Morgan Stewart McGraw: Boobs and Loubs (FBF)

Morgan Stewart McGraw joins Call Her Daddy to give us the advice we all need to hear. Morgan hits us with some hard fashion truths … say goodbye to your cut-out dresses, wedges, and even your beloved ankle boots. She opens up about her marriage to musician Jordan McGraw, and discusses how the two found their way back to each other after almost ten years apart. Morgan shares what it’s like to have Dr. Phil as a father-in-law and whether or not it’s too much living in the same city as your parents and in-laws. The pair discuss everything from weddings and the end of bridesmaids as we know it, to celebrity hall passes, to befriending strangers when drunk, and more.

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• 1:54Speaker 02

  What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

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  Morgan Stewart, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. I'm so excited.

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  I am so excited to have you here. You got your start on Rich Kids of Beverly Hills.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Yes, I did.

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  Shout out.

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  Yes.

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  You transitioned to host multiple shows on E.

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  Multiple, yes.

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  You have impeccable style.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Thank you. I appreciate that.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  And you make it look effortless, like unachievable. You're the kind of person that I'm like screenshotting and trying to like remake it.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Good.

• 2:26Speaker 00

  I don't ever remake it well, but like you're the inspo.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 2:30Speaker 00

  How did you pick your outfit today?

• 2:31Speaker 02

  I'm very Gen Z. I'm in my Gen Z feelings today. So this is the first time I've ever worn these shoes. And I bought them because I was like, I need to be, I'm a mother now. So I need to be able to wear things that are convenient to running around. And I was like, I'm never gonna wear them. And then I was like, you know what? Today is the fucking day. I'm putting them on and then I had these pants. They don't actually look good on me, but I always, this is my feet, they don't. The pleats in the front make me look like, like they're warping my thighs inward. But I will tell you, I am very big on everything I buy. I make sure to wear it once, even if it was the wrong choice. If I have not returned it, I always want to make sure that I've at least put it on my body so it's not a waste. And that's really how this all happened. And then I was gonna wear a navy turtleneck. Oh, do we have enough time to listen to all this bullshit?

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  Yeah.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  I was gonna wear a navy turtleneck and it read too dark. So then I grabbed this and then I was like, is this too much like a t-shirt? That's how it came together and I just left.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  I'm just geeking because I'm so happy your shoes are clean because this is a disaster set.

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  Can I tell you?

• 3:21Speaker 00

  When people come on with the dirt, can't have it.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  I was also going to tell you, they are, they have not been in the world.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  I have never had someone go into that much detail when I asked them that question and I actually appreciate it.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like to give you an experience.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  How do you describe your style?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Ooh, it's classic with a little bit of a flair. I don't get into the trends. I try to avoid it. I've been able to get into the trends lately because my husband has more accessible income. So I can like fuck up more.

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  I love the honesty.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  But if you are on a budget, you should be buying a white and a black t-shirt, two pairs of jeans, black and blue, a black blazer, a beige blazer, and like keep it moving. Don't get into the like crop-y tops. If you have to replenish your closet a lot, don't do that.

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  Just go with the basics.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Just go with the basics because they never, ever, ever, ever, ever leave. That's why they're called classic. Like getting into the like Barbie stripper vibe right now. I can't do it.

• 4:09Speaker 00

  So you're just taking your husband's credit card, swiping?

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Well, no, I have my own, his account.

• 4:14Speaker 00

  Oh, love that.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

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  So you're not spending your own money?

• 4:16Speaker 02

  No, ladies, this is, no, I'm not, I gave two children to this person. Two, in one year and one day apart. Okay?

• 4:24Speaker 00

  I mean, superwoman.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a lot, but it was amazing. The best thing I've ever done.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  And so you earned this?

• 4:29Speaker 02

  I've earned it and I will tell you, because I get on this tangent and I'm always like, I'm not the, it is still a little bit strange for me because I'm somebody that has my own money. I'm still getting paid out at E.

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  Shout out.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Shout out. So I really, you know, a part of me is like, well, I could just pay for this. But I just feel like.

• 4:44Speaker 00

  Let him.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Let him, right.

• 4:46Speaker 00

  Thanks babe.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, you go have a kid. See how that feels.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  What is a current fashion trend that you love? Even though I know you said you don't like trends, if you had to pick.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  I think the sneakers right now. I feel like sneakers are really big. I feel like girls are wearing them all the time and that's something that I'm getting more into. That's, that's what I like.

• 5:02Speaker 00

  Are you into the dad sneakers, like the New Balance?

• 5:04Speaker 02

  I am. And by the way, I had those like in the seventh grade. Things always come back. It's crazy. But I haven't gotten a pair. They've been hard to find.

• 5:11Speaker 00

  I got one pair recently and someone that I work with complimented me on them and I was ecstatic because I didn't really know. Like I'm sometimes like just going with it. Like I think this looks good, but I didn't really know for sure. And then I put them on and like within an hour, someone complimented me on them. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm in the right lane.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Yes, I saw it after.

• 5:29Speaker 00

  I know what I'm kind of doing. I'm happy these are back.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  They never left for me. Doesn't matter. Whatever year, I'm obsessed with an Ugg and I will do like an Ugg.

• 5:36Speaker 00

  An Ugg to the knee.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  To the knee. I'll do it. Oh, yeah.

• 5:39Speaker 00

  Did you ever get rid of yours?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  Never.

• 5:41Speaker 00

  Thank God.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  I had to get rid of one black pair because they were really, they had seen the light of day. It was disgusting.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  I had the sand color when I was in seventh grade.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  And I had to throw them out because they were to the knee and they were just at that point brown.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Brown.

• 5:51Speaker 00

  So it wasn't as cute.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I get it.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  But the Uggs, when people are like, they're so ugly. No, they're not. And they're comfortable.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Amazing. And then even like the super cropped ones with the platform. Now I'm trying to get my hands on those, but I can't find them.

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• 9:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 9:32Speaker 00

  And I've heard that you're the queen of organization.

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  I am really, I've become.

• 9:36Speaker 00

  I need like a little tip for all the girlies listening and for myself. What is an organization tip that you have? That's just a good go-to to remember when we're trying to organize our closets.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Organize your closet based on season. So now I'm transferring summer things out. It's, I don't care what anyone says, California, we still have seasons.

• 9:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  It's fall, no linen, no, even my son was in linen yesterday. I was like, oh no, Chris, no linen. He's not in linen anymore. It's October.

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  How old is your son?

• 10:04Speaker 02

  Eight months. But why are we in the linen joggers? He has new like sweat joggers.

• 10:08Speaker 00

  Who put him in linen joggers?

• 10:10Speaker 02

  My nanny. I was like, no, Chris, no.

• 10:11Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  We can't do that.

• 10:13Speaker 00

  So you had to be like, listen, we're not in season.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  No, we're not in season. No linen.

• 10:15Speaker 00

  Do you like how your husband dresses?

• 10:17Speaker 02

  I, oh, this is such a question. Okay, so I really love the way my husband dresses, I will say, and I, a sign of a mature relationship and how I've grown is I also do not control it. He can wear what he wants. I don't have the energy to change things. We are not stylistically completely on the same page, but I appreciate what he wears because it works for him. The transition where, why are you asking me everything that's going on in my life? The things that we transition now, it's the transitioning from day to night where I would like it to be a little bit more formal, but we're having a hard time finding that happy medium because he still wants to be himself. And I'm like, but just wear the crew neck sweater and the jacket.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  Right. Does he get annoyed by you when you try to tell him what to do?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Like, it's not a conversation. And he's like a silent, strong person. He's not a loud, strong person.

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  Which is actually worse.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  I know. Cause I'm like, oh, he's like, has this power over me, but nobody usually does. Yes, but I do like it.

• 11:09Speaker 00

  Is that normal in your relationships that you usually have the power?

• 11:12Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, usually like dominate and like, and completely like, you know, I overpower people. But I feel like the people that have been in my life in the past that I've dated have always somewhat wanted to, we've, they've almost wanted to be like me.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Does that make sense? In a way, like I exude like a strength that I think is appealing to males. And then they're like, whoa, this is maybe too much. But with my current husband, I don't need to do that because we're just really balanced.

• 11:36Speaker 00

  That's really interesting. I can relate to that of at first they're so attracted to it. And then they get in the relationship with you. And then it's a full for sure thing. And that's when they get the most insecure. But in the dating phase, they're, they love it. And then you settle down and it's like, it's the same thing as when girls are like, wait, why did you like when I posted bikini photos? When we weren't fully exclusive, but now that we are, you're like all scared and you're going and running and liking other girls bikini photos. Like, pick a fucking lane.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Pick a lane.

• 12:00Speaker 00

  That's really interesting. Okay. So the, the husband dresses to your liking.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  Yes, he does. I like it.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  You could elevate a little bit.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  I would, I wouldn't even elevate it. I would transition small things and I'm only talking about at night.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  So mine is kind of the opposite, which is so strange. My boyfriend, I've never dated a man like this, has the best taste.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Oh my God, it's so nice, right?

• 12:21Speaker 00

  He really knows how to dress.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 12:23Speaker 00

  And he really understands design. Like we just redid our house and he was like, we don't need to get that big of a designer. Cause like, I know what we need.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Smart.

• 12:31Speaker 00

  And it's, it's like shocking to be in a, if anything, it makes me insecure because I'm usually the one, the guys that I've ever dated. I'm like, I don't give a fuck what you think I'm wearing. This relationship, I'm like, okay, he has better taste and I have to accept that.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Which is honestly, that's so smart because I feel like my husband like accepts it, but doesn't think our taste is as different as it is, even though it's not. I think that's a.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  You're like, it's so fucking different. Shout out if you're listening to me.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  It's, it's very, it's, that is very smart of you because it's so nice to have that.

• 12:57Speaker 00

  Right. Just accept it.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 12:58Speaker 00

  Someone's going to have better style and taste. Lean into that.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  Rather than try to just make it equal. Not everything has to be equal in a relationship.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  I agree with you.

• 13:07Speaker 00

  Okay, good.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:08Speaker 00

  What is your take on matching your children's outfits? Is mommy and daughter going to be wearing the same thing? And are your children going to be wearing the same thing?

• 13:16Speaker 02

  No, and no. Absolutely fucking not. Like you don't have friends? Like you don't need to dress your kid alike to you. Like you don't, didn't you do that when you were in seventh grade?

• 13:23Speaker 00

  No, my, my mother, she made my sister and I wear the same things for like Christmas.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  But that, that is also like a traditional thing. And I feel like that's also, that was our parents' generation. I feel like that's, like I get the Christmas photos and you're in the little blue dress or whatever.

• 13:37Speaker 00

  Do you send out a holiday card?

• 13:40Speaker 02

  Oh my God, I haven't, but I guess I'm going to this year.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Why?

• 13:44Speaker 02

  Because I feel like I should do that. It's like a much, it's a mature, nice thing. It's like a way to send a photo of your family with like it being in line with it being appropriate. Like it's fine. It's an excuse to get a photo out of you guys.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  Right.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  So yes, I will send a holiday card out. I did not send one last year.

• 13:59Speaker 00

  Are you going to be figuring out the outfits?

• 14:02Speaker 02

  Yes. Okay, wait, I did a photo shoot with my kids and they did wear the same outfit.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  I forgot. But can I tell you, they were leggings, they were, he was like three months old and she was however old she was. And it was, they were in like beige leggings and a long sleeve shirt. Like it was like pajamas. It wasn't, and we were all in beige. My husband's still mad at me about everyone being in beige.

• 14:25Speaker 00

  Completely contradict. I was never have my kids match. Oh my God.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  I, but by the way, it wasn't like, it wasn't supposed to be a fashion statement. They were just supposed to blend in, if that makes sense.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  I get that. Okay. Just you wanted your kids to blend in because you wanted to stand out.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

• 14:39Speaker 00

  That's good. Do you think your daughter's going to have the same personality as you?

• 14:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:43Speaker 00

  How are you going to deal with that?

• 14:43Speaker 02

  I don't know. She already brings me to my knees. She really is so strong. You can really tell about children. You can tell who's going to be the fucking loser. Who's not going to have friends. I'm kidding. I'm so kidding. Her friends, I'm like, oh, dork. Uh, no.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  Such a bitch. I love it.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  It's hilarious because every mom thinks that, every mom analyzes it. But I will say, I think that I can tell she's extremely sweet. Inside genuinely, and I'm not saying that because she's mine. And then there is a side that's quite fierce and strong willed. So I do, I do think we're quite alike.

• 15:14Speaker 00

  Where do you think you got that from?

• 15:16Speaker 02

  You know, my parents, I feel like I'm very much like my mom, but she's less crazy and less, like she's crazy in her own way, but not as out outward as I am. She's a little bit more conservative, a little bit more dialed back.

• 15:28Speaker 00

  Did you get in trouble in school at all?

• 15:30Speaker 02

  So this is so weird because every person I've ever been interviewed by in this context has always asked me that and always asks my mom that. And I never got in trouble. I was never late for curfew. I never, it was only in my early twenties that it was a little messy. Cause I was kind of in love and dating the wrong person. And by dating, like I was dating him, he was not dating me.

• 15:48Speaker 00

  Oh, love that.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  I was like, well, I'm coming over. He's like, no. And I was like, no, I'm coming over. And that's when I think my mom called me a few times because I was like, you know, I had been in college and then I left college and she was like, what the, what the, where are we going here? What the fuck are you doing with your life?

• 16:01Speaker 00

  I think why people probably ask you that is because I think you had this very like outspoken, confident nature about you that I would see you as the person in class telling the teacher that he had the answer wrong. So you were just not like that.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  I was not like that, but I also struggled like intensely in school. I had a really hard time. I definitely had like severe learning disabilities that were not diagnosed till like my senior year of high school. It was like, she's failing math every year. What's wrong? Let's ignore it and keep her going. And then in senior year, they're like, you're not going to graduate. So I had to go do a night school and pass the class. I had to see a math psychologist because I had such a bad learning disability. So I couldn't, I didn't, to be honest with you, I don't know how I know how to spell. So I could never, I was not like that. So I kind of just shut my mouth as much as possible.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  That makes sense. Cause like you weren't confident in that aspect. So you're like, I'm just going to sit here and listen.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  But then outside of the school doors, you're like running shit.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  Like the playground, you're thriving. Just not where the desks are. That makes a lot of sense.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  And I think that's great for your career. Also that worked out. You've got a great personality.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  Thank God.

• 17:00Speaker 00

  Okay. What is a hot take that you currently have? I know you had a show on E, obviously Necessary Realness. Are you sad it's done?

• 17:08Speaker 02

  No, I just think that's the stupidest decision anyone could have made. I mean, literally like the duck, like you, you know how hard, you, how many people do interview? How many people really impress you? Good talent is hard.

• 17:18Speaker 00

  Oh, it's very hard.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  And, and somebody being manufactured by like whatever circumstance they're around that makes them popular doesn't mean that they're.

• 17:24Speaker 00

  Oh, so they kicked you off?

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Oh, they ended the shows. They ended the shows. They put an end to nightly pop, daily pop. And they were like, we're going to sunset Necessary Realness. I will tell you, Necessary Realness was like my little show. I love doing it. I love the people that worked on it. I definitely was, it's not a negative because I, it was time for me to go and figure out what I really want to do.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  But are they coming up with new shows to replace you guys?

• 17:48Speaker 02

  I, I have no idea. They're doing an E news reboot. So they're re, they're bringing back the show that they got rid of five years ago.

• 17:54Speaker 00

  Oh, that sounds relevant.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  Uh huh. And so that they're doing that. I don't know. And beyond that, I don't know. But I will tell you, I saw a psychic when I was redoing my contract last year. And he said, I would sign this deal. You're not going to be in it for the remainder of the time you've signed up for.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  And I was like. They work for E news. Maybe your psychic is low key working all the time.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Has told me things. He told me that I was going to name my son with a G name. I was like, yeah, right, Gary. Who the fuck has a G name? There's no way. Like, there's no possible way my son's going to have a G name. And it's gray.

• 18:22Speaker 00

  It's a good name.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a good name, right?

• 18:24Speaker 00

  Okay, well now I need the psychic's number.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I'll give it to you. He is, he will.

• 18:28Speaker 00

  Change your life.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  No, it's like not, it's like he's a medium. It's no joke.

• 18:31Speaker 00

  Were you sad the day it happened?

• 18:33Speaker 02

  I was emotional because I had been with everybody for so long, but I genuinely, I had done six years of 5am workout, wakeups. I was doing at one point, the most I was doing four shows a day. I mean, I, I worked like, it's not physically possible or sustainable to work the way I worked. I'm grateful for the experience, but I was, I was, it was a mutual feeling of, okay, it's time to move on. I had been feeling like I had hit the ceiling there.

• 18:57Speaker 00

  Was it affecting your relationship or anything?

• 19:00Speaker 02

  It wasn't affecting my relationship with my husband now. It wasn't, no, it was fine. He knew I wanted to do this, but also we were in the pandemic. So the last few years hadn't been consistent. And then I also had two babies in two years. So I like, it was, it was the perfect time to, to part ways.

• 19:17Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 00

  I have so much respect for how you managed that show because you kept it so real. And I think sometimes on TV, especially those formats can come off a little like scripted and stuffy and just like a little like, uh, do I believe that's actually her personality? And you were like fully able to be yourself, which is great.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  And they did though, a good job with that because they had to edit out quite a bit to just keep it safe too, a little bit.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  That's great. That's great.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  So shout out to them.

• 19:42Speaker 00

  Shout out. Thank you.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  What is a hot take? Let's pretend we're on the show. What is a hot take that you currently have?

• 19:49Speaker 02

  So it's hilarious because my PR sent me this, like, that was a question. I was like, what's a hot take? So I asked my agent. I was like, what is a hot take? Like, what is it? She goes, well, a hot take I have is that you can be friends with your ex. Everyone's friends with their exes. And I was like, I'm going to steal that and I'm going to credit you. I always credit people, by the way.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  Love that.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  I never take someone's fashion. I, nothing. I always credit.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Well, you can't, you'll get canceled.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. By the way.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  And I then was really thinking about it and I was like, no, you can't.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  Wait, no, you can't.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  No, you can't. She was like, I'm gonna read you the quote.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  Read me the fucking quote because we could do a whole episode on this. No, you can't because only if you are in a new rela- if you're in a relationship. If you're single, sure, be friends with all your fucking exes.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Also, I, by the way, I was gonna pull it up and I was like, it's so much, but it's-

• 20:33Speaker 00

  Just read it.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  The reality is, is that if you're so able to be friends with your ex, then why are you breaking up?

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Right? Okay, so I said that. I think there are a lot of factors that go into make- literally my homework. Do you love it? I think there are a lot of factors that go into making a relationship work and making someone your person, your long-term partner. I have a laundry list of reasons I am not with exes, but there are definitely a lot of reasons I like them in the first place that still exist. The majority of people on this planet are people you will not have a connection to, not have any chemistry with. And so when you find someone you actually connect with that's rare and wonderful, and just because it doesn't work out romantically for you, why does that mean those people should be out of your life completely?

• 21:09Speaker 00

  I'm gonna talk about this.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  It's no fucking way.

• 21:10Speaker 00

  Okay, tell me your take on that.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  I don't think it's, first of all, I don't, what you said, I think is accurate. I think you cannot be friends with an ex unless you were not ever in love with them and you didn't share a genuine romantic connection, because if you're walking away from the relationship so easily and able to revisit, then why separate at all?

• 21:28Speaker 00

  No, I completely agree. I think I've had relationships where I'm like, oh, like, like one of my college boyfriends, I'm like, oh, like, he was so cute. And like, I just walked all over him and I feel bad for that. And like, he's such a good guy.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  And like, if I ever saw him, we'd be totally chill.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  I'm not texting him.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 21:44Speaker 00

  That's so strange.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  And also, why do you want, if you wanna be friends with them, you probably wanna be in their lives for other re- I just don't, I, but, but it works for her. There's no like-

• 21:52Speaker 00

  But I agree with the, the sentiment of like, I don't hate everything about them. Of course not, but you take that with you and you move, you move along.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  You move along.

• 21:59Speaker 00

  You don't need to be marinating over there in that like, ooh, like, I love this part of him, so I wanna like, keep it, keep it going in my life.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 22:06Speaker 00

  Well, I think that if you're single, you can absolutely be friends with ex.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 22:10Speaker 00

  I would say be cautious about that though, because then you're not moving forward and you may just keep going back into that awful cycle. However, the minute you get a new partner, the only way to be able to have like, a healthy relationship is to move on from your past relationships.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Someone that's been inside you, or you've been inside them, or putting something in whatever hole.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  I get it.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Let's just-

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Move on.

• 22:31Speaker 00

  Move on. You can totally respect.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 22:33Speaker 00

  But it doesn't need to be a texting buddy, buddy, let's get lunch every week.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Okay, but didn't I get, I did my homework, cuz that's a hot take, right?

• 22:39Speaker 00

  I'm so impressed with you.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 00

  Did you do your homework for this question?

• 22:41Speaker 02

  What was the next question? Cuz I was wasted for four days last week. What are the questions?

• 22:45Speaker 00

  Wait, where were you again?

• 22:46Speaker 02

  I went to Napa for my husband's birthday and I mean, we, we, I mean, did not, I mean, today is even a struggle for me.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Are you okay?

• 22:52Speaker 02

  I'm okay.

• 22:53Speaker 00

  You look great.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Thank you. Well, I got a glam for an hour and a half. I was like, Tammy, we got till 10:15. I'm not gonna be late. She's like, your eyes are small. I'm like, I don't care. You need to just do the mascara. She's like, more lashes. I said, it's 11 a.m. We don't need more lashes, Tammy. I'm leaving. So that's it.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  I think you look great. You look so beautiful. Everything is put together. Your teacher outfit, is that what you said?

• 23:13Speaker 02

  This is literally, it's my teacher. I literally, by the way, it's like, it's my Gen Z teacher look.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  I am obsessed with it.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 23:19Speaker 00

  Okay. Also, I've never been to Napa. Is it good? Great. I mean-

• 23:24Speaker 02

  That's your next place.

• 23:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  It's so close, it's unbelievable.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  Do you recommend going there as a couple or like, with friends and like a bunch of?

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Couple and couple friends. It's not a single girl's place.

• 23:34Speaker 00

  You really can throw a party, huh?

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I'm, I honestly, that might be my next career.

• 23:38Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  I love it so much.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  A party planner.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  I, I could be a serious party planner. I'm like, it took so much work to plan this birthday and I really thrived.

• 23:47Speaker 00

  I, I saw the, um, things you made for your husband for his birthday and I was like, the, the, every single little detail. I couldn't even come up with that in a year.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  No, it was a lot, but I will say shout out to my mother-in-law because she really helped me. She is like Oz. She is like a magical wizard that like, will like, just come up with these like, ex, like, insane ideas and it'll just- She got 22 pieces of metal engraved in 24 hours. She's like, I can get it done. Don't worry, I can get it done. I said, she said, there's nothing I can't do. She literally had it all fucking done. I was like, there's no way. She had a neon sign. My assistant picked it up that morning and drove it to Napa. It was done the morning of the party.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  How nice is it to like your mother-in-law?

• 24:31Speaker 02

  I, we are, I will, not to get too crazy and deep, we are like kindred spirits through life.

• 24:39Speaker 00

  Have you had the opposite before, even if it wasn't like an absolute mother-in-law, like?

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Not bad. I've never had a bad relationship with anybody's mother, but definitely not to this level. Yeah.

• 24:48Speaker 00

  Cuz I've had like the, the son mommy dynamic where it's a little too incestual that you're like, do you wanna fuck your mom or me? Like, what, what's going on?

• 24:57Speaker 02

  That's not the guy for you. I can just, no, it does not work.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  It doesn't work at all?

• 25:01Speaker 02

  No, it does not work.

• 25:02Speaker 00

  It's, it's so, it's such a turnoff also.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 25:05Speaker 00

  Sexually.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  And it's like, oh, you have to call your mommy every couple hours, like, get it together, we're adults.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  And that's, and that's something I have to think about with my son. He's got a sweet spirit, so I might need to smack it out of him soon, but he's, he's adorable. They're good kids.

• 25:17Speaker 00

  He's, and they've got great names, so they're immediately cool by association. Also, you, the, the, the whole thing is gonna work for them.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 25:24Speaker 00

  Okay. You have discussed pop culture and celebrities for years, so I'm interested to know-

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:30Speaker 00

  Who would be your celebrity hall pass?

• 25:33Speaker 02

  John Mayer. Was that too fast?

• 25:36Speaker 00

  John Mayer?

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Really?

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, my husband knows. It's always, I, I, when I was single for a little bit, I was like, I'm gonna go out with John Mayer. Guess that, that did not, did not happen.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  Have you ever met him?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, still, did not happen. Oh, no, I'm fine, I'm fine. Moved on now, but-

• 25:51Speaker 00

  What about, I feel like I'm fine. Um-

• 25:54Speaker 02

  He's a Libra. My husband's a Libra. I get along with Libras. I was like, oh, he would totally, if he had two hours with me, he would fall in love with me. Nope. Not, not even a little. Not for a second.

• 26:04Speaker 00

  What about him do you love?

• 26:06Speaker 02

  I, I don't know. I think he's hot. I think he's just got the whole thing down. I'm into it. I love that he's just like mysteriously moving through every single person you've ever met.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  Ever.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  Except me. I'm, I'm fine. I'm just saying, that's my celebrity hall pass.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  I'm here.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 00

  And he, and would your husband be okay with it?

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Oh, no, absolutely never.

• 26:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  No, no, we're not, we're, we're like, totally, yeah.

• 26:26Speaker 00

  Closed.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  We are like, yes.

• 26:27Speaker 00

  But, do you know who his is?

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Who, it, I feel like he's also more, um, quiet about his hall passes, which is like the ones you always have to watch out for. Like, the people that vocalize their desires or like, it's on the table. He's like, oh, she's, she's pretty. Shut the fuck up with she's pretty. Who says she's pretty about any person in their life?

• 26:48Speaker 00

  No one.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  No one.

• 26:48Speaker 00

  Unless you're in love with them.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Right. There you go. Who's he? I'm gonna call-

• 26:53Speaker 00

  Who the fuck?

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:54Speaker 00

  Wow. Okay, so he's made little comments.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Yes. Who, I'm trying, I, I guarantee you when I leave, we're just gonna have to do this again, because when I leave, I'm gonna be like, oh, he likes blah, blah, blah. He thinks Kim's hot, but like, that, if you're a frog, you think Kim is hot. She is like, she is a really beautiful-

• 27:08Speaker 00

  I've never seen her in person. I've heard she's-

• 27:10Speaker 02

  It's like looking at the sun, you can't stare too long. She's, it's like, she's stunning. This is very beautiful and was always very beautiful.

• 27:19Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  That's why this works as well as it does.

• 27:21Speaker 00

  I agree. Wow. Okay, so Kim, for your husband and you, John Mayer.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:26Speaker 00

  What a fun couple night. You guys should just do it all together.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  There you go. I, by the way, open-

• 27:31Speaker 00

  You have to watch out cuz Kim's single. Well, I guess John's single too.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 00

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• 28:22Speaker 00

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• 29:40Speaker 02

  I mean, it's so, it's not as fun as it should be because it was on Zoom, but I guess I, it's split. They're my highlights. Rihanna, I went in to do a, um, interview with her for Fenty Beauty, and it was sort of like you were in a waiting room in Zoom, and then I opened the camera up, and those are very stressful. And doing things over the internet are very stressful. You want to be able to meet someone, be able to do a little small talk, right? And she was like, "Oh my god, Morgan, I loved you on Rich Kids, you were so funny." And I literally, I like, was seven and a half months pregnant, and I like, peed a little bit. It was literal, I'm not, I was like, so excited and I couldn't hold my labia tight, because it was like, flapping open at that point. And that's what happened. And then George Clooney was also so fucking lovely, and like, a, a, a movie star. So those two. The bigger the star, I've realized, the nicer they are.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  Really?

• 30:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Because you've already achieved that level of success, you just want good, normal, nice people around you to treat you like a human being. You're not insecure, you're not climbing. Jen Aniston, really nice.

• 30:36Speaker 00

  I mean...

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Never met her, I've just heard, just saying.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  I am, I love her so much.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  So much.

• 30:41Speaker 00

  You're just...

• 30:42Speaker 02

  I can't handle it.

• 30:42Speaker 00

  I, I can't. But you know what? I don't think that pertains to the James Corden issue.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  By the way?

• 30:48Speaker 00

  That was big.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  I've heard.

• 30:49Speaker 00

  I've heard.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  I've heard, we've heard.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  Uh, so there was a lot of news. I love, I feel like now I'm doing like, the nightly pop show!

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Yay!

• 30:56Speaker 00

  But, um, I never usually cover pop culture, but James Corden, which is one thing I just do not fuck with, is news came out that he is the biggest fucking asshole to waiters, and Balthazar, a very famous place in New York City, that's just like, the best French place to go to. I guess he was just like a fucking dick to the waiters, and they banned him from going there.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:15Speaker 00

  And I don't fuck with that.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  I don't fuck with that, ever.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  You are not better than anyone.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  And...

• 31:21Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  How dare you be rude?

• 31:22Speaker 02

  How do you get to that point, and how does it stay quiet for so long? I feel like if I'm rude to anybody, it's everywhere in two minutes. Oh, not to make myself that big. But I do feel like it spreads around. I don't know if it's a male versus female thing, I hate to go there.

• 31:33Speaker 00

  Right, because you're a bitch. He's never gonna be called a bitch.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  What's he gonna be called? An asshole?

• 31:36Speaker 02

  An asshole. But now he apologized and is unbanned in two minutes. Like, you're rude to ev- he's not just rude to waiters, he's rude, I've, allegedly.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  Allegedly.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  And I've heard from multiple people that we know, obviously, um, that he's not polite. And I don't know how you actually are a person that's not polite to other people.

• 31:51Speaker 00

  It's just, especially when you hear, like, the status of someone, like, you have such privilege and such access, and just be like, so grateful and gracious to people around you, because be happy for what you have, and

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 32:05Speaker 00

  be fucking nice. And especially when people are rude to waiters, I'm like, you're disgusting.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Disgusting.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Um, but that's really interesting take, that the bigger the celebrity, the nicer they are.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  In my experience, I think with James Corden, not the biggest.

• 32:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's not even as big as, you know, I mean Rihanna. George Clooney has full, full movie star, like, I bet from a young age, he came out of the womb, and they're like, he's gonna be a movie star.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he just has that sort of je ne sais quoi vibe, that like, I don't know if that exists anymore in our

• 32:31Speaker 00

  I don't think it does. Because when you see Brad, you're like, that is a movie star, Leo, a movie star, but then, you know, Austin Butler, to me, doesn't have movie star vibes.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  I think also because he's too close in our age group, but I do think it's possible that he can grow into it. Yes, I think he's also like borderline too pretty, so it also that he doesn't have that sort of like rugged vibe that is like, these other guys have.

• 32:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, because Brad can be rugged, even though he's prettier than both of us.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  By the way, it's, and my mom met him once, and he signed something for me, he's lovely. That's another person that's lovely.

• 33:01Speaker 00

  Did you always want to be in the spotlight? Because you're meeting all, oh, that was fast.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  To be honest, I didn't always want to be in the spotlight, I always wanted to be successful at my talents. That's what it was.

• 33:10Speaker 00

  What were your talents?

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Like, my talent was talking to people, being funny, engaging, and like, even, I feel like my talent, secret talents, like, even if people hated me, I'm talking early club days, and like, we had a weirdness because one girl was sleeping with somebody, I was sleeping, they still told me all of their insecurities and deepest thoughts, and then told me even about the person that they were sleeping with. Like, I am, I can disarm people and make them feel comfortable. So, and I was so, I struggled so much in school that I wasn't gonna like, go to college and do that for four years. So I really needed to kind of rely on the assets I had, which were not always so easy to put into a job description.

• 33:43Speaker 00

  I love it. I think it's great when you, like, you, the fact that you knew, and look, you made it happen.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank god.

• 33:48Speaker 00

  You're married to Jordan McGraw.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  I am.

• 33:51Speaker 00

  His dad is Dr. Phil.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  He is!

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Does, he act like your therapist at family dinners?

• 33:56Speaker 02

  You know what? He, honestly, he's very quiet in real life, and he doesn't need to say a lot, which is the opposite of me to fill in the void, and same with my husband, he doesn't need to say a lot too. So every time I'm around him, I adore him, we get along very well, I, he inspires me. I mean, the self-made success that that man has had is, I mean, he tried to talk to me about my e-contract, I'm like, this is too below, we're, we're not talking, we're not talk, I'm talking about cable television. Like, I'm not getting money back on the sales here, or the like, time slots. I'm like, this isn't, I'm like, I just need to know if I should ask for this or this.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  Right.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  He is wicked smart, I definitely am like, can he read my mind?

• 34:32Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Like, does he know all my hurt feelings and traumas, and like, bad habits? But we, uh, have a really nice banter.

• 34:39Speaker 00

  Were you nervous when you first met him?

• 34:40Speaker 02

  Well, you know I dated my husband first.

• 34:42Speaker 00

  Right, and it was

• 34:43Speaker 02

  Ten years, twelve years ago now, for a year, and then we broke up. But I had seen his parents around throughout the times that we weren't together. It was always energetically very strange, to the point where I was with my ex-husband in Saint-Tropez. I met up with my current husband's brother and sister-in-law, and went on my in-law's yacht, and sat with my mother, now mother-in-law and father-in-law for like, an hour, with me, my ex-husband, and my best friend, and I had seen them at restaurant, you guys, it was, it's, the world works in such mysterious ways, and I've always had a lovely relationship with them.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  So I guess you were friends with your ex?

• 35:17Speaker 02

  They're, but, but, no, can I tell you the craziest thing? He wasn't there.

• 35:22Speaker 00

  So this is fucking crazy.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was not there, he was on tour, and it was his older brother, who I've always gotten along with, his wife, who I adore, we met up in Saint-Tropez and hung out.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  Was your ex-husband like, what the fuck?

• 35:33Speaker 02

  Not at all. They all got along, it was not, it had been so many years, that it wasn't, and Jordan was like, doing his thing, and like, had different girlfriends, and I look back now, I mean, even the purses he bought me from twelve years ago, I, I never got rid of them. And that wasn't to be sentimental, that was just because it was Chanel, and I was like, well, I'm not gonna get the money, I'm gonna keep it. And now I look at my closet, I'm like, I now have two children with you, I'm gonna now pass this on to you, that your dad gave me this bag when we dated when we were twenty-two, or whatever. Like, it's crazy.

• 36:02Speaker 00

  Does his family also live in LA?

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Yes, they live close to us, we see them, my mother-in-law comes over all the time, because we're very close. I go there, she made a room for row, that is nicer than my entire house, it's like a joke.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  And your family lives in LA too?

• 36:14Speaker 02

  And my family lives in LA.

• 36:15Speaker 00

  Is that a lot?

• 36:16Speaker 02

  No, it's, it's, I'm, we got lucky with this, my parents are happily married, and have been for almost forty years. And my, and they're, they've been together forty fucking four years, they are the most, and I'm not just saying this to you, they're like, eating at their kitchen counter, like, normal fucking people, like, they're so, it's, I've got so blessed.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  Okay, that's good.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's good.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  Um, you obviously have been with Jordan for how many years now?

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Oh my god, twenty twenty, we started to be together, we are gonna be married only two years in December. It feels like we've been together for twenty-five years.

• 36:49Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  How do your personalities complement each other?

• 36:52Speaker 02

  I am so external and extroverted, and he's extroverted in a different way, so he's more introverted and calm, and reads situations really well, and is a really good judge of character. I have a harder time with that. I'm really open and vulnerable upon meeting people, and then I'm like, fuck. Why did I do that? Shit, I don't trust you, I don't like you. And then I have to backpedal. He's very good at like, balancing me out. He's, every time I'm in a bad mood, or don't feel good about something, he can talk me off a ledge. I'm working on being able to do that for him, because he's like, if he gets upset about something, I'm like, don't worry about it. And it's like, no, you have to validate someone's feelings, which I talked about my therapist, she was like, no, you can't, you have to also make them feel. Because I'm like, get in the game, we're fucking fine, charge through it. And he's like, can you just like, be in my feelings with me?

• 37:35Speaker 02

  I'm like, oh, the feelings, the feelings, you're like, oh, right, right. Hate feelings, but yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  Oh, wow, that's really interesting. So when he needs to cry, you're like, buck up!

• 37:44Speaker 02

  I'm working on it, because that's how I've been.

• 37:45Speaker 00

  Huddle him?

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm sweet, I validate, but we also think the exact same way about ninety percent of things.

• 37:51Speaker 00

  So nice.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  Anything we watch on TV, anything we see, any, we have the exact same immediate reaction at the same speed, which is very rare.

• 37:58Speaker 00

  That is so rare, and I think that when that happens, you gotta hold on to it.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  That's why we came back around.

• 38:03Speaker 00

  When you guys had children, was there anything that completely shifted in your relationship?

• 38:09Speaker 02

  No, I think we were really, really, really on the same page about making sure that our relationship was a priority and we couldn't be completely only centered around our children.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  So smart.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  You have to do that, or you just will not survive.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  At all.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Because there's always something to do, there's always something to fix, there's always something to talk about. And at one point, we did have to peel back on getting the house like in order and having the right people around. And he finally at dinner was kind of like, you need to learn to stop talking after people leave. You need to just relax and enjoy your life and stop worrying about things that can't be changed right now. Cause I am such a doer, I want to get things fixed immediately. He's like, you just can't.

• 38:47Speaker 00

  Oh, that's nice. I feel calmer from hearing his words.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 38:50Speaker 00

  Just, I, I think I'm a little like that, like just

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Want to fix it.

• 38:54Speaker 00

  A little much.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:55Speaker 00

  And my boyfriend's always like, how about you just like calm down?

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  When they do that, now I don't get upset when, because if another boyfriend in the past would say that, he'd be like, shut the fuck up.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  But now I know my partner's coming from a good place.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  So it's healthier.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:06Speaker 00

  I brought you here to talk about weddings.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  Okay, because I've never really talked about them on my show.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 39:11Speaker 00

  You've had two.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  I've had two. All the experience you need.

• 39:14Speaker 00

  So first of all, the first time around, you had your wedding, it was a big elaborate wedding.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, one, we'll, one, 150 people, yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  How did you decide to have a big wedding?

• 39:23Speaker 02

  To be honest, that's not even that big.

• 39:25Speaker 00

  It's not?

• 39:25Speaker 02

  It's not even that big. I feel like now, like, I feel like a big wedding is 300 people. 250, 300 people.

• 39:30Speaker 00

  Could never, could never do it.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  And by the way, don't ever do that because that's because your parents have a lot of friends and they want them there. That's not because of you.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  It's not about my parents, it's about me.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  Okay, so you had a small, how did you decide to do a COVID wedding? Cause I know a lot of people push theirs back.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  It was just, I didn't want to do a whole thing again. I really, it was about the two of us. I knew that it was the right, right situation and we just wanted to do it. It really, people are like, oh, you were pre- Nothing to do with that. I even at the point when we were dating, I was like, if you don't want to get engaged right away, like, I don't mind. I mean, I'm happy to just do this with you. Because I knew, Roe happened the first time anything happened. The first time.

• 40:04Speaker 00

  Wait, and so you're saying the first time you guys had sex?

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Ever had unprotected sex, I got pregnant.

• 40:08Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  It was bananas.

• 40:11Speaker 00

  Were you even trying?

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Not even for, I was wasted on my birthday. We had unprotected sex. I was like, I can just pop a pill for that.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  I was like, nothing's gonna even happen. I mean, you hear stories that it takes months and months and months. I knew that when I made the decision to have unprotected sex in my drunken state, I was like, if this were to happen, which it's not going to, I feel confident enough with this person being the person who's gonna be the father of my child.

• 40:32Speaker 00

  That's great.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  But it was fucking nuts. Four weeks to the day, I was positive on a pregnancy test. It was wild. I was like, what?

• 40:39Speaker 00

  We, yeah, when you took the pregnancy test, were you?

• 40:42Speaker 02

  I was one day late and I was like, it's positive. And then I took 30 more.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  And then what did you do? You just had a conversation with Jordan and you were like, fine?

• 40:50Speaker 02

  I'm like, we're just gonna have a baby.

• 40:52Speaker 00

  And he was fine?

• 40:52Speaker 02

  And he was fine. And he was thrilled. We were, we wanted it. I just didn't think it was gonna happen.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  Totally, like at that timeline. That's why, because I think weddings, like I'm interested by your smaller wedding versus bigger wedding, because I think a lot of people feel so much pressure to like, have the big wedding or have all these people there. And half the time, I feel like when you do that, it's for other people. It's not even for the people getting fucking married. It's for all the family members to like fulfill a need of theirs, whether it's like to show off or validation or just see all their fucking friends.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  Um, do you have any advice for anyone that's like trying to figure out like what kind of wedding they want?

• 41:29Speaker 02

  I think the idea for a big wedding is really, if that's something you want, I don't think you should be ashamed by that. I think you should go for it. I definitely think you should think about who you're genuinely going, on the friend's side, family's more obligatory, you have to invite certain family members. I think on the friend's side, do you really feel like this couple is gonna be there for 10 years and down the road? Because it's also like, well, we like her, but we don't like him. And it's kind of like, you need to really just make sure that you're not inviting people to invite them.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  I completely agree. And I feel like that happens a lot of times. I've seen people at their weddings and they're like, I feel like I haven't even talked to anyone that I care about. Like, oh my God, where have you guys been the whole night?

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 42:02Speaker 00

  And I think that's sad if you don't get to enjoy your actual wedding, which I'm interested to know, like, so you enjoyed your smaller wedding?

• 42:07Speaker 02

  I preferred it, and I'm not just saying that because this is like my current husband. I genuinely felt relaxed. I felt happy. I didn't feel exhausted. I was able to enjoy, soak it in. I remember the meal we had. I remember the cake. I remember the photos. Like, it's really about celebrating the two of you. It's, and I don't care how much money you have, we could have had the biggest wedding in the world, but it's like, we didn't want to spend that time small talking with other people.

• 42:28Speaker 00

  I, I love it. Also bridesmaids, let's quickly talk about it.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 42:32Speaker 00

  Um, do you think they're going out of style? What is your, yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  It's really dated. It felt dated when I got married the first time. I just, and like most of the girls that, I, oh my God, I can't even remember. Six?

• 42:42Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  I mean, I speak to most of them, but like, it's just not, it's just having girls stand up there with you. It's, it's, I, I would avoid it.

• 42:50Speaker 00

  Were they all wearing the same dress?

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  I know. I know.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  I know.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  It's-

• 42:58Speaker 02

  I know.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  Listen, if people are listening and you want to have a bridesmaids, that's totally fine. I just think you shouldn't feel pressured to because you're supposed to like have that many people standing up there with you. Get up there alone, bitch. Do your thing.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Do your thing. And also you have to wait for all those bitches to walk down.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  It's not-

• 43:13Speaker 02

  It takes too long. Ceremony under 15 minutes.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  Uh, quick.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  It should be nine minutes.

• 43:26Speaker 00

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• 44:53Speaker 00

  So fall is almost here and the new arrivals from American Eagle, kinda obsessed. We're talking sweet dresses, soft sweaters you'll want to live in, on trend jeans and cargos you'll want to wear on repeat. And if you see a style you love, grab it now because you already know the good stuff doesn't stay in stock for long. You can check it all out at ae.com or just go to the store. Let's talk a little bit about reality TV for a second.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  You were on, like I said, the show, Rich Kids of Beverly Hills.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  Which, I mean, what a name.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  What a name!

• 45:26Speaker 00

  What a name for a show.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  It was insane.

• 45:27Speaker 00

  Looking back.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:29Speaker 00

  Were you playing a character?

• 45:31Speaker 02

  No, I wasn't playing a character. I was just a younger version of who I am now and I don't, I don't relate to that person as much anymore.

• 45:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  But no, I wasn't, I wasn't playing a character. I definitely felt like, maybe I was more turned up in moments and like there were storylines we had to fulfill. Because it is ultimately, no matter what, they follow reality, but you have to embellish, you have to make like gray areas pop, you have to refilm things. So, yeah, it was a job. Let's put it that way.

• 45:56Speaker 00

  Okay, so it wasn't a full character, but you were kind of, when you look back, what do you like and dislike about that?

• 46:01Speaker 02

  I didn't watch a lot of it, to be honest. I really, I, I put myself out there for other people to enjoy me or not enjoy me. It wasn't for me to sit back and be like, oh my God, you're on TV. So I real- And my interview looks were so bad. That was such an, an early start of glam that I had no fucking clue about. So it was just, it's tough to watch back.

• 46:18Speaker 00

  I get that. I can't, I mean, even with my podcast, sometimes I'm like, oh, these people are always like, oh, how do you feel that you've had like four years of just podcasting on the internet? And I'm like-

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Not great.

• 46:28Speaker 00

  I, I, I mean, it's not great. Like, I don't hate it, but I don't love it. There are certain things that I'm like, why did I say that?

• 46:35Speaker 02

  No, totally. Oh, no. By the way, I felt like I was way, I guess, like bitchier, immature, insecure, just like, but what you are is like a younger version of yourself.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  That's what I feel like people have to understand. Like sometimes people look back at when you put your life on the internet or you're on TV and people scrutinize you for one thing. You're like, I was how old? And now I'm like, I'm different, I'm a different person.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Person.

• 46:58Speaker 00

  And if you documented yourself at that age, hopefully you'd be a different person five years later also.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Right. And good fucking luck. Exactly.

• 47:06Speaker 00

  Exactly. Okay, so you don't hate the character, but you just look back and you're like, I was just like a little bit more aggressive.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  I was a little bit more aggressive and I wasn't as happy. You know what I mean? And I also hadn't had five years of therapy.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  How, how did you like filming that show?

• 47:19Speaker 02

  I liked it. I was definitely, I took it very much as like, this is a stepping stone. I had worked towards getting on the show, not that specific show, but a show in general. And I treated it very much like a job. Like I was on time to things, like it was fun because I was friends with them, but with the people on it, but it needed, it was a job.

• 47:34Speaker 00

  What are you like in a social setting when you're drunk? Give us like drunk.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Loud and very nice.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  I am like, we're going here. What about this? Oh, my God, you told me you were interested in that. I get like high off of being able to be louder because I'm wasted and then I am inviting you everywhere. We are going to Rome and then I'm like, oh no, we're not, we're not going to Rome. Like I am like engaging.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  You're the person that meets people in the bathroom and you're like, guys, come to the table.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Yes, I am that person. I'm that person. I've been, I'm like an internal club rat, no matter how old I am. Like I just like love to talk to people, but then I also, if I get cornered and I don't want to talk, then I have a serious psycho breakdown.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Cause I don't know how to, I don't know how to get out of the conversation.

• 48:17Speaker 00

  I was talking about that with somebody the other day where I was at an event and someone was stuck. And you just can see it, like everyone can see it when you're in a social setting and it's, it's the nature of what happens. You start talking to someone, totally genuine conversation, whatever, but like it's forced because you guys don't really know each other. And it was just more supposed to be like a, hi, how, how are you? Like, oh, so good to see you here. And then you're supposed to keep flowing, but then all of a sudden everyone else is in conversation and you're stuck with that person.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  It's like your partner for the night.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  And you, I'm always with the partner for the night. And then I almost get, I get so fucking crazy that I will be like, we're seeing it through now. We're fucking signed up for this. Keep telling me about your mom. What mental illness did she have? Oh, tell me about your parents divorce when you were 12. Why the fuck am I in this deep? This is what happens. I get fucking blind and I keep going.

• 48:59Speaker 00

  I do too. And I'm down the tunnel and now I'm like, well, we can talk about this. Like here's my, like my number.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Oh, my number.

• 49:05Speaker 00

  I'll give you my therapist and like, we can get through this. Look at lunch. I'm like, I didn't even want to go to lunch.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Want to go to lunch. And it's not even like being fake. You're trying to make someone comfortable and then you double down because you're like, why aren't you walking away?

• 49:16Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Just say, hi, how are you?

• 49:18Speaker 00

  And just.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  I know. A, a good host, I'm going to start to like implement that into my parties of like, you guys have been talking a long time.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  And it's nothing mean. It's genuinely just like, sometimes you don't need to have a conversation that long with someone.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:28Speaker 00

  And you could just say, I gotta go. But sometimes if the other person's not reading the queue, it can get a little awkward.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, I've been there so many times. Exhausting.

• 49:34Speaker 00

  Cause sometimes they really are excited to have the conversation.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  I know. And you're like, what the fuck?

• 49:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. And there's other times where I want to talk for an hour to someone.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Don't get it twisted. Like.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  But it's usually not somebody you've just met unless it's you and I. You're all like, guys, you have to shut the fuck up.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  We, yeah, exactly. If someone can't shut the fuck up, but it's like a good can't shut the fuck up, great. If someone's so um self-centered and just keeps talking about themselves.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Delusional.

• 49:56Speaker 00

  Do you even know my name?

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  Then that's where you want to just, yeah.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  Um, what is a current social media trend that makes you cringe?

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, all of it. I feel like the TikTok, I mean, I feel like I'm just, I, I, no shade to it. I love it, but I just cannot. I don't have the, I don't know. I can't find, I'm like trying to do Beyonce cuff it. I'm trying to fucking figure it out. I'm trying to do the, and I can't.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  It, it shifts a lot every day.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Every day.

• 50:18Speaker 00

  I, I can't even post on TikTok. I try, but like, I just can't, I can't get it down.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  I can't get it down. Also, like, are photos just not good enough anymore? Like, how, do you want me to take a video of me walking down the street and pretending like I don't know? Cause I tried in Napa. You know what happened? It was horrific. Okay? It was, it was so bad that I was like, how the fuck does this?

• 50:36Speaker 00

  Who took the video for you?

• 50:37Speaker 02

  My husband. I said, you have to take a video of my outfit because I can't just get a photo. I need to do walking. He goes, okay, here. It was so much nose. It was so much, it was so bad. It just, I can't.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  You just knew.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  I just knew.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  That's the thing that's awful is, or even like the photos where we're trying to like pretend we're not looking. We know someone who is holding our own personal iPhone and taking the photo.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  I know.

• 50:58Speaker 00

  And what has become cool about that? I'm doing it too. I'm like looking down, looking away, like just look at the camera. What happened to this?

• 51:05Speaker 02

  I know. The smiling at the photo. I swear I'm going to bring it back. That's what we should do.

• 51:08Speaker 00

  We should.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  I cannot keep pretending like, oh, there's a bird. Oh, my God. Oh, and I'm looking down. It's been years of social media and I still have no fucking idea. Take a photo. Yeah, it's time. Cause a smile happy, yeah. Smiley happy. I'm, I feel much better. I'm not doing the pressure. I'm not doing it anymore.

• 51:24Speaker 00

  Or just stare at the camera. We acknowledge, we know there is a husband or a boyfriend or a best friend or a mom or a grandma crouching to get the angle. Acknowledge that.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Exactly. I'm with you. I agree.

• 51:36Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, this is making me feel better. Okay. When you wrapped your show after five seasons, your parting gift from your team.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Was a book of some of your best quotes. What was your favorite quote from the book?

• 51:50Speaker 02

  It was something about like you not knowing your dad. What was it? It was like, if you're in a, if you're in heels by the pool, like you don't know your dad or something like that. Because really, why, why are you in heels by the pool?

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Like, I don't, like, are you gonna, like, are you gonna slip and break your neck? Like, you were really trying for something. Like, you need to call someone else.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  If you're in heels by the pool, you don't know your dad.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you have like a thigh tattoo that you regret. And like, you're in like a black zippery, like something that's uncomfortable for the labia to be in.

• 52:20Speaker 00

  Wait, what do you feel about the wedge? Or like the one with the um cork underneath essentially?

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Listen.

• 52:26Speaker 00

  It looks like a plank from Home, uh, Home Depot.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Home Depot. I don't hate a wedge. It's a speci-, you gotta be specific about the wedge, but I like white or black. When things are in the gray, I have a very hard time. I spiral. Okay. I need things to be very clear. You're either my best friend or you're not my friend. I can't have you like kind of be a friend to me, whatever. I'm getting to the wedge part of it all. A wedge is the gray, right? Because you're not wearing it by the pool if you have any class. And you're not wearing it to dinner unless you're on vacation. So it's sort of a useless shoe. Unless that's your heel of choice, which like doesn't feel formal enough for me. How much time do I have to know all these opinions? It's kind of weird.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  No, this is good. This is good.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  So to me, I'm overwhelmed by the idea of a wedge because it's useless to me. But I bought a pair of wedge, uh wedges over the summer. They had pom poms on them. I was, I brought them on vacation and I never ended up wearing them. And so I wore them on my show one time, but like a wedge just does not serve conducive to getting dressed.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  I agree with you.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm not wearing wedges with jeans. It's not 2008.

• 53:23Speaker 00

  Oh, no, no, no.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 53:24Speaker 00

  No, I agree. They're not the cutest also.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  No, they're not the cutest.

• 53:27Speaker 00

  Comfortable.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're definitely comfortable, but like you're not, they're not comfortable in the sense that like, oh, I'm wearing them to Coachella or that's scary. Who's wearing those to Coachella? Nobody.

• 53:36Speaker 00

  I hope nobody.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Nobody you're talking to.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  No, nobody. What did you think about the um, what boot is in right now? The knee or above the knee or below? Like, what are we doing?

• 53:45Speaker 02

  I think to the knee or high up. I think they both work. An ankle, an ankle boot that's healed is, it's unacceptable. It's never, it never elongates. It never looks good. You're not doing yourself a favor. It doesn't look good on Irina fucking Shake. If you have an ankle boot, return it.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  It is, I don't care if it's a sock booty and it's the most flattering version. It does not look good. It's cutting off your leg, whether your leg's nine feet long or two feet long. They're awful. A black suede ankle boot makes me want to clench my asshole and itch it. I can't.

• 54:27Speaker 00

  I owned one of those in college. I thought I was like rocking the town.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  And then there's like throw up on the side because you've walked through it.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  And then there's like a little chain to like zipper it.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, mama.

• 54:38Speaker 00

  We, okay, so when you, I love how I'm asking you fashion advice, but I think this can like help a lot of people.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 54:43Speaker 00

  Like, we're lost out here. Okay? So it's either to the knee.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:47Speaker 00

  Or high as fuck.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  High to the point where you're not getting, like if you're wearing a skirt, it's, it's, the skirt is covering. Like you want it to be extensive leather.

• 54:55Speaker 00

  Do you feel like that looks hoish though? Like what can you wear with that?

• 54:57Speaker 02

  It's not hoish because we are covering. So skirt, so boot, skirt. We don't want let, we don't want this showing. We don't want an ounce of skin showing. You also, not to confuse, you can wear pantyhose under the thigh high boot and wear a booty short, like a leather booty short with a baggy sweater. That reads classy and cute. But if you're doing skirt, no pantyhose and boot that's showing, trash whore, disgusting. Which by the way, I am the biggest trash whore, but I just not in terms of dressing.

• 55:26Speaker 00

  Okay, this is good. Yeah. It's, it's giving everything you're calling out is like Alex in college.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. No, by the way, we've all, we've all been there. Trust me.

• 55:33Speaker 00

  So if you're in college, do what we're saying, actually.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  Cause here's.

• 55:37Speaker 00

  You want to be a trash whore.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  It's the best to be the trash whore.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Exactly. But now I feel like people also like do these little tricks that they're like, why doesn't it look the same on me? And those little details are why it works on like the people these girls are following.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  I got it. And so when you're doing a boot though, and you're wearing long pants.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 55:53Speaker 00

  You just, the pants go over the boot.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Okay, yes. So if you're doing an ankle boot for that purpose and it's covered and you don't know, it's ambiguous in terms of the height, fine. But if you're doing.

• 56:04Speaker 00

  Have you ever seen someone wear an ankle boot with a dress?

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:07Speaker 00

  No, no stocking.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's just unacceptable. It's not making you look better in any way.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  Okay. So while we're wrapping up, because this is actually great. I never talk about fashion on Call or Daddy, but I actually think this is fucking helpful because it, it really is.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Good. I'm so happy.

• 56:20Speaker 00

  We need to learn. For fall.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  What are some like go-tos we need to just be rocking, wearing, living in?

• 56:27Speaker 02

  I think it should always, everyone should have two oversized crew neck sweaters.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  Two oversized crew necks.

• 56:32Speaker 02

  And I think you, I'm somebody that like believes in investing in like a higher priced item, even if you can't buy them a lot because you have them for five years.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  What's your go-to outfit for like a fun sexy date night?

• 56:42Speaker 02

  I always, I write all this shit and then I'm always like in a really fitted, like skinny crop, ankle jean with like a blazer of some kind and like a tee shirt underneath and a heel. Like that is like what I am comfortable in. That's what I go to.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  Skinny crop jean, heel.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  It should always be a little bit uh high on the ankle.

• 57:00Speaker 00

  High on the ankle.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Not all the way down where you're like, no, it needs to be.

• 57:03Speaker 00

  We should have done a fucking vlog episode where I come over and we try it on clothes.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  By the way, I'm ready.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  Maybe we do that.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Let's do it. I'm ready.

• 57:10Speaker 00

  Cause like, we need help.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  I am, those are the things.

• 57:12Speaker 00

  Daddy gang needs help.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  You're like, I can help.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  I can help you anytime you want.

• 57:18Speaker 00

  Okay. I want to know.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 57:20Speaker 00

  What are you doing next? Your show just ended.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Show just ended. I'm in the process of working, I'll be very detailed with you right now. I'm working out a budget for a pilot I'm going to shoot for, a show idea that I've had for a really long time. And I'm not going to say exactly what the show is, but it is definitely something that I for years have just been like, I don't feel like my multi-layered self has been shown. There's always a version of who I am. There's a like, there's a very empathetic, very nice side of me. I'm, I'm just going to talk all about how great I am. Um, and generous and I'm, I'm actually a pretty decent person and somebody I've become that I've started to really like after all the work I've done. And I feel like that doesn't get exposed enough. And so this show will interweave a little bit more of like the different layers of who I am.

• 58:06Speaker 00

  So are you going to have a reality show?

• 58:07Speaker 02

  It's not going to be reality.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  There will be snippets of reality, but it will not be reality.

• 58:13Speaker 00

  When you're saying that you've really come to like yourself.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:16Speaker 00

  What is that evolution?

• 58:17Speaker 02

  I think that I've worked like a lot on myself, especially in the last four years and have really like learned why I worked the way I did for so many years and like ended up leaving relationships really in a sort of a messy place and friendships in a messy place. And I just feel like I now understand certain things have happened to me over my life that I understand now why I operated that way. And now I'm moving away from that because I'm undoing all of that. And so I feel like I get to be the, a better version of myself. And so that version I would like to be out in the world more. And it's also hard to like self-produce yourself every day to post video. It's like, it's a lot. I'm exhausted. I don't want to do that all the time.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  I love that for you also. So exciting because like you're now raising children and you're just like the fact that you're feeling like you're the best version of yourself. Therapy, a godsend.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  A godsend.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  And I mean, I, I, I'm so excited for the show whenever it comes out and I'm going to ask you.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  I'm manifesting May. I think I'll be filming in May. Oh yeah. I've manifested everything in my entire life. Anything you want in your entire life, you just say it. Anything. I'm gonna, oh, I want, I'm gonna date him. Okay. Except for John Mayer, everything is happening.

• 59:22Speaker 00

  Except for John Mayer, but honestly, I will be checking the news moving forward because I could see it happening now.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  There was going to be like, all of a sudden they allow a third into their relationship and they had a one night free with John Mayer. Oh my God. No, I love you. Thank you so much for coming on.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 59:38Speaker 00

  So fun. The daddy gang's going to love you and we're taking notes on the fashion advice.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  I love it. I'm coming back anytime.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  I love you.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Love you.

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