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Monologue: Anthropic Lost $8bn In 2025, Was A Worse Business Than OpenAI

Better Offline

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This episode of Better Offline features host Ed Zitron examining the leaked financial conditions of Anthropic based on an S1 leak to Reuters. Zitron argues that Anthropic's financial state is far worse than previously claimed, noting that in 2025 the company lost over $8 billion on $4.6 billion in revenue while spending $2.75 to make every dollar. He compares these figures to OpenAI's 2025 audited numbers, contending that Anthropic is actually a worse and more toxic business. Furthermore, the episode criticizes tech boosters, misleading annualized run-rate figures, and the broader economic implications of AI infrastructure investments.

Throughout the monologue, the host breaks down specific line items from the leak, including compute costs totaling $7.33 billion for the year and a heavy reliance on a handful of top customers. Zitron explains why these metrics challenge the narrative that Anthropic is a sustainable or faster-to-profitability alternative to its competitors. Listeners gain a sharp, data-driven counter-perspective to prevailing media hype around artificial intelligence startup economics.

  • Anthropic lost over $8 billion in 2025 while generating $4.6 billion in revenue. 5:45
  • The company spent $2.75 in operating expenses to make a single dollar of revenue in 2025. 6:51
  • Anthropic's compute costs for the year reached $7.33 billion. 5:57

Chapters

  1. 0:00
    Podcast Intro and Advertisements

    The episode opens with a series of commercial spots and brief introductions before the host begins speaking.

  2. 5:07
    Host Introduction and Episode Context

    Ed Zitron introduces himself and explains the episode’s focus on Anthropic’s financial troubles.

  3. 6:45
    Comparison to OpenAI’s 2025 Performance

    The host compares Anthropic’s spending-to-revenue ratio with OpenAI’s, showing Anthropic was a worse business in 2025.

  4. 7:42
    Critique of Media and Investor Narratives

    Zitron attacks the narrative that Anthropic is becoming profitable, accusing media and investors of misinformation.

  5. 9:10
    Call for Transparency and Data Sharing

    The host urges listeners to provide the full S1 filing and promises to analyze it for clarity.

Highlights

Quotes

  • “Anthropic lost over $8 billion and $4.6 billion in revenue.”
    Unnamed speaker · 5:45
  • “In 2025, Anthropic spent $12.65 billion in operating expenses to make $4.6 billion of revenue, otherwise known as spending $2.75 to make a dollar.”
    Unnamed speaker · 6:45
  • “This, shockingly, means that Anthropic was a worse business than OpenAI in 2025, when it spent $34 billion to make $13.07 billion, per my own exclusive reporting of its audited financials, or about $2.60 to make a buck.”
    Unnamed speaker · 6:56
  • “Anthropic is not the future of technology, nor is it the next Google, nor is it the next Microsoft, nor is it, to quote Reuters, "capable of transforming the global economy more profoundly than industrialization, electricity, and the internet."”
    Unnamed speaker · 10:07
  • “I will protect your identity. I will do this document justice. It's time we had complete clarity into what this business truly looks like.”
    Unnamed speaker · 9:17
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About this episode

In this week's Better Offline, Ed Zitron walks through Anthropic’s 2025 financials, covering how it spent $2.75 to make a dollar, and how it was, at least last year, a worse business than OpenAI. Dead Money: https://www.wheresyoured.at/dead-money/ Anthropic story from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/anthropics-ipo-prospectus-shows-sweeping-ai-vision-surging-costs-2026-09-28/ Save $10 off a year of my premium newsletter: https://edzitronswheresyouredatghostio.outpost.pub/public/promo-subscription/gzqwkv54e1 YOU CAN NOW BUY BETTER OFFLINE MERCH! Go to https://cottonbureau.com/people/better-offline and use code FREE99 for free shipping on orders of $99 or more. --- LINKS: https://www.tinyurl.com/betterofflinelinks Newsletter: https://www.wheresyoured.at/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/ Discord: chat.wheresyoured.at https://discord.com/invite/QUUQUP9szv Ed's Socials: https://twitter.com/edzitron https://www.instagram.com/edzitron https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com https://www.threads.net/@edzitron Email Me: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Topics

  • Anthropic
  • OpenAI
  • Cursor
  • Odoo
  • JPMorgan Chase & Company
  • Meta
  • Rexulti
  • CoreWeave
  • GitHub Copilot
  • Bloomberg

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