The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unapologetically Daring to Inspire by Petronely Grindea

Unapologetically Daring to Inspire by Petronely Grindea https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FLJB9G8H Petronelyempowers.com In this powerful memoir, I bare my soul, sharing the unvarnished truth of my life's journey to spark a conversation about women's empowerment. With unflinching honesty, I explore the complexities of womanhood, offering a beacon of hope and solidarity for those seeking to find their voice and claim their strength. About the author "Petronely Grindea is a trailblazing entrepreneur, innovator, and author who has revolutionized the spa and wellness industry. As the founder of LifeBotanica and co-founder of Innovative Wellness 360, she pioneered the 'beauty from within' concept, empowering countless individuals to achieve holistic wellness. With over 25 years of experience and collaborations with industry giants like Elizabeth Arden and Estee Lauder, Petronely's expertise has been featured in top publications and media outlets, including Spa Management, Cosmopolitan ,Vogue, and CNBC. Now, as an author, Petronely is sharing her unvarnished life journey and insights on women's empowerment through her memoir, "Unapologetically Daring to Inspire." With unflinching honesty, she explores the complexities of womanhood, offering a beacon of hope and solidarity for women seeking to find their voice and claim their strength.

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  Today we have an amazing lady on the show, we're going to be talking about her book called Unapologetically Daring to Inspire. We're going to get into her and all the deets there so we can take and do that. Ms. Green, Dia, can you give me the pronunciation of your name? I've lost my notes here.

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  Petronelli Grindea.

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  And so we're going to be talking to her on the show so that we can take in, find out more about her. She's an accomplished entrepreneur, wellness pioneer, and inspiring women's empowerment author of over 25 years of experience transforming lives through beauty, holistic wellness and mindful living. She's the founder of Life Botanica and co-founder of the Innovative Wellness 360. She's collaborated with renowned brands such as Elizabeth Arden, Estee Lauder, earning recognition in publications including Vogue, Cosmopolitan and CNBC. Through her powerful memoir, this aforementioned book, she shares her remarkable journey of resilience, re-innovation and self-discovery, empowering women to embrace their truth, overcome

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  challenges and live courageously with purpose. Welcome to the show, how are you?

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  Thank you very much, I'm delighted to be with you, thank you for having me.

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  Thank you for coming. Give us any dot coms, websites, wherever you want people to find you on the interwebs.

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  It's Petronely Empowers with S dot com. That's the website where the book can be found and the history of my career and appearance and so on and so forth.

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  So give us a 30,000 overview, if you would please, of what's inside your book.

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  Okay, this book was dedicated, the goal of the book was literally to reveal to my children, so I had two goals, to reveal to my children my beginning in the United States, which we never discuss in detail, how difficult, how hard was it, emotional and so on. And secondly, was really dedicated to women, this was my primary goal actually, to dedicate to women I met throughout my experience in Elizabeth Arden and Estee Lauder. I came in the United States from Transylvania and I was a woman with two degrees. I came because the situation political in Romania was very difficult.

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  My father-in-law defected, he was a major personality and automatically my husband and I were finished professionally and politically. Also our apartment, we had to pay in full, the government forced us to pay in full in order to leave the country. He managed to extract us from Romania. It was a big trial through a leader of Republic National Bank who helped him. So we arrived here, I had zero money in my pocket, I had two degrees, but only 25 lessons of English.

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  Oh wow.

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  Because Eastern Bloc is dominated by Russia. And dominated by Russia meant that you study Russia. We studied some Latin and French, there was no German, there was no English. So I came, I took some private lesson, when finally we realized that we had to leave the country, I took some private lesson, but I really didn't speak English. It was extremely difficult, I felt that I have all this education and what the heck I'm going to do with it? Eventually I had someone helping me to put together a resume and the resume was very modest, but anyhow, he was a professor and stays and I, he said, you cannot, you cannot get anything with this resume. You have to brag about all the qualities you have, who you are and all that.

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  So eventually I sent it to many people, I never heard, only one was because I had a degree in economics and one in art history. I made quite a bit of stir because I wrote about an artist which was politically banded, but my professor was international, was recognized by Ceausescu, the dictator, and he said, write about if you want very much to write. Eventually the thesis was published and so on, but that doesn't mean anything. I came in America, so I went to Metropolitan Museum for an interview and guess what? They wanted to give me a job, I was pretty lucky.

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  Wow.

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  They wanted to give me a job to sell. My country, that was very beneath who I am, my status, so I felt like, wow, even so I spoke so poorly, they gave me a job to sell in the store. I didn't understand, I didn't sell the grandeur of putting my foot in Metropolitan, I didn't understand, I was totally naive, totally out of touch with what happened in America. So then, then I said, I'm not going to do this. Then I didn't realize that eventually I could promote myself while I was there. But anyhow, later on, so I decided to try the beauty industry. My grandmother and mother had some cosmetic from Elizabeth Arden, I knew the story of Elizabeth Arden.

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  I decided to introduce myself. I, I had two suits made for me, Ode and Heaven style. So I was very elegant, I went with gloves, with purse you can imagine, and I went for the lowest job because my English was really pitiful and so on. To my shock, they hired me. To my shock, because I didn't expect, I expected to be rejected, but they hired me. So I was hired at a lower, lower level, meaning as an esthetician. My journey started, was very difficult at the beginning and was a lot of struggle. My book is not about struggle, it's about how you grow, how you develop and how you win.

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  So even so, I had a really tough time to adjust myself to the level. I realized that I like to speak and as soon as I speak English well, I'm going to sell like no tomorrow. Eventually, within the second and a half year, I was number one in entire company's sales. Because I realized the only way to be noticed is going to be if I exceed at what I'm doing as an esthetician. When you do aesthetics, you recommend products, you do makeup, you recommend products. So I was very dedicated to the clients and eventually I managed, and then they start giving me attention. What attention?

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  They gave me position, by now my English was better, the position was as a director and then I grew so on and so forth. But what I really like to talk about is really the fact that the experience was, for me, Elizabeth Arden, I didn't realize at the time. I was under depression because I felt like I'm beneath myself and my country don't do work beneath your level. Now maybe, but not then. So coming back was university for women, the school of women, being Elizabeth Arden was phenomenal. First of all, I met Who's Who in New York. I met Mrs. Kennedy, which was by then was on ISIS.

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  I met Sigourney Weaver, I'm still in touch with her. I met the, really the cream of the society. And so many of these women, regardless who they were socially, they had serious problems. They, they were, some they were abused emotionally, some they, they were divorced and stripped of all their wealth, some went through hell in other ways. It was a very, coming to Elizabeth Arden for a treatment, wasn't just a treatment, they wanted to be seen, they want to be noticed, wanted to matter to someone. So whatever my work was, was really to help them with that.

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  On the other hand, I studied psychology and I became like a psychologist at bay, because literally I learned the story, the drama of their life, once they relaxed, when they knew me, when they realized that I'm discreet, this goes no farther and I'm not in their social circle, definitely they treated me in a certain way. So eventually I learned a lot. I have just one particular story which I want to talk about. French, you talk about

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  Jolie, which is a beautiful girl, very cute, very lovely, slim, young, whatever. Then you have Belle, a beautiful girl, elegant, sophisticated. Then you have Bofam. Bofam is a person who literally is chunky a little bit, but still a beautiful woman. So one day they would come for packages, five hundred at the time. Many years ago was a lot of money. So they would come for a package. I see this woman, someone told me, go and say hello to. By now, I was in Estee Lauder and I went to see her. What happened?

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  I asked him, I said, I saw her beautiful done, makeup, hair, everything. I said, Madame, you look beautiful. It was my role to compliment her. The moment I said that, she burst into crying. And I was thinking, gosh, I'm gonna have a lawsuit right here. And the Americans sue for everything. They sued the company for a bikini wax, thirty million dollars. So I thought about my psychology background. I put my hand on her shoulder and she stopped crying. That was the effect of touching her to reassure her that she's safe. She started telling me about the fact that her husband would abuse her.

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  And when she go to bed, she has to wear makeup. She was part of a low firm. Think about that, Chris. Part of a low firm. So you get to learn that secret and all that. So I was so impressed and so moved by her. Three weeks later, I happened to be in Kotsko to buy some grocery. And I see her and she, oh, Pedro Nelly. And I see this, really, I call them bozo, next to her, fat, bald, and disgusting looking to me. By now, of course, I had an image of him.

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  Wow.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  So he was the husband, can you believe that? Next to this beautiful woman and successful. So there are so many of these stories. So my book, it's a dedication to empowerment for women. So talking about pillars of empowerment, I like to talk about that. So from Elizabeth, from Elizabeth Arden, my success, I had a client actually, who introduced me to Estee Lauder. And Estee Lauder, the position was to attend to open markets for them for spy industry. Estee Lauder had a wonderful real estate in the stores. Saks, Bloomingdale's, everywhere, they have this beautiful counter. And the position always showed the power of the company.

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  The all the roads go to Rome, you know that. So go to Estee Lauder. So I was introduced, luckily, the CEO at the time, Robin Burns, liked me very much and she hired me. I didn't really care to move at the time because I had six weeks vacation. I had my children, I had a lot of, I had to go to see my parents in Europe. It was very difficult to come back to two weeks. But actually, at Christmas, I would take a break, so that was the third week. Anyhow, I started my journey with Estee Lauder in charge of spy industry. I opened six markets. I opened Dallas, my first, Galeria Mall, Beverly Hills, Chicago, Detroit,

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  Holt's Run for Canada, and Americana Mall was my last operation. After which, this was an experience unbelievable because in my position, I had to deal with store managers. These people were power people. They were running multi-million dollar operation. And they were commanders. They, I remember my experience in Dallas, we opened a new spa and the television came. And the woman who was running the store at the time wanted to be number one there. Our people who brought it, and he just said, no, no, no, Pedro Nelly runs this, she's there. But it's very funny, you had to be very humble to understand their position, to respect them.

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  On the other hand, you have a job to do for Estee Lauder. A lot of cross-marketing, I had to do a lot of cross-marketing from the counters to the spa in order to create business, in order to create visibility and so on. Moving on from that, once I finished Americana Mall, my little girl was very sick and were a lot of problems with her and were hard to identify, the doctors weren't able to identify everything. So what happened, I had to resign. And Mr. Lauder was extremely good to me. And Mr. Lauder was Austrian Jew, so he knew the university I finished. He said, oh, that's Oxford, the university. He took it with respect.

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  You go on Wall Street, you say Babeswo University, they never heard of it. He knew, and he was very proud of me. He said, you have to have American pedigree. So he sent me back to school and pay for it. It was an honor to work for this company. The way they took care of you aesthetically, the way they teach you. Every summer, I had the privilege to go to some of these great universities to educate us in business, Yale, Harvard, Princeton. At Princeton, I learned that actually I'm dyslexic.

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  Oh, really?

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  Yeah, yeah. The professor said, you are the best in the group, but how come you make mistake when you write that? I was missing H, although I know how to write it. So you know, it was phenomenal exposure. They took such a good care of us and treat us as an extended family. Until the company went public, it was an ambiance of, you can imagine, you can imagine. And I was very fortunate to work for them. So moving on, after I left, he sent me a note, he personally, that I can come back anytime. And meanwhile, I was hired by a small company local, completely different outlook, different salaries and so on. But I could take my little girl to school, to the doctors.

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  The first time in my life, I drove instead of being in the plane to go to Dallas at five in the morning. It was opportunity to take care of my family. So finally, I went to a company called Maximus. And all my business talents were applied. He let me do pretty much what I wanted. The first year passed without a review. I had no review and I was shocked, how is possible? I started as a director then, okay. Then I did my own review at Estee Lauder. When I presented to my boss, his name was Richard Calcasola, he cried. He said, nobody respects me so much to show me this. The next day, I was CEO of the company. He saw the value, he knew the value because he knew me from Estee Lauder.

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  But anyhow, coming back, what was extraordinary for me, prepare me for my own companies. Why? Because I was able to do pretty much what I wanted to do as long as I brought money. So we cross-market to pharmaceutical, pharmaceutical, take you to golf course, to other. But I took them to spa, women were dying to come. We did dinner for them, we had flowers. And every time I did a presentation, the benefits of going to a spa, to services, to take care of your body, to take care of your soul and return and so on. So coming back to, to that was an experience which really prepared me

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  to become this, my own boss. Meaning, I had the privilege to be selected at the time I worked for Maximus by a woman called Carol Hyatt. She was one of the biggest marketer in United States. Doing her phenomenal apartment on Park Avenue, she would do once a year a program, create a module, a business module. My friend was working for her, she said, she has to meet you, she has to meet you. I said, listen, I'm not looking for a new job. I work fifteen minutes from home, the salary now is good, I'm CEO, I have benefits, I'm not. No, no, no, you must go. I met her and obviously my ambitions has stepped in place.

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  She liked me, inviting me in this group of twenty-five women. There was everyone from Wall Street, women who were tired of their work, position, abuse and a lot of things which happened. And they wanted to be self-sufficient, have their own company. So we had to create as a program, a module. The module we create, I created like Botanica module. So that's how I started one of my companies.

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  That was an evolution, a process and evolution and so on and so forth. But one of the things which I need to emphasize, because we're talking about struggle, was very tough in the beginning. I don't want, I didn't want the book to talk about just struggle. I wanted resilience. I wanted women to see that if you have a plan, you work at it, obviously you need to deliver. Even so, you fall once, twice, three times, doesn't matter, you will win. If you have a plan and you prepare for it. One of the things which I need to mention, since I still speak with accent,

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  imagine when I went to Estee Lauder corporate with all these ex-executive Americans. Trust me, I had spas all over my neck. I used to wear blouses to high neck to show my spas. I was so excited and nervous because, but nothing stopped me. I had a situation which is very cute. So I'm in Dallas, my first project for Estee Lauder, imagine that, I'm the chair, I'm the chief. I'm organizing this, I'm putting together the team, everything, everything. Mr. Lauder happened to come with Mrs. Evelyn, they came with a first operation. They wanted to see what happened. Before they came, one of the massage therapists starts speaking about me

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  and said, I don't understand her, she speaks with such a heavy accent, I don't understand her. I heard someone came and tell me, I bite the bullet, I did a meeting and I told them, I hear that some of you have difficulty understanding my language. Guess by that time, I spoke really good English. I said, but first of all, if you don't understand, you come to the office, I'll write it for you. Secondly, if you come to New York, New York people will not understand the Texas accent, believe me. And I was right. I end up coming home with seven pies, which I deposited them all to corporate so they see that I was a success story.

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  But that's how, and Mr. Lauder was personally involved. He came to see, he was very interested. And Mrs. Evelyn at the time, she was alive and she came. So my privilege of having this exposure, it almost, always gave me, taught me resilience, taught me to be a university of women in what I experienced. I didn't consider myself exploit or I.

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  I learned that women do not come to buy a lipstick. Women do not come to buy a lipstick. They come to be seen. They come to be heard. They come to show that they matter. That was the thing. All this cosmetic business, I brought a few pieces from Estee Lauder blushes. This is one of their elegant blushes. It's not about just this. People, when they talk about cosmetics, they don't understand. I had a father-in-law who, no matter how much success I had, he never, he was in finance. That was different and old.

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  He didn't have, I think, the respect I wanted to see in what I produce and where I came from. Anyhow, coming back, women really need to understand that they matter. So this book is daring to remember, daring to remember that you, you matter, that you existed before coming to America. It's daring to speak, speak your mind, daring to, to express feelings. And if you fail, get up and move again and learn more. Daring to rise after falling, that's very important.

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  Yeah.

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  Also for me, daring to lift another woman. Right now, what I'm doing, I don't need to do it. I wanna do it. I'm a speaker and I'm speak for women. I'm a coach. And because I was a professor and for so many else, yes, I prepared director, VPs and other people and career, I build them, I talk them. I wanna help women who need that. So I'm doing both, coaching, I'm using the book as a tool because there is a plan of growing here. It's not, it's a plan for, for someone who's interested to develop their skills, to develop their career.

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  They can follow the path. You go on the internet, you find everything, but not organized this way. And through my experiences, what I experience, I share with them. And you know something? The, the goal is emotional climax. The goal is emotional climax. The book is dedicated to women because I care and I wanna help. If I help, just to tell you, right before I, and this is a divagation, right before I went to United Nations to speak, the ambassador, a friend of mine, wrote a speech for me, a page. And I studied political science, so I read the page. And I thought about, no big deal. She brought a woman with her.

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  She said, "Have thank you to me because I did this. I want you to coach her." She had a husband who abused her. She was a lovely woman who abused her, who stripped her. He left with another woman, stripped her of her money and she's back in the working forces. She need help. Teach her tools, how she can interview, how she can build a resume, how she can do a little marketing from whatever, or start a small business. What would be the plan for a small business? So my dedic-, so you can imagine, so I didn't even go in, that I meet this woman, which touched me deeply. I decided, actually, and I don't wanna appear arrogance because it wasn't about that.

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  I, I look in the room, 2,000 people. I seen three-quarters were women. So I decided, I'm not gonna read what she wrote politically. I'm gonna talk from the heart. And I start talking about the role of women in the family, the role of women in business, and as peacemaker. We had quite a few stars in peacemaking. So it was incredible. I had such a satisfaction to see the reaction of the women in the room. So it was, it was just incredible. And then eventually the woman, because she helped me write the, the, the speech, the woman, I start coaching her. Now she has a little job and she's doing okay.

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  Her kids are around her because her husband took them away for a period of time. Now he died, so she has a chance to have again family and to be happy. She's not making yet, but I'm teaching her how to speak, how to do review in the, in the company doesn't do for her. I'm teaching her all tools which are necessary for business. In Petronely Empowers dot com, I have a course for empowerment. Anyone who's interested can read it free of charge. And it's, if they are interested, of course, I can help them in any, any way, shape and form. So anyhow, other questions?

• 26:06Speaker 01

  No, no. I mean, what an amazing story of, of your journey through coming from Europe and, and rising through the, through the thing there. What do you hope people get when they read the book?

• 26:18Speaker 02

  I totally want them to feel encouraged, to feel support and to feel that yes, it's possible. And I'll tell you another little story. I was a very rakhidic child, very skinny, extremely skinny. And at that time, everyone around me were making, were trying to lose weight. I was trying to gain weight. And I finish a school, a high, my parents decided to put me in one of the best schools for sports. The school required academic very high, otherwise you can't compete. If you, if you don't do well in sports, you can't stay in the school. You have to be out. So I had to be boss. So my parents really gave me this background that as a tool, it's endurance, striving

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  to success, team spirit, understanding and obeying rules and regulation. Anyhow, what was funny was my mother had this saying, I used to say, "Mom, I compete with that girl." I was a gymnast until my four-year in college. "Look, that girl, she's strong, she's..." My mother said, "Why not you? Why not you?" "Stay with me in my life." And I always say, "Why not me?" So of course, it was very hard in the beginning. I mean, the speech was a problem. And just to tell you another little story, I went to one of the top therapists in New York through a client, through one of my rich clients. She sent me there because I told her I wanna speak like Americans to perfection.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  She said to me, what she said to me, "Okay, go." I went. The therapist said, "You are too old." I was already past 28. "You are too old, your muscle is formed, you will never roll the bows like Americans. So focus on good English." That was salary for a week, but she didn't take it. She sent me home and I focus on that. So I'm still speaking with accent. Here we are.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Here we are, here we are. It's a wonderful tale and what a great life you built and, and lived and now you're sharing the inspiration and all that through the other people. Do you see any, now, let's talk about some of the courses that are on your website. Looks like you've got several offers there. You've got the book. Tell us about some of these courses and what you're offering in coaching to people.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Basically, basically, you have, when you do coaching, one of them, actually, I can't say who the person is. Right now, I'm coaching someone who's a major, major musician and international. It's about the emotional status. You have to evaluate the emotional status. I have psychology background for years. So your emotional status, when you see and establish, the, the more they reveal, the most, the more you learn. You set up a plan to help them. What is the most weak part of their status and emotion? And you work on that.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Then courage to be able to express who they are and situation that you have to find this particular person has a lot of management, we suck up his money and pretty much control him. He's such a nice person. I never imagined that someone in that industry can be so lovely and he is. So since then, we're progressing slowly. We started about three months ago. So they can look for results because you set up a plan and you share with them. What's the plan? You give them homework. You give them all aspects. You encourage them. You give them things which are ethically appropriate for that situation.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  That's what you do.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  And so they can, what does your clients look like? Do they need to have a certain amount of net worth or?

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  I really, frankly, my goal now is to really help women. I don't look for realm of money. I'm not looking for that. Looking for, I did another, when I was looking to find an editor for my book, I found one in, in Manhattan. She was asking a hundred thousand, a hundred thousand to edit a book, which I already wrote. Forget it. But the person who called me was her secretary from London, from London. And guess what? She was separated, she had a baby, two months old, two years old. The father wasn't allowed to see the child, was a disaster. We became friends as we talked. I never charged her.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  After seven months, she has a wedding, got invited. So who are the people who I address? Business people. I can teach them business, especially marketing. I was very strong in market, cross marketing, marketing. I can teach them aspiration, how they can grow. I can give them the tools to embody so they become the person they hope they wanna be and so on. It's, it's a lot in the process.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely a lot in the process there. It's been wonderful to have you on. As we go out, give people your final pitch out to pick up your book, reach out to you for coaching and dot coms where they can find you, please.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Can you see?

• 31:24Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, what?

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Can you see the book?

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, we can see the book. So if you could give people your final pitch out to order up your book and dot coms where they can find you.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Petronely Empowers dot com. On Amazon and Barnes and Nobles and different, different other networks.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Thank you very much for coming to the show. It's been wonderful and inspiring to have you on.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  It's very kind of you to listen.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you. And thanks so much for tuning in. Order per book, unapologetically daring.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  To inspire.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  To inspire. Thanks so much for tuning in. Go to Goodreads dot com, Fortunes Chris Voss, LinkedIn dot com, Fortunes Chris Voss, YouTube dot com, Fortunes Chris Voss, and all those crazy places in the internet. Be good to each other, stay safe. We'll see you guys next.