Best New U.K. Music with Shaad D’Souza, Plus An Interview with Mary in the Junkyard

Music journalist and EIC of Shaad Magazine Shaad D’Souza joins Yasi to talk about the best new music coming out of the U. K. right now. They discuss how they find new artists, gimmicks vs. authenticity, the Windmill scene, and the importance of going to shows in the algorithm era. Next, one of our favorite new U. K. bands, Mary in the Junkyard, sits down with Yasi to talk about coming up in south London, the not-very-secret identity of the old man on their album cover, and the benefits of tumbling. Plus, a reenactment of the very important phone call that brought the band together. Episode Playlist Listen to the Best New U. K. Music Playlist here Subscribe on YouTube CREDITS: Host: Yasi Salek @yasisalek Guests: Shaad D’Souza @shaad, Mary in the Junkyard @maryinthejunkyrd Producer: Rob Sundermann Editor: Adrian Bridges Additional Production Supervision: Justin Sayles Theme Song: Bethany Cosentino Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:35Speaker 01

  What's with this band anyway? I don't get it. Can you please explain? Wait, like, Bandplain? Never heard this band in my life. Oh, you haven't? I'd love that. Really? Why? Yeah, I love this song. Oh, I don't know that one. Bandplain, Bandplain, Bandplain. I really hate this band! Whatever. I'm their biggest fan. Bandplain, Bandplain, Bandplain, Bandplain.

• 1:15Yasi Salek?

  Hello and welcome to Bandplain. I am your host, Yasi Salek. This is usually a show where I invite an expert guest on to help me explain a cult band or iconic artist. But today, we're doing something a little different. Today, we're talking about new music, specifically the best new music coming out of the UK right now. Also, please stick around after our chat, where I will be interviewing a great new band out of the UK called Marion the Junkyard. The conversation's great. I think you'll enjoy it. My guest today is the brilliant music journalist, acclaimed editor of SHAD magazine, and known Australian, Shaad de Souza. Welcome to the show, Shaad.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, not known Brit, but it's, you know, I immerse myself in the culture.

• 2:02Yasi Salek?

  It's getting the elephant out of the room. It's still, what do you guys call it, the Commonwealth?

• 2:06Speaker 03

  It's still the Commonwealth. Australia famously was a colony of the UK. You know, there's still links, you know?

• 2:13Yasi Salek?

  A penal colony?

• 2:14Speaker 03

  Penal, penal.

• 2:15Yasi Salek?

  Oh, penal.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Not as egregious as if I was like an American. But you know, I don't claim to be the expert, but you know, I've really, kind of like on an anthropological level, maybe, have really immersed myself in the culture over the past few years of living here. So hopefully I can be a good guide.

• 2:33Yasi Salek?

  I think you're gonna be great. I handpicked you. I think you are, you have your ear to the streets, you have your finger on the pulse. You guys were recording Boots on the Ground in London, if you can believe it.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  We're recording white painted tabby ballet flats on the ground.

• 2:49Yasi Salek?

  I know, I didn't need to show off my Red Hot Chili Peppers tattoo and my white... I did wear, I did purposely like sort through my bag of band t-shirts and make sure I was wearing UK excellence today, Stone Roses. Although, I also had a Portishead shirt I could have worn, which probably would have made a little more sense, given what all of the bands that we're talking about... Not all of them, but you know what I mean? Like, the direction that more bands went in. Like, you don't hear a lot of bands being like, "I'm gonna be the Stone Roses anymore."

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Well, I think maybe you do. I think maybe the ones that we've gravitated towards in terms of what we're talking about would be more of a kind of like a downtempo vibe.

• 3:30Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  But I think, I think there's still a lot of, you know, I can take you to like the Blue Post in Soho, where there's probably gonna be a...

• 3:38Yasi Salek?

  I've been there, can you believe?

• 3:39Speaker 03

  I can believe, yeah. There's probably gonna be a band playing tonight that sounds like the Stone Roses.

• 3:44Yasi Salek?

  I think they had an Oasis activation there.

• 3:48Speaker 03

  And I went.

• 3:49Yasi Salek?

  Yes, I was also there. It was really...

• 3:51Speaker 03

  You were there as well!

• 3:52Yasi Salek?

  Well, I was, I probably made it like 20 minutes.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  It was very loud inside. It was really hot. I was only there to get my free stuff.

• 3:59Yasi Salek?

  I wanted my swag bag and I nicked a champagne glass and I still have it.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  I nicked the pint glass, yeah.

• 4:06Yasi Salek?

  Thank you. I mean, what were they gonna do? They were gonna throw them away anyways.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, yeah.

• 4:10Yasi Salek?

  Thank you to Adidas UK for inviting me for... Adidas UK recognizes my influencership.

• 4:16Speaker 03

  Did they fly over for it?

• 4:17Yasi Salek?

  No, I just happened to be here and someone caught wind of it and DM'd me on Instagram and invited me.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  You know what? They're really good at that. And you know, I say that because they're like the only brand that invites me to things. And I feel that I should be invited to more of them.

• 4:33Yasi Salek?

  So they have their finger also on the pulse, because we are the people that are cool and should be invited to stuff like that.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  They have their gazelles to the ground.

• 4:38Yasi Salek?

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• 5:19Yasi Salek?

  I wanted to ask a couple of broader questions, because you know, I don't know a lot about the UK or the London scene. I mean, I'm obviously a known Anglophile, and I know a lot about perhaps like what it was like in Manchester in 1989, but...

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Which I've, which I've noticed is actually kind of an increasingly common thing of like, I'm meeting more and more Americans who are like, "Oh, like, you know, the British scene in like the 80s and 90s, like, that's just like..." You know, around the time of the Oasis mania last year, suddenly all these kind of like, like Americans that I knew suddenly were revealing that they were kind of Anglophiles.

• 5:58Yasi Salek?

  I don't wanna say I had a hand in it, but I'll say I did.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, just take, yeah.

• 6:04Yasi Salek?

  You guys have long, not you guys, you guys, have long, you know, held the tradition of guitar rock in high esteem. No one takes guitar rock more seriously than the UK.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:17Yasi Salek?

  And I really respect that. Like, they're never gonna let it die, which I love.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Which is funny, because also like, that's the same as like, no one takes dance music more seriously. And like, in a lot of ways, no one takes hip-hop more seriously. It might just be that the UK likes music more than, like, music is kind of valued more.

• 6:35Yasi Salek?

  The arts.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:36Yasi Salek?

  Theater, music, not podcasting. I've heard they don't respect podcasting. Okay, well, my first question for you, Shaad, is how do you go about finding new music? Like, what's your process, whether it's local to the UK or not?

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Everything for me has gotten so botched over the past few years. Not like in terms of how music makes its way to me. You know, I feel like there used to be, I used to read a lot of like really small blogs, especially like in Australia, there used to be a bunch of really good ones that have since shut down and like, yeah, it was very just kind of like feeling around and like, you know, a lot through the internet. I feel like less, way less so now.

• 7:20Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  And like now, it's almost always just asking people what they're listening to, looking at lineups of people who I like and seeing who they're playing with.

• 7:28Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, who's opening.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Shared band members, stuff like that. It's almost always this kind of like very, like, it's almost like a social approach to finding music, rather than any kind of like defined way. Because even like, you know, it's harder to like find common stuff on like Bandcamp or whatever anymore these days. And like, looking at people's playlists, like that yields less, I find, and...

• 7:56Yasi Salek?

  Can I just say something? You're 30, 28?

• 8:00Speaker 03

  29.

• 8:01Yasi Salek?

  29.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Recently 29.

• 8:03Yasi Salek?

  Recently, happy birthday. It's very funny, because I'm like, "Oh, we're like inventing finding music from first principles", which is like, there were not internet or blogs, so that is how people used to find music?

• 8:18Speaker 03

  No, totally.

• 8:18Yasi Salek?

  It was like shared band bills and scenes. But of course, we had, we did have like monoculture.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  But also like indie music, and like UK indie music especially was very like zines, like weekly music press, kind of like flyers, like, you know, I feel like the, you know, I feel like part of why the UK had such kind of like booming music scenes or whatever is because like British media has always been such a big thing as well. So there have always been like dozens of magazines and stuff.

• 8:47Yasi Salek?

  Do you feel that is still the case in terms of the media?

• 8:52Speaker 03

  Not, not really.

• 8:54Yasi Salek?

  Enemy still exists.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, but like barely.

• 8:58Yasi Salek?

  Right. A Melody Maker, no.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  Melody Maker, no.

• 9:02Yasi Salek?

  Sounds, no. All the ones that I used to research my show are gone.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. They're all gone except Enemy, which is like basically a whole different magazine now.

• 9:09Yasi Salek?

  Right. Which is like all of them, it's like how Spin is, and like they're just like, kind of like...

• 9:13Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't think Enemy is doing SpawnCon for the US Navy and stuff.

• 9:16Yasi Salek?

  Not yet.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  Not yet, not yet. So, you know, none of them quite as bad as Spin yet, but...

• 9:24Yasi Salek?

  It's a, it's rough. Okay, so that's how you kind of go about finding things. And you're, you are tapped in, because you have a lot of friends that do music, and do you go to a lot of shows?

• 9:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, too, so many, too many. Like, this week, I'll probably only go to one or two shows, and that will be, like, that will be a respite week this summer. The rest of the summer, it's like, it gets, it gets so much.

• 9:54Yasi Salek?

  Is it only in the summer?

• 9:55Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 9:56Yasi Salek?

  All the time?

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, all the time.

• 9:57Yasi Salek?

  But that's, I mean, it's also the nucleus of your social life, right?

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess so, yeah. Like, um, yeah, gigs, clubs, bars.

• 10:10Yasi Salek?

  Um, okay. My next question is, do you think there is like sort of in this like really fragmented post-internet world, like, is there a distinct British musical identity still? Or sound?

• 10:26Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I don't know that there ever was one properly, realistically, because there's, as I said before, there's always been kind of like the dance music thing and like, you know, hip hop and, you know, so many different, and obviously like heaps of like dub reggae and like, you know, folk music, like, obviously, like, British folk, the idea of kind of like, yeah, the British folk tradition is really big as well.

• 10:49Yasi Salek?

  But I guess I more mean like, okay, so Britpop or, um, oh my god, why can't it, what is Dizzy Rascal?

• 10:57Speaker 03

  What, like grime?

• 10:59Yasi Salek?

  Grime. Like, there are, there were certain, like, subgenres or genres that are like distinctly UK, right? Whereas like, I'm, I personally have not happened upon that too much now, like, one thing that really stuck out for me, listening to all these artists is like, a lot of them I had to like, confirm. I was like, they could be American, you know?

• 11:24Speaker 03

  And, and that's an interesting one. I mean, that, like, it was interesting to me listening to the

• 11:30Yasi Salek?

  Cause I chose more American sounding ones.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I also do feel like that kind of sound, that kind of like post-Alex G maybe thing, like, a bit more shoegazy, like a bit more American is coming in, but like, when I moved to London, probably four years ago, but like, four and a half years ago, it was like, and, and like, it still is like this a lot of the time. And actually, I've got, I've like, gotten really a lot of shit for saying this. Um, but it's like, there was like, a period where it was just like, every other new band was just like, this like shitty like, post-punk band that was like, doing the kind of like, yelly, like, kind of, a bit of like a post-dry cleaning thing, but like, with no personality and no real like

• 12:16Speaker 03

  attitude or point of view. Um, and like, you know, the, it, it felt like the whole kind of like, la- la- this, I'm talking about London specifically, but the whole London scene was just kind of like, you know, um, like a, kind of like, crowded, like bassline and like

• 12:33Yasi Salek?

  UK does love a talk thing more, really more than America, I think.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and like, thi- this like, British post-punk thing that was going on, but like, not post-punk in the kind of like seventies, eighties conception of it, but like, this one, like, once, the idea of like, post-punk as a genre specifically.

• 12:51Yasi Salek?

  Angular guitars.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, angular guitars and like a yelly singer and like, singing about like capitalism. Um, which, which like, some people do really well, like, like I said, like, I, I think dry cleaning do that really well, but cause they, they do something completely different.

• 13:07Yasi Salek?

  I really like idols.

• 13:10Yasi Salek?

  It's okay if you don't.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  And that's what you, and that's like something you really like, yeah.

• 13:13Yasi Salek?

  And that is something I really like.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  Um, but, but, but I feel like, either I've found ways around that, or like, not every band sounds like that anymore.

• 13:23Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Now, but, but even so, like, tha- that is still a lot of like, um, what, what you will be getting on, on the kind of like, an average festival lineup.

• 13:35Yasi Salek?

  I guess that's kind of heartening, in the sense that like, there is a strand of DNA that does run deep and continues on, you know?

• 13:44Speaker 03

  Maybe. Look, look, so, something I wonder is, is like, so, London, in terms of music, can feel very much like an, an, kind of like an industry town, but like, for indie music.

• 13:58Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  And for a while, I think after like, Dry Cleaning, Wet Leg, a few other bands like that blew up.

• 14:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  I kind of like, was wondering, like, do a lot of people see this as like a viable commercial path? I was wondering whether there was like, kind of a cynical aspect to doing the yelly, late capitalism, post-punk thing?

• 14:17Yasi Salek?

  Like, you think, like, kind of the way, like, after the, like, or, sorry, I can only, everything goes through the lens of the nineties for me, cause I'm old, but like, the way that after Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Soundgarden blew up, you had like, a litany of, uh,

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 14:32Yasi Salek?

  collective souls and, you know, seven merry threes or whatever, because, for whatever reason, it was like, okay, we can do that too.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly, yeah. Um, that, that's kind of what I'm saying. Um, but I feel like

• 14:48Speaker 03

  things are kind of broadening out more, or at least there's, there's still so much else going on at the same time.

• 14:53Yasi Salek?

  No, I was really struck. I mean, I loved your list, and even when I was doing my research, I, I do feel like I found a lot of diversity in even what I liked. Like, it was like, kind of all over the map, and I was like, this is really cool.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:05Yasi Salek?

  Okay. I know this maybe might be less something you know about, but I do think you would know about it more than me. Are there still regional scenes, like Bristol, or, you know, I don't know, Manchester, or, like, are there certain kind of clusters of scenes that have formed up around these areas?

• 15:30Speaker 03

  I wouldn't, look, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to tell you, I wouldn't be able to give you like, an expert view on what was happening. I do know, like, there are bands, like

• 15:41Yasi Salek?

  From Manchester.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  There are like, cool bands coming from those places. There's like, a bunch of like, really crazy electronic music coming from Leicester, for example, or like, you know, kind of Manchester, just outside Manchester, just outside Manchester, there's like, quite a cool, like, electronic, like, club scene and stuff. I wouldn't be able to like, give an accurate read on like, beyond what, what I know of those places, whether there is still kind of like, specifically, kind of like, regional things going on. But I'm, I'm sure there are, but also, at the same time, I'm sure, same, same with anywhere, it's like, the internet has made a lot of these things so much more centralized.

• 16:24Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Um, but, yeah.

• 16:26Yasi Salek?

  If you guys are in a local, regional scene in the UK, just, you can email us, [email protected], I wanna know about it. Um, okay, well, can you at least explain the windmill scene? This is really far away from my understanding of things, so.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  So, the windmill scene?

• 16:44Yasi Salek?

  The windmill is a venue.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  The windmill, okay, so the windmill is a pub in South London that puts on live shows, and it's kind of like, hard, they say, they say it's like, hard to put on a show there.

• 16:55Yasi Salek?

  Why?

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Um, just cause the, the guy who books it is like, uh, you know, takes a very like, curatorial.

• 17:01Yasi Salek?

  Okay, it's CBGB's of South London.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  Sure, sure, but it's like, next to a post office. Um, and I guess like, a bunch of bands over the past like, ten years have really kind of like, come up there, like, playing shows there. Um, you know, like, Black Midi, I guess, like, Shame, I guess. God, I try, I, I don't, I don't, look, I, I feel like it was kind of like, done and dusted by the time I moved here.

• 17:28Yasi Salek?

  So the windmill scene is over, is what you're saying? It's dead in a ditch?

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Well.

• 17:32Yasi Salek?

  So last year.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  I, I don't wanna, I don't wanna claim authority on what is or is not the windmill scene. Um, but like, Black Country New Road, for example, but like, I feel like, now it's more something that people just like, talk about.

• 17:48Yasi Salek?

  And apply as like a moniker or whatever.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, or like, you know, publicists love to put in like, m- member of the famed windmill scene.

• 17:56Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  From my point of view, as someone who moved to the UK after it was all done and dusted, it's just like, a bunch of people who have like, really weird, like, fractious relationships with each other, who like, stole each other's girlfriends and shit like that.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  But, so, I don't, I don't wanna like, lay any like, claims, like, knowing what it is or what it isn't. But, I mean, there's definitely like, a lot of, like, great music came out of it, and like, a lot of people who were kind of associated with it, are still making kind of amazing music. But, I'd say it's before my time in, in London, but I don't know.

• 18:29Yasi Salek?

  Is there an equivalent happening right now?

• 18:33Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 18:35Yasi Salek?

  You do know and you don't wanna say it?

• 18:39Yasi Salek?

  Like, is there a, like, a certain venue that you're like, oh, this place reliably has great shows and I can just go there any night and I'll probably see something good?

• 18:50Speaker 03

  There definitely are. Um, but I don't know, I don't know, like, whether they, whether tha- tha- that, they're like, the same kind of nexus of, of like, culture that people saw the windmill as, but like, for example, like, oh, I don't necessarily wanna blow up the spot, because the other day, someone put, this like, famous DJ posted about it, and then everyone was just complaining about it afterwards. But there's like, a club in South London I love called Spanners, and like, reliably, I can go there.

• 19:16Yasi Salek?

  And see something great.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  And like, see something amazing. Um, there's a lot of like, nights that put on like, really good, like, you know, like, Scenic Root, um, Atomizer sometimes.

• 19:26Yasi Salek?

  Scenic Root?

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Uh, is like, is like a label and a night, and they put on shows.

• 19:31Yasi Salek?

  That's so great.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Um, or like, Atomizer, like, put on really good lineups.

• 19:36Yasi Salek?

  Is Atomizer a night or a label or both?

• 19:39Speaker 03

  It's a night.

• 19:39Yasi Salek?

  Okay, that's very cool.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  And then like, I go to the George Tavern like, a lot.

• 19:43Yasi Salek?

  I heard that place is rad.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  The George Tavern?

• 19:46Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's really, well, it's a nice place to be, cause it's kind of like, this like, busted old pub, and then it's got a huge garden. Um, like, my friends play there all the time, like, there's

• 19:55Yasi Salek?

  What neighborhood is that in?

• 19:57Speaker 03

  That's in Shadwell.

• 19:58Yasi Salek?

  In Shadwell? That's your

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Not Shadwell, yeah.

• 20:01Yasi Salek?

  Where's Shadwell?

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Shadwell is like, so you were in Whitechapel the other day, it's like, just if you kept going up that main road, it would, you'd get to Shadwell, you'd get to George Tavern.

• 20:11Yasi Salek?

  More east.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:13Yasi Salek?

  Okay. You've mentioned South London a bunch, can you explain a little bit, for those who don't know, including myself, what the vibe of South London is like, neighborhood wise?

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Well, I

• 20:25Yasi Salek?

  I'm sorry that I'm making you be like, the representative, you know, you don't have to speak for all, uh, you know, English people.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Well, the thing is, I'm trying, I'm trying really hard not to say anything that will get myself, like, get, people will be like, what is, you know, he's like, only the, this is, so all

• 20:39Yasi Salek?

  Fucking Australian.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, all of, all of this is, all of this is coming as my impression of this, as someone new to the scene, relatively. Um, who's been on the scene for a mere, slight- slightly under five years. So. There are lots of venues in South London, lots of venues in East London. And then like probably like some, but like less so in like um central and west.

• 21:04Yasi Salek?

  Okay, because West London's like posh and not cool.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, um.

• 21:09Yasi Salek?

  But it used to be a little bit cool because it was like Nottingham Hill and that was like artist Bohemia like in the early nineties.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Eighties, nineties.

• 21:14Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, okay.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Um, so like everyone, like lots of people. Who would be like going to gigs or playing in bands would live in like East London or South London. Um, I currently live in East, I used to live in South in Camberwell, which was amazing. I loved it there.

• 21:30Yasi Salek?

  Why did you leave?

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Because, so my landlord, um, who also owned the flat, her dad, who's a famous actor, had bought her the apartment.

• 21:40Yasi Salek?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Um, and so.

• 21:42Yasi Salek?

  Oh my god, that's so LA, okay.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  She was like, she was like super crazy and she evicted, um, she evicted me. So that her friends from Ireland could move in because the housing market was really hard. Um, well, she gave us about two months, but um.

• 21:57Yasi Salek?

  Are you just allowed to? You can't do that in America.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  No, you, well, you, I don't know. Are you sure?

• 22:02Yasi Salek?

  You, as far as I know, you could only evict tenants to, if you're gonna live there yourself. If you're the odor and you're gonna odor occupy.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  But she already lived there.

• 22:13Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  But you, I think you can evict tenants on a private lease. Anyway, it's not important.

• 22:18Yasi Salek?

  Okay, I'm sorry. Did you guys know, I'm sorry, this is so, who cares, but I just learned this and I'm shocked to my core about. That there is a kind of ownership of property here called a leasehold.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 22:32Yasi Salek?

  In which you own only the air. It's, it's like, someone else owns the land and the structure of your home. And you own the negative space within the structure. You own the. Well, I don't, what would you even call that?

• 22:50Speaker 03

  Well, no, so it's, it's not, it's, uh, like, I feel like the way people define it is like, a leasehold would be like, so you, if you're buying somewhere. You can buy a leasehold or freehold, like freehold, you're buying it in perpetuity. You're buying a house, you're buying it forever.

• 23:04Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Leasehold, you're buying it for however long the, the remainder of the lease is. So often it will be like.

• 23:12Yasi Salek?

  Somebody else owns the rest of it, right?

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Yes, often it will be like nine hundred and ninety nine years. You know, often it will be like longer than you could ever possibly.

• 23:21Yasi Salek?

  Does that mean like if you wanted to put a sauna in your backyard, you're not allowed to do that because the yard is owned by this other person?

• 23:28Speaker 03

  No, I think you're allowed to, but it's just a way of making sure that kind of like landed gentry or whatever, or like landowners maintain their land. But it's a more, I'm, I'm pretty sure.

• 23:38Yasi Salek?

  Got it.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's, it's, it's crazy.

• 23:40Yasi Salek?

  This is unrelated to the UK music scene. I was just kind of blown away by this information.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  Well, I'm someone who's not, does not, has no.

• 23:47Yasi Salek?

  Ownership of property.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, who probably won't get on the property ladder. I've been learning a lot about, for example, in New York, I found out. So you can buy your amazing million dollar, um, flat or whatever. You're still facing probably like six thousand dollars in monthly maintenance fees.

• 24:03Yasi Salek?

  It, yeah, if you're in a, um, co-op.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:07Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  That's crazy. Like you might as well just rent.

• 24:10Yasi Salek?

  Hmm. There's, this is not a real estate podcast, but there is different ways to look at it. You, if you rent, you do not accrue wealth.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  Right, I see.

• 24:20Yasi Salek?

  Your, your home does not raise in, the, the whole point of real estate, especially in cities like New York and all is over time, the.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  The property increases.

• 24:30Yasi Salek?

  Increases in value.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Hey, right. Do you, do you own your place?

• 24:33Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 24:35Yasi Salek?

  I burned it to the ground, if you'll remember.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  Oh, I do remember, I'm sorry.

• 24:39Yasi Salek?

  I didn't bring my tiny violin, um, but I still own the land. Um, okay. Before we jump in, I said that already, but one more before we jump in. Should we talk, should we just like kind of name check a couple of like. Too big for us to talk about right now. Do you know what I mean? Like.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 24:57Yasi Salek?

  Cause I'm like, you mentioned like wet leg, dry cleaning. Wonder Horse for me is one that I really like, that I think is not something I would talk about as like. New emerging band, because I think they're kind of like minted, like, or who else would you consider in that like. World of UK bands that are kind of a. Bigger than, you know, us maybe.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  Like stuff that people would already know about.

• 25:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Um, do you mind if I just like do a little look through phone and then, um.

• 25:28Yasi Salek?

  I'm trying to think of like in the last like five to ten years, like who are the big dogs that have emerged? Cause like obviously Wet Leg's killing it. We love dry cleaning.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  People love Wolf Alice, Wolf Alice Headliner Festival.

• 25:41Yasi Salek?

  That's true, Wolf Alice is huge. Wolf Alice feels spiritually American to me in a way that I can't explain.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  I totally know what you mean.

• 25:47Yasi Salek?

  You know what I mean?

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, it, it's interesting that what they're doing are kind of like seventiesy, kind of like.

• 25:54Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  It, it, it can feel kind of American.

• 25:57Yasi Salek?

  Oh, Youngblood?

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Is that?

• 26:00Yasi Salek?

  He's one of yours.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  Well, not one of mine.

• 26:02Yasi Salek?

  Right, that's right. One of theirs.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, like Kate Le Bon.

• 26:08Yasi Salek?

  Oh, sure.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Um.

• 26:10Yasi Salek?

  Love Kate Le Bon.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Nilla Fyanya.

• 26:13Yasi Salek?

  Love. Actually, Nilla Fyanya, I think should be talked about more, in my opinion.

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Well, she's one of those ones who I'm like, I think she actually is like really well rated and is always consistently great. But maybe is like just one of those people who like has actual fans, but people don't talk about her.

• 26:30Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, well, it sounds, she seems like a critical darling and then like a bit of if you know, you know, at least in my experience. In America or in whatever, in my town.

• 26:40Speaker 03

  I think she plays big shows, yeah. I don't know whether it's a thing in America.

• 26:43Yasi Salek?

  She's wonderful. If you guys haven't checked out Nilla Fyanya, I'm really a big fan.

• 26:49Yasi Salek?

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• 27:22Yasi Salek?

  Why don't you tell me a bit about Mary and the Junkyard?

• 27:25Speaker 03

  They're, I would say they're kind of like, they're very like South London scene right now. They just released their, um, first album, Role Model Hammer.

• 27:35Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  I, I really like it. I would say it kind of pushes into what we were talking about a bit before, like pushes into a bit more of that kind of American. Post Alex G thing a little bit, um, but it still has like obviously very British sensibility.

• 27:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  What did you, what did you connect to about it?

• 27:53Yasi Salek?

  Well, I love, um, sad music and I love sort of, I love whimsy when done well.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:02Yasi Salek?

  Like I think there's a way that whimsy can be really annoying and there was a way that whimsy can be really like dreamlike and sort of like. Fantastical and immersive and I feel like they do that version and I really liked that.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it, it feels very youthful, but not in a way that's like naive necessarily. It's just like very.

• 28:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it, you know, I think the best rock music sounds youthful because it's. Young people make rock music and the, the sort of, uh, preoccupations. Of really good rock music are youthful concerns, you know, and I think they do that really well. Um. Yeah, I, I was, I was struck by, I think the first song I heard was, is that the single Blood? Yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  It's one of the singles, I think.

• 28:49Yasi Salek?

  Fucking fire. God, God, tear that.

• 28:53Yasi Salek?

  Love it.

• 29:01Yasi Salek?

  I like her voice. Um, I only learned later about their, um, propensity for. Paper mache stage craft. Have you seen this?

• 29:11Speaker 03

  I've never seen them live.

• 29:12Yasi Salek?

  Okay, I'm really into that. Again, something that could probably go south if you do it too much or in a weird way, but I like it.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Well, do you like that band Snoopa?

• 29:23Yasi Salek?

  Who?

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Snoopa.

• 29:23Yasi Salek?

  I don't know them.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  You would love Snoopa. And they have big paper mache heads.

• 29:29Yasi Salek?

  Or they wear them when they perform.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  No, they, just in their videos, I'm not sure whether they have them on stage.

• 29:34Yasi Salek?

  Love that.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  Um, but they're really good.

• 29:36Yasi Salek?

  I was thinking about this the other day because I don't know if you, did you notice that for some reason the Bat for Lashes video was going around on the internet again?

• 29:44Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 29:44Yasi Salek?

  Um, What's a Girl to Do? Is that the song?

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, the one on the bikes.

• 29:48Yasi Salek?

  Yes, and I was like, wow, we really went through a hardcore period of people being obsessed with animal masks.

• 29:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:55Yasi Salek?

  Heads, masks.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  It's a bit of that like glam, like, it's like original indie sleaze.

• 30:01Yasi Salek?

  Hundred percent, hundred percent. I noticed they're on a label that is known for signing Olivia Dean.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  All my friends?

• 30:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  I didn't know they had Olivia Dean. I know, I know that they, they spent big on Dove Ellis.

• 30:14Yasi Salek?

  I love Dove Ellis. He's not part of this conversation because he's Irish and I've learned that that's different.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  Well, he lives in, I want to say he lives in Manchester.

• 30:24Yasi Salek?

  But he is an Irish person.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  He's Irish, he's Irish, yeah.

• 30:27Yasi Salek?

  Um, and they, that's not the UK?

• 30:29Speaker 03

  No, that's not the UK. That's for your, that's for your Irish.

• 30:33Yasi Salek?

  That's my Ireland special, because I actually do love, there's a bunch of bands that I have in my list that I put at the bottom. That are Irish that I would like to talk about, and we could do like a maybe special on that later, um, with an Irish person. Um, okay, what about number two? Not number two, we're not ranking, but a, a second one for you.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  The second one for me, I really like this band Curbside Lambsia.

• 30:55Yasi Salek?

  Mm hmm. I love that name.

• 30:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it's, I mean, it gets, it's stuck, gets stuck in your head.

• 31:00Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  Um, just like. So it's one of the members from Caroline, this band that we'll, we'll come to see, I think, has a lot of, a lot of fingers and a lot of.

• 31:12Yasi Salek?

  I need you to explain to me why there's a person from Caroline and like eight of these bands that we're gonna, or these artists that we're gonna talk about.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I, I feel like they're just a, a, like very prolific collaborators and like very. What they do is very unique, like Ca- Caroline itself is like, I guess you'd call it post-rock, but it's a lot more maybe like. Pastoral than that would come across.

• 31:36Yasi Salek?

  Pastoral, you say?

• 31:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:38Yasi Salek?

  Can you explain what you mean by pastoral?

• 31:39Speaker 03

  Like, you know, it's like, it's like a very like natural world kind of post-rock, you know, like.

• 31:44Yasi Salek?

  Earthy.

• 31:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, earthy, yeah. Um, this song is very earthy, but I feel like maybe touches on more of like. Ethereal isn't the right word, but.

• 31:54Yasi Salek?

  But it is, I wrote in trance.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just very kind of like hypnotic.

• 31:58Yasi Salek?

  Hypnotic, exactly.

• 31:59Speaker 03

  Kind of like, um, I guess it's like a kind of folk music, but I wouldn't necessarily call it folk music.

• 32:16Yasi Salek?

  I wrote Kill Yourself Corps.

• 32:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Interesting, because I wouldn't.

• 32:22Yasi Salek?

  Which is a compliment.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wouldn't call this Kill Yourself Corps, but I know what you mean.

• 32:27Yasi Salek?

  But I love it.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:28Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I really, really liked it. The, do they both sing?

• 32:32Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 32:32Yasi Salek?

  Because it's two, it's two Austrian women.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  I can't speak to where they're from.

• 32:39Yasi Salek?

  I believe they're Austrian born. Annabelle Moe Linger and Magdalena McLean.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Such great names.

• 32:45Yasi Salek?

  Such great names. They have really great, really great singing voices. And if they are singing together, it works really well.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, so this song is on Scenic Group, which I mentioned before, which is like a night that puts on really good shows, but is also a label. And so like Mark William Lewis, who you might be familiar with, was on Scenic Group. And then it's now signed to A24 Music and he's, he's really good.

• 33:09Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  He's really good.

• 33:11Yasi Salek?

  God, I don't know anything.

• 33:13Speaker 03

  It's okay, nor do I. I like didn't know any of the songs you picked.

• 33:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Um, which I was like, this is exciting to me that.

• 33:21Yasi Salek?

  Right. Well, my methodology for finding things is like so bizarre, but.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  What is it?

• 33:27Yasi Salek?

  It, it's really algorithmic.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  You're Googling UK bands.

• 33:31Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, like UK bands, Kill Yourself music. Um, no, I, I like, I know, I already, there's ones that like cross my desk organically, like through friends or like I got really into, I don't even know how I found it. I'm gonna, I'll talk, maybe I'll just talk about it now since, are you done with?

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:48Yasi Salek?

  Um, there's a band I've talked about for a while called Most Things.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:54Yasi Salek?

  I don't have any understanding of how I found this band. It was like very organic and natural.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  Which is interesting to me.

• 34:01Yasi Salek?

  Because they're tiny.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Well, no, but also because this is one of those bands where before their first single came out, I got a PR email about it.

• 34:10Yasi Salek?

  Interesting.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, which is really interesting to me because then you listen to it and the whole vibe is very like, oh, this is just like, whatever.

• 34:19Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, but I, okay, can I say that I, I went and saw them play when I was here. I loved it and I, and I met the guy, Tom Gray, who's like, I think the main guy.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:29Yasi Salek?

  He does, he has a bunch of music projects and it is very much like whatever. Like it's clearly like, this is just a guy who like loves to make music and the record, the label he's on or they're on.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  So Young?

• 34:42Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, which I really like. Like I feel like what they're doing is really cool.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  This is, this is another thing. I feel like So Young is, is, is kind of like.

• 34:50Yasi Salek?

  Its own scene, kind of?

• 34:51Speaker 03

  Has kind of established itself as, as kind of this like, um, chronicler of like, of the, of the, of the young scene or whatever. I mean, I mean, it's been around for ages at this point.

• 35:02Yasi Salek?

  Has it?

• 35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like, I feel like maybe it's been around for like 10 years at this point.

• 35:06Yasi Salek?

  Wow, okay.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  But they put on like free shows that are really good.

• 35:09Yasi Salek?

  They have a magazine.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  There's a magazine, it started as a magazine.

• 35:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  Um, they put on free shows, like, I feel like they, it's a very good, like, platform for like young bands.

• 35:19Yasi Salek?

  It feels very Earth is Healing to me, like that I hear about, like, a cool magazine is now putting out music and making a scene around this. It's like, oh, we're, we're so back.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I'm also, whenever I like get their emails about like next issue or whatever, if I'm flicking through the website or whatever, I'm like, I can tell that, I'm like, oh, this is just stuff that you like went out and like found.

• 35:41Yasi Salek?

  Found, yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Which is really cool.

• 35:42Yasi Salek?

  It feels really, so again, I don't know how I came across it, but, um, I love it. And I love, I love it because I'm very, I'm a sucker for like bass and drums, like simple, like it's very, it's, I love the Minutemen, you know? And to me, there's like a, a strong Minutemen through line here, um, but British, like very British.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:06Yasi Salek?

  Like the song Shops, about going to the shops. And I, I know it might touch upon your late capitalist, uh, thing, but I think there's a little more whimsical, a little more simple, you know?

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Well, this also, it feels very Australian to me, this song.

• 36:20Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  Like very like Sleeper and Snake, Terry, like those kinds of bands.

• 36:24Yasi Salek?

  I don't know those bands, but I'm gonna look them up.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  They're like, they're kind of like Total Control offshoots.

• 36:28Yasi Salek?

  I love, you know how I feel about Total Control. But yeah, I really love it. And through, I think maybe because of that, other things started to come into my algorithm, maybe. Um, and then that, uh, as much as I wish this wasn't the case, it's kind, it kind of works, like you click around, like a thing that really works on, I can't speak to another music platform because I don't use them, I only use Spotify, but, um, you make, you start to make a playlist and then things that it recommends you tend to be really good. And you go to the radio of the song and the things tend to be really semi-good, like related artists tend to lead you to good places because the related artist one is the most organic because the same people that like the thing you're listening to

• 37:12Yasi Salek?

  also listen to that. So you're like, our tastes might be the same.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  That's something like if I'm looking to like sketch out kind of like a scene or like just see in terms of research of like how to situate someone, I find that quite helpful.

• 37:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, so I think, I think a lot of what I found was through those methodologies, not Google, UK bands good. But yeah, anyways, my, my, my, um, choice is Most Things. Um, they put out an album last year, it was called Big Time. And it's good. I think you guys should listen to it. We got.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Um, I got a band called Visit Me.

• 37:48Yasi Salek?

  Great name.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  Did you, what did you think of this?

• 37:51Yasi Salek?

  Um, okay, I really thought I wouldn't like this. And then I did like it despite myself.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:58Yasi Salek?

  Because it's like, this is a whimsy that is a little like children's music.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:05Yasi Salek?

  But it's like fucked up haunted children's music and then I liked it.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  And it's also, it's also kind of, it's, it's like serious, but it's also not a, a little rudimentary, but then it's also not.

• 38:19Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  This is, I've tried, I've tried to identify where they're from. I think they're based in London, but I think maybe they grew up around Cambridge.

• 38:26Yasi Salek?

  That's what I found.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  This was a recommendation from, do you know Matt McDermott?

• 38:30Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Uh, he works for 480.

• 38:33Yasi Salek?

  Cool.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Um, he, and he lives in LA. You guys should, you guys should really meet.

• 38:38Yasi Salek?

  Matt McDermott, send an email, bandsplan.com.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Um, you guys would like each other, but yeah, he has the best taste and he sent this to me a few months ago, but yeah, I just, I find something very compelling about like, it's, it's like really small scale music, but it feels built, built out to me.

• 38:57Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like it's, I guess it's like, that's just, it's just like true minimalism in that it doesn't feel empty. It just feels like a good, and, and it kind of follows on from that curbside Lambsia thing of like, a bit like, yeah, like haunted, like atmospheric.

• 39:13Yasi Salek?

  Totally. I think I really, what I really liked about it was that it's really unusual.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:17Yasi Salek?

  Like I, I have not heard much that sounds like this.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  No, totally, yeah.

• 39:21Yasi Salek?

  That doesn't happen to me very often. So I was like, oh, okay, all right, Visit Me.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  What do you have?

• 39:26Yasi Salek?

  What do I have? Um, I have a woman named Izzy Wood.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah?

• 39:31Yasi Salek?

  You might know about her.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  I do know about her.

• 39:34Yasi Salek?

  Um, Izzy's my friend, although do you feel like you have to disclose when someone's your friend, when you recommend their music?

• 39:39Speaker 03

  I will be disclosing that a few times on my playlist.

• 39:42Yasi Salek?

  I'm friends with a lot of, uh, bands that I, uh, I'm a proponent of. And actually many times the friendship occurred after I started doing their proponent. It's just what happens when you're into music.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 39:54Yasi Salek?

  So I don't find it, uh, a conflict of interest, if you will. Um, but I love Izzy's music. I always have. Um, she is honestly really fucking annoyingly like an incredibly, incredible and incredibly successful painter and then also is good at music. And I'm like, God, let's like spread it around, you know, the gifts, but it's very like, for those that have not listened, it's very like tonally dry. Like the, very wit, witty lyrics. Pretty like, there's no metaphor here, you know, this is all like self,

• 40:39Yasi Salek?

  uh, disclosure, like journalistic.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, but not in a, I feel like, I feel like her lyrics are like genuinely funny in a way that often it doesn't land.

• 40:49Yasi Salek?

  Hundred percent. You mean it doesn't land, like some people don't get it.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  So, no, like some people trying to do this kind of lyric, often it won't land, but I feel like it often does for Izzy.

• 40:59Yasi Salek?

  She's so funny. And, and she's a good singer and, and it's like,

• 41:04Yasi Salek?

  it is kind of like, the music's kind of unusual. It's like wonky, R and B, pop. Um, but like also like very like kind of lo-fi. I love it. Um, she has a new EP coming out. I think next month called The Blame Part Seven. This is her seventh EP called The Blame. Just so cool. Um, but yeah, I'm a big fan of Izzy Wood. Personally as well as artistically.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  I guess I'll do one that I will also disclose.

• 41:38Yasi Salek?

  They paid you.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, they paid me. No, this is a band called Crazy Paving.

• 41:43Yasi Salek?

  Okay. Oh my God. Okay. This was my favorite out of your entire playlist. And I was like, there's nothing about these people or person online. I couldn't find one single piece of information. And I'm like, I need to know more. I'm, I'm obsessed.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  So this is, and this is one of those ones where it's like, I don't.

• 42:00Yasi Salek?

  You don't know? But you're friends with them, so you can tell me more.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  So, so this is my friend Robbie.

• 42:04Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  You know how when someone's like, oh, come see blah, blah, blah's band? And it's like a friend's band and you're like expecting it to be kind of bad?

• 42:13Yasi Salek?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  First time I saw Crazy Paving, I was like, this is like so good. Um, and just like, just like these like immaculately written like indie rock, indie pop songs.

• 42:26Yasi Salek?

  Great lyrics.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, really good lyrics, like really funny, really melodic, just like nicely produced. Um, yeah, he's in a bunch of other bands. He like does like.

• 42:39Yasi Salek?

  So it's just one guy?

• 42:40Speaker 03

  Well, no, it's like there's other people as well, but he's like the main songwriter.

• 42:44Yasi Salek?

  And, and, um, the song you put on the playlist, and also you guys, we will, um, link a playlist with both of our choices in it, in the show notes. So you don't have to like sit with a pen and paper. Um, but the song you put on was called Phone Tap. And amazing, in the time honored tradition of I've never had a job because I never wanted one.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:08Yasi Salek?

  You know?

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess it's like slacker rock, but as is often the case with like slacker rock, then it's like the most kind of like perfect pop song you've ever heard.

• 43:17Yasi Salek?

  I've ever heard anybody, and this might be a blind spot for me, but I don't think I've heard anyone use in lyrics in this economy. But that's in the song and it's awesome.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's just a really, I'm glad you liked it.

• 43:29Yasi Salek?

  I really, it was, it was, I wrote here, this was my favorite.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:42Yasi Salek?

  I want to talk about Lugs.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  Lugs.

• 43:44Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. I could not find a lot about this band. The song I put on the place is called Seaweed and it's really giving the dream of the nineties is alive in Doncaster. Do you know what I mean? Like it's, yeah, it's just like really nineties.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  Oh, so it's in like Yorkshire.

• 44:00Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  In the north, like outside Sheffield.

• 44:04Yasi Salek?

  Okay, cool.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:05Yasi Salek?

  Um, this is probably one of those songs that I think you could make the argument that it could be an American band. Cause it is so that sort of like lineage of nineties alt, like lightly grunge, but that's my fucking shit, babe. And I love it.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:18Yasi Salek?

  And that's great. And I, again, it's three guys, Patrick Goss, Nathan Lynch and Tom Beals. And that's really all I could find about them.

• 44:34Yasi Salek?

  Music's good.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  I liked it. It was, yeah, it was in, it was in a particular run of a few songs where I was like, okay.

• 44:41Yasi Salek?

  Yasi.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Yasi, Yasi's really found her.

• 44:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  Like her American bands in the UK.

• 44:45Yasi Salek?

  Totally. Um, all right. What you got, babe?

• 44:49Speaker 03

  Um, I got, should we go just like total different vibe?

• 44:52Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, change it up.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Um, John Glacia.

• 44:55Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, I liked that a lot.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. So this is kind of like, she's like, kind of, she was, so she's signed to XL. So it's like a probably a bit bigger than a lot of.

• 45:03Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 45:04Speaker 03

  Bands on this, you know, discussion.

• 45:07Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  But I feel like still a bit like not necessarily broken through yet.

• 45:13Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Um, but she released a really good album last year. Um, and then this year just released the song Bond Girl. And it's kind of like, kind of hip hop. Sometimes it feels like she's doing kind of a spoken word thing.

• 45:26Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  Um, just like really like vibey and cool.

• 45:30Yasi Salek?

  Bangs.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, just like, just like bangs. And like she's, she's like a model as well and like has been in like Burberry campaigns and stuff and just like.

• 45:37Yasi Salek?

  God, I see what you do for other people.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. And like, I think she's got something coming out with the Aflanchers and like.

• 45:44Yasi Salek?

  I was saying, Aflanchers are really like crushing their collaborations lately.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, always.

• 45:49Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  They really know how to pick them.

• 45:51Yasi Salek?

  Um.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  But yeah, just, I, I really, I think she's just got so much like presence.

• 45:56Yasi Salek?

  I like how she rhymed, uh, Bond Girl with Gone Girl.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:00Yasi Salek?

  It's good. It's good stuff.

• 46:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I read that she is sort of like in the world of like shy girl and Dean Blunt. Like these are kind of like

• 46:19Yasi Salek?

  tour mates, collaborators.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  I don't really, I don't really know.

• 46:24Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't know necessarily that she has like an easily situatable scene. I know she's from East London originally.

• 46:31Yasi Salek?

  Cool.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  Um, I wouldn't say this, uh, yeah, I don't, but I don't.

• 46:35Yasi Salek?

  You wouldn't say she's like part of some known.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  Not as easily linkable as like, um, actually someone we should have talked about is Joanne Robertson. Do you know her?

• 46:44Yasi Salek?

  No, it's not too late. We're still here.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Well, yeah. So like Joanne Robertson, someone who has released a bunch of really great records over the past few years.

• 46:52Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Um, makes a lot of music with like Dean Blunt, Elias Ronan felt, um, kind of like in that world of just kind of like spacey, like folk rock kind of thing.

• 47:02Yasi Salek?

  Cause Dean Blunt, Elias Ronan felt album was one of my favorites of last year. It was like in my top ten.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. And she has a collab record with the two of them as well that came out this year, I think. Um, but yeah, she's really quite great.

• 47:16Yasi Salek?

  She's.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  Quite fab.

• 47:17Yasi Salek?

  Oh, she's British.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:18Yasi Salek?

  Awesome. Um, okay. John Glacia. Good stuff.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  Yep. What do you got for us?

• 47:25Yasi Salek?

  Hmm. Well, this one, this is actually a funny one. I had had this artist on a couple playlists prior and I had no idea they were British.

• 47:38Yasi Salek?

  I didn't, not because I thought they were American. It just like didn't cross my mind to look up where they were from. And it's, is it R I P Magic or is it Rip Magic?

• 47:45Speaker 03

  R I P Magic.

• 47:46Yasi Salek?

  R I P Magic.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  So this will be a bit of a, um.

• 47:49Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, we, there, there's a little thing here. Oh, wait, what? Do you have like a conflict?

• 47:54Speaker 03

  No, it's not, well, it's not a, it's not a conflict. Um.

• 47:57Yasi Salek?

  You work for them. You're in the band.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  No, I live, I live with Marco from R I P.

• 48:01Yasi Salek?

  You do? That's cool. Okay. Oh, well Marco, as you saw in two of my bands.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 48:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. So Marco, good, good for you. Good job, Marco. Whatever you're, whatever you're smoking.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:12Yasi Salek?

  Um, I love, well, you know, I fucking love the Happy Mondays.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Yes. I didn't, I didn't know that, but I could have guessed.

• 48:19Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, you could have guessed. And to me, the couple of, they've only put out a couple of singles, right?

• 48:24Speaker 03

  They put out an EP.

• 48:26Yasi Salek?

  An EP, right. Okay. That Screw Dark song.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 48:31Yasi Salek?

  It's really like, hello and welcome back. Hello, Happy Mondays. You've been resurrected in a new form. Um, I love it.

• 48:47Yasi Salek?

  I'm really into it. Had, again, not one single idea that they were British.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  Yes. Well, it also, it doesn't like sound British.

• 48:56Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  But then when you know about like all the other kind of things they do, it like, it makes a lot of sense.

• 49:02Yasi Salek?

  Well, I was kind of surprised because Sorry, which is, I'll just do them both since Marco is in both of them.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  Yes. Sorry, sounds very British.

• 49:09Yasi Salek?

  Sorry is a totally different vibe. Like it doesn't sound related to R I P Magic at all. Um.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Marco isn't one of the primary songwriters in Sorry.

• 49:18Yasi Salek?

  Okay. He's just plays in it.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:20Yasi Salek?

  And then he fronts R I P Magic.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. So R I P Magic is like, um, him, his friend Felix and then Pedro and then.

• 49:26Yasi Salek?

  Asha.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  Um, sorry, I was doing.

• 49:30Yasi Salek?

  Oh, you already, I imagine, sorry.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  Beth. Got it.

• 49:34Yasi Salek?

  Beth Boswell, right?

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:36Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. I have it in my notes. Um, I love Sorry. Sorry's on Domino. So they're also doing okay. Um, they put out, they've been out for a little while.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  It's, yeah, they've been out, they just released that third album last year, I think.

• 49:51Yasi Salek?

  Um, but I hadn't heard of them. I guess.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  They're like really good.

• 49:54Yasi Salek?

  They're really good. They're really good. Well, the, what really fucking got me, because this is like you put a mouse cheese trap for Yasi, was the song that samples Guided by Voices Hot Freaks.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:08Yasi Salek?

  Just fucking pump it into my veins. You might as well. It's so good. I think that Jet, Jet Plane is the name of the song.

• 50:23Yasi Salek?

  Anyways, it's fucking awesome. You guys should check it out. I actually, maybe Shaad can do it. I am not, I can't describe this band.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  Sorry?

• 50:32Yasi Salek?

  And like, I don't know what to say, what they sound like.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  It's kind of like, um, post punk, but kind of like street urchiny and like really like built up.

• 50:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 50:40Speaker 03

  Sound and like, I don't know how, and the vocals do a lot for it in terms of like making it feel really like grimy and kind of like, it's kind of like unnerving music.

• 50:52Yasi Salek?

  It reminds me a little of like Delta Five or like.

• 50:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:57Yasi Salek?

  Bush Tetras, like that.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:58Yasi Salek?

  You know what I mean?

• 50:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:59Yasi Salek?

  There's, they have a new song called Tom Will Smack Your Ass and it's so good, you guys.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  There's something screwy about it. I just described it as screwy.

• 51:07Yasi Salek?

  Hundred percent. Um, this song is amazing. You guys gotta listen to it. There are the funniest lyrics. It's about, um, you know, where have you gone? Have you gone to get with Tom Tom? And then there's a little line about, uh, Tom will get you drunk on the finest wine with his aunt in the countryside on the English pride. And they all sit around listening to some Thom Yorke B-sides. She fucking clocked his ass. She clocked Tom's ass. Um, it's great. Love it. I'm, well, I don't know. There's a lot I haven't heard of, but it seems like this is like, it's their time. Also, I, I saw Green, was that his name? Say his name. Green Chantin from Fontaine's.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:49Yasi Salek?

  Was like really obsessed with them.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 51:51Yasi Salek?

  Said they're amazing. You didn't know that?

• 51:53Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 51:53Yasi Salek?

  Is this you stopping yourself from saying something mean about Fontaine's?

• 51:56Speaker 03

  No, I love Fontaine's.

• 51:57Yasi Salek?

  They're amazing.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  They're amazing.

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• 52:58Speaker 03

  What do you wanna talk about? We could do, we could do like, uh, World Peace D M T and The Fem Cells.

• 53:05Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Okay, cool. So, did you have any familiarity with these bands before this?

• 53:10Yasi Salek?

  The Fem Cells, I had heard the name.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:13Yasi Salek?

  Um, I did have never heard World Peace D M T.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:16Yasi Salek?

  Great name, though.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  So.

• 53:18Yasi Salek?

  Or Rowan Please. Is that the other artist that's on?

• 53:20Speaker 03

  So Rowan Please, Rowan Please is, okay, so last year, World Peace D M T.

• 53:27Yasi Salek?

  Oh, Rowan is in the Fem Cells.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  So last year, World Peace D M T released this album, The Velvet Underground and Rowan.

• 53:34Yasi Salek?

  So.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  So good.

• 53:35Yasi Salek?

  Amazing.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  So good. So already, it's like, okay, great, even if the album's shit.

• 53:39Yasi Salek?

  I don't care.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, but the album is like so good. Now Rowan's officially a member of World Peace D M T.

• 53:45Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 53:45Speaker 03

  Um, but then Rowan also has a band called The Fem Cells. They're all kind of like associated with like bass victim.

• 53:52Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  If that means anything to you.

• 53:54Yasi Salek?

  I love bass victim.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I would say, I think bass victim are like good.

• 53:59Yasi Salek?

  Is it them are good?

• 54:00Speaker 03

  Probably not as like, I don't, I don't see it as much as like the hype suggests, but I like love World Peace D M T.

• 54:07Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  And The Fem Cells especially. I feel like they do a really, you know,

• 54:13Speaker 03

  with World Peace at least, like with The Velvet Underground and Rowan.

• 54:16Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  I feel like there's this effort to like, kind of like, you know, dredge up the memory of like the late two, late two thousands, early twenty teens and make it really cool.

• 54:28Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  But.

• 54:29Yasi Salek?

  In what, in what sense? Like what bands are you thinking of?

• 54:32Speaker 03

  I'm thinking about like, like with bass victim, I'm like, or, or like Snowstrippers or whatever. I'm like, in, you know, it's kind of like.

• 54:37Yasi Salek?

  Crystal Castles, yeah.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Neece Lee is whatever. World Peace, I feel like, does this thing where it's like, the references are from that era, but like not cool.

• 54:46Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  Like the detritus that like, people wanna forget, like Darwin Diaz, group love, like, um.

• 54:55Yasi Salek?

  People really are still thinking about group love, I think.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Well, not me. I was trying to forget.

• 55:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I thought, I think they had some good, great songs.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  Um.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  But anyway, like, it's, it's this really.

• 55:12Yasi Salek?

  Like Edward Sharp and the Magnetic Heroes.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, but then, but then it also kind of sounds like, like Sung Tongs, you know?

• 55:18Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  And I, I was just like, lo-, just like last year, a friend just put me onto that record and then I just found that I couldn't stop listening to it. Like, it's so euphoric and funny and like ironic, but not in a way that makes me feel empty inside.

• 55:33Yasi Salek?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Um, and then The Fem Cells album as well, it's like kind of a lot more kind of like glitchy and like hyperactive and, and poppy and stuff, but I think they're like actually really funny writers. Um, the project itself is a bit crazy. Like I went to their like album launch.

• 55:50Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Early this year and they just hit play on the album and then just kind of danced and like half-heartedly pretended to lip sync.

• 55:56Yasi Salek?

  Love that.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  Um.

• 55:57Yasi Salek?

  Go on, go on, sis, give us nothing.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, and then I saw them also again, Charli XCX brought them out to show a couple of months ago. Um, and I think that kind of did like a similar thing, but.

• 56:09Yasi Salek?

  You know what I was thinking of when I was listening to them and I really did like it? It's like horny, moldy peaches, but on speed.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, so people, so people, so people are calling it laptop tweet.

• 56:24Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's like freak folk, but like, like, computerized.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, which, yeah, which I like.

• 56:32Yasi Salek?

  Digital freak folk.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, which I like, yeah.

• 56:36Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  And I guess much in the same way, much in the same way that a lot of people fucking hated freak folk, I think a lot of people just like will not give this a bar, you know?

• 56:45Yasi Salek?

  I am a huge proponent of freak folk.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  As am I.

• 56:48Yasi Salek?

  Very funnily, like, I just thought of it, cause my friend Patrick Seabrook has been on the show many times. We've been traveling together. I don't know why we're talking about, I kept bringing up Alabama, Arkansas, you know, and he was like, s- say their name. It was just so funny the way he said it, like as if it was like a victim of a crime. I was like, okay, Edward Sharp is my, but I think I was, that was not what I was talking about, cause I don't need to, no one needs to defend that, but I was trying to, I was talking about Neutral Milk Hotel and he was like, I just absolutely cannot fucking do that. And I was like, I need you to understand, I don't need you to like it, but I need you to not put it in the same category as like the Mumford Ensons, because we are talking about.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  It is different. It's like, it's not, Neutral Milk Hotel especially is like, it's not stump clap.

• 57:35Yasi Salek?

  No, it's like psychotic. It's like, uh, it's like insane. It's an insane, it's very like out, out, it's outsider art, you know, like, it's like a guy who was obsessed with Anne Frank.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:47Yasi Salek?

  And loves God and like took a banjo and made this like psychotically beautiful, to me anyways, work of art. Like, it's nothing, it, it, it might have wrought a bit of that, you know?

• 57:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think probably a lot of people took the wrong lessons from it.

• 58:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, the washboard.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:05Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. And you, you feel that people are not fucking with The Fem Cells.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  No.

• 58:10Yasi Salek?

  Due to their aversion, not to Neutral Milk Hotel, but freak folk in general.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Well, I've, I've tried to be like, oh, I think this Fem Cells record is really good. And people will be like, oh, like, aren't they just kind of like irony poisoned, you know, edge lords? And it's like, well, I guess you would think that from their name.

• 58:25Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  But I find the music so much more.

• 58:28Yasi Salek?

  I think the name is so clever, actually.

• 58:29Speaker 03

  The Fem Cells.

• 58:30Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  I guess.

• 58:32Yasi Salek?

  I love it.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  But like, uh, it's like, it's so much more earnest and like, so much more like real music than, than it would imply, you know?

• 58:43Yasi Salek?

  I think it's great.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:44Yasi Salek?

  Huge fan.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  I'm really caught into it.

• 58:46Yasi Salek?

  Um, all right, what have I got for you? The Healing Power of Horses.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:54Yasi Salek?

  I love it. I do, I, I do tend to think that people use the term trip hop a bit too liberally. Would you agree with this statement?

• 59:04Speaker 03

  I would, I would, but then also, I feel like it's ill-defined even when you go back and start thinking about.

• 59:11Yasi Salek?

  Because it's not real.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:13Yasi Salek?

  It was never a real, yeah.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  Totally. Like hyperpop, like, yeah, my good one would be how hyperpop is never real.

• 59:18Yasi Salek?

  But I kind of do feel like The Healing Power of Horses does qualify as trip hop, to me.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:27Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Like, at first I was like, I don't know. And then I was like, no, there's like a distinct sensibility. I mean, to me, what I think about when I think about trip hop is the nineties. So I'm like, a, a distinct type of nineties electronic based music. And I'm like, I hear it here. Um.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's a, it's a little bit Kill Yourself Core as well.

• 59:46Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 59:46Speaker 03

  But like, uh.

• 59:48Yasi Salek?

  But with a beat.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, like this band, it's like, it's like a bit like sexy, but like, but like unpleasant.

• 59:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, they're also like really mysterious. They have no, like, it's, you might know, cause you're more tapped in, but like, there's no information about who is in this band. They're not, their photos are like super up close, where you can't see their faces. Um, I don't know what, why, but I'm, I guess that's cool.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like a lot of bands are just doing the mysterious thing again, which is like, just a whole, I guess it's just a whole different thing.

• 1:00:22Yasi Salek?

  They're, I mean, couldn't be my love attention. Um, they are signed to the same label as R I P Magic.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  Um, with Section.

• 1:00:30Yasi Salek?

  Section One, which is sort of a partner of Partizan.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  Offshoot of, offshoot of Partizan.

• 1:00:36Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  With a lot of, with lots of money.

• 1:00:38Yasi Salek?

  Partizan is killing it. Um, is it, you think the money is because of Partizan?

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  Well, Partizan, I feel like, cause it's like one of the newer indie labels.

• 1:00:46Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  Everyone, all the like old indie labels kind of see it as this kind of like, even if it's not necessarily like V C funded, they see it as like the equivalent of like V C money coming into indie.

• 1:00:57Yasi Salek?

  Cigarettes after sex funded.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Well, no, that's, no, but then.

• 1:00:59Yasi Salek?

  If I had to guess.

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  Well, that's what I always say. It's like, yeah, no, it's just like they.

• 1:01:02Yasi Salek?

  They just hit it big with like one really good, not, whatever, one really.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Idols.

• 1:01:07Yasi Salek?

  Geese.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like, they, they just like know how to pick him.

• 1:01:10Yasi Salek?

  My beloved blonde shell is signed to them.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  Commercial level.

• 1:01:14Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. P G Harvey is on Partizan now.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:16Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:01:17Yasi Salek?

  I think they're great. I think they're, they seem to be a really great label and they seem to be really artist supportive and I like, like, just, you know, in our world of dealing with labels, like I quite like dealing with them. I think the people that work there are really cool.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm, I'm really, I, I like.

• 1:01:31Yasi Salek?

  And pro Partizan. I don't know anyone at Section One, but I'm into like all their signings.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. As am I. I, I'm pro Partizan.

• 1:01:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I'm pro Partizan.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  It's just always, I'm sure you, I'm sure you get this, people just always act weird when you bring them up.

• 1:01:45Yasi Salek?

  I don't talk to anybody.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:01:49Yasi Salek?

  I never bring up Partizan, it never comes up in conversation.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:52Yasi Salek?

  Um, but anyways, I love the Healing Power Forces. I've listened to a bunch of their, whatever they have out, it's not a lot, it's like a couple of singles, but um, they have an EP.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  They're one of those ones where I've been.

• 1:02:04Yasi Salek?

  You meant to.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  No, like I've, I've listened to a couple of songs and then it was always just kind of a wait and see for me.

• 1:02:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  You know, I reckon they could either, I could either end up really liking it or end up being like, you're, and part of that is the anonymous thing.

• 1:02:17Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  I find it a little difficult.

• 1:02:20Yasi Salek?

  I need something to grab on to.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  And also because sometimes I'm like, what is the function of this? Like, is it to keep me interested maybe when there's not as much there as you?

• 1:02:30Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  Saying there is. And I don't know whether that's true, but it's like, I'm always just be, I'm always just being a cynic about these things. So I'm always, that's why I'm always like, let me wait until there's more to grab on to, cause otherwise what am I responding to? Cause you know, I'm just, I'm a, I'm a lemming.

• 1:02:45Yasi Salek?

  I love that you're a cynic. I'm the opposite. I'm like Pollyanna. I'm like, this is great. Love it. I love that I don't know what you are. Um, but also I, what you're saying is totally right in the sense that like, I could fully forget about this band. All, honestly, a lot of what we've talked about, because what we're talking about now is like largely early stage bands that only have like a little bit of music out. So like, I'm excited by like a couple of songs, but it's gonna take a full album.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Yasi Salek?

  To make me like committed to the project.

• 1:03:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it reminds me of, and actually, you know, lately, I'm, I'm interested to know whether you've been feeling this way as well. The past like s- maybe like year or so, it's really been reminding me of like early twenty teens, like early kind of like blog music era. No, no, not even blog house, but like, you know, when like one single could like get best in music and then suddenly everyone was like, oh, this band, this band, this band. And then they'd release like three really good singles and then they'd totally fall off a cliff or like.

• 1:03:51Yasi Salek?

  I was not paying attention during that time.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I just remember there were so many bands who would be like, oh my God, they'd have like one great song and suddenly all the blogs would be writing about them. Then

• 1:04:00Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  They'd be like, you know, hipster runoff, they'd be like the main character for like three weeks. And then they'd kind of like disappear for a while.

• 1:04:08Yasi Salek?

  Yes, there is one version of this that I ha- I still listen to the one song all the time. It's a classics remix, Yacht.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, yeah.

• 1:04:18Yasi Salek?

  Psychic City Classics Remix is just an eternal banger, but I could not tell you one other yacht song. And yacht was totally one of those main characters of hipster runoff for a while, right?

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  Because we were talking about this the other day, because they.

• 1:04:28Yasi Salek?

  Yacht was lightly cancelled.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  They were lightly cancelled for pretending that someone had, uh, broken into their hard drive and leaked their sex tape. And then they were like, no, we leaked it. We leaked it ourselves.

• 1:04:39Yasi Salek?

  Wow, we're really, we're really keeping the ancient texts alive here. Um, damn, nobody remembers that.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Nah, I remember.

• 1:04:47Yasi Salek?

  You remember. Um, okay. So I know what you're talking about. There was like a whole era of like.

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  But there was an era where, where it was like, people could get so interested based on like one single.

• 1:04:56Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  And I feel like that, that's happening again now a little bit, whereas like someone will release a single and suddenly it'll be like, bam, like everyone's like so excited about it.

• 1:05:05Yasi Salek?

  Why do you think that is? Do you think there's just like a hunger for newness?

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that, I think the, I think there's like a lot of money flowing in and out of indie music now again, after maybe like a, a brief period of, obviously it's been that way for, for a while, you know, there's been, but like, I don't know, I feel like there's just similar to the early twenty teens, it's like the the kind of rail between like indie music and like the mainstream is like the thinnest it's ever been again.

• 1:05:39Yasi Salek?

  Well, yeah, because even the one we talked about, Mary in the Junkyard.

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Yasi Salek?

  That All My Friends label is somehow virgin.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Yasi Salek?

  Right? So it's like.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  Well, it's, yeah.

• 1:05:52Yasi Salek?

  It's back to the thing where it's like, a lot of things are major labels.

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Yasi Salek?

  In disguise.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Yasi Salek?

  Maybe not even disguised, but like a emissary.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  No, totally, yeah.

• 1:06:05Yasi Salek?

  Which is great, cause they have funding, you know? I would not begrudge any band funding.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  No, no, what I.

• 1:06:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, well, take, reveal the masks, the Healing Power Forces. Actually, also just really like the name of the band.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:22Yasi Salek?

  Um, all right, what do you got?

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  We can do these ones together. They're, they're ones that I, um, added this morning.

• 1:06:30Yasi Salek?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  While you're, while you're getting in full beat.

• 1:06:35Yasi Salek?

  I really liked Kieran Leonard. Are you gonna talk about Kieran Leonard?

• 1:06:38Speaker 03

  Oh, we can talk about.

• 1:06:38Yasi Salek?

  I loved Kieran Leonard.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. So Kieran Leonard, I've, I put on two songs because like what he does kind of like spans like.

• 1:06:46Yasi Salek?

  One was with a collaborator.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. So one is All Sobri Blau, which he does with this guy, Ubaldo.

• 1:06:53Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  And that's kind of like an ambient guitar project released on Strom, which is like my favorite label in the world right now.

• 1:07:00Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  This Belgian label that's putting out like so much amazing experimental music. Um, but also like, yeah. But anyway, so that, that album came out early this year. I really, really like it. Um, he also released a record two years ago called, um, let me find its name, called Real Home, which is kind of like more traditional, almost like Jonathan Richman-y, like, um, indie rock.

• 1:07:26Yasi Salek?

  It sounded more, like I was like, it's kind of Smithsy.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:29Yasi Salek?

  It might also be his vocal.

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:31Yasi Salek?

  Tone is very like, maybe not tone, maybe it's his like delivery.

• 1:07:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Yasi Salek?

  But it's a little more a s yesk.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Yasi Salek?

  It's a yes for me, you know?

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  Um, and then he also plays on the My New Band Believe record.

• 1:07:43Yasi Salek?

  Okay, and that's your best friend.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 1:07:47Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  Um, that's a friend, but I feel like again, but kind of became friends after.

• 1:07:52Yasi Salek?

  After you were a fan.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  After I was a fan. Yeah, Kieran Leonard, kind of like, uh, Wonderkins, kind of like teenage Wonderkins.

• 1:08:01Yasi Salek?

  He's young.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Well, no, he started, when he started releasing music.

• 1:08:04Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  Maybe like ten years ago, he was like, I think he was like fourteen or sixteen or something. And right, making these like really complex, kind of like crazy.

• 1:08:13Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  Indie rock songs.

• 1:08:14Yasi Salek?

  Okay, awesome.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Um, but yeah, just like, has a lot of different guises and modes and stuff, but it's just like really talented. I've been just like very interested in like what he.

• 1:08:24Yasi Salek?

  I'm on Kieran Leonard watch now.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Yasi Salek?

  Thanks to you. Do you wanna talk a little bit about My New Band Believes?

• 1:08:31Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:08:31Yasi Salek?

  That is, the, it was Black Midi.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:08:36Yasi Salek?

  But Black Midi doesn't exist anymore.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  Hmm hmm.

• 1:08:39Yasi Salek?

  They had a big not existing situation.

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:42Yasi Salek?

  Okay. But Black Midi was super popular.

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  Super popular. I never cared for it.

• 1:08:47Yasi Salek?

  And I didn't also, I didn't connect with it, but it was like massive, right? It was, did they get like Mercury Prize shortlisted or something? It feels like they did.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  I don't know. Again, it was a little before my time in the UK, but I, I never liked it really. Just like not the kind of, I always felt it was like a bit, it's like too smart.

• 1:09:05Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:09:05Speaker 03

  Or something.

• 1:09:06Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Um, for my pea brain, but also in a way that was like smart about its smartness kind of. Um, and then I happened to be at Genghis Cohen.

• 1:09:18Yasi Salek?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  Um, and.

• 1:09:20Yasi Salek?

  Great.

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  Cam, My New Band Believe was playing a solo show. Maybe this was like maybe two years ago or like early last year.

• 1:09:28Yasi Salek?

  So the old, my Genghis Cohen on Fairfax? They relocated?

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  I thought it just shut down.

• 1:09:33Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  Okay, cool.

• 1:09:34Yasi Salek?

  Reopened.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, so the old one, um, and I was like, holy, so I went to the show. I was like, holy shit, this is like amazing, like kind of like, to me, to me, it reminded me of like Joanna Newsom and like.

• 1:09:48Yasi Salek?

  I love Joanna.

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, like really kind of like proggy, like lyrically dense and like beautiful, like folk music, that kind of thing. Um, and then this year he released, uh, his debut album as My New Band Believe.

• 1:10:01Yasi Salek?

  Right. Clever.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, and it's like, again, like it still reminds me of that, but also like a bunch of other kind of like crazy stuff, like a lot of kind of like proggy, like British folk from the seventies and like.

• 1:10:14Yasi Salek?

  Very like, the song you put on is called Actress.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:18Yasi Salek?

  It's nine minutes long.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Yasi Salek?

  Loved every second of it.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  And it's like a banger, but it's like, it was like a banger.

• 1:10:23Yasi Salek?

  But it was the one where I, when I first was listening, I wasn't paying attention. I was like, is this an old, really old song?

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28Yasi Salek?

  Because it does sound like it's, it could be like straight from the seventies.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:31Yasi Salek?

  Um, but also it's like, I need to be sitting beside a window, mooning, gazing wistfully, drinking a, like a thick bodied red wine and smoking a cigarette, having interiority.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  But then also kind of like falling down a hill, you know, like when it get, when it really gets into it at the end.

• 1:10:49Yasi Salek?

  Tumbling down the, yeah.

• 1:10:51Speaker 03

  Um, it's just, I just think like, that's probably the record I've like returned to most this year, just in terms of like, I find it like so smart lyrically, so complex and interesting. Yeah. And then, yeah, so Kieran Leonard contributes to that record as well.

• 1:11:07Yasi Salek?

  And Cam Pickton was in Caroline.

• 1:11:10Speaker 03

  No, he was in Black Midi.

• 1:11:11Yasi Salek?

  He was in Black Midi.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  But a bunch of Caroline, a bunch of people who have like play on this album. So it's all coming back, all coming back around.

• 1:11:20Yasi Salek?

  Um, great.

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  And then the other Black Midi guy, Jordy Grape.

• 1:11:26Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  He released an album last year, which I also liked, not as much. It kind of like has a kind of like Liza Minnelli goes to Brazil thing going on. Um, or like, or like Judy Garland goes to Brazil thing going on, sorry.

• 1:11:40Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:11:42Yasi Salek?

  Her mother, not her daughter.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, which I like, but it's also, but I don't, I don't like it as much, but I, but I also think it's good.

• 1:11:53Yasi Salek?

  Gorge. Love that. Um, why do I have so many on my list? How do I? I find so many bands. Okay, this one is interesting. Um, The North, do you know this?

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  Only from listening to it on your playlist.

• 1:12:07Yasi Salek?

  It is a Leeds based or from Leeds four piece. One of the guys in my research, the guitarist, his name is Kobe Graves. It said he was discovered on TikTok playing Stone Roses covers. So we didn't manage to bring it back here. Maybe this is the clo- The North is the closest to someone kind of taking up the mantle of like Brit pop. Not that the Stone Roses is Brit pop, but whatever they helped bring rock Brit pop. Um, I really like this song. It's like very. It's kind of straightforward rock, but with like a slight early two thousands tinge to it.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  I remember thinking it's probably of everything in our lists combined. It's probably the the most like enemy. Like classic like enemy.

• 1:13:03Yasi Salek?

  Which we don't have a lot of that on here, but this probably is that.

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  And I also thought it was just really bold that they're just calling the band The North.

• 1:13:21Yasi Salek?

  So great.

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:22Yasi Salek?

  They are on the same label as Wonderhorse, a label called Communion, which I think a couple of the other artists that I have on my list are also on Communion.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  I don't know anything about that label.

• 1:13:32Yasi Salek?

  I think it might be one of those major label in disguise or like subsidiary situations. Anyways, I really like The North. I really like, well, anyways, I really like that song. I don't know. They've only put out an EP.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  You know who was on Communion Records?

• 1:13:47Yasi Salek?

  Who?

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  Edward Chaff and the Magnetic Series.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 1:13:54Yasi Salek?

  My ma and pa.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  Catfish and the Bottlemen, Deep Valley.

• 1:13:59Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, Deep Valley.

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:14:00Yasi Salek?

  Wait, is Communion an American label?

• 1:14:04Yasi Salek?

  Aren't these, those are all American bands. Deep Valley is an American band.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  No, it was British. It was British, yeah.

• 1:14:09Yasi Salek?

  The two girls?

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, no, but no, but Deep Valley is American.

• 1:14:12Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, they were just signing.

• 1:14:14Yasi Salek?

  Got it. Okay. You know what's another one that is maybe a little enemy-esque, so I'll just group it in here?

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:20Yasi Salek?

  But I actually really like them is Lime Garden.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's another one on So Young Records, I think. Yeah.

• 1:14:26Yasi Salek?

  Uh, they're a Brighton, from Brighton indie band. Um, all women. Um, and it's, yeah, it's very like girl power. But like in a, in a really cool way, it also kind of reminds me of like, it's girl punk, which I like, you know?

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:45Yasi Salek?

  I don't, I don't mean that to sound reductive, but you know what I'm saying?

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  I know, I know what you mean.

• 1:14:49Yasi Salek?

  It's not a, it's a compliment. Um. I really like the, their album that came out. They have, this is their second album. Maybe Not Tonight came out this year. Um, they're real good. What you got?

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  We could talk about the twins and, um, Mohammed Adam.

• 1:15:12Yasi Salek?

  Is that another country, money, money, money, money?

• 1:15:14Speaker 03

  No, no, no. The twins and Mohammed Adam, Mohammed Adam, however you pronounce it. Um, so the twins are a duo from Leicester.

• 1:15:25Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  Making just like kind of fried, like crazy electronic music.

• 1:15:30Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Um, I'm, I think they have like an NTS show that is kind of like a hub for a lot of this like music made by kind of. Young South Asians from Leicester.

• 1:15:42Yasi Salek?

  That's cool.

• 1:15:42Speaker 03

  A lot of like crazy electronic music. Um, my friend George sent me this a couple of months ago and I've been trying to like scrape the surface. And get deeper into it, but I still.

• 1:15:51Yasi Salek?

  Is it your friend George XCX?

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  My friend George Connolly, do you know him?

• 1:15:57Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  But, uh, yeah, he, he works at Young, um, and he just like sent me a few of these things. And it's just like kind of crazy, like weird, like nerve fried, like electronic.

• 1:16:13Yasi Salek?

  I, I was, I didn't have a chance to listen to the twins, but I, I listened to the Mohammed Adam song you put on Asian Boy and I loved it.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 1:16:20Yasi Salek?

  It's awesome.

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  It's really crazy. Yeah, it reminds me.

• 1:16:23Yasi Salek?

  Also, the album art is psychotic.

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:25Yasi Salek?

  Album art looks like a guy would have handed me that, like, as a mixtape for five dollars in New York when I was living there in the early two thousands.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  Right, but it, it was, and the sound is kind of like A-Rap music or something. Like, it's like, got that crazy, like, freaky, like. Feel to it.

• 1:16:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's awesome.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Yasi Salek?

  I'm excited to listen to the other one that you mentioned. Um, what about another country, dollar, dollar, dollar, dollar?

• 1:16:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm really, I don't know anything about them, really. Um, I think it's a, I think it's a them rather than a one person, but.

• 1:17:03Yasi Salek?

  A duo?

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:05Yasi Salek?

  Sam Shorter and Ollie Knight.

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  But, yeah, it's just like really vibey, like, almost like subliminal, like, dance music.

• 1:17:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I liked it.

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  Um, I think they're from Manchester.

• 1:17:15Yasi Salek?

  They are.

• 1:17:16Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, it's one of those ones that I think I put off listening to for a long time.

• 1:17:25Yasi Salek?

  Why?

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  Because sometimes when you hear people.

• 1:17:29Yasi Salek?

  Talk too much about something.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  Talk too much about something and like a certain kind of person, like, you know, I'm sure you have this. Do you have like people in your life who, when they recommend something to you, it's like alarm bells and you're like, well, I'm not going like that?

• 1:17:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I think I was hearing from a few people like that.

• 1:17:44Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:17:45Speaker 03

  But I'm really into it. It's like very, feels like a very contemporary. Form of like current British dance music in that it's really kind of like cheeky and like dirty and like subliminal. Like, um, if you're, are you familiar with the song Sex Life by Tracy?

• 1:18:04Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  So that can, that came out a couple of years ago on this label called Eighty Ninety Three. That's a British label that puts out like James Kay.

• 1:18:12Yasi Salek?

  Oh, okay, I really like James Kay.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, James Kay and like Moyn and a, and a few other bands like that. Um, so Tracy have this, had this EP with this song called Sex Life. And it was kind of like a big, like, underground, like, hit here. Um, and to me, the, the, another country music kind of fits into that world of like. Really like, it's like dance music, but you kind of almost can't feel, you almost can't like hear the beats or whatever.

• 1:18:38Yasi Salek?

  I get what you're saying. Yeah, I did really like it. I didn't, again, some people added it last minute and a long time to listen to it, but, um, did like it when I was listening to it. It makes me pleased in my heart that there's like still a big Manchester electronic music scene.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, um.

• 1:18:55Yasi Salek?

  I like that.

• 1:18:55Speaker 03

  Well, there's like, actually, it's, they, they've just announced it's changing ownership, but there was, especially over the last few years, there was this club.

• 1:19:02Yasi Salek?

  The White Hotel.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  Hotel that people were like really obsessed with that I never got to make it to, but.

• 1:19:07Yasi Salek?

  How far is Manchester from London?

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  Maybe like two hours on the train.

• 1:19:10Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I love it there. I think it's so good.

• 1:19:13Yasi Salek?

  Really? I've never been.

• 1:19:15Speaker 03

  You would really like it. It's like, it's like got a cool vibe. There's one really good pub that you would love.

• 1:19:20Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:19:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's really good there. Um, but, yeah, so the white, the people who run, run the White Hotel. Also put on this festival that just had its first iteration called The Black Lights in Blackpool. It was supposed to be amazing. It's like.

• 1:19:35Yasi Salek?

  Oh, you didn't go?

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  No, no, but, um, but my friends did and like, it's all this crazy experimental music kind of descending on this. Uh, like seaside amusement town, basically. Yeah, so it's kind of like, if like a bunch of like noise. Projects were playing in like Coney Island or something. Yeah.

• 1:19:52Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Oh, that's sick. What a genius idea. I'm gonna talk about A Thousand Rabbits.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  This to me, this, this to me, very indicative of a certain kind of current young British music.

• 1:20:07Yasi Salek?

  Okay, I'm, I'd like you to say more. There's something for me about this that is like very. Lilith Fair side stage, like the music video is a carnival.

• 1:20:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, well.

• 1:20:21Yasi Salek?

  But that's a very positive thing for me.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  Like, you know, like fiddles and like.

• 1:20:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  Uh, big orchestration and, yeah.

• 1:20:28Yasi Salek?

  But it's also like a little unexpected in what I, like where the songs go. I like it. They're on Young, which you mentioned earlier.

• 1:20:39Speaker 03

  So Young.

• 1:20:40Yasi Salek?

  No, Young.

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  They're on Young.

• 1:20:42Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  How interesting to me.

• 1:20:44Yasi Salek?

  Uh, how interesting to you. Um, I think they're really good. So you think that there's a lot of Lilith Fair Carnival music video core going on in the UK?

• 1:20:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I would say, I would say, um, Mary and the Junkyard are almost adjacent to that.

• 1:20:56Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  Little bit, but then there's bands like Man, Woman, Chainsaw.

• 1:20:59Yasi Salek?

  Yes, Man, Woman, Chainsaw, who I do like. I really liked the single and then the album didn't hit for me as much as the single did.

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  Not really for me.

• 1:21:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, this, I love the single, whatever the single was called. I was really into that song. Um, but the album is not so much like the single.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  But, yeah, almost like really like.

• 1:21:18Yasi Salek?

  Is it too art, arty for you?

• 1:21:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's almost like, like art rock. Maybe you described it as just like art rock, like.

• 1:21:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:25Speaker 03

  Having like a bunch of like violins and horns and, and stuff.

• 1:21:29Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. I don't, listen, I don't mind a lot of violins and horns if executed properly.

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Yasi Salek?

  If, cause the thing about, for me with A Thousand Rabbits is this music is still catchy.

• 1:21:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, and also es- especially in, like, in a lot of the songs, I feel like it's used really judiciously.

• 1:21:45Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  With A Thousand Rabbits, yeah.

• 1:21:47Yasi Salek?

  Anyways, I'm a fan. What you got, dog?

• 1:21:50Speaker 03

  Maybe, um, the sound chalk makes.

• 1:21:53Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:54Speaker 03

  So it's like cool, like electronic hip hop.

• 1:21:59Yasi Salek?

  Yes.

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  The way I discovered this was, and I think the way every, lots of people discovered this, which was very unusual for me, cause usually. If I'm like seeing music on like reels, I'm just flipping past.

• 1:22:12Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:22:13Speaker 03

  But the way he kind of like broke out, I think, were the, are these like videos of him. So he's like a, an Indian exchange student living in London. And these videos of him in like stairwells and stuff of like council flats, just like rapping along to the songs.

• 1:22:28Yasi Salek?

  So cool.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  But you're just like, but you're just like, in addition to it being kind of like a weird image, you're just like, oh my god, this song is like so good as well.

• 1:22:46Yasi Salek?

  At least in my algorithm, I don't ever really see people using reels to do something like that.

• 1:22:53Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:22:53Yasi Salek?

  They're, like, if I see music on reels, it's largely like covers, yeah, or like, you know, something with a joke. Or something, or like a lens on it, like, oh, these like three guys cover alt. Rock songs, but they're like, you know, three black guys from the hood or whatever.

• 1:23:11Speaker 03

  Or like, you know, the, the, do you ever get the hot chick in the bikini who's got the, um.

• 1:23:15Yasi Salek?

  Doesn't come to Malibu.

• 1:23:18Yasi Salek?

  A flute?

• 1:23:18Speaker 03

  No, the little like chintzy synthesizer when she's like covering songs, like stuff like.

• 1:23:23Yasi Salek?

  No, yeah, it's all, it's all gimmicky, exactly.

• 1:23:26Speaker 03

  And this is, look, in its own way, it's gimmicky as well, but I was like, it's just so rare for me to like flick into one of those and be like, oh, I wonder what this song is. Um, yeah, and I, it's, I'm just like, oh, it's just like really fun and. Um, I'm into it and I don't really know. I know that he hasn't like played shows, but he's done, he's like thrown like house parties. Which either is or is not cool. I haven't decided yet because I haven't had the chance to go to one.

• 1:23:56Yasi Salek?

  I think it's cool.

• 1:23:57Speaker 03

  I think it's cool, but it also could be super lame, but then I'm also like, I don't think it matters if the music is good.

• 1:24:02Yasi Salek?

  You mean like that a house party could be not fun?

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  No, I mean that like.

• 1:24:06Yasi Salek?

  His performance could be bad.

• 1:24:07Speaker 03

  Just making your thing like, oh, like, I don't, I don't, I haven't been playing shows, I'm only, it's again, it's the artifice thing.

• 1:24:14Yasi Salek?

  Do you think it's artifice or do you think it's just like, he can't get shows booked, so he started doing it this way?

• 1:24:19Speaker 03

  I, well, you know, like, like a publicist invited me to one. So, yeah, so it's like, you know, tha- that's my hope, my thing is like, cause you know, like the thing with like the anonymity thing.

• 1:24:29Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:29Speaker 03

  Like stuff that's like super on the internet or whatever. And like, eventually like if you blow up enough, you will have to engage with these economies anyway. And then I find that that is often like the make or break moment. It's like suddenly all the hype dissipates when people see you can't really perform on a normal stage.

• 1:24:45Yasi Salek?

  It's funny because I wouldn't have pegged you for someone who's like a stickler for authenticity, because that's like such an older person thing to be.

• 1:24:51Speaker 03

  I'm not really, but I, but it's, it's like, it's not even authenticity. I'm just like, is this all just a bunch of faff before?

• 1:24:59Yasi Salek?

  Right, right.

• 1:24:59Speaker 03

  You know.

• 1:25:00Yasi Salek?

  Like you can have a gimmick if you can back it up with.

• 1:25:06Speaker 03

  I think the songs just have to be good and stay good. Cause like, I don't mind a gimmick.

• 1:25:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  But sometimes, you know, and, and this is like, again, it's so cynical. Sometimes I feel like a lot of all this is, is I'm being like, okay, great. Keep driving the price up, then sell. And then let's see what happens. You know what I mean?

• 1:25:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah. Build up the hype so that you can get a good deal.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  Deal possible. And then I feel like that point is often when things like fall off a cliff.

• 1:25:33Yasi Salek?

  Right, because it's all being held together with like tape and popsicle sticks or whatever.

• 1:25:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, or, or just that, you know, like a, a few singles is all it can really support.

• 1:25:44Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  You know, and, and again, this is like so cynical.

• 1:25:48Yasi Salek?

  Well, I think.

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  But also I feel like we're in a time where you have to be really cynical about indie music.

• 1:25:52Yasi Salek?

  Cause there's a lot to sift through.

• 1:25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and as we said, like a lot is like secretly funded by majors and like a lot is like, you know, a lot is like really derivative for them acting as if it's not and like, which again, I don't mind. Like I really like when stuff sounds a lot like something old.

• 1:26:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  But I just feel like there's also a lot of like, oh my God, this is like this totally new radical thing.

• 1:26:14Yasi Salek?

  Right, which is never, the, nothing is that.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel, I feel like I just like, sometimes, sometimes I just feel like, you know, like indie music joker. I'm just like, oh, like, like shut up, like stop, you know, you know what I mean?

• 1:26:27Yasi Salek?

  You can't, you can't get into the weeds of the, the PR emails.

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I have to, but.

• 1:26:33Yasi Salek?

  I know.

• 1:26:34Speaker 03

  Try not to.

• 1:26:34Yasi Salek?

  I don't, I, I ca- I do a thing called PR email roulette.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  Will you just?

• 1:26:39Yasi Salek?

  Every once in a while, I click on a random one and, and like press play and then I'm like, no. Or I'm like, yes. Every once in a while it does yield something good.

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  If I'm in a really good mood, I'll listen to something totally cold from a PR.

• 1:26:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  Most of the time it's like.

• 1:26:52Yasi Salek?

  I do it sometimes. Yeah, it's often very bad. Okay. I like Blood Wizard. Did you listen to Blood Wizard?

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Let me look, I have to.

• 1:26:59Yasi Salek?

  Are you checking your PR emails right now?

• 1:27:01Speaker 03

  Oh no, I, yeah, I did listen to Blood Wizard. I liked Blood Wizard as well.

• 1:27:05Yasi Salek?

  I, I saw people kind of compared it a little to Kurt Vile.

• 1:27:09Yasi Salek?

  But at first I was like, what? And then I listened, I was like, oh yeah, it's like if Kurt Vile was really into synths.

• 1:27:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:15Yasi Salek?

  Like the, like storytelling quality of the like, of the lyrics and the delivery of the vocals is similar to what he does, but the music is not at all similar.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:27:27Yasi Salek?

  It's like over a completely different musical conceit, but people really, should we? I'm, I want to get to the bottom of why, why is folk having such a resurgence?

• 1:27:39Speaker 03

  Um, in what sense? Cause I wouldn't, cause I wouldn't necessarily consider this like folk.

• 1:27:43Yasi Salek?

  I would consider it that it's taking from folk.

• 1:27:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:47Yasi Salek?

  As one of its like paints.

• 1:27:50Yasi Salek?

  And a lot of the things we've talked about have been like incorporating elements of folk in like the sort of like new radical thing that they're doing.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  Or like.

• 1:28:00Yasi Salek?

  Or Americana.

• 1:28:01Speaker 03

  In the kind of like wobbly voice, so.

• 1:28:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, or the fiddle or the whatever, you know, like.

• 1:28:06Speaker 03

  That's, that's an interesting one. I never thought about these things as necessarily deriving from folk.

• 1:28:11Yasi Salek?

  Okay. What did you think they derived from?

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:28:13Yasi Salek?

  Country?

• 1:28:14Speaker 03

  I, I guess some of them I would, I would be thinking of having filtered down from kind of like Americana-ish indie rock stuff.

• 1:28:22Yasi Salek?

  Which is, which I do think like a lot of the music I've been hearing, it's in a lot of the British music I've been hearing where I'm like, damn, did like David Berman get really popular here once or something? And then like.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I'm also like a lot of these, a lot of younger bands, especially I feel like, you know, kind of like Wednesday, MJ London has had like a big.

• 1:28:43Yasi Salek?

  I was gonna say, is it like the MJ London and Wednesday effect?

• 1:28:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and Alex G as well, like.

• 1:28:48Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, how, she's like a huge blind spot for me, which is weird because I know it's really good. I don't know why it's just like.

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  She's like a contender of like a lot of like young bands.

• 1:28:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I gotta get, does this ever happen to you that like an artist just, you miss it completely and then you just never, I just never listened?

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:04Yasi Salek?

  And so whenever, and, and now it's such a reference point.

• 1:29:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Yasi Salek?

  But I don't know what anyone's talking about and I could just educate myself, but I just haven't.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  I can make you a playlist.

• 1:29:12Yasi Salek?

  Okay, great. That'd be awesome.

• 1:29:13Speaker 03

  Um, it's, it's really good.

• 1:29:15Yasi Salek?

  I believe it. It's, I'm, zero percent of this is avoidance because I don't like it. It's just like, it never crossed my desk in a meaningful way. And then by the time it was time, I felt too late to the game, you know, that I was like, well, okay, miss that one, you know?

• 1:29:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Yasi Salek?

  Um.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  No, that happens to me all the time.

• 1:29:32Yasi Salek?

  Anyways, I love, I really like Blood Wizard. That's, this is a good version of it to me and, uh, I know that they like Slint, which I think is cool.

• 1:29:42Speaker 03

  What are your?

• 1:29:43Yasi Salek?

  Okay. Well, speaking of post-rock or whatever, post-hardcore, I like this band Cobb. Did you listen to that one? That's the one I was like, Shaad's not gonna like this.

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought it was fine.

• 1:29:51Yasi Salek?

  Did you like it? Okay. It's very like, it is a bit.

• 1:29:54Speaker 03

  It was in that, it was in that stretch that was, that felt very American.

• 1:29:58Yasi Salek?

  See, this one to me felt very like Ian Curtis's DNA is flowing through the like menacing feel of it a little bit and like, there's a bit of, not that he did talk thing, there's a talk thing and there's synths. But it's also like a fucking rocker. This is my rockers. You guys, you want like a heavy rocking music? This is a post-hardcore. I thought it was good. The, they seem to only have one song out and it's called Breathing.

• 1:30:24Yasi Salek?

  Check it out. Get it on the ground floor of Cobb.

• 1:30:27Speaker 03

  You should, you should become like an, an anoff like British label.

• 1:30:30Yasi Salek?

  People always said this, but it feels like a hard job.

• 1:30:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, you have to really.

• 1:30:35Yasi Salek?

  I don't like to go out.

• 1:30:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, you have to really wind down people, yeah.

• 1:30:38Yasi Salek?

  And I'm not going out at night.

• 1:30:41Yasi Salek?

  So.

• 1:30:42Speaker 03

  They're going to shows unless the capacity is twenty thousand and you're in a box seat.

• 1:30:46Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, kind of.

• 1:30:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:48Yasi Salek?

  I went to see Ice Age the other night. That was great.

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:30:51Yasi Salek?

  That was so good.

• 1:30:51Speaker 03

  Love to see them on this, this album's so.

• 1:30:54Yasi Salek?

  This album is, I, everyone knows I've talked about it.

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  I don't think there's been a bad Ice Age album personally.

• 1:30:59Yasi Salek?

  I agree.

• 1:30:59Speaker 03

  I love all of their records, but this one, I'm like, like match head girl. I'm like, we're like.

• 1:31:04Yasi Salek?

  This one is gunning for my album of the year. Like it's pretty on the top right now.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  It's like so.

• 1:31:10Yasi Salek?

  It's perfect. It's so, it's like.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  So good.

• 1:31:12Yasi Salek?

  It's phenomenal.

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:13Yasi Salek?

  And you should want, did they come, did they not come here? They did not come here yet.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  And I think they've come here and I missed it. No, they played two tiny shows at the George Tavern. Um, and I decided I couldn't, um, cause like, I wouldn't, you know, I decided, I was like, wait till they play a slightly bigger venue.

• 1:31:30Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:30Yasi Salek?

  They play the whole album. Yeah.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  Oh no, oh right, I thought you were asking.

• 1:31:34Yasi Salek?

  No, they play, then it's awesome. Anyway, sorry, we have digressed. Um, okay, let's, let's, let's get through this.

• 1:31:40Speaker 03

  Um, we're doing Sarah Clark and Trier.

• 1:31:43Yasi Salek?

  Just so you guys know, what we just did is I kind of scrubbed through the songs so I could get a sense of it. And while I didn't listen to the song as God intended, which is from start to finish, I feel like I would very much like it.

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:53Yasi Salek?

  It's giving, I would love this, so I will put it on later.

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, they've been, they've got like a bunch of really good EPs and this is their first album, I think.

• 1:31:59Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:32:00Speaker 03

  Um, they're signed to World of Echo, which is like.

• 1:32:03Yasi Salek?

  Will, World of Echo.

• 1:32:04Speaker 03

  World of Echo.

• 1:32:06Yasi Salek?

  Because you got real Australian there first.

• 1:32:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, which is like a amazing record store in East London, but also has a label.

• 1:32:13Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:32:13Speaker 03

  Really good, kind of like experimental alternative records. Um, yeah, they're like a three-piece from Bristol. And it's just very, again, kind of that, on that like pastoral kind of art pop. Yeah, but like, don't you feel like when you're listening to it, don't you feel like you're walking through a field?

• 1:32:30Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, like.

• 1:32:31Yasi Salek?

  Or a forest.

• 1:32:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I very, very much just kind of like.

• 1:32:36Yasi Salek?

  I like how it sounded fuzzy.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:38Yasi Salek?

  Like a record.

• 1:32:41Yasi Salek?

  I know that can be gimmicky too, but I liked it.

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  No, I, I, yeah, I'm really, really into it. I think they come from like a jazz background.

• 1:32:47Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:32:48Yasi Salek?

  Do you know how to play their instruments?

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, but yeah.

• 1:32:52Yasi Salek?

  Oh, great, okay. Okay, I really want to talk about this one because it's, they're so interesting to me. Oedipus and the Mama's Boys. Have you heard of this bit?

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  I don't think I got to this one.

• 1:33:15Yasi Salek?

  Okay. A phenomenal name.

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. See, but I'm, I'm seeing again that they also have fiddle.

• 1:33:23Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. So what if I like a fiddle?

• 1:33:24Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no. I'm, I'm just saying like it's.

• 1:33:26Yasi Salek?

  I believe it's a violin.

• 1:33:27Speaker 03

  I'm just like young, the young people of the UK like love.

• 1:33:31Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, what is going on?

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Violins in their music.

• 1:33:34Yasi Salek?

  What's happening? What happened? Um, I think if you have eight people, you probably need to have a, a fiddler.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you need eight people.

• 1:33:43Yasi Salek?

  Like who? Well, I don't know. Ask Oedipus and the Mama's Boys. Um. Like fake names too. It's like.

• 1:33:52Yasi Salek?

  They have like stage names.

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, like um.

• 1:33:55Yasi Salek?

  Bilbo Thunder. Which I'm like, you know what? I'm interested. Um, they have three singles. And they all sound totally different, which I think is really interesting. The, the one that's called Bleed is really. Like post punk noise, kind of like heavier, very cool, chaotic. And then they have one called Stretched Kitchens, which is like a little bit like that. I guess those are more similar. And they have a seven minute long song called A Daisy For You, John, that is so beautiful and like sparse and like. Sad.

• 1:34:33Yasi Salek?

  It sounds so different than the other singles. I guess kind of to your earlier point, although they're from Edinburgh, which I feel like we have not talked about one single Scottish band yet. I'm not often surprised and like kind of everything about this band is like weird. I'm like, your name is weird. You have eight people. That's weird. Your instrumentation is weird. The fact that the songs are all different is weird. So I'm just like, I'm listening.

• 1:35:06Speaker 03

  It could be like, uh, I find this is kind of like with Man, Woman, Chainsaw. It's like.

• 1:35:10Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  Cause they're all writing songs.

• 1:35:12Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, so that's why.

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  Songs that are like vastly different.

• 1:35:17Yasi Salek?

  And that might be why the album didn't hit as hard for me because whoever wrote the one song I liked maybe didn't write as many other songs. Okay, I really, I particularly like A Daisy For You, John. I was like, this is a really beautiful song.

• 1:35:30Yasi Salek?

  Did you do Jennifer Walton?

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  No, that's, that's the one I have. Um, so Jennifer Walton actually, uh, saw her live for the first time.

• 1:35:42Speaker 03

  Maybe not live, but anyway, she released this album last year called Daughters that I really love. It's like, um, experimental like electronica, but also there's guitars in it. And sometimes she's just going like buck wild, so you know, with a lot, lot of dynamics.

• 1:36:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's like extremely beautiful, sensitive music that it also can be really harsh at times.

• 1:36:09Yasi Salek?

  I loved it.

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like really, she's, she's really, the whole album, if you haven't listened to it, is like so, so.

• 1:36:14Yasi Salek?

  I, I listened to it. Cause I, that was one where I like, was like, okay, I'm, I think, cause I also read about her a little and it was like, she. Was like more of a club, clubby electronic artist. And then this album. She went in a different direction because she kind of wanted to do singer songwriter-esque. Cause she was dealing with her father's death, which is why it's called Daughters. But then obviously she's an electronic artist, so like it's filled with like crazy electronic freakouts. But it's, it's like the most interesting combination of things. I really liked it.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  It's really, really cool. Yeah. And then she also is in a band called Micro Plastics with Aya and ninety six back. Do you know Aya?

• 1:36:55Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yes, yes. Oh, my God. I loved that album.

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:57Yasi Salek?

  Even though frankly, very difficult to listen to, but I just was like, fuck, it's so cool that you made this.

• 1:37:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I, who's, yeah, that, I'm hexed from last year.

• 1:37:06Yasi Salek?

  One of the most disturbing album covers of my lifetime.

• 1:37:09Speaker 03

  That's real worms in her mouth.

• 1:37:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I know. No, I know.

• 1:37:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just like la, la, my friend Laura Snipes, who maybe you know.

• 1:37:18Yasi Salek?

  I don't, we are like internet friends and I'm a great, um, admirer of her writing.

• 1:37:22Speaker 03

  She introduced me to the Jennifer Walton record last year and I was, yeah. Really good one.

• 1:37:28Yasi Salek?

  It's really fab. That was, I think, my other favorite out of your list, just cause like. It's so up my alley in two different alleys that I never thought would converge into one alley.

• 1:37:39Speaker 03

  I saw her perform for the, like, no, was it, I don't know.

• 1:37:43Yasi Salek?

  Does she play like, is it just her, a guitar and then like a laptop?

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  No, it's a full band.

• 1:37:48Yasi Salek?

  Oh, awesome.

• 1:37:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so I saw.

• 1:37:50Yasi Salek?

  And then a bunch of like pedals and stuff, maybe.

• 1:37:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Um, I saw her perform to maybe like, you know, a small kind of like middle of the day crowd. And it was just really good watching her just like scream at them after.

• 1:38:02Yasi Salek?

  Middle of the day?

• 1:38:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, after, after like very quiet.

• 1:38:05Yasi Salek?

  Was it a festival or something?

• 1:38:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, the festival, yeah.

• 1:38:08Yasi Salek?

  That's really cool. Um, okay, I'll try to like sort of speed run these last ones. I also didn't go in order, so I have to try and remember what I talked about. I think Saint Clair is maybe worth talking about. Did you listen to them?

• 1:38:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:21Yasi Salek?

  I think people have said it's very Radiohead-y and it is very Radiohead-y.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  Radiohead's my blind spot.

• 1:38:28Yasi Salek?

  Oh, what?

• 1:38:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:29Yasi Salek?

  I have a podcast for you.

• 1:38:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:38:31Yasi Salek?

  It's eight hours long. Okay. I, really?

• 1:38:34Speaker 03

  Well, I've listened to all the records, but I don't know, I don't really know anything. I don't, I wouldn't be able to recall even. What they're, you know, I've, I've given all their records a cursory listen. And I'm like, yeah, okay.

• 1:38:48Yasi Salek?

  Didn't land with you thinking Radiohead is mid.

• 1:38:52Speaker 03

  I don't, well, yeah, I don't know, just.

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  I don't want to get into it in this, this feels like a hostile environment.

• 1:39:02Yasi Salek?

  Forget about me, the audience is gonna be really mad at you.

• 1:39:07Yasi Salek?

  Well, here's the thing. I think sometimes people say that sounds like Radiohead as a, as a, uh, pejorative, but to me. That's great.

• 1:39:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:17Yasi Salek?

  Actually, something about this sounds to me almost like it holds within it the entire like. Arc of Radiohead to Travis to Coldplay. Like it has kind of all of it, cause that is sort of.

• 1:39:29Speaker 03

  Well, that sounds like a pejorative. When you say it like.

• 1:39:32Yasi Salek?

  But I love Travis and Coldplay.

• 1:39:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:34Yasi Salek?

  So, I mean, I guess it's a pejorative of you, if you're like a snob or like you think, you know.

• 1:39:40Speaker 03

  You think you're better than.

• 1:39:41Yasi Salek?

  You're better than Coldplay or whatever. And yeah, Coldplay had some missteps. But the first couple of Coldplay albums are fucking amazing. You want to put on yellow and you want to look me in my fucking face and say that's not a god tier song? Cool. You're wrong. Um, anyway, so I like Saint Clair. I, I enjoyed it.

• 1:40:00Speaker 03

  Saint Clair's art direction is really good. All their single covers, all their pressure. I was like, this is like so, so nice.

• 1:40:08Yasi Salek?

  Did we talk about Little Grandad?

• 1:40:10Speaker 03

  No, I don't think we did.

• 1:40:11Yasi Salek?

  Okay, I really like, again, back, where, where we are finding a through line. Little Grandad, guess the guy, it's one, it's like the project I think of a guy called, um.

• 1:40:24Yasi Salek?

  No, that's not right. Yeah, well, okay, one of the guys, one of the main guys, it's Jack Lower and him and his brother Harry. But Jack Lower used to be Marion the Junkyard's tour manager. Um, anyways, this to me sounds very much, I think the name is indicative of what they sound like, like. This is like what if Neutral Milk Hotel took Valium and was British?

• 1:40:46Yasi Salek?

  And again, I'm not mad at that. I love Neutral Milk Hotel. I love.

• 1:40:51Speaker 03

  I'm just interested in how you, you're like, oh, that, that name would say.

• 1:40:54Yasi Salek?

  Little Grandad? You don't think that sounds like a fiddle? You don't think that sounds like a washboard?

• 1:40:58Speaker 03

  No, it sounds like, um.

• 1:41:00Yasi Salek?

  Little Grandad?

• 1:41:02Speaker 03

  I guess when you were like that, yeah.

• 1:41:04Yasi Salek?

  What, what would you think a band that's called Little Grandad would sound like?

• 1:41:07Speaker 03

  Like really quiet.

• 1:41:10Yasi Salek?

  I mean, it's kind of quiet.

• 1:41:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:11Yasi Salek?

  That's why I said it's, it's sedated.

• 1:41:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:13Yasi Salek?

  Neutral Milk Hotel. It, it picks up a bit, it wakes up a bit, you know, throughout, but the guy has a really beautiful voice. Oh, you know who we didn't talk about? But maybe cause I've talked about them so much is West Side Cowboy.

• 1:41:27Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:27Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:28Speaker 03

  You want to talk about West Side Cowboy?

• 1:41:30Yasi Salek?

  I would, cause it's, I think. In, in terms of what we've been talking about, like the Americana through line that's running through a lot of British bands right now.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  This is like Americana, like lowercase a Americana in that like, it's like American, like, not like Americana, the genre, almost in like. I'm like parka chords, strokes.

• 1:41:48Yasi Salek?

  Totally, totally. But, but like.

• 1:41:50Speaker 03

  But way more earnest.

• 1:41:52Yasi Salek?

  But that's fine. I love parka chords.

• 1:41:54Speaker 03

  I love parka chords as well.

• 1:41:55Yasi Salek?

  Because they sound like pavement.

• 1:41:56Speaker 03

  My.

• 1:41:56Yasi Salek?

  And I love pavement.

• 1:41:57Speaker 03

  My problem with, my block with the album, which I thought was perfectly fine.

• 1:42:01Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:02Speaker 03

  Was I was like, do I wish I was just listening to parka chords right now? Do I wish, do I wish I was just listening to human performance?

• 1:42:09Yasi Salek?

  I think that's very funny, cause this must be so generational, cause when I listen to parka chords, I just want to listen to pavement.

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:42:15Yasi Salek?

  So it's like, there's a version of this for everyone, but I like all of them, cause I'm like.

• 1:42:19Speaker 03

  But, but, but parka chords, I think are really good lyricists. And I'm not sure that West Side Cowboy.

• 1:42:27Yasi Salek?

  I liked the lyrics, but yeah, maybe, maybe they're growing into that.

• 1:42:30Speaker 03

  I think I, so I felt when I was listening to the record, I was like, I think maybe their second record would be like really amazing.

• 1:42:37Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I also do, I do, I find with the production of their music, the lyrics are a bit buried.

• 1:42:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, definitely.

• 1:42:43Yasi Salek?

  Which, cause I didn't, like, with even parka chords and especially pavement, you really hear what they're saying, you know, but you don't really hear as much. It's kind of blended into the mix.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. Which is funny, cause the guy who did it, Lauren Humphrey. Did the, the Cam Wint record and that's so, that's such a lyrics record.

• 1:43:01Yasi Salek?

  You know how I feel about that record.

• 1:43:02Speaker 03

  You like it.

• 1:43:04Yasi Salek?

  It's my, one of my favorite albums of all time.

• 1:43:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, no.

• 1:43:07Yasi Salek?

  Like I was, I was like in the streets with like a bullhorn, being like, have you guys heard the Cameron Winter record? It's the best.

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  As, as was I, yeah.

• 1:43:14Yasi Salek?

  I also will forever associate it with my house burning down because, cause it came out. Like, like exactly a month before the fires.

• 1:43:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:24Yasi Salek?

  And I was listening to it. And then when, after the fires, I was like listening, I was at my parents' house and I just had no capability to listen to anything besides, like. It was just the comfort and. I would just put it on every single day and like walk for miles with my dog. So that's what that lives in my heart and mind now. Um. Okay, here's, I'll just do a fast couple. Hollyhead, it's a Manchester post punk four piece. Um, I like it. They're kind of like a fugazi-esque dance funk Afro beat grooves put into a guitar rock context. Love that. Um, there's a band called Otala. I loved.

• 1:44:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:44:06Yasi Salek?

  Otala. The, the guy had, I think it's a man, has a gorgeous voice. The vocals are amazing. I like the kind of propulsive, beautiful music like that. Um, they're London based. Maybe from Nottingham, not sure.

• 1:44:21Speaker 03

  Uh, I really liked Glass House Red Spider.

• 1:44:23Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, it was really good.

• 1:44:25Speaker 03

  Of yours.

• 1:44:25Yasi Salek?

  Loved that. Hell One Thousand is a song that I put on the playlist, but they're from Brighton and it's slow core, like kind of post rock.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:34Yasi Salek?

  Really fucking good. What, what did you like about it in particular?

• 1:44:38Speaker 03

  I was just like, it's just kind of like noisy and like fucked up and like, I just, I really, and then I was like, and also the name sounds exactly like what the music's gonna sound like. I was just like, I was like, just like, this is a good time.

• 1:44:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it was a, I really, I was happy to have found that one. Um, and then, okay, the last one I'll talk about is, well.

• 1:45:02Yasi Salek?

  Oh, I like Oral Habit.

• 1:45:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:04Yasi Salek?

  They're like the children of John Dwyer, basically. Like, it's like a psych rock, you know, garage freak out band. Um, I wish I loved that kind of stuff.

• 1:45:12Speaker 03

  That's another one you can tell by the name, like what it's gonna sound like.

• 1:45:14Yasi Salek?

  Totally. Um, and then the last one was, I thought was very interesting because it was just, I, it's just one song so far. And there was a couple like this, but this is the only one I included in my list and I wanted to see if you think it counts. The woman is American. But she is.

• 1:45:29Speaker 03

  Are you doing that live plus ninety nine?

• 1:45:30Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:31Speaker 03

  I really liked this song.

• 1:45:32Yasi Salek?

  That song is so good.

• 1:45:33Speaker 03

  I really, really liked it.

• 1:45:35Yasi Salek?

  Again, she's from Asheville, North Carolina, so Wednesday area. But she is based in London and apparently from what I was reading is like part of the South London scene. Again, that could be a PR spin. But like, I'm like, does this count?

• 1:45:48Speaker 03

  I'd have to do a little bit of research. I can do, I can do some live research.

• 1:45:51Yasi Salek?

  I would like to, because I was like, I don't know if this is legal to put in our list. But it's like, if you're, if you're kind of cutting your teeth in the city and the scene, do you get to be an artist from there? The, one of, I mean, I can't remember their name, but an early one that we talked about, Curbside Lamp Sphere of yours are Austrian. They're born in Austria. Does that mean they're not a British band? You know? Is it like the president rules?

• 1:46:16Speaker 03

  It's like, um, we're doing, um, we're doing birthright citizens.

• 1:46:20Yasi Salek?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:46:21Speaker 03

  Disco some dance one. I don't know. Um, I really liked that song though.

• 1:46:25Yasi Salek?

  It's really good. Life at ninety nine. The girl's name is Bex Vines, which is already on like, why would you not just go by Bex Vines? It's just sick name.

• 1:46:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:32Yasi Salek?

  Um, the song is called Miss Fortune. How would you describe it? It's like.

• 1:46:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. And look, she's playing us a sellout release party, which is Southeast London out and about, like Southeast London area.

• 1:46:46Yasi Salek?

  She's part of the, she's part of the fabric of South London.

• 1:46:50Speaker 03

  Part of the fabric of South London.

• 1:46:51Yasi Salek?

  Um. It's very, it's like if, if they're gutting a body of water was catchy.

• 1:47:09Speaker 03

  I, I find Tagibo a little bit hooky sometimes, but I know.

• 1:47:12Yasi Salek?

  I love Tagibo. Huge fan. But you know, it's like a little more pop.

• 1:47:15Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, I totally agree. I see, I see on her Instagram that she's played with Tagibo.

• 1:47:19Yasi Salek?

  Okay, see, this shit is rad. Again. Can I tell you how I found this? No, no clue. I think it was like one of my weird rabbit holes down algorithmic lane, but. Um, I'm very excited to see what, uh, comes out. Also signed to a Brooklyn label, so.

• 1:47:38Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 1:47:39Yasi Salek?

  Mountain, Mountain Laurel Recording Co.

• 1:47:41Speaker 03

  Oh, I know that.

• 1:47:43Yasi Salek?

  And then the song was produced by a guy who's worked with Zach Bryan. So like, I'm, there's a lot going on here.

• 1:47:48Speaker 03

  Produced by who?

• 1:47:49Yasi Salek?

  Uh, Liam Brand is his name.

• 1:47:52Speaker 03

  This is all so weird.

• 1:47:53Yasi Salek?

  It's all so interesting.

• 1:47:54Speaker 03

  Child of the internet.

• 1:47:56Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, right, totally. But yeah, the song.

• 1:47:58Speaker 03

  Rebecca Vines, Rebecca Vines is a really good.

• 1:48:02Yasi Salek?

  Nominative determinism.

• 1:48:03Speaker 03

  And then look at the name of the drummer.

• 1:48:10Yasi Salek?

  Pit Vetham?

• 1:48:12Speaker 03

  Pitts.

• 1:48:12Yasi Salek?

  Vethitham?

• 1:48:14Speaker 03

  Bit, with, pit, with, pit with Ethan.

• 1:48:18Yasi Salek?

  It's crazy.

• 1:48:18Speaker 03

  Is that like, what, what two beautiful, two amazing names?

• 1:48:23Yasi Salek?

  What a place to go out.

• 1:48:24Speaker 03

  Pitt is a fantastic name for drama.

• 1:48:26Yasi Salek?

  On the multiculturalism of London.

• 1:48:29Yasi Salek?

  And by multicultural, I mean a woman from America.

• 1:48:33Yasi Salek?

  We did, we talked about a, a lot of multicultural acts in this. I thought. I'll be honest, it's a lot more multicultural than an episode we would have done about American acts probably would have been.

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:48:48Yasi Salek?

  Like, there was a lot, we, there was a lot of different.

• 1:48:51Speaker 03

  I just, because I also feel like there's a lot of, a lot more like crossover between genre scenes of people, you know? Yeah, I feel like it's, yeah.

• 1:49:00Yasi Salek?

  This is great. Um.

• 1:49:02Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:49:03Yasi Salek?

  Shocked.

• 1:49:03Speaker 03

  Sorry for getting so sweaty.

• 1:49:05Yasi Salek?

  It's okay. It means that you're, you know, sweating is healthy. It means that your system is working.

• 1:49:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:09Yasi Salek?

  And I think you should not be ashamed, you should be proud.

• 1:49:11Speaker 03

  Cool. I, I don't know. Yeah.

• 1:49:14Yasi Salek?

  Um, thank you. I feel like you shed a lot of light for me on a lot of stuff I didn't really understand about the machinations of the UK music scene in particular, what's happening in London.

• 1:49:26Speaker 03

  I hope I wasn't just talking out of my ass, but.

• 1:49:28Yasi Salek?

  You might have been, I was. I'm always talking out of my ass.

• 1:49:30Speaker 03

  Totally, I mean.

• 1:49:31Yasi Salek?

  When people are like, oh, you're an expert. I'm like, says who? Just because I have the microphone? That's how, that's how they trick you.

• 1:49:36Speaker 03

  So, yeah.

• 1:49:37Yasi Salek?

  And that's how they get you. Kaiser says, I over here. I convinced you that I'm an expert, but I'm not. Um, you guys, please stick around now for my interview with one of our shared favorite uh, new UK bands, Mary and the Junkyard.

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• 1:50:53Yasi Salek?

  You guys, I am thrilled to be joined by one of my favorite current UK based, London based bands, Mary and the Junkyard. You guys, welcome to the show.

• 1:51:02Speaker 05

  Thank you. Thanks for having us.

• 1:51:04Yasi Salek?

  We have Saya Barbaglia. Did I say it wrong? Well, the G is kind of silent, but. Saya Barbalia. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Um, Clary Freeman Taylor, Clary.

• 1:51:17Speaker 05

  Clary.

• 1:51:18Yasi Salek?

  And David Addison. You guys, I'm a big fan of your music. I just wanted to say. Um, I've been listening to Role Model Hermit a lot and I think it's very good.

• 1:51:28Speaker 05

  Thank you very much.

• 1:51:29Yasi Salek?

  And today, when I realized that the old man on the cover is Clary, I was deeply delighted. Because I had in my notes, I was like, ask who the old man is. And then I was like.

• 1:51:39Speaker 05

  Did you see something in the eyes?

• 1:51:42Yasi Salek?

  I think maybe I was reading an interview with you guys and then I scrolled past a video in which you are also wearing the old man costume.

• 1:51:50Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:51:51Yasi Salek?

  And then I was like, oh, my God.

• 1:51:53Speaker 05

  It's two steps away. Small old man.

• 1:51:56Yasi Salek?

  You pulled the wool over my ass, I'll tell you.

• 1:51:59Speaker 05

  We were like really ready to never tell anyone about that. And then, um, but then a man on the radio was like, so how was it being the old man?

• 1:52:10Yasi Salek?

  How did he know?

• 1:52:11Speaker 05

  I guess maybe like.

• 1:52:13Yasi Salek?

  We didn't keep the secret very well.

• 1:52:15Speaker 05

  May have told.

• 1:52:16Speaker 03

  Then when we did the, we did the record store tour signings and people would ask who's the old man and we'd say it was Clary and then they'd laugh like.

• 1:52:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, they'd be like, haha, hilarious, hilarious joke.

• 1:52:29Yasi Salek?

  I like how people don't know until they look it up or ask though. Yeah. I think that's, that's, it's not, it's not very, it's not like a secret secret, but it's just like. It's like if you know, you know. So a lot of people are just walking through this world thinking that's an old man.

• 1:52:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe they're thinking like, why is Mary in the junkyard like just performing an old man? Like just use, making the face of their band an old man. That's quite strange.

• 1:52:57Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:52:57Yasi Salek?

  There was a, a very popular Cure compilation CD called Staring at the Sea, the Singles. Are you guys familiar with this? You're probably a little too young. Also has an old man on the cover. It's a real old man. But it made me think of that. Similar energy, similar look. Do people think that one of your guys' name is Mary all the time?

• 1:53:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:53:21Yasi Salek?

  All the time. Most, most messages to the account say, hi, Mary. Was that something you thought about before you named the band or it was a real surprise?

• 1:53:31Speaker 05

  It was kind of a surprise, yeah. Because, yeah, because my name isn't Mary. My middle name is Maggie.

• 1:53:38Yasi Salek?

  Close.

• 1:53:39Speaker 05

  So it could have been like Maggie in the junkyard, but that doesn't sound that nice.

• 1:53:42Speaker 03

  That would be a good punk name. People, I think, then would think it's Thatcher adjacent.

• 1:53:48Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:53:50Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:53:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's not.

• 1:53:52Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 1:53:56Yasi Salek?

  I I feel like when I'm like listen to your music and also the name and also the name of the album, there's so much going on that's like about tensions between two things like a role model, but her like, look at me, don't look at me, like Mary, it's like this beautiful, virginal, pure thing, but like it's in a junkyard, like gross. Do you feel that that's something you guys are like really drawn to in art in general, but also in your music, like having these sort of opposing forces?

• 1:54:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, for sure. I think I think that's just like what comes naturally, like when I write lyrics and stuff is like.

• 1:54:39Speaker 05

  Um, I feel like it's also like in our nature as a band because we're quite silly, but then also very serious. And we we we make a lot of jokes on stage and then we play like really emotional songs. It's like the tickle and slap, like in theatre, I think they call it the tickle and slap.

• 1:55:00Yasi Salek?

  Well, Claire, you come from a long line of comedians. I did watch, I'm gonna tell you, I watched some of. Is it Victor and Alfred? I didn't write it down. Wow, amazing.

• 1:55:13Speaker 05

  Albert.

• 1:55:13Yasi Salek?

  Albert, okay, that's close. Um, musical comedy. So really, it's in your blood, all it really presented in a a real way, except yours, you kind of separated the two a little bit more, the comedy and the music.

• 1:55:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I guess so. Somewhat separate.

• 1:55:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's some funny lyrics in there and you you two especially are quite, you're like quite theatrical and.

• 1:55:40Speaker 05

  We do a bit of clowning.

• 1:55:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, some clowning on stage.

• 1:55:43Yasi Salek?

  Like professional, like kind of like art artistic level clowning? Um, no, more just um, uh, slightly accidental clowning. Incidental clowning. Incidental. Sure, yeah. Um, so your mother is a classical musician. Yeah, she plays the violin. That's incredible. David, do you have an artistic parent or you're just sort of the outlier here?

• 1:56:04Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, my mom plays a bit of saxophone. Uh, she actually, she's really good at saxophone. She just doesn't do it all the time. Uh, and she's a great um painter, but um she she doesn't do it professionally. But I have played, she, one of her friends from uni has like a proper like dad rock covers band and I've played with them and my mom at one point, which was quite nice.

• 1:56:26Yasi Salek?

  What what song were you most excited to do the dad rock cover of?

• 1:56:29Speaker 03

  We did, um, oh, is it, it's the haircut haircut five hundred song?

• 1:56:34Yasi Salek?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:56:35Speaker 03

  I've forgotten what it's called.

• 1:56:36Yasi Salek?

  Haircut five hundred, a band that was mostly famous in the UK.

• 1:56:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:39Yasi Salek?

  But I obviously, as a music historian, do you know who they are?

• 1:56:43Speaker 03

  And we did Sam Fender as well. Yeah, I feel like Sam Fender gets into the dad rock covers band, like he's he can, those songs can work even though he's newer.

• 1:56:52Yasi Salek?

  He broke into the space?

• 1:56:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:54Yasi Salek?

  Um, can you guys tell me how you met? Well, I know you guys met at camp.

• 1:56:58Speaker 05

  Yes, we met at camp.

• 1:57:01Yasi Salek?

  Playing um, strong quartets. Clary's an amazing cellist, um, which is a secret, which is seems to have somehow become a secret as well. Um, and we met playing the cello and the viola. That's really nice. And staying up um at night.

• 1:57:17Speaker 05

  Past the bedtime.

• 1:57:18Yasi Salek?

  Past the bedtime. Are you really the bad girls of classical rock camp? It's not very hard to be the.

• 1:57:23Speaker 05

  It's very easy.

• 1:57:24Yasi Salek?

  The bad girls of the classical music camp.

• 1:57:28Yasi Salek?

  Um, it wasn't a classical rock camp. Sorry, classical music, it wasn't a Led Zeppelin based camp. You're like, no, it's more like Bach, babe. Um.

• 1:57:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, then me and David met in Hitchin, which was like the local town.

• 1:57:42Yasi Salek?

  The local town to what?

• 1:57:43Speaker 05

  To to me.

• 1:57:44Yasi Salek?

  Oh, to you? To Clary's village.

• 1:57:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:46Speaker 05

  To my village. It was the town where David lived.

• 1:57:50Yasi Salek?

  Okay, where is this place?

• 1:57:51Speaker 03

  It's like halfway between London and Cambridge. It's like an hour out of London to the north on the train.

• 1:57:57Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:57:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:57:59Yasi Salek?

  It's kind of rural.

• 1:58:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:00Speaker 03

  No, yeah, Clary's Village definitely is. The the town's a little bit more of just like a suburb.

• 1:58:05Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:58:05Speaker 03

  Um, it's like an old market town.

• 1:58:07Speaker 05

  It's a nice town. There's a big hill.

• 1:58:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:10Yasi Salek?

  And that's like. David's house.

• 1:58:12Speaker 05

  David's house is at the top of the hill, so you would have to walk up the hill.

• 1:58:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:17Yasi Salek?

  We're gonna go there and have a party.

• 1:58:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, the last show of our tour is in Hitchin or the last show of the UK leg, so we're gonna.

• 1:58:23Yasi Salek?

  Is that a normal tour stop or did you guys make it happen because you're from there?

• 1:58:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I think actually the the venue like reached out and gave us quite a

• 1:58:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:32Speaker 03

  a nice offer to play.

• 1:58:33Speaker 05

  We actually tried to fight against it. We didn't really wanna do it.

• 1:58:37Yasi Salek?

  You don't wanna go back home.

• 1:58:38Speaker 05

  We were like, no.

• 1:58:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, but then like so many like friends and family were like, oh, we're coming to the Hitchin, so I think it will be really nice. But I had a little bit of like, oh, it's going back. It's like, I don't know.

• 1:58:48Speaker 05

  So we used to play with the indie bedroom pop band.

• 1:58:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:53Speaker 05

  When we were seventeen.

• 1:58:54Yasi Salek?

  I did write that down, but I can't find the name right now. It's in your Wikipedia.

• 1:58:59Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 1:59:00Yasi Salek?

  Wikipedia?

• 1:59:00Speaker 05

  Wait, yeah, what?

• 1:59:03Yasi Salek?

  What does the Wikipedia say? It's like right now. Stylized in all lowercase. Here we go. Uh, second thoughts?

• 1:59:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:59:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Well, it says that you guys met at Classical Music Summer Camp at age fourteen.

• 1:59:15Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:59:16Yasi Salek?

  That's correct. That you were assigned by a camp counselor to pull him a piece together.

• 1:59:23Yasi Salek?

  I don't know.

• 1:59:27Yasi Salek?

  I guess technically.

• 1:59:30Yasi Salek?

  This is, the the citation is from the Pitchfork review of your album. Um, and then that you, Clary, managed to get a gig at the Cavendish Arms in Stockwell. Correct. And what's that?

• 1:59:48Speaker 05

  That's, that was like this, it's kind of like a comedy club.

• 1:59:51Yasi Salek?

  Okay, so this was nepotism through your father?

• 1:59:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:59:56Speaker 05

  No, it was, it was, they did like these occasional music nights, like New Music Thursday or something.

• 2:00:02Speaker 03

  There was, for a while, someone was booking there who was a bit more like in touch with.

• 2:00:07Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. What's happened to it now?

• 2:00:09Speaker 03

  I think.

• 2:00:10Speaker 05

  I think it's just a comedy club again.

• 2:00:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:12Yasi Salek?

  They have these big sculptures, I remember, and and mugs that have dogs on it. Okay. So they're the best, the best mugs.

• 2:00:19Speaker 05

  And pizzas. You get a free pizza if you play.

• 2:00:21Speaker 03

  It's like dog cabaret theme, it's sort of dogs and like red velvet.

• 2:00:26Speaker 05

  Glamorous dogs.

• 2:00:27Yasi Salek?

  Sounds amazing. This is kind of shit you guys, only you guys have over here, you know, have that kind of stuff. And so how come when you got this gig, you didn't make it a second thoughts show? You were like, no, second thoughts is over. We're doing something new.

• 2:00:39Speaker 05

  We actually, so we were in second thoughts, we were like trying to

• 2:00:46Speaker 05

  get shows and stuff, but we were just, I was just the bass, I was just like the girl, the bassist.

• 2:00:54Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:00:55Speaker 05

  I didn't, I wasn't allowed to write the songs, so then I had to take my songs elsewhere.

• 2:00:59Yasi Salek?

  That's hard, yeah, okay.

• 2:01:00Speaker 05

  So I took, I took my songs to the Cavendish Arms and it was like, I wasn't like trying to do a gig really, I was just like. Um, someone had heard like this EP I put out, there was like just me and my guitar. Um. And so, yeah, got booked for that and then I was too scared to do it alone, so it got, I called David and Sia.

• 2:01:29Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 2:01:30Yasi Salek?

  Hey.

• 2:01:31Speaker 05

  Um.

• 2:01:32Yasi Salek?

  What's up?

• 2:01:32Speaker 05

  Hey, Sia, I was just wondering if um you'd be interested in playing a gig with me?

• 2:01:38Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, of course.

• 2:01:39Speaker 05

  It's on Sunday.

• 2:01:40Yasi Salek?

  On Sunday? Cool, awesome.

• 2:01:42Speaker 05

  Um, I thought maybe David could play drums, I don't know.

• 2:01:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:46Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, oh, hi, David. Oh, it's a three-way call, okay.

• 2:01:50Speaker 05

  David, oh, hey, David.

• 2:01:51Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, we met on on the hill.

• 2:01:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, and in Trafalgar Square.

• 2:01:55Yasi Salek?

  Trafalgar, oh, yeah, at the protest.

• 2:01:57Speaker 05

  With the coconut water.

• 2:01:58Yasi Salek?

  With the coconut water.

• 2:01:59Speaker 05

  And um, so if you guys are interested, um, we could play a show together and um.

• 2:02:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 2:02:09Speaker 05

  I've got a few songs, Spaghetti Man.

• 2:02:11Yasi Salek?

  Awesome, um.

• 2:02:13Speaker 03

  Escargot, go, go.

• 2:02:14Speaker 05

  Escargot, go, go.

• 2:02:15Yasi Salek?

  Do you have a bass for me?

• 2:02:17Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, you can use my second thoughts bass.

• 2:02:19Yasi Salek?

  Oh, okay, cool. I'll use the second thoughts bass.

• 2:02:22Speaker 05

  Okay, goodbye.

• 2:02:24Yasi Salek?

  Awesome. Bye, see you on Sunday. So this is why videos are great, because we can do live reenactments of things like this, you know?

• 2:02:31Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 2:02:32Yasi Salek?

  Um, Sia, where were you living? Did you live nearby? I was living in London, so I was. London friend and then Clary was my village friend. Your village friend. And David was your in-between friend?

• 2:02:46Yasi Salek?

  David wasn't my friend. So I was like, I guess I'll play anime with that guy. I thought he was lovely. I I like David the time that I met him. I feel I read somewhere that there was busking.

• 2:03:01Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:01Yasi Salek?

  Can we talk about that?

• 2:03:02Speaker 05

  We did used to busk a bit.

• 2:03:04Yasi Salek?

  You too? Yeah. Where?

• 2:03:07Speaker 05

  Um, well, I used to busk a lot in St. Albans City Centre, which was like this spot next to some benches and we did it together a couple of times.

• 2:03:15Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, we we when I'd busk with Clary, it would be in St. Albans and then I'd when I'd busk with other people on my own, it would just be in London. And when you were busking, were you playing covers or were you playing your own songs? I was playing covers and then Clary was playing some of her own songs as well, but mixing it in with like Ed Sheeran covers, uh which always made a bit more money. Right, you're like. So we just played the Ed Sheeran covers.

• 2:03:38Speaker 05

  Ed Sheeran, the Beatles.

• 2:03:39Yasi Salek?

  And then once me and Clary played a party, um and then we had like made some really nice like string arrangements of like some songs and then all they really wanted was watermelon, um sugar and we just played that on repeat for a really long time.

• 2:03:51Speaker 05

  Sounds really bad with two string instruments.

• 2:03:55Yasi Salek?

  And a viola. Oh, you're busking with a cello and a viola?

• 2:03:58Speaker 05

  Sometimes, yes.

• 2:03:59Yasi Salek?

  And a baritone ukulele.

• 2:04:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:04:01Yasi Salek?

  Clary had a baritone ukulele. Was this like kind of, what was the purpose? Just to like be able to.

• 2:04:08Speaker 05

  Money.

• 2:04:09Yasi Salek?

  To make money. Yeah, we'd make like more money than in like an hour, we probably make more money than we make now an hour probably.

• 2:04:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's so true.

• 2:04:19Yasi Salek?

  Do you feel that it helps you with like, why? I don't know if you had stage fright, but do you feel it helped you have like more stage presence or feel like less? Cause I would feel busking is way scarier than going on a stage in a in a bar or club.

• 2:04:33Speaker 05

  Busking is scary because I think the the the most scary part is that you have to go there and then set up where people are just chilling and enjoying their lunch or whatever, because you go, you go there and you disturb their peace.

• 2:04:51Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:51Speaker 05

  And some people can be like, ugh.

• 2:04:54Yasi Salek?

  And you're like, what? You guys don't like Ed Sheeran? And they're like, no. But like busking is also like much colder, like remember like always having really cold fingers, whereas in venues you're always really hot. And busking, um, you have to like, I guess it's just really, it's kind of awkward. Yes, yes, it seems really awkward. But when you like settle into it, or if it's like Christmas, then it's a bit better. People are expecting music on the streets.

• 2:05:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, it depends like the the mood of the city.

• 2:05:28Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:05:29Speaker 05

  The cultural climate.

• 2:05:31Yasi Salek?

  Can you talk me through a little bit, just because I'm so curious, because I don't live here and I don't know the machinations of the London music scene? How did it work? Like, how did you go from the bar in Stockwell pub, pub in Stockwell? To getting a show in London or meeting people, getting on bills?

• 2:05:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was just a series of like, there was a couple of people at that first show who were bookers at another venue.

• 2:06:01Yasi Salek?

  In Stockwell, at the Cavendish Arms?

• 2:06:03Speaker 03

  Uh, they were at the Cavendish Arms. Yeah, and I think it was the person who helps book at a really great venue in East London called The George, um where I work on the bar now.

• 2:06:13Yasi Salek?

  Oh, good. Look at that.

• 2:06:14Speaker 03

  Um, and then, yeah, just a few more of those and I I think because the time we started in like twenty twenty two, it was sort of just after COVID and all the venues had just reopened, so there was a lot of energy and excitement, I think.

• 2:06:28Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:29Speaker 03

  And then also there'd been bands like Black Country, New Road and Black Midi had had had like such a great sort of success off of like playing at the Windmill and and that being a kind of launchpad. So then when we got booked there for the first time, we got on really well with the booker there, Tim, who's like a real, he's like a proper hero of music in London because he's just has has a really, um, if if he likes a band, he'll really.

• 2:06:55Yasi Salek?

  Champion them.

• 2:06:56Speaker 03

  Exactly. Yeah. So he'd put us on like twice a week, just opening for whoever. So we played a lot of like quite crazy bills where we were a bit of, yeah, not the music wasn't always the same, but like.

• 2:07:07Yasi Salek?

  Didn't, you're like, okay, we're opening for a thrash metal band tonight.

• 2:07:11Speaker 03

  Pretty much, but it was like, oh, Tim likes them. So, yeah. Um, so for about like six months to a year, kind of, we just we'd be at the Windmill all the time. And then for us, it works that um, we had, uh, like the people that are now our managers came to one of those shows and then we started working with them and then they could bring people from the label and agents and stuff. And because we were playing so often and often at the same place, it was like quite yeah, I don't know, it was it was easy to get people down. Um, yeah, and it was just like a really supportive community. And I also think because of it being just after COVID, everyone was really thankful for these spaces. Um, so it was, yeah, it was great. And I think it it still, it still feels like that. It doesn't feel like it's

• 2:07:56Speaker 03

  yeah, it was just that time, but it felt especially at that time that there was a lot of excitement and gratitude, I think.

• 2:08:03Yasi Salek?

  That's nice. Such a like nice thing to hear about a sort of like selfless champion, you know what I mean? Like, it's just like not a thing you hear about that much anymore. We're like a tastemaker, if you will, to use a gross word, but like, you know, just someone who's like, yeah, I have this place and I want to put on bands I really like. And then it kind of creates, because it's so authentic, it does create something really real and meaningful, and then it becomes a PR um term that goes in press releases.

• 2:08:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's funny seeing the way Windmill or Windmill scene is such a concept, especially when we play in America, like people have that kind of, it it really means something and it is I mean, there's other facts, but a lot of it is just this one guy who's a really wonderful but quite eccentric guy.

• 2:08:48Yasi Salek?

  It's funny, I feel like the kind of, like, we've met people from all over the world who talk about like the Windmill scene and like everyone knows about the Windmill, but it's like, they don't know, like, like, you can't find on the internet, like, Tim. Like he'd, it's like the Windmill, but like it's actually Tim.

• 2:09:05Speaker 05

  He's very secretive, like he doesn't want anyone to to know him or really like applaud him for anything. He he, I'm pretty sure, like, you you can't even, you're not allowed to take a picture of him.

• 2:09:20Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's like, is he's a.

• 2:09:21Speaker 05

  And he won't, he he's not doing an interview in the Windmill documentary that.

• 2:09:26Yasi Salek?

  There's a documentary being made.

• 2:09:28Speaker 05

  I think so. I don't know when, but we've we've done a few interviews every every couple of years for this documentary.

• 2:09:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's in the works.

• 2:09:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I don't think Tim has done an interview because he doesn't want to.

• 2:09:41Yasi Salek?

  And he's got this office underneath, underground. And I I I really, like, when I went underground, we did like an interview underground. I like started getting like a, like a kind of coughing, dust allergy, asthma attack. I was like, I don't know how he spends all day down there, like listening to music in this like den that I couldn't really spend more than. Wizard of Oz. One hour and. Wizard of the Windmill. I'm obsessed. I think that's very cool. Um, to totally shift gears.

• 2:10:12Yasi Salek?

  I read that you do MMA training. Yeah. And that's really cool. And Clary, Clary, I keep saying it wrong.

• 2:10:21Speaker 05

  Clary?

• 2:10:21Yasi Salek?

  Clary. Um, you do gymnastics, acrobatics?

• 2:10:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:10:26Yasi Salek?

  Tumbling?

• 2:10:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, I do tumbling.

• 2:10:29Yasi Salek?

  David, where is your physical outlet?

• 2:10:33Speaker 03

  I was going to the gym for a bit and that was, that was good. I like long walks. Yeah, I don't have a, I used to, I did a sport when I was at school, but.

• 2:10:42Yasi Salek?

  What sport was it?

• 2:10:44Speaker 03

  Um, I did like uh field hockey.

• 2:10:46Yasi Salek?

  Okay, lacrosse.

• 2:10:47Speaker 03

  That was, that was where my my parents met, the hockey team, actually. So I grew up doing that. And I would do, I would do rugby as well, but I was always like quite small and skinny.

• 2:10:56Speaker 05

  Nonviolent.

• 2:10:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:58Yasi Salek?

  Do you guys find, David aside, who's non-physical apparently, um, that you sort of need a physical outlet? Just for, I don't know, I imagine like, not that making making music isn't quite physical, playing shows, but like there's something about the release of like something that's purely physical, like, does that? I don't know, allow you some other gratification?

• 2:11:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's quite important for like your mind. And on tour, like, you kind of need to move your body a lot, um, because you do a lot of traveling.

• 2:11:39Yasi Salek?

  Also a lot, uh, when you're on the stage, like you want to kind of feel comfortable on the stage. And I feel like doing doing exercise kind of makes you a bit more like buzzy, body positive. Sure, and like. And like. In your own body.

• 2:11:51Speaker 05

  Strong.

• 2:11:51Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Feeling strong.

• 2:11:52Speaker 05

  We both like to feel very strong.

• 2:11:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, now our performances have become a lot more acrobatic, like, like, um, our latest trick together is that Clary, we've done it once. Um, is Clary sits on my shoulders whilst I'm playing the bass and then I'm at my mic stand and then Clary's got her mic stand, mic in her hand and um we can perform like that.

• 2:12:17Yasi Salek?

  That's so cool.

• 2:12:18Speaker 05

  I wanna do some stuff like our walk on could be like, we could walk on our hands.

• 2:12:23Yasi Salek?

  Um.

• 2:12:23Speaker 05

  Um, onto the stage.

• 2:12:25Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 2:12:25Speaker 05

  Maybe, and like.

• 2:12:27Yasi Salek?

  Circusy.

• 2:12:27Speaker 05

  We do, we fight as well sometimes.

• 2:12:30Yasi Salek?

  And it's also nice in the studio just to like, like, like, we do like a kind of, yeah, like a, like a touch sparring in the studio sometimes. And it's like, it's a nice, feel like also on long drives and things. You can get really like, really, you can really enter like your own separate universes. You know, David's listened to a podcast. Um, like Clary's doing something on her phone or laptop. Playing. Like, you know, something, and then like you're, you're doing separate things, but it's quite nice that I do something physical together. If that's like dancing or like sparring. Just kind of reunites you. Well, I'm not, no, can you talk to me about the orb? Hmm.

• 2:13:08Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, the orb.

• 2:13:09Yasi Salek?

  Mary in the Junkyard on the orb.

• 2:13:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, we wanted to get into End of the Road Festival and we weren't booked, so I was like, we should do a talk on the orb. Um, and like friendship and, yeah.

• 2:13:21Yasi Salek?

  So the orb is.

• 2:13:22Speaker 05

  The orb was like, we realized that we were like, I think I was like struggling with the show or something, or I was feeling a bit like disconnected. And so I was like, I just need something like in the middle of the stage to like, to kind of draw me in. So we went and we bought this like big, so this big like round lamp.

• 2:13:49Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 2:13:50Speaker 05

  Um, and we put it in the middle of the stage and then we kind of like faced ourselves in to be like looking at the lamp. And then we were all like sharing this like light ball. Um, and but then David actually destroyed it.

• 2:14:05Speaker 03

  No, it wasn't me. It was off that mate. I was just there and these guys were away. And to be fair, I didn't, I didn't tell them straight away.

• 2:14:12Yasi Salek?

  In the bin.

• 2:14:12Speaker 05

  He threw, he just threw it away.

• 2:14:14Yasi Salek?

  Like, I feel like a cracked orb is okay because it's still, you know, it's still an orb, but to throw that in the bin was quite hurtful.

• 2:14:22Speaker 05

  And then he didn't tell us and then we had to just find out.

• 2:14:24Yasi Salek?

  And we came home and then the orb was gone and they all, we told each other, we were like, this orb, we have to protect this orb. This orb is our band. And we have to protect it with everything. We have to do a band effort to protect this orb. And that was gonna be like a kind of.

• 2:14:39Speaker 05

  And it was easy. It was easy to protect the orb, really.

• 2:14:42Speaker 03

  It was a big glass ball. It was a big ball we kept just in the orb.

• 2:14:46Yasi Salek?

  And then, so that was orb number one, smashed, gone, in the bin. We found out about it, upset. Really surprised, because we bought orb two. Still in the band, to be honest. Okay. We have orb, we have orb two and we have David. Okay. You brought it back together. You guys do a lot. I mean, I've obviously not seen it, but I've heard tale and I've seen some pictures. You guys do do sort of, I don't wanna say outlandish, but that's an okay word. Uh, stage decor, would you say?

• 2:15:14Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 2:15:15Yasi Salek?

  Paper mache items and things. Um, where does this come from? Like, was there any sort of like inspiration for this? Simply from your own beautiful imaginations?

• 2:15:27Speaker 05

  Just, I think I've always been really into like big objects. Um, and the first thing I made out of paper mache was the big face, Brian. That's, he's, he's at like every gig that we do. Um, and then I made a few more sculptures. I've got a new sculpture for our next round of touring, which I'm really excited about. Um, there's like a, a big lantern that's gonna hang above the stage.

• 2:16:00Yasi Salek?

  Amazing.

• 2:16:01Speaker 05

  Um, and it's just, I don't know, I just really like things like that. I think it's nice to have a bit more to look at, at a show than the band. We've had a few friends like come on in different costumes and like dance and stuff. Um, cause we've got quite a lot of, of costumes now.

• 2:16:23Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:23Speaker 05

  We've got the yeti, the moth.

• 2:16:25Yasi Salek?

  Big wolf head.

• 2:16:26Speaker 05

  The wolf, the skeleton man.

• 2:16:30Yasi Salek?

  Hmm. The red head.

• 2:16:33Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, the red.

• 2:16:35Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, well, I was, when we were talking about you earlier in this episode with Shaw de Souza and I was like,

• 2:16:43Yasi Salek?

  basically I was like, oh, this band is like really into whimsy, but in like a not annoying way. Cause it can go either way. You know, like you can be like really whimsical and be really annoying, but you can be really whimsical and just be kind of like fantastical and immersive. And I feel like the way you guys do is very that. And I just wondered like, I don't know, is there like films you watched or like, anything like before you made the band where you were like, I wanna give people this sort of feeling.

• 2:17:12Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 2:17:12Yasi Salek?

  Or this sort of experience.

• 2:17:15Speaker 05

  There's a really incredible film that I watched with, that had like loads of paper mache and called, um, the Casa Lobos.

• 2:17:22Yasi Salek?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:17:23Speaker 05

  Um, it's really scary, but it's like incredible paper mache. Um, and I guess like,

• 2:17:34Speaker 05

  um, I really loved where the world things are when I was little.

• 2:17:37Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I think about that when you're talking about these things, yeah.

• 2:17:41Speaker 05

  I think it was mostly like my, the art department at the school I went to was really amazing and they really focused on sculpture and stuff. So I did a lot of like sculpture making when I was there.

• 2:17:52Yasi Salek?

  Right. So it's like part of your general art practice and you want to like bring it into.

• 2:17:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:17:56Yasi Salek?

  Your larger. Um, I think that's amazing. And I think it also like makes a lot of sense for me, given how you guys seem to write music where it's like, kind of oscillates between being a bit more like diaristic and then a bit more like, this is a character, this is a story. Cause I read, you said that Mouse is the most important song on the album. Is it due to that storytelling quality?

• 2:18:23Speaker 05

  I think it's like, yeah, storytelling wise and then also sonically, it's like the most

• 2:18:34Speaker 05

  like beautiful.

• 2:18:38Yasi Salek?

  It's very beautiful.

• 2:18:39Speaker 05

  Um, and yeah, it's the reason why there's, there's an old man on the cover and it's kind of, um, it was the first time when I wrote a song that was like really exactly what I wanted to say.

• 2:18:57Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 2:18:58Speaker 05

  I think it felt like I was really like saying something with the song.

• 2:19:03Yasi Salek?

  Awesome. Well, you guys, this has been a real treat for me. I'm a big fan. I think everybody should listen to Role Model Hermit. Um, I can't wait to see a show. I can't wait to see the orb and also the large lantern, perhaps a wolf. Mm-hmm. Um, and thank you for coming on. Well, thanks. Thank you for having us. Um, you guys come back next week for a new episode of Bandplane.

• 2:19:37Yasi Salek?

  If you liked what you heard today, subscribe for more episodes of Bandplane. Our guest today was Shaw de Souza and also the band Mary in the Junkyard. This episode was produced by Rob Sunderman and edited by Adrian Bridges with help from Justin Sales. Video production by Bex Donnelly. Executive producers for Bandplane are Gina Dalvak and me, Yasi Salek. Our gorgeous and catchy theme song was composed and performed by Jennifer Clavon and Bethany Cosentino and graciously recorded by Carlos de la Garza in Los Angeles, California. Special thanks to our producer emeritus, Dylan Tupper Rupert, and also Sean Fantasy and the City of London. Come back every Thursday for a new episode of Bandplane on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

• 2:20:26Speaker 03

  I think a lot of people with like normal names don't even have that, um, conception of.

• 2:20:31Yasi Salek?

  They don't know what we've gone through.

• 2:20:33Speaker 03

  No, exactly.

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