#2519 - Scott Eastwood

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Scotty, good to see you, brother. What's happening?

• 0:15Speaker 02

  You know, back in the seat, back in the hot seat.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  You're looking good, dude. Look at you, handsome bastard. What's this box?

• 0:22Speaker 02

  This is the best supplements on the planet sourced from Japan, America, and Switzerland. North Performance, Dr. Massey, do you know him? He's a Stanford doc. He started the company. I'm involved. I'm getting heavily involved in the ownership of it. And I'm excited about it. It's a one, you take it a day, like one satchel. It's got all the shit.

• 0:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's like a pre-pack?

• 0:48Speaker 02

  It's a pre-pack.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, I like pre-packs.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, one and done.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  I don't like to think.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  Give me pre-pack.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I like, I take pures now. I take pure encapsulations. They have those little men's Ultra Packs, or whatever it's called.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  I take those every day, with a bunch of other shit.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  I'll try your stuff, though.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  Okay, check it out.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  So what's so special about these vitamins?

• 1:10Speaker 02

  You know, it's just, it's more for the person who's like, wants to excel in training. So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines, your MNN.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  All of it in one supplement?

• 1:20Speaker 02

  It's big. You'll see.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  Let me see. Pull that bitch out.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  Let's open it up, baby.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Let's fucking go.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  By the way, this is not an ad. I mean, I guess it is for Scott, but it's like,

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Well, I know you're involved in your AG.

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I just want people to know that like,

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35Joe Rogan?

  I talk about cool shit regardless of whether or not it's an ad. And if something's gonna be an ad, I have to approve it.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  Ooh, look at you.

• 1:42Joe Rogan?

  Need a knife?

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's bust it out.

• 1:45Joe Rogan?

  Montana Knife Company, son.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  There you go. Good for cutting elk.

• 1:49Joe Rogan?

  That's a Skinner, boy.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  Look at that sucker.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  Shave that dog, teach it to hunt.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  The best knives. Okay. All right, supplements.

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, how long have you been involved in the, the, the whole supplement thing? Like, have you always taken them? Oh, it's all in powder?

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:08Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. Bruh, try dry scooping that, you're gonna choke to death. That's, that's a lot of powder.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  It's a lot of powder.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  That, I believe, okay? Now, uh, uh, at least I'm more convinced. Cause there's a lot of volume here.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Obviously, there's a lot of stuff. Like, if you took every vitamin that I take every day and you busted them up and put them into what powder form? It would be like this.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Exactly. So, it's 70 plus vitamins in there. And that's the biggest thing, right? Like, efficacy and quantity. You need the right amount.

• 2:36Joe Rogan?

  Do you just mix this with water? Is that how you do it?

• 2:38Speaker 02

  Yep. Mix it with a big water. And then you just don't have to think about it. Cause I was doing so many a day.

• 2:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  As you probably are.

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  It's like, oh, dude.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  Ran out of that one. Oh, I gotta wear that thing.

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  So, you're involved in this company. Did you guys ever send the stuff out for third-party testing? Do you ever do that?

• 2:53Speaker 02

  It's totally third-party tested. So, my, my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it essentially for himself. He was like, I want the best of the best. He's like 55, but he's an adventure athlete. And he's like, I want the best of the best.

• 3:06Joe Rogan?

  All in one.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  I don't care what it costs. And he's like, wait a sec. I think I can make a business out of this. So, that's where we're at.

• 3:12Joe Rogan?

  Good for you, dude.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so for people at home, what's the name of the company again?

• 3:16Speaker 02

  North Performance.

• 3:16Joe Rogan?

  North Performance? And is there a website they can go to?

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Yep. It's, we're just launching it. It's gonna be unsubscription-based. Come to your house every month.

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Don't have to think about it.

• 3:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I like not thinking.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:27Joe Rogan?

  You got me. Got me hooked already, son. All the things. Volume, so I'm, I'm believing in it.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:33Joe Rogan?

  You know? Uh, when I know if you're, you're a very reputable and ethical guy. I know if you're involved in something, it's gonna be legit anyway. So, that's cool to know. How long have you been taking supplements? Have you been a vitamin guy forever?

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I cycle in and out, like anything.

• 3:48Joe Rogan?

  Do you?

• 3:49Speaker 02

  I, I, my, my non-negotiables typically are, uh, fish oil.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Vitamin D. I take, you know, MNN or NAD.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  And then glutathione. My dad was always a massive glutathione guy.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of real health benefits to glutathione. I think especially liposomal glutathione, which is, I think, more bioabsorbable.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's awesome, dude. Good for you. I think, and don't listen to your doctor. If you have a doctor like I had, my doctor said, all you need is a balanced diet. Most of those vitamins you're just gonna pee out. And I looked at him like, dude, you look like shit. I didn't say it, but I was trying to be nice. He was out of pot belly. I'm like, this is crazy. You have zero muscle.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  And you're telling me about balanced diets. Like, this is bananas, dude. And now that I've looked back on it, he was probably how old I am now. You know, and he looked like shit. There's a lot of doctors that don't understand that if you want to optimize your health, it's not about what the 100% of the, you know, USDA or whatever it is, the requirements. Like, there's real science on what the right doses are. And you can find it. It's just complicated. You gotta go online and you gotta go, what's the optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above vitamin D? Are there benefits of having a high level of vitamin D?

• 5:14Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 5:15Joe Rogan?

  And if you really want to do it right, you should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over your blood. Fortunately, we have ways to well in town, so I do it with them.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 5:23Joe Rogan?

  They go over your blood work. They'll actually make you a vitamin that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all in pill form, tell you how many to take a day, and they'll send you like a bag of vitamins. It's amazing.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've been actually, I've been actually thinking about doing that test, because there are certain doctors that'll tell you, your sort of, your blood type will dictate what you should be eating.

• 5:45Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  And I've never really got that done. Or no, and I know certain people just are like, this is a game changer.

• 5:53Joe Rogan?

  I wonder how much of that is voodoo.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  It might be.

• 5:56Joe Rogan?

  You know.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Little video.

• 5:56Joe Rogan?

  It kinda makes sense, though, if your ancestors came from a specific part of the world. You know what I mean?

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, we know that's the case with alcohol. Like, people whose ancestors came from a society.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  Asia.

• 6:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, like particularly Native Americans, had a really hard time with it. Because they just weren't built to metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as a part of their world. And I guess if you're in a part of the world where your ancestors ate mostly meat, I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits right in there. And if you come from a place where they ate a lot of specific kinds of grains, like, I would, I would wonder, like, how much of that stuff is real? Like, blood type versus what food you should eat? Because everybody should, what everybody eats, proteins, amino acids, vitamins, you know, and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables and meat and food and fish and eggs.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  I mean, if you're, if you're looking at the Blue Zone, right?

• 6:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  They essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet. And it's a kind of a variety everything. They don't just eat red meat, but they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat and they do drink wine. And they sort of have this diet that is kind of a bunch of everything. And, you know, there's a bunch of other factors as well, you know, purpose.

• 7:14Joe Rogan?

  Physical activity.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Physical activity, community.

• 7:17Joe Rogan?

  I think a, a big one with all these Blue Zone people is they're just eating real food. That's the real problem. What, what people need to truly get into their head is the majority of the American diet, as delicious as it tastes, is like.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Garbage.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  It's bad for you.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:34Joe Rogan?

  It's actually bad for you. It's not good for you. Real food is good for you. If you go and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado and a nice salad and a glass of sparkling water, that's actually really good for you. Whereas, versus if you go and have a fucking Jack in the Box double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries, like, that's poison.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Poison.

• 8:01Joe Rogan?

  It's delicious poison.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Now, I will say, I just got back from Europe. My body there feels so much better. And I eat pretty healthy, okay? I eat healthy here and I eat pretty healthy there.

• 8:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody has the same story.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  So what's going on?

• 8:15Joe Rogan?

  It's our food. Our food's bad. And it's, there's a guy who broke it down. Remember that dude with cowboy hat, Jamie?

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• 11:28Speaker 02

  The gluten is, the glyphosate, right?

• 11:30Joe Rogan?

  Bromine, there's a bunch of the other compounds, there's a bunch of preservatives. All that stuff is, again, bad for you. And all these people that live in Italy and live in these Mediterranean diet places, what are they eating? They're eating food, actual food, real food.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  But it's not just, it's not just that. It's like the way the dairy's processed, right? So, you know, and I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple of times ago in Europe. And I asked, I said, "Why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America?" And they're like, "Well, first off, the process of making this cheese is like four to six hours in the morning every day, and it gets the lactose out. Whereas we just slap it in and send it out." You know, and it's like, that's not the way it should happen.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  It's also raw cheese. You know, I had a, this, I bought a house from this guy who was from France. Really cool guy. He was a doctor, very interesting dude. I got to know him, got to become friends with him. And he would smuggle cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California, 2003. Oh, really? Illegal to bring that cheese into America because it was raw. It hadn't been, all the biology in it hadn't been killed. Okay. So like when we're drinking, uh, raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes, you're getting it. And people could say, oh, you, are you a baby cow? You should be, like, it's really good nutrition.

• 12:57Joe Rogan?

  Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats, milk fat. It's good for you. It tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized pasteurized milk, your body's like, what is this? Yeah. Like, this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months? That's crazy. If you get raw milk, I get it on a Saturday, by Wednesday or Thursday, it gets a little sketch. Oh, yeah. It starts stinking. That's the, that's the cat. So this dude, listen to what this guy says. So he's talking to this guy. This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe.

• 13:30Speaker 05

  I don't know, America. Can't eat it.

• 13:34Speaker 06

  That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shelf-stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically-altered, bleached, bromated, fake-vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is.

• 14:27Joe Rogan?

  Uh, shout out to this guy. His name is Denny Dure. Uh, Denny, D-E-N-N-Y underscore D-U-R-E on Instagram. I just got it. Fuck with the audio there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  So what I get for that, and I have seen this, actually.

• 14:42Joe Rogan?

  Damn it.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  It's just essentially pure greed.

• 14:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  To keep bread shelf-stable for longer.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf-stable stuff that, and the problem is, it was, it was greenlit, right? So the problem is, whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RFK Jr. came in and said, "You have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals."

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  And they were saying, they were saying, "This is gonna ruin our business." And he was like, "You already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada, because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes."

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  The same cereal they make in the United States, and it looks not as good, because it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes that give you fucking cancer.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  But the reality is, it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way, and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They fucking hire lobbyists. They hire lobbyists, they get their guys into the FDA, they get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected. And then we keep eating dog shit, and we keep getting poisoned. And you go to Italy, and you have a spaghetti, and you feel great. You don't feel like you got shot with a tranquilizer dart. You know, it's kind of amazing.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  There's a dart in your neck, man.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  We've talked about it so many times, you go over there, and you're like, "Why am I living the way I live?"

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  These people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette, laughing.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I don't even understand, it's just like, that gets lumped into that, it's like, no, that's for the betterment of society.

• 16:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  What? Like, why is that a thing?

• 16:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we live in a weird world, man, a world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideologies. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like, when I was a kid, we used to go to the health food store. My, my parents were hippies, and they would buy, like, whole wheat bread, and, you know, like, they would try to buy, like, organic food, like, the, the, and that was the thing on the left. Avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because this, it's all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Junior. There's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody. Because somehow or another, they, they have this connected to some right-wing anti-science

• 17:06Joe Rogan?

  position. Like, god, you guys are getting brainwashed. We, we should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food. We've, we're not doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fattest fucking people on earth, while also being the most wealthy country.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, group think is like a crazy thing. It's a, uh, it's, it's, it's kinda, it's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping on to something they're, they've been told, or is in their echo chamber, or whatever. You know what I mean? I like to think, no matter what issue it is, I'm like, okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kinda look at both sides. Maybe there's like, and maybe there's some in-between. That's, both things can be true.

• 17:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes, for sure. And that's a problem. If you, if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying, and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for everybody. Like, I think the group think that we have to all really align with is the group think of being open-minded. Being, like, true, actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas, and also recognize that you are not your ideas. Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. You are you. And if you really want to have a stable you, you wanna be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to ideas.

• 18:34Joe Rogan?

  You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't, based on information, based on the reality of whatever, whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter is. But the reality is, like, you can't be married to your ideas. Because they'll fuck you. They'll fuck you over every time. It's like, it's not going to work. You have to be flexible. And you have to be willing to say, even though I hate this guy, he's right about that. It's very important.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Like, it's okay to be wrong.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, even though I think this guy's a piece of shit.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  I was wrong.

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  When he's saying, he lies about a lot of things. But that thing that he's saying is actually true.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Well, here's an even, to go even a little more, maybe an unpopular, or something people don't talk about is...

• 19:16Speaker 02

  They divide, in my opinion,

• 19:22Speaker 02

  to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitchforks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice in a team, that's when you're like, well, fuck that. They're taking our money. They're paying all these taxes. We're doing these things. And we actually don't have a choice.

• 19:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Maybe that's the reason it's, you know, there's these teams, red and blue. And it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions, the big money.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, for sure, they benefit from people being at each other's throats. They benefit from culture war stuff. They benefit from people arguing over whatever it is. Pride Month, or whatever it is. Black Lives Matter.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  Rile people up, and then people are thinking about this and this, instead of, hey, like, this is actually going on. And we're not talking about that.

• 20:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, look, every time there's, I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing, like, right afterwards.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  That's the real power.

• 20:18Joe Rogan?

  That's what they do. It's a good move. It's a good move to distract people. Because otherwise, that shit's gonna stay in the news cycle until something big happens. So you gotta make something big happen. Yeah, it's a, we're involved in a game, and we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place and vote for people that have similar values. That's not the game they're playing. The game they're playing is, let's pretend that we care. Let's pretend that we want to fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have healthcare. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're, a good percentage of them are demons. They're just sociopaths, completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are gonna have on people's

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't give a fuck. They care about their own career, and they want to keep on truck until they become the king of the country. And that's what they're trying to do. And that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that. And then there's real good people that get involved in politics as well. And, boy, we need them to make us feel better. This episode is brought to you by BlueChew. I'm sure you've heard of BlueChew by now, but let me tell you what they've been up to. They've been on a mission to get you bricked up for years and now the number one brand for better sex. Over 5 million happy men have bought BlueChew for better sex. And you know what? Girls love the results too.

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• 22:27Speaker 02

  No, we were actually talking about it. My buddy gave me a lift here today on his plane and he's a very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue and I was like, why do you think you get riled up about it? I was like, do you think that maybe that's just a cause for division? And that, you know, if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth, when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000-foot level, it's like, you're getting riled up about an idea, about a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth.

• 23:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  You're letting that affect you?

• 23:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, and it's not affecting your real life, but you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue, but is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying someone?

• 23:16Speaker 02

  I know, I was, I couldn't think about like, I was thinking about, I was like, you're this billionaire and you're upset about that and I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that instead of a millionaire things we could talk about or think about?

• 23:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  It was interesting.

• 23:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's... I mean, it's always been a tool. As much as we like to say, no, these are real issues that we face. We really have a real cultural issue that we have to. I get it. That's true. But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Divide and conquer, art of war. I mean, it's the.

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  From the beginning. Yeah, and it's important. And it's one of the beautiful things about our country is that we have two parties. So it's so easy to do. Cause it's just good guys and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  In between.

• 24:00Joe Rogan?

  Pretty reasonable guys that are pragmatic. We know how to kill folks. I like them. Like, let's go to the.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's go to that side.

• 24:06Joe Rogan?

  Guy. Let's go to the discipline side. But no, it's like you, you can only be on the right or on the left. And if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that, you know, have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues. And you get lumped in with white nationalists. You get wiped in, lumped in with Christian nationalists that think that the 10 commandments should be in every school. And no one should be able to practice any other religion as a Christian, Christian country. There's people that really believe pushing that. That you get lumped in with them too. When you're just like, hey, I think the second amendment's important. You know, like, oh, you must be a far right wing conspiracy theorist. Like, oh, come on. Like, you can't always count on the cops. You know, you, you should be able to protect yourself because bad people have guns. It's that simple.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't mean you're gonna use them all the time. Like, this is crazy. You could kill people with a variety of different methods. You know, you don't, you don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women are women. You have to, there's a whole bunch of, like, they're kind of moving away from that now. In a big way, they're moving away from the competitive thing. Like with trans women competing in school athletics. Cause it's like, after a certain amount of fucking championships, you know, you just gotta go, hey.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Come on, guys.

• 25:24Joe Rogan?

  That's a guy.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  That's a guy.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  Be kind, be sweet. Those people have always existed, but also you're letting them into the women's room. And now you could have perverts who just say they're trans and they can go in the women's room too. Like, you didn't think about this. The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the, the most hated and the, the most like looked out, like make sure that they don't come near you. Psychopathic perverts.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  Like psychopathic perverts that prey on men, guys that wanna go in women's bathrooms, guys that wanna like grab women after bars, those guys have always been terrifying.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:03Joe Rogan?

  And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket, just wear a dress. Like imagine you're a fucking old school pervert and you're 80 years old, you're like, fuck, I missed the boat.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of creepy shit, pretending you're a woman.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  I think we should just be able to hunt, hunt them.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Real perverts, yeah.

• 26:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, the thing is like-

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Kid, child molesters?

• 26:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes, 100%.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  No problem, just let's go hunt them.

• 26:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're broken, and I don't know how you could ever think you're gonna fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles, they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons. Which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. Like you have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore, you know, all kinds of cra- like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs. They're willing to ignore it because they don't wanna be seen, deemed as being racist. They don't wanna be deemed as being Islamophobic, like, okay.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, that, that breakdown of, uh, culture and because of, you know, some very extreme groups is pretty scary.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  It's scary.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  It's super scary.

• 27:15Joe Rogan?

  It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too, and if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist, you're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care. And we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans are to take over cities. There's plans to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about with Tim Dillon, what happened with Dearborn, Michigan. All these like liberal people like, yeah, we love Muslims, everyone's amazing. So they got a Muslim mayor and the first thing he did is like, no more pride flags, shit's illegal. Cause what he would like is Sharia law.

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims, like worldwide, how many of them would like Sharia law? And it's, it's, it's not a small amount, you know, that's their religion. That's what they, but the problem with that is like, you can't push that on other people. If you wanna have your mosque and you wanna pray five times a day, wonderful, you should be able to do that 100%. Everybody should appreciate the fact that there's all sorts of different ways of, uh- Worshiping God. Great, I don't know who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking over and putting in values that, first of all.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Decorating women.

• 28:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, grossly deteriorate women's rights, grossly.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  That's bad. That's when it falls apart.

• 28:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, and that's their culture. And you have to understand that that's they've accepted when they're wearing those traditional head garbs and body coverings, that's their culture. And they want women to dress like that. And, you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like, you should be able to do it if you want to. But the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have the same sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights that we have, where you can wear whatever you want to wear, practice whatever religion you want to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted, one way or the other.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:20Joe Rogan?

  But when you get a country like England, this just lets them in, mass migration. And then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting this society to deteriorate to the point where they can say, hey, we're gonna make new laws to protect you? Because you need to protect, so you have mass surveillance everywhere, more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts, like thousands.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  I've been hearing about that, yeah.

• 29:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's nuts, more than China, more than Russia, more than Russia and China combined.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. It seems, it seems as if, you know, the grab for power is, is just, you know, done in plain sight now.

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And I hate to say this, but they don't have the Second Amendment. It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is you're not armed. So like, when shit goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know? And what are you gonna do, all get together with shovels? What are you gonna do? Grandpa's got a bird gun, let's go get Grandpa's bird gun. Fuck are we doing?

• 30:26Speaker 02

  Get Grandpa's bird gun.

• 30:28Joe Rogan?

  That's no way to keep the police out of your town.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's uh, it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're gonna come out on the other end of this, but it's gonna be real hard with this right, right versus left bullshit.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  No, well, but you know, you know, not to like toot your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people and you've pulled in like almost, I was thinking about the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a chat GPT now and say, can you tell me about this thing that, you know, and then though, oh, would you want to hear a two hour podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of such and such? And that's pretty cool because then it expands people's mind. It's much easier than having to, you know, go and, and read about something. You're like, oh, that's an interesting point.

• 31:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great, but the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young. And I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  And not also like, um, you know, giving them something that excites them and giving them something that they, they can understand why it's important to be interested in something, like why it can benefit you, how it can stimulate you, try new things out, like, oh, this is exciting. I feel better. I feel good. Like people like tasks. They like that. We should be taught that from the time we're young. Instead, we're, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  You know, it's interesting is, so I turned 40 in March and I decided I was gonna take the year off. So essentially 39 to 40, right? Because I've been working head down for 20 years. Hadn't looked up, been living out of a suitcase, movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I thought it would make me, it would give me better perspective. It would maybe whatever, uh, you know, where's the, where am I going in the next 10 years? Kind of my thinking. Uh, and I actually got more depressed.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed. And it kinda just goes back to, just stay busy. Get up and do shit.

• 32:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love. And that is a gift. That's a real gift. And we're both very fortunate in that regard. And anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry, you're doing what you love. Whew, you're so lucky.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Create. Go out and create. Don't take.

• 33:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Be a creator in anything. Like, if you're a plumber, whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes.

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Have a purpose and create. Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators, you know? It's like, I was actually listening to a podcast, like, guy said that, and I was like, yep, that's it. If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think. Cause you're, you're giving society something it didn't have.

• 33:31Joe Rogan?

  It's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah. And that's good for you, for sure. And I think, unfortunately, I, look, I don't want the responsibility being the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  No, you're not the only, I'm not the only person.

• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  But you are, you are. But I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and gets you interested in things, should be in schools. Instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math down their throats, give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool shit. Show them cool shit where they realize, like, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting. You know? It just has to be something you're interested in. And then they'll realize, like, oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something, instead of just being a cog in the wheel, like most people feel. Most people feel like, fuck, the economy sucks, I just gotta get a job, and then, and then you just get home and you just wanna play video games or do something to stimulate yourself, because you hate jobs.

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  And then, next thing you know, you're 35, and you don't know what the fuck you're doing, and you're stuck, you know? And that's a lot of people, a lot of people listening to this right now. And it's cause they were never instructed how to think about things. They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  Go do the thing, get the job.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  Encourage that curiosity.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:53Joe Rogan?

  Whatever it is, man, being a fucking car mechanic, whatever, whatever thing you're interested in, there's gotta be a thing. You just gotta find that fucker.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  You can get good at anything.

• 35:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  And that will produce money. It's like, the, and also, part of the problem is culturally, I think we We place too much value in like becoming rich and oh, you gotta do this. And it's like, no, no, no, hold on. Don't miss the point. Get good at something in you that you love and then that will produce. If you get good enough in anything, you'll make money out of it.

• 35:25Joe Rogan?

  For sure, but the problem is like with kids. It's everything today, they want it fast, really fast. They want Ozempic, right? They don't want to go on a diet. They want get, you know, whatever it is. Fill in the blank with whatever thing that they want to get really fast with scams, crypto, anything where they're gonna get rich quick. You know, whatever they gotta do to get rich quick. Because it's like this, this TikTok mind culture where people just want that easy, quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work. When you think about a job or going down a career path like acting, for instance, like what you did. First of all, you did it, you would think, oh, great, Clint Eastwood's his dad, he'll help him.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  It made it worse.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  People are like, nah.

• 36:12Joe Rogan?

  You had to prove that you were a really good actor for like a long time before people go, oh, yeah, Scott's actually really good. Because it's always gonna be your Clint Eastwood's kid.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:22Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then he didn't fucking help you. But like your grind was, I know you, your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and putting in the work. Most people see that and they go, wait, how long is it gonna take?

• 36:36Speaker 02

  What?

• 36:37Joe Rogan?

  14 years? 20 years? What? Like when we talk to comics, that's a big, big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like most comedians say a comic isn't even really a comic till 10 years.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  10,000 hour rule, right?

• 36:49Joe Rogan?

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• 37:35Joe Rogan?

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• 38:19Joe Rogan?

  Don't have insurance or live outside of the United States? You can still get 10% off your first month. Visit betterhelp.com to explore your payment options. That's better H E L P dot com. For sure. But I think intention is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like if you're just mailing it in, in the gym, it's not the same as, "I'm gonna build this or get really good at that."

• 38:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 100%, especially skills-related things. Like jiu-jitsu is a perfect example of that. Jiu-jitsu, 100%, you get better the more you do it, but 1,000%, if you drill correctly and you have like mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques, like you really truly understand like leverage points, where you're supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, when there's an escape, when there's no escape. If you don't understand that, you're just rolling around and just like resisting hard with people. And you'll get somewhere, but you won't get nearly as far as you would get with focused, really systematic breaking down of techniques. So it's like the 10,000-hour thing is, it's, there's something to it. The more you do it, the better you'll get.

• 39:32Joe Rogan?

  But really, it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do. That is as if not more important than the time. Like it's about enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and your willingness to like look at it as objectively as possible. You know, especially if you're like with jujitsu is a thing, it's like your ego's involved. Cause you don't want to get tapped out and you don't want to get humiliated. And so you don't want to try things. So you keep a tight game and you never grow. And it's your ego actually holds you back by that. And that but telling people that it's going to take that long. If you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, oh God, it's too much work.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  Well, also, I think the thing you realize, you know, as your ego gets stripped from you doing jujitsu. Is that you realize like doesn't matter what level I'm at, there's always going to be a thousand more guys. Above that level that will still choke me out.

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  You realize how much, how like, you're like, no, I kind of am a pussy. You're like, I'm not, you know, I'm not as tough as I, you know, you know now, you really know.

• 40:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, I really know because I work for the UFC.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know.

• 40:45Joe Rogan?

  I'm always around like every weekend, dozens of guys who can kill me.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:48Joe Rogan?

  And then there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like, there's levels to levels, you know, when a guy like. Ilya Topuria knocks out Max Holloway, like whoa, and then Justin Gagey beats up Ilya Topuria like whoa. It's like there's so many guys out there, you have to be humble. And it's good for you. It's good for you to not be delusional.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:10Joe Rogan?

  But what my point was for young people. They have to get interested in the path. It can't be just the results and the path is really where you grow and you you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long ass time and try to keep getting better at it with every. Every day, every, every effort you put into it, do it, whatever the fuck you're doing, do it to try to get better at that thing. And eventually success will come. You're gonna have to manage that success, you're gonna chase it, you're gonna have to figure things out, but the most important thing should always be the path.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's in everything and anything you do. If you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be, I'm gonna sell a million copies. It's gotta be, I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's ever been read.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  But I think, I also think we need to push,

• 42:02Speaker 02

  because of this whole like quick money and thing, the morals and codes people have are not taught enough to young people, you know? Do the right thing. When you say you're gonna do something, be there. When you make a promise, do it, complete it. Don't just, you know, people just are so happy in this culture of, of, you know, oh, whatever, fuck them, we can just do whatever we want. It's like, that's fucking terrible behavior to put out to young people, you know?

• 42:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  You gotta have a code and a value system. That's what my dad, I mean, he was so, you know, you make a promise, that's all you have in this life, is your word. So it's like, you gotta do something. You gotta like-

• 42:48Joe Rogan?

  Your dad should have been president. Why didn't he run for president?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Cause he did, cause he did politics.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  He would have fucking won. I know he was mayor of Carmel.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then he said, never fucking again.

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's hell.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  People like-

• 42:59Joe Rogan?

  He would have been a fun president, though.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  He would have been, you know? I don't know if I would have liked it, though. Then it would have been like everyone-

• 43:08Joe Rogan?

  No, you would have hated it.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Everyone would have come after me for no reason.

• 43:10Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you would have been Don Jr.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Jesus. Way to put me in the box.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  Roped up into some crypto scheme. Everybody would hate you.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Making billions.

• 43:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, jeez Louise. Yeah. Yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either if I was him. But, you know, like when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people were like, finally, finally, a guy who like is good at acting.

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's kind of what the president is. It's a role.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  Part of it is a role. Like, you're playing a leader. And the way you behave, it's like you have to, it's very formal. The way you communicate is very formal.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  You know? And actors are gonna be better at that. You know? Like Josh Brolin, that guy could be the president. 100%. That dude could kill it as the president. He looks like a president. Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie? Yes, that's right. He played Bush. Yeah, he could be president. You know? I know they tried to get The Rock to run.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he was thinking about it.

• 44:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not much. He told me, like, fuck this.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kinda, he was toying with, he was like, yeah, I'm gonna do it.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  Look, he's, he's very smart with, uh, social media.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's a wizard at that stuff, but I think he's too smart to run for president.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? Like, get that giant ass pro wrestler. Get that guy. He should be our president. At least, we know that our president could fuck up all the other presidents. That would be nice.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Now, that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version. It's like, okay, great, you gotta be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of, like, fight. Or some sort of

• 44:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  physical, like, competition. Because you can't just be, you know, you gotta be athletic, you gotta be

• 44:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  You know, that would be cool. It's like, we're already a giant show anyways.

• 45:01Joe Rogan?

  We should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms. Anybody who wants to be president.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  That'd be good.

• 45:06Joe Rogan?

  You do seven grams of mushrooms, we film it, we, we do it in a dark room with infrared cameras, or, you know, night vision cameras.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Freak out?

• 45:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, we wanna know how well you handle God.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways, right?

• 45:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, also, I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that, like, there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it, and then you have it, and they'll never think any differently again. You're always gonna be like, okay, there's a part of this that's not real.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I did, I, trust me, I did the, uh, I did 5MEO. And it was, I mean, that was some life-changing stuff.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, oh my God, I killed myself.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm not around anymore.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and, and I think what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it's it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Like, first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  I mean, I I cried, I bawled for forty five minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it.

• 46:16Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  And I was like, I'm just so.

• 46:18Joe Rogan?

  That would've gotten uncomfortable after about five seconds of buddy case, Scott.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Like, okay.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  Go cry on the couch.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  That's enough.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro?

• 46:29Speaker 02

  You handsome bastard. Get off of her.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  But it was powerful.

• 46:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, your your ego is completely shattered after that stuff. You probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to hug a human.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  And it's the the feeling of it is so like you're a part of everything in the universe. And there is no, there's no like particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. And no one ever has ever done it and go, I didn't think it was that big a deal. Like, everybody who does is like, wow.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, I've known, I know a few prominent right wing people that have done it. They would completely change their life.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:15Joe Rogan?

  A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  But then they want to talk to me about it. And they're like, yeah, so I'm I'm a different person now. Whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore. Like, that's, that's, because once you know, once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe, and it's like all the molecules, everything everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration and.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  It kind of made, kind of actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so, dealing with so much pain or dealing with

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  such a rigid thinking or, or whatever it is, that it could help them. And I was like, oh, man, that, that is sad.

• 48:04Joe Rogan?

  The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know, I, I see like grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And when I was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool. You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were trying to just enrich your experience in life and, and have a better perspective and ego death and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed. It comes up all the time.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  So the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think it's because of the internet. I think it's really, it really started to change where I heard, I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. And it was even before social media, because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences and people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular, but then all the Terrence McKenna stuff that he was talking about, DMT and LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all this stuff started getting out there and then YouTube.

• 49:33Joe Rogan?

  And with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like, what is he talking about? He's writing, wrote a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind? Like, what? And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it and they often do. And so that's just alone gives me hope, because I feel like that's a, that's a big change in how people view something.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Well, was it, and I don't, I don't exactly know the history, but I've, I've heard.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress, you know, weed use? This, I mean.

• 50:17Joe Rogan?

  The alcohol lobby has.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Did it also go to psychedelics as well?

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  They haven't yet, no. Um, well, I'm, I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized. But the, the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have, uh, legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  The diminished alcohol intake is measurable. It's like they cost them money.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Explain.

• 50:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they lobby, uh, prison guards unions, they lobby. There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws, keep them on the books. So they could keep locking people up.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  Sure, cause that's a massive business, right?

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, their business is pe- keeping people in cages, which is really fucking crazy.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's pretty.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  It's really crazy that someone is, who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. And get locked up for something that no.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Nonviolent crime.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and especially marijuana, like, most Americans don't think that you, uh, that it should be illegal. It's a, it's a large number. It's like more than 70%, I think. Like, what was the, what's, what amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal? Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into perplexity. See what the, the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  Legalized?

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  What do you think about, what do you think about all drugs being legal?

• 51:46Joe Rogan?

  It's a tough argument because for sure you're gonna lose some people. If you make all drugs legal, look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not gonna go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl, alright? I'm not, I'm not into meth, I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not gonna pick it up, but some people will. 70%. 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to RISB Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89%. Uh, US adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form, with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal. And those people need to try it.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  So, look, I'm actually, Pot never agreed well with me, and I think I have, I always, I got a little scared and paranoid sometimes where I was like, maybe I have like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenia or something. I was like, ooh, I don't, this isn't, I was like, I don't like this. This made me kinda go psychos schematic and

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  So, did it just make you scared, or did it like distort reality for you in a way that was?

• 52:51Speaker 02

  No, I don't, I don't know if it distorted reality, it just got my brain, you know, it got my brain so freaked out about things that were out of my control. That's the part I like. Now, I can see why because like, you know, mushrooms, they make you face some things that you're going on in your life.

• 53:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  And I think that's healthy. I don't know, Pot just never agreed with me.

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

  I think what I like about it is when it wears off. I like, I like that fear. I like, like Joey Diaz says, uh, go meet the devil. Uh, I think there's some, some benefit to freaking out, cause then it calms down and you have more perspective. But I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things that can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis. You gotta kinda put your blinders on and keep on trucking.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 53:45Joe Rogan?

  And then marijuana's like, what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of? And you're like, ahh!

• 53:53Speaker 02

  But I will say, as you know, important, like before the, the frontal cortex is like fully developed because there is some danger for young men specifically.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Right?

• 54:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  And schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not, I think that's with anything, right?

• 54:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know if it causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And, um, I know that's hard for people to hear because they wanna get high, just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's gonna fuck your head up.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:29Joe Rogan?

  It's not good for your, it's just not good for your brain development. It's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think well. It's very important.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. It's your operating system. Don't, don't screw it up before it has a time to like.

• 54:43Joe Rogan?

  And just for he-he's and ha-has because you're bored in math class, you wanna get high all the time? You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it and they're okay, but a lot of people have not. And you you don't want to sabotage your whole life just because everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are like fourteen, fifteen years old that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like, don't do it, man. I'm telling you, it is fucking bad for the development of your brain. Whatever you're put, look, maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain, maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going to be fine. But I guarantee you where if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart. You would have been smarter, your brain would have functioned better.

• 55:28Joe Rogan?

  You'd have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, we glamorize it for kids, like the kids at parties drinking, having a good time. It's fucking bad for you. Don't do it.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:41Joe Rogan?

  But you can't, you also can't tell them, don't drink. Because if you tell them, don't drink, they just want to drink.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  Drink more.

• 55:47Joe Rogan?

  You just gotta kind of inform them.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  Well, you're, Europe tends to have like a better, it seems as a whole, I'm sure they have their problems too, but.

• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  Much better.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, they ease into it, right? Have a little, like, less is more.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Like, with anything, actually, less is more.

• 56:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not forbidden. So you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're eleven, twelve years old, you know, it's not, it's not that big a deal.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  That Protestant culture we have is, is very rigid. It's really like, don't do this, or you're gonna die.

• 56:18Joe Rogan?

  It creates drug addicts and hoes. People just want to not listen to their parents. They just want to do something that's fucking, like, whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite. Because you are fucking annoying and you've been the bane of my existence. As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Fuck you, dad. You don't know what you're talking about.

• 56:37Joe Rogan?

  So to get back to your question, um, the problem with legalization is you're gonna have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally. Because it's legal, they're gonna try it.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  When you're of age, like, I don't know, call it twenty-five.

• 56:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but even then, you're gonna have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However.

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  What you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organize crime. And that's what we're doing now. So in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So how are they going to get drugs during prohibition? Well, they're going to get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done. That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition. It's what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry, right next door to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through. Like, what are we doing? Are we empowering them? Or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits? Block out everything that comes in illegally. Have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment?

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was also thinking from a like a quality perspective too, right? Like, you're like, hey, that's cool. We get it. People are going to do this, but we're going to monitor and make sure it is what it says it is.

• 57:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Look, alcohol's legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act. They say stupid things. They feel like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That will be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics. And alcohol is legal and it's everywhere. And these people will hit bars and get fucked up every night. And their life is going to be a mess. They're going to die of liver poisoning.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:17Joe Rogan?

  That's normal, too. It's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, you gotta like trust a little bit that...

• 58:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America that cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It would be really hard to sell to them.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:34Joe Rogan?

  But I think ultimately it'd probably be better for us.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, all those other things that...

• 58:40Joe Rogan?

  Those are less troublesome. You know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA, but people definitely abuse it. They definitely get addicted to it. They're doing it all the time. Apparently, that whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit.

• 58:52Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  That was a campaign?

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think it was probably just some internet horseshit. Let's find out what it does. MDMA, does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. See what perplexity has to say.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Well, they started using it as couples therapy, right? I mean, that was the impetus of the whole thing.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

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• 59:55Joe Rogan?

  Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. Try it for free at ziprecruiter.com/rogan. That's ziprecruiter.com/rogan. Meet your match at ZipRecruiter. Well, I know they do use it for couples therapy, but it's also really good for soldiers with PTSD. And that's what MAPS has done with their studies. That's the big focus of their studies is PTSD with MDMA. There's something about MDMA's, the empathy that it gives you, the compassion it gives you, lets you drop a lot of things that are in your head. No, MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain that would show up as empty gaps on a scan.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  But a high or repeated doses can damage serotonin neurons and alter brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So the holes, where the holes idea come from? Anti-drug companies popularized dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Still, that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers? That sounds terrible.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  I chalk up all this, it's like moderation to everything.

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Less of everything, it's like, I disagree with some people that I really trust, you know, you know, what's his name, Dr. Paul Saladino?

• 1:01:24Joe Rogan?

  The carnivore doctor?

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I really like most of what he says, but he's like, "Don't drink," and it's like, it's like, well, maybe, but also, it's maybe pretty nice to have a glass of wine, it's nice to laugh with friends.

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  And it's nice, like, that's important too in life, and I think balance, we can, you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme, and then you're just like, the social life, and you're, you know, can't, you know, go out and like, you know, really enjoy yourself for a second.

• 1:01:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, moderation.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Moderation.

• 1:01:54Joe Rogan?

  And you're absolutely right about social life being, loneliness kills people quicker than anything else.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people that are lonely, they have, they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:02:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's bad for you.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  It's, being lonely is actually bad for you, feeling bad is bad for you, I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad, feels bad, probably bad for you, feeling good is good for you, so a little tipsy with your friends, you're laughing, "Ah, I love you, I love you too, bro," it's great.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 1:02:23Joe Rogan?

  It's great for people, yeah, you're gonna feel like shit, takes your electrolytes, takes your, take your electrolytes, drink a lot of water, get in the fucking sauna, yeah, don't do it every day.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Don't do it every day.

• 1:02:34Joe Rogan?

  Get an IV.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:36Joe Rogan?

  Dave Chappelle taught me that trick, when I was touring with Dave, all he would do is like, after shows, they would just get IVs, he would get a vitamin IVs in the morning, they would did it all the time, to big bags of glutathione to deal with the alcohol.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Yep, yep.

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  You'd go into like, Dave would have a room, you'd go into the room, there'd be like, eight of us there, all hooked up to IV bags, talking shit, it was fun.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  That sounds good.

• 1:03:01Joe Rogan?

  But it's smart, like, that's how you counteract the fact that, look, he takes a lot, there's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job, right, like, Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society, what better way to do that than to be talking shit with your friends with a couple of drinks in you?

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Imagine all the things you would have missed.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  That wouldn't have been in your comedy, that wouldn't have been in your life, hadn't you, you've just, "I gotta go home now." It's eight o'clock, "I gotta go home," you're like, "Well, that's boring."

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  You become a boring person, too.

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize like, oh, I've done this dance before. I gotta get up at six.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Joe Rogan?

  See you guys.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  There's good to that, too. It's like you have, you have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like you're saying about vitamins, like I'm get off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know?

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Like that. It's like there's some things that should be non-negotiable. And for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  All the other things I'll fuck around with in terms of like-

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  They're all bonus, right?

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Bonus rounds. You have to get cardio, you have to hit weights, you gotta stretch, you gotta get good sleep.

• 1:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain. The like above the body stuff, it's great to keep the body healthy and I'm very aware of that. And I'm, I, I think about that as well. But for me, it's my brain. When I have a nice, good, hard workout day, I'm so easygoing. I'm so free.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Do you have ADHD?

• 1:04:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Okay, same.

• 1:04:29Joe Rogan?

  I think everybody does. Anybody who's any good at anything has it.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has ADHD.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  I think it's, I think it's a superpower.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  No, I do too. I always tell people, and, and you're probably dyslexic.

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I can read well, yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Okay, cuz that goes hand in hand quite often, yeah. And, and-

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Are you dyslexic?

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  I'm dyslexic.

• 1:04:49Joe Rogan?

  And now, so explain to me what you see when you like see text.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  I jump.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right.

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  My brain starts and then jumps and then it goes-

• 1:05:01Joe Rogan?

  Is it regardless of the subject matter? Like if you're think, if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing?

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. And now, it just takes intense focus for me to read. And once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better.

• 1:05:18Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  But when I'm not focused or there's other things going on, I jump and then my brain has a really tough time. So I get tired very easily. And then it's like, oh, and I get, you know, I get a little frustrated, tired, and then I fall asleep.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Like that.

• 1:05:35Joe Rogan?

  I do fall asleep if I try to read at night, but I don't have a hard time reading. So I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've, I've had friends that have it and I don't understand. I'm like, so you see it, right? And you're going through it. But what is going on in your brain where it's making you jump back and forth?

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I don't, I don't know.

• 1:05:53Joe Rogan?

  And regardless of the, like, it could be the most important thing you've ever read. You know, like, what if you just, like, won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail, it says Scott.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  I'm reading that incorrectly.

• 1:06:03Joe Rogan?

  You just won five billion dollars. And you're like, wait a minute, do I owe five billion? What is that saying? I can't read this, read this for me.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, I don't, yeah, it's just, I don't know if it's about, it's about the...

• 1:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Text messages are cool?

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, all, it's all, it just, it's harder. And now, you know, like, when I grew up, they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now, it's almost mandatory in schools.

• 1:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test-taking, they give you more time for reading, they have, you know,

• 1:06:34Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Uh, teachers that will help with the dyslexia, there's tools you can, you can use now.

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  So I got kind of boned.

• 1:06:42Speaker 07

  I'm gonna check something here, this is something weird, could be related. Uh, I've been seeing this a lot online, and I'm very curious about this. Uh, people are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, and histamine levels in your body. And I brought this up on the screen, it's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There is some studies to it. And what I've been seeing is this link, people are taking Zyrtec and Pepsidac together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking?

• 1:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:18Speaker 07

  Interesting. And this is where I'm like, I don't...

• 1:07:20Joe Rogan?

  It blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway, and skin, and reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So they're saying that it's, it's a reaction to histamines?

• 1:07:30Speaker 07

  That's, like, that's the mixture of Zyrtec, because Zyrtec's more like allergies, everyone's into that. Pepsidac is like acid and, you know, acid reflux.

• 1:07:37Joe Rogan?

  There's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD. Like, I could see people being easily distracted, but when I say ADHD, the people that I know that have it, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really fucking focus on. You know, whether it's playing golf, or whatever it is a thing that you do, where you could just focus on that.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  But other stuff, you're just scatterbrained, and you can't, and they'll say, oh, you have ADHD.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:08:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, or, you know, you're thinking a million things at once, you can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD, but everyone I know that has that, it's always whether or not they're interested in the thing.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:08:14Joe Rogan?

  As soon as they find the thing they're interested in, they can lock in for fucking twelve hours and forget to eat.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  Well, you know how some, when some people, when pressure, uh, sorry to cut you off. Uh, when like you squeeze people, they either excel or they fold.

• 1:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  When you squeeze, typically I excel. So I don't know it, where that comes from, but when you put the pressure on, I mean, that's why maybe, you know, I can do the job I do. It's like, there's two hundred people looking at you and you're like.

• 1:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Ready, action.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Emotional scene, you gotta. Yeah. Yourself to tears or it's emotional and it's like, you squeeze. Some people are good at it.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan. You know, that's also part of it. It's like, you, you know, your dad wasn't gonna help you out. You really were out there, like, if you wanna make it in anything, you have to be able to perform. Like, no matter what it is, if you're a lawyer, when you're in court, you have to perform. You have to, you have to be able to like, keep your shit together and execute. That's, your job relies on that. And if you're a focused person, you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus. And that you can execute when, when it's important. It's like, people that avoid, uh, things that make them uncomfortable, they never develop that skill. And that's very unfortunate, because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything, is being able to focus.

• 1:09:33Joe Rogan?

  And being able to perform under pressure. It's very important.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Joe Rogan?

  And we're missing that in life, you know, we don't have these life or death moments like that our ancestors had all the time. Where some fucking villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and you run back to the fucking camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you. You go to war. Like, we don't have that. So we don't have like, like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, to bring it to this movie that I've got coming out tomorrow. It's a World War Two movie. Lucky Strike, I'll say the name, plug it.

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  That generation of men. Had that.

• 1:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Because they, I mean.

• 1:10:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  World War II, I talked to my dad about it, uh, what it was like, he was only like 12 years old when World War II was going on. But he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening, like you could hear pins and needles. Because it was, we didn't know what was gonna happen. I mean, people were scared for their life. Even back home in America, they didn't know what was gonna happen. And that, I think, is why that generation of men and women are just from a different breed.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  You know, and, you know, you, you've said it before on your podcast, it's like the, the hard, hard men, you know, create easier times, easier times create. It, and it's like the cycle that we're in, it's.

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  It's, um, yeah, I don't know, it's, uh, I don't know, I think we need a little bit of that. We need a little hard, harder men.

• 1:11:04Joe Rogan?

  100%. Well, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like, uh.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Toxic masculinity is a guy who beats people up and robs people and rapes.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:15Joe Rogan?

  That's toxic ma- that's criminal behavior.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay, masculine behavior is not, it's protective. Masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done, provides for his family, takes care of people, you can call him at 2 o'clock in the morning 'cause you need a favor, you're stuck on the side of the road, like.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  All that shit is important.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Strong people are good. It's, it's good to have strong people. Like, and this idea that somehow or another strength is bad for society is like really crazy.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  Nah, that's bullshit.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like, no, it's, the strength needs to be channeled correctly. And that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise, and I would say for men, you should at least try martial arts.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  100%.

• 1:11:52Joe Rogan?

  It's so good for your brain. It's so good for your confidence, it's so good for your.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Humility.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Your humility, and you're also your understanding of like your vulnerability. So many people are fucking delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight, start fights, and you're like, do you wanna die? Are you trying to die? Cause you're gonna, you're gonna run into some fucking guy who knows how to fight, and he's gonna hit you in the face, and you're gonna bounce your head off the fucking concrete, you're gonna die.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  So stop. Stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being around violence all the time.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Tested.

• 1:12:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  Not. Sharpened.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Having experience, knowing what it actually is. And it's dangerous and you should, you should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear. It's good to be nervous. It's like, you gotta grow. And we are, we're in a society where people just want relaxation. They want comfort. They want entertainment and they just wanna be sedentary. And that is fucking terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis. We're a giant percentage of people who act that way, who are sedentary and overweight and not taking care of themselves, are mentally ill.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  You said something that was interesting, the, the being scared, being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is.

• 1:13:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  For me, when I, you know, it was, it's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing.

• 1:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  And, you know, being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side. You've never been calmer. You've never been more zen with nature and clear in your mind about, and, and happy. Because you've accomplished something, you've pushed your boundaries. You've kept pushing them and pushing them and pushing them.

• 1:13:36Joe Rogan?

  How old were you when you started surfing?

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  I was young, uh, eight, 10.

• 1:13:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you know, where it was like, and, and, you know, at first it's, you know, these waves scare you. And then it's, you know, the, you know, bigger than the room scare you and, and you go through these. And it kinda can be, you feel like life and death experience if you, you know, if you push, if you're pushing yourself.

• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever had a shark situation?

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's, um, that's been like, oh, my God.

• 1:14:08Joe Rogan?

  Bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, oh, my God. I'm on a Styrofoam fucking.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Popsicle stick. There's a difference between, between, you know, seeing a shark. Further away, or seeing a shark on a boat, uh, or seeing a shark you know isn't gonna hurt you.

• 1:14:26Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark, bro? We're cool, right?

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  No, but look, you spent, you spent as much time in the water. You spent as much time in the water as, as, you know, surfer have done their whole life. You, you, you kind of understand what, what sharks are gonna hurt you.

• 1:14:42Joe Rogan?

  What's going on here, Jamie?

• 1:14:43Speaker 07

  Gray white stock and paddleboarders last week.

• 1:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, great. Oh, good lord. Do they even know it's happening?

• 1:14:50Speaker 07

  Does not appear that way.

• 1:14:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, how they not see that fin?

• 1:14:54Speaker 07

  Not looking behind them.

• 1:14:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, they didn't even see it. That's great. Are you sure this is an AI? Oh, it's ABC News?

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Wow. But I don't, I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more cameras. You know, there's just more people with drones.

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• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  And cameras seeing them.

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places where people are, for sure. I think particularly in Northern California.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Australia too.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, Australia has a lot of them, man. They seem to be angry over there, too. Their sharks are angry. Everything's angry over there. Fucking, their crocodiles are angry. They fuck people up. I was reading about this guy who was the first guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830 something. And the story is, I don't know if this is true, Jamie, pull this up, see if it's true. The guy's name supposedly, rest in peace, Tommy, Tommy Woodward. He was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas, when he decided to swim in Adam's Bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen in the water.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  His friend pointed out near the dock, and his response was, "Fuck that gator." That was the last thing he said. And then they killed, the gator killed him. He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas since 1836.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't swim in the bayou. If there's a body-

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  But that is one of the most Texas fucking things that anybody's ever said.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  Fuck that guy.

• 1:18:48Joe Rogan?

  Fuck that gator, right before he died. He's probably drunk as fuck.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  Not respecting nature.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Drunk as fuck. He jumped in a wa- fuck that gator is a wild thing to say before the gator eats you. And that's, you know, humility. You gotta have a little humility, Tommy.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  Tommy, don't say fuck that gator. Here it is. Man mocks alligator, jumps in water and is killed.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Oh, this is recent.

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  No, no, it's 2015. So what is the story? What does it say?

• 1:19:19Joe Rogan?

  Does it say he said fuck that gator in this article?

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Fuck that gator.

• 1:19:24Joe Rogan?

  So there's a sign that's posted. It says, no swimming alligators and, uh...

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  And he went in.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it said it. He removed his shirt, removed his billfold, someone shouted a warning and he said, blank that gator, blank the alligators. Fuck. He said fuck. Oh, alligators say blank. Why didn't they just write F, dash, dash, dash? Jumped in the water and almost immediately yelled for help.

• 1:19:46Speaker 07

  That could have been what the guy actually quoted, even though he, you know, he wasn't quoting him. Maybe he doesn't feel like saying the F-word to them.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right. Yeah.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  Immediately yelling for help is crazy.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  No bueno.

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I was in Florida a couple of years back. Uh, we went alligator hunting and, uh, they're everywhere. Like, it's kinda disconcerting. We were in the Everglades, like, in the, there's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators. It is, uh, they're everywhere. It's, it's not hard to find them. They're fucking all over the place. Like, it's, how many of them are there that you don't see is the real question. It's a weird feeling, cause I thought like it would be like hunting elk. Like, you gotta go find them. Like, we'd be glassing for them. Where's the elk? Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything? Somebody make a call? Do you hear that out there? No, no, no. No, no, no. There's this one. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one. Or here's a dead one. Here's one, another alligator killed. They're fucking, look at this.

• 1:20:47Speaker 07

  No thanks. Dinosaurs, man.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Where's this? This is the guy's tent?

• 1:20:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, guy, bro, run.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, get that video off. What is wrong with you?

• 1:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've seen this. Isn't this in like Brazil?

• 1:20:57Speaker 07

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:20:57Joe Rogan?

  This is in Brazil. I think this guy...

• 1:20:59Speaker 07

  Look at all the eyes.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fuck all that. Look at all the eyes. Oh, I didn't even see that.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was what I was trying to get.

• 1:21:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  That's terrifying.

• 1:21:10Joe Rogan?

  So they must all come out of the water at night and this dude put his tent there.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  Plus the five on the shore.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god, dude. That is insane. That's insane. And you know they're all hungry. There's that many of them. How many deer can they eat? You know? They're not small at all, dude. They all could eat you. Fuck all that. But the weird feeling about Florida being there was the just the sheer numbers of them. And then knowing how many pythons there are. And I didn't see any pythons. But I go, how many do you guys see pythons? They go, bro. Like occasionally you'll be just driving, you'll see something making its way across the road and it's fifteen feet long.

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  No, no gracias.

• 1:21:50Joe Rogan?

  Thick like a fucking football player's thigh.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't mess with that. See, I don't, I'm, I would way rather be in the water with sharks. Cause at least you can, you can, you know, you can open your, you can see.

• 1:22:01Joe Rogan?

  But you can climb a tree if you're out in the woods.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, but in the bayou, I don't know, man. It's a swamp. It's.

• 1:22:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't go in the water, water there.

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:11Joe Rogan?

  But outside of the water, I would way rather be on ground.

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  If you're like, if you have, you know, distance.

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  You have a gun, you have a lot of things. When you're in the water with a shark, you're fucked, man. You can barely move.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  Well, you can actually, if you, if you, they're really deterrent by, if you touch their nose. So if they're coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose, they're usually gonna turn.

• 1:22:32Joe Rogan?

  For real?

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:33Joe Rogan?

  Have you done this?

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm done. I don't, I'm not trying to. So when they come after you, don't flip your legs and scream and flail?

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  No, keep them in front of you. Keep them in front of you.

• 1:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Bop them. Bop them on the nose.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Bop them.

• 1:22:44Joe Rogan?

  I've heard that before. I've heard punch them. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, here it says, bop the nose. How punching a shark in the face saved this Hawaiian surfer.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  I mean, it's not good either way. You don't want to be in the water with an angry shark.

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, in Florida, um, they don't have as many shark problems, but they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this video. There's these guys that go fishing. I guess it's the Keys. And they go off of this giant bridge. And it's like real far to the water. So they have to have this like. ...half system where they drop a line down and they gaff the fish and then have to pull it up. They're catching these tunas and they never get them to the, to the, to the bridge. They're just getting destroyed by sharks. There's sharks all over the place down there.

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, bull sharks are real dangerous because they, uh, they'll keep attacking. Whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know, misconfusion, right? They're, they sort of think you're a seal or something and they don't know and then they bite and they're like, ah, okay. Bull sharks, they'll just keep coming. They're like little chihuahuas.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Like pit bulls.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, fuck those things. They catch them a lot now. What is going on with this guy?

• 1:23:50Speaker 07

  Bull sharks eating a tuna?

• 1:23:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:23:53Speaker 07

  I thought this was the video, but there's actually no views on that, so maybe not.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  Uh, well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that I've seen, is this in the Keys as well?

• 1:24:01Speaker 07

  It said big sharks circling. I thought it was gonna be a little more exciting than this.

• 1:24:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, man, imagine you're pulling a fish in and you see a shark. You're like, you just take it. Take the fish. Jesus Christ. But a lot of guys, they pulled them in, they're cut in half, you know?

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  So you can, they bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population because apparently it's a very high population. You know, bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made? Do you know the, the original story behind Jaws?

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  No, I didn't know that.

• 1:24:29Joe Rogan?

  The inspiration was actually, uh, bull shark attacks in freshwater on a river in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the weird sharks that can live in freshwater.

• 1:24:40Speaker 02

  And so, right?

• 1:24:42Joe Rogan?

  Is this the, the thing?

• 1:24:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, nineteen sixteen.

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so this is the, uh, they caught that bull shark and, uh, they killed, I think, two people, right?

• 1:24:53Joe Rogan?

  A series of shark attacks, four people were killed and one critically injured. Incidents occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio epidemic in the United States. It drove thousands of people to seaside resorts in the Jersey Shore. So, uh, they think it's a bull shark. It says there's been a debate, but it's in freshwater.

• 1:25:11Speaker 07

  They just did a fortieth anniversary Jaws screening in that bay and people sat in the water to watch the movie.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Also, natural selection.

• 1:25:23Joe Rogan?

  But they've, they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, up the river system.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they make their way up the river.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  That's scary.

• 1:25:32Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark, and they've found them in fresh water. I think that dude, uh, that used to have that show River Monsters, you remember that guy?

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I remember the show.

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the guy who just caught fish all the time, like the craziest.

• 1:25:46Speaker 02

  A redneck?

• 1:25:46Joe Rogan?

  No, he wasn't a redneck. He was actually like a educated guy with a foreign accent. Where was he from?

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  River Monsters.

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  I mean, I remember the show. I just don't, I don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing it.

• 1:25:58Joe Rogan?

  What's it?

• 1:25:59Speaker 07

  Manny from like the, uh...

• 1:26:01Joe Rogan?

  The River Monsters guy, the guy with the gray hair. He was a fisherman.

• 1:26:06Speaker 07

  Jeremy Wade's his name.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  That's his name. Yeah. Where's he from? He's not from America, right?

• 1:26:11Speaker 07

  British biologist.

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, British biologist. And I think he did an episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch them in fresh water. They realized like, these things, they go way up the rivers.

• 1:26:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:23Joe Rogan?

  Way, and they can live in fresh water, unlike all the regular sharks.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:27Joe Rogan?

  I think.

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  Maybe some of them can. But I think most of them have to be in saltwater, like great whites, stuff like that.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  But they do, I mean, they've tagged great whites and they're, they'll go around the world. I mean, you think, they would've, they thought, you know, historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns, but they're, they've found them all over.

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. My daughter got really into megalodons at one point in time, so we really started like researching megalodons.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  She got a megalodon too. Hunting?

• 1:26:54Joe Rogan?

  No, not really.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  You know what I mean, for the...

• 1:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, we just got one online, but you, uh, you'd start watching documentaries on megalodons and, you know, and then there's the people that think the megalodons might still be out there. And you're like, okay, probably not, but either way, like the fact that that thing actually exists.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Pretty wild.

• 1:27:11Joe Rogan?

  Shark the size of a whale, he's out there fucking everything up.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, you, you wouldn't be surfing if there was megalodons, would you?

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  I probably still would. I mean, I, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I mean...

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  It's not a bad way to die, I guess.

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  Swallow your whole son. You'll suffocate and get digested.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  You're out there doing something you love.

• 1:27:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  You know, it's a good story.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  I guess, for other people.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  I mean, it'd be pretty quick, you know, what's worse? What's worse? You've lived this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last five to seven years of your life and you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this, that. Or just bam, get hit by a shark? I don't know, I think kinda.

• 1:27:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I could see it, I guess, but still. The instinct to stay alive is so strong.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  When I'm a hundred years old and in my bed, I'm like, baby, they're gonna have a new drug that's gonna bring me back to life.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  They probably will be able to do that too, which is gonna get real weird. If they really can take old people, like I was watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells, at least in a lab, they've been able to take human skin cells and take like sixty year old skin cells and make them twenty again.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna be really weird.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Well, I just don't, here, here's the thing, like, I'm all about living the best version of your life, being as healthy as you can. Maybe not for, like, that whatever you get, like, being optimal. But isn't kinda the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite? And that it's, like, people are just like, I'm gonna live forever, it's like, I don't know if I wanna live forever.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, there's something to that, man.

• 1:28:55Speaker 07

  Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it, I mentioned him earlier.

• 1:29:01Joe Rogan?

  What happens?

• 1:29:01Speaker 07

  This guy gets eaten by a whale.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 1:29:04Speaker 07

  It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And it's about him surviving.

• 1:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Is it real?

• 1:29:09Speaker 07

  I don't believe so.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Crawling through that thing's mouth?

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  The guy's just stuck in the whale's mouth?

• 1:29:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:29:17Speaker 07

  And then the rest of the movie's about.

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Getting out?

• 1:29:19Speaker 07

  Getting out, I guess.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body?

• 1:29:22Speaker 07

  Roughly eighty-five to ninety-five minutes, I bet.

• 1:29:25Joe Rogan?

  He's eighty-five to ninety-five minutes inside with his scuba tank, inside the whale's body, this is bananas, dude. Oh my god, and it just keeps swallowing him?

• 1:29:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, that's what the movie's about.

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god damn it.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Is that real? Is that a new movie?

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  This is the real movie?

• 1:29:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the movie comes out in October.

• 1:29:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:29:41Speaker 07

  I saw the trailer recently, and I was just gonna maybe think of it, talking about getting...

• 1:29:43Joe Rogan?

  It might be awesome, or the dumbest movie that's ever been made. I can't decide.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that.

• 1:29:49Joe Rogan?

  What do you do if you have a knife? Do you try to carve your way out?

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Of the whale?

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  Well, what do you do?

• 1:29:53Speaker 07

  You have to have a knife, yeah, you would...

• 1:29:54Joe Rogan?

  But how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? Forever. You're gonna run out of air. If you have the scuba tank and you have a knife, do you really think you can get through a whale?

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  I think... Oh, I know, that blubber's thick.

• 1:30:06Speaker 07

  Oh, it takes to get a fish.

• 1:30:07Joe Rogan?

  But it's not a fish, it's a fucking bus. It's huge.

• 1:30:12Speaker 07

  You're very motivated.

• 1:30:13Joe Rogan?

  That's true. That's true. But you gotta get through rib cages.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  I don't know if that's, um, a thick enough plot to have a whole movie.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  If they came to you with the script, Scott! This is the big one.

• 1:30:25Joe Rogan?

  We're greenlighting it.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  This is it. This is our jaws.

• 1:30:29Speaker 07

  Oh, god, the business sometimes just...

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so bad.

• 1:30:32Joe Rogan?

  How long would it take you to carve your way out of a whale?

• 1:30:36Speaker 07

  Eighty-foot sperm whale, and he's got less than an hour of oxygen.

• 1:30:39Speaker 02

  Oh, that's no time.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that's enough time.

• 1:30:43Speaker 07

  You don't gotta crawl through eighty feet, but...

• 1:30:46Joe Rogan?

  I think if you kept cutting it up, it might throw up. If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue, just kept slashing it, all that, he might just throw you up.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Throw you up, spit you out.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he might recognize there's something wrong. Like you would. Like, if something was... If you put something in your mouth that started biting your tongue, you'd be like, "Ah, ah." You'd try to get rid of it. I would imagine the whale would do that too. I'd just start fucking up his tongue.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Also, to keep you from getting digested, just stab him and just pull yourself forward.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  I'm glad you have an exit plan. You've got a plan.

• 1:31:17Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna cut your way out. I just think there's too much bone. I don't think you're gonna make it through that bone. Unless you go through... I don't even know where you would go, like the neck. I could figure out how to get through on an elk, I'll go that way. I would go where the holes are. There's holes back here, where the, you know, the guts are, and there's holes up here. You know, like where you'd shoot them if you're shooting a frontal.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  They're not gonna cast you in this movie. They're like, no, he's getting out too quick.

• 1:31:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't think I'm getting out quick. I think I'm dying of no air. I don't think I'm gonna make it.

• 1:31:48Speaker 07

  Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm whale here. You're gonna be.

• 1:31:51Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:31:51Speaker 07

  You're gonna be somewhere down here.

• 1:31:52Joe Rogan?

  See, I wanna get out through the neck. See, right there, that's where I wanna get out. But all that stuff.

• 1:31:57Speaker 07

  It's gonna go to the bottom.

• 1:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you're not, it's gonna take too long for you to get through all those.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  No, you go right to the sphincter and just like, you know, open it a little bit more.

• 1:32:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too much traveling. Okay, you're gonna wanna, you're gonna wanna go through where you came in.

• 1:32:14Speaker 07

  You don't wanna go through the intestines up right there.

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  No, and also you're dealing with acids, they're gonna burn, and I think you wanna cut through the front. So I think as he's swallowing you, you gotta dig in, and you gotta make your way through the bottom of his jaw. You gotta start cutting, and maybe you'll get out.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Who greenlit this movie? We need to find out.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some crazy person. Maybe it's really good. Josh Brolin's in it, it's probably kills.

• 1:32:40Speaker 07

  It actually came from a pretty popular, well, like New York Times bestselling novel.

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:32:45Speaker 07

  Sounds like a pretty good story. They made a movie out of it.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  There was a whale they spotted fairly recently that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s.

• 1:32:55Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  That's alive?

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was alive, yeah, and it had this harpoon embedded in it. See if you can find that story.

• 1:33:04Speaker 02

  That's a wild.

• 1:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Might be some Instagram horse shit.

• 1:33:07Speaker 07

  Oh, okay. It's 2007, but.

• 1:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fairly recently. I remember. They, they found this whale, and they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah, 2007, Native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska made a remarkable discovery. A 50-foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb lance. An explosive harpoon embedded in its neck.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  The artifact traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts. The explosive harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in the late 1880s. So the whales aged by survival, surviving the initial attack. Whale lived for over a century with the metal tip lodged safely in its neck, thick blubber. The extraordinary survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whales can live for 100 to over 200 years.

• 1:34:00Speaker 07

  Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts? Or did they travel to Alaska with that device?

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot. So they probably like made good tech, like east coast manufacturing. And then they probably shipped it off to Alaska. There's not as many people up there. So they probably didn't have as much manufacturing.

• 1:34:26Speaker 02

  So I'd imagine they- In the 1870s?

• 1:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They would ship things by train. They would ship things by train and boats.

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  Into the- yeah.

• 1:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, they always had that. They always had trade. You know, you could always ship things. Not easy, but if you wanted to get guns, like say if there was a, you know, if the army was in California in the 1800s, they had to get guns and they would get the guns shipped to them. They'd either carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country or they can get them shipped to them.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went to, I shot a movie in Iceland. Oh, God, 20, feels like 20 years, I think it was 20 years ago.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  What was it?

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  The movie?

• 1:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  It was called Flags of Our Fathers. And it was also World War II. And, you know, the whaling sort of trade was, it's not, wasn't looked at in the same way I think Americans like look at whaling. They're like, oh my God, how dare you?

• 1:35:22Joe Rogan?

  They look at it as normal.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, it was really interesting.

• 1:35:25Joe Rogan?

  They had to stay alive.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  And it's like, where do you draw the line? It's everyone's got this like, oh, you can't kill this, but I can have my tuna tartare.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Whaling is on the menu.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Joe Rogan?

  Cause you need to stay alive, like especially way back in the day.

• 1:35:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:41Joe Rogan?

  There was not a lot of resources in Iceland. You know? They have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that there, it's very popular that Bourdain told me was the single most fucking disgusting thing he's ever eaten.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:35:54Joe Rogan?

  And it's a delicacy, like they all love it. See if you can find this fermented shark thing that they eat.

• 1:36:01Speaker 07

  That whale was, interesting question, kind of like what I asked. It's a, it was even older. There's like another problem is that that device would have been used up by 1890, it says. Cause they were very popular. They don't know how specifically it would have gotten in that whale.

• 1:36:17Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Says what you don't know is if some Yankee whaler had a harpoon made in 1830, traded it to an Inuit. And then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later. But because the bomb lance was patented and stocks were used up quickly. Baxto, Baxtos and his colleagues identified a narrow window, which they believe the whale was shot. Somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes. Whoa. Whales generally become cloudy, their eyes become cloudy as they age. Found only in Arctic waters, the bowhead was in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century.

• 1:36:58Joe Rogan?

  But bounced back after demand for whale born, whale bone corsets plummeted. Holy shit dude.

• 1:37:07Joe Rogan?

  That was it? Whale bone corsets were killing all the, imagine the whales, they're like, why are they killing us? Are they eating us? Like, no, these chicks, they just wanna suck their waist in tight. Guys think that's hot.

• 1:37:19Speaker 07

  What? No, no, they can't be serious, right?

• 1:37:21Joe Rogan?

  That's what they made them out of? Oh wow, so it had like spines from the whale bones? What? So that's what it looked like? Like a core, they turned into like a, almost like a, like strap?

• 1:37:35Speaker 07

  Whale bone.

• 1:37:36Joe Rogan?

  That's whale bone?

• 1:37:38Speaker 07

  That's a strange.

• 1:37:40Joe Rogan?

  What? Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood?

• 1:37:44Speaker 07

  Steel boning versus synthetic whale bone. They probably ate the whales and then they were like, oh, like this excess bone we can use.

• 1:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and realized it was kind of flexible.

• 1:37:54Speaker 07

  Well, now this is whale bones weren't even made from bone at all. I went to, I went to my buddy's cattle processing plant in California. And they use everything. I mean, everything. They use the.

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  Part of the heart, I believe. Oh, it's an organ. I can't remember. They use it in medical operations. They pull it out and then they send it on ice. They use it for some patching of the heart thing. I mean, down to everything, hooves, everything.

• 1:38:29Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  And it's, it's actually fascinating to see and you're like, oh, this is super efficient. This uses for a lot of different applications, for hide, for, for all kinds of stuff.

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• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

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• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  Completely.

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Everything is used.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:40:40Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, if you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food. If you have a connection with a really good ranch and they're real ethical and it's all grass-fed meat and the animals are raised on a pasture like they're supposed to be.

• 1:40:53Speaker 02

  Even the way they slaughtered him at this place was super, it was really gentle. They, and that was their whole thing. It's like, we're taking a soul, but this is part of life, right? Life eats life. And the way they did it was really painless. And it was just boom, boom, and then it was super.

• 1:41:10Joe Rogan?

  Was it no country for old men style?

• 1:41:11Speaker 02

  Oh, the air bullet thing.

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the bullet through the head.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it goes right to the

• 1:41:16Joe Rogan?

  Apparently that just shuts the lights off.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Shuts the lights off quick and then they bleed him out.

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  How badass was that motherfucker in that movie?

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  Javier, oh my god.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Javier was so good in that movie. It might be one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Because you believed him.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:34Joe Rogan?

  You believed him. When he's making that dude flip that quarter.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Oof.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  He's, I mean, he gives you the chills.

• 1:41:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:41Speaker 02

  That hair, that weird haircut.

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, weird haircut.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:41:45Joe Rogan?

  And it, but it's just the commitment to being a psycho. Like, that dude's got some darkness in his eyes.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  That mu, yeah.

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Look at that weird haircut.

• 1:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Crazy haircut.

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  God, he just

• 1:41:58Joe Rogan?

  Javier is a bad motherfucker, dude. His, there's something about his bad guys that are, like this Cape Fear role that he's in now.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it yet.

• 1:42:07Joe Rogan?

  I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer made me uncomfortable. Just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's a good creep.

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  He's a good

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  He plays a real good psycho.

• 1:42:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's some dudes where you're like, I believe it. And some guys, you're like, come on, man, you're a nice guy.

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  Also, the original Cape Fear, I mean, Robert De Niro on the original Cape Fear, man.

• 1:42:29Joe Rogan?

  You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you? Like, to play a bad guy, or to play, like, the World War II thing, you've got to play someone from a different era, which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it hard for you? Because you're so nice. Like, do you have, would you have, do you have a hard time when you play bad guys?

• 1:42:49Speaker 02

  Uh, well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was like, you know, the ultimate, right?

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he rules.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Wrath of Man, and it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to, you know, you could like act out on your impulses a little bit. Uh, you know, you think of something fucked up in your head and you're like, why would I, why did I think that? I'm not gonna punch that person in the face, why did I think that? You kind of like, you know, to like a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything, but you, you could kind of like revel in your own, like, messed up thinking.

• 1:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  Um, but I don't, I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think, uh, I think I want to do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Ritchie, I'll do anything, right? He's, I think he's one of the best, best, best.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Ever. Look at you.

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, you know, I was, I had to kill a kid there, and I was, I had to just do the dirty work and get it done.

• 1:43:46Joe Rogan?

  You even look evil there, like something, something's different.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Look at your face. Doesn't even look like you. Okay, you look evil. You look like genuinely evil.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I was loose, I was tying up loose ends there.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  Is it, um, when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil?

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  A little. I'm, look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job.

• 1:44:07Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:44:08Speaker 02

  I treat it as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos that like, like, let things become distorted in your mind.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  When you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for six months?

• 1:44:18Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, I mean, I believe him. Daniel Day, like, I believe him.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  I believe him too.

• 1:44:22Speaker 02

  So I don't know, maybe, you know, maybe I, you know, if you want to be the best, I think it comes with a price. And that price is...

• 1:44:29Joe Rogan?

  Sanity.

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  A little bit of sanity.

• 1:44:31Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  You gotta give it up.

• 1:44:33Speaker 02

  My dad was never like that. He was like... It's a job, like, go to work, do the best you can, put in the reps, make sure you're, you know your shit, and you come prepared and you have some, something interesting, but I can leave it at the door, man.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:46Speaker 02

  You know, you see people like their minds get twisted and, you know, we deal in, with artists, right? Artists are, they can be special sometimes.

• 1:44:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they take themselves very seriously.

• 1:44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Um, but there's also a certain amount of, you have to be thinking about how that character would think, right? If you're really gonna pull it off, and you really did pull it off, so you had to be having some even thoughts.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have some, you have some dark.

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  I would love to talk to you.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  I was like, it was a, it was a greedy role.

• 1:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  And I was like, I kinda let the greed take over, which is a little, which is a little scary.

• 1:45:22Joe Rogan?

  So do you have to think like a greedy guy before the, like, like, when you're getting ready for a scene? Like, how do you get your head in that space?

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of, a lot of manifesting sort of those thoughts and emotions, like, what the fuck I'm gonna do? I'm gonna fucking take whatever the fuck I want right now. You know, so you sort of, you know, you, you play that, but then you gotta let it go. Like, day, end of the day, man, you gotta let it go.

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  You gotta be like, ah, cool, that was, that was that thing, and then.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be slippery, right?

• 1:45:53Speaker 02

  I think it can be if you don't have, if you value this career too preciously, and you don't realize, hey, we're telling stories, it's fun, I'm so grateful I've gotten to do it, uh, but it doesn't define me, it might have made me, but it's not gonna break me.

• 1:46:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  I have other interests and other things, and I know there's other important shit out there that I could do in this life. I think you have to have that level of thinking, because if you think this is everything, and I mean, it's too extreme, it's like extreme what we're talking about before, it, it can get too.

• 1:46:34Speaker 02

  It's not healthy.

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of people have problems after roles are done. Like, apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman. Cause.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'd like to talk to him about that because it seems like he got, from all accounts, the people that worked with him on the film, he got so into that character. But he was like being Andy Kaufman all the time.

• 1:46:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, we heard a lot of accounts, like it was, it was like they were like, dude, you gotta chill. You gotta. You gotta chill. I mean, I've worked with some that are, that have taken it to the level.

• 1:47:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they said Jared Leto did that when he was playing the Joker. The people like, hey, man, stop. Stop sending me dead birds.

• 1:47:13Speaker 02

  Rats.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dead rats.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Uh, Shia LaBeouf. I mean.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:18Speaker 02

  LaBeouf? LaBeouf?

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:47:20Speaker 02

  I always get corrected.

• 1:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, Shia.

• 1:47:22Speaker 02

  Shia.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  But yeah, there's a lot of those guys. They, they go into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  It's just, uh, I think just having, also it's like frontal cortex being defined, right? Like, you get famous too early when you did, you know, I was, I worked as a valet, I worked as a barback, I friggin' did all these shitty jobs that, you know, you kinda like, oh no, I understand like how the real world operates. You get famous too early, you get stunted in your growth.

• 1:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:47:50Speaker 02

  And I truly believe that.

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  I think so too. I think it's a real crime when they do it to little kids.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  It's a hundred percent.

• 1:47:57Joe Rogan?

  They never make it out normal.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:47:59Joe Rogan?

  I never met one. I've, I've met some that are okay.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  Leo, Leo made it out.

• 1:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, he, he was a child actor.

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  But he, he had good people around him. He had, you know, he, he's disciplined and he, um, yeah, he's got a good, like, sense of the world.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:17Joe Rogan?

  But he always has like twenty year old girlfriends. It's easy to be happy.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  Isn't everything?

• 1:48:23Joe Rogan?

  He's chilling on a yacht with twenty year olds. I don't understand, like, what do they even talk about? But at the end of the day.

• 1:48:29Speaker 02

  Maybe less talking.

• 1:48:30Joe Rogan?

  There's very few. Well, he did really, he really was famous. He was pretty young though.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, really young.

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  He might be the only one. But I mean, I guess Jodie Foster, she seems pretty put together. She doesn't seem like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the worlds and these other people and you go, oh man, I don't think that was really good for them, you know?

• 1:48:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, I think also.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Corey Feldman. You see these people that were like huge movie stars and they're young and as they're getting older, it's like, I don't think they're doing good. I think their heads all fucked up.

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you place too much value on that too, and then it goes away.

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  Where's your identity?

• 1:49:06Joe Rogan?

  I had Macaulay Culkin in here, and he was very interesting. Um, very nice guy, like, very smart guy, interesting guy, but he struggles, you know? It's like, he realizes, he was sort of robbed of a normal childhood.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:20Joe Rogan?

  Became famous as a little kid, man, Home Alone, he was little.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  My dad, I mean, kudos to my dad, because he, he did a really good job of, uh, protecting us from that. Uh, and, and very private. We didn't live in LA, didn't live, you know, we, we lived in Carmel, we, it was a very, you know, as normal as it could be.

• 1:49:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:49:42Speaker 02

  Uh, but in the sense that he was like, no, that's, you know, you just, you need to be a, a normal child and learn how the world works.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Carmel's beautiful, man.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  Nice place to grow up.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. They say, they say, uh, newlywed and nearly dead.

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Right? That's what it is.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  Because it's like...

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  People get married there, and then they fucking go there to die.

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:03Joe Rogan?

  It's so true.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a little slow for me, but it's beautiful. I lo-, I do, I do appreciate it.

• 1:50:09Joe Rogan?

  I bet they have annoying homeowners associations.

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Come on.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  I bet they have... Hey, you were at the thing, and you two, you didn't know what you were supposed to do. This is off-white. This is not white. Your fence is the wrong color.

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Fucking get a life.

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, old people love to control their, their neighborhood. They, they get horrible on those homeowners associations.

• 1:50:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:33Joe Rogan?

  Old people who are really into controlling the neighborhood, like, ugh.

• 1:50:38Speaker 02

  I'm like, so bored with that story, I'm like, God, you, can you just be different? Can you just surprise me with something else, you know?

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And old people like to live around other old people, too. Makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties, you know? So that's why Carmel, like, calls out to them. If you keep the real estate price high, great, now you got old people living around old, rich people.

• 1:50:59Speaker 02

  Rich people, yeah.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  The most fun.

• 1:51:03Joe Rogan?

  They're the most fun.

• 1:51:04Speaker 02

  They're the most fun.

• 1:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the, they're the most entitled.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:10Joe Rogan?

  The most, they think they can tell you the most what to do, because they used to tell everybody what to do. But still Carmel, fucking beautiful, beautiful part of the country.

• 1:51:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:19Joe Rogan?

  That coast, oh my god, and also sharks out there, a lot of great whites.

• 1:51:24Speaker 02

  A lot of sharks.

• 1:51:25Joe Rogan?

  They're all over the place up there.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But it's, uh, California, man, is one of the most beautiful places on earth. It has so much variation. There's something, you got deserts, you got the beach, you got mountains, you got, we got everything, all in this one beautiful state.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, everyone was, I mean, even in the, the like development of our country, I was like, everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious. And it was like, oh, the gold rush and getting out west.

• 1:51:53Joe Rogan?

  And then California, really LA, it was the movie industry. And that's really what made it.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  It's kinda sad now because it's, they've completely driven it out. I mean, you still have TV shows, yeah.

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  Barely have TV shows.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  Barely.

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  Barely.

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  It's brutal. It's brutal what they do.

• 1:52:10Joe Rogan?

  Do you still live there?

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  You live out here now?

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, uh, I kind of, I tell people I live on the road, cause that's essentially where I am. You know, I was, I was Atlanta, I was here, I was there, I was in Italy making a movie.

• 1:52:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like, they're never, it's, how many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days? It's not, it doesn't even beneficial to live there.

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I've never, I don't think I've ever worked on, maybe I've worked on one film, but it was out for a week. And it was, we shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah.

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  They make it so hard for people now, so stupid.

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's, um, it's a sad because, uh, film is, you know, inherently, like Hollywood is, is inherently something that we've produced out of California, out of America, and it's like to see that, uh, just get completely blown up.

• 1:53:02Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Like an industry.

• 1:53:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, do you have friends that still live back there?

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tons of California friends and, you know, it, I, look, I, I was never, I don't have a lot of industry friends.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  I had, I do have some, but actors like sometimes aren't my people. People.

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  They're just not.

• 1:53:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  I just, I don't know, like the, I don't want to intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, that's like, cool, it's just something I do, but it doesn't define me. You know?

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Some of them are just, they're so self-important.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:40Joe Rogan?

  And it's, you know, you're, it's not even, almost not their fault, almost. Cause they're getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee and everyone's always catering to them. So they, they start feeling like they deserve that from the world.

• 1:53:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:55Joe Rogan?

  It just gets real weird.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry, right? It's masked by, um,

• 1:54:04Speaker 02

  masked by like false security, right? Like it's like, I'm, I'm the man, I'm tougher, I'm, I'm this thing. You build this ego up and you're like,

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:13Speaker 02

  Ah, dude, like, we're just doing a job here. Can you get to set and shut the fuck up?

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  It's just the attention that you get, you know, you get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important. And, you know, it's natural, natural for human beings, but especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living.

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  No, and, and like some of the accountability, man, in the industry is unbelievable. I, I, you know, I just worked with somebody that, I think was just,

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  without saying any names, but, you know, just, maybe, you know, people just get like too famous for too long, they think the world owes them something and then, and it comes to like doing the right thing. You're like, dude, you could just, it, it's black and white. Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit. You,

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  you can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior. And they're like, fuck that, I can do, uh, and you're just like, what dude?

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about exactly? You could, you could say a name and then we'll edit it out. You wanna do that?

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  Well, I just, you know, we started working on a, on a film with, with a director and, and they decided, you know, after we'd spent a bunch of money that they just didn't. Feel like they wanted to work with this other person and didn't want to do the job, do the thing. And so, I was like, okay, well, you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you. And they're like, I'm not gonna do that. And it's like, well, uh, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. That's the right thing to do.

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  So, they decided they didn't want to work with another person?

• 1:55:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, they didn't want to work with like another person after we like started pre-production on the film.

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  So they're trying to get the person kicked off the movie, or were they leaving?

• 1:55:52Speaker 02

  They just left. And they just, it was their directorial, their story, their thing. It was just like, bro, you took money from somebody.

• 1:56:01Joe Rogan?

  That's also a good way to get sued. That seems like that person can get sued pretty easy for that.

• 1:56:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's just, it's like, it's just the bigger, the bigger thing is just, I've seen some behavior in this business that is shocking. That would not go in other industries. But for some reason, because we idolize.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  Because they're stars, right.

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, you're like, what, dude?

• 1:56:23Joe Rogan?

  There's also the thing, there's a thing that some people want to be a star so they can behave like that. They want to be a star so they can order people around or just do whatever the fuck they want to do and just be unpredictable and wild. Like, they actually enjoy that aspect of being famous.

• 1:56:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, to be honest, I never, I really didn't, like, people, people think they want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Rich.

• 1:56:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, rich is better.

• 1:56:49Speaker 02

  Rich is better. But to be, like, that goal is so twisted. It's not, like, I love telling stories and when we're doing a creative endeavor and you move people, whether you make them laugh, make them cry, whatever.

• 1:57:05Speaker 02

  The whole other side of that is like just really ugly. And it's, I think I was lucky in some ways because I got to see it growing up and got to see like how it's bullshit.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, when your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time.

• 1:57:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:20Joe Rogan?

  And he's just your dad.

• 1:57:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  You go, oh, this is bullshit.

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  It's bullshit.

• 1:57:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  Complete bullshit.

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  And also, your dad is not like a guy who gives into that stuff either.

• 1:57:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  He's not a guy who worships that kind of fame, or he's not interested in that at all.

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  Not at all. He's just to put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be in a creative endeavor, which is really cool, and gets to use that, you know, use that muscle, but...

• 1:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Did you hesitate at all about getting into acting because your dad was so famous on it?

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Sure, I think I was always like, I think I was always like, hey, I love telling stories, I love watching movies, I love this. I don't know if exactly I wanted to ever be like, just an actor. It wasn't like, oh, that's my...

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  But you loved film.

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  I loved the storytelling of it, and that was like a conduit in. I'm doing other, other things in film now, producing, and I do want to direct.

• 1:58:16Speaker 02

  It'd be nice to like, show up with my own clothes to work.

• 1:58:20Joe Rogan?

  Where are those sweat hairs?

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  But also, film's a director's medium. It's not really an actor's medium. You need actors, it's part of the deal, but the making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film. You know, there's a film made in, in script and development, there's a film made while you're shooting it, and there's a film made in editing.

• 1:58:40Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever directed anything before?

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  I've, you know, I've done, in, in a creative capacity where I've been a producer, I've had, had hand in directing.

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  But not actually at the helm.

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  That's my name on the, on the thing, and I'm super proud of it. I, I just haven't found the right material to go on, to go out and kind of schlep around.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Do you write?

• 1:59:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:59:05Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 1:59:06Speaker 02

  And I, I, it's the backbone of the industry.

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, if you could write your own thing.

• 1:59:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't know how, I like, when, like, the discipline to do it, like, for what you do, is, it's, it's tough, you know, like, you have the thought to paper, it's...

• 1:59:25Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. That doesn't interest you?

• 1:59:28Speaker 02

  It, it does, in a sense. I just don't like sitting.

• 1:59:34Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? I am really good at collaborating and talking about material and saying, what about this? What if he said this? What if he did this? What about this? Can we go this way? So I think writing partner.

• 1:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you can have a writing partner, yeah.

• 1:59:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe you have a writing partner, someone who you jive with that's creative, and you guys can get together and you could come up with your own idea. That way you have like material that is exciting for you and you could direct that. Because I would imagine if you've been working with guys like Guy Ritchie and all these directors that you've worked with, you've got a chance to see the discipline in the highest level. Like you get to see those guys do it. You know, you get to see how they piece it together. It must be fascinating.

• 2:00:13Speaker 02

  It is, and everyone has a different, a different way of going about it. Like Guy Ritchie, here's the thing about Guy Ritchie. You learn the script, then you show up and he's just like, throws it out the window and goes, you say this, you do that, you do this. And then you're like, okay. And so if you're not, it doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like, this is awesome. Let's do, what is it? Okay, let's go.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  So meaning he wants you to improvise? He wants you to talk like a real person?

• 2:00:43Speaker 02

  It's not necessarily that it's improvising. It's more, he's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats. So he's seeing the movie of what he's already shot and then he's like, I actually don't want that scene. I want him to say this and this. He kind of like is molding the movie.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  In real time.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  In real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer. They have like a blacked out trailer and they'll watch the movie and he'll, they'll, they'll radio in and say, hey, say it like this or do it like this or do, you know, do it one more time. So he's kind of like watching the movie as a, as an audience member.

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  It's really interesting.

• 2:01:21Joe Rogan?

  Is he the only one you know that does it that way?

• 2:01:23Speaker 02

  Yes, 100%. And then you have guys like my dad who would never do that. They would, they wouldn't even, they're just, they're like right there just going, okay.

• 2:01:33Joe Rogan?

  Have you heard Matt Damon's story?

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  Um, which one?

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Matt Damon was working with your dad and he did a take and, and he liked it, but he wanted to do it again. Cause we do it again and Clint's like, no, we got it.

• 2:01:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  He's like, but I've been fucking working forever on this thing. I want, I want one more go at it. He's like, we got it.

• 2:01:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he probably said something like, well, if you want to waste everyone's time, sure.

• 2:01:59Speaker 02

  And the man's like, no, no, no, no, no, we're good, we're good. We're good, we're good.

• 2:02:04Joe Rogan?

  So funny. It's so funny. Yeah, it, um, whatever Guy Ritchie's process is, it works.

• 2:02:12Speaker 02

  It works.

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  His fucking shows, his movies are some of my all time favorites. Right from the beginning, right from Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatched, holy shit, his movies are so good. And he really did such a fantastic job of, almost like, uh, he's like the benchmark for that genre of like British crime genre.

• 2:02:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:02:37Joe Rogan?

  That's him.

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  That's him.

• 2:02:38Joe Rogan?

  That's the, you think of British crime drama, oh, Guy Ritchie.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Guy Ritchie movie. Like, there's this dude, his name's Lee Murray. Lee Murray, eh, he was UFC fighter. Uh, he was famous in London, in England, uh, for being like a street fighter and this crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at a really high level, like won in the UFC. And then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK.

• 2:03:03Speaker 02

  No way.

• 2:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy was a full on psycho.

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  He was a gangster.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight. And they made a video of him hitting mitt six weeks later. Six weeks later, he's back in the gym, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. It's, he was a crazy person. I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine.

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  But so he got, he got arrested for this crime?

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, he's still in jail.

• 2:03:28Speaker 02

  He's still in prison.

• 2:03:28Joe Rogan?

  He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount of money and they did it like in a very high tech, like, like, like the movie Heat. Like that crazy.

• 2:03:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, they had full masks on, armored, fucking body armor, the whole deal.

• 2:03:45Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  And how much did they steal?

• 2:03:48Speaker 07

  Um, fifty-three million pounds, which is ninety-two million dollars.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  The biggest, I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history.

• 2:03:56Speaker 02

  And do they, do they hurt, they hurt people doing it?

• 2:03:59Joe Rogan?

  They didn't hug him. They didn't help him. I don't know if he killed anybody.

• 2:04:01Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I'm just wondering like if.

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  The largest peacetime cash robbery in world history. Wow. So it's worth ninety-two million dollars.

• 2:04:10Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Fifty-three million pounds back then. So that was in two thousand and six. So this is after he had bid in the UFC. So I, you know, I called this fight in the UFC. I was doing commentary back then. They left over a hundred and fifty million behind, a hundred and fifty million pounds because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles. Holy shit.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  How did they get caught?

• 2:04:31Joe Rogan?

  Only about twenty-one million pounds of the stolen cash has ever been recovered. So somebody made away with more than thirty million pounds. So he flew to Morocco, Murray and several associates fled to Morocco. Because he held dual British Moroccan citizenship and Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK. He evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested Murray in June of two thousand and six in a shopping mall. And Rabat following an international manhunt. Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Morocco. After initially being sentenced to ten years, Moroccan appeals court extended his sentence to twenty-five years. In prison for his role in forming a criminal gang kidnapping and armed robbery.

• 2:05:15Joe Rogan?

  So like when this guy got arrested and when everyone's here, everybody was saying that guy's gotta be a Guy Ritchie movie.

• 2:05:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:23Joe Rogan?

  Like that's, that's how much Guy Ritchie has like locked down that genre.

• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  And I think there was some talk. Is there talk about Guy Ritchie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist?

• 2:05:36Speaker 07

  Something came out in Chasing Lightning?

• 2:05:41Joe Rogan?

  It came out already?

• 2:05:42Speaker 07

  No, no, no, he didn't make that, but something came out, it's like a mini-series about it.

• 2:05:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, about the heist? But has Guy Ritchie been connected to a movie about it? Cause I know a bunch of people were talking about it saying like it has to be a Guy Ritchie movie. Like if you're gonna really capture who this guy was.

• 2:05:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:57Joe Rogan?

  He was a real nut, like a real like world-class fighter.

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  Who would play him, like give me the, cause I don't know what he looks like.

• 2:06:04Joe Rogan?

  Jason Statham could probably nail it.

• 2:06:06Speaker 02

  Okay, well then there it is.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  He's perfect.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  He's cast already.

• 2:06:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, he doesn't have the hair for it, but because Lee Murray had a full head of hair, but it doesn't matter.

• 2:06:14Speaker 07

  It's been a rumor for a long time, but he instead did a true crime docu-series called The Diamond Heist instead. This is like a similar story, but it's not the same story at all.

• 2:06:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world-class MMA fighter.

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:31Joe Rogan?

  Who was also a robber, like a high-level bank robber.

• 2:06:36Speaker 02

  I mean, you don't steal like ninety million dollars without...

• 2:06:39Joe Rogan?

  Do they have footage of that robbery? Is there video footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it, and they look nuts. I mean, it looks like a movie. Like, you know, they had-

• 2:06:49Speaker 02

  It might be.

• 2:06:50Joe Rogan?

  Fucking masks on, everything, the whole deal. It's just... That... When you think about that kind of a guy and that kind of a story, I mean, that is right up Guy Ritchie's alley. He's like, that show Mobland, god, that show's so good.

• 2:07:04Speaker 02

  It's good, it's good.

• 2:07:05Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  It's good.

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  It's so good. It's so like... It's like a movie that's like seven hours long, or however many episodes there are.

• 2:07:13Speaker 02

  It's great. It really is great.

• 2:07:16Joe Rogan?

  Who is he your fa- who is... Do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with?

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  He's a... He's gotta be a... I mean, he's... Yeah, if, if him... Ah, I gotta, you know, I gotta work with Oliver Stone.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  Which is like, you know, like sitting with the devil.

• 2:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Iconic.

• 2:07:35Speaker 02

  Man. George Tillman Jr. is a great director. I don't know if you remember that movie, uh, Men of Honor?

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  Remember with Cuba Gooding Jr. and Robert Turner?

• 2:07:43Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:07:44Speaker 02

  He's a great director.

• 2:07:47Speaker 02

  There's a lot of... There's... I've, I've gotten to, you know, work with some really cool... David Ayer's really interesting. That guy's a tough... He... I don't know if you know his story, but he was... He's had a really dark past, but he, he was essentially, he lived on a submarine for like two years, like underwater.

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:08:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's... I'm like, you got some screws loose if you lived on a submarine for two years.

• 2:08:08Joe Rogan?

  Underwater for two years will fuck you up for two hundred years.

• 2:08:12Speaker 02

  I know. I'm like, I'm just thinking about getting how claustrophobic you could get, like, "I gotta get out of this fucking thing, get me out!"

• 2:08:19Joe Rogan?

  You're squashing that part of your brain way too long.

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:22Joe Rogan?

  I could do that for an hour.

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  I don't even know if I want, I don't even know if I want to get in a submarine after I watched the um the tin can they just exploded.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those people?

• 2:08:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, that's not wise.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when you watch the recreations of what must have happened to them, they were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean. That'd be a good way to go. Maybe better than a shark.

• 2:08:43Speaker 02

  Quick.

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  It's like that.

• 2:08:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then people are talking about you like you're an idiot. Like you got in that stupid tin can?

• 2:08:48Joe Rogan?

  You're a billionaire idiot, even worse.

• 2:08:51Speaker 02

  I can't go down like that.

• 2:08:52Joe Rogan?

  Think about all these fucking people that would love to have a, just a piece of your money so they could go have a margarita on the beach somewhere.

• 2:08:57Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go to Tin Can, it's gonna be great!

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna go to the bottom of the ocean and tell everybody I looked through a tiny window. Fuck you. Well, I had, you know, I had a conversation with Cameron and Cameron went, James Cameron went to the bottom of the fucking ocean by himself.

• 2:09:14Speaker 02

  No, no, that's not, there's so, so much wrong with that.

• 2:09:17Joe Rogan?

  He went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, right? Like, I think he's the, he holds the world record for like single piloted submarine vehicle, the, the deepest depths, like.

• 2:09:28Speaker 02

  No, and I also, I feel the same way about space. You know, I'm like, I'm a big Musk fan, but I don't have any desire, bro, to go to Mars or go to space.

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Have fun out there, bro.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  Have fun. You do that.

• 2:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:40Speaker 02

  Okay? I'm all, I'm good here on this planet.

• 2:09:44Joe Rogan?

  It must be awesome to be just, I would like to be in Earth's orbit once, just to look down.

• 2:09:49Speaker 02

  And see the, like, the, the full Earth, that'd be cool.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  They say you have that experience, like, all these different astronauts have talked about it, it's the overview effect. That you, when you're above Earth looking down on it, it just, you're like, oh my god, we're so fragile, it's all just us together. We have to stop, we have to stop all this, like, you have this realization of what we really are and what we're really doing. And how stupid tribal conflicts are and.

• 2:10:15Speaker 02

  Like, world, I mean, yeah, world, world war.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:18Speaker 02

  This, uh, we just keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad, actually, it's, it's.

• 2:10:25Speaker 02

  It's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again. A world war. I mean, that's the like, if you look at the math.

• 2:10:31Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of happening right now.

• 2:10:34Speaker 02

  It's like, what's going on, man? Are we gonna keep doing this? I guess that's what we're doing.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  It's very disturbing. When you're playing a character in a period piece like that, what do you have to do in terms of like, make sure you're behaving like they behave and talking like they've talked? Like, did you have to watch film of those old people?

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  You talk to a lot of people. In this case, this movie, you know, was about, geez, the guys are, you know, most all passed away at this point. But I luckily got to meet a lot of veterans because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and hear their stories, see like, sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories. And you realize, you realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War II. You know, so many people that did so many things that affect like our way of life. I mean, and affect a lot of the world's way of life.

• 2:11:42Speaker 02

  I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And so you carry like that weight with you. It can be, if it's a real, if it's, you know, you know the person, you can watch tape on them, then you get that like luxury. But if you don't, then, you know, it's just, I think it's about carrying that weight and just trying to be as true as you can to that. It comes with a cost doing these movies because not only you go and make them, but then you go and promote them. And you meet these people. I met one of the oldest living veterans the other night at the Washington Archives in DC. 107 years old.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:12:26Speaker 02

  Colonel Stern. And got to hold his hand, you know, and really quite clear still had it like, I mean, shockingly, when he spoke to me, I was like, oh, my gosh. But you could feel that generation, that you could feel that. What he had been through, he was, he was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.

• 2:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  And you're like, oh, and then to have him tell us like, we got it right. And that's what if like, you know, like brought me to tears. I was like, I was like, kind of like, I was shook. So moments like that, it comes, you know, it's like, wow, this is, this is a great responsibility to tell this story.

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

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• 2:15:09Speaker 02

  1942.

• 2:15:10Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 2:15:12Joe Rogan?

  How many years ago was that?

• 2:15:13Speaker 02

  Um, so he would probably have been twenty, yes, so, right, he would have been like.

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Eighty-four?

• 2:15:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:18Joe Rogan?

  Eighty-four years ago.

• 2:15:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life. Imagine that. Imagine you're a hundred and seven years old and your life is kind of defined by something that happened eighty-four years ago.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's wild what they went through. I mean, wild. Imagine, I mean, if they're like, hey, pack up, Joe, Scott, like, we're, we're going to wherever it is, like, I don't know, wherever we're going right now. And we're gonna have to kill people.

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting, like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast?

• 2:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:00Joe Rogan?

  Um, what do you read?

• 2:16:01Speaker 07

  This is him, the guy you met.

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  A battalion commander during World War II, Stern, his name was, uh, Senator Radcliffe. Uh, what is his name? Herbert Irving Stern, that's his name. Um, so it says a battalion commander during World War II, Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions. In April nineteen forty-five, while driving through Germany, Stern's men discovered a concentration camp with three thousand Jewish women. They liberated the camp, providing immediate relief to the prisoners and destroyed the facility.

• 2:16:33Speaker 02

  Wow. Isn't that amazing? Like, we have to celebrate these people, you know, like.

• 2:16:38Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine you're overseas, you're, you're, you're a kid, it's nineteen forty-five, and you, you liberate a, a camp of three thousand Jewish women that are being imprisoned.

• 2:16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it gives me chills just thinking about it.

• 2:16:51Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit, man.

• 2:16:53Speaker 07

  Yeah, you'd have been like, yeah, thirty-five years old, thirty-four years old.

• 2:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if we could see what that guy's seen.

• 2:17:01Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I don't know if we want to, I mean, that would change your whole, change your whole world, like, look on the world, man, I mean.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  But you have to think that way, right? When you're, when you're playing these guys, you have to almost put yourself in their head. How hard is that? Like, what is that like?

• 2:17:16Speaker 02

  It's just, it comes with, like I said, it comes with a cost. You, you go through an emotional journey. You you pay a price, you have to lend your own emotion and own grief, whatever that is in your life, and you have to kind of relive some of that. And it's it's part of, you know, going through what it would have been like to to see some of these atrocities, to see what it's like to lose your best friend right beside you, to lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration camp full of women that are, you know, probably skin and bones and like, it's just, you know, makes you just so, it makes me so grateful for what we have and where we're at.

• 2:18:01Joe Rogan?

  It's also, it's the human's capacity for evil. When you're faced with it like that, it's it's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that and that they still are, that they're still, I mean, to this day, right, right now, somewhere in the world, there's human beings committing atrocities and killing people.

• 2:18:18Speaker 02

  I know. It's, um, yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal to think how savage we can become, like, it's and it's crazy because like, you think about it, it's like, we're not far off. You take water away for seventy two hours and we're dead.

• 2:18:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:35Speaker 02

  So how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other if we don't have basic needs?

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, the civilization's a very thin veneer.

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  It's very thin and it's very vulnerable. And I I think most people are delusional and they're very well fed, very well fed and rested. And they don't have any idea how precarious this thing that we exist in is. I think when you're, I would imagine, when you're doing a World War Two film or something like that, like, you're forced to realize, you're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition. That sometimes, I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments of our past. When you think about the history of the world, really, you're talking about the history of war. You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions and conquests. It's like the most of what we talk about when we talk about history.

• 2:19:29Joe Rogan?

  You know, we talk about the various wars and what happened, what was the result and who was the king and who did this?

• 2:19:36Speaker 02

  What was it over? Greed, resources? This war was is really, I think, I think why it's so fascinating, why World War Two is still so fascinating is because

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  There is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war, really.

• 2:19:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:19:52Speaker 02

  What they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying. You know, they were exterminating innocent people. And we came together as a world, you know, coalition, and fought that evil. And that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here? Or, you know, you're questioning what, is this just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like, this was to save people. And that is, that's very different.

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we think of that as our last great war. That is the, the World War II in most people's eyes is the last just war.

• 2:20:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, we think it's like that's the one that needed to be gunned. Cause it wasn't just evil people, it was evil people on meth. Which is really crazy when you, when we, I didn't know that until like a decade or two ago.

• 2:20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:45Joe Rogan?

  That they were all on meth. And then we had Norman Oll, he wrote, um, uh, how do I say his last name? Oller.

• 2:20:53Speaker 02

  Oller, yeah.

• 2:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Oller. Uh, he wrote this book Blitzed and it's all about the Blitzkrieg when they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Poland in like three days.

• 2:21:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:03Joe Rogan?

  And it was all meth. They just gave them meth.

• 2:21:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war, right?

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They had like thirty-five million doses of meth.

• 2:21:10Speaker 02

  It's nuts, man. That is nuts.

• 2:21:13Joe Rogan?

  And they gave the guys at the front of the lines the most meth. The guys in the tanks, like you guys get the most meth. They wanted them just methed up.

• 2:21:21Speaker 02

  Cracked up.

• 2:21:21Joe Rogan?

  Just driving for three days, killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine. So like they're all chilling and like, they just got fucked up, man.

• 2:21:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  It's just, it's not that long ago. And that's what's really scary.

• 2:21:36Speaker 02

  It is. It's super scary. Also what's, um, what was crazy about, um, this movie and, and, uh, you know, I just, I learn something new every time I do a, a war movie. I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America, like had a life here. And when the war kicked off, there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany.

• 2:22:00Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:22:02Speaker 02

  Can you imagine that?

• 2:22:03Joe Rogan?

  How many?

• 2:22:04Speaker 02

  Like, like thousands.

• 2:22:06Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, I didn't know that.

• 2:22:07Speaker 02

  That went back and like, you know, and then they were spies and they were, they, a lot of them spoke English, a lot of, had the American culture, you know, they understood and they became like spies and it was like, can you imagine doing that?

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Fuck. Fuck.

• 2:22:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany?

• 2:22:30Speaker 02

  What? Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, settle down.

• 2:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, hold the phone.

• 2:22:36Speaker 02

  Don't you know this spot is better? You should be fighting for this, you fucking dumbass.

• 2:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:44Joe Rogan?

  The people that are willing to do that, that's a, that's a different kind of brainwashing.

• 2:22:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you know, it makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays, like, and you kind of think like, oh, like, you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff and I'm not, I'm not, a lot, but I do see, and we were talking about it today, it's like, how strong is the government to like, brainwash, you know, the MKUltra stuff, like the stuff where it's like, you get like a patsy or get someone to do something that you want them to do, kill somebody, whatever.

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  That's like really terrifying.

• 2:23:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's real too.

• 2:23:24Speaker 02

  You think your own thoughts and emotions, but.

• 2:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Also, if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can coax them slowly but surely into becoming a different person. You give them a purpose, you give them a direction.

• 2:23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  You can, I mean, they've done it before. It's not, they didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that. If I had to guess, by some organization, I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction, someone. He just, his background is too squeaky clean after it's over. They professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it. All of his hard drives were gone, all of his computers were gone.

• 2:24:19Joe Rogan?

  He had more than one cellphone, which is very odd for a 20-year-old kid, and had no social media profile. The whole thing was fucked.

• 2:24:26Speaker 02

  Can you explain to me the theories going on with like the Charlie Kirk of it all? Because I know there's, I've heard a lot of like stuff and a lot of smart people that I like respect are like, there's something going on with that that we don't know the full.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's something going on with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together again? Like, the whole thing makes no sense. They think they have footage of him in a backpack. So, but a backpack doesn't carry a gun. And so the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun, then reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly. So, the problem with that is, anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take, you gotta put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore. So, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to sight that gun in, right? And if you're gonna sight that gun in, you're gonna wanna have targets to practice on.

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  You're not just gonna take a 140-yard shot or whatever it was, where he shot Charlie Kirk, not knowing if your sight is on. Cause you, I, I was hunting once and I fell with my rifle. And we went back to the range to test it. It was off on a, so when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all. All you're doing is pulling the trigger. So it's just to make sure that the gun is on. It was off by six inches at a hundred yards, just by moving from a fall. You know, and so you have to check that and then you have to sight the gun back in. You take a, you just take the scope off and then you put it back on and screw it back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing's gonna be accurate.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  And this kid's not like a marksman. He's, it's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing is, it's gro- the whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is, where the, you know, he's saying how he did it or he's gonna do it. They seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop. Is that verified? The footage that was in a yogurt shop that was like 20 minutes later? The guy, the guy's just chilling at a, some fucking frozen yogurt store? That seems weird.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  What about the stuff with like the, the people that were like right around the shooting and stuff? And like, is there like some weird?

• 2:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of people that think that some, that someone, some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time. That's a lot of

• 2:26:59Speaker 02

  Bullshit?

• 2:26:59Joe Rogan?

  Seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. If, if I was standing there and I went like this and at that moment someone got shot.

• 2:27:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:27:10Joe Rogan?

  Is that a coincidence?

• 2:27:11Speaker 02

  Now we're making a mountain out of them.

• 2:27:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Or if you look at your watch at a certain point and that, and that person gets shot. Like a lot of movements going on. You could attribute that movement to someone signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself. So a thirty odd six. Well, it does, it's not a big enough hole. Thirty odd six is a big rifle round. And to shoot a guy in the neck with a thirty odd six, you would expect, first of all, you'd expect an exit wound. And there's no exit wound. It just goes in and it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind of hole that I would expect from a large rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  That's a, that's a round that you would shoot an elk with. It's a big round.

• 2:28:02Joe Rogan?

  And then there's a video footage of him from the back and it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit. So it just goes in his neck and stops?

• 2:28:09Speaker 07

  The details about him being at Dairy Queen are very weird. It seems like he was at a Dairy Queen, but they don't know which one and the one they thought he was at closed down weirdly a couple of weeks afterwards.

• 2:28:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but he was, there is footage of him at a Dairy Queen.

• 2:28:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're just which one it was and when it was.

• 2:28:24Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Either way, after you shoot Charlie Kirk, do you really go to a fucking Dairy Queen like this?

• 2:28:30Speaker 07

  It might have been before, they're saying too.

• 2:28:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, good idea.

• 2:28:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  Right before you go to shoot Charlie Kirk?

• 2:28:35Speaker 02

  Trying to like get an alibi?

• 2:28:36Joe Rogan?

  You know them blizzards, got a lot of caffeine in it? Um, I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. Um, there's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in, or whether or not he said he confessed to his family. You know, I don't know what they're saying now.

• 2:28:54Speaker 07

  He hasn't even, there is an update as of June 12th in a hearing and, and this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet.

• 2:29:01Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if Robinson is convicted. He has not yet entered a plea. How is, that happened in September. How has he not yet entered a plea?

• 2:29:13Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 2:29:13Speaker 02

  Is that like?

• 2:29:15Speaker 07

  This is, they're going over details about kinda-

• 2:29:17Speaker 02

  Keep you in limbo?

• 2:29:18Speaker 07

  The prosecution going on public, talking about the, uh, the bullet fragment found and the defense is saying they shouldn't have done that. There's a whole back and forth about that.

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't, I don't pretend to know, but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure, like you said, there's some bullshit where people are gonna go, ah, the O C, look, and you're like, okay, come on.

• 2:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Tucker Carlson was just talking about it and he thinks that Israel killed him. And he thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of people saying that's ridiculous. And then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover? And how many people are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence? I don't know. Um, but he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was gonna get out of the Israel supporting business.

• 2:30:03Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what that means. You know, I don't, because apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu who's expressing his support for Israel. And so is that real? I don't know.

• 2:30:14Speaker 02

  It's so hard these days to just, like-

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Nothing is a hundred percent real.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  If it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of it's bullshit. And so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe? He was in love with a trans man, or a trans woman, rather, and so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that, really?

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  Do you think, like, younger people, though, have, like, a bigger distrust in the media, I feel like now? I feel like that's, it's changing, so it's maybe for the best.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure, but I mean, this isn't even the media, this is the government. You know, this is the official position, like, they paved over the crime scene, like, within days afterwards.

• 2:30:59Speaker 02

  That's weird.

• 2:31:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this is a lot of weird shit, man. The Thomas Crooks thing, they cremated him within days after he was killed. You know, where's the toxicology examination? Where's the results? I want to know what kind of psych medication this fucking kid was on. Like, what was he doing? Like, what was happening? Why did he shoot at the president? Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like, what the fuck is going on? And, you know, we don't ever get told. You know, this Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man, it's weird. Just the gun itself alone. I've heard varying depictions. Getting on that fucking roof with a gun, going through the stairwell with a gun, he doesn't have the gun. So did he get the gun up there already? So they're saying it's in the backpack. No, it's not, it doesn't fit in the backpack.

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe the stock, maybe the barrel's in his legs, he taped it to his pants. Fuck off. Fuck off, you can't put a gun back together again and make it that accurate. So I don't believe that. And then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof with it? And then put it back together again in the woods? Is that what they're saying? I don't know if that's exactly what, that's some version of it, but any version of it, where this guy, under a high-stress, high-adrenaline situation, is taking apart a gun and putting it back together again? Fuck off. Fuck off. Like, I don't believe that.

• 2:32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, especially someone untrained, right?

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And he jumped off the roof afterwards and then escaped, like, okay.

• 2:32:21Speaker 07

  The thing with, uh, which one is this? This is the first shooting, the professionally scrubbed apartment? That's a weird detail that doesn't seem to have... Accuracy.

• 2:32:32Joe Rogan?

  It says right here, July 24, 24, House Homeland Security Committee hearing, Rep. Eli Crane said he had received information that Crook's house was scrubbed, cleaned, and even silverware removed before investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article making the allegation into record, and from there, professionally scrubbed and no silverware talking points spread through blogs, forums, X posts, and podcasts. What officials have said. When Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner Colonel Christopher Paris whether the home had been extremely clean or missing silverware, Paris implied that he had not been given any such details in his briefings.

• 2:33:11Speaker 02

  But see, this is what I like.

• 2:33:12Speaker 07

  Says he lived with his parents.

• 2:33:14Speaker 02

  This is what I like, though. You're fact checking yourself, and I think this is super important because people start, no matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their own narrative. And it's like, no, no, hold on, I could be wrong, and let's fact check. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not wrong, I don't know.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  So he was living with his, his primary residence? It says it was his parents' single family home. Did he have his own apartment? He had a separate apartment?

• 2:33:36Speaker 07

  Said he didn't.

• 2:33:38Joe Rogan?

  It said he didn't? But it says primary residence.

• 2:33:41Speaker 07

  Well, I mean, that's what you call it.

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  But it says not in his own separate apartment. Does that mean he didn't have a separate apartment?

• 2:33:47Speaker 07

  I asked the question, did he have his own apartment or whatever? What about the apartment?

• 2:33:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see. I see, so it gave you that response. The house and surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination attempt, and investigators reported finding bomb-making materials there. Oh, boy. So in case it didn't work out with the gun, he had a bomb?

• 2:34:09Joe Rogan?

  Did he think he was gonna make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought? Thought he'd shoot the president and just jump away? No one's gonna notice? Like, they've got snipers all over the place. They took that guy out the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing it and convinced him that they had a way to get him out of there?

• 2:34:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, that's the scary thing, right?

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:28Speaker 02

  The mind control, like, like you said. You know.

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  Especially if they're giving him drugs. That's my point about the toxicology examination. So, a lot of people were very concerned. They cremated him right away. Because if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and you found out that there were some drugs in there that they give people to influence them, like maybe they, maybe he had LSD in his system. Maybe he had something else, some other psychiatric medications in his system. That you would say, well, why was he given this? You know, is this something that we've done when we're working on mind control experiments? Have we given people these things?

• 2:35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:02Joe Rogan?

  Are we still doing that? There was also metadata that connected a phone from DC to his house. From like Virginia, outside the FBI area, where the FBI offices are. Back and forth to this guy's house, multiple times. Metadata from a phone. Can't say whose phone, who knows? Hmm hmm, probably nothing.

• 2:35:22Speaker 02

  Or, don't they know?

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  He was also in a BlackRock commercial.

• 2:35:25Speaker 02

  If you want to find out whose phone that is, they got, like, people could find out whose phone that is.

• 2:35:29Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine.

• 2:35:30Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:35:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's all weird.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  It's not, I mean, look, there's probably a lot of people before the election that wanted Trump dead. Fill in the blank, who you think it might be? But, most likely, somebody got a kid to try to do it. And he didn't pull it off. But he came close.

• 2:35:48Speaker 02

  Scary man.

• 2:35:49Joe Rogan?

  And then there's the real dummies who think it's staged, which is so crazy.

• 2:35:53Speaker 02

  Oh, that, I've heard that. I was hearing that narrative.

• 2:35:56Joe Rogan?

  They let him nick his ear with a bullet.

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  I'm like, what?

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how dumb that sounds? You have no idea about shooting things at distance. There's no way.

• 2:36:04Speaker 02

  They're like, it's performative, so he can, like, what?

• 2:36:07Joe Rogan?

  There's not a fucking chance in hell that you could nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate. You could easily blow half their fucking head off, you know?

• 2:36:16Speaker 02

  And, and like what? So like, they're gonna take that risk to put on that performative? And what happens if they're not?

• 2:36:21Joe Rogan?

  And kill the people behind them.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, because someone got shot, right?

• 2:36:25Joe Rogan?

  One guy died, at least one person died, another guy got shot really badly. And two other people, I think, are suing now. They're suing the government for negligence. Because of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured, because they got shot.

• 2:36:37Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And the whole, the fucking, the whole thing where the lady who was the head of the Secret Service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on that roof because the slope was too steep. Like, what? And that didn't even make sense, because the slope of the building where the snipers were on was steeper. Made no sense. So it's almost like it was set up so that that kid could get up on that roof and take a shot.

• 2:37:01Speaker 02

  I mean, look, it seems like the powers that be are pulling some strings. That's all I'm saying.

• 2:37:06Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 2:37:07Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? They're pulling strings. If you're not playing by their rules, if you're not kissing the ring, kind of Hollywood's the same way. You know what I mean? Hollywood is like, there's a lot of that bullshit.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of that bullshit.

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  A lot of that, like, kiss the ring and things where you're like, nah, I ain't gonna do that. You know? Nah, you know? It's like, nah. You let, you know? It's like, like you said, how bad you wanna be Batman?

• 2:37:33Speaker 02

  How bad you wanna be Batman? Ah, if it cost me my soul, maybe, maybe I'm good.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, good for you, dude. Good for you. You've, you've achieved a nice balance in your life and work relationship, and I think that's very important. You know, and like, I always tell people, like, he's like the normalist guy. You're like, the normalist guy that's a movie star. Like, that I know, like, every time I'm, like, I've introduced you to people, they're like, who is he? Oh, yeah, that's Scott Eastwood. You're like, what? That's Clint Eastwood, son? It's like, like, he should, he's so normal.

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  There's a lot of the normal people, though. There's some great ones.

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  You know?

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  They exist.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  There's some great ones, but they're few and far between.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fucking super normal.

• 2:38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:12Joe Rogan?

  They're like regular guys when you talk to them. They're, they manage to keep their, as hard as it is.

• 2:38:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Keep whoever it is that's them, they, they're still that.

• 2:38:21Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:38:21Joe Rogan?

  So, kudos to them, kudos to you. And thanks for these vitamins.

• 2:38:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 2:38:26Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna take them. I'll tell you what's up.

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Tell me what's up.

• 2:38:28Joe Rogan?

  They suck, I'm gonna tell you that, too. I'm sure they're great, I'm just kidding. Uh, North Performance, that's what it's called.

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  There we go, baby.

• 2:38:35Joe Rogan?

  And your movie, one more time?

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  Lucky Strike, out tomorrow.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Out tomorrow.

• 2:38:39Speaker 02

  Out tomorrow.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 2:38:40Speaker 02

  It's a perfect timing. Two hundred fifty years, celebrate the, our veterans.

• 2:38:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes. Um, good luck with that.

• 2:38:47Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations on everything.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  Same.

• 2:38:50Joe Rogan?

  All right. Bye, everybody.

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