Kid Cudi: The Pursuit Paid Off

This week, Alex sits down with Kid Cudi for a raw conversation about the dark side of fame and his path to self-love. He opens up about navigating grief and addiction as his career skyrocketed, and how rehab ultimately helped him survive. He tells the story of meeting his wife and shares the best moments from their wedding, plus what to expect from his upcoming album. This episode includes discussion about addiction, depression, and suicidal ideation. Please keep this in mind when deciding if, how, and when you’ll listen.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

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• 2:25Alex Cooper?

  What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:34Alex Cooper?

  Kid Cudi, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:36Alex Cooper?

  How are you doing today?

• 2:38Speaker 03

  I'm fantastic. I feel really good. It's been crazy the past couple of months. I've been filming, I filmed this movie that is really fucking gnarly. And, and I just wrapped last week. And, uh, yeah, so now I'm like back into work mode on the album and, and the memoir.

• 2:58Alex Cooper?

  I was about to say, I'm like, wait, now you're throwing another curve ball. I'm like, you're so fucking busy. I was like, you've had the most insane summer. You're going to continue to have an insane summer. You got married.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:07Alex Cooper?

  Congrats.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 3:08Alex Cooper?

  So we have a wedding.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:09Alex Cooper?

  We have an album and we have a memoir.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:12Alex Cooper?

  Do you sleep? Like what's going on?

• 3:14Speaker 03

  I do find time to sleep.

• 3:15Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  I do. People, people don't understand when I do, but I do.

• 3:19Alex Cooper?

  Right. It happens at some point.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:21Alex Cooper?

  We'll never know.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:23Alex Cooper?

  What do people close to you call you? Like, are people calling you Cudi? Are people calling you Scott?

• 3:28Speaker 03

  No, I introduce myself to people as Scott.

• 3:30Alex Cooper?

  Does your wife call you Scott?

• 3:32Speaker 03

  We have pet names.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  She never says Scott, actually.

• 3:37Alex Cooper?

  Give me one pet name.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's always babe or Booski or something like that.

• 3:42Alex Cooper?

  Booski? Oh, that's cute. Okay, what should I call you today?

• 3:46Speaker 03

  You can call me Scott.

• 3:46Alex Cooper?

  Scott.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know, I feel weird introducing myself as Cudi.

• 3:53Alex Cooper?

  Have you thought about, would you ever drop the kid?

• 3:57Speaker 03

  I have thought about that. I have thought about that.

• 3:59Alex Cooper?

  Talk to me about it.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Um, you know, I'm, I, I was thinking, uh, a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to my good friend, Jean Baptiste, and I was like, man, you know, it would be so cool if I just like started a band, like, and just did like, Alternative trippy psychedelic shit.

• 4:25Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Like real experimental and just like it was just me and some other dudes in the band. And you know, I went by Cuddy rather than Kid Cuddy, you know?

• 4:35Alex Cooper?

  What if you went full off the reservation and went Scott?

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:39Alex Cooper?

  You went Scott. You're like, what's up everyone? It's Scott.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  I don't know how cool Scott sounds, you know?

• 4:47Alex Cooper?

  It's a little different than Cuddy.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:49Alex Cooper?

  But like you could make it have a ring to it. I agree. It's a departure, but maybe one day you'll come out with a band.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, or maybe I'll go by Scotty or something.

• 4:58Alex Cooper?

  Cause I feel like you have to have a little bit of differentiation between your home life and the people that know you and get to call you Scott.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:06Alex Cooper?

  Um, you have really good fashion. I feel like everyone kind of knows that. Talk to me about your fashion, like how it's kind of evolved.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I feel like now.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  You know, cause I say maybe last year and the, from 2020 to 2024, I was just really big on like colors and you know, um, dyeing my hair different colors and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure everybody saw that. I was dying my hair every, every two weeks in different colors and, and now since I turned 40, I've been like trying to

• 5:47Speaker 03

  find a, a balance of just like real casual, but like rock star.

• 5:53Alex Cooper?

  I see this all the time.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying?

• 5:55Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  And then like my shoes are all dirty and like, you know, not so polished and, and I love buying vintage. I don't really go and buy new shit because I hate like wearing something and then seeing another motherfucker in it. And you know, and you know, like we're, we're rappers. It's all about like who has it first, you know what I mean? So they do these fit pics on their IG and it's like such a thing, you know? And like, I just, you know, I love, you know, buying vintage because you can kind of be unique in, in, in, um, also when you're shopping and you're buying vintage, like it's like.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  You never know what's gonna fit you, you know? And that's how I really get lucky with these other jackets. Everywhere I go, it's like I can find one that's like really good, you know? And I have a secret spot in Paris that I get all my leather jackets from.

• 6:52Alex Cooper?

  Wow, you're gatekeeping over here.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  I'll tell you off the air.

• 6:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay, fair.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  I'll tell you off the air.

• 6:56Alex Cooper?

  Come on, thank you, thank you. Come on, Lola would approve. What is your biggest fashion mistake? Like, what did you use to wear that you're like, what the fuck was I doing?

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Um, I don't think I've had any fashion mistakes. I'm pretty, like, when I see old fit pics of me and stuff like that, I'm kinda like, oh, that was a good day.

• 7:13Alex Cooper?

  You're proud. How do you feel about the fedoras? Would you ever bring it back?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  I might.

• 7:18Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Cause that's actually a good, that's, ooh, that's a good idea. It might be nice to bring back the fedora.

• 7:26Alex Cooper?

  You think, though?

• 7:27Speaker 03

  It could, I could pull it off. I could wear anything.

• 7:30Alex Cooper?

  That's fair. Do you think your wife would like the fedora look?

• 7:33Speaker 03

  I think she would be into it.

• 7:35Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause she trusts me.

• 7:37Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 7:38Alex Cooper?

  You're not gonna make it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  She knows I'm always gonna show up and like, show out.

• 7:42Alex Cooper?

  I agree with you. There's some people that can literally put anything on and they just like have the aura that they can pull it off. Some men in a fedora, Scott, um, it wouldn't, it wouldn't attract the ladies. Do you know what I mean?

• 7:59Alex Cooper?

  It wouldn't make them feel like, ooh, I wanna get that. So I agree with you. Like, maybe you can pull it off and maybe you'll bring it back.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would, I would do it in a way where, like, even if I had a fedora on with this outfit, it could work. You know what I mean?

• 8:13Alex Cooper?

  With the joint?

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:15Alex Cooper?

  With the Solomon.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  I mean, cause this was my look back in like 2008, 2009. Like, I used to wear the fedora all the time. That was like my thing.

• 8:22Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna bring it back. Um, talk to me about, obviously, the internet is absolutely obsessed with you and Timothy Chalamet's friendship. They're like obsessed with you guys being friends. It's actually very cute. What is his best quality as a friend to you?

• 8:39Speaker 03

  You know, the best quality about Timmy is that he's super genuine.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Timmy is always Timmy with me, not the Timothy that people know and they see in the movies. You know, like when he's with me, we'll be sitting sometimes and like he's such a fan that he'll like, like you remember this and start playing some shit that I released in like 2008. Like this is a freestyle you put out and I'll be like, damn, I haven't heard this in 15 years. And like he's, he just supports me and you know, acting and music. And he's just a good listener and like, I remember one New Year's, like 2020, he came over my house and, and it was just me and him and we just rang in the new year together.

• 9:28Speaker 03

  You know, just like, it was so, it was so dope and like, he's just a really good dude, you know? And I don't have a lot of like,

• 9:40Speaker 03

  people in the business that I'm that close with, you know? I, it, it's just over the years, I realized that, okay, these are industry friendships and, and I have real friendships. And, and, and Timmy is not an industry friendship. Like we are real friends. I've been to his childhood crib, like met his dad, you know, like, hung out, like saw his old bedroom that he grew up in. You know what I mean? Like he still had everything in the same place.

• 10:09Alex Cooper?

  So many women are like, I'm so fucking jealous of you right now, Scott, god damn it. Oh, that's really cute.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he, he was like, this is why I listen to Man on the Moon One. And I sat on, at this desk and just listened day in, day out. And it was so cool to just kind of see, you know, his world and, uh, but he's just a, a really good friend. And he's always been there for me and you know, I like to send him, I like to send him records before I release them, right? And like I sent him this one, well, he was in Italy. So this is, this is how cool of a friend he is. He came to Italy to visit me when I was shooting We Are Who We Are with Luca, right? And he stayed at the villa. I had an extra room. So he stayed with me at the villa, right? And like I played him like some songs from my album InterGalactic, like maybe like a year before it came out.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  And I played him Will and the Trust and he just started bawling. Like he was like, it made him so emotional, you know? And that and you know, Timmy always likes my stuff, but there's a range and like his reaction. Like sometimes he'll be vibing and be like, oh, this is dope, this dope. And then sometimes he'll just get the fuck up and just really be going crazy and like, oh shit, I shit. You know what I mean? So this was another one of those moments where I I knew and that song is probably the illest song from Intergalactic, you know?

• 11:35Alex Cooper?

  Well, it's cool to hear you talking about industry relationships. And obviously publicly, it could look like an industry friendship. And then hearing you say you have a personal relationship that's way beyond just like a industry relationship is cool. Because I know, which I want to get to with your memoir, like through your childhood, you had a lot of like lonely moments. And even hearing you say like, you don't have that many friends in the industry. I usually think is a big positive sign when I meet someone, because I think if you're just like, kind of whoring yourself out to everyone and you're like, a man of the people. I feel like it's like, how is that genuine? And how do you invest that much time in that many people?

• 12:15Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 12:15Alex Cooper?

  Um, back up, why now? And why did you want to write this?

• 12:20Speaker 03

  Man, I feel like I just went through a transformation in my life. And I was at this place where it was like eight years I had been kind of on the lighter side of life. And I had learned so much and I know, you know, the fans really want to know my story. And they know bits and pieces because I've done interviews throughout the years and talked about my past and things like that. But there's so much that is in the book that I'm sure no one knows about.

• 12:53Alex Cooper?

  The book is incredible.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 12:55Alex Cooper?

  Super vulnerable. Like, I love how you go all the way back to childhood. You talk a lot about your rise to fame and you talk about some of the absolute darkest moments of your life.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:06Alex Cooper?

  I want to get into a lot of it today.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:08Alex Cooper?

  Um, let's go back to the beginning where your book starts. Talk to me about what you were like as a kid in general.

• 13:31Alex Cooper?

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• 16:46Speaker 03

  Well, before my father died, when I was 11, I was a really happy kid. You know, like, we didn't have much, but my mom, you know, was a great mom and my dad was great. He was there for me. They divorced when I was three, so I don't really remember, like, even living in the house with him. But he was still active in my life and I saw him frequently. And, you know, I was a happy kid. I was goofy.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  I was the baby of the family, you know? And it was like that for a while, but it wasn't until I was 11, when I lost my father, where there became a change in me, you know? And...

• 17:33Speaker 03

  You know, I feel like that pain that I that I endured when I was 11 stay with me and well into my early 30s, you know?

• 17:47Alex Cooper?

  When you talk about your relationship with your dad and that shift at 11, I thought it was interesting in the book how you talk about you as a child, you like to spend time alone, right? And there was a shift pre his death and post his death of what that alone time felt and meant to you. Can you talk to me before your father passed about like, what did you like about hanging by yourself and being in your room? Like, what were you doing when you were alone?

• 18:16Speaker 03

  I was just dreaming, dreaming about what I would do in the future, whether it was, because for a while I wanted to be a cartoonist. So thinking about that and, you know, even thinking about being a an actor, that was an early dream of mine.

• 18:35Alex Cooper?

  In the book, you write a lot about how like, school kind of forced you to come to terms with the way that you were different than some kids. Can you talk about what you meant by that?

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Man, I felt that like around when I turned 15 or 16 when I was in high school,

• 18:56Speaker 03

  it was kind of like I'd lost interest with school altogether. And I started to think or kind of know, like I had this feeling that I was like, I don't need algebra. Like, I'm gonna be a rapper one day. You know what I mean? Like, what am I doing here? You know what I mean? Just sitting in class like this is a waste of time. 16, you know what I mean? And I always felt like I would watch other kids and see them focus on the test and see them studying and I'd just be like, like.

• 19:36Speaker 03

  What am I doing here, you know? And like I just, you know, and also I was very like,

• 19:44Speaker 03

  I was the class clown. Like that was, I was goofy as fuck. And that's kind of how I, you know, camouflage the, some of the hurt and pain that I had inside me was to kind of be silly, you know, in some way.

• 20:01Alex Cooper?

  It's interesting because a lot of times on the show, I ask people like, what is your earliest core memory that you can think of in childhood? And you obviously mentioned it and you wrote about it in your memoir of this.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  I've always known it vividly.

• 20:14Alex Cooper?

  Which is so crazy because you were three, right?

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:17Alex Cooper?

  So you're three years old, you're in this car and you remember like your parents are shouting and, and they're going to get a divorce.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:25Alex Cooper?

  Three is so young, but obviously something in your body like brings you back to that moment. And you can remember it and those feelings. Like, can you talk a little bit about when you were writing that? Like what that brought up for you and why you chose to put that in the book?

• 20:41Speaker 03

  Man, I felt that it was perfect because it's, it was set the tone for the book. Because

• 20:50Speaker 03

  maybe some people's first memory is like something pleasant. And this was not like, though in the moment I didn't know that they were getting a divorce, but I saw my mom and dad like yelling at each other for the first time in my mind that I can remember. And like,

• 21:12Speaker 03

  not understanding it, but being scared. And

• 21:19Speaker 03

  from there it was like, you know, it kind of, I felt like it set the tone for what you were gonna read. You know what I mean? And, and. There was a lot of dysfunction in my family. You know what I mean? Between my brother's antics and, and, you know, when I lost my dad and just being angry, angry kid and, and my brother getting in trouble and stuff like that. Me getting in trouble in school.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  And I kind of wanted to set the tone with that. And I felt like that the book had to start with my first memory. I thought it was important to just bring people in on that because some people don't even, can't even remember their first memory, that, that young, three years old.

• 22:03Alex Cooper?

  How do you think your parents'

• 22:08Alex Cooper?

  relationship kind of shaped your early ideas of love?

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Well, the divorce didn't rock me because I saw my mom and dad still have respect for each other.

• 22:23Alex Cooper?

  Which is rare.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, there was a respect there. You know? Like, he didn't, I never saw, other than that first memory, I never really saw my dad and my mom get into it after the divorce. Like, there was always a respect. Like, if, if my dad didn't come, come and see us for two weeks, my mom would be calling him like, yo, get up off your fucking couch and come see these kids. And he'd be like, alright, I'm on my way. You know what I mean? Like, you know, and he just had a respect for her. And it was, it was, so I always look for that, you know, in relationships. And I don't think I always had that. Like, you know, some relationships I did and there were other problems we had. But that's like the core thing that I look for.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  It's like, man, like, just seeing my mom take care of my dad when he was dying. Like, and my dad had three wives. My mom was the third. You know what I mean? So like, nobody else came to take care of him. Nobody checked in. You know, we paid for the funeral. You know, um.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  And I just saw, I was like, man, that's what I want. Like, I want to ride or die. You know what I mean? Somebody that's gonna take care of me, you know, no matter what, you know? So I always kept that in mind and, and, um, yeah, I just thought that was a real powerful thing to see as a kid.

• 23:47Alex Cooper?

  Reading that, that was like, nice to see for you that you had that vision of like, oh, it can be amicable. And it can just be family. You don't need to be in love and together, but at least we're all still riding for each other and showing up for each other.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:01Alex Cooper?

  After the divorce, you lived with your mom.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:04Alex Cooper?

  Your relationship with your mom sounds incredible and lovely. Can you talk about though, growing up when you were young, what it was like?

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Man, me and my mom were very close. I was like her little partner in crime. Like when she went to go run errands, I was there. So you want to come meet her, go to the store? I'm like, yeah, sure. Like just hanging around. I was that kid. And then when people would come like, oh my God, how old are you? I would just hide behind her leg like, no.

• 24:32Alex Cooper?

  Why can I like literally picture that?

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, like I was super shy and, you know, my mom would be like, tell me how old you are. And I'm like, five.

• 24:42Alex Cooper?

  You're like, mom, who the fuck is that weirdo?

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Who is this person? I never wanted to meet strangers. I was always like, who is this? But, um, no, like we, we just, we've always, and I, and my mom lived in LA from 2023 to just, uh, this weekend, she moved back to Cleveland. And it was so sad for me because, and I gave her a copy of the memoir. And I signed it for her. And, um, it was so sad for me. Like I, I, I cried. I, I haven't like cried like in that way about like that.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  I felt like I I really cherished her being in L A. I spent years, like fifteen years away from her, her living in Cleveland, me living in L A, only seeing her on holidays. And she was out here and I could just drive thirty minutes to see her. And that's something I always wanted was my mom to live in L A with me like and kick it. And like, I just like not like, it was it was brief because then I thought about it. I was because I was it was coming from a place from like this place of saying like, I'm gonna be alone now.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  But then I realized like, I'm married. Like I have a wife that's gonna hold me down. You know what I mean? This is not like before Scott, like four years ago when you were living in your own and like, you had no one around, like you have a partner. You know what I mean? So then I was like, oh, that's right. You know, I'm not alone. I'm not, what am I saying? You know, um.

• 26:34Alex Cooper?

  Why is she leaving?

• 26:36Speaker 03

  She is, she was here because she was dealing with some health issues and I got her the best doctors in L A. But her life is in Cleveland. She has all these friends there and she doesn't really know anybody out here. And it was good because, you know, um, we needed to get her to some good doctors. You know what I mean? Um, but we got it all set up in um, in Cleveland now. And um, you know, she just wanted to be back home with her friends and you know, she's trying to kick it.

• 27:08Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  You know.

• 27:09Alex Cooper?

  I got a life too, Scott.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  She's like, I got friends, like I got a life, a whole life that I don't have anymore, you know?

• 27:14Alex Cooper?

  I'm your life, mom.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I was I was literally keeping her hostage. Like I was like, you're not going back. You're staying here with me. But but you know what was crazy? When I was a kid. I used to come up to my mom when I was like four or five years old. And I say, Mom, when I get older, you're gonna live with me and my wife. And she would be like, boy, you ain't gonna want me to live in the house with you. So right when she moved in, I was like, didn't I tell you, you was gonna live with me one day? And she just laughed. I was like, I wasn't playing games. I was dead serious.

• 27:46Alex Cooper?

  I kept my word.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:48Alex Cooper?

  She's like, shit, okay?

• 27:49Speaker 03

  You did say that. I was like, I told you, it's not a game.

• 27:52Alex Cooper?

  She's now the one that's like, I'm leaving, actually. It's cracked up to me. I'm gonna fuck out of here. Um, okay, let's circle back to your father. I, we're gonna talk, obviously, about the moment with his death and how it impacted you. I know we've kind of touched it, but before we get there, I do want to go back a little bit. Hearing your relationship with your mother growing up. You talk about your struggles with your relationship, growing up with your father in the book. Um, can you talk about what do you think was preventing you guys from being close?

• 28:26Speaker 03

  I think it was my age, like really, like he, cause my older siblings kind of got a different side of him that I never got a chance to get, cause I was just so young, you know? And I think, like, sometimes he would open up to me and give me advice and stuff like that.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  But, you know, it wasn't like what my older siblings were getting, you know, the information, you know? Like even my sister, Maisha, like she has so many stories about like her and dad spending time together and, and like, you know, she told me this one story about how like they were in the backyard looking at butterflies and like catching butterflies. And he told her that like, you know, if you sing to a butterfly, it'll come to you, you know? Something really beautiful like that. And I'm just like, I don't have those memories with my dad. You know what I mean? Like, we just never, we never bonded in that way, you know? I mean, I know he loved me. You know what I'm saying?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  He was definitely loving and like caring and all that. But he was very, he was a very serious man. And when I think about my dad's life, you know, he was in World War II in the air force. Like, he saw some shit. You know what I'm saying? And like, he just was just a real, serious dude. I mean, so he had a silly side sometimes, but it'd be very rare. You know what I mean?

• 29:55Alex Cooper?

  When you look back, like, how do you feel the distance that you had from your dad growing up impacted you before his death? Like, whether it was your personality or the way that you would move at home?

• 30:08Speaker 03

  It, it fucked me up because

• 30:13Speaker 03

  I would always hope getting older would bring me closer to my dad. And it, and it got ripped away from me, that possibility. You know what I mean? And like, literally, I thought like, who's gonna teach me how to be a man now? You know? Like, I thought that, like, at 12, 13, you know? Like, who's gonna give me advice on women and like, you know, things like that, you know?

• 30:42Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, that's interesting, because it's like you're saying, in your core, you know, a big part of why you couldn't be as close is because of your age. Being the youngest, you're watching your older siblings have these different relationships. And in your head, as a kid, all you obviously want is to be close to your parents and be loved by your parents. And so you're like, all right, my time is coming. My time is fucking coming. Once I hit that age, and then your dad passes away when you're 11.

• 31:10Alex Cooper?

  How did you even like process that grief when it all happened?

• 31:14Speaker 03

  I didn't.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  I didn't. Opportunity like it didn't happen.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Like I, I, I, it was

• 31:24Speaker 03

  no time to really,

• 31:28Speaker 03

  you know, grieve because it's four of us, right? And my sister took it the hardest.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  She was 18 at the time. And yeah, she took it the hardest. And

• 31:44Speaker 03

  you know, I, I was that kid like, hey, I don't wanna, I don't wanna be an extra burden to anybody. Like, let me just kinda keep to myself and keep on chugging along and, and you know, not worry my mom. Just be cool.

• 32:04Alex Cooper?

  That's what's so weird about family and sibling dynamics is like, I'm also the youngest and you kinda, you just have your dynamics where you know, like whether if the oldest is more introverted or extrovert or whatever, then the next one applies to like, it acts however, works with the one above. And it's all this shit. So hearing you be like, my sister was the most outwardly affected and upset.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:30Alex Cooper?

  You obviously kept it inside and pretended like it didn't happen. Obviously that level of grief is still in you.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:38Alex Cooper?

  It just wasn't being shown and you didn't know how to process it. Like, can you try to explain how losing your father started to show up a little bit in your life a- after he'd passed?

• 32:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, um,

• 32:53Speaker 03

  I feel like it was like a immediate thing, like, uh,

• 32:58Speaker 03

  school became really less important. And, uh, I was getting in trouble and, you know, stressing my mom out more and acting out because I was just an angry teen, you know?

• 33:20Speaker 03

  And

• 33:22Speaker 03

  that was pretty much my whole teens, my whole middle school, high school. You know, um, I was just not a good student, didn't apply myself.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  And I say it was like that, even well into my career, like, once I got successful, I was just, you know, at the core of me was just anger, you know?

• 33:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, because it was, like you said, it was stripped from me, like,

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:00Alex Cooper?

  my future of learning all these things and these memories, like, I don't have. And so then you kind of like dissociate and you just go about your life and then it keeps seeping out. And you're saying like you're experiencing this anger. I know you write, though, about, obviously, like, how now you are who you are.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 34:19Alex Cooper?

  There was an outlet and that happened to be writing. Talk to me about how you started to lean more towards that and put your feelings into your writing.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Man, um, you know, it was like this thing where I didn't have, like, well, I'm not saying I couldn't talk to my mom.

• 34:40Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure she, you know, could have said something amazing to get me out of my funk. But I still felt like I needed to have these, like, private, you know, writings to myself with my thoughts. And it was, it was like important for me at the time to have some type of outlet to express myself. And, uh, a lot of the times I would just sit there and just write about, like,

• 35:21Speaker 03

  the pain I was feeling or like a memory that me and my dad shared, uh, the funeral, what it was like, what I saw, um.

• 35:31Speaker 03

  And and that kind of like informed the Kid Cudi stuff too. Once I got going and writing music, like being honest and telling my story and my talking about my feelings was like key components to my earlier recordings.

• 35:47Alex Cooper?

  I also think what you just said about your mom and you being like, I probably could have gone to her, but I really needed an outlet. Like whether anyone is trying to get into music or not, I think that writing in general, your feelings is at first, it can feel foreign to some people because they're like, what the fuck will I write? But when you're going to have a conversation like you're with your mom or a friend or a family member, you're just now trying to basically say something and look for something back that will make you feel better. When you're pen to paper, sitting there alone, you're getting nothing back. So you're forced to just like keep going and going and opening up more and more and more. And then you're just realizing how much there is. And it's therapeutic.

• 36:29Alex Cooper?

  In times it hurts, but it feels like that early Kid Cudi stage, like you said, there was a lot of anger.

• 36:36Alex Cooper?

  And it makes sense why the writing could be therapeutic to you because at least you were putting it somewhere.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:42Alex Cooper?

  Right?

• 36:42Speaker 03

  There was some release. Yeah.

• 36:45Alex Cooper?

  You drop out of college and you decide to pursue music full time.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:52Alex Cooper?

  How did you decide that was the right decision? And how did your mom feel?

• 36:57Speaker 03

  My mom was, I mean, I tried. I wasn't really in it. You know, I hated the classes, like my grades there were terrible. My only class that I got good grades in was English.

• 37:11Alex Cooper?

  There you go. See, Scott?

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Like English, I was on fire.

• 37:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you were.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying? When it came time to write an essay, I was like, what is about? How many pages? 10, 20? I got you. Like I was the best essay writer. Like my pen game was strong.

• 37:27Alex Cooper?

  Of course.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  But, uh, um, yeah, she, you know, understood it, you know, and, and I was passionate about music and.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  She had no choice but to support me, you know? She had to, she, what's she gonna do, like, leave me out there on my own in New York? You know what I mean? She had to like, you know, honor me and, and, and let me go out and pursue my dreams.

• 37:56Alex Cooper?

  Was there ever a point that you considered, early days, giving up?

• 38:01Speaker 03

  No. I was crazy.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  I was out of my mind. There was no, there was no, there was no glimmer of hope. There was nothing in the distance that would make me feel like this was gonna happen. But I knew, like, I was just like, this, this is, I dream it and I can see it crystal clear in my mind. Like, I can see it, I can touch it. It's right there in front of me. I gotta get there. And before I left

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Cleveland, I had this moment where I was smoking a cigarette and I sat on my, on my Honda, right? And

• 38:56Speaker 03

  I looked up at the sky and I was like, God,

• 39:03Speaker 03

  I know that this is the right thing to do, me moving to New York.

• 39:10Speaker 03

  I'm gonna do everything I can to get where I wanna go. I just need you to meet me halfway. Like, if I'm doing the right thing, just give me a sign. And I looked up at the clouds, of course, I didn't see anything. But

• 39:28Speaker 03

  I just like left, finished my cigarette, went back in the house. And I was just like, I had armor. You know what I mean? I had like armor on my back. I was like, oh, he got me. You know, he gonna hold me down, you know?

• 39:41Alex Cooper?

  And then, day and night?

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:45Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely changed your life?

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 39:50Alex Cooper?

  Tell me about how you wrote that song and how it came to you, because it is kind of like, you looked up at the sky and maybe there wasn't a sign then, but you kind of write about it in your memoir, like? It eventually happened.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, so the melody just came to me one day, just fucking around.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Me and my cousin Richie, my family out in Brooklyn, in New York.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  We would always joke around and make songs, silly songs and shit like that. And I had essentially the day and night melody as like a silly song that we would do and sing together.

• 40:30Alex Cooper?

  Like, what were you singing?

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Like, we were singing like the day and night melodies, but like, you know, it didn't have lyrics or anything. It was just like.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  And I was just like, it, right? So I had this melody like in my head for months, for months. And I finally get in the studio with Dot and I'm like, bro, I got this joint. I really think it's fire. I think I need you to just make this beat. I'm gonna give you the melody and we're gonna put it together. And like, we, we cooked it. It took about two days and

• 41:17Speaker 03

  it was just magic. It was the, because the melody just came to me out of nowhere. The universe just downloaded this melody into my head. And like, I don't know where it came from, but it just stuck in my head and it never happens to me. It's not like I get melodies and they stay with me for months, you know? It never happens. I always forget it. Like, minutes later, I'm like, fuck, what was that melody? If I don't put it in my phone, it's gone, you know? So like, for some reason, I don't know if this is before the drugs got me.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  No, I think this is before the drugs got me, so my mind was a little bit stronger. But, uh, stay away from cocaine. But.

• 42:02Alex Cooper?

  Kids, you're watching? Shit, and there it was.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:08Alex Cooper?

  Did you realize immediately, once it was live, that your life was about to change forever?

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I knew. Like I knew it, but I've been crazy this whole time.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  I've been crazy for a while now at this point. So it's like I had nothing to lose. I had shit to lose. I don't even think at that point I had a job. Like I had nothing to lose. I was out there in New York. I had a place to stay. That was, that's the one thing people are worried about, you know, where they're gonna fucking stay. I had a place to stay. Um, I had a collaborator I was, I, I, I was building a rapport with that we had crazy chemistry. Um, like I had nothing to lose. I believed in Dot, like he believed in me. And it was, it was pure magic. It was pure magic, like how I found Dot, how we became like, I worked at Abercrombie and Fish.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  I met Rillawan in the stockroom where we were folding clothes, freestyling together. He said, yo, I got a producer you should meet. It's my dude Dot. He's real fucking dope. Met up with Dot, got in the studio with him, cooked three records in one night. And I was like, oh, this dude is like, he ill. And plus Dot is like classically trained, like crazy pianist. You know what I mean? Like, um, and, uh, yeah, it was just, that's something, that's the angels brought us together, man.

• 43:38Alex Cooper?

  When you even explain that story, like I can see you physically lighting up because obviously that time in your life was probably feels worlds away and also like it was yesterday maybe, but what does it make you feel for like young Scott? Working at Abercrombie, I love how like it was so random Abercrombie, love that. Shout out Abercrombie. It all went down.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  The fucking soundtrack in the store was intense. There was this one song that they did. I used to come, every time it came on, I ran out to the floor to listen to it. It was this one remix of, um, if you're going to San Francisco. Like it came on and I'll just be out there like, oh, eh, jamming every time. It was me and a couple of other people who really liked the song too.

• 44:25Alex Cooper?

  They're like, Scott, back to the desk. What the fuck are you doing?

• 44:29Speaker 03

  They'd be pissed coming, me coming out on the floor and I'm not bringing out clothes. But, um, nah, like just how that happened, you know, like.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  Me just getting, and I was so happy about getting the Apple Crumbby job because I was like, oh, I can, there's so many young people there.

• 44:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  I can meet people my age, make friends. I didn't really have any friends at this time.

• 44:48Alex Cooper?

  But that was something that I thought was really interesting. You wrote about how this happens. But then you're still going to that job. And I remember one of the lines you write, you're like, I'm standing there. People are like, oh, my God, Cuddy, like, your music is fucking awesome. I'll take a size medium.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:08Alex Cooper?

  And you were like, I need to get the fuck out of here. Like, how did it feel when you started having your first fan interactions? Like, did, were you cool with it? Was it starting to feel a little uncomfortable immediately?

• 45:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was uncomfortable immediately.

• 45:24Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think that is?

• 45:25Speaker 03

  Because, uh,

• 45:31Speaker 03

  I don't think, uh,

• 45:35Speaker 03

  in my mind, I was ready

• 45:40Speaker 03

  for that energy. Like,

• 45:45Speaker 03

  I was not prepared. And I don't think there's anything that anyone could have told me to prepare me. But I was not prepared for it.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  I wasn't at the time built for it. And, uh,

• 46:06Speaker 03

  it threw me off. It, it, because you spend, what, 24 years of your life just being a dude?

• 46:15Speaker 03

  You know? And then all of a sudden, you are the fucking man. And then, you know, you can tell when people, when you meet people and they have interest in you only because of who you are. They don't know who you are. And you can see, just looking in their face, looking in their eyes, you can tell when someone's being genuine and they're always not. You know, it's always someone putting on a, a fucking role. You know what I mean? And it was, it was very, uh,

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, fuck me up, man. And that's what drove me to to using hardcore drugs like cocaine, you know. Um, I really, uh, just needed something to, uh,

• 47:02Speaker 03

  calm my nerves when I went out or, you know,

• 47:08Speaker 03

  just do certain things that like even just really was leaving leaving the house. Cause if I didn't do cocaine, I'd be in the house all day long. But like if I did coke, then I was like, oh shit, now it's time to hit the streets and had energy. And it was, if I met fans, I'd it'd be different. Cause I like, I'm just on the shit. So I'm just like, hey, what's up, man? What's up? I want to talk to everybody, you know?

• 47:29Alex Cooper?

  I want to get to that, but I just had a thought when you were saying, you know, you weren't prepared for this. And I agree. Like, I don't know if anyone is, but I'm, I want your opinion on like, in your personal life. I know I wrote down, you had written, becoming Kid Cudi was supposed to overhaul the entire world Scott had known. And then you get to fame and you're like, what the fuck is this shit? You mentioned the relationships in your life, you starting to have to be like, are you here for the right reasons? Are you here for the, can you recall like any specific moment in your life where you remember being like, oh, fuck, like I'm completely, whether it's being used or this is a fake relationship that I just didn't see and they're in it because I'm famous?

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Um, there were definitely moments with like women, you know, uh,

• 48:20Speaker 03

  you know, trying to, uh, navigate, you know, just being single in New York and successful is, man, it's hard, you know, and.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  It was just, it was fucking like hard. And a lot of people that I was kicking it with, I usually party with. We just get fucked up, you know? So it wasn't like anything good.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  It was all just rock and roll and madness. And, you know, it just started to eat away at me like after a while, you know, I just, it's like, this is not serving me. It's not making me happy, you know?

• 49:20Alex Cooper?

  You wrote about a few of your relationships in the book, one of them being Cassie. Obviously, that is always going to be a big conversation.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 49:30Alex Cooper?

  Online. And you were with her, obviously, during a very dark time of what she was going through with Diddy. During that time, your house was broken into, your car was lit on fire. What do you just like overall remember about that time and that relationship in your life?

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• 51:37Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, that is always going to be a big conversation.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 51:42Alex Cooper?

  Online. And you were with her, obviously, during a very dark time of what she was going through with Diddy. During that time, your house was broken into, your car was lit on fire. What do you just like overall remember about that time and that relationship in your life?

• 52:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was. It was crazy, man, like, you know.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Man.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  In the moment, it was just crazy.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  Like.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  I have, I had a hard time understanding if it was reality. I was like, am I in a movie? What the fuck is going on? And like.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  It's so great. You have to, you read the book, right?

• 52:46Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  I want you to listen to the memoir. I scored the memoir. I was just in the studio last night. I finished it up, right? So like I score a lot of different bits in the book. And in this moment, I scored a lot of different beats and it brings it to life. But it was, it was, you know, just chaotic and, and

• 53:11Speaker 03

  intense.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  And.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  You know.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  I, I, I wasn't like.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Like, I was already out of my mind dealing with my own personal shit.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  So, um.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  I was really just like.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Fuck it, you know, like, um.

• 53:48Speaker 03

  I was, I, I just was willing to walk into the fire and, and. So, I, it's just, it was just, in my, I always thought about it before all this stuff happened and it came, came out again. I just, over the years, I just thought about it as like, just. Some wild shit that happened in my, in my rock and roll life, you know what I'm saying? Like, just, I just, you know.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  It was just some crazy shit that happened, you know?

• 54:20Alex Cooper?

  Um, you testified in court.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:24Alex Cooper?

  How did you feel going into that situation?

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  I felt I was calm. You know? I. I was just, I was there because I had to be. Like, I, I, at first they asked, I said, no.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  They asked again, I said, no.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  Then I got subpoenaed. And I was like, fuck. Shit, no. Then I'm thinking about like, what do I wear, man? Do I have to be like fucking suit or something? I was like, man, fuck this shit. I'm wearing, this is what I'm wearing today. I'm going to the fucking shit in this. I don't, I'm not dressing up for this shit. Like, wearing some hard bottoms to shit, I'm wearing some fucking Solomons. And I'm coming in there with my Levi's and my leather jacket and that's it, you know? But I, I hated every minute of it. Like, I, I did not want to do it. But then I thought about, you know, when I was up there, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm here to support Cassie.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  And, you know, Cassie is my friend, you know, and, and, and.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  I love her and I wanna see her do well. When I saw her get married, I was so happy for her. You know, that she found someone, her person. When I saw that she was having kids, I was like, oh, this is so awesome. You know what I mean? Like, I've always just wanted to see her, you know, thrive and do well and be happy. You know, cuz I know she was living a nightmare. And I just was there to support her. That's what I, that's what kinda gave me peace with it. When I, when I sat down in that chair, it was just about, damn, I don't wanna do this to being like, oh, man, I gotta like, hold homegirl down and like, you know, look out for her, you know?

• 56:24Alex Cooper?

  No, that's beautiful. Looking back, obviously not at everything that was done in court, when you actually were like, living all of this as we described, where you were like, it felt literally like otherworldly. I'm like, is this my life right now? How did that experience affect the way that you felt about people in this industry? And just like what you had gotten yourself into in your career?

• 56:49Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I already had a, like, I was already standoffish from the industry. So it just made me even more.

• 56:55Alex Cooper?

  Freaked out.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, man, this shit is crazy, you know? So I was already kinda sheltered in my own little space with my small group of friends. But this is like, and that's kinda like the thing about LA. It's like, if you see me somewhere, it's like they're seeing like a monk that they haven't seen in like a hundred years. And, oh, hey, here, he don't be nowhere. Like, you don't see me, I'm not out in these streets.

• 57:27Alex Cooper?

  You just don't go out?

• 57:28Speaker 03

  I don't go out.

• 57:29Alex Cooper?

  You don't leave your house?

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Like, well, I, I don't now and I didn't in my 30s, really.

• 57:35Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so you just were like, keeping to yourself for a while?

• 57:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:39Alex Cooper?

  That's why I wanna go to, I know you wrote in the book and you mentioned a couple of times, but let's get more into it. You say that grappling with fame essentially is what kinda pushed you towards drugs?

• 57:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:52Alex Cooper?

  What do you remember feeling the first time that you tried cocaine?

• 57:56Speaker 03

  A hundred percent happiness.

• 58:03Speaker 03

  It was like.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  The feeling I got was nothing I had ever felt before.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  It was fucking magical.

• 58:19Speaker 03

  And...

• 58:22Speaker 03

  But I will say this.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  That's the only time it felt like that.

• 58:30Speaker 03

  All the other times after, I was just chasing that first high. And it was never getting there. It never felt like that first time ever again.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  Like...

• 58:42Alex Cooper?

  It's good to clarify.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, I just wanna... I know kids might be watching this podcast, you know what I'm saying? I don't wanna be like saying like...

• 58:52Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no. I think it's part of your story. And I know we're getting to like, obviously, that was a huge part of... We'll get to rehab and recovery, but still, like, there was a part of your life where you were at a place where you were relying on drugs. And that's your story. And that's... But you're also here today to tell the story. And I think there's a lot of people that don't have the courage to even say these type of things out loud and like, own that. And I think this, another reason why, again, you are so successful is because you're connecting with people on real shit. Like, there's probably also a lot of fucking people listening and watching today that have an addiction. So, hearing you acknowledge that, like, I think it's, thank you, honestly.

• 59:39Alex Cooper?

  So, you talk about how you only would do coke alone.

• 59:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:43Alex Cooper?

  Why was that?

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Uh, I think I just... It was just supposed to be my little secret. Like, I didn't want it to be like a known thing that like, I did coke around the industry. That would've spread fast, you know? So, I just like, kinda kept it to myself. Doesn't mean like, people couldn't tell I was on it. You know what I mean? Like, people could probably figure it out, you know?

• 1:00:05Alex Cooper?

  You write about how your album, Speeding Bullet to Heaven. It was written essentially during one of the darkest times of your life.

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Alex Cooper?

  Can you talk to me about where you were at mentally while writing that album?

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Oh, I wanted to die, for sure.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  I I was like, fuck it. I'm just gonna play the guitar and shred and I don't give a fuck if people like it or not. This is what I, this is how I feel. I just feel angry as fuck. And I just wanted an excuse to like scream on records, you know, and express that that anger.

• 1:00:44Alex Cooper?

  You said essentially that you wanted that album to be your goodbye.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Alex Cooper?

  Like you were planning on taking your life and you either wanted to do it during or after it released or you weren't sure, but like that was gonna be your goodbye.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:59Alex Cooper?

  Did anyone close to you in your life know that you were struggling that bad?

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Um, I don't think so. I kept it, cause when I was around my friends, I was happy to not be alone. So I was like back to, you know what I mean? I could, I could keep it to myself, you know? I never wanted to worry my friends. There's some people that deal with these things and they like to like

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  put it on other people and shit. I never wanted that to be. I don't want people to be, oh man, Scott calling me again. He's, you know what I mean? Like I was like, look, I'm gonna just deal with my shit by myself. Like, I'll be cool. I can maintain. I got a daughter. I want to be here for her. You know what I mean? Like, just all the thoughts that I need to think to keep me from going down that dark path.

• 1:01:54Alex Cooper?

  What was your rock bottom moment?

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Man.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  I think it was

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  it was during that time. Uh, 2016 was bad too. That's when I finally went to rehab.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  Cause I, cause I relapsed and started using again.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  I would say from 2015 to 2016, it was like the decline getting just darker and darker and darker. And, um, suicide was on my mind like all the time. Like I would like daydream about the shit, you know? And I just

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  when I finally, when I relapsed and I was like, uh,

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Kind of faced with this reality like damn like it's been six years since I've used this shit. And I thought I was past that and I'm obviously not. Like that was fucking fucking me up, you know.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  It was just kind of like, man, I don't want to go in circles. Like I'm supposed to like be off this shit. I'm getting older. I'm in my 30s. Like, people don't want to keep seeing you be a fuck up. You got to get your life together, bro. You're not in your 20s no more. You're not just out here. You know what I mean? So it was kind of like this reality check I needed and I wouldn't got help. You know, I, I, I, I'm glad I did at the time, at that time, because, you know, uh,

• 1:03:43Speaker 03

  something would have happened for sure, you know what I mean? And, uh,

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  ever since then, like I haven't been, like, yeah, I get down about some things, but then I get over it. Like before shit would hit me for like weeks. Something bad happens, I'm like in the house for weeks, just like miserable. But, you know, ever since 2016, I've been like

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  a thousand times better. Like, it's so funny because like Lola, we were hanging out one time, it was like maybe two years ago. And she, um,

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  we were, we were talking about, uh, 2010 for me and what I was going through and all this shit. And I, um, told her I got arrested, you know, um, and they found drugs on me. And she was like, what? And I was like, alright, let me find the article and let you read this shit. So she's reading it.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  And she starts laughing. She's like, I don't know who this person is. She's like, all I know is the sweet Scott that I've known for like years now. Like, I don't know, this is so funny to me. I mean, I'm not even concerned because I know you're past this point in your life. I know that enough to know that, you know? And like, she just looks at it like, it's a silly thing. You know, and then it made me kind of, in that moment, I found peace with it because I always just kind of,

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  you know, bummed out about that. You know, I thought that, you know, it was like a dent in my armor a little bit.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  But that made me feel okay about it. I was like, damn, my, my girl's not even like,

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  judging me. She's like laughing like, what the fuck? Like, this is fucking crazy. Like, you know?

• 1:06:02Alex Cooper?

  That's really interesting, though, to like, think about that, that you had, understandably, you lived it. That was you, you.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Alex Cooper?

  I mean, reading in the book and everyone, please go read it, but there's like that really hard moment where you were like, I literally took so much coke that I'm like laying on the floor. And then like I wake up and I'm like, it's a complete different day. And you were like, I'm on my back and I'm like, I think this is it. Like, I think, and thinking about that version, thinking about that article version, all of this. And then your wife now is like, you're not that person though anymore. Sometimes it does take someone to pull you out of, because we've lived it and it's still a part of you, but it's not you anymore.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Alex Cooper?

  And that's really beautiful that she was able to just be like, I got you, I got you, okay? That's not you anymore, okay?

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:56Alex Cooper?

  And you're like, oh shit, I guess it's not.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:06:59Alex Cooper?

  But can you talk about rehab? Because I do think it's, um, really. Interesting, the way that you write about this moment specifically about how it also kind of forced you going to rehab to process a lot of the trauma, right? Like, you had not even thought about how to process your father. And now you're in rehab and you're starting to talk about your mental health for the first time. Like, can you share a little bit about what that was like for you?

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Man, it was, it was freeing for me.

• 1:07:32Speaker 03

  There was a lot of things that, you know, I hadn't talked about ever, you know? And it was very frustrating at first. You know, I was just having some stranger ask you really personal questions about your life. And in, in rehab, the therapy is like, you know, some of the sessions can be kind of heavy, you know? Just the, the, the approach that the therapist may take. But there's other therapists in there that are super cool. But, uh, yeah, it was, it was, it was difficult at first, but then it got easier.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  The more I felt comfortable with the people, um, allowed me to open up about things that, that I was hurt about, um, from long ago as a, as a kid, that I didn't know really affected me. And, um, it was a beautiful thing because by the time I was, I was in there for a month. By the time I left, you know, I was feeling a whole lot better, you know? As you know, I had a stroke. So I was coming out of that, it was maybe like two weeks and I was still, you know, I had, uh, you know, slow speech and, and, you know, I was doing kind of therapy every

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  week with this lady that kind of played these little games and like, uh, where they like show you a picture of a dog or a cat or something and you have to like say dog. And like, I would just look at the picture of a dog and be like.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  I can't, I couldn't fucking say it, you know? That was scary, man. I, I, I was like, man, I don't know. I was like, dear God, I was like, please let me bounce back from this. That was super scary, but I, all throughout that, even though I was dealing with the, the, the stroke stuff, you know, um, I was still very much happy. Like I was on, I was in the light, you know? And I just felt

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  brand new, all of a sudden, I just felt brand new. It was crazy.

• 1:09:50Alex Cooper?

  You mentioned, um, you talked through a lot of things eventually as you started to feel comfortable in rehab, that you were like, okay, I had kind of been carrying this, that I didn't realize I was carrying it. Like, do you have anything you could share that was something you were able to kind of let go of? That you realized had been really weighing you down for so fucking long?

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it was, uh, it was really truly my anger. I was a hothead for a long time, a long time. And that was my main issue.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  And

• 1:10:29Speaker 03

  whether it was being mad at ex-girlfriends or

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  mad at my mom about something or, you know, just angry at life itself. Like I, I was able to kind of overcome that, you know? And it was like, for me, that was what was secretly like

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  weighing me down, holding me back. Cause I, I'm like, in my core, what I realized is that like, no, I'm, it's like, Scott, you're a good dude. You're this, you know some shitty people and you're not a shitty person, you know? So it was like I had that, you know? And I like at times you would see this good dude. Like if you, if me and you met when I was 28, you would have not known the difference. I mean, I would have been high as a kite, but you know, I still would have been chill and like, you know what I mean? But like, like you wouldn't have walked away from the conversation like worried about me. You know what I mean? But like, um, yeah, it's, it's all, it's all different, you know?

• 1:11:41Alex Cooper?

  Do you have any, from your experience, any words of advice to anyone listening? Who maybe is actually currently right now going through their rock bottom moment?

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  Man, I had a conversation with a good friend of mine, Omar.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  A month ago.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  And he was telling me, he was like, man,

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  when you in your darkest moment, like, and you like wondering why God is doing this? Like,

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  think that like maybe he's like, teach you a lesson. You don't, might not get it yet, but there's a lesson here. He's trying to help you grow or something, understand something like there's a message. This is not just happening for no reason, you know? And I think that that was one of the things, learning that, like hearing him say that. Cause I was dealing with some stressful shit and.

• 1:12:59Speaker 03

  When he did that, I started like, oh, that's right, because I need to do this better and like, get off that shit and oh, fuck, oh, damn, okay, I get it, you know? So I feel like in life, when you're dealing with something, just always take a step back. Always take a step back and, and think about the bigger picture. There's a lesson here, you know? And all these lessons, all the things you learn will mold you into the human you're gonna be in the future. If you're young, you know what I mean? In your teens, early twenties, like, just keep this in mind, like, you know, um,

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  everything happens on purpose. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's, it's meant to go that, that way. You know what I mean? It's all part of the design, you know?

• 1:13:56Alex Cooper?

  And I think when you have that perspective, like you're saying, like, fuck, this is happening

• 1:14:02Alex Cooper?

  for a reason, it also then inherently gives someone hope if they have that perspective.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Alex Cooper?

  Like, someone in that situation right now, listening to you is like, oh, there's, i-if he's up there and he's doing this for a reason, I'm learning, and there's a lesson in this. Like, it gives you hope that there's like another chapter coming.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:14:23Alex Cooper?

  You gotta just push through the discomfort and the pain, and not saying it's fucking easy, but it gives you something to look forward to. There is then a light that you can like focus on and be like, okay, I fucking got this.

• 1:14:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:36Alex Cooper?

  You write about how you saw this shift in your life after learning to love yourself, which sounds maybe simple to people, but I think there's a lot of people who don't, and it's actually a lot harder than it is to like yourself and then to love yourself is another fucking step.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:55Alex Cooper?

  What did self-acceptance change for you?

• 1:15:15Alex Cooper?

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• 1:17:22Speaker 03

  Oh man, I think I was able to be nicer to myself.

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  Like, that was, that was one thing. It was just like, Scott, you're doing alright. Like, look at what you've accomplished. Even when you was dealing with shit, like, when you were your most depressed, you still made art. You know what I mean? And it's helping people. You know what I mean? Like, like, you're okay. Like, you're all good. And this is before Lola. I was thinking this way. So I was alone, didn't really have nothing going on. I was on and off again with this one girl, but I knew that shit wasn't gonna work out. And, you know, but

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  it was different. Like, I, I was, like, I was

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  in love with myself for the first time in my life, you know?

• 1:18:14Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about your wife.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:17Alex Cooper?

  Um, you need to tell me the story of how you guys met.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Okay, so I walked in Virgil Abloh's, uh, first Louis Vuitton show in Paris. And we met while I was doing a fitting. And, um, she took pictures of me for, uh, the board. And, you know, I'm just sitting there and I'm just looking at this, I'm standing there and I'm looking at this girl. And I'm like, yo, who is this little cutie? Like, with these glasses? Like, she's so cute. And

• 1:18:56Speaker 03

  she takes my picture. She's like, "Okay, thank you."

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  I'm like, "Okay, about our business. I like that. Not tripping on me. Cool, cool." Man, if I see her again, I'm gonna ask for her number. You know what I mean? And literally right after the show,

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  all I could think about was, was meeting the girl with the glasses. Like, I was just running around. Like, that was like the only thing on my mind. And I saw her. She was like, standing right there, talking to one of her homegirls. And I went up, I didn't even introduce myself. I didn't even ask her name. I was just like, because I had to leave. I had to get changed and shit. And I don't know if I changed or if I was still in the outfit from the show. But, um, I was rushing to get to my crew so we could leave. And I just came up on her and I was like, hey, excuse me, can I ask you a question? She's like, yeah. I was like, do you have a boyfriend?

• 1:19:55Alex Cooper?

  Scott.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  I just would cut straight to the chase. Cause I don't wanna waste my time, man. I was like, I don't wanna get my hopes up. You know, like, like being thirsty about this girl. She got a man, you know what I mean? So I just wanted to get straight to the point. She said no. I was like, in my head, I was like, perfect. And I was just like, uh, can I have your number? And she was like, yeah. And she gave me your number. Put her name in the phone as Lola, cause I didn't even ask her fucking name.

• 1:20:21Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god.

• 1:20:22Speaker 03

  Such a goof. And we hung out that night at the after party. And it's so funny, cause I had on this, uh, top four suit. The street piece top four suit. And it was, it was. I was too clean. I was too clean. And she's always says, she was like, you tricked me. I was like, what you mean? She was like, first time we hung out, you was in this fly ass suit. I ain't seen you in a suit since. I was like, fuck, you're right.

• 1:20:50Alex Cooper?

  Really? God damn it. She thought she was getting one thing. And I'm in my fucking Solomon, in my ripped jeans. God damn it. I'm sorry. I love you, babe.

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  I know, I know.

• 1:20:59Alex Cooper?

  So real.

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  I told her I'm gonna get back to the suits though. I'm, I'm, I'm trying to get there. I got this thing with YSL going, so like, you know, um, I'm trying to get back to my suits.

• 1:21:08Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you're coming, you're coming back. You're coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:11Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait. So did you guys hit it off immediately though? Or was it a slow burn? Like, did you guys start dating?

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  No, no, no. We were friends for a couple of years, a few years. Yeah, and, um,

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  you know, she, she always told me, she was like, when we first started talking, I always, me and my friends were just like, what does he want from you?

• 1:21:34Alex Cooper?

  Wait, I'm obsessed. That's so girls being like, what the fuck does he want? Like, what's his agenda?

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  She said I would text and be like, and she would be like, Scotty just texted me. And then be like, what does he want? What, what, what the fuck? Like, people would not understand it. And like, I was like, babe, like, let me tell you something. I really liked you. Like, I was like vibing with you, like, like, we, I, I fucked with you. Your energy, you know what I mean? And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm real. You know what I'm saying? And like, I, so that's one of the reasons why I like, I would hit her up because I wanted her to let her know like, hey, like, I'm gonna keep in touch, like, I fuck with you, like, you know what I mean?

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  Like, and she would always respond back and we would talk and it was just like, really organic. So by the time we ended up dating, it was easy because we already knew each other and, and it was just, we were hanging out more days at a time now. Before it was like two days here when I was in town or shit like that. But now we're like, we're really kicking it. We're in Tokyo, spending New Year's, like, hanging out for two weeks and, and, uh, you know, it was, it was great. It was, it kind of build, build really easy.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  And that's kind of one of the things that I loved about it because I don't think, you know, I've connected with someone so easy before and like, in this way, you know? And, you know, it wasn't until she made a few trips to, to LA, where I was kind of like just seeing it, like,

• 1:23:29Speaker 03

  the full picture. She's in my house, like, I see, I see it all, right? And, and then I just, I just asked her, I was like, hey, would you ever think about moving to LA? And she was like, yeah, I could do that. And I was like, shut the fuck up. I was like, are you serious? And she was like, yeah, I could do that. Why not? And I was like, oh, it's on now. And as soon as she said that, I was like, making plans to get the ring. I was doing all the things. Like, I was like, yeah, I was like, on it. I was on it.

• 1:24:06Alex Cooper?

  Wait, how did you propose?

• 1:24:08Speaker 03

  So, we took a trip to Kyoto, because she loves it there. I've never been. And, uh, she hadn't been there in a while. So I was like, oh, let's go to Kyoto. And I planned this thing where we went to go on this tour of temples.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  And one of the temples, I had shut down where there was nobody there. And like-

• 1:24:29Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god. That's good. That's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:31Speaker 03

  And like, it's funny, because I've talked to her about this afterwards, like, if she knew that I was gonna propose, or like, did she see things that were weird? And she was like, well, there was one thing. There were two things. First, your security follows us everywhere. And they stopped, and they didn't follow us in. And I thought that was weird. And then she said like-

• 1:24:56Alex Cooper?

  You're like, fucking, damn it.

• 1:24:59Speaker 03

  And then she said that, like, because I had two, like, lanterns up with our names in English and in Japanese underneath, right? So one said Scott, one said Lola, right? And she was like, what the fuck, like, like, why does he have our names up on the fucking? What is he doing, right? So she was kind of like, not, she did not know the proposal was coming, but she was kind of thrown off, like, thinking it was weird that I had these things planned.

• 1:25:27Alex Cooper?

  You're like, Lola, it's part of the plan, sweetie. Shut up for a second. We'll get there.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  It was so funny, man, because, you know, the proposal went great and

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  everything was magical. But I didn't, like, I had my photographer and my videographer fly out there to capture the footage. But they were like, didn't know when to come out. We didn't plan it. And like, they fucking came out, they were taking pictures, but I was like, behind a big bush. So all you see is like, my knee bent down. You don't see the proposal at all. And like, so we came out, and they came out afterwards, like, hey. And it was kind of cool, because I felt like if they came out before I proposed, Lola would have been like-

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  Why are the cameras here? What, why is like,

• 1:26:20Speaker 03

  you know Brett here?

• 1:26:22Alex Cooper?

  Brett, what the fuck are you doing here? You're like, oh, you're proposing. Right, right. It almost worked out better.

• 1:26:27Speaker 03

  It worked out better. And then so the pictures we have are just us kind of standing on, because we were in like this garden, this really beautiful garden. And um, uh, in this temple. And so we got pictures just like hugging and stuff.

• 1:26:42Alex Cooper?

  I'm obsessed that he took a picture and you can see your fucking kneecap. You're like, thanks Brett, you're fucking fired, dude.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  Like, oh man, I was like, come on, bro.

• 1:26:51Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but your wedding photos?

• 1:26:54Speaker 03

  They came out dope, right?

• 1:26:56Alex Cooper?

  So fucking good. So, you were in a suit?

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Alex Cooper?

  Okay, Lola, see, he's making a comeback.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  I've tried for the wedding. I was thinking about pajamas. I did the suit, I didn't want to embarrass you.

• 1:27:09Alex Cooper?

  Bare minimum, put on a suit for your fucking wedding. What was your favorite moment? If you had to say, I know there's probably so many.

• 1:27:17Speaker 03

  My favorite moment was seeing her walking down.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  Like, that fucked me up. Like, I was crying before she even got to the, to the little altar part. You know, I was like, I was like, fuck, this is my wife? I was just so, I was so geeked. I was like, man. And just seeing, and seeing her walk, and she looks so beautiful. You know, it's the first time you see the dress and like, you know, she kept saying like, I hope you like it, I hope you like it. And like, Lola has amazing taste, man. So I was never, I was never worried. And, and, and um, the person who made her dress, Alan Paul, he's a genius and amazing designer.

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  So um, you know, I trusted them. I knew, I knew I was gonna love it, but seeing it was just, uh, it was beautiful. It was,

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  oh man, it was such a fucking moment. And we filmed everything, so I can't, we're waiting to see like the footage from, because the dude is editing it up and shit. But, uh, I can't wait to see

• 1:28:29Speaker 03

  just that moment again. Because my face, like I literally went like,

• 1:28:36Speaker 03

  I couldn't do it. I was like, I was like.

• 1:28:39Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna ball when you watch it again.

• 1:28:42Speaker 03

  I already know.

• 1:28:43Alex Cooper?

  Like, you're gonna be so mo- I-

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  I'm prepared. I'm prepared. I was trying to, I was trying to keep it together, but then it was just like, man, oh shit, man. You know, it just happened. I like, I was trying to hold back, but then, because I know she was gonna cry and I didn't want us to both be up there like hysterical, so.

• 1:29:01Alex Cooper?

  No, Scott, the worst would be if you're like stone cold face like, come on down.

• 1:29:07Speaker 03

  Hurry up.

• 1:29:07Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, let's go. No, I mean, you see the fucking movies when everyone like turns to look at like what the guy's face is and like, I literally said to my husband, I was like, if you don't fucking cry, then I don't want to marry you. What the fuck? And thank God he was sobbing too. Like, I would be a little scared if it was just like-

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's just like-

• 1:29:26Alex Cooper?

  Fuck is that?

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  Hurry up.

• 1:29:28Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, did you guys write your own vows?

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we wrote, and we literally pinned the paper, wrote them down. And I told her to forgive me because my handwriting is just all over the place, but I was like, really like being patient with every letter and like, you know, to make sure she could read it, you know? Uh, but, uh, yeah, it was great. It was great. And we saved them too. So we're gonna frame them and-

• 1:29:54Alex Cooper?

  Oh, it's amazing. How has Lola ultimately made you a better man?

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:30:01Speaker 03

  I thought I was happy before, but she just put a little extra sauce on it. You know, I feel totally complete and at peace, you know? Because before her, it was, there was something missing. You know, it was always something missing. I felt, I was happy, right? We talked about that journey from rehab and whatever. So I was happy, but I always felt that something was missing. And I've always been like, it's always been my dream to like, be married and have more kids and like, build a little, a little posse of children and like, you know, and-

• 1:30:39Speaker 03

  To have someone that, you know, wants that and respects you and, you know, uplifts you in your darkest moments when you're not feeling confident about work or whatever it may be, like, that's there for you and is a real best friend. You know?

• 1:30:57Alex Cooper?

  It's beautiful because I was gonna say, I feel like, you know, throughout your life, you've been on this pursuit of happiness. No pun intended. And you think you found it.

• 1:31:07Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely.

• 1:31:10Alex Cooper?

  We have to talk about your album, Free. What is the inspiration behind it?

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Man, I think it's really just kind of like

• 1:31:23Speaker 03

  bringing people into like, you know, where I am now, this place in time. The joy I feel, but also talking about, you know, reflecting on past struggles and how I overcame them. You know?

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  And you get that, you get kind of both sides of the album with these first two singles. You get kind of the love song with Neverland and you get this kind of like anthem to overcoming your shit in grave. You know? And that's kind of like the two, it kind of bounces in between those two vibes on the album. Yeah.

• 1:32:02Alex Cooper?

  What is your wife's favorite song?

• 1:32:04Speaker 03

  Brave. Yeah, it was her idea to drop it as a second single. I mean, this, this whole album is like, she was the, she, Lola was the main inspiration behind this album. You know what I mean? Like she, the first round of songs were all love songs. You know what I mean? Like different love songs to her.

• 1:32:24Alex Cooper?

  I mean, I may need to stop listening to this album.

• 1:32:27Speaker 03

  It's definitely, it's, it's, it's cute because it's, it's like.

• 1:32:33Speaker 03

  It's these true feelings that I have for this woman. Like, and I'm singing them to her, you know? And even at the wedding, I, I, I performed Neverland and Grave. And I was singing it to her. And she was just watching me and just like so happy and like it's, it's, it's great, man. Like I, I, you know, having her throughout this whole process was, was great. You know? And she would come to the studio too.

• 1:33:05Alex Cooper?

  You need to tell me.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:33:07Alex Cooper?

  What is your favorite song on the album? And it can't be the two that have been.

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no. Um, my favorite song on the album. I got two, can I say two?

• 1:33:18Alex Cooper?

  You can say two.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  There's a song called Opiate that I really love. And then Saltwater, which is the final song on the album. And, uh, there's more, there's more, but I just wanted to say Opiate for sure. Because it's, it's so fucking groovy and like, um, yeah, people are gonna love it.

• 1:33:50Alex Cooper?

  I'm really excited.

• 1:33:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Um, it's a lot of, it's a lot of bops on there.

• 1:33:57Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:33:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:58Alex Cooper?

  Cause it's pop, right?

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:00Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Which is exciting for you, right? It's like a little different.

• 1:34:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it, that's the thing that people will notice is like, it is different. It's a whole new thing, but it still feels like Cuddy. Yeah.

• 1:34:12Alex Cooper?

  I'm so happy I got to know you today. I, you never know what you're like, I'm sure you didn't know what you were gonna expect sitting down with me, right? You walked in, you literally looked at me, you're like, I don't know, I'm nervous. I was like, there's no reason. But like, how do you feel? Like, I think we had a great conversation. I thought that was lovely.

• 1:34:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was fantastic. I feel great.

• 1:34:29Alex Cooper?

  Again, like I said earlier, getting to know an artist, we know so much about you through your music, but to hear. You talk more in depth about your life story and what's made you you and what's made you Scott. Kid Cudi is fucking awesome, but the layers that you've allowed us all to see, I think, has only made me personally a bigger fan because I've been a fan for a while, but now knowing even more about you, I'm like, fuck, you've been through so much.

• 1:34:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:57Alex Cooper?

  And I know everything you put into your music now. It's just that much more relatable. It has that much more soul and passion. And I just, I'm really excited for you in this next chapter of your life because you're fucking crushing. And thank you for coming on Call Her Daddy. It was truly a pleasure.

• 1:35:13Speaker 03

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:35:14Alex Cooper?

  We did it.

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  And I gotta come back.

• 1:35:16Alex Cooper?

  Dude, and I didn't ask you any inappropriate sex questions. Were you, did anyone prep you for that? You were fine.

• 1:35:21Speaker 03

  They, I was a little nervous about that. I was a little nervous. I know you get a little saucy with it.

• 1:35:27Alex Cooper?

  Done. Let's fucking leave.

• 1:35:44Alex Cooper?

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