wrong with Calabasas?

• 1:04:19Speaker 05

  Well, it was, you know, Hidden Hills, we went out, and there was always people around. There would be paparazzi at their little elementary school.

• 1:04:26Bill Maher?

  Well, 'cause the Kardashians lived there.

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. And, and some other people lived there. Um, yeah, but the point is, it was not real, it was not the reality I wanted them to grow up with. And so, I was happy to, to move out to a small...

• 1:04:41Bill Maher?

  So how old are the kids now?

• 1:04:43Speaker 05

  Uh, well, I have an older daughter, not with my wife, who's 34, and then they are, fuck, this is always... 17, uh, 18 going on, 19, 21, just turned 21.

• 1:04:53Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:04:54Speaker 05

  One, two, three, and then 24.

• 1:04:56Bill Maher?

  You almost don't remember how many kids you...

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  I don't. I call them thing one, two, and three.

• 1:05:00Bill Maher?

  Wow, they came quickly.

• 1:05:02Speaker 05

  They did.

• 1:05:02Bill Maher?

  So they, so you had a whole brood of kids.

• 1:05:04Speaker 05

  A brood of kids, yeah.

• 1:05:05Bill Maher?

  And you like them?

• 1:05:07Speaker 05

  I do, mostly.

• 1:05:08Bill Maher?

  Some people don't.

• 1:05:10Speaker 05

  No, I, I love my kids.

• 1:05:11Bill Maher?

  Some people don't.

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  No, I know, I know, and I don't, I don't, I don't get that.

• 1:05:14Bill Maher?

  And they're not even abashed about saying, yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:18Bill Maher?

  They will, they will actually say, "Yeah, I don't like my kids."

• 1:05:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Bill Maher?

  Well, you raised them that way, you know.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  And I love my kids. I don't know if they all like me, but I, but, uh, I love them dearly, man. They're, they're the best.

• 1:05:32Bill Maher?

  So they're not like so woke that they drive you crazy?

• 1:05:34Speaker 05

  Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:05:36Bill Maher?

  That's usually what I hear from people this age, is like, "My kids are driving me crazy." Because they're so crazy woke, and I'm a liberal.

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Bill Maher?

  And they, I'm not good enough for them, and it just drives them...

• 1:05:48Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:05:48Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, that, that's very, come on, you live out here.

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  That's not even, that's not even, yeah, maybe out here. Maybe out here, but Temecula's not like that.

• 1:05:55Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  That's the point.

• 1:05:56Bill Maher?

  Right. You live in Telemarketer. That's very different. You go to the ice cream shop.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  Go to baseball games, you know, a lot of, lot of, uh, cops, firefighters, and ex-military because out of, uh, out of Camp Pendleton, they moved there, that kind of, that kind of vibe.

• 1:06:12Bill Maher?

  Barber shop. Is it, uh, are we...

• 1:06:17Speaker 05

  I don't know if there's a barber shop.

• 1:06:17Bill Maher?

  Are we checking the proper diversity boxes there in, in Telemarketer?

• 1:06:22Speaker 05

  It's, it's, it's getting there. It's getting there. I've been there 20, you know, I've been there since I was married, so, since 24 years, so it's, uh, it's definitely, uh...

• 1:06:31Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  A lot of people have moved in from OC and, and LA, so it's, it's, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's evolving.

• 1:06:39Bill Maher?

  All right.

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:40Bill Maher?

  Well, I appreciate you making the drive up the freeway to see me here. This was a delight.

• 1:06:46Speaker 05

  Thank you, man.

• 1:06:46Bill Maher?

  Glad I got to know you. I, I, I'm gonna have you back someday after I've seen the, the entire...

• 1:06:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:53Bill Maher?

  How many seasons?

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  Uh, well, six, really. The last season was split into 5A and 5B, but...

• 1:06:59Bill Maher?

  How many episodes in a season?

• 1:07:00Speaker 05

  Sixty, well, um, it depended. It changed. Eight, 13, total 62. But don't let that...

• 1:07:05Bill Maher?

  Sixty-two?

• 1:07:06Speaker 05

  But don't let that, yeah, don't let that scare you.

• 1:07:08Bill Maher?

  Fuck, I can do that in a weekend.

• 1:07:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. And it goes well with this, by the way. You wanna sit, you wanna watch it like a movie. So you wanna sit in a dark room, have a little of this, and you're, you will appreciate the fuck out of it.

• 1:07:22Bill Maher?

  I never get high for TV.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  Get out of here.

• 1:07:24Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:07:25Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:07:25Bill Maher?

  But I, I don't smoke every day. I smoke for special occasions.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Bill Maher?

  Now, what I call special is a little, you know, the...

• 1:07:33Speaker 05

  Friend coming over.

• 1:07:34Bill Maher?

  But it, but it's definitely not watching TV.

• 1:07:38Speaker 05

  Oh, wow, no shit.

• 1:07:39Bill Maher?

  TV is for like very passive, this is very active.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  Oh, see, we have a, I, I love, I love a show that can, can captivate me while I've had a, had a joint or two. And if that's a show, then I, that show is really...

• 1:07:52Bill Maher?

  I'm sure it would be better if I did.

• 1:07:53Speaker 05

  Well, you just do them both.

• 1:07:54Bill Maher?

  I just can't use pot for everything.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:57Bill Maher?

  I gotta pick my spots.

• 1:07:58Speaker 05

  Right, right, right.

• 1:07:59Bill Maher?

  But, you know, maybe I'll make an exception.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  I'll at least, at least watch one episode.

• 1:08:03Bill Maher?

  Maybe I'll see the first episode and go, "I gotta get stoned for the record." Your book.

• 1:08:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's coming out, uh, November 17th. It's the definitive oral history of Breaking Bad.

• 1:08:14Bill Maher?

  We're doing this backwards. He says the answer, and then I ask the question. It's like Jeopardy, or whatever. Is that the show where they, what is it?

• 1:08:21Speaker 05

  What is, what is, blah, blah, blah?

• 1:08:22Bill Maher?

  What is the book that you're plugging called Do, Do What You're Gonna Do? Dean Norris.

• 1:08:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Bill Maher?

  With Joe Ladin. I hear he did really nothing, Joe. I think you did all of it, that's what I hear.

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  Believe me, I, I just dictated the fuck out of it.

• 1:08:35Bill Maher?

  The definitive oral history, well, oral history, and yet it is a book, so...

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  Right, but it's all interviews. It's all interviews.

• 1:08:41Bill Maher?

  Okay, but, I mean...

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  So it's, it's, um, I transcript, okay? How about that? The definitive transcription.

• 1:08:47Bill Maher?

  Why is there nothing on the back?

• 1:08:48Speaker 05

  Because it's a fake book, bro. It's not printed yet.

• 1:08:51Bill Maher?

  Okay, it's not printed yet.

• 1:08:52Speaker 05

  But thanks for pointing that out.

• 1:08:53Bill Maher?

  Well, it's gonna, it's gonna say...

• 1:08:55Speaker 05

  See what's in the fucking page. Look at the page, there's a special note for you.

• 1:08:58Bill Maher?

  Oh, a very important, all right. Oh, this is the real book?

• 1:09:01Speaker 05

  No, it's not.

• 1:09:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, it's not? Because the book itself isn't, I get it.

• 1:09:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Bill Maher?

  Um...

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  Well, we're gonna send you a copy now.

• 1:09:09Bill Maher?

  But...

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  After you watch the show.

• 1:09:11Bill Maher?

  Let me tell you.

• 1:09:12Speaker 05

  My picture's probably gonna be there in the real book.

• 1:09:14Bill Maher?

  These blurbs.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, the blurbs suck, right.

• 1:09:16Bill Maher?

  Just unbelievable.

• 1:09:22Bill Maher?

  All right, great to meet you. Thank you so much.

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  Thanks, man. Appreciate it. This is my beer. Straight or brown?

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