Prince William on England's World Cup, Travis at Wembley, NFL in the UK & America's 250th | Bonus EP

92%ers, welcome to another bonus episode of New Heights brought to you by Xfinity! Today, we are joined by His Royal Highness Prince William, The Prince of Wales! Prince William talks to the guys about his passion for Aston Villa F. C., England's confidence in the World Cup, and the NFL's growing presence overseas. Later, we talk about how football can bring people together, compare flopping in the NFL, his Mount Rushmore of English footballers, whether VAR is good for the game, and more! Shop our new merch at https://kelceclubhouse.com Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Support the show: XFINITY: Sponsored by Xfinity. Get the most reliable, fiber-powered WiFi from Xfinity at one price for 5 years, guaranteed. Plus, get online in minutes with same-day WiFi. Visit https://xfinity.com to get it now. Xfinity Imagine That. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 2:06Travis Kelce?

  Well, let's talk a little bit about the, the origin story of, of your football fandom. Our dad was Cleveland Brown fan growing up. Like we grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and he, I don't want to say he forced us, but he integrated us into being fans of that team. Did your dad get you into Aston Villa or is this your, your own doing?

• 2:28Speaker 03

  Absolutely not. My father hates football.

• 2:38Travis Kelce?

  Thanks to our presenting sponsor, Xfinity. Welcome back to new highs, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wondery show. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce, my big brother Jason Kelce, and boy, do we have a good one for you again. This is a unique one that, uh, that we've been pretty excited about to, to maybe get in the books for you guys. And, uh, what a more perfect time than, uh, talk about a little World Cup action with, um, somebody who's a little bit more familiar with the football version of soccer.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're not gonna waste any time. There's no new news. There's no other segments. This one came out of nowhere. Still don't really know how the fuck we're doing this.

• 3:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  But ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, our guest today is Prince William of Wales. Here you go. All righty, Trav, it's the World Cup and we haven't had any soccer fans on.

• 3:30Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I know, man. Do we know any soccer fans?

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Well, maybe our guest today, the six foot three Prince of London, England, maybe. That's right. The president of the English Football Association, the vice, vice royal patron of a Welsh rugby union, the Duke of Cambridge, the Duke of Cornwall, the Lord of the Isles, Prince of Great Stuart of Scotland, Earl of Chester, and the Prince of Wales. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome his royal highness Prince William.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  That is quite, quite an intro, guys. Amazing.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  We had to do it big for you. Had to do it big.

• 4:08Travis Kelce?

  Prince William, well, yeah, I got the chance to see you not too long ago and invited you on the show because we were talking a little Aston Villa soccer, some excitement about the World Cup. How are we feeling about England's win over, uh, over Croatia yesterday or a couple of days ago?

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Very good, Travis. I'm so pleased it's got on the way. I've been looking forward to the World Cup for ages. It feels like a long time between, uh, the years it comes around again, but it's so good it's back on again.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  So obviously we were very much knowledgeable in the world of American football. You know your soccer. You've been around the game for a long time. You've been 20 years, I think, the head of the?

• 4:41Speaker 03

  FA, the Football Association. Yeah.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  What is it about this team that makes you extra confident? You know, I think there's a, it seems like a good blend of experience and youth and all that. Where do you sit with the team?

• 4:53Speaker 03

  So first of all, Jason, I have to correct you. It's football.

• 4:59Travis Kelce?

  Touche, touche.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Fair, fair, fair.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  And second of all, yeah, I've been, I was president of the FA, the Football Association for, since about 2010. I'm now patron. And yeah, I've been watching many, many England teams. And back in the day, you guys may not even heard of Wayne Rooney.

• 5:16Travis Kelce?

  Oh, we know Rooney. Come on now.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  That was, if I would have played soccer, I would have wanted to play like Wayne Rooney. I loved his aggression.

• 5:24Travis Kelce?

  Just all hard hustle all over the field. You know it.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  He's a, he's a fast, he's a fast guy. He's aggressive. And when I was growing up, watching him play was really exciting. I always felt like we had a really good chance. But as each World Cup goes on and the results don't quite go your way, a little bit of hope gets chipped away each time.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  And so I'm just, you know, I'm taking it calmly and quietly and like, come on, we can do well and see how we go. But I am quietly confident. I think Thomas Tuchel, who's the manager, the coach, he's got them into a really good frame of mind. The team are playing with more freedom, more fluidity. I think Gareth, who was a previous manager, his philosophy was very much of defence. So if we don't let goals in, we'll win. Thomas, I think, prefers to go a bit more out there. And if we lose, we lose playing the way we want to play. And if you're going to score four goals, we'll score five. And I think that's a really good, it's a really good attitude.

• 6:19Travis Kelce?

  I love some high flying action, man. It sounds like when, when we got old Patty Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes for the Chiefs, when we got him, it was just like, man, we're just going to try and outscore you, then just touchdown you to death, man. Do you know what a touchdown is, personally?

• 6:34Speaker 03

  I know what a touchdown is. I can't say I've ever done one for real, but I've

• 6:39Speaker 03

  I've tried to do a couple of touchdowns, nearly put out my shoulder blade, but apart from that, yeah.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  We do have a clip of you throwing the ball. You can sling it pretty good. That was a good throw into the net there.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Well, we had the NFL over here. Obviously, they're playing quite a few matches and I went to see them train and play and I had a couple of Welsh guys who were also training at the time. And I love the American football. It's brilliant. I used to play on the beach with friends and stuff like that, but how you guys do it as many times as you do and all the tactics, it's really quite intense.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  It is interesting. I mean, the NFL has been playing over in London for a long time now. Do you feel like the fan base in London is growing for American football?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Definitely. It's getting more and more popular. And I think the more people that see it, the more it's televised. I think if we could understand the rules a bit more over here, that might help. Because like I say, it is quite tactical and it's those sort of short breaks of play that I think we over here, that we're used to a match running for 90 odd minutes. It doesn't really stop.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  So that bit of it is kind of explaining the tactics behind it makes a bit more appealing to most people over here.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  That's good. Good to know. Good to know. We're going to be over there this year. Eagles are playing in the new Tottenham Stadium. We've played in Wembley before. You've played in Wembley.

• 7:51Travis Kelce?

  I've played, yeah. I've had the fortune of playing at Wembley and it was one of the coolest experiences I've ever had in my life. Yeah. I remember I scored a touchdown there and I was like, where's that football? I need to put that thing in a glass case. I need to, I need to get it painted and everything, man. It was a, it was a, it was an unbelievable experience, but the, the London crowd is so, it's like in American football, typically the excitement isn't every single play. When you're, when we played at Wembley, it was every single play was exciting for, for the crowd and it just, you could, you could feel the passion and, and the desire for it over there. And we love playing overseas, that's for sure.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  You think the US is doing pretty good as a host city so far?

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's fantastic. I think it's been a brilliant World Cup. It's been really well sort of started and I think the tournament's been well balanced. Logistically for everyone, being in Canada, the US and Mexico.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Makes it really hard for the teams moving around.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  It does feel like this is the most spread out a World Cup has ever been, which is one of the downs. I mean, it's really nice that all of North America is getting highlighted. But I went to Brazil for the World Cup in 2014 and one of the things that was just incredible was how many different countries are all, you know, brought together to unite over the game. And obviously, everybody's trying to win, but there's so many people all over the place from different nationalities. It's one of the great joys of watching the World Cup and why it really takes over you. It's just, there's something special about that event in particular and how much it means to the entire world.

• 9:31Travis Kelce?

  Well, let me ask you this, Prince William. We are, for all the English fans that have come over or are coming over for the World Cup, what do you think the biggest culture shock is over here in America for them?

• 9:43Speaker 03

  Oh, good question. I think-

• 9:45Travis Kelce?

  Is it the light beer? Is it the?

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, the beer definitely is going to taste different, I think, for one of them. I think you have to make your match. You've seen a lot of beer drinkers from the UK.

• 9:57Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  We can hand our own beer to anyone. But I think, I think the scale of your stadiums, I think the size of them is really going to be quite a culture shock for a lot of fans. I mean, we really know our football, so to see stadiums that are bigger and kind of an amazing atmosphere that we can also emulate here, that's, that's quite a big deal.

• 10:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Do you think, one of the things that stands out to me, I've talked about this a lot, the United States, we lack the veracity of soccer chants, like the tenacity and passion. And one thing that the UK has down is soccer chants. Like, I don't, I mean, I love watching those clips, the Man United chant for Zlatan Ibrahimovic, like, all that stuff is just incredible. But it leads to, it points out the difference in the culture between how England views soccer and how the United States views it. How do we get that in the US? What do, what do we need to do to build a foundation of just such passion?

• 10:54Speaker 03

  It's a good point. I think you guys have so much passion already in terms of your American football, your baseball, basketball, those are massive parts of your cultural heritage. And I think trying to create that same tribalness around football- Football would be really useful.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  So over here, the tribality of your club team and it's like a second family for a lot of fans. Really means it plays very importantly in your emotions and you know, my weekend goes from being either the best weekend in the world when we win. Or to frankly, I don't want to see anyone on Monday morning because I'm really down.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 03

  Um, and that lasts for quite a few days. So, uh, you know, you guys get that in other ways, but I think if you can attach that to football as well. Then you or soccer, then you get it.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it, it does feel like the pub is a central like part of just English sports. Like you, we mentioned, uh, like rugby as well. It feels like there's that communal aspect where everybody comes together and. Those are all the videos I see online, right? Or when everybody's going crazy at the pub, watching the games. Is, is that a part of it? Just like coming together and bonding over the sport and, you know. Enjoying the wins and relishing the losses. Yeah.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Definitely. I think, you know, there's rowdy evenings, those long afternoons, a few drinks, uh, the social elements of it. Uh, you know, there's plenty of chance you guys don't want to hear.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  They're pretty, they're pretty spicy. They're quite rude to broadcast. So, you know, yeah.

• 12:22Travis Kelce?

  Those are the ones we want.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:25Travis Kelce?

  I will say this. So England is, uh, back to a little bit of the, uh. English coming to America. England's home base is Kansas City. And I got a lot of pride for Kansas City. Um, it's kind of slowly become like one of, uh, American soccer football's. Uh, US hubs, like we love our soccer in Kansas City. And, uh, I think it's doing a great job right now of hosting, but coming to Kansas City, have you, have you had barbecue before Prince?

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Uh, probably not one of your barbecues, Travis. No.

• 12:59Travis Kelce?

  Do you, do you know what a burnt end is?

• 13:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 13:02Travis Kelce?

  No. We gotta get you some end of that brisket, big guy. Come on down, man.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  It doesn't sound great, Travis.

• 13:09Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 13:11Travis Kelce?

  I promise you, you'd love it.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Let me ask you this, you've been the president of English of the FA for 20 years. What do you view is the role? What is your role within that?

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Just don't mess up.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  That's good, that's good. But do you?

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think the role I've wanted to play with the FA has been very much kind of cheerleader, supporter of all things England team, supporting the FA who are the governing body and making sure that they feel they've got the backing of sort of the country and getting on with what they need to do around football. I think trying to support our World Cup or European bids, you know, this country particularly is mad about soccer and football. So trying to get a World Cup to be hosted here or a Euros here is fantastic and been trying to do a bit of work on that. But also I think I'll be trying to help reform the system of it as well.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  So some of our football legislation and the way we do football, sort of regulatory stuff goes back a long way and trying to update it at times and make sure it's more relevant. Bear in mind, the women's game particularly has come out of a smaller world to now being massive. And I'm not sure we quite reflect that in how we look after the football game.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  What do you view as football's role within society or just sports in general? Like its ability to unite people, to bring people together?

• 14:40Speaker 03

  I love it. I think the more sport we can do, not only is it good for health, particularly mental health, mental fitness.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  It's a way to let out some steam. I think you guys won't know it yet because you're still, you're younger than me and well, Travis is still playing as well. But when you stop playing any sport, it's you really pine for it. And it's that competitive sort of spirit and that camaraderie, particularly around teammates and like having that, you miss it a bit. And I, you know, for me, sport has been that, that bit that's filled the hole that's been missing in my life since I've not been able to carry on playing sport.

• 15:16Travis Kelce?

  I hear you. Well, let's talk a little bit about the origin story of your football fandom. Our dad was Cleveland Brown fan growing up, like we grew up in Cleveland, Ohio. And he, I don't want to say he forced us, but he integrated us into being fans of that team. Did your dad get you into Aston Villa or is this your own doing?

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Absolutely not. My father hates football.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  My, my family haven't got a particularly long history with football. There are a few of us who, who support teams. My, my football love came from friends taking me to my first match.

• 15:55Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  At school growing up, you can't, you can't avoid the football chat. It's everywhere.

• 16:00Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 03

  And some school friends, sort of charter friends of mine, took me to my first game. And actually I saw Gareth Southgate the other day, just this week. And he reminded me that the first match I saw was he was playing in it.

• 16:14Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  The previous England manager used to play for Aston Villa at club level.

• 16:18Travis Kelce?

  That's cool.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  The first, the first game, he was a defender playing in the match that I watched in 2000, which was Aston Villa versus Bolton.

• 16:25Travis Kelce?

  God, time flies, man. That's cool.

• 16:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it does.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  We gotta ask, we're gonna go to this last section here. All right, Prince?

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  America is turning 250 years this year. Be honest, are you surprised we made it?

• 16:40Speaker 03

  There, there were times, there were times, yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 03

  But I'd like to think the UK and the US have been together for those 250 years.

• 16:47Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 16:48Speaker 03

  It's a good, it's a good brotherhood.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  It has been. It has been a really good brotherhood. All righty, this one's a very obvious one, I feel like, but what is the more iconic moment at Wembley Stadium? Travis scoring a touchdown in 2015 against the Lions or Travis as a backup dancer to the one and only Taylor Swift?

• 17:06Speaker 03

  Travis is a backup dancer.

• 17:09Travis Kelce?

  Definitely a very proud moment of my life, for sure.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  I think you should do it again.

• 17:14Travis Kelce?

  Exactly. Yeah, listen, if Hay's gonna sign up for a tour, I'll happily make sure that we bring her back to life. No, that was honestly one of the coolest moments ever was meeting you and the little ones that day. Me and Jason joke about it all the time. We were so nervous to meet you guys and the royal family and, and we, Jason has this running joke where he didn't know what to do with his beer.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wasn't a joke. It was real.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  I don't know what, well, you want to be respectful and, and know what the protocols and the protocols are.

• 17:45Travis Kelce?

  Of course.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  No, it was awesome and you were fantastic.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  The kids were great.

• 17:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Charlotte's Princess Charlotte was still the highlight for me. I have four daughters as well. So, I mean, she, she was great.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  No, congratulations. I have four daughters. I don't know how you do that.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  That is definitely a difficult task, the hardest job. We're going to ask you a Mount Rushmore. We do this with a lot of our guests. It's a carving on the side of a mountain of four of our greatest presidents. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  We do this to say who are the four greatest in whatever field. So we're going to ask you, Prince William, who is on your Mount Rushmore of English soccer players? Or football players?

• 18:33Travis Kelce?

  English footballers.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, football players. Okay, that's really hard. So they've got to be English, yeah?

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, that is the one.

• 18:41Travis Kelce?

  Let's say, yeah, we can throw the England team, the English teams.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Okay, so best, best of all time English players, what we're saying?

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  So for that, David Beckham's got to be in there.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Yes, love that.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Probably, probably the best crosser of the ball I've ever seen and probably ever will see.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  He's up there. I would say, well, it's difficult because Gary Lineker would be in there somewhere with his goals, but then Harry Kane's just about to overtake him.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  So, you know, those two are very tied together. Harry Kane could end up being one of the greatest English strikers we've ever seen.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  I think, who else? I grew up watching, trying to think of some different positions. So Steven Gerrard.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  An amazing midfielder as well, absolutely fantastic player. Frank Lampard, him as well.

• 19:32Travis Kelce?

  Lampard.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  And, and Wayne, Wayne Rooney's got to be in there too. That generation I was really hopeful for and absolutely loved them. But if you're going, you know, a long way back, it's Bobby Charlton as well, you know, one of the greatest of all time English players. The selection there, different, different genres, different genres.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  You know, you bring up, first of all, outstanding list.

• 19:49Travis Kelce?

  Did you just knight everybody you just said?

• 19:51Speaker 03

  I tried to, yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  What is, one of the things that you brought up Wayne Rooney earlier, one of the Things I always loved about his game is that he didn't, I mean, maybe he has, and I just don't remember this clip. I don't remember him ever taking a dive. I always remember him fighting through contact and continually going hard. One of the things that happened in the USA game against Paraguay, uh, Ream was given a yellow card. And they looked at the official review and they found that the player had taken a dive from Paraguay. And they reversed the yellow card. Do you think this is good for the game of soccer to get that kind of aspect out of it? And that replay is now getting rid of something that I think a lot of fans have been frustrated about?

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so. It's a really hard one because we've got this technology now. And there's been a lot of, a lot of chat around VAR, uh, the Video Assistant Referee and also reviewing everything.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  But the problem is that because we have the technology, we, it's hard to say, well, don't use the technology. So we've just got to get to a system and a point where it's better and it's working quicker. Cause I think the delays are the hardest thing.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  But I think being able to iron out diving is good. But then you're seeing some of the times watching the matches, you see actual proper like American football style tackles going on inside the penalty area for a corner. And yet, yet VAR never steps in for that. So you've got to be careful. What you wish for is that it kind of, it could become so staccato that you don't end up having a free flowing game at all.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, we deal with similar issues in American football, even though there's way more stoppages just in general. So it's easier to, there's, it's not as flowing, free flow of a game is obviously soccer, football is.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Sorry to interrupt. Are we going to call it soccer slash football forever now?

• 21:32Speaker 02

  It's messing with my head.

• 21:35Travis Kelce?

  We just don't want to confuse anyone on which sport we're talking.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  But the, it's, it is the same thing. And when the subjective calls come in and it's hard, the, the slow motion doesn't necessarily tell the whole story, right? The tugging of a jersey feels different when it's in slow motion sometimes than it does in real speed and in real time to the ref on the field. That's where I feel like sometimes it's really difficult on our field to like, is a pass interference, do we want replay assist? To interfere with those type of penalties and things.

• 22:05Travis Kelce?

  Nope. Put it on the ref.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Anyways.

• 22:07Travis Kelce?

  Put it on the ref.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  What are some of the tactical fouls that you guys can do in your game?

• 22:12Speaker 02

  So it, it's, are we talking about replay assist or are we just talking like in general?

• 22:17Speaker 03

  In general. So of course things like, um, you know, taking a dive is, is, can be seen as a, you know, professional foul. What's the equivalent in American football?

• 22:26Speaker 02

  I don't know that there is a, I mean, if somebody took a dive, which I don't think of, some guys do.

• 22:32Travis Kelce?

  Whoa, whoa, don't be pointing fingers over here. Sometimes you gotta help the ref see that he's holding you because it can be, it can get, so physical games, you get real tight.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a good, it's a good question. I don't think that it has been waved as much of a flag on that. There are definitely guys in the game, you know, when a guy is trying to get a penalty, right? Like a defender might be out, he might not be able to get to the ball carrier. So he'll put his arms up like this to try and get a holding call to take a big run back. A receiver might fall down to make it look more like it's pass interference. I guess that would be unsportsmanlike conduct, but I've never seen that called.

• 23:15Travis Kelce?

  No, I haven't seen it called.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  I wouldn't mind it being called.

• 23:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it's more frowned upon by the fans, I feel like, than it is a penalty of any sort.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Because you can, you know, the players now in football, say, the attacking team are getting away and they're gonna look like they're getting a good chance to score. The first person that comes in just basically takes out the player and they'll receive a yellow card for it, but it's basically a professional foul because they're stopping their game, knowing full well what they're doing.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 23:44Travis Kelce?

  God, that's a, that's a cutthroat fucking mentality, Jesus.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  There's some rules in place with, with American football where if a guy is like off and running, and it hasn't happened, but like if somebody commits a foul way behind or a penalty way behind the play.

• 24:01Travis Kelce?

  You can get ejected.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  You can get ejected, you can, you can also decline and accept these penalties in American football. So like if it does try to affect the play in a negative way, the other team usually just declines it because they still get the yardage on it.

• 24:16Travis Kelce?

  All right, Prince, we got one more question for you. We ask everybody, what's their welcome to their profession, their fandom moment in their league when they find, when they had this realization of an epiphany that they're, that they're doing it? What was your welcome to football moment?

• 24:34Speaker 03

  My welcome to football moment? So what, like my biggest, the biggest kind of moment where I felt I loved it?

• 24:39Travis Kelce?

  Yes, or you're in for the long haul.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I think weirdly this is sounds very odd, but I I got into football more than ever when we got relegated. So when when Aston Villa went from Premiership to Championship, I I suddenly really enjoyed the battle to get back in the Premiership. You do almost, I think you do 40 matches, I think, in the Championship, which is way more than you do in the Premiership. And I I got really into that. And it was midweek games and you could watch it coming back in after, you know, being out for the day. And yeah, I loved all that. And it got me straight back in there. But obviously, my highlight, having been a fan for how many years now of Aston Villa, is the Europa League final. And and winning a trophy is just the best thing, because I was born a month after they won

• 25:27Speaker 03

  the European Cup in 82. So I felt like I'm that generation's missed out on on many big opportunities. We won our cup in 1996. That was a domestic one. But a European one we haven't won since 82. So it's a big deal.

• 25:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, hell yeah. Prince William, the guy you want in the foxhole, they get regulated, he gets more into it. That's what I'm talking about.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Relegation, I really love that concept in European sports in general. But I think that's something that in the United States, we deal with a lot of teams tanking at the end of the year to try and get better draft picks, improvements. The idea that not only the best teams going to be recognized and honored, but the worst teams, you're actually out of the league.

• 26:07Travis Kelce?

  Could you imagine?

• 26:09Speaker 02

  It puts an extra amount of emphasis and pressure on those teams trying to be competitive. And it also, it also builds the foundation of the game. Like you just said, more, there's more depth to all these other communities that don't really, you know, maybe they don't have the same amount of resources or whatever, but they're in those leagues and there's a chance they could get into the Premier League. And obviously, yeah, go ahead.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  And Jason, that's exactly the point is that that the idea that any club can get to the top of the Premiership is potentially there. Now, you know, realistically, it's a huge challenge depending on which club you support and what your finances are like and the size of the stadium and all that sort of stuff. But the fact that you could do it, and obviously, I don't know if you remember, but Leicester City, I forget which year it was, they were an outside. Kind of like dark horse to do anything. They went and won the premiership like there wasn't another football fan in the country that thought good on Leicester. That was an amazing achievement. So we love the idea of someone coming out of the the normal top six, seven teams and winning the premiership.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  This is the World Cup. Obviously you guys are coming off of the big game against Croatia. What in your mind is the successful World Cup for England?

• 27:12Speaker 03

  I think winning it.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  That's the easiest answer.

• 27:18Travis Kelce?

  They make they make it to the finals. You're gonna you're gonna make the the trip across the pond?

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Definitely. If we're in the finals.

• 27:25Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man. Well.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  Maybe maybe see you both there for the final.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh. Come on now. Sign me up. You you you might be in training camp.

• 27:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I probably I probably won't be able to go. I'll probably be in St. Joe, Missouri.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  We'll sneak you out for a night.

• 27:38Speaker 03

  Tell me, yeah. Tell me. Tell me who I need to write to Travis. We'll get you out.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Hey, there you go.

• 27:42Travis Kelce?

  There we go. And Coach Reed, listen, Prince William called.

• 27:48Travis Kelce?

  I'll be back tomorrow.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 27:51Travis Kelce?

  Friends, appreciate the time, the stories. The fandom is awesome to hear about and wishing England the best and always wishing you and the royal family the best, man. You guys are awesome.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  Thank you, Travis. Thank you, guys. Really great to see you guys. And yeah, catch up soon.

• 28:05Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Sounds good.

• 28:08Travis Kelce?

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• 28:11Speaker 02

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• 28:21Travis Kelce?

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• 28:42Travis Kelce?

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• 28:50Speaker 02

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• 29:03Travis Kelce?

  Insane.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  We have nothing else for you guys. That's a that's a wrap on this episode. We hope you enjoyed it. We hope you're enjoying the World Cup.

• 29:10Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights is a Wondery show. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week to the Prince of Wales. We appreciate you to England. Good luck in the U. S. Let's fucking go, baby. Thanks to our presenting sponsor, Xfinity. Thank you to the New Heights production and thank you to all the 92 percenters. Enjoy the World Cup. Peace.

• 29:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, when we started this thing, I don't think, uh.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  We thought we were gonna be talking to like fat offensive lineman, not

• 29:49Speaker 02

  not kings, queens, princes of other nations. Yeah. This is

• 29:56Travis Kelce?

  What is life?

• 29:57Speaker 02

  It is. It's crazy. And it's also very fitting. I mean, obviously, America is 250 years old this year. Having the World Cup in the United States and in North America. Some very fun world stage things happening this year. I was just at the crossing of the Delaware the other day.

• 30:13Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I forgot to ask him about the Ascots, man.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Should have asked him about the Hessians.

• 30:19Travis Kelce?

  The huh?

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Hessians.

• 30:21Travis Kelce?

  Talk to me.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  When we were fighting the Revolutionary War.

• 30:24Travis Kelce?

  Oh, God. Thank God.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  We were not only fighting the English, the redcoats, we were also fighting mercenaries hired by England. They hired a bunch of German soldiers.

• 30:36Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  That were known for like eating babies and a bunch of other bad guys. Bad guys.

• 30:44Travis Kelce?

  I'm so glad you didn't ask him about that.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Wanted to keep it light. Brandon, are you coming to tell us to stop talking about all this?

• 30:52Speaker 04

  You can do whatever you want. I'm telling you where I'm sitting. Probably cut the Hessian stuff in half, probably.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  I do. Can I point out something to you? Can I point out something real quick?

• 31:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  Maybe we use it, but we don't. The fact that our week consisted of you dunking with Will Ferrell.

• 31:10Travis Kelce?

  This is a crazy.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Blocking an Alex Morgan penalty kick.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Pregnant Alex.

• 31:15Speaker 04

  Then we talked to

• 31:18Speaker 04

  and we ended the week by talking to Prince William.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a pretty crazy world.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 31:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, no, this is, this is insane.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Our podcasting is great.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  This has gotten out of hand. We gotta dial it back.