Maria Georgas: I Made Out with My Boyfriend’s Mistress (FBF)

Hope you enjoy this throwback episode! Originally aired on April 30, 2024. Join Alex in the studio for Maria Georgas’ first exclusive interview after her time on The Bachelor. Maria does not hold back and tells some truly wild stories from her dating life before the show. She reveals the great lengths she went to in order to prove her boyfriend was cheating on her, including convincing the apartment concierge to show her security footage and making out with his mistress. Alex and Maria give their hilarious takes on bad first date scenarios and discuss what’s going on in Maria’s current dating life. Then, Alex asks the question we’ve all been wondering… was Maria approached to be The Bachelorette? Maria gets real about all the drama this season, how it impacted her, what really happened at hometowns, and the moment she wanted off the show entirely. This episode is full of tea, crazy stories, and great girl talk… Enjoy!

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• 2:06Speaker 00

  What is up Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:15Speaker 00

  Maria Georgis, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  I am so excited to be here. I love you so much. Okay, I love you.

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  I love you. I'm so excited. I, I can't believe we're finally doing this. First of all, this has been a long time coming, which we will tell the Daddy gang all about. But the entire world fell in love with you when you went on the season of The Bachelor. And ever since it ended, I feel like everyone has quite literally just been waiting patiently for you to speak, and you are finally here.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Yes. So I definitely needed the time to just be on my own. But if I was gonna speak, I was gonna speak here with you today on Call Her Daddy. And I, it was a long time coming, but I'm here now and I'm ready.

• 2:58Speaker 00

  Okay, I have so many questions, so let's just get into it.

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  Okay, before you continue, this is really tight, and I want to slip into something a little bit more comfortable.

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  Okay.

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  I'll be right back.

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• 6:50Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. She's got her little unwell outfit on.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm feeling so myself right now. You have no idea.

• 6:57Speaker 00

  Wait, really?

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Oh my god, this is me, to my core.

• 7:00Speaker 00

  Okay, but every single outfit you slayed this season. Like, for anyone that didn't watch this season, Maria, on The Bachelor, I don't know if I've ever seen someone come with like such good outfits. And I feel like I saw that all online. How did you even pack for this fucking season?

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Oh my god, it was so last minute. You guys have no idea. So I, I always wanted to be on the show. I had dreams about it. I was like, I'm gonna be on the show one day. So I remember, like, I would always buy things in hopes.

• 7:28Speaker 00

  Stop.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  I swear to god, I'm not even kidding. And so when I actually got like, I was like fully in the running. They're like, okay, you're like in it. But I was never getting a solid yes. I was like, waiting, waiting, waiting. Three days prior, they're like, pack your bags, you're coming, you need this, this, and this. I'm like, holy shit, I had three days to pack.

• 7:47Speaker 00

  Why did you always want to be on The Bachelor?

• 7:49Speaker 02

  I love the show.

• 7:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  I love the show. I was such a huge fan. And I had friends on the show, and they-

• 7:56Speaker 00

  You did?

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Wait, I feel like that's D.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I don't know how much I want to say. I feel like there's been, you know, people have talked about it, and I'm sure people know who. But yeah, I've had people that have been on the show that have always said, like, I see you on it. And yeah, and so I was like, I'm gonna fly.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  So you've roman, are you insinuating you've like romantically dabbled with people on the show?

• 8:22Speaker 02

  I wouldn't say romantic, but obviously there was like, um, I don't know what you want to call it, whatever you want to call it. It was just like a good thing going. And yeah, and I just remember talking to him about it. And he was like, I can totally see you. You know what he said to me, actually?

• 8:39Speaker 00

  Should I be asking you like who you're talking about?

• 8:41Speaker 02

  No, you shouldn't.

• 8:45Speaker 00

  I think I have to ask.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I think it's been fairly obvious. And I honestly, I'm so over the rumors and stuff like that. So Nick, obvious, oh fuck, but is this bad? Cause he's like totally married.

• 8:56Speaker 00

  No, I think that's, it's not, you're saying you're like in love with this person?

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Nothing has ever happened between Nick and I, but like, it's always been like a friendship.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  Okay. But, but this, no, no, I think this is fine to say. Nick is one of the biggest people from the franchise. And the fact that like, you had like a little thing with him back in the day.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:15Speaker 00

  But you never hooked up.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:16Speaker 00

  You just had like a flirtatious banter.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Literally, that is all, like, he helped me through breakups. Like, he was a good friend to me at points, and it was great. But I remember, and I, and I never really understood it until actually being on the show. He had said to me, he's like, I can see you being the villain. He's like, you're gonna go on, you're gonna be the villain. And I, I was like, why? Why me? Like, I would never go with the intention of becoming a villain. I didn't go in there to try to piss people off. But I remember him saying, he's like, people are gonna come after you, no matter what. I can just see it. You're gonna be the villain. And it was just funny, because after I finished filming, there was rumors about me being a villain. I'm like, but I wasn't. I know what happened.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Well, I feel like, just to sum it up again, for anyone that didn't watch, like, I feel like people tried really, really, really, really, really, really fucking hard to make you the villain. And then everyone in America watching it was like, no, like, no, she's not the villain, actually. Like, these girls that are basically gaslighting Maria are the villain. Okay, let's go back to the beginning. I love how you were just like dropping bombs left and right.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, please.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  Okay. But I think the, I think it's fine to say the Nick Viall thing. I think he's like happily married now.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, he is.

• 10:23Speaker 00

  And that's great.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I think-

• 10:24Speaker 00

  Everyone in the past.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  And I just want everyone to know that, like, there's no animosity between, between us. Like, I think we have always been friends, obviously, whatever. But yeah, he's always been great to me. And like, I respect his relationship. I respect where he is, is now. I'm happy to see him grow. But yeah, to say that we didn't have a past, that would be a lie. So like, I just hate this, like, it's been all over Reddit. I just want people to know that, like, it's nothing serious.

• 10:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  But also, we respected each other along the way. And I'm happy where he's at now. And I congratulate him.

• 10:56Speaker 00

  Well, I was gonna say, I also think the internet is too smart nowadays, where it's like, if you were connected to anyone in Bachelor Nation, as they say.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  There's a secret. It's out.

• 11:05Speaker 00

  Exactly. So I think it'd be like, you'd be like remiss to not bring it up, because then everyone would be like, you're a liar.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Right. And I have nothing to hide. Like, I go through life where I feel like I have, you want to ask me questions? I want to answer.

• 11:17Speaker 00

  I can tell.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  No, no, really? Can you tell?

• 11:19Speaker 00

  I can tell.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? Like, at the end of the day, I'm like, I'd rather speak on it than people build or create stories out of nothing. There's nothing to talk about there.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  So let's talk about your season.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:33Speaker 00

  You are one of the most popular, I would say, Bachelor contestants in the history of ever. And you just like brought this energy to it, this relatability. You were normal. I think people could be like, see themselves being friends with you. You're a girl's girl. Like, it was great vibes. How did you feel about all this attention?

• 11:51Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. First of all, thank you for saying that. Like, that meant a lot because I was actually talking this, talking about this with my friends. Like, when I had first come back home, I had to sit my family down to let them know, like, what, what kind of, like, shit stupidity I went through in the house. I did not know how it was gonna, like, play out and like, how people were gonna perceive me because in the house, I felt like I was so wrongfully accused of things and people were just like, taking me the wrong way. And so I didn't know how things were gonna play out. The fact that it was an honest edit, I can say, and like, showed exactly who I am. And I said to myself, I'm like, if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, like, exactly who I am. I'm not going on there with some alter ego. Like, no, no, no, I'm gonna,

• 12:35Speaker 02

  when my friends and family are gonna watch, they're gonna be like, that's my Maria.

• 12:38Speaker 00

  Prior to this show.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 00

  Were you someone who was used to a lot of drama in your life?

• 12:45Speaker 02

  The, and I talked about this on the show to Joey. I was like, the last thing I thought I was gonna have problems with were the girls. I thought I was gonna be like them. I thought the only problem I would have is if I like him or not. Or if we can really see each other, like, becoming something. Right? And so when that was my biggest concern in the house, I was like, oh, my God. I, maybe that guy was right. Maybe, maybe it's like, in, in weight. Okay, you wanna hear something? Actually, I actually have something to say.

• 13:12Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  This is actually kinda fucked up. So Sydney, you know Sydney?

• 13:16Speaker 00

  No.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  So, in the house?

• 13:17Speaker 00

  Oh, the one that was the minis you.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So funny enough, no, actually, side note, I don't know if you wanna keep this in, but this actually kinda like concerned me at one point. So, when it first started, like, airing, I remember someone sent me a photo of Nick and Sydney together. They were all friends because Sydney's friends with Ashley, I, and Nick's close with Ashley, and Ashley's close with Sydney, and they were all in a photo together. I'm like, was this all planned? No, I'm not kidding. Besides all this right now, I'm like, straight shooter to you right now. Part of me was like, was this all planned? Because I was like, I did, I knew I was innocent. Like, I knew I was innocent, hand to God.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  So when this all started happening, and then imagine dealing with that in the house, and then coming out and seeing that she's friends with Nick, I was like,

• 14:06Speaker 00

  Right, because Nick had told you.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  There is something conspiring here.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  Okay, so you walk someone through that maybe didn't watch the show. You're basically saying, you're seeing Nick Viall, like, tell you you're gonna potentially be the villain.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  Then you're seeing Nick Viall be friends with the girl that attacked you the whole season.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Okay, keep this shit in, because you know what? I'm not kidding. I was, this was my exact thought process. I was like, there's something weird about all this because it was too close, like, it was too close to home. I was like, this was said, and now this and this. Cause if there was a, if, guys, if there was a moment in the house where I can say, okay, I deserve that, I would say, I would not even begin to think about this. But I was so innocent.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  To someone that has no idea what the fuck we're talking about and has not watched the season of The Bachelor.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  You have these two specific women, I would say.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Three.

• 14:58Speaker 00

  Three, okay, three women that were like, hell-bent on crucifying you.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  Can you give, like, a brief synopsis of, like, what they were trying to, like, basically kill you for?

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, um, there's a point in time where we see Medina. She was one of the older girls. I don't even like to say older. Here we go, the age thing. But she, she had mentioned that she felt insecure about her age. And, um, that she was losing time and she thought, you know, it was, Joey maybe might have not been giving her enough attention because of her age. Um, and I stayed silent during that conversation. She kind of like addressed the room about it. And then, why did I say, and land?

• 15:40Speaker 00

  And man?

• 15:40Speaker 02

  I don't know. Um, so then we were outside and kinda, we had breaks, you know, throughout the day, but we're always being recorded, and I knew that. So, despite having a break, I know, like, we're being recorded. But again, I was in the moment with my friend and we were kind of like, um, going through what was like said or during that moment. We were kinda just like, what's the word?

• 15:58Speaker 00

  Which is like recapping.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Recapping, thank you very much, that moment. And all I said to her was like, I don't get why Medina would say that because, like, I'm in her age group. And I'm just saying, like, she's, she's a beautiful woman, like, literally so beautiful, where I was like, I couldn't even fathom the idea that she was thinking that it had something to do with her age, why Joey's not giving her attention. I'm like, you're so beautiful, own it. Like, you have so much going for you. You have, the age is the last thing you should worry about.

• 16:24Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  But I wasn't saying that to Medina. I was saying that to my friend as we were recapping the night.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Um, and that's why I was like, I wanna preface by saying, like, if Medina had come to me and said to me, Maria, I feel insecure about my age. I know you're like, one of the older girls in the house too. Like, this is how I feel. I would never say, own it, you're hot. Like, I would be like, no, let's talk about it. If this is how you feel, I'm here for you, you know? So, obviously, I was saying what I was saying to my friend behind closed doors, and I was being overheard by Sydney. And instead of A, coming up to me to be like, hey, are you talking about Medina? Cause she's my girl. Instead of like, either coming up to me or talking to me one-on-one to be like, hey, I might have heard this, but I don't know. It, she started this entire thing on something she might have heard.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  So that's where it all kinda started, though. And I think, like, what we can acknowledge for women is, like, age is such a sensitive thing, just because everyone makes us feel like when you hit thirty, it's like, ooh, the to, the clock is ticking. And so I empathize with what she was saying. And then I also agree with what you were saying of like, oh, my God, girl, like, don't even fucking worry. You're hot, you're beautiful, you're young. Like, thirty is young.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  Thirty-one is young.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:35Speaker 00

  Thirty, forty is young.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  We have to, like, retrain our brains to look at, like, women and age in a complete different way. But I think on the show, it brought up a really interesting conversation that you were almost villainized for, like, shitting on this woman for her age, and that was not what you were saying.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And like, uh, everything you said was absolutely right. And for me, I'm like, I can get insecure about my age too, hundred percent. And I have felt insecure about it. But going into The Bachelor, knowing that there's, that, you know, sometimes they cast twenty-three-year-olds and stuff like that. I knew going into it where I was like, I probably am gonna be the oldest one in the house. So I was trying to think posi- positively, so that like, I didn't get into that mindset. So, I thought, in ways, like, I was try, in, in ways, when I was talking to my friend about it, I was trying to encourage myself too, cause like,

• 18:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  hearing her talk about that, you don't think that struck a chord with me? I was like, fuck, maybe like, or, like, cause I am a year older than him, maybe that is weird. I don't know. I started like thinking, I was like, no, no, no, like, we're gonna twist it. No, we're hot, we're confident, let's just do this.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  And I was just having a talk with my girlfriend. I didn't think it was gonna become a thing. I, I wasn't trying to do this in front of a room. Like, I would have been way more sensitive, way more like, you know?

• 18:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, you were almost like debriefing something that clearly related to, cause how old is she?

• 18:49Speaker 02

  She's thirty-one.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  Okay, she's thirty-one, and how old are you?

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Twenty-nine.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm twenty-nine.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:53Speaker 00

  Same age. So, I get what you're saying. It's like, you guys were the oldest in the house, and you immediately saw her freaking out and getting insecure, that you were like, oh, my God, like, should I be insecure? No, we're fucking beautiful, let's go.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Let's just turn this into a positive right now.

• 19:07Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  It's so, you know, in the house, you're so isolated and you, I can see why she was feeling those things. But I, I kinda wanted to like, cause imagine if I just sat there and was like, yeah, we are, we should just like, peace out right now, us old fucks. Like, let's, let's just get the fuck out of here.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  Just mail it in.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  But I was trying to just like, and again, if she had come to me personally, the conversation would have been different. It was just in the moment with my friend. I was just like, yeah.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  And so this kinda begins this feud between you and this girl Sydney, where she like, has it out for you.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:38Speaker 00

  She's literally saying you're like the devil.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. It's funny. I brought devil ears, cause I knew we were gonna be filming during Halloween, and I wore the devil ears like, for a week straight. They cut that out, so maybe we don't talk about that. But like, I loved it. I was like, cause they told me, they're like, yeah, you know, she sees you as a devil. I'm like, and in parts, I was like, wait, but what, like, I was questioning myself.

• 20:00Speaker 00

  Why do you think this girl had it out for you? Like, you said you barely got into drama your whole life with women. Like, your biggest concern was like, am I gonna even like Joey? Like, will I even get along with him?

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:10Speaker 00

  What do you think, if you had to pinpoint it, brought it on this season?

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, I on, cause now getting to know her outside of this, she's an amazing woman. And I, and I honestly can say that in that moment, she really, truly thought she was going to bat for her friend. Um, and like, again, it's so weird to say, like, these girls become our best friends. But when you're in that environment, you become very close to people, and that's how it feels, right? So, I truly think that she was feeling she was going to bat for her friend. She was that ride or die friend. She wasn't gonna like, let anything slide. With the best intentions, just wrongly guided. I don't really know why, because I, guys, when I tell you, you know,

• 20:54Speaker 02

  she had apologized to me there and then when we, I was like, listen, you overheard something, you took it out of context, it wasn't meant maliciously. Um, next time, you know, come to me. She's like, absolutely, we cheersed. The next day, we had that group date where we were, um, doing the talent show. And she hugged me before the group date. And she was like, Maria, I just wanna say again, I'm sorry for taking something out of context. It wasn't shown. We never even got to talk about this. And so I thought, I was like, wow, okay, you know what? And I said to her that day, I go, listen, I'm good to hug you, hug it out and like, we're good, but just, you scare me a little bit. Because we were so good up until the point where you're starting shit with me, where I'm like, where is this coming from? So we hugged it out, we were good.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Later on that night is when she was like, I feel bullied by you. You hugged me earlier that day. It was like, guys, when I say it was crazy, it was crazy. But again, because I know she is a good person, deep down, I think that, again, in this environment, it just brought out the worst.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Well, cause I was gonna say, like, I, I didn't know you guys were close now, which is kinda.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Close, but we're good.

• 22:02Speaker 00

  You're good?

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  Okay. Cause I was gonna say, I thought, I didn't know if you guys were like, friends. And I'm like, that's kinda crazy to go from someone being like, you're bullying me. Like, the, what we watched on TV, I was like, this girl is like, losing her mind on national TV. And it's like, everywhere you would go, she would turn to you and just start like, going after you. And it felt very targeted.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it got to points where she would acknowledge that, like, I can't even be in a room with Maria, cause I feel she's gonna attack me. And there's been so many scenes of us in a room, and I'm like,

• 22:31Speaker 00

  Leave me alone.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  What? So like, I didn't understand. I, and, and to this day, like, you know, her and I didn't get to really talk about what exactly it was that made her say those things about me, because I could, I, like, even thinking about putting myself in her head, I could never say that about someone if I knew that it was so untrue.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Well, I think what was interesting too, and I liked reading the internet during your season, because I thought that women had really interesting takes about you. Like, I remember watching and so many women were like, I feel like half of these girls in the house are having their first bi experience, because everyone is falling in love with Maria. And everyone's like, do I like her more than Joey? I think there was also a lot of jealousy, like, you exude confidence, you like, walked in every room, you looked so fucking hot, you looked insane in your outfits. You have a great personality, and you just led with confidence. And I think in those environments, I can imagine if women are seeing one woman lead with just like, no doubts or fears, you're gonna be like, fuck you, I wish I was like that.

• 23:34Speaker 00

  And I personally felt like a lot of it was driven by jealousy, which sucks, but I think is sadly relatable. If you could go back, is there anything you would have handled differently in all of the drama?

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Well, I just want to say something first, so before going into the house, I had read something, and it was like some book, and it was called, You're Just Not That, you're, there's, what was it, it was like, You're Not That Great, or something like that. And then just like, no, no, but wait.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  What a great book.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  I, no, no, but you know what, the, the, the, the, the meaning behind it meant something to me, and it was just like acknowledging the fact that you're not that great, and like, I never, no, wait, just wait. I don't ever think of myself as like, like, when you say, like, like, it's weird to me even believing when someone's like, oh, someone's jealous of you. Like, I don't look at things like that. Like, I went into this Bachelor world, being like, I'm not gonna be the prettiest girl in the room, I'm not gonna be the best dressed, I'm not gonna be the most, like, exciting to look at or be with, like, I just said, I'm gonna be myself, and if it works, it works. Like, I was so self-aware going into it. So it's funny that, like, people see it as like confidence, and people see it as like, oh, girls are jealous of you.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  It's like, I genuinely went in there being like, I'm gonna be supportive of everyone around, but I'm not, also not gonna think I'm not great, like,

• 24:49Speaker 00

  I now love this, now I love this message. At first, I was like, Maria, where are we going with this? I'm like, I fucking suck, I'm a piece of shit.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  No, no, but like, just acknowledging that, like, you know, like, just knowing who you are, like, I'm not, I'm not overly confident in that way, where I'm like, I'm the shit. I've never thought that way about myself. Um, I thought all the women were, especially night one, going into that house. I was like, there are so many beautiful women around me, that I was like, I'm just gonna be myself, have fun, and then if it works, it works, and it did. And like, so when girls came after me and being like, oh, she, like, people are seeing it as like, oh, you were so confident, and that's why, I'm like, oh my god, I was like, I ne- never once I think I was the prettiest in the room, never once did I think I was the best dressed. That's why, after it aired, and hearing that, like, everyone loved my outfits, and like, everyone thought I was so confident, I was like, damn.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  I love everything you just said, and I truly believe, though, that's where it is confidence, what you're talking about, and it's, I think it's enviable, and I think if, if anyone takes anything from this episode, it's that. It's like, you deciding, I can't be what I'm not, I'm gonna be myself. I, I'm me, I look how I look, I act how I act, and like, I'm gonna present as I am, and if he likes it, and they like it, great, if not, who gives a fuck? First, I do want to talk a little bit about your personal life, because I think you, you came into this Bachelor world, and everyone was like, who is this firecracker? Like, who is this girl, and where did she came from? Who is Maria?

• 26:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  Have you ever been in love before?

• 26:18Speaker 02

  I have obviously, okay, okay, I had a couple boyfriends, I'm gonna say two.

• 26:23Speaker 00

  Two boyfriends?

• 26:24Speaker 02

  I was like, I'm gonna tell you exactly the number. Yeah, I, I don't have that much experience. Um, I always, like, when I'm with someone, I feel loving feelings, but like, to, like, when you're out of it, you kind of think back, and you're like, wait, was I even in love? I don't know, I don't think so. Um, because I want to believe when I am, I know it's gonna be my person, kind of thing. I had loving feelings for everyone that I've ever been with.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  Yep. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense, I think that, no, I think, I think that answers it, I think you would know if you had been in love.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Right, you would think.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  You would know.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  Trust me.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  That's what I'm thinking.

• 27:00Speaker 00

  You would know. Okay, what has been your longest relationship?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Oh, bitch, you're gonna call me right out. Um,

• 27:08Speaker 02

  literally, my, my first boyfriend was like, eight months, but I lived with him for three, so it felt like a fucking century, but, um,

• 27:15Speaker 00

  What?

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Okay, maybe no, I don't know. Okay, listen, I have never had anything long-term, I'm a, I'm a problem.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  I'm the problem.

• 27:26Speaker 00

  Wait, you lived with him for three months?

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 00

  Towards the end of the eight months? And then is that what ended it?

• 27:31Speaker 02

  The beginning.

• 27:31Speaker 00

  You be, wait, oh.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Wait, wait.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Hold on, hold on, you.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  It's just so long ago, it was like, seven years ago, bitch.

• 27:38Speaker 00

  You dated a guy for eight months? You lived with him for three? But how did you start living together, then stay together, but not live together? Walk me through this.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Okay, hold on.

• 27:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Let me think, it was so long ago, guys, it was like, seven years ago. Um, we dated, and hit it off right away.

• 27:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  And he was living alone, I was living with my family, and he was like, I wanna be with you all the time, so come sleep at my house. And then it turned into me, ended up moving, like, ending up moving in with him. Does that make sense?

• 28:10Speaker 00

  And then how did you move out?

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Um, he cheated on me.

• 28:13Speaker 00

  Wait, and then you.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  Bitch, what do you think? He fucking cheated on me.

• 28:20Speaker 00

  Wait, but maybe this makes sense.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  Eight months dating.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  First three months, you're living together.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  He then cheats?

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:27Speaker 00

  You stay?

• 28:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:29Speaker 00

  No.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:30Speaker 00

  No.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Cheating happens towards the end, honey.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, so then why did you move out? It was just.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Because he cheated on me.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, okay, you got your timeline mixed up, you said you lived together in the first three months.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Uh huh, okay, wait, maybe I'm confused.

• 28:42Speaker 00

  You're, the math is not math.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Let me, let me, let me backtrack.

• 28:45Speaker 00

  Eight months together?

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Eight months together, living with him. Okay, so not, I didn't live with him right away, you're right.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  You caught me.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  I know more about your life than you know about. Okay, so he cheats, how did you find out he cheated?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Oh, bitch.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  No, tell me everything.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  I, I'm a Virgo, do you know what Virgos are like?

• 29:03Speaker 00

  No, tell me more.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  I'm an FBI agent.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Like, without being an FBI, FBI agent.

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Um, so basically, so because I was living with him, right? Um, at the time, anyways, so, um, he was in New York with his family, I'll never forget this, this is actually kind of fucked up. But it's okay, you know what, him and I, we laugh about this, because he found, he, he was like, I hope you know, I know, I knew what you did the entire time. We talked about it, listen, it's better to just laugh it off now, but it wasn't a laughing moment at the time, but we can laugh about it now. Anyway, so he was in New York with his dad, and then, um, he was like, yeah, so I was staying at his place, stupid. Anyways, so I'm with, I have all my friends over, and I remember I was in LA, and then Vegas for a wedding, I did like a week trip. And he was so, oh my god, Nick plays into this, because he hated Nick, and Nick hated him.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Fuck that guy, I don't know, because he cheated on me, but it's fine. Um, so, okay, let me get back on track, hold on. Okay, so I, um, so I had gone on that trip, and he was already questioning me being on that trip, being like, you're going there to see him, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, bitch, I'm going to a fucking wedding, like, what is your issue? And we're spending a couple more nights in LA after, after Vegas. I lied, we went to Vegas first, and then we did the wedding in LA.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  There it is, it's, come on, seven years, I haven't talked about this shit, ever.

• 30:21Speaker 00

  It's great.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Um, and so he was already upset with the whole trip, I get back, we're good. He goes to New York, I stay at his place, and I invite my friends over. I had this weird feeling, because the last couple nights in LA, he was kind of like, quiet, like, wasn't really speaking to me. I'm like, bitch, you're my boyfriend, where the, where the fuck? Anyways, no, not like that, I'm very sweet, I'm just like.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  But I get what you're saying, when a boyfriend is quiet.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  You know, what the, you're checking in on me, and then all of a sudden, you're quiet for the next couple days?

• 30:49Speaker 00

  What's going on?

• 30:49Speaker 02

  What the hell's going on? So I remember being like, okay, so I, I, I know, I kept that in my notes, I was like, okay, so this time, this time, he was kind of weird. Sketch. So I get to his place, I'm staying, he leaves, I go to the front desk. This is actually kind of smart, girls, pay attention. So, I go to the front desk, I'm like, oh my god, I left for my trip, but I, as I was waiting for my Uber, um, or whatever I was waiting, I don't know what I said, I'm like, I left my purse on the couch, so right outside of his place, there's a, like, a communal area, and there was a couch, and I was like, I left my purse there, and I can't find my purse. I'm like, I need you to, like, I was sitting here between this time and this time, and I told him the times where I felt like he was being off.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  So he, so the poor front desk man, and by the way, man, I never outed you, even though when you knew I knew what, he knew what I was doing in that mo, I'll explain, but I never outed him, never to my ex, but now I'm outing you, but it's okay, you're probably not even working there anymore. Um, so, so I, I told him, I'm like, from this time to this time, I remember I was sitting there, blah, blah, I don't know where this purse went, and it's like, expensive purse, I need to know where it is. So he's go, he turns the, the fucking screen to me, and he's going through the times, and I, and I told him, he's so, he's a little, it's fine. I told him between, I think I said from 11:00 PM till 3:00 AM. I'm like, I don't know, you have to check to see if my purse was there, and if someone took it. So he's showing me, okay, and I had my girlfriend there, I'll never forget, she fucking screwed it up.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  I was like, game face, I was like, show me the fucking cameras. So I was looking for my purse, all of a sudden, guys, I'll, I kid you not, 3:20, I remember the time, three, it was like something, 3:00 AM, 3:20, don't say that, I don't remember the time, that's kind of weird, but it's fine.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  A fucking bitch shows up to his door.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  No.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Three something AM and then I'm going like this, this is me, I'm like this. I keep my mouth shut. My friend goes, and then he, so now the front desk guy sees that there's another girl, I ain't me, showing up at this time. And then as soon as she fucking gasped, like outing me, he turns to camera, he's like, I, I can't be doing this. I, I'm sorry. I, I, I, whatever. I was like, I was like, no, no, no, no, don't, don't worry. And he, in that moment, knew that, that he knew that what I was trying to do and, and he knew that now he outed my boyfriend for having a girl show up at his place at 3 AM while I was gone. But in that moment, I went, no, no fucking way. And so it gets worse. So I kept my mouth shut.

• 33:11Speaker 00

  You didn't say anything?

• 33:12Speaker 02

  No, of course I didn't.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  The poor front desk man.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  I, no, I, I never outed him.

• 33:16Speaker 00

  Until Call Her Daddy.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  To this day, I'm so sorry, sir. But um, to this day, never outed him, never outed him. I go back in. I, you know, actually, it's kind of funny. I went for a walk. I played some music. I pretended I was like in a music video, like sad, cried. I don't know. I don't know what I did. I did some like weird shit. But then I went back and then, so days later, he comes back. We're good. He throws a party, okay?

• 33:36Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Guys, listen to this. It gets fucked. So he throws a party. Oh my God, poor guy. He's probably like gonna watch this and be like, listen, at the end of the day, don't cheat on your girlfriend, because one day she's gonna live to tell the tale. She's gonna live to tell the fucking tale. So don't cheat on your girlfriend. Um, anyways, so he throws a party, family, friends. And remember, I saw that bitch. I saw her. Oh, you're gonna, you're gonna, wait for the twist at the end. So I saw her. So I, I, I knew how she looked. He throws a party fans, family and friends at his restaurant. He's still in a restaurant. Oops. Cut that out, because that'll be very obvious. Okay, who, let's be real, I only had one fucking ex and everyone knows. It's fine. But cut it out, maybe. I don't know. Keep it in, do whatever you want. Um, so, so he throws a party, family and friends. There's a separate table of like randoms that I don't know. Who shows up?

• 34:21Speaker 02

  She does. But I keep myself, I keep my mouth shut. I see him go over to her, hug her, kiss her. So I go, perfect. That's my in. So he comes back. I'm like, who, who's that girl that you kiss on the cheek? Like, like, who's that? He's like, oh, she's just a friend, like da, da, da. I was just saying hi. I'm like, okay, that was a little like, a little much to say hi to a friend, right? So I'm watching her, watching her. So later on that night, I was like, fuck it, I'm done. I'm done. I'm so out. Like, the fact that he's now bringing this girl around me.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  That's the most fucked up part.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Casually.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  Wait, and how long had you waited to, like, how long is this between you? A week. You saw the video footage and now you're at the party?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't long. I just didn't know how I was gonna like, like do it, but I was out.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  No, but that's like, that's mentally fucked to put your fucking mistress in the same room with your girl. Come on.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  I actually have more tea.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Oh my God, it just keeps flowing.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Oh shit. So basically, because when he was showing me the cameras, I saw a bunch of guys go in first, all his friends. And then she showed up like hours later, like 3 AM. But they were, like, I didn't see the friends leave. So I was, in my head, I was like, okay, maybe this might not be what I think it is. And like, he's already thinking I'm seeing Nick and now, so there were so many things where I was like, okay, I can't overthink, because if you're looking at it just based on like what you, like how it looks, I want to know proof. But anyways.

• 35:33Speaker 00

  Right.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  But cut that out. No, make him look bad. It's fine.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  No, no, but I get, but okay, but.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  I was in my head, I was kind of like, fuck, maybe, maybe not.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  You're rationalizing, which I guess.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  I was rationalizing when I shouldn't have.

• 35:42Speaker 00

  You were telling him, I'm not cheating on you with Nick. I'm not seeing Nick. I'm literally going to a wedding. But he's like, I know you have a past with him, blah, blah, blah. Then he starts acting sketchy and in your mind, you're like, is he making this decision because he thinks I was being shady with Nick when I wasn't?

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:56Speaker 00

  And then all of a sudden, you see her at 3 AM and then your brain rationalizes, even though you goddamn know well what he was doing.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Showing up at 3 AM by herself.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  Maybe she's there for the after-party. Oh, we know what the after-party was.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  Okay, so. His pee pee.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  His pee pee and her fucking punani. Yeah, a hundred percent. Anyway, so I saw her there and again, I didn't say anything, whatever. And then we got back to the house and I'm like, who's that girl? And he, he was just kind of being like, she was a friend, she's a friend. I'm like, so then why? And I, I laid it all out there. I was like, why did she show up at your house at this time, this date? Da, da, da, da, in a red dress, da, da, da. I was like saying it all. And he, to this day, to this day, will say nothing ever happened. But want to hear some funny shit?

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Please.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  So as a Virgo, right?

• 36:36Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  We're very thorough. So I need to get to the nitty gritty. I need to know. I was never gonna get my answer from him, you know? So I, okay, so. I, I dance, okay? I take heel classes and I do all that. So I met a girlfriend there and she was going out one night and she texted me. She was like, come meet me. I go, who you out with? She sends me a photo. She's with that girl.

• 36:59Speaker 00

  No.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  So I go, perfect. Oh, just wait. So I'm like, perfect, I'm gonna meet this girl. But again, I wasn't gonna go meet her with the intention to be confrontational. Like, I was just going to see who this girl is. I want to meet you. I want to look you dead in the eyes. You know me, I don't know you. You don't know that I know you, but I know you. Anyways, we hit it off. Love her.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Love her. Sweetest fucking girl ever. So nice.

• 37:20Speaker 00

  That makes it all so much worse. You're like, fuck.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was great.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  And did she know you were dating him?

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, do you have an Instagram? It was very fairly obvious. Like, there was no excuse on her end. But at the end of the day, I'll never blame the girl.

• 37:35Speaker 00

  Ever.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  He owed something to me.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  And you never know what they say in the moment. Like, oh, we're on a break.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  Oh, she, you know what I mean?

• 37:41Speaker 02

  Oh, to this day, I am not upset with her. Oh, actually, I'm great friends with her.

• 37:45Speaker 00

  Oh, but you know what I mean? Like, I always think about like when women are like, oh my God, my husband cheated and fuck this woman. And I'm like, I swear to God, when a man takes off his pants and he's hard and he's staring at a woman. And the woman's like, wait, don't you have a wife or don't you have a girlfriend? They're like, she just got run over by a bus. She's dead. She, we buried her last week.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  She beats me at night.

• 38:01Speaker 00

  Where she beats me. It's the whole thing. They will say whatever they, when they look down and they look up, they're like, whatever I can do to get inside.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 38:09Speaker 00

  So we can't blame the women.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Yep, yep.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  Okay, so.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  So.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  You're tap dancing.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  So we're, we're friends. We become friends at night. And then to the point where like, we're like hanging out and we're us three hanging out. To a point where I even, okay, this is actually psychotic.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, go ahead. It's Call Her Daddy. Nothing is that crazy.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Okay, so I, I, one night, we were all out and I was a little drunk and I'm like, I need to see if this girl's a good kisser. Only because I was like, I want to see.

• 38:34Speaker 00

  I'm obsessed with you.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  I was like, no, I want to know what the fuck she has that I don't, that like this all happened. So I made out with her one night. But to this day, like, we were totally, it was all jokes, whatever, blah, blah, blah. It's fine. I love women. I love men. I love men more. But it's fine. It's fine. I just did it for my own sanity. Again, Virgos, we're fucked.

• 38:53Speaker 00

  You wanted to understand what you were missing.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  Right. I wanted to know what he was dealing with, if, if, if I had anything like, I don't know. I don't know what the hell. I just did it because I need to do it. She knows all this now.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  So then, so then, so we became friends, like really good friends, like we're all good, whatever. And one night, she calls me. Okay, guys, listen to this. And mind you, I had broken up with him. I said what I said to him. He denied it. He doesn't know now that I'm like having a friendship with this girl.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  She calls me. She's like, Maria, I need to see you. I'm like, yeah, come over. She comes over. She starts to cry. She's like, I have to be honest about something. She's like, Maria, I love you. Like, you're such a good person. Like, I just, like, I feel like I need to be honest about something. I go, let me stop you right there. I knew this entire time. It was like a whole, like, this could be a movie. This could be a movie.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  And this could be the whole episode.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  Oh my God. I know, right? Anyways, no, just long, long story short, I just basically said to her, I'm like, listen, like, I met you with intention to see who you were as a person. I loved you that night. You were so fun, so sweet. Like, at the end of the day, I didn't hold anything against you because my ex, he was supposed to respect me and like not do that shit to me.

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• 42:45Speaker 00

  Joey.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  Oh, back to Joey?

• 42:47Speaker 00

  Back to Joey.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  Joey the Bachelor.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 42:50Speaker 00

  So you had never brought a guy home in your life? Is this real?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  That became, okay, here's the thing.

• 42:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  I think we were, it's like the semantics of it. It's like, yes, have men met my dad and like my, like my parents? Yes. Like my ex met my parents. But have I ever brought them into my home? Where my, like, my family met, like, no.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  But like, have they met my parents and the people that matter? Yeah, sure. Did I introduce them to my brothers? No, like, like, the entire family, no. But my parents, yes. And like my friends, absolutely always. But like, the idea of just like, it was just, just, yeah, I didn't bring them home. But it doesn't mean that they weren't, like,

• 43:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  acquainted with my parents and like people that mattered to me. It's just like, it was the idea of just like, it's the first guy that I'm gonna introduce to everyone all at once.

• 43:40Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Does that make sense?

• 43:41Speaker 00

  Yes, completely.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:43Speaker 00

  Do you think you and Joey would have actually made it in the real world?

• 43:45Speaker 02

  Um, it would have been greatest friends. Like, we were so, um, like, funny together, where we, like, liked the same movies, like, had the same banter. But, and we obviously liked to, like, we liked each other, but I don't, I, you know what? I don't know. I don't know. I think him and Kelsey makes such a good match because he was always one to always kind of need reassurance. Does that mean to say? It's not mean to say, because that's what he was very vocal about on the season. And I think that, like, Kelsey's the kind of woman that gives it to him, but like, also is very confident and gets it too from him. Like, I don't know, they work so perfectly together.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  I don't know how to explain it, but, um, I've never seen two people so into each other. It just worked. I don't know if I could have given him what, exactly what he wanted all the time. And so, um, I don't know, but I, I think that we were great friends.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. What's something that a guy could do that would immediately give you the ick?

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Oof. Dance. Oh, shit. I don't, you know, here's the thing. I don't mind, you know, you know, have you ever seen those guys who like, start breaking out into dance? But they're so bad, but they think they're so good?

• 44:59Speaker 00

  When are they breaking out into dance? Like, give me contact.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  That's the problem, they do.

• 45:02Speaker 00

  No, wait, like, where?

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Bitch, anywhere there's a fucking tune. I don't know. Here's the thing, here's the thing, like, but here's the thing, this is where, where the difference lies.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Like, when they're dancing but being silly and like, just owning that they're bad. But there's some that are so bad, but they think they're good. That's where I get the ick.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  The full ick.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  That's where I'm like, oh my God, muddle on, you're not it.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  No, that's, that makes sense.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  What's the craziest thing an ex has ever done to you?

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Date thirty-two women at the same time.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  Sorry.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Bachelor.

• 45:36Speaker 00

  Wait, I thought, oh my God. I didn't, I didn't get that at first, I was like.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, this happened more than once in my life. No, just the Bachelor.

• 45:44Speaker 00

  Fuck, I literally did, okay. Oh my God, yeah, can we talk about that? How did you deal with the jealousy?

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Okay, so here's the thing. And I'm gonna be very, very honest with you. In that moment. Oh, fuck, should I say it?

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Should I say it?

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. You should always say whatever comes to your brain, sweetie.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  I'm on a roll tonight.

• 46:06Speaker 00

  It's like one o'clock in the afternoon.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  I'm gonna be honest about something. I know, tonight, whatever, today. So I'm gonna be honest with something. So Jen and I.

• 46:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Jen and I, so Jen kissed him on the group date.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  I went up to her because I just, like, you know when you're very self-aware, like, you know your place and things? And I just knew Joey and I were never gonna be endgame. Yes, could I have made it further? Sure, hundred percent. Like, we had that connection. I just didn't think I was gonna be endgame and he was gonna be endgame for me. And so, I told Jen that day that I was gonna use that as an excuse to leave Joey.

• 46:43Speaker 00

  Use what? That she kissed him?

• 46:46Speaker 02

  That's, this is tea. This is tea, bitch.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Wait, walk me through what you're talking about.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  So, there's a scene where, um, Jen kisses Joey. And that's where I'm like, Jen kissed Joey? I am disgusted. Um, but I, I, you know, I was very close to her and I just felt like I needed a way out. And it wasn't, it had nothing to do with him. Joey is great. Like, Joey is actually such a catch and that's why I'm so happy. Like, I think finding happiness was like, knowing that he's happy with someone that loves him so much. And that, I was, I'm so happy for him. I just knew it was never gonna be me. And so I was like, I need a way out. And so I used Jen kissing him in that moment that pissed me off as an excuse to leave.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Okay, can I say what I'm getting from that? As, I think that now with reality television, there's, in a beautiful way, there's so much more that people understand.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  That these environments are so fucking heightened and there's, you're in this bubble and you are feeling feelings that maybe you wouldn't feel in the outside world. Or maybe you are feeling feelings, but they're heightened because of, and so I can imagine that the moment you started to realize, like, maybe I'm actually not endgame? And maybe we're better as friends? And maybe there's still doubts in your head if you're right or wrong. Then you see him the next day and you're like, oh, but he's so cute. And like, and then there's also.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  And when he fights for you to stay, you're kind of like, okay, shit, maybe I'm like misguided. I, I'm, I need to be in this. And that's kind of how I felt during hometowns. I was like, he fought for me so hard, whether they showed the entirety of that, and that's fair. But in that moment, he did fight for me to stay. And so when it came to hometowns, I'm like, okay, I'm dropping my walls. I'm giving this my all. But like, that moment in Jasper, when I was trying to leave, it was, it was a little bit of a, I was just trying to give him a way out.

• 48:41Speaker 00

  Cause I'm gonna be honest, now that you're saying it, it makes more sense. Because, again, to context, if people didn't watch that episode, you're sitting on the couch with him, you're basically saying like, I can't do this anymore. I am jealous, I'm seeing you kiss other women, like, I can't handle it.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  I knew what I signed up for.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  And I think you could tell, though, there was something else going on. Cause you were being kind of sporadic of like, you're walking back and forth. You were like, I can't do this, Joey. And you could tell, like, that wasn't the real reason. And you could tell he was so confused.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  You could tell that.

• 49:11Speaker 00

  I could tell that I'm also like.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Speculating and I was like, guys.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  But I feel like that's what my job is to do, is just like, read people sitting across from me and I.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  And you do a really fucking good job.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Thank you. But on TV, I was immediately like, this is not, this is not the whole story. So you knew kind of in that moment, maybe it's time for me to go. And then he fought for you, which maybe you're saying, we didn't see the whole extent to which he fought.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did, you didn't, you didn't.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  And then we get to hometowns and then that was kind of.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Cause I was like, I don't want to say I was like forced to believe, but I, I mean, you want to believe someone's actions and like, how hard he fought for me that night? Where I was like, okay, you know what? I need to get my head in the game. Like, I do feel good, great things about him. I think he's great and I am in it. But I didn't know where he was at and there was like, there was some sort of disconnect. But when he fought for me so hard, I was like, okay, this is like something that could be real. And Maria, like, stop fucking this up.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  And so at hometowns is where I fully dropped my walls and then I got sent home. And I was like, okay.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  This is why I protect myself. Yeah. So I'm like, and that's what I've kind of learned, like, I've become accustomed to like, being disappointed by men. And this has nothing, nothing to do with Joey. I don't, when I talk like this, it has nothing to do with Joey, cause he was just doing his part in the show. And like, he had more stronger feelings for other women and that's fine. But, um, I just feel like when I turn to like protecting myself, where I'm like, almost, um, self-sabotaging, I feel like it's like self-protection.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  Got it. Cause aside from Joey, have you ever been in a situation where you told someone you loved them and they didn't say it back?

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Hmm, more like, they come on strong in the beginning and like, they're like all in and I push them away. And then when it gets to the point where they're like, I can't, okay, you know, you keep pushing me away, I'm actually gonna go. And then when they actually go, I'm like, wait, I didn't mean that. I was just joking, get your ass over here. And they're like, hmm, I don't know if I can, like, they don't believe me anymore. And I, I, but then in the end, like I said, I, something happens where I'm like, there's a reason why I was pushing them away in the beginning.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  Right.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Because I, they, they do something where I'm like, they weren't even, I don't know if I even believed them to begin with. But there's been times where like, they come on strong. It's like, whenever they're at the same time. I'll say that.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  I think that's a, naturally, you will get to a point where.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  I don't believe that it's gonna happen at the same time, where I'm not gonna do that in the beginning.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  What you're doing, Maria, is you're testing them to see, in your brain, you think pushing them away.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  I'll see if they stay, if they stay. But what you're gonna eventually stop doing, because that's not healthy, is you'll realize, oh, you're pushing them away and they're like, okay, I'll leave. Like, you can only push so much someone away to the point where they're like, okay, you're, and imagine if you just didn't.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Oh, I had an epiphany recently. I'm not joking, like, a whole, like, I'm like a whole different person now. Like, when I'm gonna open up to someone and like, I feel it initially and that, that initial attraction to me is so hard to come by. Like, I don't just have it for anyone, but when I do, I'm not playing those games. Like, I've learned now the hard way. And so for me, I'm so open to just letting myself be happy for the first time, where I've realized that this is what I want.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's what I'm saying, like, you know, shit has happened in the past, but I grow from it every time.

• 52:24Speaker 00

  Totally, but I will say, cause I want to make sure, you know, like, I'm not judging you.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 52:28Speaker 00

  Literally until Matt, like, that is, that was my game. I would be like, oh my God, I'm gonna make sure he really fucking likes me by giving, never giving him anything. They go so hard and it definitely does something to your ego. You're like, oh my God, like.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  I know, like, so hard, I'm like, holy shit, like, keep coming. Yeah, but it's not, it's not good.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  And then when they turn around, you're like, we get back here. What are you doing? And it's like, bitch, you have been literally destroying me for the past couple of months.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  I've been trying everything. I sent you flowers, I'm so sweet, I take you to dinners and you give me nothing. And now when I leave, now you want me?

• 52:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  Fuck you.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a very immature, you know, like, I, I'm done with that song and dance. Like, I'm really over it. And so I think it needed to happen for the last time, for me to be like, hey, wake your shit up, because you are capable of so much. And like, I know what I bring to the, to the table and like, what I can offer someone. So doing that kind of game is just, it's not cutting it anymore. And I don't, I don't even want to do that anymore, cause it, it hurts me to hurt someone else.

• 53:24Speaker 00

  Well, I think what was positive to see is like, I feel like we like watched you grow on The Bachelor.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Like, when you were like, fuck, maybe I do have to let my walls down, like, cause Joey kept being like, do you like me?

• 53:35Speaker 02

  I know.

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Hello? And you're like, I don't know, like, we'll see tomorrow. And it was like, it was so classic what you're describing and I think it's so relatable, because I think it's like, this want to not be vulnerable. And you want to make sure they like you before you're vulnerable with them. But for you to actually know, if you guys like each other, you have to be vulnerable in the fucking first place.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 53:55Speaker 00

  So you can't be like walls up the whole time. And I think that like, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, like, I feel like you, you left The Bachelor. In a better position for your love life because you're like, I now know

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 54:07Speaker 00

  What I'm gonna move forward and I'm what I'm gonna do when I meet someone that I'm actually attracted to. I'm not gonna make them think I hate them.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  I know. I know. I have to let them know. I know a hundred percent and like,

• 54:19Speaker 02

  being on The Bachelor, it showed my friends and family that I am a lot more emotional than they've ever seen me. That was probably the hardest thing, watching it back, was having my friends and family see how much I cried. Because I don't cry. That's just not my thing. I am not that girl.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  And so they couldn't even believe it. They're like, holy shit. Like, but it was, it was a lot more than just crying over a guy. It was like, I was being, I felt like I was at war at times, where it was like just so many things accumulated into one. Where I was like, okay, I'm, I'm so drained, but I did. It, it, it opened me up. It wa, it allowed me to know that it's okay to be vulnerable and to let my feelings out. And it's better sooner than later because a guy that likes you and wants something with you should know how you feel. Because that's the only way your guys are gonna move forward. And I, I totally get it now.

• 55:09Speaker 00

  Everything you're saying, I think, led to this perfect

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 55:15Speaker 00

  obvious next step, which is, we need to talk about The Bachelorette.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  Because we watch you almost as like your character arc. It's like you come in and you're like, your walls are up and you're kind of falling for this guy, but you don't know if you can because you don't know if he likes you. And then you let him in and then you get heartbroken, but you learn so much and like, we're all rooting for you. I felt like America was rooting for you and America was absolutely devastated when you were not announced as The Bachelorette.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 00

  Were you offered the role as Bachelorette?

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• 58:32Speaker 00

  Were you offered the role as Bachelorette?

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Obviously, I have been trying my hardest to stay silent about this, but I think that moving forward and if I'm going to be in this world, like, I have to be honest, especially with the people who have supported me. And the answer is yes. Yeah, I was offered the role. I mean, it was mine until I said it wasn't. And yeah, it became very overwhelming to the point where I had to decline.

• 59:00Speaker 00

  So, thank you for sharing.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  How far along were you in the process of like, becoming The Bachelorette until you pulled out?

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I, to the point where I was doing fittings. Like, it was set in stone. I was in it.

• 59:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Again, like,

• 59:20Speaker 02

  you know, bringing up Jen and all of this, like, I, you know, she was one of my closest girls in the house and she was always verbalizing how badly she wanted this. And when everyone around me was so supportive of me being in this position and everyone wanted this for me, I kind of took a second. I'm like, why am I not happy? Why am I not excited about this? And it took me like, realizing that it's just not my time, where I was like, guys, respectfully, I need to decline. I need to take a step back. I was not in the red, right, right headspace for this, especially knowing that like, because I know the extensive process it was to be on the show, right? So having a bunch of guys do the exact same thing and they're there for me, I didn't want to waste anyone's time.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  And honestly, like, yeah, it was, it was hard for me to kind of jump right back into it, honestly.

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  I mean,

• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  I think I can be honest, like,

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  You were about to come on the show and we were gonna announce you as The Bachelorette.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  What, like a month ago?

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:00:26Speaker 00

  And that, I remember I was gonna have you on on like, a Monday. And on like, Sunday, I get the call, like, Maria went back to Toronto.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:34Speaker 00

  What were those like, next few days like, once you turned it down?

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I,

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  the one thing about having such a great, like, production behind you and like, my producers were so supportive of me and like, just being open and honest of where I was mentally and how I felt about everything, you know, like, everyone was so excited and I know what the season could have been like and it would have been great. I just was not ready and, you know, coming back home, I just, when I say that I just wanted to come back home, back to reality and just take time off from all of this, like, I meant it and I think people saw that and recognized that I wasn't posting as much and like, I was not speaking on things. Because as much as like, I wanted my time off, but I also wanted Jen to have her moment.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  And like, she is the most perfect Bachelorette in my eyes. If like, I couldn't think of anyone better to do this and she was so ready for it and that was enough for me to kind of say, yeah, this is, it's not my time. It was, it was a hard time because everyone, again, everyone was so wanting this for me. But I, yeah, I just, I just needed to be home with my family and friends and take that time off, to be honest.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  When you saw how devastated America was, like, how did it make you feel?

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, a part of me obviously was so grateful and like, I, like, when people even come up to me and ask for a photo or talk to me and like, love me off, I'm like, I'm in awe of you, like, I don't deserve this. I'm just so appreciative of it. And like, that was one thing that kind of kept me going in this, in this process because I was like, I want to do this for them. You know, like, I want to do this for the people that love and support me, but in my time, like, that's not doing it for the right reasons.

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  Okay, but when you say you, it wasn't your time and you weren't ready.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:31Speaker 00

  You're saying you weren't

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  Why? Like, I, I need to understand a little bit more. Like, why, why did you turn it down?

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Well, okay, like, I, what people saw on, on their screens was only the half of what I kind of went through in the house. Like, yes, did I have time off before it aired? Yes. But again, everything was so like, I was so anxious throughout the whole thing. Um, and I get it. It would have been my own show. It would have been me kind of having, like, more control over things. But again, like, it's so isolating being in there. And I would have had to give up my phone. Again, my freedom, like, not my freedom, but you know, like, having to be alone in that. And I don't, I just wasn't, I wasn't comfortable. I wasn't just mentally prepared for it.

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  I think that's to, I appreciate you sharing that because again, I think it's like, so many of the women from this season would have been amazing bachelorette.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  So many, yeah.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  And

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Jen, though, is the perfect pick.

• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  She's gonna be, she's gonna be great. And you would have been great. And it would have been completely different seasons. But I appreciate you saying, and I think, I wish, I think what you're doing, more people should take note of, of like, you're not running for the clout and the fame. Like, there was an obvious answer of like, you would be on TV for another how many episodes? And everyone would see your face? And you'd be on posters and billboards? And you prioritize it? You were like, I literally am so fucking anxious, and I don't feel good, and I'm gonna prioritize that over getting my bag to the right?

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. Hundred percent. Like, that never interest me, interested me to begin with, going on the show. And I wasn't ready to milk my 15 minutes. Like, I, when I, like, I remember Wells, um, he's, he was like, I don't know, he did the bartending on, yeah, so he went out on a podcast, and he was saying that I had all these expectations, that I had all these, um, I don't know, whatever the hell.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  Like, requirements and, and asks.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Yes. And that one was, I wanted my phone the entire time, and I wanted my friend to be a producer. And it's like, like, I wanted so badly to shut that shit down. But again, I just didn't think it was my time or my place. But like, and he was like, oh, everyone's gonna forget about her and Daisy. Like, like, this is the, this is gonna be their biggest regret. Forget about me. Like, I am so, at the end of the day, I have to do what's best for me. And if that's what, like, it's, it was so disheartening to hear someone who knows this process, knows what they put us through, like, not what they put us through, but like, knows, like, how, like, intense it is. And like, you have to be fully committed, like, knows, like, how mentally draining and, like, physically draining this could be, to like, say something like that. It's like,

• 1:05:15Speaker 00

  Literally, shut the fuck up.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  Like, you don't know me. You don't know me. And like, I'm a very respectful person. So that, that went so against my character, and I want so badly to speak up on that, because it's so not true. Like, everyone knows, you get your phone taken away, and that's it.

• 1:05:29Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  Well, it's also just, like, so tacky. It's like, he's been in this franchise for so long. It's like, did you ask Maria if that, those were her request? Did you hear it through the grapevine? Because if those weren't your request, right, like, don't speak on shit that you don't know about. And also, not to be a dick, but it seems like, I'm sure Wells would have loved to be the Bachelor back in his day.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. But here's the thing, you know, it's, it's kind of like contradicting for you to say, I'm gonna be forgotten because I'm not Bachelor. But then where do you stand? You were never Bachelor.

• 1:05:59Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  So are you forgotten? Well, I don't know you, so you're forgotten in my head. But like, no, that's kind of mean. Don't say that. I'm sorry, Wells. Come make me a drink, babe. But, um, at the end of the day, I'm just saying, like, I would never say that about someone else. I support whatever anyone else wants to do. If they, if they're, at the end of the day, what I wanted people to understand why I took my break was like, they would say, okay, you know, it was fairly obvious, everyone wanted me as Bachelorette. Obviously, I was gonna be asked. I think that was obvious. So if I didn't do it, there had to be a reason, and had to be because of me. And because I had to take a step back. So for him to say it was because of this and the other thing, like, Wells?

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Wells?

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  That's all I gotta say. I just didn't like it. I was like, I, like, just talk to me, and you know what, ask me, and I would tell you, you know, this is not, but like, I'm not, I don't disrespect, especially the team that was there for me, who was, who were leaving their families for me, to like, be there by my side. Like, I respect them so fricking much. And that, it broke my heart, because I knew how badly, everyone, again, everyone.

• 1:07:08Speaker 00

  Wanted it. No, I agree with you on the Wells thing. I think it's just like, a dumb comment made by someone who, like, clearly would have, he's speaking from what he would have done. And we're like, we know Wells, you would have loved to be Bachelor back in the day. But I don't think he thinks he's irrelevant. So like, why do you have to be irrelevant if you don't take the Bachelorette?

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  In different ways. Like, we have other things that we would like to do. And if it means me going back to reality, going back to my day to day, what does that have to do with you? And don't, don't talk negative about, about it. Like, it's okay. This, this, this, I understand I was on a reality show. But I, it was real life to me, too. Like, I, if I want to go back home and just go back to me, I am able to do that. And I wanted to do it, and I did it.

• 1:07:51Speaker 00

  Done. Okay, but now that we're not gonna see you on the show, and we're not gonna get to see you date 32 men, what is going on in your dating life? Are you single?

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  I'm so single.

• 1:08:00Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  I'm so single.

• 1:08:03Speaker 00

  Are we gonna see you in Bachelor in Paradise?

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  No Paradise, no.

• 1:08:06Speaker 00

  No Paradise.

• 1:08:07Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:08:07Speaker 00

  Okay, so how are you approaching your dating life right now?

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  Um, you know, I just wanna meet someone organically. Is that the word?

• 1:08:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  Um, like, old school, you know? I just want someone to, like, come up to me while I'm grocery shopping, or at a bookstore, even though I don't read. I'll just be there one day. Like, I just wanna meet someone the way, like, I don't know, back in the day, no social media. I know my DMs are open.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 1:08:35Speaker 00

  Who have you gotten DMs from? Shut that fuck up. Shut up. Look at that. You, I can already tell when you're lying to me. Your jaw just, no one.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  No, I swear.

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  Who's in there?

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  You, are you hooking me up?

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  Who's in there?

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  Do you wanna look at my DMs? Give her my phone.

• 1:08:48Speaker 00

  Have you not gotten a celebrity DM yet?

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  From who? Who? Who? Tell me.

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  Who, who has messaged you from?

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Who's DMing you?

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  Who?

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Who's DMing you?

• 1:08:57Speaker 00

  I'm married. Shut up. Who, who have you gotten DMs from? Come on.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  Um, like, just Bachelor Nation.

• 1:09:03Speaker 00

  Oh, give us one. Come on.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  No, but, the, the, the Golden Bachelorette.

• 1:09:09Speaker 00

  What? I didn't even say the Golden Bachelor. I'm like, fuck Maria.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  No, no, no. The Golden Bachelorette. Like, people who support me. You know what?

• 1:09:18Speaker 00

  Man.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  It has always been, no, none. Bitch, can you hook me up?

• 1:09:23Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Evan Peters, if you're watching this, I saw you at Coachella, and I did not like that. Um, but I'm open.

• 1:09:28Speaker 00

  Wait, the guy that played Dahmer?

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. He, don't say that. He was in so many other fucking things. You're gonna let people know that I'm interested in fucking Dahmer? Not Dahmer.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  Are you into like kinky shit like that in the bedroom?

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. But I like horror, right? So he's like, the horror icon of our generation.

• 1:09:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  He's so hot.

• 1:09:46Speaker 00

  Okay, so no guys in your DMs, except for Bachelor Nation?

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  Guys in my DMs?

• 1:09:49Speaker 00

  Maybe.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  But I don't want that, though.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  You wanna meet someone at Stagecoach this weekend? You're dancing in the moonlight. Postmod alone is singing. You're like, oh, and then someone grabs your arm.

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Is he gonna grab my arm?

• 1:10:01Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Hold my leg.

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  Oh, my God. Wait a second.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:10:06Speaker 00

  Are you that flexible?

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  I could be.

• 1:10:08Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  I could be, guys. Uh, I'm flexible. Take note.

• 1:10:12Speaker 00

  Are you doing splits on the PP?

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  I,

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  I could be. Hey, why not?

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  Wait, do you?

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  Backflip on that shit.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  Do you use your dance moves in the bedroom?

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:10:27Speaker 00

  No. Just your flexibility.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Just my flexibility. Yes, yeah. I can throw my leg behind my head. You guys hear that? DMs are open. I'm joking. I don't want fucking DMs. I really don't. Guys, I'm not kidding. I,

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  Who would you answer in your DMs, except for Dahmer? Who else?

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  Not Dahmer, man. Evan Peters.

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  Sorry, Evan Peters, sorry.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Okay. Um, who would I? I don't know. Someone who's sweet, kind, um, ready for a relationship? No games. Um, I don't know. Who do you think I should answer?

• 1:11:00Speaker 00

  I need to think about that. I'm trying to think if Matt has any friends, so we can keep it in the family.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  I like, I don't like a guy, like, I used to think I wanted a guy with, like, a big, big, big personality.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, no.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  But we're gonna clash.

• 1:11:11Speaker 00

  No, they need to shut the fuck up and let us be the stars.

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:13Speaker 00

  I learned that soon. I was like, okay, when I started really reading on my Leo chart, I was like, oh, I can't have Leo.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  Bitch. I'm rising Leo.

• 1:11:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, there we go.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  What are you, rising what?

• 1:11:22Speaker 00

  I think there could be a Virgo in there, or I'm just saying not to make you excited.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Wait, so, so what's your boyfriend, husband?

• 1:11:29Speaker 00

  He's, um, he's an Aries, and it works perfectly. It works perfectly.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Because, Ty, is fire and fire.

• 1:11:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's great. But he's like, he's great. He's, I just run the house, and then he's great.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Well, he's great, because he got you.

• 1:11:41Speaker 00

  Because he's like dominant, but not in the way that, like, I actually have the last word.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  But that's what I'm saying. That's what I want. I want a man, but who lets me have the, you're fucking, you get it.

• 1:11:49Speaker 00

  Like, have your independence, and like, don't be terrified of your success. And like, when you're in a room, he's like, go do your thing, babe.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Yes, because they know, at the end of the day, you're gonna make them feel like the biggest man in that fucking room.

• 1:11:57Speaker 00

  Yes, yes. Boom. Okay, we're gonna play a game. Since you're now dating, I'm gonna give you a scenario.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  Am I dating? Okay, go.

• 1:12:03Speaker 00

  Okay, well, you're dating. Well, you're, you're trying to. Okay, I'm gonna give you a scenario that could happen on a, okay, what?

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  Sorry, I'm like, I'm not trying that hard.

• 1:12:10Speaker 00

  Okay. I'm gonna give you a scenario, okay?

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Speaker 00

  That could happen on a first couple of dates with someone, and you're gonna tell me what you would do.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  He subtly flexes how much money he makes.

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  I pay the bill and leave. Make him feel low. Take his balls and come right off. Take your money and go impress some other bitch.

• 1:12:34Speaker 00

  Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 1:12:36Speaker 00

  No, I love it. No, I love it. This is great. Is there any scenario where it would be hot if someone's flexing about their money?

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  No, never. Absolutely never. And you know what? The richest people know. Not to say I know all the richest people, but they know they don't flaunt it that way. And the people that do, don't actually have it. I like a guy who's modest. Modest?

• 1:12:54Speaker 00

  Modest. No, well, not modest with his money. Like, I want you to spend money.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Right, no, but I mean, like, I don't need him to talk about it. Like, who are you trying to impress?

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  Like, it's almost like you want to know he's wealthy through what he says of like, oh, my God, like, I can't wait to take you to Paris this summer. We have to go. And you're immediately like, huh, like, what airline are we flying?

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got this.

• 1:13:12Speaker 00

  Like, like, it's through the contextual clues, you know, he's wealthy, not by him, like, flexing on you. And you're like, you definitely don't have that much. If you're talking about how much money you have, you don't have that much money.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  I, I have no interest in hearing it, so 100%.

• 1:13:24Speaker 00

  Okay. He texts back way too fast, like, every single time.

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  Oh, no, yeah, I don't play games like that. When I see the texts, I answer.

• 1:13:31Speaker 00

  No, Maria, hold on.

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  I'm not kidding. Answer that text fast, or else. Um, no, I'm being serious. Do not wait on it.

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  Hold on. What if it's like, literally every single time you press enter, he's already typing?

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Oh, type. Type. Type. Why? Why not?

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  He's that eager.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  I mean, he's there. I mean, that to me shows you're not playing games. Like, if you, here's the thing.

• 1:13:54Speaker 00

  But he doesn't have a job, like, not even like a five-minute pause?

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  Okay, not, but here, let me say, if you see the text and you answer, I like it. I don't need, like, obviously, yes, the man should have a fucking job, and he shouldn't be seeing his phone right away. But I mean, for the most part, like, yeah, like, when you see it, I don't, I don't find it hot, you waiting hours to respond.

• 1:14:12Speaker 00

  Yes, we don't need two business days go by, and then it's like, sorry, just saw this.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  But if you're busy, do your thing.

• 1:14:18Speaker 00

  Okay. He's very into sexting.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  Um, where are we at in the relationship?

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  Just a couple of months.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  So we're dating?

• 1:14:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  And we're exclusive?

• 1:14:27Speaker 00

  Oh, I don't know.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Well, I'm only gonna sext you if we're exclusive.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  Okay, good to know. Really? Weirdly, I feel like, I look back at the dates, and I'm like, I feel like I was sexting when I was, like, getting towards exclusive.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I need to be exclusive with you, because I, I have fun sexting.

• 1:14:44Speaker 00

  You do have fun sexting. See, I felt like it was, like, exhausting.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  If, if, because usually the guys that I talk to aren't from Toronto, and so it's long distance, so sexting is what keeps us close.

• 1:14:55Speaker 00

  Ah, not FaceTime sex.

• 1:14:57Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, all of the above.

• 1:15:00Speaker 00

  Okay, so you don't mind a little sext?

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, but not all the time at all. Like, you want to just, like, you want it to be, like, special and sporadic and, like, keep it exciting, but, um, yeah.

• 1:15:10Speaker 00

  Okay. He leaves a toothbrush at your apartment after a few weeks of seeing you, but never says anything about it.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  I throw it out. What the fuck is this here? I wouldn't even notice if you throw it out and be like, what the fuck?

• 1:15:24Speaker 00

  That's it?

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  No, no, honestly, I would be like, well, first of all, why don't you have a place, and why aren't I leaving mine at yours?

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  And also, you know what I find, as I'm asking you this question, quite strange? It's like, how'd the toothbrush get there? Like,

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  I know, what the fuck? He put it in his pocket, and he's like,

• 1:15:42Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  No, that would be a little weird.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  Because probably if you're not, like, you probably were at dinner, or you're at the bar. And so would this motherfucker keeping it in the back pocket, like, poking out the whole time?

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I would be like,

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  A little grossed out.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  I'd be like, I don't know, it's never happened, but I'll let you know when it does.

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, unless he has, like, veneers, and he, like, is like, oh, my God, my teeth, my teeth will stain if I don't get this white wine off, or red wine off them. Like, I don't know, the kind of thing.

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  He travels, that's a turnoff. He travels with a toothbrush, because it's veneers? No, no, no.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  His mom's like,

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  No, I, I, that's a, no.

• 1:16:15Speaker 00

  Okay, so we're not appreciating if a guy leaves a toothbrush. You're just, you're just texting.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't think I would think too much. I, I, I mean, there would need to be a conversation. I can't imagine a guy just, like, slipping it in there. Um, but I, I think if he did slip it in there without a conversation, I would be like, what the fuck?

• 1:16:30Speaker 00

  Have you ever hooked up with a guy that, when you went to his house and his bathroom is like,

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  There was another one?

• 1:16:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, or there's, it's like, fully stocked, ready to go for, like, a woman post-sex.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  No, but that's a little fucking weird, right?

• 1:16:39Speaker 00

  It's weird. I've been there before. I've been there before, and I'm like,

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Like, what are you, a sexer on the go? No, a sexer on the go. Like, what are you, like, a fucking?

• 1:16:46Speaker 00

  A fucker on the go?

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  The fucker on the go? Like, he's ready, he's equipped. I mean,

• 1:16:50Speaker 00

  He's got the baby wipes.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Oh, my God!

• 1:16:51Speaker 00

  He's got, like, the makeup wipes.

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  Okay, you know what? Stop this right now.

• 1:16:54Speaker 00

  No, this is what I will say. If a guy has his entire bathroom stocked for a girl, if it's a one-night stand, I'm like, thank you. Thank you that I can take my makeup off, I can, like, put my tampon, imagine if he's tampons.

• 1:17:07Speaker 00

  Well, I'd be confused. But if you're seeing him in a way that you like him, I would be like, no, fuck this shit.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree. Oh, my God, you want to hear a story?

• 1:17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  So I was seeing this guy, this is before the show, and I went to his house, and he had a his and her sink, and he had moved out, and he moved to this new place. I'll never fucking forget this. So he had a his and her sink, and then I walk into the bathroom, and there's his sink, it's all his shit. And then there's this random toothbrush in the her sink. So I go, what the fuck is that? He's like, oh, it's mine. I, I use, I swear to God, this was, this was his excuse. I almost want to puke. He's like, oh, no, it's mine. I, I use two separate toothbrushes, one that's a little bit hard, Brussels, Brussels, whatever the fuck, and one that's softer. I go, like, I don't know, do I look like I'm stupid? Okay, don't answer that, but I, don't fuck with me right now.

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  He went to the extent of grabbing the toothbrush and using it to prove to me that he does use it. And I went, you just did the most, and you're embarrassing. So, goodbye.

• 1:18:06Speaker 00

  It's actually, like, regardless of if he's lying or if he's telling the truth, both are awful.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  Right!

• 1:18:11Speaker 00

  Both are awful.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  Why was it on that side? Why was it on your fucking his ass, ugly ass, stupid, messy side?

• 1:18:17Speaker 00

  Put both of your toothbrushes in the same cup, in the same area.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  Liar. Okay, he vents to you about his ex on one of the first few dates.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  You know what? Um, I like this, I like to do this thing where I, I call it, um, honesty hour. It's actually a hidden thing that I, I get every guy with it, to be honest. Girls, take notes. So I like to hang out with guys casually, very casual, let them know, we're like, we're friends, we're gonna, like, see where this goes, kind of thing. Let's have a bottle of wine, and let's ask each other anything. And, like, let's not judge each other on this. So I usually ask, I'll say, what are, if your ex can describe you in any way, how would it be? Because I like to know. I want to see how they're gonna, A, talk about their ex, if it's gonna be in a nice way, but also I want to know what they would think that their ex would say about them. So just, like, kind of opening that up and, like, letting them know it's a comfortable setting to, like, talk about that.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  But if they're opening up about their ex randomly without me asking, I'd be like, girl, girl. See, I would call him a girl. No, but I'd be like, listen, I think you need to send her a text and say you're sorry, because you're still hung up on it. I'm not interested.

• 1:19:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, time for me to go.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  But, um, I don't know, I, I wouldn't want to know.

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  Okay, wait, honesty hour? I'm kind of loving it. This is my problem. First of all, I feel like every single time that a guy, okay, this is my experience.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  They're still not being honest.

• 1:19:35Speaker 00

  This is my problem. Every fucking time, I think that girls always want to fucking know about a guy's past. I'm like, when I met Matt, I was like, tell me every single ex you have. Show me their Instagram, who are they? Then some of them, I was like, oh, my God, like, whoa, you dated her? Oh, my God. And then, he never asks in return.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, because they don't want to know, but I like that, though. Because it bothers them so much, they don't want to know. A guy who's like, show me, show me. I know, there, there's, you're right.

• 1:20:02Speaker 00

  Like, let me make you jealous. Like, ask.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  They want to know.

• 1:20:05Speaker 00

  And then they don't ask.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  I, I can see why they wouldn't want to know, because I, in my mind, this is the way my thought process would be, is that they like me so much, that they can't imagine me with anyone else.

• 1:20:16Speaker 00

  I, I believe that, and I actually, no, not at all.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  But it's not, right? But then there's also the, the other guy who would be like, no, show me every single one, and he's like, weirdly, like, obsessive, and like, um, wants to, like, take ownership of you and wants to know. Like, I, I like the guy who would be like, you know what, I don't even want to see it.

• 1:20:31Speaker 00

  No, I love the guy that does that. I remember Matt did that to me on the date. I was like, so do you, are you gonna?

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  I could show you, just see what this guy sends me.

• 1:20:39Speaker 00

  It breaks me.

• 1:20:40Speaker 02

  Such confidence.

• 1:20:40Speaker 00

  But such confidence, but sometimes I'm like, motherfucker, let me make you jealous. Be jealous. Okay, second question is, when you ask them, oh, what would your exes say about you? What do you think, Maria, if I ask you, what would all of your exes say about you?

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  Oof, fuck. I don't like this turning on me. Um, I think they would say that I'm honest, um, that I'm loyal, and I can be, um, a little nuts at times.

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  I love the honesty.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  What a shocker, right? And that's me? I don't think so.

• 1:21:13Speaker 00

  Self-aware.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  Self-aware.

• 1:21:15Speaker 00

  So you're not doing The Bachelorette. Where are we gonna see you? Like, we've got to see you more often.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  I would love to be seen more often.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  No, actually, you know what? I'm not kidding you when I say this, like, I'm, I'm taking it step by step. Like, this, like, you, I wanted to be on this podcast. This was my first step. And now, what I'm gonna do moving forward? I don't know.

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  I really don't know. And so, to give an answer, but I'm sure people will see more of me.

• 1:21:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think that's a great answer. Like, I can imagine, like, this is very overwhelming, right?

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Oh, so overwhelming.

• 1:21:46Speaker 00

  Like, you had a pretty normal life before all this. Does your dad really make, uh,

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  Sprinkles?

• 1:21:51Speaker 00

  Sprinkles?

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:52Speaker 00

  That's kinda cool.

• 1:21:53Speaker 02

  I know. And, and every time I say sprinkles, they're like sprinklers? I'm like, no, no, no, guys, the shapes and sugars you see on baked goods. But people don't get it, but someone has to do it.

• 1:22:01Speaker 00

  Do you like sprinkles?

• 1:22:02Speaker 02

  I, you know, my dad owned a chocolate factory before the sprinkles. And I wasn't a big chocolate eater. I know. I'm not like a dessert girl. I'm not like, he did like chocolate covered almonds, everything. And so, um, but as for sprinkles, yeah, I mean, do I usually put sprinkles on things? Yes, I'm gonna say yes, because I own a sprinkling company. But, um, listen, we, everyone, you need it. We need it.

• 1:22:25Speaker 00

  Totally. We need it. We need it. Thanks, Dad.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  And someone's gotta do it, so.

• 1:22:28Speaker 00

  So you're going to stagecoach?

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Thanks, Papa.

• 1:22:29Speaker 00

  What are you gonna do? Who are you going to stagecoach with?

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  The sisters from my show. Iconic girls. Love. They are the best.

• 1:22:36Speaker 00

  Oh, you told me you were going with your sisters, and I was like, who, you have sisters?

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  Well, they are like my sisters now.

• 1:22:40Speaker 00

  Who are you going with? What are their names?

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  Uh, Lauren and Allison Hollinger.

• 1:22:45Speaker 00

  Kay.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  And Sal.

• 1:22:46Speaker 00

  Do you love country music?

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  I, I, I, um, I'm, I, I like country music, but am I the biggest fan?

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  No. You're kinda like a Nickelback girl.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  I love Nickelback, bitch.

• 1:23:01Speaker 00

  I knew it.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  Bitch, I cannot wait to see Nickelback. I'm so excited.

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  No, I literally love Nickelback, and I don't get why they have such a bad rep, because there's, I don't know, it makes, it's like me. Why do I have such a bad rep? I don't get it either. I, I, Nickelback, I'm with you, but, um.

• 1:23:17Speaker 00

  Not after this episode. I feel like we really kinda covered it all. We didn't cover anything. I feel like you, we need to, like, we need to do 19 more of these to actually get through it all, but I truly had so much fun with you today. I think you're even better in person. You're so fun to be around. You have insane stories.

• 1:23:37Speaker 02

  I do. And yeah, there's so many more. Actually, yeah, I'm not gonna say it.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no. No, we'll save it.

• 1:23:44Speaker 00

  We'll save it. We'll save it for something else.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:23:46Speaker 00

  Maybe you'll do one day.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Oh, maybe.

• 1:23:48Speaker 00

  I have an idea.

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  Oh, well, I'm interested in hearing more.

• 1:23:52Speaker 00

  Maria, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. It was truly a pleasure, and it was very fun.

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  Pleasure's all mine.

• 1:23:58Speaker 00

  Love you.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  I love you, bitch.

• 1:24:15Speaker 00

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