Laird Hamilton: The Big Wave Surfer Who Built a +$10 Million Business Empire

Episode 485: Sam Parr (https://twitter.com/theSamParr) talks with Laird Hamilton (https://lairdhamilton.com) about his well-rounded approach to life, the story behind launching Laird Superfood, why he’s such a viscous competitor, what vices he’s struggled with in the past, his thoughts on Bryan Johnson’s longevity protocol, and much more. Want to see more MFM? Subscribe to the MFM YouTube channel here. — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com/ Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Try Shepherd Out - https://www.supportshepherd.com/ • Shaan's Personal Assistant System - http://shaanpuri.com/remoteassistant • Power Writing Course - https://maven.com/generalist/writing • Small Boy Newsletter: https://smallboy.co/ • Daily Newsletter - https://www.shaanpuri.com/ — Show Notes: (0:00) Intro (3:00) How Laird describes himself (5:30) How Laird got into entrepreneurship (10:20) Laird’s revenue streams (11:30) Reaction to Laird’s Superfood stock plummeting (21:15) Other business ideas Laird considered pursuing (29:00) Laird’s epic house & training regimen (36:15) Most impressive athlete Laird’s trained with (39:20) Being a viscous competitor (43:00) Laird’s vices (48:30) Thoughts on Bryan Johnson (54:15) Laird's relationship with technology (56:25) How Laird tracks his personal finances (1:03:40) Laird’s 2023 goals (1:06:45) Laird’s book recommendations (1:12:25) Why the world’s so soft right now — Links: • XPTLife - http://xptlife.com/ • Life After Life - https://tinyurl.com/35w8227v • Embrace Fearlessly the Burning World - https://tinyurl.com/yckeyysm • The Psychology of Totalitarianism - https://tinyurl.com/2mksfrds • The Trap - https://tinyurl.com/y77bsj53 • The Wager - https://tinyurl.com/pvu9drrb • The Heart of the Sea - • Undaunted Courage - https://tinyurl.com/ya6zkw6k • Do you love MFM and want to see Sam and Shaan's smiling faces? Subscribe to our Youtube channel. — Past guests on My First Million include Rob Dyrdek, Hasan Minhaj, Balaji Srinivasan, Jake Paul, Dr. Andrew Huberman, Gary Vee, Lance Armstrong, Sophia Amoruso, Ariel Helwani, Ramit Sethi, Stanley Druckenmiller, Peter Diamandis, Dharmesh Shah, Brian Halligan, Marc Lore, Jason Calacanis, Andrew Wilkinson, Julian Shapiro, Kat Cole, Codie Sanchez, Nader Al-Naji, Steph Smith, Trung Phan, Nick Huber, Anthony Pompliano, Ben Askren, Ramon Van Meer, Brianne Kimmel, Andrew Gazdecki, Scott Belsky, Moiz Ali, Dan Held, Elaine Zelby, Michael Saylor, Ryan Begelman, Jack Butcher, Reed Duchscher, Tai Lopez, Harley Finkelstein, Alexa von Tobel, Noah Kagan, Nick Bare, Greg Isenberg, James Altucher, Randy Hetrick and more. — Other episodes you might enjoy: • #224 Rob Dyrdek - How Tracking Every Second of His Life Took Rob Drydek from 0 to $405M in Exits • #209 Gary Vaynerchuk - Why NFTS Are the Future • #178 Balaji Srinivasan - Balaji on How to Fix the Media, Cloud Cities & Crypto • #169 - How One Man Started 5, Billion Dollar Companies, Dan Gilbert's Empire, & Talking With Warren Buffett • ​​​​#218 - Why You Should Take a Think Week Like Bill Gates • Dave Portnoy vs The World, Extreme Body Monitoring, The Future of Apparel Retail, "How Much is Anthony Pompliano Worth?", and More • How Mr Beast Got 100M Views in Less Than 4 Days, The $25M Chrome Extension, and More

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I used to use the guilt from drinking to make me feel motivated about training. So I'd be like, oh yeah, I could drink Pinot Noir, cup, you know, bottle, two bottle, three bottles. No problem. Eat dinner, go to sleep, wake up 5:00 AM, train like an animal. What's the problem? No problem. Where's the problem? I don't see a problem.

• 0:17Sam Parr?

  You could train hungover?

• 0:18Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, like an animal.

• 0:29Sam Parr?

  Yeah, man, we're live. We just, we get things going and I can kind of fill you in. You probably don't know anything about who we are, do you?

• 0:37Speaker 00

  No, but that's not unusual. I don't know much about anything, really.

• 0:42Sam Parr?

  Good. Hey, same. I mean, I, I've, I've, I've learned about you. I mean, I've, you're, I've, I've, this podcast is called My First Million. So basically I owned a fairly successful and big media company that I sold. And one of our products was this podcast and it's listened to by millions of people a month. And it's mostly a business podcast. I'm like a, I'm a health nut and a health nerd. I was a former college athlete. So I'm going to talk to you all about like Laird Superfood and some of your businesses and stuff like that. That's where we're going to spend most of the time. But the reason why I wanted to have you on was because we have people, we normally don't have guests. Normally it's my co-host Sean who's not here.

• 1:24Sam Parr?

  And someone was asking us like, who's your dream guest? And I was like, man, Laird Hamilton, that's who I want. And they were like, why? And I was like, he, I had my description as to why I liked you best. But you said it in another interview a while back. You said something like,

• 1:40Sam Parr?

  your life is like a wheel and like business is one spoke, health is another spoke, relationships is another one. And like, there's all these spokes and like, they all have to be nice in order to make this whole wheel work. And I was like, oh man, that describes best why I like you because you know, I like making money. I like being fit. I like having a lovely, lovely relationship with my wife. I like doing all this stuff. And so I'm pumped to talk to you. This is a, I'm normally never nervous to talk to anyone, but you're like one of the first, maybe you're, you and Andrew Huberman made me nervous to talk to you because like, I like, I admire you guys and I look up to you guys.

• 2:13Speaker 00

  Well, I appreciate that. I'm thankful for that.

• 2:17Sam Parr?

  I was talking to some friends, telling them how I'm pumped that you're coming on and most people know who you are. But then for the people who don't, I was, I was like, well, You know, he's done a lot of things. So I don't even know how to describe you. I was like, he started as like a surfer and then like a big wave surfer, then did some modeling. And I always told my friends, I'm like, he's a hunk. You probably recognize his face. He's a hunk. His face is all like, because you're you like represented this quintessential surfer. But then you evolved where you and your wife now are quite popular because you guys have this almost zen like attitude. And so a lot of people like, like me, I turn to you just to hear like, what's your advice on living? You've also started Laird Superfood. You have another fitness brand. What do you like? What would you say is

• 3:02Sam Parr?

  like, where are you now? And how do you kind of describe yourself in a sentence or two as to kind of your professional existence?

• 3:08Speaker 00

  I always, you know, because I because of Hawaii, the way we grew up, there was a lot of, you know, there's a, there's, I would say segregation, but I think there's a lot of just a lot of friction because you have all these different cultures. And I saw my favorite description is somebody goes, well, you know, like, where are you from or something? And I go, well, I'm a human from Earth. So I'm a human from Earth. And if you're something different, then when then we should probably sit down and have an incredible conversation. But otherwise, let's get past that and then get into like, you know, what are these other things that we do, you know? And I think it's, I think, none of us are what we do. We are,

• 3:47Speaker 00

  we are who we are. And then we do these other things. But I do, I do like, I mean, listen, I'm the water sports and, and, and fitness and, and, and health and wellness is, you know, I've kind of made a career out of that. And so I do like, I've been fortunate to do that. That's been a, been a beautiful thing. But I mean, I am concerned about, you know, being healthy and, and living a healthy lifestyle and, you know, being a good example for my children, being, you know, having a good relationship. I just, I just know, I feel best when I'm, when I'm, when I have all those things.

• 4:26Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I always knew you. I mean, I remember watching the doc, was it Riding Giants? And a few, and a few other movies with you in it. And that's how I knew of you. And then I learned about the Laird Superfood, the creamer. And I was like, oh, this is great. So I've been, I've been a customer for years. But I never would have paid you as like a business guy. I remember seeing you, maybe it was on some talk shows or something like that, where you had this like electric. Uh, golf caddy.

• 4:52Speaker 00

  Golf board.

• 4:53Sam Parr?

  Yeah, the golf board. That was, that was awesome. And I'm like, well, he's just like tinkering and inventing. And then I started looking at, then I saw, uh, Larry Superfoods go public. And I was like, and I remember reading the report. I was like, oh shit. Like we grew, I think when you went public, it was doing like something like 40 million a year in sales. And I think it went public at a $400 million market cap. And I was like, oh man, I never would have pictured this guy as like doing this stuff. What, um, what kind of, I, I know that it was you, you were just tinkering with these mixes and a buddy of you, a buddy of yours was like, all right, let's actually do this thing. But did you always kind of consider yourself interested in going into business? Or was that just, ah, what the hell? Let's just try it.

• 5:33Speaker 00

  No, I mean, listen, early in my career, uh, early in my career in surfing, I, I, I just, I looked at like, you know, where the money was, like, where's the money in surfing? And, and at the, at the time, it was in the apparel. Um, it was in the apparel business. And so I went at kind of, uh, I would say 18, 19, I got exposed to the apparel business. Went, used to work in downtown Los Angeles in a, in a, in a, a sweatshop, learning from a Korean guy that came to America with $38 in his pocket and had a $10 million sweatshop business making denim jeans and kind of learned the whole

• 6:17Speaker 00

  cut and sew garment business, uh, and real, you know, and, and got to expose to every aspect of it. Uh, you know, I, I think because of the, because I didn't ever really participate in the conventional, uh, aspect, you know, the tour of surfing, I was always kind of, you know, kind of rogue in the sense that I focused on big wave riding. I wanted to be a big, you know, I wanted to kind of, I thought that that for me was the, that was the thing I was intrigued by. That was the thing I was best suited for. Um, there wasn't a lot of ways to, there wasn't a platform, let's say for me as an athlete. It wasn't like, you know, NBA or NFL where you got this huge platform, you go play.

• 6:56Sam Parr?

  Your wife was, was volleyball. So like you guys were both like, you're both like giants in, in small fields, which I, I always, I'm like, dude, that's crazy. They turned not even just surfing, but big wave surfing, which is still cool, but it's tiny.

• 7:08Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:08Sam Parr?

  Volleyball. And I'm like, I know both of them. I knew, I knew you both individually.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, we had, and I think that forced us to be more creative and, you know, and do what we had to do. I always say subsidize it, you know, like, uh, normally, you know, you subsidize your surfing with maybe some excavation work or something, you know, you do some other, you do another job, surfers go work at restaurants, they, I mean, they do whatever they can so they could be in the ocean.

• 7:31Sam Parr?

  Like Arnold Schwarzenegger, laying bricks.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Exactly, exactly. So you just do whatever you do to subsidize your, your love, but, uh, and if you can kind of take both of them, you know, if you can turn your work in, you know, your, or your passion into your work, that's a beautiful thing. But we've had to be creative. I think both Gabby and I have, have always had to be creative in our career just because we were in such niche sports that it forced us to be a little bit more entrepreneurial in general. We just, with our, you know, it's whether we were, you know, she modeled, I modeled early on. I mean, I did some film work. I mean, I do, we do what we had to, you know, we do what we have to do. And then that kind of, you know, we've had sponsors and I think in, in the evolution of an athlete, you have a tendency

• 8:19Speaker 00

  to, depending on your brand and, and your, you know, and what you've, you know, what you've done, I think you evolve into wanting to kind of be your own sponsor at the end, right? And, and, and, and we've been real selective and I mean, it's, it's been, I think that that's been a, it's contributed to our longevity, but it's also been something that's encumbered us a little bit because we just won't do, you know, we won't just endorse and promote any, anything for money. It's just, we've been pretty cautious about things that reflect our authenticity, things that are real to us. And so, um, you know, and I think that's what led us to a lot of these, these, you know, the situation, I mean, with Laird Superfood especially, like I just wouldn't do other.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  You know, energy drinks and other stuff that just isn't good for you.

• 9:09Sam Parr?

  You gotta promote good shit.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  No, exactly. And, and, and, and I, and you know, and so I, and I'm because of my surfing and this, and some of the feats that I've done and the innovations I've done, I have some people that look up to me. And so I look at that as a responsibility to conduct myself in a certain way. Uh, I want to do that anyway for my own thing. So it's a little selfish in one sense, but, but it, you know, but they're like, like again, layered superfood or XPT or, you know, even layered apparel. These are things that, you know, reflect who I am, that the, uh, and, and, you know, it's like, not every single, not every single, uh, you know, everything in layered superfood is something that, that I love. I don't make, you know, I don't want every flavor because I have to make flavors.

• 9:54Sam Parr?

  Yeah. I saw like an interview where someone was like, uh, so what flavors do you like? You know, like I drink this one and they're like, whoa, I like this one. You go, I hate that one. Or something like, yeah, I don't drink that one. I like this one.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. But you have to make stuff for people, you know, you have to make stuff for everybody, right?

• 10:10Sam Parr?

  Right.

• 10:10Speaker 00

  I mean, for me, I feel like the more successful the company can be, the, the more impact I can have.

• 10:15Sam Parr?

  And are those the three like major revenue streams, which is the superfoods, um, it's

• 10:22Speaker 00

  XPT.

• 10:23Sam Parr?

  XPT and, uh, clothing. Is that like your three main things?

• 10:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I'm always doing other, other stuff too. I mean, I do, I do, I do speaking stuff. Um, you know, we have other sponsors that we work with. And so, you know, those

• 10:38Sam Parr?

  Like media, just like, that would be like the media category.

• 10:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's media, there's media.

• 10:43Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 00

  I have a farm, uh, I have a farming project right now that I'm working on as well. And then, and then, uh, and then there'll be some, you know, we, I work with, uh, Gab, both Gabby and I work with Land Rover. Um, I work with Fremont watches. And so I have some, there's media and then there's like some other sponsorship endorsement stuff that continues on, uh, which, you know, I think, I think part of the reason why that stuff continues on at this point in my career is just because, first of all, our, our authenticity and I'm continuing also to pursue, um, athletic achievements as well. So I'm still doing that, that stuff. Uh, and so that, that kind of, so there's the, you know, again, there's a lot of, um, a lot of spokes in the wheel.

• 11:29Sam Parr?

  I remember I saw this interview where you were talking about like taking the company public and you're like, we got to go there and ring the bell and it was just so much work and all this paperwork and I'm shocked that anyone could do this. And at first, you guys were flying high. Things were going well. As of late, the stock has been crushed. Do you like, what, what are those emotions going through like right now when it's gotten crushed? And do you regret taking it public? Because it seems like a good business. I mean, you're doing good revenues. I think this year, the growth, it didn't work out this year. I just read one of your guys' most recent reports. I think you changed CEOs. What are the emotions now where things are changing?

• 12:11Speaker 00

  I mean, right now, it's a tough world. We're not alone. I mean, so that's kind of nice. It'd be like if it was, everything was booming and then you were having trouble, you might be a little bit like, well, what are we doing wrong? So there's some of that. I mean, I wouldn't change a bit of it. I mean, I, I could say, listen, coming from my background and my, my relationship with like being patient and, you know, crashing and wrecks and all my like, all the stuff that I've gone through, hard, I'm gonna be hard to face. You know what I mean? Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, my family's healthy, I'm healthy. We're, we're good. You know, it's like I tell Gabby, I go, you know, we were

• 12:56Speaker 00

  good, we're good, now we're gonna be good. Like, it's all.

• 12:59Sam Parr?

  Are you, are you guys having like conversations when you're like, did you have a significant amount of your net worth tied up into the company?

• 13:05Speaker 00

  Uh, I mean, well, it's, I mean, listen, this, the stock value alone, it was, was substantial. So it's, but again, that's counting chickens before they hatch. And so, and I'm, that's not the, that's not my world. I'm not, that's not, I'm not that guy. Like, I'm not that, that, because I realize that life is so temporary, that if you think you can somehow, and that, and that you really don't have the kind of control you think you have. Everybody, I mean, so my, my, my, the university I went through, the university of, you know, of big wave riding, or the university of the ocean, or the university of the Hard Knocks, you just have a different perspective. So. I I I've been, you know, of course, would I love the stock to be going through the ceiling?

• 13:49Speaker 00

  Absolutely. But I wouldn't change going public. I I wouldn't go back and redo it. Because the fact is, is that that experience, right? At the end of the day, that experience of going through that process, doing the roadshow, doing 90 Zoom, one hour Zooms over a three week period, all day long, every day, and just all this stuff that we did and and and and just that knowledge, you just can't, unless you've been through that. You know, no, people can't tell, can't talk to you like they they can say, oh, yeah, what's, you know, or I know what it's like. Well, no, you don't know what it's like unless you've been through that process. And and and so you can't really appreciate it. And and so for me, I feel like that was an incredible school of and and and experience

• 14:34Speaker 00

  that, you know, if there's anything you can take with us, I there's a great friend of ours who's a woman judge and from the South, and she always says to us, invest in experiences. Because if there's anything that you might be able to take from you when you do depart this earth, when you die, you know, it's it may be that. I mean, you're not going to take in anything else. So none of this other stuff's coming with you, not the value and the money and the car, house and all the stuff that none of that stuff's coming with you. The only thing that's going to come with you is the possibly could be these experiences that you've gone through. And so for me, I feel like what an incredible thing. And we're we're the seat, the new CEO we have in there is incredible. This is only, it's

• 15:17Speaker 00

  a little bit like, because and I've and I've done some pretty brutal endurance things in my career. And and and I and I, I know when you when you digging deep and and, you know, that's where all the, that's where all the, the building comes from, right? That's where all the character building and the polishing of the stone happens in when it's when you're, you know, down. And so for me, I'm just like, been here before. Probably be here again. No problem. I mean, here we, here we go. So it's for me, I feel like this is, this is a little bit more like the rough, like the, I would say the

• 16:00Speaker 00

  refining, you know, like you're getting refined right now. And, and so it's only going to help us make everything tighter, make our, you know, what we need to do better. Cause if you're not getting bumped a little, if you're not getting pushed, then there's no reason, you know, I give you an analogy of, of like a professional team, you know, you have this beautiful team that you built and you go and you have an incredible season, but then you lose in the finals. And then, and then the next season they break the team up and they're like, well, you could have easily won, but you just, you just, you broke it up because you, and, and the winning and losing, it's, it's, it's, I mean, the difference is nothing. The difference is

• 16:45Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it could be a couple of inches.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. So, so, yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, my biggest thing is just, I, I, I need this business to be successful because the stuff's awesome. I need it. I, I need it. I need it for my friends. I need it for everybody who loves it. I like, so that's the biggest, you know, that's our biggest, our biggest, uh, you know, for me, that's the most important thing is that, that we continue to, to supply the people that we do. And we continue to get new people in there. And, and, you know, I think right now everybody's getting squeezed, you know? I think there's a big squeeze on the whole, you know, on the whole system. So, you know, that's, I mean, this is, this is when the, this is when the tough guys get going. This is when the, you know,

• 17:27Speaker 00

  and our, and, and, and our new CEOs and, and, you know, a hundred miler, he's a merit, like he's a long distance runner. So he knows how to, he knows how to grind. So

• 17:38Sam Parr?

  Well, you, um, I read the story about how you used to make this stuff. Um, and you're using turmeric and everything. You're just making us, making what is now layered food at home. How much capital did you invest to get it store ready? And about how long did that take?

• 17:56Speaker 00

  It was pretty, pretty, it didn't take, I mean, we, you know, the unusual thing about the business was, is that, I mean, it could have been a couple 20, 30 grand or something like that at the most and that, but we went online first. That's why it was really not, didn't cost us much to start. We made a, you know, a powdered version of my original recipe. And then, and then about the third or fourth rendition through that, uh, we,

• 18:23Sam Parr?

  You're just in there looking like you're mixing like Coke. You just got like, you probably just had some scales at home and a little Ziploc bag.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  And then, yeah, exactly. Well, then, and then all of a sudden it's like, well, this, this is it. And then, and then, and then, uh, and, and, and my friend that I was working with, Paul Hodge was like a startup, a really, and I had been working with him on the golf board on another project. And, uh, and so, you know, we, and we had, what we did, we just started online, which was fortunate like,

• 18:50Sam Parr?

  Do you remember your first years of sales?

• 18:51Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 18:53Sam Parr?

  Do you remember your first years, uh, sales?

• 18:56Speaker 00

  Oh, I don't, I don't probably, I mean, I think it happened fairly quick, but, uh, you know, 50, 100 grand or something like that. I don't know, something pretty quick, but it's, but it happened real quick. It was like, you know, right away. It was like, okay, five, 10, 15, you know, it was like, we just marched into, you know, probably a hundred, a hundred, a hundred, 150, something like that within, or even, even, even a little bit more after probably a year. I mean, if you counted like making samples, you know, playing with it, getting every, you know, packet, getting some packages of it, going online, getting the people, that whole process. If you get to count that within the year, yeah, something like that. Nothing, nothing quick.

• 19:37Speaker 00

  But I mean, the traction happened quickly because good stuff, people put, and, and I, and I was able to tap into kind of a smaller group of, you know, friends, I would say friends and following that, that was available to us. And that, that helped us. Uh, I think it would have been a little different if we were just starting from scratch with no, with no, uh, kind of, nobody there to do stuff with.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  And we got a lot of, and we got a lot of response to, we were, we had a real inner, I would say a, a good group that was interactive, like they, we, oh, try this one. Oh, we don't like that one, you know, that was engaged with us, that helped us. And that was a big piece of it, that we had customers that were kind of more engaged with helping us uh, kind of refine things. I think that was, that was, that was also very useful in, in the beginning.

• 20:30Sam Parr?

  Well, you timed it perfectly. So like right now, we're in the thick of like a health trend, like, uh, you know, partially because like, if you go to my Instagram feed, it's like you and like all ripped dudes, like, you know, they're like in ice baths now, which I do, and you know, it's, uh, knees over toes, like, it's like, we're in like, uh, it's become cool now to, to be healthy and like, but you were talking about, and um, I read how you were like, dude, we've been using ghee for 20 years. Ghee is popular now. You've been doing a lot of stuff that, uh, is like considered eccentric 20 years ago, which is now not quite normal, but it's more normal. You also said that, um, you're like, I'm, I'm obsessed with ideas and like figuring out what can be, uh, what's going to work, what's not going to work.

• 21:14Sam Parr?

  Were there any other ideas other than some of the, than what is now superfood? Was there any other ideas that you were tinkering with where you're like, man, I think this, this thing that I'm doing on a day-to-day basis, or this food I'm consuming, or this trend that I'm, or this thing that I'm doing now, will become more popular and I should maybe pursue that?

• 21:30Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, listen, stand-up paddling. I mean, I don't know if anybody knows what stand-up paddling is, but I start, I mean, I, I did that for eight years alone, like that, that thing. And that thing was the fastest growing sport in the world for a while, like it's, it's everywhere in the, in the whole planet. I mean, as far as a sport itself, um, as a discipline, I mean, foiling, foiling is another thing that I, I was doing.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Like, we were the first guys to really stand and, and then we were the first guys to ride, that you realize that you could ride, ride waves with foils. And now it's, you got foil magazines and there's 10 different disciplines. And for those people that don't know what a foil is, it's an airplane that rides underwater that, that Is attached to a board above. So you're, and I know people have seen them, you know, at this point, you've seen some, either an electric version or some, I mean, that's what the

• 22:23Sam Parr?

  I thought the electric one.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, America's cups and all the boats have gone that that direction as well. I mean, most of my stuff has come in sport. I have, you know, I mean, you always have some funny ideas that, that, you know, that the, that there's a, there's going to be three customers or maybe four, you know? I mean, XPT is another, a big, you know, a big, I mean, there's some stuff in XPT. I have this pool training system that, that I've been working on for a while that has, is, still hasn't really gained traction for, uh, just be, I mean, it's gaining traction, but again, it's

• 22:57Sam Parr?

  But the breathing part of it, I think you have like a breathing part on the app.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:01Sam Parr?

  I know a lot of people who do that. That, I mean, it is, what's the app? The app? How much does that cost? Or is it all free?

• 23:07Speaker 00

  Um, no, you, there's different pieces of the app. There's different stages of it. You can go to xptlife.com and then if you want the breathing app, you know, there's different, there's different, and I don't know exactly what they're charging for the app, that, the app right now, because we've just came out with a specific breathing one. But there's, there's a bunch of different, uh, you know, there's different levels of, of your participation. And we do, we do a camp too. We do like a, a two and a half day seminar. But you know, you know what I have, I say about innovation and ideas is, uh, you know, it's just a new application of an old idea. I mean, you, you think for, for anyone to have what they would think would be an original thought at this point

• 23:47Speaker 00

  in humanity is insanity. Like, how? How could you have an original thought, given the fact that there has been billions of minds over, you know, hundreds of thousands of years that saying, and, and, and also even in civilizations that we don't really even know anything about. So to think that you'd have a new, you know, kind of some unique thought, I think it's more about these hybrids, these co- combining existing things, maybe some new materials kind of, or some new stuff changes the way, I mean, listen, my, my whole thing around

• 24:23Speaker 00

  Like, for example, with layered, uh, with superfood is really based on using plants in the, on the whole form and not separating and taking, you know, elements out and concentrating it or trying to figure, I mean, a lot of that's based on really trying to figure out how to get a patent and control and own. Yeah, I feel like, listen, nature made it perfect for your body. Why don't you use it in those ratios? And, and it seems like whenever we don't do that as close to nature as we can, there's always a problem. There's always a problem whenever you're, whenever you're giving the system something that it can't really relate to. And I think that that's, you know, uh, I mean, at least in, in, in, in, in the superfood side of things, that's a big,

• 25:08Speaker 00

  that's kind of a philosophy that we use to help govern that, that, that brand. I mean, part of the reason why I think there's such a crazy health thing. It was going that way anyway, but I think people started to realize after the, uh, you know, I mean, since the pandemic happened and that, that being healthy is really an advantage, you know? And I think because we have so much, uh, like, like we're in somewhat of a health crisis, just given, you know, diabetes and obesity and just all this stuff that's, that's been happening. Uh, I think that, that the importance, again, back to what I said earlier about putting value on things, you know, you put a value on eating really good food, you're going to have really good food. If you just are like, hey, just get that in, you know, I don't care what it is, you know, let's just,

• 25:54Speaker 00

  you know, go through a drive through and pick it up and just eat it because we, we're hungry and we want to get full. Versus, no, I want something that really tastes amazing and has, you know, and, and is, and is nutrient dense and all that stuff. So, again, I think we give the value to the stuff and that will bring, you know, that'll bring the level and the quality of it. But if you don't make it important, then, and, and I just, I mean, yeah, I just think that, that the, and then I have a philosophy about stuff that you do every day anyway, like things that you do every day are accumulative, right? There's an accumulation. I mean, I mean, there was a, a technique they used to use to kill the kings in the old days is you just give them a little arson. Right? And then eventually, you know, in a year or two, all of a sudden the king croaks and dies.

• 26:39Speaker 00

  But it was never enough to just be, it wasn't poison, but it was just an accumulation. And I think, you know, I think that that's true with fitness. I think it's true with, with, uh, you know, with your diet. If you're just, you know, if you're, if you're eating a little bit of bad food every day, that's an accumulative thing. If you're eating a little good food every day, you know, and then that's an accumulative thing. And I think that's your, I think that, that there's an opportunity to, to really have an impact on your, on your health. If you're just, you know, hey, I'm doing, I'm doing some training every day. I'm, you know, I'm getting a good night's sleep every day. I'm getting, I'm getting, eating good food every day. It's like this stuff over time is going to pay dividends and it's, and you know, it's, it's a, I mean, I, I just think

• 27:20Speaker 00

  that, that really speaks back to the philosophy about being patient and being, you know, you're gonna, I told you the story when I worked in downtown LA with the, with that, with that Korean guy, Mr. Chun.

• 27:32Sam Parr?

  What brand, what brand were they making stuff for?

• 27:34Speaker 00

  He was making, uh, oxygen, um, he was building guests and green line. So he's building all the guest jackets that were made out of like old Levi jeans. They were, they'd take jeans and they'd sew them all together and then they'd stone wash it.

• 27:49Sam Parr?

  Was it like a, just like a big factory with Koreans and he's just paying them nothing? I mean, really as much as.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  Well, more, yeah, but exactly. Yeah, but I mean, probably paying them and paying them enough that they were able to support their families and, and, uh, but he was had, like I said, big, you know, uh, tumbling, uh, washers and dryers with pumice stone. But I'd sit in the end and try to pick stuff out. I'm like, I want to pick some wisdom out of this guy. So one, I'm sitting there one day and he'd always drink Miller, Millers. He would drink Millers, which is the worst beer ever, but that's another story.

• 28:20Sam Parr?

  That's what I used to drink, Miller Lite, Miller Lite. That was my drink. It had high alcohol content and low carbs.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Exactly. Yeah. Cause that's so great.

• 28:28Sam Parr?

  It's the worst.

• 28:29Speaker 00

  But he, he, he said, you know, he goes, oh yeah, when good times here, don't be too happy. Cause after good time, bad time comes, but when bad times here, don't be too sad. Because after bad time, good time come again. And I'm like, there's some wisdom there. I mean, that, that means technically you'd be numb if you didn't react to things. But there is wisdom in the, hey, you know, when bad times here, don't be too sad. Cause after bad time, good time come. And when you're in the good time, don't be too happy. So in a way, I think there's something to be said about that.

• 29:02Sam Parr?

  Can I ask you about your house? I I've studied or I've I've seen your house and the setup and I've talked to a ton of friends. Like, oh, yeah, we went to Laird's, which is you're you're like you're you're like the Bono. You know, you're a one man, you're a one name guy now, which is cool. But they're like, oh, we went to Laird's and we did the pool thing and it was amazing. And like, one of the things that you've done is like, you're living like every like many men's fantasy, which is to have this amazing house that's like community. And, uh, yeah, people coming and going and it's all on your terms. And I think it's pretty cool. What year did you buy that house and how much did it cost? Would you like, you know, when that was?

• 29:37Speaker 00

  I mean, it was, well, I don't know. I don't remember exact figure, but it was cheap for Malibu, crazy. But we've been here for 25 years, 20, 26 years. So, you know, what's the values of, of, you know, I mean, things for a million dollars 25 years ago are 25 million now.

• 29:54Sam Parr?

  Was that a big deal for you at the time? It was, was that a big purchase?

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, when Gabby, when I, when we looked at that house, because it was, the guy had built it for his, the guy who built the house built it for himself and and he was a Greek engineer, the one here in Malibu.

• 30:11Speaker 00

  Because I also, you know, I'm from Hawaii and so we have a home there. We just, we just finished during the pandemic. But he was built it for his house, his, his family. And then he, and then during the process, I think him and his wife kind of had got divorced, which happens a lot to people because building houses is very stressful. Like, it's a very stressful thing. But I said to Gabby, I go, I showed her the house and she looked at the price. I go, don't look at the price, look at the house. Just think if you want the house, like, before you look at the price to let it affect you, whether you want the house or not, look at the house. Because, you know, sometimes I think we get in the way of, oh, well, that's how much it is. I can't get that and dictate instead of, well, no. So let's see if you want it or not.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  Like, why would it even matter what the price was if you didn't want it anyway? So first, let's see if you want it. So we went, we came and looked at the house and she was like, oh, it's amazing. And I stood across, uh, at this house, I stood across the street. I didn't come into the house and I just looked and I could see the I could see this wave that I love to surf. And so I just, and I was like, I love this house. And she's like, well, you haven't been in the house yet. And I go,

• 31:19Sam Parr?

  You're like, don't matter, I'm in.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  I don't even need to go in the house. I'm good. If you're good, I'm good. Cause I could be on a, you know, I could have been on a, you know, in a tent right there looking at the, at it. So that, you know, the, the, what do they say about real estate? And rest, probably restaurants too, but real estate is, and houses, location, location, location, location, location. It's all, everything's about location. If you're, if you're, if people are trying to buy things and for value or keep value or have an increased value, it's all about location. I mean, you can always change the house. You can rebuild the house, but you can't change where it is. And so I, I think, you know, that's one thing about when you grow up in Hawaii and you live in an environment where

• 32:02Speaker 00

  people work all year to save up to come on vacation for one week. And then you live in that environment, you kind of, I mean, if you don't, if you have your head screwed on correctly, you realize what, how fortunate that is, you know, that, that that's a fortunate thing to be that the, and those, and that those are to be cherished, those places that yet that people seek out to just, you know, be able to go there for a week and you live there. That's a pretty, that's a pretty fortunate thing, but also that you, you need to realize that that's, that that means it's a special place, you know?

• 32:36Sam Parr?

  I always see videos of these athletes coming and going. How many days a week are you actually having people come and do those workouts in the pool?

• 32:43Speaker 00

  Well, Gabby does her, she has training in the morning. It depends on the time of the year, you know, normally, uh, most of this is in the summertime because you have football, basketball. A lot of times it's off season. Guys come, you know, I have, uh, just I'm connected with a lot of different athletes and a lot of different coaches and a lot of different physios. And so people, you know, guys get hurt. Um, and then they're coming out of an injury and then they'll send them to come see, to see, you know, to see us.

• 33:12Sam Parr?

  Are you charging them or is this just like, you're just doing it for fun?

• 33:15Speaker 00

  No, it's, no, because it's, if you, if, if you charge people, then it's the, the. Dynamic changes, you know, and we really, we like to, I like to have that sign that says we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Like kind of thing like I think that that's a better, that's a better relationship. I mean, we don't have to, we don't, we don't need to. So it allows us, we have the luxury to be able to not have to charge because we're able to, you know, we're, we're, there's other ways to, to earn a living. And so, um, but that does set up a really nice environment. I have like, I have a young, uh, a young man that's been living with us and, and training, training, um, and learning about training. He's becoming, you know, very, uh,

• 33:59Speaker 00

  versatile and just advanced and because he has such exposure. Uh, and so like he'll, I'll, we'll get guys to come in and guys that want to get, get work, you know, worked with. I'll have him, uh, and we have other, other trainers with X P T and we have other people that we know that, hey, if you, if somebody needs a trainer and they, and they want to run through a lot of this, the stuff that we do, we'll, we'll, you know, I, what do we say? We have people for that. But yeah, we have people for that, that, that do that. And then the rest of it, you know, normally we kind of have a communal training, uh, you know, like on, on, on certain days of the week. We have some kind of regulars that kind of come and train on those days.

• 34:40Speaker 00

  Uh, you know, we do like, it'll be maybe lift, lifting and, and stuff and dry land stuff on, on, uh, you know, like Monday, Wednesday, Fridays, and then Tuesday, Thursday, Saturdays is, is can be the pool stuff depending on, on, uh, on who it is and, and what we, what we do. And it's, it's not a lot. I mean, there's at times there could be a fair amount of people. Um, you know, the, the, the stuff that we do does weed out some of the people just because it's, you know, we're, we're, we're here to work and, and it's, and it's, uh, and we have a, you know, a big P, probably the most important piece of it is this community, right? That we have a little, that we have a really nice community that.

• 35:22Speaker 00

  That that's what you realize that we all are looking for, right? We're all looking for a little tribe to belong to. I mean, that's I would, I would blame, I wouldn't say blame, but I'd say that that was part of the success of something like CrossFit, that it was really had less to do with the work workout itself as it did that you were part of a tribe and you had a community and people that were like minded that were training with you and so on. So I think that's a big piece of it. I think that, that, you know, that we need that you, I mean, listen, some days you're just down and you're like, hey, you know, and I don't feel like doing anything today. And then somebody's out there, okay, ready to go. And then you're like, okay, let's go. And then you just so, you know, and vice versa, they might not be in you are. And so I think that we, we kind of lift each other up. I think that that's part of, I mean, we,

• 36:07Speaker 00

  humans are communal creatures, and I think we operate well that way, as long as we have like minded people.

• 36:15Sam Parr?

  Um, I was looking at like some old photos of, of folks in your pool. I think there was like, uh, a whole bunch of, and yeah, you had a whole bunch of basketball players, Jokic Noah, Grant Hill, a few other people. Who, who have you worked out with back there that has put you in awe of, of their fitness or their athletic ability?

• 36:35Speaker 00

  I mean, listen, I get so many crazy guys. I think I, I mean, my problem is I probably have a skewed bar. Like my, you know, I don't, because I'm with normally, I'm always with all these freaks, right? So it's a little bit like, hard to out freak the freak, you know, like you, when you got, you know, I got, when you guys, you got, you know, guys like Christian McCaffrey, or, or, you know, or Jalen, or I mean, you just, you just have the level of athlete that you have is, I mean, I think there's some, there's always, you know, the, the, the, the people that surprise you are probably people you haven't heard of that, that come there that, that have a certain mindset, because some of the pool stuff that we do can be, it's stressful, you know, and so

• 37:20Speaker 00

  sometimes, you know, you, you, you'd think you'd get this big, super strong guy and he freaks out, and then you get some kind of more frail, you know, lady that just has a, you know, mental giant and can just handle, you know, being in the ice and drowning in the deep end. And, you know, so it doesn't, I think it's pretty, uh, That's why it's kind of neutralizing. There's a neutralizing aspect to the environment because it's, first of all, you're always going to have somebody that, you know, you're always gonna,

• 37:55Speaker 00

  you're always gonna, you're always gonna have somebody that can out you, do you in something, right? You can outdo them, they can outdo you. And so our approach is more about you finding your own barriers and then trying to lift those up, right? You try to, you try to, and, and don't use other people as a reference to you. I think that's where we run in trouble, you know, we get in trouble as you start comparing, you get over there and you're like, okay, that guy's doing this and which, what do they say? Comparison is the death of happiness? I'm not sure, but

• 38:24Sam Parr?

  Like the thief of joy.

• 38:26Speaker 00

  Something like that.

• 38:26Sam Parr?

  Man, I, I've always hated that phrase when they say comparison is the thief of joy. Cause I'm like, yeah, that's true. I shouldn't compare myself, but I love to compete. And so like,

• 38:35Speaker 00

  Well, that's different though, but that's different. That's different. Comparing and competing. Yeah.

• 38:41Sam Parr?

  Like I like seeing guys and I'm, or in business and I'm like, this person's doing this revenue. They're at 50 million. I'm like, oh, if that dumbass could do that, I definitely could do 70. Let's crush them. Or like, I've got a joke. I'm like, people are like, oh, you gotta let go of that grudge. And I'm like, this grudge fuels everything I do. I've like, I like, the reason I like work out hard is to like, prove my ex-girlfriend from high school that like,

• 39:04Speaker 00

  You were worthy. Yeah, yeah.

• 39:07Sam Parr?

  Like, everything I do is because, everything I do is because of a grudge. I'm like, rage is the greatest fuel on earth. And so when people say like, comparison is the thief of joy, I'm like, I get so much joy proven like these idiots wrong and like letting a 20 year comment sit on my back for those years about how I wasn't like, you know, fit enough or successful enough. Like, I love that stuff. You know what I mean?

• 39:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you will, but you know what's interesting? Cause that's, I, I, I will say, cause I can relate to that. I mean, listen, a lot of what I've done is because of that. Like, so, but then at a certain point, then you get to this thing and then you're like, okay, then what? Then at some point you achieve the thing you're trying to do, you prove your point, and then you're sitting there going, okay, now what? And then you're like, okay, do I have to make up a new one? Or maybe I can create motive? Out of, out of success or contentment or something versus, so I think there is too. I think that can be, I, I know for myself personally, I've gone through, you know, being driven and motivated to achieve certain things because of, you know,

• 40:09Speaker 00

  frustration and proving the world to the world and, and, you know, and all those things that I went through that drove, drove me, but then, but then you achieve it and then you're like, okay, now what, you know, what am I going to do now? Like now, how I'm going to adjust to be able to continue? And so at least in my, I can say, you know, and listen, if you're a competitor, you're a competitor. That's just a vicious, like for me, I think I'm, I am such a vicious competitor that, that I would, I almost, I can't, I can barely actually even compete because I just, because of, because in, in a real, if you look at real, if you look at competition in nature

• 40:52Speaker 00

  and the brutality of it, like the real, like the real thing, not just these contrived things of like the real, like for real. Yeah. Then you're like, okay, well, maybe I better figure out how to constructively vent that stuff.

• 41:08Sam Parr?

  Do, does that, does that, does that carry over to, to business too? I mean, are you talking, I think Mike, I think, I think his name is Mike, you're the new CEO. Are you like, you know, we need, I want this much profit. We need this much growth. Does that carry over to business as well?

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, not, not that, not that way. Not, I mean, it, it, you know, I mean, it maybe it should, but it not that. I think it's, mine is a more, you know, mine is a patient thing. Like I have a, like, you know, my favorite term is the victory through attrition.

• 41:41Sam Parr?

  Yeah. Just be a cockroach.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  That's like, like, like the last guy standing. Like I'm all about that. Like you can be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can have your little wins, your little wins and your little wins. And all great, but I'm talking about like at the end, when you're the only one left on the battlefield and everybody's laying on the ground, then you don't even have to be any good. You don't even have to be good. You're just.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  Undisputed, you're the guy. So, and I think, I think for me, I feel like, and, and, and I'm looking at the greatest competition is life, right? The greatest competition is life. Like, you want to talk about the real game? The game, the, the real game, like, because all these other things, they're games, they're right, but the real game, the big game is life. The big game is, you know, is like, the quality of, like, at the, like, relationship. Father, you know, how, like, your life, like, that's the big game. That's the real game. That's why I said, when I talk about the spoke, I go, yeah, business, that's one spoke, make sure it's nice and tight, good, cool. But if you're all there, then you got these giant

• 42:51Speaker 00

  holes in the other spot. I'm like, sorry, lost the game already.

• 42:55Sam Parr?

  But you, you, you, you've not always been that way, have you? I think I read some old stuff where like, I think your wife filed for divorce and you, at one point in you guys, like, you've thankfully made it work, I think in 01.

• 43:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:09Sam Parr?

  I think you, I don't, I don't remember if I read that you had a drinking problem, but I think you said that, uh, you wish you had told your younger self to quit drinking earlier. So I don't know if that was like a problem or not. Uh, like, I know that you, and if I just were just to stereotype you, I'm like, I bet you are like a wild guy. And anyone, if I'm stereotyping a surfer who like goes out hard, does everything hard, I'm like, I'm sure, I bet you picked some of your vices uh, with that same, or you use that same energy sometimes toward vices. When did, were you kind of like, uh, you, you weren't always this wise, I'm sure. And what made that switch?

• 43:40Speaker 00

  Well, no, I mean, I, well, okay, let's, let's be, let's be clear that

• 43:46Speaker 00

  for sure work, right? Sure, work in process, work in process now, work in process then. I mean, I, I always you know, love sleep. I always, like, even within my, I mean, I, the thing of, like, my thing about drinking, like, I loved, I love wine. I drank, I, that was one, I always said I had, I had two French habits, because I worked with a French company for 20 years. And I, my two French habits were espresso and Pinot Noir. And then it was like, and, and And like everything I do, I have a tendency to do it, you know, in excess. Like if one's good, then two's better. So that's the mentality.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  And so in a way, but as far as like, as far as kind of my, I mean, listen, I first of all, I would have never. First, I never, Gabby and I would never have gotten to be together if I didn't have a certain, if I didn't have a certain. I'd say calculation, morality, values. I mean, there's certain things that were, that I've had my whole life, right? That it since I was, since I was young, it wasn't like I got them. I had, I had the basis of it. And then that's been just a process of refinement. Again, all loose spoke like, hey, you know what? This, this, this drinking thing's an issue because I don't have real power over it. I want to prove to myself I do. I come from a, you know, I, I always say I come from a long line of alcoholics, but we all do.

• 45:10Speaker 00

  I think it's a human, you know, I, I always say out being alcoholics like being a surfer. There's no one that doesn't love surfing. Well, there's no human being that doesn't actually like alcohol. It's just whether you drink or not.

• 45:21Sam Parr?

  I'm, uh, I'm 10 years sober too. I, I loved it.

• 45:25Speaker 00

  So I got 15 years, I got 15, not, but, but my thing was like a, you know, my mom said to me once when I was a kid. She said, if you can't be true to yourself, you can't be true to anyone else. And so I thought, hmm, let me see. If I say, hey, I can stop drinking anytime and then the next day I drank or the next week or the, or the next month, then I really don't have a lot of power over it. Right? So then I want to have, so now I want to be like, I want to have some power over it. And so that was a discipline thing too. And you know what, what I saw also said, all the dumbest things I ever did were when I was drinking. That, all the stupidest things I ever, I've ever done, usually some alcohol was somehow involved in there. Because, because like it says in the bottle, impairs your motor skills.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  So, so let's not forget. So, and so in, in, in, in a way, uh, those things like the, in my relationship, the rocky times in the relationship. Those refined, you know, and, and, and motivate you to make changes. You know, all those things, okay, drinking, that, you know, like just all these different, these things that, and there's things I'm still working on and probably will always be. But that's a continuation of, of trying to, to, uh,

• 46:39Speaker 00

  Get better, like get, get, get better and not, and, and, and which means that you're saying, hey, there's things that you think you could do better, or you could be better, or you could make changes, or you could, you know, whatever, whatever those are. I mean, they're, you know, what do they say about sin? You know, let he without sin cast the first stone. No one seems to be able to throw one because everybody falls short. So, I mean, it's about being honest too, like being honest with yourself and being like, okay, what is it? What, what do I, what is it? Which, which thing? And then you know what? You just start eliminate. You start, okay, let's work on that one. Let's work on this one. And then, and then as you go. And so that's, I

• 47:19Speaker 00

  mean, I'm in that, I'm in that, in that process. And, and, and, and you get success. You get, you get, you get success. I mean, I use, I used to use the guilt from drinking to make me feel motivated about training. So I'd be like, oh yeah, I could drink Pinot Noir, cup, you know, bottle, two bottle, three bottles, no problem. Eat dinner, go to sleep, wake up 5:00 AM, train like an animal. What's the problem? No problem. There's a problem. I don't see a problem.

• 47:47Sam Parr?

  You could train hungover?

• 47:49Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, like an animal.

• 47:50Sam Parr?

  Oh, fuck that. You have puke in the ocean.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  Using that, using that guilt, using that guilt and prove, like approve, like all prove, let me show you what a man I am. You know, I'll show you what I can do. And so

• 48:02Sam Parr?

  I, I hope your pool had a good filter, man.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  But, but like I said, my drinking problem had to do with wine only, never hard, you know, I mean, okay, not never hard booze, but I was pretty smart about that. But, uh, but even within that I had, you know, there was some sort of control. But I'm, I'm just speaking in general as a thing to refine, right? As you go, let's just try to, let's try to continue to, to, to polish the stone.

• 48:30Sam Parr?

  You're kind of going like one path down this longevity thing and healthy living thing that I love. But I love freak shows. I love like people who are just oddballs and a guy we had on here one time. His name's Brian Johnson. Have you seen Brian Johnson from Blueprint? I mean, he's like total freak show when it comes to longevity and I love that people are brave enough to do what he's doing because like you can always learn cool shit from people doing extremes.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  Isn't he blending his food every day? I think Gabby did a podcast on him. Is that the guy?

• 48:58Sam Parr?

  He's doing all type. Yeah, that's a million. Basically, he's like, yeah, he's like, I'll like, give you, I'll give you like the, the clip notes. But basically he's probably close to a billionaire. So he started a company that he sold. So he's got plenty of income and money to like be playing around. But basically he's like, I'm going to become the most tested person on planet earth. And I'm going to try to, he goes, I'm going to try to decrease my biological age faster than my chronological age, which obviously is going to be impossible at one point. But he was like, let's just see if I can get, make my body younger, even though my age gets older. And so he like does crazy amounts of tests where he's doing tests weekly and he's spending millions of dollars doing it. And he blogs and documents it all on his website, Blueprint.

• 49:40Sam Parr?

  But some of the crazy stuff that he's doing is he's like, well, through my tests are showing that like this vegan diet or vegan lifestyle is working well for me. Therefore, I am only going to eat these same three things every day. But he like measures the calories down to like the thousand. He's like, you know, it's going to be this amount of calories, this servings, the workout has to be this. And I'm like, I love that weirdos like that exist because we can, we're going to be able to learn some cool stuff from him. Have you been paying attention to that? And what do you think about those people that are a little bit less? I mean, he, I don't know if he's like, I think at one point you said, um, science follows intuition. With him, it's like, let's go science and let's see how that makes me feel. Uh, but have you been paying attention to that? And what's your, what's your take?

• 50:19Speaker 00

  Well, Gabby did a show on, on Brian and a podcast, went and interviewed him. And so her and I had a conversation when she kind of filled me in about some of the stuff that he was doing, did she go to his house? She did. Yeah, she did. And she ate some of his, she ate some of his goulash. She ate some of his.

• 50:35Sam Parr?

  The nutty pudding.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, his blended blended. And I mean, listen, you know, when you chew food, when you chew food, you create saliva that you create enzymes in your mouth that go down with the food to help digest the food. And one of the worst, if the, one of the ways, if you really want to become like allergic or have a, an allergy against something is just eat that alone every day, all day. But, but that gets into, I'm into a whole, you know, I'm, I'm into, I guess for me, I just feel like you can't hack your way around biology in my, in my, in my, the world of my thought.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  And it is interesting. I think you can use hacking to support work. You know, I think, I think, uh, first of all, I think in the diet, one of the most important things is diversity. I think that's one of the most important. I mean, the problem is, is it's hard to, to not get bombarded by a bunch of, you know, things that aren't good for you as well. But, you know, through that, so it'll be, it'll be, it would be interesting to, to, I mean, Gabby would be a better person to have the conversation about, but I am always interested in watching. I think there's so much, uh, I don't know. He, I mean, I do appreciate that he's doing, like the guys going through, going through it, but,

• 51:59Speaker 00

  but as far as, you know, what, what, you know, we're, what we are and what we're doing and what we need. I'll be interested, you know, I'll be interested to see, uh, first of all, what, what it, what it, you know, what it does.

• 52:16Sam Parr?

  I, um, I think.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  More as an entertainment.

• 52:20Sam Parr?

  That's what I'm saying. Like I, I love that. Like, uh, I don't know if you pay attention to fighting, but you know who, Nate? Do you, you watch fighting, like MMA or UFC or anything?

• 52:27Speaker 00

  A lot of it. I know, I know. I have a bunch of guys I know that do it, but I, I'm.

• 52:32Sam Parr?

  Yeah. I mean, I, I like, I always say I love a freak show. I like fighting, boxing. I mean, I love just like some crazy event.

• 52:39Speaker 00

  What do you think about, uh, wrestling?

• 52:42Sam Parr?

  WWE wrestling or?

• 52:44Speaker 00

  WWE.

• 52:46Sam Parr?

  I mean, I love that stuff.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:47Sam Parr?

  Watch that?

• 52:48Speaker 00

  What's that? Oh, yeah. Well, I have a friend of mine. My friend of mine bring brought me to it. I never even watched it and I have a friend that really is into it. And so he, he, he brought me and I go with him, but I only, I live vicariously through him because I'm amazed just how, how into it he is, how much he knows about it.

• 53:07Sam Parr?

  It's just a grown man soap opera.

• 53:08Speaker 00

  Soap opera. It's soap opera.

• 53:10Sam Parr?

  But it's fun. I love that.

• 53:12Speaker 00

  You know, it goes to our deepest.

• 53:13Sam Parr?

  It serves a purpose.

• 53:14Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, it does. It goes right to the.

• 53:16Sam Parr?

  I want to see some yoke guy in his underwear. It's like fighting and arguing about shit. You know what I mean? Like, let's just like, I just like, I like me, I like weirdos. I like freaks. Just like, let it be.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  Well, and also people from outside really, they think, they actually think that the audience thinks that everything what's going on is real. They don't realize that everybody in the audience knows exactly what's going on and they're just participating in the whole show. And then it's all part of the whole thing. It's pretty. So, yeah, the humans are, I mean, listen, humans are entertaining and, and you know, just watch them.

• 53:47Sam Parr?

  When you're like, I, uh, I have this like image in my head of, of what you are. Uh, and like you running your businesses. I'm like, is he like totally out of the picture on a day to day, on a day to day basis? And just talks to the CEO once a month? And I was like, actually, what's that? What, what would that look like? Like when we got on here, your wife helped set up the camera. Are you even using a computer or a phone on a daily basis? Are you totally detached?

• 54:13Speaker 00

  No, I'm, I'm, I'm, I use a phone. Uh, I'm not,

• 54:18Speaker 00

  I'm not, I'm not a social media guy. I don't spend very, I mean, this is my, the phone for me is communication, weather, weather and news and new, and new stuff that, that, and when I say news, I mean, more like investigation stuff like, but, but I, I mean, listen, I, I'm.

• 54:35Sam Parr?

  What's investigation stuff?

• 54:37Speaker 00

  Uh, just trying to understand what the truth is about whatever and everything. So they just, it just, I'm, I, I, I go into, if I'm interested in something, if that, you know, if I'm interested in some political thing, I, I like to look like, understand exactly from my own, not just take the, the advice of people that are telling you about it, but actually like understand the real stuff. So I have a tendency to, but I'm just using, like I said, the thing for a tool. So I hardly, I hardly use it. I talk to Jason all the time. I talk to, uh, You know, Laird Apparel, the lady, you know, the lady that's, that's running that right now. Yeah, I'm, I'm in communication with, with these because, because it's first of all, it's got my name on it.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  So it, you know, it's, it's has to do with my brand and, and we're just, we're vested in, in, in it and interested in it. So we're, I mean, I, all this, the, the, I mean, I'm also. Yeah, I mean, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we spend, you know, we're, we're multiple times a week. If not every single day, I'm communicating with those brands. Uh, and, and, you know, either discussing, okay, promotional this or, or product development or, you know, whatever, whatever. Yeah, we're, we're.

• 55:55Sam Parr?

  So I, um, I, uh, I, I think I told you, I, I had started this company and sold it. And, uh, when I was 30, so I was able to like, uh, financially get some, some, some really nice security there.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:08Sam Parr?

  And I look at the type of life that you live where, um, so I also, I split time between Austin and New York. My wife's from New York and so we, we spend there all the time. And I have a handful of projects, uh, that I'm working on. I got a, a, a company with a CEO, uh, that runs it. So a, a bit similar ish to, to what you're doing and God willing, some of them will be huge. What I'm curious about, because there's aren't that many people in the situation where I want to go to. Um, and where I'm in now, but you definitely are, uh, which is how do you break up? How are you, how do you map out your personal finances? So because you said that you have this one farm as a project. You have three or four, five different businesses right now.

• 56:52Sam Parr?

  You have two, or who knows what you have, how much real estate. Do you just like, is there just like one revenue stream where you're like, that's just the, like, for example, the app might have high margins. So you're like, oh, we'll just live off that or media appearances. I bet you I can just pay, I, I can make a million bucks a year and that will be what I live off of. And then all the rest, I'm gonna reinvest or I'll put into the Vanguard, just normal index fund. How does that, how do, how do you balance all your different things when it comes to a personal finance base?

• 57:22Speaker 00

  I mean, well, I, first of all, I have. Smarter people at that than me. So I have, I have, I have, I have the, you know, I have people that, that, you know, I specifically, specifically a woman that I work, that we've worked with for a very long time that does like, you know, management, that, that sort of stuff. I would say, uh, account, accounting and, and finance management, just because that's, she's into it and, and, and good at it. And that's what she's interested in. So we, we have it, we have that, you know, that's a big, a big piece of it. I, I, I think that, uh, you know, I, I think one of the,

• 58:05Speaker 00

  I mean, for me personally,

• 58:09Speaker 00

  I don't, I, I think that, that that can be a, a, a such a consuming hole like that, all of that stuff that you can just get swallowed into that and, and lose every, you know, lose your connection with everything as well. I think that you have to, I, I, you know, a, well, a part of it has to do with how you look at it. Like what's your, what's your, you know, what's your faith, you know, like what kind of faith do you have? What kind of belief do you have? That everything's going well or not going well. And do you think that you're going to control everything and that, you know, how much control do you think you have and all those things? I think that's a piece of my, I think of my, my philosophy.

• 58:52Sam Parr?

  So does that mean that you just don't stress out a significant amount about finances? And like earlier, you said, when I bought that house, you, you were like, oh, that was a lot of money for us back then. But I was like, fuck it. We're doing it anyway. We'll figure it out.

• 59:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:03Sam Parr?

  That's kind of like your, your, how you live when it comes to finances.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. Which is, which I, I think for a lot of people, they just can't operate like that. And I think, I think, I think for me, I just feel that just feels more.

• 59:17Speaker 00

  That just feels better. I, I, I just feel that feels more natural. I just feel like, you know, because, because I, I've just, you know, I've just seen, I, first of all, I've had the, I've had the fortune to be exposed to a lot of wealthy people in my life, like a lot of crazy wealth and, and, and seen people that had no, nothing and all of a sudden they got everything. And I've seen people with everything and they lose everything. And so I've gotten to watch a lot of it and I just feel like, you know, there, there's a level of imprisonment that happens when you, when you, you know, and, and I think, I mean, a lot, that's why when I say faith, I mean, you know, they talk about, about, you know, you, you saving up, you know, in your warehouse

• 1:00:02Speaker 00

  with, you know, where moth and rust can eat, you know, like, you know, like, there's some stuff to do with that, I think, which I think you can't, you can't always, it's not so simple to, to, to, to be that way. And I think it's harder for, uh, you know, I think it's, it's a hard, it's hard for people to, to, to operate like that. But having that, you know, having that belief, it's like the people talk about visualization and visualizing and, you know, having that, I mean, it's real. That's, that's the real stuff. Like if, if you think it's not real, you're, you're mistaken that you, you, you, you think you can, you can make things, your belief in it definitely

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  will be supportive of it happening. I can tell you that for sure. In both ways, right? Like in both ways, you can make things be, you know, like Gabby says, if you have an ouch, God will give you a hurt, you know? If you walk around going ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, you'll be surprised if stuff isn't just hitting you all the time. And so, and I think vice versa, it's the same way, the other way, which is, you know, uh, what is that? If, you know, ye, oh, ye of little faith, I provide for the birds. You don't think I'll provide for you? Like, so there's some of that. That's real stuff. Like, they didn't just make that stuff up out of the sky. That's a real, that's real thing. So I think there's something to be said about that. It doesn't mean be stupid and, you know, and doesn't mean just, uh, you know, just ignore your, your reality. But, but

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  there is something about that that's real, that, that I think can put you in the right state of mind to not just be.

• 1:01:40Speaker 00

  Caged by this stuff because this is a caging area. That's an area that we can be caged by.

• 1:01:45Sam Parr?

  No, I and I'm I'm one of them. I'm I I I'm caged by it's like when I was broke and then I was not broke. And I'm like, oh, shit, I've just like created a prison a little bit where you get where you stress out over running out.

• 1:01:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Sam Parr?

  Cause we're definitely a battle I find.

• 1:02:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're scarcity creatures, right? So we have this whole scarcity thing that's in us, right? So so and, you know, my mom had another good saying, which was be the way God punishes you is he gives you what you ask for. So be careful what you ask for because you go, hey, I just want that, you know? I want that big house. And then you're like, yeah. And then all of a sudden with that house comes all this other stuff like all the stuff that comes with it, which means that there's a bunch of stuff to break and there's a bunch of thing and there's a bunch of stuff to maintain. And there's a, you know, it's so it and you know, and that can be overwhelming. I think I think that, you know,

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  that's why you see these guys that are these big, these big hitters, they're they're kind of, they're not bogged down by all that little stuff, right? They're not, they're looking in, they're looking in in in at a at a bit at a bigger, um, a bigger thing. But that being said, you know, uh,

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  you know, like I said, there is there's something about being prudent and and having the right people around you that could that that you because it's it takes it, it takes a, what do they say? It takes a village, but it take, you know, you got to have, you got to have people that to help because there's not, you can't do everything you can, you know, and it's like, and so that you you need to be, you're only as good as, you know, as the company you keep. So I think that that's another important piece too, like people.

• 1:03:27Sam Parr?

  Well, uh, no, I mean, and that that's one of the reasons why I look up to you. We've had, um, I don't know if you know Rob Dyrdek is, but he's pretty amazing where he's another guy where I'm like Laird and Rob, they've nailed it where business nailed it. Personal life, you never have totally nailed that, but you're like, or do really well. Fitness nailed it like self-awareness nailed it. Um, I know you, um, we'll we'll wrap up here in a minute, but my last question was, um, I think last year on your guys' YouTube, Gabby asked you, what are your goals for, it was at the end of 2022. She said, what are your goals for 2023? You go, uh, this year I want to be more of a savage. I want to be more, I want to do more savage stuff. Like I want to get like dirty and do something.

• 1:04:10Sam Parr?

  What is an example, we're, we're more than halfway through the year. What's an example of something that you've done so far that's savage? And you also talked about visualization over the next six months and 18 months. Are there any particular experiences or goals that you're trying to do? That would be, that would check that box of being more of a savage?

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, I mean, listen, I have the nature.

• 1:04:34Sam Parr?

  For me here, I'll, I'll, I'll give you an example. For me, I've always wanted to kill an animal. I wanted to go and kill a deer or some type of, I have cows on my ranch. I was like, I want to slaughter it with my hands and I want to eat it. I was like, I don't do that enough and I eat a ton of meat. I gotta do that.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Sam Parr?

  And like, that's my, that's, that's an example for me, which is not that very, uh, that's not too savage, but what do you have?

• 1:04:55Speaker 00

  Well, I go for, I go, uh, I go for moose, you know, I go for a moose, I go for probably in September, I'll be, I'll go get a moose and, and so I can fill the cool, fill the freezers for the winter. But I grew up at a farm too, so I'm already, I've dealt with the, you know, and I've hunted when I was a kid. We hunted boar and stuff like that. I mean, for me, that the savage stuff comes more with the, with the, with the ocean, you know, like with, with the conditions. I had one trip already to, uh, uh, I had one trip to Peru this summer. I mean, we're just, my, my, most of my savage stuff comes from the environment.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  So I need to, you know, and, and, and normally, you know, I mean, listen, I, I just, we had that giant Malibu fire. I had to, I had, I fought my house for, you know, I fought that fire.

• 1:05:46Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 1:05:47Speaker 00

  Four or five hours with a suit and pump. And, and then I had a flood in Hawaii after and I was like, you know, at night with boats, you know, rescuing people off the top of their roofs of their houses and stuff. And so I have to be careful, um, what I ask for. Because before both of those things, I said, I just need some action, you know, I just, so again, you know, back to what my mom said, be careful what you ask for.

• 1:06:13Sam Parr?

  Be careful, yes.

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, you gotta clarify. So you have to clarify what, uh, you know, what, what that. What that is, you know, I think it's because it's easy to make a blanket statement. I just wanna, you know, it's like I said when I was young, I wanted to be surrounded by women. Uh, you know, that go, yeah, I just wanna be surrounded by women like, and then

• 1:06:30Sam Parr?

  Now you are, right?

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  And then I, yeah, I have three daughters. So, you know, again, I should have been a little more, um, uh, how clear in my definition.

• 1:06:40Sam Parr?

  Do you, do you read a lot of books?

• 1:06:42Speaker 00

  Um, I listen to a lot of books, but I read, I read some and I'll read and listen, but I, but I listen to a lot.

• 1:06:49Sam Parr?

  What are the best two that you've listened to in the last 12 or 18 months?

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  Oh, um, well, I did, I did, I liked, uh, there was a book called Life After Life that I really, um, I, I really enjoyed, um, by, uh, what's his name? Moody. Um, and then, uh, let me see the, uh,

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  you know, there's a, there's a gnarly, a really pretty heavy one called Embrace the Fearless, uh, Embrace Fearlessly the Burning World by, uh, Barry Lopez. He's, he's pretty radical. Um, and then I went, I went full conspiracy. Uh, oh, actually the, the psychology of totalitarianism was pretty, was a pretty heavy book.

• 1:07:40Sam Parr?

  That's the one you were referring to when you said you went full conspiracy?

• 1:07:43Speaker 00

  No, the, the full conspiracy was called The Trap. That one's called The Trap. Um, I, I go, I kinda go all over the place. I have a really good one on water right now. Uh, you know, I, I'm, uh, I, I like fiction, I, I like, you know, I like factual books. I'm not, I'm not a big fiction guy. I like, I like

• 1:08:03Sam Parr?

  Can I give you, um, let me give you, so I read a ton. I read about, I, I only read history, basically. So mostly historical stuff. But I'm going to give you three, three in particular that I, I thought that you would like.

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  You know Dan Carlin?

• 1:08:17Sam Parr?

  Of course, Hardcore History.

• 1:08:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, because Dan, we know Dan. Dan's a buddy of ours.

• 1:08:21Sam Parr?

  Really? He's cool.

• 1:08:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:22Sam Parr?

  I'm gonna give you three in particular that you're gonna dig.

• 1:08:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:08:26Sam Parr?

  The first is called The Wager. So the first two books I'm suggesting are ship books. It's about shipping ships in the 1800s.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:08:35Sam Parr?

  So the first one's called The Wager. And so these crazy guys would sail, you know, their 1800s ship.

• 1:08:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Sam Parr?

  From England all the way down through Argentina.

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  Cape Horn.

• 1:08:46Sam Parr?

  Argentina and.

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  Cape Horn.

• 1:08:47Sam Parr?

  Cape Horn.

• 1:08:47Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:08:48Sam Parr?

  And they got stranded and it took them two years to get back.

• 1:08:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:08:51Sam Parr?

  So you'll dig that one. The second one is called The Heart of the Sea. It's this, if you ever read Moby Dick.

• 1:08:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Sam Parr?

  About the whale that sinks the ship.

• 1:08:59Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:08:59Sam Parr?

  There's actually a true story behind it. And so Nantucket originally was for Quakers.

• 1:09:04Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:09:04Sam Parr?

  Who were whalemen.

• 1:09:05Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:09:05Sam Parr?

  And so these whalemen, which they were, they're fucking animals. You wanna be talking about savage. Imagine sailing a ship with no electricity, no like way to talk to anyone for two years, all the way over sometimes to the Pacific, to Africa.

• 1:09:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:18Sam Parr?

  And they, um, basically their ship was sunk in the middle of the Pacific and it's about how they got back to South America. And then the last one that I think you'll really dig, because I wanted to give you three books on being a savage. The last one was called Undaunted Courage, and it's about the story of Lewis and Clark.

• 1:09:36Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:09:37Sam Parr?

  Lewis and Clark's, they were, they were savages.

• 1:09:40Speaker 00

  They were.

• 1:09:40Sam Parr?

  In a good way.

• 1:09:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I, I like their zone. I've been up in Washington where their, where their, their trail was in their, their hardcore. Those guys are.

• 1:09:49Sam Parr?

  They're honorable, but they were bad to the fucking bone.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. What I liked is they weren't, they weren't killing anybody. They were just, they were making maps. So.

• 1:09:59Sam Parr?

  Yeah. And they would meet these natives and they were like, hey, we're, we're, we're in peace. We're gonna be cool with you. But it took them two years, two years and four months to go from St. Louis to the Pacific and back. And it's a crazy story.

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Sam Parr?

  So those are the three that I would recommend for you. And then I just finished a story about John Wilkes Booth, the guy who killed Abe Lincoln and the 12 day manhunt to find him. So I read a ton of that stuff.

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, there was a great, I just had an ocean one too, that I can't remember what it is that uh it's about the uh oh, what's it called? I can't. Anyway, there was a great one, a sailing one about the race from Hobart, like the race from New Zealand. Uh, the, the one that they do.

• 1:10:40Sam Parr?

  And there's like, is there, is there a storm? Is there a storm in that one?

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, crazy storm and the, and the boat and the, the guys get, yeah, it's, it's, it's intense. The, um, that race.

• 1:10:52Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I love reading that stuff.

• 1:10:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:55Sam Parr?

  Those, those stories, you know, I, I work on my computer throughout the day. The, the, the hardest points in my life are if I go boxing or if I have a hard workout and I'm like, I need some pain in my life in order to realize that like.

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:07Sam Parr?

  Uh, to turn down my, the volume of my daily life because my daily life is soft, so I need to read about something hard because I can't exactly go and experience lots of hard things. So this is why I like, like reading about these books, particularly the ship books. So I thought you, you, you'd get a kick out of those.

• 1:11:21Speaker 00

  Absolutely. Well, yeah, cause those are, those are, I mean, at sea is a real thing. And especially those guys weren't exactly uh watermen too. Like you fall off the boat, you die, those guys.

• 1:11:32Sam Parr?

  Some of them couldn't even swim, which is crazy.

• 1:11:34Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying. They weren't exactly watermen. They weren't exactly like, they were, yeah, no.

• 1:11:40Sam Parr?

  They couldn't even swim and they would live on a ship for 20 years of their life. They didn't even know how to swim. And also if you fell off a ship in the ocean, those, those sailboats, they, or the ships, they can't turn around exactly. You know what I mean? So they just fucking left you. You're like, you're done.

• 1:11:53Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is uh, that's hardcore. Well, we, we live in a pretty soft time right now. This is a pretty.

• 1:12:01Sam Parr?

  It is soft. It is soft, which I'm thankful for in some capacity. Like, you know, like.

• 1:12:06Speaker 00

  There's no doubt.

• 1:12:06Sam Parr?

  But like, so, so that's why I, I think particularly young men, I think.

• 1:12:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Sam Parr?

  Well, that's why they like you, I think, is because they see you risking your life on, on a wave. And then they'd like, all right, well, I'm not willing to risk my life in a wave, but I'll go to a pool and lift out and work, uh, move weights at the bottom of the pool. Cause at least uh, that's a little bit of hard, you know what I mean? I think that's why a lot of young men admire you.

• 1:12:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, the stress is good. It's it. We need it. We're designed for it. You know, that kind of constructive stress that you can control the environment. Uh, and and because it's the other one, if you induce it, you you don't always have the. You don't have as much participation in the outcome if it's just being sub. If you're being subjected to it, you know, like a giant wave. It it can decide not to let you up versus at least in the pool, you can always just. Let go of your weights and swim to the surface, but we kind of have to induce it now. It's almost like we're forced it. You know, a lot of the stuff that we're doing is we're inducing. Things that we were getting naturally, like we were getting it from. It's like now we don't get enough sun, so we got to supplement and take vitamin D. It's like. We're having this. We're having to make up for the fact that we're not.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  Getting a lot of this stuff that we need biologically and then that's and that's stress. That's why the heat and ice is great. That's why the breath work was great. That's why the pool stuff is great because it's it's a one of one of the ways to stress to stress the system. Because the system really needs for it to to really work correctly. It needs a certain amount of stress and not. Stress of, hey, I owe taxes or hey, I'm in in the traffic, but. Like some other stresses a little more. You know, a little more just purely physical. So.

• 1:13:42Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I remember um, looking at uh, buying a treadmill for my desk and then I like was like, what the fuck am I doing? This life, I'm gonna put a a fucking walking treadmill on a desk.

• 1:13:53Speaker 00

  We don't walk enough.

• 1:13:55Sam Parr?

  I smacked myself. I was like, this is not the life, man. I'm this is literally a hamster wheel. What am I doing? I'm not buying a treadmill for a desk. If I gotta buy a treadmill for a desk, my I'm I'm broken. I've lost.

• 1:14:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, but we're almost forced into that. So we don't. I mean, it's like I was, like I said, I was in Europe and all they do is walk over there, you know, it's like they do a lot of walking. We don't walk as nearly as much because we just don't live in those. I mean, I guess in New York you can. You know, where you have where you can just, if you want, you could just. There you can you force yourself. You have to force yourself, but in Europe, they really do it a lot. They do a lot of walking. And you realize how. Well, we we our system really does well with walking like we're designed. We're walkers like that's our one of our big evolutions was that we. Came up off all fours and started walking and so our metabolism and everything just. Functions a lot better when we walk. And so uh, it's it's, you know, like you said, now we're having to like.

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  Buy things so we can stand in a room and walk. It's terrible.

• 1:14:55Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I know. I almost bought one and then I was going, I like went through an existential crisis. I'm like, what am I doing? I don't have to do this. I'm not gonna

• 1:15:02Speaker 00

  Better to go, better to just force yourself to go for a walk in the park or something, you know? Make them, make time.

• 1:15:09Sam Parr?

  Right. Well, I appreciate you doing this. I really admire you. I admire the family you've built, the life that you've built. I'm excited that we were able to talk.

• 1:15:18Speaker 00

  Sam, I really appreciate your time and thank you. I appreciate the admiration and you know what? It seems like you're already, you're already there already. So that's the, that's it.

• 1:15:30Sam Parr?

  I'm basically, I read history because I like to see the mistakes as well as the wins that people have made. And that's one of the reasons why I like following you is I'm just like, what wins did he make? And you know, that kind of helps point to me to a direction. What mistakes did he make? I'm going to try and avoid that one and hopefully it works out. But you've definitely kind of paved the path for me and a bunch of other people. So I appreciate that.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  I think, I think that's one of the things that makes humans unique is that we can learn from the other people. You know, how to and how not to. It's like, so that's the, that's a, that's one of the things that really helps us, you know? Is that we can, if we can, I mean, the best is to learn from other people's mistakes. You know, but we have a tendency sometimes to need to make them ourselves. That's part of, part of being human, I think too. So.

• 1:16:18Sam Parr?

  All right. I appreciate you, man. Thanks for coming.