George Santos | Club Random with Bill Maher

George Santos has been called a liar, a fraud, a fabulist, a convicted felon—and, for a while there, a United States Congressman. Now he’s at Club Random with Bill Maher, which feels about right! Santos talks about the lies that made him famous, finally admits the college and volleyball stories were complete BS, and explains how campaign finance crimes landed him in federal prison. He takes Bill inside life behind bars, including his time in solitary confinement. Bill, naturally, isn’t letting him off that easily. The two battle over which parts of the George Santos story are actually true, whether he’s learned anything, and why his explanations somehow keep creating more questions. They get into Trump, gay Republicans, cancel culture, political tribalism, the infamous drag photos, his family history, and what exactly comes next for George Santos. Bill has an idea: Hollywood. After all, he’s already got the résumé for playing George Santos. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1 Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: https://billmaher.substack.com Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Support our advertisers: Head to https://ZBiotics.com/RANDOM, code RANDOM for fifteen percent off your first order. For a limited time only our listeners get ten percent off your order with our exclusive link. Just head to https://hexclad.com/RANDOM Go to https://120Life.com and use my code RANDOM for 20% off. Try it risk-free for two weeks. Chapter. The only Medicare advisors that compare every plan out there: 984-217-3643 Buy Club Random Merch: https://clubrandom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM In Club Random, Bill Maher unleashes his comedic wit on an unpredictable lineup – from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Quentin Tarantino and Neil deGrasse Tyson – digging into everything but politics. It’s Maher in his familiar element: one-on-one vibes, unfiltered laughs, and the kind of freewheeling banter only he can deliver. ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last 23 years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 41 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written six bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass", and most recently "What This Comedian Said Will Shock You". FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:03Bill Maher?

  I can tell when someone is lying.

• 2:04Speaker 04

  I have no reason to lie.

• 2:06Bill Maher?

  You got it all out of your system.

• 2:12Bill Maher?

  What was prison like?

• 2:13Speaker 04

  Awful. I was there for 23 days, and then the warden put me in solitary confinement.

• 2:18Bill Maher?

  What'd you do?

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Hi. How are you?

• 2:25Bill Maher?

  Look at how friendly. Every guest should greet me this friendly.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  How are you?

• 2:29Bill Maher?

  Some of these motherfuckers don't even stand up.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  Oh, that's so bad. You deserve it, though. You deserve for people to stand up for you.

• 2:36Bill Maher?

  Some of them have been 90, that's why. Hey, see this thing?

• 2:42Speaker 04

  What is that?

• 2:43Bill Maher?

  Well, now, you're from Brazil, right?

• 2:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, my family's from Brazil. I was born in New York.

• 2:51Bill Maher?

  George, we're gonna have to get to this.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  We'll get to it, yeah, absolutely.

• 2:54Bill Maher?

  This thing is, I'm from Brazil, I believe. That's quite a...

• 2:58Speaker 04

  Really?

• 2:58Bill Maher?

  Yes. I had a friend who was an art dealer, and this is quite a valuable...

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Is it like a bossa nova type band?

• 3:07Bill Maher?

  Yes, and you plug it in, and these motherfuckers, like, they move.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  They move and play?

• 3:12Bill Maher?

  It's fucking creepy.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Is it like Girl of Ipanema or something like that?

• 3:15Bill Maher?

  Aren't those... The faces are creepy.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  They are creepy.

• 3:18Bill Maher?

  It's very like The Shining. You know what I mean?

• 3:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, Annabelle meets The Shining.

• 3:24Bill Maher?

  Yeah, so, but I thought, Brazil, but you're from... You were born where?

• 3:31Speaker 04

  I was born in New York City.

• 3:32Bill Maher?

  But your parents are from Brazil?

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Born in Brazil. So, it's funny, my family is an immigration chain of chaos.

• 3:38Bill Maher?

  Right, because you also say you're a Jew.

• 3:40Speaker 04

  Jew-ish.

• 3:41Bill Maher?

  And your grandparents were in the Holocaust?

• 3:43Speaker 04

  My mother's grandparents, so my great-grandparents, were in Europe during the Holocaust. There was a dislocation.

• 3:53Bill Maher?

  And as Jews?

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Jews, yeah. My mom was raised...

• 3:56Bill Maher?

  So, they lived through the Holocaust?

• 3:58Speaker 04

  They lived through it, and they migrated to Brazil, part of that great exodus. And then, some genealogist from France, hired by the New York Times, said, "I was lying. It's a story I was told my whole life."

• 4:10Bill Maher?

  It'd be funny if we found out today that you've been telling the truth about everything. I'm not counting on that, George.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Well, you know, look, I've been proven right on a lot of stuff in recent times.

• 4:21Bill Maher?

  Well, okay, look, I'm not...

• 4:23Speaker 04

  And again, I'm not here to judicate. I'm here to have a conversation.

• 4:25Bill Maher?

  I'm not either. We're here to have a... Have you seen this podcast before?

• 4:28Speaker 04

  I have.

• 4:29Bill Maher?

  It's... We could see... I'm just a guy who likes to fucking get high with somebody, and I...

• 4:34Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 4:35Bill Maher?

  And even, look, I'm also called bullshit bullshit, and that's probably gonna happen.

• 4:39Speaker 04

  That's great, yeah.

• 4:41Bill Maher?

  George, I don't think I'm breaking news yet.

• 4:44Speaker 04

  Hey, I'm the first one to say I've said a lot of bullshit in my life. And I'm very self-aware of that.

• 4:51Bill Maher?

  Okay, because the...

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Hey, I went to prison, Bill. Let's just put it that way.

• 4:55Bill Maher?

  I heard you had a good time, but...

• 4:57Speaker 04

  I don't know about that.

• 4:58Bill Maher?

  No, I'm sure you...

• 4:58Speaker 04

  It was a bad time.

• 4:59Bill Maher?

  The consensus is that you kind of Pinocchio your way into Congress, and I have to tell you, your reputation, again, I'm not here to attack you, but I mentioned, by the way, I'm very excited you're here.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  I'm so excited to be here.

• 5:13Bill Maher?

  So, like, when they told me, it was, it came up...

• 5:15Speaker 04

  It was last minute, yeah, yeah.

• 5:16Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it was last minute.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  Shock was so great. Your snap, amazing.

• 5:19Bill Maher?

  Yeah, they are great. And I was like, oh my gosh. And I told someone who is a very dear friend of mine, that, and this is a 28-year-old person, and I said, "George Santos", and she went, "The liar guy"? So, that was like the...

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 5:40Bill Maher?

  The person who's not like that much of a news out.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:44Bill Maher?

  That's what the headline was. But, you know, if you can tell me, like, this, this, I thought, you know, it sounded like what they were saying was that your grandparents escaped the Holocaust by being born Catholic in Brazil. But you're saying they left, they lived through the Holocaust. Do they have stories of living through the Holocaust?

• 6:06Speaker 04

  My great-grandparents, not my grandparents. That's where the disconnect originally was. So, my mother is born in Brazil to a Brazilian parent and a Belgian parent. My great-grandparents are Belgium, right? So, that's, my last name is De Volder on my mom's side, and Santos on my dad's side.

• 6:24Bill Maher?

  But you identify as a Jew?

• 6:25Speaker 04

  No, I identify as Catholic. I was raised Catholic.

• 6:28Bill Maher?

  But now?

• 6:29Speaker 04

  I say Jew-ish. I did that stupid 23andMe. I did a documentary. They made me do a 23andMe to prove it. It says I'm 33% Ashkenazi, so in the 23andMe DNA...

• 6:40Bill Maher?

  But it wasn't, like, you're like me, then. Like, Jewish is part of my, like, genetic heritage, but...

• 6:47Speaker 04

  But I'm not Jew-ish.

• 6:48Bill Maher?

  I was not either. I was raised Catholic. You were raised Catholic?

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Raised Catholic.

• 6:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah, so we had the same thing.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  So, I carry this on my neck, and I've carried it since I'm 15. I have a Star of David that was given to me by my mom, and a Catholic cross. And I've carried this in my neck since I'm 15 years old. I'm 38 years old.

• 7:04Bill Maher?

  You feel it wards off evil?

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Um, I just feel...

• 7:10Speaker 04

  My mom passed away 10 years ago, so for me, it's just like, I don't know. It's gonna die over my neck.

• 7:15Bill Maher?

  And you're gay?

• 7:17Speaker 04

  I'm, last I checked, yeah. I'm married to my husband. Is that a gay thing?

• 7:23Bill Maher?

  None of you don't suck dick, but, no.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  There's a lot to be unpacked there that I'm not giving you the privilege of unpacking.

• 7:32Bill Maher?

  There was an old joke.

• 7:33Speaker 04

  It's a great one.

• 7:34Bill Maher?

  A gay guy wakes up next to another gay guy in the morning. He says, "Oh, my God, did I commit a gay act"? And the guy says, "Peter Allen is a gay act. You fucked me in the ass."

• 7:46Speaker 04

  That's actually great.

• 7:48Bill Maher?

  But, so, but you're out of politics. That's good, because...

• 7:52Speaker 04

  I'm a recovering politician, and I never want to do anything in politics again.

• 7:56Bill Maher?

  No, I don't think it was right for you. You're moving toward show business, and see, this is, I think, a good move, because, like, politics, I mean, you can bullshit a crazy amount, but there is a limit.

• 8:08Speaker 04

  There is.

• 8:08Bill Maher?

  What's good for you is show business, there's no limit. It's just all bullshit, and so, I...

• 8:14Speaker 04

  So, I'm learning. Do you know how many people in LA say they're... Do you know how many people in LA actually say they represent me when they don't?

• 8:23Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 8:23Speaker 04

  Oh, my, I have, so...

• 8:25Bill Maher?

  Who does represent you?

• 8:26Speaker 04

  IAG, as of recent.

• 8:29Bill Maher?

  Isn't that an insurance company?

• 8:30Speaker 04

  No, Independent Artist Group.

• 8:33Bill Maher?

  That's how much trouble this guy's in. His agent is an insurance agent.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  No, IAG is an Independent Artist Group. I just engaged with them.

• 8:40Bill Maher?

  Who else do they have? Who are their...

• 8:42Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't.

• 8:43Bill Maher?

  Really? You don't know?

• 8:44Speaker 04

  I don't. Is it bad that I don't know?

• 8:46Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 8:46Speaker 04

  I'm kind of new to this business.

• 8:47Bill Maher?

  Are you kidding? Everybody in this town, if you're switching agencies or you're thinking about it, you want to know, "Do they have people on my level"? You know, are they, you know...

• 8:58Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, I'm this level.

• 9:02Bill Maher?

  I'm bottom of the barrel. I'm...

• 9:04Speaker 04

  Crawling my way up out of it, so I would hope they don't have people at my level and it's higher, so anything is up for me, that's why I I'm not too picky.

• 9:13Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  Very self-aware of that.

• 9:15Bill Maher?

  I was gonna say, you know, it's not, your honesty comes out when it comes out, I mean, you're like, uh, maybe I'm the whisperer, I don't know, Trump liked me.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  I mean, President Trump loved your dinner with him.

• 9:27Bill Maher?

  We both did, we both had a very good time, even, and including me contradicting him constantly, he never got mad, but you know, they get mad when I report that, but that's exactly what happened, but, uh, but we're not here to, but you were a supporter too, right, I mean, you ran, you won as a Republican.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  Uh, I was, I'm a very conservative, uh, Republican, uh, proud of that.

• 9:49Bill Maher?

  Are you in the Log Cabin Republicans?

• 9:51Speaker 04

  At one point I was, they're not a serious organization.

• 9:55Bill Maher?

  You don't think so?

• 9:55Speaker 04

  No, they're not.

• 9:56Bill Maher?

  Tell me why.

• 9:56Speaker 04

  They're not.

• 9:57Bill Maher?

  For people who don't know, that's, that's the gay.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  It's a glorified sex club.

• 10:01Bill Maher?

  It, it, wow, now there's headline news.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:04Bill Maher?

  The gay, the Log Cabin Republicans is the lobby within the Republican Party for gay Republicans, and there are a lot.

• 10:11Speaker 04

  There are a lot, yeah.

• 10:11Bill Maher?

  Peter Thiel, and, I mean, you know.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  I mean, you can go back to RNC Chairman Ken Melman, who works for KKK now.

• 10:17Bill Maher?

  And quite a few in the closet.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Uh-huh.

• 10:19Bill Maher?

  What?

• 10:20Speaker 04

  Look, let me be honest with you, um, when I was in Congress, I was the first ever openly gay man elected to Congress. When I served in Congress, I was not.

• 10:29Bill Maher?

  You were the first openly gay man elected to Congress?

• 10:31Speaker 04

  Republican, yes.

• 10:33Bill Maher?

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• 11:50Speaker 04

  I was the first Republican gay man openly elected to Congress, there's been plenty who were outed, but I ran with that front line, I am gay, yes.

• 11:58Bill Maher?

  Well, I am not gonna even have to fact-check that, your reputation speaks for itself, if you say you were the first Republican gay man.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  I didn't know that, I thought.

• 12:08Bill Maher?

  Done.

• 12:08Speaker 04

  I, I'll say this, I thought it was, um, I thought it was Aaron Shockitt, but apparently he, he was outed in, in office, right, former representative from, uh, what, is it Illinois?

• 12:18Bill Maher?

  Yes, I'm Shock, right?

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Aaron Shock, right?

• 12:21Bill Maher?

  Aaron Shock, yes, I remember the name.

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Remember the Downton, the Downton Abbey decor of his office?

• 12:26Bill Maher?

  What about Larry Craig, well, he was a sen-

• 12:28Speaker 04

  He was also outed.

• 12:29Bill Maher?

  Senator.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Yes, Senator. They were all outed, I came into the fray, hey, I'm gay, and I'm a Republican, here are my values.

• 12:37Bill Maher?

  But Barney Frank did it as a Democrat long before.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, Democrats have been electing the homos for years, have no issues with it, but for a Republican, it was a, it was a sort of a glass ceiling.

• 12:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  And, and I was shocked, when they reported, also my race was the first time in history that the two major party candidates were gay, because my opponent was gay. The only thing is, he was 68 and I was 34.

• 13:01Bill Maher?

  By the end of this show, you're gonna have me being gay.

• 13:04Speaker 04

  I don't thi, I think, I, I think your time and opportunity for that has come and gone, I don't think you have that risk.

• 13:11Bill Maher?

  You know what, I, I hadn't been on, uh, Santa Monica Boulevard here, the, you know, the famous gay strip.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  I wouldn't know, they hate me, so I don't go where they are.

• 13:18Bill Maher?

  Come on, you don't know.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  If I go to West Hollywood, they'll set me on fire.

• 13:22Bill Maher?

  Why, because you're a Republican?

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Because I'm Republican, it's California.

• 13:25Bill Maher?

  I fucking hate this about the Left, they're-

• 13:28Speaker 04

  It's not the Left, it's the gays, the Left are very tolerant of me, believe me.

• 13:31Bill Maher?

  Well, they're, they're, but what they hate about you is that they're, they are politically left, and they see you as politically right.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:38Bill Maher?

  And that is an intolerable situation for some people, which, it just is-

• 13:42Speaker 04

  The tolerant Left is not very tolerant.

• 13:44Bill Maher?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  That's what I always, you say that on your show a lot.

• 13:47Bill Maher?

  All the time.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  That the conservatives are willing to come and take it, but the Dems won't come.

• 13:51Bill Maher?

  I call them out for it all the time, they have, just have a terrible attitude about what sort of monopoly on the truth they have. Yes, Trump is worse than anybody, the Democrat, I get all that, I said all that before all of them did, it doesn't mean the, the search for truth ends there, that's the beginning of the story, there's a lot that goes on after that, like the 77 million Americans who voted for him, like they, it's like, for them, it's like, everybody who voted for Trump is Trump, and that's just such a simplistic, stupid way to look at the world.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 14:23Bill Maher?

  It, well, it's just obvious.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  Well, how about this, um, it's funny that on my way here today, I was like, watching stuff on my video, on my phone, uh, in the plane, and a video popped up, and I, I have never seen it, and it's crazy, because I think I've seen everything from 2016, but it was a Michael Moore voiceover about the, like, roundup of 2016, so this is a whole new version of him talking about it, and it's funny, because he's like, and they referenced me all through election night, because he was alarming, uh, throughout the media, if you remember in 2016, on your show including.

• 14:54Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 14:55Speaker 04

  Saying, like, you guys are underestimating Trump, I, I live in Wisconsin, I hear what these people are going through.

• 15:00Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  I hear what they want, you guys are discounting him.

• 15:02Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  And again, history shows that.

• 15:04Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  There was a level of arrogance, I mean, from George Clooney to Nancy Pelosi, and all the way through media, just like, there's not gonna be a Donald Trump President, well, not only there was a President Trump, there's two-term President Trump, so.

• 15:17Bill Maher?

  So you're gonna have a hard time, you're saying, in this world of show business, because, and you're right, I mean, you, you know, they used to use this term blacklist, and then they blacklisted the actual term blacklist. I mean, that's, I'm serious, these people are out of their minds, but, and the blacklist was as opposed, or no, the whitelist, blacklisting was like from the, you know, in the, in the McCarthy era.

• 15:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:41Bill Maher?

  People, if you were suspected of being a communist, a whitelist is, uh, if you're a conservative in Hollywood.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:48Bill Maher?

  They will either not, not hire you, not work with you, snub you, there's the, the writer Taylor Sheridan, the biggest, I think, bestest writer in television, but he's perceived as a, a conservative, it's really not, but you know, his shows, you know, Yellowstone, they're about Ameri, not everything, not everything takes place, you know, in a fucking magazine office in San Francisco.

• 16:15Speaker 04

  I mean, I, a lot can be argued about, um, um, the Devil Wears Prada in New York City, right, everybody, the most iconic movie in my generation is a Devil Wears Prada, and a proof of that is, the sequel is just as good as the first one.

• 16:29Bill Maher?

  It was, I, I'm admitting to say it was good.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  Amazing, oh my, I will say this, I, look, Mel Strip, Mel Strip probably hates me, and everything about me, but she's a phenomenal actress, and I'm gonna give it to her, I'm not one of-

• 16:39Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  I am conservative, I am very fiscally conservative, but I'm socially liberal, I'm a gay man from New York City, Bill, um, my conservative values span from common sense, in a sense where we can't spend ourself out of debt, we need to save to get out of debt, and, and we can't promote, you know, trans surgery for children, like, those are the things that, like, I-

• 17:03Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, common sense.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  I, I don't, I don't, and a lot of people like to say that I voted against gay rights, no, I voted against gender transitioning of children, and I stand by that vote.

• 17:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and you can stand by that vote, I, George, I don't think, as a, as a campaign manager here, that, this is not the main problem we have.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  Oh, no, of course not.

• 17:22Bill Maher?

  The main problem is that people think-

• 17:24Speaker 04

  Well, cheers.

• 17:25Bill Maher?

  Cheers, great to talk to you.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  Cheers.

• 17:27Bill Maher?

  Uh, we're just beginning, um, people think that you lied about your, uh, religion, your education, your ancestry.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Oh, my education was all bullshit.

• 17:37Bill Maher?

  Your job.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  Bullshit.

• 17:38Bill Maher?

  Your jobs, your finances, um-

• 17:42Speaker 04

  My finances I didn't lie about.

• 17:43Bill Maher?

  Your charity work, they, and some of your things were so bizarre, like, like, why say you went to colleges when you know they can prove you didn't?

• 17:53Speaker 04

  So, you know what's funny, um, and you've probably heard me say this before, your audience probably, that lie started in a controlled environment to impress the GOP Party Chair. Big college guy, he's a Notre Dame grad, obsessed, refereed for Notre Dame, like, in, in his older age.

• 18:11Bill Maher?

  And what is his job?

• 18:12Speaker 04

  He's a GOP, uh, Chairman in, in, on Long Island, Nassau County on Long Island, I needed his approval, and this lie comes from, and, and again, by the way, I worked in the private sector without ever lying about my education, I mean, I was very caught, I worked for four major private equity, you know, mid-sized companies, uh, from Met Global, which was a Turkish company, to Linkbridge Investors, which was a startup, and then Harbor City Capital that, you know, blew up because the owner decided to go fucking sideways with things, but again, I, I had no involvement in that, I was an employee.

• 18:45Bill Maher?

  So you were working in finance?

• 18:47Speaker 04

  I was, I was a private equity, uh, capital placement agent, essentially, that's literally what I did, I raised money, that's why I raised so much money for my race, because I'm good at, uh, selling, I'm a great salesman, I, I can sell sand in a desert in a drought, so, well, that was my, that was kind of like my, my profession, so selling myself to the people wasn't so hard.

• 19:08Bill Maher?

  Okay, but, you know.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  But you shouldn't lie, and no excuses for it.

• 19:12Bill Maher?

  You went to prison, and 28-year-old thinks he was the liar guy, so that, so they're, you know, that's, I'm a great sell-

• 19:20Speaker 04

  It's hard to find the media narrative.

• 19:21Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm a great salesman, yeah, I mean, I mean, Trump, I mean, obviously has told more lies than all the Presidents combined.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  I don't know that that's true, though.

• 19:31Bill Maher?

  But you do know it's true, you know that even his fans say, we take him seriously, not literally, he ju, you know that he just pulls stuff out of his ass whenever he wants to.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  Can I, is it a lie, or, how about this, is it a lie, or, or it is a strategic, like, disrupt, disruption of the- Matrix, right? Like, I feel, and I'm not making excuses, but I'm gonna throw this at you.

• 19:57Bill Maher?

  Try that in a relationship.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  It doesn't work.

• 19:59Bill Maher?

  Honey, it's a, I'm not fucking the cocktail waitress. It's a, it's a rupture in the matrix.

• 20:06Speaker 04

  That's not what I'm saying.

• 20:07Bill Maher?

  Well, this kinda is what you're saying. We're redefining lying now.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  No, no, I'm not, I'm definitely not gonna redefine lying because after my entire experience, I, look, Bill, at thirty eight, at thirty seven years old, I ended in federal, I ended up, three days after my thirty seventh year, uh, birthday, in federal prison, which was supposed to be an egregious seven year sentence, which, you know, by the grace of God and President Trump.

• 20:29Bill Maher?

  Pardon you.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  He commuted me. I'm still a felon.

• 20:32Bill Maher?

  Commute, oh, right, okay.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  So, uh, I, I'm very lucky, I'm very fortunate, I was given this amazing second chance, right? Um, the, the point that I always get at with, with these conversations are, you're not, do, don't expect me to tell you a lie ever again, and, and it's, it's like blunt truth and, and, and abrasive.

• 20:53Bill Maher?

  I feel like if, if this show serves as a new beginning, I have done a great service. Because obviously, I see, talking to you, and it is so different than what you get from, through the press. Everything is filtered through the press.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  I'm an evil person in the press.

• 21:07Bill Maher?

  I see you're a nice guy, you're, you're smart, uh, you are good at politics. You have a very buoyant way about you that I could see why people, you know, let's frankly be frank, you did lie about things.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  Oh, no, I did.

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• 22:45Bill Maher?

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• 22:51Speaker 04

  I admit that, uh, uh, it's a shame, it's a great deal of shame.

• 22:54Bill Maher?

  What about the cats one, where you, you, you neutered like three, three thousand cats? That was so specific.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  By the way, so, so true story, that-

• 23:02Bill Maher?

  You've cut the balls off cats.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  No, no, so that's actually a true statement, that was-

• 23:06Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 23:06Speaker 04

  That, that, uh, we, we were able to prove that one, luckily. I was, I was part of a program for TNR, trap neuter release, just to redo-

• 23:13Bill Maher?

  Trap neuter release.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  That's what it is, it's, it's an ASPCA.

• 23:17Bill Maher?

  Get rid of traps?

• 23:17Speaker 04

  No, you put traps out, get the, get, get, get, get street, street cats, right?

• 23:23Bill Maher?

  Oh, without killing them, traps?

• 23:24Speaker 04

  We don't kill them.

• 23:25Bill Maher?

  No, I'm saying the traps don't kill them, they just capture them.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  They just capture them.

• 23:28Bill Maher?

  How do you do that?

• 23:29Speaker 04

  You put food in it, they walk in, they're starving, they're scavenging, so they walk in, you go, you find colonies. They come in, you take them to the ASPCA, they put them out, neuter them, you stop the proliferation of-

• 23:40Bill Maher?

  And you did that.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  I, I'm allergic to cats and I did that. I got deadly allergic.

• 23:45Bill Maher?

  And you, uh, I mean, from what I read, you estimate that you've cut off three thousand balls.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  Not just balls, but you, you get the gist of it, yeah, that was, that was the, that was the number over the course of ten years, yes. Which is not bad.

• 23:57Bill Maher?

  Turns out you're George Washington, you've never told a lie.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 24:02Bill Maher?

  And, uh, I mean, so, okay, so that one, what about, uh, volleyball in college?

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Well, look, I didn't go to college, so that was bullshit. Come on.

• 24:11Bill Maher?

  But why, George, why?

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Well, you know what, I, so, back to the story, which was supposed to be a lie for a one-

• 24:17Bill Maher?

  This is interesting, finish that.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  It was a one person audience lie. You need to relate with this man with sports, because this is his entire vernacular. Everything is about the end zone and I don't know the first fucking thing about football.

• 24:30Bill Maher?

  Cause you're gay.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  Well, duh. So, um, I had to come up with sports I knew. Tennis, I know a lot about tennis, the US Open just finished, my favorite player got smoked, which is Alcaraz. I, I absolutely love him, Spaniard player, he's a prodigy, if anything, of tennis.

• 24:48Bill Maher?

  Quite a hunk to watch for the whole match, huh?

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Not gonna lie, well, he was puking in the towel in his last match, though.

• 24:53Bill Maher?

  He what?

• 24:53Speaker 04

  He was puking in his towel.

• 24:55Bill Maher?

  Still hot, I bet.

• 24:56Speaker 04

  It's still very hot.

• 24:58Bill Maher?

  Do I know gay, uh, life or I don't know?

• 25:02Speaker 04

  So, he, I, I knew tennis wasn't gonna be it, and I said, look, the only other sport that I can speak somewhat technical terms is volleyball, or soccer, but volleyball. I played volleyball in junior high and in high school.

• 25:17Bill Maher?

  You don't look like a volleyball player.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  I, I was, I'm fat now, I look like the ball.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  But I, I look like the ball. I wasn't fat my whole life, damn it, Bill.

• 25:30Bill Maher?

  Oh, really?

• 25:30Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 25:31Bill Maher?

  So, you were young and svelte and you just-

• 25:33Speaker 04

  I had, I, dude, I, I actually-

• 25:34Bill Maher?

  And are you athletic?

• 25:35Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 25:37Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  I liked volleyball because it didn't require, like, when you're in school volleyball, it's like, there's, like, I think twelve of these fuckers on each side of the net, you really barely move. Like, you gotta be really, you gotta really go out of your way to fucking chase the ball when there's twelve motherfuckers on each side of the net.

• 25:54Bill Maher?

  And they always play in the sand, right?

• 25:56Speaker 04

  No, we were playing, uh, court volleyball, so indoors, court, right? So that's the only thing I knew, kind of, technical terms, so I said to him, like, you know, Chairman, I didn't play, I didn't play, um, uh, football, but I played volleyball in college. And that's where it all started, I'm like, and I left that meeting, like, I really hope this conversation ever has to be repeated, because I can't remember the first or the last lie I told in there, but it was enough to impress him. The thing I wasn't counting on, is that in, like, in the months to come, he started introducing me, you know, he would always use a little, uh, political, uh, sports innuendo to introduce candidates at functions. And he's gonna spike the victory from the back of the court, and I'm like, oh no!

• 26:41Speaker 04

  I'm like, oh, I'm so, and that's when it started, I'm like, oh shit, I'm gonna have to keep this up. And once you start telling one lie, I, I'm not saying you're a liar, but once you tell a lie, you gotta cover up lies with lies, and, and then the rest is just bad.

• 26:54Bill Maher?

  I, first of all, I love hearing the details to these stories, it's so interesting. It's like, I was given something that was a rough sketch in black and white, and now somebody's putting in the colors. And I see the picture. No, again, you're still a liar on that, but like-

• 27:11Speaker 04

  Oh, terrible, and a bad one on that.

• 27:13Bill Maher?

  Let me, let me throw this down as a gesture to, uh, you know, everyone in America is a liar, and I remember distinctly, the year after I, no, maybe it was my summer between my freshman and sophomore years of college, and I was going for this summer job, it was, this is so ridiculous, a door to door pot and pan salesman. Really, this is like nineteen seventy six, and they figured what you would do, this is so sick, you'd go through the, uh, phone book and cold call girls who you've learned from their high school yearbooks weren't going to college. Cause they were gonna get married and would need cookware.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 27:58Bill Maher?

  It is amazing. And I wanted this job.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  So, wait, you have this big, thick, yellow pages in one hand and your yearbook on the other hand, you're like, yeah, no, she's definitely not mature.

• 28:08Bill Maher?

  Yearbooks were in the library, so you look in the yearbook and you find the bitches who were not going to college. It's just so wrong, okay, and I-

• 28:16Speaker 04

  Wait, hold on, were they the pretty girls, though? Or were they the fat ugly girls?

• 28:20Bill Maher?

  I don't, I-

• 28:21Speaker 04

  I would assume the ugly girls had to go to college, because nobody was gonna marry them.

• 28:24Bill Maher?

  That's a good point, and I certainly had it in my mind, oh, when I walk up to their house with this giant suitcase full of pots and pans, I'm gonna meet some hot chicks. Why can't the salesman be the guy? It's like a perfect rom com.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:38Bill Maher?

  Uh, so I, so when I went in-

• 28:40Speaker 04

  How many of them did you bang?

• 28:41Bill Maher?

  No, no, I quit after four days.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Oh, that's too bad.

• 28:44Bill Maher?

  But, like, I remember in the interview, there was some question that they asked me, and on the spot, I made up a huge lie, because I knew I was trying to get a job as a salesman, and I spun this yarn about how I talked somebody out of suicide. And it came, it came from-

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Really?

• 29:02Bill Maher?

  Whole, it came from whole cloth, it just came from the desperation of-

• 29:06Speaker 04

  I need a job.

• 29:07Bill Maher?

  I need an answer.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:08Bill Maher?

  This one is a good one, and I could get this job, and who's gonna check, and, uh, another life I saved, you know? So, we all do it to a degree.

• 29:18Speaker 04

  Look, I, look, uh-

• 29:19Bill Maher?

  You may have taken a little too much advantage of that.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  Look, prior to running for Congress-

• 29:24Bill Maher?

  And you're black.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  My dad is Afro-Brazilian. And the picture's out there to prove it.

• 29:30Bill Maher?

  You're a proudly gay.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Jew-ish.

• 29:33Bill Maher?

  Heterosexual.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  No, no, gay.

• 29:36Bill Maher?

  Brain, aren't you a brain tumor victim?

• 29:38Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 29:39Bill Maher?

  Didn't you have a brain tumor?

• 29:40Speaker 04

  You see, that story was, stories that were fabricated. Brain tumor, producer, and, and I never said those things. You'll, you'll never find record of me saying those things.

• 29:50Bill Maher?

  Really? Where'd they get the brain tumor?

• 29:53Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 29:54Bill Maher?

  Who said it first?

• 29:55Speaker 04

  Hold, I don't remember. It's been a lot, Bill. Spider-Man producer. There's records of me on Facebook. I went to watch it and I'm like shitting on it. Like, it was awful because the, but I don't know if you remember the reporting on it.

• 30:08Bill Maher?

  What do, about the brain tumor?

• 30:10Speaker 04

  No, I'm talking about Spider, producing Spider-Man on Broadway.

• 30:13Bill Maher?

  Who did that?

• 30:14Speaker 04

  People said I said that. I've never said that.

• 30:17Bill Maher?

  They did? They said you, you said you-

• 30:18Speaker 04

  People literally said, I'll own up to any lie I've ever told.

• 30:22Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  I will not take-

• 30:23Bill Maher?

  No, if you had a piece of Spider-Man on Broadway, you'd be doing better.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Oh, no. Well, that's not true because it was a flop.

• 30:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, it was?

• 30:29Speaker 04

  It was a total flop.

• 30:30Bill Maher?

  I thought Spider-Man was like the most successful, oh, that must be the movie.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  It was canceled like months into it because the, the whole acrobatics of it was a hazard. I think they went through multi, I had to obviously read up on this after the fact.

• 30:43Bill Maher?

  So why did you produce it?

• 30:44Speaker 04

  I didn't produce it. But I was credited for it. That's actually in the Smithsonian Museum in DC. George Santos once said he, he, he lied about producing Spider-Man. I'm like, I never said that. It's not even on the record.

• 30:58Bill Maher?

  Well, you know, I mean, it's hysterical because, uh, even though knowing the reputation you had and you admit, you know, some of these things, yes, lies. I still, when you present the case, well, the media got this wrong. My immediate reaction just is not, well, the media doesn't get things wrong. My reaction is, yeah, you know what? That could very well be true. The me, I don't trust them ever, any of them. I have to read three of them to get the full story. Nobody ever has any interest in telling you the full story.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  Well, it's because it's not about being right.

• 31:34Bill Maher?

  They want to shove their narrative down your gizzard. That's what they want to do.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  We live in a time with the media where I, I am very critical of it. Because nobody is interested in being right. They're interested in being first. And if they have to make corrections later.

• 31:51Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 31:51Speaker 04

  They don't care. They, they don't care about the consequences, but-

• 31:54Bill Maher?

  You're so right. It's such a huge part of it.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  This is not, this isn't my case though. My case is a little different. I own, I owned up to a lot of stupid stuff I did. A lot of inexcusably dumb decisions. And I've owned up to them in court. I've owned up to them to the press. I've owned up to my family, in the media, in Congress. I mean, time and time again to nauseam. And I will continue to do so, so long as it's requested, required of me.

• 32:17Bill Maher?

  What are the top five?

• 32:19Speaker 04

  The, well, I, I guess, uh, I can't even rank them. Like Goldman Sachs.

• 32:26Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, Goldman Sachs.

• 32:28Speaker 04

  By the way, like in hindsight, who the hell would even think that's a good idea? I don't want to be associated with Goldman Sachs.

• 32:35Bill Maher?

  Why would you want to be associated with Baruch College?

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Well, it's a great school.

• 32:39Bill Maher?

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• 33:22Bill Maher?

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• 33:45Speaker 04

  It's a very good school.

• 33:46Bill Maher?

  Oh, it is?

• 33:47Speaker 04

  It is. I actually enrolled there, but I just never attended.

• 33:50Bill Maher?

  You know, one of my first jobs ever as a comedian was a noon time show at Baruch College. This is like 1980.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 34:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah. And like everybody was-

• 34:01Speaker 04

  That's before Cuny.

• 34:02Bill Maher?

  Well, it was like comedy was exploding. It was like the thing, like as soon as the disco ball came down, com, it was like comedy was the next thing.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:10Bill Maher?

  It was everywhere and everybody wanted it everywhere. I did a lot of shows, like on floors, no stage.

• 34:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that sounds super fun.

• 34:17Bill Maher?

  And this is, no just stages, it's just like somewhere-

• 34:19Speaker 04

  I think it's appropriate, Jewish school, Jewish comedian.

• 34:22Bill Maher?

  I'm not Jewish and you're not Jewish.

• 34:25Speaker 04

  Well, you're Jew-ish.

• 34:26Bill Maher?

  I'm like you. Black, proudly gay, heterosexual, brain tumor victim who survived the Holocaust in Brazil.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness. This is amazing. I, I expected no less. Um, you should go, you should come, if I do a roast George Santos, you should come to roast me. It'd be so fun.

• 34:46Bill Maher?

  If you, oh, who's, who's gonna roast you?

• 34:48Speaker 04

  I'm planning on doing a roast George Santos.

• 34:50Bill Maher?

  That's a smart thing.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  You should come.

• 34:52Bill Maher?

  I will.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  Here's an invitation right now. You should come. I'll have my people call your people.

• 34:58Bill Maher?

  Only if I can go on first, because everybody's gonna do the same joke.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  That's fine. You can go on first. Deal.

• 35:04Bill Maher?

  Okay, okay.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  Deal on camera.

• 35:05Bill Maher?

  All right.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  Won't go back on it. That would be fun. You know Jim Norton?

• 35:09Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, I know of him. I don't know.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  I love Jim. Jim agreed to do it.

• 35:13Bill Maher?

  Oh, okay. Well, he's a great, uh, you know, company to be in. I, um, but, um, yeah, I mean, I'm doing one for Jesse Smollett next month, so.

• 35:25Speaker 04

  Oh, is it in MAGA country, Illinois?

• 35:27Bill Maher?

  So I'm a little-

• 35:28Speaker 04

  Is it in MAGA country downtown Chicago?

• 35:30Bill Maher?

  I don't know if I want to do two of those in one year. I don't know. I'll, I'll look into my schedule, but, uh, but yeah, I would do that.

• 35:37Speaker 04

  Actually?

• 35:37Bill Maher?

  No.

• 35:37Speaker 04

  Oh. You got me there.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  You just never know.

• 35:43Bill Maher?

  He's the only other liar on this level that I could come up with.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  He did Special Forces season four. I did Special Forces season five, so.

• 35:52Bill Maher?

  What's that?

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Oh, the Fox show that they put you through the Special Forces military training.

• 35:56Bill Maher?

  That one? You did that?

• 35:57Speaker 04

  For me, it's on the 24th of September.

• 35:59Bill Maher?

  So we haven't seen it yet?

• 36:01Speaker 04

  No.

• 36:02Bill Maher?

  How, what's it like?

• 36:03Speaker 04

  It's insane. We were in the middle of the Malaysian jungle in an island called Langkawi. So I, I flew JFK Seoul, Seoul, Singapore, slept in Singapore because I needed a stop at one point. Then went into Kuala Lumpur, then from Kuala Lumpur to Langkawi, which is a little beautiful, very common destination for like Australians apparently. Because you saw a lot of the Aussies there. And it was beautiful, right? I caught malaria. It was just lovely.

• 36:30Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Fucking lovely. It was so- Well, it's a mosquito bite.

• 36:34Bill Maher?

  You got malaria?

• 36:35Speaker 04

  It's, it's a fever. It's dead.

• 36:37Bill Maher?

  Well, people used to get it. It was a killer.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  Well, not anymore. I was on-

• 36:40Bill Maher?

  Not anymore. What did they do? Quinine is what they used to-

• 36:43Speaker 04

  I just had, I just had, uh-

• 36:44Bill Maher?

  The guys in World War II got it, fighting the Japanese.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  It, and, and also they got it in Vietnam.

• 36:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  But, but my point is-

• 36:52Bill Maher?

  So now they know how to handle it?

• 36:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a drug called literally malaria.

• 36:57Bill Maher?

  And it just, it just squashes it?

• 36:59Speaker 04

  It, it, it mitigates the effects essentially. I was taking malaria.

• 37:03Bill Maher?

  There's no side effects?

• 37:04Speaker 04

  There were side effects.

• 37:06Bill Maher?

  From the malaria?

• 37:07Speaker 04

  Well, no, from the malaria.

• 37:08Bill Maher?

  Like what?

• 37:09Speaker 04

  Like diarrhea. So the whole, the, the experience was very interesting. But again, not my first rodeo with some bizarre mosquito borne disease because I've had dengue, which is West Nile, uh, mosquito airborne, which Brazil very common.

• 37:25Bill Maher?

  You don't want that one either.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, well.

• 37:27Bill Maher?

  Wow, you've had dengue?

• 37:28Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, you go to Brazil as a kid your whole life, every summer.

• 37:32Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  You get dengue eventually.

• 37:34Bill Maher?

  Is this why I was-

• 37:34Speaker 04

  Takes one mosquito.

• 37:35Bill Maher?

  I don't go east of La Brea.

• 37:39Bill Maher?

  I'm just not-

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Well, I just go everywhere, so that's so, it was a great experience, but very humbling. Oh, my God.

• 37:45Bill Maher?

  Where do you live now?

• 37:46Speaker 04

  I live in Pennsylvania.

• 37:47Bill Maher?

  Oh, Pennsylvania?

• 37:48Speaker 04

  So, yeah, I left-

• 37:49Bill Maher?

  What kind of a town?

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Uh, I'm in the Poconos.

• 37:52Bill Maher?

  Whoa.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:54Bill Maher?

  I know someone from the Poconos.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I live in the Poconos for the last two years.

• 37:57Bill Maher?

  Oh, that's awesome. So it's almost like a Hallmark movie. Moves back to his hometown.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Well, I'm from New York though.

• 38:05Bill Maher?

  Meets a handsome guy who's, who's, who's-

• 38:09Speaker 04

  A lumberjack?

• 38:10Bill Maher?

  No, he lives in the big city and he's hustling and bustling and, and he meets you there in the rural place. And it's like, how are we gonna make this work? But you were, you're married, you said?

• 38:19Speaker 04

  I'm married, yeah. We-

• 38:20Bill Maher?

  How long you been married?

• 38:21Speaker 04

  Um, five years this year, but together, we dated three years prior to getting married, so eight years together. We met on Grindr, on an app glitch.

• 38:28Bill Maher?

  You say that like it's surprising.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  It's, I mean-

• 38:31Bill Maher?

  We met on Grindr.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  Well, most people fuck on Grindr. They don't get married off of it. That's the thing.

• 38:36Bill Maher?

  Well-

• 38:37Speaker 04

  That's the joke, at least for gays.

• 38:39Bill Maher?

  Fucking leads to, to more su-

• 38:41Speaker 04

  I've never met anyone who said they, I met my husband off of Grindr. I, I'm yet to hear that.

• 38:46Bill Maher?

  Is that right?

• 38:46Speaker 04

  I, I've heard Tinder, Hinge, but not Grindr.

• 38:49Bill Maher?

  Okay, but that seems weird because, I guess I'm only speaking from the heterosexual world and I am the most heterosexual man in America.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  I believe you.

• 38:57Bill Maher?

  Uh, it's true.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  It oozes. The testosterone oozes.

• 39:00Bill Maher?

  I just don't have, and I love the gays, but I don't have, I don't have the chip. Okay, but, uh, like in the heterosexual world, yes, there-

• 39:08Speaker 04

  I might get straight today because there's so much testosterone in my life.

• 39:12Bill Maher?

  There may, there, there certainly are instances where two people hook up, as the kids say. Meaning they just met, they barely know each other, they're both horny, they're attracted to each other, and they fuck. And then they actually find out they like each other. I mean, it's the old thing where, you know, again, this is not me now, but when I was younger, you know, safe sex? Oh, of course we're gonna have safe sex. And then you do. You fuck with a rubber, uh, the first time. And then a half hour later, you start fucking again. And she's like, what happened to the rubber? I'm like, well, that's when we didn't know each other. Now we know each other. You said when we, of course we don't know. Now we, I mean, for God's sakes, we just fucked. I mean, how much more intimate can you get?

• 39:55Bill Maher?

  It does make people like each other and bond on a level that nothing does.

• 40:00Speaker 04

  That's funny.

• 40:01Bill Maher?

  So like, I can't believe that people haven't met on Grindr and then gotten married.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  I haven't met. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm, I'm pretty sure in Bumblefuck, Oklahoma, where they don't want to talk about this stuff, there's probably a bunch of these gays that have done it. Or, you know, I don't know where else in the country. But in New York, it's such a seedy, detached environment.

• 40:24Bill Maher?

  I agree.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  So it's just like-

• 40:26Bill Maher?

  No, I mean, New York in general.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  In general, right. And then Grindr is just elevated because it siphons down all the seedy, really detached human beings.

• 40:32Bill Maher?

  I lived in New York twice. I lived-

• 40:34Speaker 04

  My condolences.

• 40:35Bill Maher?

  Yes, I lived in a predominantly, uh, gay area called Manhattan.

• 40:39Speaker 04

  Well, what part? Hell's Kitchen?

• 40:42Bill Maher?

  I did live in Hell's Kitchen.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  Of course you did. Of course you did.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  If you work in television, you live in Hell's Kitchen.

• 40:48Bill Maher?

  Well, this is before I worked in television.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 40:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah, this is nineteen eighty when I was.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, I wasn't even born.

• 40:53Bill Maher?

  Working on sawdust floors, yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  Oh, that must have been hot.

• 40:58Bill Maher?

  It was not. It was horrible. Starting is horrible.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  Really?

• 41:01Bill Maher?

  So where do you wanna, now, you're sagging into the show business, you're gonna fight the, the, you know, headwinds of prejudice against a conservative Republican. And the other thing.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  Felon, liar, gay, Republican. I mean, I have a lot of minorities.

• 41:21Bill Maher?

  I know, but you know what? My, my thing is, I think you should cultivate the gay crowd first, because like.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  They hate me.

• 41:28Bill Maher?

  They, we'll make them like.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  I attacked Trixie Mattel, one of the drag queens that they love the most. We had this massive feud on Twitter and I came out on top and they could never forgive me for it. True story, by the way. It's the funniest exchange you'll ever see a sitting United States Congressman having with a drag queen. That was very, very fun. But I'll say this, I have to say I have had an amazing experience so far in my christening of entertainment. I have been given so much grace. I've worked with people of, I mean, if you look at the cast of Special Forces.

• 42:05Bill Maher?

  You just said, people are fighting to represent you.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Uh, no, not fighting, lying.

• 42:11Bill Maher?

  But wasn't that a form of wanting to represent?

• 42:13Speaker 04

  Well, no, I think it's because there's been a lot of, I have said a lot, a lot of no's to a lot of different projects because I didn't like either the title of the show or the, the direction it was going in. Because in my mind, I said, I don't wanna be associated with this or with that. Right? If I'm going to build a brand new brand for myself, that's an oxymoron, I, I wanted to have something, you know, meaningful. And I thought, Special Forces, when it came out, I'm like, okay, I'm way overweight. What, I have no business being in camo, cameos and, and then jumping out of helicopters like I did. But you know what? Everything that I did in Special Forces, I stand by and I'm so proud.

• 42:56Bill Maher?

  It doesn't get you in shape?

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Oh, it, it could if it was in a short, it's a show, right? It's like, how fast can you get in a small, in a short production?

• 43:04Bill Maher?

  How long are you there for?

• 43:05Speaker 04

  I can't say that, contractually.

• 43:07Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Cause then it reveals like my duration on the show.

• 43:10Bill Maher?

  Okay, but it has to be a while. It's not a day.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Uh, like I said, I can't say that.

• 43:15Bill Maher?

  Wow, that's very, yeah, no, I get it.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  So it's, it's like, it's a quick production. It's not a very long run. It's a, so imagine putting that, it's intense. It's a lot of stuff like.

• 43:25Bill Maher?

  And are you actually sleeping in tents?

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Uh, not tents, but like, what, what, like a barricade would be for, you'll, like in, in.

• 43:32Bill Maher?

  A barricade, a barrack?

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Barrack, sorry, not barricade. Like barracks would be, uh, forgive me, I have forty minutes left.

• 43:39Bill Maher?

  And, and what about the food? Are they provided?

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Uh, they provide it, yeah. It's, it's very, I mean, look, there's so much you can fit into production. Imagine if we had to actually do slop lineup and then actually cook. So they, they, they cater it. We serve it, you know, it's interesting concept.

• 43:54Bill Maher?

  There but for the grace of the God I don't believe in go I, because like, the things people do for fame. Like, I, I love being on TV, only because I love the actual job I'm doing. But I don't need it. And like, if it ended tomorrow, I, I mean, I'm not gonna.

• 44:12Speaker 04

  You wouldn't be mad like.

• 44:13Bill Maher?

  I'm not gonna like fuck a scorpion or something. The crazy shit people do just to stay in the public eye.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:21Bill Maher?

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• 45:05Bill Maher?

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• 45:43Speaker 04

  I look at it this way, for me, it was more for the experience, cause I think there's a thing about when you're come, when you're trying to overcome the amount of odds I created for myself. There's a, people wanna see a little bit of you being humbled and broken down and I thought.

• 45:59Bill Maher?

  A little, there, there are a bunch of bitches who wanna see humbling twenty-four seven.

• 46:04Speaker 04

  True. I gave them as much as I could on the show and I'm very proud of what I put forward. Bill, if you look at the cast of people that were on the show, you couldn't, you could not create this lineup, even if you, in your wildest dreams, I mean.

• 46:18Bill Maher?

  Can you tell us that?

• 46:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that, oh, oh, my God.

• 46:21Bill Maher?

  Like who else is on?

• 46:22Speaker 04

  Candace Cameron Bro, like, like DJ Tanner from Full House. She's on there, Candace Cameron. Then you have Dave Charvet, Baywatch.

• 46:31Bill Maher?

  Baywatch.

• 46:31Speaker 04

  Oliver Hudson, great actor, right? You have Ruby Rose, controversy queen herself, right, with the recent Katy Perry stories. And then you have football players like LaShawn McCoy from the Eagles, the Phillies, retired football player, and, and Maxim, um, oh, my God.

• 46:50Bill Maher?

  It's like a virtual Woodstock of the D-list.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  It's insane. It's like, it's a hot, I think.

• 46:55Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Are you familiar with the Housewives of Beverly Hills?

• 46:58Bill Maher?

  Am I familiar?

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, Brandy.

• 47:01Bill Maher?

  Brandy.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  She, she, Galvin, she's on the show. It's like, you couldn't make this up.

• 47:07Bill Maher?

  No.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  It was.

• 47:08Bill Maher?

  I certainly couldn't, cause I don't know these people, so I couldn't make it up at all.

• 47:12Speaker 04

  So my point is, they're very different people, different walks of lives. And, uh, I, I, I thought it was great. I thought it gave us a great opportunity to showcase who we truly are outside of whatever the media says.

• 47:23Bill Maher?

  Well, you know what, George Santos, I need a new guilty pleasure show.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  Please watch.

• 47:28Bill Maher?

  And I'm gonna make this the one. But, okay, so where are you gonna morph into after this? So like, this'll introduce you to the world of survivalists.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, it's definitely not what I, I, I don't see myself becoming a perpetual perennial contestant on reality shows. Uh, I will do the ones I find.

• 47:46Bill Maher?

  I do.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  I, I, you see, I think that's the easy way to do it. I don't like easy things. I mean, so I, I'm gonna try to develop something else.

• 47:57Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  We have a few projects on fires, and you know how this is, you'll have like ten hot fires, uh, irons on the fire, one will sell, so.

• 48:04Bill Maher?

  Lying is kind of the easy thing.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Eh.

• 48:09Bill Maher?

  Come on, we all do, like I said, we all do it.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  I guess, no, you're right.

• 48:13Bill Maher?

  You know, but look, you're.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  But it can't define my entire thirty-eight years.

• 48:17Bill Maher?

  No, you know what else I learned? I, I, you look younger in person. I didn't know you were thirty-eight. I wouldn't have actually guessed. I thought it was older.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I got elected at thirty-four.

• 48:29Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I, but I would have guessed a little, I mean, I saw you in that fleece, uh, thing with the sport coat. It just, you know, it kinda had an older look.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  It's just like where I'm from, that's kinda what we do. Long Islanders, we kinda do the whole quarter zip with the jacket over. It's a thing.

• 48:45Bill Maher?

  It was a little Palm Springs after the Tonys, you know?

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Could be, could be. Weaken that Bernie's.

• 48:52Bill Maher?

  The Break, The Breakers, you know.

• 48:54Speaker 04

  Barry the Breaker. I spent a week a year at The Breaker, so maybe that rubbed off on me.

• 48:59Bill Maher?

  You spent a year?

• 49:00Speaker 04

  I spent a week a year at The Breaker.

• 49:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, The Breakers, which is the.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Palm Beach.

• 49:03Bill Maher?

  The big hotel in Palm Beach.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's so nice.

• 49:05Bill Maher?

  I stayed there once. They were snobby as fuck. They did not make me like them.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  I love them.

• 49:11Bill Maher?

  Uh, good. Then tell them, they should have been nicer.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  You know what it is? It's not me that likes it. It's my husband who likes it, so I do it for him, cause he puts up with all my bullshit. So I, that's our splurge once a year.

• 49:22Bill Maher?

  Every fucking married person says the same thing. They put up with my bullshit.

• 49:27Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 49:28Bill Maher?

  I, I, I, again, I never got married. I'm actually gayer than you in all this way.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  You've engaged in gay relationships more often than I did when I was getting married, right?

• 49:38Bill Maher?

  To never get married is much more of a traditionally gay thing.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  It is, yeah.

• 49:41Bill Maher?

  It is. I'm actually in a way gayer than you.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  I, my lawyer says that, so there's a joke, he's been married four times, but one of them was a gay marriage, cause he never got married. Just lived together.

• 49:53Speaker 04

  Joe, we always make fun of him with that.

• 49:56Bill Maher?

  Oh, I forgot what I was gonna tell you about that.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  I'm sorry.

• 49:59Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  About putting up with the other partner?

• 50:01Bill Maher?

  Yes, thank you. Yes, I, every married couple says, uh, they put up with my bullshit. And it just never computes with me. It's like, if there's even this element of, I'm putting up with a lot of bullshit with this person. Why you want, and then they go into some song and dance about, oh, but the great parts. And then, what are the great parts? And it's just like, it just always seems outweighed by the.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  When I say bullshit, um, I, here's what I come up with, okay? He never wanted spotlight. Matter of fact, I did a great job in horse trading with the media. A lot of people ask me, how did you get your husband to not be sucked in?

• 50:41Bill Maher?

  Do they interview him too?

• 50:42Speaker 04

  They tried.

• 50:44Bill Maher?

  Okay, because I didn't even know you had a husband.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, so.

• 50:47Bill Maher?

  So I think he stayed out of the spotlight pretty well.

• 50:49Speaker 04

  Well, no, I, I horse traded. Every time they would say, oh, we're gonna go after Matt, I would give them a scoop.

• 50:55Bill Maher?

  Wow, now that's noble.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I would, I would fall, I fell on several swords to keep my husband out of it, because he didn't seek this shit, I did.

• 51:04Bill Maher?

  Noble, honest George Santos.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  I don't know about noble, but I, I, I, I think it's fair to not drag your partner into your mess. I think that was a fair thing.

• 51:13Bill Maher?

  That's very noble. It is noble. It is noble.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  I threw so, I threw myself on a couple of swords to keep his world somewhat intact.

• 51:20Bill Maher?

  That is not something everyone would do or does do.

• 51:23Speaker 04

  Well, he deserved it, and I stand by it. And he stood by me through my worst load.

• 51:27Bill Maher?

  People do crazily selfish things. I mean, people will like, you know, give a kidney. And then as soon as you're better, the, the guy will leave you. You know, like, they're just crazy selfish things people do. So it's always noticeable.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  Look, I, I'm gonna say this to you, Bill. For me, the entire existence of being called a liar i- is a struggle. Because if you talk to anybody who's known me prior to me running for office, I had a reputation of being blunt, rude, honest, to a point where I would offend you. Like, these were things that people knew, like, people would say, like, oh, I can't with George. He just thinks he has to tell us what he's feeling at all times, no matter what the consequences are, right? And that pissed people off, often. So to, to then evolve to the big liar, I have friends who are like, I still can't get past the, like, the big, okay, so you told a couple of lies. But if people really knew who you were, and I'm not saying this to gain favor, I'm just telling you, interactions I have. Like Debbie, who is, you know, she, she's my assistant nowadays.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  She's my executive assistant. She runs my whole life. Shout out to Debbie. Uh, she's been friends with me prior to that for 15 years. She was the one who's like, why did you lie? What is, why? You could have done the rags to riches, which would have been much better. I said I needed to have sports in you and those for the fucking chairman, and then everything went off the rafters. She's like.

• 52:49Bill Maher?

  Oh, so that was like the McGuffin that started the whole thing?

• 52:52Speaker 04

  It started with that, and then it just kept, it evolved.

• 52:56Bill Maher?

  I for one think you're a, a formed man, and I'm gonna stick up for you, but I got one question. George, when I came in, I was wearing a watch.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  Where did your watch go? You just, stop. I saw your watch. No, that's bullshit. That's funny. What is it? Is it a Daytona?

• 53:18Bill Maher?

  It's a Rolex, bitch.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  It's a Rolex Daytona? Is that what that is?

• 53:22Bill Maher?

  I don't know, I didn't know the watch.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  I didn't wear a Rolex for you. I wore an Omega, you see? I'm a, I'm a man of the people.

• 53:30Bill Maher?

  Well, you know what? I hate to tell you, but it, your road may lead back to politics.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  I don't want to.

• 53:36Bill Maher?

  I, I, yeah, I don't blame.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  No, no, whole, wholeheartedly, if I run, if I go back into politics, there's a stipulation that my husband says he will divorce me. And I love him too much to do it.

• 53:48Bill Maher?

  But I feel like you're almost the perfect guy for the post-literal age that we live in. Like, you represent a large portion of America.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  Liars. Come on. No, I'm kidding. That's not fair.

• 54:03Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying, maybe I had it backwards. Maybe politics, actually, you can, I mean, you just look at what goes on and what they say, and, I mean, you, you defended Trump for not being a liar. Just, it's so casual. I don't even, it doesn't, most of it didn't even bother me. I just accept it. Like, when he says, not on big things, but like, he was at his midterm convention in Dallas last week, you saw that, I'm sure. And he said, uh, you know, the place is packed, you could see it wasn't. There are people waiting outside to get in. There was no one outside, you know? I mean, when you can catch someone in real time, so obviously, it's just like,

• 54:45Bill Maher?

  well, we're obviously living in an age where enough people just don't care. They just don't care.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  Well, the, the same thing can be said on both sides. Look.

• 54:54Bill Maher?

  True, I'm not saying that either. It can on both sides. Yes.

• 54:59Speaker 04

  Bill, if, if you, if I, permission to give you my candid and very crass approach?

• 55:05Bill Maher?

  I think we're pretty good friends by now.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  They're all full of absolute shit. It is, do you know, former United States Secretary of the Interior Congressman, Ryan Zinke from Montana, one of the first things he said to me was literally like, George, you see all this? It's all theater. Just remember this, you have one of the best seats in the country. And, you know, Ryan Zinke was somebody I looked up to as like a, a statesman.

• 55:36Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  And when he said that to me, I'm like in the middle of scandal, doing, I was just like, excuse me, what are we doing?

• 55:45Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Like, what? And I witnessed it, vote after vote. Bill, if I tell you, I was forced, because you have to vote, you gotta pick a side on an issue, right? Yes, no. Present is essentially flushing your vote down the toilet, so you pick a side, right? The less of the two evils. If I tell you the amount of times that the votes were just bullshit, messaging bills.

• 56:06Bill Maher?

  That's what John Fetterman says. They, they always.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  All fucking Kabuki theater.

• 56:11Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  And at the end of the day, it ends in pizza. You know what that means?

• 56:16Bill Maher?

  They, you order pizza?

• 56:17Speaker 04

  Pretty much.

• 56:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 56:18Speaker 04

  And nobody cares. Because they will end whatever their mishegast is on the floor, go and do their backroom deals, and the Jeffries and Johnson, or Jeffries McCarthy, whichever iteration. Pelosi and whoever, they get together, they're like, they smoke cigars, drink Scotch, or whatever the fuck it is that they, they, they enjoy. And then they ram it down the conference and the caucus's throat and says, this is what we're doing. And like, we're sheep. We go there, yes, this is what leadership told us to do. Every now and then you'll get a rogue. I happen to be one of those rogues, who would kinda go against the grain. Oh, the scolding. I will never forget.

• 56:57Bill Maher?

  Now, that all brings, like, utter truth to me. And it is exactly what John Fetterman says, because.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  I love John Fetterman, by the way.

• 57:04Bill Maher?

  I do too. I do too.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  I have told the GOP, I will vote for John Fetterman, I don't care in which party he is.

• 57:10Bill Maher?

  I don't want him to join the GOP.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  Which party, whatever party it is, I'm voting for John Fetterman in Pennsylvania.

• 57:15Bill Maher?

  But he, they always get on him for not, he, he misses all these votes, and he says, you know what? Your votes are bullshit. It's all the thing you were just talking about, and I'm just not gonna play your stupid game. And like, waste my time.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  It's a waste of time.

• 57:28Bill Maher?

  It is a waste of time. It's a.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  It's a waste of an outfit. I would get so frustrated, because I curated all my looks.

• 57:34Bill Maher?

  You play, play, so annoying. Plainly, the legislative branch, our, our system obviously is designed, brilliantly designed, so that power is in three different quarters, well, not quarters, thirds. So that nobody can get too powerful. Well, it's so out of whack, because the legislative branch just has abdicated the whole thing.

• 57:58Speaker 04

  It's literally put its legs in the airs, and you're just rimming it. Whatever you want, you get out of them. They have no teeth. It's like a bad porn actor who doesn't know when to say when. Like, literally, it's, it's, it's that bad. They've been raped time and time again, either by the judiciary or the fucking executives.

• 58:17Bill Maher?

  When, when does a porn actor say when?

• 58:19Speaker 04

  That's a great, I don't know why I said that analogy either.

• 58:22Bill Maher?

  I don't know what that means. Doesn't the director say?

• 58:25Speaker 04

  I, I guess, I don't know. I thought that was, I don't know, that, that's one of those improv moments where you just say something dumb.

• 58:30Bill Maher?

  I would like to be on a porn set and watch.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  You should.

• 58:32Bill Maher?

  I shouldn't, but.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  You should, why not? If you want to.

• 58:35Bill Maher?

  I would just like to see how they're, how the director, you know, like, okay, you know.

• 58:40Speaker 04

  I believe it's a very, I believe it's a very matter of fact industry.

• 58:44Bill Maher?

  I do too.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  That's what I think in my head. It has to be.

• 58:47Bill Maher?

  I do. I think, now lick his balls for two, you know, and then turn.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  All right, switch, cut, next scene. The problem is, I wanna know.

• 58:55Speaker 04

  No, my question is, is like, what do they do to be able to perform? Like, I, I'm sorry, as a man, I'm telling you this. I can't perform if, like, the window curtain isn't, oh, is, is open. I'm like, no, close the window, I can't do this.

• 59:08Bill Maher?

  The people who should actually get all the credit in the world in the porn industry are the ones who did it before Viagra. These guys, the Ron Jeremys, excuse me. I think he's in trouble with the law, but, I mean, like, he had to get a real erection.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 59:25Bill Maher?

  Now, they just take pills.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  Is that what it is?

• 59:27Bill Maher?

  What, you're a gay man and you're asking me about Viagra?

• 59:31Speaker 04

  I don't take Viagra, I'm thirty eight, I don't have that issue.

• 59:33Bill Maher?

  Well, good, a lot of guys that age do.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  Really?

• 59:36Bill Maher?

  Are you kidding?

• 59:36Speaker 04

  I, I don't, you, you know what? I don't think that my friends who probably have ED are gonna be like, hey, George, I have ED and I'm Vicky Cialis or whatever.

• 59:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I, I, I, I agree, I don't know, but, you know, I mean.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  That's funny, that's interesting.

• 59:49Bill Maher?

  Definitely is.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  I think porn is the reason, though, for a lot of ED, if that's the case.

• 59:56Bill Maher?

  Um.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  There's an addiction element to it and an expectation issue. So, I avoid porn personally in my life because I think porn creates a delusion of expectation of what sex is. And it creates this, this, uh, I will never be able to do, I, buddy, I'm not gonna put my head, my foot on nobody's neck and fuck them as I do that, so.

• 1:00:17Bill Maher?

  Is that what people do?

• 1:00:18Speaker 04

  I mean, that's what they, porn is really theatrical.

• 1:00:21Bill Maher?

  How, you, how could you possibly have your foot on their neck and also?

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  Well, that, that, trust me, there's fucked up shit that goes on in porn.

• 1:00:29Bill Maher?

  It's like.

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  So that's why I don't consume it because it's just, at a younger age, I think every young man kind of gets through the porn phase and then you readily, like, fast, like, yeah, this is not real life, and then you move on to like, alright, let me go figure out how sex is done, and it's just not a healthy environment.

• 1:00:46Bill Maher?

  It possibly isn't, but I'm still a young man, so I'm not giving up. And I don't, I don't understand.

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  Who's your favorite porn actress?

• 1:00:53Bill Maher?

  I don't, I don't understand why you can't have both.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Well, who's your favorite porn actress?

• 1:00:57Bill Maher?

  Uh, well, I, I, I don't, I don't get their names. It's, it's not a name thing, I don't, I don't write to them, it's not like, what I don't, what I really don't understand is younger men, and there are by the millions, who are on OnlyFans or anything else where they must know in a part of their brain that, uh, uh, somehow processes some sort of logic and factual material, they must know that maybe they're not even talking to this real girl, and even if they are, she's doing this with, like, thousands of other guys, and how is this possibly special to you, or convince yourself that this is some sort of a girlfriend, and wouldn't your time better be wasted instead of tipping someone o- o- over a texting situation, like, like, to actually?

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  Well, how about hire your local escort?

• 1:01:44Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  Support local business.

• 1:01:46Bill Maher?

  At, at least that's a human being.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:01:48Bill Maher?

  You know, you'd be good at, and then I think, and it's not, uh, uh, uh, come down at all. It's, it's really a great show with the great history, Hollywood Squares. That's what you, I think, you'd be the great.

• 1:02:01Speaker 04

  So, yeah, make the call.

• 1:02:02Bill Maher?

  They love.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  I'll give you my ten percent agent, babe, make the call.

• 1:02:08Bill Maher?

  They love a good gay center square.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 1:02:11Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  I wanna be the next Joan Rivers, if you ask me what I wanna do. I wanna be an absolute asshole with a carte blanche, uh, uh, ability to just, to.

• 1:02:20Bill Maher?

  That's, you're right, that's great, yes.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  I wrote the sassiest Met Gala article for the Daily Mail this year. It had such traction. It, I mean, culture went nuts over it, I mean, the amount of people who wrote about my article for the Daily Mail, and the Daily Mail took a big risk in, in platforming it, and it was a home run, cuz I, again, I've been doing this thing on social media, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but every year, I criticize the looks of all the desperate bitches on the White House Correspondents' Gala.

• 1:02:54Bill Maher?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:54Speaker 04

  I've been doing it since twenty twenty-two, and it's just gotten more and more viral throughout the years. I mean, some of these bitches blocked me on Twitter because they don't wanna even see, Sonny Houston, one of them, doesn't wanna see what I have to say about their outfits. And I really enjoy that, cuz I grew up in the day and age and era of fashion police with Joan Rivers.

• 1:03:15Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah, your situation is.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  And it's fun, little dress banter.

• 1:03:22Bill Maher?

  Your situation is completely irreparable, I believe.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  I appreciate that.

• 1:03:26Bill Maher?

  No, because.

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  Generally, cuz I know you were a bullshit man.

• 1:03:29Bill Maher?

  You didn't like, I would not, uh, yeah, because, I think you didn't kill anybody, right?

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:03:34Bill Maher?

  That we know of.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  No, I didn't, I'm not.

• 1:03:37Bill Maher?

  And, I mean, if you, if you're like, you know, again, my watch is.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Your watch is there, stop.

• 1:03:44Bill Maher?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  Stop it.

• 1:03:45Bill Maher?

  Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  That's not gonna stick, I don't have sticky fingers.

• 1:03:51Bill Maher?

  But, um.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  I have a very creative imagination, not sticky fingers.

• 1:03:54Bill Maher?

  Even if you, uh, you know, kind of grifted or embezzled or something from, there probably some rich fucks who had it coming. It wasn't like you took it out of the, the mouths of, uh, you know, starving orphans or anything, did you?

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  Uh, no, uh, look, I, I like to, I, this is something I like to square away, um, because there's a, and I'll, I'll strike a serious tone for a second. I don't wanna be serious, cuz this is not the environment.

• 1:04:19Bill Maher?

  I'm putting the joint down.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  There, there is this, uh, uh, perception out there that I committed aggravated identity theft, that I stole credit cards and I went on shopping sprees.

• 1:04:30Bill Maher?

  That, I heard that.

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  That's not true.

• 1:04:33Bill Maher?

  Another one we got to, let's hear this story.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  And I gave the facts.

• 1:04:36Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  I was accused of going to Hermes, Ferragamo, and Tiffany and Co. and spending all this money.

• 1:04:41Bill Maher?

  Good taste.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  Well, it, it's funny, though. Did you know that I bought twenty-two ties from Ferragamo, you know how they do little animals on their ties, Ferragamo?

• 1:04:52Bill Maher?

  Uh.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  They have those little birds, elephants, whatever, I bought.

• 1:04:56Bill Maher?

  I have this shirt with the lizard, what is that?

• 1:04:58Speaker 04

  Uh, that, that's what it costs, anyway, so, so Ferragamo makes these ties with little elephants, red and blue.

• 1:05:05Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  Yes, it's, it's, it's a very.

• 1:05:07Bill Maher?

  Ferragamo does this?

• 1:05:08Speaker 04

  Very, it's a, it's their thing.

• 1:05:10Bill Maher?

  It's so corny that it's hip, is that?

• 1:05:12Speaker 04

  It's hip, it's cute, it, it adds fun to.

• 1:05:15Bill Maher?

  It sounds awful, but okay.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  No, no, it's actually very tastefully done, it's, it, it adds, I guess.

• 1:05:20Bill Maher?

  Elephants, you said.

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  Elephants, to, dogs, cat, you name it, fish.

• 1:05:24Bill Maher?

  Animals.

• 1:05:24Speaker 04

  Whatever, it's animals in general print, and sometimes it's like, I don't know, balls, like, sports balls or like, football, soccer balls, tennis balls, but the point is, they had just had a collection, I'm a big Ferragamo client, I, I wear a lot of Ferragamo, it's my favorite brand, it's very aspirational, it, it fits in my budget, essentially, right? So, I buy for, so when you get elected to Congress, you have to now go lobby the steering committee, which is a group of like twenty-six, if I'm not mistaken, um, including the Speaker, who get to vote on where members serve, which committees. I going in, I was a superstar, I flipped the Biden plus ten seat, I won by eight.

• 1:06:03Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  I was a sixteen-point swing, I won by eight and a half points.

• 1:06:06Bill Maher?

  This is Suffolk County?

• 1:06:07Speaker 04

  Nassau County and Queens, so.

• 1:06:10Bill Maher?

  I grew up in the area, you know?

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:06:12Bill Maher?

  New Jersey, yeah.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't know that, so, I, I really thought you were from California.

• 1:06:16Bill Maher?

  Oh, no, no, no.

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't do my research, shame on me.

• 1:06:18Bill Maher?

  No, no, I went to school at Cornell, upstate New York. Lived in New York twice, so.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  What a shithole Cornell's turned out to be.

• 1:06:25Bill Maher?

  We're talking.

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  You wouldn't be allowed to take classes a couple of years ago if you were Jewish.

• 1:06:29Bill Maher?

  God.

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  So, anyway.

• 1:06:31Bill Maher?

  So awful.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  So, what we do is, we buy, we put together a packet. Here's why I should be in such and so committee, I wanted to be on Foreign Affairs and on Financial Services. Worked in, in, in finance adjacent sector for years in private equity, and I'm fluent in three languages outside of English. So I thought Foreign Affairs would be a perfect fit, and it's my passion, I enjoy Foreign Affairs, I enjoy, uh, international policy and, and all of that stuff, so.

• 1:06:57Bill Maher?

  You're a Brazilian.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  That, that was my in, right, so I lobbied for that. You create a package and you give a gift, it's a bribe, right, but it's a gift. I went to Ferragamo and I bought twenty-two ties for, for the men, right? You know, red elephant ties, GOP elephant, get the.

• 1:07:16Bill Maher?

  You really think?

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  On the nose.

• 1:07:17Bill Maher?

  You really think these fucking shit kickers are gonna appreciate Ferragamo?

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  Well, some of them did, because they're all used to getting these bribes.

• 1:07:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah, he's got a fucking donkey on the, on the tie, that's gonna look real good with my boots.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  So that was one, and then for the women, I went to Hermes and I bought, there was only two women in the, in the steering committee, Elise Stefanic and Kathy McMorris Rogers. I bought them, uh, a, a little, like, silk square, like, that they can tie around their neck with elephants.

• 1:07:46Bill Maher?

  Can't go wrong with a scarf, a scarf always works.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  You cannot, and I bought a ballpoint pen, red point, ballpoint pen from Tiffany for the women. So that's those purchases, they said I went on shopping spree splurges. I proved this to the, to the Ethics Committee and to the DOJ, but they insisted in saying that that was a misuse of campaign funds, that's covered. Uh, uh, at least for me, it wasn't, right? And I, I put out receipts, I showed the proof, some members actually went on the House floor and voted to fucking expel me, wearing the tie I gave them. Okay, that's the irony of the situation, so that's kind of, that's the embezzlement, that's the, the, the, the credit card that people say I stole money from my campaign. My crime that I wholeheartedly own up to is I straw donated to my campaign.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  I took money, gave to my campaign, and because I wanted to look more impressive, instead of showing the loan, because I had already loaned a shit ton of money to my campaign, I said, just put down my family members and a couple of friends, I sprinkled a few friends in there. That's fucking identity theft, you're not supposed to do that, that's my crime bill, that's, that's literally the crux of the crime.

• 1:08:52Bill Maher?

  And have other people done that?

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Yes, nobody's ever been federally indicted, it's resolved usually with the FEC, the Federal Elections Commission.

• 1:09:00Bill Maher?

  Oh, is that right?

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  And it's a big fine and, you know, shame on you, I went to prison for seven and a half year sentence, which was wild.

• 1:09:08Bill Maher?

  What was prison like?

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  Awful. And, and, when they, when people tell you, oh.

• 1:09:13Bill Maher?

  Just not having your freedom.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  It's a country club, it's a camp, first of all, I was in prison.

• 1:09:18Bill Maher?

  No, prison is not a country club, even the best.

• 1:09:21Speaker 04

  They said it's a rundown country club, I mean, like, not even the, and I've been to rundown country clubs, that's all I could afford, so I can tell you it's not.

• 1:09:29Bill Maher?

  Was it, I hope it wasn't violent?

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  No, not at all, I, I, I, I will say this, it wasn't violent, it was violently mismanaged by a cunt warden.

• 1:09:37Bill Maher?

  Did you meet anyone?

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  No, I was, I wasn't there long enough for that.

• 1:09:41Bill Maher?

  I'm just kidding.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  My husband visited me every weekend, okay, like.

• 1:09:43Bill Maher?

  Do you get, do you get?

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  No, you don't get, you don't get conjugal visits in federal prison.

• 1:09:47Bill Maher?

  Do the heterosexuals?

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  No, not even, not in federal.

• 1:09:50Bill Maher?

  But if they have conjugal, did the gay get it too?

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, everybody, so long as they're married, I guess, that's the rule, um, the, my prison experience was very bad. Uh, I was there for twenty-three days and then the warden put me in solitary confinement under.

• 1:10:06Bill Maher?

  What'd you do?

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  I did nothing, it was under the predicate of my safety.

• 1:10:08Bill Maher?

  You starting fights in the yard?

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  No, God, I was in the kitchen, I was cooking.

• 1:10:12Bill Maher?

  They were fighting over you, that's it.

• 1:10:14Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  And they've never seen milkshake like mine in prison. Oh my god, what am I saying? I think I'm contact high already, Jesus Christ.

• 1:10:28Bill Maher?

  No, this is the exact kind of thing you should be doing.

• 1:10:30Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:10:31Bill Maher?

  Really, you're good at this. Actually, I don't think there's any bullshit that happened today.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Well, I, I, I have no reason to.

• 1:10:38Bill Maher?

  Everything you told me, I, I, it just, like, I can tell, I can tell when someone's lying.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  I have no reason to lie.

• 1:10:45Bill Maher?

  Right, you got it all out of your system.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  For a lifetime, I hope. I think the only lies I'm gonna reserve now are for my kids.

• 1:10:54Bill Maher?

  Your campaign slogan, "I'm due for the truth."

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  I would run on that one, like, "It's time for the truth," that's my campaign slogan. You know what's funny? I told, I told my sister this, I'm like, "I'm gonna reserve all the lying I have left in my life for my kids when we're, when, when I'm in a store, we'll buy it later."

• 1:11:15Bill Maher?

  You, you have kids?

• 1:11:16Speaker 04

  We're, we're in the process of, uh...

• 1:11:19Bill Maher?

  You can't, uh, process? You know you can't get pregnant.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  Surrogacy, surrogacy, yeah.

• 1:11:22Bill Maher?

  Sure, no, I knew that.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  Sure you did.

• 1:11:26Bill Maher?

  Well, nowadays, they talk about pregnant men.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  Oh, stop, no, that's mental illness.

• 1:11:30Bill Maher?

  Right, that is. See, this is, I mean, and look, it's good that the Republican Party would have somebody who is gay and can make this case, the way Andrew Sullivan does, who is center-right slightly, but, you know, is...

• 1:11:43Speaker 04

  Barely center-right.

• 1:11:44Bill Maher?

  Barely center-right.

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  I, I say, I think Andrew's more center.

• 1:11:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I, well, he's, he's, you know, we don't agree on Israel, but everything else, I think he's just so brilliant, and...

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  It's, it's, wouldn't Israel become a wedge issue? It's so crazy.

• 1:12:00Bill Maher?

  I can't even, I mean...

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  I lose my mind, I mean, look, you're talking to the guy who lost his mind. Do you remember my, like, meltdown in the halls of Congress over the guy who, when I was holding a staffer's baby and accosting me?

• 1:12:11Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  And I melted, like, I don't understand, what, what's controversial about defending herself?

• 1:12:17Bill Maher?

  Michael Jackson once came out of the...

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  And held his baby over a balcony.

• 1:12:21Bill Maher?

  In Berlin.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  I remember that.

• 1:12:23Bill Maher?

  Remember that?

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  I remember that. Was that Shiloh or was that Paris? I don't know.

• 1:12:27Bill Maher?

  Berlin.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, which, which kid was it? Was it Shiloh or Paris?

• 1:12:30Bill Maher?

  I, I...

• 1:12:31Speaker 04

  Oh, no, blanket, sorry.

• 1:12:32Bill Maher?

  I, I don't know.

• 1:12:33Speaker 04

  It was wild.

• 1:12:34Bill Maher?

  But, but he dangled the baby over the, uh...

• 1:12:39Speaker 04

  With his frail grip, because it could have slipped, he was so frail.

• 1:12:42Bill Maher?

  No, I mean, thank God they never got him anything else with kids. I don't know, that was his one...

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:12:50Bill Maher?

  Dark mark with him and children, other than that, perfect record. No, it is amazing.

• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  I don't think he was guilty of sexually molesting kids, I really don't.

• 1:13:01Bill Maher?

  Seriously, again, at this age, I can tell who's a liar. These kids are not, these men now are not lying.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  I've, based on everything that I've consumed, I kinda buy into that it was a money grab. I really do, I did buy into that. You, you were an adult as this was unfolding, so you probably had a better...

• 1:13:23Bill Maher?

  It's, come on, man.

• 1:13:24Speaker 04

  Did you watch the movie, Michael?

• 1:13:25Bill Maher?

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  His nephew looks just like him in it, it's crazy.

• 1:13:29Bill Maher?

  I blame Joe for everything. I blame Joe for everything.

• 1:13:32Speaker 04

  Oh, Joe is a monster. They depicted him too nice in this movie.

• 1:13:35Bill Maher?

  I mean, everything at all, AI, I blame him for global warming. I mean, not just Michael, I mean, this guy was like, he was like the...

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  Like Lex Luthor?

• 1:13:46Bill Maher?

  Exactly, like, that is who the Spider-Man, whoever should go up against, is my, is Joe Jackson. He just, and the real Joe Jackson, even worse than the brilliant performance by Coleman Domingo, right?

• 1:14:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Bill Maher?

  I mean, but the real one, even, even worse, even creepier.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Coleman Domingo did a great job.

• 1:14:06Bill Maher?

  Yeah, he did.

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  Amazing. He was a better, uh, Joe Jackson than the one from the original Jackson 5 movie.

• 1:14:12Bill Maher?

  What's the original?

• 1:14:13Speaker 04

  The, the, the first movie that they did about Michael Jackson's life, what's the name of the, uh, the actor who plays his father?

• 1:14:18Bill Maher?

  I don't remember.

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  Like, in the, in the, in the 90s, they did a Jackson 5 movie?

• 1:14:22Bill Maher?

  They did?

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  They did. I can't remember the name of the dad in that movie.

• 1:14:26Bill Maher?

  But that was before the, uh, unpleasantness, shall we say?

• 1:14:29Speaker 04

  Yes, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:31Bill Maher?

  And I noticed this movie stops just before the accusations.

• 1:14:35Speaker 04

  Well, I think there's a part two that they have to, that, that movie leaves in a cliff, cliffhanger, right?

• 1:14:39Bill Maher?

  No one wants to see part two. No one wants to see part...

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  I do.

• 1:14:42Bill Maher?

  You, yeah...

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  I wa, I wanna see how they depict it. I wanna see how the family estate depicts it.

• 1:14:47Bill Maher?

  Well...

• 1:14:48Speaker 04

  Notice how they also left Janet Jackson out of this movie.

• 1:14:51Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 1:14:52Speaker 04

  I don't know, I'm just saying, she's not in this movie.

• 1:14:54Bill Maher?

  She is not?

• 1:14:55Speaker 04

  No, Latoya is, they don't talk about, Janet doesn't exist in this new movie.

• 1:14:58Bill Maher?

  I, I got a great idea for you.

• 1:15:02Bill Maher?

  You should do a show, like, uh, you know the Fox show, The Five?

• 1:15:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:08Bill Maher?

  Or The View?

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  I love The Five.

• 1:15:10Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  Love The Five, love The View, I think that the format is...

• 1:15:13Bill Maher?

  Love The View too.

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  I do, because I think...

• 1:15:14Bill Maher?

  You love them both.

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  I think the format, I, I haven't been on either, but, well, The Five doesn't do guests, and, and The View, the opportunity to go on was not the right timing, when they insistently asked me, and then Whoopi Goldberg said that, that was a lie, and then I had to go post all the emails online and say, like, "You're lying." I, I received, I think, uh, seven or eight very insistent emails trying to book me on The View. It wasn't the right time, but I love the format, because it gives dialogue, debate, and that's what I love. I think, we don't all have to agree, Bill, I would be bored out of my mind and put a bullet in my head if everybody became symbiotic and agreed on everything. Life would be so fucking boring, I'd probably be drunk half of the time, just so I can, like, forget that it was so perfect.

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  So, I, I like debate, the expression of thought, and, and, and having a conversation like this, where we don't have to agree. I, I was in an airplane today, Billy Porter was in the plane, the actor.

• 1:16:10Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  I am a big fucking fan.

• 1:16:13Bill Maher?

  What was this, Air Gay?

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  Delta Airlines is as close as Air Gay as it gets. I think all the gays love Delta for some reason. There's this allure that it's apparently the best airline, best in class. My fucking first-class seat didn't, the seat didn't recline properly, the wifi was out.

• 1:16:33Bill Maher?

  I, I, I, I'll let you, I'll let you finish this story, but I, I gotta tell you, like, before you came here, like, I heard all these things, including, like, he says he's gay, and I was like, I don't know if, yeah, I think he just said it, because that was like what would work in the election, they'll get the Democrats to vote for him. And now that I meet you, it's like...

• 1:16:54Bill Maher?

  Charles Nelson Riley, which I mean is a compliment.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  Warhol is straight close to me, right?

• 1:17:02Bill Maher?

  Not just gay, but like, really good for show business gay.

• 1:17:05Speaker 04

  I appreciate it, better than Andy Cohen. You should say yes, please say yes. Say better than Andy Cohen.

• 1:17:11Bill Maher?

  I like Andy.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  No, but say better than Andy Cohen, just so it can piss him off.

• 1:17:15Bill Maher?

  I don't wanna piss Andy Cohen.

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  He hates me.

• 1:17:17Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:17:18Speaker 04

  Oh, he hates...

• 1:17:19Bill Maher?

  Well, then I hate that.

• 1:17:20Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:17:20Bill Maher?

  But you should do a show with, uh, Ann Coulter, and...

• 1:17:24Speaker 04

  I would put a bullet in my head.

• 1:17:26Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  I find her to be the most miserable curmudgeon on television.

• 1:17:30Bill Maher?

  You'd like her if you actually...

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  She hates me, because she's friends with a kid called Ryan Gruduski. She's obsessed with him, hates all the other gays. So, you can, she can only have one gay at a time in her life.

• 1:17:39Bill Maher?

  She's probable. Anyway, uh, so like, you do a show like The Five, with like, the most like, uh, outcast people.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Ann Coulter? That'd be funny.

• 1:17:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but, but not, but people who are, who are, they're outcast, but Ann Coulter, I mean, she does say some things that are like, out there, from my way of thinking.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  She's very intelligent, very intelligent.

• 1:18:04Bill Maher?

  And very often, she literally, like, uh, you know, she just is...

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  You know, I am stealing this club, I don't care what you say.

• 1:18:12Bill Maher?

  Yeah, absolutely, you should.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  Call the cops on me, club random, I'm gonna drink out of my scotch out of this.

• 1:18:16Bill Maher?

  I want you to have it. Um, but like, a, a show like The Five, but gayer, you know, like, just the, the real raw sort of, I mean, it's not, that's not what The View's doing, The View is like, super woke, like, like, stultifying.

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  And The Five is a little stiff.

• 1:18:34Bill Maher?

  Five is a little stiff, it's corporate, it's, there, there could be a show like that, it would be huge. It would be huge, and it would just be like, do this, you know, a lot of laughing, a lot of just like, this is what I really think, and I don't care who knows it, people who have nothing to lose, because they've already been canceled within an inch of their life.

• 1:18:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54Bill Maher?

  That, that is a freedom.

• 1:18:57Speaker 04

  I say that I have a freedom that most wish they had. I have no secrets left, Bill.

• 1:19:03Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  Nothing left to hide, so I can really operate in transparency at all times without the fear of, I mean, the worst things that could have ever come out about my life came out. I mean, I did Carnival at the age of 18 in Brazil, dressed in drag, and all of a sudden, people gave me a career as a drag queen. So I'm just like, and that's pretty embarrassing as a Republican, and I'm not embarrassed, but I had fun. I was 18 years old. As I said to TMZ, sue me, I was fun and had, I was young and had fun at a festival at LaGuardia Airport when they pressed me on it. But back to my thing, I'm in the airplane, Billy Porter is like three or four seats behind me. I'm a massive fan of American Horror Story, and he is so great in American Horror Story.

• 1:19:44Bill Maher?

  Right, sure.

• 1:19:44Speaker 04

  Uh, him, Angela Bassett, these are like people I really look up to. I'm a fan, right?

• 1:19:49Bill Maher?

  Love her.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  Angela Bassett's my favorite actress.

• 1:19:51Bill Maher?

  I love her.

• 1:19:52Speaker 04

  When people ask me, who's your favorite actress? Angela Bassett. Top of the lot. I, I don't care. There's no one that, maybe Angelina Jolie second, whatever, but.

• 1:20:00Bill Maher?

  Angelina Jolie?

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  I love her.

• 1:20:02Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  I love her. I think she's so, and her dad's so great to me. I love her dad. He's, he's, he's a great man. I know that there's issues there.

• 1:20:10Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 1:20:13Bill Maher?

  Oh, Jon Voight, you mean?

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  Jon Voight, yeah, I, I absolutely love him. He's such a good guy.

• 1:20:17Bill Maher?

  I mean, he's not my politics exactly, but, uh, you know,

• 1:20:21Speaker 04

  Very pragmatic.

• 1:20:22Bill Maher?

  I'd love to talk to him. I mean,

• 1:20:23Speaker 04

  You should.

• 1:20:24Bill Maher?

  I'd like to. We've invited him. I want him.

• 1:20:26Speaker 04

  He's super fun. I mean, I've been in his presence a couple of times.

• 1:20:29Bill Maher?

  Tell him, tell him to come here.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  I'm not friends with him, but if I have an in, I'll try my best. Um, but my point is, I wanted to approach Billy, like, I genuinely wanted to approach Billy. I'm like, I'm a fan. I, I want to say hi. I love your work. But our difference in politics is so stark that I'm afraid, and then I think I could be wrong, right? But we cross paths in the, like, going to the bathroom and coming back. He hissed at me. Like, and, and he has this thing about where he does like, like, like, and I'm like, did he hiss at me or did he smile at me? And I don't know. And I'm just like, this was an interesting interaction.

• 1:21:07Bill Maher?

  Maybe it was a flirtatious hiss.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  Uh, no, I know. Not coming from him for me. No, thank you. I, I know it's not.

• 1:21:13Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  So, I mean, and, and that's what saddens me, that we've become so divided a society that we can't have conversations with people who politically disagree with us, but we can have conversations galore on A to fucking Z, and we pick P for politics every time. There's like 26 letters in the alphabet, and we pick one every time.

• 1:21:33Bill Maher?

  Here's what we do. First of all, we've got to, everybody, not just you and I, we all have to like work on this project of making this ostracism that the left engages in uncool.

• 1:21:46Speaker 04

  It is uncool.

• 1:21:47Bill Maher?

  It is uncool. It's super uncool. It's super intolerant. It's super everything they think they hate and they're supposed to hate.

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  Canceling, cancel culture is uncool.

• 1:21:56Bill Maher?

  It's so Mean Girls, you can't sit in my.

• 1:21:58Speaker 04

  Oh, no, don't, don't compare it to Mean Girls, because Mean Girls is so great.

• 1:22:00Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:22:01Speaker 04

  Everybody has a bird book. I have a bird book.

• 1:22:03Bill Maher?

  So.

• 1:22:04Speaker 04

  The cover of my bird book is Kevin McCarthy.

• 1:22:07Bill Maher?

  But, George, no, you're not gonna,

• 1:22:09Speaker 04

  I'm kidding, there's no such thing.

• 1:22:10Bill Maher?

  You're not gonna like this part, but.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  Please tell me.

• 1:22:12Bill Maher?

  All right, all right. We gotta get you a trainer. We're gonna, we're gonna fucking give you a makeover, because you're a nice looking guy.

• 1:22:18Speaker 04

  Let's go. I gotta lose weight. I'm so fat.

• 1:22:20Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 1:22:21Speaker 04

  I'm so fat. I called Terry the Bro and I said, I need to transform myself.

• 1:22:25Bill Maher?

  You know who you are?

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  Tell me.

• 1:22:26Bill Maher?

  You're Chris Pratt. He was like this schlubby guy, but you could see underneath, you could see underneath, he's got, he could be a handsome.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  If I look hot like Chris Pratt after a transformation, I'll just go fuck myself, literally.

• 1:22:40Bill Maher?

  Well, that, that's not part of my plan, but, okay, you, you get all buffed up and chiseled. You're a nice looking guy. You can pull this off.

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  Oh, let's do it.

• 1:22:51Bill Maher?

  And then, and then these fucking hypocrites who are shunning you because of your politics, suddenly find a way to forgive you for it. I guarantee that'll happen.

• 1:23:00Speaker 04

  Isn't that the same thing with Chris Pratt and Matt Damon? Because they're, aren't they somewhat conservative or viewed as conservative in media? And they have a little shit, but they still do great work. Why? Because they're fuckable. If you're fuckable and you're conservative, conservative, they still might give you a chance.

• 1:23:14Bill Maher?

  I don't think he's a conservative. He's married to a Kennedy.

• 1:23:16Speaker 04

  Who?

• 1:23:17Bill Maher?

  Chris Pratt.

• 1:23:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he was married to, what's her name? Uh, the comedian?

• 1:23:21Bill Maher?

  Yeah, she's fantastic. She's in the,

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  Anna Faris.

• 1:23:25Bill Maher?

  Anna Faris, yeah.

• 1:23:25Speaker 04

  I think she's fantastic.

• 1:23:27Bill Maher?

  He's fantastic.

• 1:23:28Speaker 04

  He's so hot.

• 1:23:29Bill Maher?

  He's so hot and he's so good.

• 1:23:30Speaker 04

  I watch his movies just because I think he's hot. I watched his movie earlier this year.

• 1:23:33Bill Maher?

  That should be, you should,

• 1:23:34Speaker 04

  Mercy. Did you watch that?

• 1:23:37Bill Maher?

  I think I know where,

• 1:23:38Speaker 04

  It was in theaters earlier this year.

• 1:23:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Speaker 04

  The AI judge.

• 1:23:41Bill Maher?

  Yes, the AI judge.

• 1:23:43Speaker 04

  Such a good, that actress too, she's phenomenal. She's in Silo for Apple. Oh my God, I'm obsessed with her. That's my guilty pleasure, Silo, because I love dystopian shit.

• 1:23:52Bill Maher?

  So you put a picture on your wall of Chris Pratt.

• 1:23:54Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 1:23:55Bill Maher?

  And it's like, that's what you, and as soon as that happens, I'm, I'm telling you, that's what's gonna happen. All right, I gotta go, because it's still a work night.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  I appreciate it.

• 1:24:04Bill Maher?

  This was so much fun. I really appreciate it.

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  Thank you so much. Thank you.

• 1:24:07Bill Maher?

  George, my, my watch, if you could show me.

• 1:24:09Speaker 04

  You had your watch.

• 1:24:11Bill Maher?

  Oh, I do. I'm sorry. I was just gonna say, before I leave, if you could just,

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  Put it back. You can have mine.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:24:21Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that was so much fun.

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  That was fun.

• 1:24:23Bill Maher?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:24:28Bill Maher?

  Giving you a lot to think about.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  I appreciate it.

• 1:24:30Bill Maher?

  For your future.

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  May I on mic?

• 1:24:32Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  All right.

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