Dave Franco Returns

Dave Franco (Idiots, The Studio, Together) is an actor, writer, and director. Dave returns to Armchair Expert to discuss growing up as the youngest of three brothers, being a hopeless romantic from childhood, and becoming Hollywood’s sexiest cat dad. Dave and Dax talk about pursuing Idiots for a decade, surviving the exhausting long takes of The Studio, and forging an identity outside his brother’s shadow. Dave explains why vulnerability is worth the risk, why he stays off social media, and why the right relationship gets better with time. Thank you to our presenting partner Lilly. Lilly’s Foundayo™(orforglipron). Advertisement Disclaimer: Please see Indications and Safety Summary with Warnings for Foundayo™(orforglipron) at https://www.foundayo.lilly.com/risk Start your 2 month free trial today: https://youtube.com/premium . Terms Apply. Cancel Anytime. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ Take printer ink off your to-do list with HP Smart Tank | http://www.hp.com/SmartTank See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dax Shepard and I'm joined by Monica Padman.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 0:06Dax Shepard?

  Are you just cleaning up your computer over there?

• 0:08Speaker 01

  I am.

• 0:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay, I hope you get it spic and span. We have a returning guest, but first time in person. And the, and the difference was profound.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  I couldn't believe that because he, we had him on in COVID. And that was revealed when we were talking to him and I had such, I had like, if you, if you had asked me to bet half of my money.

• 0:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  I would have said we had him in person.

• 0:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's a testament to his charisma that even through the computer screen, you thought, you know. Of course, we're talking about Dave Franco. Dave Franco is an actor and a filmmaker and a cutie pie. His credits include Together, Regretting You, Now You See Me, Hoppers. He has a new movie in theaters August 28th called Idiots. And another movie, September 25th in theaters called Forgotten Island. Please enjoy the charming Dave Franco. We get support from Quince.

• 1:02Speaker 01

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• 1:11Dax Shepard?

  I'm fully there. The second it dips below 70, I'm like, this is my season. Give me the layers, give me the boots, give me a reason to wear something other than a T-shirt. And honestly, that's why I love Quince because fall is when your wardrobe actually has to show up. And everything at Quince is 50 to 80% less than similar brands. We're talking 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters, starting at $60.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  $60, $60 for cashmere that you'd expect from a luxury brand without the luxury price tag. It's amazing. Gets me every time. It really shouldn't be real, but it is because they go straight to the factories, they skip the middlemen and they just hand you the savings. The stuff isn't trendy. It's the kind of pieces you grab over and over because they work every time.

• 1:51Dax Shepard?

  The 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters for me are it. When I look at Steve McQueen, this man owned a couple of sweaters he wore all the time and he looks iconic.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  It's a uniform.

• 2:01Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:02Speaker 01

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• 2:19Dax Shepard?

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• 3:16Dax Shepard?

  How are you? Good to see you. Oh, what a nice car I got.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  It is.

• 3:23Dax Shepard?

  If I didn't sweat so fucking much, I would join you because I have a dazzling collection.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 3:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Cardi B's.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Have you tried them in here? You kind of perspirate too much?

• 3:33Dax Shepard?

  You'll see at the end of this, in this T-shirt, this thin T-shirt with the AC on, I'll be damp as hell in that.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  Look at this cute little space, man.

• 3:41Dax Shepard?

  I know you were Zoom.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  I know, last time was over Zoom.

• 3:45Dax Shepard?

  Did you remember that?

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 3:47Dax Shepard?

  I mean, I remembered that obviously we had you, but I guess I didn't clock it that it was Zoom. And then I listened to like the first 20 minutes of it and it was PTSD. July 2020, like three months into.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  I was gonna ask, when you guys have returning guests, like, do you go back just to make sure that we don't cover the same stuff?

• 4:05Dax Shepard?

  A little bit.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  Don't worry, I did it. I'm like such a nerd that I'm like, I don't want to repeat myself.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  You're such a good student.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  That's crazy. I would have bet all my money that you were in person.

• 4:17Dax Shepard?

  And three years ago.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  That is wild.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. I know. Six years ago.

• 4:21Dax Shepard?

  But yeah, of course.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  What?

• 4:23Dax Shepard?

  You know what happens is the other thing is when I go back and they're in that period of quarantine where we were doing Zoom. I have all these feelings about it. One is like, anything that was recorded in media for a year is almost singularly about that experience.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, right. Exactly. Where we're just talking about what we're going through in the moment and this is like unprecedented times. And it was weird looking back on that because what? We were like a few months into the pandemic at that point. But it was long enough to know that like, we were past, remember very early on, we were like, okay, this is going to be two weeks.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  And like, and then we'll go back to normal. But we were at the point where it was like, we don't know how long this is going to go. And it feels kind of hopeless. We're in like a little bit of a hopeless place.

• 5:03Dax Shepard?

  Apex, oh wait, this is actually terrible.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Yes. Which is why it was nice talking to you guys. It was a nice like highlight in the middle of that.

• 5:11Dax Shepard?

  Okay, I have a quick question because I gotta say, it made my 2025. And I do wonder if it was reported back to you.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Okay, tell me.

• 5:19Dax Shepard?

  So I was on a hike with Jake Johnson and Vincent D'Onofrio. And we got up above the observatory and we're just about to take the trail up to the very top.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:27Dax Shepard?

  And we ran into your lovely wife, Allison.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:30Dax Shepard?

  She stops and she's like, oh, hey, and we're just chatting. And then she goes like, oh my God, you look great. And she like touches my shoulder.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:37Dax Shepard?

  And then she goes, and you guys look great. And Jake goes, oh bullshit, you just threw us, you know, like. It was a hysterical moment that Jake Johnson called up.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Oh, she first said it to you and then was like, oh, you guys also pretty good over there too.

• 5:50Dax Shepard?

  And she was like actively grabbing my shoulder.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:52Dax Shepard?

  And then she was like, oh wait, I gotta give everyone a compliment. But anyways, the rest of that hike, I was just kind of tiptoeing up the hill.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Can I say, and this is going to sound like I'm just piling on, the hug that I got from you when I came in here. And you're a good hugger and you gave me that body, man.

• 6:10Dax Shepard?

  I want to give you that oxytocin.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  I want you to feel me because I've been, I've been working a little.

• 6:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, funny enough, I bring up this question to ask you, you're 41 now?

• 6:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, later this week.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, happy birthday.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you.

• 6:23Dax Shepard?

  Yo, okay, so your butt's turning 41.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 6:25Dax Shepard?

  And you're very svelte. And I was curious, are you genetically an anomaly? Are you mindful of all this?

• 6:31Speaker 02

  I think it's part genetics, but I'm definitely mindful. We take care of ourselves. We really look at Kevin Bacon and Kira Sedgwick. And we're like, look at them, man. They are keeping it tight. They look good and they've always looked good.

• 6:45Dax Shepard?

  And they make it look effortless.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Totally. But like Allison, she's been going to this gym, RISE movement for 15 years now. And it's like some of the best trainers around. And I was like intimidated to go in there for a long time because you got like heavy hitters going in.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  She is, she is a heavy hitter. Oh my God. It's incredible.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  I know.

• 7:04Dax Shepard?

  Her physique?

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Maybe subconsciously, that's why I was staying away. I'm like, I can't have my wife show me up in here.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  But I finally started going in and it's nice. It's nice to have a trainer and it makes such a difference.

• 7:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, let's go through it. I think for, and I'd love to know the female perspective. I think I have a hunch on it, but it's like, even when I was young and started going to the gym at Bally's Total Fitness in Santa Monica. You had the whole ride there. I have all this anxiety that I'm going to get there and everyone's going to be so muscular.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:33Dax Shepard?

  And then I'm going to be working out and I'm going to look stupid. I'm probably doing it wrong. And just the amount of fear I have, which is kind of crazy.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  It is kind of crazy.

• 7:41Dax Shepard?

  They're not shoving the skinny guys around at the gym.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Sure, but have you ever been like a really skinny guy?

• 7:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, when I started.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Sure, okay, okay.

• 7:48Dax Shepard?

  I was a beanpole.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  Really like, like really skinny?

• 7:52Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my fart. I didn't say working out to like 23 or 4.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Yes, I know the feeling well, but there was some stat that someone threw at me recently. Who knows if it's true, but it was like, when you're working with a trainer, you're working like 60% harder.

• 8:07Dax Shepard?

  I believe it.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, right?

• 8:08Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  And it's like, as much as I can do at home, which I was doing it pretty consistently, you kind of plateau. And since I've been going to the gym, I'm like, ooh, I feel different.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  What were you wanting to hear a female opinion on?

• 8:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So what's the hurdle when a girl thinks about first going to the gym?

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I see.

• 8:25Dax Shepard?

  You guys have like an outfit you gotta worry about probably for starters.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, what are you gonna wear?

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Is there makeup going on before the gym?

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Not for me.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  That's not good for the skin.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, totally.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  But some people probably do.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 8:38Dax Shepard?

  Other than SoulCycle, have you ever been to like a weightlifting gym?

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Like have I, what's it, subscribed?

• 8:44Dax Shepard?

  Or just like gone to like an Equinox in like.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:47Dax Shepard?

  You have?

• 8:48Speaker 01

  I have, but I've never joined a gym.

• 8:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, okay, good.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Cause I know you can't quit. You know, I've learned about that from friends.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 8:55Dax Shepard?

  It's like the Sea Org commitment in Scientology.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  I get what you're saying.

• 8:58Dax Shepard?

  Billion year.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  They won't let you. They take you in a separate room. I've seen this and I'm scared. So no, oh, oh, but I was a cheerleader in high school. I had to bring that up. Competition cheerleader and we weight trained three times a week.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  In the football weight training.

• 9:13Dax Shepard?

  But with your team, right? All your fellow girls?

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Without other people. Yeah, I do think it's scary to just, you feel like you're in a fishbowl at the gym. People are looking at you.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  I know. That's why I like this gym though. There's only ever like three other people working out there at the most. Everyone's kind of in their own world.

• 9:29Dax Shepard?

  Do you see other famous people there?

• 9:30Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Extra motivation, baby.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  That's good. But also you look stupid at the gym. Like if you're doing it right, you're like breathing bad.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  For sure. But again, when it's so intimate like that at this gym, you don't care. Everyone's in it. We're all looking like idiots. We're all sweating our asses off. It's fine.

• 9:49Dax Shepard?

  Would it feel unethical for you to tell me the biggest celebrity you've seen there working out?

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Gosh, I only say this becau- oh gosh.

• 10:00Dax Shepard?

  I'll match you.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Why don't you do a charades and we'll get it.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Okay, um, you know, I say this because I think it's known that his trainer is the guy who owns the gym.

• 10:10Dax Shepard?

  Oh, great.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Is Jake Gyllenhaal.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  Oh, we love Jake.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  Beast.

• 10:14Dax Shepard?

  Jakey G.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Oh, Jakey G.

• 10:16Dax Shepard?

  With everything, the lats, the fucking abs.

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 10:19Dax Shepard?

  Did you see Roadhouse?

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  That vibe, man.

• 10:25Dax Shepard?

  He wouldn't quit.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Oh, no. Tell me yours.

• 10:27Dax Shepard?

  Put it on me, Jake.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  One up me, baby.

• 10:29Dax Shepard?

  Well, this one's special because A, it was in the wild.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Oh, oh.

• 10:33Dax Shepard?

  And I would agree, it's like a top five body of all time in cinema.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 10:37Dax Shepard?

  Daniel Craig at a hotel in London.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Tell me about that in person.

• 10:41Dax Shepard?

  Well, sadly, I didn't get to watch him in action. It was, he was exiting with a good sweat and a sheen on.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  But he was, it was post gym where he was popped up, man. Yeah.

• 10:54Dax Shepard?

  He had the pump on. What was crazy is our friend Molly was there and she had observed him through the whole workout. And I was like, Molly, could you just not take your eyes off of him? And she's like, I was so afraid to look at him.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? We respect Molly for not looking though.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, we do.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  We don't quite understand the not looking, but we respect it.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  I respect it. I respect it. You can't just be gawking at someone, again, bad breathing. People are doing weird breathing.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  He's in a place though where it's like, he's in his element when he's in that gym. And typically when you're doing something that you love, that you know you're good at, you don't mind people gawking a little.

• 11:30Dax Shepard?

  He's like a stand-up doing his routine. He wants everyone to see.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  I like that. I like that.

• 11:35Dax Shepard?

  He's throwing the fucking big pass or whatever.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  Let me circle back real quick to why we started talking about all this. My wife giving you a compliment, doesn't it feel good coming from Allison?

• 11:46Dax Shepard?

  You can't imagine. I mean, you can, cause you're married to her.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Every day.

• 11:50Dax Shepard?

  Does she let it rain on you?

• 11:51Speaker 02

  There's times where she like really lets it flood, man. And I'm just like waking up every day and she's like, you look good. And I'm like, really? Tell me more.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  But like, she's just this ray of light that it's like when she shines it on you, there's no feeling like it.

• 12:06Dax Shepard?

  Tell me more. Because virtually the only line of reasoning that I won't interrupt is if you've got a lot to say about my physique. I have all day for that.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  God, you're so right. Oh.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  Well, that's a good trick if you want to get you to stop talking.

• 12:23Dax Shepard?

  That is. Easily steamroll. I'll say this about Kristen. Kristen has found the magic ratio of withholding approval from me.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 12:33Dax Shepard?

  And giving me approval.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 12:35Dax Shepard?

  Because I don't do well if I think someone likes me too much or I have a quote fan. I don't want to.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  Oh, I getcha. Does it ever get to the point with her though, where it feels like she's going too far?

• 12:46Dax Shepard?

  No, this is what I'm saying is I tip my hat to her for 19 years. Somehow she's kept me at like 1% below what I want.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 12:55Dax Shepard?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:56Dax Shepard?

  So I'm wondering this.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Something to work up to still.

• 12:59Dax Shepard?

  How do you do with too much affection not enough? Like, here's what it is. I want to win her over every day.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Oh, I get it.

• 13:05Dax Shepard?

  Where are you at?

• 13:06Speaker 02

  That's interesting. I don't know if I put a limit on it. Just shower me, baby. Just let me have it.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  That's honest.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  That said, like, when it is, when she is like feeling super cuddly or affectionate, I think my natural inclination is to be like, stop.

• 13:22Dax Shepard?

  Well, I actually bring it up because there's this hilarious moment, and I had already heard the story the first time you were on, about the wonderful night in New Orleans where you guys had your 72 hours of bliss. But a new detail I heard in my research this go around was that after that first night of fun, when you woke up in the morning, she was gently kissing your shoulder.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, man.

• 13:46Dax Shepard?

  See, now that's the kind of thing that might make me panic.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  It's interesting because with the wrong person, that's panic material. Yeah. I mean, so basically we had this crazy first night together, literally on drugs, just going nuts. And I think we said it before, we slept together the first night and then we wake up and she wakes me up with these gentle little back kisses.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Wow, that is, wow, yeah. That could go either way.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 14:13Dax Shepard?

  Good for her.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Good for her for going for it.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  She must have known.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but she, what she reminded me of recently, she told me, maybe it was that next morning, she was like, hey, I'm not looking for anything serious. I'm here to basically like, let's fuck around until you find the girl that you're gonna marry. And I was like, whoa, did you mean that? Or was that a ploy? Monica, how are you in terms of withholding, giving affection?

• 14:37Speaker 03

  I'm pretty withholding.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  I think.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Why is that?

• 14:41Speaker 03

  I think I can be quite affectionate, but I also didn't grow up with a lot of like

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Oh, that's fair.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  physical affection, or even I would say verbal affection.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  So it's not like all that natural to me. So it really requires a full body butterfly. Like, I can't not.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  I get that. Do you feel a little even uncomfortable or vulnerable when you're fully going for it with someone? Even with friends? Will you allow yourself to be like very effusive with friends?

• 15:09Speaker 03

  Very. That's a good question.

• 15:11Dax Shepard?

  I answer for you. I think she's a lot better at doing it behind their back.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 15:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So it's not that she doesn't have it. I just think you're more prone to like tell all of us how spectacular Jess is before you would ever tell Jess how spectacular.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 15:27Dax Shepard?

  And then, so there's something interesting there.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  I don't want anyone's like head to get too big. I mean, I will if somebody's down. Maybe that, if like, if somebody's down, I do think I'm like, what do you mean? You're so great. But if.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  If someone's doing great, they're flying, like, I don't need to boost them even further. Okay.

• 15:49Dax Shepard?

  Monica, can I ask this really dicey question?

• 15:51Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 15:52Dax Shepard?

  Do you think it's if that you lay it on that much and they realize how great they are, they won't want to be around you?

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  I feel like people are the opposite. I feel like if you're telling someone how great they are, they're like, oh, I want that person around me all the time, right?

• 16:06Dax Shepard?

  Well, we know that to be true, but I think a lot of people think they're friends with somebody that's out of their league or they're dating someone out of their league. And that's why dudes who are insecure or want to control their ladies, that's why they're nagging them. Like, they think, oh, if I lower their self-esteem, they'll feel like I'm worthy of them.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  These sound like unhealthy relationships.

• 16:25Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  I'm thinking of the people in my life who are like my close circle. I want to tell them every second how great they are.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  Oh, that's so nice. I don't think that's how I love.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  I think most people, maybe I'm wrong, we'd have to do a poll, but I think most people who I do love, who I'm very close to, feel loved by me.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  I don't think that they're like, mm.

• 16:47Dax Shepard?

  It's through your actions.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  A lot of, it's through my actions. I also do a lot of checking in. I am very much like, haven't talked in a while, let's check in. Instead of just like, I love you, you're so great. So it's different approaches, but I'm gonna be thinking about this.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  This makes me think, how are you guys in terms of, cause I was just talking to a friend about this the other day, are you guys generous laughers?

• 17:09Dax Shepard?

  Yes. Well, I know I am, and I don't know what it was like before the Groundlings, but I certainly know because I was at the Groundlings and on Wednesday nights, everyone all week long has written five or six sketches. So you watch 100 sketches from like 6:00 PM to 1:00 in the morning.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  Well.

• 17:24Dax Shepard?

  And as a team, as people who love each other, like you show up for those sketches. And if your sketch goes up at 10 o'clock at night, everyone knows like, let's fucking go, you know?

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:32Dax Shepard?

  So I think I did have years of really learning to be that way. But I'll be at table reads and stuff and I'm like, guys, what the, why aren't you giving it up? Maybe they think it's rude. I don't know. How about you?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  I think I am. I think I am. And it's nice. It's nice to be around those people who are always laughing.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  It is.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  If you really break it down, there might be a tiny bit of insincerity, maybe.

• 17:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  But like, for the most part, they're just want to have a good time. They're just trying to encourage you, keep, yeah.

• 17:58Dax Shepard?

  Of all the things you could get caught doing, trying to make someone feel good by adding 10% to the laugh. Like, I'll live with getting busted for that.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  That is very true.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  I was talking to my buddy and he was like, I don't know if I'm a generous laugher. And I think that is something that I actually can change about myself and that I do want to change going forward because he's a funny guy himself.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  And maybe that's why he's not a generous laugher, because he's like, I want you to earn it from me. I'm around really funny people. If I'm gonna laugh, I want to really laugh.

• 18:24Dax Shepard?

  He's ahead of it sometimes, probably. He saw it coming.

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:28Dax Shepard?

  Well, also, hmm, now this is tricky because I have kids as well. And I did feel this crazy obligation. I'm like, I also need to teach them what funny is. So I'm not laughing at their shitty jokes.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:41Dax Shepard?

  They'll know when it's real.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:43Dax Shepard?

  When they get me, okay, this is a dangerous one. I'm gonna say it anyways because I'll stand by the fact that it is not racist.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Oh, boy.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Good way into any story.

• 18:51Dax Shepard?

  Absolutely. So we ordered Katsu, our favorite sushi place on Friday night. And everyone's kind of waiting, you know, everyone's impatiently waiting for the food. Someone was like, where's the food? I look it up and I go, okay, uh, the Japanese food will be here in 13 minutes. And my kids are on high alert for anything racist or homophobic, right? Cause they're little kids in LA. And they go, Dad, as soon as I say Japanese food. And I go, guys, it is Japanese food. There's nothing racist going on. You're allowed to say Japanese.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:23Dax Shepard?

  So anyways, basically, I'm three to one. But then five minutes later, the little ones watching TV and she goes, Dad, when's that Japanese food getting here?

• 19:34Speaker 03

  That's a great callback.

• 19:35Dax Shepard?

  I was just level.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 19:37Dax Shepard?

  Cause it was so unexpected, cause I was already in trouble and then she flipped.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  That's good, that's good. But like, when you don't laugh at one of their jokes, it doesn't deter them. They're not like, oh, I'm gonna, ooh, I feel like, ooh, I can't maybe put myself out there again.

• 19:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I don't shame them. I just smile, like, good attempt.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Not funny.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Try again.

• 19:54Dax Shepard?

  I'm not passing on like accounting skills to them or manufacturing wherewithal. I know one thing.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  You've got something that you really can't pass on though.

• 20:04Dax Shepard?

  That's all I got to pass on.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Well, both of their parents are funny.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly.

• 20:07Dax Shepard?

  Some automotive knowledge.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  You know who the friend I was talking about, who's trying to be more of a generous laugher, is Hunter Cope, who you did his show, The Perfect Parfait.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  And Hunter loves you and he really appreciates you coming on the show.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  That was so fun.

• 20:21Dax Shepard?

  Is he single?

• 20:22Speaker 02

  Hunter is not.

• 20:23Dax Shepard?

  He's not, is he open to a divorce? If I paid for the legal fees?

• 20:27Speaker 02

  He's pretty newly married.

• 20:29Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  We can discuss, we can check in.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  We need to let that, you know, linger for a little bit.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  But Hunter, he's got this interview show that has some DNA from Between Two Ferns.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  And Monica went on and he truly said, you were the greatest and I watched your episode and you were just such like a team player, you were just game for everything.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  That's so nice. Well, you know, part of the reason I went on is I was like, what's this? Like, I came through my agency. And then I was like, oh, Dave did it, I'll do it.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Is that why? Really? Oh, cool. Oh, good.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like, oh, he's signing off on this. And then it was so fun. They're very funny and fun.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It's nice when you see your friends do something that is just so purely them. It's just like unfiltered Hunter this show. And what that means is on this show, he's asking me about analingus.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  Yes, of course.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  And which Skarsgård brother I'd rather fuck. But like, that's Hunter, it's great, you do you, man.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  Sounds like this show, really. Oh, I was gonna say that when we were talking earlier about intimacy, sort of. I think holding hands is more intimate than anal.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Is that a true statement?

• 21:32Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 21:35Dax Shepard?

  I debated her at times on this, but I never thought to just say.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  I get what, I get the hyperbole that we're going, yeah.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  It's a bit of a hyperbole, but I do think it's the most intimate thing you can do is holding, definitely than kissing.

• 21:47Dax Shepard?

  But Monica, I have to throw a hypothetical at you.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:51Dax Shepard?

  You just got an Uber ride home from the airport, fill in the blanks to who the dude is in LA. And at the end, you're about to get out and an angel comes down and goes, to save the world, you either have to hold his hand or have him buttfuck you. What are we picking?

• 22:04Speaker 02

  How long we holding the hand for?

• 22:06Dax Shepard?

  As long as the buttfucking would take, I presume.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Fingers interlocked?

• 22:10Dax Shepard?

  Lots of caressing while holding the hand.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 22:12Dax Shepard?

  Maybe even coming up under the wrist a little bit.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 22:15Dax Shepard?

  Full intimacy.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  Okay, how sweaty's the hands?

• 22:17Dax Shepard?

  The platinum package.

• 22:20Dax Shepard?

  Well, he's been driving, smoking cigarettes and saying, I'm in the parking lot.

• 22:23Speaker 03

  He's a dirtbag, this guy.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Monica, answer the question.

• 22:25Dax Shepard?

  You're taking a version.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, if it was a stranger, I'd handhold. It's not when it's a stranger, it's if you're on a date. Like, I went on a date with someone and he started holding my hand and I was like, oh, no, get me out of this situation.

• 22:40Dax Shepard?

  My ass is yours to do with as you wish.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Just picking this apart, handholding is very intimate, like we're in a relationship. This is a more serious thing. A buttfuck.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  It just feels a little more raw, a little more like.

• 22:54Dax Shepard?

  Requires more trust.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Well, no.

• 22:56Dax Shepard?

  The buttfuck.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Well, yes, of course.

• 22:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  I trust me, I'm trying to get on board with her theory here. I don't agree with it, but I'm trying to see your side of things.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  It's cause that's, okay, more trust in that, cause they could do something bad to me.

• 23:12Dax Shepard?

  You need them to really, no, you need them to be proceeding at a velocity and tempo. They have to be very dialed into what you're up to.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  It feels like you're kind of remembering one instance where someone maybe held your hand and you didn't like it, yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  And I really didn't like it.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  But it was just the wrong guy at the wrong time.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  I know, but even like sometimes Jess, my best friend, sometimes will grab my hand. He's my best friend, I love him, but I'm like, oh, it does something weird to me holding hands.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  Can I hold your hand by the end of this interview? And then, Dax, I want you to fill me up by the end of this interview.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  Buttfuck me and then just do it, yeah, do whatever you want, otherwise, yeah.

• 23:51Dax Shepard?

  And Monica, to make this a full circle, you'll be making me a salad.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Oh, great. That's fun. How fun.

• 23:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay, but I want to circle back to, so when she said the part about inflating someone and I made the.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  My hand is getting a little sweaty, thinking about holding your hand. Continue, continue.

• 24:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I would be drenched right now. Cause you know how high the stakes are.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Sure, yeah.

• 24:09Dax Shepard?

  You'd either be a life partner or not.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  I know, and I just want to change your whole mindset on this, continue.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  That's really nice.

• 24:13Dax Shepard?

  But the thing I was touching on with her giving a lot of compliments and me asking if her fear would be then they might leave her, it was a pattern that she had told me about before, which so many people have, which is like, you're into somebody, you think they're out of your league. And then low and behold, they start liking you. And then what the brain does, cause it's corrupt, is it says, not, oh, yay, I got the thing. It goes, oh, you're not as good as I thought you were, cause you like me.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 24:39Dax Shepard?

  And now I'm not into you, cause I went mean to someone that likes me. So you can wrap your head around that frame of mind, right?

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Oh, 100%.

• 24:46Dax Shepard?

  But that isn't you, right? Cause the approval thing doesn't appeal to you or wanting to win it.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Gosh, I guess I can only just talk about my own experience, like when I first met Allison. And I know this is a rare thing and I personally don't always feel this, but when we met each other, for whatever reason, both of us just allowed ourselves to be vulnerable and just be like, hey, I'm in, let's not play any games, this might not work, one of us might get hurt, we both might get hurt. But for whatever reason, there's an energy here that I feel safe to just go all in on.

• 25:17Dax Shepard?

  No protection.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 25:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Didn't even use a condom the first time.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  I was waiting, I was waiting.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  We did, we did. That was the only protection.

• 25:25Dax Shepard?

  That was the only responsible thing you did that night.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 25:28Dax Shepard?

  Because what I love about you is as a kid, I find this so endearing. You just were so in love with being in love, right? You were sensitive and you were listening to music. And when you got a girlfriend, you were writing her poems at a very young age. And then you had another girlfriend on Valentine's Day, you went to every single classroom and to put a rose in the classroom, she would get it, and then you've later admitted it was way too early to do that.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  I was a sensitive, romantic boy. Yeah, yeah. It is interesting, because I guess thinking about even like my dating history, before, obviously, I met Allison, I had always been the person who, I didn't have many one night stands. I would kind of meet someone through a friend and whether it became like a real thing or just for a few months, it was never a quick thing, really. It was always like, ooh, I don't know how to do just a quick thing with someone that I have no connection with. Which also became tricky, because when you kind of have a connection enough to hang out for a few months, then feelings do get involved. It was a little tricky navigating that, but I guess this is a long way of saying, I don't know how to just kind of be that guy who's like, oh, I'm not gonna be nice to you. I'm gonna just come in, we're gonna fuck and that's it.

• 26:33Dax Shepard?

  So I know at least minimally a couple of times you got broken up with.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  Definitely my heart broken, for sure, yes.

• 26:38Dax Shepard?

  So these girls that broke up with you.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:41Dax Shepard?

  I mean, you're so fucking cute. It gives me butterflies to look at you. I'm not even kidding you. Like, the way you smile and close your eyes and I see your wisdom teeth, it's so cute. And you're so.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  No one's ever talked about seeing those wisdom teeth. I've been waiting my whole life, it's taken 41 years, baby.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Move over, Allison.

• 27:01Dax Shepard?

  But you're so cute and you're really, really smart and you have got a great personality. So I guess my question is, why were these girls leaving you? And do you think it's cause you were too available that you didn't withhold enough?

• 27:13Speaker 02

  You know what's interesting? When I'm thinking about this one person, it might have been that. I was all in where I was like, this is the person I'm going to marry. Without going too much into it, again, I didn't hold back. She knew exactly how I felt. I was going above and beyond to let her know. And even when I could feel a change, I knew things were changing in how she felt about me. I wouldn't allow myself to accept it. I was like, okay, she's not treating me great, but that's okay.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  This is the woman I'm gonna marry, this is the phase.

• 27:47Dax Shepard?

  So my wife doesn't like me, okay.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  I've heard that's normal.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  But it would be, not that I would ever ask her this, but like, it would be interesting to be like, hey, was he too available? Was he piling it on too hard?

• 28:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and you know what's interesting is like, that is the right thing to do. I would not want to suggest people shouldn't do that. But I will say, for a lot of people, I think that's the line you're trying to toe. And sadly, because I think a lot of us are very insecure and a lot of us are operating like Monica did and how I did, I was constantly figuring out what girl I couldn't get. And then spending my entire waking life trying to get them.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:24Dax Shepard?

  And then if I got them, just this mass confusion would follow. A, I didn't like myself more, which I thought was supposed to happen. Like, why don't I now think I'm worthy of them?

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:34Dax Shepard?

  And then it just gets all murky.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  What I'll say about just this girl I was just talking about, I wouldn't have done anything differently. It's not like, knowing what I know now, I'd go back and be like, ooh, maybe I should be a little more coy and not give her everything, because ultimately, she wasn't the girl for me.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 28:48Dax Shepard?

  And what I'll argue is she might have been insecure, whereas Allison is very secure, or to me.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 28:54Dax Shepard?

  Seems like Belle, or just like some preternatural fucking confidence.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  For sure. That was part of the reason I was drawn to Allison. It was like, she knows who she is, she's very confident, she's so independent, she doesn't need me, but maybe I can bring a little extra boost to her life.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:09Dax Shepard?

  So if you, a cute dude like you is super into her, she's not thinking something's wrong with the cute dude who's super into me, cause I'm not worthy of that.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 29:17Dax Shepard?

  So I guess that is, if you can assess appropriately, your partner is a little insecure, then I do think it's at least tactically advisable to monitor that. And then like, we slowly lift the self-esteem over time.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  I don't know, I agree with Dave. I feel like all it means is it's not the right match. You are you, so if you are trying to not be you to sort of do this thing for this other person, it's like, it's just not gonna work, ultimately.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  It might last for a while, but you're not gonna maybe be happy.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  Exactly. Ultimately, you're just not the right fit.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  With Allison, as open as we are with each other and as much as like, we don't hold back on affection, when she's watching a project of mine, I know if she really likes it. That's something she can't hide, no matter what. And when I get her to laugh, there's literally no better feeling in the world. I remember the first time she was watching The Studio and I've never seen her laugh at me like that. And it just like, it gives me goosebumps even saying it right now. And I was like, ooh, I got her.

• 30:16Dax Shepard?

  There's nothing better.

• 30:17Speaker 03

  Oh, that's so lovely.

• 30:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay. I had one curiosity. You are not on social media and people are astounded by that. And I've heard you answer questions about that already. I'm hoping to bring a novel question to the table on this topic, which is because you're not in the bubble with the rest of us. Do you feel like you have a unique perspective as an outsider of watching us all get infected by these memetic moments that sweep through social media? An example I'll give is like currently we're all obsessed with ADHD.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 30:48Dax Shepard?

  And I don't think if I had Instagram, I would think about it at all.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  I'm not aware of that. Yeah.

• 30:54Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So you're not aware, but, but you don't observe, like, are you ever somewhere and it's like, you notice seven people at dinner are all talking about some topic where you're going like, how is everyone abreast of this weird topic?

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know what it is? It's more going off of what I just said, where I'm just blissfully unaware. I don't even know what the trends are. And because of that, I actually do feel a little on the outside sometimes where I'm like, I don't know what people are talking about. I don't know what the latest trends are. Is that affecting my own creativity of what I'm putting out there where I want it to be relevant? I want it to hit the zeitgeist. But like, so there is fear of that, I guess, of just not being tapped into what's happening. But at the same time, it's worth it for me to not have the mental anguish of being on social media. I just know for me, no shame to anyone else. I get the advantage of it. I get why it's so addictive. I get all the stuff, but it just scares me. I just don't want to put myself out there to a bunch of strangers

• 31:51Speaker 02

  who inevitably will tear me down every single day. I don't want that negativity in my life on a daily basis.

• 31:58Dax Shepard?

  I love it. You are too sensitive for it.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 32:00Dax Shepard?

  And I am too sensitive for it, too, yet I'm there.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  I think we all are. And that's why everyone's like so messed up right now.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert. If you dare.

• 32:14Dax Shepard?

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• 35:20Dax Shepard?

  We get support from Instagram Teen Accounts. So we talk a lot on this show about how the world is different now than when we were growing up. And one of the biggest differences is obviously social media. And I think a lot of people wonder, okay, what's actually being done to make it safer for teenagers?

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Which is a fair question.

• 35:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So Instagram has got something called Teen Accounts, and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age-appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Sleep mode is genius.

• 36:05Dax Shepard?

  Right? And here's the thing. For anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on, and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age-appropriate experiences for teens.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  I am really glad Instagram's helping to give parents peace of mind with Teen Accounts.

• 36:25Dax Shepard?

  Learn more about Teen Accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com/teenaccounts.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  For you guys, how do you monitor it to where it doesn't just make you feel bad?

• 36:44Dax Shepard?

  I've done everything I can, which is like, I will never read comments that are not on my page.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Is that true? And you really stick to that?

• 36:50Dax Shepard?

  Oh, 1,000%.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 36:52Dax Shepard?

  We post our shit on YouTube, but I have no control over YouTube. I've never looked at comments on YouTube. I never will.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  That's very healthy.

• 36:57Dax Shepard?

  On mine, there are some guardrails you can put. Like, you can make it so only people who follow you comment. Because if they're already following you, they probably like you.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 37:06Dax Shepard?

  And no one's going to follow you just to make a shitty comment and then unfollow you. When I change it to that, that weeded out like 99% of the negative stuff I read. I'm ruthless. Like, if you say anything shitty about a guest, or anything shitty about me or my family, you're just gone. You're blocked. Like, this is the party I'm hosting. I don't want someone like that at my party. I've figured out a way to do it where it's not. Because I am very sensitive, too.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Would you say, though, almost every day, you'll still come across something that gives you a little pang? It makes you feel bad?

• 37:34Dax Shepard?

  Totally. I'll tell you the even weirder thing is that I will often, instead of blocking someone, I'll restrict them. Which means that they're free to comment, but it'll never be seen by anyone, and they don't know that.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  You can see it and no one else can see it.

• 37:47Dax Shepard?

  Exactly. So if someone comments on my thing and I don't like it, I can restrict them. And then going forward, they're not blocked. They go to my page, it looks the same. They'll write a comment. They don't know nobody can see it.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  What does that do for you?

• 37:59Dax Shepard?

  Well, I'll tell you what it does for me is like, I took this from Kristin, who took that approach. She gets people on there calling her, you know, a devil for vaccines, crazy shit. And she's like, I don't want those comments on my thing, but I want that person still exposed to how I'm living my life, because I want to win them over.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 38:18Dax Shepard?

  And I was like, oh, that's fascinating. Yeah, I guess I still want my message. I don't want to exclude someone from something I believe in putting out there. But anyways, this is all to say, people have written terrible things, right? And I'm like, oh, they hate me. Why are they even following me? They hate the show. Why do they listen to it? And then I'll notice when I uncover the restricted, so I can read it. It's like a really beautiful comment, three days later, or a week later.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Really?

• 38:41Dax Shepard?

  And I've had to acknowledge, oh, yeah, I'm also putting way too much weight on the one I saw. Like, they could have been cranky. They might not feel that way all the time. It might have felt that way for four minutes and made a comment. Like, I've written them off as an asshole.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:53Dax Shepard?

  And then I've had to recognize, oh, they're back and they've written something lovely. So that's been kind of eye opening.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  That all makes sense to me. I guess, I'm curious if there's an element of it, too. Because you can see it and no one else can see it. Is there something where, when you put something out there, you almost don't want that person to infect how other people view your thing?

• 39:11Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  Right?

• 39:12Dax Shepard?

  And largely, it's protective of the guest. Because generally, most of my posts are just episodes of the show. I do not want one of our guests to go see how people like the episode and see shitty things about themselves.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Makes a lot of sense to me. And that's very kind of you to protect the guest.

• 39:25Dax Shepard?

  I'm mostly policing it for our guests.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  That makes a lot of sense to me. Okay. What's your relationship with social media right now?

• 39:30Speaker 03

  I hate it, and I'm on it. And I don't see how to get off. Like, I don't see it end in sight. Because also, for promotion, for the show, and work, and campaigns, and all these things, and it feels like I need it. But I only look at the comments, the first chunk of comments that are people, not only who follow me, who I know.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Are the first chunk always from people you know? Do they filter those to the top?

• 39:56Dax Shepard?

  They prioritize who you follow.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay, that's nice.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  I just look at those people, and then I stop once I get to the first one that I don't know.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Just being totally candid.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  I got to imagine sometimes you get a little curious and go further.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Good for you. That's amazing.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  One time I got in trouble on here for something, and then I got curious.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 40:16Dax Shepard?

  Anytime you're in trouble, you're kind of brave.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  And that's the worst time to be doing it, obviously. But I was like, oh, oh, no. Oh, my God, they're saying this. Oh, no. So that was bad. But for the most part, I'm very, and we've had so many conversations about this, because he used to look at the comments on our Armchair page. And I was like, don't do it.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Because did it actually affect how you were in here?

• 40:38Speaker 03

  We would get, sometimes it would, not in here, but I think like, well, we should do this. And it's like, well, we don't need to necessarily do that. That's one person saying this.

• 40:46Dax Shepard?

  I think what really affects me is like, I read it and I can intellectually write that off. That's a person with a parrot on their shoulder. But three hours later, I'm driving down the 101, absentmindedly thinking, and the comment just flashes across my eyes. And I'm like, oh, it has an effect, I mean, more than I'm willing to admit. Is there any part of it that you feel like you're missing? Like, is there anything that sometimes you go like, huh, maybe I do want?

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, some of these trends seem fun. I'd be curious to participate in that every once in a while. And there's an element of, especially within my people I know, on Instagram, they follow each other. They keep up on each other's lives through Instagram, seeing pictures of their kids and stuff. And so I'm definitely missing out on that.

• 41:24Dax Shepard?

  Do you have hobbies?

• 41:25Speaker 02

  I've realized recently that my hobbies sadly are revolving around my work a little bit. And I don't even know if you'd call that a hobby, but it's like, I've gotten to the point where when I have time off, I get excited because I'm like, ooh, I have time to write now.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  So I don't know how healthy or unhealthy that is, but maybe it says something about how I feel very lucky that my work is something that I love to do and that even on my off time, I want to keep working.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:51Dax Shepard?

  I think that's great. And more of the reason that you don't need Instagram, because like, I love off-roading and motorcycles and cars and boats. I'm seeing the coolest new boat. Some dude did this with a motorcycle. Like, I'm just like, oh, all my hobbies, I'm kind of following accounts that are people doing my hobbies and I love that.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  That's cool. The only other way it hurts me is that I've never really done like a paid campaign.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  That's what I was about to ask you.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Because that's such a huge part of it is they need people with Instagram or with social media followers.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  And no one wants me. Trust me, we've tried. No one wants me.

• 42:22Dax Shepard?

  Have you never been in a commercial?

• 42:24Speaker 02

  It's been a while.

• 42:25Dax Shepard?

  What was the last spot?

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Ooh, I did these two, uh, you know.

• 42:29Dax Shepard?

  ODM ADs?

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. You know, Madden, the video game?

• 42:33Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  So I did these two back-to-back Madden commercials. They're so cool. They put so much money in it. They get like real NFL players. It was so fun. I did one with Kevin Hart and then one with my buddy Christmas Ploss. And I think the reason that maybe I was able to do the first one with Kevin Hart is because they're like, oh, Kevin can take care of the, he's got enough followers that maybe we can pair him with someone who people maybe like a little bit, but like, he's not going to help us on the social media front. Allison and I, in the past handful of years, we've found a way, and we feel very lucky, that we've been able to kind of like build these projects from the ground up. When you do that, it's so much work. It kills you every step of the way until the movie is released, for years. But for those projects, these passion projects, you're making no money.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  It's all for the passion. And so it is amazing when Allison does do these campaigns sometimes. In one day, in four hours, she is making 100 times the amount that we made on our passion project that we spent four years on.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's a give and take because that's how you have the money to do those things.

• 43:35Dax Shepard?

  Okay, now you and I share a funny distinction that not a lot of people have earned. And I feel like it's a real two-sided coin. So you were voted like sexiest cat owner. People's sexiest cat dad.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Something like that, yeah.

• 43:50Dax Shepard?

  And I similarly had a very small window in that issue as like a dog owner.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:56Dax Shepard?

  They call it good news, you're gonna be sexy. And I'm like, you mean Kristen's dogs? That I tolerate. That's the only way I got into that issue and it was for having a dog. And I felt like flattered and very disappointed. You know what? Feelings.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  All flattery, baby.

• 44:10Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you!

• 44:11Speaker 03

  You're so funny!

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Come on, man. What's not to like?

• 44:18Speaker 02

  Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I realized a long time ago that being the guy who's obsessed with cats, especially when I was the single guy obsessed with cats, that was a rarity. And I realized that when it started coming up in every interview I did and.

• 44:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, people couldn't wrap their heads around it.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  I was like, is this not normal for a single guy to have two 18-pound cats?

• 44:41Dax Shepard?

  Were they manikins or whatever they called?

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Not even. They were just big tabbies. They were just big boys.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Did you grow up with cats?

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, also at the time, having 36 cumulative pounds of cat also weeded out the dating pool. Not a lot of girls are down with that.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  Right. I don't love cats.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  There we go. Would that be a deal breaker, though?

• 45:02Speaker 03

  No, not if it was you and your wisdom teeth and, you know, all of that.

• 45:07Dax Shepard?

  Plus, though, coming on pretty hard at all times.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 45:11Dax Shepard?

  The cats plus coming on.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  It's an energy for sure. That's a unique energy.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  Like, this guy is interesting.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  No, but it actually makes sense because aren't cats also withholding? And so you're kind of trying to get their affection.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  This is, we're diving deep. We're getting deep, guys. I'm starting to sweat. I'm starting to sweat. God, this is so fascinating.

• 45:37Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  Because like, they are very sweet, cuddly cats and they adore us, but like, they're not giving it to us all the time. We gotta earn it. Sexiest cat dad, baby.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  So when I hear about this, I'm like, you know what? I feel like I've been silently campaigning for this my whole life. And if anything, I'm like trying to use this platform to be like, here's what I want to change. Is there's a stigma against cats in popular culture where every movie, every animated thing, cats are the villains. And I'm like, no. You look at the movie Flo. Did you guys see Flo?

• 46:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Because you guys aren't cat people.

• 46:16Dax Shepard?

  I was shaking my head yes, but I was thinking of Hustle with Flo.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Okay, so just Flo. No, no, no. Flo is a movie, foreign film that came out maybe a year or two ago. And the cat is finally the hero. And guess what? It won the fucking Academy Award.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Let's change the narrative, baby.

• 46:33Dax Shepard?

  That's why we haven't given him a shot. It's like, they're gonna sweep everything.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 46:37Dax Shepard?

  You love your foreign films. Where are you viewing all these foreign films?

• 46:41Speaker 03

  That was a big movie, though, wasn't it?

• 46:42Speaker 02

  It was. I mean, yeah, best, best animated movie.

• 46:45Dax Shepard?

  But he's also seen every single foreign film.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  I see everything. I guess that's part of not having kids is we have time to watch everything. And like, the reason why we're doing all this is because we love movies. And I know that's like an obvious thing to say, but like yesterday, we watched four movies. And like Sunday, we really kind of cherish our Sundays where we're like, lazy Sunday, it's just us. We mostly don't leave the house. Back-to-back-to-back movies, just in bed with the cats.

• 47:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay, was it Now You See Me 3?

• 47:11Speaker 02

  The newest one.

• 47:12Dax Shepard?

  Where you and Woody, which by the way, just had the honor of working with recently.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Oh, you did? How recently?

• 47:19Dax Shepard?

  Uh, February, I think January, February.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Okay, very recently. Isn't Woody a trip?

• 47:25Dax Shepard?

  I love him. We interviewed him. He interviewed me for He and Ted Show. Then we interviewed him.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  He was so fun.

• 47:30Dax Shepard?

  And then some emailing. Talk about someone I like.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  One of a kind.

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Unique.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  He's living life better and harder than anyone I've ever met. He's literally floating. Nothing bad can happen to Woody.

• 47:41Dax Shepard?

  Yet also always has an injury. So he's paying this small price. Literally every time.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Oh, that is interesting.

• 47:48Dax Shepard?

  When we interviewed him, he had just crashed a motorcycle.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:51Dax Shepard?

  When I worked with him on set, he like limped in, couldn't put a shoe on because he fucked up three of his toes.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  I'm picturing him showing up on set, just dashing the middle of his forehead.

• 47:59Dax Shepard?

  That happened?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so it's like he's doing both.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:03Dax Shepard?

  He's got receipts.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  When you live that hard, something's gonna come back.

• 48:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:06Dax Shepard?

  But he has the best sense of humor about all the injuries. He could care less.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  The most fun guy in the world.

• 48:12Dax Shepard?

  I heard you tell a story when you did Ike Show.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 48:15Dax Shepard?

  About partying with him. Was that on 3? Were you guys like in Manila?

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Oh, we were in Macau in Hong Kong. So we were filming in Macau, which is like the Vegas of China. And we had the weekend off. And so a few of us, we were like, let's go to Hong Kong. Just have a nice little adventure in Hong Kong. Wherever we go, Woody has some sort of hookup. And so he had this white guy in Hong Kong named Jez.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  And so that's it.

• 48:40Dax Shepard?

  Not Jazz, the hair guy, Jez.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  By the end of the night, we were all just like, you got a little Jez on your face.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  So Jez is leading us like, we're not getting the authentic Hong Kong experience. We're going to like these restaurants where it's like, also a club.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  So anyway, cuts to the end of the night. We go to Woody's hotel room and he's on like the 50th floor. And of course, he's in the one room where you can actually open the window.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  Because Woody like has this whole thing about fumes and just clean living. He needs some fresh air in there, right?

• 49:11Dax Shepard?

  Again, the paradox that is Woody, which is like, he's injured, but he's floating above everything. He's so healthy, but he is not healthy.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. I love it. So, so we're in Woody's room. It's 4:00 AM. We've been partying with Jez for fucking hours. So at one point, it's 4:00 AM, we're all fucked up. We look over, Woody in his socks is now standing on the open windowsill, cackling. Thinks it's the funniest thing in the world. We're looking over, we're like, Woody, this isn't funny, dude. And we're about to fucking watch Woody Harrelson fall 50 floors and we're gonna be fucking like, it's gonna be on us.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly. This is not a time to be a generous laugher.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Spoiler, he doesn't die. But like, it's just like, this is him. He thinks it's the funniest thing in the world when he's an inch away from fucking death.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 50:01Dax Shepard?

  He also might have survived that fall.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Oh, he probably would have, that little fucker.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Oh, that's so scary.

• 50:08Dax Shepard?

  I know.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Well, you gotta keep in mind too, we've been partying all night too. And so we're not thinking straight. We don't know what to do. It's just this like, oh, God, the worst thing that could possibly happen.

• 50:20Dax Shepard?

  We just blew past the fact that he does have a man in Hong Kong.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 50:24Dax Shepard?

  Which is nuts.

• 50:25Speaker 02

  But he's just world traveler. He's just one of those guys, wherever he goes, he's just Pied Piper. Everyone's following him. Everyone wants to be friends with Woody.

• 50:33Dax Shepard?

  That could be a fun reality show where Woody doesn't know where he's going.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:38Dax Shepard?

  We take him to a country and then he has an hour to get the fixer. And it's like a test to see, will he have a guy in Nairobi that he knows?

• 50:48Speaker 02

  And just to see how big of a crowd he assembles within a short amount of time.

• 50:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Just like, okay, Woody, how many people can you get in this city?

• 50:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  Such a fine line. You could have definitely for the rest of your life been in interviews like this. And it's like, so what happened?

• 51:03Speaker 02

  And that's my legacy for the rest of my life.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  Exactly. You're connected with that moment.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Ooh, I had a moment recently. Oh, God. We were in Venice, Italy, and we were at the Guggenheim Museum. Beautiful museum, very small, very curated. And I'm in this room. Most of the art is paintings on the wall or whatnot. In the middle of the room, there's this table and these little tiny figurines on the table. And I'm talking to my friend and I'm backing up and I bump into the table and it literally rocks a little bit. And in the moment, we were like, we're okay, that's fine, not a big deal. We looked up those figurines. Like eighty million dollars and priceless. That's my legacy for the rest of my life.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  And when I found that out, heart palpitations. I was like, oh, my God, I was that close to my entire life changing forever.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  That's on the Guggenheim, though. They need like a rope.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  It is. We were also joking around a little bit. We were having a good time with the Guggenheim.

• 52:01Dax Shepard?

  The light, the energy.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Rope would be good.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  Rope would be smart.

• 52:05Dax Shepard?

  You travel quite a bit for work.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:07Dax Shepard?

  Have you mastered, like, A, does Alison come again? You don't have kids, which is incredible. Do you guys go with each other when you are shooting? And then, B, have you figured out how to be living your life while you're there as opposed to like just hitting pause and then working? Have you made an art out of filming in Venice and actually taking a day and going to do the things?

• 52:28Speaker 02

  What I love to do when I go to a new city for a while is I'll find all the best food spots. And part of that is I have the greatest friend in the world. He is someone I've known since I was 10 years old, and he happened to be one of the creators of Chef's Table. And so it's literally his job to travel the world and try the best food. And so no matter what city I'm in, he's got me a list. And so I start with his list. And then when I go to a place that I really love, I'll ask the people who work there. I'm like, what are your local spots? Where do you love? And I just compile this list, and I feel like it's a really good way to get to know a city just by eating the food and talking to people at these restaurants. And so I really try to like, hey, this is an opportunity to get to know a new place for three months. And in terms of Alison coming with me, we're pretty good at it.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  I mean, we've been very, very lucky that we've both been pretty busy for a bit. And so it's hard to have one of us go with the other for a long period of time. But we'll definitely make trips out of it, and we'll find out the week I have off and have her come out and really explore the city together. We've been pretty good at finding ways to make being apart bearable. Part of that, and I've talked about this before, and this is gonna be the cheesiest thing I say this entire podcast, but stay with me. Basically, when we're apart from each other, and this has been since day one, instead of going to sleep and writing like, uh, you know, good night, love you text, we essentially write a love letter to each other every night.

• 53:48Dax Shepard?

  On paper or via text?

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Text. It can be a few things. It's usually just a stream of consciousness, things that happened that day that made you think of something in the past, an old photo that you came across. You can get really creative, write a poem, you can do whatever. And what it does is it really makes you kind of sit there and think about the other person in a real way, no matter how tired you are. Let's say I'm in New York, she's in LA, so I go to bed first. So she gets my text before she goes to bed, and I wake up in New York and I start my day with hers. And so to end and start the day where you're really focused on each other, I swear to God, it's part of the reason why we're still together.

• 54:21Speaker 03

  That's incredible.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it takes work. You gotta sit there no matter how tired you are.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  And sometimes you're apart for four months. What is that, 120 texts?

• 54:30Dax Shepard?

  Have you ever woken up to a stinker? You're like, she didn't put the time in.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  Some of them, you're retreading certain territory. You're like, I've heard that one before. But that's part of the fun, too, is finding like new ways to tell her how much you love her.

• 54:43Dax Shepard?

  It's almost a writing exercise.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 54:44Dax Shepard?

  14 years.

• 54:46Speaker 03

  I know.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  14 years, yeah.

• 54:47Dax Shepard?

  That's a big number.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  I know.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  It's not like you're two years in, you're in your honeymoon phase. You're not.

• 54:52Dax Shepard?

  But I think that work is what makes it feel that way.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  What's cool, too, and again, very cheesy, very cliche, but like, it's getting better. And that's when you know you've found the right person. You just settle into this thing that's so fun, and we just laugh together. It's just a good time. I thought of another fun trip story, a recent one.

• 55:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  Okay, so my publicist reached out at the end of last year, and she goes, hey, I received something. I don't know if it's real, but let me know if you want me to look into it. And it was an invite for me and Alison to go meet the Pope at the Vatican. And I go, yeah, look into it.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  So she starts doing some digging, and it's like this very mysterious thing. Like, she can't really get any details, but she gets to a point where she's like, okay, this seems very real. And so my next question was, why did they invite us?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  So she goes, you know, it's this thing celebrating cinema. And I was like, okay, why did they invite us?

• 56:01Speaker 02

  And so anyway, we're like, we're gonna go. Like, what an honor, once in a lifetime thing. So we fly ourselves out to Rome.

• 56:07Dax Shepard?

  Well, good. You just answered a question for me. Because Sideris has a great short story about him being invited, David Sideris.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Oh, oh.

• 56:14Dax Shepard?

  Being invited with all these comedians to meet the Pope.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Okay, yes.

• 56:17Dax Shepard?

  It's an incredible short story.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, I gotta check that out.

• 56:19Dax Shepard?

  The whole time I was reading it, when they invite you, do they fly you? They don't.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  We didn't get flown.

• 56:23Dax Shepard?

  Those bitches are rich, though. The Catholic Church. They're not the government.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  I'm happy to pay.

• 56:29Dax Shepard?

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  So we get an address where they drop us off on this kind of street corner outside of the Vatican, and we get there and there's maybe 100 other people and seemingly mostly Italian, but then some people who it makes a lot more sense than being there, like Cate Blanchett and Viggo Mortensen.

• 56:46Dax Shepard?

  Trimo.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Greta Gerwig.

• 56:48Dax Shepard?

  Exactly.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Totally. And like, again, we're just looking at each other. We're like, just keep your head down. Don't ask any questions. So they bring us through this back beautiful entrance of Vatican City, and we eventually get to this gorgeous room. All these seats lined up, everyone takes a seat. Pope comes out, we all stand, standing ovation, and he gives this beautiful 20-minute speech basically about the importance of movies. And I find out after the fact like how important this was because I was talking to some of the Italians who were there, and they were telling me, I guess, pretty recently, there was conversations of getting rid of all movie theaters in Italy. And so to have the Pope speaking out about like the importance of cinema, it's a huge deal. So then everyone lines up to meet him.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  You know, you get like 10 seconds with the Pope. And so we knew this was coming, so going into it, we were like, what do you say to the Pope? We kind of Googled fun facts about Pope Leo to see if there's any common ground. And I found one, and it's that he's also the youngest of three brothers. And I was like, what an in.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Okay, so we're in line, and we're looking ahead, and we're seeing him interacting with other people. And like, you know, he's being very warm, very gracious, clearly listening intently, giving people their moments.

• 58:02Dax Shepard?

  Forgive my ignorance. He's American, right?

• 58:03Speaker 02

  He's from Chicago.

• 58:04Dax Shepard?

  Right, and he's the first American Pope.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  As far as I know.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  It's very warm interactions, but he's got a pretty straight face. You know, he's not emoting too much. And so we get up there, Alison's before me, and she says something along the lines of like, you know, thank you for inviting us, like what a beautiful speech, and so on.

• 58:19Dax Shepard?

  She should have grabbed his shoulder and said, you're in great shape.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  She won't lie. She will not lie.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  So she goes to the side, and now it's my turn, and I say to him, hey, I am also the youngest of three brothers, and I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've been doing for younger brothers everywhere.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  That's so cute.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  And Alison looks back, and the Pope is smiling. And she's like, you motherfucker.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  And I realized in that moment, the Pope has heard everything.

• 58:49Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  He hasn't heard that.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  And we have this beautiful photo of me shaking his hand, and he's smiling, and it's so wonderful.

• 58:56Dax Shepard?

  I wanna see that. Is that online?

• 58:58Speaker 02

  I can.

• 58:59Dax Shepard?

  You'll show it to you right now.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  I got it, Andy. Let's see. Okay, here we go. All right, so.

• 59:06Dax Shepard?

  God, you're quick with a phone. I'm shocked you're not on social media. You're gonna give me 12 minutes to find a photo.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  So here's Alison, pretty straight face, the Pope, right?

• 59:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  And then, look at that little smile.

• 59:19Dax Shepard?

  Dimples are out, baby.

• 59:21Speaker 02

  Got the dimples out.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that's so cute. I feel like he's not even allowed to do that.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting. He's like, he broke the law.

• 59:35Dax Shepard?

  He had to bring that up in confession, when he smiled at a joke.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. What if he reimbursed you for your flight?

• 59:43Speaker 03

  Just you.

• 59:43Dax Shepard?

  Okay, the last time you were here, I just find this interesting. You were here to promote The Rental, which you had directed.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:49Dax Shepard?

  It was number one at the box office.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:52Dax Shepard?

  At 400 grand, which already might be a record for number one.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  Isn't that insane? So we came out, the very beginning of the pandemic, no other movies were coming out. And the distributor that we were with was like, let's come out. There's power to coming out now because there's no competition. For, I think, the second time ever in the history of film, we were number one at the box office and on VOD at the same time.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:00:16Dax Shepard?

  Only happened twice.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  And again, there's a little bit of an asterisk to it.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 1:00:22Dax Shepard?

  But take it. You just take it.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  It's like Sexiest Cat Dad. Whatever, we're gonna take it. We're gonna take it.

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:00:29Dax Shepard?

  We'll take what we can get. Now, and we just must publicly filate you over the studio.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Appreciate that.

• 1:00:34Dax Shepard?

  What a ride you took us on.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  You're so good in it.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  That was so fun. So when you're doing press for a TV show, you know, they typically will send you all the episodes ahead of time so you can watch it and be knowledgeable about it when you're talking about it in press, right? So I remember, I think I appear in like the third or fourth episode. So I remember being at home and watching the first couple of episodes and I just start sweating. And I'm like, uh-oh, I think this is my new favorite show and I'm about to pop in and ruin this fucking.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  And like luckily I was just so protected by those guys that I think I came off okay. But it's just another example of a situation where you're surrounded by these people that I've known them for 20 years.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  And because of that, I am so comfortable in my scenes in this show. I'm technically playing Dave Franco, but it's me, a version of myself inebriated on alcohol, weed, cocaine and mushrooms, right? And so it's like the most extreme manic version of me. And it's weird to say this, but it was a difficult part to play.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  The nature of the show, as you guys know, every scene throughout the entire season is a one-er, right?

• 1:01:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  No cutting, just these long, continuous takes. And so they've said they typically do like 15 to 20 takes per scene. And sometimes those scenes are six minutes straight. So for me, I'm coming in, I'm on this cocktail of drugs. My energy is at 1,000 and I'm doing these six minute takes of that. And so in between they call cut, I'm in the corner, literally bent over, huffing for air. And they're just waiting for me and they're like, Dave, you good for another? I'm just like 30 seconds, let's go, let's go.

• 1:02:11Dax Shepard?

  Was it talked about getting you some oxygen in between?

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  It wasn't talked about.

• 1:02:15Dax Shepard?

  Okay. I need another producer on the set.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  I'm sure they would have accommodated if I needed it.

• 1:02:19Dax Shepard?

  Oxygen on the down.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  But also there's a scene, I don't know if you guys remember the scene where I'm supposed to like go out on stage and like present.

• 1:02:26Dax Shepard?

  You've gotten your ass kicked.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:02:28Dax Shepard?

  By three dudes you ripped off from doing magic.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  Yes. So there's this five minute take where it starts with me coming in bloodied up. I've just got my ass kicked. I'm still on all these drugs.

• 1:02:39Dax Shepard?

  You're in a great mood.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Great mood.

• 1:02:42Dax Shepard?

  You're like Woody Harrelson.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Exactly. Very Woody.

• 1:02:45Dax Shepard?

  Channeling Woody.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Totally. And then so I'm just full manic and then on a dime, they want me to like, bring it in, go like.

• 1:02:52Dax Shepard?

  Drop in.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  Super suave, come out onto stage and do this monologue in front of a couple of hundred extras who are there in a New York accent. And then shift again, walk off stage, lose all my faculties, pass out and beg to go to the hospital.

• 1:03:06Dax Shepard?

  Well, celebrate, then lose all your.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 1:03:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  So it was this thing where like, if they hadn't written that for me to do, I don't think I would have had the confidence to even try it. But because those guys like know me, it was like, oh, if you guys think I can do this, let's fucking go.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  Let's see what happens.

• 1:03:26Dax Shepard?

  You're like fucking A for alphabet. We're fucking yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Jimmy D for lippy.

• 1:03:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. You crushed it.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh my God. You are so good in it.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Just so rewarding. And there's moments from that episode where I'll be at the airport now and the TSA guy will look at me and go, 21 grams of shrooms.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  And I'm like, I don't think you should be doing that.

• 1:03:53Dax Shepard?

  Everyone runs over and tackles you.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  That's a line that will follow me forever.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  You know what? I just feel so grateful to be even a small part of that.

• 1:04:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So we had Seth on before it came out and I got the season as well.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Dax Shepard?

  And I got to the episode called The One-er. I think it's number three, maybe. I just was in awe.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:15Dax Shepard?

  When we talked to him, he was saying, you know, unlike other projects of theirs where improv's hugely encouraged.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:23Dax Shepard?

  The stakes are so high. He gave a story of Crumholtz.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:26Dax Shepard?

  He's like the last button on a fucking 12 minute take. Cause you improv. That's what I want to get to.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  A little bit. And you do it during the first handful of takes.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Cause what I like about doing 15 to 20 takes is you can try everything. And so by the time everything's honed in by that 15th take, you feel like, oh, I know the best version of the scene. And so in those early takes, I remember this is a small moment, but scripted, I'm supposed to say, oh, I'm going to go win some money at the tables. And so on the very first take, I was like, hey, I'm going to go win some money at the tables. Now you see me style. And no one said anything. So I was like, all right, I'm just going to keep doing that. And what happened was they ended up incorporating now you see me two more times.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  And that's what they do is they're writing up until the second you're filming so they can use stuff that comes on the fly and they can just keep incorporating and building off of it.

• 1:05:21Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Oh, geniuses.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

• 1:05:32Dax Shepard?

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• 1:06:58Speaker 01

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• 1:07:10Dax Shepard?

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• 1:07:25Speaker 01

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• 1:07:25Dax Shepard?

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• 1:09:16Dax Shepard?

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• 1:10:28Dax Shepard?

  So let's talk about idiots.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the premise is it's these two guys, me and O'Shea Jackson Jr. We're down on our luck and we pair up to drive this wealthy teen to rehab. And what we don't realize is this kid is a full on psychopath and he's just, you know, making our life hell every step of the way. And so it's essentially like a fucking balls out comedic version of The Last Detail, if you've ever seen that.

• 1:10:55Dax Shepard?

  With Nicholson.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  Exactly. I read this script like 10 years ago and it's by this writer director named Makin Blair. If you haven't seen his first movie, it's called I Don't Feel at Home in This World Anymore. It's on Netflix. It's fucking awesome. Check it out. I saw that movie about 10 years ago. I've been hounding him ever since.

• 1:11:13Dax Shepard?

  He's also an actor.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. So anyway, I read this script 10 years ago and at the time I was too young to play this part. And so we were like, all right, it's not meant to be on this one. And then like a year and a half ago, I just reached out to him. I was like, whatever happened with that script? And he's like, oh, it almost went and then fell apart. And I was like, if I can be helpful in any way, I'd love to help just push this thing and get it off the ground. And he said, you know what? Fuck it. Let's go.

• 1:11:35Dax Shepard?

  What's step one?

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  Step one was going out, getting some more cast. I'd worked with O'Shea before. I was like, this is our man. I just worked with this kid Mason Thames. Do you guys know Mason? He's like the main kid in the How to Train Your Dragon live action. So I was like, okay, these are our people. And this is just like speaks to how I'm loving making things right now, where I'm just bringing in the people I know and love and I know we're gonna kill it together. And yeah, it's a grind. We don't have a ton of money, but every day we're just coming in and making each other laugh and having a blast doing it.

• 1:12:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, but it's violent and.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. So Makin, he's got these sensibilities where he goes hard on the comedy. He will give you a belly laugh and then immediately give you the most dark violent moment in the movie. And so you're on edge.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  As soon as you feel comfortable, he's gonna pull the rug out. And for me, it's my favorite thing. You know, you're watching a movie, you're halfway through and you're like, I don't fucking know where this is going, how it's gonna end. That's like an impossible thing to pull off these days. Audiences are smart. They usually know from the first five minutes how the movie's gonna end.

• 1:12:41Dax Shepard?

  Well, and they're encouraging people to make them even dumber so you can be on a dual screen. So it's like, yeah, it's getting even.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:12:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  But it's got a great cast. It's the three of us. It's Peter Dinklage, Nicholas Braun, Kieran and Shipka. And everyone just fucking brings it. It's these larger than life characters.

• 1:12:56Dax Shepard?

  Monty, wait till you see Nicholas Braun's character.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  He plays a rapper named Pricka Bush, the werewolf.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:13:04Dax Shepard?

  He's got gold grill.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  Grill, tattoos all over his face. He's got like what can only be described as little baby ponytails all over his head.

• 1:13:14Dax Shepard?

  And his character.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  Incredible.

• 1:13:16Dax Shepard?

  His like voice and his character are fucking incredible.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  It's unrecognizable. It's amazing.

• 1:13:21Dax Shepard?

  And what about Dinklage?

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  What a hero.

• 1:13:22Dax Shepard?

  If my wife was gonna leave me for anybody.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  If we're all leaving our partner for anyone, it's Peter Dinklage.

• 1:13:27Dax Shepard?

  I've never met a dude that was so universally attractive.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  Just everything in every way. It was the first time in a while where the first day meeting him, I was a little starstruck.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  I was just like, okay, I wanna be, I wanna make sure he likes me. And the cool thing about him is that he is so unassuming and disarming. Immediately he's making jokes and immediately putting a you at ease.

• 1:13:50Dax Shepard?

  He's not reminding everyone he's better than them at acting at all times.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  But then he comes in and you can't miss.

• 1:13:56Dax Shepard?

  Straight in the can.

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Dax Shepard?

  That mix of violence and comedy is for me, my very favorite.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  There's something when you introduce that danger early on, it makes it so that you set the stakes where anything can happen, anyone can die. And it's just so unpredictable and fun.

• 1:14:12Dax Shepard?

  What had you worked with O'Shea on prior?

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  Do you remember Quibi?

• 1:14:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure, sure.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  R.I.P. Quibi.

• 1:14:17Dax Shepard?

  Took down a lot of folks.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  We did a show for them and I think the reason we did it was for us to meet each other.

• 1:14:23Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  That's so fun.

• 1:14:25Dax Shepard?

  Now, if I got to work with O'Shea.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:14:28Dax Shepard?

  I would be thinking, okay, how long do we have to be friends before I start asking questions about Ice Cube? You know, it's his son.

• 1:14:37Speaker 03

  Didn't know.

• 1:14:37Dax Shepard?

  He played him in the Straight Outta Compton.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:40Dax Shepard?

  And he looks so much like him.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  What's crazy is O'Shea was guest hosting a podcast like two weeks ago and he had me on. And the first question he brings up was, you know, how is it kind of navigating this industry with a family member who was also in it? We realized in that moment, we had never talked about it before.

• 1:14:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  And maybe it's because we both have been in that situation where.

• 1:15:03Dax Shepard?

  You don't wanna talk about it.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  Where subconsciously, it's not that we don't necessarily wanna talk about it.

• 1:15:06Dax Shepard?

  You've talked about it.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  Yes, we talked about it, but also when you're meeting people, I wanna be me.

• 1:15:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  And so I think both of us just had that internal like thing where we're like, I'm not gonna bring it up and that's okay.

• 1:15:18Dax Shepard?

  A mutual kindness.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:15:19Dax Shepard?

  Well, it is funny because I've had many friends be on this show and in a weird way, I've been like, oh, this is fun. I get to kind of ask them something I would never ask them.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  Exactly. I remember interviewing my brother a long time ago, but I came in with all these questions and I was like, whoa, we've never talked about any of this. And you get kind of vulnerable and it's kind of nice and you learn about each other.

• 1:15:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Dax Shepard?

  The craziest one was interviewing my mom. And we have a crazy open relationship. I was encouraged to ask any question I would ever want to.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  Was there one or two that stood out of like, wow, that was really fun to get into?

• 1:15:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, the one that I never had thought to ask her is my first step dad was super abusive. And my mom's a badass. My mom raised three kids on her own, built this incredible business. She's a fucking tough gangster. By the way, it wasn't pre-planned. It was just my instincts of having interviewed a bunch of people. It's just like, I just heard the story and then my natural question would be like, wow, how does someone like you that is so tough end up in that situation? Like, it's just so not in keeping with the rest of your toughness.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you.

• 1:16:23Dax Shepard?

  And she was like, the shame of having failed at this a second time was more painful than getting beat up.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 1:16:31Dax Shepard?

  And I was like, oh, fuck. You wanna quantify shame?

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:36Dax Shepard?

  That you'd rather get your ass kicked?

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  Ooh, that's heavy.

• 1:16:38Dax Shepard?

  Than experience shame? It's just, it's like so deep about shame.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  It's weird thinking about just asking these people that you know so intimately, like these kind of earnest questions. Again, with my brother, these earnest questions about his process and like, it's just like, if I asked that in real life, he'd be like, dude.

• 1:16:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. And as your brothers, you don't give a fuck. Like, my brother could care cancer. I don't think I'd ask him how he did it.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:17:03Dax Shepard?

  I'd be like, David, I don't know how the fuck he did it. I guess he did it.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  I know. But I have been trying to do that a little bit more in my real life where like my mom was in town last week and we were just kind of walking around the neighborhood. And suddenly we started talking about drugs. And she was like, have you ever done cocaine? And we started getting into that and like talking about the drugs she did when she was younger. And it was cool. We'd never talked about that ever.

• 1:17:27Dax Shepard?

  Did she go hard?

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  She didn't go hard, but she, she had a face.

• 1:17:29Dax Shepard?

  She was at Stanford in the 60s?

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Totally. Yeah, but she had a face.

• 1:17:33Dax Shepard?

  Haight Ashbury is just a stone's throw away.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  Playground, baby.

• 1:17:38Speaker 03

  It is so fun because your family, they're an extension of you. Like you grow up with them as an extension of you. And then when you're in these positions and you get to ask, it's like, oh no, they're really their own person.

• 1:17:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:17:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, when you gotta confront that they exist independently of you and other people have interests.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  That's a good point.

• 1:17:55Speaker 03

  With or without you, they're there. Do you still think that though about being connected to him? Because I actually, it's funny, when we were just bringing this up, I was like, oh yeah, I forgot that. Like at this point in your career, in your life, I feel like you're so your own person.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I've felt that a lot more in recent years for sure. It's a complicated thing where I love my brother and I'm so grateful for the advice he gave me coming through this business and just even watching how he navigated certain situations. And I'm always grateful for that. But I think in recent years, I've kind of gone down my path long enough that people have started to give me my own due.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  You've almost done the impossible by shedding that connection. I think that's very hard to do, actually.

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, especially because he's a very fucking talented. Exactly. This isn't someone who just dipped a toe in.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

• 1:18:45Dax Shepard?

  This is like Frank Stallone in Sylvester. And then you rose up to be co-Sylvester. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's a big shadow.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, congrats to you.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Worked my ass off, yeah.

• 1:18:55Dax Shepard?

  I'm trying to think of my, um, we do Sexy as a Cat.

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  We can go back to that.

• 1:19:02Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my last.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  I have a question.

• 1:19:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  Did your kids see the movie Hoppers? The Pixar movie? How old are they?

• 1:19:11Dax Shepard?

  Eleven and thirteen.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Okay, what was their reaction?

• 1:19:14Dax Shepard?

  Well, I'll tell you the very funny moment. So we were all supposed to watch TV last night. I'm like, I'm so sorry, guys, I gotta do research. So then I'm in bed reading about you. They file in separately, one by one. And the eleven year old sits down and she's like looking at you. And then I don't know what page I'm on, but somehow she goes, oh, was he in Hopper?

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:19:32Dax Shepard?

  She leaves. My thirteen year old comes in. She's staring at you and she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, I know him. What did I see him in? And I go, now you see me? She's like, oh, yes. And she's watched all three.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  I'm surprised that she could place me from Hoppers because obviously that's just my voice.

• 1:19:47Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  Like, most of my friends don't even know I'm in Hoppers.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  But what was fun about that movie is so I play the villain. And this is a kid's movie.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  But like, we were going for it to the point where I was like, guys, is this too far? Like, are we gonna be scaring the kids? I can't tell you how many texts I've received from parent friends of mine basically saying some version of, thank you for giving my children nightmares for their fucking lives. I have one friend who I grew up with. She has a three year old and she was like, it's crazy to say that you are the scariest thing that has happened to my daughter in her lifetime so far.

• 1:20:28Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 1:20:29Dax Shepard?

  You are the boogeyman.

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  Yes. This character is so scary. And like, even during the process of making the movie, and this wasn't on me, this is on the animators. They realized they went one step too far when they animated my character doing the backwards walk from The Exorcist.

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  This is literally scaring the adults now. Like, a reference to The Exorcist in a Pixar movie is one step too far. At the premiere. My character comes on. Thirty seconds later, this mom is carrying out this screaming child. And Allison turns to me, she goes, you did that.

• 1:21:10Speaker 02

  But here's the thing. I take these reviews of like, my friend telling me, oh, you're the scariest part of my daughter's life so far? What a great review.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  Before you ask this next question, Monica, hold my hand real quick.

• 1:21:25Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  Get over here so we can.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  Get over here, get over here.

• 1:21:33Dax Shepard?

  He's in a break of them being sweaty and he knows the strike now.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  Interlocking, interlocking. That's nice, isn't it?

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Immediately nice. Okay.

• 1:21:45Dax Shepard?

  Do you mind if I take my Beyonce off?

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  Dax, you're getting over here and you're feeling me up in a minute.

• 1:21:51Speaker 03

  Okay, how much? Okay, that was.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  That was good, I'm proud of you, I'm proud of you.

• 1:21:56Dax Shepard?

  And about the same duration of a butt fuck.

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  Honestly.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  Honestly, I forgot we were doing it already. I would have done that as long as you would have given me. It seemed like, tell me about your journey there real quick.

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  I was ready to be done.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  Sure, but it seemed like it was nice at first.

• 1:22:10Speaker 03

  Listen, the sensation is nice. I also trust you and like you.

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  But that felt very intimate.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:22:17Dax Shepard?

  Like, you need to apologize to Allison?

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  A little.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  You don't, you don't. Allison felt Dax off.

• 1:22:24Dax Shepard?

  We chose the other, we chose the other option.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:22:28Dax Shepard?

  That was weirdly my very last question, which is Allison's in Masters of the Universe?

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:33Dax Shepard?

  Did she have to get like, extra ripped? She's already in phenomenal shape.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  She was already there. It was maybe like, five percent more. But she loves an excuse to get extra ripped, man.

• 1:22:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, was she like lifting heavier or anything?

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. She's in there not only doing ten pull ups, she's doing that with weight fucking attached to her legs.

• 1:22:51Dax Shepard?

  I need to feel her lats.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  I know. Get in here and feel my lats real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get over, get over.

• 1:22:59Dax Shepard?

  Oh, fuck, it's like holding on to the back of a bat.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  Oh, shit.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Oh, my god. Dude. Get the bicep real quick, get the bicep real quick.

• 1:23:09Dax Shepard?

  Hard as hell and cut.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  If I'm doing all this work, I know you're gonna appreciate this more than anyone.

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  He really is.

• 1:23:22Dax Shepard?

  Absolutely.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  He's gonna be thinking about that for days.

• 1:23:25Dax Shepard?

  And then also, do we just wanna say two seconds about Forgotten Island? You're in another.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  So Forgotten Islands, another animated thing, DreamWorks. Beautiful movie, it's coming out late September.

• 1:23:34Dax Shepard?

  Twenty fifth?

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  Yes, September twenty fifth. So first off, this is the first kind of big studio film that has ever focused on Filipino culture. And so it's basically a bunch of Filipinos and me.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  It's a really cool concept. It's these two girls who have been friends forever since childhood. And we are seeing them on their final night together before one of them's going to the States to go to college. And so it's this kind of sad type thing, one of them's leaving. And during that night, this portal opens in the sand and it kind of sucks them into this kind of mythological island that they've always heard about. And basically, they find out that the only way off the island is to give up their memories. But if they give up their memories, they might forget each other. And it's like the most touching.

• 1:24:22Dax Shepard?

  Eternal sunshine animated style.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Why are these kids' movies so intense?

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  It's so beautiful. You will cry. If you don't cry, you are not human.

• 1:24:32Dax Shepard?

  If you don't cry, turn yourself in immediately after. Please, so you're removed from us, so we're all safe.

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  Oh, that's so sad and sweet.

• 1:24:39Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great, so Forgotten Island, September twenty fifth. But more immediately, Idiots, August twenty eighth.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:44Dax Shepard?

  Everyone, check out Idiots. Dave, this was so, it was fun on Zoom, but I wasn't getting the full magnetism that is you.

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  I love being in here. You were wrong, though, it gets a little toasty in here.

• 1:24:58Speaker 03

  What are we gonna do?

• 1:25:02Dax Shepard?

  All right, I adore you. Say hi to Allison. I hope I bump into her hiking again soon.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  That was so fun.

• 1:25:09Dax Shepard?

  Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong.

• 1:25:18Speaker 03

  Look, we got presents.

• 1:25:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, do you want some socks?

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, remember Porus?

• 1:25:23Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I love Porus Walker, one of my favorite artists.

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  We love Porus.

• 1:25:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and he sent me some items and he said, thanks for being a nice person.

• 1:25:34Speaker 03

  That's nice.

• 1:25:34Dax Shepard?

  Which I don't, that's not a compliment I get very often. A nice person, so I really liked it.

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  What did he give you?

• 1:25:41Dax Shepard?

  So this is called Nobra, like Cobra.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:25:46Dax Shepard?

  Or no bra.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  Oh, is it?

• 1:25:49Dax Shepard?

  You see.

• 1:25:49Speaker 03

  I see, oh, I see.

• 1:25:52Dax Shepard?

  It's ceramic.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  Okay, wow.

• 1:25:54Dax Shepard?

  It's a big king cobra with big breasts.

• 1:25:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, large breasts and nipples are out.

• 1:25:59Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure, the whole gang. So I thought, there's no reason we can't have this in the mix.

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  There is no reason.

• 1:26:07Dax Shepard?

  And also, there is no room.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  No, we'll find space. You wanna run to the coffee table or the middle? Yeah, Porus Walker is a great artist and he makes.

• 1:26:18Dax Shepard?

  Perverted art.

• 1:26:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we have some shirts of his. We have a lot of his items and now there's socks. What's on the socks?

• 1:26:26Dax Shepard?

  Well, these appear to be, let's see, a lot of breasts, different colors.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  Classic.

• 1:26:31Dax Shepard?

  These are classic staples.

• 1:26:35Speaker 03

  I haven't seen those pink ones.

• 1:26:36Dax Shepard?

  Let's see what the pinkies are. Oh, those are just, those are pubes.

• 1:26:40Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:26:41Dax Shepard?

  And this is penis socks.

• 1:26:43Speaker 03

  That's just one big penis, yeah. And then what's the orange?

• 1:26:48Dax Shepard?

  The orange is, oh, wow.

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  Oh, balls.

• 1:26:50Dax Shepard?

  No, no, no.

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  Oh, boobs again? They also look like balls with nipples.

• 1:26:56Dax Shepard?

  Okay, well, humans like circles, remember? Everything's circles.

• 1:27:01Speaker 03

  Okay, well, that was, that's a fun treat.

• 1:27:04Dax Shepard?

  We can offer, if anyone's feet are cold on the show, we can offer to endorse something perverse.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow.

• 1:27:13Dax Shepard?

  Now, I can't rely on you to notice because I know you're not very observant.

• 1:27:17Speaker 03

  Is it your hair?

• 1:27:18Dax Shepard?

  Well, I just washed my hair one second ago, so it's wet.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  Okay, that's what it is.

• 1:27:23Dax Shepard?

  Do you see all my blasts?

• 1:27:26Dax Shepard?

  And then look at my neck.

• 1:27:27Speaker 03

  God, you did your face?

• 1:27:29Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I really went.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  You can't tell on your neck.

• 1:27:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you can't.

• 1:27:34Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:27:37Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 1:27:40Speaker 03

  What have you done? What have you done?

• 1:27:43Dax Shepard?

  I really scheduled some time this time. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna take 40 minutes and go over everything with a fine tooth comb. And I did. And it's just a zap here, a zap there, a zap there. But I will say, I'm not keeping track of while I'm doing it. But later that night, I did look in the mirror before going to bed. And I was like, this is the most dax thing I've ever done to myself.

• 1:28:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:09Dax Shepard?

  This gotta be apex dax right here. I hate seeing myself in third person. That feels gross, but also it's, it's so, what, what else would you say, right?

• 1:28:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. You daxed yourself.

• 1:28:21Dax Shepard?

  So Kristen looked at it and she was like, you gotta minimally admit a dermatologist would never do that to you. And I said, yes, which is my point precisely. A dermatologist doesn't have an extra 45 minutes to go through every square inch of your face and neck to find raised hypoplasias, hyperplasias.

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  Maybe your body's supposed to have hyperplasia. If you have so much of it.

• 1:28:49Dax Shepard?

  Well, no.

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  Then maybe your body wants it.

• 1:28:52Dax Shepard?

  I know where this story, where it ends, cuz my father had the identical skin to me. And he just accumulated all these skin tags and I'm not gonna do that.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 1:29:02Dax Shepard?

  I'm not, I choose.

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  Instead, you're gonna have black dots all over your body?

• 1:29:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, no, this will be off in a day. In fact, we're not, I didn't think we were recording till tomorrow. So I even said last night, yesterday, I was looking in the mirror and I was like, okay, they're still bad. But I got a hunch Wednesday, you wouldn't know. But here we are.

• 1:29:19Speaker 03

  We'll see.

• 1:29:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  We're recording tomorrow. We'll see. I mean, I don't see it on your face, but I don't have good eyes, as you know. So I also can't see from here it on your neck.

• 1:29:30Dax Shepard?

  But you see this up here. I like, I did a triple up there.

• 1:29:33Speaker 03

  But I don't, is it black up there?

• 1:29:35Dax Shepard?

  Scab, it's, you can't see the scab right there? Well, that's how good my work is. It's already faded.

• 1:29:40Speaker 03

  It just shows how bad my eyes, and they really are so bad.

• 1:29:45Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  They've gotten bad.

• 1:29:47Dax Shepard?

  They've gotten worse?

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  I think.

• 1:29:48Dax Shepard?

  I never know, like, your eyes just suck? Do they just stay shitty? Or are they too degenerate the way mine are?

• 1:29:54Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:29:54Dax Shepard?

  But I started with good.

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  There's no way for me to know.

• 1:29:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay. I did bond with some folks at Smiley Thai, the Thai restaurant in Mount Juliet. I saw this couple, probably my age, and they were both fucking fire hosing the menu with bright light, right? They both had their phones out. And I just had to stop and say, this is so comforting cuz I too have to blast my menu with light.

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a real marker.

• 1:30:21Dax Shepard?

  The trickiest part for me is when I'm signing the receipt. Cuz I cannot read, there's no way I can read.

• 1:30:27Speaker 03

  My dad has this, yeah.

• 1:30:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and then I gotta ask the server.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:30:31Dax Shepard?

  Everyone's generally already bounced and I've waited, you know, I'm sticking around to pay.

• 1:30:35Speaker 03

  I see.

• 1:30:35Dax Shepard?

  And then I have to ask the server, but what's tricky about that? Oh, this is so tricky. I've already tipped.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:30:43Dax Shepard?

  And I'm going to add it up. And that's when I realize, oh, I can't read this. And everyone's gone.

• 1:30:49Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:30:50Dax Shepard?

  And so I have, often have to ask the server, but then I think it, it's like I've put them in a position where I'm forcing them to see how much.

• 1:30:57Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:30:58Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 1:31:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so I'm learning. So now I'm smart enough to ask them what the total is before. Oh, none of it's comfortable. They also don't wanna have to tell you the total. You know, cuz then is, what am I like complaining about? How much is this? Anyways, I sure do look forward to science fixing this.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Dax Shepard?

  I'm, I'm, I'm optimistic. I like, in my mind, this is not, I'm not gonna be dealing with this forever.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  But you have glasses.

• 1:31:27Dax Shepard?

  I do have glasses and I don't.

• 1:31:30Speaker 03

  I understand. I, I'm not throwing stones. I have glasses as well.

• 1:31:34Dax Shepard?

  How was your Labor Day?

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  My Labor Day was lovely. Um, I threw a party at my house.

• 1:31:43Dax Shepard?

  How did that go? Who came? What were the festivities?

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  A lot of people came. It was an in and out, like people stopped by, some people stayed, people bought, okay, I, I, I'm gonna sound so, people are not gonna like this, but whatever. I catered from Arowan.

• 1:32:02Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:32:03Speaker 03

  So I told people to come over after 1:30.

• 1:32:05Dax Shepard?

  All right.

• 1:32:05Speaker 03

  Anytime, you know? But then anytime is tricky cuz I'm like, when people there are, if they're not there right at 1:30, it's like, oh, no one's coming.

• 1:32:14Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you start getting panicked. Yes, of course.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  You get panicked.

• 1:32:16Dax Shepard?

  This is why hosting's so stressful.

• 1:32:19Speaker 03

  So I catered Arowan.

• 1:32:21Dax Shepard?

  And are you afraid, like, you're just imagining that person that arrives at 2:30 and they enter and it's just you in there?

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. Well, I knew that wasn't gonna be the case. Because Jess.

• 1:32:31Dax Shepard?

  Oh, are you, did you cancel? No.

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  There, people are coming later.

• 1:32:36Dax Shepard?

  Maybe, I don't even know anymore.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:32:38Dax Shepard?

  I don't know why I did this. You don't have to stay.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  You should just go. Go ahead and go. Take some food on your way out.

• 1:32:45Dax Shepard?

  Take all this food, I don't know why I bought it.

• 1:32:47Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, so, so, but I knew I'd at least have one person there cuz Jess.

• 1:32:52Dax Shepard?

  Uh, sure.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  I had, asked him to come early to help set up. I bought a bunch of yard games. Okay, so I don't have a pool.

• 1:32:58Dax Shepard?

  Right, right.

• 1:32:59Speaker 03

  Um, which is fine, but it's tricky when you have a party because you do wish, like for the, it's mainly for the kids. Cuz adults are doing whatever.

• 1:33:11Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  Playing games, chatting.

• 1:33:13Dax Shepard?

  Smoking their doobies in the corner.

• 1:33:14Speaker 03

  Doing whatever they want. Um, but kids, that's a little tricky. A pool is nice.

• 1:33:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, a distraction.

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, and if you remember, last time I did this was 4th of July. And so I bought this enormous, and I rented, sorry, an enormous inflatable slide pool thing.

• 1:33:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:33Speaker 03

  To keep these children occupied, which it did do.

• 1:33:36Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:33:37Speaker 03

  Um, so I was like, maybe I'll do that again. But I was like, am I the girl that just always has that slide thing? So I, so then I ended up just going yard games.

• 1:33:46Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:33:46Speaker 03

  Okay, I bought two cornhole.

• 1:33:49Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 1:33:49Speaker 03

  So two cornhole can be going.

• 1:33:51Dax Shepard?

  Yes, great.

• 1:33:52Speaker 03

  Horse shoes.

• 1:33:53Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  Um, ladder ball.

• 1:33:56Dax Shepard?

  Not.

• 1:33:56Speaker 03

  You don't know ladder ball?

• 1:33:57Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you throw the string with the two, yes, okay.

• 1:34:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's very fun. That's it. And then people, and a kickball. I bought a kickball.

• 1:34:05Dax Shepard?

  What were your blends for the kickball? People just be bouncing in?

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, they'll kick it. My yard is huge.

• 1:34:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:11Speaker 03

  Like, people could have played a full, I actually think, I think.

• 1:34:14Dax Shepard?

  Also, it's huge for LA. Let's just, let's.

• 1:34:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:17Dax Shepard?

  Bracket that. Yeah, it's like a, probably 9,000 square feet of yard back there.

• 1:34:22Speaker 03

  But since there's nothing in the backyard right now, it's all grass.

• 1:34:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's lovely and it's great for LA. I just wanted to put in parentheses to America, like, it's not the, what you're thinking of when you think of huge yard. It's a huge LA yard.

• 1:34:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, but all to say, you could get a kickball game going in there. And you would have to run.

• 1:34:42Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:34:43Speaker 03

  If you, if you use the whole yard, you know?

• 1:34:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  But I hate kickballs, so I would never play. But anyway, um, uh, oh my God, I used to go camping with Callie's family and they would always, kickball was always on the menu.

• 1:34:56Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:34:57Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:34:57Dax Shepard?

  On the docket?

• 1:34:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I just hated that part.

• 1:35:00Dax Shepard?

  You hated it.

• 1:35:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:02Dax Shepard?

  I really like kickball. I feel like it's a good game cuz resist saying this, everyone can play it.

• 1:35:07Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:35:08Dax Shepard?

  No?

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  I think it's hard for short people to play kickball.

• 1:35:11Dax Shepard?

  Tell me more.

• 1:35:12Speaker 03

  Because, you know, they throw it in it, sometimes it, it's up high, like.

• 1:35:18Dax Shepard?

  Are you confusing it with dodgeball?

• 1:35:20Speaker 03

  No, I hate dodgeball too. No, but you know, like, do they throw it?

• 1:35:25Dax Shepard?

  They have to roll it.

• 1:35:26Speaker 03

  They, oh, but sometimes they don't roll it. Sometimes it bounces.

• 1:35:30Dax Shepard?

  Well, if it's bouncing across the plate, then that's a, a ball. That doesn't count as a strike.

• 1:35:36Speaker 03

  Well, I don't, I just always try to kick it.

• 1:35:39Dax Shepard?

  As you should, yeah.

• 1:35:40Speaker 03

  And then I miss it with my foot and it's too embarrassing.

• 1:35:43Dax Shepard?

  It's very embarrassing, yeah.

• 1:35:44Speaker 03

  Okay, well, I bought that for other people, you know?

• 1:35:47Dax Shepard?

  Did you buy bases and stuff? Well, I'm a little, I don't know that you have enough room for a kickball game. I don't think our yard has enough room for a kickball.

• 1:35:56Speaker 03

  Of course it does.

• 1:35:57Dax Shepard?

  I don't think so.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:35:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay, anyways, let's not get hung up on kickball, but.

• 1:36:02Speaker 03

  So anyway, I had all those things. So I had asked Jess to come early to set that stuff up for me.

• 1:36:09Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:36:09Speaker 03

  Um, he struggled, but it was okay.

• 1:36:12Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

  So at least he was gonna be there at 1:30.

• 1:36:15Dax Shepard?

  Yep.

• 1:36:15Speaker 03

  Anyway, people came, it was great, tons of fun. I ordered Arowan catering, but then, big hack, I, and I learned this from a girl's party I threw recently. There's an amazing pizza place in LA on the east side called Quarter Sheets. I wasn't gonna say that because you know how I feel about giving, I don't wanna gatekeep, but I also wanna be able to go to my spots.

• 1:36:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:37Speaker 03

  And there's already lines and it's already a thing, but it's a great place. And you can take out pizzas.

• 1:36:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay, oh, and cook them at home? Like they're half cooked or?

• 1:36:48Speaker 03

  No, they're cooked.

• 1:36:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh, they're cooked.

• 1:36:49Speaker 03

  Like, yeah, pick them up.

• 1:36:50Dax Shepard?

  Well, every pizza place, that's not novel. Yeah.

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  You wouldn't order.

• 1:36:55Dax Shepard?

  The businesses pizza joints are in is.

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  It's not, it's a restaurant.

• 1:36:59Dax Shepard?

  It's a sit down restaurant.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:00Dax Shepard?

  But they also do to go.

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like John and Vinnie's, you wouldn't be able to get like a huge pizza, I don't think.

• 1:37:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can order John and Vinnie's to go.

• 1:37:10Speaker 03

  From the restaurant, you can order to go if you're there, right?

• 1:37:13Dax Shepard?

  No, no, you can call. It's on Postmates. It's on Postmates.

• 1:37:16Speaker 03

  And order a huge one?

• 1:37:18Dax Shepard?

  I don't. Well, like a special one that they don't normally make?

• 1:37:21Speaker 03

  It's like a big pizza in a big box. It's not the one that you get.

• 1:37:25Dax Shepard?

  So they offer a pizza to go at Wood Sheets that they don't offer on the menu when you're seated. Is that what you're saying? Quarter Sheets.

• 1:37:33Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, you can get like a big pizza. As opposed to when you go to the restaurant, you get a Quarter Sheets pizza.

• 1:37:40Dax Shepard?

  Like a party sub.

• 1:37:41Speaker 03

  Right, exactly.

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:37:48Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:37:49Speaker 03

  I ordered.

• 1:37:49Dax Shepard?

  So it's a pizza place that you can order pizza from?

• 1:37:53Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:37:54Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so you, you got.

• 1:37:56Speaker 03

  So I ordered Quarter Sheets to come at 5:15.

• 1:38:02Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:38:03Speaker 03

  And they have these amazing desserts there. And I asked if I could get a cake also.

• 1:38:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:38:09Speaker 03

  That's, you're not allowed to get a cake to go really normal.

• 1:38:12Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you're not?

• 1:38:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:38:13Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:38:13Speaker 03

  They did it for me. And so they brought the cake and we. Saying to Jess, it was the last part of his birthday.

• 1:38:21Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  Um, and it was so fun. Also, we learned a new game. It's really fun. It's called Imposter. It's an app game. Okay, this is how you play. Everyone's sitting together in a circle and like I, we put everyone's name in the phone. Then I go first, right? I look at the phone. It says a word. And a category normally. It says a word and then I pass it to the right.

• 1:38:50Dax Shepard?

  Let's use the word, let's use a word.

• 1:38:51Speaker 03

  Okay, it says blinds.

• 1:38:53Dax Shepard?

  It says blinds.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. And the category objects.

• 1:38:56Dax Shepard?

  Objects, okay.

• 1:38:58Speaker 03

  Then it says pass to Erica, pass to Erica. She sees the same thing. She passes. Everyone sees the word and the object except one person. One person sees impostor.

• 1:39:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:39:12Speaker 03

  It's kind of like mafia or werewolf, exactly. So then everyone goes, everyone's seen it. Everyone goes around and says one word to describe the word. To describe blinds.

• 1:39:27Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:39:27Speaker 03

  Now, so the impostor has to.

• 1:39:32Dax Shepard?

  Surmise what that word is and then.

• 1:39:34Speaker 03

  And try to say something, yes.

• 1:39:37Dax Shepard?

  Synonym or.

• 1:39:38Speaker 03

  The, the problem is when you are, when you do know the word and you're giving your clue. There's multiple things going on. You want people to know that you're not the impostor.

• 1:39:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Speaker 03

  But also if the impostor learns the word, they win. So you want to give a weird enough clue that people, yeah, it's really fun.

• 1:40:03Dax Shepard?

  Venetian, would you say Venetian?

• 1:40:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, you could, but.

• 1:40:08Dax Shepard?

  Too much?

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  Might be too much. Now I was the impostor on that round.

• 1:40:12Dax Shepard?

  Oh, on the blinds round?

• 1:40:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay. And part of it is it's randomized, so I was second.

• 1:40:18Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 1:40:19Speaker 03

  That's.

• 1:40:20Dax Shepard?

  That's harder.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  Really hard. Okay, so Erica went first.

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  And she said sunshine. Okay, so then I have to go and all I know is objects.

• 1:40:32Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  So I was like, fuck, okay. I'm gonna go with like yellow.

• 1:40:38Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So adjective?

• 1:40:42Speaker 03

  See, now you know it's blind, so it seems obvious that what I'm about to say is stupid.

• 1:40:45Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:45Speaker 03

  But if you didn't know that, you wouldn't have thought this. So I said banana.

• 1:40:50Dax Shepard?

  Banana, okay.

• 1:40:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:52Dax Shepard?

  Uh oh. But do you think some people are like, in their mind, they're like, I guess they're kind of shaped like banana?

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  So, okay, this is what happens, right? So then everyone says their thing. I still, I don't know what it is.

• 1:41:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 03

  And then, and then the deliberation begins, right? And people are like, I was like, but I don't know banana. Or like somebody else's they thought could be also.

• 1:41:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, invariably someone's gonna say something that makes no sense, even if they know the word.

• 1:41:18Speaker 03

  Exactly. And so at one point, Anthony, one of my best, longest friends goes. I, I think I know what Monica's doing. And, and he was like, I don't really, I think she might be. I, I think I know what she's doing. Cause you can't, again, you can't be like, she's doing this, because then the impostor would know the word. So you have to be kind of careful when you're deliberating.

• 1:41:42Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  And then I felt so guilty.

• 1:41:45Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:41:46Speaker 03

  Cause he was really having my back.

• 1:41:49Dax Shepard?

  And you get really self-conscious of what your body language is doing and stuff?

• 1:41:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, but, and then, and then at one point Jess was like, yeah, me too. And I was like, oh my god.

• 1:42:00Dax Shepard?

  He do agrees with everything that Anthony said?

• 1:42:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:04Dax Shepard?

  Okay, cause he's as close.

• 1:42:05Speaker 03

  He just wanted to also get it, you know? But then later he goes, I don't know, she's such a good actor, I don't think. And I was like, you just said you understood.

• 1:42:15Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:42:16Speaker 03

  And he was like, yeah, I didn't.

• 1:42:17Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:42:18Speaker 03

  Okay, so then I did get got.

• 1:42:21Dax Shepard?

  You did?

• 1:42:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:42:22Speaker 03

  Um, which was annoying, but I.

• 1:42:24Dax Shepard?

  But they go, okay, everyone agrees, we're gonna say it's Monica. And then if what, if you can say what the word is, you're clear.

• 1:42:29Speaker 03

  I win.

• 1:42:30Dax Shepard?

  But if you can't say what the word is.

• 1:42:32Speaker 03

  I lost.

• 1:42:32Dax Shepard?

  So let's say you had figured out it was blind, you say blind, then what happens?

• 1:42:36Speaker 03

  I win.

• 1:42:37Dax Shepard?

  And then there's a scoreboard or?

• 1:42:39Speaker 03

  Well, if you want, sure, it's just like.

• 1:42:41Dax Shepard?

  Then it's reset, okay, okay. Well, you know, werewolves and villagers that get smaller and smaller. You don't kick people out.

• 1:42:48Speaker 03

  Play however many rounds. I mean, you could kick people out if you wanted, but that's not fun.

• 1:42:52Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  I mean, you could have score, you could, you could have like a scoreboard. But you can't really, the problem is, it's not really fair. Because it's all randomized. So like Erica got the impostor multiple times.

• 1:43:04Dax Shepard?

  Hmm.

• 1:43:05Speaker 03

  And like just never got it.

• 1:43:06Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:43:07Speaker 03

  So it wouldn't really be fair.

• 1:43:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:09Speaker 03

  But anyway, um, it was a really fun game. I recommend that.

• 1:43:14Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:43:15Speaker 03

  Uh, anyway, we just had a great time. I love hosting at my house.

• 1:43:18Dax Shepard?

  I bet.

• 1:43:19Speaker 03

  It's really.

• 1:43:20Dax Shepard?

  You loved hosting at your apartment.

• 1:43:21Speaker 03

  I love hosting.

• 1:43:22Dax Shepard?

  You're a host.

• 1:43:23Speaker 03

  I just love to do it.

• 1:43:25Dax Shepard?

  Host.

• 1:43:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it is kind of, you know, it's, it's rude because like, you know, some people you like get away with things and other people you don't.

• 1:43:34Dax Shepard?

  Okay, good, yeah, that's an example.

• 1:43:36Speaker 03

  You know, it's like if someone's not tucking in the chair, I'm like, if it's one person, but if it's another person, I don't care.

• 1:43:43Dax Shepard?

  Right, yes. It's very unfair that we hold everyone to different standards.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:48Dax Shepard?

  But it's also realistic.

• 1:43:50Speaker 03

  It is, it's also, it's based on the person and all the things we've taught, told ourselves about the person. It's like, this person.

• 1:43:57Dax Shepard?

  Your story about them.

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:43:59Dax Shepard?

  Inconsiderate.

• 1:44:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:01Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, they're so unconscientious.

• 1:44:03Speaker 03

  They are not paying attention to anything.

• 1:44:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:09Speaker 04

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• 1:44:15Dax Shepard?

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• 1:45:17Dax Shepard?

  It's so hard.

• 1:45:18Speaker 03

  Or a sibling, I bet.

• 1:45:19Dax Shepard?

  Continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's like they have forgotten whatever they've forgotten nine times in a row. And so, yeah, well, like, um, here's a great example. Well, this isn't even an example. I don't know, this is just funny. Our trip started, so we went to Nashville. And our trip started with me saying like, okay, everybody, the night before, we gotta be in the car at eight forty-five.

• 1:45:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:45:41Dax Shepard?

  Great. I know that's not gonna happen. I've already slid it back.

• 1:45:45Speaker 03

  Good, I was gonna say you adjusted, yeah.

• 1:45:47Dax Shepard?

  So, you know, loading up morning of the flight and sure enough, eight forty-five, no way, I'm in the van. Then maybe Delta gets in the van at eight fifty-five.

• 1:45:58Speaker 03

  Ten minutes late.

• 1:45:59Dax Shepard?

  Then Kristen gets in, uh, and then Delta gets out.

• 1:46:03Speaker 03

  Oh, this god.

• 1:46:04Dax Shepard?

  And then Lincoln gets in, and then Kristen gets out to find Delta, and then Delta gets in. And so this had cycled through like two or three times. And my commitment is just to accept that whatever it's gonna be. It's gonna, I can't, I have no sway over how this is going. So that had cycled through and I was just like, oh my god, if I can ever get all three of them in. I'm just gonna fucking floor it out of the driveway. And all of a sudden, at like nine oh two, I'm in the van completely by myself again. And I'm like, how is this, how did this happen? Why am I now by myself? Like. I had two at one point, never had all three, but I have had all three of them in the van at different times.

• 1:46:45Dax Shepard?

  And so by the time they all come out at whatever, nine oh five, I'm just, I just have my head and my hands sitting in the front.

• 1:46:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, yes.

• 1:46:55Dax Shepard?

  And so.

• 1:46:56Speaker 03

  This is hard.

• 1:46:57Dax Shepard?

  It's hard. And then, you know, a goal would be the next time we have to go to the airport. That I don't go into it going, well, here's what's gonna happen. They're gonna all be in, you know, like.

• 1:47:10Speaker 03

  Do you don't do that?

• 1:47:11Dax Shepard?

  I mean, I think you should fight it because people are inconsistent in great ways and in bad ways. And if my stories about them is that they are always late, all of them, then I'll just be looking for that. And I'll drive myself crazy. Like I do have to attempt to go into each situation with a clean slate.

• 1:47:32Speaker 03

  But this is hard.

• 1:47:33Dax Shepard?

  Completely unrealistic. And you couldn't like run a business this way, but I think for interpersonal relationships and family relationships, you, you, you have to.

• 1:47:42Speaker 03

  I know, but this is literally the op, this goes in. Complete contradiction with having expecta- the right, like having expectations. So for, I would say, actually, you do have to tell yourself, look, this is what's gonna happen. They're gonna get in and out of the car a million times. It's gonna be past nine and we're still, cuz then.

• 1:48:00Dax Shepard?

  And I had done that, right? Which is why I never, what was really great is we got to the airport and Ryan had had the exact same situation. He has three daughters. And um, and then he admitted, he had yelled, right? He had, he had given a, yeah, it was very natural. I'm not saying that to out him or throw him under the bus.

• 1:48:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:48:21Dax Shepard?

  But I was like, oh yeah, I didn't because I did. I knew it was coming.

• 1:48:25Speaker 03

  Had the expectation.

• 1:48:26Dax Shepard?

  Somehow I have to straddle the line between having appropriate expectations, so I'm not frustrated.

• 1:48:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:31Dax Shepard?

  And also, leaving lots of room for everyone to surprise me and not be this thing I've said they all are.

• 1:48:38Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:48:38Dax Shepard?

  Cuz that also is, I think, damaging or disruptive.

• 1:48:41Speaker 03

  But I mean, how do you do both? I don't know how you do both. And then if you, if you do the expectation one, then if they surprise you, then it's like, you're so happy.

• 1:48:52Dax Shepard?

  That's true. That's definitely true. And look, we made it. We flew out on time. Everything worked out just fine. So I'm sure their story could be like, oh dad's neurotic. We've never missed a flight. I don't know why he's all bent out of shape about it.

• 1:49:08Speaker 03

  I, you know, often disagree with you.

• 1:49:11Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:49:12Speaker 03

  About most things. A lot of things, a lot of things.

• 1:49:14Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:49:15Speaker 03

  I really, really vehemently agree about being out the door on time. Uh huh. When you're supposed to be.

• 1:49:27Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:49:27Speaker 03

  And.

• 1:49:28Dax Shepard?

  Well, it definitely, if it's something you can miss and it fucks up the entire trip, I think it's, there are, right? Like not, not all situations are the same.

• 1:49:37Speaker 03

  They're not.

• 1:49:37Dax Shepard?

  They're relatively different pressure and, and impact.

• 1:49:41Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:49:42Dax Shepard?

  And outcome. If you miss your flight, you may have missed a whole day of vacation.

• 1:49:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:47Dax Shepard?

  And you only have four days.

• 1:49:48Speaker 03

  I know. I mean, I feel this on smaller levels too. I just, I just think if everyone's agreed.

• 1:49:55Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:49:56Speaker 03

  Look, things happen. I'm not saying things don't happen, but those need to be rarities, not can, that can't be the consistent way.

• 1:50:04Dax Shepard?

  Do you remember being a teenage daughter though? Were, were you always on time?

• 1:50:09Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:50:10Dax Shepard?

  You were.

• 1:50:11Speaker 03

  My whole, like, there was no tolerance.

• 1:50:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:15Speaker 03

  And also because, you know, I had friends picking me up for things. Like, you can't make them wait. Like, that was not an option.

• 1:50:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:23Speaker 03

  And I can't make my parents wait. They have to go to work. Like, I just, it wasn't an option. And so I feel very strongly about when everyone agrees to get out the door on time.

• 1:50:36Dax Shepard?

  What would be great for me is if I could simply repeat my mother's approach, but I can't.

• 1:50:41Speaker 03

  Which is just leave.

• 1:50:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you miss the boat in our family. And that, and once you're taught that you, oh yeah, you really can miss the, the whole family will go to Babel Island without you. If you, I think you don't, you only do that once or twice. So I would love to be able to do that. Um, it's not on the table for, for my family situation.

• 1:51:02Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 1:51:02Dax Shepard?

  No, it's not.

• 1:51:03Speaker 03

  And it shouldn't be.

• 1:51:04Dax Shepard?

  And it probably isn't the best.

• 1:51:06Speaker 03

  It's not the best.

• 1:51:07Dax Shepard?

  But it's what I wanna do.

• 1:51:08Speaker 03

  I know. So I feel like it's on, I'm just defending you so much, even after the whole kickball situation. But I do feel like then you should be able to say, this is what I wanna do and I can't do it. And, and so can you guys meet me halfway? And like, let's be on time. Like.

• 1:51:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:26Speaker 03

  Now, I have a similar story that sort of happened.

• 1:51:28Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:51:29Speaker 03

  Ish. And I am gonna get in trouble for saying this, but I feel like I'm gonna say it anyway.

• 1:51:33Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 1:51:35Speaker 03

  Like, I'm gonna get in trouble from friends.

• 1:51:37Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:51:38Speaker 03

  Uh, I know, it'll get back to them. Um, I was in the car with two people.

• 1:51:46Speaker 03

  Two of my friends.

• 1:51:47Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:51:47Speaker 03

  And I look in the backseat. Okay, I've driven us, I've driven us to the restaurant, okay? We eat and hang and stuff, and we're going home and we stop at a coffee shop. I wanna get a coffee. So we drive to the coffee shop. It's raining.

• 1:52:01Dax Shepard?

  After dinner?

• 1:52:01Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry. It was kinda lunch. Sorry. Yeah.

• 1:52:03Dax Shepard?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  It's raining. I'll be a little honest. I think I was a little, oh, I think I was a little annoyed and this is on me.

• 1:52:13Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:52:13Speaker 03

  This part's definitely on me. I think I was a little annoyed that I had, I was driving.

• 1:52:17Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:52:18Speaker 03

  Because I had just thrown the party and I think I felt a little bit like, okay, like, and now I'm doing this. But, okay, fine. Um, and it was my idea to go to this place.

• 1:52:30Dax Shepard?

  Yep.

• 1:52:30Speaker 03

  But, okay. So then we go to the coffee shop. I look as I'm driving and the person in the backseat is not wearing a seatbelt.

• 1:52:37Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:52:38Speaker 03

  And I was like, oh, they must have forgot.

• 1:52:41Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:52:41Speaker 03

  To wear a seatbelt.

• 1:52:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:43Speaker 03

  And I was like, hey friend, um, wear your seatbelt or put on your seatbelt or make sure you're wearing your seatbelt or whatever. And then I park, right? Okay, I get out. I get my coffee. I also like sensed, the, the response wasn't like, oh shit.

• 1:52:55Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:52:56Speaker 03

  And I was like, okay, so maybe that wasn't an accident.

• 1:53:00Dax Shepard?

  Right. Or maybe the, yeah, felt more like a threat to her, their autonomy.

• 1:53:05Speaker 03

  It was a choice for them. Yeah.

• 1:53:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:53:07Speaker 03

  And so then I was like, okay, now these friends are talking about this situation while I'm in there getting a coffee.

• 1:53:12Dax Shepard?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:53:14Speaker 03

  And I didn't love that, but I, and I didn't know it happened, but I know it happened. So then.

• 1:53:17Dax Shepard?

  Well, you got confirmation?

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  Smart. Okay, so.

• 1:53:21Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:53:21Speaker 03

  No, well, yeah. Okay, so then I.

• 1:53:24Dax Shepard?

  Jay, am I free to reject thoughts or should I?

• 1:53:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:53:28Dax Shepard?

  I always let the whole thing roll out.

• 1:53:29Speaker 03

  No, you can. No, I didn't get.

• 1:53:31Dax Shepard?

  I'm only flagging that one part.

• 1:53:33Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:53:33Dax Shepard?

  That one part is your thing, where it's like you're convinced everyone, one talks about you and you're not around. Or that's a fear. How about that?

• 1:53:41Speaker 03

  It's a fear.

• 1:53:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:53:43Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:53:44Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:53:44Speaker 03

  Um, so then I get in the car.

• 1:53:48Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:53:49Speaker 03

  And I turn on the car. I look back. This person is not putting on their seatbelt.

• 1:53:56Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:53:56Speaker 03

  And I said, hey, can you put on your seatbelt?

• 1:53:59Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:53:59Speaker 03

  And they go, are you serious?

• 1:54:01Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:54:02Speaker 03

  And I, I was like, yeah.

• 1:54:06Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  You have to wear a seatbelt. And then the other person was like, I don't know if you have to.

• 1:54:11Dax Shepard?

  Hmm.

• 1:54:12Speaker 03

  And I was like, you do have to.

• 1:54:15Dax Shepard?

  Were we talking legally?

• 1:54:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I looked it up.

• 1:54:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Legally, you have to wear a seatbelt in a car. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:20Speaker 03

  I was like, it's illegal.

• 1:54:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  And it's on me. If a cop drives by and sees that someone doesn't wear a seatbelt, pulls us over, it's on me. I just, I did say that, not knowing, and I looked it up and it is true.

• 1:54:32Dax Shepard?

  Even if the passenger is over sixteen? I know that's true if they're under sixteen, don't have a license that they could be given, um, a ticket for.

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  Um, according to my Google.

• 1:54:43Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:54:44Speaker 03

  Let's see.

• 1:54:45Dax Shepard?

  For adult passengers, maybe we.

• 1:54:47Speaker 03

  Let me see.

• 1:54:50Speaker 03

  Yes, you must wear a seatbelt in California. Everyone in the vehicle must wear a seatbelt. The rule applies to both front and back seats. The driver, it says driver responsibility. The driver must make sure all passengers are buckled up. Drivers can get a ticket for any unbuckled passenger.

• 1:55:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:55:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So you had the law on your side.

• 1:55:10Speaker 03

  And like, it's my car.

• 1:55:12Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:55:13Speaker 03

  I say you wear a seatbelt, you wear a seatbelt. Like, I feel so.

• 1:55:16Dax Shepard?

  Clean about it.

• 1:55:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. And like, I also, you know, then, yeah, then other stuff of mine starts where I'm like, if you're in the car with Dax and he says, put on a seatbelt, you're not gonna put on a seatbelt. You're gonna say, are you serious?

• 1:55:29Dax Shepard?

  Well, hold on. If I say put on a seatbelt, that means stunt driving is ahead.

• 1:55:34Speaker 03

  If you say anything in your car while you're driving, no one is going to say shit. And that's the truth.

• 1:55:42Dax Shepard?

  Well, hold, okay.

• 1:55:43Speaker 03

  Besides, maybe your children.

• 1:55:45Dax Shepard?

  Slow down. Slow, um, can we, are we sure about that?

• 1:55:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:50Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:55:50Speaker 03

  Well, unless you say to do something illegal. If you're doing something that's because you're like, I'm driving the car, this is my car. I say, don't eat my car.

• 1:56:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I mean, it's a toughie for me to know for sure because as you just pointed out, I'm generally with my children and my family. And um, yeah, the rules I put down in the bus are completely ignored. Like, you know, I'm like, no, no, we're driving, just cuz we're in the bus doesn't mean you can make macaroni and cheese while we're going down, you know, whatever.

• 1:56:15Speaker 03

  Okay. Your family, your kids are a different situation.

• 1:56:18Dax Shepard?

  Think, I definitely think there are groups in my friends that would and wouldn't, and there's, and, and vice versa.

• 1:56:24Speaker 03

  Okay, well, this person would.

• 1:56:26Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:56:27Speaker 03

  I, I, I know for certain.

• 1:56:30Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:56:31Speaker 03

  Both people in this car would.

• 1:56:33Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:56:34Speaker 03

  Okay? Now, that's fine. I'm like.

• 1:56:37Dax Shepard?

  Can I point out one thing that that's tricky?

• 1:56:39Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:56:40Dax Shepard?

  So I wouldn't.

• 1:56:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's fine.

• 1:56:41Dax Shepard?

  Unless, unless we were getting on like a race, I wouldn't tell someone to put their seatbelt on.

• 1:56:46Speaker 03

  That's fine.

• 1:56:46Dax Shepard?

  Other than my children, cuz they're my children. Um, I'll make them put on seatbelts, but um, unless we're like in the sand dunes off roading or on a racetrack, I'd be like, no, well, you have to have a helmet and a seatbelt on to be in, in this. But I, so that's, I think that's in the mix. I also wouldn't do, if I looked back in the backseat and Aaron Weekly didn't have a seatbelt on, I wouldn't say a thing. I'd be like, he decided, he's an adult, he's made a decision that he wants to or doesn't.

• 1:57:15Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:57:16Dax Shepard?

  So is that part of it or no?

• 1:57:17Speaker 03

  No. That's your rule in your car. You, if, well, I mean, again, apart from the law, which says it must happen. If you decide you're driving, if you decide, like, if I'm not driving.

• 1:57:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:32Speaker 03

  I might've been like, hey, why aren't you wearing a seatbelt?

• 1:57:34Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:57:35Speaker 03

  And then they would have been like, I don't wanna wear a seatbelt. And if the driver didn't care.

• 1:57:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:41Speaker 03

  That's fine.

• 1:57:42Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:57:42Speaker 03

  But if it is your car and you are driving, you get to.

• 1:57:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I agree, I agree that you get to.

• 1:57:47Speaker 03

  Fully get to say what happens.

• 1:57:49Dax Shepard?

  I, I agree you get to.

• 1:57:50Speaker 03

  So if you not caring is, is you, like, you don't, I know that, that's fine.

• 1:57:55Dax Shepard?

  Because really quick, I'm very sensitive to authority, right? So I'm like predicting how I would feel if someone told me to put my seatbelt on. That's in my calculation cuz I know what that feels like to have that real bristle against being told what to do as an adult.

• 1:58:12Speaker 03

  It's being told because of the law. It's not like.

• 1:58:16Dax Shepard?

  But I, but I can't really use that car cuz I'm also gonna drive five miles an hour over the speed limit. And I'm like, so I've already, like, you already know that I, it's not like I have a total respect for the law. So it'd be very inconsistent if I'm like, well, I don't care about speeding law, but I do care about the seatbelt law.

• 1:58:31Speaker 03

  Well, you do get to decide that. You get to decide that.

• 1:58:35Dax Shepard?

  You do for sure, but the people I'm talking to, it's well within their right to acknowledge, well, this is highly inconsistent. He cares about this, but doesn't care about that. I'm just painting the picture of like, the reaction you get is part of a much bigger story about yourself, which is like, A, I generally don't tell people what to do. Simply cuz I don't like being told what to do, right? That's just my own personal thing.

• 1:58:57Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 1:58:58Dax Shepard?

  You don't think that's true?

• 1:58:59Speaker 03

  No. There's house rules. You have house.

• 1:59:01Speaker 01

  Rules in your house.

• 1:59:02Dax Shepard?

  Maybe it's not true.

• 1:59:03Speaker 01

  People take their shoes off.

• 1:59:05Dax Shepard?

  Like, I can only think of that one right now. Like, that specific one, I just know I want it, given that one example. So I do wonder if, like, say, Aaron, who's known me for thirty years, knows I'm not the type of person to tell him to do something. That if I do, he gives me the benefit of the doubt of like, well, he's not like, he's not a controlling authoritarian person. If he's telling me this, this, something must be specifically, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I just like, if it's your house or your car, it's not authoritarian. I mean, okay, well, actually, this is helping, this is gonna help wrap up my point, which is like, I think that's so childish.

• 1:59:46Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:59:47Speaker 01

  To be like, don't tell me what to do. It's like, you're in my car, then you drive.

• 1:59:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Or at your house in Nashville, you guys have a rule now, no shoes.

• 1:59:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:58Speaker 01

  I don't like taking off my shoes.

• 2:00:01Dax Shepard?

  Me neither.

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  And guess what? I'm gonna do it because that's your house and your rules.

• 2:00:06Dax Shepard?

  Absolutely.

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  Like, okay, I might think that's arbitrary because other rules aren't, you know, whatever. It's not my job to say.

• 2:00:14Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 2:00:15Speaker 01

  And I think that's very childish. So I, so that all happened and I was like, okay, they did put their seatbelt on.

• 2:00:22Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:00:23Speaker 01

  Um, and then, then we're getting on the interstate. And the other person is like, uh-oh, I have to pee. And I was like, I'm,

• 2:00:37Speaker 01

  I, I, I, I, I don't wanna be a mom.

• 2:00:41Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh, uh-huh.

• 2:00:43Speaker 01

  There's a reason I don't have children and I have two children in my car. And I had to pull over on the side of the road.

• 2:00:49Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  And let this person pee. And then the other person is like, that's crazy. And I'm like, well, you're also doing something crazy. So that was frustrating for me.

• 2:01:03Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. I understand.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:08Dax Shepard?

  I understand, um, all, everyone's feelings probably in the situation. And I know that you're, you're objectively correct. It's childish to disregard rules.

• 2:01:19Speaker 01

  When you're an adult, you're an adult, just like.

• 2:01:22Dax Shepard?

  It is childish, um, it's not preferred. Also, people come with a lot more baggage than other people. And it might also be relevant.

• 2:01:31Speaker 01

  But when your baggage comes at potential, like, the cost of me,

• 2:01:37Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:38Speaker 01

  I, that's, that's where I say no.

• 2:01:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, that's fair. You don't wanna take on their.

• 2:01:44Speaker 01

  Issues.

• 2:01:45Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:45Speaker 01

  If it's gonna come out of, look, if it's on its, again, if it's on its own, people have their stuff, I have plenty of my own stuff. But if, and again, if I'm not driving, not my car, I'm not in charge here.

• 2:01:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:58Speaker 01

  Fine.

• 2:01:59Dax Shepard?

  Well, I, everything in life's trade-offs, right? So I wanna drive. I want to be in charge of driving.

• 2:02:06Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:02:06Dax Shepard?

  And, um, so I, the cost of that is like, yeah, I have passengers and they likely aren't behaving the way I would wish they were. My choice is to be a passenger.

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:20Dax Shepard?

  And then that stuff won't bother me in theory. But it's not worth me being a passenger.

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  Well, sure, I didn't wanna be a driver.

• 2:02:28Dax Shepard?

  You didn't, yeah, see, that's where it's very different for you and I. Yeah, you should just be a pa, you should just go like, you drive.

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  But they, it was a pick-me-up situation.

• 2:02:37Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  So, okay, sure, I guess. I already don't really wanna be doing that, fine.

• 2:02:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  I can take one for the team. And then that, no.

• 2:02:47Dax Shepard?

  Right, no. If you wanna ride, here are the rules.

• 2:02:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:52Speaker 01

  All right, well, we should do some facts.

• 2:02:53Dax Shepard?

  Let's do some facts.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  This is for Dave Franco.

• 2:02:57Dax Shepard?

  Oh, what a charmer.

• 2:02:59Speaker 01

  Oh, he's so cute.

• 2:03:01Dax Shepard?

  We've since, we had a double date with them or we exposed them to Baja California tacos.

• 2:03:06Speaker 01

  How did that go?

• 2:03:08Dax Shepard?

  I think we're like six for six of people we've introduced.

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  No, I've never had them. You've never introduced me.

• 2:03:14Dax Shepard?

  What is, what are you waiting for?

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:03:16Dax Shepard?

  Well, do you like a hard shell taco? That's the first and foremost.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  I do like a hard shell taco.

• 2:03:20Dax Shepard?

  Okay, do you prefer to a soft shell taco?

• 2:03:22Speaker 01

  It depends on the mood.

• 2:03:25Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  I sometimes do hard shell taco night.

• 2:03:27Dax Shepard?

  Okay, at the house?

• 2:03:29Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:29Dax Shepard?

  Then you make them?

• 2:03:30Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:31Dax Shepard?

  Oh, fun.

• 2:03:31Speaker 01

  Alison Roman has a recipe.

• 2:03:33Dax Shepard?

  Do you have the pre-made shells and then put them in the oven?

• 2:03:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:03:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you buy them pre-made, but then you gotta crisp up the shell.

• 2:03:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go too far, I've gone too far.

• 2:03:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:43Dax Shepard?

  And then they powder, you take a bite and the thing just turns to powder.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Um, okay, is this Pope the first American Pope? Yes.

• 2:03:50Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:03:51Speaker 01

  Um, he said, working with the professional trainer he heard makes you work out sixty percent harder.

• 2:03:58Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:58Speaker 01

  It does say, studies show, you know, that's general. But it says, studies show that sixty percent to, oh, no, this is different. This is different.

• 2:04:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:04:08Speaker 01

  Studies show that sixty percent to seventy percent of people who work with a personal trainer stick to their routines long-term.

• 2:04:14Dax Shepard?

  Okay, yeah, when I talk to people about exercise, what seems to be the hard part is not the exercise, it is committing to going.

• 2:04:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:24Dax Shepard?

  So if you've paid someone, I can see where it could be hugely impactful.

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 2:04:31Dax Shepard?

  Back to the aforementioned chat about not wanting to be told what to do ever.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, you don't have.

• 2:04:36Dax Shepard?

  That does, I had to figure out how to get myself there because I couldn't do it.

• 2:04:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, are, are popes allowed to smile? Yeah.

• 2:04:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:04:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:46Dax Shepard?

  There is some talk, okay. They're forbade.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  Because he smiled at Dave.

• 2:04:51Dax Shepard?

  Ah.

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  And it was a big deal. And I was like, yeah, I don't even know if they're allowed to do that.

• 2:04:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:56Speaker 01

  But they are.

• 2:04:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great. Of course Dave got a smile. How could you not smile back at that cute smile?

• 2:05:01Speaker 01

  Um.

• 2:05:02Speaker 06

  That Pope's from Chicago, too.

• 2:05:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, he is.

• 2:05:05Speaker 06

  And a White Sox fan.

• 2:05:07Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  Big deal.

• 2:05:08Speaker 06

  He was at like the two thousand and five White Sox World Series. They have like a thing at the park for him and they've done Pope hat giveaways.

• 2:05:17Dax Shepard?

  Are you a Sox or Cubs?

• 2:05:20Speaker 06

  I'm a White Sox fan.

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  He's asking, is it like?

• 2:05:22Dax Shepard?

  Are Cubbies fans or this?

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:24Dax Shepard?

  White Sox fans are more hardcore or this?

• 2:05:26Speaker 06

  Yes, the White Sox fans are tougher, Cubby fans are softer.

• 2:05:31Speaker 01

  Is it because they're called Cubbies? Because that does sound childlike.

• 2:05:34Dax Shepard?

  Doesn't help the cause, yeah. But Cub is a term in the gay community.

• 2:05:38Speaker 01

  Bear.

• 2:05:39Dax Shepard?

  A bear and a cub.

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, smaller bear.

• 2:05:43Dax Shepard?

  Boys and men who love bears are Cubs.

• 2:05:46Speaker 01

  Is it still? I wonder what the new lingo is. I'm sure there's new lingo.

• 2:05:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you would hope.

• 2:05:53Speaker 01

  Like, I wonder what a salamander is.

• 2:05:55Dax Shepard?

  Ooh.

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  Probably a slippery guy.

• 2:05:58Dax Shepard?

  I think a salamander is a guy who's always at the, um, steam room and the, the saunas.

• 2:06:04Speaker 01

  Oh, wet environments.

• 2:06:05Dax Shepard?

  And he's just watching and not ever participating. Yeah, that's a salamander.

• 2:06:10Speaker 01

  Oh, gross.

• 2:06:12Dax Shepard?

  A spectator.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Um, okay, well, the, I mean, one thing about Dave is he loves cats.

• 2:06:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, he really does.

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  And it's really cute.

• 2:06:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Um, how, oh, and we talked about Flow, the movie Flow, because he said that movie won an Oscar and it had the cat as the protagonist.

• 2:06:29Dax Shepard?

  Oh, right.

• 2:06:30Speaker 01

  Finally.

• 2:06:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:31Speaker 01

  So Flow grossed over fifty million to fifty-seven million worldwide.

• 2:06:36Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:06:37Speaker 01

  But it only had a production budget of three point seven million.

• 2:06:40Dax Shepard?

  Also very profitable.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it made a lot of money. It did only gross four point eight million in North America. The international support was large.

• 2:06:50Dax Shepard?

  So maybe they like cats more.

• 2:06:51Speaker 01

  Well, no, I think it's like, is it a story about Mexico? Or is that a different one?

• 2:06:58Dax Shepard?

  That's a diff, that's, are you thinking of the Pixar one?

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  Oh, Flow is Latvian, so that makes sense. Oh, it's independent.

• 2:07:06Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:07:07Speaker 01

  Well, obviously, I guess, since it was for three million dollars. Independent animated dystopian adventure film. A Latvian-French and Belgian co-production. Post-apocalyptic world.

• 2:07:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:07:19Speaker 01

  A cat trying to survive along with other animals in a seemingly post-apocalyptic world as the water level dramatically rises.

• 2:07:25Dax Shepard?

  What a union, Latvia, France and Belgium.

• 2:07:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay, well, this make, oh, it released a can, okay. Um, that makes sense because it said mostly, so gross forty-five million with strong performances in markets like Mexico, France and its native Latvia.

• 2:07:41Dax Shepard?

  Ah, yeah, huge in Latvia.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 2:07:44Dax Shepard?

  I have an embarrassed admission to make. I couldn't point out Latvia on a map if it were to save everyone's lives.

• 2:07:51Speaker 01

  And you know what? I'm bad at, they, they do. And I think I can't point out a lot of places. I'm getting really Vietnam nervous about geography.

• 2:08:02Dax Shepard?

  Okay, recently?

• 2:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, so, some other country came up and I like know it, but I'm like, where is it?

• 2:08:08Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh, sure, where, where'd they put it?

• 2:08:13Speaker 01

  Where did I put that country?

• 2:08:16Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so it's just under Estonia and above Lithuania.

• 2:08:20Speaker 01

  It's near Russia.

• 2:08:21Dax Shepard?

  Yes, it is, it's bordering Russia.

• 2:08:23Speaker 01

  Now, Russia is confusing.

• 2:08:27Dax Shepard?

  In what respect?

• 2:08:28Speaker 01

  In that it's European and Asian-ish, like, it like.

• 2:08:34Dax Shepard?

  Well, it stretches.

• 2:08:35Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:08:36Dax Shepard?

  Eleven time zones, and I think under USSR was thirteen time zones. So more than half the time zones it stretched.

• 2:08:42Speaker 01

  So you might live in Asian, you might be Asian.

• 2:08:45Dax Shepard?

  Mongolian virtually, yeah, if you're in Siberia.

• 2:08:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:08:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, their ethnography is complex.

• 2:08:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. There's Sweden and Norway and Finland.

• 2:08:58Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh, all your friendly neighbors to the north, the Norse. I've been to Estonia and that little chunk of Russia right next to Estonia where St. Petersburg is. But I did not go south to Latvia. And now I feel like a fool.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  Well, maybe you crossed through and just didn't know.

• 2:09:15Dax Shepard?

  I definitely sailed next to it.

• 2:09:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:17Dax Shepard?

  Because I had loved Denmark. Yeah, left Copenhagen.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  You saw it, you've been there.

• 2:09:22Dax Shepard?

  Okay. Um, I'm gonna put a pin in the, my map, my world map.

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  When I was in Spanish class, you know, we had to learn, obviously, the, the South American and all those maps.

• 2:09:36Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh.

• 2:09:36Speaker 01

  And there was a song.

• 2:09:39Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  To remember the capitals of these countries. And I think thirty times a week, of, of, two lines of that song run through my brain.

• 2:09:53Dax Shepard?

  Can you do the whole song?

• 2:09:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:09:55Dax Shepard?

  No.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  And then that drives me nuts.

• 2:09:57Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 2:09:57Speaker 01

  So I'm always trying to get the rest and it's only like two lines.

• 2:10:02Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh, that is.

• 2:10:04Speaker 01

  Quito, Ecuador, Lima, Peru.

• 2:10:06Dax Shepard?

  Why don't you look it up, though?

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  The song?

• 2:10:09Dax Shepard?

  And relearn it. That might be nice.

• 2:10:10Speaker 01

  I kinda want Cass to see if Callie remembers it.

• 2:10:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  And have her sing it to me on, um, voice memo.

• 2:10:16Dax Shepard?

  For your birthday?

• 2:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:17Dax Shepard?

  Okay, I'll give her a heads up, that's what you want on your birthday.

• 2:10:21Speaker 01

  Okay, but it's just, like, you know how some things are in your brain in a weird, they're seared, but they just pop up. Like, I'm in the shower and I'm always like, Quito, Ecuador, Lima, Peru, that's it.

• 2:10:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're halfway there, I think.

• 2:10:36Speaker 01

  No, there's a lot more, there's a lot more. Um, anyway, um, that's it.

• 2:10:42Dax Shepard?

  That's everything?

• 2:10:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:44Dax Shepard?

  Okay, wonderful.

• 2:10:45Speaker 01

  Yep, yep, yep.

• 2:10:46Dax Shepard?

  Well, hopefully, well, I wanna hear the song at some point.

• 2:10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Stay tuned for the next fact check, hopefully I'll have it by then.

• 2:10:52Dax Shepard?

  Okay, uh, love you.

• 2:10:54Speaker 01

  Love you.