Pod Insights Betrayal Love Is No Defense | EP 8 | Saskia's Story About this episode Advocates fight to change the law that protected Mike Levengood.
Content Warning for rape, sexual violation by an intimate partner, and nonconsensual intimate image distribution.
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2:07 Speaker 00 Earlier this season, we went through Saskia's divorce trial. We talked about all the hurdles that Saskia had to overcome, all the insults she had to endure just to end her marriage. But I want to go back to that trial for a second because there's one more moment you need to hear. It's the devil in the details.
2:28 Speaker 05 What's on the screen here is defendant's exhibit three.
2:34 Speaker 00 This is audio from the middle of the divorce trial during Mike's cross-examination. Saskia's attorney began by quoting Mike's initial divorce filing.
2:44 Speaker 05 Paragraph eight says, "All of these acts were consensual." And in paragraph 10, that "all of these allegations are false and defamatory and pose a serious threat to your good reputation." Do you recall making those statements?
2:59 Speaker 06 Yes.
3:00 Speaker 05 The statements about this being a betrayal and that all acts were consensual, those were false statements, correct?
3:11 Speaker 06 Those are not false statements.
3:13 Speaker 05 Well, we know that not all of the acts were consensual, right?
3:18 Speaker 06 I maintain they were consensual. Absolutely.
3:22 Speaker 00 Remember, by this point, Mike had already pled guilty to rape in criminal court. But here he was in the divorce trial, stating that all of his sexual encounters with Saskia were consensual. Saskia's attorney couldn't understand it. He pulled up the transcript from Mike's guilty plea.
3:42 Speaker 05 And in fact, you were asked in this guilty plea by Judge Cummings if you are pleading guilty because you are in fact guilty. Do you remember being asked that question?
3:50 Speaker 06 Uh, yes.
3:52 Speaker 05 And what was your response to that question?
3:55 Speaker 06 I pled guilty.
3:58 Speaker 05 Because you were guilty, right?
4:01 Speaker 06 That's... yes, yes.
4:06 Speaker 05 So I'm struggling with your previous testimony that all acts would be consensual, but you would be found guilty of rape. How is that?
4:15 Speaker 06 Well, I think, first of all, I think you would kind of bifurcate some of it, or have separate, parallel discussions with some of these different topics. There's one thing about the consensual use of pornography, the consensual acts of taking photographs and videos.
4:34 Speaker 07 Mr. Levin, good.
4:35 Speaker 00 The judge interrupted him.
4:37 Speaker 06 So I would say-
4:38 Speaker 07 I'm gonna cut you off.
4:38 Speaker 06 Okay.
4:40 Speaker 07 So you maintain that all acts, all acts between you and Ms. Enwood were consensual.
4:53 Speaker 07 Your plea agreement was that you were pleading guilty because you are in fact guilty of rape. They can't both be true, so the question is, which one is true?
5:20 Speaker 00 I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal, Season 5, Episode 8, Love Is No Defense.
5:30 Speaker 00 The judge allowed Mike a 15-minute break to talk with his attorney. When the court reconvened, Saskia's attorney asked him again.
5:38 Speaker 05 How can it be true that you pled guilty to rape of the defendant, but that all of the acts between you and the defendant were consensual?
5:50 Speaker 06 So I think that's an important point. So to try to explain better.
5:58 Speaker 06 So, based on discussions with my attorneys, and my understatement, they're explaining to me the statute of rape and the definition of rape, and specifically around the use of force.
6:12 Speaker 00 You'll remember that at the time, Maryland had a law on the books. It was legal to rape your wife if she was unconscious, unless force was used.
6:24 Speaker 06 My attorneys explained to me there's no specific amount of force that is required. That force becomes a very subjective thing.
6:35 Speaker 00 State prosecutors could only charge Mike with rape in the moments where they could argue he used force. But the examples of force that they identified weren't slam dunks.
6:47 Speaker 06 The state specifically says the force in these videos, as your honor will see, is force such as moving a leg while unconscious.
6:58 Speaker 00 By the time of his divorce trial, Mike had clearly learned a lot about the marital exemption to rape. And he was using it to distance himself from his own guilty plea. Mike told the divorce judge that the whole criminal case against him was based on a technicality. Under the law, the only thing he did wrong was move his wife's leg.
7:20 Speaker 06 So, I absolutely pled guilty to that act of moving her leg while she was unconscious, semi-conscious. I pled guilty to something that I did do, and that I recognize is the plea of second-degree rape. And I did that, and I admit to that. I think, from out of the criminal setting, right? In kind of a common, if you will, place, environment, I don't believe in my heart that I did that, that I raped her.
8:00 Speaker 00 Mike didn't believe in his heart that he raped Saskia.
8:06 Speaker 00 We're going to come back to him and let you in on what he's up to today in the next episode. But before we get to that, we need to talk about why Mike argued this, that raping his sleeping wife wasn't rape. And the reality is, the law said it wasn't. The state was able to prosecute Mike, but they knew it was on a technicality. That's why prosecutors only charged him with three counts of rape and one count of attempted rape, despite there being so many videos. And it's a big part of why they agreed to give Mike an 18-month plea deal. The law said what it said.
8:50 Speaker 00 It wasn't raping your wife if she was unconscious. So Mike got off easy.
8:56 Speaker 08 It's 100% a case that sticks with me because we weren't able to really accomplish full justice.
9:02 Speaker 00 That's Debbie Feinstein. She's chief of the Special Victims Division at the Montgomery County State's Attorney's Office in Maryland. She supervised the prosecutors on Mike's case. Back in 2018, when they were just beginning to build the case, Debbie knew.
9:20 Speaker 08 There were many, many, many more counts of rape that we could have charged him with.
9:25 Speaker 00 She watched those videos. She saw what Mike did to Saskia.
9:30 Speaker 08 She could not consent. She could not be amenable to what was happening, given the fact that she was physically helpless and mentally incapacitated. It's just, those two things cannot be true at the same time.
9:44 Speaker 00 And yet, in the eyes of the law, both things were true. Saskia was consenting, even though she was completely knocked out. According to the law in Maryland, she consented the day she signed her marriage certificate.
10:05 Speaker 00 The marital exemption to rape could be seen as a legal loophole. But that's not quite accurate because laws like this have been around for hundreds of years. They were built into the legal institution of marriage.
10:19 Speaker 09 It comes from the common law of England in the 1600s when women were chattel. They were possessions. So, once you married, the husband could do whatever he wanted to the wife because she was like a table, your horse, your teapot. That's chattel. That's property.
10:41 Speaker 00 That's Lori Ruth.
10:43 Speaker 09 I am the Public Policy Director at the Maryland Network Against Domestic Violence.
10:48 Speaker 00 It's a coalition that represents all the domestic violence service providers in the state. Lori has dedicated her career to helping survivors of intimate partner violence. For decades, she provided direct legal support, and today, she lobbies for bills in the state legislature. Lori first heard about Maryland's marital exemption around 2008. At the time, she was the legal director at a women's rights nonprofit. A call came through to her office. The woman on the other line was in the car.
11:23 Speaker 09 She was driving on the Baltimore Beltway, and she said, "My husband is drugging me and having sex with me and filming it."
11:32 Speaker 00 This woman, like Saskia, was incapacitated when her husband assaulted her.
11:38 Speaker 09 And I stood up from my desk. I said, "You have to pull over. Like, you can't be driving down the street telling me that story." And I said, "That is not allowed. That is illegal. It's a crime. He can't do that."
11:54 Speaker 00 But then Lori looked into it.
11:57 Speaker 09 Come to find out, they're married. Come to find out, here we are in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023. He probably was allowed to do that.
12:10 Speaker 00 According to the law, she hadn't been raped at all. Over the years, Lori never stopped thinking about that woman.
12:18 Speaker 09 You hear stories like that and you think, "Somebody needs to be focused on this for the betterment of our society and the citizens and the women and daughters and girls in the state of Maryland."
12:33 Speaker 00 But here's the thing. This law wasn't just affecting people in Maryland. In 2018, when Mike committed these crimes, marital exemption laws existed all over the country. In red states like Ohio, Michigan, Nevada, Mississippi, Oklahoma. And also in blue states like California, Rhode Island, and Minnesota. And all across the country, there have been people working to end these legal exemptions. People like Stefan Turkheimer.
13:06 Speaker 10 We want the law to respect individuals. We want the law to respect survivors' experience. We want the law to create the rules for how we want society to behave. And that's not this.
13:17 Speaker 00 Stefan leads the public policy team at RAIN, the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network. It's the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. Stefan's job is to look at laws around the country and see which laws need to be changed to protect survivors.
13:36 Speaker 10 I'm a lawyer, right? But sometimes when you read a law, you're like, "This can't be correct. Let me, let me go check. Let me see if this is actually being used."
13:44 Speaker 00 When he learned about marital exemption laws, that was his first reaction. Maybe these laws were relics of an older time, never actually enforced.
13:56 Speaker 10 But it turned out that that was not what was happening. Straight up, in Ohio, people that were being sexually assaulted by their husbands through drugs or other means... We're calling the police and the police were saying that's not a crime. That's what was happening.
14:09 Speaker 00 Stephens met women like Saskia all across the country. Women who could never get full justice for the crimes committed against them.
14:18 Speaker 10 The thing about a law like this, the black letter rule, is that it's not just like what cases can't go forward. It's that every single survivor can see this and be like, "The law doesn't recognize my experience. They say that I'm to blame, that I'm not worthy of protection."
14:32 Speaker 00 The more cases like Saskia's he heard about, the more angry he became.
14:38 Speaker 10 The key is to take that outrage that you have and bring it to people that can change the law and let them be outraged with you. These are people whose minds can be changed. These are people that want to change laws. That's why they got the job.
14:52 Speaker 00 And yet convincing these legislators is no simple task.
14:56 Speaker 10 Sometimes it takes a lot of people and a lot of effort to do something that should be easy.
15:02 Speaker 00 In Saskia's case, the prosecutors told us they felt like their hands were tied. Debbie Feinstein wanted to file more charges against Mike, but because of the marital exemption to rape, she couldn't.
15:15 Speaker 08 This case spoke volumes because it was exactly why this law didn't make sense. In this case, he got a substantially reduced sentence of incarceration, really because the meat and potatoes, the heart of the case, was taken out from under us because of the spousal defense to rape.
15:35 Speaker 00 For Debbie, having to charge Mike on a technicality was a sign of a larger problem. Even though Mike took the plea, she couldn't let this case go.
15:46 Speaker 08 The ones where we can't get to the full right outcome, they live within us, but they also drive advocacy, which is what happened in this case.
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19:30 Speaker 00 In the state of Maryland, people were working for years to overturn the marital rape exemption. But these kinds of laws, laws that have existed for hundreds of years, are difficult to overcome. To rally people to make a change, it often takes a case of massive injustice. Saski's case was exactly that. It was a case with overwhelming evidence, dozens of videos, which might stream to thousands of people. But he was only sentenced to 18 months. It's the kind of story that could get lawmakers' attention.
20:10 Speaker 00 Here's prosecutor Debbie Feinstein again.
20:13 Speaker 08 It is singularly the most impactful, effective way to approach advocacy in the legislature is to have a case where an individual, a human being, was impacted, and this case spoke volumes.
20:28 Speaker 00 So, in 2020, just after Mike went to jail, Debbie went to Annapolis. She worked with state lawmakers, legal advocates like Lori, and representatives from the Maryland Coalition Against Sexual Assault to present a bill in the Maryland Legislature, a bill that could overturn the marital exemption once and for all.
20:55 Speaker 00 We got a recording of that legislative session. A representative from Saskia's County introduced the bill.
21:02 Speaker 08 I'm Jellicoe Charlotte Quetsfield from Montgomery County, and I am honored to be able to testify today on House Bill 590, also known as "Love is No Defense to Sexual Crimes."
21:15 Speaker 00 Debbie testified at length, and even though Saskia wasn't there in person...
21:20 Speaker 08 Her case was the highlighted case that we brought to Annapolis.
21:25 Speaker 00 Here's Debbie testifying before lawmakers.
21:28 Speaker 08 In Montgomery County, we had a case within the last couple of years, and in that case, a spouse raped his wife repeatedly, actually on camera, while she was mentally incapacitated. And in that case, marriage was a complete defense to his rape of his wife.
21:48 Speaker 08 It's incredibly disturbing that we could not prosecute the individual for all of those counts of rape that he perpetrated on his wife. He ultimately ended up pleading guilty with a much-reduced sentence that really barely scratched the surface of the horrific offenses that, I will tell you because I watched those videos, the horrible nature of them that we were unable to prosecute.
22:11 Speaker 00 But even with the example of Saskia's story, the bill got a lot of pushback. Debbie and her colleagues were trying to eliminate marriage as a defense to all sex crimes. First, second, third, and fourth degree.
22:26 Speaker 08 So on the scheme of things, you know, we have rape, and then we have fourth degree sex offense, which is an unconsentitute touching, which could be a graze on the breast, a graze on the buttocks, or the genital area.
22:38 Speaker 00 Some legislators were concerned about what the bill would mean for those lower-tier offenses.
22:44 Speaker 13 What you're saying is, under this bill, the husband would have to get consent. That I couldn't roll over at night and just put my hand on a bikini area. I would have to say, "Excuse me. He's a little bit cold. He's just trying to spice it up a little bit." He rolls over. Now she can say, "I'm going to prosecute you for a fourth-degree sex offense."
23:01 Speaker 08 That was so disturbing to hear that come out of legislators' mouths.
23:06 Speaker 00 Lori Ruth, the public policy director you heard earlier, felt the same.
23:12 Speaker 09 You stare at them and you think, "What kind of marriage do you have that you actually think that's going to happen?"
23:19 Speaker 00 But lawmakers, like all of us, buy into myths about rape accusers. Some think that women are likely to bring false allegations and that they'll use those allegations to their advantage.
23:32 Speaker 09 The most common response we see is, "How can we be sure that she's telling the truth? How can we know that she's not lying?" Often followed by, "To get a leg up in a custody suit." That is a real barrier to getting bills passed.
23:52 Speaker 00 Representatives worried that this change would overwhelm the courts.
23:57 Speaker 14 The Office of the Public Defender says we're going to be swarmed with defendants if this law passes.
24:06 Speaker 00 Another advocate, Dorothy Lenig, spoke directly to those concerns.
24:11 Speaker 15 I actually find it kind of shocking that the Public Defender is going to argue that they would be swamped with cases. I find it shocking, kind of sad, if they're saying that, at this point, the only reason we're not protecting women who are accusing their husbands of sexually assaulting them is because of this law.
24:29 Speaker 00 But ultimately, these concerns were enough to kill the bill.
24:36 Speaker 00 To me, the fact that a bill like this could fail in 2020 doesn't make sense. The government wants people to get married. And yet, with this law, signing a marriage certificate means limiting your rights. As Debbie said to us.
24:54 Speaker 08 We're basically penalizing someone for being married.
24:58 Speaker 00 It defies logic. I asked Lori Ruth about this.
25:02 Speaker 09 I don't know that it has to do with logic. There is a deep, deeply seeded misogyny at play. Logic? I don't think so.
25:13 Speaker 00 It's also not a partisan issue.
25:16 Speaker 09 I think the rest of the country views us as being, quote unquote, "very liberal." But I think if you spend any time in Annapolis, you learn that it's not as simple as that. We have actually had legislators say this, like, "You women get one bill this year." Let's say we've got five that are about child support, domestic violence, something else. They'll say, "You get one."
25:41 Speaker 00 Stefan from Rain has seen these attitudes in other states, too.
25:46 Speaker 10 When you're presenting to an individual legislator on a bill, there are a few signs you can see about whether or not they're listening to and buying into what you're arguing. One of the main ones is whether or not they reference their granddaughter or their grandson. If they talk about their granddaughter, they're thinking about the survivor. If they reference their grandson, they're thinking about the offender.
26:15 Speaker 10 You hear that these people, they made a mistake, or whatever else, something shouldn't ruin their life, all this kind of other stuff, all things that are not backed up in stats or stories. But you still have to deal with them, because these are people that can stop your bill.
26:30 Speaker 00 And they do stop bills all the time, often before the bills can even get a full debate. The bills that do make it to the floor are put through the wringer. This is especially true when it's only people like Stefan, Lori, or Debbie testifying, when there are no survivors speaking on the bill's behalf. Here's Lori again.
26:51 Speaker 09 Sometimes the pushback to us is, well, I know you professionals are talking, but where are the people that this really happens to? Why didn't you bring anybody with you? Isn't there somebody who could speak about this? And you want to say, do you not understand? It's not that easy to stand up and talk about the most awful things that have happened in your life to a big roomful of people.
27:22 Speaker 00 Asking survivors to testify is no small thing. When the bill in Maryland was first introduced, Saskia was in the middle of her divorce proceedings with Mike.
27:33 Speaker 16 I was a shell of a person. At that point, I couldn't have gone through the steps of describing what had happened.
27:44 Speaker 00 No other survivors like Saskia came forward either. And yet, all of the experts we talked to for this episode agreed. So much of the time, it's survivor testimony that gets these bills over the line. Here's Stefan from Rain again.
28:01 Speaker 10 People don't really get motivated by stats, not really. They only get motivated by people and stories and how they make them feel. The story can make the person hearing it feel that they're a part of it. And when that happens, and then you get to the end of the story, the person receiving that story is left with something they can do.
28:22 Speaker 00 In Maryland, when the bill failed, advocates were disappointed. But they weren't ready to give up just yet. And survivors wouldn't stay quiet for long.
28:34 Speaker 17 This law treats spouses as objects, not people. This is your law, and this is rape.
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31:11 Speaker 00 In 2020 in Maryland, the bill to end the marital exemption failed. But Debbie Feinstein, the prosecutor in Montgomery County, couldn't forget about this law or about Saskia's case.
31:24 Speaker 08 It lit a huge fire under me, under my team, and we wanted to do whatever we could to change the law.
31:32 Speaker 00 So in 2021, she and other advocates brought the bill again. But again, it failed. The same legislators spoke up, determined to keep it from passing.
31:44 Speaker 13 Isn't the whole purpose of the marital exceptions that we don't end up in court talking about who said what in the marital bedroom?
31:55 Speaker 00 When the bill was brought for a third year, the same objections resurfaced. It seemed like the marital exemption might be the law of the land forever. But then came 2023. A lot was different about that year. New advocates brought new stories of why the law needed to be repealed.
32:16 Speaker 20 Because of the spousal defense, I was unable to prosecute this man for raping an unconscious woman.
32:23 Speaker 00 More men testified on behalf of the bill.
32:25 Speaker 21 We must break the cycle of violence and close this vicious loop.
32:31 Speaker 00 But there was one person's testimony that stood out among the rest. It was a survivor's story, from making the choice to omit her name for her privacy.
32:41 Speaker 17 My name is [bleep]. I'm a sexual assault survivor and a victim of this law. Less than a year ago, I was raped by my husband, and under the existing law, what he did was legal rape. I could not respond verbally or physically, completely incapacitated, and it constituted consent because I was married.
33:14 Speaker 17 I had photographic and video evidence of my assault. And instead of my proof being used to prosecute my rapist, it proved his innocence. Because this chamber made my rape legal. This law treats spouses as objects, not people. We are forced to satisfy sexual desires when we are deprived of strength and power. This is your law, and this is rape. You have an opportunity to correct this remnant of our past. And I'm charging each of you to do that.
33:58 Speaker 17 You've been entrusted with the power to protect your fellow citizens. And please, I implore you, make the right decision. Provide a path of healing and justice for all future victims like me. Thank you.
34:22 Speaker 00 This was the first time that a survivor of marital rape came before the legislature in support of this bill. Lori Ruth, the public policy advocate in Maryland, remembers her testimony well.
34:35 Speaker 09 Those legislators had to look her in the eye and hear an absolutely horrific story.
34:43 Speaker 00 Immediately, it was clear. The survivor's words broke through.
34:48 Speaker 21 I just want to say thank you. That's the most impactful testimony I've ever heard on this bill. I've heard this a lot, too many times. And so I just want to say thank you for your willingness to step forward.
35:01 Speaker 00 Hearing this exchange of a legislator thanking this survivor reminds me of something Stefan said earlier.
35:09 Speaker 10 The story can make the person hearing it feel that they're a part of it. And when that happens, and then you get to the end of the story, the person receiving that story is left with something they can do.
35:24 Speaker 00 After four years, in May of 2023, legislators voted to end Maryland's marital exemption. The bill passed the House and the Senate without a single no vote. Today, the law that allowed Mike Levin Good to get off easy no longer exists in Maryland. In the last five years, similar reforms have also passed in other states, including Ohio, Minnesota, California, Mississippi, and Rhode Island. But Stefan says the fight can't stop here.
35:59 Speaker 10 Are the laws progressing? Yes, the laws are progressing. Is the United States in a better state than it was five years ago? Yeah, it is. Is it a better state than 20 years ago? Yeah. Is it in a better shape than a lot of other countries? It absolutely is. Is it where it needs to be? No.
36:18 Speaker 00 Five states continue to treat marital rape as a lesser crime: Nevada, South Carolina, Virginia, Michigan, and Iowa. And still, in about half of the states in the U.S., rape continues to be defined in reference to physical force. Most of us don't know about these laws, or even think about them, until they affect us or someone we love. When Saskia first heard that the bill in Maryland had passed and that the marital exemption in her state had been overturned...
36:51 Speaker 16 I was like, finally. It makes me feel relieved that I went through all of that, not in vain, that there's something good that came out of it. But look how much damage has already been done.
37:06 Speaker 00 Changing the law doesn't change what Saskia lived through, and it's unlikely to change what Mike thinks. Saskia had only endured abuse. She endured this law, a law that told Mike that what he did wasn't rape. In the end, he may always believe he's innocent.
37:26 Speaker 06 I don't believe in my heart that I did that, that I raped her.
37:37 Speaker 00 On the next episode of Betrayal, we dive into where Mike is today.
37:44 Speaker 22 I couldn't imagine what it would be like for Saskia to first learn that her perpetrator is selling the experience that he gained from what he did to her. I just can't imagine.
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