Tom Brady on Favorite Super Bowl, Kelce v Gronk, Belichick Debate & Why the NFL is Hard | EP 198

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  To realize the future America needs, we understand what's needed from us to face each threat head on. We've earned our place in the fight for our nation's future. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 0:14Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  On offense, it's important to prevent problems from the moment the ball is snapped.

• 0:22Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 0:32Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 0:34Speaker 02

  My mouth specifically?

• 0:36Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah. All the nasty stuff. But the good news is you can prevent these problems before they start with Colgate Total Active Prevention. It's like having a good offensive line for your mouth.

• 0:59Travis Kelce?

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• 1:06Speaker 02

  And it's not just one contributing player either. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, and a special toothbrush.

• 1:14Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 1:16Speaker 02

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• 1:24Travis Kelce?

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• 1:28Speaker 02

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• 1:30Travis Kelce?

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• 1:35Speaker 02

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• 1:41Travis Kelce?

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• 1:49Speaker 02

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• 1:54Travis Kelce?

  And if you get the black card, unlock recovery amenities. Plus, bring a friend with you every single visit.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Get started today at Planet Fitness or learn more at planetfitness.com. Do you have a favorite Gronk story?

• 2:08Speaker 03

  I got a good one. I got a good one. All right. You know, like a lot of receivers, tight ends will work on catching drills.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  Hit the jugs machine, you know, 100 catches and all the receivers did it. I never saw Gronk ever do any catching drill, ever. Every ball I'd throw to Gronk, like he'd have these big white gloves, right? And when he put his hands up like this, it looked like the top of a trash can that I would try to hit. And he would go. With like, he had like a smile on his face. The ball would just stick to his hands, right? So it was like unbelievable. So one day, it's like his, it's like third year in the league, all right? And we're at practice and I throw him a ball and it like hits like the palm of his hands and like falls on the ground. And Gronk looks at me and is like, what, what was that? Like, what just happened? So he goes, Tommy, throw me the ball again.

• 2:57Speaker 03

  And I took the ball and I fired it at him and he caught it. And he, it was like, he gained his confidence.

• 3:04Travis Kelce?

  Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to New Heights. We got a special episode with me and Jason in the same room. This never fucking happens. This never happens. It is the best.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  There's like a scent to you that I just like being around.

• 3:27Travis Kelce?

  It's called Louis Vuitton Imagination.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Do you know that perfumes actually use foul or rotten things in their perfumes? Because it lasts longer and elicits certain pheromone responses out of the nostrils?

• 3:41Travis Kelce?

  This show is brought to you by Expedia. That's right. The place you go to go places. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. Here's my big brother Jason Kelce. Jason always knows a little bit too much about everything. And you just caught that firsthand here in the early stages of this interview.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  I know just enough to be dumb enough.

• 3:58Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. You gotta love it, man. Um, I don't have a script in front of me. So I think this is where I say follow the show on all social media, add New Heights with one S for fun clips throughout the week. And Jason is now going to tell you what we have coming up this week.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  That's right. Ninety-two percenters, uh, we've got another great episode. We are ending this season with an all time guest, the most accomplished, greatest football player in the history of the game.

• 4:25Travis Kelce?

  Season finale.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Season finale.

• 4:27Travis Kelce?

  Tom Brady is on the show.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 4:30Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you talking about Tom Brady?

• 4:31Speaker 02

  That's right. All you Patriots that love Travis Kelce, Tom Brady's coming on the show. You're gonna love it.

• 4:37Travis Kelce?

  Hey, Pat's fans.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's get into some new news.

• 4:41Travis Kelce?

  New news.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Before we get to that. All right. New news brought to you by American Express. It's the end of the road. The season is finally done. This season is finally done in New Heights. Do you have a favorite highlight?

• 4:51Travis Kelce?

  I mean, the live show is it's it's it's fresh. It's fresh, but god damn, that was a fucking fun one.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  It was. It was a great job. Shout out to Amazon. Shout out to Enterprise. Everybody who helped put that thing on, the set design. It was so much fun. I didn't know how it was gonna work out. We were talking, you know, the whole team, we were talking that we're gonna have a soccer hoop there, we're gonna have a basketball hoop. We're gonna have turf. I'm like, how the fuck is this gonna work? And it ended up going off without a hitch, surprisingly.

• 5:20Travis Kelce?

  Thankfully, you actually dunked, which.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Was it an actual dunk? Does that actually?

• 5:25Travis Kelce?

  No, it was 100% actual dunk. It was 100%. You've done it. You've dunked. You have done it. So you dunked and on top of that, you stoned Alex Morgan. So two.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Pregnant Alex Morgan.

• 5:37Travis Kelce?

  Which was a little bit of a low blow, but you know what? You gotta take your chances when you can.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Listen, Tim coached me and he said, you gotta get in their head. I got the bobsled suit out. So that threw her out of her game right away. And it was also a shorter net, so I didn't have to leap as far.

• 5:52Travis Kelce?

  Alex went up there like, alright, I'm just gonna fire one in. Hopefully he doesn't. And you fucking full on.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Oh, I went all, I'm going.

• 6:00Travis Kelce?

  Guess the right side airborne. There's gotta be a slow mo.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  The look on Alex's face.

• 6:07Travis Kelce?

  Somebody's gotta have a slow mo of that.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  The funniest part was the reaction from the crowd. They didn't know whether to cheer or not.

• 6:13Travis Kelce?

  Immediately, doo doo, ooh.

• 6:18Travis Kelce?

  And you get up like you won the Super Bowl.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  I did. I just stopped the fucking penalty kick from a fucking World Cup champion, the best goal scorer in US women's history.

• 6:28Travis Kelce?

  That's crazy. You're hilarious. I'm sorry for my brother, Alex. I'm sorry.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  And I get to say that the first time I ever dunked a basketball was in the Orpheum Theater in front of thousands of people.

• 6:38Travis Kelce?

  With an alley.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  With an alley from Will Ferrell.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 6:44Travis Kelce?

  What life are we living?

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Couldn't have happened in a better way.

• 6:47Travis Kelce?

  It's uh, it's been a hell of a year.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  When's the first time you dunked?

• 6:49Travis Kelce?

  I'm in Rockwell Middle School, yeah.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  That was probably pretty cool too.

• 6:58Travis Kelce?

  I was like 5'11", yeah, yeah, just.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  The daily throw the alley-oop?

• 7:02Travis Kelce?

  I mean, yeah, it was, it was the daily, yeah. Uh, no, we were, man, it's so long ago. I think I remember being in a like, dead, like a drenched sweat. Like I had like gym class. I had like been trying to do this for like my entire time in gym class.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:19Travis Kelce?

  And I finally got it. Very similar to you. Not as much pull on the rim, but flushed it in, yeah.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Flushed it in. Good penultimate step.

• 7:26Travis Kelce?

  Yep. No, I was a one foot jumper back then.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  One foot?

• 7:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  Not left or right?

• 7:29Travis Kelce?

  Start from like the fucking rafters and just.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Just build up as much as possible. All right. Well, we will be back for season five with all new episodes starting September 2nd. Travis is off to training camp. For everybody that is new to the show, uh, we take this time off because Travis is way too busy to record a podcast. He's getting ready for an NFL season and we do not have the time. Training camp at the NFL, he's going to go to St. Joe's University.

• 7:53Travis Kelce?

  St. Joe, Missouri, Missouri Western State University.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Philadelphia, St. Joe, Missouri.

• 7:59Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to the Griffins.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  And, uh, where they will be, I mean, knee deep in sweat and, and all sorts of other bodily fluids that nobody else wants to be around.

• 8:09Travis Kelce?

  How is that?

• 8:10Speaker 02

  For, I mean, all day, they'll sleep together. They might, you know, play tummy sticks. I don't know what might happen. It's very.

• 8:18Travis Kelce?

  Tummy sticks? That sounds like a Philly thing. We never had that.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  You never did that?

• 8:22Travis Kelce?

  No, we never played tummy sticks.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Oh, you're missing out.

• 8:26Travis Kelce?

  This guy's insane.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  Stick around to the end of the episode for some exclusive clips from our live show. Uh, we are ending the season with some of our favorite live no dumb questions.

• 8:36Travis Kelce?

  Nice. Ending the season with Tom Brady, pretty epic. Starting it with Taylor, pretty epic.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:44Travis Kelce?

  Um, and the start of like during that recording, the entire time I'm planning. Like I'm gonna ask this woman to marry me after this, so. Yeah, those were probably two other like really cool moments of this season. Obviously, the, the beginning of it with Taylor is one I'll remember forever, so.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it's, it's by far most viewed episode of all time.

• 9:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was pretty fun.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was incredible. I've never been more.

• 9:09Travis Kelce?

  What was, what was, what was one that, uh, that sticks out to you throughout the year? Can't use either one of mine. Put his ass on the spot.

• 9:16Travis Kelce?

  We had a lot of good ones, Jason.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  I know, we did have a lot of good ones. Um, what would, out of, I mean, I just, what is gonna be even comparable to the two that you just named? I don't know.

• 9:26Travis Kelce?

  From what, I mean, we did a lot of actors.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  Cabrio was kinda nice.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I, I, like, they're, but I can't like.

• 9:32Travis Kelce?

  Clooney, I don't know.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  George Clooney, Affleck. Do we have Sandler on again?

• 9:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, no? That was the previous one?

• 9:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Will was the previous one, or he went on the show?

• 9:42Travis Kelce?

  No, that was previous.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  God damn it.

• 9:45Travis Kelce?

  Jackass.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Johnny Knoxville.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  That's another one, very current.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Alan, Riegel, Hart.

• 9:53Travis Kelce?

  Hadrick.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Dude, that.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Alan Iverson.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  Aaron Andrews, Kristen Thompson.

• 9:59Travis Kelce?

  From the rafters, this has been a hell of a year.

• 10:01Speaker 04

  Kylie again, both of the times, Kylie.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  I mean, I talk to her every day.

• 10:07Travis Kelce?

  Don't you do that to Kylie.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Randy Moss, Jameis Winston.

• 10:11Travis Kelce?

  You should be lucky you get to talk to Kylie every day.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Jameis Winston.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  Jameis Winston was great, I mean, I, there's Gosling, there are, they're all, they're all so good.

• 10:20Travis Kelce?

  Oh, Greg and George.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  Conan.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Conan, god damn. Yeah, there's too many, I don't even know where to go with that.

• 10:27Travis Kelce?

  Nice, that was a fun little like, uh, memory lane there for season, what is this, four?

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Four, we're going on to five, yeah.

• 10:33Travis Kelce?

  This time's flying.

• 10:35Speaker 02

  The Riegel and Hart going back and forth was one of my, that was a.

• 10:38Travis Kelce?

  That was a blast.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  They, they were, they were great together.

• 10:42Travis Kelce?

  Riegel and Kevin Hart, man.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:44Travis Kelce?

  That was too funny, the fixins, man.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, the fixes.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Well, that's it for new news brought to you by American Express. It's time Travis to toss it to our guest.

• 10:56Travis Kelce?

  Let's do it.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:57Travis Kelce?

  Toss it to old Tom Brady. Jason, you want to do the, uh, the intro?

• 11:00Speaker 02

  Sure. Uh, this conversation is brought to you by Xfinity. All righty, our guest today is the six foot four quarterback from the University of Michigan. The 199th pick of the 2000 NFL Draft, 15 time Pro Bowler, 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year, three time NFL MVP, only starting quarterback to win the Super Bowl, both the AFC and the NFC. He's got seven Super Bowl championships, five Super Bowl MVPs. 92% of us, please welcome the most decorated man in the history of our game, Tom Brady.

• 11:37Travis Kelce?

  We got the goat.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Man, I gotta hire you. Come on the road with me. I'd never had an intro like, I've done a lot of shit. Yeah. I've never had an intro like that.

• 11:45Travis Kelce?

  Hey, just sign me up, baby. Sign me up. Only the best for you, big dog. We gotta, we gotta settle it right here, right now, though. You're, you're one and one against the Kelsey brothers in the Super Bowl, dog. How do we, how do we figure this out? How do we break the tie? We gotta get on the golf course somewhere. We gotta get a few drinking games going. What do we gotta do?

• 12:03Speaker 03

  I think we should. I'm, I'm definitely down for some golf with you too. You know, I love that. Although Trav, I have seen your swing and I'm not, I'm afraid that like you, you would just roll over me. I mean, you got that thing dialed. Jay, I don't know. You probably have had a little more time post career, but Trav's got a ridiculous golf swing.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Trav is very, uh, I keep telling people, he's gonna be a plus handicap when he really gets done playing. He's, he's a stick.

• 12:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  And he's also, he just got his new driver. We played at Bel Air yesterday, smoking it like 360. I'm like, what?

• 12:33Travis Kelce?

  Damn. Same, same driver, new flight.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Oh, is that what it is?

• 12:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it's just going straight.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  You've had a unique athleticism, Trav. I will say that.

• 12:43Travis Kelce?

  I appreciate that.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  Silky, smooth route runner, like incredible feel out there. Like, I think if I played with you, you would have had 110, 120 a year. And not that you don't have that with Patrick, but I liked your style of play because I feel like there was a way you ran routes and you always had an ability to like, you know, feel the coverage and then turn in when they told you to turn up, but who cares? Because you're open. And Julian did that a little for me. Wes did that a lot for me. Some guys don't really have that feel, but I just watch you play and I'm like, like that. Just like that.

• 13:17Travis Kelce?

  I appreciate that, big guy. And I definitely took a lot of like notes from Jules and Edelman and even Gronk on, I mean, watching you guys, you guys were unbelievable at being on the same page.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:28Travis Kelce?

  And you could just tell you guys were in sync and the guys that were running the routes were that, even if they made a decision that wasn't, you know, so-called in the playbook, essentially. It felt like everybody was always friendly and making it definitive enough for you. And, but I appreciate that, big dog. Jason's, he's more of a, he's the kind of guy that...

• 13:50Speaker 03

  I feel like Jason had the same, in his own way, like the center style of play, his own unique way of getting the job done. And Jay, you probably weren't the biggest guy, but you always played with great leverage, always, communication was probably on point. I don't think I would have motherfucked you very often. I motherfucked the centers a lot. But you, I feel like you would have gone right back at me and I'd have been stuck because I'd have been like, oh shit, he's probably right.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  No, I, I, listen, I, so I tell, we've talked about this earlier this year. I know you're being funny a little bit, but we were just talking about being on the same page. And so we were talking training camp earlier. Tom and the Patriots had a joint practice with us early on. And he talking about motherfucking people. We were having the Patriots come in and the biggest thing we took away was the leadership and ownership that Tom took over everything. And this just in like a training camp practice. And like, hey, motherfucker, come in motion. Like if you, he was yelling at guys, not going in motion, not doing the right thing. You could tell you guys were so dialed in as a group and it all started with you. I would have gladly been motherfucked to be honest with you.

• 14:52Travis Kelce?

  Dude, that's the thing. You gotta be willing to get motherfucked out here, man. You gotta be willing to get that. That's why I love having my guy Eric Biennium back in the building, man, because guys are getting motherfucked all over the field. And all of a sudden, you get a little bit more of a sense of urgency going and you get a little more focused in like, oh shit, I can't be the one getting motherfucked today, like.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  I know. And Trav, I think that was kind of like when I started, that was the norm for football players, like high school, college, pros. It was all about like.

• 15:19Travis Kelce?

  Old school ball coaches.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Where's the urgency to get it right? And Bill would always say something really good to us as a team. He always come in and say, you know, you have Wednesday practice, Thursday practice, Friday. He would say, you know, come in on Wednesday morning, be like, listen, don't go out there and mess up a bunch of things today. We can't do them over on Thursday. We got a whole nother pile of, you know, stuff to put in Thursday. And then on Friday, same thing, like lock in, today's a big day. And, and that just created always this urgency for our team. And I felt like, you know, I took a lot of things away from my time in New England and, you know, obviously I thought I had like a lot like you guys, you know, you have great teammates and you have people that are going to be friends for life because you were all doing this really challenging thing together. But there was

• 16:03Speaker 03

  like an urgency, whether it was May to have the best OTA we could have, or end of July when we had our first training camp. Like, we had to have great practices every day because the competition is year round in the NFL. And if we were going to beat the other good teams, well, they were, they were having good practices, so we needed to have a good practice. And just day in and day out, I think there was a, there was definitely a stress to it. That was, there was an intensity, a stress to practice. Like, I can't go out there and just, you know, suck today at practice because I set the tone for the whole team. So I developed like this competitive urgency within myself. And you can feel that certainly all those years in, Jay, when we would come and practice against you guys. But I was

• 16:48Speaker 03

  locked in and I just felt like if I did that, well, then the other guys had to do it. And if they had to do it, then the coaches had to do it. And then it just kind of volleyed off one another. And, you know, we didn't win them all, but, you know, we were competitive probably. Most, you know, in almost all the games I played, and I think it was for the, for those reasons.

• 17:04Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah. Being able to challenge that fucking inner competitor every fucking day and about every single detail. That's, I mean, you're doing that in the, in the dog days, man. That's just gonna show up in the fucking games for sure.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, we, we talk about it all the time. When you're, when your best player is the guy that is doing all this and he cares that much and he's holding, that's the guy who usually sets the standard. And if he's just naturally that gifted and he doesn't have all these other things and all these other guys also need to be applying and whether it's the time in studying, the time in knowing what you're doing, uh, the time in communicating, all that stuff, that's gotta be from the top down. And when the quarterback does it, it just makes all the difference. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Expedia.

• 17:52Travis Kelce?

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• 17:58Speaker 02

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• 18:10Travis Kelce?

  And when you bundle, you can save up to 30%, everything you need in one app.

• 18:15Speaker 02

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• 18:22Travis Kelce?

  That's the beauty of having everything in one app. You can go from an idea to booked in minutes. No jumping in between sites, no hassle.

• 18:30Speaker 02

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• 18:32Travis Kelce?

  Expedia, the one place you go to go places.

• 18:36Speaker 02

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• 18:39Travis Kelce?

  Doesn't matter what you've got planned. A good summer should feel like a breath of fresh air.

• 18:45Speaker 02

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• 18:53Travis Kelce?

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• 20:18Travis Kelce?

  Restrictions apply. Speeds vary. Use of fiber coaxial cable. We gonna get Mendoza out there motherfucking some guys or what?

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Hey, I think, I think it's in them. I think it's a mother fricking them.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, there we go, there we go.

• 20:37Speaker 03

  We'll get it out of them somehow. It won't take that long in the NFL to like be like, all right, this is the way stuff gets done and this is the urgency I gotta create.

• 20:46Travis Kelce?

  Mother fricking them is so good, man.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  I think too, like if you think about it, a lot of guys have had so many people tell them how good they are. And I again, something that's unique in the NFL, like you're a high school player, you're probably the best team, the player on your team. So it all goes pretty well. Then you go to college and you're probably one of the top five on your team. So everything goes pretty well. But you finally get to the pros, you got an agent that tells you how good you are all the time. You have a significant other that tells you how good you are. You have a mom that tells you how good you are. You have a dad. So in the end, who really tells you the truth, you know, and who tells you where you need to get better? And that's the role of the head coach. Like he has to be the one that says, I don't give a shit what you know, the, the blog says, or the, the daily writer. I care about what, what I think.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  It's my vision for the team. And again, I was blessed to have Coach Belichick, who I believe is the greatest head coach of all time. I think Andy's like that to a degree. I know he's a different style. But there's part of it that that position, like you can't be like, hey, man, let's go out there and have a great day. Like, we're gonna have so much fun. And like, you know, something goes wrong. And it's like, oh, don't worry, we'll fix it tomorrow. And like, everyone leaves every day feeling like they were great and they did great. But the reality is, they're not really prepared for what's coming on Sunday. Because NFL football is hard. And to beat the Chiefs or to beat the Eagles in a Super Bowl is hard. You better, if you play one of the best teams in the league, and in this instance, like I played both you guys in Super Bowl,

• 22:12Speaker 03

  you better play every play great to give yourself a chance. If you play 20% of those plays poorly, you're not gonna win. And why waste all the time through April, through May, through June? There's a big commitment to make that everybody sacrifices if you're not gonna go out there to try to beat the best teams. You can play pretty average against the teams that don't really have a chance. But the teams that are really great, the six or eight every year that have a chance, you better have an urgency to beat those teams because that's the real competition in the NFL.

• 22:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. God, Tom's getting me fired up.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  I told you, dude, I told you. It's something about it. I mean, you talk about maximize your opportunity. I mean, you had the greatest statistical performance ever by quarterback in the Super Bowl when you played us. Nick Foles caught some type of magical like thing. I don't really know what was happening with Nicky that day, but he was on fire. But you, what was that like?

• 23:04Travis Kelce?

  It still goes down as my favorite football game ever to be like, seriously, that game was insane to be in that stadium and watch you guys duke it out, man.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a, you know, when you win the Super Bowl, like, I mean, you guys played better than we did that day. So there's like, there's never any, made the best team win. I always kind of say that, like, who are you rooting for? Made the best team win? I don't know. You guys were the best team that day. It was really hard for us because we did play good on offense. But defensively, you know, we just couldn't figure out what you guys kept making big plays. The running back makes this great catch in the end zone.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  Um, you know, the, I think it was Alshon, was Alshon, he caught the touchdown pass. And we just, Ertz caught a. Touchdown pass.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  You had a couple of fourth down conversions, yeah.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, you were just always one step ahead of us the whole day and we finally caught you in the fourth quarter.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  On a touchdown throw to Gronk.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  And then you guys got that fourth down.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  And then went down and scored and I was like, we, we finally caught up and it took us all day to catch up. And you know, when in the NFL, when you're behind, you do feel like you're unsettled. You never feel in control if you're behind in a game.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Right. And that game, we were basically behind the entire day. So even on the bench and even though we were moving the ball well, I still felt like we were not in control of the game. And then all of a sudden, we finally got the lead and then you guys went right down the field, scored and then Brandon Graham made a, you know, made a great rush on Shaq and strip sacked me and, you know, that was it.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  I mean, you talk about feeling uneasy not being or being behind. We were ahead and I was uneasy because I saw you on the other side. And I'm like, there's one guy that's good playing from behind. This is the guy. So like, what do you think about your career? I don't know that there's anybody, I mean, Pat is certainly up there in like the two minute plays, but.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  What do you think made you so good in those situations?

• 24:50Speaker 03

  First of all, I had great teammates that played great in those situations and we, we worked on it. We practiced, we walked through and, you know, there's always something nice about two minute. In, in some ways, it gives the quarterback a lot of rhythm to play in when things are going well, when you're in a good rhythm in two minute, because it's not like they can run a lot of variety of defenses. And I was a very, I was all about preparation. So I felt like if I could get you into a two minute situation and I could get you to play defense and I could get you the clock running and you would have to signal and like, I would be like, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna snap it before they're ready and let's hit some completions. And again, I just pushed our guys to constantly, I was gonna find the open receiver because I could read coverages really

• 25:34Speaker 03

  well. And I was always gonna try to throw to the soft spot of the defense. I mean, I could, one of my biggest, well, my biggest weakness was my lack of mobility and my lack of ability to scramble and make a play. And in many ways, that turned into the best thing that I did, which was force me to over prepare, to over. You know, to read defenses and to throw to open guys like I didn't have the option to like pull it down and run. So I had to make sure we had guys open before the ball was snapped. So I was constantly looking at the coverage. I was constantly seeing the defensive scheme and then trying to, you know, get our guys in the best position and I would throw it, Gronk would catch it. I would throw it, Jules would catch it. I would throw it, Danny would catch it. I would throw it.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  No, I can, list goes on. I mean, I played with so many great players, but it was really a great unit and um, you know, that was some of the best part of football was just two minute drives and it was, it was a chance for you to go out and be like, all right, game's on the line, man. This is like, this is what we do in the, in the schoolyard, you know, but games on the line. Let's see what we got.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  Well, in, in that game, I still, I mean, the BG sacks, but even after that, you guys got the ball back. And up until that ball fell on the ground, that last hail Mary attempt, I'm still like, dude, Tom could still find a way to get this done like in.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  I still, I'm not even believing it was over then, but let's get to some of the good stuff. Seven times Super Bowl champion.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Oldest Super Bowl champion, I believe. Is that correct? Oldest starting quarterback.

• 26:59Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. I saw it firsthand.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Um, do you have a favorite one? What is your favorite?

• 27:04Travis Kelce?

  You got a favorite one out of all?

• 27:05Speaker 03

  I don't want to sound arrogant because that's not, I would say they're, they're all different, first of all. And they're all different meaningful because they're, they're, they're kind of tell a different story.

• 27:14Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Um, I think one that was like the 2014 one against the Seahawks, you'd probably say like the Atlanta one where we came back from all those, you know, down a bunch of points, but the one, it, I, I won three really early and it was kind of like, ah, you know, what's so hard about the NFL, you know?

• 27:36Speaker 03

  I mean, it was like, I went to Michigan, we're good in Michigan and I won two bowl games and then I got to the pros. My first year, we won the Super Bowl and then, you know, my next year we didn't, and then we won two back to back. So I was kind of like, like, this is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to start the season, work hard, you know, and then win. That's okay. Big deal. But then we lost in '07 to the Giants, then we lost in 2011 to the Giants, and then we played Seattle in the 2014. So we've gone 10 years and I had three years, three times we won it, then I had two where we lost it.

• 28:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  And then I was like, man, and then 2014 came and we're going against a legion of boom and we're down, I think 10 in the fourth quarter or, or uh, yeah, 10 in the fourth quarter and um, And then we end up having just the most incredible, you know, last again, last 20 minutes of the game. And defense played incredible. I mean, that stopped down at the goal line. It was, it went from like, you know, again, we were losing most of the game. We finally got a lead in the fourth quarter. They drove right down the field and then Dante Hightower made one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history. Tackling Marshawn, getting blocked, had like one shoulder out, somehow got Marshawn on the ground, which like 10 guys can't get Marshawn on the ground. Dante did it with like one shoulder and then Malcolm makes one of the greatest defensive plays in the history of football.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  And everyone after the game talked about, you know, oh, not handing the ball to Marshawn. I was like, how about that play by Malcolm Butler?

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Let's celebrate this play.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Pull the trigger. Yeah. Pull the trigger on that as a rookie to like go over the top of the pick and the acceleration burst and then.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  It was all in the depths. Yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  It was crazy.

• 29:06Travis Kelce?

  Whenever I'm, I'm a receiver and I come out of a break, I'm, I'm always trying to minimize the opportunity for the defender to beat my angle.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's got to go through you to get to the ball.

• 29:17Travis Kelce?

  He's got to go through me. That, that's a part of my size and my like strength in, in being a pass catcher. And I thought he had a good angle coming in. Now maybe he could have gone in there with a little bit more tempo, but it's kind of like one of those plays. Where it's like the RPOs, you want to kind of come in with something, whatever it was, but I thought the angle was good and Malcolm just fucking shot it, man. And that goes to like the, I'm sure the film, uh, the film breakdowns and all the.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  I love the story behind it. They talked about prepping for that exact situation before it happened. Um, I don't know if that was like in a 30 for 30 where I saw Bill talking about that, but I love when the preparation carries over. And then, I mean, the moment there, I mean, you could not have a bigger moment for a guy, a young player to really go out of his way to take a chance.

• 30:03Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Tom, I've always wanted to ask you this because there is, you have this ability and we kind of talked about it before about just like the rhythm in which. You always commanded the offense. It's just, you feel like you've always got control of the game and, and everybody's kind of going at your rhythm. Was there a point in your career where you started to understand that or was it always just kind of within your? Your preparation, how you guys ran the offense.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  You know, my college experience was really unique. I my first three years, I didn't play at all at Michigan. And again, if I was around these days, I probably would have transferred to another school because you know, it was simple to do. But you know, I Michigan was a really tough experience in terms of my I had to grow up. I didn't have brothers. I had three sisters. You know, I was the youngest. I baby by my mom. I got baby by my dad. I got baby by my sisters. I go to Michigan, which is a long way from California. It's freezing cold. I didn't have a jacket when I went there and I sit on the bench my first year. You know, and and I really had, I would call it like a lot of stealth defeating attitudes and behaviors. I always had an excuse. I always had, you know, coach, coach doesn't want me in there.

• 31:13Travis Kelce?

  Creep in real easy.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're they're not giving me the opportunity and I had a sports psychologist. Who unfortunately passed away about a year ago. His name was Greg Harden. And he started really psychology on me and I would go into his office every Tuesday and he would say. You know, Tom, I like you, you know, you work hard, but like you have a shitty attitude. And how about you start worrying about what you can control and stop talking about the other quarterbacks? Stop talking about the coaches not putting you in. How about you take advantage of the opportunities you get? And every time you go in there, you bring energy, you bring enthusiasm. If they give you three reps, you do the best with the three you get.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Quit bitching about you only getting three or you going in there with the backup receivers. No one cares. You go in there, you bring energy, you treat practice like it's a game. You go out to that practice field like it's the big house in your plan. I say, if you throw a touchdown in the two minute and in in practice. You celebrate like it's the game.

• 32:14Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  And I was like, well, I never approached like that. And he goes, you're going to gain, you know, a lot of trust and a lot of confidence from your teammates. If you start treating that way, because it's going to improve your play. Sure enough, my energy started getting way better. I was bringing juice. I had the right attitude and then it started to improve. And my second year, it got way better. My third year, I competed with Brian Greasy to be the starter. Brian beat me out. Our team went undefeated, won the national championship. But I learned a lot. Watched Brian be a great leader. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, fuck, I'm bringing the juice, man, every day.

• 32:47Travis Kelce?

  Come on, baby, bring the juice.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, every day. And that's what I did. And then we actually were, I was pretty good, you know, my fourth and fifth year. Then I went to the pros. And again, the pros is like, everyone is like, hey, man, it's a good day. Like, don't cover me on scout team. You know, and here comes Tom Brady, scout team quarterback. And I'm trying to like, you know, beat up the defense.

• 33:08Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  And that really helped me, again, that helped me like, get better. And then finally going into my second year, I, I won the backup job because I was so competitive and I was so fiery and no one was gonna unseat Drew Bledsoe.

• 33:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  He sent a 10-year, $100 million contract in 2001.

• 33:26Travis Kelce?

  All right, man.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  I mean, that's a lot of money then. And then, and then Drew got hurt in the second game and I came on. And I remember the defensive players like William McGinnis would come up to me and Lawyer Malloy and they'd be like, Tommy, like, man, you just keep doing what you're doing, man. You keep, so they could just sense that like, there was a part of me that really loved it. I was, I was obsessed with the sport. I loved the practicing. And then I loved the leadership part and I really loved the preparation. Then I got really into the game. And Peyton Manning was the guy that I always looked up to.

• 33:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  You know, as a kind of a rival, because I thought he was the epitome of a field general. He got his team in the right play and, and then I watched him, he's throwing for all these touchdowns every year. So it was like, if I could get the mental part right, I was getting good at the emotional, the competitive stamina, the leadership. And then my physical body started to catch up to me. And then it kind of all came together and like, I would say, 2003, I started to turn into like, what I would become. But it was a process. It was like, I would say it was definitely built by, you know, a lot of people that supported me in the journey. And then I was just really open to learning. I was curious about everything. And then, I wanted to go out there and, and be my very best. And so it's just a progression of a lot of things, a lot of people, and then

• 34:39Speaker 03

  kind of putting it all to use.

• 34:40Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, that's awesome. I love that story from college, man. Um, that, that, it resonates so much. Not only with me, but I've seen guys not handle that conversation the right way. You know that it's easy to be negative and and to to not only just point fingers, but to look at what's going on around you and create an excuse. But in the reality of things, if you come in with the right fucking mindset and the right energy, man. One is you're gonna enjoy what you do 10 times, 10 times more. But then on top of that, it's infectious, man. That energy is infectious. You could. I mean, everywhere you've gone, you've had success and you've you've been a part of of like more than just yourself in in.

• 35:22Travis Kelce?

  Bringing it like bringing wins and everything like that. But those memories that you create. Because of the energy and the and the the mindset that you bring into the building. That's what you know, the the teammates and the people you go to work with are gonna remember you most for.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Well, it's also a productive mindset for a player.

• 35:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Like, this is always one of the things that really sucks when you start losing games and you see the finger pointing start or like, hey, we're not doing this, we're not doing that. And you have to try and like remain like, dude, just control what you can control, like be the best. Center you can be. And if you can be a way to help somebody by putting them in a better situation, being a great teammate. But dude, and that's a do your job. I know that was like Bill's like main thing forever.

• 36:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, totally.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  But like when you're thinking about all these reasons that are outside of your control, what the fuck good is that doing anybody? It does. It's so pointless. It is so pointless.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  There was a great quote that, you know, I I saw that was like every brick. You know, every brick in the road that you put down is an opportunity for you to travel that road to be successful. But every brick you put in a wall is and it is just an excuse that blocks your opportunity to get to where you want to get to go. And I think you create excuses and they're very built in. And again, think about how we're living these days, like with these guys that come in that everybody, their agents, their mom, dad, their sisters, their brothers. They all are they're willing. Okay, you lose a game and losing sucks. It feels horrible for all of us. And it's amazing to have the support from people to come in and go, hey, man, it's not your fault. It was the defense's fault. Not your fault. It was the coach's fault. Not your fault. It was the rest's fault. Not your fault. And and the reality is maybe that helps for. Like five seconds.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  But in the end, it doesn't change any of the outcomes. And I always feel like if you really want to grow up, just take it all on yourself. Just say, no, it's my fault. I gotta do better.

• 37:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  I gotta do better. I gotta, you know, like I heard Wemby talk the other day after the game and he said like, and they had a great finals. It was, you know, it was a tough game.

• 37:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Nicks were on fire. They won however many fifteen to sixteen playoff games, thirteen or fourteen. Insane. And then, you know, there was a part of Wemby said, oh, we dominated every game. And I'd like, it's not the point.

• 37:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  You know, like I just, I, I wanna, I wanna just, and I love Wemby. Don't get me wrong.

• 37:34Travis Kelce?

  Oh, he's gonna be great.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Like he is the most mature. He's gonna have a tremendous career. But it's also like, I always think when I see people talk, how would I answer that question? And a reality for everybody is like, they were better than we were.

• 37:47Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  And we gotta do a better job. That's simple. Like what, that's, that's actually very motivating.

• 37:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  Like they were better. We need to do better. Great. That's what, that's what it takes to win a championship. You know, we were better. You, you guys were better than us, Jason, when you, when we played you, Trav, like we had a better day than you. It actually doesn't mean we're a better team. We had a better day.

• 38:05Travis Kelce?

  But it, it sparks a fire if you have the right approach. Like, but like that game, I took the same approach in my mind. Like, it doesn't matter what the team did. What can I, what, what could I have done better that day? To be more accountable, to light a fire in my team, to, to create a better, uh, whatever it was on the sideline. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, you, you immediately have to look at yourself in the mirror and, and aggressively attack yourself. You know, and, and

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:35Travis Kelce?

  It'll make you feel better knowing that, you know, you dissected and you've done even more to better yourself, to be more prepared, to be more accountable. You'll feel better about the next opportunity.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. And even as it translate in for both you guys, you know, Jay, you retired, Travis, you know, at some point you will, but like, that all that does translate into other parts of your life beyond, yeah, I know.

• 38:56Travis Kelce?

  Never do.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Keep going, baby. To the last moment, literally to the last moment. But like, I've been around great entrepreneurs as well. And I would say that attitude where they put everything back on themselves is is makes them very successful business too.

• 39:12Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  So like people who are that I've seen very fortunate again to be around some amazing businessmen. And like I see the way they approach that way. And they're like, I gotta do better. I gotta motivate him more. I gotta do this. I gotta get on the floor. I gotta understand that better. I gotta make that decision. And I would sit there going, oh my, that sounds like like the crazy part that I was.

• 39:31Travis Kelce?

  Right.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  But that's actually the only way it works.

• 39:33Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  You know, it's the only way that businesses work. It's the only way relationships work. It's the only way football teams work. It's the only way hockey teams work. It's like everyone work hard, have humility, have self-awareness, know you could do better. Believe me. Football, you never, how many games have you guys walked out and go, well, I was perfect today. Like, man, that was basically.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  Exactly. So, you know, we all had the opportunity to be better.

• 39:57Travis Kelce?

  Well, let's talk about some uh some teammates of yours, big guy. I I gotta hear you talk about Gronk, man. He's one of, he's been one of my favorite players since he's gotten to the league. Your guys' chemistry is unbelievable. Just how he enjoys the game and how he how he lives life, man. I've always admired the guy from a distance, man. But what was your first impression of Gronk when he got to New England?

• 40:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, at that point, there was like a big expectation of our team when he got there. Like, we had been, we had like a good 10-year run. And I think we needed a big refresh of energy. And Gronk brought it. He was like free, fun-loving. Like, you know, Gronk, you know, how he is and how you see him anywhere is how he's one of the most authentic people you'll ever be around.

• 40:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  And like football's hard, you know, but Gronk always found a way to bring, you know, kind of light to it. And he Gronk was really unique. You know, I think Gronk was the greatest blocking tight end in history.

• 40:55Travis Kelce?

  Man.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  Gronk could hand handle defensive ends. He was at the point of attack in the run game like we didn't care. We would rather go to Gronk than the open side tackle.

• 41:04Travis Kelce?

  That's crazy. Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  And so that's. A really underrated part of his game and then as a pass catcher, you know, he was, he was never going to be like the twitchiest. So, but his straight line, when he would run seam routes or, you know, middle reads or flag routes, he was off the charts. So there was just part of his game that was, it was very natural for him. He was really a natural athlete and I think we, our environment kind of kept him really serious, which I think that's probably a good thing for him in the end. Cause I think if he was on another team where the coach let him get away with a lot of stuff, Gronk maybe would have veered a little that way, but I think our team kind of made him, you know, a little more confined and he still had a great time, but man, I think he really

• 41:48Travis Kelce?

  Few more motherfuckers in, uh, in New England than, than other

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  It's all about balance too. Sometimes when you have a team that's so like very straight line, having a guy like Gronk, lighting it every once or whatnot, you need that too, right?

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Totally. Mike Brable was like that when he was at the Patriots. He was like, Braves, man, Braves cut it loose. He was like, Randy Moss was like that. Matt Light was one of the most, you know, the funniest guys I've ever been around. He kept it light for everybody. So.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Matt's been on, I don't know if he's been on Julian and Gronk's podcast a couple of times. I've never really talked to the guy, but some of the clips coming out, I'm like, dude, he's, this would be a fun teammate to be around for sure.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  You guys got to get him on your show at some point. Cause he's, he's one of a kind. He's an amazing, amazing player and teammate.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Was there any other tight end that you've ever seen like Gronk? Is he like a one of one because of his ability? And to your credit, like Connor Barn, who I played with in Philly and in college, he said the same thing years ago about Gronk. Like he's like, dude, like normally we go up against a tight end, we're salivating. Like we have a, like whether he's going to be in passport or the run game, you do not get blocked by the tight end. And Gronk was the one guy where he's like,

• 42:52Travis Kelce?

  He's the anomaly.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  This guy will, is manhandling D ends.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  And a lot of times too, like you would think, you would think that like he loved blocking and I think cause he didn't want to go out and run a lot of routes.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  He would be so tired and he's like, hey, just keep being a run behind me. Like I like that. And he, he'd be like just bodying people and then he would be like, he'd be totally cool with that. But he was pretty unique. Like I really, you know, early in my career, I had Dan Graham, who was a really good run blocker. Ben Watson, I had Kyle Brady in 2007 and then we had a little stretch. Ben, Ben was still there in 2009 and Ben was really strong and really athletic, but just wasn't at the point of attack as good as Gronk. And then, and then we got Gronk, and Gronk was a dominating tight end. And then, when we didn't have Gronk, I, I as a quarterback, for the first time in my career, realized, oh shit, like, we lose those matchups all the time. Like, not only is that not neutral, it's a loss. So now everything's to the open side, or now you're flashing the tight end back all the

• 43:50Speaker 03

  time. And again, it just limits what you're able to do. And look, that's life in the NFL. I mean, you're never, not everyone's good at everything. I mean, you got a game plan, and that's what good coaches do. You gotta, you know, everyone's got to, and if you're an elite pass catcher, that's amazing. You're gonna be on the field a lot. You know, sometimes if you're really good at run blocking and a really good pass catcher, you know, you could be a great player.

• 44:11Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yes. Well, he was, he was the jack of all trades, and he was a, a dream piece for any offensive coordinator, both in the run game and pass game. He had a little bit of like, a skip to my loo, and he played with his tempo and his routes.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:26Travis Kelce?

  Like, a lot of his like, deep, deep crosses, or a lot of his in-breaking routes, or if he had a soft coverage on it, he would play with his tempo and, and it made him feel faster in his routes. Then I learned so much from just watching him just run like, deep crosses, or, or, or deep cross, like, uh, basic routes, or, um, even, even outroutes and stuff like that. But it, it's, there's only so much you can do when you watch Gronk in terms of like, trying to incorporate it into your game, because the guy just had such a, like, a, a gift and like, a feel for the run game, that I, it just, it was, it's one of a kind, man. And, and his ability to get the inside hands, he has long arms. He's always been as strong as an ox.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:10Travis Kelce?

  And just the physicality to get into a bar fight every single play is, it's one of a kind, man.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Do you have a favorite Gronk story?

• 45:19Speaker 03

  I do.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  I got a good one, I got a good one. All right, so Gronk, like, Gronk is, um, he's, okay, Gronk's, I mean, I love Gronk. Gronk didn't ever work, you know, like, a lot of receivers, tight ends will work on catching drills?

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  So like, you know, afterwards, hit the jugs machine, you know, 100 catches, and all the receivers did it. Julian would come at like, 6:00 in the morning and throw tennis balls off the wall and do one-hand drills. I never saw Gronk ever do any catching drill, ever. And I would throw the ball, and every ball I'd throw to Gronk, like, he'd have these big white gloves, right? And we'd put his hands up like this, it looked like the top of a trash can.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  And he would run across the field and, and he would go

• 46:02Speaker 03

  with like, so he had like a smile on his face. And I throw it and it would, the ball would just abs, the ball would just stick to his hands, right? So it was like unbelievable. So one day it's like his, it's like third year in the league. All right. And we're at practice and I throw him a ball and it like hits like the palm of his hands and like falls on the ground. And Gronk looks at me and is like, what, what was that? Like what just happened? So he goes, Tommy, throw me, throw me the ball again. And I cooked the ball and I fired at him and he caught it. And he, it was like, he gained his confidence.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  And by the way, for the rest of the career, I never saw him do a catching drill. So it was like, there was, there was a five second, a five second loss of confidence in a, in a receiver's career. And it was like, I'll never forget it. He was just like so lovable. And you're like, come here, man. You're fucking, you're unbelievable.

• 47:06Travis Kelce?

  The laughing while he's running full speed is the most Gronk thing I've ever like felt.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 47:11Travis Kelce?

  He's just having fun going fast. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, whee.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  I know, I know.

• 47:17Travis Kelce?

  What a dude, man.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  He sure was.

• 47:19Travis Kelce?

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• 48:25Travis Kelce?

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• 48:32Travis Kelce?

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• 48:48Travis Kelce?

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• 48:58Speaker 02

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• 49:03Travis Kelce?

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• 49:18Travis Kelce?

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• 49:33Speaker 02

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• 49:38Travis Kelce?

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• 49:51Travis Kelce?

  Let's talk a little Randy Moss, man. Did he really come see you at the team hotel?

• 49:55Speaker 03

  So Randy, when he was at the Raiders, we were playing in 06, we were playing at Minnesota and he flew, it was a Monday night game. He flew after a game to meet in the team hotel. And of course, at the time, I'm like, I don't know. It's not like I'm the general manager or anything like, and he showed up and they're like, Tommy, Randy, Randy's here. So I went and saw him. He's like, yo, man, I love, love the way you play, man. I want to like, I want to figure out how to make it happen. Of course, I'm like, all right, like, why are you talking to me? I love that too, but you know, and then sure enough, yeah, like it all, the trade goes down in oh seven. And um, we got Randy and all of a sudden it was like, well, what can, you know, a lot of people saying, well, he's done. What can he do?

• 50:38Speaker 03

  He comes into OTAs and he wasn't in the best of shape in OTAs, like, you know, probably not most. He probably had a few years in Oakland where, you know, it wasn't the most motivated. So probably didn't get the best out of him. So he's kind of getting guarded by some people in OTAs by like, some guys he shouldn't be guarded by. And I'm kind of like, when is he going to turn it on? Right. All of a sudden, we get to training camp and we run the conditioning test and Randy comes, he takes his shirt off. He's lean, like in shape. He's running the conditioning test like a deer. All of a sudden, we get out there. It's like, probably like the second week of training camp and we run a flea flicker. And Randy's the, the intended receiver and I throw it literally as far as I can.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  And Randy's running, he beats the safety and Randy would always kind of lolly off the line of scrimmage and he would always just watch the safety. So he lolly at the safety and as soon as the safety either came forward or flat footed, then Randy would just hit the gas. So Randy hits the gas. I throw it as far as I can. Randy opens up and just as he's sticking his arm out, he grabs his hamstring. Oh. And squeaks his hammy. So he misses the rest of training camp, doesn't play a preseason game. And now it's like, all right, week one, we still don't know what Randy can do. And we go out there against the Jets in week one. And we had this play. The Revis Jets, right? This is the Revis Jets. Revis wasn't, Revis was, that was Revis's rookie year. Yeah, was Revis's rookie year.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  So we start the game, Randy catches a few balls and then there was a ball on the sideline. He kind of ran like, I don't know what you'd call it, but like a deep outroute. But kind of you stem it in, you stem it up the field. Yeah. And then you run to the, the side. It's probably like 18 to 20 yard throw. And they had a good rush on and I could feel the rush coming and I knew Randy was running an outbreaker. So I kind of like, just as I was getting hit, I threw it. And as I was going to the ground, of course, you can't see anything. And I'm thinking, all right, I kind of was throwing it out of bounds. And all of a sudden, I hear the crowd go, oh, and I looked up and I was like, he caught that? And when you see the highlight, he like catches it outside of, you know, the frame is over his head and he taps his feet.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  And what should have been, you know, just a foul ball, he ends up, it's like a 20 yard gain. And at that point, I was like, this shit's gonna be different.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  And I threw a few balls. We had some routes that were one man routes, literally play action fake, nine people in protection. You know, I was quarter of 10 and then Randy, we called one called a pistol route. Where if it was too high, he ran at the near safety and then broke to the high flag or the post and ran across him. Or then if it was a post safety, he ran at the post safety. And if the corner stayed behind him and he felt like he wanted to go back to the high set and he could take it. A lot of times you ran across the field, but I would have to throw it, you know, 65 yards and it was like.

• 53:30Travis Kelce?

  You gotta make a decision.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  How do you know where he's gonna go?

• 53:35Speaker 03

  You don't.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  You, you don't. And he would, he would just turn on the gas. And the great part about having a really fast receiver is when you see your receiver running fast. And I would say for the most part, NFL DBs are faster than receivers in general. I'm not saying always, but you can't be a slow DB in the NFL. Just slow DBs, you could be a receiver that's not that fast and still be productive. You can't be a slow DB. All those guys run 4.3, high 4.3, low 4.2s, low 4.4, sorry. So Randy, because of his speed, I knew he was faster than everybody on the field. So whenever I saw Randy's speed, I could just gauge my ball flight and the trajectory of the ball on his, on his speed.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  And when he started running, I just threw it as far as I could to gauge Randy's speed. A lot of the times, which meant the further and higher I threw it, the better chance Randy had to catch it. For most receivers, the higher you throw it and the further, the more the DB has a chance to catch up.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're bringing up what I like, what really stands out with Randy is that tracking of the ball when it's in the air, right? Like that ability to like turn it into like another gear. The only other guy I've ever seen do it is Deshaun Jackson. Like those are the only two that I can think of where when that ball is up there and hanging, they just separate. Is that like, that's gotta be like an underrated attribute.

• 54:58Travis Kelce?

  To be able to not slow down while you're doing that, you know what I mean? Because it's one thing they put the head down, put the shoulders down and dig. It's another thing to be able to keep that speed and find the ball.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  They didn't, they weren't digging. They were like, just like gliding, like they just like didn't. It still looked like normal speed.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  I know. And what happens a lot of times when you turn your neck, you turn your shoulders. So no one would say run a 40 yard dash at the combine, but turn your shoulders back to the starting line.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  But Randy had a long neck, you know, because he was tall. So he could kind of turn his neck because the guys are really thick in the traps and don't have a long neck. It's really hard for them to turn their head. You know, when you turn your head, you typically slow down.

• 55:41Travis Kelce?

  That's why Jason's golf swing so tight.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Stop, stop.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Such a unique skill set. Crazy.

• 55:48Travis Kelce?

  It really is, man. It's, and you know who had a, Tyreek Hill is another one.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 55:54Travis Kelce?

  He didn't have that stride that the two we were just talking about, Deshaun.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  It was different.

• 55:58Travis Kelce?

  But he, but his ability to find the ball and to, and to meet it down is second to none, too.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Travis, you must have seen some crazy plays in practice from him, right?

• 56:07Travis Kelce?

  It's insane. It's insane. The first, I tell, I told everybody the, the year we got him, I think he was, he was a fifth or sixth round pick. And the first day we got him, it was like a little seven on seven in OTAs. And he caught, he caught like, just like a flat router, like it was like a bubble slant RPO. And he just, he was the bubble. He caught the bubble. Nobody got within two arms length of him and he just ran down the sideline. And I'm just sitting here like,

• 56:33Travis Kelce?

  we just got the most electric player in the draft. Like it was insane, dog. And his ability, and you already know, a lot of the, a lot of the practice reps in, is just like what you were saying, just testing out how, how far a quarterback can throw it in which he, like we can connect downfield. If he can track it and seeing the plays that him and Mahomes would make in OTAs or in training camp. And just testing the waters to see, you know, how far we could go. It's insane.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  I remember you guys played the Chargers, maybe week one of that year and you were at that little Home Depot Center or whatever it is in LA, the soccer stadium.

• 57:10Travis Kelce?

  The soccer stadium, yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  The soccer stadium, and he caught a slant route.

• 57:14Travis Kelce?

  It was that, yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  And cribbed it and I was like, oh my god.

• 57:19Travis Kelce?

  Hit the 200 and just fucking.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  Oh, I got a good story about that. So we play you guys one year and Bill was like, alright, the calls on third down are one double Travis, one double 87. And we, we didn't double Tyreek and Tyreek went for like 200 plus that game and you guys beat us. And Bill came in the next day, says, we're doubling Tyreek too.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  And we are not gonna let him go for 200 on us. So it was like back and forth on third down, who we're doubling. And it's so, I mean, it's kind of cool for us because you do see like, I mean, most NFL players are obviously supremely talented. And then every once in a while, you see someone who is just a little more talented than everybody else. And you go, man, that is a special talent. That's crazy.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Yes. And a lot of times it just stands out immediately.

• 58:07Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah, right away.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Like Aaron Donald is a pass rusher. I mean, is like everyone and then Aaron Donald.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  You know, everyone, then Randy Moss, everyone, and then Darrell Reavis, everyone, and then Ray Lewis. You know, everyone, and then Ed Reed. It's like, even if there's a Hall of Fame, and then to me, there's like one player that's like even better than every Hall of Famer.

• 58:27Travis Kelce?

  Deion Sanders says it best, man. You guys gotta find another Hall for me to be in.

• 58:33Travis Kelce?

  I love Prime when he says that.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  I mean, it really is true. I, I think there's very few players that aren't like, it's not scheme dependent. It's not like, doesn't matter who's on their team. Like, that guy would have been the best of all time, regardless of where he was and who he was with.

• 58:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  That's like a whole nother realm of football player.

• 58:52Travis Kelce?

  I gotta ask you about one more, one more teammate, man. One of my favorite of all time, that everywhere he goes, he wins. Joe Tooney.

• 59:01Travis Kelce?

  Tooney, man. You gotta tell, you got any good Tooney stories?

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Ohio?

• 59:04Speaker 03

  I got, yeah. I call, I used to call him Looney Tunes.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  But Joe, Joe was like, I think like a third round pick for us and he played tackle at NC State. We moved him to guard, started as a rookie. We had a great O-line coach.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  Dante Scarnecchia and Dante was just, I can't say enough good things about him. Like what he taught me, what he taught the offense. Like he gave the line so much confidence. And like, you know, five guys in there, you guys all play together. He gave that line confidence through his techniques, but also everything was black and white with Scar. There was no gray area. This is how we're doing it. And okay, if we can't get it that way, I'll change it. But we're gonna, and everyone was so decisive and they played well together. And Joe just came in and he embraced all that. He had, you know, David Andrews was next to him a few times. As a center, I mean, he was just the perfect guard, size, strength. You know, probably he didn't have the longest arms, but it didn't matter, you know?

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  But we moved him to tackle one game and he was like, I've never played tackle. I, and Dante said, listen, just fucking kick, get to the junction point, punch.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  And it was like, it was like, okay, that's all I gotta do.

• 1:00:16Travis Kelce?

  Just give us a chance, baby, that's all.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  I know. And then, yeah, I mean, he, he, he's just, he was a captain and he's just, he always did the right thing. I mean, it was like, no, he showed up, he was, you know, he sweated his ass off. I mean, and, and he just, he was the constant pro and he should be a champion. He still is. He's, he's just a great player, great guy.

• 1:00:34Travis Kelce?

  We miss him as a teammate out there in KC, man. He's one of my favorite of all time. And we actually moved him to tackle for an entire season and, and he took us to the Super Bowl, uh, the last one.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Well, it wasn't the whole season, the end of the season.

• 1:00:45Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was like.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, but yeah.

• 1:00:47Travis Kelce?

  Through the playoffs and everything.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly. Um, we gotta ask you, another one of our favorites, Jules. Tell us about, how does he go from like special team, but was a quarterback at Kent State?

• 1:00:57Travis Kelce?

  QB, yeah, the Macs and baby.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:00:59Travis Kelce?

  He was running the Mac, dude.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  What, tell us that story.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  So he signed with the same agent that I had, so I knew who he was. Uh, Don Yee and Steve Dubin, who were our agents, and he was from the Bay Area. So he grew up like five minutes from where I grew up. So I knew who he was and all of a sudden we got back and Billy O'Brien was like, hey, we're sending, you know, we're going down to check this kid out from Kent State. And I was like, of course. So he ends up being a punt returner to get started. We have, we have Wes already at that position when we got Julian. So of course my, I mean Wes was one of like the greatest teammates I ever had. One of the greatest receivers ever to play in football, Wes. Look at Wes's six-year stretch with us. It was unmatched. I mean, he was incredible. And Julian comes in and he's got a chance to learn from Wes, but we didn't really need Julian that much

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  because we had someone in that position.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  But Julian just had a chip on his shoulder, you know, he was, and he worked his ass off. You know, Julian had one of the greatest work ethics of anyone ever seen. And he, okay, so the difference is this. When you play quarterback, like Julian did in college, the ball was in his hands and now he could do something with it. When you play receiver, you have to do something to get the ball in your hands. You don't line up behind the offensive line like the running backs do. So to learn to be a receiver, to learn how to run a route, to learn how to get open, to learn how your footwork, that's like an incredibly difficult skillset. And it took him years to figure it out. And to Julian's

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  credit, you know, 2009, he, you know, he, he played really well. We played a playoff game. We got our ass kicked against the Ravens. Julian was the best player on the field that day for our team. And 2010, he didn't play much. 2011, he broke his arm, didn't play much. 2012, Wes was still there, so he didn't play that much. And then finally, 2013 came after four years, you know, he played defense, he played punt returner, and then he just, he got way better at running routes. And again, just tenacious, tough, like Julian had juice every day. And, you know, he was just, he built himself into one of the greatest players the Patriots ever had.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:09Travis Kelce?

  That's fucking awesome, man.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  What, is there something about that body type? They're like short sawed off white guy that's just, those feet are just moving quicker. We're gonna get option route on a, on a guy in the slot and they're not gonna be able to redirect as quick as this guy.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  You know what, in, in some ways Jay, it was like, because, okay, our team was built differently than a lot of others. Like, we didn't always have the highest paid players. In fact, when a lot of guys would have a chance to get free agent contracts, Bill would, you know, trade those guys and let them get paid somewhere else. And then we'd have to replace them with lesser talented players. One position that's unique in the NFL is receiver. Like Jamar Chase makes 40 million a year. T Higgins makes 30. Tyree Kill was making almost 30. We didn't have those players. So, we had to like, find production from other areas and slot receivers in the NFL don't get paid top dollar

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  for receiver. So in a way, we paired like this team kind of receiver group with some rookies and some, I would say more role type players at receiver because we had these inside players, I'll call them, that played tighter to the formation, that could still be very productive because they had great route trees and they were very dead, maybe not vertical speed, as fast as vertical speed, but they had short area quickness. And that short area quickness is what the game's all about. I would argue, would you rather be fast or, or have great short area quickness? I'd rather have short area quickness. Football's a game of quickness, not speed.

• 1:04:41Travis Kelce?

  Timing, we can be on the same time and get shit done more with that short area quickness and getting that, like showing color and getting open, uh, over the, over the middle of field, especially for the tight ends and the inside receivers, but.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  And Trav, you're, you're 6'5", I mean 250, 255, and you have twitchiness. You had size, length, you had, did have speed, and you did have, you know, they couldn't arm tackle you, and you had twitchiness. Your footwork is more like a slot receiver than is a tight end. So like, there's a reason why you got to open, a lot like Antonio Gates always did. Like, your game was probably a lot like him.

• 1:05:16Travis Kelce?

  100%. Another Mac guy.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  Is getting a lot of love, man.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  All right, we're we're running out of time. We got to get this last section.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  We got to ask, uh, we're going to start off back in March. You also became part of the JP Morgan Chase Athletic Council. Can you tell us more about this?

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was got asked to be on a on a council with JP Morgan to try to influence and educate athletes to make better financial decisions. And, you know, a lot of us grow up and look, we're good athletes and, you know, we try our best in school. But a lot of us are a little bit underdeveloped when it comes to managing our money, making good decisions, creating budgets. And it was put together, um, Jalen Brunson's there, Asia Wilson, Dwayne Wade, or just a few of the people involved. Nice. Um, Megan Rapinoe, uh, just there's a really great group of people. I'm missing on some others. Sorry about that. But we kind of came together and we're creating, um, opportunities for athletes for financial literacy.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  And it's it's pretty, it's pretty cool just for us to, you know, make a difference in in other people's lives. And a lot of us are blessed with people that give us great advice. Some people aren't. So we want to be that place where people go to say, okay, well, you know, how do I make sure that I don't finish my playing career and not have any money?

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  No, seriously, and it's becoming an even bigger issue with like the NIL and kids are getting paid earlier and earlier. And, uh, a lot of these kids in college, they've never seen any type of like, does it like, I learned most of this stuff in college. Right? And they're getting money before they've ever talked to anybody about it. So this is awesome, man. Very, very worthwhile.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  I spent all of my first check and regretted every second I didn't have anything to show for it. All of it went to rent and fucking Yeah. Yeah, some car or something. Have any more. Yeah, no, I didn't even have a car. I stole Jason's car. That's all right. I was spending money on way dumber shit than that. At least a car would have gotten me to the facility on time. No, that's awesome stuff, man. And you already know that's it's it's something that's even bigger now with, uh, the college, uh, how much they're making in college and things like that, like Jason said, but we have.

• 1:07:20Travis Kelce?

  Have to ask, man, have you seen the clip? We, we had a, a guy, Ben Affleck come on the show. One of our favorites. He mentioned a story about playing catch with you. Do you, have you seen that clip? Do, we could probably find it here, but do you know what he's talking about?

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  To this day, aside from the birth of my children, that was the greatest day.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  I was like, dude, are you, he was like, I need someone to play catch with. Happened to be on vacation at the same place with him.

• 1:07:51Travis Kelce?

  So this was legit. This was as legit as it gets. That's amazing. You were helping Tom get ready for the season.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  It was like, I don't know how much I was helping him. I think he was like, he was like, I'm gonna blow this dude's.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  I remember we were at Baker's Bay together. Uh, this was, yeah, I needed someone to catch him and we're getting ready for football season.

• 1:08:11Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  And I was down there, it was the summer, it was quiet. And I'm like, like, hey, you, you know, can, can you catch? You know, and he's like, I could catch, you know? And I'm like, all right, let's go. So I got all these balls, I'm on that big field, Trav, I don't know if you saw that field. Like I'm on the big field, they got it painted and I'm like, all right, like, let's see what you got, you know? And you're a big, you know, he's obviously a big patriot, loved the Red Sox. Um, and I had known Ben for a while and I'm like, all right, here we go. And finally I remembered getting to the end and I was like, I want to put a little pressure on him, see what the hell happened. And I was like, all right, fourth down, you know, Super Bowl's on the line, you know, I'm calling your number. This is the route where I think it was a flag route I gave him.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  And, uh, like, I'm gonna throw it, see if you catch it. And he got running and I put one up there and he stretched his arm out and he caught it. And it was, uh, you know, for all of us, I mean, can you imagine like us as kids just thinking, we're gonna get paid to play football and, you know, throw passes and then, you know, think about Ben, he's thinking, you know, gonna make movies, but then he's out there with this Patriot player and, I don't know, man, life is crazy for all of us.

• 1:09:18Travis Kelce?

  I was just gonna say, did you know it was that big of a moment for him? Cause I mean,

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:09:22Travis Kelce?

  We all, all of us had that sports fandom growing up of like doing that with the, in the moment with the guys that are doing it. Like, I can only imagine how he felt.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  You have these perspective moments and like, I think I was, I remember being out on the field. This is late in my career and I would have, you know, they do like those charity galas and they give away like throwing sessions.

• 1:09:43Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  And that once they give her out like, all right, come catch passes with Gronk. You know, and Gronk's gonna run around and he's gonna teach you the art of receiving and, and the guy paid like 200 grand. And I'll pay for an hour and do that. It was great. You know, donate the money to charity and then I'm sitting there like, I, they pay me to throw balls to Gronk. You know what I mean? And to throw balls to Julian and to throw balls to like, they pay me for that. Like never forget. You're getting balls from Patrick Mahomes. Like people dream and he's throwing balls to Travis Kelce. Like, let's never forget that type of perspective because when we were kids, we didn't ever have that.

• 1:10:24Speaker 03

  You know, growing up, like it was our dream to do this and now they're paying you to do it and they're paying you to do it with other people who are, you know, the best in the world at what they do. So I just think that's.

• 1:10:32Travis Kelce?

  Living the dream, baby.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Just great perspective to keep.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  I'd be remiss if we get out of this interview without bringing up the old ball coach. We didn't talk, we haven't talked about Bill one time yet.

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  I see so many things and this started happening while you guys were still in the league. Like, is it Bill? Is it Tom? Like, who is responsible for the greatest era of success in the history of the NFL? What, how do you react to those kind of, I guess, clickbaity arguments as well as, like, what do you think of Bill and what he meant for your success?

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  First of all, I think he's the greatest coach that, you know, ever, greatest head coach in terms of preparing a team to win. There was nobody better. I was my privilege to play for him as his quarterback. There's no coach I'd rather choose. And I think it's like a dumb, it's, it's just a dumb analogy. It's like, what's more important, the left tackle or the center? Like, I don't know.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Well, left tackle. We need to be honest about that one.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  I disagree. I disagree.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, I think from like the, the coach quarterback, there's nobody more important to winning Monday through Saturday than the head coach.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  Especially in football.

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  Especially in football. And there's nobody more important on Sunday than the quarterback. Now, everybody's important. The, the person who washes the clothes is important. The person who drives the bus is important. The quarterback just has an outsized kind of ability to help the team win because he touches the ball so much. But I need everybody to do their job. But if you have bad quarterback play, it doesn't matter what else you do, you're not going to win.

• 1:12:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  And if you have bad coaching, it doesn't matter how well the players are doing, you're going to lose. So the tactics from the coach and the accountability, and I think the head coach is the chief accountability officer of a team too, that the tactics are extremely important. Trap, you could run great route into the wrong coverage and not get the ball. You have an OC that draws up bad plays because he can't beat coverages. It doesn't matter what you, now you'll ad lib and you'll be like, no, I'm not running out.

• 1:12:33Travis Kelce?

  I was right there with you. I was like, you know, we're going to make it happen though, baby.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  You're never going to be really covered. They might have you covered on paper.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna find, you're definitely gonna find some color to throw the ball to. So I just think that question is like, they're all important. And, and my, I couldn't have, I, there's no way I could have been the player I was without him. And I think we pushed each other to get the best out of each other. And I think he's just, he's incredible. Anyone who played underneath him would say the same thing.

• 1:13:02Travis Kelce?

  Hall of Famer, should have been first ballot, man. It's crazy. One of the most respected ever to fucking do it, man.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  I gotta ask you, you got one of my former teammates recently in New England. All right? I know now you're a Raider, but you're kind of always a Patriot.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  What is the key?

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  Who knows what happened with the relationship with Jalen and AJ? That's kind of between them. But for you as a quarterback, how do you manage receivers and their happiness and being involved in the offense and all that stuff? Like, what is that as your, from your role?

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  It's very difficult. And I think that's the only position on offense that requires a lot of extra energy and attention because the running backs are going to touch the. The line, they're gonna be engaged in every play. The tight ends, runner pass, you're gonna be engaged in every play. It's the receivers who stand, you know, 25 yards from the ball. You know, just talking smack with the DB. Talking shit the whole time, yeah. Trying to figure out, alright, I ran my ass off and didn't get the ball. And how do I stay locked in and committed to the team when I don't touch the ball? And it's a hard thing. Like, they're working hard to get the ball and they don't get it. So they get frustrated so easy. And I almost think like, when I see these NFL off seasons, I think, I swear to God, I think now like,

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  this is just deja vu. I've been seeing the same shit since 2000 when I came into the league. You know, this guy goes, gets, you know, this guy gets in trouble, he's arrested, this guy gets cut, this guy gets traded. This guy's unhappy at receiver. It's every year. It's, it's, it's like Real Housewives of the NFL.

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  It's the same script and it's like over and we just, that position, it's like, I almost wanna like, the psychology of receiver. I almost wanna say like, you're gonna catch 110 balls this year, okay? You're, you're 17 games. You're a great receiver, you're gonna catch 110 balls. One game you're gonna get 11 and one game you're gonna get three. And the next game you're probably gonna get 11, then you're gonna get three. I can't have you like the happiest guy in the world when you catch 11? Or the most miserable guy on the team when you catch three? We gotta look at it over the course of the year. You gotta sustain, cause it is a lot of emotional, um, energy that you put out to that position to go, come on, come on, we got it, come on, stay locked in, let's go, cause I need you, come on.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  And it's like, that position takes away, if you have that volatile emotional output, it takes a lot of energy from a lot of people to keep that player really stable. So you gotta like, try to reframe it for them. And just say, listen, like, you may get three, but you're gonna get 11. And, or you might get 11, 11, 11. And then, you know, three, it's just the way it goes. If they're doubling Travis, you ain't touching the ball. That's the reality. If they're butching you at the line of scrimmage with the defensive end and they've got, you know, some ridiculous athlete over the top of you, yeah, but it frees it up for other people and you gotta be cool with that. So, I mean, it's, that is a, we're gonna see it again this year, you know, who's the next unhappy receiver?

• 1:16:02Speaker 03

  And I understand it. I mean, that's why I don't, they wanna be involved in the game, you know? And AJ wanted to be involved in the game. I covered a lot of those Eagles games, you know, and that, that passing offense isn't, that's not what that team's known for, you know, so now he's actually going to a team where they are more known for their passing offense. So, you know, there will be maybe a little more satisfaction from him from that standpoint.

• 1:16:24Travis Kelce?

  We wanna get you out of here. We got one more question. We always ask everybody that comes on. What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  Oh, man, there's a lot of those. I, I had one, um, probably in Buffalo. I was scrambling up the right sideline. Nate Clements from Ohio State, he was a cornerback. He was a big, physical corner and I slid late. And, uh, he knocked the shit out of me.

• 1:16:47Speaker 03

  I got up, the helmet, I was looking around. I, I got taught in college, like, get your ass up. Don't ever let the defenders, you know, know your, and I was like, got up and I was like, holy shit.

• 1:17:01Travis Kelce?

  No helmet, no helmet on?

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  No helmet.

• 1:17:05Travis Kelce?

  I can only imagine the face you were making, like, it's, the helmet sometimes.

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  That's right. And I figured it all out.

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Tom, cannot thank you enough. Really appreciate you coming on. This is an all-timer for us.

• 1:17:19Travis Kelce?

  All-timer, man.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  We, we can't thank you enough. Thank you, Tom.

• 1:17:21Travis Kelce?

  Appreciate the time, the stories, dog. You're the best, dude.

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love you guys. Good luck with everything and we'll see you soon, okay?

• 1:17:27Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  Sounds good. Alrighty, thank you to Tom Brady. Uh, once again, this conversation was brought to you by Xfinity. Travis, I told you, I, I saw him earlier this year.

• 1:17:39Travis Kelce?

  Best and every he's just so he's so good with like

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  Words?

• 1:17:44Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Travis Kelce?

  Did he does that come with Michigan?

• 1:17:47Speaker 02

  I mean, I think

• 1:17:48Travis Kelce?

  Get that?

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Typically, I mean, he's pro yeah, I mean, Michigan does probably

• 1:17:51Travis Kelce?

  I didn't get that since he

• 1:17:58Speaker 02

  No, Tom, I told you, I met him earlier this year and like I've always heard from everybody how uh like just intense he is and like how much he cares and like the type of player he was.

• 1:18:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  And he's still like that, like you meet him.

• 1:18:11Travis Kelce?

  Captivated.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  Like he is so engaged in the conversation. He loves football so much, talking about it, his teammates, his time and he's so good at articulating all these themes and what made him successful.

• 1:18:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  Those teams successful.

• 1:18:27Travis Kelce?

  There's so many good bits on what he said that you could just you could fucking just all you high school kids out there. Bro, listen to what he's saying, man. Don't be a negative Nancy or bringing that weak ass energy into the into the building or into the into school into life.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  And it's just so hard because he's so damn good looking. I try to listen to what he's saying. And I'm just like, what the fuck is happening? How are you the best football player of all time, a model? Did you see him on the runway the other day?

• 1:18:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  He's literally walking down the runway. He looks just like a model.

• 1:18:57Travis Kelce?

  Gucci.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  How many gifts can one man have?

• 1:19:00Travis Kelce?

  I don't know, but

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  I I got popular being a dumbass.

• 1:19:04Travis Kelce?

  Ditto.

• 1:19:07Travis Kelce?

  Even dumber dumbass.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Shout out to Tom. Uh, that was incredible. Awesome moment to have him on the show.

• 1:19:13Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  Um, now we're gonna uh send it to some exclusive live show clips. That's right. Uh, this clip of our live no dumb questions is brought to you by Enterprise. All right, we're gonna get some no dumb questions. Let's give it up for Mr. Jets Jay.

• 1:19:33Travis Kelce?

  The new world champion.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 1:19:36Travis Kelce?

  We think the next, I mean, we think the Jets Jake tag might be a little too depressing. So how about Nick's Jake?

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  Nick's?

• 1:19:46Travis Kelce?

  There we go. What do you got for us in the No Dumb Questions category?

• 1:19:49Speaker 06

  Here we go. First up is Charlotte. Hi. Okay, so, oh, okay.

• 1:19:57Speaker 06

  So, I have two younger brothers. They're 10 and 14. And I swear, they never let me live anything down. So if you could permanently ban your brother from telling one embarrassing story about you, what would it be?

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Wow!

• 1:20:12Travis Kelce?

  Man.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Permanently ban my brother from telling one embarrassing story about me. I feel like everyone already knows my embarrassing stories.

• 1:20:21Travis Kelce?

  Jason doesn't really get embarrassed. He just showed that he's sitting dog shit in Venice. Really, really showed it. It was just like, hey, guys, look at this. I don't even get a chance to tell an embarrassing story about Jason. And to be fair, we don't really embarrass each other that much. I would say, I would say he usually tees up the opportunity for me to tell a story where I embarrass myself.

• 1:20:47Travis Kelce?

  So I'll tell you guys. Oh! So, not too long ago, but a long time ago.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  You really gonna tell us? You sure?

• 1:20:56Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  Alright, alright.

• 1:20:58Travis Kelce?

  Well, it's not that bad. It's just embarrassing. I have face blindness. You guys know I have face blindness? Yeah, well, this was an episode of Face Blindness. I go to, I go to New York, and there's a, there's a huge festival, music festival out in the Hamptons, and I'm a huge music lover, as you guys know.

• 1:21:17Travis Kelce?

  I, I go with a bunch of guys from New York in the, in the money world. So it's like a connection in like finances, and I'm thinking that I'm gonna be around a bunch of guys in finances at this music festival. So, I get up there and I immediately start having beverages. It's kind of the thing, the Kelsey way of going about things. And I get shitfaced.

• 1:21:40Travis Kelce?

  Get shitfaced. Don't even really know who's on, who's performing at the concert. I'm just kind of up there like, hey,

• 1:21:48Travis Kelce?

  you got any more tequila? And, and a guy comes up and, and says, dude, Buffett's here. He wants to meet you. I'm like, holy shit, that's big money.

• 1:22:03Travis Kelce?

  I'm like, I am way too hammered to say hello to this guy. Start talking finances, uh... I gotta go then. Get it together, get a water. Where's the water? Where's the water? So I get a water, I go over to meet Buffett, I shake his hand, and man, we have the best conversation I've ever had in my life. The man is literally smiling from ear to ear. I'm thinking, I'm gonna be rich here soon. He's gonna invite me in on all of his investments.

• 1:22:30Travis Kelce?

  And he starts telling the story in high school when he, uh... He picked up the guitar for the first time.

• 1:22:37Travis Kelce?

  And I was like, right to his face. No way! Warren Buffett played the guitar?

• 1:22:47Travis Kelce?

  And his face went from smiling ear to ear...

• 1:22:52Travis Kelce?

  To not smiling at all.

• 1:22:55Travis Kelce?

  And then got tapped on the shoulder because he had to go sing "Margaritaville."

• 1:23:02Travis Kelce?

  So I was his biggest cheerleader, singing "Margaritaville" on the side. So I have an episode of face blindness at least once a month, and that was my... That was me mistaking Jimmy Buffett, the late, great, unbelievable Jimmy Buffett, for, uh... Thinking Warren Buffett was gonna be at a music festival in the Hamptons. That's probably the most embarrassing story I have for you guys. That Jason doesn't tell, but he loves to tee that one up for me.

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  I love that story so much.

• 1:23:29Travis Kelce?

  Thank you very much. We have another... Hold on, we have another... Another question? Next up is Tara.

• 1:23:36Speaker 06

  Hi guys, my name's Tara. I am from Vegas, but...

• 1:23:40Travis Kelce?

  Alright, okay. I'm really kind, I'm very fine in Las Vegas.

• 1:23:43Speaker 06

  Oh, yes. I'm a kindergarten teacher in Vegas, but, uh...

• 1:23:49Travis Kelce?

  You're teaching them how to play blackjack or not?

• 1:23:51Speaker 06

  You know what? Gotta start young, gotta start young, so... Anyways, I'm from Vegas, but I'm originally from Wickliffe, Ohio.

• 1:23:59Travis Kelce?

  Oh, the Wickliffe, Ohio. I love it, right down the street.

• 1:24:03Speaker 06

  Well, yes, I used to live directly next door to Aunt Judy.

• 1:24:06Travis Kelce?

  Shut up.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh!

• 1:24:08Travis Kelce?

  Shut your trap. You know Aunt Judy?

• 1:24:11Speaker 06

  I swear to God, swear to God.

• 1:24:13Travis Kelce?

  The festival right behind the...

• 1:24:14Speaker 06

  Oh, I went to Our Lady of Mark Carmel's school, right next door.

• 1:24:17Travis Kelce?

  She's not lying.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  What years is this?

• 1:24:20Speaker 06

  It's legit, what?

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  What years is this? Did you see us come through that neighborhood?

• 1:24:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, my mom tells me stories about your dad would bring you guys over and to Aunt Judy's and Randy's.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:24:30Speaker 06

  Yep, so...

• 1:24:32Travis Kelce?

  This is down memory lane. I appreciate you guys appreciating this connection.

• 1:24:35Speaker 06

  I know, right? Like, we are bonding. We are bonding.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Is there a question?

• 1:24:39Speaker 06

  Right, yes. So, see, I'm seeing, no. I just wanted to know, do you remember back in the day going to Aunt Judy's and visiting and possibly two little girls that lived next door that you hung out with? Because we did.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:24:55Speaker 06

  Come on, no pressure. No pressure.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  Who was Aunt Judy?

• 1:24:59Speaker 06

  Your Aunt Judy, yes. My mom's name was Donna, too, or is Donna. Sorry, she did not. But yeah, my mom's name is... Sorry, Mom. Sorry, Mom. But my mom's name is Donna as well.

• 1:25:10Travis Kelce?

  No, we, um...

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  We're trying to remember the other girls, seriously. Do you remember two little girls we would visit? So, yeah, I think there was a number of people in that block area that we knew.

• 1:25:22Speaker 06

  Very true.

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  And there was a lot of kids. There's definitely, like, families in that neighborhood.

• 1:25:28Speaker 06

  Yes, getting closer.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  So, yes, I remember them vividly.

• 1:25:33Speaker 06

  Yes, so...

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  I am going to use this time to shout out Aunt Judy. We have one of the best aunts of all time.

• 1:25:39Travis Kelce?

  And Uncle Don's right over here.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Uncle Don is here as well.

• 1:25:43Travis Kelce?

  We got some unbelievable aunts and uncles. And I will say this, going over to Aunt Judy's was one of the most exciting times, every time, because Aunt Judy spoiled the living shit out of us.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  Spoiled the shit out of us.

• 1:25:55Travis Kelce?

  Yep, what we didn't get from our parents, Aunt Judy made sure to have as soon as we walked through the door.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  She had so much candy and toys.

• 1:26:01Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. She taught me how to be a funkle.

• 1:26:03Speaker 02

  We couldn't wait to go to Aunt Judy's.

• 1:26:05Travis Kelce?

  And now I go over Jason's house and hand out bubble gums like it's candy.

• 1:26:10Speaker 06

  Thank you so much.

• 1:26:11Travis Kelce?

  I got the bubble gum.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  And she was the only person I knew that would swear at my dad, and he would just take it.

• 1:26:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:19Travis Kelce?

  We love it. Thank you. Thank you very much.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  One more?

• 1:26:22Travis Kelce?

  We'll do one more later.

• 1:26:23Speaker 02

  All right. Thanks, Jake.

• 1:26:25Travis Kelce?

  Jake, you got another, uh, no-dumb question for me?

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  Oh, there we go. We have two more no-dumb questions for you guys. First up is Sarah.

• 1:26:37Speaker 06

  Hello, I'm Sarah from Texas. Nice to meet y'all. Let's go! My question is, if you were followed around for 24 hours, what is the habit?

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  That would shock people the most.

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  Mom?

• 1:26:57Travis Kelce?

  That would shock people the most.

• 1:27:05Travis Kelce?

  Maybe how much deodorant I put on?

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  You put on a lot?

• 1:27:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I mean, I'm a spray deodorant guy, but I'm like.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  I notice it in the, uh, the green room.

• 1:27:17Travis Kelce?

  And then it's like, that's not the only place I have hair.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:20Travis Kelce?

  So then I'll go.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  This is all, this all makes so much more sense.

• 1:27:28Travis Kelce?

  I'm kidding. Nobody does that, right?

• 1:27:35Travis Kelce?

  What is a disgusting habit for Jason?

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  There's a lot. Everybody knows, um, I don't use shampoo.

• 1:27:44Travis Kelce?

  For what?

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  Kylie, at one point, said, "If you, you're making me break out in acne because you're not shampooing your beard."

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'm a hotspots guy. Hotspots.

• 1:28:03Travis Kelce?

  Hotspots.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  Hotspots.

• 1:28:05Travis Kelce?

  All right, well, there you go.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Pits, pits, this and that.

• 1:28:11Travis Kelce?

  And this is No Dumb Questions, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:28:16Travis Kelce?

  The questions that mean absolutely nothing, that you'll learn way too much about somebody than you could have ever imagined. You should go out and get our No Dumb Questions book. Did you guys know that we were authors?

• 1:28:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:29Travis Kelce?

  It's one of my most proud, there it is right there. I cannot read or write, but I got a book. What we got next?

• 1:28:37Speaker 04

  We have a No Dumb Question from a familiar face. This is Kason from Texas.

• 1:28:43Travis Kelce?

  Texas in the house. Kason, I think I know you.

• 1:28:46Speaker 06

  A little bit. So I got the, uh, the Jets Jake pin-up tattoo.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  For those of you who don't remember.

• 1:28:53Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 1:28:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, get that thing.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  There we go. Oh.

• 1:28:59Travis Kelce?

  He looks so much happier in a Knicks hat.

• 1:29:04Speaker 04

  So, uh, my no dumb question was, I was wondering since, uh, the Cowboys won the, the Chiefs Thanksgiving game.

• 1:29:12Travis Kelce?

  The fuck?

• 1:29:12Speaker 04

  Thank, thank you. Look, thank you for the ticket, I appreciate it.

• 1:29:16Speaker 02

  Let the man ask his question. Let the man ask his question.

• 1:29:21Travis Kelce?

  They cheated and you know they did.

• 1:29:24Speaker 04

  Thank you for the tickets, but, uh, we, we had a bet and if y'all won, I would get you on my other thigh. But I was thinking, since, uh...

• 1:29:32Travis Kelce?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:29:34Speaker 04

  Since, since they won and I got the, uh, Judge Jake pinup tattoo, could I chug a beer with you guys?

• 1:29:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh no.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  Next question.

• 1:29:43Travis Kelce?

  The consequences chugging beers.

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  Lime or original?

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  Lime.

• 1:29:49Travis Kelce?

  Alright, these boys have been on ice.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Alright, I feel a little, I'm gonna go air towards this way, Case, and I don't want this thing falling. There we go, there we go. Alrighty.

• 1:30:03Travis Kelce?

  Is this a chug off? Is this a three? Are we chugging off? Or are we just getting a nice little gentleman's chug?

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  Whatever you want.

• 1:30:14Travis Kelce?

  Are we doing, are we doing a chug off? What?

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  Alright, how are we doing this? Jake, you got a whistle or something?

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  Uh, 3-2-1.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  3-2-1, are we on go? Are you going 3-2-1 go?

• 1:30:31Speaker 04

  3-2-1 go.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:30:33Speaker 04

  Ready? 3-2-1, go!

• 1:30:43Travis Kelce?

  You're out of your game, little brother! Was that as good as the pinup tattoo, or no? That was great. I appreciate it, y'all. Thank you so much. Cheers, brother. Thank you, brother.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  Once again, shout out. Thank you for supporting and sponsoring the live show.

• 1:31:05Travis Kelce?

  Yes. Nothing parties like rental.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  Once again, that clip of Live No Them Questions was brought to you by Enterprise. And that wraps up another show and a season of New Heights. Thank you to all the 92%ers for tuning in. Thank you to our wonderful crew for putting the show on each and every week. It could not be possible without you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you to our wives and fiancés for allowing us to make fools of ourselves each and every week. And uh.

• 1:31:33Travis Kelce?

  Hopefully we haven't made too much of a fool for the household. All right. Once again, New Heights is a wondery show brought to you by Expedia, the place you go to go places. 92%ers, thank you so much for tuning in each and every single week. We'll see you guys next year with our 200th episode on the horizon, man. It's crazy, dawg. It's absolutely crazy. You guys are crazy. We appreciate you and love you so much. And we'll see you guys next year. To our production and team, we love you guys as well for always making it easy. Yes, you, Brandon. Shout out to Brandon and you, Jake, even though you're not here. We love you guys. Peace.