Air Force Veterans Abducted By Aliens Reunite After 50 Years [EMOTIONAL]

In 1977, two Air Force security policemen guarding nuclear missiles at Ellsworth Air Force Base encountered a massive craft, non-human beings, and lost nine hours of time. The military separated them. One was discharged. The other spent 47 years searching for his partner. We found him. This is the story of Mario Woods and Michael Johnson: the Ellsworth AFB incident, the reunion, and the first-ever dual hypnotic regression revealing what both men saw on the craft that night. GUESTS: Mario Woods - Former USAF Security Policeman, 44th Missile Security Squadron, Ellsworth AFB Michael Johnson - Former USAF Security Policeman, 44th Missile Security Squadron, Ellsworth AFB Yvonne Smith - Hypnotic Regression Therapist (40+ years) Ammar Kandil - Co-Producer, Co-Founder of Yes Theory Support Mario and Michael to help give them the retirement they deserve: https://www.gofundme.com/f/marioandmichael Watch our previous interview with Mario Woods: https://youtu.be/73YBwFvcmF8?si=EqkIsK9CK1zj1NBB —--------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! KetoneIQ: Visit https://ketone.com/ALCHEMY for 30% OFF your subscription order PLUS receive a free gift with your second shipment—or find Ketone-IQ at Target stores nationwide and get your first shot free! Factor: Head to https://factormeals.com/alchemy50off and use code alchemy50off to get 50 percent off and free breakfast for a year! iRestore: Unlock your best hair & skin with @iRestorelaser and HUGE savings on the iRESTORE Elite + Illumina Face Mask Bundle with code JESSE at https://www.irestore.com/JESSE #irestorepod —--------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w —--------------------- Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ https://jobs.gusto.com/boards/american-alchemy-3758eda5-237b-45f1-b043-da80a300714e Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] —--------------------- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 05:16 - The First Phone Call 15:18 - Mario and Michael Reunite 18:41 - Michael's First Memories 20:44 - Mario Tells the Full Story 24:39 - Alarm at November-5 26:31 - The Craft Above the Site 30:23 - The Black Sphere 33:13 - Do Not Fear 35:55 - Waking at the Reservoir 37:19 - The Recovery Team 39:49 - Separate Interrogations 42:14 - Sponsors (Ketone IQ) 43:40 - Sodium Pentothal 45:40 - Michael's Weakened Arm 48:15 - Questioning and Gaslighting 50:57 - Mario's Exam and Skin Sample 52:18 - The Debrief Room and Discharge 55:16 - The Missing Hours 56:38 - Yvonne Smith 57:51 - Michael's Regression Begins 1:00:08 - The Beings at the Windshield 1:02:51 - Taken From the Truck 1:05:11 - Mario's Regression 1:07:21 - The Examination 1:13:30 - Michael Watches the Playback 1:17:04 - Two Men, The Same Words 1:18:00 - Aftermath on Base 1:24:17 - The Glove on the Shiny Floor 1:27:57 - Mario's Room of Antiques 1:30:39 - Walking Among Us 1:31:30 - Robert Bigelow and Harry Reid 1:33:27 - Robert Hastings 1:35:45 - UFOs and Nukes 1:36:32 - Malmstrom, Big Sur, Vandenberg 1:38:30 - International Cases 1:39:59 - Roswell and Ellsworth, 1953 1:43:41 - Two More Ellsworth Cases 1:46:08 - The Eisenhower Rumor 1:48:45 - Rick Doty 1:51:39 - The L9 Incident Document 1:54:50 - Doty's Connection to L9 1:59:12 - The Changing Public Frame 2:00:58 - Keeping the Secret 2:03:32 - Sponsors (Factor) 2:04:58 - Sponsors (iRestore) 2:05:59 - Propulsion Systems Are Grown 2:08:51 - Cattle Mutilations 2:09:48 - Nuclear Sites on Sacred Land 2:12:55 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind 2:15:53 - 1977 Synchronicities 2:17:52 - The Forty-Nine Year Milestone 2:19:56 - Michael's Childhood in St. Louis 2:25:37 - Mario's First Sighting, 1961 2:30:11 - Michael's Missing Time in Nevada 2:34:36 - The Last Day in Austin 2:36:57 - GoFundMe for Mario and Michael 2:37:59 - What Actually Happened? 2:38:52 - Daniel and the Angels 2:46:38 - Closing Thoughts and Outro TIMESTAMPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  You remember me? We were on November 5th, November the 18th, 1977. Do you remember what we encountered at 1 o'clock in the morning on November 5? On November 5? Was that a UFO?

• 0:49Speaker 02

  Imagine you're 23 years old, tasked with guarding a nuclear missile site in the heart of the Cold War. It's midnight, and while on duty, you and your partner witness a giant glowing sphere hovering over a live thermonuclear weapon.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  Four strange-looking beings glide towards the window of your truck.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  Do not fear. Michael, Michael!

• 1:17Speaker 02

  You're taken aboard a craft, examined with sharp instruments while receiving telepathic messages. And all the while, you hear the shouts of your partner somewhere close by.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  When you finally come to, five hours have passed. Your partner is frozen to the steering wheel, completely unresponsive. November 5! And you're parked beside a reservoir dam more than eight miles away from the missile site. Bewildered, you're taken back to the base and separately interrogated. Then the Air Force transfers your partner, and you don't see him again for 50 years.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Now you can stop imagining, because this is the true story of Air Force security policeman Mario Woods.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  My name is Mario Woods. I served in the Air Force from 1975 to 1983.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Mario has told this story countless times. Mario's been on the History Channel, Discovery Plus, News Nation. This show, over 40 appearances. And each time, he asked the audience to find one person: Michael Johnson.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Money has been spent trying to locate Michael Johnson. We've looked in hospitals, we've looked in...

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Can't find him anywhere.

• 2:38Speaker 04

  No, sir.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  The one person who could validate his experience and corroborate his story dawned seemingly forever. Here's the thing about hunting for a man named Michael Johnson. It's one of the most common names in America. Good luck finding Michael Johnson in a sea of Michael Johnsons. Many start to wonder whether this long-lost partner of Mario's was a figment of his imagination. Mario hired private investigators. He consulted the FBI. Online amateur sleuthers went nuts. He says Arrow, the Pentagon's official UFO office, has promised him that they would look, but they all came up dry. If anything, my guess is that a lot of these people and organizations

• 3:23Speaker 02

  probably saw Mario as a liability and Mario and Michael as people to keep compartmentalized. Someone to corroborate a story they'd rather remain stigmatized, kept in limbo. Because all it took for our fledgling operation at American Alchemy to beat a multi-agency manhunt was some online searching and basic outreach. That's right. A fan of the show, shout-out Jason Miller, hit us up with a Facebook page. A page just sitting there. And low and behold, it was for a 70-something-year-old Michael Johnson living in South Carolina, fitting Mario's description perfectly. Michael had even posted these words:

• 4:05Speaker 02

  "My boy's in South Dakota, on Ellsworth, '75 to '77." So he tasked a very talented recruiter to find him, and he did, in about a week.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  I couldn't even sleep, man. I've only slept maybe an hour. You are about to witness history. 50 years of these two Air Force veterans being apart, and now they get to relive one of the most extraordinary nights of their lives.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  You know, you're bringing two pieces of a story that have never met for 49 years, and now they're getting to share notes.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  And we're not just going to interview Michael Johnson. He courageously agreed to go through a full hypnotic regression on camera.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  This is a very safe time to remember.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Without further ado, maybe the most inspirational episode to date with two of the best men I know: this week's courageous American alchemists, Mario Woods and Michael Johnson.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Ignition sequence 5.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  How is this possible? Nothing too intentional about that.

• 5:22Speaker 06

  Death, existence cannot longer be denied.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Hello?

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Hey, is this Michael?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  June 26th, 2026, 6/26/26. I call a man I've never met at his job in the middle of his workday, and I explain only part of my motivation for reaching out. Nothing about November 5, nothing about a UFO. Michael doesn't even know my name, let alone the fact that I have a podcast covering any of this stuff.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Who am I talking to now?

• 6:12Speaker 02

  You're talking to Jesse. My friend was stationed with you at Ellsworth in '75, and he really wanted to reconnect. And so I wanted to know if I might be able to patch him in. I think you'll be excited to hear from him.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  What's his name?

• 6:28Speaker 02

  His name's Mario.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Mario, Mario. He was taking the Ellsworth with me?

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he was like, um, I think he worked with you there.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. That name sounds familiar. You know, that's kind of strange, because I've been trying to get hold of some of the guys back there in my time, Mario, Mario. Is this his first name?

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mario's his first name. His name's Mario Woods.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Woods, Woods, Woods.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Would you be down for me to patch him in? I think he'd be so excited to speak to you.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me check him out, man.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Hey, Michael, Mario, you both there?

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm right here. I'm clear. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to... Man? Man, before... You remember me? You remember me? We were in the same squadron. I said, "Missus, like, we're in the same squadron." I'm like, "Man, I'm trying to... That name, that name, it keeps hitting the back of my head." We were on November 5th, November the 18th, 1977. Uh-huh. You were working vacation relief. You did not know anything about the 68th area. I think you were in the 60th, 60th, 67th area. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Were you? Is that where you were? That was me.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  That was me. That was me. That's it, wow. Do you remember what we encountered at 1 o'clock in the morning on November 5? On November 5? Was that a UFO?

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Do you remember? Yeah, I remember that. Do you remember? Do you remember how large it was? It was big, though. I never saw it. It was white. Do you remember what happened? What happened to you, man? Just looked at it like I'm crazy and shit, like I'm... It's just a fucking thing, man.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Damn, that was a long time ago, man. Yeah, forty-eight and a half years they've been looking for you, man. I wanna make sure you've got my phone number. Okay, okay. I have put your name out all over the world. Damn.

• 8:48Speaker 07

  Michael, you're famous.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, you are. You have been searched for by the damn FBI, by private investigators, by Arrow from the Pentagon, and I've got chills standing here with tears in my damn eyes listening to your voice right now.

• 9:05Speaker 07

  Michael, do you remember having seen the UFO? Like, like, when you talk to friends and family, do you say, "Oh, yeah, that time"? Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh-huh, I remember very well. I try to tell people, if they don't believe me, they don't believe me, damn. How far over the top of the blast door was it, Michael?

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Uh, under fifty feet, fifty feet, maybe, maybe a little higher than that, a little higher than that. But it was close as hell, I remember that, it was close, 'cause it was bright.

• 9:35Speaker 07

  Michael, would you be open to reconnecting with Mario? We could fly you guys both out to, to Austin, so you could meet in person and hang out, and maybe we could film kind of the reunion.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, that, that's possible, that's very possible, you know? I just wanna make sure, uh, my, 'cause I know my brain was scrambled, so I'm just trying to make sure, you know, that, uh, I'm the Michael Johnson. I mean, he's saying he can't picture Facebook, 'cause I'm on Facebook, you know? I'm, I'm black now. I know.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  I've been hotness, black Michael Johnson for all my life, it seems like, forty-nine years, but I've been home for you. Well, I've been... I'm serious, man, there's, look at how about ten thousand dollars spent trying to look at you.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that was, you just said, "Sound like you saw me too," you know? Because I had a lot of issues up there in South Dakota, I had a lot of issues up there too.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  I was just down there at twenty-one. Hmm. I went through all the old areas, I went through everything. It changed so much, it changed. Yeah. I mean, I was up there, I was up there, like, still, he just go driving trucks, I was driving trucks and stuff, and I purpose, that's the city, and I couldn't, I couldn't find nothing, saying, I'm, I'm playing, fuck that up, man, 'cause my mind was scrambled, man, for a while, 'cause I just, damn, I just let it go, like, nobody believed me anyway. No, I think it was intentional, when I, when I took my wife to see a close encounter of the third guy, when they did that scene with the nail box, too.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was just, I was washed by the sea, and I just had to get out of that thing, you know? Nobody believes us, man, nobody. Yeah. You're the guy, dude. You survived, you survived it all.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  Man, I didn't think they'd be in trouble, it's so long, dude. Oh, man, I didn't know that. I, you know, everywhere I've been, everywhere I've gone, I'm always looking, every damn place, but I got a computer, you're the first person I'm trying to search, I search for. Oh, man. That's your home, boy. Damn, man. Damn.

• 12:02Speaker 07

  Mario, how are you, man? Oh, goodness, you.

• 12:08Speaker 04

  You run me through hell, you can do that, you know? What's up, bro, how you doing?

• 12:14Speaker 07

  How are you feeling about seeing Michael Johnson? What's going through, what's going through your body right now?

• 12:19Speaker 04

  Man, I couldn't even sleep, man, I haven't, I've only slept maybe an hour.

• 12:23Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  I had restless leg syndrome, I couldn't, had to walk around that damn plane, and just thinking about it, man, just, just seeing him again, you know?

• 12:31Speaker 07

  He was saying, uh, like, "They scrambled my brain." What do you think he meant by that?

• 12:38Speaker 04

  I don't think he's got, I think he's pushed so much back himself, instead of, instead of allowing it to come forward and, and, and feeling it, and then living with it? 'Cause that's what it comes down to, you can push shit back in your brain forever, and, and but something will trigger it, sooner or later, something's gonna trigger whatever that memory is about a person, a woman, an incident, or anything like that.

• 13:07Speaker 07

  Michael, what's happening, man? How you doing?

• 13:11Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 13:13Speaker 07

  What's going on?

• 13:14Speaker 01

  How you doing?

• 13:14Speaker 07

  Good, how you doing?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  I'm doing great now, man.

• 13:17Speaker 07

  Man, you're in crazy shape. Both you and Mario.

• 13:23Speaker 07

  You're about to see Mario, who you've been separated from for fifty years. What are you feeling right now?

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Well, he never, he never, he never turned his back on me, he never left me. That's one thing I can say about the brother, he, he, he's, he's an honor, man, he, he, he never forgotten me.

• 13:44Speaker 07

  What up, bro?

• 13:47Speaker 07

  Oh, give me a hug.

• 13:50Speaker 05

  It's been a while.

• 13:51Speaker 07

  I know, dude. Are you excited to meet Michael?

• 13:54Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, Michael Johnson, man, the guy that was just, he was like there for everything, but we never, like, he was this mythical creature, and, and even, like, in Mario's last interview, which you just probably recorded like a month or two ago, he's still like, I could, I could feel how much he wants to, to see this man before he dies. And just, Jesse just calls me, what, three, four days ago, and goes, "We found Michael. Get to Austin."

• 14:21Speaker 07

  And it's so wild, too, how there's like truth and fiction. If you watch Disclosure Day, it's like you have two people.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:29Speaker 07

  Daniel and Margaret.

• 14:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 07

  And they're like two, like, walking hard drives with like latent information that needs to be reactivated.

• 14:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 07

  And they're brought together, and then like you have the whole puzzle.

• 14:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:40Speaker 07

  The two puzzle pieces are like brought together. And that's kind of what's happening now.

• 14:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 07

  It's so wild.

• 14:53Speaker 05

  It's finally happening, man. Like, the amount of podcasts where you talk about Michael Johnson, and wanting to connect with him, and wanting to find him, it's unbelievable.

• 15:01Speaker 07

  So you were thinking about...

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Going back to South Dakota.

• 15:03Speaker 07

  Going back to South Dakota.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  We touched, since I retired.

• 15:06Speaker 07

  And then we got in touch with you.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 07

  Coincidentally.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Just like that.

• 15:10Speaker 07

  That's crazy, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get your door, hold on.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Okay, this is nice, man.

• 15:15Speaker 08

  How are you feeling?

• 15:16Speaker 07

  You're feeling good?

• 15:17Speaker 01

  I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I will not lie to you, this is too much, it feels good. It feels good, it's a high. I haven't had one of those in a long time.

• 15:29Speaker 07

  Well, let's go. Go see Mario.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Look at, look, my man.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  My from, my man.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  My man, all this time, you never forgot me, you never forgot me, you never forgot me, you never forgot me, you never forgot.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  How you feeling, bro? I'm okay now.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  I, I took a pain, that's it, too, brother, too, brother, too, brother.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  How long have you been there, man? Let me see you. Oh, what a wonderful, you're the only one up there, please, you're the only one up there.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Yep, yeah. Oh, man, but you're a good woman, I got you, it's great, man. You spit, too? It's the same, same smile, same pretty boy, everything about you, man.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  This guy, this guy was real cool with me, he was real cool. We didn't hang out too tight all the time because our jobs and everything, but he would always speaks to me, he would always speak to me all the time, "What's up?", you know, everything, I would see him in my sixty-four, sixty-eight Cutlass Supreme, you know? Going up and down, you know, Al's work. In my TRC car? Yeah, yeah, yeah, everything, man.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  I heard you've been looking for me, man.

• 17:18Speaker 04

  Looking for you?

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  Man, I've had the FBI searching for your happy ass, all of them, every one of them.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  You know there's so many Michael Johnsons out there.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I didn't know your middle initial either.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, you put that C in there.

• 17:32Speaker 07

  Describe how you guys are feeling right now.

• 17:40Speaker 08

  I wanna cry. I mean, I could get emotional, you know what I'm saying? And everything. Seeing my brother here, my homeboy, you know, here. And he never forgotten me. It's the best thing, you know? He kept looking and looking. You know, he didn't give up on me. He thought I was still alive. You know what I'm saying? With that, okay? So when I found out and you talked to me about it, you know, everything. And you remember I said, you sure you got the right Michael Johnson? I'm black. You sure? You know what I'm saying?

• 18:15Speaker 07

  You know, you know, when I knew that he did find the right Michael Johnson is when he said, do you remember what happened to us? 1977 at November 5? And, and then you said, oh, the UFO. Said 1977, Ellsworth Air Force Base, November 5. And he said, oh, that UFO. And he had, he hadn't said anything else, no other details. And you immediately said the UFO. That gave me the chills.

• 18:43Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 18:44Speaker 07

  Michael, what do you remember from, from this, you know, fateful night? That Mario has obviously been describing this for years now on end in podcasts. And so for him, in some ways, it's easier to remember because he's keeping the memory alive by retelling it constantly. For you, it's just this thing that happened to you 50 years ago. And it's probably a thing due to the way you were treated by the Air Force that in some ways you've tried to kind of put behind you and forget. So what details do you remember?

• 19:13Speaker 08

  I do remember the simple fact that there's a big, bright, big, bright light in front of us. I do remember that. It comes close, it go back out and everything. All right. I do remember that because I was, because I was frozen on the steering wheel, frozen on the steering wheel and everything. And believe it or not, I heard him talking, but I couldn't say nothing. I can say it was like, don't say nothing. You know, it's like I was just in a trance right there and everything. He was, he was going off. He was, you know, he was upset and everything. Want me to say, did you see that, Michael? Michael, look, you know, everything, but I couldn't do it. And so next thing I know was my eyes were burning.

• 19:57Speaker 08

  It was like I was staring straight ahead, but I couldn't blink, couldn't blink or nothing. So I just kind of like, I fade out. I did. I passed out on the steering wheel. I soon just passed out. And I couldn't think of anything else to do after that, at that point right there. I was looking around. When I did come to, I looked around, I seen blares going around, around the truck, you know, around the truck and everything. And I just kind of just dizzy, just fizzled out again. I couldn't do much, but I do know he was there. He got out of the truck and everything.

• 20:36Speaker 07

  Describe the kind of object moving around the car very quickly. Do you remember anything about it?

• 20:42Speaker 08

  Like it was a human form, it was like in a human form.

• 20:45Speaker 07

  Human form?

• 20:46Speaker 08

  Like in a human form, pointed head, like point dexter type, you know?

• 20:50Speaker 07

  Interesting. And do you remember anything else? Any other details?

• 20:56Speaker 08

  Don't fear, don't, don't sound like, don't fear, don't, don't, don't worry. Don't, you know, something to that point, don't worry, don't worry, everything. But I couldn't concentrate because you blurred around me, you're going around me and everything.

• 21:14Speaker 07

  Mario Woods, you've been telling the story of what happened to you in November of 1977 at Ellsworth Air Force Base since 1996.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  That's correct.

• 21:24Speaker 07

  And you have one of the most detailed accounts I've ever heard. The only hole missing in it is your partner, who is now sitting alongside you. So for the first time, we'd love to hear your story of what happened to you with Michael Johnson sitting next to you.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  That's awesome. And I'll be happy to tell it. But let's just go back to the day. Our day started going to the SATAF building, which is our security police main office facility, which was a reconditioned hangar. You know, all the shifts are there together. We line up in position, you know, we're, we get our briefing, what's going on in the field. We had American Indian Movement at the time. They were doing some stuff. So they, they kept us abreast of all that, you know? There were threats on Mount Rushmore and they wanted to detonate a site or they wanted to do something. But we met that day at Garment because my team member, Steve Welshel, that's his name, young guy, he went home in North Carolina to get married.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  So when we went back to the field, he would, he was on vacation. And they sent Michael to work his days off on our shift, his commander option day. We, we got to meet, shake hands, talk a little bit. I didn't know him prior to that time. I'd seen him around because he was a car enthusiast. He saw my TR6 Triumph convertible. He liked that. We talked about it.

• 22:45Speaker 08

  I have a cut list.

• 22:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. So we were good to go. And we came out to the site and we talked. I stayed up. I can't remember if you went and laid down for a while. We worked from 6:00 PM to 6:00 AM.

• 22:56Speaker 08

  I was looking at TV.

• 22:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:58Speaker 08

  I was looking at Barnaby Jones or the Rockford Files or something.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 09

  Come on out here, man. You gotta see this.

• 23:29Speaker 08

  I didn't want to be out there. Mario, he was just gung ho, man. Right, right, look at this, look at this. And yeah, man, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because out there, there's nothing out there but peri dogs, rattlesnakes. I don't want to see all that.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  On the right of that, you do ones of the call 30 is mine, the dead. And there from Kels.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  Everything was going really normal, nothing out of hand, nothing strange. At about 9:15, I just took a notion to go outside and smoke a cigarette. And I'm just looking around, it's a super clear night, super cold, and nothing was out of place. And I just happened to look to the east, really directly east. And I see this big old light in the sky, different color, a different gradient of a light.

• 24:24Speaker 09

  Do you mind if I flip my lights at this thing?

• 24:27Speaker 04

  In no successive form or no phonetic alphabet or anything. I just flipped the thing off and on, off and on, off and on three times. And I just walked outside kind of quick, not even knowing I'd get a response or I didn't expect one. About 30 seconds passed and all of a sudden it went off, came on, went off, came on.

• 24:51Speaker 07

  Thinking he just shared a friendly unconventional exchange, he goes back to his business. That is until just after midnight.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  All of a sudden I hear the alert phone in the flight security controller's office go off. Yes, sir. I hear sit for November 5.

• 25:15Speaker 07

  An inner and outer zone alarm all at once, above ground and below ground. Something is directly in the vicinity of the most destructive weapon on the planet.

• 25:30Speaker 04

  We go to the end of the road, which is a dirt or clay road. No other traffic, just us. We're the only thing out there.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  I just happened to look over about the four o'clock position. In the far distance, in the direction of November 5, I see this glow coming up off the ground, just pulsating.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  And he goes, what did you say?

• 25:59Speaker 08

  Whatever, man.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  That's exactly what he said.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  As we dropped off to, onto the dirt road and just barely started to crank left, there sat this object.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  And I said, "Look at that."

• 26:28Speaker 04

  I don't even know what Michael said at that point. I said, "Look at that. What are we supposed to do with that?"

• 26:34Speaker 10

  I said, "I ain't gonna tell you what I said."

• 26:36Speaker 04

  What did you say, Michael?

• 26:37Speaker 10

  I said, "I ain't gonna tell you what I said, you know, it's just, I can't, I don't think I can say it."

• 26:42Speaker 04

  You can swear.

• 26:43Speaker 08

  You can say it, yeah.

• 26:44Speaker 10

  Fucking shit, what is that? That's what I said. That's exactly what I said. What, fuck, what is this shit? What is that? Just like that, but...

• 26:53Speaker 04

  That's the natural reaction?

• 26:54Speaker 10

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  It honestly was.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  We pull up at a 45-degree angle.

• 27:04Speaker 10

  I did, turned 45.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  With a great question in both of our minds, and as soon as we stopped the vehicle,

• 27:13Speaker 04

  and just tried to take in the magnitude of what was above us, this damn thing, man, this light just went, or the glow, or whatever it was, just...

• 27:23Speaker 10

  Sunshine bright, man.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  Blew down on us like...

• 27:27Speaker 10

  It came down like that.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  It was just like a shield of light, just encompassed everything and everything about us. It lit up stuff that has probably never had light on it, I don't think. That's just how permeating it is. I felt as if, you know, there was light shining through parts of my body or something.

• 27:49Speaker 10

  Took up the whole missile site, man. Took up the whole, everything. It covered everything.

• 27:53Speaker 04

  The diameter of that thing was so big that it actually exceeded the perimeters of the fence line.

• 27:59Speaker 10

  I mean, it was blowing my mind, too. I was still conscious.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  And he was on the steering wheel just like that. You were grabbing on that steering wheel.

• 28:05Speaker 10

  I wanted to take that 45 angle, go elsewhere, you know, I wanted to take off, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to take off, you know, Rusty Wallace type, turn it up and go. I couldn't do it.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  As soon as that light hit us, it was as if there was a pressure placed upon us, right on your front of your body, like, pressure, like something pushing on my chest, and I was having trouble breathing, and I never had any, any issues whatsoever, and him too. We couldn't breathe, as if the air was being sucked away from us.

• 28:37Speaker 10

  Yeah, sucked out of us.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  Vacuumed out, but yet there was a, there was a pressure exerting some kind of energy or force, and I felt like I was even with a parka and flight pants and bunny boots and everything we had on. I still felt as if I was being lifted up toward into the back window. I felt like everything was rising, and this light is so permeating that in that seated position, I looked, and I looked right down the center vent of that dashboard. And there were those two vents, and there was one on this side, one on that side, and you got the heater vents on the floor, black rubber mats.

• 29:13Speaker 04

  And I looked at that vent just for a flash, and I could see way down in there, and then I just picked up these particles that I thought was glitter, which didn't make any sense at all with what's going on, I mean. And I just watched them just move by, so I just looked at them. I just looked, I don't even know if I said anything at that time, but I know we couldn't breathe, and I knew I had to do something. So without saying a word, I said, "Hold on a second." I just rolled the window down. I took my glove off of this hand. My trigger guard was open on my weapon, so I could use it with my left hand and my forefinger. That's what they were designed to do.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  And I got my black three-cell, three-decel flashlight. As I pull myself up on that window, and I reached out my left hand in front of me like this, and I put it up and grabbed the light bar, the bubble above me, and held on to that, and I took my flashlight, and I just flashed my flashlight at it three, four times like that, just like I did at the side. Not even, I couldn't even see if it was working. I just kept flashing my light at it. I was just asking for relief. Okay, it's us. I'm just asking for relief.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  And when I did that, and I felt as if I succeeded, I just slid back down in the seat, and I rolled that window up, not knowing anything else. I don't remember where my flashlight went, but I grabbed my weapon and I put it between me, and I said, "Michael," I leaned over and I said, "We can breathe now. It's gonna be okay."

• 30:45Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  He's just like this.

• 30:49Speaker 10

  I'm on the steering wheel.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  He's just like that on that steering wheel. I don't know if he's looking up or down or anything, and in the flash of a second, no sooner than I said that, this, this black ball just comes out of nowhere. And honestly, it was between four and six feet in diameter, like a, like a big beach ball with vents on it, and of a black color that, not like these microphone booms, but a different black than anything, than any color or any blackness you've ever seen.

• 31:20Speaker 10

  Ooh, it was scary black. It was just so dark, but damn, it was damn, it was just...

• 31:26Speaker 10

  It could, I couldn't see myself in it.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  You don't have words for it. You don't have, you can't explain it. You normally look at it and think, "What, how, what is that? How is that? How can it be that color?" Maybe like, almost like a tear in the fabric of reality itself? Possibly. Or, yeah, a hole opening up, and that blackness or something. I don't know, I don't know, but I know it was a ball,

• 31:49Speaker 04

  four to six feet in diameter with his strange lines on it, like vents, and it just sat down in front of that hood, about that high above that dark blue hood on that Ford. It sat there for about three seconds, and then it just went right over here beside me, over there beside him, in the back, back to this side, in front of him again, back to this side, in front of him again, sat right there, and it just went, and it was gone. I didn't even know that it left. It just left my visual

• 32:21Speaker 04

  radius at that time.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  And I, I just went, "What the hell was that?" He's not saying anything.

• 32:31Speaker 10

  I'm not saying the obscure shit list.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  And then this smell, just with the windows up, this smell just gets inside that vehicle, and I went, "What is that?" And I didn't have, I don't know, it's like sulfur and ammonia, like bad shrimp in a cooler. And I've smelled that before, and it just threw my mind right into that timeframe.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  I'm trying to say something to him, but he's not hearing me, or I'm talking, just, I'm just talking out loud, I guess. I'm just trying to make some sense of everything.

• 33:04Speaker 10

  I was, I was out. I mean, I couldn't do nothing at that time. I couldn't do nothing.

• 33:11Speaker 10

  My eyes was hurting, my head, but I heard him talking,

• 33:17Speaker 10

  but I couldn't respond. I was stuck.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  And I got a really strange feeling on the, on the right side of the vehicle, and I thought that was the safe place. You know, the craft is here, whatever it is you call it, whatever it is, it's to the left. It's closer to him than it is me. But I got a feeling on this side of me,

• 33:43Speaker 04

  and without looking first, the first thing I hear is from low to high, "Do not fear, do not fear." At that particular moment in time, I just, I just turned to my right like this, just looking, and I just see these shadows from about 20 feet away. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to focus on what I'm looking at, and as they approached me, there was three small ones and one tall one in the back, and he was about a foot and a half behind the three in the front.

• 34:21Speaker 04

  And the small one on the right, he had, they had, they were in uniforms, and they had on his little waistband, or a little waist, some kind of thing in his waist, and there was a little rod about that long, eight, 10 inches long. It reminded me of a, of one of those five-cent pencil erasers we used to get in elementary school. Costs us five cents, had a big eraser on one end of it, a yellow pencil. His face or his head was shaped differently than the three in the front. And I, I felt fear when I saw that one. I didn't fear, I didn't feel fear with the smaller ones, but I did with him.

• 35:00Speaker 04

  And it was at that moment, in my, in my time, in my head, it wasn't what I, it wasn't what I was seeing that did what it did to me. It was the nanosecond of time it took for me to register what I'm, what I'm seeing. What was the head shaped like on the big one? A more pronounced jaw, a smaller lip, a smaller lip line, eyes at a little different angle, and they all had large, black almond-shaped eyes. The small ones did too. They just weren't as large as the, as the taller one behind them.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  But his facial construction was different than the three small ones in front of him. And as I said, they weren't walking. They were sent, they were gliding in some way, and they weren't fast. They weren't slow. They were just, just moving steadily. And of course, that fear just built up in me because I knew they were coming, and there wasn't anything that I could do, nor would I do. I couldn't shoot them. I wouldn't shoot them. And the last thing that I remember was just my vision just getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and then it just went black.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  When Mario comes to, the missile site is gone. The truck is parked behind the wall of a reservoir dam near a town called Newell, more than eight miles from their post.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  His boots sink into mud in a field that should be frozen solid. Something very hot had clearly just been on the ground next to the truck. His watch says it's around 6:00 a.m. At least five hours of their lives, gone, never to be recovered. And still in the driver's seat is Michael, breathing heavy, eyes open, hands gripping the wheel tightly, but totally unresponsive, as if he's catatonic.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  We're November 5. As I'm contemplating what I just stepped in, all of a sudden that radio, that motorola radio with that little microphone hanging on the dash popped the lights and said,

• 37:18Speaker 03

  "Wings Security Control to November 1, November 1, what's your location?"

• 37:22Speaker 04

  And he said, "November 1, do you need medical help?" And I said, "I don't, but I'm not certain if my partner, uh, needs it or not." And the whole radio network just went silent for a minute because all these other sites, the Wings Security Control and all these other flight security controllers, all these other security policemen are here and everything that we're talking about, everybody.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  So I was instructed to do one-minute security checks as they were going to triangulate our position.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  We're dispatching a recovery team, maintain one-minute security checks. Yes, sir.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  The rescue team comes to their location. Sheriff's deputies out of a local town called Sturgis. A state trooper comes as well.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  I didn't know this till 2021, was that two deputy sheriffs had been dispatched from Sturgis, South Dakota by request of the Wings Security Control on base, 55 miles away compared to where Sturgis is. Sturgis is 29 miles south of Newell. And a state trooper, who that was his area, and he heard his father say, not knowing anything about anything, "Well, why do you want me to go look for them? They're better equipped than I am for something like that," whatever that was.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Why do civilian deputies matter? Because the Air Force controls Air Force paper. It does not control the Meade County Sheriff's dispatch log. If those records survive, this story has a document with a date on it.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  When Sergeant Garza pulled up, said, "What's going on?" He said, "Mario, I can't talk to you about this." He said, "I'm just here to escort you back to November Control." Followed them back to the launch control facility. I pulled in right in front of the flight security controller's office, and they just descended upon the vehicle.

• 39:15Speaker 00

  I don't know what's wrong with Michael.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  I said, "I don't know what's wrong with Michael." I said, "I can't get in and speak."

• 39:22Speaker 04

  They took me into the dayroom. They started banging me with questions. Everything was just at one time coming from every space in my mind, and I just went and sat on the toilet.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  All of a sudden, I get this ringing in my ears. When it happened, everything turned like lime green to me. I closed my eyes, and when I did, I had this feeling I was leaving my body.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  And when I opened my eyes that last time, I saw four fuzzy feet walking by, paws walking by the bottom of that door. That was a dog handler and his drug dog.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  I'll be out in just a minute. Yeah, no worries, man. You're all good. Just came in to check on you.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  I opened up the stall door, and I just went to the sink, and I just turned that faucet on, it's ice cold water, and I just drowned myself in water. I was just soaking wet. What'd you do, take a bath? And off we went to Ellsworth.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Michael and Mario are taken separately back to the base and interrogated apart. Sounds as if you've had an interesting evening. Michael goes to medical first.

• 40:29Speaker 07

  Michael, when was the first moment, if you recall, where you were kind of yourself again, where you had come to after you were in this sort of kind of catatonic state, you were kind of stuck to the steering wheel? At what point are you like, you know, shake it off? I'm back to my normal self. And then at that moment, what do you think just happened to you? Are you thinking about like, you know, do you have theories as to what happened to you?

• 40:59Speaker 08

  Well, after they took me out, took me out of the truck and everything and everything, and I remembered LT on one side, and I forgot who's on the other side.

• 41:10Speaker 04

  He was a facility manager, tech, or master sergeant.

• 41:13Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. They were driving me back to the base.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  I wondered, did they take you to Colonel Spraker's office? Or did they take you to medical?

• 41:21Speaker 08

  No, first I went to medical.

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Okay. Because if that means you were there before I was there, well, I was being interviewed because I left just a few minutes before you did.

• 41:30Speaker 08

  Yeah, that's why I was coming together, getting myself together then, you know, after that right there. But I was still out of it, but you know, I was able to get around, move around and everything and be puzzled, what the hell, man? You know what I'm saying? What the hell?

• 41:45Speaker 07

  I assume also you probably, upon preliminary assessment, you probably needed the medical attention sooner because you were in proper shock. So it makes sense that you would be taken. Do you remember what was, what the medical procedure was like?

• 41:57Speaker 08

  I just remember, I just remember they shot some in me, some in my vein and stuff, and all, like a little small physical, like they were giving me a physical, you know, everything. I remember that very well because it hurt me, stinging, you know? Oh, you know, like that. I do know that for a fact. I do know that checked my eyes out because my eyes was, they said, "Your eyes, can you see?" I haven't, yeah, I said, "Maybe I did have some part of my eyes because my eyes were hurting me bad." They didn't give me anything for my head. My head was burning, like my brain inside, it was hot, you know? I was like I had migraine or something.

• 42:33Speaker 07

  Did they ever say anything about sodium Pentothal?

• 42:36Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 42:37Speaker 07

  They did?

• 42:37Speaker 08

  They mentioned that, yeah.

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• 44:09Speaker 07

  Did they ever say anything about sodium pentathal?

• 44:12Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 44:13Speaker 07

  They did?

• 44:13Speaker 08

  They mentioned that, yeah.

• 44:14Speaker 07

  Because sodium pentathal is truth serum, and there's another famous case at Royal Air Force Bentwaters, and this is called the Rendlesham Forest case. And the three U.S. Air Force officers who were involved in this case all went back, and they were given truth serum to see if they could sort of, you know, retell everything that they, that they, you know, experienced.

• 44:36Speaker 08

  Right.

• 44:37Speaker 07

  You said something really interesting to me on the phone, and I think Mario was there too. You said, "They scrambled my brain."

• 44:43Speaker 08

  I'm glad you put that up, man, because my mind was scrambled. I know my brain was scrambled. Damn, my brain was scrambled, yeah, yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 07

  Do you remember anything like that?

• 44:53Speaker 08

  That's how it felt. That's how it felt. It really felt like that, like when they did, when that was happened to me, I didn't know who I was, I didn't know where I'd been, I didn't know my family.

• 45:08Speaker 07

  It was like they tried to erase your identity or something a little bit.

• 45:13Speaker 08

  Everything, you know, the people I knew on post, you know what I'm saying?

• 45:17Speaker 07

  The other context of sodium Pentothal in which it's used was like CIA mind control experiments. And so I wonder if they were trying to get you to forget the experience.

• 45:28Speaker 08

  I'm still puzzled why that lady stuck me with that needle and everything we talked about and everything, and felt funny, it was burning in my arm and everything. But I was worried about that for a long time, you know? Was it something LSD or something, whatever?

• 45:43Speaker 07

  What did you feel that doing to you physiologically or mentally? Like, what did you feel the liquid?

• 45:49Speaker 08

  High.

• 45:50Speaker 07

  Really?

• 45:51Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm, high.

• 45:53Speaker 07

  And you remember them talking about sodium Pentothal specifically? That is wild.

• 45:57Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:57Speaker 07

  I mean, that's definitely a truth serum, and they used that in other contexts when it came to, you know, nuclear UFO cases.

• 46:05Speaker 08

  Yeah, mm-hmm, I remember that.

• 46:07Speaker 07

  Wild.

• 46:10Speaker 02

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• 47:14Speaker 02

  Were they all flight surgeons? Or were there anybody in like more interesting official suits or tweed suits or uniforms?

• 47:23Speaker 08

  I think it was an OSI in there, too.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  Okay. Office of Special Investigation.

• 47:27Speaker 08

  I think it was just one in there, too.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Do you remember a tall man in a tweed suit?

• 47:32Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  You do? Do you remember anything about him?

• 47:36Speaker 08

  No, I thought he reminded me of my base command, my squadron commander, Colonel, I can't remember his name.

• 47:43Speaker 04

  Which base?

• 47:44Speaker 08

  No.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  At Ellsworth? Really?

• 47:47Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Was the man in the tweed suit fat or skinny?

• 47:51Speaker 08

  Skinny. He was a light bird. He was a light bird. This guy was a light bird. He was kind of like a peacock, you know? Kind of like a-

• 47:59Speaker 04

  He was very skinny, though.

• 48:00Speaker 08

  That's what I'm saying. Peacock, you know, they like that, you know? His neck was long and everything, you know? Her grace on top and everything.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  And you felt like the intention that you felt in the room, you were like, you felt like they were trying to figure out what happened or kind of mess with you in a way where it was like, we don't want Michael to recall this.

• 48:21Speaker 08

  I think a little of both.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  A little bit of both.

• 48:23Speaker 08

  They're trying to feed me everything.

• 48:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 08

  They were trying to feed me info and then try to take it away from me.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Do you remember the info they were trying to feed you?

• 48:30Speaker 08

  I didn't see nothing.

• 48:33Speaker 08

  Was you drinking?

• 48:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got asked that.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  So they were just gaslighting you?

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Well, they had a drug dog on the site before we even got back. So that had already been initiated. And they had to come 55 miles away from the base, the main sport base at Ellsworth to go to November 1.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  You remember the drug dog they brought to the site? Yeah, I remember the drug dog. Yeah, I remember that.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  That was a special phone call. That just didn't happen.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  And so after, so you experienced this with these, you know, flight surgeons and with Air Force Office of Special Investigations. And the whole time, are you trying to remember yourself or analyze what had happened to you? Or are you confused? Or what are you feeling when that's happening?

• 49:15Speaker 08

  I'm feeling lost. I'll be honest with you, I was feeling lost. I feel lost, scared, everything. And like, you know, what they gonna do with me? What they gonna do with me? I seen what I seen. I know what I saw. You know what I'm saying? I know what I saw, you know, and everything. And I didn't want to say anymore than I have to say because it was kind of drilling me. They were drilling me, you know? How you feel now? Questions like that, you know what I'm saying? How you feel right now? You know, I think they asked one time, do I get along with my mother?

• 49:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, standard.

• 49:49Speaker 08

  Okay? Do you get along with your mother? You know, like that, in a robe, in the right robe, you know, and everything like that. And I'm just like in the nurse over there, just sitting down, you know, just sitting there and everything. I said, you know, what this guy doing? What's going on?

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Sounds like they were looking for holes or leverage or some sort of diagnosis that they could point to to explain away the experience you had just had.

• 50:13Speaker 08

  Yeah. I, at that time, it makes sense now what you're saying, but at that time, I didn't think like that, though. I just think like, don't tell me what I didn't see. Don't tell me what I don't know. What I seen, what I know. I remember saying, where's my partner? I remember saying, where's my partner at?

• 50:27Speaker 04

  Me, too.

• 50:27Speaker 08

  Don't worry about him. He's okay. I say, where my partner? I say, partner, you know? Where he at? Don't worry about him. Don't worry about him. I said, okay, Woods, my partner, Woods. I still say, don't worry, you know? And that pissed me off right there. That pissed me off.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Me, too.

• 50:47Speaker 08

  It got me into almost a combat mood and everything.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:52Speaker 08

  You know, like that. Because I know it was half of him and me, okay, and everything. I didn't see him. And he was the main one that was holding me back, you know? For my, you know, be there for my back. He had my back.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  State your name.

• 51:07Speaker 09

  I'm Michael, Michael Johnson.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  That's right. And nothing happened last night, did it?

• 51:13Speaker 09

  Nothing happened.

• 51:14Speaker 03

  You're going to be okay, Airman. Nothing happened. Nothing happened.

• 51:18Speaker 09

  Where's my partner? Where's Woods?

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Don't worry about him. Give him the sodium Pentothal.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  Nice and easy, nice and easy, young man.

• 51:34Speaker 08

  I do remember

• 51:37Speaker 08

  I would get into this machine. It's like a shower stall.

• 51:40Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 51:40Speaker 08

  Like a shower stall and everything. Got in there and they closed it up. It was dark inside. I heard a hum and sound going while I was in there.

• 51:49Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 51:50Speaker 08

  I remember that. I remember that because this ain't a shower. What I'm doing in here, you know, my boxer shorts, you know?

• 51:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 06

  Had you ever seen that before?

• 52:00Speaker 08

  No, I've never seen that. Never seen that kind of instrument. Never seen it.

• 52:03Speaker 06

  Hmm, okay.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Mario's exam is equally strange. A flight surgeon spends long minutes on his gums, his teeth, the floor of his jaw. Something wrong with my teeth, doc? All the while, Air Force Office of Special Investigations agents are listening from behind a partition. And then the doctor tells Mario something that he doesn't know yet. He has burns, seemingly radioactive burns, straight out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

• 52:33Speaker 04

  He went up here and he just clipped a piece of skin off there and he took the whole tool and he stuck it right down in there and put a cork on it, laid it on that tray.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  That tissue entered the United States government's possession in November of 1977. And then it was probably classified. So the US government has literally confiscated and classified a piece of Mario. This piece of skin has never been accounted for since. So for all of you government transparency hounds and Freedom of Information Act experts out there, this might be one of the cleanest records to target in the entire story. At ease. Now, the debrief room. Because what the Air Force did next tells you a whole lot about how they treated UFO incidents on the inside back then. Five men in the room, the wing commander, the deputy base commander,

• 53:23Speaker 02

  agents of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and a civilian in a gray tweed suit nobody ever names.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  He answers their questions candidly, but he plays it smart when it comes to what he saw.

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Had I said that I saw these beings,

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  they would have immediately removed me from the PRP, Personal Reliability Program. I'd have lost my clearance. I'd have lost my job. I'd have never been in the missile field again. And I was newlywed at the time. And I needed a job.

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  Two men, the same experience. Mario's career survives. Michael's doesn't.

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  I just got so, point to the point that I was drinking for a while, you know what I'm saying, and everything? And I fought depression, you know, all that kind of things going on in my life, you know what I'm saying? I had a whole hard life. And so when I left after my Article 15, but honorable discharge, honorable discharge. They say, we're going to give you honorable discharge. Okay, well, you know? But I never really got the field of it and everything. And the thing about it, though, I was trying to go in the Marines after that. I was trying to go in the Marines. I said, I'm fixed. I'm going, I'm going to go in the Marines and stuff, you know, or the Navy. I'm still good enough, but they coated it. It has some kind of coat on it.

• 54:42Speaker 04

  Like a 1A or something? Yeah, I know what you mean.

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  And God told me it's taking Ike of Congress to get it off. And I just said, man, well, I could be a Boy Scout there for that matter, you know? I mean, I wanted, you know, get back here. I'm young. I'm ready to show, support, everything. So it didn't work out. So I stayed up there doing medial jobs for a while before I left. Medial job.

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  They put you on like general duties or something like that, right?

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  Yeah, picking up trash, putting in the bag and stuff. I was doing some paint, I was doing some paint. Painting the building, side of the building and everything like that. Mowing the grass and everything, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it was degrading.

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  That's a highly trained tactical individual from the Security Police Academy

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  at Lackland Air Force Base. And Combat Training School, just Camp Bullis is a prisoner of war training camp, six weeks.

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  Yeah, man, we was, we was working with the Rangers, man. Special Forces.

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  Yeah.

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  Well, I loved it.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, you know.

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  I killed a couple of snakes with the gun.

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  Man, I got ripped by a scorpion. I had one caught.

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  I, I, I killed a couple. Can I do something? Go ahead, Johnny, go ahead.

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  That's why I never said what was at the side of that window, what I saw when I saw those beings. I never, I never would say that. I said everything else, but I wouldn't say that because I'd have been cleaning up those barracks grounds, too. And you know it.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Now you might be wondering about the total blackout period. The period between Michael and Mario seeing a massive glowing red orb over November 5 at midnight, with beings hovering towards their pickup truck, and waking up eight miles away next to a dam.

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  Let's find out exactly what happened during those five and a half or so missing hours.

• 56:43Speaker 06

  Pay attention to your dreams. Pay attention to flashbacks. That's how the subconscious brings up more memory.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Recalling events from a traumatic, let alone supernatural, experience is inherently problematic, especially when it involves missing time. The mind files what it can't process in rooms it doesn't hand you the keys to. And often that's adaptive, for you to move on and go about your day-to-day life. It's common for experiencers to undergo hypnotic regression to unearth those shards of memory. Mario had his years ago, the session recorded. Mario couldn't play it back. The recording sat on his shelf for a year before he could bring himself to press play. The regression itself, which caused Mario to relive the experience, was so traumatic for him that it caused his heart to go into atrial fibrillation.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  But to get the full story of what happened to Michael and Mario that night, we needed Michael Johnson, a man who has never been hypnotized in his life, and has been repressing this memory for 50 years. We needed him to give hypnotic regression a try too, and see what we could unearth. So we flew out legendary hypnotherapist Yvonne Smith. Yvonne has probably done more hypnotic regressions of experiencers than anyone on the planet today. And she's the author of this amazing book that you should all buy, called Chosen: From the Alien Hybrid Program to the Fate of the Planet, quite the title. I want to give a trigger warning here, what you're about to see is very intense and somewhat disturbing.

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  And we should all commend Michael not only for undergoing this, but for sharing it and letting this air.

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  Michael, you got this.

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  You think so?

• 58:31Speaker 07

  Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're way stronger than you think you are. You're gonna be great.

• 58:37Speaker 10

  I hope so, man. I hope this, get this over with, man. I just feel so drained. I feel so drained.

• 58:51Speaker 06

  Now, Michael, I want you, at this time, to visualize, imagine, or picture yourself at the top of a beautiful, unique staircase, with two very sturdy handrails on each side. So as you're standing there, you feel very safe and very secure,

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  knowing now that this is the right time to remember, and a very safe time to remember.

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  And you start down, and five, four, three, two, one, and zero. As you allow yourself to gently drift down into a deep, deep sleep.

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  And allow yourself now to gently drift back in time, back to the winter of 1977. Describe where you are on the base.

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  I was, I was with my partner, my sat partner.

• 1:00:25Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:00:31Speaker 10

  A strange object, real bright, came out of the sky.

• 1:00:39Speaker 10

  Wait, after we approached the site. It came out the sky.

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  I couldn't believe it.

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  Okay. Take a good look at that object and just try to describe what it looks like.

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  A big, big building, a big building.

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  A warehouse building, like.

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  Now are you able to look ahead of you out of the windshield?

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  Just try to look out of the windshield, and describe everything you're seeing or sensing or feeling.

• 1:01:24Speaker 10

  I saw spinning objects. I saw spinning objects around me.

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  Okay.

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  I saw spinning objects around me. Spinning around the truck, the whole truck. I saw three individual, three objects, whatever it was, in front of the truck.

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  Try to describe what you're seeing, what's in front of the truck.

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  Three creatures.

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  Okay.

• 1:01:48Speaker 10

  Three creatures I've never seen out of this whole world was in front of me.

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  Try to describe what they look like.

• 1:01:57Speaker 10

  Yeah, they had big ass eyes.

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  Okay.

• 1:02:00Speaker 10

  Eyes were big.

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  Okay.

• 1:02:02Speaker 10

  Head, forehead was sticking out.

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  Okay.

• 1:02:06Speaker 10

  Skinny. Wasn't made of a man. They were made of something, they were putty, like putty.

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  And they were standing in front of me.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:20Speaker 10

  I just looked at them.

• 1:02:23Speaker 10

  They're mumbling. You could hear them mumbling, back and forth, mumbling everything. No fear, no fear, no fear.

• 1:02:32Speaker 06

  Seeing no fear?

• 1:02:33Speaker 10

  No fear.

• 1:02:34Speaker 06

  Okay. And you're seeing him through the windshield?

• 1:02:37Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:02:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  I didn't know if I turned my head, I know, I just kinda like looked in the side of my vision.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  And I see these four shapes. They're not walking, they're, they're just gliding.

• 1:02:56Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:02:57Speaker 04

  Three small ones and one tall one. I remember calling Michael's name, but he didn't say anything to me.

• 1:03:04Speaker 10

  At that point, at that point, seeing them scared the shit out of me.

• 1:03:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:10Speaker 10

  It scared me so bad.

• 1:03:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 10

  I couldn't do nothing to Mario. Mario was just, I heard him. I couldn't do nothing. I couldn't say nothing to him. But I heard him, I heard him.

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  What is Mario saying?

• 1:03:22Speaker 10

  Michael, Michael, Michael, you all right, you all right? Did you see that? I don't know what happened to me.

• 1:03:28Speaker 06

  Now you're still sitting in the truck?

• 1:03:31Speaker 10

  I'm in the truck, I'm in the truck, sitting in the truck, just sitting in the truck. And he grabbing me, trying to pull me. And I'm, I'm trying to fight myself to wake up, because I know I was conscious, I was just trying to fight my way to speak, to be back in, you know, in my body.

• 1:03:50Speaker 10

  And they wanted me to get out the truck.

• 1:03:53Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:03:55Speaker 10

  I couldn't get out the truck, they had to pull me out the truck.

• 1:03:58Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:59Speaker 10

  I heard things going around me, you know, like it's like something was raining or something, water moving, you know, like somebody turned a fire hydrant on or something, you know?

• 1:04:08Speaker 06

  Did you see any water as you look around?

• 1:04:11Speaker 10

  I tried to look around, I did try to look around.

• 1:04:13Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:14Speaker 10

  I looked to my right, looked to my left.

• 1:04:16Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:04:16Speaker 10

  Looked. I saw space out there, empty space. I didn't see no ground or nothing.

• 1:04:22Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:04:24Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:04:25Speaker 10

  I had a headache, felt like a headache, real serious headache, you know? All of a sudden I got a headache, my eyes, so I don't know what to do, I didn't know what to do, I didn't know what to do. I did hear, I was conscious, I heard Mario.

• 1:04:37Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:38Speaker 10

  I heard him.

• 1:04:39Speaker 06

  Now getting in touch with your head, as your head is hurting, do you sense or feel anything touching your head, causing the pain?

• 1:04:51Speaker 10

  Squeezing it. Somebody was trying to touch, they were squeezing my head.

• 1:04:55Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:04:57Speaker 06

  Squeezing it in which way? From ear to ear?

• 1:05:03Speaker 10

  On top.

• 1:05:04Speaker 06

  On the top?

• 1:05:05Speaker 10

  On the top and on the side.

• 1:05:06Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:05:07Speaker 10

  Squeezing it.

• 1:05:09Speaker 06

  Okay. Without feeling the pain, continue describing, what does it feel like?

• 1:05:16Speaker 10

  Needles.

• 1:05:18Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:05:20Speaker 06

  Where do you sense or feel the needles?

• 1:05:24Speaker 06

  You're doing just fine, just describe everything without feeling the pain. Allow the information to come forward.

• 1:05:37Speaker 10

  It just hurt so bad.

• 1:05:40Speaker 06

  Where do you feel the needles?

• 1:05:41Speaker 10

  My ear, my head.

• 1:05:45Speaker 10

  I felt the needles in my head. I felt my head being squeezed.

• 1:05:49Speaker 06

  Now where do you feel the needles? What part of your head?

• 1:05:53Speaker 10

  By my ear.

• 1:05:54Speaker 06

  Okay. By your ear?

• 1:05:56Speaker 10

  By my ears, on each side, on each side.

• 1:05:58Speaker 06

  Both sides?

• 1:05:59Speaker 10

  Both sides.

• 1:05:59Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  They take me somewhere.

• 1:06:04Speaker 06

  And what position is your body in?

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  I'm laying, I'm flat on my back.

• 1:06:09Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  And I can't, I can't believe that these three little guys, or whatever they are, are carrying me. And I, and I think whatever I'm breathing helps to relax me, and I'm not sure what it is. There's something that's placed on me from behind.

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  And it's on my left, it's behind my left ear, on my neck and upper ear area.

• 1:06:37Speaker 04

  And I remember saying something, "That feels like a crab."

• 1:06:48Speaker 04

  And then I hear Michael.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  And his, and his voice, he's, he's upset. He's very, he's really upset. And he goes, oh, man, he goes, why am I here?

• 1:07:03Speaker 04

  And the little one, the small one, just as plain as day says, because he's here.

• 1:07:13Speaker 04

  And I couldn't make sense of that.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  Michael was only maybe a foot or so away from me. I mean, I couldn't turn and see him. But he was just behind me.

• 1:07:31Speaker 06

  Mario, Mario, you here? Getting in touch with your body, do you sense anything touching any part of your body? Do you feel pressure anywhere in your body?

• 1:07:48Speaker 10

  My chest was heavy.

• 1:07:50Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:07:51Speaker 10

  My chest was heavy.

• 1:07:53Speaker 06

  Okay. Do you sense any movement around you, any sound around you?

• 1:08:02Speaker 10

  Yes, my hands was on me. Something felt like hands on me.

• 1:08:05Speaker 06

  Okay, where are those hands?

• 1:08:07Speaker 10

  On my chest.

• 1:08:08Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:08:09Speaker 10

  My thighs.

• 1:08:10Speaker 06

  And what are those hands doing? What does it feel like? What are those hands doing?

• 1:08:16Speaker 10

  They were cutting in me, cutting into me.

• 1:08:19Speaker 06

  In what part of your body?

• 1:08:21Speaker 10

  My thighs, my, my, my thighs, my, my ankles, my ankles.

• 1:08:27Speaker 06

  Both legs?

• 1:08:28Speaker 10

  Both legs.

• 1:08:29Speaker 06

  Okay. Just take a look down there towards your legs.

• 1:08:35Speaker 06

  You're doing just fine without feeling the pain or discomfort. Just try to describe.

• 1:08:43Speaker 06

  What is causing that?

• 1:08:46Speaker 10

  I don't know. I don't know. I know. They were sticking me. They were sticking things in me.

• 1:08:49Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:08:50Speaker 10

  They were sticking things in me. I felt some go inside me.

• 1:08:53Speaker 06

  Who is causing the discomfort on your legs?

• 1:08:59Speaker 10

  These, these funny ass creatures. Whoever the hell it was, it was not, it was a human.

• 1:09:04Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  Do not fear. We mean you no harm.

• 1:09:10Speaker 06

  Are those the same ones you saw out of your windshield?

• 1:09:14Speaker 10

  Spinning around, that funny head shaped mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:20Speaker 06

  Okay. How many do you see down towards your legs?

• 1:09:25Speaker 10

  About, about three.

• 1:09:27Speaker 06

  Three?

• 1:09:28Speaker 10

  About three.

• 1:09:28Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:09:34Speaker 10

  It was freaky. It was feeling on me.

• 1:09:38Speaker 06

  Okay. What's happening with your head?

• 1:09:43Speaker 06

  I'm gonna touch your shoulder. I'm gonna touch your shoulder.

• 1:09:47Speaker 10

  Get off me!

• 1:09:50Speaker 06

  Touch your shoulder. This is me touching your shoulder. Take a deep breath. Take a deep breath. Remember, you came out of it.

• 1:10:01Speaker 06

  Tell me what's happening. Tell me what's happening. Tell me what's happening.

• 1:10:04Speaker 10

  They grabbed me!

• 1:10:06Speaker 06

  Grab you where?

• 1:10:06Speaker 10

  The groin!

• 1:10:08Speaker 06

  Okay, okay, okay. Let it all come out. Just continue describing it.

• 1:10:16Speaker 10

  I was punching the groin.

• 1:10:18Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:10:19Speaker 10

  I was punching, then I stopped.

• 1:10:21Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:10:26Speaker 10

  It stopped. My head stopped hurting.

• 1:10:29Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:10:32Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:10:33Speaker 10

  My eyes were still hurting. I couldn't open my eyes. I closed them, I opened them, closed them, opened them. Opened them long enough to see what the hell was going on.

• 1:10:42Speaker 06

  What's causing your eyes to be irritated?

• 1:10:46Speaker 10

  Lights.

• 1:10:46Speaker 06

  The lights?

• 1:10:47Speaker 10

  The lights. It was so bright. It was like, like an operating table, like, like an operating table, you know?

• 1:10:53Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:10:53Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Speaker 06

  Okay. Michael, you're doing just fine.

• 1:10:57Speaker 10

  Keep that. Stay off me, man. Stay off me.

• 1:11:01Speaker 06

  Are they still touching your body?

• 1:11:03Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:11:04Speaker 06

  What part?

• 1:11:04Speaker 10

  My chest, my chest.

• 1:11:06Speaker 06

  Okay. Tell me what they're doing on your chest.

• 1:11:10Speaker 10

  Pushing down, pressing down my chest, pressing down my chest.

• 1:11:13Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:11:15Speaker 10

  They stopped. It put something in my mouth.

• 1:11:18Speaker 06

  What is it? What does it feel like?

• 1:11:21Speaker 10

  Rubber.

• 1:11:22Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  I see writing?

• 1:11:28Speaker 06

  Take a look at the writing. Just try to describe it. Where are you seeing the writing?

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Next to instruments or next to.

• 1:11:39Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  Levers, next to.

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  Things that are on a, like a console.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  And he takes this device that's connected to something else, not a wire, but a cable or something.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  And he bends my wrist backwards and he goes down into my wrist with it. And I keep, he tells me to relax. I'm not gonna hurt you. I said, you are hurting me. You are hurting me.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  We're helping you. We're helping you. Please, stop. I ask, do you, do you help everybody? So that they need to be.

• 1:12:21Speaker 06

  You're doing just fine, Michael. You're doing just fine.

• 1:12:26Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:12:30Speaker 10

  Get off me.

• 1:12:32Speaker 06

  Keep describing what's happening. Remember, you came out of it and you're safe.

• 1:12:37Speaker 10

  No.

• 1:12:38Speaker 06

  Just describe everything.

• 1:12:41Speaker 10

  They turned me on my stomach.

• 1:12:44Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:12:45Speaker 10

  It starts like slicing my back, cutting my back. Cold, like a cold blade.

• 1:12:53Speaker 10

  To my spinal, to my spinal.

• 1:12:56Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:12:58Speaker 10

  And back and forth.

• 1:13:01Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:13:02Speaker 10

  And they stopped.

• 1:13:05Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:13:08Speaker 10

  They stopped. That was it. That was it.

• 1:13:13Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. Do you feel anything else on your back?

• 1:13:18Speaker 10

  No.

• 1:13:19Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:13:20Speaker 10

  No.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  I don't know how long I'm there. I don't know how long I've been there. I don't know what their intentions are.

• 1:13:30Speaker 04

  I'm just so afraid that I'll never get home again.

• 1:13:35Speaker 04

  I think about all the times I've ever. From a boy, when I've seen these things, when I'm not them, but their, their craft.

• 1:13:48Speaker 04

  They've been coming a very, very, very, very long time.

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  This is your planet. This is our planet. Where is it?

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  I ask about Michael. Told Michael's okay. He'll be all right.

• 1:14:08Speaker 06

  Do you hear anything from them? Do you hear a message?

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Do not fear. Do not fear.

• 1:14:23Speaker 07

  How do you feel watching that?

• 1:14:29Speaker 10

  Wow. That was, I was pissed.

• 1:14:33Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:14:34Speaker 10

  I was pissed. I thought they were gonna do some, some stuff to me, you know?

• 1:14:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Speaker 10

  I really did. I come and, you know, I'm on my stomach. I'm helpless and stuff. This ain't no jailhouse. This is here, you know? Ain't no peanut butter sandwich. You can't, you gotta pay me some way. You know where I'm coming from. But, you know, he didn't do anything. It didn't do anything.

• 1:15:02Speaker 10

  But stopped by his, at the end of my back, right here. And then that was it.

• 1:15:09Speaker 10

  I remember that. I felt that. I felt it. Cause I was thinking, damn, they're gonna do something to me. They will do something to me. Take specimens or something. They're gonna insert something in me.

• 1:15:23Speaker 07

  Yeah, and that's actually a common thing with experiencers. That sort of thing happens. So, and there are even theories that there's some sort of interspecies breeding program going on because of how common that is.

• 1:15:36Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:15:37Speaker 07

  Damn, man.

• 1:15:38Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:15:39Speaker 07

  That must be a violating, weird.

• 1:15:41Speaker 10

  Yeah, it, it was.

• 1:15:42Speaker 07

  You just have no control. Yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 10

  I couldn't do nothing.

• 1:15:45Speaker 07

  Can't stop.

• 1:15:46Speaker 10

  I couldn't do nothing, you know?

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  It was really hard to see you viscerally, like, I, cause I could hear through my, I knew that you're, as you're describing what they're doing, your back, you're scratching the couch, like the leather on the couch. And I just knew that was the most somatic part of the, of what you were going through. Like, there was so much of your body contracting and you holding. I could tell that that was the deepest part that, that you've done.

• 1:16:06Speaker 10

  Damn it.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Speaker 10

  Cause I was, I was conscious, you know?

• 1:16:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:12Speaker 10

  I'm sorry. I was conscious.

• 1:16:14Speaker 07

  No, and you could feel whatever anger or, you know, it's, you're being rational. Don't, don't stress.

• 1:16:20Speaker 10

  And, you know, we as men, we know, uh-uh.

• 1:16:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:16:24Speaker 10

  Uh, no, that, that ain't gonna happen. But I was, I was helpless. But I yelled, I kept screaming.

• 1:16:31Speaker 05

  Well, you know, it came up in, in your intro session with, with Yvonne before you went under. And I remember the detail coming out of you feeling just so uncomfortable and violated when you, when they were examining you after, because you were also in your underwear.

• 1:16:46Speaker 10

  I liked to be in a room where a bunch of men are dressed.

• 1:16:49Speaker 06

  With men on these, the military?

• 1:16:51Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:16:52Speaker 06

  And they made you take off your clothes?

• 1:16:53Speaker 10

  My uniform.

• 1:16:54Speaker 06

  And, so they could examine? Okay.

• 1:16:58Speaker 05

  I remember, I was like, huh, it's an, like, interesting that that detail really stuck out, you know? After you've gone through, after you had gone through everything that you'd gone through. But it made sense when you, when you went under and it, and it almost was like a trigger for something that you had just gone through. Cause you were just violated on, you know, on the craft. And then now you're violated again by your, you know, fellow soldiers on the base. So that, that was like an interesting link as we were.

• 1:17:26Speaker 10

  Yeah. I do remember, I feel funny, you know what I'm saying? I feel funny and everything and like that. And I thought, I thought they, they kicked me in the nuts too, you know, and everything.

• 1:17:41Speaker 10

  Man, shoot.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  I wonder if it was like they were taking spinal fluid or, cause it feels like that would be pretty central to any sample collection?

• 1:17:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, central nervous system.

• 1:17:52Speaker 10

  Nervous system, nervous system. I knew that in biology, yeah.

• 1:17:56Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Speaker 10

  Whoa.

• 1:17:58Speaker 07

  It's not easy to listen to, I'm sure.

• 1:18:01Speaker 10

  Man, that was awful.

• 1:18:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 10

  That was awful.

• 1:18:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  Do not fear. Two men, two rooms, hours apart. Neither in earshot of the other. The same three words. Words Mario has attached to his memory since 1977. Whatever happened in November of 1977 at Ellsworth, those words were definitely a part of it.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  In the middle of the most gut-wrenching stretch of Michael's playback, Mario's phone pushed its verse of the day. And the verse was about fear. Fear not, do not fear. Was the verse of the day. Like now we have to give one stem.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  Fear.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Oh, fear is the verse.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  Well, when I was sent to Keylon Control, I got a real strict briefing from Master Sergeant Gray that, of course, you know, reiterated everything that was said in Colonel Spreaker's office about not talking. Said people were talking and discussing what happened to he and I to their best of what they'd been told, which was not much. And even though things were not said, at guard mounts, for instance, a week's following, people would just walk by you and just slow down and look at you. Even though they wouldn't say anything, they wanted to. And or they would say something to someone else. And then that person who might have been your friend would say, yeah, they think this and that. And they think, you know, what the hell is wrong with you?

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  Or why would, you know, why did you and he go through this? Or and nobody else has. And it really gets to you.

• 1:19:49Speaker 08

  I was not the drinking type. I didn't smoke. You know, a lot of guys around there was actually mad at me because I wouldn't play cards and, you know, drink or anything. Really got mad at me. So it was like they thought, they thought like.

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  Or gamble.

• 1:20:02Speaker 08

  Yeah, they thought maybe like I was OSI or somebody or somebody undercover. Snitching on, you know, we had snitches around it. But no, that wasn't me. It's just, that's how I grew up and everything. And as far as bullying, yeah, yeah. Because how my, how I was at the time, very back cool, not, not too heavy, not heavy weight. And these guys coming from all walks of life and everything. Want to get away from what they had. And they want everybody to join them. I wouldn't join them, you know? They had their little gang. I wouldn't join them. So I was actually an outcast and everything. Next thing I know, I was riding back with somebody. I was riding back with a sergeant. I can't remember his name. I can't remember his name. I was not talking. He was, he kept saying he's going to be all right. Because I asked him, you know, what's going on here?

• 1:20:47Speaker 08

  Where are we going? And everything like that. He said, we're going back to post. We're going back to base. We're going back, you know, we're going, we're going, we're going to go and talk to some people.

• 1:20:56Speaker 06

  You remembering something else?

• 1:20:58Speaker 08

  Yeah, I remember. I remember I got into a fight with this sergeant at one of the, one of the missile sites.

• 1:21:06Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:21:08Speaker 08

  Poor.

• 1:21:10Speaker 06

  Because the way he was, they were questioning you and treating you.

• 1:21:16Speaker 08

  Yeah, he was, he was trying to bully me, trying to bully me, trying to bully me. He was bigger than me.

• 1:21:24Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 1:21:25Speaker 08

  And he tried to bully me. I told the site manager, I can't remember who the site manager's name was. I told him, man, you don't get him off me. Leave me alone. He told me, leave me alone, man. I'm tired of this, man. He always got pick on me.

• 1:21:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:40Speaker 06

  Try not to keep punishing yourself about that.

• 1:21:44Speaker 06

  You were defending yourself.

• 1:21:47Speaker 06

  You were defending yourself, you know, Michael.

• 1:21:52Speaker 08

  Everybody got pick on me. I got tired of it. I got fed up with it. Talk to you a nice guy, can leave me alone.

• 1:22:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:01Speaker 08

  He kept grabbing me.

• 1:22:06Speaker 08

  Everybody thought it was funny. It wasn't funny. It was a funny way I put the M16 up to your neck, wasn't it? It was a funny thing about cocking up there, didn't it? Everybody, they everybody punked out.

• 1:22:18Speaker 08

  I remember me so scared. Yeah, you know, bitch, now what? You know?

• 1:22:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:26Speaker 08

  Where this come from?

• 1:22:27Speaker 06

  It's okay.

• 1:22:30Speaker 06

  It's, it's all in there, Michael.

• 1:22:32Speaker 08

  Where did it come from? I mean.

• 1:22:35Speaker 06

  It's traumatic.

• 1:22:36Speaker 08

  We're going to kill that son of a bitch. I'm going to kill him. I didn't care at that point. I'm glad it didn't though. I'm glad it didn't. No, man, I'm just so tired, tired. Everything going this way, going to school. Why, why, why I'm leaving this way here? I was pumping out of Ellsworth.

• 1:22:56Speaker 06

  And you've been holding that in for all these years?

• 1:23:01Speaker 06

  For all these years, Michael?

• 1:23:05Speaker 06

  And give yourself some credit for being here.

• 1:23:19Speaker 08

  And like I said, after I got, I just pumping shit. After I got kicked out and everything, I'm discharged. I stayed in Rapid City for a while. Before I left, I talked to, I talked to Mario, you know, before I left and everything.

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  What do you recall about that conversation?

• 1:23:34Speaker 08

  What they do to you, man? What they do to you? What they say?

• 1:23:40Speaker 08

  You know, let me come in, let me come in, let me come in. We need to talk. Then Mario started talking to me about, oh, I can't remember what it was. But he said something like, it was something that he asked me, did I, did I see anything? I said, yeah, I saw it. I said, I saw it. But I don't know how they're going to make, make it seem like I didn't. Okay. But I just told him straight up, man, this, this gets some, this, this, this gets some drawings doing. Let's do something here, man. I saw something. I want to write it down before I forget.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  What'd you draw?

• 1:24:10Speaker 08

  A funny ass looking alien man.

• 1:24:14Speaker 08

  And I see what, what I seen for what I seen and everything. Just, you know, almost like what a kid would draw and everything. Face, teeth, you know, everything like that. I don't know what was affected had.

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  Do you remember that being in your mind's eye? You remember seeing it?

• 1:24:29Speaker 08

  Mm hmm. That's what I'm saying. I was drawing what I was seeing.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  And what, what did the being look like? What did the face look like?

• 1:24:34Speaker 08

  Angry. Angry, big eyes, angry. I remember, I remember I was in some place. I don't know where it was. But I was in another empty space or capsule or something. And I saw things that were flying around, floating around, rather, whatever and everything. And so I just kind of just shook it off and everything because I didn't know for sure if I was on the floor, my head on the floor and trying to talk to somebody. But I kept bumping, I kept bumping, kept bumping to somebody, you know, and everything. And I thought it was Mario, you know, like I was on this side. He was on that side. It's like we was on a table, you know?

• 1:25:17Speaker 03

  What happened back there, man? I was lying down somewhere. And there was a glove on a floor, a real shiny floor, nothing like the inside of that truck.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  This is a crucial part of Michael and Mario's story. Michael vividly remembered seeing one of Mario's gloves lying on a very shiny floor. Nobody else on patrol that night had a pair like these.

• 1:25:40Speaker 08

  Old Michael Jackson glove.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  Michael Jackson.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  You remember the.

• 1:25:45Speaker 08

  I do remember the glove. I remember that I was. The reason why I brought my attention was because I seen it with the glove and it was a nice, super nice glove that I was going to take.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  The night of the incident, he pulled the right one off to work his flashlight. The same gloveless hand that the flight surgeon would later find burned. But again, Michael remembers seeing this glove on a shiny floor. And even though Mario took the glove off, he kept it with him.

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  In the middle of all of this, that's what gets you. In the middle of all of it, you know, there's a glove on a shiny floor. And he said that to me. You know, my, my wife, she was sitting over here. And he was sitting on the couch. And I was at a little bit of a round table. And I, well, he had a pad in front of him and I had a pad in front of me and a pencil. And when he said that, I just looked at him and I crossed my head. I remember kind of looking, questioning myself. I said, wait a minute. Not my gloves, you know? I can't lose one of those because a B-52 pilot gave them to me my first couple of nights there at Ellsworth in the BAQ barracks, which is like, like a, like a makeshift hotel. When you first get to a base, you got to have a place to lay your head. So you can go to the BAQ like hotel and spend the night.

• 1:26:58Speaker 04

  Well, he and I shared a room. There was like 10 beds in there. I was over in that end, that was that. And I, and I just saw his stuff he was unfolding. And I said, man, those are badass gloves, man. He said, yeah, you're going to need some of these living here. He said, I've been here before. And he goes, here, take these. He just gave them to me. So I always prized those gloves. And I don't even know what happened to the left hand one now. But that, that day, and he said that, I ran in my room. And I kept my Diddy bag, a hawk bag. I kept it in the closet. Well, I didn't want to look at it. So I grabbed it out, old gray looking bag. I emptied that, unzipped it and I emptied it on the couch next to you. And I spread everything out, you know? I did everything.

• 1:27:41Speaker 04

  And my left hand glove was there, but the right hand glove was gone. And I did, I didn't even know that before.

• 1:27:46Speaker 03

  Holy shit. I'm missing one.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  So you think the glove literally maybe was taken by the beings?

• 1:27:55Speaker 04

  It was left.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  On the spaceship?

• 1:27:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:27:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was there.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  On the UFO?

• 1:28:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  On the floor of the UFO?

• 1:28:03Speaker 04

  They got my damn glove, man.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  And you pulled, you pulled out your Diddy bag because Michael was like, I remember seeing the glove on the floor and you only had one of the gloves in your bag.

• 1:28:11Speaker 04

  Well, my comment was, is there, I said, Michael, an F-154 pickup truck's got rubber black mats. What do you mean a shiny floor? That brought my curiosity to it. So I ran into my bedroom and grabbed it.

• 1:28:23Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:28:23Speaker 04

  Came back out there and unzipped it and dumped it. Radio, underwear, shave kit, everything, right on the couch. And there's my left hand glove, no right hand glove.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  So somewhere floating around in the cosmos, you have your B-52 glove.

• 1:28:37Speaker 04

  They do.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  I mean, along with old radios and old TVs.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  Maybe it'll go in their museum. I don't know.

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  That's right. Yeah.

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• 1:29:26Speaker 07

  Mario, you also, at certain points, remember walking through almost a room of, like, antiques? Like, old gramophones and vinyl players?

• 1:29:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was in a dream. I didn't recall that in hypnosis.

• 1:29:42Speaker 07

  What connected the dream with the abduction experience? Possibly, like, what makes you think that that might have been what you experienced in the crap?

• 1:29:50Speaker 04

  The small being and the foggy atmosphere.

• 1:29:53Speaker 07

  Was the small being leading you through that room?

• 1:29:56Speaker 04

  Yes, he allowed me to go, took me into the room of old things and just allowed me to be there and to look. And I don't draw, I didn't draw here, but on the backside of this wall, there's a window, and it's a round window. And it had a pie slice out of it. He told me I could go look out that window, and I just shook my head, no, I don't want to see what's in that, what's out that window. And I didn't go.

• 1:30:19Speaker 04

  But the iron, the sewing machine, the stereo, the lamp post, was all items that we had in our home as I was growing up. Not these items, but items just like that in Port Arthur, Texas. So that's when I took it that maybe they were, maybe they were like archaeologists or scientists in some way, collecting this stuff from the human race. I don't know. And asking our opinions of it or what have you. I don't know.

• 1:30:48Speaker 07

  Do you remember now, when you try to remember the shiny floor of the UFO with the B-52 glove on top of it? Mario's glove, do you remember that?

• 1:30:59Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:59Speaker 07

  You do?

• 1:31:00Speaker 08

  I do.

• 1:31:01Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:31:01Speaker 08

  I do, I definitely do.

• 1:31:03Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:31:04Speaker 08

  In fact, where I was sitting, where I was laying down, when I saw it. I was laying down and I saw it. I was, I was on, as I said, I was being probed and, you know, and everything. And turned over and back, and I saw, I saw paper, I thought it was paper. It was, it was a handkerchief, it was a glove. I saw it, but I kept a note of it. I didn't pick it up, but I saw it. Because I'm thinking he was still in the same room with me.

• 1:31:33Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:31:34Speaker 08

  Okay, so I kept that in my, in my mind. So I was, my brain was scattered, like, you know, scattered. I remember glove, it was a nice, clean silver glove, you know. You know, just, because he bragged about it. I remember, you know what I'm saying? It was nice glove, because I was going to take it.

• 1:31:51Speaker 07

  See, even in, while you're being sort of traumatized in this UFO, you're like, that glove's nice and I wish I could take it right now.

• 1:31:59Speaker 08

  Yeah, you know, I was being dogged around anyway. You know what I'm saying? And everything.

• 1:32:08Speaker 07

  When you recreate that face in your mind's eye, the big eyes, does that somehow feel familiar to you? Or does it feel very foreign?

• 1:32:18Speaker 08

  No, I feel familiar. I feel familiar. You'll laugh at me if I say I've seen guys, people walking among us with heads shaped like that. And I have seen it.

• 1:32:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:29Speaker 08

  I have seen it.

• 1:32:30Speaker 07

  Does it feel friendly? Or does it feel neutral or negative? Or does it have some sort of, like, emotional connotation?

• 1:32:38Speaker 08

  Mystifying. You know, I look at him, you know, like that, and he's just walking on among us, you know. But I just, I have seen strange-looking people my time.

• 1:32:49Speaker 07

  You think there are some people in society that might not be fully human?

• 1:32:53Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm, I really do. I actually didn't think that, but I've been thinking that for years now.

• 1:32:58Speaker 07

  Well, you're not alone in thinking that. In fact, one of the kind of foremost pioneers in UFO research is a billionaire named Robert Bigelow, who's spent all sorts of resources in trying to, you know, figure out how UFOs fly and work. And he worked, you know, with the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, in an official government capacity in order to kind of reverse-engineer UFOs. And he has quoted, you know, in multiple interviews, saying that aliens walk among us.

• 1:33:25Speaker 11

  Yeah, they could be among us, you know, whether they're hybrids or they're some other kind of, of, really look-alike, you know, kind of thing.

• 1:33:38Speaker 07

  So I think you're in good company. But you texted me something very interesting before coming out here. You said, "Can't wait to see you guys. I appreciate what you have been doing to make me feel a little easy after a half a century of not knowing who I am." What did you mean by that?

• 1:33:56Speaker 08

  I think, what I meant by that was, nobody believed me, okay? I wouldn't talk about it that much. I felt like, you know, it's just something that I would have to take with me to my grave. I didn't think nobody believed me. And, and my morale was down, okay? I was going through changes, depression and everything at that time. A lot of things hit me hard. I stayed to myself a lot. I don't talk to people. And that's a bad thing to, bad thing to do. I need to talk. I go to the VA now more than I ever have and start talking about the certain things to ease my mind, because I can't sleep at night. I have a hard time sleeping. I can't sleep, I wake up 2:00, 3:00 in the morning,

• 1:34:40Speaker 08

  and I got to be at work at 8:00 and everything. And that really took a toll on me mentally, angrous, mental angrous. But, but when I got in touch with you guys, I felt a lift up. I felt a lift. I felt a lift and everything. Oh, steps, somebody out here relate with me. You know what I'm saying? Relate with me, you know? And then when you took back to him, I said, wow. It had changed my life. I'm about to retire, and this is coming out on me. Damn, boy, you know, I felt good. I felt good.

• 1:35:16Speaker 07

  You, you should know, but do you know who Robert Hastings is, Michael?

• 1:35:19Speaker 08

  I've heard of him.

• 1:35:20Speaker 07

  He's amazing. He's really a, just an honorable, good guy. And for decades, has thanklessly, and thanklessly is, is an understatement, with a lot of backlash and at times death threats and, and, and calls to his house, has just been with not a lot of, you know, money coming in as a result of this, has chronicled people like yourself and Mario and other, you know, guys working at nuclear bases all over the country and even certain civilian energy grids, where he's just, you documented this ubiquitous connection between nuclear and UFOs and Tic Tacs, saucers, orbs, all these sorts of, you know, crafts showing up at these sites, often tampering with the nukes.

• 1:36:04Speaker 07

  In certain cases, actually affecting the employees directly. Sometimes you have close encounters of the third kind. But if you, you read his book, it's almost 600 pages, and you come out of it, and your stories don't exist in a vacuum. They don't exist in isolation at all.

• 1:36:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:36:19Speaker 07

  They're, they're, they're of a variety. And so we actually have two copies that we just bought, and I'll give, I'll gift you a copy. But that, I mean, so just so you really feel like you're not alone. You have all these guys in this book who've experienced similar retributions.

• 1:36:35Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:36:36Speaker 04

  I've read it, yeah, it's a great book.

• 1:36:37Speaker 08

  Definitely with that.

• 1:36:38Speaker 04

  And we're in it.

• 1:36:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, you guys are in the book. You're in the book.

• 1:36:41Speaker 08

  I'm in the book? Oh, I don't know that.

• 1:36:43Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, your name's in, you're in there.

• 1:36:45Speaker 07

  Here's the book.

• 1:36:46Speaker 08

  That's it right there?

• 1:36:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, check it out.

• 1:36:50Speaker 11

  The nuclear connection is longstanding, widespread, and ongoing.

• 1:36:57Speaker 07

  Hastings is a legendary journalist, UFO researcher, and the author of UFOs and Nukes, a nearly 600-page book comprehensively chronicling UFO experiences across nuclear bases in the United States and abroad. A former American alchemy guest, he's spent decades meticulously examining the nuclear UFO link through experiencers like Mario. He's met almost 170 of them, to be exact. Missile security, radar operators, weapons officers, photo instrumentation specialists, you name it. All of these guys, time and time again, report seeing orbs, lights, Tic Tacs,

• 1:37:41Speaker 07

  hovering over extremely sensitive military assets, sometimes tampering with nukes directly. And sometimes, as in Mario's case, abducting the people guarding them.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  Malmstrom Air Force Base, 1967. 10-minute manned nuclear missiles go offline while security police report an object over the gate. This was confirmed by two men in two different rooms, one of whom was launch control officer Bob Salas, who's been on the show.

• 1:38:22Speaker 04

  We're talking between September of 66 and March of 67. We lost 30 missiles to UFO activity.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  30, that's pretty insane. Big Sur, September 1964. An Air Force camera crew films an object firing beams at a dummy nuclear warhead in flight. And the officer who captured it is told-- Lieutenant Jacobs, you are never to speak of this again. It never happened. And then he was deleted from the government. That photo instrumentation officer, Bob Jacobs, was definitely in the government. In fact, he managed 130 people in his role. Yeah, I had 130 or guys working for me. And I had two friends from college who were my commanding people. And I also have something called a DD-14.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  And later, in the 90s, he was finally vindicated and given backup by his major, Florenz Mansman, who was also aware of the UFO incident. Also, in September of 1964, at Vandenberg, another missile security officer, Richard Barth, was taken aboard a craft with four alien beings. While being abducted, Barth was told by one of the beings that they needed to do recon on human nuclear missiles so they could ensure that humanity wouldn't destroy itself. And if you're wondering, Barth and Jacobs didn't even know that one another existed.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  I've spoken to many of these witnesses personally. They've all served their country with honor and pride and now have completely normal lives outside of their remarkable experiences. Unless do you think that this is only occurring at American nuclear bases, look no further than the Rendlesham Forest incident in 1980. This English forest was the site of the largest nuclear stockpile in Europe at the time. Or you can go as far as Japan. UFOs are spotted so frequently by Fukushima, famous for its nuclear energy grid, that there's a local mountain called Mount Senkamori with a museum dedicated to UFOs at its base.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  Or take presidential adviser Harold Malmgren, who held pieces of a UFO in his hands that came down from a high-altitude nuclear test in the Marshall Islands, the Blue Gill Triple Prime Test. The pieces were collected and rushed off to Sandia National Labs in New Mexico, where Lawrence Preston Geis, Jeff Bezos's maternal grandfather and the future founder of DARPA, showed Malmgren the pieces.

• 1:41:13Speaker 07

  He reached for some stuff sitting on his desk. These are things that have come down, round rock, you know?

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  So you're looking at anomalous material?

• 1:41:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  Debris?

• 1:41:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  Take even canonical cases like the Roswell crash in 1947. Roswell wasn't a random desert in America. It was the largest concentration of nuclear weapons in the world at the time. It was the only one. Finally, South Dakota's own Ellsworth Air Force Base itself has a long history of UFOs showing up on site. On August 5, 1953, a trained civilian spotter calls into the base. A blazing light is suspended low on the horizon, pulsing. And within minutes, radar at the South Dakota base locks on to that unknown object. What happens next becomes legend.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  One pilot gets dispatched and chases the object for 120 miles across the prairie. He can't catch it. The thing keeps a perfect three-mile gap, toying with him, pulling away from a military jet like it's standing still. This thing's flight capabilities are not normal. And it doesn't end there. That same night, the UFO rolls into Bismarck, North Dakota, where 45 stunned townspeople and military air defense personnel watch strange lights dance across the sky for two nights straight. Radar, pilots, dozens of witnesses across two states.

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  Even Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, the head of Project Blue Book, the Air Force's own UFO investigations unit, called it the best UFO report in their files. And to this day, the Air Force has never explained it. And in 1978, one year after Mario and Michael, a security team at the base abandoned a silo with the access plug open, which no security policeman does unless he's more afraid of what's above ground than of the court martial. The stories are endless, all at Ellsworth. Mario and Michael didn't join that pattern by reading about it. They joined it together at 12:15 a.m. on duty.

• 1:43:34Speaker 02

  But the history of UFOs goes beyond this amazing 600-page book. There are thousands of documents, from 1945, the advent of nuclear weapons, in 1954, the first time a U-2 spy plane was ever built. So there were no high-altitude recon planes in existence at the time that discuss UFOs around nuclear bases all over the United States. No skeptic has ever been able to explain this away, and I don't think they'll ever be able to. Drones were invented decades later, and the documents come from every government agency, Army, Navy, CIA, FBI, and they definitely all didn't coordinate well with each other

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  at the time.

• 1:44:21Speaker 04

  What really got me was all those sites out there. Why November 5, the closest to a town, the closest to the launch control facility, and the least amount of travel time for all other nine missiles?

• 1:44:35Speaker 08

  I don't have no clue.

• 1:44:37Speaker 04

  They know, they know. That site's connected. I mean, what is their visual acuity of being able to see things under our ground? Electrical wires leading all the way back to November control, 50 feet below the ground? Could they see that? Sure they can.

• 1:44:50Speaker 08

  Nuclear, man, nuclear.

• 1:44:51Speaker 04

  You know, well, the nuclear is contained in the head of that missile, though. It's not all over the site.

• 1:44:57Speaker 08

  What is it, uranium, man? You know?

• 1:45:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:45:01Speaker 08

  Somebody wants something.

• 1:45:03Speaker 04

  They know it's there.

• 1:45:05Speaker 08

  That's why they're here.

• 1:45:06Speaker 04

  They know it's there.

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  Do you know of other cases on Ellsworth Air Force Base across the years? Two other cases?

• 1:45:11Speaker 04

  Two other cases.

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  What do you know about?

• 1:45:14Speaker 04

  Before we got there, there was another case in Wall, South Dakota, where two guys were, it was in the Echo area, responded to another site. And I was told this at a later time. And anyway, the two guys were somehow separated at the site itself, and one was found like a quarter mile away with very few clothes on, weapon and everything else not missing, but way away from him and not in his ultimate control. And the other guy was out of the vehicle, and he was a couple of hundred yards away

• 1:45:57Speaker 04

  from the vehicle, which was sitting outside of the facility itself, outside of the LF. And he too was like 90% naked. And it was extremely cold, and somehow somebody found him. I don't know if a backup alert team found him, but the story that I got was kind of broken.

• 1:46:18Speaker 02

  Who'd you hear the story from?

• 1:46:19Speaker 04

  From a guy that was out in the field, was talking about it.

• 1:46:22Speaker 08

  That's strange, too. I heard that, too.

• 1:46:24Speaker 04

  After--

• 1:46:25Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:46:26Speaker 04

  After our incident, because, you know, people ask, people heard about this stuff with us.

• 1:46:32Speaker 08

  I heard it.

• 1:46:33Speaker 04

  And people asked me about it in the field. I mean, when I went to Kilo Control, I mean, there was nothing but officers there and the flight chief and assistant flight chief and all visitors that came out to tour the facilities, they came to Kilo.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  They'd been separated and one of their clothes had been removed?

• 1:46:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, both of them. Both of them. Their vehicle was 200, 300 yards away, weapons were separated from them, they were, had little or no clothes on. And it's extremely cold, and it's not laying down in grass out there. That's some, you know, I don't know if you walked around Robert's place, but did you see the cactus on the ground there?

• 1:47:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:07Speaker 04

  Well, that's similar.

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  How common do you think this is?

• 1:47:12Speaker 04

  You know, I probably heard about four or five other cases, and not just in the missile field, but back at Ellsworth also, of objects coming down the runway, over the weapon storage area, WSA, or the uploaded aircraft on the alert pad, which at that time were B-52 bombers. And then when--

• 1:47:37Speaker 04

  Aircraft were scrambled to see what these things were. They just flew off in a distance and vanished. The jets would come back. And I think some of this was even in the late 50s.

• 1:47:52Speaker 04

  They would come back and they'd re-scramble the jets after again. They'd be playing hide and seek half the night.

• 1:47:57Speaker 07

  But I mean, one other thing, thought I had is if, you know, if this Eisenhower rumor that like there was a deal done in 1954 at Edwards Air Force Base and he was, you know, had this dentist appointment and he was in Palm Springs. But in fact, it was really a cover in order to do a deal with the aliens.

• 1:48:14Speaker 04

  Just get away.

• 1:48:14Speaker 07

  In order for them to, you know, basically have access to the American population as far as medical experimentation. Where would you want to limit the medical experimentation to? It would probably be these nuclear sites. You'd probably want to confine a lot of the medical experimentation to where you already have the most kind of ironclad secrecy set up, all of these protocols.

• 1:48:36Speaker 04

  That's a good way to think about it.

• 1:48:37Speaker 07

  And so I wonder if like, you're like, yeah, you can, you know, abduct people in our population, but like, you know, most of them have to be, you know, in these sites.

• 1:48:45Speaker 04

  Be military or be something in conjunction with those sites. Is that what you mean?

• 1:48:49Speaker 07

  Yeah. And then Air Force Office of Special Investigations has like more of a sense that they can rapidly respond.

• 1:48:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:48:55Speaker 07

  Because they know, you know, okay, there's something going on at these nuclear sites where we're already, we're already like, we have our, our kind of apparatus set up.

• 1:49:03Speaker 04

  Somebody told me long ago about that very thing that, that these visitors already had a place picked out where they wanted to reside or be able to be here on this planet. And of course it was under a mountain range and it was Dulce.

• 1:49:24Speaker 07

  That's fast.

• 1:49:24Speaker 04

  I didn't even know the name then. I'd never heard of it.

• 1:49:27Speaker 07

  Yeah. Does, have you ever seen, let me show you a picture of a guy and then I want to see if he looks familiar to you. I don't want to give you the name. I just want to see if the face looks familiar. Hold on. Does this guy look familiar at all? Like a younger version of him?

• 1:49:49Speaker 08

  Simple, calm, talking and everything. He was very calm, talking. The one I'm looking at, he was very calm, talking, very smart. I see, I, I can't picture him, but I see, I see a guy like him. That is, like you said, younger version, younger version, had glasses on, but you know.

• 1:50:08Speaker 07

  Show them Rick Doty.

• 1:50:09Speaker 04

  Good job.

• 1:50:10Speaker 02

  There's one thing that rings true across all of these cases. The Air Force Office of Special Investigations, OSI, always shows up. They swear the witness to secrecy, sometimes threatening them into silence. But Mario's debrief involved perhaps the most infamous Air Force Office of Special Investigations agent of all time. Rick Doty. For 37 years, Mario didn't know it. The junior OSI agent at his Ellsworth debrief was just a face. Until 2014, when that exact face showed up in his living room and Mario shouted at the TV. I know that guy. The name on the screen was Richard Doty.

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  If you don't know that name, here's what four decades of reporting has established. Richard Doty spent the early 1980s as a special agent stationed at Kirtland Air Force Base, running disinformation against UFO researchers. That's not an accusation. It's his own admission, backed both by documents released under the Freedom of Information Act and a great book called Project Beta by Greg Bishop. Bishop documents the infamous case of Paul Benowitz, an Albuquerque-based engineer and businessman who thought he detected something anomalous flying over the base. And instead of being given a simple slap on the wrist, he was fed fabrications about

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  local quote unquote alien bases in nearby Dulce, New Mexico. He was given forged documents and invented programs until he basically unraveled right into a psychiatric hospital. At one point, he was even given a computer that he was told could decode alien signals, a challenge and duty he became obsessed with. He was delivered occasional true fragments braided with lies, all to protect what were probably real classified programs he had been snooping on while living across the street from Kirtland. The whole unfortunate saga is chronicled beautifully by Bishop and it made Doty the most radioactive name in this subject.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  The government's UFO man and the reason you can't trust the government on UFOs. At some point, the government's strategy on UFOs moved from be silent about what you saw or else to, oh yeah, you saw an alien. In fact, there are 16 races of aliens from four different star systems and you happen to meet the lizard people from Kepler 186. In other words, it moved from a categorical non-admission of anything to a promotion of everything. Flood the zone with nonsense. Understanding truth involves finding a signal in the noise. To divert from the truth, then you can try to stamp out the signal, but that can be hard.

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  Sometimes it's easier to just increase the noise.

• 1:53:07Speaker 09

  State your name. I'm Michael, Michael Johnson. That's right. And nothing happened last night, did it? Nothing happened.

• 1:53:15Speaker 02

  Now look at what was done with Mario's case in 1977 at Ellsworth. Literally a fake incident was created in 1977 in November to discredit Mario and Michael's experience. The event is known as the November 1977 Site L9 Incident. There's even a famous supposed Air Force document claiming that on November 16th, 1977, a day before Mario and Michael's real experience, at Site L9 Minuteman Missile Field, north of Ellsworth, aliens shot at Air Force security with a beam weapon at a launch facility. That's right.

• 1:53:56Speaker 02

  This document says that aliens supposedly attacked a nuclear site. The Air Force document reads like a security log. At 8:59 PM on November 16th, 1977, an outer zone alarm goes off at L9 and a two-man security alert team, just like Michael and Mario, A1C Jenkins and A1C Reiki, is dispatched. On arrival, they see a bright light shining vertically from behind the fence. Again, kind of similar to Michael and Mario. Reiki goes to investigate and encounters an alien looking figure in a glowing green metallic uniform with a helmet and a visor.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  The beam then aims some unknown weapon that disintegrates Reiki's M16 and burns his hands. Jenkins then sees two figures, fires two rounds at them and watches them board a saucer about 20 feet in diameter that glows green, climbs vertically and vanishes to the east. The document escalates from there. Nuclear components missing from a warhead, Reiki hospitalized and his rifle never found. Written on a supposed Air Force letterhead, this document would be totally remarkable if it weren't totally fake, a documented hoax. There's no matching Air Force record for this document.

• 1:55:17Speaker 02

  A Freedom of Information Act claim that was never substantiated was the source of it. And misspellings like missile with no second I. And launch, but spelled with no U, so it's spelled like lanch. Strategic is spelled both as strategic and strategic. Also, just look at the second page of that document. Four names, four social security numbers. Airman Reiki's number ends in 7556. Sergeant Stewart's number also ends in 7556. Investigator Brad Sparks showed the radiation figures were physically wrong for the actual survey meters and the calm news report tone didn't exactly match what you'd expect from

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  an official document describing missing nuclear warhead components. These are errors no Air Force typist would ever make in a classified missile security report. No airman ever came forward, no hospital record ever surfaced. This is literally pure BS. But why would such a story like this get fabricated? Well, it's probably not a coincidence that this story is about a two-man team, just like Michael and Mario, getting attacked by aliens in November of 1977, just a day before their actual event occurred. But it gets even crazier.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  The trail on this fake document leads back to none other than Richard C. Doty. According to well-respected physicist and UFO researcher Bruce Maccabee, researcher Bill Moore acknowledged that Doty confessed to forging the Ellsworth document, the entire L9 incident made up by Doty. The same special agent with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, who has publicly described being tasked with hoaxing the documents that psychologically destroyed Albuquerque businessman Paul Benowitz. The same Rick Doty who now himself admits to being present at Mario Woods's debrief.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  So I'll let you be the judge, but it kind of seems like Rick Doty might have been in training for Air Force counterintelligence during Mario's debrief, a role he officially started a year later. But maybe this was his first disinfo job.

• 1:57:44Speaker 02

  Pretty crazy, but it's also intelligence at its finest. It's an age-old tactic. Surround the truth with a bodyguard of lies. Create slightly modified versions of the truth that are provably false. So that anyone who finds and publicly promotes the truth is considered crazy. You're essentially inoculating the public against the truth. Ensuring that they never look into a topic again by pre-stigmatizing it. So I think it's a reasonable conclusion that Doty ingested the details of Mario and Michael's abduction and crafted a false but very similar story to ensure that no one would ever take it seriously again.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  Of course, ultimately, we'll always be left speculating, and we won't have a smoking gun. But if you aren't already sure, then take this fact. Doty actually did a podcast with Mario, where he tried to double down on the story. And then he tried to cover his tracks by saying some of the details were mistaken.

• 1:58:45Speaker 04

  He was so covered by the guys that did the podcast that it was very difficult to get a straight answer out of any three of them. And it was really quite frustrating.

• 1:58:59Speaker 02

  I'll let you go find that footage. It's available to anyone who searches. But unfortunately, this all means that Mario's skin samples, and probably both Michael and Mario's files, passed through the hands of a man who 18 months later would begin one of the longest-running deception campaigns in the history of this subject.

• 1:59:22Speaker 02

  For a long time, you had been saying that Jack Reed was the officer in charge in your case.

• 1:59:26Speaker 04

  I'm not Kate.

• 1:59:27Speaker 02

  And then you bring it up to Doty, and he was just very casually admitted that that was the case.

• 1:59:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:59:33Speaker 02

  That's fascinating.

• 1:59:33Speaker 04

  And he acted at the very beginning like he didn't know Michael's name. And I said, well, I asked him, I said, what do you mean you don't know his name? You knew my name, why would you not know Michael's name? Because he tried to, he just kind of, he just tried to shove it off a little bit, and I just nailed him on it.

• 1:59:52Speaker 02

  This show literally never comes after people gratuitously. And I don't want to hammer on Doty. But if I had one message to him, I would implore him now. If he is, in fact, continuing any of his flood-the-zone strategy with aliens and UFOs, just lay off, dude. Leave 70-year-old Mario alone. He's clearly gone through enough, and the American people deserve better, too. So I hope for all of our sake and his that Doty, if he had any involvement with that fake 1977 Ellsworth alien attack document, if he could just come forward and come clean, just as he did with the stories he fed Paul Benowitz. Again, Mario and Michael don't need that validation,

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  but it would at least be a sign of respect and the best way to repent.

• 2:00:41Speaker 02

  Michael, how do you feel now that you know that in society, the frame is actually flipping, where before, maybe it was this shameful thing that you had to kind of shove in the trunk and not talk about? And now, it's celebrated and seen as a really unique kind of inquiry and foray into the nature of reality, who human beings are, which we're just kind of starting to get to the bottom of. But it's being accepted at the highest levels. The president is now talking about it. You know, the Pentagon is looking into this officially. It's no longer this stigmatized thing. How do you feel about that?

• 2:01:16Speaker 08

  Just disappointed. Because it was there, here, when I saw it, it was there. Little boy seen it. And now, oh, the government, now they want to talk about it now. You know, the files are open now for this. People have been seeing this for the longest time. I have seen strange occurrences in Missouri, in the Ozarks, Texas, Air Force. I seen it. Now they want to make it sound like it's normal thing now. No, it wasn't normal when we saw it, but now you want to make it normal. I feel a little disgusted. But I accept it, but I feel disgusted though by it all. I really do, because we've been saying people had died saying that what they had seen. People passed away, great-grandmothers, our forefathers, seen this.

• 2:02:01Speaker 08

  Hell, it'd been back in slavery, Civil War days. Strange things happening.

• 2:02:06Speaker 04

  Sure did, Vietnam.

• 2:02:08Speaker 08

  Okay.

• 2:02:08Speaker 04

  Foo fighters through all those wars.

• 2:02:10Speaker 08

  Yeah, you think you're shooting somebody, you ain't shooting nothing. Pushing a fire out there. Guy in Vietnam told me that, you know what I'm saying? It's spook. I'm sorry.

• 2:02:19Speaker 02

  No, don't apologize. I think you're right.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  He kept a 50-year-old order to keep his experience a secret, out of habit and shame, long after the Air Force forgot he existed. And Mario, Mario kept it for a different reason. After the service, he went to the Department of Energy, Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, a queue clearance, reinvestigated every 18 months. One word about his firsthand sighting of beams and beings, and that career quickly grinds to a halt.

• 2:02:55Speaker 04

  I had to repress this because my first clearance took over eight months to obtain, which I couldn't quite understand because I never had any infractions or anything like that with the law. When I was discharged, I was discharged under honorable conditions. And went directly to work for the US Department of Energy. And after that first clearance, it wasn't four months later, they were doing another clearance on me, a recheck. So when they do that, then, you know, it's just not a one-on-one thing because the Office of Personnel and Management does these clearance checks. So they research everything back about 17, 18 years.

• 2:03:38Speaker 04

  And they'll pull up your second and third grade school teachers if they can find them, it's their line. They're trying to set, they're trying to get like averages, and they can see what kind of person is somebody that comes from a young age. That's how they can kind of gauge things. I mean, I really believe that. I have a lot of faith in them. And just four months after my original clearance, after all the guys kept looking at me like, what the hell's taking you so long? What did you do? It puts that guilt trip on you. You know, I once had a guy at DOE tell me, you know, talking about, because anytime I could talk to some of these people about some of these things, I would.

• 2:04:18Speaker 04

  And these people are, basically, they'll say anything for a little bit of attention. They'll talk to you because nobody really talks to them. There's no clocks, there's no windows in their laboratories.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  Have you ever had any conversations with any of those people that lead you to believe that we have UFOs and hangars?

• 2:04:37Speaker 04

  Well, we have, we have technology. They'd ever said full craft on alien being or anything like that. But I was always interested in what do we have? Well, I had one guy just say, well, I can, their propulsion systems are not built, they're grown.

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  What?

• 2:04:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Propulsion system is not built, it's grown.

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• 2:07:28Speaker 04

  I was always interested in what do we have? Well, I had one guy just say, well, I can, their propulsion systems are not built, they're grown.

• 2:07:38Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:07:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. Propulsion system is not built, it's grown.

• 2:07:43Speaker 02

  Like a biological material or something?

• 2:07:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's grown. That's what he told me.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  And then did you say, what does that mean?

• 2:07:49Speaker 04

  Of course I did. Well, I can't go into that, but I'm just telling you, they're not built as we assemble an engine or a V8 engine. These are, they're grown.

• 2:07:57Speaker 02

  And who was this? Like, high-level description?

• 2:08:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. Somebody that had the capability of running a control room at Los Alamos for a burst of an element.

• 2:08:11Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 2:08:11Speaker 04

  That was in charge of that.

• 2:08:13Speaker 02

  Whoa. When you say a burst of an element?

• 2:08:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, of a Merciem. I think that's element, is it 95?

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:08:21Speaker 04

  I think it's 95.

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  And when you say a burst of an element?

• 2:08:24Speaker 04

  When they put it into a

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  A reactor?

• 2:08:26Speaker 04

  Put it into a reactor, and they subject it to alpha, beta, gamma, and they

• 2:08:34Speaker 02

  Look for a different isotope?

• 2:08:35Speaker 04

  They burst it like it would be like a mini blast, but it's contained, it's just granular at this point. And then they can scale up, you know, for whatever else it's intended to do.

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  Did he say anything else?

• 2:08:48Speaker 04

  Metal surfaces were, could be manipulated to like, put things through, in or out.

• 2:09:01Speaker 04

  And whatever, whatever that means.

• 2:09:03Speaker 07

  What does that mean? Metal surfaces?

• 2:09:04Speaker 04

  Metal surfaces or surfaces that can be penetrated or exited from or entered into. Like pass through a wall.

• 2:09:13Speaker 07

  Like solid objects, not metal. Yeah, solid objects.

• 2:09:16Speaker 04

  Solid objects.

• 2:09:17Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. I mean, that, that seems to be like what you see them do. Materialize, dematerialize it well, and then pass through solid objects.

• 2:09:23Speaker 04

  It all has to be frequency and sound and they're, they're studying the hell out of that right now.

• 2:09:27Speaker 07

  Well, if you were also, you had like perfect macroscopic, you know, quantum coherence, then you could theoretically like pass through a wall or something.

• 2:09:35Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 2:09:36Speaker 08

  At nighttime, I do see, but nobody never listened to me. I did see lights out, you know, out there around the nuclear sites and everything. I said, there ain't no Huey helicopter. That's no Black Hawk. That's, that's not even a B-52. You know, it goes up, we got, go down. So I just started maybe just, I just saw there's some reflection of lights.

• 2:09:54Speaker 07

  So you, so you saw other UFOs at Ellsworth Air Force Base before your experience?

• 2:09:59Speaker 08

  Yeah, I did. But who I'm gonna tell it to? Nobody gonna believe me. You know what I'm saying? And I just said, well, you know, even on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, you know, I saw one, I saw two, two on Pine Ridge.

• 2:10:12Speaker 02

  Now it's time for an update because since we've filmed this, Michael has recovered all sorts of other crazy memories. He's piecing things together at a rapid pace. And some of these new fragments are remarkable. He told us that in the weeks before that November night, cattle had been turning up dead around the missile field. These cattle were not killed by predators. Often their eyes were missing. Sometimes their tongue would be missing. One of them was split in half. In certain cases, they were bloodless, marked with precise incisions. Your classic cattle mutilations. Cattle mutilations were a real documented problem across the northern plains in the seventies.

• 2:10:56Speaker 02

  Sheriff's investigated, states did, the FBI eventually did too. Nobody ever explained them. And when Michael photographed one of these mutilations, his camera was confiscated. Make of that what you will.

• 2:11:12Speaker 07

  All of these nuclear sites are also on sacred Native American lands. And so there's something about, it's like the skinwalker thing and, and, you know, Lakota land in Ellsworth, this case.

• 2:11:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:11:25Speaker 07

  But all of these sites are, are on.

• 2:11:27Speaker 04

  Colorado, yeah. Effie Warren, Cheyenne, Wyoming.

• 2:11:30Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:11:30Speaker 04

  Cheyenne, Wyoming, yeah.

• 2:11:31Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:32Speaker 07

  So what's that about?

• 2:11:36Speaker 02

  There's one part of this story we haven't turned the page on yet, the land itself. Ellsworth, as with many American nuclear sites, is placed on some of the most sacred Native American land in existence.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  A bit of history. American Indian lands are estimated to hold as much as 50% of potential US uranium reserves. In fact, Edgemont, South Dakota, at the southwestern edge of the Black Hills, about 80 miles from Ellsworth, was one of the earliest uranium boom towns during the Cold War. So Ellsworth is in close proximity to enriched uranium, making it a great candidate for storing nuclear warheads. But it wasn't so convenient for everybody. 150 Minuteman silos were sunk into land that was guaranteed to the Great Sioux Nation by the 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty. A case that was apparently so egregious

• 2:12:38Speaker 02

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  In fact, the Lakota Sioux people have refused compensation for the territory over 40 years because taking it would accept the premise that they gave up the Black Hills in the first place. They call the territory Hay Sapa Paha Sapa, which translates directly to the heart of everything that is. Not a name that you'd call anything that you'd part with lightly. In Lakota cosmology, the hills are specifically a sky place, a star map where ceremonial sites on the ground mirror the constellations above. Where the thunder beings arrive at Bear Butte in storm and lightning

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  to deliver terrifying transformative visions. Where fallen stars descended from the sky world. And where the seven girls rose from Bear Lodge to become Pleiades. The American government, in other words, took the region its peoples understood as the hinge between the earth and the sky and planted the apocalypse in it.

• 2:14:19Speaker 02

  And farther southwest was the Navajo Nation, a people also deeply connected to the cosmos in their traditions and teachings. They also inhabited land rich in uranium that would later be mined to build the nuclear warheads at Ellsworth. Their most important tradition, the Navajo Night Chant, a sacred nine-day winter healing ceremony centered on restoring balance, health, and harmony. Remember this Navajo Night Chant because it'll come up again in this video.

• 2:14:54Speaker 04

  Hadn't seen Close Encounters yet either. That was, that was the next thing afterwards. A couple of weeks later, went to see Close Encounters.

• 2:15:00Speaker 07

  Well, aren't the similarities with Close Encounters just wild with your guys' experience? Because you see the, the car gets sucked up onto the craft, right?

• 2:15:09Speaker 04

  Well, you know, I saw the, the part where he pulls up to the mailboxes, puts the flat, puts the flashlight in his mouth, Roy and Erie? And the mailboxes start rocking. Of course, that's Hollywood, you know, but it, you know, 77, they got curiosity of a great deal. And then that light hit him. And then it seemed as if everything inside the truck started moving. It reminded me of us. Everything started like being pulled up or like there was no gravity in there or something. And then the, uh, he seems to be, uh... You hear these low pitch hums in the movie. You can see it today. And then you see him, he's kind of, he's kind of,

• 2:15:51Speaker 04

  it's as if somebody's programming him or sending him something that he is either downloading or under, well, it is a download, understanding of something different. Doesn't know what it is. And then all of a sudden it just goes out, that blackness. And then it reappeared at the intersection. Am I correct? Okay. That part right there, I didn't watch it to the intersection then at all. I got up and took, I took out of the theater. I had to, I just ran out and sat on the curb on, on Main Street right there. Right there in front of the theater. My wife came out a few minutes later. She says, what is wrong? I said, I can't watch that part. I feel like they're, I'm, I feel like they're portraying my life in there on that screen. That's what I said.

• 2:16:34Speaker 07

  Richard Dreyfuss also receives a sunburn in the movie.

• 2:16:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:16:38Speaker 07

  And you guys both received burns and samples were taken of your burns.

• 2:16:43Speaker 04

  Correct. Correct. I didn't know if they had on Michael or not. I didn't, I didn't know.

• 2:16:47Speaker 07

  And a sunburn is basically just UV damage. And so

• 2:16:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:16:50Speaker 07

  if you think about, you know, red shifts and blue shifts, you know, kind of stretching and crunching light, which is what these crafts would do if they're flying in the ways we think they fly. And that's what they would cause. They would cause, you know, air radiation.

• 2:17:08Speaker 04

  Said, because he's here. And they didn't say, didn't say my name, didn't say his name, just said, because he's here. That was exactly what was said.

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  If anything, this Spielberg coincidence makes me think we're living in some bizarre simulation. Close Encounters comes out the same week Mario has his experience. And now, in the midst of reconnecting with his long-lost partner, Spielberg decides to release Disclosure Day about two experiencers abducted together in childhood but separated for decades. They reconnect through synchronicities and experience a hypnotic regression together, unlocking the truth about their past. Sometimes the truth is truly stranger than fiction. The bizarre synchronicities don't stop there.

• 2:18:01Speaker 02

  1977 generally was also just an explosive year for alien contact. Just listen to all these firsts. In August, a radio telescope in Ohio caught the WOW signal, a strong, narrowband, 72-second signal out of the Sagittarius constellation. Nothing like it before or since. Possibly an extraterrestrial broadcast and one that's sitting unexplained to this day. And that same month, almost as if whoever sent the WOW signal knew this was about to happen, Voyager 2 left Earth, followed 16 days later by Voyager 1.

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Two robotic explorers sent towards the outer planets and eventually interstellar space to act as humanity's message in a bottle. As the Secretary General of the United Nations, I send greetings on behalf of the people of our planet. Each spacecraft carried what was known as a golden record, containing the sights and sounds of Planet Earth. A mother's soothing voice. A whale song. The composer Bach. Greetings in 55 different languages.

• 2:19:28Speaker 02

  A family portrait, Monument Valley. And, you guessed it, the Navajo Night Chant. Humanity's own attempt at first contact. A record pressed with a prayer for harmony.

• 2:19:50Speaker 07

  In fact, this year, 2026, on November 18th at 3:16 a.m. Mountain Time, exactly 49 years from the time Mario and Michael were blacked out aboard a spacecraft, Voyager 1 will be exactly one full light day away from Earth. You couldn't write that up. The first interstellar probe ever sent out by humanity to make contact with an ET civilization breaks this huge milestone 49 years to the hour of Mario and Michael's experience. And just months after their reconnection. Humanity has spent those 49 years waiting patiently for a reply,

• 2:20:33Speaker 07

  listening for another narrow band hit, maybe from Sagittarius. Mario spent those 49 years waiting on a reply from a partner that had vanished. But maybe the lesson here is that contact isn't still crossing the darkness toward us through space. It's already here. And in 1977, it was looking down into our missile silos, transfixed by our dual nature of good and evil, of love and fear. Michael, if you had a best guess, what do you think the beings that you and Mario encountered in 1977 were?

• 2:21:10Speaker 08

  Well, I think it was, I think it were.

• 2:21:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, where they, where are they from? Who are they? If you had to guess.

• 2:21:16Speaker 08

  I just guess they'd been here before on this earth. They back for a visit. I, I, I really feel that. I feel that there have been people here before us. Strange beings and stuff. They don't have to be in the same form we are in, you know what I'm saying? They have been the same form, but I do believe that there had been life here before us and everything. And it's still here right now among us.

• 2:21:40Speaker 07

  What about family history or when you were a kid? Because we know with, with Mario, he, he actually saw something with his mom. And it's usually a common thing with experiencers that you, you check their childhood enough, you check their family history and you'll, and you'll see something come up.

• 2:21:54Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:21:54Speaker 07

  Do you have anything like that?

• 2:21:55Speaker 08

  Oh, I had strange thoughts, strange sightings, but uh, my father, I know my father, my mother, my sister, my brother was interested, you know? Was that interested in everything? I would sit out there in St. Louis, I'm from St. Louis. Okay. If you know St. Louis in Missouri and all that, I would be out there at night at the park, O'Fallon Park, sitting on the bench. Young, young guy. If I know, if I knew what would happen to these young boys then, when they would got out there. You know, but I was out there because everybody used to pick on me, you know, everything. I didn't have nobody, so I would go out there and relax and look at the interstate. I always loved Travis. He didn't stay seven, going this way, going that way.

• 2:22:37Speaker 07

  Why would they pick on you?

• 2:22:39Speaker 08

  Uh, because I was different, because I was smart and because I, you know, I had no big brother. Like they had big brothers and stuff like that, you know? I talked funny and everything and all that kind of thing. It's, it changed though. I guarantee you it changed. But in the meantime, that was my mom, my, my mother was responsible for that. But anyway, I was all sitting there and I was look up at the gateway arch. The gateway arch and everything. And I would see lights going by and everything. I would see lights going by. I said, now, if I see that, somebody got to see that on the interstate too. You know what I'm saying? And everything, you know? It go by, it come back this way. You know, this ain't the air show. This ain't the air show they had recently. This is something else, but I didn't pay attention to it. I just always, at the time, it was just something to just look at, you know what I'm saying?

• 2:23:23Speaker 08

  And this was about nine o'clock at night. I shouldn't be out there. I shouldn't be out there at that time of night. I shouldn't be out there, but I was because I got tired of being picked on, you know, and everything. And I wanted to just get away for a while and be myself.

• 2:23:38Speaker 07

  Mario is part Native American and he thinks that maybe part of some of his kind of extra sensitivity to this sort of stuff comes from his Cherokee heritage.

• 2:23:50Speaker 04

  Mayan.

• 2:23:50Speaker 07

  Mayan, sorry. It's Mayan heritage.

• 2:23:53Speaker 04

  It's okay.

• 2:23:54Speaker 07

  Do, do you have anything like that in your background?

• 2:23:57Speaker 08

  Well, my mom was Cherokee.

• 2:23:59Speaker 07

  Really?

• 2:24:00Speaker 04

  That's where you got it.

• 2:24:01Speaker 07

  Whoa.

• 2:24:02Speaker 08

  She was Cherokee.

• 2:24:02Speaker 07

  I must took Mario's background is Cherokee, but your mom is Cherokee.

• 2:24:07Speaker 08

  Her mother's Cherokee, my mom was Cherokee and everything.

• 2:24:10Speaker 07

  And Mario's, that is Honduras and that's the Mayan roots. Yeah.

• 2:24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24:14Speaker 07

  Mayan roots. Okay. And you, but so there's actually all sorts of like, you know, intelligence people are now coming out saying that Native American traditions are a big part of, you know, like, like having even that sort of, you know, lineage, ancestral lineage are part of, is part of a propensity or predisposition to like experiencing things.

• 2:24:35Speaker 08

  But that's, that's what gets me though, because I've always been fascinated with the Native Americans anyway. And I like going to Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. I would go out there.

• 2:24:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24:46Speaker 08

  And that's where I would see lights all the time, but I just say, because it's still so dark out there. Pine Ridge, you ever been to Pine Ridge? It's just awful. There's nothing out there.

• 2:24:54Speaker 04

  Or the Badlands.

• 2:24:55Speaker 08

  All the Badlands.

• 2:24:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24:56Speaker 08

  All the Badlands.

• 2:24:57Speaker 07

  But you felt at home there and you would see lights.

• 2:25:00Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 2:25:01Speaker 07

  You too.

• 2:25:02Speaker 08

  I wasn't scared. I wasn't scared.

• 2:25:04Speaker 07

  What about?

• 2:25:04Speaker 04

  I could go there today, leave here and go there today and go, I could go there and live.

• 2:25:09Speaker 07

  Do you ever see UFOs there or do you just felt kind of at home energetically there?

• 2:25:14Speaker 04

  Other than 77, I only saw one other thing in the Kilo area. And there was an object that it looked like an egg that went straight to the ground. And Mark Wade was my team leader. We were going to Kilo 10. And the reason we were going to Kilo 10 is because it had been snowed in. And we were, we would have to dig out the antennas so they could reset. But we didn't do it. We just, you just ran out of gas trying to, trying to.

• 2:25:39Speaker 07

  But you saw an object like an egg. Did it crash into the ground?

• 2:25:43Speaker 04

  And I just, no, I was, I saw it in the rearview mirror on the side, western mirror. As we were going away from, as we were going toward Kilo 10, I saw this, I just was looking and I see this thing in the side, in the big side mirror go, come down like that. And it was maybe, I don't know, 300, 400 yards behind us. And it was small and it came down and it was zigzagged and it just went down and went off.

• 2:26:07Speaker 07

  Whoa. What year was that?

• 2:26:09Speaker 04

  78.

• 2:26:11Speaker 07

  Michael, did your mother, who was Cherokee, ever experience anything sort of paranormal and see any UFOs?

• 2:26:18Speaker 08

  Well, I don't know if she, she ever saw anything per se, but she was deeply religious, you know? She was, she was religious and everything. And uh, that's why, that's, and that's why I was getting back with you about with the little boys out there on interstate. You know, she didn't like that, you know? She didn't like that. In fact, she joked with me, said, somebody will come down and snatch you like that.

• 2:26:39Speaker 04

  Come down and snatch you.

• 2:26:40Speaker 08

  Come down and snatch you.

• 2:26:42Speaker 07

  That's wild. It's like she knew that you were gonna get taken or something.

• 2:26:48Speaker 08

  You know, because she was very protective of me and everything. So I, you know.

• 2:26:52Speaker 04

  I know how that is.

• 2:26:53Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:26:54Speaker 07

  But the fact that she said, come down and snatch you shows that she has like a mental concept of the fact that that could even happen, which if you, you know, aren't familiar with any of these things, alien abductions or some of these traditions.

• 2:27:07Speaker 08

  You talk about, I never seen it like that. So you say, you come down. I just looked at her, you know, everything like that.

• 2:27:13Speaker 07

  Did you ever ask her? Did, hey, mom, did anything ever happen to you?

• 2:27:16Speaker 08

  No, but she, she said there was, they've been out there. We're not alone. She did say that we are not alone out here. And she's, she's from Texas, East Texas and raised, raised there and everything. And she, she told me she seen things that, you know, you wouldn't think would exist, when they exist.

• 2:27:35Speaker 04

  My mother was taking me to my first grade school, which was D Queen Elementary. And uh, we were about the fifth, there was a seventh car back in line. And I'm on the passenger side in the, in the front seat, no seatbelt. We didn't do that back then. My sister was in the backseat, of course, my mother's driving, and she stopped short of the car in front of her. And she says, look, Anthony, look at those flying saucers. When's the last time your mother ever said something like that to you? I mean, I'm just six years old, five and a half, six years old. And I, I just couldn't even fathom what she said. And they were right over a church. Just maybe 25 to 50 feet in the air. There were three of them. They were beautiful.

• 2:28:20Speaker 04

  When I saw those three saucers in Port Arthur, Texas, that morning, my mother was taking me to a school and my sister was sitting behind her in the car. You know, my, my first thoughts when I, when I said, where are they, mom? She said, right here. And she pointed up at them. And I go, oh my, I said, oh my, like that. I said, look at that. And then my sister, she said, I'm scared, mom. And she said, there's, they're not here to hurt you. No reason to be afraid. And she said, they're not here to harm you. And my sister didn't say anything back then as, as the door was opening. But when I stood out and got the full gravity of what I was looking at, it was never a more right moment.

• 2:29:04Speaker 04

  They were supposed to be there. It was like, it was like, um.

• 2:29:11Speaker 04

  It was almost as if more than I could describe, a greater power, be it God, be it angels, be it civilization. They were like checking on us. That's the way I felt like it was right as rain. I felt no fear whatsoever at all. And they were the most beautiful craft I've ever seen in my life. They were absolutely gorgeous and exactly alike, all three of them. And they just sat there hovering. And when I felt how comfortable I was with them, that's when I turned and looked and saw everything out there in the playground to

• 2:29:55Speaker 04

  the people hanging out of the windows of the one building school from first grade to 12th grade with, you know, everybody's pointing their fingers in the air like that, looking at them, everybody. And it was as quiet as it could be. And when those things went, they just went. And they were, I mean, I watched them go all the way up, just like that vent right there until they were just like that and never gone. They were in space in seconds.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  Do you think the UFO you saw in 61 and the beings that both of you encountered in 77 were aware that you would reunite 50 years later?

• 2:30:28Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a great question.

• 2:30:31Speaker 08

  Wow, that's a blow my mind.

• 2:30:32Speaker 04

  I've never thought about that.

• 2:30:33Speaker 08

  That's a blow my mind question right there. That's a blow my mind question right there. Are we keen to them? Are we related to them or something, some form, you know? Because I believe back in, I believe back in the days of the Egyptians have had some kind of secret codes and everything with the pyramids and everything. That always fascinated me. How, who made it? How was formed? What aliens been here before? This, I seen monuments, I seen questions. How did stone got here in England, them stones? Who did this? You know what I'm saying? Intelligence form? I'm not sure. But I always did read about things like that. I read subjects like that though, because it fascinated me. You see certain

• 2:31:15Speaker 08

  things that been here for centuries, centuries, for man, before Jesus, they say was here, you know? Somebody was here before Jesus.

• 2:31:23Speaker 04

  It's all throughout the Bible.

• 2:31:25Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:31:26Speaker 02

  You texted me.

• 2:31:27Speaker 04

  All of them, Quran, all of them, it's in there.

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  You know that Mario was kind of imbued with a newfound interest in wonders of the world, but specifically the Egyptian pyramids, which he bonded with Amar about after that experience. So he was changed in a way that gave him more interest in those sorts of things.

• 2:31:46Speaker 04

  I had to find out everything about archaeology and pyramids.

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  Hmm. And so that was just something that it almost felt like it was installed inside of you or downloaded.

• 2:31:55Speaker 04

  Yes. You know, guys made fun of me in the missile field because I'd sit at the dining room tables in the day room. I'd draw a pyramid. I'd put a weird top on it and little sparks coming out of it. Now I call that an Atlantean pyramid.

• 2:32:09Speaker 02

  Michael, you've had other strange experiences happen to you since that 1977 experience, right?

• 2:32:17Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:18Speaker 02

  What else has happened?

• 2:32:19Speaker 08

  Well, you know, like I say, I finally got a job driving trucks and stuff, you know, and everything. And, oh, and I liked the Southwest anyway. I liked the Southwest. And I was having a load.

• 2:32:31Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 2:32:32Speaker 08

  Have a load going to El Paso, to El Paso and everything. And I picked up a load from El Paso, going back on 20, going back to Dallas, Fort Worth, everything like that. And I don't know how I got side routed. I don't know how I got side routed and everything to where I was driving. This ain't the interstate, you know what I'm saying? Not the interstate. I got off, I guess to a truck stop. I guess I took a wrong turn. I did get off at a truck stop. I must've took the wrong turn. I thought it was taking me back to the interstate, but it kept taking me deeper and deeper, further, further into where nowhere I knew I was going. And I was driving, driving, trying to hurry up and get out of there because

• 2:33:14Speaker 08

  it was dark, deserted, dirt. So I was just driving. And then I saw some come across me, in front of me, come across me. And I'm driving and looking around, I saw him come across me. I said, damn, what was that?

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  Like a UFO?

• 2:33:31Speaker 08

  Yeah. Just came across me. And I'm just like, okay, you know, because at that time I was saying, oh, hell, I'm gonna lose my job. I was really more worried about my job. And because the load gonna be late, going back to New York somewhere, go back to New York. Then, next thing I saw, like a police call, squad call, coming up behind me. Okay, the lights on. So I pulled over. Everything. He asked me where I was going. I told him I was going back to my destination with the truck. He looked at the truck and looked at me and said, you know, you know where you are. Like that. I said, I thought I was in Texas, you know? No, you're in Nevada.

• 2:34:10Speaker 04

  What the hell?

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:34:14Speaker 08

  And he was strange too. He was strange. He was strange looking too. He said, what you doing out here? Where you going? Like that to me. I says, something, I said, I did say something wrong? Yeah. You on government property. This area is off limits. Everybody, civilians, everybody. And that's, and then I remember saying, that's why I saw the signs out there, no trespass, no trespassing, you know, and everything.

• 2:34:43Speaker 02

  How many hours had passed since you made a wrong turn in Texas? Jesus.

• 2:34:48Speaker 08

  Two.

• 2:34:49Speaker 02

  And you, and that coincided with a UFO flying above your dashboard in the car?

• 2:34:55Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:34:56Speaker 02

  So it's almost like maybe a similar kind of missing time event as what happened to you in 1977 at Ellsworth?

• 2:35:03Speaker 08

  But I.

• 2:35:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:05Speaker 05

  That's a lot of missing, that's not it. Missing time there was like they wake up nine and a half miles away. This is, they wake up four hour flight away.

• 2:35:12Speaker 02

  And his son, his son thinks that maybe it was Area 51 where he was dropped off.

• 2:35:17Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 2:35:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:35:19Speaker 02

  That's.

• 2:35:20Speaker 08

  And then, and then, and then the cop, the police, he escorted me to get back to the main road and everything. And so I did, I got back on the main road and stuff like that. He told me, keep straight, just go on, you ain't supposed to be here.

• 2:35:34Speaker 04

  He sounded like a contractor.

• 2:35:36Speaker 08

  Yo, you stop, you stop again, you know, they might, they might, they might take you, they might take you away or whatever, you know? They might take me away, like that, you know? And that was it. I got back on the main road.

• 2:35:47Speaker 02

  And you said he looked funny. What?

• 2:35:49Speaker 08

  Yes, he did look funny.

• 2:35:50Speaker 02

  What did he look like?

• 2:35:51Speaker 08

  He was short. He was short. Face was puffy. He had a hat on, Deppy Dog kind of hat, like a Deppy Dog kind of hat from cartoons and stuff.

• 2:36:01Speaker 02

  Did you feel like maybe he was not fully human or?

• 2:36:06Speaker 08

  Yes. Because he, because he, the way he talked to me, I asked him questions the way he talked to me, like, slow, you know what I'm saying? Slow, talking back to me, no, you need to go back this way.

• 2:36:16Speaker 04

  He was gauging you.

• 2:36:18Speaker 08

  Okay. And I said, well, I need some directions and everything. I will help you. I will escort you back. You don't come back here no more. That's what he said, just like that. Don't come back here no more.

• 2:36:29Speaker 02

  Hmm. On the last day of our trip, we decided to rent a beautiful house for Michael and Mario by Lake Austin and just let them reminisce and chop it up and spend some quality time with each other.

• 2:36:45Speaker 08

  So now we get each other, we find each other now. It's over with now. How they say to death through your heart, you know?

• 2:36:51Speaker 04

  That's right. We know it now. I'm just glad they were only 230 miles apart, man. That's a trip.

• 2:36:59Speaker 02

  As the night got dark, we packed it up and went inside and decided to surprise Michael and Mario with all of the AI recreations we made of their experience from this episode.

• 2:37:11Speaker 03

  Michael, you see that glow? You see that?

• 2:37:15Speaker 12

  What?

• 2:37:23Speaker 02

  The worst thing that happened to these two men wasn't their abduction. It was the human factors around it. Nothing else happened? No one else was there? No, sir. Just me and Johnson. It was what happened afterwards. Their interrogators spent most of their time trying to explain away the experience to make Mario and Michael the problem rather than deal with the incident head on. The demotions, the overseas deployment, the decades of downplaying and denial. Two vetted, screened, armed, young men did exactly what the Air Force trained them to do. They responded, they observed, they reported. And the system's answer was to gaslight them, split them, spit one of them out, and to file them away.

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  To manufacture a stigma. And every veteran watching who ever swallowed a report because the truth would cost their career, this episode is yours too. Mario never got disclosure. The government never confirmed, and maybe never will, the essence of his story. But that's fine, because one recruiter with a laptop did what multiple government agencies failed to. Found his partner, the person he'd been asking for for the last 50 years, ever since being pulled out of that Ford pickup. And with that, he and Michael have something way better than disclosure. They have closure. Ordinary people crowdsourcing their own truth, because the sanctioned version never came.

• 2:38:51Speaker 02

  I can't believe it. Now they're reconnected. They're brothers for life. But like so many people who served, they're living paycheck to paycheck. And since they don't get paid to share their story, and they're both over 70 and still working blue collar jobs, Amar and I decided the best thing to do was to launch a GoFundMe page on their behalf. Link below. Whatever you give goes directly to Michael and Mario. This will serve as much needed money for their retirement. And if you wore the uniform at that base or any base like it, and you've been carrying your own November night, an experience that indicates we're not alone,

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  you just watched what 50 years of silence costs and what breaking it gives you back. You may look. The comments are open. Our email's in the description. It was all base.

• 2:39:57Speaker 02

  Pero una pregunta aún permanece.

• 2:40:01Speaker 02

  ¿Qué realmente pasó a Michael y Mario? ¿Quiénes eran estos seres y qué querían con ellos? Cuando se quitan todo, un intercambio de señales, al menos cinco horas perdidas, un camión en una aguasolitaria, polvo en un campo frío, una cirugía que un médico encontró primero, un gorro con la memoria de otro en un piso brillante, dibujos y recuerdos de la forma, tamaño y color del arte. Y tres palabras: “No temas”. Surfe en 1961 en una escuela en Texas, en 1977 en un camión muerto, en dos sesiones de hipnosis separadas, y finalmente, en una notificación de presión. También tenemos dos increíbles veteranos de corazón

• 2:40:45Speaker 02

  que no renunciarían a uno por otro, y ahora están reunidos debido a ello.

• 2:40:51Speaker 02

  Algo claramente pasó en Ellsworth, pero ¿qué exactamente fue? Quizás las únicas palabras recurrentes transmitidas por los seres son un indicio: “No temas”. “No temas, no temas”.

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  “No temas”.

• 2:41:03Speaker 02

  “No temas, no temas”.

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  Voltemos la historia. Digamos, hace 2,600 años.

• 2:41:14Speaker 02

  Un hombre llamado Daniel está sentado en el río Tigres cuando ve a un ser con una cara como una luz y ojos como torneles. Sus compañeros huyen. La fuerza de Daniel se desborda de él. Se colapsa primero con la cara en el suelo. Y las palabras primeras del ser a él son: “No tengas miedo, Daniel”. “No temas” es la cosa más cercana que los ángeles bíblicos tienen a una frase recurrente. Se dice a Zecharía en el templo, a María en la anuncianza, a los shepherds fuera de Bethlehem, a las mujeres en el cementerio vacío. Funcionalmente, es el protocolo angelico. Paso uno de cada Encuentro Cercano de la clase escritura.

• 2:42:00Speaker 02

  La gente moderna conoce a los ángeles como charpes amistosos que ves en tarjetas de Hallmark. Pero los ángeles bíblicos en realidad no son eso en absoluto. Son absolutamente aterradoros. Nunca es un Encuentro divertido. Es abrumador, cegador y aterrador en cuanto a la ontología. La razón por la que los ángeles dicen “No temas” es porque tienen que hacerlo. El experienciador casi siempre se despierta en miedo. Los visitantes de Ezequiel llegan como ruedas interligiantes cubiertas de ojos, encarnadas en fuego y tormenta. Daniel se deja trepando en sus manos y rodillas. Los testigos no se sienten cálidos y ruidosos. Se sienten aniquilados. El patrón siempre es la misma estructura de tres décadas: número uno, presencia abrumadora.

• 2:42:44Speaker 02

  El testigo está paralizado, aterrado, fisicamente desaparecido. Número dos, confianza. “No temas” entregado antes de que algo más pueda pasar. Número tres, el mensaje. La vida del testigo nunca es la misma después. Ahora, lea cualquier colección seria de reportes de abducción de alta estranchez: Michael y Mario en Ellsworth entre ellos, y encontrarás la misma gramática: parálisis, terror. Una comunicación, a menudo telepática, que conduce con calma. Testigos que pasan el resto de sus vidas atraídos, transformados, incapaces de volver completamente a la persona que eran. “Estuve aterrado todo el tiempo”. Jacques Vallée, el legendario astrófisico francés y padre de los dioses UFO

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  que Spielberg retrató en Encuentros Cercanos, pasó su carrera señalando exactamente esto. Su argumento en su gran libro “Pasaporte a Megonia” fue heretical para ambos creyentes y desalentadores. El fenómeno de los dioses UFO no es nuevo y no es necesariamente extraterrestre. Es el mismo fenómeno que la humanidad siempre ha encontrado: usando cualquier máscara que la cultura provea: a Europa medieval, ángeles y demonios; a los celticos, la gente buena, que también, incidentemente, abdujeron a la gente y distorsionaron su sentido del tiempo; a 1977, América. Un arte y seres en una base de misil. La tecnología del Encuentro actualiza. El escenario cambia. Pero la estructura del Encuentro:

• 2:44:12Speaker 02

  terror, confianza, mensaje, transformación, es antigua y raro estable. Lo que sea que este fenómeno sea, tiene una preferencia clara de tiempo y real. Estas cosas aparecen en momentos de pico de inestabilidad, o para salvar cosas que valen preservar o destruir cosas que se han vuelto irregulares y ahora valen descartar. El patrón bíblico de la depoyada angelica es exactamente eso. Los ángeles en la Biblia no están distribuidos de manera equitativa. Se agrupan en puntos de inflexión, momentos en los que las lineas de tiempo pueden cambiar drásticamente, donde la destrucción o la supervivencia de un pueblo está en la mesa. Dos ángeles caminan a Sodom la noche antes de que el fuego caiga. Un ángel se encuentra sobre Jerusalén

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  con una espada dibujada durante la plaga de David Sensus. El ángel del Señor se mueve a través del campamento asiriano la noche que se desplaza. Los ángeles son, entre otras cosas, los inspectores de la orden de la Biblia. Aparecen donde la aniquilación está pendiente, a veces para entregársela, a veces para despedirla. ¿Entonces, dónde esperarías que tal ser apareciera en el siglo XX? La humanidad pasó la mayor parte de su historia incapaz de destruirse. Luego, el 16 de julio de 1945, en una extensión del desierto de Nuevo México, Oppenheimer nombró Trinidad, y sienta con ese nombre por un segundo, el proyecto secular más secular en la historia humana, cristianizado después del dios triunfo. Su director, alcanzando las Gita Bhagavad, “Soy el de la muerte”,

• 2:45:41Speaker 02

  porque ningún idioma menor se ajusta.

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  Algunas personas se rieron.

• 2:45:48Speaker 13

  Algunas personas se rió. La mayoría estaba silenciosa.

• 2:45:55Speaker 13

  Recuerdo la línea de la Biblia hindú, la Bhagavad Gita: “Ahora soy el de la muerte, el destruidor de los mundos”.

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  Supongo que todos pensamos eso.

• 2:46:12Speaker 02

  Aprendimos la única capacidad que la Biblia siempre reservaba para el cielo: fuego desde los cielos, ciudades borradas en un instante. Esto fue un acto realmente prometiano. Si los observadores bíblicos eran reales y si su beat historical era: “Sé en los puntos de inflexión donde los mundos pueden terminar”, entonces las áreas de misil en Dakota del Sur, en Montana, no son un lugar extraño para encontrarlos en absoluto. Son el lugar obvio. Los profetas estaban en las puertas de las ciudades damnadas. El fenómeno se pone sobre los silos. El venue cambió porque las circunstancias lo hicieron. Pero debajo de ello, el mismo arquetipo. Finalmente, no sabemos qué vio Mario y Michael, y tampoco ellos. Visiter, observador, arquetipo, alieno, ángel, demonio...

• 2:46:57Speaker 02

  Cada descriptor se corta y contiene mucho bagaje. Jacques Vallée podría decir que este fue un Encuentro mitológico en los puntos de presión de la creencia y el poder de la creencia humana.

• 2:47:11Speaker 02

  Otros grandes investigadores de los dioses, como el legendario Stanton Friedman, dirían que estos seres probablemente extraterrestres. Pero la análisis metasociológico de Jacques, la overlay extraterrestre de Stanton Friedman y cualquier tipo de comparación bíblica son todo solo análisis. Estamos atrapados por nuestra incomodidad completa de describir experiencias trascendentes. El punto es, hay un patrón subyacente y ha estado pasando durante miles de años. Algo antiguo, percatado y resumió sus rondas en el momento en que construimos los nukes nosotros mismos. Y sus primeras palabras a dos aéreas trepando en la pradera de Dakota del Sur fueron las mismas palabras que se hablaron a un profeta trepando en los ríos de Tigres.

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  Históricamente, estos seres han hablado con el hombre a través de compleja numerología, signos, símbolos y sincronicidades. Un fenómeno que hemos experimentado bastante a lo largo de este viaje.

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  ¿Reconectaron en qué, en 6:26:26? Llegó en 1:11. Y Amar, que viene de la teoría de “Sí”, está despegando en 1:11. ¡Whoa, mira el 1:11! ¡Mira el 1:11! ¡Eso es loco! Estamos llevando a Michael en 2:22.

• 2:48:26Speaker 02

  Así que en ese sentido, quizás “No temas” indicó una conocencia adicional de la gloriosa reunión de Mario y Michael. Quizás esto siempre fue parte del plan del ser. Esto debería ser una inspiración para todos nosotros para que sepamos que todas las cosas son posibles con la gracia de Dios. Podríamos preocuparnos un poco menos porque quizás estamos siendo buscados. Que Dios bendiga a Mario y Michael. Les agradezco mucho por la coraje y vulnerabilidad que les tomó compartir su historia. También quiero agradecer a Amar, Yvonne y el equipo entero que ayudó. Mantiene tu mente, ojos y corazón abiertos. Soy Jesse Michaels y esto es American Alchemy.