The Pile Is Your Friend

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• 0:00Brooke Averick?

  Welcome to the 50th Hunger Games.

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• 0:11Speaker 01

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• 1:09Connor Wood?

  Hi guys, welcome back to Brooke Connor Makeup Podcast.

• 1:12Brooke Averick?

  Welcome back.

• 1:13Connor Wood?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:14Brooke Averick?

  Today will be a movie.

• 1:16Connor Wood?

  In such a huge way, hop into our, our, our arms.

• 1:20Brooke Averick?

  Hi.

• 1:21Connor Wood?

  Hi.

• 1:21Brooke Averick?

  I love your jacket.

• 1:23Connor Wood?

  I love you.

• 1:24Brooke Averick?

  Aww.

• 1:25Connor Wood?

  Oh, see, I know that it, the reason, it's affecting you in that way, I'm worried.

• 1:30Brooke Averick?

  What?

• 1:31Connor Wood?

  You go, aww.

• 1:32Brooke Averick?

  That's really nice of you to say.

• 1:34Connor Wood?

  I do.

• 1:35Brooke Averick?

  Thank you, I really appreciate you saying that. I love you too.

• 1:39Connor Wood?

  Here's.

• 1:39Brooke Averick?

  I do want to let you know I might cry today, I'm in a little bit of.

• 1:42Connor Wood?

  And see, like, when I said I love you so casually and you took it in that way, I'm like, okay.

• 1:46Brooke Averick?

  I'm just in a little bit of a depression, I'm very fragile. It's daylight savings.

• 1:51Connor Wood?

  I think that something.

• 1:52Brooke Averick?

  And the moon.

• 1:53Connor Wood?

  Something happens with the moon or the sun and the savings. What are we saving? Not ourselves, this season.

• 2:00Brooke Averick?

  Mm-mm, and like, imagine, try and imagine me posting on Instagram, like, just trying to like connect with people and relate, like, I'm super depressed because daylight savings. All the responses being, it's not daylight savings time. Daylight savings time is over.

• 2:14Connor Wood?

  Listen, if daylight savings was created.

• 2:16Brooke Averick?

  You know what I meant.

• 2:18Connor Wood?

  Daylight savings was created is a man-made concept, then this woman can make her own concept of what times savings mean to her.

• 2:26Brooke Averick?

  Thank you.

• 2:27Connor Wood?

  There I said it.

• 2:28Brooke Averick?

  He's, he said it, listen to a man when he speaks.

• 2:30Connor Wood?

  Sit down and listen for once.

• 2:32Brooke Averick?

  Lord.

• 2:33Connor Wood?

  Geez.

• 2:34Brooke Averick?

  Anyway.

• 2:34Connor Wood?

  Well, I.

• 2:35Brooke Averick?

  Hi semifinalists.

• 2:36Connor Wood?

  Okay. Hi, Goodreads Choice Awards nominee, two categories.

• 2:41Brooke Averick?

  Thanks, who cares? Let's.

• 2:43Connor Wood?

  Who cares? I texted you yesterday, you're gonna win.

• 2:46Brooke Averick?

  I actually don't think so.

• 2:47Connor Wood?

  I think you will absolutely win romance. I looked at, I looked at all the rest.

• 2:52Brooke Averick?

  Well, here's the thing about that. First of all, if you don't know, you know, I love Goodreads. I've been like an avid Goodreads user since 2014.

• 2:59Connor Wood?

  And let's just even say it before we even continue on. When voting, is voting open?

• 3:04Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. Well, I like, I'm like, I don't even want to like blast it out on here because I really want to win on merit.

• 3:12Connor Wood?

  Uh, no, merit is, merit is over.

• 3:14Brooke Averick?

  No, I really feel that way, so it's like, if you read Phoebe and you loved it, sure, go ahead and vote, but if you're just a fan of me, you can sit this one out. Because I don't want any sort of unfair advantage, because these awards, like, I take them very seriously.

• 3:27Connor Wood?

  The young woman is better than I.

• 3:28Brooke Averick?

  No, no, no, because Dancing with the Stars, that's about, like, that's just as much about, like, people loving you as a person as it is your dance ability. This really like is just about like the book. So.

• 3:41Connor Wood?

  Well, the book is phenomenal. If you haven't read it, this is just a good callback to pick up Phoebe Berman's gonna lose it. It's still readily available at your disposal. And I even know that it's available in several languages. So if you're Portuguese, there's a Portuguese, Phoebe Berman's gonna lose it, available to you at this time.

• 3:58Brooke Averick?

  And there will be a bunch of other languages if you speak those two.

• 4:01Connor Wood?

  Yes.

• 4:02Brooke Averick?

  Coming soon, but anyway, that doesn't matter. Basically, the opening round is open now, so it's like, I don't know if it's 10 or 20 nominated for each category. One, two, one, two, maybe somewhere in between. 15, nope, 15 categories, 300 nominees. Few, few different books nominated in each category. One, two, three, four, five times, wait, one, two, three, four, five.

• 4:29Connor Wood?

  Twenty.

• 4:30Brooke Averick?

  It's 20, it's 20. So.

• 4:31Connor Wood?

  Wow, we're very slow.

• 4:33Brooke Averick?

  There's not a world I win debut because yesteryear is in there and that's the, that's the white.

• 4:37Connor Wood?

  That's not entirely fair.

• 4:39Brooke Averick?

  Is that the same?

• 4:40Connor Wood?

  The Great White Buffalo.

• 4:42Brooke Averick?

  The Great White Buffalo. So I'm not counting on that. I'm also not necessarily counting on romance, because it's not. Like, there's, Phoebe is a rom-com, but it's not like a traditional romance in the sense that.

• 4:53Connor Wood?

  Can I, what are the categories? If they have romance, see, why would they not have rom-com in a book? Is it, why is it so rare to have a rom-com book?

• 5:00Brooke Averick?

  Um, I, it, I, it is. Yeah, I feel like I'm in there with more traditional romances, which are great. But yeah, rom-com is, is not a category, because I think that would just be, yeah, romance, but.

• 5:16Connor Wood?

  Comedy is so important to a rom-com though.

• 5:17Brooke Averick?

  I think it's a little bit too genre bending to win the romance and it's not going to win debut. But I genu, when I tell you it's an honor.

• 5:24Connor Wood?

  It's nominated for two.

• 5:25Brooke Averick?

  When I tell you it is just an honor to be nominated, whenever people say that, I'm like, okay, yeah, sure. It is an honor just to be nominated, I'm serious. So. That's that. And, yeah, opening round is now and then it'll narrow down.

• 5:42Connor Wood?

  Sure.

• 5:42Brooke Averick?

  In the next round, which is the 22nd.

• 5:44Connor Wood?

  Like, you're in here with a court of splintered fingers.

• 5:48Brooke Averick?

  About Splintered Harmony.

• 5:49Connor Wood?

  Harmony.

• 5:50Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 5:50Connor Wood?

  That's fabulous.

• 5:51Brooke Averick?

  So, I'm just, yeah, I'm really excited just to be there and.

• 5:55Connor Wood?

  Good for you.

• 5:56Brooke Averick?

  Very honored, thank you, Connor.

• 5:57Connor Wood?

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 5:58Brooke Averick?

  Good for you.

• 6:00Connor Wood?

  I don't, I don't, I don't take one single scroll in terms of books and I don't see Phoebe in it somewhere.

• 6:05Brooke Averick?

  I am like, I can't really tell how, like, far it's gotten past, like, the B and C sphere. Like, I know there are like, there are definitely some people that are like, I didn't know you and I love Phoebe. And I'm like, that makes me so happy, but I'm not sure how many of those people there are. You know, like, I'm so in the B and C sphere, so like, I get Phoebe a lot, but like, I, I don't know how much just like in the book space it is.

• 6:30Connor Wood?

  Well, I do, I, see, like, there was a young woman reading it one time on the West Side Highway when I was in New York. And I, I'm like, I'm gonna pop in and say hi. Because I'm thinking B and C.

• 6:42Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 6:42Connor Wood?

  Did not know me, so.

• 6:43Brooke Averick?

  It's, I, I, I don't know how many of those.

• 6:45Connor Wood?

  Walked up on a woman reading a book and said, hey, how is it?

• 6:48Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 6:49Connor Wood?

  Which like.

• 6:49Brooke Averick?

  She was probably like, ass.

• 6:51Connor Wood?

  No, she was like, it's good, can I help you? And then I was like, check, check yourself. Just wondering, thanks. I was thinking about reading it.

• 7:01Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I don't know, I genuinely have no concept of like where it stands on its own. So, that's kind of what I want to know with this. So if you're just a fan of me,

• 7:15Brooke Averick?

  please vote for what you genuinely love. And so, yeah.

• 7:20Connor Wood?

  Do you know, did you see, I've been playing with this little thing for this, this whole time?

• 7:27Connor Wood?

  This is about your book?

• 7:28Brooke Averick?

  What is it? Oh, the.

• 7:30Connor Wood?

  Title.

• 7:31Brooke Averick?

  The bookshelf that someone.

• 7:32Connor Wood?

  To be announced.

• 7:33Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 7:33Connor Wood?

  A future bestseller that is wonderfully hilarious, not yet published and will make anyone who reads it wistful for a life they haven't lived. Cute.

• 7:41Brooke Averick?

  Cuteness and, yeah, it's a good reminder, time can change at one point in time. That's all Phoebe was, and now

• 7:50Brooke Averick?

  we got those Goodreads on.

• 7:51Connor Wood?

  She's got some legs, she's got some legs on her.

• 7:53Brooke Averick?

  She's got some legs. Anyway. Hi semifinalists. Hi leading man.

• 7:59Connor Wood?

  Oh, that was fabulous.

• 8:00Brooke Averick?

  That was fabulous.

• 8:02Connor Wood?

  Yeah, that was so much fun.

• 8:03Brooke Averick?

  That was fabulous. I, like, I have failed you because of my depression, I fell asleep before Dancing with the Stars aired PST. And because my livestream wasn't working. No one's livestream link was working. So that's why, like, none of us could watch one of our friends. So, um, yeah, I had, I had passed peacefully before it aired. So I watched this morning.

• 8:30Connor Wood?

  Wow.

• 8:31Brooke Averick?

  But I only watched you. And, and I, and your feedback, which was great. Um, so.

• 8:38Connor Wood?

  I.

• 8:38Brooke Averick?

  That's where I stand. I can't comment on anyone else today, which is, I've, I've failed you.

• 8:44Connor Wood?

  No, that's okay.

• 8:45Brooke Averick?

  Um, but you were fabulous.

• 8:49Connor Wood?

  Thank you.

• 8:50Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, that was really one of my favorite dances that you've done. I think for me, that was, that's right behind Halloween.

• 8:56Connor Wood?

  Me too.

• 8:57Brooke Averick?

  You?

• 8:57Connor Wood?

  And like everyone, well, I think everyone would agree just because it's contemporary, no one counts as like ballroom. But last night was proper ballroom and it was so much fun. You just, like, it's, it's a kind of null, it's a null point for me to be like, that was my favorite one. And it's our best ballroom dance, because I'm nine weeks in, you know, so it's like, of course that would be your best performance. You would hope, nine weeks in.

• 9:24Brooke Averick?

  Right. But it was, so that's great.

• 9:26Connor Wood?

  But it was, so that's great. Geez, I was nervous.

• 9:30Brooke Averick?

  Really?

• 9:30Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 9:31Brooke Averick?

  Why?

• 9:31Connor Wood?

  Well, I know that there were comments, I think we're just to a point where people are.

• 9:36Brooke Averick?

  It gets to a point.

• 9:37Connor Wood?

  It gets to a point.

• 9:38Brooke Averick?

  To a point.

• 9:39Connor Wood?

  Everyone, I think, is just becoming a little more critical of everybody else. And so people said like, I, like, I didn't do a ton of the dance. That is Argentine Tango. You know?

• 9:50Brooke Averick?

  People were saying, what do you?

• 9:51Connor Wood?

  That like, in terms of the dance, like, it is like a, a dance where.

• 9:54Brooke Averick?

  You were high, you were leading.

• 9:56Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Brooke Averick?

  So.

• 9:57Connor Wood?

  We've had, we've had the Samba.

• 9:58Brooke Averick?

  You were busy leading.

• 9:58Connor Wood?

  That, we got comments that, too much Samba content in it and there wasn't even, there didn't any in Tango and it's like.

• 10:04Brooke Averick?

  So, people are always going to say something.

• 10:06Connor Wood?

  It's so much fun though, and we got to do the dance off with Laura and Mark, which was so much fun, and Sheryl Crow.

• 10:11Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. Wait, can I ask? The way that I, the clip that I saw, the first like 30 seconds were Sheryl singing, close up, were you dancing during that?

• 10:22Connor Wood?

  Yeah, we had 30 seconds.

• 10:23Brooke Averick?

  Okay, so I had, we, like, the general population missed like probably most of your dance, I'd say.

• 10:29Connor Wood?

  I look so good.

• 10:29Brooke Averick?

  Which like, I love Sheryl Crow, so like, I loved seeing her. I did want to see you dance.

• 10:34Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Brooke Averick?

  And I, I didn't get to, so.

• 10:40Connor Wood?

  Bless Cheryl to death.

• 10:41Brooke Averick?

  Bless Cheryl to death.

• 10:43Connor Wood?

  She did slip up on the sound.

• 10:47Connor Wood?

  She did slip up.

• 10:48Brooke Averick?

  Slipped a few pieces, which fine to do, but I'm just saying like they could have at least on a split screen.

• 10:54Connor Wood?

  Oh.

• 10:55Brooke Averick?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 10:55Connor Wood?

  Oh, I see.

• 10:56Brooke Averick?

  You weren't, did you see like the way it was edited?

• 10:58Connor Wood?

  Um, I saw what they did in camera blocking. I didn't, I didn't wash.

• 11:02Brooke Averick?

  So I think instead of the first 30 seconds of your dance, it was just Cheryl singing, unless you didn't start dancing.

• 11:07Connor Wood?

  No, no, no, no.

• 11:08Brooke Averick?

  Did you not start dancing?

• 11:09Connor Wood?

  The first 30 seconds, like me and Mara were just kind of shaking our butts together.

• 11:12Brooke Averick?

  Okay. Well, I didn't see you get to shake your butt or anything.

• 11:13Connor Wood?

  And it was really fun. Um, Mara, I love Mara to death.

• 11:18Brooke Averick?

  I do too.

• 11:19Connor Wood?

  I feel deathly sick talking about Mara because of how much I love her.

• 11:22Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I really, really love her. She, I would say besides you is like my favorite personality.

• 11:31Connor Wood?

  She is awesome. Like I love Mara.

• 11:35Brooke Averick?

  She's awesome. And sadly, like last night was my week where it's like anyone that goes home, it will hurt my heart. That's the point we've gotten to.

• 11:44Connor Wood?

  Oh, no, no, beyond.

• 11:45Brooke Averick?

  As of this week, so.

• 11:47Connor Wood?

  It's been there for me for a while.

• 11:49Brooke Averick?

  Spoiler, I guess I won't even say he went home, but like that was sad to me.

• 11:52Connor Wood?

  Yeah, very sad.

• 11:53Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. So, and it's only gonna get worse, which is cute.

• 11:57Connor Wood?

  I know.

• 11:57Brooke Averick?

  Although like, I think, once you make it to the finale, like I'll be upset about whoever goes home next week, but then once you make it to the finale, like to me, like all good. Like any place is good.

• 12:10Connor Wood?

  Been in a place that's all good for so long.

• 12:12Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 12:12Connor Wood?

  What's weird is that like, once I got far enough and I was just like, okay, I can wrap my head around like, all of these people are so talented and so, like such good performers and such good personalities. If I go home, I'll be, I will be okay.

• 12:26Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. But you are, you are making it to the finale, which is.

• 12:29Connor Wood?

  When I, when I decided I will be okay, I go, that's when I started doing better. And just from performance perspective, but like, I just like lowered it and I'm just like, okay with whatever happens. And if I go home, I'll be happy. I went home over anyone else in the competition. And last night I had that thought again and I was like, that is okay. You know, like if I go home, like I am okay with that. Yeah, that was, that was a shock to my system last night.

• 12:55Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, but, wait, can I, can I ask you something? And this is a spoiler if you didn't see the, y'all have watched. Who was the bottom two? I know who went home, but who was the other?

• 13:07Connor Wood?

  Um, it was Tatiana and.

• 13:10Brooke Averick?

  Ooh, that's scary.

• 13:11Connor Wood?

  Yeah, Val and Jenna.

• 13:12Brooke Averick?

  That's scary.

• 13:14Connor Wood?

  Yeah, I know. Very scary.

• 13:17Brooke Averick?

  When did they announce you?

• 13:19Connor Wood?

  Third.

• 13:20Brooke Averick?

  Okay, great.

• 13:22Connor Wood?

  Yeah, cause we, we lost the dance. So we, Mara and Mar, there's a four-way tie for last.

• 13:27Brooke Averick?

  Sure.

• 13:27Connor Wood?

  Cause we all got four nines.

• 13:28Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 13:29Connor Wood?

  It's crazy. We're at a point where like four nines, or three nines, sorry, is tied for last.

• 13:33Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. I love that you brought back the panties, the orange.

• 13:36Connor Wood?

  Yeah, wasn't that fun?

• 13:37Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. And I love that Mara had blue ones.

• 13:40Connor Wood?

  We were supposed to be dumb and dumb. We were supposed to do a video in Dumb and Dumber and I couldn't find a sound beforehand. It was, it's weird. Now that there's less people, you'd think there'd be more downtime. There's not a single second of downtime before the show's on. It's just chaos.

• 13:53Brooke Averick?

  I want someone to make like a play, a side by side of first week's dance with, it was, was it the exact same dance or did you change it a little bit?

• 14:03Connor Wood?

  There was, I mean, the moves, that's the cool part about this is like, that is what they kind of want to set you up for. Cause that's why they give you a dance that you've done before. So you can show improvement.

• 14:11Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. Yeah. I want the side by side of that, of what you did last night and the first week.

• 14:16Connor Wood?

  That would be really cool. That's like when I feared it. And it truly like, we, we didn't go into that. It was, it was very low sex. It was just fun. Like, and Mara and Mark are so awesome. So we were just like laughing. Oh, I cannot watch this. I'm so sorry. I love the costume department with my entire chest. Cannot deal with my Lorax stomach in this outfit.

• 14:38Brooke Averick?

  I, you don't have a Lorax.

• 14:40Connor Wood?

  Look at my, the way.

• 14:41Brooke Averick?

  I will say.

• 14:41Connor Wood?

  Is he, please take it off the screen. Like I can't look at this.

• 14:44Brooke Averick?

  You, I will say like you've, you've developed the body of a dancer over time.

• 14:48Connor Wood?

  What does that mean?

• 14:49Brooke Averick?

  Like you look really like fit.

• 14:52Connor Wood?

  Oh, thanks.

• 14:54Brooke Averick?

  Do you think you'll keep it up?

• 14:55Connor Wood?

  Hell, hell no. No, I, I had pizza for breakfast.

• 15:01Brooke Averick?

  Have you changed your diet at all?

• 15:03Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Brooke Averick?

  Like, just like protein, lots of protein? Or actually, you probably need a lot of carbs.

• 15:11Connor Wood?

  For audio only, I've just pulled chicken, rice and broccoli out of my tote.

• 15:14Brooke Averick?

  Yum. That looks good.

• 15:16Connor Wood?

  It is good.

• 15:18Brooke Averick?

  Whenever like, that is something like if I got that for myself, you, I would only eat the rice and the skin of the chicken. But like, when I watch you eat that, I'm like, oh, I would eat that whole thing, you know?

• 15:30Connor Wood?

  It gets very dry halfway through, but.

• 15:32Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I, I've.

• 15:33Connor Wood?

  It's good.

• 15:34Brooke Averick?

  I'm, I'm, my eating has like devolved a lot as I've aged. Like now I eat Uncrustables and Cheez Its for every meal.

• 15:45Connor Wood?

  Maybe you have ARFID.

• 15:46Brooke Averick?

  I think I'm, I've, I've got late onset ARFID.

• 15:49Connor Wood?

  ARFID?

• 15:50Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 15:51Connor Wood?

  Uh, what do we know about ARFID?

• 15:54Brooke Averick?

  Uh, let's try and do the acronym without looking at it.

• 15:57Connor Wood?

  I don't think it's an acronym. I don't.

• 15:58Brooke Averick?

  Oh, really?

• 16:00Connor Wood?

  I don't think it's an acronym. I could be so wrong.

• 16:02Brooke Averick?

  I think it's like averse response food.

• 16:06Connor Wood?

  It's food regression.

• 16:07Brooke Averick?

  It's like you can't, you literally can't. I just watch this one ARFID guy all the time who like tries new foods and like, yeah, like it's not a response that, it's not a typical response that you would have if you don't eat food. It's like.

• 16:21Connor Wood?

  Do you know that that's, that's what I would do when I would eat salad? And I'm not talking about any sort of salad, lettuce, any sort of lettuce. I would put it in my mouth and I wanted to like it. Cause it was that point in my life where I like wanted to have a salad and I wanted to drink coffee. You know, like I wanted to like grow up a little bit and I would put a piece of lettuce in my mouth and I would physically, it'd start to throw up.

• 16:45Brooke Averick?

  Hey guys, we want to take a break to thank a sponsor of today's episode, Warby Parker. I feel like finding a good pair of glasses should be so simple, but somehow it can turn into this entire process. You want something that actually looks good on your face, fits comfortably, and doesn't cost a ridiculous amount of money.

• 17:03Connor Wood?

  I love my Warby Parkers. I wear them all the time on the podcast. They're those, those green frames that I get compliments on all the time. Do not know where they are, but I miss them and I love them. And if, if you're listening, Warby Parker frames, come back on. Warby Parker just has so many different styles and their virtual try on feature lets you see what their frames look like on your face from your phone, which is really helpful because sometimes you don't want to go to the store. I like going to the store. Maybe you don't. Try them on on your phone.

• 17:33Brooke Averick?

  And I love that their frames actually feel stylish. Glasses are such a big part of your look. So you want something that feels like an accessory you would choose to wear. Plus their prescription glasses start at just $95, which is such a good price for quality frames.

• 17:46Connor Wood?

  And it's not just prescription glasses. Warby Parker also has sunglasses, contacts, and online eye exams. They even have over 300 retail stores across the country. So if you'd rather shop in person like I do, you have that option.

• 18:01Brooke Averick?

  Yup. I also love that you can try on different styles virtually because sometimes you just don't know what shape you like until you actually see it on your face. And if you've been putting off getting new glasses because the whole process feels annoying or expensive, Warby Parker makes it so much more approachable.

• 18:15Connor Wood?

  They also have their buy a pair, give a pair program where for every pair sold, they help distribute a pair to someone in need. So you're getting great glasses and supporting something really meaningful.

• 18:24Brooke Averick?

  And if you've been thinking about updating your glasses or getting a second pair, they have a great offer for our listeners. Right now, buy one pair of glasses and get 20% off any additional pairs at warbyparker.com/bnc. That's 20% off any additional pairs when you purchase one pair at warbyparker.com/bnc. That's W A R B Y Parker.com/bnc. Hey guys, we want to take a break to thank a sponsor of today's episode, Jones Road Beauty. I feel like we all have that drawer full of makeup that we bought, used twice, and then completely forgot about. But every once in a while, you find a product that actually becomes part of your everyday routine. And that's what I love about Jones Road Beauty's Miracle Foam. It's perfect for those days when you want to look put together, but don't want to spend forever doing your makeup.

• 19:09Connor Wood?

  I love that. I have been getting makeup done recently.

• 19:12Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, you look so handsome.

• 19:14Connor Wood?

  And I love the idea that Joan, thank you, Brooke. That's so sweet. I love the idea that Jones Road makes it easy. I feel like it's especially helpful during the holidays when there's so much going on. Jones Road is makeup, is what I'm understanding from Brooke. It's makeup that that feels natural while will still give you that really pretty effortless look.

• 19:36Brooke Averick?

  The Miracle Balm is one of those products that's so easy to keep in your makeup bag. Because you can just use your fingers and add a little color and glow to your cheeks. And the more you use it, the more you realize how versatile it is. Their formulas are also packed with skin-loving ingredients, so they feel nourishing instead of heavy or cakey.

• 19:53Connor Wood?

  Now, I have the Jones Road Miracle Balm palette here with me. And I liked the sound of when you said might add some color to my cheeks. I think we could all use that. I'm gonna put a little bit on here. Just to give me that kind of glowy.

• 20:07Brooke Averick?

  Oh, Brooke, look. Yeah, genuinely, that looks amazing. It complements your spray tan beautifully.

• 20:13Connor Wood?

  Thank you. Oh, I'm caking it on.

• 20:15Brooke Averick?

  But it's not cakey, but it's not cakey.

• 20:18Connor Wood?

  Thank you, Brooke.

• 20:18Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 20:19Connor Wood?

  Oh, I'm just kind of dabbing it on with my finger here. And yes, it does look good. I love a little color. Jones Road Beauty just launched their holiday collection, which is perfect timing if you're looking for gifts or getting ready for a holiday party. This is a good stocking stuff for a good size.

• 20:32Brooke Averick?

  Oh, genuinely. They have the lip trio, two eyeshadow quads, and the illuminator, which comes in four shades for that extra holiday glow. There's also that Pinky Bronze Kit 2.0, which includes an eyeshadow stick, lip recharge, and highlighting stick. I feel like a makeup set is always such a fun gift because it's something someone can actually get excited about opening.

• 20:52Connor Wood?

  And everything is designed to be easy to use. I love that. Whether you're getting ready for a holiday party or just doing your everyday makeup.

• 20:58Brooke Averick?

  This holiday season, I'm thankful for anything that gives me a little time back, and Jones Road Beauty definitely does. And now they're giving our listeners a little something too. For a limited time, get a free full-size mascara with your first purchase when you use code BNC at checkout. Just head to jonesroadbeauty.com and use code BNC to get yours. After you purchase, they'll ask where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you.

• 21:23Connor Wood?

  Please. Y'all, we have to take a quick break to thank a sponsor of today's episode, one of my favorites, my family at Sonic. What does a $7 Big Deal Meal get you at Sonic? Sit down right now, and if you're driving, pull over. The better question is, what doesn't it get you? For just $7, you're getting a classic Sonic cheeseburger, medium fries or tots, and a medium drink plus premium chicken bites.

• 21:46Brooke Averick?

  And I need us to double back here because that's a burger and chicken bites. We're not picking teams here. You get both. That's a full meal and then some. You've got your cheeseburger. You've made the very important fries or tots decision. You've got a medium drink. And then, because apparently that wasn't enough, here come the premium chicken bites. Open wide.

• 22:05Connor Wood?

  I love when my meal doesn't end. When like, this is a perfect one, it's like, your cheeseburger might be your entree.

• 22:14Connor Wood?

  And you finish, you get close to the end of a burger like that, and you're like, oh, my gosh. Why didn't I savor that? And you turn, chicken bites?

• 22:22Brooke Averick?

  No, whatever happened to courses?

• 22:24Connor Wood?

  Course it out.

• 22:25Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Connor Wood?

  Thank you for bringing that up.

• 22:27Brooke Averick?

  Happy to.

• 22:28Connor Wood?

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• 22:46Brooke Averick?

  That's my response to like a hard cheese or the worst thing ever happened to me yesterday. And it triggered an ARFID response. I, you know, a lot of people don't have been depressed.

• 23:00Brooke Averick?

  And I was just like, you have, you have to get out of the house. Like, it's not an option. And so I like

• 23:05Connor Wood?

  It's not, by the way, it's not easy right now with, with the daylight savings of it all. But also 80 degrees in November.

• 23:12Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, it's also

• 23:12Connor Wood?

  It's just exhausting.

• 23:14Brooke Averick?

  So I went, I got out of the house at like 10:00 a.m. And I took myself to Arowan and I was like, you also, I've not, I've been bad with eating. So it's like, you're just gonna get a chia pudding, which I, it's just like a source of sustenance. It like tastes fine to me. Um, and got, got that, walked home. I was like, I did it, man. Open the chia pudding, take a bite, ARFID. It was yogurt. I can't do yogurt. I can't do yogurt at all. Completely, it was ARFID on site and I had to take the berries out of the, of the chia pudding. Wash them, wash them with my hands because I don't have a colander or anything, any bullshit like that. Yeah.

• 23:54Brooke Averick?

  And, um, I can't like even yogurt, can't even touch, touch my

• 24:01Connor Wood?

  You don't like yogurt at all?

• 24:02Brooke Averick?

  I hate yogurt.

• 24:05Brooke Averick?

  It's that sort of like, it's similar to cheese and like, this is rotten.

• 24:11Connor Wood?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:12Brooke Averick?

  This is rotten.

• 24:13Connor Wood?

  Rotten?

• 24:14Brooke Averick?

  It's rotten.

• 24:14Connor Wood?

  You consider yogurt rotten?

• 24:16Brooke Averick?

  I do. The only thing I can do is dammels, Dylan and Cole Sprouse.

• 24:21Connor Wood?

  I get it. Well, there's one that I've been getting that I really, really like. It's, I think it's Kulina.

• 24:26Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I don't, I can't.

• 24:27Connor Wood?

  It is like genuinely dessert. It's so, so freaking good. And there's probiotics or prebiotics, whatever they talk about. You know, I love those biotics.

• 24:36Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 24:36Connor Wood?

  They do something for you. That, and that for me, that's just offsetting whatever else I put into my body.

• 24:41Brooke Averick?

  Totally.

• 24:41Connor Wood?

  Like, I'll have some yogurt for sure.

• 24:43Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, no, I should have saved mine for you. Put it in the garbage disposal.

• 24:49Connor Wood?

  My ARFID

• 24:49Brooke Averick?

  Like throwing it like angrily in the sink.

• 24:53Connor Wood?

  My ARFID is strictly quesadilla related.

• 24:55Brooke Averick?

  What do you mean?

• 24:57Connor Wood?

  Like, there are weeks that I go on where it's like, I can't, I can't wrap my head around eating something that isn't a quesadilla.

• 25:02Brooke Averick?

  Oh, I thought you were saying you got ARFID in response to eating the quesadilla.

• 25:06Connor Wood?

  Brooke, no, quesadillas will always be my bread and butter.

• 25:08Brooke Averick?

  Exactly.

• 25:09Connor Wood?

  Can we, can we just look into ARFID really quick? I'm just, so ARFID is, you were right. Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder.

• 25:18Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 25:18Connor Wood?

  Diagnosed with a DSM 5 TR criteria when eating or feeding a disturbance leads to persistent failure to meet appropriate nutritional or energy needs. Oh, so this like leads to health issues?

• 25:31Brooke Averick?

  No, yeah, I think like ARFID has become something that people are just using, like in the way that

• 25:35Connor Wood?

  In the way that we just used it?

• 25:36Brooke Averick?

  Like, or, yeah, people use all types of mental health stuff. But, so we, we don't have ARFID, of course, but like, it's becoming like, oh, I'm so OCD vibes, you know?

• 25:48Brooke Averick?

  But it's, it is like a genuine thing. Which I, and I watch a lot of ARFID TikTokers.

• 25:54Connor Wood?

  I see the ARFID TikTokers.

• 25:56Brooke Averick?

  It's, it's real. It's real and, uh, definitely hearts out to those of you who have ARFID.

• 26:04Connor Wood?

  Blessings and such.

• 26:05Brooke Averick?

  And such, so.

• 26:08Connor Wood?

  Oh, my gosh, speaking of blessings and such, did you see James went to Turkey with his brother?

• 26:14Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, he's so funny.

• 26:16Connor Wood?

  To get a hair transplant?

• 26:17Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 26:19Connor Wood?

  Why are we going, what is up with Turkey and hair?

• 26:23Brooke Averick?

  I, it's, they just like have, apparently are the only country that like, really knows how to do it. And it's cheap or much cheaper.

• 26:31Connor Wood?

  That to me

• 26:32Brooke Averick?

  Like going, flying out to Turkey, getting a place to stay, and the procedure is cheaper than doing it locally.

• 26:40Connor Wood?

  People go to Turkey for hair transplants primarily due to significantly lower cost, all-inclusive track of packages, and the country's massive.

• 26:47Brooke Averick?

  packages and shit like that.

• 26:50Connor Wood?

  Okay, all-inclusive Turkey packages, sign me up, Thanksgiving vibes?

• 26:54Brooke Averick?

  You, yeah.

• 26:57Brooke Averick?

  You don't need a hair transplant.

• 26:58Connor Wood?

  No, I, I'm not asking you that. I, I, now, who could be

• 27:04Brooke Averick?

  Cousin Logan?

• 27:05Connor Wood?

  Cousin Logan.

• 27:06Brooke Averick?

  What she said, what she wanted to say?

• 27:07Connor Wood?

  She answered and it's just

• 27:08Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 27:11Connor Wood?

  She pissed me off.

• 27:14Connor Wood?

  I ignored it through my phone like you did with your yogurt.

• 27:16Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 27:17Connor Wood?

  Hello? Hey, Cousin Logan, we're on the podcast live, girl.

• 27:23Brooke Averick?

  Hello?

• 27:24Speaker 05

  Hi, Becky.

• 27:26Brooke Averick?

  Miss you.

• 27:28Speaker 05

  I was just thinking actually that I really want to be an extra in your movie.

• 27:32Brooke Averick?

  Okay, I do too. We can try and figure that out.

• 27:37Speaker 05

  Okay. I get stage fright when you answer when you're on the podcast.

• 27:41Connor Wood?

  Yeah, I noticed. And that's why I answered on the podcast. Let's wrap this up.

• 27:46Speaker 05

  Is your podcast live?

• 27:49Connor Wood?

  To, for us, yes.

• 27:50Brooke Averick?

  Like broadcast it out, like, no, Logan.

• 27:55Speaker 05

  Oh, they edit, they edit stuff and then put it out?

• 27:57Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 05

  Okay. I'll have to give it a listen sometime.

• 28:01Connor Wood?

  Okay.

• 28:04Speaker 05

  Okay, love you guys.

• 28:05Connor Wood?

  Love you, bye.

• 28:06Brooke Averick?

  Love you. You know what, I was genuinely, oh, I have to tell you something. I have to tell you

• 28:12Connor Wood?

  Somebody just clicked in your eyes.

• 28:14Brooke Averick?

  I have to tell you

• 28:15Connor Wood?

  Okay, tell me something.

• 28:16Brooke Averick?

  You know the game I love, Krillion?

• 28:17Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Brooke Averick?

  The first question the other day was a podcast that has like X amount of listeners or something, like 10,000 monthly listeners. So, and you know, the rarer the answer, the more points you get. So I was like, I don't want to do BNC because like, God willing, we aren't the rarest. You know? I really wanted to do, but I couldn't remember the name of, what, the podcast you did with Remy?

• 28:44Connor Wood?

  What was that called?

• 28:45Brooke Averick?

  It was like TikTok or something?

• 28:47Connor Wood?

  It was something, something along those lines.

• 28:55Connor Wood?

  Tik Tok. Whatever with Connor and Remy.

• 28:58Brooke Averick?

  Tick show. Oh, talk show.

• 29:00Connor Wood?

  Oh, talk show. Hey, that's pretty good.

• 29:02Brooke Averick?

  That is better than Brooke and Connor.

• 29:05Connor Wood?

  Talk show.

• 29:06Brooke Averick?

  Oh, I missed that.

• 29:07Connor Wood?

  Oh, bless their hearts.

• 29:08Brooke Averick?

  The best thing in the world was Connor and I had lived together in that month that like, he was getting calls from iHeart and they were like, we want you to do this podcast. We like, we, are there any like, girls that you can think of that would be like a good match for you and a good co-host? And I was, he was taking this call on speaker like next to me and he was like, yeah, Brooke Averick, like, we're good friends, you'd be good. And they were like, okay. Um, and then they, they chose Remy, who's great. But now it's like,

• 29:41Brooke Averick?

  damn y'all.

• 29:44Brooke Averick?

  He told you.

• 29:46Connor Wood?

  Well, this-

• 29:47Brooke Averick?

  He told you and you did not listen.

• 29:48Connor Wood?

  This obviously crashed and burned.

• 29:51Brooke Averick?

  But I actually don't know if this would have qualified for an answer, cause I don't know if y'all get 10K listeners a month.

• 29:56Connor Wood?

  I don't think we had one.

• 29:59Brooke Averick?

  But I ended up doing Not That Y'all Care and that was good. That was a deep cut.

• 30:04Connor Wood?

  What'd you say? Oh, Care?

• 30:06Brooke Averick?

  Not That Y'all Care.

• 30:07Connor Wood?

  Oh.

• 30:07Brooke Averick?

  Tristan, the podcast that Tristan and Channing do, if you know them.

• 30:10Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 30:11Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 30:13Brooke Averick?

  So they were a deep cut, which was fun. And I, we probably would have been a deep cut as well, but.

• 30:18Connor Wood?

  Are we able to check that ourselves? I don't wanna know.

• 30:21Brooke Averick?

  I don't know if we can. Yeah, I bet we can, we can go to the archives.

• 30:23Connor Wood?

  Some stuff that you just-

• 30:24Brooke Averick?

  I think it was like three days ago.

• 30:26Connor Wood?

  Hmm. I know, that's been coming, that's been coming up on my feed a lot. People that play Krill.

• 30:32Brooke Averick?

  It's-

• 30:33Connor Wood?

  I, like, it didn't even, it didn't even slightly perk me up.

• 30:37Brooke Averick?

  When we played?

• 30:38Connor Wood?

  Like, the, the concept of the game did not make me excited at all to play a game.

• 30:43Brooke Averick?

  That's, I, that's actually, I'm so hardcore for Krill. Oh.

• 30:51Brooke Averick?

  Till Death Do Us Blart was the one in a Krillion, which is they recap, um, Paul Blart, Mar- Mall Cop like once a year or something.

• 30:59Connor Wood?

  They do one podcast episode a year and it's recapping Paul Blart?

• 31:02Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, so that's the one in a Krillion. Um-

• 31:06Connor Wood?

  Till Death Do Us Blart.

• 31:09Connor Wood?

  That's really funny. I wanna listen to that.

• 31:11Brooke Averick?

  Let's do, yeah. Brooke and Connor make a podcast is-

• 31:14Connor Wood?

  Oh, obsessed with Brooke Averick.

• 31:16Brooke Averick?

  Oh, I didn't think of obsessed. That would have been a deep cut. Damn. Brooke and Connor would have been a rare, which is nice.

• 31:22Connor Wood?

  Okay.

• 31:23Brooke Averick?

  That's nice. I'm dumb as hell for not thinking of obsessed.

• 31:28Brooke Averick?

  Anyway.

• 31:29Connor Wood?

  Brooke and Jeffrey, right there with us.

• 31:30Brooke Averick?

  Hi, Brooke and Jeffrey.

• 31:31Connor Wood?

  Brooke and Jeffrey, what are you doing on the side?

• 31:33Brooke Averick?

  What did Brooke and Jeffrey talk about?

• 31:34Connor Wood?

  Do you have a second family?

• 31:35Brooke Averick?

  Dude, you'd know, I wouldn't be able to keep it secret.

• 31:41Brooke Averick?

  Brooke and Jeff.

• 31:43Connor Wood?

  I always used to joke that my dad would spend so much time working on the yard that he had a second family hidden in the bushes somewhere.

• 31:48Brooke Averick?

  Oh, that's cute.

• 31:50Connor Wood?

  Yeah. It was fun. It did make me and my close immediate family laugh.

• 31:55Brooke Averick?

  You have always been and will always be a comedian, first and foremost.

• 31:58Connor Wood?

  Uh, I used to be so funny with my dad out working in the yard.

• 32:01Brooke Averick?

  Oh, I remember you used to work the lawnmower too, right?

• 32:04Connor Wood?

  I did, you used to mow the lawn.

• 32:06Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 32:07Connor Wood?

  Oh my gosh, that was genuine hell on earth. That was up there with learning two dances on Dancing with the Stars.

• 32:14Brooke Averick?

  How long has it been? Have, that you've been dancing? Ten weeks?

• 32:17Connor Wood?

  I moved here on August 19th.

• 32:22Connor Wood?

  I moved here on August 19th to November 11th.

• 32:25Brooke Averick?

  Have we discussed how much it's gonna blow when you go back to New York? Like in terms of like having to do Virch?

• 32:32Connor Wood?

  I, like, I, I think everything will be okay. And I'm gonna be here so much more again now.

• 32:38Brooke Averick?

  I hope.

• 32:39Connor Wood?

  It's time that I go to, to my apartment and sleep in my bed.

• 32:42Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 32:43Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 32:43Brooke Averick?

  It's just, it will just blow.

• 32:46Connor Wood?

  It will be below deck.

• 32:47Brooke Averick?

  It will leaf blow in the yard sadly.

• 32:51Connor Wood?

  Speaking of, yeah, I used to mow the lawn.

• 32:53Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, yeah, I used to know my way around the lawn mower.

• 32:57Connor Wood?

  I told you, I had so much pent up anger about mowing the lawn that like, did I tell you that that one time I was just like so mad, just like, at my, at my parents for making me mow the lawn? And I had to get the leaf blower out and I was pulling the thing, go, go, and it wouldn't start. And I pulled it so hard that I dropped it and it hit the ground. The gas cap fell off of the leaf blower. And the way it hit the ground made the gas splash forward and then back up the tube and then into my eyes.

• 33:27Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I remember this vaguely.

• 33:28Connor Wood?

  Yeah, and there was just gas in my eyes.

• 33:30Brooke Averick?

  What do you do when you get gas in your eyes?

• 33:31Connor Wood?

  Punch a hole in the drywall in the garage.

• 33:33Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 33:35Connor Wood?

  Which was awesome to explain to my dad that I was already, I was already mad at him for making me leaf blow. I was like, who are we trying to impress with the driveway? We don't have guests over. Why does the driveway need to have no leaves in it?

• 33:49Brooke Averick?

  Sure.

• 33:49Connor Wood?

  And now I understand that blowing out the, the yard was more of an act of keeping everyone in line with like, who's in charge. It was like, less of like, we don't need a single leaf in the driveway and more of like, no, go out and, and blow out the driveway, cause I, cause I told you to and I'm your father.

• 34:09Brooke Averick?

  Got it.

• 34:10Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 34:10Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, it's, it keeps a hierarchy and, and shit like-

• 34:14Connor Wood?

  You do need that. You do need that.

• 34:16Brooke Averick?

  Maslow's hierarchy and everything like that.

• 34:17Connor Wood?

  Maslow.

• 34:18Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, we've spoken about Maslow.

• 34:20Connor Wood?

  It's been a while. I think we could-

• 34:22Brooke Averick?

  No, you've, you've done a bit on the hierarchy of needs.

• 34:26Connor Wood?

  I always do bits on the hierarchy needs, cause I, I think that like, food, shelter, what have you, so important, blah, blah, blah, yawn.

• 34:33Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Connor Wood?

  We need other stuff too.

• 34:35Brooke Averick?

  But I'm just saying that's Maslow.

• 34:40Connor Wood?

  That's Maslow. He's Maslow. She's Maslow.

• 34:44Brooke Averick?

  She, they, them, Maslow.

• 34:45Connor Wood?

  We are Maslow.

• 34:47Brooke Averick?

  Wait, I did, you, you wanna look up Maslow?

• 34:49Connor Wood?

  I just wanted to just check, who was Maslow and why did he decide my hierarchy?

• 34:53Brooke Averick?

  You wanna look up Maslow?

• 34:56Connor Wood?

  Brooke, I do. I wanna look up Maslow. Abraham Harold Maslow. That is a name for the books.

• 35:03Brooke Averick?

  It really is.

• 35:03Connor Wood?

  Hi, I'm Abraham Harold Maslow. What can I do for you? Well, he lived old.

• 35:09Brooke Averick?

  He didn't.

• 35:10Connor Wood?

  Almost 62 years.

• 35:13Brooke Averick?

  I guess that was old for them.

• 35:14Connor Wood?

  That was like genuinely 100 years.

• 35:17Brooke Averick?

  Self-actualization, I can't do with all that right now.

• 35:20Connor Wood?

  What is self-actualization to you?

• 35:23Brooke Averick?

  I don't know.

• 35:23Connor Wood?

  It'd be like-

• 35:24Brooke Averick?

  The pursuit of personal growth, creativity and fulfilling one's highest potential. I'm self-actualized. People, like, as much as y'all don't believe that, I feel self-actualized.

• 35:33Connor Wood?

  Really?

• 35:34Brooke Averick?

  Right now in, in this Kelly Clarkson.

• 35:37Connor Wood?

  Oh my, she looks like a hoot.

• 35:40Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, he does look sweet and cute.

• 35:43Connor Wood?

  Let's see, did Maslow believe in God?

• 35:46Connor Wood?

  Oh my gosh, wait, slow down for me really quick. No, Abraham did not. He also married his first cousin.

• 35:51Brooke Averick?

  Awesome.

• 35:51Connor Wood?

  So let's, maybe we redo the hierarchy of needs if his top need was marrying his first cousin.

• 35:56Brooke Averick?

  I don't think that was his top need.

• 35:58Connor Wood?

  Well-

• 35:59Brooke Averick?

  I think that was, where is love and shit on his hierarchy?

• 36:02Connor Wood?

  He fell in love with her as a teenager.

• 36:04Brooke Averick?

  Mine did too.

• 36:05Connor Wood?

  Go ahead and shake that one off.

• 36:06Brooke Averick?

  The thing is, and you know, we've spoken on incest before, um, which I'm surprised that never came back to bite us.

• 36:13Connor Wood?

  It is currently, still, yeah, that's why I like, wanted to cut you off.

• 36:17Brooke Averick?

  I had no idea.

• 36:18Connor Wood?

  Yeah, like, I honestly think like-

• 36:19Brooke Averick?

  That's awesome. Um-

• 36:21Connor Wood?

  We just say, it's wrong.

• 36:22Brooke Averick?

  No, but this is, no, this is what I'm saying, like, it is like a cultural taboo, cause it was okay at this time. And these are stuff like, we're not saying we have an opinion on it, but like, this is stuff you talk about, like, in an ethics class. And Connor and I like to turn our podcast into an ethics seminar of sorts sometimes.

• 36:40Connor Wood?

  And serve-

• 36:40Brooke Averick?

  That's all we were doing. That's all we were doing and all we continue to do.

• 36:43Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 36:43Brooke Averick?

  It's just, we're just curious and we just like, we figure things out as we go. So as, this was culturally acceptable back then. That's all, I'll say.

• 36:55Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 36:57Brooke Averick?

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• 37:14Connor Wood?

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• 38:02Brooke Averick?

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• 38:21Connor Wood?

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• 38:28Brooke Averick?

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• 38:44Connor Wood?

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• 39:23Brooke Averick?

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• 40:11Brooke Averick?

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• 40:33Connor Wood?

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• 41:56Connor Wood?

  Yeah. Yes.

• 41:59Brooke Averick?

  Cool.

• 42:09Connor Wood?

  I miss my ethics class.

• 42:11Brooke Averick?

  Oh, my God. My, I have, I took philosophy. I guess that they do ethics in philosophy, I think, was that what it was? That we'd, right?

• 42:21Connor Wood?

  Because I don't know.

• 42:22Brooke Averick?

  Is it separate?

• 42:24Connor Wood?

  I think ethics is like, you can do current-day ethics.

• 42:28Brooke Averick?

  We definitely did the train thing in philosophy.

• 42:32Connor Wood?

  The trolley problem?

• 42:33Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. Clang, clang, clang, goes the trolley.

• 42:37Connor Wood?

  Which way will you pull?

• 42:40Brooke Averick?

  My philosophy teacher was so cute.

• 42:46Connor Wood?

  So it was like, would you rather hook up with five people that are your peers, or hook up with one person that is your professor?

• 42:55Brooke Averick?

  One that is my professor? Which is fine to do,

• 43:01Brooke Averick?

  if you're not in his class, probably.

• 43:02Connor Wood?

  Hmm, I don't think a professor can have any sort of, like, unprofessional relationship with students.

• 43:10Brooke Averick?

  If they're not your student, there's no conflict of interest. He was a young guy.

• 43:16Connor Wood?

  And he was a, he was a tenured professor?

• 43:18Brooke Averick?

  I don't know about his tenure. He was young, and I feel like a lot of professors were also like PhD student, PhD candidates.

• 43:26Connor Wood?

  I don't think you become a professor and your study.

• 43:29Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, you're right. I don't know if he was a professor. I think he was a professor.

• 43:34Connor Wood?

  He could have been like, not a TA, though, like above a TA.

• 43:37Brooke Averick?

  What's above a TA and below professor?

• 43:39Connor Wood?

  There are professors, there are, I don't know, but there are assistant professor, like AP?

• 43:46Brooke Averick?

  But let me paint you a scenario.

• 43:52Brooke Averick?

  The graduate academic training, early career, non, yeah, he might have just been non-tenure track faculty.

• 43:58Connor Wood?

  An instructor.

• 43:58Brooke Averick?

  He was an instructor, but I don't, actually don't remember. I think he could have been a professor. But let me paint you a scenario. I'm in my dorm at Warren Towers, smelling the subway, wafting up into my room. I'm on Tinder. Okay, because that was the thing back then. This isn't real, by the way. I'm just painting you a picture. I see, I'm 20.

• 44:20Brooke Averick?

  I swipe right on someone who's 28, or, hmm, let's say he's 26.

• 44:26Connor Wood?

  Okay.

• 44:27Brooke Averick?

  And let's say I'm 21.

• 44:28Connor Wood?

  Okay, sure.

• 44:29Brooke Averick?

  I'm 21, he's 26. We go out on a date. I'm like, oh, what do you do? He's like, oh, I'm a professor at BU. And I'm like, oh, okay.

• 44:36Connor Wood?

  Is this real?

• 44:37Brooke Averick?

  No, this is not real. This is not real. And I'm like, oh, cool, I'm a student at BU.

• 44:41Connor Wood?

  That's the end of it.

• 44:42Brooke Averick?

  Do you think?

• 44:43Connor Wood?

  I truly think.

• 44:44Brooke Averick?

  Oh, I don't think so at all. There, if there's, I'm not in his class.

• 44:48Connor Wood?

  Marco's got money troubles. That's what I'm hearing.

• 44:52Brooke Averick?

  What do you mean?

• 44:54Connor Wood?

  It is certainly a conflict of interest, I think.

• 44:56Brooke Averick?

  I don't, what's the conflict?

• 44:58Connor Wood?

  If you ended up transferring, you ended up switching your major.

• 45:03Brooke Averick?

  I'm just, well, if we're dating, it's like, okay, I'm not taking your class. I'm also a senior.

• 45:07Connor Wood?

  Well, you have a good head on your shoulders. I don't think that can be said about blanket statement.

• 45:11Brooke Averick?

  It's so normal.

• 45:13Connor Wood?

  A student can't date a professor at the university that they go to.

• 45:15Brooke Averick?

  Absolutely can. I don't think there's any conflict.

• 45:19Connor Wood?

  I don't even think we can Google that. I think that that's just like.

• 45:21Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, you can. Can a student date a professor?

• 45:24Connor Wood?

  I wish we could call Maslow.

• 45:26Brooke Averick?

  If they're not, whether a professor or a student, it depends when or not, whether in the same class, depends heavily on specific university policies, department supervisory power dynamic, and whether the professor has any evaluative role over the student. Yeah, as long as there's no power dynamic involved, that's just like, there's no difference between dating, what if they went, what if they taught at BC and I went to BU?

• 45:48Connor Wood?

  No conflict of interest. You don't go to that university.

• 45:50Brooke Averick?

  But the, there's no conflict of interest if I'm not taking their class.

• 45:54Connor Wood?

  They might know you're a professor. They throw you a bone that way.

• 45:57Brooke Averick?

  They could know my professor if they also taught at BC.

• 46:00Connor Wood?

  I just, you know, I don't know.

• 46:03Brooke Averick?

  You know, I take this very seriously as a, as a romance author. There's tons of, like, you should read The Love Hypothesis. That was actually a little bit, there's, that one's a little bit.

• 46:12Connor Wood?

  What was the?

• 46:13Brooke Averick?

  The Love Hypothesis is, she's a PhD candidate, and he is a professor within the, within the department, but also in a different department. I don't kind of really know how that works at all.

• 46:27Connor Wood?

  So he has a lot of pull at the university?

• 46:29Brooke Averick?

  Yes, like, there was, that was iffy.

• 46:33Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 46:33Brooke Averick?

  But I liked it.

• 46:35Connor Wood?

  Sure, it is sexy. Yeah, of course.

• 46:39Brooke Averick?

  Oh, I loved the scene where she had to sit on his lap in a lecture, because there was no space.

• 46:46Brooke Averick?

  There was just no other space to sit. And to me, if you said I have a problem with that, I would say, well, yes. But the, the situation I painted you, there's no problem.

• 46:58Brooke Averick?

  It's, it's only fun if there's like a little bit of, like, this is wrong, to me.

• 47:05Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 47:05Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Connor Wood?

  Okay.

• 47:08Brooke Averick?

  Uh, anyway, I saw, imagine this. I'm having trouble making it from like the bed to the couch. I'm, by the way, I'm fine. Like, I will be fine next week when, when like daylight savings is, like, I'm a little bit more used to it. But imagine, I'm struggling. Tristan texts me, you still good to come to the event tomorrow? I forget. I say, what event? I had agreed to go to a sunrise viewing of Sunrise on the Reaping. Doors open 6:00 AM.

• 47:42Connor Wood?

  That's like, to me, a matinee feels scary because I don't want to go to the movies during the day. A movie for sunrise, like going into a movie when the sun's setting, I get it, you come out, it's dark, it's nighttime. Going in and it's kind of dark out and then you come out, it's the morning. How did you do that?

• 47:58Brooke Averick?

  I don't know, but I did because I had that, I had been talking to you things that weekend and he said you can't, you can't do a three, a threefer. And I was like, that's honestly fair. So I did it at my, I got up at 5:20 for the viewing of Sunrise on.

• 48:14Connor Wood?

  Got all gutsy'd up?

• 48:15Brooke Averick?

  Uh, for whatever reason, every single person there had, was in matching PJs except for me and Tristan. As he did not provide me with the PJ set that was required of me. But, oh, the movie was fabulous.

• 48:29Connor Wood?

  I want to see it.

• 48:30Brooke Averick?

  I think you should read the book first. I think everyone should read the book first because it's such a faithful adaptation. It's so great. But there's always more in the book. There's so many characters and you spend so much more time with them in the books. And this is a very sad one, which is clear because like it's Haymitch's Hunger Games, like, you know, we know. How they end. We know there's only one person that, that makes it out and it's Haymitch. Um, the book is like, how, how did that come to be? But like, every single character that you get attached to in the games, it's like, you know, they're not long. For this world and you get really attached in the book. So I would read the book and it's so good. To me, the, this one felt like. The, it had the spirit of the original trilogy.

• 49:13Connor Wood?

  I want everyone to remember who put Hunger Games on the map.

• 49:16Brooke Averick?

  Yes, Connor discovered the Hunger Games.

• 49:19Connor Wood?

  I, I almost wrote it.

• 49:21Brooke Averick?

  I know.

• 49:21Connor Wood?

  That's how, that's how early I was to reading it.

• 49:24Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. So.

• 49:26Connor Wood?

  Okay, I need to see this movie. Joseph Zada I've known as gonna, was gonna be a star for a long time.

• 49:30Brooke Averick?

  Was he, is he the main?

• 49:33Connor Wood?

  The blonde young man. Yeah. I've no, I like, I forget what he was in first, but I, I saw. Something with him in it like very early and I was like, yep, he'll be, he will be next one up.

• 49:45Brooke Averick?

  Uh, he was pretty damn good, Connor.

• 49:47Connor Wood?

  I figured he would be. I haven't seen it yet.

• 49:51Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, it's not out, I don't think.

• 49:52Connor Wood?

  Oh, well, that's why I haven't seen it.

• 49:53Brooke Averick?

  Um.

• 49:55Connor Wood?

  And then Whitney Peak, isn't it?

• 49:56Brooke Averick?

  Freak, which one was Whitney Peak?

• 49:58Connor Wood?

  Um, well, I don't know the characters, of course.

• 50:00Brooke Averick?

  Okay, well, let me.

• 50:01Connor Wood?

  I've only seen the press run.

• 50:03Brooke Averick?

  Sure.

• 50:03Connor Wood?

  So Whitney Peak.

• 50:04Brooke Averick?

  Oh, she's so good and pretty.

• 50:07Connor Wood?

  Is dating my friend Lucas.

• 50:09Brooke Averick?

  I didn't know you, he, I did not know she was dating her friend Lucas. Lucas who?

• 50:12Connor Wood?

  Um, Ansel.

• 50:13Brooke Averick?

  Who's Lucas Ansel?

• 50:15Connor Wood?

  He's one of my like OG TikTok friends. Like I met him the same time I met you.

• 50:22Brooke Averick?

  What?

• 50:23Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 50:26Brooke Averick?

  I can't, I don't know where they are.

• 50:28Connor Wood?

  They're the top left, you see. Yeah, there he is. I love the young man. Um, I met him same time I met you.

• 50:37Connor Wood?

  Like right around.

• 50:38Brooke Averick?

  Sweet.

• 50:39Connor Wood?

  And he's so funny. Oh, yeah, there, there's him and Joseph.

• 50:43Brooke Averick?

  Wow.

• 50:43Connor Wood?

  But they were in Montreal when I was there for, just for laughs.

• 50:46Brooke Averick?

  Joseph looked like somebody we know well, had a baby with somber.

• 50:55Connor Wood?

  Joseph looks like somebody we know well had a baby with somber.

• 50:59Brooke Averick?

  And, and I don't see it like in the pictures, but like, once you, and sadly, you guys don't know the person that we know. But once you.

• 51:09Connor Wood?

  Are you asking, are you saying?

• 51:10Brooke Averick?

  Like, oh, you can see the somber there.

• 51:12Connor Wood?

  I see the somber here, yeah.

• 51:14Brooke Averick?

  But, um, yeah, it was really good. And I hope that everyone reads the book first because. I think that you should always read the book first.

• 51:24Connor Wood?

  Really?

• 51:25Brooke Averick?

  I do. Unless you're like. Yeah, I, I, if it's something that you're interested in and like, then yeah, it's, the book is always going to be better. So why would you deprive yourself of it? Kind of vibe. But like, if it's something you're just like, oh, cool. I, I, reading a book is much more of an investment. So if it's something that you're kind of just like, ah, whatever about, of course, just watch the movie. But if it's something that you like truly have interest in and, and like the Hunger Games, I think you should absolutely read first.

• 51:51Connor Wood?

  Maybe I'll read this now.

• 51:53Brooke Averick?

  And again, like with you, it's like, read something that you know you will like and enjoy vibes.

• 51:58Connor Wood?

  Challenge.

• 51:58Brooke Averick?

  Challenge, exactly.

• 52:00Connor Wood?

  Challenge accepted.

• 52:01Brooke Averick?

  I hope, yeah.

• 52:05Brooke Averick?

  Plank, plank, plank.

• 52:06Connor Wood?

  Plank, plank, plank is a trolley. Oh, that's what I was going to ask you.

• 52:10Brooke Averick?

  What?

• 52:10Connor Wood?

  Do you know the trolley problem?

• 52:12Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I always forget it.

• 52:13Connor Wood?

  Okay, here, let me walk you through it.

• 52:15Brooke Averick?

  Okay.

• 52:17Connor Wood?

  There's a trolley coming.

• 52:18Brooke Averick?

  Okay.

• 52:19Connor Wood?

  There's a huge problem.

• 52:20Brooke Averick?

  Massive.

• 52:22Connor Wood?

  Here it goes. It's, it goes like this and it goes like.

• 52:26Brooke Averick?

  Like, mm, mm. Mm, mm, no.

• 52:31Connor Wood?

  Whoa, deep. Talk about krillion.

• 52:33Brooke Averick?

  Talk about a deep, talk about one in a krillion.

• 52:35Connor Wood?

  That's one in a krillion.

• 52:36Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Connor Wood?

  And it goes like.

• 52:38Brooke Averick?

  You want to hear another sound that's been stuck in my head that's horrible?

• 52:42Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 52:43Brooke Averick?

  Cause things have been, that's the unexpected. Cause I'm an inter, I'm an international super spy, super spy. That one.

• 52:57Connor Wood?

  I don't know.

• 52:58Brooke Averick?

  Horrible.

• 52:58Connor Wood?

  I've never heard that.

• 52:59Brooke Averick?

  Yes, you have.

• 53:02Connor Wood?

  I've never heard that.

• 53:02Brooke Averick?

  Rea- really?

• 53:04Connor Wood?

  Really, Brooke?

• 53:06Brooke Averick?

  I'm shocked.

• 53:07Connor Wood?

  No, dead ass.

• 53:08Brooke Averick?

  That one was really bad.

• 53:09Connor Wood?

  No, genuinely dead ass.

• 53:10Brooke Averick?

  Okay, sorry. And you were saying?

• 53:13Connor Wood?

  The trolley problem goes like this. You have the lever. For whatever reason, you're in control of this lever. There's a trolley coming and fast. You've got to make this decision.

• 53:26Connor Wood?

  Do we leave tonight or live and die this way?

• 53:28Brooke Averick?

  Oh, wait, is it like, it's one person you know that dies or five people that you don't know?

• 53:33Connor Wood?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:33Brooke Averick?

  I mean, that's not even a question to me.

• 53:35Connor Wood?

  By five.

• 53:37Brooke Averick?

  By.

• 53:38Connor Wood?

  Yeah. I don't know you. I'm sorry. Maybe you guys could have put more effort into get to know me.

• 53:42Brooke Averick?

  It's really not a question for me and like, and if, and then if someone yells at me for not being ethical, I don't give, I don't care.

• 53:49Connor Wood?

  Okay, you are the driver of a, of a runaway trolley about to kill five people unless you switch the tracks. Do nothing, five people die, switch tracks, one person dies. Oh, I thought you knew the one person.

• 54:00Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, well.

• 54:01Connor Wood?

  Well, then in that case, if I don't know anybody, why am I in charge?

• 54:05Brooke Averick?

  Oh, I guess because it's like you are killed, you're actively killing someone if you pull the lever.

• 54:11Connor Wood?

  Oh, like it's barreling towards the five people and that's the course that nature decided to take, but you actually have stepped in? What is that, what is that web of, what is that web right there? Is, is this a deeper thought? There's one person on every track between the stations. Every track must be hit at least once before. Okay, this is like a puzzle. No, no puzzles for me per, on a personal level, but thank you.

• 54:37Connor Wood?

  Okay, I'm, I'm confused about the morality piece of this.

• 54:40Brooke Averick?

  I think it's like you're, you're making an active choice to kill someone.

• 54:44Connor Wood?

  Or just closing your eyes.

• 54:45Brooke Averick?

  The lever as well, or just letting the, like.

• 54:49Connor Wood?

  Letting it play out.

• 54:50Brooke Averick?

  Letting God.

• 54:52Connor Wood?

  This is just like.

• 54:55Connor Wood?

  A tale of two cities, you know? One city has one person in it, one city has five person in it. It's like, which one? Do you, you kill, you, you have to do the greater good. Five people could have. A one baby each or two babies each and those babies could have two babies each. And then you've got. Potential, well, more potential for one of them to become Adele.

• 55:21Brooke Averick?

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:21Connor Wood?

  And we do need more Adebels.

• 55:24Brooke Averick?

  Ooh, what if, no, I don't want to like put real people on the tracks, but.

• 55:28Connor Wood?

  Put some people, people, put people I know on the tracks.

• 55:32Brooke Averick?

  What, I, I guess if it was like, what if like Adele is on one track and then it's like five, like more minor artists?

• 55:40Connor Wood?

  Okay, so now we, now that's beefy.

• 55:42Brooke Averick?

  Uh-huh. See, this is what I'm saying about like. So sorry to bring up incest again, but like, these are the conversations I like having, like, just like when we get into the ethics. It's not like we're taking a side, except for when we take sides.

• 55:57Connor Wood?

  Except for when we pull the lever.

• 55:57Brooke Averick?

  I like, I like these kinds of conversations.

• 56:01Connor Wood?

  It's okay to have these conversations. We're deciding to do it with a mic in terms of public scrutiny, which I'm sure. The public will have scrutiny forever. That's what we signed up for.

• 56:09Brooke Averick?

  Why do I love the public?

• 56:12Connor Wood?

  Oh, it's for me, you like the, for me, it's the scrutiny part.

• 56:16Brooke Averick?

  You love it?

• 56:16Connor Wood?

  I'm loving the scrutiny.

• 56:17Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I'm addicted to it as well.

• 56:20Connor Wood?

  Um. Hmm, that's in terms of Adele and five minor artists, like.

• 56:26Brooke Averick?

  I just don't want to name the five minor artists.

• 56:27Connor Wood?

  Also, now that's talking, that's, that's, you've now removed the potential for greatness from everybody and you've just given me greatness. And then it's like.

• 56:40Connor Wood?

  You put me in a tough spot because Adele has done so much good.

• 56:43Brooke Averick?

  And she's a good person.

• 56:44Connor Wood?

  And she continues to do so much good.

• 56:46Brooke Averick?

  Good person.

• 56:46Connor Wood?

  I don't know what everyone else has potential wise, but unfortunately we'll never find out.

• 56:50Brooke Averick?

  I know that.

• 56:51Connor Wood?

  Because I'm saving Adele and every life it was always Adele.

• 56:54Brooke Averick?

  "I Drink Wine" is one of the best songs that I've ever heard. Agree or no?

• 56:58Connor Wood?

  Mm hmm.

• 57:01Connor Wood?

  I can't think of a song of hers that isn't, to me, Adele is driving through a windy road

• 57:15Connor Wood?

  in a convertible. It's cool out, it's crisp out, but you've got the heat on because you can afford that kind of thing, you know?

• 57:22Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 57:24Connor Wood?

  You've got a warm cup of something, maybe tea.

• 57:28Brooke Averick?

  Okay.

• 57:29Connor Wood?

  Because it's Adele. Out of respect for Adele, I'm doing tea.

• 57:32Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 57:32Connor Wood?

  Maybe a black or an Earl Grey. And it is kind of like this kind of vibe here.

• 57:41Connor Wood?

  You're feeling a sense of accomplishment.

• 57:44Connor Wood?

  But there's a palpable sense of looking forward to the near future, but not in a way that's volatile. In a way that's like,

• 57:53Brooke Averick?

  My word.

• 57:53Connor Wood?

  I know that this will be great and I'm excited, like a nice evening with friends that you haven't seen in a while. That's what Adele is to me. Crisp bear, warm car.

• 58:05Brooke Averick?

  I love that.

• 58:06Connor Wood?

  And a lovely evening to look forward to.

• 58:08Brooke Averick?

  You should write a book.

• 58:11Connor Wood?

  That's your lane. I'm not in. It used to be.

• 58:15Brooke Averick?

  Used to be.

• 58:16Connor Wood?

  I lost something once.

• 58:19Brooke Averick?

  I wrote a book once.

• 58:21Connor Wood?

  How's second book going?

• 58:21Brooke Averick?

  Lord, I pray for strength. It's so different. It's so, so different. It's so different. Different and different is not bad. I have to tell myself that. Different is not bad. Um, yeah, it's been a very different process. And

• 58:40Brooke Averick?

  and I have to trust it and I'm having a hard time doing that.

• 58:43Connor Wood?

  Oh, because the process can be so shifty.

• 58:45Brooke Averick?

  The process can be so shifty. It is just like, I feel like I've given this analogy a few times, but I'll give it again. Phoebe, I had, I had had that like very loose idea since college. And so it was always kind of there when I was writing, kind of like if you have a slab of marble and you're like chipping away at it and then the sculpture has been there all along, you know? This is like building the sculpture from the ground up. Like I'm, I'm writing about something that I've really just like never experienced. Not that I experienced all of Phoebe, but like a lot of that was taken from like my brain. But this is just making shit up and it's very different and harder.

• 59:30Connor Wood?

  For sure.

• 59:31Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, but I,

• 59:33Connor Wood?

  You'll figure it out.

• 59:34Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, I'll figure it out because I, well, because I have to.

• 59:36Connor Wood?

  By the way, "You'll figure it out" is my, is my least favorite thing that so many people in my close life say. I think my dad says that a lot. You'll figure it out. And I know that these people mean it, but it does piss me off beyond belief because it's like, but help me.

• 59:51Brooke Averick?

  But help me.

• 59:52Connor Wood?

  But no one can help you.

• 59:53Brooke Averick?

  The thing that does genuinely help me is like, name a time you genuinely have figured it out.

• 1:00:01Connor Wood?

  Specific?

• 1:00:02Brooke Averick?

  Mm hmm. Name a time that like you genuinely just failed.

• 1:00:11Connor Wood?

  I don't want to.

• 1:00:12Brooke Averick?

  You can't.

• 1:00:13Connor Wood?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:14Brooke Averick?

  Because you have always figured it out.

• 1:00:16Connor Wood?

  I know. I wrote that down on a sticky note long ago.

• 1:00:20Brooke Averick?

  That's how I feel when I like let myself, like my apartment get really disgusting and I just feel like I'll be living in filth forever. And like, I will never, ever pick up this pile off the floor. I have to remind myself like, there's never been a time in your life where you've never ultimately ended up picking up the pile one day. You know?

• 1:00:39Connor Wood?

  The pile will get picked up.

• 1:00:40Brooke Averick?

  I have to tell myself that right now. As there's, there's a pile that's been there. I'll be honest for you, three months of just clothes.

• 1:00:47Connor Wood?

  That's just the pile.

• 1:00:48Brooke Averick?

  It's just the pile and it's definitely one of the longer,

• 1:00:51Connor Wood?

  You know what, Brooke?

• 1:00:51Brooke Averick?

  Longer terms.

• 1:00:52Connor Wood?

  Here's, here's what I can, I want to give you a little inkling of like a little potato of advice. You should personify the pile as your friend. Hi pile. Maybe walk in and say, hi pile, how are you pile? And when the pile offers, offers you

• 1:01:11Connor Wood?

  any sentiment, take, take the advice from the pile. The pile doesn't feel like it needs to be moved. The pile is blooming where it's planted.

• 1:01:20Brooke Averick?

  My cats love laying in the pile too. So it's, it's like rude of me.

• 1:01:23Connor Wood?

  Thank you, the pile.

• 1:01:24Brooke Averick?

  Thank you, the pile. Like I don't, my cats love it here. Like how, how could I possibly hold clothes?

• 1:01:30Connor Wood?

  Who am I to remove the pile?

• 1:01:33Brooke Averick?

  I completely agree.

• 1:01:35Connor Wood?

  Maybe think about,

• 1:01:36Brooke Averick?

  The pile is my friend.

• 1:01:37Connor Wood?

  Think about the pile as a friend.

• 1:01:38Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Brooke Averick?

  So anyway, appreciate you.

• 1:01:41Connor Wood?

  I did have the housekeeper that's in the apartment I'm in right now.

• 1:01:48Connor Wood?

  She said, why don't you have any hangers?

• 1:01:50Brooke Averick?

  Fair.

• 1:01:50Connor Wood?

  And I said, I thought I was going home, girl.

• 1:01:53Brooke Averick?

  Girl?

• 1:01:54Connor Wood?

  She's like,

• 1:01:54Brooke Averick?

  Yeah, you've been living there, huh?

• 1:01:56Connor Wood?

  I would put away your clothes, but you don't have any hangers. I go, well, I'm a full, I'm a shelf guy. Because hangers just like,

• 1:02:03Brooke Averick?

  I mean, hanging stuff up.

• 1:02:04Connor Wood?

  It's pretty miserable.

• 1:02:06Brooke Averick?

  It's pretty damn tough.

• 1:02:07Connor Wood?

  It's a part of life that is that thing where it's like, it takes three seconds to do this thing. And it makes your life so much easier because then you create the pile. And I go, the pile? I'm not threatened to buy the pile. In fact, I know exactly where everything is within the pile.

• 1:02:21Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:22Connor Wood?

  Because I've seen it.

• 1:02:23Brooke Averick?

  Completely.

• 1:02:25Connor Wood?

  Last night,

• 1:02:29Connor Wood?

  Sheryl Crow was leaving.

• 1:02:30Brooke Averick?

  Sheryl.

• 1:02:31Connor Wood?

  Sheryl Crow was leaving and they were like, I know, they had, some people in production had heard that I wanted to get her to sign my little card. Because I was the one that pulled the card that said, you'll be dancing to All I Want to Do by Sheryl Crow. And I was like, I really wanted her to sign that. And they were like, we'll go get it while you do the press. Why don't you just let us have your keys? And I was like, I don't want you to see my car.

• 1:02:58Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Connor Wood?

  Because I've kind of been living in that as well as my apartment. And then I go,

• 1:03:05Brooke Averick?

  I wish like so many people live like us, just like with piles and mess and just like, I wish we could just be like, yeah, this is this kind of person. Like they will have piles and that's nothing that you should feel ashamed of.

• 1:03:21Brooke Averick?

  No?

• 1:03:23Connor Wood?

  I'm wondering, I'm trying to think of,

• 1:03:25Brooke Averick?

  Although if we just accepted it, like would the pile ever get cleaned up?

• 1:03:28Connor Wood?

  Well, would the pile get worse? You know, like I do think it's okay to have a little bit of shame regarding,

• 1:03:33Brooke Averick?

  Sure.

• 1:03:34Connor Wood?

  Not necessarily the pile, but like, you didn't see my car.

• 1:03:39Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. I see both sides.

• 1:03:42Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Brooke Averick?

  See both sides?

• 1:03:43Connor Wood?

  Yeah. Because sometimes it's just like a very, it's, you think of it as like a temporary, like let me just put this,

• 1:03:51Connor Wood?

  my, my lunch, I just finished it in my car because I didn't have time. Let me just put this on the passenger seat. And then you have someone in your car and it's like, sorry about the fork in your ass. Like I was eating lunch in here.

• 1:04:01Brooke Averick?

  Totally.

• 1:04:02Connor Wood?

  And then like, that doesn't land as well with people that don't eat lunch in their car and like, that's okay. They're not judging me for it, but I do feel embarrassed when they get in my car and it smells like beef, you know?

• 1:04:13Brooke Averick?

  That I get. I get the smell piece. Yeah, for sure.

• 1:04:17Connor Wood?

  My car doesn't smell.

• 1:04:19Brooke Averick?

  You just had it smell like beef.

• 1:04:20Connor Wood?

  Sometimes it smells like beef when I eat the beef.

• 1:04:22Brooke Averick?

  It just sucks because it's, I remember learning about matter out of place in science class once and it really resonated with me. Like if you were in the kitchen and it smelled like beef, awesome. But when you're in a different, in a place that it's not supposed to smell like beef and it smells like beef, it's deeply upsetting.

• 1:04:41Brooke Averick?

  And that's a really good example of matter out of place.

• 1:04:46Connor Wood?

  Yeah, well said. Like if my bed smelled like beef, I have to move. I don't even want to get to the bottom of it. Like, don't even tell me.

• 1:04:56Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Connor Wood?

  Don't even tell me what smelled like beef. I'm out.

• 1:04:59Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. So matter out of place is a, is a really serious principle.

• 1:05:03Connor Wood?

  Well said. Oh my God.

• 1:05:05Brooke Averick?

  Thank you. I think the way I learned about it was like, there was a hair in my sandwich and I was like, ugh, that sucks. There's a hair in my sandwich. And then my science teacher was like, isn't that amazing that like, when there's a hair on your head, it's like so normal and like the least gross thing ever. But the second that hair is somewhere it's not supposed to be, it becomes revolting.

• 1:05:27Connor Wood?

  Yeah, you don't want to eat hair.

• 1:05:29Brooke Averick?

  But yeah, totally.

• 1:05:32Connor Wood?

  And then it's like, whose hair is it?

• 1:05:33Brooke Averick?

  Whose hair? It becomes like a gross thing.

• 1:05:36Connor Wood?

  Yeah, but then it's like, whose hair is this? You know what's weird? It's not even really the hair. Because if my hair falls out and it lands in my Chipotle bowl, I'm like,

• 1:05:45Brooke Averick?

  Oh, it's, it's,

• 1:05:46Connor Wood?

  What are you doing in here? It's like not, it's the fear of the unknown ultimately.

• 1:05:50Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. Fear of the unknown meets matter out of place meets Maslow's hierarchy of needs meets the problem.

• 1:05:58Connor Wood?

  We are so gifted and talented.

• 1:06:01Brooke Averick?

  I know that.

• 1:06:02Connor Wood?

  I learned recently that the gifted and talented classes I was in growing up that I genuinely had like pride being in were about, were for unmedicated kids that had severe ADHD and otherwise.

• 1:06:19Brooke Averick?

  I was always so jealous of you guys.

• 1:06:21Connor Wood?

  Why? Because we needed extra time on our tests?

• 1:06:23Brooke Averick?

  Because I was just so normal. Like I was never in the advanced, well, I went to a weird school. Like we didn't have APs or anything. We had these like advanced classes that were for like the 1% of like brainiacs who I couldn't even have a conversation with, or the people who like definitely needed a little bit of extra support. And then you had all these like average kids and I was always one of them. And like I would have, I didn't care if I was like, I wanted to be either the kid who needed a lot of extra support or the 1%. It didn't matter to me.

• 1:06:54Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Brooke Averick?

  Which I just wanted to be one of them, but all good.

• 1:07:00Connor Wood?

  You wanted to be on the trolley.

• 1:07:01Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. I wanted to be something to someone.

• 1:07:06Brooke Averick?

  One day. One day.

• 1:07:11Connor Wood?

  Okay. So Jennifer Lawrence is everywhere except in our studio. She's going to be on Watch What Happens Live with Josh Hutcherson for their first interview together in over a decade.

• 1:07:20Brooke Averick?

  I think it's not a surprise that they're in Sunrise on the Reaping, right?

• 1:07:26Brooke Averick?

  Did you know that?

• 1:07:29Brooke Averick?

  I don't think that's a surprise. I think that that's open knowledge. Like she's spoken about being in it. She's in it. They're in it for two seconds at the end, but they're in it.

• 1:07:40Connor Wood?

  Look at them. They were children.

• 1:07:41Brooke Averick?

  I know. They don't look like children. In this movie, it's kind of like, whoa. But they were children. You do look like him a little bit.

• 1:07:51Connor Wood?

  Him?

• 1:07:52Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Brooke Averick?

  I can totally see that.

• 1:07:57Connor Wood?

  It's crazy. He is like in I Love L.A. now, you know?

• 1:08:03Brooke Averick?

  Is that show still going?

• 1:08:05Connor Wood?

  I think it got picked up for season two.

• 1:08:08Connor Wood?

  I don't know.

• 1:08:10Brooke Averick?

  Cute. Officially renewed.

• 1:08:13Connor Wood?

  And it's wrapped production.

• 1:08:14Brooke Averick?

  Fabulous.

• 1:08:15Connor Wood?

  Congratulations on season two. Hang on. Is Taron Egerton in season two?

• 1:08:22Brooke Averick?

  Not a world, is he?

• 1:08:23Connor Wood?

  Sorry, is that the person that's in the top left?

• 1:08:27Connor Wood?

  It seems to be.

• 1:08:28Brooke Averick?

  He seems to be. Oh, my God, I used to have the biggest crush on him.

• 1:08:34Connor Wood?

  What happened?

• 1:08:35Brooke Averick?

  I don't, I mean, I guess I just like phased out, but oh, my God, the amount of times I watched Rocketman and mind you, my number one song on Spotify was his version of Honky Cat. Is it Honky Cat or Tonky Cat? It's, yeah, honky, it's Honky Cat. You know that one? With him, it was him and Richard Madden like singing. Did you see the movie?

• 1:08:58Connor Wood?

  Is it Honky Cat?

• 1:08:59Brooke Averick?

  I think it's Honky Cat. Yeah. Oh, I love this one. I forget it, but I love it.

• 1:09:07Connor Wood?

  I'm sure it's fabulous.

• 1:09:08Brooke Averick?

  Oh, we will watch in the bonus.

• 1:09:11Connor Wood?

  Wow, exciting.

• 1:09:14Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Connor Wood?

  I need to watch a movie like that very soon. I haven't, I haven't sat down and really like, oh, well, I watched Wedding Crashers the other day.

• 1:09:23Brooke Averick?

  Oh, how was that?

• 1:09:24Connor Wood?

  It's a brilliant piece.

• 1:09:25Brooke Averick?

  I love Vince Vaughn.

• 1:09:28Connor Wood?

  I think we, I think we were all so much happier when Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson were doing movies together.

• 1:09:34Brooke Averick?

  I know. You know what I watched for the first time and I didn't know existed the other day? Daddy issue? Daddy, Daddy's Home with Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg. Why are you frowning?

• 1:09:48Brooke Averick?

  You're not, you're

• 1:09:50Connor Wood?

  Was it good?

• 1:09:51Brooke Averick?

  I really enjoyed it.

• 1:09:52Connor Wood?

  You're lying.

• 1:09:53Brooke Averick?

  I'm not, sadly.

• 1:09:56Brooke Averick?

  He, Will is great. I love when he plays this more like innocent doofus, like an elf. And he, he kind of came into that role in Daddy's Home.

• 1:10:08Connor Wood?

  I like his, I like his role in Wedding Crashers as well.

• 1:10:12Brooke Averick?

  He is so verse. Like, and because he's the same in Blades of Glory that he is in Wedding Crashers, like total womanizer, like freak.

• 1:10:22Connor Wood?

  I like that role.

• 1:10:23Brooke Averick?

  Or he can do elf. No, I like elf. I like both.

• 1:10:27Connor Wood?

  You like both of them?

• 1:10:28Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Connor Wood?

  Well. Oh, the other thing I was gonna say. You know Xavier?

• 1:10:33Brooke Averick?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:33Connor Wood?

  My friend. He is in Bad Monkey season two with Vince Vaughn and he plays like a pretty significant role.

• 1:10:38Brooke Averick?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:10:39Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Brooke Averick?

  Congrats to him.

• 1:10:40Connor Wood?

  I know. It's gonna be, I needed, I needed to sit down and shut up and watch that very soon.

• 1:10:46Brooke Averick?

  I need to watch a new TV show. If I could do one thing on this planet, it would be to wipe my brain so that I've never seen The Office.

• 1:10:52Connor Wood?

  I would do that with Veep.

• 1:10:53Brooke Averick?

  So that I could watch it again. Because all I do is just

• 1:10:56Connor Wood?

  I still, I still do just watch Veep. All right, we gotta wrap it up and go to bonus, I think, for a second.

• 1:11:02Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. I also just, I wanted to say something really quickly before we wrap up.

• 1:11:08Brooke Averick?

  I've, I've been like pretty disappointed by the reaction to our episode with, with Riley last week. I think, you know, all three of us had like a really fun time.

• 1:11:19Brooke Averick?

  You know, I love, I love Dancing with the Stars so much. It's become my favorite show, so I was really excited to have her on. And I'm also on my phone a lot.

• 1:11:29Brooke Averick?

  Oh, no.

• 1:11:32Brooke Averick?

  But I've been watching like, or I've not been intentionally seeking them out, but like, obviously I'm addicted to my phone and TikTok and I see all these edits that are kind of just painting me as like this, like pining, like pathetic loser for, for lack of a better word.

• 1:11:54Brooke Averick?

  And it's, it's really hurt my feelings. And I feel like I've, you know, worked too hard, both personally and, and professionally to to be seen like that.

• 1:12:07Connor Wood?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Brooke Averick?

  Yeah. And it's just been really bothering me and I, I wanted to say something about it so that if you're participating or engaging in that narrative, maybe you'll stop because it's, it's, it's really hurtful and that's it.

• 1:12:26Connor Wood?

  Well said.

• 1:12:27Brooke Averick?

  Thanks.

• 1:12:28Connor Wood?

  Yeah, I'm I'm hoping that isn't fans of the podcast. It seems to be probably people outside. But yeah, it just lower the engagement because it, it pumps them back out. So just, we could wrap that up. But we love you, Brooke.

• 1:12:42Brooke Averick?

  Thank you. I love you too. And also like, I'm, I'm good.

• 1:12:46Connor Wood?

  She is a-okay.

• 1:12:48Brooke Averick?

  Thank you.

• 1:12:50Connor Wood?

  She's our queen. Okay, we'll go to bonus. Join us there if you want to. And I don't know if we have a code still for the bonus, but we have a code still for the bonus. It is Papa for a month free of bonus episodes.

• 1:13:03Brooke Averick?

  Fabulous.

• 1:13:04Connor Wood?

  And we'll see you there. Bye, guys.

• 1:13:06Brooke Averick?

  This week on Close Friends. We are all victims of the patriarchy. Me on my cuck chair and you on your Kelly Clarkson can bring it crumbling down.

• 1:13:15Connor Wood?

  There's so many options. That's a little hoodie.

• 1:13:20Connor Wood?

  Why? Like, pull it out?

• 1:13:21Brooke Averick?

  Pull it out, stretch it, reverse it.

• 1:13:24Connor Wood?

  Flip it. And I always thought like, when I was at my job and I was on Excel, I was like, this is the same as working in the mines. Sign up on tmgstudios.tv to watch a full bonus episode.

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