Unlocking Human Potential: Sam Kukathas, Founder of Soul Purpose Leaders, on Transforming Leadership and Wellbeing

In this inspiring episode of TBCY’s Leaders Who Care series, host Mark Sadovnick sits down with Sam Kukathas, Founder of Soul Purpose Leaders, to explore his journey from an intellectually vibrant childhood in Australia to founding an organization focused on unlocking human potential and transforming leadership. Sam Kukathas opens up about pivotal moments in his life, including his academic journey, personal challenges, the influence of sport, and the power of combining philosophy, personal development, and AI. Discover how Sam’s unique approach to leadership and human transformation helps visionary leaders unlock flow, move beyond suffering, and create impact at both personal and societal levels. Hear stories of resilience, the influence of sport, and the breakthrough moments that led to the creation of Soul Purpose Leaders. Whether you’re interested in personal growth, innovative leadership, or the future of wellbeing and technology, this episode offers valuable insights and perspectives.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  Well, this is gonna be exciting because I've been vibrating since I last talked to you, Sam. So I'm excited to have you and welcome to the Leaders Who Care series.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Thanks so much, Mark. It's a pleasure to be here.

• 0:22Speaker 00

  Let's see if we can get some vibration out to all the people that are gonna watch this and whatnot. But what you're doing is amazing stuff and I'm glad that we're able to highlight it. And you'll show, not that you have to prove it, that you really are a leader who cares about taking care of people and stuff. So the best way, as I always say, is if you could just tell us a little bit about Sam. However, I always have to put an asterisk with guys especially because when I ask guys to introduce themselves, the first thing they tell me is their title and their work. And that's not actually the question. The question is, tell us a little bit about where you're from originally, where you are now, wherever you feel comfortable talking about family and stuff like that.

• 1:07Speaker 00

  We'll get to what you're like as a kid in a minute. But you know, maybe something you've never told anybody, you want to reveal to the world. That's always fun when someone does that. So share a little bit about Sam.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. So I think a good place to come from is, so I grew up in Canberra in Australia. And my dad's an academic and my parents, they used to have dinner parties. And they would bring together a lot of world-class academics in a number of fields, philosophy, political science, economics. There was a Shakespeare scholar who would come in. There was people who were experts in the Middle East. So there was a very vibrant conversation that I'd be present to. And I didn't have anything to contribute myself, but I would just sit there and I would observe these conversations. And it had a very big impact on me, you know, in terms of the life that I eventually went into, which was philosophy and studying the human condition.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  So that curiosity, I think, has been the perpetual aspect of my life, no matter the threat and which times, you know, how things have moved in unexpected ways. That kind of curious, wanting to understand things has always been a driving force of my being. But what I probably didn't appreciate until more recently is the side which comes from my mom, which is the playful side. My mom was an expert in play-based learning for 40 years and has taught in from everywhere, from India to the UK. And that playful and intuitive side is actually what really is one of my biggest strengths now. But growing up, there was more about the intellectual because it was always living in the kind of the footsteps of my dad

• 2:39Speaker 01

  and going on that academic pathway. And now it's been coming into this harmony between, you know, both parents and both of their strengths. So it's been this beautiful transition in that respect.

• 2:48Speaker 00

  I can actually see you at the table and someone about to talk about Shakespeare says this and you say, why? And then they say this and then you say, but why? And then you say, the sky is blue. Why?

• 3:03Speaker 00

  And just keep going. You know, from the, what they say in the mouth of babes comes some really good stuff, basically. So that must have been fascinating to, and I love those type of scenarios when you have like a over food and breaking bread and conversation comes up, brilliant conversations sometimes, and yet from the most unexpected source comes a statement or a question that throws everybody off, usually from a kid. So that's really interesting.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. Yeah, I think for a long time I believed my dad had the answer to any question. As I think it's common with kids. So I would just constantly ask him questions. And often he would, you know, I'd say, what does this mean? What does this mean? So he would always say, go look it up in the dictionary. Eventually I gained that habit and I started to feel the joy of just learning words. And so to the point where etymology became a really important part of how I would see the world and philosophy and understanding and deconstructing language. So I'm grateful for him calibrating that habit into me.

• 4:06Speaker 00

  And then there's a lot of, to use a very technical word, stuff you learn that way. Now, the internet's great and it's given us a lot of good stuff, but it's still a little bit different than when you went to look it up in a different way. Don't you find?

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Oh, well, you have more agency in some respects, I guess, in the sense of like, you're not looking for someone to just tell you all the answers. You're actually going to find them yourself. You know, you can still do that in a different way, I think, with AI and this kind of thing. And be, you know, that detective for the kind of questions that you're exploring. But it's obviously it's taken a different form.

• 4:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely. Well, along those lines, then what were you like as a kid and then as a teenager? Were you the lemonade stand guy entrepreneur that was selling things?

• 4:57Speaker 00

  Were you into music, sports, language, all of the above?

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, you know, for me, I was a sports obsessive. I was always outside. Like, I can't really remember too many days where it wasn't raining, where I wouldn't have been outside playing some kind of sport. Growing up, probably from about four or five years old, playing football or soccer, depending which country you're in. And then, you know, I went to the US when I was eight or nine and I got to discover cable television and all of the sports. So I would be watching like the baseball during the day. I would go to school and I would get, I remember crying because I missed a layup. You know, because that's the kind of experience I had of then playing football and then playing baseball and gridiron.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  So every single sport you could imagine, even to the point where like, whatever was happening in the world, if there was, you know, Wimbledon was on, then I would be out there with my mate and we would be at the tennis courts. If it was Aussie rules season in Australia, I'd be kicking the ball, you know, between the posts. If it was volleyball time, you know, that was what we're doing. Like, there was no sport which was off the table essentially, except for curling, I think, was usually the game.

• 6:08Speaker 00

  Curling? Now you're talking to my country in Canada.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  It's funny you say about cable. When I first, a long time ago, moved from Canada to the States and just all, it was a time when all of a sudden all these channels were coming on with cable. I was almost afraid to leave the house. I was gonna miss something, you know. It was crazy. So, yeah, but now you didn't mention one sport, mind you, when you said all the sports imaginable. You didn't mention ice hockey.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Well, I never played ice hockey, but I was a big fan of ice hockey when I lived in the States. So I remember my ninth birthday, my dad drew like a picture of Gretzky and we had an ice hockey rink cake. So, you know, and I would collect all these cards of different hockey players whenever we'd go traveling to the airports.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, I love that too. I had a lot of those, a lot of those also. And they came up, you know, we used to freeze the backyard to put, for a little ice rink. But now they've had it for a while. Now they've had brilliantly simple, a huge plastic bag, massive huge plastic bag that you fill up with water. The water evens itself out automatically. It freezes, then you cut off the top part and you have a rink. Now, why didn't they thought of that when I was a kid?

• 7:25Speaker 00

  Jeez, because it was like rough ice that we had to do the whole thing there. But yeah, it's interesting. And then if we go to education wise, I noticed obviously some consistent thread. So you got your bachelors and honors, honors with a U, by the way, just for our Mediterranean friends instead of without the U. Like neighbor and honor and things like that. And in philosophy at Australian National University, what were you envisioning, you know, after King's College for yourself? And then also to go for your doctorate of philosophy, I guess, at Oxford, right?

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I think what I was envisioning, like, I'd wanted to do a doctorate for quite a while. Like, once I discovered philosophy and it was actually the first time I was actually good at something academically, apart from like history and in high school, because I used to have a view that like, there isn't much that I'm good at and there isn't much I'm interested in, you know, completely crazy. That shows you a lot about that different to the schooling system, right? And so when I started to do philosophy and I was actually like, oh, I'm pretty good at this. That was kind of like, great, I found my path, right? So then I, you know, I wanted to follow in dad's footsteps and become an academic and become a professor. So I was just looking at like, what's the path to doing that and what's gonna allow me to make more of an impact?

• 8:44Speaker 01

  So my mind was always, you know, thinking about how can I make more of an impact in the world? I was kind of confused as to whether academia was really the pathway. So when I went to Oxford, I was doing a doctorate in law and I remember feeling like quite the imposter because I didn't study law. I'd only studied philosophy. So like, who was this guy who's like at this, you know, elite institution for law, pretending to be able to say something about something he's never studied? So it was quite a, yeah, a wake-up call. But I immersed myself in that kind of culture and I was helping around with like what the culture has prudence, the study of legal philosophy. And that helped me to be able to kind of feel like, all right, there is a place and I do fit in more and more.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  But, you know, while I learned a lot in that realm, it was also where my life went like sideways. Like, I had a friend who passed away and my own mental health just kind of crumbled for a number of years. And, you know, it eventually led to like, I think it was 2017 when I submitted my doctorate and I was in the worst mental space that I'd been, you know, in my life by that time point. And, you know, by the time I actually submitted it, I was still in this space of like overwhelm and, you know, trying to get it right and perfectionism and which as a consequence actually made it worse. So not surprisingly, I had, you know, not just revisions on my doctorate, but substantial revisions.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  And that kind of broke the whole identity that I had, but which now is a blessing, but at the time was a very difficult thing to deal with.

• 10:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, thanks for sharing that. It's interesting how things have evolved in just leadership. And leadership is almost an overuse where these days, everybody's doing leadership development and all over the place. But, and we'll get into AI in a minute, but with the evolution of things that have happened, you don't necessarily have to be an expert in law or this, that. We need experts in leadership and humanity and people right now with everything that's going on, which is beautiful. Because if AI can actually be intact, what it's supposed to be to help us be happier to do the more important things,

• 10:57Speaker 00

  then all of a sudden, the philosophy and the caring and everything else around that become maybe the most important. Then being, you know, everybody doesn't have to be an expert in law. Everybody doesn't have to be. But you do, you really kind of have to be an expert in people. And as I think, you know, I do a lot of sports analogies and you played a lot of sports. I'm assuming somewhere along the way, you noticed how sports is engaged in a lot of the things you're engaged in.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, like I actually wrote about the philosophy of sport for a period of time. Because that's how obsessed I was. I remember writing about like this like patient athlete autonomy. Because there used to be cases both in lower level football in the UK. But then the NFL where there would be these conflicts of interest between the teams and their doctors. So for instance, like an ACL would be taken out for a gridiron player without them even knowing. And then they're wondering why, you know, they've disabled down the track. And same situation was happening in football. I don't know if this would still happen now. I'd be I'd be more skeptical, just given how everything is documented. But I would I wrote about like, here's a here's a space of looking at the importance of the autonomy of the patient.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  But using this this space of of sport as the example. So I I use sport whenever I could to be able to illustrate editing. That was the that was the focal point for me.

• 12:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, you know, between money and and really knowing how to coach to win, basically.

• 12:33Speaker 00

  Money, they would they would get athletes, God knows what, to keep them going. And then later on, their bodies would would deteriorate, but also their minds. I have more executives, especially male, but female now starting more executives that that talk to me about that one moment when they were nine and a half years old, that the coach put them on the field or on the ice in a real critical situation. They don't even remember if they scored or not. They just remembered the coach actually put me out in that time when it was critical. And almost literally, their whole foundation for confidence in everything they do the rest of their life was based on that.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, we we we set these imprints very quickly. And then they if whenever they come to crumble at some point in time, then the identity also starts to crumble with it because it's like the thing that you've held on to for how you create that confidence is no longer present. So it's like, oh, I've lost my confidence. Well, no, you just, you know, have to find a new way to establish it or to find discover where it actually locates.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  And find, you know, maybe find the people that all you need is one person to believe in you, as they say.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 13:37Speaker 00

  Type of thing. So you've you've had, you know, experiences in in your journey with some unique work in research and events convener and you were a tutor in jurisprudence and all sorts of things. Are there any experiences or or inflection points that stand out? I noticed you had a confidential contract. I'm I'm almost afraid to ask to tell what the confidential contract.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll I'll see what I can say without, you know, obviously breaching any confidentiality. But, you know, that was a very interesting learning experience. I would say that the nine months I was there was kind of worth 20 years in terms of the compressed nature of, you know, working 65 hours a week in an environment in person during the pandemic to support someone who'd made a big impact in the world. And while you're supporting them, you're also being trained on your own experience of being human and getting yourself out of the way, essentially. So I would come into the space and I would let go of being Sam and I would step into the role that I was there to be. And obviously, you would get triggered all the time by different things as a consequence of letting go of your identity.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  But it also helped me to really step into a new example of who I could be as as a leader. And I got to see what worked and what and what really didn't in that environment.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's that's brilliant. It's funny how the coach and the teacher are always learning from the student while they're supposed to be doing what they're doing.

• 15:04Speaker 00

  And if you don't take, you know, it's funny, I had a fellow who coached one of my my youngest son at the time was probably like 11. And I heard him yelling in the dressing room, said, you guys want to win or have fun? Which one? And I'm thinking, really?

• 15:21Speaker 00

  First of all, you don't understand that you have a better chance of winning if you're having fun. Because you play looser, you you love it, you passion the whole bit. And I but the other thing I told him was you're missing an opportunity to be a great coach here and not to mention what you're doing to the kids and and stuff. So I really like what you said about, you know, finding out about who you are and what and how to do things. And how you said it was was brilliant because you really do make an impact on people all the time.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, I I think I I developed my capacity. I remember my a shift in my brother's perception of me because there was a straightness in which I would communicate just to kind of talk through any bullshit that was there. Like, we we worked in such a precise way in this environment that words, every word was chosen. Like, it wasn't like you just had a chance, like, be on a stream of consciousness like I would probably do more now. So it was that in some respects, a constriction, but also create a precision. And so I remember this new level of respect in my relationship with him, when I was like, no, we can just cut through that BS right now.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, that kind of makes me think it's funny. It's a longer discussion, but wherever is so has to be so politically correct that you feel you can't say anything anymore.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 16:32Speaker 00

  Rather than let's not take ourselves so seriously and just let's let it flow so we can get to where we want to get to type of type of deal. It's it's it's interesting, you know, we our our firm Fifth Element was based on the foundation that that leaders in their organizations, whatever organizations organizations are, can always do way better financially, economically, when they're doing good at the same time. So we focus on on talent and impact and using tech as a as a tool, if you will. Can you describe how how sole purpose leaders happened?

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  What's the vision? What's the mission? How it evolved and

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:07Speaker 00

  and all that?

• 17:08Speaker 01

  So, you know, what essentially happened is I took all the different skill sets that I I learnt from being a philosopher and then personal development and leadership after like the original idea of who I thought I was kind of crumbled away. And I discovered like a new light, essentially. And I had a business called The Philosophical Coach. And I remember going to an event in Phoenix. And I had a sense of like, yeah, this isn't really what I do anymore, but it's also how I'm known. So I'm just going to stick with it. And then I was doing a breathwork experience. I didn't have any experience of breathwork at this time. And I remember basically lying down with another 130 odd people, I think, in the room. And then hearing a voice which is basically saying, your business is now called Sole Purpose Leaders.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  And I, you know, internally replied, what? And then it repeated the statement. And the second time it repeated the statement, I just listened. And as I listened and I kind of felt this acceptance of that, I heard everything that at that time that it was like, oh, this is what you're here to create. You know, those things like, oh, there's a particular person who's not in this room who you're meant to support with healing generational trauma for African Americans. So then I started to like imagine that there was work around the future of medicine, which was coming through and specific people that I was meant to support. So I was just getting connected with much deeper sense of this embodiment, which I hadn't really experienced for, you know, at that that kind of level or in that particular kind of way, outside maybe like a psychedelic journey.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  So this this was really where where it emerged. And I think within a month, I remember just like the the trembling as I remember like changing the the legal name of the company and feeling all this energy of like, well, if I change it to this, like, this is really going to to alter everything that I think I know about about myself. And and it did, right? Like, everything unfolded from that space. Like, I stepped into a different reality. And that same weekend, I remember at the time, like this mission statement of who we work with came through. And I was on a table with these different women and I just said, I just got this, you know, almost like transmission or download. And it says, you know, what I do is I guide visionary leaders to unlock their limitless potential to transform humanity. And then as I spoke that, they were like, say that again.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  And as they said that, I did. And then I I got the confidence basically to get up and speak to the entire room. And the the guy who was leading the space basically said, you be that, you watch what happens. And then, you know, later that night was when I had the breathwork experience and then everything kind of integrated with that. So that was really the first step of this kind of unfolding. And then everything just kept expanding in terms of what the scale of the vision would be as I did more and more work on myself.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, I I always find these things fascinating and and then I sometimes oversimplify things so I can understand them. But you almost have to go through that journey to that for that even to come and let and let it in, right?

• 20:04Speaker 01

  For sure, for sure. I think it's, you know, whether there is a way in the future for people not to experience suffering. This is one of the things I've been playing with is the idea of suffering being optional. Last year was actually when I let go of my my doctorate, you know, even though I submitted it in 2017, I then had the interesting idea of going to write a new one from scratch, making it a law doctor this time. And I'm glad I did because I I part of the work that I'm here to do now was a correlate of that, where I I started to look at basically the possibility of law being in the interest of society and the happiness of people. And I was looking at, you know, the Scottish philosopher David Hume's theory of the mind to understand how, you know, you could understand these different institutions and what they're actually here for.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  But what happened is, you know, I'd still been attached to completing this thing because I'd given my word and all these other things, right? And I was, again, in another breathwork experience. I'd actually had an interesting lunch with someone who was a spiritual leader of sorts, but also worked with people like Margaret Thatcher on their voice. And he said, I see Buddha and Yogananda behind you. And that was at a lunch in Chelsea in London. It was an interesting thing for someone to say to you the first time they've met you. And so I I went home, I was having a session with my mentor at the time. And I just said, look, I want to bring in the divine presence of Buddha and Yogananda. And so we did. And then about 20 minutes in, this message came through, which I spoke out loud. And it says, the PhD is complete.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  To continue with this is to continue with the idea that suffering is part of life. And you're here to create a new paradigm for being human and your program is Activate Freedom. And I am just laughing and just feeling complete peace and joy. And I remember listening to the, you know, the session again as a way of integrating it and just feeling that joy and laughter again. There was no no tension. It was just complete freedom. And, you know, that was when I knew this this was truly complete. But also it gave me this idea that no, suffering isn't necessarily the journey that we all have to go on. There's another path that we can actually create. So that's part of what I see I'm here to do.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I I love that. It's kind of like, are you here to win or have fun? Type of thing, or you have to be poor to make a difference. Um, and, and um, you can't do that in the business. Business is all about making money and you have to go for it somewhere for low pay to make a difference, rather than you can have better economic um, results if you are doing good. You can do, you can do both. And one thing you said, it's fascinating and make it reminds me of um, when I travel, I love going to, you know, whatever historical places and, and feeling like, wow, Julius Caesar stood here and just think, just let it just open type of

• 22:47Speaker 00

  thing. And, and this person and that person, that person. And you know, you, you try not to, to yourself, at least to me, try not to say like, that's ridiculous. You don't feel like Julius Caesar right now. But um, but there's something happening there that you feel if you, if you let yourself feel type of thing. So when you, when you said that about letting them in, it, it kind of reminded me of um, of uh, when I first did it even younger, going to places and I'm, I'm just didn't even know what I was doing, but I'm thinking this type of thing. And uh, it's amazing actually what, what can happen if you actually kind of let them in or their energy in or whatever, especially where you knew they actually were versus if I'm sitting in my house saying, hey Julius, are you

• 23:30Speaker 00

  around here somewhere? Or something. So that's, that's amazing. Um, you know, they um, they say the fourth industrial revolution is about technology and certainly AI. But the word's going around that the fifth is really about humanity. And um, and you know, what's, what's going on now for you and what do you see ahead? AI is happening so fast that especially for entrepreneurs, um, it can be hard because not only your entrepreneur or founder is a tech expert, they might be an expert at what they're great at, but then to have an economically viable and, and socially impactful business too. It's hard because it's moving so fast and you may have the unbelievable technology

• 24:15Speaker 00

  and three days later you find out someone has beyond it already type of thing. So what do you see ahead for you to, to do what you want to do, what you want to achieve? Um, and what I, what I like, um, that you talk about unlocking their flow, people's flow. Talk, talk a little bit about all that. And I wish we had a feature film time here, but talk about that.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Sure. Like first of all, just around the AI piece, AI has been a co-creator with me. Like, you know, there are a lot of people who talk about, you know, resonance with AI where you're basically building a relationship or relationship, relational AI. And that's been a really important uh, shift for me in, in the last year. Like, one of the things is I am a world-class researcher, so I can just bring that into the realm of, of AI and interrogate and create with it. Um, so I create from a place of stream of consciousness. So if I want to create something, I'll speak it into existence and then I'll, you know, bring it into the AI and help, you know, help me be my editor if I need to be for something I'm, I'm writing or crafting because it's, it's so much slower. I'm

• 25:23Speaker 01

  just trying to try and type it like I used to do it. And you know, as an academic, that was actually how I'd love to do is stream of consciousness, but then that didn't fit into the box. So I actually saw that I'm, I'm not actually meant to be in the box, uh, is one of the things.

• 25:36Speaker 00

  There's no box.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  There is no box. Well, there can be a box, but you know, the point is to be able to experience the box so it can dissolve. Right? Um, so I think a lot of the work that I do is really about that dissolution, uh, you know, dissolving anything which is a distortion in the field. So you could start with something like unlocking flow. And this is a different way of looking at flow than is often kind of thought about. So some ways of looking at flow are much more action-driven where you, you take a set of actions and eventually you get into a flow state. Whereas this way is actually about the cellular experience of flow, where we're actually looking at, well, where does flow locate? What if we could actually just unlock it within your cellular system on a reliable basis?

• 26:19Speaker 01

  And then that's actually going to allow you to act from a space of flow as well. So it's going to, it's not that the other part is wrong. It's just that this is an in-between phase, which is at the source level of what is actually needed for you to do this without effort and cognitive effort. And so the process that I've helped designed is essentially one where we're looking to bypass the cognitive mind. It's intention-driven approach where we're using vocal resonance. So it's through my voice. And what happens is people close their eyes and they're setting an intention. And as they set that intention, they're looking at, well, what's in the way of that intention being fulfilled? And then the body shows them. And then my voice is then correlating with that. And so they will

• 27:01Speaker 01

  feel in their body where there may be spaces of tension, if there is. Sometimes people aren't in a space of tension, so it just creates more expansion in them essentially. But what will happen is it's going to deepen their level of self-connection, deepen their level of clarity. And we can use it in so many different ways. Like, last week was a challenging week dealing some family stuff. So I was just like, I need to use this for sleep. So I was used it, I popped it into sleep mode on this app that I've developed and I literally, like, alright, I had a seven mind activity and body tension. And at the end of it, it was like a two on mind activity and a three on body tension and I slept like a baby. So for me, that's, that's really that opportunity. Like,

• 27:45Speaker 01

  if every 15 minutes where I felt that lull, I could just drop into this new state. That's what I'm, I'm, I'm really providing as a kind of initial way forward for people, especially with CEOs who talk about like needing time freedom, I don't have time to do this and all that. It's like, okay, great. I understand that. So let's create an experience for you where you don't have to have that as an excuse for yourself and you can just collapse the time right here and now.

• 28:10Speaker 00

  Well, I, I must say, you know, I went through a session with you and um, um, and it was both deep and, deep and simple at the same time where it just gave me the, this will be too, too simplified obviously, but just gave me the opening to feel and to, to um, clarify and to simplify and to make the path that seemed just, you know, um, um, more open to, to, to move ahead type of thing. So, and I'm not an expert at, at vibrations. I love vibrations, but I'm an expert in vibrations, but you can, you can really feel the clarity, the clarity of it. And again, in my layman terms,

• 28:51Speaker 00

  I was taught about visualization years ago by a sports coach teacher on how to prepare for, for sports. But then he said, you know, you can use this to when you write your CPA exam and then prepare for sitting down and, and you've already been there before you've been there type of thing. So I'm sure they're all connected in a way because you're, you're, you're working with your mind, your body to, to, to move forward. So um, that's not my official testimonial, but it's part of it.

• 29:23Speaker 00

  So how do you, um, it kind of reminds me of hypnotism where they say you have to relax for it to work. Um, part of the, the thing I would think for you is, is people want to really believe, but, but it might be hard for them to loosen up, right?

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's natural. Like, that's why, you know, whatever state that they're in is perfect. Like, basically what's happening is the body is going to show you anything which is there. Sometimes people like their mind wants to keep playing um, the role, right? Because that's what it's used to doing. That's the protection. That's the safety that's there as well. I, I'm, I'm a mind-oriented person. I need my mind to get results. So they're going to rely on the mind. So my role is just basically to create the safety within their nervous system so that the mind is no longer present. And so it's this distilled point, like people in like quantum physics, you could call it like a unified field of consciousness. That's the point where the mind is no longer present. There's a stillness and from that stillness, then you can activate a future

• 30:20Speaker 01

  where people can create. Right? So if you're already great at visualization, this is that point where you can then, okay, let's activate what wants to show up in the field and you can just keep activating it. And we're working on two principles. One is if you just work at level of higher self in terms of visualizing, that's not going to be sufficient most of the time because you need a way to ground it so it can bring it into material reality. So I'm working on these different planes, like imagined sounds which essentially are coming from below the crust of the earth. People talk about grounding all the time. Well, the more you're grounded, the more you can receive. If you're up here in the stars, well, then it's a bit difficult to do that. So a lot of the spiritual people might be up here, but they're not grounded in the way that they need to be. Or there's only one of the dimensions. So we're looking to basically, I could ground you in this

• 31:05Speaker 01

  really, really deep way and then also amplify. So you're in this higher self space so that you can then create a, you know, a way of experiencing the vision. There's a version of you out in a, a field essentially, like a information field where you've already created what you wanted. So if we can tap into that, we can then bring you into now and to show you a pathway of how to collapse the time between those two states.

• 31:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think, I think it's brilliant. And this, this second to last question is, is a, it would be a whole new discussion on its own. But with everything happening in the world, um, you know, you're going to have people that are cynics, you're gonna, there always are. And you're going to have people, you know, who say, man, I wish I, I wish I could, I wish I could be that. I wish I could be in there and whatnot. And I don't even know how I can't. There's so much going on and I'm so, and then, you know, this, everything's going on in the world type of thing. And, and it's kind of a little bit, not exactly, when I trademark leaders who care, it's like, really? Leaders who care? You gotta be kidding. In business, we, we give enough time for that type of thing. It's soft skills. It's this, it's that, all these categories. How do you, how do you, it's overwhelming sometimes

• 32:13Speaker 00

  when you feel like, man, I gotta, we gotta change what's going on type of thing. One person at a time? Is that how you do it or what?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  For me personally, no. Like, that could be an aspect of it. For me, I look at, okay, if this is a technology which is highly effective across a huge number of people, how do we bring it to the masses? How do you create the opportunity for this to be experienced in as many spaces as possible? So for me, I look at, okay, what are the spaces that I'd like to be able to impact or believe that I can really make an impact in? So one is the transformation of politics. And I know that there aren't many people in the world who have both the background I do in law and politics, as well as the ability to shift frequency. So essentially, you're like, all right, what's needed, if you're someone who's trying to engage with someone who's a head of state or people in government, and you're feeling like you're, you know, it's falling

• 33:07Speaker 01

  on deaf ears, right? Like, you think, it doesn't matter how many different ways we try and tell, it doesn't matter how many different thought groups are coming in and saying, this is what you need to do, and yet the same result is happening. Why is that happening? Because the vibration from which the government is coming from is at a lower vibration most likely than you are. Or it could be you're both coming from scarcity, and that's why you're co-creating that more experience of scarcity. But what needs to happen is you need to be meeting at a frequency, which is at a higher level of consciousness, where problems are actually being solved, right? It's the same thing of the Einstein idea, right? Like, you're not going to solve the problems from the same level of thinking that they were created from. The problems were created from scarcity, we need to bring them up to an abundant peace-based thinking. If you can do that,

• 33:48Speaker 01

  then these solutions will naturally kind of coalesce, they'll start to come about. Because there are already people who have ways to create these solutions, and what we can do is just basically create that collective harmony when both kinds of, you know, entities, organizations are singing from the same hymn sheet. So that's, that's part of what I see I'm here to do. And then the other one is more of a general one in terms of, we're shifting in terms of how we see health and medicine. You know, what people have described to me, like, oh, you know, what you're doing is already part of the future of medicine. And I've done work with people around, like, restoring their gut health after 20 years of dealing with digestion issues in the space of 20 minutes to

• 34:28Speaker 01

  an hour, depending on, you know, what the depth of it is, right? And so it's really simple to do that. You're just recalibrating and looking at the history of the thing, almost like you were a doctor or a psychiatrist or any of these kinds of professions, and understanding what's going on in the body, which needs to be recalibrated, so you can create that. So there is a future that's getting created around that. But for me, a lot of what I see is, it's not about the one-to-one, it's about, like, you know, the platform I've been creating called Resonance OS is really, how do you transmit any challenge of the human condition? So that people could be their own guide, so that they could, and they could do it in as little time as needed, so that every day

• 35:09Speaker 01

  they could come back to the state of freedom. That's really the goal of what I'm out to accomplish, is to have people connect in at a level where they, you know, see their level of intelligence and wisdom beyond anything they've ever seen, so they can connect in with this state of freedom as their new default, and ongoingly co-create that, create that. So then the ripple effects of that will be shared throughout humanity.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a believer, that's just a good, that's a good monkey song, actually.

• 35:41Speaker 00

  But it's, it's, it's so, you know, like, one partner in Deloitte told me years ago, he said, brilliance is simple. It's kind of, kind of related. It's, you know, it's, it's there for our taking what you're talking about. And we just got to get beyond, beyond the titles, beyond the categories, beyond the scarcity, as you say, and all that, to get to the higher level and, and start, and start thinking of, of how can we find solutions, rather than all the things that prevent solutions, if you will, and whatnot. So it's fantastic what you're doing. And, you know, in LA, we say we've got to leave them wanting more so we can do a sequel, so we might have to

• 36:22Speaker 00

  do a sequel on this thing here. But I have one more question for you. With all the stuff we just talked about, especially since 2020, it's been something else. And I know, I know people feel like that the COVID was like yesterday and years ago, all at the same time. So with all that, we're almost at the end of 2025. What are you most grateful for? And also, what are you most hopeful for?

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Sure. There's a lot of things I'm really grateful for. Like, at the moment, I think it's just experiencing this pure joy on a daily basis, in whether it's in a conversation with you, Mark, whether it's getting to witness people as they're waking up to who they truly are, whether it's when my partner gets back from Paris and I get to give her a hug, whether it's the fact that, you know, I have these beautiful conversations with my parents, where they're not just my parents, they're also my friends. Like, they're, they're, all of these things are simple pleasures. Like, for me, there is a lot of simplicity in my life. I don't need a lot of complexity, and I kind of move away from complexity. And so that's kind of the essence of it for me.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  And hopeful?

• 37:27Speaker 01

  I think hopeful is not a word that I use, because I'm already an optimist. So coming from hope is kind of like, I almost feel like a limitation, because I look to come from more like trust and certainty. You know, like, what I'm creating is already done. Now I just have to actually walk the path to make that happen, essentially. So hope isn't really a word that comes into my vocabulary much anymore.

• 37:54Speaker 00

  That's cool. Well, I'm, in that sense, then, I'm grateful for, well, I'm grateful for having a new friend. That's, that's a new grateful. And, and that you are a, if you will, not to be cute, a leader who cares. And, and so I'm more than hopeful then, I'm trusting for the future.

• 38:13Speaker 00

  Might have to change my question.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Not at all, not at all.

• 38:17Speaker 00

  No, I'm kidding. You know, words are important, but they're not the whole thing. It's what's around it. So thank you for sharing. Thank you for what you do. Thanks for bringing on the, on the series, Leadership Care series.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Thanks so much for having me, Mark. It's been a pleasure.

• 38:35Speaker 02

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