Daisy May Cooper: Escaping My Toxic Mentor, Night Cleaning & The Truth Behind ‘This Country’

What if life's biggest setbacks are actually blessings in disguise? In this hilarious episode of Begin Again, comedian, actress and writer Daisy May Cooper joins Davina McCall to share the extraordinary journey behind her success, and the personal struggles that have shaped her life. Best known for creating the hit BBC comedy This Country with her brother Charlie Cooper, Daisy opens up about growing up with very little money, her difficult experience at drama school, and the years of rejection and self-doubt that nearly ended her career before it began. She also reflects on her parents’ unexpected separation, her changing relationship with her mum, and how family heartbreak has brought surprising opportunities for healing, growth and new beginnings. Davina and Daisy also explore their belief in the supernatural, experiences with psychics and spirituality, and why learning to trust your intuition can change your life. This is a beautiful conversation about resilience, family, trusting yourself, finding hope and believing that even when life falls apart, something wonderful might still be waiting. 🌟Like, comment and subscribe for more honest conversations about purpose, resilience, love, loss and beginning again. Follow us here: 📸www.instagram.com/beginagain 🎥https://www.tiktok.com/@beginagainpod ✨Sign up for the Begin Again newsletter for behind-the-scenes access, recommendations and much more: https://linkly.link/2g2xm Follow Daisy May Cooper here: https://www.instagram.com/daisymaycooper/ Buy ‘What Took You So Long’ by Daisy May Cooper here: https://linkly.link/2xcJV We'd love you to share your Get Busy Living stories with us at https://getbusyliving.beginagainshow.com/ (00:00) Intro (00:51) A Surprise For Daisy (02:47) Davina's Gift For Daisy (03:13) Daisy's New Book 'What Took You So Long' (06:15) Her Parents Divorce (09:39) A Letter From Daisy's Mum (14:19) Her Traumatic 3 Years At RADA Drama School (19:00) Starting Writing With Charlie (21:43) Monzo GBL Ad (24:07) Creating 'This Country' (33:00) The Reception To 'This Country' (35:08) Working With Her Brother & Dad (37:14) Monzo 90 Days Ad (40:26) Experiences With The Supernatural (45:11) Daisy Gives A Tarot Reading Sponsored by:Download Monzo. Monzo Current Accounts are for 16+ and UK residents. Ts&Cs Apply. Integrated accounting with Pro and Team business plans start from £9 a month. Only for UK sole traders or limited company directors. Ts&Cs apply. Join the 'Say Yes Club' and hear more about our events here - https://events.beginagainshow.com/ Sync ID: MB01HO7SB4JVOKK Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:33Speaker 03

  I can't wear this. It's the right color, but I'm a gooner. Oh, no.

• 1:40Speaker 03

  No, I know exactly who can wear this. Daisy Mae Cooper.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  We're all bracing ourselves because we are meeting Daisy Mae Cooper, and she is literally the funniest, most brilliant comedian. And she's funny on purpose. Sorry, I can't do that. Is it? Is it? Yes! There's the queen! Oh my god! She wrote and starred in this country with her brother. No, wait. She's written a brilliant book, which you've all got to read. It's absolutely amazing. Brace yourself, it's gonna be a lot. We've got a little surprise for you in here. The studio is around here, but it is not one of your exes, but you wish it was. Oh, the shepherd, my sweet! Oh, jeez.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  Isn't he bloody gorgeous? Oh, look! And he's so nice!

• 2:49Speaker 03

  I asked him for something, and he delivered.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  Please tell me it's a strict.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  Are you ready?

• 2:56Speaker 03

  I've let you down, Daisy. I've already let you down. Sadly, it's not.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Oh, look at you.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  Are you ready?

• 3:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:03Speaker 05

  Hello, Davina and Daisy Mae Cooper. Goodness me, two of my favorite women together, recording. I had dreams like this. Davina asked me to send you a message, Daisy, and essentially what I wanted to say was thank you for being just so effortlessly talented and gorgeous and hilarious and brilliant at all times. You have brought a fair bit of Daisy Mae chaos into my life on a number of occasions, which I'm very grateful for. And I have very, very fond memories of having bought your book for my mum for Christmas, I think it was last year, and sitting back with a sort of smug sense of anticipation as she read your dedication. And she was exceptionally proud, as was I.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  I think we all need a bit of Daisy Mae chaos in our lives. You are a gorgeous, wonderful, talented human being. Carry on being amazing. Lots of love.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  Oh, god.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  I'm gonna send that to you so you can watch it all the time.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  I definitely will be doing that. My god!

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Isn't he just a genuinely good man?

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Just a lovely, he's just like a really lovely dog that you get from the Dogs Trust, who's...

• 4:12Speaker 03

  Yes, a golden doodle.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  Oh, yes!

• 4:16Speaker 03

  I've also got you another present.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Oh, jesus!

• 4:19Speaker 03

  No, but wait, this is...

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Oh, my god!

• 4:21Speaker 03

  This is for you.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  You are...

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Just so you...

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yes!

• 4:25Speaker 03

  Just so you don't forget me. Just gonna show you that. Yeah.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  Oh, I love it!

• 4:29Speaker 03

  So that's for you as well. I mean, I've never gifted this many presents to anybody, ever.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  I just love it!

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Hello!

• 4:37Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  I'm so happy.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  Thank you for having me.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Can I, first of all, I want to kick off by just saying, I got this book quite late, so I've read, like, maybe up to there.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  Please.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  But can I just say, this is really, really amazing. It's your first book of fiction, right?

• 4:56Speaker 04

  Yes, my first sort of novel.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  It's an absolute, you have to devour it.

• 5:02Speaker 04

  Oh, that's so lovely!

• 5:04Speaker 03

  It's so addictive.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  I get, do you know what? I gave a copy of that to my mum, and she's still not, she's still not got past the third page, and I've written a dedication in it to her as well.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  I couldn't stop. I mean, I was really annoyed when I had to stop.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  Oh, that's so lovely!

• 5:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. For mum, these last few years have been our darkest, but fuck me, haven't we grown?

• 5:25Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 5:28Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 5:29Speaker 03

  There's nothing more Daisy Mae Cooper than that. But this is mega. I'm gonna hold it up one more time.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Darling, thank you so much.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  Hang on, let me do the proper...

• 5:39Speaker 03

  And is it nerve-wracking, writing a book?

• 5:41Speaker 04

  Oh...

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Of fiction in particular, I think?

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Abs, definitely. And it's, and the worst thing is, having to write something on your own without having, because I, you know, write, without having to write with my brother or Celine, who I write, am I being unreasonable with, I just will procrastinate the whole time.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  How do you, how do you make yourself do it? Or do you keep sitting down going, oh, just, I'll just get on the phone?

• 6:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh, that's what it is.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Oh, the kids, I've got to do this.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, all the time. Or I'll just, I'll just watch that last bit of, you know, Married at First Sight, or I would rather do a tax return than do, than read, than write the book. But then, something will come, and then it's like you just can't stop me.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  So is that quite difficult, because you're thinking, when's the thing gonna come?

• 6:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  You don't know.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  You don't fucking know. Sometimes I've had to really force myself to write.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  Oh, that's horrible, isn't it?

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Awful!

• 6:34Speaker 03

  Where's the joy in that?

• 6:35Speaker 04

  But like, Stephen King says that he will like, sit down at his desk, and he forces his muse to kind of turn up, like, he's got to be there at half nine, whereas I can't...

• 6:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  My muse will just, he's not there, he's ghosted me. You know, it's like, I don't know how somebody can, what will happen then, is I'll probably write a load of shit, but funny enough, it's in the writing of the shit.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  Where I'll go, fucking hell, that shit. So I'll go back and rewrite that, and then I'll think, actually, I've written better than the shit that I was writing. If that makes any sense.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Yes, well, it's like, you've just, you've written something.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  That I can improve on, or... But I think with art, art is such an interesting thing, because we always assume that writing or music or painting or anything pours out of people, but when it becomes your job, it's a different thing. It's like...

• 7:29Speaker 04

  And to book, because you get paid upfront for it. Do you get what I mean? That's the worst thing.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:34Speaker 04

  Don't pay me, because I won't write it.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  I've got the money. Brilliant. But this, I don't know how you...

• 7:42Speaker 04

  You're so...

• 7:43Speaker 03

  How you did it. It's amazing.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  I took a lot of inspiration, my mum, my dad left my mum a couple of years ago, which was a bit, I mean, I love my dad so much, but it was a big shock for all of us, and I suppose, you know, we'd been this sort of weird kind of family unit, trying to get this country made, and it's like, in such a bizarre, we were like the, you know, Charlie Bucket's family, living in this tiny house. So then, when he was like, I'm not happy anymore, was the success of the show, because obviously we cast my dad in it as well.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  It's like, has that been the, the cause of like, the breakdown of my parents' marriage? We always wanted this to happen, but at what cost, you know?

• 8:27Speaker 03

  What is interesting, often about kids, and it doesn't really matter how old you are, that if your parents split up, you think, was it me? And I'm sure you have talked it through with Charlie, but it can't be. It's his decision.

• 8:41Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. And it's also that thing, I suppose, that now there's money, that means there's more choices, and I think with, when you're, when you're skinned, there's just no choice, you just have to fucking get on with it.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:54Speaker 04

  And we do, you know, it's not like he could have moved out at that time.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  She's...

• 9:00Speaker 03

  How's she thinking?

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Taking it really hard.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I bet. I mean, I think you're quite right about the financial aspect of it.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  Where often people stay together because they can't afford to get divorced. But that's really sad, isn't it? That you are stopping yourself from going to live your life. But I think it's also harder for kids when their parents divorce when they're much older.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  It's like, what, we've got this far, and now you're doing it? I think sometimes if you're gonna get divorced, people think it's either gonna happen when the kids are really young.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Or when they're 18, and they've left home, and it's like, right, okay, now we can get divorced.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  But actually, when you're in your 30s or 40s, it's like, why? What's the point?

• 9:43Speaker 04

  Oh, exactly! What are you doing?

• 9:45Speaker 03

  It's very hard.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  But yeah, it's been, it's been mad, and it's been, it's been weird for mine and my mum's relationship, because she's, she's moved into the annex, so it's like moving back in.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's so weird, the dynamic...

• 9:59Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  Between a parent and a child when you're living together, because you do go back to playing the same roles.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  Yeah!

• 10:06Speaker 03

  It's confusing.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  It is confusing!

• 10:08Speaker 03

  It's confusing, yeah.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  It's so confusing. Yeah, I've seen a side of my mum that I don't think I ever would, would have had this not happened. A really vulnerable side.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  Quite nice to see that.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is, actually. It is. But weird, but really weird.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  But I bet she's so unbelievably grateful to have you.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  Oh, no, she's, yeah, she's...

• 10:32Speaker 03

  Even if it's hard sometimes, she must be so happy.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  She has been. No, she's been amazing, and it's been so lovely. It's been such a shock for her, and I think it was because it was like, first of all, having to deal with, you know, empty nest syndrome. She had already written like, what the rest of her life was gonna look like, which was, you know, we're gonna get a camp, they bought a camper van, they were gonna go around Europe in it, and, you know, maybe get another dog, and go to sort of long weekends in Cornwall. And then that's gone, and it's like, what do I do now?

• 11:08Speaker 03

  I was so busy giving you all your gifts earlier, and we also wanted to gift you this. Open it, and would you read it?

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness. Dear Daisy, this is my chance to say... Who's this from?

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Your mum.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Oh, my god. This is my chance to say thank you for everything you and Charlie have done for me, particularly in the last couple of years. I was facing my biggest challenge and you both knew how afraid I was of being alone. You've been by my side every step of the way, being my emotional support, my financial fairy, godparents and life coaches.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  You make sure I never have to worry about anything. I don't know how I would have survived it without you. Oh my God. I have two incredible kids who are happy and successful. I have amazing grandchildren that keep me busy. I have people come up and tell me how much they love my kids and how brilliant they are. Every day I wake up happy and I'm so grateful for the wonderful life I have because of you.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  All my dreams for you came true. Thank you for being inspiring, hilarious. Oh God.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  You deserve.

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Oh my God.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  I'm really pleased.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  She's, oh my God. You know, we used to watch Big Brother together because it was our favourite programme. And she used to say, well, you're, you're going to have to go on it if you want to meet Tivian.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  Your mum, that sounds so lovely.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  I can't believe you, you got her to do this. That's amazing. Thank you so much.

• 12:46Speaker 03

  So Devla Mescal.

• 12:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Paul Mescal's mum. She has written a book called Finding Joy. And she said that when she got married and had kids, she put herself away and she folded herself up and she became a mum and she looked after her kids. She stayed with her husband, but she didn't know who she was. She lost herself. And she talks, she talks about unfolding the envelope and literally finding herself. I'm going to give it to you to give to your mum.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  She, that is so lovely.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. And her words are so meaningful and deep.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  They will speak to your mum.

• 13:26Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm sure they will.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  It's about finding the joy in tiny little things. I mean, let's talk about what it was like growing up with your parents. What were they like when you were little?

• 13:34Speaker 04

  I love my dad dearly, but he's like the biggest narcissist I've ever met in my life. Wouldn't read us a bedtime story, would play his guitar to us to go to sleep because he was in a band when he was a teenager. You know, people laugh at the character Martin Muckler, this country, but I was like about the bit when Oasis writes Wonderwall on a BM, all that kind of stuff. It's like, that's based, based on him.

• 13:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Mum lost her sister when her sister was 30 died.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 14:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, drink driving.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 14:05Speaker 04

  I mean, just so, and I don't, and I think my mum never kind, never really recovered from that. So there was like, there was a sort of darkness. I don't know. It was, we were an amazing family. It was so much humour, but there was a humour to get over the dark shit that was going on.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  Did it bring you and Charlie closer together?

• 14:26Speaker 04

  Oh, definitely, I think, because that's what you, you know, with siblings, I mean, I don't know whether you found this, but it's like you will share a sense of humour with your sibling that nobody else will ever get because you were raised in that same household. So it was that. And I think it was especially after going to London, going to, doing the drama school thing, him going to uni, all of our peers were doing so much better than us. And then it was just, he was my, the only person I had that was sort of.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  Got you.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  There is something so beautiful when you can talk to somebody and you might behave in a way and he'll know exactly why you've done that.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  Because he just knows your DNA.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  It's really nice that.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  Oh God.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  It's very precious.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  It's so precious. Who's that for you?

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's why she's here. Like she gets me.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Do you have bizarre?

• 15:26Speaker 03

  Wait, she'd love this.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  Oh, would she?

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Love you.

• 15:29Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  She loved what I did for a living. She was so excited about it.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  And do you think that you found her in your partner, Michael, the elements of her?

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Yes, I mean, he takes the piss out of me in a really nice way. I find it so liberating. He frees me in a brilliant way. But let's just talk about you going to RADA because that's mega. So when did you decide you wanted to go into that?

• 15:56Speaker 04

  I'd always wanted to go there, but it was the dream, wasn't it? And I, and I suppose.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  The biggest.

• 16:01Speaker 04

  That was the ticket out of here. But you know, it's like, I'm sure, I don't know if you felt this when you were younger. It's like, well, if I get famous, then that will fix everything and you know.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  That's exactly what I thought.

• 16:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it doesn't.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a bit funny that you get there and you go, oh.

• 16:21Speaker 03

  But tell me about the process of getting into RADA.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  I just got like to the second round, I think the first time, and then got in, which I couldn't believe. We just thought, that's it, everything is going to be fixed. This is going to be.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  And it was quite difficult?

• 16:35Speaker 04

  And it was fucking horrendous.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  I mean, so mad.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  I think worst experience of my life.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  But you were there for what, how long, three years?

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Three years.

• 16:43Speaker 03

  It's a long time.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  It's a really long time.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  To not enjoy something.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  To be miserable and frightened all the time.

• 16:48Speaker 03

  Why?

• 16:49Speaker 04

  Because there was tyrannical teachers who, I mean, there's a video actually that's still on YouTube of one of this teacher who's not there anymore, who did these acting exercises. And it was like, think Miranda Priestly, Devil Wears Prada. You'd have to do this acting exercise while the rest of you watched with her. And if you fucked up, it was just the worst because it was, you'd just be humiliated. And then, I can't explain, it was like a sort of bullying. It was like, and if it wasn't you and it was somebody else, you'd think, well, at least it's not me. But it was, felt like a really unsafe space.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Basically, if you were getting bullied, other people in the class would be going, thank God that's CP.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  It wasn't like, oh, poor thing. You'd just be so terrified for yourself. You'd be thinking, please don't let that.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  Please don't let it be me.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  I mean, that's horrible. That's not bringing.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  Horrible.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  That's not connecting your class. It's causing rifts.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  A horrible competitive environment, but walking on eggshells, never know what fucking mood she's going to be in when she comes in. I remember there was one day that we were doing a play and one of the, one of the guys, one of the actors was so desperate to impress her and then the play, he had to smoke. So one morning he was outside having a cigarette and she had come in and he said, look, I'm, I'm trying, I'm trying to get method to be into it, into the thing, which obviously was the wrong thing. He made a mistake. You just say, look, that's not really the way to do it. I see what you're doing. We know, we don't want you to get lung cancer. And she waited until it was the lesson.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  And then stood up, gave this whole thing and humiliated him. And like, I remember she took me out for dinner, which is just so inappropriate. I was like eight, 18, 19. I mean, maybe, but I'll be my 20, I can't remember, but she, she kept buying me glasses of red wine, got me pissed. Then the next day was like, you've got a hang, you've got a hangover. Where were you last night? And I'm thinking, makes me angry.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, what I'm interested in is that you stayed.

• 19:00Speaker 04

  I didn't feel like I had a choice because it was like.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  It's such a good place.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it's the only way to get an agent, which, well, I thought, but there was times I remember I said to my, I mean, I had the administrator, when I did say that I wanted to leave, the administrator called me in and my mum into the office and said, if you leave now, I will personally phone up every single agent in the UK and tell them how unprofessional you are. And obviously it was just a threat, but me and my mum, you know, we were so poor at the time, we just totally believed, I mean, that's like an abusive relationship, that's what sort of is.

• 19:35Speaker 03

  It is an abusive relationship.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  Is it? And I don't understand, you know, at the end of the day, acting is just pretend, right? Like, why are we making it such a miserable, stressful environment? It was funny, as we were driving up here, reminded me of coming up, I would just be feeling sick. I would be like, oh, please let me just get in a fucking car accident on the way, just so that I don't have to, there's a legitimate excuse for why I don't have to go in. You know, I'm paying for this, a student loan I'm paying for.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  But you know what is funny? I feel like for you and for me, that kind of thing is like, if somebody tells me I can do something, I'm less likely to believe that I can do it. But if someone tells me I can't do something, I'm like, I'm gonna show you.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  I totally get that. That is so weird. That is so funny.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  You finished, right, which is amazing. And you lived with Charlie?

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  You decided that you were gonna write sketches together, because you were so, like, you had such an amazing energy and together, you know, you were bouncing off each other. And like you said, that kind of, you just know each other.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  And that was going well. But that's quite a brave thing to do, because normally people are just like, I'm gonna get an agent, I just wanna play a part that someone else has written. But you start writing.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  But that was, that was only because I wasn't getting anything else.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. No one else is gonna write anything for me. I may as well write something for myself. Was it really?

• 21:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was. Because I was going up for loads. I, I remember going up for Call the Midwife. And they like rang my agent, and they were like, she didn't even know her lines. I was so terrified coming out of RADA. Any sort of audition setup, I was just, I just, I was absolutely just go to fucking shit. But I couldn't get anything. And I was so, so it's the only thing that we could do was.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Can I say something? I just want to like point out what a brilliant, brilliant life lesson this is for people. Because I think we all look at you, you're Daisy Mae Cooper, like you are, you are famous, you've made it, you've written things, you're a brilliant actor, you're hilariously funny. Do you know what I mean? You've written a book, like you're so multi-tal- Yeah, but look at what, what you went through to get here. And I think often people don't, they don't see that.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  No, and there will be somebody watching this, who fucking is this close to giving up. You have to, you have to go for it. You really have to.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  And don't give up.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  But there are people, and that's what is so sad, is that, you know, there could have been like, you know, 10 other divinas or 10 other naysies who didn't fucking end up making it, because, because somebody told them no, and they said, oh, okay, I, I believe you then.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. Can I just say something? I know exactly what you're trying to say. Yes, because you're saying to somebody, you might be thinking, I'm not good enough, but you are.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  You are.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  It's, this sounds really stupid, but words are so important. And what you say to yourself, and what you believe in, like, is everything.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  The words that you say to yourself is what we now call manifesting.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  But it's only that if you say it to yourself, you start picturing a life where you might be that thing you want to be.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  And then you're on a path somewhere. That's what manifesting is. It's telling yourself you can do something. The minute you tell yourself you can't do something, that path ends. So your story is incredibly inspiring to anybody out there who wants to do something and doesn't, and keeps getting, like, hitting a brick wall. What's one thing you'd love to be able to say you've done? Well, Monzo sponsoring Begin Again, and they're gonna help us win back some time so that we can do more of what we love, like, finally doing that thing. I wanted to know what that thing was for you. This one is from Michelle, who's always wanted to say yes to more adventures. Yes, Michelle. This year, she decided to kayak over the highest canal aqueduct in the world.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  I bet that's absolutely stunning. Thank you, Michelle. Our next one, Mary Beth said she'd really like to try ghost hunting. No way? Let me know how that goes. Rajni has always wanted to be able to do handstands. Yes, me too. I'm actually getting quite good now. I can stay upright for like four or five seconds now. Practice, practice, practice. Karen has been wanting to learn to sew, because she wants to create her own clothes. That must be so satisfying to wear something that you have made. I look forward to seeing some of your creations on a catwalk soon.

• 24:20Speaker 03

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• 25:47Speaker 04

  If there's a door that closes, I will think that was meant to close for a reason.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna keep knocking at this door. I'm gonna look past the door, because there's another path that I have to find. Bizarre things happen, like people come into your life at just the right time. You say, oh, by the way, I've got this, you know, idea.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Your eyes open.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  Exactly that. It's really strange. But yes, it's, it's now when things don't go right for me, like, for example, I auditioned for Cats, you know, the musical, the film.

• 26:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  And I didn't get it. And I'm thrilled, because it was shit.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, it's, but it's funny, isn't it? I think you, you two writing together, how did that become this country?

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Right, so that, again, this is an ama- this is an amazing example of the universe in action, right? So I'm at RADA, Charlie is doing a sports science degree, and he doesn't pass the test. That was what, why he got kicked out. I think he didn't.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, in order to go on to the next year, you've got to.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Exactly. He was living on the floor at mine, on like a little camp bed, and he was working at Topshop in Oxford Street. And he would come back and start talking about this guy that he worked with, who was just, I mean, we'd just talk about how much he loved to eat an owl.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  And he was like, it's gotta be better than this.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Are you serious?

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Absolutely serious.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Just imagine that, eight hours a day, yapping onto it at the tills, but above hippo, weirdly, which I would think would be way more delicious.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  You start thinking about this country, you know, you went from writing sketches together to kind of getting something more meaty. How did you get there?

• 27:49Speaker 04

  We were really homesick, first of all.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Were you?

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. So she'd send up the local paper, and we'd know everybody in, in the court section. It'd be like, oh, Darren's got arrested again.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that is so brilliant.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  It's just so funny.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  And also really like home.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  Oh, isn't it? And it's like, there's nothing like home, because you know everybody, everybody knows you, and we missed it so much. And we would do impressions of people from home to each other. And it was like, he would be the only person, because we were just so homesick. And then when we moved back, we worked at those night cleaners, because we were just, it was the only job really going. And I think we were so ashamed to do anything in the day, like any sort of retail thing, for somebody to come in and go, oh, I thought you were gonna be at uni and you were at drama school. Now what? You're working at.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? It was that, you're stacking shelves now. Not that that's a, but I just think that we were just so aware that everybody had an expectation of what we were supposed to go on and do, so that we would just talk about it the whole time while we were going around cleaning this office building at night. Then we wrote down, I think it must have been like 10 pages, and we were so bored one Sunday, that we just got a camera and just filmed us, you know, dicking about as Carrie and Curtain. And then I sent it to like every production company that I could find in the UK, all on the same email. So it was like 150 production companies.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  Who got back to you?

• 29:30Speaker 04

  Avalon.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  They were a big comedy.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Big comedy thing.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Vehicle, weren't they?

• 29:36Speaker 04

  There was a woman that worked there. We went in for a meeting. She said, come in and have a meeting, which was like, oh, my God, this is the most amazing thing to ever happen. We went up to London on the National Express. This is not an exaggeration. My sandals were falling apart. I had to gaffa tape them together just to walk around London. It was, it was so bad. And all we had is just the money, just enough money to get there, to get the tube there and back. She was so mean in the meeting, and she said to me, you shouldn't be playing Carrie. I don't think you're good enough to play Carrie. And she also said that it should be more like Lee Max not going out. And I love Lee Max not going out, but it certainly is not that.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  And this is what I'm saying, people, is had I listened, had we listened?

• 30:28Speaker 03

  I mean, I think this is really big. Because people go to people with their ideas all the time. And the person you visit with your idea will be somebody big, a big name. And they will say, you shouldn't be doing this, you should. That's just their opinion. It doesn't mean they're right.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  No.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  And only you know your art.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly that.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Left Avalon and you were like, no.

• 30:52Speaker 04

  We came out of there just feeling sick. I remember we came out of there, we're feeling. And you get into, you get into like the reception area and there's these like great big pictures of like Harry Hill on the wall and.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  God.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  And they looked like they were looking down on us laughing like, you'll never make it in this industry. It was. And we just kind of walked and we said, what, what do we do? I mean, I don't know what, what we do now. Like, where do we go from here? And we just felt so lost. And it's like all these things that could have been something and. You know, we always say, like, you think of Harry Potter, like, had J K Rowling given up on the forty fifth time she sent the book out when she got a no. I think what helped us more than anything was that there was no plan B. So it was like, we, we could just throw fucking everything at this. And had I been working, I don't know, in a, like a.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  You'd have thought, I've got this.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, with a mortgage or I probably wouldn't have gone for it. So we had to be at that kind of rock bottom with everything else to, to be able to gamble like that, I suppose.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Where did you go next?

• 32:04Speaker 04

  We went to, or we were, we've got a reach out from another production company. And that was another very similar situation where basically we were stuck with that production company for seven years. Writing something that just wasn't right, wasn't our sense of humour at all. ITV had given us a, had given us a pilot.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Um, on the back of this, like, these little YouTube videos, basically me and Charlie had done. And then. Once they saw the pilot that we made, it was so awful. They were like, no, just fight. So that's when. We got dropped by the production company and we got dropped by ITV. And I remember getting that phone call. And Charlie just said, it was like oats in the, when he goes to the Antarctic, South Pole, Antarctic, wherever it is he went. But he said, I'm gonna go out for a bit. And I remember he's gonna do something stupid to himself. Because it was like, the, like it.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  The last.

• 33:04Speaker 04

  The last draw. And it had been so many years and we sacrificed everything for this. And Charlie, we rang up our agent at the time who said, you know, you've signed a contract, so you can't take this idea to anyone else. Because if you do, you have to pay for the rights, which they have bought for like something like five hundred quid. They bought the rights off of us. It was such a bad deal. So you'd have to buy them back and it would be three hundred grand. And we're just like, you know, we haven't got a pot to piss in. We can barely afford to buy tobacco, you know, just to have a rolly that day. And I can't explain it. It was something I just.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  It's happened very few times in my life. And I wonder whether you've had this, where it feels like this divine. Connection, this kind of spiritual. I just knew that everything was gonna be okay.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  And all I had to do, just go straight to the TV, to go to the commissioner of the BBC. And I said, I will, I just. Found out his email and I sent him the clips and I sent him some scripts, the original script that we'd done. And I said, I will stand outside your office. Please come and talk to me. He emailed back that night and said, come in for a meeting. And bizarrely. We, we went in for a meeting and the person that had just been in a meeting before us was Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who was selling Fleabag. So Fleabag and this country got commissioned within the same hour.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  And he turned around, we said, we've got all this debt. And he said, don't worry about it. We'll pay for it. We'll sort it. Don't, we'll. We could, we could have just gone, three hundred grand, that's it. We can't even have, carry, we can't even have our own, we'd have to buy our own characters back.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  I think it is really inspiring because the first person I'm gonna call after this, well, tonight, because she lives in Australia, is my middle child.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 34:55Speaker 03

  She's had a brilliant idea.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  And I think it's an amazing idea. And she sold a couple of people and they're like, well, we think you should do it like this. And she said, I don't wanna do it like this. I wanna do it like.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  You have inspired me. I'm gonna tell her she can do it.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  This conversation and I'm gonna make her watch this.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  How amazing is it that we have these platforms now, like TikTok and YouTube and we're able, like, what would you have given for something like that back in those days? When it was literally like, you know, cast, like these open castings and you'd have to stand in a line, like, take that away. Just let the people. Share, you know, share it with the people, yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  You go to the BBC. What I love is that that first series, um, was so. People were like, what? Like, either, either you were like, this is the greatest thing I have ever seen in my whole life and you totally get it. Or they're like, is this a documentary? Like, what is this? Um, and it was really interesting.

• 35:56Speaker 04

  Oh my god. And then people were saying, how dare the BBC take advantage of these two young people? And we're like, people aren't gonna realise it's a comedy or that it's, yeah, they don't get it. And we've missed the mark. And I remember feeling that again, as another.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Was it like second ep, they got it?

• 36:16Speaker 04

  I think it was the, yeah, the Big Mandy episode.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  People just started. Then people were starting to.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  And then the people that didn't get it looked silly because there were people that were getting it going, why don't you get it?

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Like, yeah, I mean, all day, just, you know, they just still didn't find it funny. But it was, we found our people, basically, by that second.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  Oh my god, you really did.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  That moment was electric.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 04

  And Charlie, the first time he got recognised, he'd gone out fishing and caught threadworms. This is so disgusting. Because you sometimes get them when you go out fishing.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  Really?

• 36:51Speaker 04

  Cut fishing. And he'd gone to Boots, to the pharmacist, to get some fucking worming tablets. And the pharmacist says, oh my god, I love your show. And then he said, I'd shake your hand, but I know what you're gonna get for what tablets you want. And Charlie was overjoyed but humiliated at the same, same time.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  This is a problem with being famous.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  Oh, yes.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Right? Like, you can't do embarrassing, ordinary things.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  Oh, god.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Like, that is a great story.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  That is a great, yeah.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, please don't recognise me. And if you do, just pretend you don't, like, I just need to get these threadworm tablets. Let me just, let me just be.

• 37:33Speaker 04

  It's so sad. So sad.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  So once, so once, basically, you'd, you'd got this country and your, your dad was in it. I mean, it's quite a mad thing to do something with your brother and your dad. I mean, how was your mum about that? Did she feel left out? It's quite a funny thing.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  No, mum doesn't, mum hates any sort of.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  Attention.

• 37:57Speaker 04

  Attention at all, which is quite, I quite like that.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  I'm making her illustrate this kid's book that I'm doing, but she's amazing.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Wait, can I just talk to you about that? Because she's never really done that before, right?

• 38:09Speaker 04

  She, she used to do like.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  Do art?

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  But she's never illustrated a book?

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Never illustrated a book, no.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  But she's loving it.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  But loving it, but again, the universe, right? This would never have come around had she still been with my dad. Because she would never, she would say, no, no, no, that's not, this is not for me. So it was through doing this book, basically about me and my mum.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  That I got the kid's book from this as well. That I said, you have to illustrate it. And she said, no, I can't. And I remember saying to my literary agent, he said, I've got to be honest, like, they do get quite funny. About the illustrations. So I don't want you to take it personally if they say no to your mum. Sent the stuff across and the publishers were like, this is it. This is so unique and it's got its own style and it's. Like a sort of Tony Ross way who did, you know, I need my potty little princess stuff. And I had another, again, so she's found this, this career. This thing that's just passion that she loves that would never, ever have happened.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  It's like, if somebody had told, I mean, it's like with you and Michael, somebody had told you ten years. You won't see a sidekick and you would have gone, absolutely, we'll never have that together. That's insane. You'd probably ask for a refund because you'd think, that is the most maddest psychic reading I've ever had. They couldn't have got it more wrong. But, but it knows what's best in a weird way, whatever it is.

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• 41:49Speaker 03

  There's a thing about knowing, because I think we all have a knowing. When you said, "I just knew it was going to work out," but lots of us argue with that voice in ourselves and go, "No, it's not." But there's somewhere in you that you know.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Have you ever heard of someone called Ram Dass?

• 42:15Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  He's like, he was a businessman and he decided he had everything, but he had nothing. And he went off to an ashram type thing and he got himself a guru and he's dead now, Ram Dass, but he does these beautiful meditations and one of them's called "Sit Around the Fire." And in it, he says, "Everything you don't need, you can let go of. You can let go of loneliness, or you'd never be able to be alone." And then he said, "You can let go of greed, because you already have it all." And then he said, "You can let go of doubt, because you already know." And when he said that,

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Oh my God, goosebumps.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  All over me. And I thought, "Oh, my God, I do." Like, that's exactly how I feel. And I think you do, too.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  Yes. But how would you explain, how would you explain the difference between that knowing and thinking, "Oh, maybe I do know, maybe I don't?" How do you decipher that?

• 43:15Speaker 03

  I think Michael's always said to me, "You have to trust your gut."

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  But at the same time, you have to have a gut that's trustworthy.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  That's fucking amazing. Oh, my God.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  Tell the truth and you'll be able to start trusting your gut. And then when your gut starts telling you something, it's the truth.

• 43:34Speaker 04

  This is like, it's like we've smoked a joint without having smoked a joint.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Imagine the two of us when we weren't sober. It would just be a fire. There'd just be a explosion.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  But I think, I think as I've got older, I know, listen, I really want to talk to you about you and Charlie doing that series where you were looking at the supernatural. And when I was clean and in recovery, I was told to pray to a higher power

• 44:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  of your understanding. It doesn't have to be God, but it's just got to be something bigger than you that you believe in. And I was really struggling with that. I thought, "I just want to stay clean, though, and I'm so terrified." So I went to the College of Psychic Studies. And I went in, and you know how in Narcotics Anonymous, you have multicolored key rings?

• 44:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  And in AA, you get coins, but in AA, it's key rings. And I had my pocket full of key rings with my house key on it, but I had like five key rings on it. He said, "I'm speaking to your grandfather." And I was like, "Yes." And I still wasn't really believing. I was like, "Oh, you, whatever."

• 44:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  And he said, "You're praying, but you don't know what you're praying to." I was like, and I started crying immediately because I thought, "That's exactly what I'm doing." Like, "How would you know that? I don't look like someone who prays." I mean, like, I don't, and I was like,

• 45:02Speaker 04

  That's not a cold breathing.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  And then he said, "You've got a rainbow in your pocket." And I pulled out my keys. And he said, "That's it." And then he said, "Well, your grandfather wants me to tell you something." And I was like, "Yes." And he said, "He's telling me that your prayers are being heard."

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  And that was all I needed.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  That is insane.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  I didn't need to know who by. I have been quite cynical about that in my life. And I think it's when things go wrong or things have been very difficult. And yet I found such hope in that. But tell me about your journey to kind of believing in things that other people struggle to understand.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  Growing up, my mum, who lost her sister, I think her sister was 30 at the time, would drag me as a child to these terrible kind of con artists, psychics in the backrooms of pubs,

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  where there'd be like a raffle and you, I mean, it was just so mad. There was this guy, right? I must have been about nine or 10. There was a psychic in the backroom of the pub who would do a psychic session. His wife was like on a little put me up table. It was like, you know, with a raffle and it would be like really shit stuff, like Tupperware. And I'm trying to think some Weight Watchers books, unless she's obviously not used. And he would then, he would do a psychic reading. So he would say, "Right, I've got your, you know, your granddad here and he wants you to know that he's all right." And then he would break into karaoke Roy Orbison song.

• 46:44Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, amazing.

• 46:45Speaker 04

  So it would be a song, it would be a song, and it was like, what, it's like, it was like a psychic cabaret. And I'm nine. I'm like, and my mum's going, "Oh, it's so amazing." I was just like, "This is, this is mad."

• 47:01Speaker 03

  What's amazing is that that didn't put you off forever.

• 47:05Speaker 04

  Forever, no. Then it wasn't until I, I was really ill in hospital and I'd started doing those EVPs and I got,

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Wait, wait. What were you ill with and what's an EVP?

• 47:16Speaker 04

  I was ill with, it was, this sounds so mad. I was really, it was like I had a bug, but it was really ill. And they thought, there's like two types of meningitis. There's like bacterial or there's like bacterial, and it's about, I had the viral one and I was feeling so ill. And they, they'd done some tests and they put me in a, in a private room away from everybody else, because I think they were worried about infecting people. This is before I had my children. And I remember being so frightened and I'd watched, you know, Most Haunted and Ghost Adventures. And EVP is Electronic Voice Phenomenon, where you record your voice, you know, you record yourself saying, "Is there anybody here?"

• 47:59Speaker 04

  You leave a gap. And then when you listen to it back, you're meant to be able to hear something or not. And I heard so clearly, this was just a recording on my phone. It was a very ethereal voice. And I'll send you the recording when I get back. So I still have it and it said, "Don't be afraid." And it was like, that for me was the proof. And then I've had stuff happen since then, but I, that I was like, "No, I was in a room all on my own. There's no way that was another voice. That was a nurse out in the corridor. That wasn't a recording over another recording." That was something that I can't explain. And that's how I just knew.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  And it started.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  And then it started, yeah.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  I mean, tell me about your journey, because I know that you, as well as doing writing and TV and comedy, you have also learned how to do tarot cards. Talk me through that.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Can I get you my tarot?

• 48:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, go.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  I'm good. So I have a quick,

• 48:58Speaker 03

  Give me Ben.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  Right, give you Ben. There we go. Right, let me go grabbing.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Ben, I hope you're watching. I don't, I don't know if I should be past, is this right?

• 49:09Speaker 04

  And you're helping so many people.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  I mean, this is what I want this to be. I want this to be take homes. But I'm telling you, what you've shared today has been so incredible. So these are your cards. How important is the pack of cards? Do you have to make this pack your pack?

• 49:26Speaker 04

  I, yes. Were you, yes. I've worked with this. I think I got this packet from Shein. And for some reason, it's really good.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  That was not what I was expecting. I was expecting like St. Mark's Square in Venice or something. Like, it's just so,

• 49:45Speaker 04

  It's like $2.98 on Shein. It was cheap. And it's connected with me.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, I love that.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  This is another way of procrastinating. And I just will ask it loads of questions.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  And?

• 49:58Speaker 04

  Like, you know, like, who's going to win traitors and shit like, like that.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Got it, got it.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  So, yes, take these,

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  knock on them three times,

• 50:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  and then shuffle. Think of a question in your head that you want to ask. You don't have to say out loud. You can say out loud. You don't have to.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  I feel sorry.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  No, don't. Oh, my goodness.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  I feel like my dad and my sister are together. Um, and not just here, but um, somewhere.

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  And um, I just wondered if they were, are they together? And do they come visit? Because when I was in hospital, when I'd had my brain surgery.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  On the second day, Michael came in and I said, oh, you've just missed dad. And he'd been told to correct me if I got something wrong, but he couldn't do it.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Oh, my.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  And my dad had been with me all afternoon, sat on the end of the bed, holding my hand.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  And then the next day I said to him, oh, dad came to see me. And he went, yes. And then about an hour or two later, I said, is my dad dead?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Oh, my.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  And he had to tell me he was. But he.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  Oh, my.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, but Daisy, he was there. Like, he was there. I've never really had that before. I've never been, but he was there. As, and he was like that. He wasn't my dad with Alzheimer's. He was completely there.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  So I want to know if my, sorry, I'm all right now. If my dad and my sister are together.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Oh, yes.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  And if they come visit.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  Yes. So pick three cards.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, like the electricity in this room. So did he say anything to you? Or he was just, it was just.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Do I just give them to you?

• 51:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, just give them.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  Oh, two.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, that one.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Okay, so first card you got was interesting. This is the seven of wands. So it upright, you, you had it in reverse. So upright, that means like you're having to defend yourself against somebody. But if it's reversed, it means that you're protective over somebody else. So that's like either your dad and your sister are saying, it's a message to you to say, we have still very protective over you, overly protective.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  Really?

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's.

• 52:37Speaker 03

  I mean, my dad came to look after me after my operation, for sure.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  And I was very vulnerable.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  But I wonder whether it had to be that moment where you were in the in-between.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? In your mind that you, so you didn't question it enough.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  No.

• 52:54Speaker 04

  And then you had the star, which is hope, calm, faith, renewal, spirituality, rejuvenation. So that is so, that's a massive yes, that. And you've also got the chariot, which I would say not only are they together, but immediately, like it would have been, that means quick, that means like fast, something happening. So you've got, yeah, everything is saying yes.

• 53:22Speaker 03

  Do you know what, Daisy?

• 53:24Speaker 04

  I knew that. Oh, my, there we go. There we go.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  It's nice to get.

• 53:30Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Oh.

• 53:33Speaker 03

  I'm so happy for you.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  You deserve everything.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  Thank you. I feel exactly the same way about you.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  You're a very good woman.

• 53:41Speaker 04

  Oh, God, so are you to be the one saying this to me. Oh, darling, I love you. Oh, this is amazing. And you smell so bright.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  I felt that.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  Thank you, darling. This is the best interview I've ever done in my life.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  I've just really enjoyed it.

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