Pod Insights Civics 101 Who's the most outdoorsy president? (A trivia crossover) About this episode This episode is a crossover with our sister NHPR podcast, Outside/In.
What do pastries have to do with environmental justice? Cat butts with the climate crisis? And what US president ate a half-chewed piece of salmon leftover from a bear on reality TV?
Grab a pencil (and maybe a pint?) and get ready for the inaugural Outside/In trivia episode we’re calling “Natural Selection.” We’ve got a game called “Guess That Animal!” We’re testing our panel’s knowledge on the environment in movies and music. And, maybe, we’ll learn a thing or two along the way about environmental policy, past and present.
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0:00 Speaker 00 In this life, you can't win.
0:02 Speaker 01 When the world gets you down.
0:03 Speaker 00 No!
0:04 Speaker 01 Escape to Pluto TV.
0:05 Speaker 02 This is objectively fantastic.
0:07 Speaker 01 Relax into the movies and shows you already know and love, all for free.
0:11 Speaker 00 Shwing!
0:11 Speaker 01 Even our news is uplifting.
0:13 Nick Capodice? You stay classy, San Diego.
0:15 Speaker 01 Watch School of Rock, Crazy Ex Girlfriend, Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy, The X-Files, Wayne's World, and so much more.
0:20 Speaker 00 We're not worthy!
0:22 Speaker 01 The best things on TV really are free.
0:24 Speaker 02 You just have to know where to look.
0:26 Speaker 01 Escape to Pluto TV. Stream now, pay never.
0:30 Speaker 04 Para los grandes, para los chicos, para los bajos y los altos, los pacifistas, los valientes. Para los optimistas y los pesimistas, los que valoran lo de adentro. Para los que están lejos, los que no ven de lejos, y los que no ven de cerca. Para los introvertidos y los extrovertidos. Para los que piensan y los que hacen. Para los que nos mostraron el camino. Coca-Cola. Para todos. Compra una Coca-Cola en una tienda cerca de usted.
1:00 Nick Capodice? Oh, no! My phone!
1:02 Hannah McCarthy? You dropped this?
1:03 Nick Capodice? Whoa, a mermaid! Nice catch!
1:04 Hannah McCarthy? Thanks. You know, only Xfinity includes device protection for life, so if you drop your phone or tablet, you're covered.
1:11 Nick Capodice? Good to know.
1:12 Hannah McCarthy? Plus, you can upgrade your phone every year.
1:13 Nick Capodice? You sure know a lot about Xfinity for a mermaid.
1:16 Hannah McCarthy? A lot of devices end up down here.
1:18 Speaker 06 Only Xfinity includes device protection for life and phone upgrades every year. Xfinity. Imagine that. Restriction supply requires active mobile plus line and device payment plan. Minimum 60 days between each upgrade.
1:31 Hannah McCarthy? Hey, listeners. Rebecca Lavoy here. I'm the executive producer of Civics 101. Today, we've got a little something different in your feed. Our team teamed up with Outside In and HPR's other weekly podcast about all things outdoors. It's a great narrative show you should definitely listen to, so get Outside In wherever you get your podcasts. On this episode, producer Felix Poon presents a trivia episode featuring our very own Nick Cabriche and Hannah McCarthy. Let's take a listen.
2:03 Speaker 07 Nate's the one who's gonna start, but, you know, just to warm up. How's everyone doing today? How are we feeling?
2:08 Nick Capodice? Good. Caffeinated, ready to go. It's still morning here in Alaska, so I'm doing morning trivia. It's morning in Alaska.
2:15 Speaker 07 Morning in Alaska. Trivia is always done at nighttime, right? If it's good, yeah.
2:20 Nick Capodice? Yeah, exactly.
2:21 Speaker 07 If it's gonna be fun. Okay, so nighttime vibes. We're, it's nighttime right now. Yeah. It's like I have a cocktail in here. Yeah. That would be so great. I would love a cocktail.
2:35 Nick Capodice? Hey, I am Nate Hegy and this is Outside In, a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. And today, these two worlds are gonna be colliding in one of my favorite formats, random trivia questions. Now, I've said on the show before that I love a good brew pub trivia night, so here we are, minus the beers, lots of coffee instead. And today, our game master will be none other than producer Felix Poon. Felix, have you ever done this before?
3:02 Speaker 07 Never, no. This is my first time.
3:05 Nick Capodice? Are you excited? Do you feel confident about your questions?
3:07 Speaker 07 Oh, I feel confident. I feel confident.
3:10 Nick Capodice? Besides myself, we have two other contestants. Justine Perdide, Justine, hello. Hi. And a special guest from our NHPR sister podcast, Civics 101. We've got co-host Hannah McCarthy. Hannah, I know you've done trivia episodes on your show. How are you on environmental topics?
3:28 Hannah McCarthy? Well, we're gonna find out. I will, I'll say right, right at the top here. I tend to get anxious during trivia and even if I know the answer, I'm not gonna know it. Just, so just so everyone knows, I really do know all the answers.
3:42 Speaker 07 Same here, Hannah, same here.
3:45 Nick Capodice? See, I feel like I always do bad at trivia. It's not, I just like, I just like it. I like seeing other people shine. I'm so excited to see you all shine and to see me fail miserably.
3:55 Speaker 07 Aww.
3:57 Nick Capodice? Okay, Felix, take it away.
3:58 Speaker 07 Okay, so I figured I'd warm us all up with a practice question. I'm going to ask the question and then I'll give you each a chance to make a guess before I tell you the answer. And whoever gets the answer right gets a point. Are you ready? I thought it was practice.
4:17 Speaker 07 This is for points. I was just trying to ease your nerves, you know, it's just a practice, but you get points. So, okay. But it counts. For as long as there has been TV, acting US presidents have been appearing on the small screen. But only one commander in chief traveled to an Alaskan glacier to star in a survival skills reality TV show. I think the president looked a little surprised when I pulled out this. Sort of bloody carcass of half eaten salmon. Who was the president? And I'm going to give each of you a chance to answer this. And then after you each go, I'm going to tell you the answer. So who was the president? Starting with Hannah, what's your guess?
4:56 Hannah McCarthy? Well, I'm going to go with because this seems very silly. My guess is President Selina Myers from Veep.
5:05 Speaker 07 Justine.
5:06 Hannah McCarthy? I was going to say it sounded kind of contemporary. And this feels like something that like George W. Bush would do, like I'm out, like went on the big Navy carrier. Right?
5:17 Nick Capodice? Yes.
5:17 Hannah McCarthy? Like, I feel like he might also want to prove his bona fide survival skills. So I'm going to say George W. Bush. Oh, was this supposed? I thought this was supposed to be a fictional president.
5:29 Speaker 07 No, this is a real president.
5:31 Hannah McCarthy? Oh. I thought you were being silly. No, no, I completely misunderstood the question.
5:38 Nick Capodice? This is why this is a practice round.
5:39 Hannah McCarthy? It's a practice.
5:41 Speaker 07 OK, Nate.
5:42 Nick Capodice? I know this one. This is Barack Obama. The fact that he told me that this was a leftover fish from a bear?
5:49 Speaker 07 I don't know if that was necessary. He could have just left that out. Nate got it right.
5:53 Hannah McCarthy? Hey.
5:53 Speaker 07 So the TV show was called Running Wild with Bear Grylls. And apparently it was the White House's idea to have Obama on the show. They were surrounded by like handlers and special forces. And someone like who was like kind of hovering over Obama as he was eating the salmon just to make sure like it was OK.
6:12 Hannah McCarthy? There are no parasites in that salmon, right?
6:15 Speaker 07 So even though he ate a bear chewed piece of salmon in the episode, Obama did decline to drink his own urine like Will Ferrell did on a previous episode.
6:24 Hannah McCarthy? It's probably the right choice for the sitting US president.
6:28 Nick Capodice? All righty, folks. Grab some paper, a pencil, maybe a pint. Because today on Outside In, producer Felix Poon is piloting a new trivia segment we are calling Natural Selection. Are we calling it Natural Selection, Felix? Is that, did you, did you come up with that? Was that a, was that a Taylor Quimby idea?
6:47 Speaker 07 I mean, does anyone have a better name?
6:49 Hannah McCarthy? I like that.
6:50 Nick Capodice? Yeah, I think it's clever.
6:51 Hannah McCarthy? Yeah.
6:51 Speaker 07 OK, natural selection.
6:53 Nick Capodice? Stay tuned.
7:14 Hannah McCarthy? Have any of you out there ever Googled your own name? Like, actually done it? You'll find your address, your phone number, maybe even that police report from the time you went to see Rain Man in the movie theater, but you were underage? Maybe that one's just me. But here's the thing. There are companies called data brokers whose entire business model is collecting your personal information and selling it to advertisers, to strangers, sometimes to people running scams. And once your data's out there, it just keeps circulating. That is where Incogni comes in. Incogni contacts data brokers on your behalf and sends them removal requests over and over, so your info doesn't just pop right back up. You set it up once, and they keep working in the background.
7:59 Hannah McCarthy? You can even track the progress on a dashboard. And for our listeners, we have an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan. Just go to incogni.com/civics or use the code CIVICS at checkout. There's a link in the episode description. Remember, they can't harm you if they can't find you.
8:20 Hannah McCarthy? Holiday season is coming, and I don't think I have to tell you this might be a tough one because things are expensive in the fall of 2026. Everyone I know is looking for ways to make a little extra money, prowling around the side hustle subreddits. But I will say, if you're looking to sell something, to launch a store fast before the holiday rush, Shopify is the one-stop-shop platform for making a professional-looking store without touching a line of code. You can sell anything, and you can sell it anywhere that people shop online. You can have it done in minutes, and you can launch before Black Friday, that time of year when more people are already shopping and ready to buy.
9:04 Hannah McCarthy? So if you're ready to launch your business before Black Friday, go to Shopify.com/civics to start your free trial. That's Shopify.com/civics. Just go to Shopify.com Civics today to hear your first.
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10:36 Speaker 00 Priceline Negotiator.
10:38 Nick Capodice? It's me, the
10:39 Speaker 00 Priceline Negotiator.
10:41 Nick Capodice? We don't need the jingle twice.
10:42 Speaker 00 What about a third time?
10:44 Nick Capodice? Stop it. This is about vacation inflation and how Priceline negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights, and rental cars.
10:51 Speaker 00 Seems like you just said it.
10:53 Nick Capodice? Yeah, but I didn't mention that you can save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app.
10:57 Speaker 00 Time to read the timeline.
10:59 Nick Capodice? Fine. No one deals more deals than
11:01 Speaker 00 Priceline.
11:02 Nick Capodice? Please stop.
11:02 Speaker 00 Priceline.
11:03 Nick Capodice? Touche.
11:04 Speaker 00 Priceline.
11:05 Nick Capodice? Priceline.
11:09 Nick Capodice? Hey, I'm your host Nate Hegy. This is Outside In, a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. And today, I am on the trivia hot seat with Justine Paradis and Hannah McCarthy of Civics 101. Hey, y'all.
11:20 Hannah McCarthy? Hi. Hello.
11:21 Nick Capodice? And though I may be the host of Outside In, I am not the game master today. Producer Felix Poon is, so please, begin.
11:29 Speaker 07 That is I. I am the game master. We're doing this today because we're inspired by this voicemail we got from Luke in Virginia, who was recently hiking at Camp Roosevelt, where he climbed the Kennedy Peak. And it just got me thinking about presidents and the outdoors. I know that Teddy Roosevelt is a very famous outdoorsman president, but I wonder what other things we know about the privileges of presidents and the outdoors. Has any president ever been backpacking, for example? I'd love if Outside In could look into this and figure out, other than Teddy, our famous adventurer, who was the most adventuresome president?
12:10 Nick Capodice? I feel like I've seen pictures of Reagan out in the backwoods and JFK like to sail. You've got George W. Bush cutting brush with a chainsaw.
12:22 Speaker 07 He also is into mountain biking. He used to host a 100-kilometer mountain bike ride for post-9/11 war vets.
12:28 Hannah McCarthy? Wow.
12:29 Speaker 07 Bill Clinton used to jog around the Capitol about three times a week, and apparently that was a Secret Service nightmare.
12:35 Nick Capodice? Did he really run to McDonald's, or is that just the Saturday Night Live? Does anybody know that one?
12:40 Hannah McCarthy? No.
12:40 Nick Capodice? He goes for a run and he runs to McDonald's, and then he just starts eating everybody's food.
12:44 Speaker 07 Say, you gonna finish these fries? Uh, no. You want some? Well, if you're not gonna eat them. Those are good. All right, well, why don't we go further back in time for our first round of trivia questions?
12:59 Hannah McCarthy? Oh, my boy.
13:00 Speaker 07 You ready for the first question?
13:01 Nick Capodice? Yes.
13:02 Speaker 07 Here we go. Teddy Roosevelt is known for being the conservationist president, but his distant cousin Franklin Delano Roosevelt was also a lover of the outdoors. So here's the first question. FDR built what he called his "little white house" in Georgia. Near what kind of natural feature which helped him ease the symptoms of polio? Nate?
13:24 Nick Capodice? Um, I'm going to guess hot springs? Some sort of springs?
13:31 Speaker 07 Justine?
13:32 Hannah McCarthy? I think hot-
13:32 Speaker 06 Hot Springs.
13:33 Speaker 07 Hannah?
13:35 Hannah McCarthy? I'm gonna, I'm gonna switch it up a little bit. I'm gonna say near a lake that he would just sort of ease around in.
13:44 Speaker 07 The answer is Hot Springs.
13:46 Hannah McCarthy? Oh, yeah.
13:47 Speaker 06 Hey.
13:47 Speaker 07 Or, as they came to be known in this area, Warm Springs, because the natural mineral water here was at a constant cozy 88 degrees. And the town itself, where the Little White House was built, is called Warm Springs, Georgia.
14:00 Speaker 06 Oh, gotta keep it cozy.
14:05 Speaker 07 Okay, moving on to our next question. What Nebraska-born Republican was the only president to assume the two highest offices in the country without actually being elected? And the only president to previously serve as a National Park Ranger? Justine? Oh, this is where I'm gonna look a fool.
14:25 Nick Capodice? Oh, I think I'm going to be right there with you, Justine.
14:31 Speaker 07 The National Park system wasn't established till around Teddy Roosevelt. So we're talking after him, right?
14:38 Nick Capodice? Yellowstone was in like the 1800s. I think that was the first one. I thought it was the like late 1800s that they, well, at least it was established as a, and maybe he was a park ranger before there was a park service.
14:51 Speaker 07 I'm, I'm just gonna throw, I don't remember which presidents were, like, had to assume office after the others were assassinated or stepped down. Ford. All right, Hannah?
15:03 Hannah McCarthy? Gerald Ford. And I'm, that's all I'm saying.
15:07 Speaker 07 Nate?
15:08 Nick Capodice? Yeah, I mean, that was going to be my, my guess as well, was Gerald Ford.
15:14 Speaker 06 I picked that out of the air.
15:15 Hannah McCarthy? Very well done, Justine. I'm very impressed.
15:17 Speaker 07 Yeah, Gerald Ford, points for everyone. So.
15:22 Speaker 06 I can't believe that worked. That's crazy.
15:25 Speaker 07 Gerald Ford became vice president after Spiro Agnew stepped down. And then he became president once Nixon resigned. Before all of this, though, when he was just 23 years old, he was a National Park Ranger at Yellowstone, and he called it one of the greatest summers of his life and was known for feeding grizzly bears in front of tourists.
15:44 Nick Capodice? It's a really bad idea. Really, really bad idea.
15:47 Speaker 06 Terrible practice.
15:48 Speaker 07 All right, last question on presidents. So we've all probably heard of Camp David. But before Camp David, there was a very rustic presidential retreat called Camp Rappidane in Shenandoah National Park. What former mining engineer and one-term president first had the camp built and then donated it to the government on his way out of office during the Great Depression? Hannah?
16:11 Hannah McCarthy? Oh, Herbert Hoover.
16:13 Speaker 07 Nate?
16:14 Nick Capodice? Yeah, I was gonna say Hoover because he left during the Great Depression.
16:18 Speaker 07 Justine?
16:19 Nick Capodice? This is boring because Hoover.
16:24 Speaker 07 Herbert Hoover it is. So, the retreat he made in Virginia was sometimes called the Brown House, you know, to get away from the White House, or it was also called Camp Hoover. But as I mentioned, Hoover presided over the Great Depression and his love of fishing at Camp Hoover didn't play too well in the public eye. It was sort of the, how much time has he spent golfing of the era?
16:46 Nick Capodice? Okay, yeah.
16:47 Hannah McCarthy? Yep.
16:48 Nick Capodice? Not very popular when he left.
16:49 Speaker 07 Yeah, the Brown House to me sounds almost like it's like a euphemism for like an outhouse.
16:53 Hannah McCarthy? Oh.
16:54 Nick Capodice? Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah, yeah, that's the outhouse.
16:57 Speaker 07 Not great.
16:57 Nick Capodice? It's Brown House.
16:58 Speaker 07 Exactly.
17:07 Speaker 07 Okay, our next trivia category is climate and the environment in the media. I'm gonna test your knowledge about movies and TV, and this one goes to whoever can shout out the answer first.
17:17 Hannah McCarthy? Scary.
17:18 Speaker 07 Here we go. The filmmakers behind this Academy Award-winning movie about climate change struggled to come up with a catchy name, but working titles included "The Rising" and "Too Hot to Handle." What was the movie?
17:32 Hannah McCarthy? What?
17:34 Nick Capodice? An Inconvenient Truth.
17:36 Speaker 07 Yes.
17:36 Hannah McCarthy? Oh.
17:38 Nick Capodice? That won an Academy Award? Wow. It did, it did.
17:41 Speaker 07 It won two.
17:42 Hannah McCarthy? I did not know that.
17:43 Nick Capodice? What was the, oh, it won Best Original Song, didn't it?
17:46 Speaker 07 Yeah, Best Original Song, and it beat out two songs from the Dreamgirls movie that were sung by Beyonce and Jennifer Hudson.
17:54 Hannah McCarthy? Are you kidding me?
17:55 Nick Capodice? Wait, can we, do we have the song? I mean, is it a bop? Yeah, who sang, was it Al Gore singing the song?
18:00 Speaker 07 It was Melissa Etheridge's "I Need to Wake Up."
18:09 Speaker 07 So Director Davis Guggenheim did these taped interviews with Al Gore. So one day he was asking Gore, like, why is this so hard for people to grasp? And Gore goes on and on. And at the end of this long answer, he's like, because it's an inconvenient truth, you know? And that's where the title came from.
18:26 Hannah McCarthy? Wow.
18:27 Speaker 07 It was after a long spitball, as it often is. Yeah. Okay, next question. So "Don't Look Up" is a 2021 satirical Netflix film about a comet as a metaphor for climate change. Which cast member, known for their work in other post-apocalyptic dystopian movies, filmed most of the movie with a broken tooth?
18:48 Hannah McCarthy? Oh.
18:48 Speaker 07 Timothy Chalamet.
18:50 Hannah McCarthy? Cate Blanchett?
18:53 Nick Capodice? Meryl Streep? I was just listing everybody in the movies. Leonardo DiCaprio.
18:58 Speaker 02 Who else was in it?
19:00 Nick Capodice? Jennifer Lawrence.
19:02 Speaker 07 Jennifer Lawrence.
19:04 Nick Capodice? What other dystopian, I guess, The Hunger Games?
19:07 Speaker 07 The Hunger Games.
19:07 Nick Capodice? The Hunger Games. Okay, okay, yeah.
19:09 Speaker 07 Yeah. So J. Law broke a tooth early in production, but because of COVID restrictions, she said she couldn't get to the dentist until after the film was shot. So they had to fill in her tooth with CGI in post-production. Oh, really?
19:24 Hannah McCarthy? Oh, wow.
19:25 Speaker 07 It's like the comet and her tooth were like the biggest budget items on the post-production.
19:30 Nick Capodice? Can you imagine that job? Like, that's your job in post-production is like, all right, I gotta go through every frame and just fill in this little gap.
19:37 Speaker 07 Well, that's kind of like what they did in the movie Cats, where they added the buttholes for the cats and then they decided to go back and erase all of them.
19:46 Speaker 02 Cats are like one of the creatures whose butthole is most visible.
19:49 Nick Capodice? Absolutely.
19:50 Speaker 02 It's just like, look, check it out.
19:59 Speaker 07 Okay, next question. The epic film Waterworld was set in a future where the polar ice caps have melted and most of the film was shot on boats off the coast of Hawaii. But none of the boats had any what on board, which became a pretty cumbersome logistical problem for filming. Bathrooms.
20:19 Hannah McCarthy? Bathrooms.
20:20 Nick Capodice? Yeah.
20:20 Speaker 07 Justine got it first.
20:23 Speaker 07 So anytime someone had to go to the bathroom, they had to be ferried back to shore, which you can imagine slowed down filming. Waterworld, incidentally, went way, way over budget and was the most expensive movie ever made at the time.
20:37 Hannah McCarthy? See, that's interesting because a plot point in Waterworld is that you have to process and drink your own urine. You'd think that they would have done some real-life experience there, but no.
20:46 Speaker 07 Yeah. All right, this next question is about a famous PSA from the 1970s on TV that came to be known as the Crying Indian ad. It shows a man in buckskin and braids and a feather behind his ear canoeing on a river and then shedding a single tear over the litter and garbage on the riverbanks.
21:05 Speaker 04 Some people have a deep, abiding respect for the natural beauty that was once this country. And some people don't.
21:17 Speaker 07 While the PSA seems to have a pro-environmental message, it was made by Keep America Beautiful, which represented, among other companies, what manufacturer of small disposable paper and plastic cups?
21:32 Hannah McCarthy? Dixie?
21:32 Speaker 07 Pixie? Yes. Hannah got it first. The Dixie Cup Company. Besides the Dixie Cup Company, Coca-Cola, the American Can Company, and the Owens Illinois Glass Company formed the Keep America Beautiful organization that was behind the so-called Crying Indian ad. It was an early version of putting the blame on consumers instead of companies.
21:54 Speaker 02 Wow, so that was like a carbon footprint moment, pre-carbon footprint.
21:58 Speaker 04 People stop pollution, people can stop it.
22:03 Speaker 07 And by the way, the actor who played the so-called Crying Indian?
22:06 Nick Capodice? Not native.
22:07 Speaker 07 Wasn't even indigenous.
22:08 Speaker 02 Wait, I said pixie. Is it Dixie Cup?
22:10 Nick Capodice? Dixie Cups, yeah.
22:12 Hannah McCarthy? Yeah.
22:14 Speaker 02 I got it wrong.
22:15 Hannah McCarthy? Yeah, Dixie.
22:16 Nick Capodice? Pixie's a better name than Dixie because they're small. I think that you're on to something.
22:21 Speaker 02 And because of Dixie.
22:23 Nick Capodice? Yeah. Surprise that one survived.
22:25 Hannah McCarthy? Yeah, I was gonna say.
22:29 Speaker 07 All right, we're gonna take a quick break, stretch our legs, get a drink. But just a preview for what's coming up when we're back. We're playing a game called Guess That Animal. And we're listening to some songs as well. Plus, I'm gonna quiz you on your climate policy knowledge.
22:44 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
22:44 Nick Capodice? Uh-oh.
22:45 Speaker 02 This is where we lose all
22:46 Nick Capodice? All our listeners who are like, these are frauds. Sorry. Bye bye. All right. Also, since we were just talking about movies, it feels like a great time to say that we are scheming up an Outside In Movie Night episode, and we want to hear from you, dear listener. What's one of your favorite movies that centers nature in a big way? Why do you like it so much? And what sticks with you the most? Give us a call at 1-844-GO-OTTER, or you can send us a voice memo to [email protected] . All right, we'll be right back.
23:25 Nick Capodice? Haven't you out there ever Googled your own name? Like, actually done it? You'll find your address, your phone number, maybe even that police report from the time you went to see Rain Man in the movie theater, but you were underage? Maybe that one's just me. But here's the thing. There are companies called data brokers whose entire business model is collecting your personal information and selling it to advertisers, to strangers, sometimes to people running scams. And once your data's out there, it just keeps circulating. That is where Incogni comes in. Incogni contacts data brokers on your behalf and sends them removal requests over and over, so your info doesn't just pop right back up. You set it up once, and they keep working in the background.
24:10 Nick Capodice? You can even track the progress on a dashboard. And for our listeners, we have an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan. Just go to incogni.com/civics or use the code CIVICS at checkout. There's a link in the episode description. Remember, they can't harm you if they can't find you.
24:32 Nick Capodice? Holiday season is coming, and I don't think I have to tell you this might be a tough one because things are expensive in the fall of 2026. Everyone I know is looking for ways to make a little extra money, prowling around the side hustle subreddits. But I will say, if you're looking to sell something to launch a store fast before the holiday rush, Shopify is the one-stop-shop platform for making a professional-looking store without touching a line of code. You can sell anything, and you can sell it anywhere that people shop online. You can have it done in minutes, and you can launch before Black Friday, that time of year when more people are already shopping and ready to
25:15 Nick Capodice? buy. So if you're ready to launch your business before Black Friday, go to Shopify.com/civics to start your free trial. That's Shopify.com/civics. Just go to Shopify.com/civics today to hear your first.
25:37 Nick Capodice? It's me, the
25:40 Nick Capodice? We don't need the jingle twice.
25:43 Nick Capodice? Stop it. This is about vacation inflation and how Priceline negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights, and rental cars.
25:51 Nick Capodice? Yeah, but I didn't mention that you can save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app. Fine. No one deals more deals than Please stop. Touche. Priceline.
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26:36 Nick Capodice? Welcome back to Outside In, a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. I am Nate Hegy, here today with Justine Paradis.
26:45 Nick Capodice? Oh, God. I'm on the stand. Hannah McCarthy.
26:49 Hannah McCarthy? Hello.
26:50 Nick Capodice? And our trivia game master, Felix Poon. Felix, what's the score, by the way?
26:55 Speaker 07 The score is Justine has four points, Nate has five, and Hannah has three.
27:02 Hannah McCarthy? Yep, sounds about right.
27:05 Speaker 07 That was that forward shot in the dark.
27:07 Nick Capodice? That's great.
27:08 Speaker 07 All right, well, why don't we see if we can shake the scoreboard up a bit? Yeah? And do a lightning round? No, no.
27:14 Hannah McCarthy? Lightning round?
27:15 Nick Capodice? Okay.
27:16 Speaker 07 So the topic for this lightning round is the growls, grunts, and yelps of North America. I'm gonna play the sound of an animal native to North America. You have to guess what it is. Oh, fun. As soon as you think you know, whoever shouts it out first gets the point.
27:32 Nick Capodice? And then if none of us get the point, Felix, do you just get a negative point? And then we can count all your negative points for having too hard a questions?
27:40 Speaker 07 But shouldn't I? What chance do I get to get points?
27:44 Nick Capodice? You don't.
27:45 Speaker 07 So I'm just gonna lose?
27:47 Nick Capodice? Yeah, exactly. It makes us feel better.
27:50 Speaker 07 Okay, here we go. Lightning rounds. Animal sounds.
27:56 Speaker 07 Coyote?
27:57 Hannah McCarthy? Coyote.
27:58 Speaker 07 Justine got it.
27:58 Hannah McCarthy? Aww.
28:01 Nick Capodice? Chipmunk.
28:03 Speaker 07 Close.
28:04 Nick Capodice? Squirrel.
28:11 Hannah McCarthy? What?
28:12 Nick Capodice? Scroll with a cold?
28:14 Speaker 07 It's a porcupine. Porcupine, wow.
28:17 Hannah McCarthy? Wow, okay.
28:22 Hannah McCarthy? Chipmunk.
28:24 Hannah McCarthy? No.
28:24 Nick Capodice? Pig?
28:26 Speaker 07 Close.
28:27 Nick Capodice? Hog?
28:28 Speaker 07 Boar, wild boar.
28:30 Nick Capodice? Close to a pig?
28:30 Speaker 07 Uh. It is tick.
28:33 Nick Capodice? Hippopotamus.
28:33 Speaker 07 What's the way peccary? It's a groundhog.
28:37 Nick Capodice? Groundhogs aren't close to pigs.
28:38 Speaker 07 Wait, how is that close to a pig? Well, it's in the name, hog.
28:41 Nick Capodice? Oh, groundhog, I guess what you're saying. Yeah, okay.
28:46 Nick Capodice? Elk.
28:47 Hannah McCarthy? Wow. That was beautiful.
28:50 Nick Capodice? Yeah.
28:50 Speaker 07 Yeah.
28:54 Hannah McCarthy? Cicada.
28:55 Nick Capodice? Nice.
28:55 Hannah McCarthy? Oh, nice.
28:56 Speaker 07 Okay, next one.
29:00 Nick Capodice? Lion?
29:02 Speaker 07 Lion. Native to North America?
29:05 Nick Capodice? Oh, these are native to North America.
29:06 Hannah McCarthy? Hippo.
29:08 Speaker 07 Close. It's not a hippo, but it's close.
29:10 Hannah McCarthy? Close to hippo? Is this another one of those closes that's not close?
29:13 Speaker 07 It is an alligator.
29:14 Hannah McCarthy? Well, I mean, I, yeah, OK.
29:18 Speaker 07 I don't know if these close comments are that helpful. Here's the last one.
29:26 Hannah McCarthy? Come on.
29:27 Nick Capodice? Do you have to play that again?
29:29 Nick Capodice? One more time.
29:30 Speaker 07 One more time. Frog? Chipmunk?
29:36 Speaker 07 It was an asealodle. What?
29:39 Hannah McCarthy? Aww. What a cute little sound for a cute little guy.
29:43 Speaker 07 Asealodles are amphibians. They live underwater. But sometimes they'll take a gulp of air from the surface, which makes this little squeaking noise. Play it one more time.
29:53 Speaker 07 Cute. OK, that is the end of the lightning round. Justine got one right for a total of five now. Nate got two right for a total of seven. And Hannah got one more right for a total of four.
30:05 Hannah McCarthy? Right.
30:06 Speaker 07 Well, we did OK on that.
30:08 Nick Capodice? We did all right.
30:08 Speaker 07 Yeah, not bad, not bad.
30:19 Speaker 07 Moving on to our next category, environmental politics and activism. First one to answer gets a point. Are you ready?
30:26 Nick Capodice? Yes.
30:27 Speaker 07 Sure. Here we go. When oil slicks on the Cuyahoga River in Ohio caught fire, it ushered in a wave of environmental activism and regulations and prompted this US president at the time to create the Environmental Protection Agency. Who was the president? Shout it out. Nixon.
30:45 Nick Capodice? Yeah.
30:46 Hannah McCarthy? I completely forgot about that.
30:48 Speaker 07 Republican Richard Nixon signed a lot of landmark environmental legislation into law, including the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act. And besides the EPA, he also established NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
31:04 Speaker 07 Different time. It sure was. Okay, so the next couple of these are multiple choice. And this time I'll give each of you a chance to answer like we did in the first half.
31:15 Hannah McCarthy? Nice, I'm into that. Okay.
31:17 Speaker 07 Donald Trump's so-called big, beautiful bill of this year gutted a lot of the tax incentives meant to decarbonize the energy sector. But not all renewable technologies were targeted. Which of these renewable incentives were left more or less untouched? A, hydropower. B, geothermal. C, solar. D, wind. And E, nuclear. By the way, there's more than one, but you can only pick one for this question. Nate?
31:48 Nick Capodice? Okay. I'm gonna pick nuclear because I know it's really popular in some conservative circles, including in Wyoming. So I'm going to go with nuclear.
32:00 Speaker 07 All right, Justine?
32:01 Hannah McCarthy? I feel like there's a lot of discussion and political debate around dams. So I'm gonna say hydropower.
32:08 Speaker 07 Mm-hmm. Hannah?
32:09 Hannah McCarthy? I agree with both of those because I know that the tax credits remained for both nuclear and hydropower. I don't know about the others, but I'll say hydropower.
32:18 Speaker 07 All correct. You all get a point. The three answers are hydropower, geothermal, and nuclear. So new wind and solar projects can still get tax credits, but only if construction begins on or before July 4th, 2026 for commercial projects. For residential solar, it has to be installed and functional by December 31st of this year. So if anyone's listening and thinking of installing some solar panels, they better get on that soon. All right, let's go international now. So lots of famous international environmental agreements have longer, wonkier names than the public is used to hearing.
33:00 Speaker 07 Which of these is not the real name of an international environmental agreement? So we're gonna give each of you a chance to answer. Okay, is it A, the Montreal Protocol on substances that deplete the ozone layer? B, the Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer? C, the Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change? Or D, the Paris Agreement to Limit Global Temperature Rise? Justine?
33:37 Nick Capodice? B, Vienna.
33:38 Speaker 07 Hannah?
33:39 Hannah McCarthy? I agree. I'm gonna say Vienna.
33:40 Speaker 07 Nate?
33:41 Nick Capodice? I am also gonna say Vienna because Montreal, Kyoto, and Paris are all just good buzzwords in the climate world. Yep. Yeah, recognizable.
33:49 Speaker 07 You're all wrong.
33:51 Nick Capodice? What?
33:52 Speaker 07 So the Paris Agreement is just called the Paris Agreement.
33:55 Nick Capodice? Oh, my God. Oh, no. You get a negative one, Felix. Negative one. Sorry.
33:59 Hannah McCarthy? Yeah, that's a, that's a bill.
34:01 Nick Capodice? Negative one from Felix. I don't know. I kinda liked that. We got tricked. Vienna. That's funny. There were two on the ozone.
34:08 Speaker 07 Yeah, apparently. So the Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer came first. It was like, let's all start cooperating on like gathering data on the ozone layer. And then a few years later, they're like, okay, let's actually decide to do something about it. And then the Montreal Protocol was doing something about it where there were actual commitments to reduce substances that deplete the ozone layer. Okay, so enough with laws. Let's talk activism. This one is multiple choice. Let's make this shouted out. When environmental justice champion Hazel Johnson discovered her Chicago housing project was surrounded by a ring of pollution and contaminated water, she compared it to
34:50 Speaker 07 a pastry, referring to it as the toxic what? And there's gonna be four options. A, bagel. B, croissant. C, donut. D, bear claw.
35:05 Hannah McCarthy? C, donut.
35:06 Nick Capodice? Donut?
35:07 Speaker 07 Hannah got it right.
35:09 Nick Capodice? Wow, nice, Hannah.
35:10 Speaker 07 Toxic donut. So Hazel Johnson went on to be called the mother of environmental justice for her work. She got the city to clean up local drinking water and air pollution. She also worked at the national level and served on the EPA's National Environmental Justice Advisory Council under Bill Clinton.
35:25 Nick Capodice? Wow.
35:26 Speaker 07 All right, let's check the scores. So Justine has seven points. Nate has eight points. And Hannah has six.
35:41 Speaker 07 Okay, so this will be our final rounds. And the category is songs about climate change, nature, and the environment. So the way this will work, I'll start reading the lyrics to a classic song about or related to the environment. And if you know the song or the artist, you can shout it out. And I'll give you a point for the song and a point for the artist. So if like one of you gets one, you know, there's still a chance to get the other one.
36:07 Nick Capodice? I like this.
36:08 Speaker 07 If I get to the chorus, or the name of the song is mentioned in the lyrics, then nobody gets it.
36:13 Hannah McCarthy? Okay.
36:13 Nick Capodice? Okay.
36:13 Hannah McCarthy? Fair.
36:14 Speaker 07 First song. Poison is the wind that blows from the north and south and east. Oh, things ain't what they used to be. Oil wasted on the ocean and upon our seas.
36:28 Hannah McCarthy? Bob Dylan.
36:29 Speaker 07 Fish full of mercury. Oh, oh, mercy, mercy me.
36:37 Nick Capodice? Oh, Marvin Gaye.
36:39 Hannah McCarthy? Oh.
36:46 Speaker 07 Okay, so no one gets a point for the song, but Nate gets a point for Marvin Gaye.
36:53 Speaker 07 Okay, next song. Hey, farmer, farmer, put away your DDT now.
36:58 Hannah McCarthy? Joni Mitchell, Big Yellow Taxi.
37:00 Nick Capodice? Nice. Hey, farmer, farmer, put away the DDT now.
37:07 Nick Capodice? Gimme spots on apples, believe me, the birds and the bees. Please don't.
37:14 Hannah McCarthy? What a voice.
37:15 Nick Capodice? Great song.
37:15 Hannah McCarthy? I love that song.
37:16 Speaker 07 So Hannah gets two points for that.
37:23 Speaker 07 Uh, next song. I see trees of green, red roses too.
37:28 Nick Capodice? Louis Armstrong, What a Wonderful World.
37:31 Speaker 07 Nate Heggie.
37:33 Hannah McCarthy? Couldn't do it. I know, I heard the growl.
37:44 Speaker 07 All right, so last song. This is the last chance to get a point or two. All right, here's the song. Well, I think it's fine building jumbo planes or taking a ride on a cosmic train. Switch on summer from a slot machine. Yes, get what you want to if you want.
38:17 Speaker 06 Bob Dylan.
38:19 Speaker 07 Cause you can get anything. I know we've come a long way. We're changing day to day. But tell me.
38:27 Nick Capodice? Oh.
38:28 Hannah McCarthy? Where do all the children play?
38:30 Nick Capodice? Nice.
38:32 Hannah McCarthy? And it's Cat Stevens. Cat Stevens slash Yusef. Because Cat Stevens now goes by Yusef.
38:37 Speaker 06 Oh my god.
38:38 Speaker 07 Hannah gets two points.
38:55 Speaker 07 All right, let me tally up the scores. Drum roll, please.
39:03 Speaker 07 Justine has seven. Hannah has 10. And Nate has 11. Nate is our winner.
39:13 Speaker 06 That music round really wiped me out.
39:15 Nick Capodice? Yeah, I thought Hannah was gonna take me over in the music round. She killed it there.
39:19 Speaker 06 Inaugural trivia, nicely done.
39:21 Nick Capodice? Yeah, good job, Felix.
39:22 Hannah McCarthy? Yeah, nice Felix.
39:23 Speaker 07 Thank you. How many points do I get?
39:25 Nick Capodice? Oh, you got negative one.
39:27 Hannah McCarthy? Negative one.
39:27 Nick Capodice? Negative one. It's really good.
39:30 Speaker 06 Didn't we establish that this is a thankless job?
39:35 Nick Capodice? All right, that is it for today's trivia episode. And we want to know, how did you all do at home? Did you keep track? And also, do you have any requests for topics or future episodes of Natural Selection? You can email us and let us know at [email protected] , or you can hit us up on social media. We're on almost all the platforms nowadays. TikTok, Instagram, Blue Sky, X, at Outside In Radio. Also, Facebook at Outside In Radio. This episode was produced and mixed by Felix Poon. It was edited by our executive producer, Taylor Quimby. Our staff also includes Marina Hanke and Jessica Hunt. Rebecca Lavoy is NHPR's Director of On Demand Audio. Music in this episode is by Jules Gaia, Arthur Benson, Stationery Sign, and Ludwig Mullen.
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