Cary Elwes | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher sits down with actor Cary Elwes for a freewheeling conversation that starts with hair jokes and quickly becomes a masterclass in craft, including the moment Al Pacino changed Cary’s life with a simple “work the muscle” speech. They take on Hollywood’s gun obsession, Olivier vs. Brando, Kubrick’s genius (and excess), whether 2001 is transcendent or a sedative, and why A Clockwork Orange still ignites debate decades later. Along the way: Braveheart, Scarface tattoos, and Catholic guilt. They cancel hell, roast John Wick, and somehow land on the idea of Pacino as God in Purgatory. Support our Advertisers: -Try ZipRecruiter for free at https://www.ziprecruiter.com/random -Get 15% off OneSkin with the code RANDOM at https://www.oneskin.co/RANDOM #oneskinpod #ad -Head to https://www.superpower.com and use code RANDOM at checkout for $20 off your membership. Live up to your 100-Year potential. #superpowerpod #ad Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 2:09Speaker 04

  Look, you're talking about one of my favorite movies.

• 2:11Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 2:11Speaker 04

  I consider Key Break Black...

• 2:14Bill Maher?

  We're not arguing.

• 2:17Bill Maher?

  Pulling kale.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  Pulling Kyle.

• 2:20Bill Maher?

  Excuse me.

• 2:21Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 2:26Bill Maher?

  Hey.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Hey, Bill.

• 2:28Bill Maher?

  How are you?

• 2:28Speaker 04

  I'm good, man. How are you?

• 2:32Bill Maher?

  You've aged well. You look very similar to when I first saw you on the screen.

• 2:37Speaker 04

  Thank you, Bill.

• 2:38Bill Maher?

  Been a fan for a long time.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you.

• 2:40Bill Maher?

  You're a lot of fan.

• 2:41Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 2:42Bill Maher?

  I found out when I told people you were coming on.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Thank you, Bill.

• 2:46Bill Maher?

  All right, well, that's it. Thank you for coming by.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  Thank you, I appreciate it.

• 2:49Bill Maher?

  I just wanted to give you an affirmation for today.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  Take care. Appreciate you. Great to see you.

• 2:53Bill Maher?

  And you have all your hair?

• 2:54Speaker 04

  Uh, well, so, it's not a wig yet.

• 2:58Bill Maher?

  What do you mean? What is it?

• 3:00Speaker 04

  God, it's my real hair, yeah. So do you.

• 3:04Bill Maher?

  I think you have more. I don't want to get into a...

• 3:08Bill Maher?

  Look, if this leads to a dick, you know, contest, and I'm just... No, but, yeah, you look like you have a few more than I do. Because, you know, it is a struggle to retain the things that give the population the allure that you're still young.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 3:32Bill Maher?

  And you can do it with two things. If you're not fat and if you have hair.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  True.

• 3:39Bill Maher?

  And also, you can't drink a lot.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:42Bill Maher?

  Because then you look like Ted Kennedy in 1980.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  No, we don't want that. No.

• 3:45Bill Maher?

  And it's just no good.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  I used to, when I was a kid, but I...

• 3:48Bill Maher?

  Me too. When I was a kid of 50, I did... Are you kidding? I mean, I only quit when I...

• 3:55Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 3:55Bill Maher?

  Well, it's true.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  No, I know.

• 3:57Bill Maher?

  I always say you're, like, in basketball, there's this, or all sports, where there's a saying, you give what the, you take what the defense gives you.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:05Bill Maher?

  And you're, and it's like that, I think, with the body. Like, when my body gave me 30 drinks a week, I had them.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 4:12Bill Maher?

  And now my body gives me two.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:15Bill Maher?

  And I'm gonna have one of them right now.

• 4:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, for real. Same thing. You know, when you're a teenager or in your 20s, you feel like you're immortal. You know, you can drink all night long, go out, party, do anything, and then...

• 4:29Bill Maher?

  Did you?

• 4:29Speaker 04

  Oh, for sure. You know, I was like any other teenager, you know? I rebelled and...

• 4:33Bill Maher?

  No, I mean, like, teenager. Teen, I wish I was like that as a teenager. I was a loser, so I wish somebody invited me out to, like, do bad things.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  I lived in New York for 10 years. So, a whole decade of New York in the 80s will do it to you, Bill.

• 4:48Bill Maher?

  But you're British, right?

• 4:49Speaker 04

  Yes, sir.

• 4:51Bill Maher?

  You grew up in Britain?

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Yes, sir. Moved to the States when I was eighteen.

• 4:54Bill Maher?

  Okay. We invited you, or you just barged your way in?

• 4:57Speaker 04

  I just barged my way in.

• 4:58Bill Maher?

  All these other...

• 5:00Speaker 04

  I always wanted to work here. I always...

• 5:02Bill Maher?

  British?

• 5:02Speaker 04

  A British actor who had a great appreciation for American film. Because I sort of came of age in the seventies, when the... Sixties and seventies, when movies were really getting really interesting, right?

• 5:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Counter-culture.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Totally. And so, my favorite actors, besides some of the British ones I grew up with,

• 5:28Speaker 04

  were American actors, especially New York ones, you know? Character actors like Dustin, Bob, Bobby Duval, Al Pacino. You know, these were, these were, these people, you know, loomed large in my consciousness.

• 5:43Bill Maher?

  You look more like Robert Redford.

• 5:46Bill Maher?

  That really should have been your...

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Thank you. God, I wish. That's a very nice compliment.

• 5:49Bill Maher?

  Blonde.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 5:51Bill Maher?

  You know, handsome blonde guy. I mean, the guys you mentioned are not like lookers.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, no. I, I, I... When I was eighteen, or twenties, actually, when I did Princess Bride, twenty-four, I thought, "God, I'm just gonna get non-stop, you know..."

• 6:08Bill Maher?

  What?

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Blonde, blue-eyed, you know, prince roles, which is what happened. I got offered every movie with a sword, you know what I mean? And I'm like, "No." Or fairy tale, or you meet the princess, and you save the princess, fight the dragon, they don't fight that. And I just thought, "Man..."

• 6:24Bill Maher?

  So what do you do to fight that? You have to then play a bad guy?

• 6:27Speaker 04

  Well, yeah. So I was like, "Oh, God, I gotta change this face. I gotta mix it up, Bill. I've gotta try and find a way to, to change my path, or the path that's people want me to take, right?" And I'll tell you a quick funny story. I was in New York... By the way, living in New York, not working. I don't know if you've ever been through that. Not a great thing to do.

• 6:49Bill Maher?

  I lived in New York as a comedian.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 6:52Bill Maher?

  Which is someone who certainly doesn't work in the day.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  Right, right. But you got paid to go up on stage and do your act.

• 6:58Bill Maher?

  Not at first, no.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 7:00Bill Maher?

  Oh, no. I sold drugs.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 7:02Bill Maher?

  We all did.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  Well, that's a lucrative business.

• 7:04Bill Maher?

  Yeah, there's no pay at the beginning.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Right.

• 7:07Bill Maher?

  But very soon, if you're good, when I say very soon, within a couple of years, you, you know, are you doing great? No, but you have enough to live. And that always made the actors in New York very jealous of us. Because the comedians didn't have to wait tables.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Right, yeah, no, to you, waiting tables.

• 7:27Bill Maher?

  Why, you did?

• 7:28Speaker 04

  Not in New York, in London, I did. I was a busboy.

• 7:32Bill Maher?

  I never did, bitch.

• 7:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:35Bill Maher?

  I never waited on a table. No, I remember, we used to, comedians used to kind of like be in the diner or whatever it was, and there was like, you know, there was a kind of a, especially in the theater district.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 7:47Bill Maher?

  Because the improv was 44th and 9th. It was created as a place for, I mean, the improv, which has spawned all the comedy clubs, the urban comedy, was created in 1962 by Bud Friedman as a place for the theater crowd.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 8:03Bill Maher?

  To go after the show. It wasn't originally.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  I didn't know that. That's interesting.

• 8:07Bill Maher?

  Absolutely. It wasn't necessarily a comedy club, but it was, they put comics up, but like anybody who had just done their show.

• 8:13Speaker 04

  Right.

• 8:14Bill Maher?

  And was loose and getting, having drinks. That was the hang of 44th and 9th. It was right, it was a block away from Times Square and.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, Times Square, back when I lived there, was kind of more like Taxi Driver. You know, when he drives through, it was like that. It was intense.

• 8:28Bill Maher?

  I lived close there. I lived in Hell's Kitchen.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  You know what I'm talking about, okay. So, anyway, so I'm kind of not working in New York, which again is not great. Because, you know, you're starting to like figure out what you're gonna eat, how you're gonna make the rent, all that stuff.

• 8:41Bill Maher?

  Yep.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  I'm in a restaurant with a friend. And he starts having a heart attack at lunch, my friend. And I'm like, what's going on? Are you OK? He's like, Al Pacino, three o'clock. I'm like, what? He goes, Al Pacino.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  I look over and sure enough, Al's there. This is Cafe de Zartiste, which he was, my friend was paying for. I couldn't afford that lunch. And.

• 9:07Bill Maher?

  I remember.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  You remember Cafe, right?

• 9:09Bill Maher?

  Was that where the crayons on the table?

• 9:11Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 9:11Bill Maher?

  I think it was. It was one of those where they like, they had like, the tablecloth was paper, you know?

• 9:18Speaker 04

  Really?

• 9:18Bill Maher?

  Yes, and there was crayons. You were supposed to like draw. It was so, it was so. It was, you know?

• 9:25Speaker 04

  Anyway, so there's Al. He's a.

• 9:27Bill Maher?

  That's why they hate us in the Midwest. Who can fucking blame them? There's crayons on the table. Be artistic while you're ordering.

• 9:36Speaker 04

  Anyway, so there's Al. And he's entertaining. He's got like 12 people at a long table. And he's at the head of the table. And my friend, who's an actor, also not working, by the way, he goes, hey, we're actors. We should go say hi to Al. I'm like, no, we really shouldn't. He's with friends. Let's not do that.

• 9:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 9:54Speaker 04

  And as I'm saying, let's not do that. He's up and out of the chair and he's over there.

• 9:58Bill Maher?

  Oh, my.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  And I'm like, turning the color of your curtain right here. And I'm just so embarrassed right now. I'm like, oh, God. I look over and I see him gesturing. Al's like, who is this guy? Are you a waiter? What is this? And I see him point, my friend, point to me, saying that, over there. And Al looks over and I can see him looking right at me. Now I'm really mortified.

• 10:23Bill Maher?

  Why is he blaming you?

• 10:25Speaker 04

  Because he's saying, come over to come and say hello.

• 10:27Bill Maher?

  Oh, oh, oh. Well, so your friend succeeded.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  He did well. Not that, I'm wondering, like, do you really, is this really what Al wants? To have people come up and introduce themselves, strangers, all the time while he's having lunch with his friends? And I'm thinking, I walk over.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  And my friend says, oh, Mr. Sheena, it's my friend Carrie, always sees an actor. And he goes, oh, yeah? What are you doing right now? And I said, well, you know, I'm, uh, I'm going up on auditions and I'm between jobs. And he goes, oh, so you're drifting? And I went, oh, great, this is great. Michael Corleone just called me a drifter. It's, gee, this is exactly my day is working out as planned. And he goes, let me ask you a question, Carrie. And he taps my heart, Bill, like that. And he goes, what's this? I go, my heart? He goes, no. Then he taps my head right here. He goes, what's that? And I said, it's not my brain, is it?

• 11:28Speaker 04

  And he goes, no. He goes, they're muscles, Carrie. Do you go to the gym? I go, yeah. He goes, what happens when you stop working out? I says, I said, well, you atrophy. He said, that's right. These are muscles. You gotta go to the gym and go work them out. That's why I go, I do plays. I always keep my muscles loose so that I'm ready to, to work.

• 11:49Bill Maher?

  He said that?

• 11:50Speaker 04

  He said that. So, he said, he gave me his assistant, it's not, it's amazing. Gave me his assistant, and I goes, you know, you should go check out Lee Strasberg in Stew, where I, my, my mentor is teaching there. Go audition, I'll help you get in the door, but you go, the rest is on you. I went, I auditioned, I got in. Ended up training with his mentor, a guy called Charlie Lawton, not the actor, but the same name. And changed my life. I started working like, within a month or two.

• 12:20Bill Maher?

  It's a beautiful story when a celebrity gives you the absolute personal number of his own assistant.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Doesn't happen.

• 12:31Bill Maher?

  I mean, it just, it just, it touches the, this thing and this thing. You know what? And as far as this thing and this thing go, see, that is the difference between comedians and actors. And you know, I mean, we have a lot in common and we have seen some things that are not. I mean, when you're a comedian, everyone is always coming up to you and saying, tell me a joke. But when you're an actor, no, people don't come up to you and say, show me a menu.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  Right. No, it's true.

• 12:54Bill Maher?

  I just had to get one more, you guys were waiters joke in there.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  I was actually a busboy, I was never a waiter. It's even lower than a waiter, Bill.

• 13:03Bill Maher?

  But, but.

• 13:06Bill Maher?

  You know, that acting stuff, see, I mean, I made my living as an actor in the eighties. You know, we all did as comics. We then went on to sitcoms and stuff like that.

• 13:16Bill Maher?

  And it just, it just, you just feel like you're doing every, I enjoyed some of it, but like, you are doing things left-handed a little bit because it is your nature as a comic to not be a character, to be as real as you can, to be just, at least my brand.

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:34Bill Maher?

  So it was, it's always a bit of a stretch and, you know, at some point, you know, the business taps you on the shoulder and says, this is not what you're meant for. And, you know, but it does, sometimes takes time to find that, but. But, you know, Al Pacino, I know him a little bit and he's, he is a very generous soul person.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Generous, I mean, that story in of itself.

• 14:00Bill Maher?

  And he also is a guy who, more than really almost all the other actors, he does take this shit seriously, like he, he really, I mean, even if you're, anything except Shakespeare.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:13Bill Maher?

  Is kind of second class. It's like Shakespeare is really what we're here in this business to do.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 14:21Bill Maher?

  We will do other things. Ward knows he's done plenty of other things.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 14:27Bill Maher?

  But really, we're here to do Shakespeare.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 14:29Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, that's.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  I followed him on tour when he did American Buffalo. Do you remember that playing?

• 14:34Bill Maher?

  Uh, Mamet?

• 14:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:36Bill Maher?

  Mamet's been here a few times. I loved him.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  And he was brilliant, I'm sure. But, but he was brilliant in that role, American Buffalo, I don't know if you ever saw it.

• 14:47Bill Maher?

  What is that about?

• 14:48Speaker 04

  It's about, it's like three guys trying to figure out how to, I think they had trying to steal a, a nickel or something. I don't know. I've forgotten. It's been so long. But I remember there's a lot of drama and it's very tense. It's Mamet.

• 15:01Bill Maher?

  No profanity.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  No, of course not. It's David Mamet, please. No, but it's Al trying to change his, his life with a, a miracle and he plays a very conflicted human being, very, very well, I might add.

• 15:18Bill Maher?

  So you go back to the theater just because of the muscle thing? Muscle, heart, pointing, Al, restaurant crayons, and then so you.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  So we're back to the, this is great, Bill.

• 15:30Bill Maher?

  So you.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  My interview with the waiter Carrie always. That's great.

• 15:37Bill Maher?

  Former waiter, let's be fair, okay.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  No, it was about, the actors, the least I was beginning to see were very similar to the actor studio. They teach you Stanislavski, they teach you preparation, they teach you relaxation, they teach you character, they teach you background, they teach you, yeah, go on.

• 15:55Bill Maher?

  As a limey.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 15:57Bill Maher?

  And I say that with affection.

• 15:58Speaker 04

  You can call it still, you call.

• 16:00Bill Maher?

  Who, when I was a kid, the world's most famous, or at least, at least the common opinion that he was, that he was the greatest actor in the world was Laurence Olivier.

• 16:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:12Bill Maher?

  Who had no use for any of that stuff.

• 16:15Speaker 04

  No.

• 16:17Bill Maher?

  Was he a great actor? Is it just the different styles of the times? Because when you watch old movies, you know, you just have to forgive them for being pre-realistic era. We grew up in the era where, especially as the 60s, we were saying before, those kind of movies. Like, the audience no longer accepted just, I shoot you and there's no blood, and you just kind of fall in a heap and, you know, you had to do everything realistically.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:53Bill Maher?

  Olivier was pre-that.

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was heightened realism. I mean, I was fascinated by.

• 16:59Bill Maher?

  What a nice way to say ham.

• 17:02Speaker 04

  No, I think, I think it's a fair way to say it without being offensive to his talent. Olivier, you look at like Richard III, or Hamlet, or, or anything he did, Henry V.

• 17:15Bill Maher?

  I love him.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  They're all great, but he's, there's a heightened sense of reality with the way that he delivers. Obviously, one of the great Shakespearean actors of all time. But even when he's doing Rebecca or something like that, you feel like there's a realism, but it's heightened. For me, it's heightened. But then Marlon Brando comes along and he pushes that all aside and goes, "I'm gonna sweat, I'm gonna sniff, I'm gonna be..." "You can smell me on screen, right? You can feel the dirt under my fingernails."

• 17:46Bill Maher?

  Actually, with Brando, you could smell him. And you could see the dirt under his fingernails.

• 17:52Speaker 04

  No, I think that was the point, though, that he was being. Marlon started to be on screen, whereas other people before him were creating... Yeah, go on.

• 18:02Bill Maher?

  It also has to do with the roles you're taking now. I mean, Stanley Kowalski, yes, you have to be that. Spartacus is Nemesis, the noble Roman Crassus, who Olivier played in the movie Spartacus, directed by...

• 18:20Speaker 04

  Stanley Kubrick.

• 18:21Bill Maher?

  Thank you. Okay, and Stanley Kubrick, I love that... He made like one, like, classic Hollywood movie and then went, "Okay, now that I've shown you I can do this, now I'm gonna do..."

• 18:33Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 18:33Bill Maher?

  Always stuff that's ahead of the game. But I just wanted to show you.

• 18:37Speaker 04

  Sure, that I can do it.

• 18:37Bill Maher?

  I can work with Laurence Olivier and Kirk Douglas and I can make a big budget, and it's awesome.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  And Charlie Lawan.

• 18:43Bill Maher?

  I still love that movie.

• 18:44Speaker 04

  It's great.

• 18:45Bill Maher?

  Okay, so, but like, he's playing this part of Crassus, the noble Roman who captures Spartacus. I don't know if you really wanna even be, you know, all that super-duper realistic. Don't you just wanna be entertaining sometimes?

• 19:01Speaker 04

  I think that was the point for me with Olivier, is that he knew how to entertain people. I read his autobiography.

• 19:06Bill Maher?

  He did The Entertainer.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  He did The Entertainer, exactly. But he actually, believe it or not, suffered from terrible stage fright. And this is a guy who did... Who's never... Did more stage plays than probably any other actor of his generation. And he used to go up to the curtain on the stage while everyone was taking their seats. And he, to build up his courage, Bill, he would open the curtains and go... You're about to see a performance you've never seen before tonight. And then that gave him the strength to go out there and do that.

• 19:40Bill Maher?

  He said that to himself.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Himself.

• 19:42Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  To give him the courage and the strength.

• 19:45Bill Maher?

  Don't we all do that in our own way?

• 19:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, we all do.

• 19:48Bill Maher?

  You kind of have to psych up.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Psych yourself up.

• 19:50Bill Maher?

  Right, before you.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  But he had terrible fright.

• 19:52Bill Maher?

  Your close up is coming after lunch, Mr. Elwes's, right? And are you gonna go have a big fucking heavy lunch? No.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  No.

• 20:01Bill Maher?

  You're gonna go to your trailer.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:04Bill Maher?

  I've always hated that, like, when I thought I was gonna work in the morning.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  That's funny.

• 20:08Bill Maher?

  When we're fresh.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:12Bill Maher?

  And they waste all morning doing the master shot, which they never use.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Right, right, never.

• 20:18Bill Maher?

  And then, okay, after lunch, okay, so now I'm hungry, but I can't eat. Because you can't act.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 20:26Bill Maher?

  Or, by the way, fuck, if you're right after eating.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:29Bill Maher?

  I don't know why people try either one, but they do.

• 20:32Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 20:33Bill Maher?

  But isn't it right?

• 20:34Speaker 04

  It's true, always. No, it's always unpredictable. You're on their timetable, yeah? And so.

• 20:42Bill Maher?

  Are there directors, though, who, like, are more cognizant about? Because I would think, if I was a director, what I would, having at least done, I mean, I'm not like I'm this great acting icon. I did some acting, so I know what it was. I would make sure that my actors got their close ups at the optimum moment.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 21:06Bill Maher?

  I would re-rig it so everything was working around that. I should not direct. I should not direct.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  No.

• 21:15Bill Maher?

  I know, I'm not starting new careers in 70. I'm happy to keep the two I've got going.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 21:23Bill Maher?

  I used to have three, I used to tour, I only don't do that anymore, doing stand up. But, no, I'm not gonna direct. But that's what I would do, because I do remember that frustrating feeling, like, if we had just gotten to this earlier in the day.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 21:40Bill Maher?

  And, you know, it's a funny thing, the way I remember.

• 21:47Bill Maher?

  The concentration, you know, that you have to keep. It's a nerve wracking job because you can't quite ever relax.

• 21:54Speaker 04

  No.

• 21:55Bill Maher?

  Because when they call on you. So you can't quite ever relax, even though you have oodles of time to do nothing. You still can't quite relax into it.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  You're always mulling the scene over in your head.

• 22:04Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  And I find, I like it when directors move very quickly. This picture I just did, Dead Man's Wire with Gus Van Sant.

• 22:12Bill Maher?

  Oh yeah, I had Gus here. Dead Man's Wire, you're great in it.

• 22:15Speaker 04

  Thank you. We had 19 days, so there was no sitting around. There wasn't time to go back to your trailer and hang out.

• 22:21Bill Maher?

  19 days?

• 22:22Speaker 04

  19 days.

• 22:23Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  So, once you came out of your trailer, that was the last time you saw the trailer until wrap.

• 22:29Bill Maher?

  Good.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  And so, I like that. It's like TV. I mean, I don't recommend it for every picture, but when you have too much time on your hands and you're just sitting in the trailer doing that, you can overthink the scene and really like, okay, what if I did that?

• 22:43Bill Maher?

  Or your life.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  Or your life.

• 22:46Bill Maher?

  Really? Because there's a lot of time in the.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, too much time. And so, I like moving quickly.

• 22:51Bill Maher?

  And that's a trailer. I mean, I remember being in Honeywagons, which is, if people don't know, a trailer is like when you're the star, you get your own trailer. And like, big stars like have, like a permanent trailer that is made for them. And wherever they go, they fly in.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Double banger, triple banger.

• 23:09Bill Maher?

  Right, it's like, you know, a home away from home, as much as a trailer can be. A Honeywell is like a little cubby hole that's attached to like five others. So like, when anybody else in the next one walks up the steps, it's like boom, boom, boom.

• 23:22Speaker 04

  And slams the door.

• 23:23Bill Maher?

  You can't sleep there.

• 23:24Speaker 04

  No, nothing.

• 23:25Bill Maher?

  I mean, the toilet is like that thing.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:28Bill Maher?

  I'm not going to, but it is a toilet of sorts, but you certainly are.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  You know, it's a trailer life, Bill.

• 23:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but that's Honey, that's Honeywagon. Honeywagon's even worse. And also, when you're in the Honeywagon, you know you're not important. They have to keep you with some sort of roof over your head, but it can be the shittiest.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  It's hilarious.

• 23:47Bill Maher?

  It's true.

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• 24:49Speaker 04

  You know, I did a picture in Dublin one time. And to work with the Irish is just hilarious. And so the transport, I know, well, I'm part, I have some Gaelic in me. Anyway, so this transport guy comes over and goes, "Oh, you're in luck, Mr. Edwards." I go, "Why?" He goes, "You have John Wayne's trailer from The Quiet Man." Wow. I'm like, "The Quiet Man? Wasn't that 19, like, 50?" 35. 50 something? 1935. Was it really? Yes. They take me over, Bill. They open it and I can smell it before I go inside. And there's oil dripping from the ceiling. And I go, and it's like staining the couch. And I go, "What's that?" He goes, "Well, that was broken when Mr. Wayne was here and we've decided not to fix it."

• 25:35Speaker 04

  And I thought, "What a great character trailer this is." Or honeywag. Oil dripping from where? From the ceiling. I don't know. But what's in the ceiling that had oil? It was 1930, what is it? Five. There you go. I still don't know what would be in the ceiling that would drip oil. I think they didn't know either. And didn't want to try and find out why there was oil. So what, you stayed in it? That was my trailer. I had no choice. They're like, "You got your lucky. You got John Wayne's trailer. We selected just for you." I thought, "Wow, special." What was this? It was a Showtime. Oh, I see. Timothy Don. But it was fun. I loved Dublin. James Bond? Yeah. But great fun, Ireland. Great fun. Love the Irish.

• 26:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, I went in nine. What? I mean, they're my people.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:23Bill Maher?

  I went in ninety-nine.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  Okay. Where'd you go?

• 26:27Bill Maher?

  I was in Europe. I do remember, as the plane landed, I did get very emotional. Without intending to, and I'm not like that.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 26:37Bill Maher?

  I mean, I'm, I mean.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  No, no, sure.

• 26:41Bill Maher?

  You don't even know what I'm gonna say.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  No, no, there is something to that.

• 26:45Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no, but I'm saying, I'm, you know, they've been trying to get me to cry on TV for thirty-three years. It's not gonna happen.

• 26:53Bill Maher?

  I'm not a cry, but like, for some reason, it hit me. And then, around the country for a week was fascinating, sometimes infuriating. I mean, the signs. First of all, you can't read the language. People think, oh, the Irish and the English, same thing. Not the same thing.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Not even.

• 27:10Bill Maher?

  A completely different language.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  Completely different.

• 27:12Bill Maher?

  Different people. I mean, they weren't, they didn't look as different as the people that England conquered in Africa and India and Indo-China, but just as different a culture. I mean, it was just as much a conquest.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Completely.

• 27:28Bill Maher?

  Of a different people.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 27:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah, said, I'm gonna make you my bitch, and they did. That's your people, the English, fuck you.

• 27:37Bill Maher?

  And so you would see the signs, and it would say the name of the town, like, they'd give the direction. Now, we do that here. Like, if you're on the freeway here, it says, to San Diego. You have to know San Diego is south. It's kind of a dirty trick. We don't all know that. We do. But, you know, or, you know, San Francisco, to San Francisco. There are people from Germany, which I don't fucking know where San Francisco. I know it's in California, sort of. So, you know, there would be like this sign.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 28:12Bill Maher?

  Eighteen-letter names for towns.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 28:16Bill Maher?

  This way, I'm like, oh, that's helpful.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 28:18Bill Maher?

  And of course, this is pre-G P S.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, it must have been before that.

• 28:21Bill Maher?

  But it was also kind of cool, because then you would have to engage in people. You'd walk into the pub.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  It's great.

• 28:27Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  All of a sudden, someone's got a guitar, and, right? They're singing, and there's beer, and, yeah.

• 28:32Bill Maher?

  The drinking, I mean, there were people, like, frequently, I saw this over there, passed out, sitting on the stool.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  Oh no, it was incredible. I worked at this place called Ardmore Studios. It's very famous studios in Dublin. And they have a bar upstairs for the cast and crew. And I'm looking around the wall, Bill, and there's pictures of famous people. You can't quite make them up, but there's Peter O'Toole lying like this. There's this Richard Burton, like that.

• 29:00Bill Maher?

  Huge, huge drunk.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  I'm like, this is amazing. Albert Finney. And I'm like, this is.

• 29:05Bill Maher?

  Well, you're maiming all the.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  All of them came here and drunk at this bar and passed.

• 29:11Bill Maher?

  That was such a tradit— Michael Caine.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Michael Caine.

• 29:14Bill Maher?

  As, I'm not telling this out of school. I think he said, you know, like, they would, they would put it away by the bottle.

• 29:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:22Bill Maher?

  Like a bottle of vodka.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:24Bill Maher?

  A day.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:25Bill Maher?

  And then, I'm not gonna have wine at lunch, as if it was like a, a corrective. To, to their, oh, let's have some health food to, to even out the vodka we had all morning. Let's have some rosé, cause it's made from grapes.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

• 29:43Bill Maher?

  It's sort of true. And they, uh.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 29:45Bill Maher?

  Another one is, um, Oliver Reed.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  Reed, oh, please.

• 29:50Bill Maher?

  What?

• 29:50Speaker 04

  He was legendary.

• 29:51Bill Maher?

  For drinking.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Oh, please.

• 29:53Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  It was, he's like, he, he was determined to outdo Burton and O'Toole. This guy, he was, uh.

• 30:00Bill Maher?

  Right, because he prob— he was a great actor, if you remember.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  Great.

• 30:04Bill Maher?

  If you remember Gladiator.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  Great, but before that, Oliver.

• 30:08Bill Maher?

  He's the, he's the slave trader.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was great.

• 30:11Bill Maher?

  It's a great part.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:12Bill Maher?

  He, you know, it's a pivotal part, and he kills it.

• 30:18Bill Maher?

  But he, yes, known for that. I mean, the English would call it getting pissed.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:24Bill Maher?

  Means drunk, very, like, very drunk.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  But they were, a lot of these guys were, were, um, it's the phrase.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  They were able to drink and still deliver. You know, they were.

• 30:38Bill Maher?

  Plainly.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Right, so look at.

• 30:41Bill Maher?

  Because they were all in the bag by lunch.

• 30:43Speaker 04

  By lunch, and after lunch. So, check out Beckett, for instance, a great story about Beckett. You remember Beckett?

• 30:49Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  O'Toole and Burton, great movie.

• 30:52Bill Maher?

  Catherine.

• 30:53Speaker 04

  Catherine Hepburn.

• 30:55Bill Maher?

  Right?

• 30:56Speaker 04

  Whom O'Toole picked to play that part. And.

• 31:00Bill Maher?

  She's Eleanor of Aquitae.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  Eleanor of Aquitae, brilliant.

• 31:03Bill Maher?

  And this is Henry the Second.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  No, no, that's Lion and Winter, your thing. Beckett is before, he plays Henry in both.

• 31:09Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  O'Toole, so Lion and Winter was Catherine Hepburn.

• 31:12Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  Beckett was the precursor to that, and that was Burton and O'Toole.

• 31:16Bill Maher?

  Based on the real priest.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:18Bill Maher?

  Who would not give in to the king.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Correct, correct.

• 31:21Bill Maher?

  It's one of those stories.

• 31:22Speaker 04

  Brilliant, and they found a local pub that they really both enjoyed.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  And they found themselves in this pub at closing time. And the owner of the bar said, you know, gentlemen, it's last call. O'Toole's like, there's such a thing as last call? Don't be silly.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  You know, something like that, right? And the guy goes, no, sir, please. And there's no one out, they're the last people in the bar.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  Peter O'Toole said he was so infuriated that he and Burton bought the bar.

• 32:05Speaker 04

  To keep it open.

• 32:06Bill Maher?

  I love.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  They negotiated a price.

• 32:09Bill Maher?

  I love show business.

• 32:11Speaker 04

  Isn't that a great story?

• 32:12Bill Maher?

  That's all I'm gonna say about that. I love fucking show business.

• 32:16Speaker 04

  Is that great?

• 32:17Bill Maher?

  Where we can buy the bar.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  Buy it.

• 32:20Bill Maher?

  Fuck you.

• 32:21Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 32:21Bill Maher?

  You rule makers.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  It's ours.

• 32:23Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  And I may keep you here, just keep your job if you're lucky. If you give me another drink.

• 32:28Bill Maher?

  We left that Richard Harris.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Well, Richard was great.

• 32:31Bill Maher?

  But also.

• 32:32Speaker 04

  Richard was great.

• 32:33Bill Maher?

  It's amazing the way they, this like drinking club.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  It was incredible.

• 32:38Bill Maher?

  Richard Burton, Richard Harris. By the way, do you remember SCTV?

• 32:42Speaker 04

  Oh, dude, you know Rob Reina, who you had on your show recently?

• 32:45Bill Maher?

  Yes, director of The Princess Bride.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  God bless him. He turned me on to SCTV. I had no idea who they were.

• 32:52Bill Maher?

  Martin Short, Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara.

• 32:55Speaker 04

  This is brilliant. This is the American.

• 32:57Bill Maher?

  Early eighties.

• 32:58Speaker 04

  Monty Python. No, brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

• 33:01Bill Maher?

  They once did a sketch that was called Three Kings in a Poem. And it was just all a mashup of all these kind of movies.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 33:13Bill Maher?

  Medieval.

• 33:13Speaker 04

  Oh, I gotta see that one.

• 33:15Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:16Bill Maher?

  If you can Youtube it.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  Oh, that's great. John Candy.

• 33:19Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't remember who played who. But, you know, it was like, they all talk like, you know, one did Burton and one did Richard Harris. And they're just, it's all about medieval-y kind of.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  They were brilliant, those guys. Absolutely. Yeah, I didn't know who they were. And Rob's like, you've never seen it. So he arranged to have a crate of VHS tapes sent to England.

• 33:43Bill Maher?

  Sure.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  And on PAL, mind you, because it's a different system. So I could watch them in my trailer. And I was like, this is... Waiting for it to shoot suddenly became actually like, I'm all...

• 33:57Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and, you know. I mean, you can see, I mean, they were all brilliant.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  Brilliant.

• 34:02Bill Maher?

  But you see that, like, all these years later, Catherine O'Hara, Marty, Levy, they're still... And it just went on to be bigger stuff. I mean, I saw Martin the other, last week, and, you know, he's a, he's a straight-up A-lister now.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  They're all amazing. I was blown away. And of course, Rob's like, huh, did I tell you, right? I'm like, this is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

• 34:25Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't know how we got on to that about the British actors. But you, being a British actor, I guess you have to take some responsibility.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  Carry the weight.

• 34:36Bill Maher?

  But you never had a drug problem, a drinking problem?

• 34:38Speaker 04

  No.

• 34:39Bill Maher?

  No?

• 34:39Speaker 04

  No, I mean...

• 34:40Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Because I, honestly, Al kind of...

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Made me.

• 34:45Bill Maher?

  Oh geez, back to Al. And this was really.

• 34:48Speaker 04

  Sorry, ouch, my foot.

• 34:49Bill Maher?

  This was really an important moment.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  Well, it was for me.

• 34:52Bill Maher?

  I see.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I had Al Pacino.

• 34:54Bill Maher?

  It's amazing.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Basically.

• 34:55Bill Maher?

  The power of celebrity, it is, it is, it's a little Christy. You know, the way he could heal the lepers or whatever. Because like some of that, like I'm not, I'm an atheist, I don't believe any of that.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 35:07Bill Maher?

  But like, we do know that the power of the mind to affect actual health is real.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, no question.

• 35:15Bill Maher?

  I mean, we don't quantify it, it's not something.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  I believe in that.

• 35:18Bill Maher?

  No, it's, it's, it's true, because before, like 200 years ago, that's all we had.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 35:26Bill Maher?

  Was the placebo effect.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 35:28Bill Maher?

  Because they do studies now with placebos, and they very often work as well.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 35:31Bill Maher?

  If you think you're getting better.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:34Bill Maher?

  You'll get better.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 35:37Bill Maher?

  Oh, I forgot why I started talking about that. It was so interesting to me. What were you talking about? Hey, I'm the one who's stoned.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  You asked me if I did Al Pacino. He basically forced me to really reexamine my career and where I was mentally, physically, spiritually, everything. And when I started working with his mentor, that meant a lot to me. He was sharing his teacher with me, yeah? And I didn't take that lightly. That's a huge responsibility. And of course, I was early for every class bill. You know, I just couldn't wait.

• 36:18Bill Maher?

  I know what I was talking about. The power of celebrity. The power, it's almost Christ-like, the way people revere celebrities so much. I've done it myself.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 36:28Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, I've healed marriages. You know, like if I say, like you just command so much respect, you can be like, look, you two. You love each other. And like, they wouldn't do that for like a civilian.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 36:42Bill Maher?

  But a celebrity, and like, he did that for you.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  He did that for me.

• 36:47Bill Maher?

  It's just like, there is this, this power that comes from, I mean.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  But he earned it.

• 36:52Bill Maher?

  People give it to us, we don't deserve it.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  He earned it, Al. He, this is a guy, as you mentioned earlier, who took his, takes his career very seriously.

• 36:59Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Right? He does. He always delivers a great performance.

• 37:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah, he earned it as an artist. I don't know, that rivals, to me, people who achieve things that are of practical value. You know, I don't think it rivals like what Obama did, or George Washington.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  Right, no, no, for sure.

• 37:22Bill Maher?

  People like that, or people who invented things that changed our whole world.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  No question.

• 37:27Bill Maher?

  For the better, for the worse.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  No question, you know, we're not doing, we're not curing cancer, or, you know, anything like that. But there is something to, if you're meeting a young actor, an impressionable young actor, who's having a hard time, for me.

• 37:42Bill Maher?

  No, for you, that was magic.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Who was essentially drifting.

• 37:44Bill Maher?

  That was, you know.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  It was the curtain opening.

• 37:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, what? Well, it's healing the leper.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, well.

• 37:50Bill Maher?

  And the leper, to my earlier digression, like, I don't think you could cure a leprosy. But there are definitely things where people have gotten better because the belief is so strong, for some reason. Sometimes it is religion.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:06Bill Maher?

  You know, if you, I mean, you know about Christian scientists?

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 38:10Bill Maher?

  Okay, well, it's a great way to go to jail. Because if you're a parent with a child, and you're a Christian scientist, and you don't get the medical attention because you actually believe Jesus is gonna handle this. Jesus, take the wheel. And he doesn't.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:24Bill Maher?

  He flakes.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:26Bill Maher?

  Doesn't show up to help you out. They'll put you in jail. Because, yes, you killed your kid.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:32Bill Maher?

  For your belief.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not a big fan of, you know.

• 38:39Bill Maher?

  Religion?

• 38:40Speaker 04

  Well, I'm more of a spiritual person. Organized religion, to me, has, I don't wanna get into it here. I promised I wouldn't discuss politics or religion on your show. But for me, I just, I have my own spirituality. And I don't need a church to pray, and I can pray anywhere. And so, I'm not an atheist like you. And I don't judge anyone. It's what works for the individual.

• 39:05Bill Maher?

  Absolutely.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:06Bill Maher?

  And by the way, people think atheists care a lot about, care a lot more about the subject than we do.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:13Bill Maher?

  Really, we just don't give a shit.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  It's hilarious.

• 39:18Bill Maher?

  No, it's true.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 39:20Bill Maher?

  I was singing some songs at my birthday party the other night and like one of them was had some, you know, religiosity. And I said to the people like, just because I'm singing these words, I don't give a shit.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:33Bill Maher?

  You know, I, My Sweet Lord by George Harrison, I love the song.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  Great, great special songs.

• 39:38Bill Maher?

  I don't, I don't even believe that.

• 39:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:41Bill Maher?

  You know, I'm not, it's like, My Sweet Lord, can't wait to see you, that's not me.

• 39:45Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 39:46Bill Maher?

  But the song is good.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:47Bill Maher?

  Mostly, we don't care, you know, we just, we, we're not dogmatic.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  No, I know.

• 39:53Bill Maher?

  About like, there definitely is no God. There could be anything. Plainly, there's something other than just, well, whatever, because we're here.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  Right.

• 40:02Bill Maher?

  And is it all a dream? Is it, you know, is it the Matrix and we're not really living it? Or is there an alternative universe like this on another planet? Are there other planets? How did it all begin? What was before the Big Bang? I mean, I could give you a million questions that, that, you know, nobody can even come close to answering. Atheists are just people who go, yeah, so we don't give a shit. Like, and the rest of you are like, no, I think I know.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:30Bill Maher?

  I think I know. I think I know what it is.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 40:32Bill Maher?

  And I think I know who it is. And I think what happens is reincarnation. I think what happens is you.

• 40:38Speaker 04

  I don't know, nobody knows.

• 40:39Bill Maher?

  Nobody knows.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  Nobody knows. And if you do have the answer to that, you need to share it with all of us. No, I, I, I, I just believe in, in, I believe there is a God. I don't know if it's a male or female, I don't know, I have never met him or.

• 40:54Bill Maher?

  I.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  So I'm just saying, I, I.

• 40:56Bill Maher?

  If there is even such a concept as a God, it must be so beyond male and female, right?

• 41:01Speaker 04

  No, a hundred percent. I, I agree, and no one has the answers. I know, I don't pretend I do, I, I'm not omnipotent, none of us are. I just like the idea of, here's an example.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  When I stumble and fall, I find myself on my knees.

• 41:18Bill Maher?

  Physically?

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, mentally, spirit, yeah. When I stumble and fall, sometimes I find myself on my knees. And then I'm in a good position to pray. That's just me.

• 41:28Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  Right? And it's helped me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or should be for you or someone else. I'm saying for me,

• 41:38Bill Maher?

  I totally respect that.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  In moments of crisis, I've found that, that having that connection is helpful for me.

• 41:47Bill Maher?

  I have no issue with this.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, no, I know. I know, you were saying, you don't so care.

• 41:52Bill Maher?

  You know what my issue with this, and it's positive, is? I'm thrilled that anybody on this earth has something that makes them not be a total fucking nut. Dangerous, dangerous, violent.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 42:08Bill Maher?

  Conspiracy theory, like, anything that keeps you calm.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure, anything.

• 42:13Bill Maher?

  I'm so down with it, I'll even GoFundit.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 42:18Bill Maher?

  But...

• 42:18Speaker 04

  It's a form of meditation.

• 42:20Bill Maher?

  Great.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Right?

• 42:21Bill Maher?

  I can't do that either. I try.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  They're almost one and the same thing, if you think about it, right?

• 42:29Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, I mean, look, don't get mad at me, but I'm gonna quote my friend Sam Harris, because it always makes me laugh.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Go.

• 42:36Bill Maher?

  He says,

• 42:39Bill Maher?

  if you got your hairdryer out, and you said you were speaking into it, and when you were speaking into it, you were communicating with this being in outer space, they would take you to the mental institution. But take away the hairdryer, and you're praying.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  That's funny. That's funny.

• 43:00Bill Maher?

  And it's good that you couldn't admit that it's funny.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  No, no, it has to be.

• 43:02Bill Maher?

  And also, who knows who's right? Nobody. And maybe they do hear you.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:08Bill Maher?

  But I would use the hairdryer.

• 43:12Bill Maher?

  Plus, you sound funnier when you're talking. Yeah. But, no, no one knows the answer. And I also will admit this. Sometimes there are things that are coincidenti. Yes. That make even a skeptic like me go, "Well, that was weird." Right? For sure. For sure. We don't have the answers. We don't know. That's the great unknown. We don't know. And there does seem to be some level of a channel where people are picking up a radio station that most of us don't pick up with our five senses. That does seem to be a little extra. I mean, I keep talking to magicians.

• 43:57Bill Maher?

  I keep running into magicians for some reason these days. I don't know. I don't know what that means. You spending time at the Magic Castle? I'm not. That's what I'm saying. It's just happening to me. Right. I can only imagine what the psychiatrist would say. If I had one, which I don't, I'd rather go to a magician. That's hilarious.

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• 45:47Bill Maher?

  But I just, and I want to know, because I certainly have seen things that medicians do nowadays that seem to be crossing the line from magic into sort of telepathy. Metaphysical, yeah. And it's like, it just seems impossible that they could do this, and yet, the reason why I'm skeptical is because they do other things that are just pure magic, and I can't imagine how they could do that to me. I mean, I'm literally holding the thing in my hand, and I open it up, and now it's a bunch of, you know, pigeon shit or something. Whatever they're doing, it's like, oh my God. Like, how could you possibly have done that? Right.

• 46:30Bill Maher?

  So, I wonder, but, you know, again, just don't know. We don't know. And I think the atheist view is like you only give yourself gray hairs trying to figure it out. So just be a decent person for the sake of it. Not because there's, you know, I mean, Catholicism, which is, I was raised in, is very, oh, you too? Yeah. Very big on scaring you. Yeah. About if you don't, this will happen to you. Purgatory, not a great thing. Purgatory would be, that'd be a relief from, at least you're not in hell. A daven, eternal daven. Purgatory's like... No, I know, but you're on your way to eternal daven.

• 47:15Bill Maher?

  I know, but still, yeah, no. What is purgatory like? Like, I know what hell is like. I don't know. A devil hot poking you with a.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  Haven't been there.

• 47:23Bill Maher?

  I know, but like, we have a, no, but I'm just saying like, people have a, a mental picture of hell. Like, you're in, it's fucking hot. It's the flames.

• 47:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 47:32Bill Maher?

  The devil is poking you with his pitchfork. It's just pain.

• 47:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 47:37Bill Maher?

  Like, internally. And heaven, we know that. Cloud, god, whatever, whenever somebody dies, they do a cartoon of them and they're like, doing the thing in heaven that they did on earth. Like Bob Hope is up in heaven with a golf club.

• 47:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 47:53Bill Maher?

  Okay, so that, so I know what heaven is, and I know what hell is. What's purgatory?

• 47:59Speaker 04

  I think purgatory, the idea is that you're on your way.

• 48:01Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know the idea.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Right. Dude, I, honestly, I didn't pay much attention to Sunday School. That was the thing for me. There was so much mythology attached to it, that I was like, you, you had me lost on, on the third Sunday School class, you know what I mean?

• 48:20Bill Maher?

  I don't know if you want to get involved with me on a business level, but I'm telling you, if you think, I think purgatory is wide open. Series, epic movie, I'm thinking Ridley Scott.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 48:32Bill Maher?

  I see you.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  I've worked on some shows that seemed like purgatory. Yeah, they really did.

• 48:39Bill Maher?

  No, I think we need a guy just like you, you're the right age, to run purgatory.

• 48:44Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:45Bill Maher?

  You're neither a good guy nor a bad guy, because you're in purgatory.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  That's excellent.

• 48:53Bill Maher?

  And it's about the dichotomy.

• 48:56Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 48:56Bill Maher?

  I'm thinking Al Pacino.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Too funny.

• 49:01Bill Maher?

  As the OG purgatory dude.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  Right. Oliver Reed is in there somewhere.

• 49:08Bill Maher?

  Well, we wish.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  I know.

• 49:10Bill Maher?

  Al could still do it. Not so much Oliver Reed.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  No.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  This is the strangest conversation I've had with anybody in a long time. It's riveting.

• 49:21Bill Maher?

  I keep telling people, Club Random is not like the other podcasts. And they just won't listen to me. I mean, I don't know what I have to do. I'm doing it.

• 49:32Speaker 04

  No, it's great. It's great.

• 49:33Bill Maher?

  Getting high and talking to somebody I like.

• 49:36Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you, Bill.

• 49:37Bill Maher?

  And I just don't ever wanna like have an agenda. It's like, it would be as ridiculous for me to do this show with an agenda, which again, the other shows do, and that's fine. That's what we watched on TV for 70 years, talk shows. You have a card, you have questions. But it's like if I went out to dinner with you, which I would love to sometimes, like if I showed up with a card.

• 50:02Bill Maher?

  Before we order, Carrie, I understand that your new project is...

• 50:08Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 50:09Bill Maher?

  But actually, you know what?

• 50:10Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 50:11Bill Maher?

  What is your new project? Maybe we should be plugging something.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:14Bill Maher?

  Stranger Things?

• 50:15Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:15Bill Maher?

  Are you plugging that?

• 50:16Speaker 04

  Been there, done that. But I did work with somebody I worked with.

• 50:19Bill Maher?

  Dead Man's Wire, we wanna plug that.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Dead Man's Wire.

• 50:21Bill Maher?

  See, I'm a professional too, not just a pothead. Although, I'm gonna have a pot.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  Okay. Yeah, it's, it's, actually, Bill Skarsgård is the lead. He plays this guy called Tony Kritsis.

• 50:34Bill Maher?

  He's great. So he's the son of...

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Stellan.

• 50:38Bill Maher?

  The best.

• 50:38Speaker 04

  The best.

• 50:39Bill Maher?

  I was at the Golden Globe Sunday.

• 50:41Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:41Bill Maher?

  And when he won, I was like, fuck, I have a chance.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  No, he's great.

• 50:46Bill Maher?

  These, this woke town, I can't believe they nominated me. I can't believe that.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  It's hilarious.

• 50:53Bill Maher?

  But if they gave one to Kellen Skarsgård?

• 50:57Speaker 04

  Stellan, yeah.

• 50:58Bill Maher?

  Stellan, even he won it?

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:01Bill Maher?

  And then a kid, the kid from the, from the British show, the genius show that, on Netflix, Adolescents?

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, great. The kid's amazing. He's amazing.

• 51:10Bill Maher?

  Skelland, and they gave it to a kid?

• 51:12Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 51:12Bill Maher?

  Anybody could win one thing. And then I didn't.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Anyway, so it's Dead, it's called Dead Man's Wire, it's directed by Gus Frandsen, who you had on the show.

• 51:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 04

  And it's based on a true story about a kidnapping that took place in Indianapolis in 1977. And Bill plays this guy.

• 51:27Bill Maher?

  Real story.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  Real story, which I didn't even know about.

• 51:28Bill Maher?

  I didn't either.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  Bill plays this guy called Tony Kritsis, who believes that his mortgage broker screwed him over. So he decides to take matters into his own hands. And kidnaps his broker and holds him hostage in a police standoff for sixty-three hours and ends up airing all his grievances on on live TV.

• 51:51Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's a very apropos movie, even though it's about the seventies for an era that we live in now. Where income inequality is such a big issue and people are fed up with, you know, I mean, what is the big issue now? They call it now affordability. That's the new word. Which, I mean, it was always a word and it was always valid, but right now, it's like the thing, affordability and it's just people having the idea that everybody is ripping us off and somehow like half the country can, you know, afford Taylor Swift tickets and, you know, half the country is working three jobs.

• 52:29Bill Maher?

  So in that atmosphere, you know, this thing that happened in seventies, very timely.

• 52:37Speaker 04

  Very timely.

• 52:38Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 52:38Speaker 04

  Very timely.

• 52:39Bill Maher?

  I thought it really resonated.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  Oh, you saw it?

• 52:41Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  Oh, cool.

• 52:43Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's very much like a seventies film. Gus wanted to shoot it like Dog Day Afternoon and French Connection. He wanted to give it that gritty feel to it. So it's really a film. It's not a movie. It's more like cinema and it was, we're very proud of it. Al Pacino is in it. He plays the guy who is the owner of the mortgage broker.

• 53:04Bill Maher?

  That must have been a nice full circle.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  It was. It was a nice Easter egg for me, definitely.

• 53:09Bill Maher?

  No, but like, you didn't have any scenes together?

• 53:14Speaker 04

  No, but I came and I went, showed up when he worked.

• 53:17Bill Maher?

  And you reminded him of what happened so many?

• 53:20Speaker 04

  I don't have to. I mean, you know, Al's a very important part of my life.

• 53:23Bill Maher?

  Right. So you kept up from that point on?

• 53:27Speaker 04

  Of course. Changed my life. Changed my life.

• 53:30Bill Maher?

  No, I thought it may have just been that.

• 53:32Speaker 04

  No, changed it. Changed it.

• 53:34Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I know that, but then maybe you just.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  No, I'm not that kind of fly-by-night kind of guy like, gee, thanks, Al. See you when I see you, you know. You know, when someone like that. Kind of, as you say, cures your leprosy.

• 53:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but if Bob Dylan did it for you, I mean, like.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Well, good luck trying to reach Bob Dylan.

• 53:56Bill Maher?

  That's what I'm saying. It could have been one of those situations.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  Could have been.

• 54:00Bill Maher?

  Like, I don't see Bob, like, sending Christmas cards.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  No, but I just, like I said, as you said earlier, he's a very generous person by nature.

• 54:10Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  He doesn't.

• 54:13Bill Maher?

  Well, he must be very proud of you. Like, he created this thing and you went on to, like, all this success and that's a nice show business.

• 54:21Speaker 04

  I mean, he was, he is one of my heroes.

• 54:24Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 54:24Speaker 04

  Like I said, I grew up watching his work. I remember seeing Dog Day Afternoon when I was a kid and I became obsessed with Sidney Lumet. But also with him, you mean, he did that, he did Serpico, then does Godfather and then, you know, Scarface later. I mean, after each one, it's like, no net, you know, it's incredible.

• 54:46Bill Maher?

  No, that's a part Laurence Olivier could have done. Because it call, it's operatic, it calls for over the top. That's what makes it great.

• 54:56Speaker 04

  You can take me here, there, it doesn't matter.

• 55:02Bill Maher?

  Say hello to the.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  There's nothing you couldn't do to me that Castro has not already done.

• 55:06Bill Maher?

  Say hello to the bad guy. Remember that's.

• 55:10Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 55:11Bill Maher?

  That'd be a funny sketch.

• 55:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, it would be very funny, Laurence.

• 55:14Bill Maher?

  But, but it is, you have, it's, it's over the top and it's supposed to be over the top. It's Brian De Palma.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 55:22Bill Maher?

  And it's a.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  Al stays in character. He's very much a guy who stays, that's what part of his training. And so he's, he is that guy on and off camera.

• 55:34Bill Maher?

  But the resonance that movie has, have had with succeeding generations.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 55:40Bill Maher?

  I mean, I, I saw a stripper with a tattoo of Scarface on her leg.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  He sure was a leg.

• 55:51Bill Maher?

  I'm not sure it was a stripper. No, yes, I mean, kids of all ages, they look up to Scarface.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  No, it became.

• 55:59Bill Maher?

  I don't know, that's a good thing.

• 56:00Speaker 04

  No, you go down to South Beach today.

• 56:04Bill Maher?

  Anywhere.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  Which is where all of that shooting scenes took place, right? It's it's like you can't recognize it today. You know, I watch people getting searched for weapons going into restaurants. I'm like, OK, this is definitely Miami Beach has definitely changed over the years.

• 56:21Bill Maher?

  You go there a lot?

• 56:22Speaker 04

  No, I was shooting a series there.

• 56:23Bill Maher?

  Oh, I see. I like Miami.

• 56:26Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 56:27Bill Maher?

  I couldn't live there.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  No.

• 56:28Bill Maher?

  It's like Vegas with a beach, right?

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 56:32Bill Maher?

  It's too much now.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  It's too much.

• 56:34Bill Maher?

  Well, too much for us.

• 56:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:35Bill Maher?

  You know, if you're 20, I guess.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 56:38Bill Maher?

  But it's it's I love it that there's a.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  A great vibe to it, great energy, different. I love all the food. I love all the culture. I love all of that.

• 56:47Bill Maher?

  It's good that there's a city.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  The late night stuff is it's a lot.

• 56:50Bill Maher?

  There's a city in America that's not an American city.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  Right, right. I mean, I wouldn't I don't know if.

• 56:57Bill Maher?

  I mean, they will look at you cross if you if you if you speak English instead of Spanish.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 57:03Bill Maher?

  It's like, hello.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  I think that's what makes it interesting is that you have, you know, people from Colombia, from Puerto Rico. I went to see, right?

• 57:14Bill Maher?

  From every Spanish speaking place in the world.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  No, really.

• 57:17Bill Maher?

  No, it's true.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  And they're all have different.

• 57:20Bill Maher?

  Well, it just gives the city a different feel, which is a good feel if you like like la dolce vita.

• 57:29Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 57:29Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, there's just a certain, I don't know, joie de vivre in, you know, carnival and, you know, there's things that go on.

• 57:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 57:39Bill Maher?

  In the southern hemisphere that don't go on with us cold whities.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 57:44Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 57:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:45Bill Maher?

  And it's nice to have a place like that that has that vibe.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  It really is. It really is.

• 57:50Bill Maher?

  But it is, you know, it is for 24 hour party people.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  It certainly is that, and I'm not that person.

• 57:56Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  So I need to get a room high in the hotel so I don't hear the nightclub thumping all night on the second floor. That's, you know what I mean?

• 58:06Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Because I got a 4 a.m. call time and.

• 58:09Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 58:09Speaker 04

  You know, that's just about when it starts up.

• 58:12Bill Maher?

  And kids, do you have kids that are with you?

• 58:14Speaker 04

  I do.

• 58:15Bill Maher?

  That are young enough to be with you on the road?

• 58:17Speaker 04

  Yes, I always I try to always bring my family with me, Bill.

• 58:19Bill Maher?

  You do?

• 58:20Speaker 04

  Try to, yeah. It makes me feel more relaxed, actually, to have them around.

• 58:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, it's family. I mean, if you have one, you might as well.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  I'm all about my family.

• 58:30Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 58:31Speaker 04

  All about my family.

• 58:32Bill Maher?

  And were you always that way, like before you had a family, wanting that?

• 58:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:36Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 58:37Speaker 04

  Because, you know.

• 58:38Bill Maher?

  How old were you when you got married?

• 58:40Speaker 04

  Oh, God. We've been together over thirty years. But here's the deal. I knew that the life of an actor is of sort of a vagabond. You live out of a suitcase. You go, you pack up and you have to be ready to split at a moment's notice. And oftentimes, you're away from home for long periods of time, yeah? And I knew that if I had a family, I always wanted one. That I didn't want to be that dad who wasn't there and missed the the play or the recital or the hockey game.

• 59:12Bill Maher?

  You can't see the recital on the road.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  No, I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. If I would, if I, if they weren't in school, right? And I happen to be working. Otherwise, I would fly home and be with them every weekend if I could.

• 59:24Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 59:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:24Bill Maher?

  From anywhere?

• 59:25Speaker 04

  Anywhere. Well, not in Thailand.

• 59:27Bill Maher?

  Right. Right, right.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  Within reason, yeah.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  But, yeah, I would either make, make sure I could be home to be with them on a weekend. Because then I would, you know, hopefully, I can catch a late night flight on a Sunday and be ready for work on Monday. But if, if the kid's out of school, then all bets are off and they come with me and that's it. Yeah.

• 59:48Bill Maher?

  I guess I just don't understand children never having had them.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  Right. It's the greatest thing.

• 59:53Bill Maher?

  But I certainly have known enough human beings.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:58Bill Maher?

  To know that I'm in the minority.

• 59:59Speaker 04

  It's okay.

• 1:00:00Bill Maher?

  And that they're totally okay.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, I'm not apologizing for it.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying, it is so interesting, humans, to me, that, that we can be so different. Like, to me, nothing. I've said this before, like, people say, if you have a kid, you'll love it.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:15Bill Maher?

  I would be the first person to look in the basket and go, still nothing.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 1:00:22Bill Maher?

  I just.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 1:00:23Bill Maher?

  I don't think it just, I didn't like them when I was a kid.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:00:26Bill Maher?

  But I certainly recognize that the majority of humanity

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Bill Maher?

  has this level of love.

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Bill Maher?

  And devotion.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:34Bill Maher?

  And I'll do anything.

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Bill Maher?

  That I just, you know, it's just not in my DNA.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  No, sure.

• 1:00:39Bill Maher?

  And who knows? Maybe, you know, I'll get to purgatory and I'll, and, and they'll take me aside and hit me to a lot of stuff. And I'll find out, wow, your big sin was you'd, you'd never had the love that you feel when you, when you have a child. And, and so you, you have to be here in purgatory. When you get that, then maybe we'll send you off to heaven. I'm making this up. But.

• 1:01:02Bill Maher?

  But it is a love that I just don't understand. And I, I, I know how real it is because I see how it manifests. How does it manifest? I'm going home every weekend.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:12Bill Maher?

  That's reality to me. Like, you can bullshit me, not you particularly, but anybody can bullshit. Anybody could say anything. Actions speak. People do things like that. They just do things.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Bill Maher?

  Do. That I respect. That I think is real.

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:01:28Bill Maher?

  When you do something.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:01:30Bill Maher?

  And, and they just, but the idea that I would have to juggle my life and these squalling, mewling brats who want every minute of my attention and are giving me nothing back.

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 1:01:44Bill Maher?

  Except their cuteness or whatever. So this future belief.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  It's hilarious.

• 1:01:48Bill Maher?

  Which always makes me think of Nikki Glaser's great line. We love kids, but why? It's just gonna grow up to be some guy named Doug.

• 1:01:59Bill Maher?

  Isn't that the greatest joke?

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  That's excellent. Who said that?

• 1:02:02Bill Maher?

  Nikki Glaser.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 1:02:04Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  That's very funny.

• 1:02:05Bill Maher?

  It is.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  No, she's the best production I'll ever do.

• 1:02:08Bill Maher?

  How old?

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  Uh, she's 18.

• 1:02:10Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:02:11Speaker 04

  You know, she blew the budget for wardrobe and hair within the first 10 years. But, but the dailies look great, Bill.

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  Dailies look great.

• 1:02:22Bill Maher?

  Does she have to always deal with people asking about her famous father? Is that like?

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  You know, she's actually very cool about it. Because she's, she got bit by the bug and she wants to act. And she said, I don't wanna be a regular nepo baby. I don't wanna go, where did you study?

• 1:02:37Bill Maher?

  Well, too late.

• 1:02:38Speaker 04

  I said, I studied at the Lee Strasberg Institute. She said, do they have a school here in LA? I go, I think they do. She went and auditioned. She got in at 11 and started learning the method. Then she, she got bored of that after a couple of years and. She said, I want to learn improv. I said, you know, I'm just getting warmed up to improv myself. And she goes, I'm not going to wait that long, Dan. And she went off and joined the Groundlings.

• 1:03:03Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:03:05Bill Maher?

  As good as you can do with improv.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  She's great. She's a good kid. She's very smart. Got a good head on her shoulders.

• 1:03:10Bill Maher?

  I feel like improv is a great training. As far as me wanting to watch it actually itself.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:18Bill Maher?

  Never. It always looked like a magic trick to me, like, OK, where's the there there? I get it. It's fast.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:27Bill Maher?

  But doesn't mean it's great sometimes. But the people who are trained in it go on to be, I mean, all the cast of SNL, who then go on to be all our comic movie stars, for a good reason. They're, they're, they do it the best.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Phil Hartman.

• 1:03:42Bill Maher?

  Will Ferrell, Kristen Wiig, I mean, Tina Fey can go on for.

• 1:03:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:47Bill Maher?

  I mean, the, the Factory that, that place has been for terrific comic actors.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 1:03:52Bill Maher?

  They're, you know, I mean, people think the movie business is a bunch of bullshit. Yeah, it is. They also like are basically putting out the best product we have. Why? Because that's what will make the money, you know?

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 1:04:08Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 1:04:09Speaker 04

  And hopefully, if you do something.

• 1:04:10Bill Maher?

  I'm a fan of movies. I'm not a fan of like.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:04:14Bill Maher?

  The shitty write-ups they get from critics, like, fuck you. You know, like, just, you know, why are you doing this as a job?

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  I stopped reading. I know. I stopped reading reviews a long time ago. I can, what, if I happen to be at the premiere, which I often am asked to do, I'm my own worst critic. I'll watch that. I'll see all my mistakes and go, oh, God, really?

• 1:04:37Bill Maher?

  Because they did it after lunch.

• 1:04:41Bill Maher?

  They had gotten to you at nine AM.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 1:04:45Bill Maher?

  You'd be like, this is the great.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  That is hilarious. Yeah. Should have been before lunch.

• 1:04:48Bill Maher?

  It was the meatballs and spaghetti.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  No, but it's all of it. I can only see my mistakes. So I swear I can't watch myself after one time. That's it. I see it and it's done. So I don't need to read some guy who, you know, first of all, he feels like his review is, is valid by giving away the entire plot for a page. Like, that's a review, right? Anyway.

• 1:05:10Bill Maher?

  OK, the trailer's going to do that.

• 1:05:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:05:12Bill Maher?

  Before he gets to it.

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  Right. But I mean, they think that that, oh, it can take up some space by telling the entire story of the movie.

• 1:05:20Bill Maher?

  You know, that doesn't bother me. Like, when people say spoiler alert, I always say, "Go ahead."

• 1:05:24Speaker 04

  No, but some of them don't. Anyway, my point being is that kids don't really read reviews, anyway. They get word of mouth.

• 1:05:30Bill Maher?

  People don't.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  No, no, but, yeah, on the whole.

• 1:05:33Bill Maher?

  What, are we on the subway, reading USA Today in 1995? No, who's reading reviews of movies? I mean, Rotten Tomatoes, that's what people go by. And we don't go by a review of it, it's just a number.

• 1:05:44Speaker 04

  Well, the great reviewers of all, right, Susan Sontag or Kenneth Tynan, right?

• 1:05:50Bill Maher?

  Didn't review movies.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  No, but, well, Kenneth did theater, but Sontag was one of the great reviewers of all time.

• 1:05:57Bill Maher?

  Of movies?

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Bill Maher?

  I don't remember that.

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, but she was an intellectual, and she understood.

• 1:06:04Bill Maher?

  Pauline Kael.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Pauline Kyle.

• 1:06:07Bill Maher?

  Excuse me, sorry.

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  Kael, you could be right. Kael, I thought was a vegetable, anyway. But she was amazing, amazing.

• 1:06:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah, she was, right, but she reviewed movies. I don't remember that about Susan Sontag.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  Maybe I could be wrong about Susan. She just wrote Film Theory, but, anyway, you're right. Pauline understood film, right?

• 1:06:28Bill Maher?

  There were some who did.

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  Who really got it.

• 1:06:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah. And, you know, I think a lot of it now just becomes the reviewer.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:06:40Bill Maher?

  Showing off, flexing, look at, look at. Okay, it's one thing to say, "This is not my cup of tea, this movie." But to use three columns to basically show how clever you are with language to shit on this movie a hundred times. I mean, it's like, I get it, it's more about you, but I thought critics were really there to service the reader.

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:01Bill Maher?

  Service the reader. "I'm just looking for you, because I didn't see the movie." And I feel like they used to do that. I would read a review of, like, you know, Stallone's latest, and I'd be like, "You know what? Not my cup of tea, but if you like a kick-ass movie, it's actually good for this and this and this." And that's, you know, because I do, sometimes, just want to watch a kick-ass movie.

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  It's damn straight. No, it's true. No, you're right. It's tough. I think it's tough for critics now. I think you're right. Not a lot of people really.

• 1:07:31Bill Maher?

  What about a John Wick-like franchise for you? What do you think? You like kicking ass?

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  I'm open the game to anything. I'm, you know.

• 1:07:38Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  Well, we're good reason. We're going.

• 1:07:40Bill Maher?

  An erudite British guy kicking ass might be a good new way to go with that.

• 1:07:46Speaker 04

  Might be.

• 1:07:46Bill Maher?

  Because usually, you know, it's some, not that he's a Neanderthal, but a big hulking guy like Liam Neeson.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:07:55Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean.

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  Keanu is great, by the way.

• 1:07:57Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  He's a terrific actor and lovely human being, just terrific. And he's great in that franchise. Just amazing.

• 1:08:05Bill Maher?

  I like him. I can't watch any movies that are 90% just guys killing.

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  Killing, kicking ass. I know.

• 1:08:12Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 1:08:12Speaker 04

  If it has a good plot to it, I would definitely, or a good character development, then that would interest me.

• 1:08:18Bill Maher?

  It's, it stretches the bounds of credulity so far.

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:08:24Bill Maher?

  I mean, I remember when it was a big thing, when the hero could like defeat like three guys coming at him.

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:08:32Bill Maher?

  But 300.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it gets to be.

• 1:08:35Bill Maher?

  I, I can't. I just can't.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Bill Maher?

  I understand suspension of belief.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 1:08:42Bill Maher?

  I don't think about the ghosts and Hamlet.

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  No one could kick Rambo's ass, right? He killed anybody who got in his way.

• 1:08:50Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:08:50Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:08:51Bill Maher?

  But as I say. You know, the ghosts in Hamlet.

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:08:54Bill Maher?

  Do I really believe in ghosts? No.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:08:58Bill Maher?

  I'm okay with it.

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:00Bill Maher?

  But not 300 ghosts.

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  That's hilarious. Hilarious.

• 1:09:03Bill Maher?

  Hamlet, I'm going to kill 300 of them.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  It's hilarious.

• 1:09:06Bill Maher?

  I mean, come on, man.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Bill Maher?

  Just.

• 1:09:09Speaker 04

  No, it's a lot. It's a lot. I think that audiences are, I think.

• 1:09:13Bill Maher?

  But good for him.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  He, listen, like I said, Keanu has made that, turned that franchise into something phenomenal. And he's a wonderful actor, wonderful.

• 1:09:21Bill Maher?

  Well, well, I'm happy for him because it gives him now the freedom to do meaningful work.

• 1:09:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think that's the point, too. I mean, you.

• 1:09:31Bill Maher?

  I mean, I never met him. He seems like a sweet guy.

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  Terrific guy.

• 1:09:34Bill Maher?

  If he ever said to me, you know. John Wick, I feel, is very profound. I'd be like, oh, well, I'm sorry, I can't like you as much. But I don't think he would say that.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:09:44Bill Maher?

  I think he would say, it's entertainment, people want to be entertained, this is what their taste is. Now, can you go after him for glorifying violence? Yes, yes, I remember doing an editorial on my show after the Uvalde thing and saying, well, you know, guns, is that part of the equation? Of course, but let's not pretend that Hollywood glorifying guns, and we showed montages of people looking, slow motion, so cool, firing guns endlessly. Let's not pretend that going into the minds of kids at a rate of, I mean, they have stats on this, like 10,000 images a year or something. Let's not forget that that's also a big part of the.

• 1:10:28Speaker 04

  Video games, you know.

• 1:10:29Bill Maher?

  Okay, yes.

• 1:10:30Speaker 04

  They have a lot.

• 1:10:31Bill Maher?

  It's a big part of the equation.

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  It is, it is, well, violence is somehow part of the culture.

• 1:10:38Bill Maher?

  But again, like I was saying before, realism in the 30s and 40s, when you got shot, no blood.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:10:45Bill Maher?

  No gore.

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:10:47Bill Maher?

  You know, it was just indicating, this is what happens to you when you commit adultery. Or whatever it was that they were, remember the production code?

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  Sure, sure, the Hays Code.

• 1:11:01Bill Maher?

  The Hays Code, right. Hays was the guy?

• 1:11:04Speaker 04

  He was the guy, he was the censor. But yeah, no, I think our industry has made a lot of money out of people grabbing a weapon and getting rid of the bad guys. It's the super mensch versus the.

• 1:11:20Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  Right? And so, people, for better or, I can't judge people, but people like to see that. I personally can't watch too much violence unless, unless, by the way, let me preface that by saying, unless it services the story and the character.

• 1:11:36Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Speaker 04

  If it's not gratuitous.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  I'm OK with it.

• 1:11:41Bill Maher?

  I wouldn't take a frame out of Goodfellas.

• 1:11:43Speaker 04

  Right, not one.

• 1:11:44Bill Maher?

  Or Clockwork Orange.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  No, not one.

• 1:11:47Bill Maher?

  You know, violence is a big part of life.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  And, and by the way.

• 1:11:50Bill Maher?

  Or 1917.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  Kubrick, when that movie came out, kids were going around dressing up as the characters from Clockwork and going around and beating people up. And he pulled the film.

• 1:12:01Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  He pulled it.

• 1:12:02Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  He pulled it, saying, "I don't want my film to be responsible for anyone being harmed." And I thought that showed enormous character on his part. No, by pulling?

• 1:12:15Bill Maher?

  You, I don't. You cannot give in to that.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  No, but it was the front page of the, of the papers, Bill, where people were being...

• 1:12:24Bill Maher?

  I, I don't care if it's, if it's a 10-point headline in the front page of the papers. It's the principle of the thing. Yes, idiots and borderline people will use art and depictions as a reason to commit heinous crimes. We can't cancel art for that reason.

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  No, I, I get it. I think it was more than one...

• 1:12:50Bill Maher?

  Clockwork Orange should not have canceled one showing.

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:12:52Bill Maher?

  That is not the answer to that, in my view.

• 1:12:54Speaker 04

  No, I, I hear you. I think that, that, I think it was more than one incident. So I think there was a feeling of, of, of like, maybe this is catching on. I could be wrong. Look, I, I get what you're saying.

• 1:13:07Bill Maher?

  If you're talking about a direct incitement, yes. And that is prescribed by the First Amendment. I mean, we don't have absolute free speech. You can't do that. You can't, you know, famously fire in a crowded theater. And you can't incite people to riot that directly. I mean, England had a Muslim preacher who was basically calling for the overthrow of the government.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:13:29Bill Maher?

  And they put up with it for a while on one, I don't know, maybe that was the guy that Obama killed with a drone. I forget his name.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  How do we get to this?

• 1:13:38Bill Maher?

  Chadri.

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  Chadri.

• 1:13:39Bill Maher?

  Yes. He was, and they eventually said, "No, you're going to jail."

• 1:13:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:13:45Bill Maher?

  I mean, you are just, you are directly inciting people. Clockwork Orange isn't directly inciting people.

• 1:13:52Speaker 04

  Look, you're talking about one of my favorite movies, OK?

• 1:13:54Bill Maher?

  No, I'm, I'm just...

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  I consider Kubrick like one of the great filmmakers.

• 1:13:58Bill Maher?

  We're not arguing.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're not. He felt, he felt.

• 1:14:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  That somehow it was sparking some...

• 1:14:05Bill Maher?

  Well, I'd like to dig him up and yell at him.

• 1:14:09Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no, I mean, he then re-released it. What did you think of Eyes Wide Shut, his last? I think it was brilliant. To me, it was like a fever dream. You know? Okay. Go on. See, lots of people don't like it. Yeah. I do. Right. Even though some of it is nutty. Yeah. Some of it is like, are you kidding me? No, yeah. No, for real. For real. But it never bores me. Never boring. You can never accuse Stanley Kubrick of being boring. The first half hour is like a whole different movie. Yeah. Then the fever dream starts. Right. But the first half hour is probably the best depiction of a relationship, certainly a serious relationship, marriage relationship, since Virginia Woolf.

• 1:14:54Bill Maher?

  No question about it. It's Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise when they were really married. Yeah. And it's a half hour of them, they're at a party, they're married, but she's dancing with this guy, this older guy who's trying to fuck her, and he's getting attention from young girls, and they go home, and she wants to pick a fight about it, and he wants to get laid. He's horny, and she's just in the fi- and it's just. It's great. The things that she taunts him with, and it's great. And then the fever dream starts, and then it is weird. It's weird. And it ends with something that is, either Stanley was, I mean, he was near his demise. Yeah.

• 1:15:33Bill Maher?

  Either he was going nuts, or we were, but, you know, the whole orgy thing. Yeah. And then the way they kind of wrap it up by bringing in Sidney Pollack. Right. Right.

• 1:15:51Bill Maher?

  Because, you know, he kept them captive there, Nicole and Tom, for like two years. Two years, yeah. It was supposed to be like an eight-month shoot, and then, like, and what are you gonna do? It's Stanley Kubrick. Yeah. And you're the leads?

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, he's never boring. They're never boring, they're always entertaining. They're always different. I mean, the thing is about Stanley is that-

• 1:16:09Bill Maher?

  So different.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  His movies were events, right? Because he only made one a year, even if that-

• 1:16:16Bill Maher?

  No, not close to that.

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  Not even close, it was like every four years or something like that, right? They were events. And you heard about it, you read about it, like I would follow the periodic- Yeah, go on.

• 1:16:26Bill Maher?

  And one had nothing to do with the other.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  None.

• 1:16:29Bill Maher?

  I mean-

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  None.

• 1:16:30Bill Maher?

  2001: A Space Odyssey is nothing like Barry Lyndon.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  No, and Barry Lyndon, when it came along, I was, I saw that in 70mm when it came out. And it was immense, just immense. And he had done all this-

• 1:16:44Bill Maher?

  2001.

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:16:46Bill Maher?

  Barry Lyndon.

• 1:16:47Speaker 04

  Barry Lyndon. I loved 2001.

• 1:16:48Bill Maher?

  Beautiful movie.

• 1:16:49Speaker 04

  Beautiful film. And he'd wanted to make Napoleon, a movie about Napoleon's life. And MGM, who'd just made a fortune off of him with 2001, bought the rights to a film called Waterloo with Rod Steiger, directed by Sergej Bundachuk. And the film, you know, Bundachuk had done great with War and Peace, right? And then he put out this film with Steiger as Napoleon and it bombed. And MGM came to Stanley Kubrick and said, "Yeah, we did this behind your back. We're sorry, but we bought this film and it didn't do any business, so all bets on it." And they actually turned him down. He would have made the greatest, I've read the scripts, amazing, Napoleon, film about Napoleon's life.

• 1:17:31Bill Maher?

  Well, they just did it and it was not good.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  No, anyway, but-

• 1:17:35Bill Maher?

  Was that, was that?

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  That wasn't Kubrick's script. Anyway, but the point I'm trying to make is that, is that he then took all that research, right? That he'd done for Napoleon and shifted it onto Barry Lyndon, right? All of, all of the ideas that he had from that time period, because he was going to do the whole life story of Napoleon. He just took that segment, right? Of Thackeray and used all the research he had. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

• 1:18:04Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I don't think it was a popular movie. It's a little slow, but so is 2001, you know.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  They're fine wines, but they're to be sipped, not gulped.

• 1:18:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's not my thing.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  No?

• 1:18:20Bill Maher?

  I'm not, it's like.

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  Do you like Paths of Glory?

• 1:18:23Bill Maher?

  I'm glad I, yes, great.

• 1:18:25Speaker 04

  Great movie.

• 1:18:25Bill Maher?

  That's old school.

• 1:18:27Speaker 04

  Old school.

• 1:18:27Bill Maher?

  That's before the Stanley Kubrick, I'll do whatever the fuck I want. I mean, I think Lolita's great. I think Doctor Strangelove is great.

• 1:18:35Speaker 04

  Genius.

• 1:18:36Bill Maher?

  I think Full Metal Jacket.

• 1:18:38Speaker 04

  Brilliant.

• 1:18:38Bill Maher?

  Is great. I love Eyes Wide Shut, even though it's weird. What am I leaving out? Oh, The Shining.

• 1:18:47Bill Maher?

  Again, there are parts that are like, wow. You know, he tests your patience as just like a normal kind of audience sometimes.

• 1:18:54Speaker 04

  But you can't look away. You're never bored.

• 1:18:56Bill Maher?

  That's not true. I have been bored. Eyes, I mean, absolutely, that is exactly what I am during a lot of 2001, is bored. I'm watching this wheel in space. It takes like 10 minutes and I'm hearing.

• 1:19:14Bill Maher?

  And I say, okay, I get it.

• 1:19:15Speaker 04

  It's hilarious.

• 1:19:16Bill Maher?

  It's so like, please, no. But, you know, he's Stanley Kubrick and it's, and not all of it. And, I mean, there's not a minute where I'm bored during Doctor Strangelove.

• 1:19:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:19:27Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's just one funny skit after.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  I recommend if, when they're rebuilding the Cinerama Dome now. And they have 70 millimeter prints of all the great Kubrick films and other directors. If and when they reopen it, which I'm praying they do, it's a great theater.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  Go see 2001 as it was meant to be seen in Cinerama in 70 millimeter. I'm telling you. You'll you'll have a different opinion on it.

• 1:19:56Bill Maher?

  If I was fifty years younger, I still wouldn't do it.

• 1:19:59Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:20:00Bill Maher?

  No, it's just.

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  No?

• 1:20:02Bill Maher?

  I it's.

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  It's not your scene?

• 1:20:04Bill Maher?

  It's bad enough I had to watch it at home while I was in the bathtub doing ten other things. It was still boring. I am not gonna go. You know what you'd have to do to get me to see that?

• 1:20:13Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:20:14Bill Maher?

  You'd have to put the things from Clockwork Orange on my eyes.

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 1:20:18Bill Maher?

  Remember Clockwork Orange with the guy with the? Another genius movie that doesn't bore for one second, Clockwork Orange.

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  Not one second.

• 1:20:25Bill Maher?

  The the the amazing thing about him is that every movie is like from a completely different universe.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  Completely different director, it seems.

• 1:20:33Bill Maher?

  A completely different director, right? Talk about not repeating yourself. Talk about artist, wow.

• 1:20:40Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 1:20:41Bill Maher?

  Stanley Kubrick.

• 1:20:42Speaker 04

  Absolutely amazing.

• 1:20:43Bill Maher?

  Shout out to you, motherfucker. We are just like playing in this universe.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:49Bill Maher?

  Which is boring the way he depicted it.

• 1:20:51Speaker 04

  As a kid, that when I first saw my first Danny Kubrick film, I was like, okay, this guy is a true artist and really understands the language of cinema.

• 1:21:02Bill Maher?

  What movies have you seen lately that you're crazy about?

• 1:21:06Speaker 04

  Well, I loved um I loved One Battle After Another. I think Paul Temes is a wonderful director, I really do.

• 1:21:15Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  I love Sinners.

• 1:21:16Bill Maher?

  I liked it.

• 1:21:17Speaker 04

  Ryan Coogler is a phenomenal filmmaker.

• 1:21:19Bill Maher?

  I liked it. I'm never crazy about vampires.

• 1:21:23Speaker 04

  No, me neither. But I but somehow.

• 1:21:26Bill Maher?

  I would have loved it more as just a straight up movie about that era. That that.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:21:35Bill Maher?

  Roadhouse.

• 1:21:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:21:36Bill Maher?

  But, you know, I get it, I I'm seventy and that's not what they they want vampires and they like mixing those genres and and, you know, it had it it had its reasons to do that and it was a it was a great movie, but um yeah, that's that would be my taste. I mean, I love straight up historical.

• 1:21:55Speaker 04

  Me too. Look about my body of work, it's mainly.

• 1:21:58Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:58Speaker 04

  History was my thing at school.

• 1:22:00Bill Maher?

  Oh, me too.

• 1:22:00Speaker 04

  So I I thought.

• 1:22:02Bill Maher?

  What period were you most interested in?

• 1:22:05Speaker 04

  Gosh, uh.

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  So funny enough, in England, you had to learn both British history and American history. So we had to study this American Civil War, Revolutionary War, all the way up to World War II, which was pretty, up to D-Day, which was pretty cool, actually. So for me, I was like getting the best of both. That's what made me fascinated by it, right? And so for me, it was like every class that I took was like, I'm receiving this information about, one of my favorite sayings, I can't pronounce his last name properly, George Santamaya, I think it is.

• 1:22:46Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:46Speaker 04

  He says, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." And I believe that. And so I ended up studying history for that reason and being fascinated by it, because we do, we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

• 1:23:01Bill Maher?

  So what's your favorite period?

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  My favorite period is, I'm fascinated by World War II. I'm fascinated by, let's see, I'm fascinated by the American Civil War. I'm fascinated by that. I'm fascinated in British history, I would say, all the wars, War of the Roses, right?

• 1:23:21Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:21Speaker 04

  I was fascinated by Charles I, having been removed from power and having his head cut off. I was fascinated by French history, the Revolution. I liked all of that.

• 1:23:30Bill Maher?

  You know what? I was trying to tell somebody recently about a period in history, like they were asking about Queen Elizabeth. I said, "Well, the first Queen Elizabeth, that's after which we know the Elizabethan era is named." Okay. Reigned for a long time.

• 1:23:46Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:23:47Bill Maher?

  And was, at the time that Shakespeare was writing, we're talking about the second half of the 16th century. She becomes queen in 1558.

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:23:55Bill Maher?

  Defeats the Spanish Armada in 1588.

• 1:23:58Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:23:59Bill Maher?

  Which, if she hadn't done that, we would be in a very different world, because that was Protestant England against Catholic Spain and France.

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:08Bill Maher?

  And dies in 1603.

• 1:24:10Speaker 04

  You know your stuff, man.

• 1:24:12Bill Maher?

  Oh, I do. I'm a history major.

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Wow. Were you a major?

• 1:24:16Bill Maher?

  Yeah. And she was the daughter of Henry VIII.

• 1:24:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:19Bill Maher?

  Of course. Okay. So who became king after, and she was known as the Virgin Queen.

• 1:24:27Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:24:28Bill Maher?

  Well, you say that like, "I wish I fucked her."

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  No, but she didn't bathe. Don't forget, she didn't bathe a lot. They didn't, back then. She had ladies in waiting.

• 1:24:37Bill Maher?

  You're saying that's why she couldn't get laid?

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, that's why she was wearing all this-

• 1:24:40Bill Maher?

  She's queen, and she smelled so bad that nobody still wanted to fuck her?

• 1:24:42Speaker 04

  Listen, hygiene, personal hygiene back then.

• 1:24:45Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:24:46Speaker 04

  Was not a thing.

• 1:24:46Bill Maher?

  Okay, but other people got over it. She must have not have been cute. I mean, come on.

• 1:24:51Speaker 04

  I don't know, we don't, you know.

• 1:24:53Bill Maher?

  Well, somebody was fucking.

• 1:24:54Speaker 04

  Wasn't there.

• 1:24:55Bill Maher?

  Well, I know, we weren't there.

• 1:24:56Speaker 04

  Raleigh was definitely interested. He got pretty close to it. We don't know what happened there.

• 1:25:00Bill Maher?

  Right. I think he explored.

• 1:25:02Speaker 04

  He explored. It's good. It's good, Bill. Very good.

• 1:25:05Bill Maher?

  He explored her pussy.

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  That's very good. And then, of course, you had, uh, uh, James I. I'm fascinated by that whole thing. He's a Scottish king who doesn't even speak English.

• 1:25:17Bill Maher?

  Okay, but here's what I've forgotten, can't answer in my own mind.

• 1:25:20Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:25:21Bill Maher?

  Okay, so she dies in 1603, the Virgin Queen.

• 1:25:24Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:25:25Bill Maher?

  Who took over? Who was the king in 1603?

• 1:25:28Speaker 04

  I just told you, James, James.

• 1:25:31Bill Maher?

  James.

• 1:25:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, of Scotland, James.

• 1:25:32Bill Maher?

  So how did he get the job?

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  Because he was Mary, Queen of Scots' son.

• 1:25:37Bill Maher?

  Okay, Mary's Queen of-

• 1:25:38Speaker 04

  We'll be back with more history.

• 1:25:39Bill Maher?

  No, that's great.

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  The history major of Bill Maher.

• 1:25:42Bill Maher?

  So Mary, Queen of Scots, was, was Cath-, was Elizabeth's rival for the throne?

• 1:25:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:25:48Bill Maher?

  Right? And she is Catholic?

• 1:25:50Speaker 04

  You know your stuff, man.

• 1:25:51Bill Maher?

  She's Catholic?

• 1:25:52Speaker 04

  I'm impressed.

• 1:25:52Bill Maher?

  Oh, yes. There's a great scene where they, where Elizabeth is in the first year, and she's in the castle, and the Catholics are marching on the castle. They wanted England to be Catholic again. And they have all these big, what they call tapers.

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:26:07Bill Maher?

  Giant candles. The church loves candles. I remember this when I was a kid.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:26:12Bill Maher?

  And, and Elizabeth goes to the window and then says to the garden, "Away with these candles. We see very well."

• 1:26:18Speaker 04

  That's a good line.

• 1:26:20Bill Maher?

  We could put it in Three Kings in the-

• 1:26:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:26:25Bill Maher?

  Away with these candles, we see very well.

• 1:26:27Speaker 04

  It's very good. What made you fascinated by history?

• 1:26:30Bill Maher?

  People. It's people. It's so much more interesting than fucking chemicals.

• 1:26:34Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:26:35Bill Maher?

  Or rocks.

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:26:36Bill Maher?

  Or.

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  Chemistry, yeah, none of that.

• 1:26:38Bill Maher?

  You know, like, it's people, it's stories about people.

• 1:26:41Speaker 04

  It's stories.

• 1:26:41Bill Maher?

  It's storytelling. It's the movies.

• 1:26:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is the movies. It was like the movies for me.

• 1:26:44Bill Maher?

  Movies have taken a lot, a lot from, you know, Saving Private Ryan is a real story and they made it into a movie.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:51Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, your movie is one of the many, many, many, many movies where they show the movie and in the credits, they show what the real people that the movie is based look like. And that's when you go, wow, Hollywood's really full of shit.

• 1:27:07Bill Maher?

  Real people are a lot uglier.

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  That's funny. That's funny.

• 1:27:11Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:27:11Speaker 04

  No, I love that you love history. I didn't know that about you. That's really interesting. Where did you study?

• 1:27:15Bill Maher?

  I love that you knew that answer. So, James.

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  James.

• 1:27:20Bill Maher?

  And then his son is the one that cut his head off in 1649.

• 1:27:25Speaker 04

  Charles.

• 1:27:26Bill Maher?

  And then the Restoration is 1660.

• 1:27:28Speaker 04

  I believe so.

• 1:27:29Bill Maher?

  Cromwell took over.

• 1:27:30Speaker 04

  Cromwell took over.

• 1:27:31Bill Maher?

  Who was very, very much not a party animal, right?

• 1:27:35Speaker 04

  Well, he didn't believe in the divine right of kings, right?

• 1:27:38Bill Maher?

  What an asshole.

• 1:27:38Speaker 04

  What an asshole. Where did he get that idea?

• 1:27:41Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  So, he was like, yeah.

• 1:27:43Bill Maher?

  Well, that's a good thing.

• 1:27:45Speaker 04

  But, well, he went a little nuts. He created his own new model army and practiced it on Irish people, which you're, you should know from your.

• 1:27:52Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  Your ancestry and, and the fact that he tested them out by wiping out tons of Irish people. I thought that was a little, a little over the top, in my humble, humble opinion.

• 1:28:04Bill Maher?

  Remember Braveheart?

• 1:28:05Speaker 04

  That was great. That was great.

• 1:28:07Bill Maher?

  Braveheart's a great movie.

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  Great movie.

• 1:28:08Bill Maher?

  I mean, I, I mean, Mel Gibson's a great movie maker. He just is.

• 1:28:12Speaker 04

  Movie maker.

• 1:28:13Bill Maher?

  Okay, so he gets a little loaded and. Pops off to the police when he's pulled over, so what? But like, there's a great line in there when, um, Patrick McGowan.

• 1:28:25Speaker 04

  Lovely, one of my favorites.

• 1:28:26Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:28:27Speaker 04

  The prisoner.

• 1:28:27Bill Maher?

  The prisoner, exactly. Oh my god, Diana Rigg.

• 1:28:31Speaker 04

  God, no, no, that's.

• 1:28:32Bill Maher?

  Hello, twelve year old boner.

• 1:28:33Speaker 04

  That's The Avengers. The prisoner was where he was.

• 1:28:36Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 1:28:37Speaker 04

  A spy who'd been excommunicated.

• 1:28:40Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  And sent to this, this desert prison.

• 1:28:43Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:28:44Speaker 04

  A resort, really.

• 1:28:45Bill Maher?

  And this big ball came out.

• 1:28:47Speaker 04

  Big ball was shaking. He came up, it was like a.

• 1:28:49Bill Maher?

  So, it was so ahead of its time.

• 1:28:50Speaker 04

  Brilliant.

• 1:28:51Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:28:51Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 1:28:52Bill Maher?

  Okay, but Patrick McGowan.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:54Bill Maher?

  Who was in this one.

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:56Bill Maher?

  The prisoner, right?

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:28:57Bill Maher?

  Okay, he played King Edward.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:01Bill Maher?

  Fighting Braveheart.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  Brilliant.

• 1:29:02Bill Maher?

  This is, this is the 14th century and Scotland trying to get their independence. And they're having this big battle with the Scottish people, and we're gonna finally get our independence. We're gonna kick the ass of the British.

• 1:29:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Bill Maher?

  And the British are on the hill, waiting for the battle to start. And the guy says to the king, Patrick McGowan, uh, should we, uh, have the archers fire, sir? Cause that's what they used to do, and that was like the artillery. You'd fire just in the air, and all the arrows would come down and kill like a, one out of 10 people. We'd be dead before the battle started. And he goes, no, arrows cost a dollar a piece. Send in the Irish.

• 1:29:37Speaker 04

  Oh wow, I forgot that.

• 1:29:40Bill Maher?

  Send in the Irish.

• 1:29:42Speaker 04

  Cannon fodder.

• 1:29:44Bill Maher?

  They cost nothing.

• 1:29:45Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:29:45Bill Maher?

  Arrows are expensive.

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  That's Mel, he knows how to do that.

• 1:29:50Bill Maher?

  Apocalypto?

• 1:29:51Speaker 04

  Just totally apocalypto, brilliant.

• 1:29:53Bill Maher?

  Brilliant.

• 1:29:54Speaker 04

  Brilliant. I, I had the, the, the good luck to tell him in person after I saw that film.

• 1:30:00Bill Maher?

  Oh really? At what traffic stop?

• 1:30:03Speaker 04

  No, it, it was a full house. I saw it in like Vancouver. And people applauded at the end. I told, it's a brilliant, brilliant film.

• 1:30:12Bill Maher?

  It's a chase movie.

• 1:30:13Speaker 04

  It is exactly right.

• 1:30:14Bill Maher?

  It just happens to be.

• 1:30:15Speaker 04

  Be set in.

• 1:30:16Bill Maher?

  Set in the jungle of Central America.

• 1:30:20Speaker 04

  Brilliant.

• 1:30:22Bill Maher?

  In, I would guess, the late 1400s because it has one of the great endings.

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Bill Maher?

  Because he finally escapes from, and also I love it that it blows the myth off that all primitive peoples were perfect people who were just riding unicorns and singing kumbaya. No, all people were horrible to each other. And the horrible tribe captures this guy from the nice tribe. They pursue him the whole movie.

• 1:30:49Speaker 04

  It's great.

• 1:30:50Bill Maher?

  He finally prevails and gets away from them, gets back to his home and saves his wife. And then he looks out on the ocean and there's the ships coming in from the world.

• 1:31:01Speaker 04

  So great.

• 1:31:02Bill Maher?

  It's like, oh.

• 1:31:03Speaker 04

  So great.

• 1:31:05Bill Maher?

  You can almost hear the, you know, Curb Your Enthusiasm music coming in.

• 1:31:10Speaker 04

  He's a remarkable filmmaker, Mel. You think of this as an actor who got to work with great directors, Peter Weir, Dick Donner. And I picked his brain about it. He goes, yeah, Carrie, I picked up on, obviously I had the good fortune to work with these great filmmakers. So I would study them, learn what they were doing. I wasn't just there as an actor for hire. I thought, okay, one day I want to do this. And of course, when you're working with phenomenal artists like that, it's bound to rub off.

• 1:31:40Bill Maher?

  Let's put him in our movie about purgatory.

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:31:45Bill Maher?

  Thank you.

• 1:31:51Speaker 04

  What a joy.

• 1:31:51Bill Maher?

  All right.

• 1:31:52Speaker 04

  What a joy, man. Thank you for having me.

• 1:31:53Bill Maher?

  I could talk to you all night, but I gotta go back to my real job.

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