#2520 - Tommy Lee

Tommy Lee is a genre-spanning solo musician, producer, and songwriter as well as the drummer and co-founder of Mötley Crüe. His latest album is “Tommyland Rides Again.” See him live with Mötley Crüe on The Return of the Carnival of Sins Tour beginning July 17.www.youtube.com/tommyleewww.motley.comwww.tommylee.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Training my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  How ya doing?

• 0:13Speaker 03

  Thanks for the heads up, so I'm not tripping later going, "Hey dude."

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, man.

• 0:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, good to see you too.

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth? Is that what's going on?

• 0:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:23Joe Rogan?

  Nice, nice.

• 0:24Speaker 03

  That's fun.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  My friend Cam just got a gold tooth. And I was giving him a hard time, but then I was like, "Damn, I think I want one."

• 0:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta get one, dude.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  I'm thinking of getting a gold tooth. I have a cap. One of my, I had a root canal, I've got a cap out of one of them, I think I'm gonna swap it out for a gold tooth.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  Do it, do it.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah.

• 0:41Speaker 03

  I got one back here somewhere. It's just that little like, I don't know, that little pirate thing starts to happen.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's just a little, little outcasty.

• 0:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  So what's cracking, brother? How you doing?

• 0:56Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm good, man. I'm, uh, I'm stoked to be here, to see you.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  Stoked to have you here.

• 1:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, man. I, shit, I wish I was staying longer now, um, but, uh, we'll make the best of...

• 1:09Joe Rogan?

  How long are you staying? How long are you in town for?

• 1:11Speaker 03

  I'm leaving after...

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Right after this?

• 1:13Speaker 03

  After you, yeah.

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  Where you headed?

• 1:15Speaker 03

  Back home, LA. My son is getting married.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, congratulations.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  Thanks, thanks. Which is such a trip, dude. You know, like, he's 29, and, um, he's getting married, and I'm just, I've been kinda tripping out on that, like, dude, where the fuck did that time, A, go?

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39Speaker 03

  And like, I'm so fucking happy for him that he's been seeing this girl for seven years? I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what I mean?

• 1:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  He knows and they're, they've been, basically, they've been married, you know?

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  And they're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for him, like, I tell him all the time, like, so happy for you, dude, like, you know, you use some patience and some love and like, mix it all around and put some time in there and you know shit's, like, your survival rate is gonna be way better, way better. And that makes me really happy.

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  And your happiness rate. I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you've had such a fucking crazy, chaotic life, he's probably like, "Slow down, give me a fucking yard and a picket fence and whoa."

• 2:37Speaker 03

  Totally, totally. That's why, like, you know, in the drift of everything, I'm really surprised and I'm really happy he just like, pumped the brakes.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:48Speaker 03

  Make sure that what he's doing is the real shit.

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, especially in LA with a rock star dad, it's like, there's so many bad influences. There's so many ways you could go where you could just ruin your fucking life. It's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 3:06Joe Rogan?

  So easy.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Right?

• 3:08Joe Rogan?

  Cause everybody else is doing it too. You're like, "Hey, I guess we're doing meth."

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  I'm fucking just, I, I mean, I know people that are good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole and they're not bad people, they're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason and then next thing you know, they're all strung out. And it's like, LA is the hub of that. There's so much of that going on in LA.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, and if you are, have any sort of, that sort of shit magnet attached to you, like, you know, the shady friends and the weird circles, you just kinda, and all of a sudden, you're just fucking.

• 3:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to like crazy people. Like that world. That is the world where if you're a fucking kook, like you gravitate towards that world, you know? It's probably so hard to find like sane, balanced people that are, you know? They have their shit together. It's like, it's almost impossible. So like, you're just comparing yourself to the other chaotic people you're around. And you're the fucking drummer in Motley Crue. I mean, how are you supposed to be normal? What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time.

• 4:33Joe Rogan?

  You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally a sea of human beings singing along to your music. That's, nobody can understand that.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  I know, man. Yeah, they've, and yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. Like, I put them to work out on tour, you know, just so, you know, we could hang out and spend time. They're like, you know, get them a radio. All of a sudden, they're part, one of my sons is part of the lighting crew, helping those guys. My other son is like, all he's worked, all he wants to know about is like, "Dad, I want to be in charge of all the after-show passes. I'll go out while you're playing and I'm gonna hit all the chicks." And like, my son is out there just, just stack of passes. "Come on back afterwards. Come on back."

• 5:23Speaker 03

  You know, and then watching him like have, just, just running it, right? It just like, brings a tear to my eye, man.

• 5:35Joe Rogan?

  That's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, like, how much of a dream does it feel? I mean, it's gotta feel very bizarre that you, you know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and then you're looking back on it, like, how fucking surreal does it all feel?

• 5:56Speaker 03

  It's, dude, I pinch myself still, daily. Literally, and I'm, I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here. I'm, I'm lucky I get to do this. I always say to people, like, there's, there's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing. There's some luck, some talent.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Timing of things, and when those things kind of all line up, um, and it happens for you, and it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where, like, a lot of it's a fucking blur. Like, a ton of it's a blur, where you have to have somebody else, like, remind you, like, "Oh shit, that's right. I totally forgot we did that." You know, like, about crazy times.

• 6:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a trip, dude. I, I, I spend a lot of time, like,

• 6:51Speaker 03

  hanging on.

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  "Oh, fuck. Here we go."

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  Did you get a chance, like, when you were coming up, to talk to any other rock stars? Did anybody give you advice on how to handle things? Like, what it's, how weird it's gonna be?

• 7:04Speaker 03

  No. I'm trying to think of any sort of a mentor kind of dude on, like, how to survive the shit. No.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, pull Keith Richards aside and say, "Hey, man, how about a few tips? How'd you do this? How are you still here?" Bro, I saw them at Coda, at the Circuit of the Americas, a couple of years back. They were fucking incredible, man. Incredible.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Insane.

• 7:28Joe Rogan?

  They're like, "What is, how old is Keith?"

• 7:30Speaker 03

  Dude...

• 7:31Joe Rogan?

  Are they, like, 80?

• 7:32Speaker 03

  He's gotta be.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  Mick is, like, 80? Bro, Mick is moving around and dancing and singing.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Insane.

• 7:39Joe Rogan?

  Insane. This episode is brought to you by The Mosquito Bowl. Here's a story that's pretty incredible. After Pearl Harbor, four of the best college football players in America walk away from promising NFL careers to enlist in the Marines and fight in World War II. And the craziest part? It's a true story. These guys had their whole lives ahead of them, but traded the glory of the gridiron for the brutal reality of combat, where the stakes were life and death. Directed by Peter Berg, the guy behind Friday Night Lights, and starring Nicholas Galitzine, Bill Skarsgård, Ray Nicholson, and Tom Francis. The Mosquito Bowl. In theaters October 30th.

• 8:27Speaker 04

  Tremfya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tremfya is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self-inject Tremfya, proper training is required. Tremfya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis, serious allergic reactions, increased risk of infections, or lower ability to fight them, and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  Ask your doctor about Tremfya today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more, or visit tremfyaradio.com.

• 9:21Joe Rogan?

  After a year away, Canelo Alvarez is back in the ring October 31st, facing undefeated Christian Mubili, live on The Zone, and DraftKings Sportsbook has you covered for the fight. With DraftKings Sportsbook, your number one sportsbook for live betting, you can stay connected as the action unfolds and makes your picks in real time. Whether you're locked in for the main event or watching the full card with friends, DraftKings Sportsbook gives you another way to follow the fights you already care about. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use the code ROGEN. New DraftKings Sportsbook customers can spend $5 and get $200 in total bonuses within 21 days. That's code ROGEN. In partnership with DraftKings, the crown is yours.

• 10:03Speaker 05

  If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, call 1-800-MYRESSET. 21 and over, Virginia only. Eligibility restrictions apply. $50 in non-withdrawable bonus bets issued every seven days via click to claim for 21 days. Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Limited time offer.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Dude, and let me tell you a fun, quick little story here. Molly Crew gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween, I forget what fucking year.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  At some stadium, and I think it was Toronto, we got to open for them, and we were so fucking pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me? We'll get to fucking do this? Um, anyway, we play, we play our show back in the, in our dressing room. After we're done, the Stones tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, Tommy. I was like, yeah, he goes, he goes, Mick and Ronnie Keith would like to see you. And I was like, Brad, I fucking head over there and dude, this is hmm, 20 minutes before they're to go on.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  I go into their, their world and they got, they bring a bartender around with them. So there's a guy set up, just slinging fucking drinks. Mi- uh, Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie, dude, they were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty like, hey, fucking right, just falling over with their guitars.

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  20 minutes before they go on stage.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  I'm like, how are these guys gonna fuck, there's no way they're playing. I'm sorry, there's no way, no fucking way. And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos and it was like, let's go to the stage. And I'm like, oh, I gotta see this, I'm rocking with them, right? They get up there, fucking lights go out, boom, they fucking, I think they started with start me up. And it was like a switch flipped. All of a sudden, those guys were fucking money, like 100% fucking rocking out.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  I was like, how did they just go, they've been doing it for so long that they just, they're masters of the controls. They're like, okay, I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go, like it's okay.

• 12:38Joe Rogan?

  I think some guys just.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  That was a crazy level, like.

• 12:41Joe Rogan?

  I wish I saw that.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  You could barely talk and then they went up there and fucking ripped it.

• 12:46Joe Rogan?

  I wish I saw that. Some guys just wanna be fucked up to just feel the experience, just to just ride it like a wild bull.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Wherever you land, you land.

• 12:57Joe Rogan?

  That's where some guys like to do it. I mean, and rock, I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down, where a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  You know? You wanna see something fucking inspirational? I'm gonna show you something crazy.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  Always.

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  This is, uh, have you seen Jamie, have you seen, uh, Rick Springfield lately?

• 13:19Speaker 03

  I, I did just see him and I, I was like, whoa dude.

• 13:22Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna send you a video and it's gonna blow you away. This is literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  Isn't he all fucking like?

• 13:30Joe Rogan?

  Seventy-six years old, okay? Seventy-six.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Seventy-six.

• 13:34Joe Rogan?

  Seventy-six. And he's singing Jessie's Girl like he just wrote it.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  And he's fucking?

• 13:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Play, start it, put the headphones on.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  Put the headphones on and back this up from the beginning.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, I just sent it to you on Instagram.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  He's ripped.

• 13:53Joe Rogan?

  Click on the other link then, the one that I sent you on Instagram.

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  Because you can't, first of all, he looks fucking incredible, like he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't even understand it. He looks like a thirty-year-old guy.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:06Joe Rogan?

  And he's singing the song like he just wrote it.

• 14:13Joe Rogan?

  Bro, seventy-six.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy!

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Fuck!

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Amazing, man.

• 14:47Joe Rogan?

  Amazing!

• 14:48Speaker 03

  That's fucking inspirational.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  Inspirational.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  Seventy-six years old, and the passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's like just going out there and going through the motions. He's singing that song like he just wrote it.

• 15:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally.

• 15:02Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah, Rick Springfield.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, good job, bro.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah. That's amazing.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:08Joe Rogan?

  I've been sending that to everybody. I'm like, fuck yeah.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  That is, I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa.

• 15:14Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people when they're seventy-six are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on, fucking crushing life.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Dude, I love it. I love it. That's gonna, that's gonna be me, still ten years from now, fucking just rocking shit.

• 15:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, I remember in the eighties, there were no old rock stars. Like, no one was out there touring that was an old rock star.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  You're right.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  And then, the Stones released a new album, I think it was like eighty-eight or eighty-nine, and everybody's like, wow, they're gonna tour again? It was almost like, aren't they done with this? Like, they're older now.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:49Joe Rogan?

  And then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while. And now it's not, and people are like, why are we retiring? Like, why? Why would I stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do?

• 16:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, that you love to do.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  No, let me stop doing that.

• 16:08Joe Rogan?

  It was like a thing with hip art, hip-hop artists, too. They would get to an older age and people just didn't appreciate them anymore. It's like, it was like a young guys' game. But now, a lot of those older guys are going on tour, too, and people realize like, oh, these guys are fucking dope. Like, I saw Run DMC went on, or excuse me, Public Enemy, went on with, I think it was, I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes. They're killing it. They're still getting after it.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  That's the best, man. You gotta love that. And I think that resur, I don't know if you call it a resurgence, or just that, that style of like, there are certain things that were, that were really great that have stood, you know, stood the test of time, and I, and I really think that... The way shit is now, man, there is too fucking much. Like, there's too much music. Like, Spotify releases like three hundred fucking thousand songs a day.

• 17:13Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Who the fuck is listening to all this music, dude? I'm in the business, and if I can't keep up, how can a fan of music keep up? So I just, I think that the, the, the excess of, it's just static and it's really blown a hole through for, you know, uh, original stuff, you know, um, really good stuff, because a lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the same now. But I just, I think that it's, that it's been a, a cool progression that's, that's sort of fueled that. I don't know if I'm making sense, I'm kind of getting.

• 17:55Joe Rogan?

  No, you're making sense.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  You know what I'm trying to say?

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  There's so much static now that, um, that, the, the, the, sort of the.

• 18:03Joe Rogan?

  Something has to be undeniable to break through.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  The authentic stuff.

• 18:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Still fucking holds water.

• 18:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Big time, and, you know.

• 18:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's always like one song that all of a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people listen to it, go, holy shit.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:19Joe Rogan?

  There's always gonna be something that's exceptional. But I do agree, it's impossible, there's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about, and then someone turns me on to it, and I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy?

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And had your friend not turned you on to that, you would, you'd never fucking know.

• 18:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's no real radio anymore.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  No.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  Right? So how do you find out? When I was a kid, when I was in high school, like, if a new Motley Crue song came out, it was on the fucking radio.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 18:48Joe Rogan?

  And then you knew, alright, the new album's out, let's go get the new album.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  And that was with every major band. It was like, then you got MTV. MTV came along, oh, the music video's out, the album's out. But now, it's like, anyone can just put stuff up, you know, which is great.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, which is cool.

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, it's, look, it's, it's all. All overall positive because you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:13Joe Rogan?

  More people that are making music, which is awesome. But like, it's the same thing with movies. Can you imagine you had to watch every movie ever made? You'd have to be a million years old. Never finished.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 19:25Joe Rogan?

  Son of hours in the day.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's the same, it's the same musically, uh, what's happening musically. It's happening with everything entertainment wise. Films, television shows, there is an abundance of like, it's just too much. How do, how do people, I mean, people got these, you know, uh, you know, uh, you know, TV packages. Where they've got subscriptions, four thousand different places and you still can't find anything to watch. You're like, what the, what the fuck is happening here, everybody? We gotta like, peel it back a little bit. Make it a little easier here.

• 20:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's so many options. It's almost like dating apps, right? Like, if someone, if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth open, like swipe. Who's next?

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, people get, they don't get a chance to know anybody. And I think that's also the same thing with movies and TV shows.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:20Joe Rogan?

  Cause if you're watching Netflix, if you get bored for three seconds, you're like, fuck this movie. What else is on? Bip, bip, bip, you know? Okay, try this one. And you watch that for ten minutes, not fuck this. I would like to see their numbers of like, how long people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days, most people watched the movie to the end.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 20:43Joe Rogan?

  I bet now it's like twenty percent.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Oh dude.

• 20:46Joe Rogan?

  If that.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  I'll bet, yeah, I'm, I'm just gonna say a little bit more.

• 20:48Joe Rogan?

  If that, yeah. Everybody, it's short attention span life right now. It's very, very bad for you.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:54Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes you gotta just take something in.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  And, and that, and that affects the people who create the stuff because you, you realize. I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six-year-olds here. And if, if my shit isn't banging within the first, whether it's a movie, or a song, or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within three or four seconds, you're, you're next, next.

• 21:25Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  When that's just the world we're in, so that, then that affects people who make the, the stuff, because they, they really gotta put the best shit up front, quick, or else you, you're gonna lose everybody.

• 21:38Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  And that's, that sucks.

• 21:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they don't have to give in to that.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  Nobody's got time for, for suspense, or, you know, ah, fucked up.

• 21:48Joe Rogan?

  This summer, the cup is taking over the US and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app. New DraftKings customers, sign up with code ROGEN, spend five bucks to get 200 in rewards within 21 days. That's code ROGEN. In partnership with DraftKings, the crown is yours.

• 22:26Speaker 05

  Bet with DK Sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. 1-800-MYRESSET. New York, call 877-8HOPENY or text HOPENY. Connecticut, call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino in Kansas. That text pass through may apply in Illinois. 21 and over, void in Ontario. Event contract trading with DraftKings predictions involves risk of loss. Sportsbook bonus bets expire in seven days. Fifty dollars in predictions dollars issued weekly for three weeks expire in one year. Redeem one non-withdrawable reward. Availability varies. Predictions offered void in New York, ends June 28th. Terms at dkng.co/audio.

• 22:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, think about some of the songs from the past that would never pass muster today that are just amazing classics. Like "Whole Lot of Love." So "Whole Lot of Love," you have a minute and a half fuck sounds with cymbals before it comes back to this insane guitar solo.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:13Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're right.

• 23:14Joe Rogan?

  Like you're like, "Ah, ah, ah, yeah." It's like the most bizarre song ever.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, kinda drum solo-y, kinda...

• 23:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Off into nowhere.

• 23:25Joe Rogan?

  And classically, "Free Bird." When Lynyrd Skynyrd released "Free Bird," they're like, "No, no, no, this song takes way too long to get going. It's so long, it's like a seven-minute song, you gotta... This is never gonna fly." Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems in the history of the world, and perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 23:45Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 23:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:46Joe Rogan?

  "Free Bird," when that dude gets going? And you see it live, and everybody's fucking... The whole fucking place is going off.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Going bananas.

• 23:53Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the greatest guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race. And their record company was like, "It's too long."

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:59Joe Rogan?

  People don't have any attention span for this, guys.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  God, even back then, people were fucking hating.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's always the people that are the money people. Because all they give a fuck about is money. And you're in the creative side of it, and the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it, and they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can because they wanna buy Rolls-Royce. So like, "Come on, suck that dick, let's go." And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking Nickelback over here, and this guy over there, and there's always a new band they can push and pimp.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:32Joe Rogan?

  And so they just wanna make the maximum amount of money possible. So they always have shitty advice. Because their advice is based on making money.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And for that reason, when we were on Elektra Records, they were never allowed in the studio. No one from the label.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  We allowed them once, and he came in and started making like... Making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, "Out."

• 25:02Speaker 03

  Out.

• 25:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  You'll get it when it's done here.

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God. So gross.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude. And here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no, not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking song's in. Alls he knows is it's too long.

• 25:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  And we gotta get to it quicker.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason. They're just kind of, they're just involved with other great creative people and that's what they sell. That's their business is to sell stuff that's awesome.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  And somehow or another, they think it makes them awesome. It's very weird, like, you know Zach Bryan, he's got a great song called, uh, I think it's Damn Cold Vampires or Cold Damn Vampires. It's a great fucking song about-

• 25:49Speaker 03

  It's a fucking tongue twister.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry and it's about these vampires that are just, just sucking blood out of these artists and was a great song, the great line in the song, trying to make, make an empire of the things that you create. They're making an empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that they have an insight and they're, I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee. And let me tell you something, kid, I know music and that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna show you these statistics.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:28Joe Rogan?

  We've got a guy-

• 26:29Speaker 03

  We got statistics.

• 26:29Joe Rogan?

  We got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He knows when people are, and when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy. We gotta stop them from tuning out.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  Cause I wanna get a Koenigsegg. I wanna get one of them fucking $2 million cars. These cunts, they're just, they're, they exist in every, every walk of life where one person is like, you know, a creative type that's not business oriented and you need a business person.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  So the business people come in, cause they're, someone's gotta sell it. You're not gonna fucking sell it.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  What are you gonna do? You gonna make your own record company? You gonna hire your own executives and do your own promotion? Get the fuck out of here.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:05Joe Rogan?

  You can't.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  So they come along and they get involved and they fuck it all up.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:11Joe Rogan?

  And how many guys have listened to them? And ruined their careers, cause they listen to them.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  You know the Billy Squire story?

• 27:21Joe Rogan?

  So Billy Squire.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Remind me, cuz I think I know.

• 27:23Joe Rogan?

  Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. He had that song Lonely Is The Night, oh my god.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  I love Billy Squire.

• 27:30Joe Rogan?

  Dude, the stroke, he was fantastic. And he did one music video where it was like very effeminate. It was like really weird.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Oh, was it when it was, he was in his pajamas or something?

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  It was really weird. And everybody was like, nope.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, what is he doing?

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea or somebody else's idea. They just took a wild chance.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:56Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  No one knows.

• 27:58Joe Rogan?

  I pray to god it was his idea. Cuz at least, like, he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, fine.

• 28:05Joe Rogan?

  But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in, in a song. It was like, very, the reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  He was like, you know, shirt down to his, you know, open up down to his pants and fucking saying he was a bad motherfucker on stage. Sing his ass off.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:27Joe Rogan?

  He's a star! One music video tanked him.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  I think it was My Kinda Lover. I think that was the song where.

• 28:35Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find what the, the video was. This is it?

• 28:38Speaker 06

  There's a documentary someone made on, uh, Facebook, I found that.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  About it?

• 28:43Speaker 06

  About this whole thing, yeah.

• 28:44Joe Rogan?

  So like.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  This, this is it, dude.

• 28:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it's, it was very weird, like.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  What song is it? Can you hear?

• 28:50Speaker 06

  I will, yeah, we're gonna have to cut it out though.

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  So it was somebody else's idea, is that, that guy with the face? That guy with the face is who looks like the guy, looks like the guy that would tell you.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands at his knees.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  It was weird. It was very weird.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Fuck, what song was this?

• 29:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, if he was like, like, look at this. Look at him skipping around and it was very odd. That guy. That seems like the type of guy that would give you the bad advice.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Something Me Tonight is the name of the song.

• 29:22Speaker 06

  I wanna.

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 29:24Speaker 06

  I don't know, I'll look up the song.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  Not familiar with that title?

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know either.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  But I know, yeah, I got, I remember that.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  And everybody's like, nope.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:32Joe Rogan?

  That's a rap. And that guy should have had like fucking fifty giant albums. That guy was amazing.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  Such an incredible singer, man.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  So rad.

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  Rock me tonight, nineteen eighty-four.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 29:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we'll cut that part out, but you can see him dancing around. Like, look at this.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that, buddy.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:55Joe Rogan?

  What is this? He's like...

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, we need you on the ground, squirming around, hopefully.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully it was his idea.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he was just, you know...

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  Because my god, if this was somebody else's idea, like, I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser. I want you to be more, more free.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  I want you to be like, I want to feel it. I want to feel... I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what I want you to do. I want you to like this. Eh, like you barely can crawl. Like, you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Yes, dude.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck did you do to him?

• 30:36Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 30:37Joe Rogan?

  What did you do to him?

• 30:38Speaker 03

  I know.

• 30:40Speaker 03

  I hope it was his idea.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  Despite its major success, the song is sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video, which is described as one of the worst ever in the 2011 book, "I Want My MTV: The Uncensored Story of the Music-Video Revolution." Ah, shows Squire dancing around in a bed with pastel-colored satin sheets and wearing a pink tank top. Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined, and he later fired his managers. He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies, while Squire remains steadfast that the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity. Other commentators are less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain.

• 31:23Joe Rogan?

  I remember it. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, "What the fuck, bro? The fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro? That's just gay, bro." Because Billy Squire was the man. I mean...

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  He could have been another John Mellencamp. He could have been... He could have gone on forever.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 31:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, what the fuck, dude? Eighty-four, one song, one music video?

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Insane. That is really crazy if you think about it.

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing about, we think about like the success of Motley Crue and bands like from your era. The fact that you guys endured for so long, like still to this day. Bro, if I'm working out in the gym and Kickstart My Heart On, I swear to God, I get stronger.

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  Fuck hell! Like, you get pumped, man. That's, that, that song's a drug.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun, how, how rewarding that is to like, sit back and like, I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff.

• 32:34Joe Rogan?

  Dude, we gotta cut it out, but I wanna hear it. Throw Kickstart My Heart On. We'll cut it, we have to cut it out for YouTube, otherwise we'll get docked with the fucking money people come involved. Meanwhile, we're just promoting music, goddammit. With Tommy Lee, you motherfuckers.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 32:49Joe Rogan?

  But this, this fucking here. This fucking song. Oh, is this live? Don't give me the live one. Give me the actual one. Bro, that was one of the most American songs that's ever been made. Ever. Ever. That song is fuel, you know? That, that song is fucking fuel. If you were running in a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones, you're like, "Let's fucking go! Let's fucking go!" You know? Like, songs like that, they really do give you energy. They're, they really are like a drug.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're, they're definitely, uh, they're injected.

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like changes your state, you know?

• 33:25Speaker 03

  I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild, the power that music has? Like, the Reich kinda song, you know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like... It fucking, like, I get fucking goosebumps, bro. If something comes along that just, and it gets inside you.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  It's fucking infectious and all of a sudden you're like, dude, it's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling.

• 33:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Hair's standing up. And you're like, what is that?

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:55Speaker 03

  What the fuck is that? Like, I wanna fucking bottle that up and try to recreate whatever that is.

• 34:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like, it's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have, have ever done. One of the, one of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is to just make incredible music. Because it's one of the things that, it affects us in a way that, like, like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. Like, a great joke is awesome the first time, but after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power the third time, it gets a little boring. A, a great song, I could listen to that, how, sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, oh, I just wanna hear this song, one song, over and over and over again.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Wear the fucker out.

• 34:47Joe Rogan?

  Wear that fucker out, I don't care, it's so good, I don't give a fuck, I, I just wanna feel, let's let's fucking go. And every time it comes back, I'm like, fuck, yeah, and we're back. You know? It's like, it's, it changes the frequency of your actual soul. Like, your body gets moved by it, you feel different.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  You, I wanna ask you a question, cause you're into all this fucking crazy shit. I, I saw somewhere recently, and this just goes along with that feeling, euphoric feeling you get when the, the right notes or frequencies, uh, hit you. Um, I saw that through sound, certain frequencies, like, some dude in China, some doctor in China, or is it Japan, has, is this close to healing fucking cancer through, through sound, through frequency.

• 35:44Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Have you?

• 35:45Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't seen that.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Seen any of this?

• 35:48Joe Rogan?

  I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised.

• 35:50Speaker 03

  I wouldn't either, because, uh, you know, it, it just fascinates me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them, four thirty-two, four hundred thirty-two hertz, you've, you've heard about that stuff?

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  Explain to people so that...

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Well, it's just, um, there's some weird, uh, what do you call it? Conspiracy theories about, originally, our music like Bach, Beethoven, back in those days, was tuned to 432 hertz.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed the tuning, the pitch of music, and now everything was raised to 440 instead of, you know...

• 36:47Joe Rogan?

  432?

• 36:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, instead of 432, now it's at 440. It's up, and it's, and the frequency is more aggressive. And it was, it was said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking, you know, angst and crank this music.

• 37:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were also given a meth.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  Excuse me?

• 37:06Joe Rogan?

  They were also given the meth.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Between meth and Kick Start My Heart, fucking's over.

• 37:11Joe Rogan?

  Imagine the Nazis that Kick Start My Heart? It would've been a real problem.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  Dude, no, no!

• 37:16Joe Rogan?

  Kick Start My Heart in German?

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:18Joe Rogan?

  This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you've thought about trying therapy with our long-term partner, BetterHelp, insurance options may now be available nationwide with an average copay for eligible members of just $23 per session. And with World Mental Health Day on the 10th, now's the perfect time to give it a try. In fact, don't even wait until the 10th, because all that stress you feel, it's not waiting around. So instead of letting it build up, sign up for a therapy session and unload at any time, not just on World Mental Health Day. If you've been waiting to start therapy, BetterHelp works with more than 125 health plan networks, and eligible members have an average copay of just $23 per session with insurance.

• 38:03Joe Rogan?

  Don't have insurance or live outside of the United States? You can still get 10% off your first month. Visit betterhelp.com to explore your pain. ...options that's better H E L P dot com. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Believe it or not, the holiday season is here again, and that means you might need to fill some seasonal roles, fast. Maybe you need extra cashiers or stalkers, or maybe something more unique like a lead elf, or an expert gift wrapper, or a Zamboni driver. Whoever you're looking for, whatever skills you need to power through the rest of the year, ZipRecruiter is one of the best places to start your search.

• 38:45Joe Rogan?

  Because you can try it for free at ziprecruiter dot com slash Rogan. And because ZipRecruiter helps sort through thousands of resumes and applications, showing you the most qualified and interesting ones first. There's even an option for candidates to explain why they want the job. Let ZipRecruiter find the right people for your roles, seasonal or otherwise. Try it for free today at ziprecruiter dot com slash Rogan. That's ziprecruiter dot com slash Rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Oh, my lord.

• 39:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that would have been a real problem.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  I'm just curious, because I know that you're into that kind of stuff. If the, any sound therapy or healing through frequencies, if you've heard any of that stuff.

• 39:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I know people do sound baths.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 39:36Joe Rogan?

  Where, you know, they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and they have someone like that is making sounds.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  There's something to it. But just to think about like what we were saying with Kickstart My Heart. Like, when you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 39:51Joe Rogan?

  It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. So, obviously, sound has a profound effect on the human body. And it's not just like you, there's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound, it's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like, there's a lot of, there's a lot going on. The voice of the singer, you know, the visuals of everybody fucking rocking out on stage.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 40:13Joe Rogan?

  That also contributes to it, but the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound. Could provide like therapeutic therapeutic benefits to like people that are injured, that are healing sickness. I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery. But you're listening to some dope music. Wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room like, ah.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're inputting something.

• 40:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Something nice.

• 40:46Joe Rogan?

  Should be a part of your recovery.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 40:49Joe Rogan?

  Getting positive vibes in, getting like things that give you good feeling and good energy.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home if, you know, when you're in the mood to not really listen to music, but hear music, where it's just playing in the background. And I'll, I'll just put, there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever. And there's like high def shots of these just beautiful, you know, bonsai trees, koi ponds. Big Milwaukee bonsai like, and it's just so chill. And with that music and I just, I just put it on and it's kind of on a lot, actually. And I find myself, that's where I go to like. Just like, I don't know.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, puts you in a different state.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Puts me in a different space, you know?

• 41:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  I dig it, man.

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  You got really into bonsai.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 41:47Joe Rogan?

  How did that start?

• 41:49Speaker 03

  All the, all the times that we've gone to Japan, I, every single, every time I went there. I always went to the, to the Japanese gardens of the temples and I would just, I'd walk around and just be like. My jaw on the floor, like I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful and just like, I don't know, it just came over this feeling that every time I went, I came over me and I just, I started studying. Yeah, this is like eight years ago. I was like, I, I, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down, you know, down, down the, down the tube here and figure out what that, what that is and how I can get this, some of this into my life.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  And I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees. And I started, I started and I haven't stopped. And it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into, man. Like, I'll be out there for hours every day. Like, I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on. And I got like a workshop, dude. It's like a, there's like in progress, uh, works on the bench. There's other ones I'm bending. Uh, there's ones that I'm, you know, uh, treating for pests, you know? Um, there's, it's a whole world and wiring everything, training it to where you wanna go.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Pruning, it's just, it, it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I, I just, I just, I don't know, man. I just, I check out.

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  How many years you been doing this now?

• 43:29Speaker 03

  I've been probably eight years now I've been doing it, eight years.

• 43:33Joe Rogan?

  And so is a bonsai tree a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it?

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 43:41Joe Rogan?

  Okay, and then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful, artistic shape?

• 43:45Speaker 03

  Years.

• 43:46Joe Rogan?

  And it's small.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  Yes, it's, you're, you're basically, you keep kinda dwarfing it. And the, and everybody gets this confused. Um, and they just think, uh, bonsai is like, that's the, the tree. Bonsai means tree and pot. That's what that, that means actually. It doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree and pot.

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  How long has the study of bonsai, how long has the practice been around?

• 44:13Speaker 03

  Dude, I, fuck, I have no idea. And you, and you find that other parts of the world, now that you get into it. I mean, there's in Taiwan and China, there are some fucking insane bonsai. And I think it actually originated in China and the Japanese took it and. Altered in ways and did it their, sort of their version, but I think it originated in China if I'm not mistaken.

• 44:39Speaker 06

  Uh, sixth century China and they brought it.

• 44:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Ah, see?

• 44:43Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, bam.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Fuck dude.

• 44:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Fucking Wiki Lee over here.

• 44:49Joe Rogan?

  So, don't you have a tree that's three hundred years old?

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Yes, I do. Over three hundred.

• 44:54Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  I have, I have, I have two of them that are over three hundred years old.

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  So, someone was working on them over three hundred years ago?

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Well, it, uh, either that or it was collected maybe a hundred years ago and then over that time it's just constantly been, you know, cut back and cut back. Like what you'll do-

• 45:15Joe Rogan?

  But it's a part of a tree that's three hundred years ago?

• 45:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's still, it's the same tree.

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  But it's just, it's never been, it's, it's always getting its roots cut.

• 45:26Joe Rogan?

  Is that it? Is that your tree? The three hundred year old tree?

• 45:28Speaker 03

  No, no, no. That's just a, that's just a, a small juniper that I have.

• 45:34Joe Rogan?

  It's beautiful.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  The three hundred year old one is a, is a redwood. It's fucking, the trunk on it's like this and it's smashed into a pot about this big.

• 45:45Joe Rogan?

  That seems rude.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  It's about-

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  For a redwood, that seems rude. Cause if you go to like Northern California and you go to the redwood forest?

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking spectacular.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:56Joe Rogan?

  Those things are wild.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Insane.

• 45:58Joe Rogan?

  That redwood forest is so incredible. There's the one that you drive through.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:03Joe Rogan?

  They cut a hole in it in like the nineteen twenties or whatever. It's really fucked. I can't believe they did that. But the tree's still alive and you drive through the tree. It's so crazy.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that, that one I showed, um, not too long ago in a exhibition.

• 46:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you go to bonsai shows?

• 46:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. Uh, I've done, I've done two so far. I just now, like just this year, uh, entered a couple of trees.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  The rest of the, this, these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know?

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  What a cool hobby.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's fucking rad dude. It really is.

• 46:44Joe Rogan?

  It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 46:49Joe Rogan?

  Like what a great balancing tool. You know?

• 46:53Speaker 03

  I know, man. It's interesting, because a lot of, lot of, you know, my, my peers, musical buddies, like, they're, they're, all of them are super interested. They're like, dude, what, what's up with the bonsai? Like, I, like, they, they're curious. They wanna know.

• 47:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 03

  Because maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years, or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me.

• 47:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  And I think I want some of that. I'm not sure.

• 47:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's something about like a zen garden that you associate with like bonsai and peacefulness and clarity.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 47:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, just peace of mind.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:29Joe Rogan?

  Just clean mind, like your mind is pure. You're like, you're really in the moment, rather than just being a fucking mess ordering Uber Eats.

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's something that, that's very spiritually attractive to people about tho- those practices.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  Yes, and, and tha- and that's it, too. It, it really has a lot to do with sort of the, the, the culture of all of it. Like, when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to, you start to realize that everything that, at least the Japanese, do is with such fucking purpose. Like, you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff until later. I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a zen garden. You'll never find a straight path, ever. I don't care how far you look, you'll never find a straight path going through a zen garden.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  They specifically and strategically curve the path to slow you down. When you get to, when you get, when, soon as you walk into a garden, the number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no straight path. And everything, you don't, nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner. So you're always, even if they're, if you're going across a, a lake or a pond, there's never a straight, very rarely a straight bridge. It's either arced or the bridge zigzags across.

• 49:13Speaker 03

  There's never a straight line and what that's how that's what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each corner. And look out and just take take it in and fucking be present.

• 49:24Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  And that's to me, it's like, that's the deeper meaning of all this for me. It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kinda.

• 49:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 49:37Speaker 03

  All the time, so you know, that it's just. I get, I don't know how to explain it sometimes, it's hard to explain that state, but that's what I, that's what I get from it and every day it's the best way to start. Start your day, man, it can only get fucking amazing after that because you're you kind of set yourself up for. Having a fucking super rad day like, I do know what I mean like.

• 50:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Like I'm good, let's go.

• 50:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those zen gardens that's so attractive to people.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:13Joe Rogan?

  It's obvious there's something going on with that design, with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together. It's very exciting to people.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  And you see it, man, I don't know if you've noticed, you had to notice, you see it in a lot of the like newer architecture. Lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese flavor. That is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum or this or that.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's more, it's more peaceful, like in the actual design itself versus like some house with big giant ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere and like, oh.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:02Joe Rogan?

  Slow down.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, and I've had that, I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views and. I mean, the view is just kind of a view, doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having a, you know, a beautiful winding sanctuary to.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  To to to cruise through. You know.

• 51:23Joe Rogan?

  I think nature is very therapeutic and if you can put nature in an artistic form like a Zen garden. It's very therapeutic. But that's a way better view. The view of nature is a way, always a way, but look. You, whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle and you'll see all the buildings like wow, this is crazy in the center of it. This is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there.

• 51:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, right, right.

• 51:46Joe Rogan?

  I like to visit. I don't think it's good for me at least. I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees. I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know, it's funny dude, I tell people, I think, I think I was a fucking tree like in a past life because. I'm, I'm, I'm like, maybe you were a tree too. I'm like you, like, I don't know if you're like this gnarly about it, but. Every time I go into a city, the first thing I look at is the trees. Like, whether it's a big city, wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings. I don't look, you know, up and or down. I'm, I'm always like looking for the tree. And it's, it's just, I don't know, man.

• 52:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, human beings are very connected to plants. We're very connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  Have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and like from the window you look out, you see the whole park like straight like. This is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big and it's, it's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around. Like, hey, get the fuck out of these buildings for a while. And it's like, for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center. Is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all. It would make them all better. They'd all feel better.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  It's a little center retreat, man.

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow, an amazing one. It's fucking huge. Like, how many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm gonna guess, a thousand acres?

• 53:39Joe Rogan?

  If I had to guess, maybe 2,000 acres, how big is it?

• 53:44Joe Rogan?

  843 acres. So it's this amazing huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world. And you see all these giant crazy fucking buildings and then none of them in the center. It's beautiful.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  Fucking props to that, those people or whoever that didn't sell that space.

• 54:04Joe Rogan?

  How many fucking vampires are trying to take over that and put a big shitty ass building in the middle of it? We don't need 800 acres, 500 acres is plenty, plenty, plenty, plenty. We'll just make those 500 acres even better and no one's gonna complain.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, hats off to whoever.

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  Whatever we're gonna do.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  Whoever like held that down.

• 54:24Joe Rogan?

  I know. They've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with Ari Shaffir, Shane Gillis and Mark Norman is protect our parks.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 54:33Joe Rogan?

  But we're not really protecting parks, we're just getting drunk and talking shit. But it's called protect our parks because Ari on one of the early episodes was ranting and raving about they're gonna fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings and they wound up doing it. They killed the park.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 54:49Joe Rogan?

  Vampires. They just wanna suck out all the trees.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

  Make money, these dirty bitches.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Oh, man, pretty soon everybody's gonna have no place to go, man.

• 54:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I think Central Park is safe and that's the greatest park in the world.

• 55:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:03Joe Rogan?

  It really is, the greatest park in any city in the world.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  It's so crazy you mention that because on the way here I was flicking through Instagram and I saw

• 55:12Speaker 03

  sorry that this happened. Um, some dude got killed. That one of the horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing? Just fucking launched and you see the dude, the horse flips the cart.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  And the dude gets flung out and then he dies. He died on the way to the hospital.

• 55:33Joe Rogan?

  Why did the horse freak out? Do we know what happened?

• 55:37Speaker 03

  I don't, it didn't show it. It just showed like, somebody else's had footage of it, like just the horse freaking out.

• 55:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh shit.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  And then peeling out and you'd see the thing flip over and you're like, oh man dude.

• 55:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, I love horses and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked. I get that people think it's romantic to ride in the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not right.

• 56:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 56:03Joe Rogan?

  A horse is supposed to be in the fucking fields and the mountains. A horse is supposed to be running around and eating grass.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  Clicking around on the asphalt. I don't know dude.

• 56:10Joe Rogan?

  Fuck all that. I don't like it. It's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. You know, I know cops like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit, which is kinda crazy. But the, the reality is a horse is not supposed to be there. Just like a cow's not supposed to be there. If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why the fuck is this cow here?

• 56:30Speaker 06

  This was likely an accident because the, the driver, yeah, the driver, I guess they call him, wasn't

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude.

• 56:37Speaker 06

  In the right spot, like left his seat.

• 56:39Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 56:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:40Joe Rogan?

  He left his seat?

• 56:41Speaker 06

  They're never supposed to leave their seats. It says to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage and when the family was climbing back in, horse got spooked.

• 56:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 56:49Speaker 06

  It happened very fast, but.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it dude. It just peels out.

• 56:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh fuck man.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  And you see it just go and just made a, make kind of a hard right and the buggy just, ugh, fuck. Flips over and.

• 57:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't fuck with horses, man.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Yeah dude.

• 57:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't ride them. I have, I've ridden a horse before. I don't like it.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Dude, I've, Sam here have done it. I got my ass thrown off on.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  And I was like, I'm good. I'm cool.

• 57:19Joe Rogan?

  It's just not good. It's just, I mean, look. If you're a cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you're doing it every day, that's a different thing. But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride them. I get it.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  For entertainment purposes?

• 57:34Joe Rogan?

  It's like, I went to Thailand and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants. And the elephants don't mind, because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugarcane, and you know, you pet them and you hang out with them. And then they decide whether or not you're cool. And if you give them like, peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up. And they lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back. And they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. I could have just hung out with them. That'd been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them.

• 58:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:04Joe Rogan?

  Like king chimp. Oh, king chimp on the big ass fucking elephant. Look at me. You know, it's very weird.

• 58:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. But, you know, people like it. And they're beautiful animals.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, they're beautiful.

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't need to ride animals. I get it. People like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:24Joe Rogan?

  I'd rather look at them.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  I'm with you.

• 58:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses, like, they're bonded to that animal like no other animal.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I, I, I know a few that are just like horse whisperer kind of shit, like where you're like, whoa, this is, this is some next level love.

• 58:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they do a lot of, there's, there's a therapy with that, too. They do equine therapy for a lot of people.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  I did that one time.

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  Did you?

• 58:54Speaker 03

  At, at a rehab. They took us to have like a couple of days with, just with horses. And it was cool, man. I get it.

• 59:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, again, it's like, just like the trees and the forest. It's like something peaceful about horses.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, mostly, most of the time, especially if they're broken, they're pretty chill. They just want to hang out.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:14Joe Rogan?

  You can go up and pet them and they like it. And it's like, wow. Like, oh.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:20Joe Rogan?

  Puts you in check.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Their big ass teeth freak me out. When you're feeding them, you're like, you don't want to get your fingers in there, dude.

• 59:26Joe Rogan?

  People have been bitten by them, too.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Chompers.

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  If you're, someone's a dick, you get a horse annoyed and they bite you, like, bro.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  Oh, dude.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  That's got to fucking.

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine? All that jaw power?

• 59:38Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  The size of their fucking head.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:41Joe Rogan?

  Ah, just clamping down on your hand. Fuck you. I want a carrot, bitch. Give me the fucking carrot.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  That's so rad, you can smoke in here.

• 59:54Joe Rogan?

  Yes, you can. Yeah, I smoke cigars.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 59:59Joe Rogan?

  I'll fire it up with you.

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 1:00:04Joe Rogan?

  How long you been smoking?

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  God, forever.

• 1:00:08Joe Rogan?

  You ever tried to quit?

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  I have, and I quit for, ah, this is a few years ago, I quit for like, fuck. I almost made it a year, and then I was like...

• 1:00:24Joe Rogan?

  God, I feel like after a few months, you're out of the woods.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, it, I don't know, it just didn't, it didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  What brought you back?

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  You know what?

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Probably because I was drinking at the time, like, they kind of go hand in hand. If you're having a cocktail or a beer or whatever, you're having a smoke, chances, chances are.

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  And, I don't know, man, I was just, you're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like, where's the cigarette? It's just, I don't know, it's like rock and roll, like, they just go together for some reason, so, I failed.

• 1:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, why did, why did you quit originally? What was the, was the thought behind it?

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything, you know, you're just like, ah, that's it, fuck everything, I'm just gonna take a break and fucking hit the reset button on everything. I think I was going through that phase, because I hadn't ever tried that.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  Tried everything else, but nothing.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  And yeah, I don't know, man.

• 1:01:36Joe Rogan?

  It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then you, and you got, and then, you know, you got guys like Keith Richards, who's just ripping cigarettes still, and I'm like, he's fine.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  And like, I, I've gotten, I've gotten my fucking, my lungs and done the whole like, prenuvo, like body scan to see all your shit, and they're like, you're good. I'm like, are you sure? Wait, let me see the, like, you know, the paperwork. Is it just a different Lee, is there a different guy, like, because that's fucking impossible. They're like, you're good. I was like, alright, so that there's really no reason to quit.

• 1:02:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a, it's actually a very small percentage of people. Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer, uh, the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  But more cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:02:53Joe Rogan?

  So if you like, let's, let's find the numbers, put it into perplexity, please.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Let's, uh, what percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? And I think it's less than five percent. I think it's a very small number. And then you gotta think, people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking two, three packs a day?

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, that, that's crazy. I don't.

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant, they only smoke like a half a pack.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Or a little bit less.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, so what does it say, Jamie?

• 1:03:28Joe Rogan?

  It's still calculating?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  No, I was just typing it, sorry.

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  And isn't there something about like nicotine, like when COVID happened? They were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. And I never got fucking COVID.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  And I was like, yay nicotine!

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes, it's supposed to be like really good to prevent COVID. And it, it's really confusing to people.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  So crazy.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, uh, ten to twenty percent of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer. With many studies landing about fifteen percent. Ah, I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that fifteen out of a hundred current smokers will get lung cancer over the, but that's estimated from a study. Hmm, another analysis found roughly one in seven current smokers develop blood cancer.

• 1:04:13Joe Rogan?

  People who never smoke have a one to two percent chance or a lifetime risk of lung cancer. Yeah, people who never smoke. Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer. But smoking still causes about eighty to nine percent of the lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look up. Um, there was some sort of a study that's connecting people that live in Europe that have high polyphenol diets. Like, so they have like, they, they use a lot of olive oil.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:44Joe Rogan?

  And olive oil seems to protect, and it's a very controversial statement because people think, oh my god, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes, I just think they're just looking at data. That these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes. Or not have nearly as many problems.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which makes sense, because olive oil is so good for you. You gotta think it's gotta balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it makes sense that it would apply to smoking as well.

• 1:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Totally.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, yeah, I heard that, that's cool.

• 1:05:18Joe Rogan?

  So, smoke them if you got them.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Fucking a, dude.

• 1:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Get some extra virgin olive oil, let's fucking go.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Dip them.

• 1:05:25Joe Rogan?

  Dip them like sherm. Have you ever tried sherm?

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, a long time ago.

• 1:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Did you? Whoa.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, fucking high school days, man.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets, but still, uh, but smoke, still face the full, very high health risks of smoking. Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly improve overall risk markers. But, uh, there was an article that I had read that they were connecting it. They were talking about Europeans, yeah, here it is. Especially Mediterranean-rich, uh, plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, tea, olive oil, and wine. Polyphenol intake is linked to more, to, uh, better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long-term heart disease risk and overall, overall mortality in observational studies.

• 1:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Because that's the other thing about cigarettes, it's not just cancer, it's also heart disease. And so, polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects. But current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:06:35Joe Rogan?

  Haters.

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  You have to have some vice is most of the people I know that are alcoholics and on them say fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47Joe Rogan?

  Big percentage of them.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  Ripping cigarettes.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because it gets you a little high.

• 1:06:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:51Joe Rogan?

  But it's like a very manageable high.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  Like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm alright.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just like a little lightheaded.

• 1:06:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But also like good for cognitive function, you know?

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:07:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, you know Pink Floyd, when they wrote the wall, they were high as fuck on cigarettes. Those guys smoked cigarettes all day long.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, those dudes smoked a ton of cigarettes.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  Get out of here.

• 1:07:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  Oh, is that coffee dude? Yeah, get in there, dog. Fuck, yeah. Thank you, bro. My pleasure. Yeah.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Tony Hitchcliff told me that and he's a giant cigarette fan. Um, Stephen King said that too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  Oh, whoa.

• 1:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he said his synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore.

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:07:34Joe Rogan?

  It's like that was one of the things that I really noticed when I quit smoking.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 1:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't that make sense, though?

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  It, it, yeah, it does. I remember, um, quitting for a short time there. I, I remember everything tasting better.

• 1:07:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  Oh, shit. Yeah, like everything just ta- tasted better.

• 1:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:07:55Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  It's pounding the cigarette immediately, following every single meal or drink.

• 1:08:00Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta numb the inside of your mouth in some way or dull your senses.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  So- something.

• 1:08:05Joe Rogan?

  You're caking it with smoke.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Clog up the old taste receptors.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  I think there's, there's some benefit to it.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, hopefully.

• 1:08:22Joe Rogan?

  No, I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many, like, super creative people and a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors use tobacco.

• 1:08:32Speaker 06

  David Gomer says he never smoked cigarettes.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  David Gilmour, but didn't Roger Waters?

• 1:08:39Speaker 06

  This is this thing goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their marijuana and how she's smoking.

• 1:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh. So is Tony Hinchcliffe spreading misinformation and here I am repeating it?

• 1:08:50Speaker 06

  Uh, he might have, they, he could have been told though.

• 1:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm sure he was told. Well, Roger, we all did hang out with Roger that one night. That was pretty dope. We got to see Roger Waters live and we, he came on the podcast, we hung out and then we went to see his concert. It was insane.

• 1:09:05Speaker 03

  Oh, I bet it was fucking rad.

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  He is another legend with still like full power on stage. It's incredible.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  That's the best.

• 1:09:12Joe Rogan?

  The show was amazing and it's like he has these enormous screens behind him. So the show is like, it's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, and his is so politically loaded. So it's, you know, you see all this crazy shit like while he's singing these songs, like when they're playing the wall, it's like, fuck.

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember seeing one of those tours, I think maybe it was, I don't know, where, but the wall is slowly building over the whole set. It's fucking crazy.

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  And when we went to see him, Ari was high as fuck on acid and he's crying in the middle of the show. He's crying like a bitch. It was fucking phenomenal.

• 1:09:51Speaker 03

  Oh my God, dude, I don't know if I could handle that.

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know either.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  Jesus.

• 1:09:58Joe Rogan?

  Like get the fuck out of here with the acid. We're just gonna go see the concert. I'm not doing that.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude, fuck, around all those people, I'd probably, I don't know if that'd be a good one.

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Probably not a good one, but Ari's a experienced passenger. You know what I mean? He can ride some waves.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Good boy.

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  He can ride some waves without throwing up.

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever look back and just say, God, it's a, a wonder I'm still alive?

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Dude, I told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. I really do.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  That like, I shouldn't technically be here.

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  And maybe you shouldn't, I don't know, who knows? We all got our, our thing, but, oh man, I'm really lucky to be here. And I think it's because I want to be here, like. You know what I mean? Like, I wanna be here, like, I wanna fucking see. I'm kinda pissed because I feel like we're not even close to where we should be. I mean, the year 2000, I'm, where's my fucking spaceship?

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  You know, like, where is that? There was supposed to be full Jetsons. Bro, they're extremely late, or it's never gonna happen.

• 1:11:17Joe Rogan?

  I think there's a real problem with people flying around.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  They lied.

• 1:11:21Joe Rogan?

  The people, the problem with people flying around is you gotta catch them.

• 1:11:26Joe Rogan?

  Whereas, if they're on the street, just close off the street, and then you catch them.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 1:11:32Joe Rogan?

  If people are flying around, like, if someone robs a bank and they go

• 1:11:37Joe Rogan?

  and they just go off, like, no, no, no, no, you can't have that for everybody. You gotta have people corralled in nice, like, very clean lines. We can block these lines off, very obvious paths.

• 1:11:51Speaker 03

  Use lights to start and stop.

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Fly over them in helicopters, put a spotlight down on them, so you follow them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the Jetson. Like, that's not.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Fuck, I want that, dude, I want my own little fucking.

• 1:12:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, they do have flying cars now.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  I saw some of those, there's a couple, there's like a, one company called Jet One. It's like this little, looks like a little, it's like a one-man drone. Four helicopters, I'm like, me and my manager were always like, should we go fucking get a couple of these?

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  You don't wanna die that way.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  Let those things get worked out for a few years.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's probably, it needs a little bit more time for it to be soup, but.

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, because, I mean, think about like, how glitchy early cellphones were. You know what I mean? Let that shit get ironed out. Let the eggheads work on that for a little bit, polish it up nice. Fix all the bugs.

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Joe Rogan?

  It's like, I don't know what happens when those things crash, like, do you get a warning when they're about to die? Like, do you, do they run out of batteries, does it run out of gas? Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an asshole and just fly until you run out of gas and, and die?

• 1:13:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Or?

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  Solar charging takeover.

• 1:13:03Joe Rogan?

  I think I can make it home. Like, how many guys have done that in their cars? I think I can make it home. When I was in high school, my friend picked me up in his buddy's 1970 Chevels. Fucking amazing Chevelle, so dope. And I remember he ran out of gas and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station.

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  No way, yeah.

• 1:13:21Joe Rogan?

  It was like, we shut the car, we got out, like, that was amazing. Cause you know, we're 16, it ran out of gas at the pump. I was like, this is perfect.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  No pushing, no nothing, just.

• 1:13:33Joe Rogan?

  But if you're in one of them little drones and that shit goes, goes on E.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it's fucking.

• 1:13:44Speaker 03

  Parts.

• 1:13:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, not good, not good.

• 1:13:47Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane? He stole a plane, he was like, working at an airport and he stole a plane and hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it and died.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:14:00Joe Rogan?

  But he's like having conversations with them.

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's talking to him going like, I don't know what I'm doing, man, but you know, this one's for the, I don't know.

• 1:14:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  He's just, and they were just like, fuck it, run it, dude.

• 1:14:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were trying to get him to land it, but they were trying to get him to land it, but the reality was, like, he's, no way he was gonna figure out how to land that thing. He's a dead man. The moment he got off the ground, he's a dead man.

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:22Joe Rogan?

  And he just stole a plane. And there's a whole documentary about it. It's apparently very interesting. This episode is brought to you by Chime. And I know people don't usually get excited about banking, but Chime is doing something different and it's worth paying attention to. In a recent survey, they ranked the number one choice for new checking accounts in America. That means real people, millions of them, are choosing this over traditional banks. That's because banking at Chime is fee-free. No monthly fees, no overdraft fees, and thousands of fee-free ATMs. But here's the real kicker. If you get their Chime card, it gives you 5% cash back on a category you actually pick yourself. Your savings rate, crazy high, it's nine times the national average.

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  They're calling it the most rewarding way to bank. Go to chime.com/rogan. Takes a few minutes to sign up. Chime is a fintech, not a bank. Banking services and Chime card, provided by Chime's Bank Partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for more details.

• 1:15:28Joe Rogan?

  Part of living a healthier lifestyle means being extra careful of what you put into your body. AG1 Pro gets that. Their formula was carefully crafted with vitamins, probiotics, and superfoods your body needs, plus enhanced support for your workout and recovery, including creatine. In fact, AG1 Pro contains 5 grams of Creovitalis, high-quality, German-made creatine monohydrate, and that matters. This Creovitalis is made in Germany under tight quality control and is 99.9% pure. So you're not getting some cheap version cut with fillers. If you want a high-quality supplement made with the right stuff, AG1 Pro is a no-brainer.

• 1:16:11Joe Rogan?

  Go to drinkag1.com/joe for a limited time. Get a free immune support bundle, including a bottle of Omega 3 Fish Oil and Vitamin D tossed in with your first subscription order of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro, backed by a 90-day money-back guarantee. That's drinkag1.com/joe.

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. I have not seen the documentary, but I've seen clips of them trying to talk him, talk him down, and he just seemed like he wasn't, that wasn't an option. He just seemed like this-

• 1:16:48Joe Rogan?

  He was ready to wrap it up.

• 1:16:49Speaker 03

  He was taking this, this was this, that, that, that one flight.

• 1:16:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, ready to wrap it up.

• 1:16:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Joe Rogan?

  Hope your insurance covers this.

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Fuck. But, yeah, I think flying cars will probably be a thing one day. For 70 minutes, the world watched in disbelief as a stolen Horizon airplane soared over Puget Sound for crashing on a remote island. Now, a new Hulu documentary reveals the man behind the controls and the quiet struggle that led him there.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Oh, I gotta watch this. What's it called?

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Sky King.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  It's what?

• 1:17:21Joe Rogan?

  Sky King, it's called.

• 1:17:22Speaker 03

  Sky King.

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Poor dude.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  Oh, damn. Well, at least they gave him a rad title.

• 1:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well.

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:34Joe Rogan?

  People are very stupid.

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  Dude, people are stupid. I just released a song called Stupid World a couple of weeks ago. And that's exactly what that's about. It's literally, we have gotten to a place where everything to me, like, we are at, just epic stupid proportions, where you're just like, not a day goes by where I'm like, "That's fucking ridiculous. That's stupid." Like, how stu- like, how stupid can we get? Anyway, I wrote this track. It's called Stupid World.

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

  You live in LA, which is one of the stupidest fucking places on earth.

• 1:18:11Speaker 03

  Dude, I know. It's fucking insane. I'm like, and I'm doing the same thing too, like, "Why do I live here? I mean, I love, I love it there, but in the same..."

• 1:18:21Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  There's always, in the back of my head, is, "Why?"

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  Look, it's the mo- one of the most beautiful places on earth. The weather's perfect.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Most of the people are very friendly. Most of the people are cool. You know, it's like, it's only a percentage of the people that are, that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The most, the majority of the people are cool. The problem is, it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit. It's like slowly, the, the film business is like dried up.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, completely dried up. Television, completely dried up. Late night TV, it's, it's dried up, man. And that, and that was fueling a giant part of like what made LA special.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:19:03Joe Rogan?

  And it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore, and they make it intolerable. They make you seem like you have to be there, so they just punish you with taxes, and they punish you with regulations, they punish you, they make it, everything very difficult to conduct business, very difficult to be safe, very difficult to just feel fucking normal.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  And they get surprised when people leave. Like, what do you want?

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  What do you think you're doing to that place? Like, you guys can see the statistics. Stop fucking gaslighting the world.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  You guys fucked this place sideways and you'd wanna keep doing it.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know, you hear and you see, "Oh, man, fuck, a bunch of people are leaving LA." And part of me is like, "Fuck, yes. Get the fuck out of here. There's too many people here. So, go." But then I realize, nothing's really changed and I don't really notice that people have left. Traffic's still the same, a bunch of shit's exactly the same and you tell me this many people left? I don't see it.

• 1:20:09Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  And I wonder if that's not, not maybe a, I don't know, a hyped statistic.

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis. No, like the numbers are real, people have left LA, but it doesn't matter. You could lose five billion people and LA's still too big. The traffic's bananas.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  Dude, it's fucking, it's retarded, yeah.

• 1:20:30Joe Rogan?

  It's bananas.

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:32Joe Rogan?

  If you wanna go to Orange County at four o'clock, or shoot yourself, like it's a real, that's a real decision. Drive to Orange County at four o'clock in the afternoon, you're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, and don't even think about hitting the 405.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  At all, like.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  No. No, you're gonna have to go some sideways.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have to go some, you're gonna have to use Waze.

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  And I've.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  And even then, you're fucked. Even then, it's an hour and a half. If you live in like Irvine and you commute to LA, good, God bless you.

• 1:21:02Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 1:21:03Joe Rogan?

  God bless you.

• 1:21:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  How do you do it?

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:21:06Joe Rogan?

  People do it every day. They just wanna live in a place like Irvine, real safe, real nice.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:11Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, but I gotta work in LA, fuck it, I'll just drive in every day.

• 1:21:14Speaker 03

  Just fucking, just all fucking mad and just.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  I would get up at five in the morning and just go to the gym. That's what I would do. I'd get up five in the morning, drive to LA, I'd get a membership in LA at the gym. That way I'm driving with no traffic, at least one way. At least getting there, I have no traffic.

• 1:21:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:30Joe Rogan?

  And then you deal with the home commute. Doing it to both, to and from.

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you. Fuck you. I'm not doing that.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  It's too gnarly.

• 1:21:39Joe Rogan?

  I'd rather get up at five in the morning. I, I, I would, I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day, minimum, in their car. And they, they really live 20 minutes away. If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes.

• 1:21:55Speaker 03

  Man, that's, that's, that's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time. And you, you realize that kinda time, you're.

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Wasting.

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  Wasting, and you're never gonna get back, and you're like, if I do this consecut- consecutively every single day. I wonder what, add that time up over, you know, whatever.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  However, many years and I'll bet you people would freak the fuck out.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you lost years of your life.

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  I just lost years of my life in the fucking car.

• 1:22:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the good thing is, one thing that you can do in the car is listen to books on tape.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Joe Rogan?

  And books on tape are amazing and you know, podcasts too for some people.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  But for me, it's a lot of it is books on tape because like you'll get lost in a book and it doesn't even really bother you that much. And the one of the crazy, if you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto driving. So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go doot doot. I just turn it on and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to stop at red lights. It does everything.

• 1:23:10Speaker 03

  Destressed.

• 1:23:11Joe Rogan?

  And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel, just like this.

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  Oh, to make it look like you're awake.

• 1:23:17Joe Rogan?

  Stay in contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road, but you don't have to think at all. You know, you can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know. What happens if you just go to sleep?

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  I think it shuts down after a second or starts to.

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Recognizes that you're doing that and shuts down. But the reality is like that as a stress decoupler, there's nothing like it.

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  Oh, man, the best.

• 1:23:38Joe Rogan?

  You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half instead of like constantly hitting the brake, constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the brakes. Now you're just chilling and you can get just like, listen to your book on bonsai.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, that is, that is nice, man. I don't know about you, but like if I start like, you know, you start reading a book. Just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading, they get tired. So you get more in listening to it, an auditory version of it rather than for me at least. Sort of, sort of eye stressing on reading and doing all that. I get tired and then fucking lose interest.

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, that's, there's definitely something to that. Well, reading always makes me wanna go to sleep.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  Especially a reading at night helps me fall asleep.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  But there's a, there's also something about reading in your head. Because you create the voices and you create everything, like you use your imagination when you're just reading. That doesn't exist with books on tape.

• 1:24:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  But with, with audiobooks, I don't have the time. So for me, it's a time thing.

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Like if I have a guest coming on, the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something. Like I need to absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time. So I listen to audiobooks in the gym. I listen to audiobooks in the sauna, and I listen to it in the car on the way to work. And so that all together

• 1:25:04Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  is a couple hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read. I just, I don't. I wish I did, I don't.

• 1:25:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:17Joe Rogan?

  So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening.

• 1:25:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing. Cause especially at the gym, you can get a little, just distracted. And you're like, what the fuck did he just say? And you have to back it up. And when that happens, I generally, I just shut it off. I'm like, this workout's too intense. I can't really pay attention.

• 1:25:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're gonna, yeah, what do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it?

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:43Speaker 03

  People, people, people think they're multitasking.

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  That doesn't fucking exist. You really, yeah, whatever.

• 1:25:51Joe Rogan?

  You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  Thank you very much.

• 1:25:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing. And it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things. And if one of them is very simple and it's like, it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:26:09Joe Rogan?

  But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing. You're robbing attention from these things. Yeah.

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, I've always found that like my best workouts are in silence. It's like you don't, it's so hard to work out, like you really need to only be thinking about what you're doing.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Joe Rogan?

  And if you add in a bunch of stuff, except music. Music is always fuel for workout, that's different.

• 1:26:32Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Books, it's like music, you can listen and then stop listening, you could do it, be in the middle of the set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics, it just keeps, just gives you some energy in the air.

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Joe Rogan?

  Music is the ultimate companion for working out.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

• 1:26:47Joe Rogan?

  So much so that David Goggins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating.

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  He goes, it's cheating, you know, because he's just a complete, total psycho.

• 1:26:55Speaker 03

  Is that that like, uh, is that that like, uh?

• 1:26:59Joe Rogan?

  Ultra marathon guy, yeah.

• 1:27:01Speaker 03

  Okay, I thought it was the live forever guy, the?

• 1:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no, that's Brian Johnson, that's the guy who like has his son's blood injected into him.

• 1:27:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, that dude, I'm sorry, I'm confusing this.

• 1:27:10Joe Rogan?

  David Goggins is a totally different guy, he's the Navy SEAL who, uh, run, I think, how many ultra marathons did he run in a month? Something insane. He runs hundred mile races and he's, he's like an insane fitness freak.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:27:26Joe Rogan?

  And when he works out, he has, he's, these workouts where like famously he'll take like professional fighters and they work out with them and they can't keep up and they're just throwing up and they just can't, can't believe how much this guy works, and he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time and they can't keep up.

• 1:27:39Speaker 03

  Geez.

• 1:27:40Joe Rogan?

  He finished eight one hundred mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends. So he ran eight hundred miles in eight weekends.

• 1:27:52Joe Rogan?

  He's a nut.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  And he does like, he'll, he'll be like at home and just decide, uh, I'm gonna do a sixty mile ruck right now. And just like throws on a backpack, gets outside and starts rucking. And they'll just do sixty miles and so he'll go out there for hours and hours, just decides, this is what I'm gonna do and I'm not stopping till I'm done and he does it all the time.

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  He's in insane shape and he's fifty.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:28:16Joe Rogan?

  He's in insane, he also has no knees, his knees are completely destroyed.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  All from pounding on?

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  They're bone on bone, he's had a ton of operations, doesn't care, keeps going, on, on bone on bone. Like, but it's just a maniac. He's a complete and total maniac, but he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  But that just shows you, I like to cheat. I like to use that music. I like to cheat. I need to cheat to get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it myself, maybe, but why would I? When I go

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, give me that fucking, give me that fucking music.

• 1:28:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, man.

• 1:28:56Joe Rogan?

  If it's cheating, I'm gonna cheat at that.

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's not cheating.

• 1:29:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't think of it as cheating.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  That's called inspiration.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it's an awesome supplement. That's what I call it.

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  But for him, it's all about mental strength. And so he considers it cheating to use that mental strength. Like to, you, you, your mental strength should be right from your brain. He goes, you can't always count on that music. The music's not always gonna be there. Like, okay. I guess so.

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  He kinda has a, I, I get it.

• 1:29:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:23Speaker 03

  Do what you're doing.

• 1:29:24Joe Rogan?

  For what he does, he kinda has a point.

• 1:29:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could see that. He's, he's focusing.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  No, no, no distractions.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm, I'm gaining knowledge. I'm acquiring knowledge.

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  Oh, he must be doing-

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  I believe him. I believe him, cuz he's, he's thinking he's going into the dark realms of his mind, you know?

• 1:29:43Speaker 03

  Whoa, dude.

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  Intense suffering, running hundred mile races eight weekends in a row.

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  He's doing some serious other work.

• 1:29:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  While he's running-

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  That's the real, like, deep introspective work. You wanna find out who you really are? Run eight one hundred mile races in eight weeks.

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself. What the fuck am I doing? No, dude, you got this, you got this. No, dude, you're an idiot. No, bro, fuck yes.

• 1:30:10Joe Rogan?

  I think he probably used to have those conversations. Now it's just, now it's just battling demons. It's all just demons, just crushing down negative thoughts. Crushing down weakness, you know? I know.

• 1:30:23Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, there are, dude. It's pretty crazy out there.

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  And I bet you've met every variety of them.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  Just about. Oh, my god. That's funny. Wow.

• 1:30:37Joe Rogan?

  I know, there's some crazy people in this world.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, there is.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  But we need all of them, you know, we need our Tommy Lees, we need our David Lee Ross, we need our, you know, we need our David Goggins, we need all those people. That's what makes the world beautiful. Is that there are so many different people, you can meet someone, you're like, fuck, I never met a guy like him. That's nuts.

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is, it is wonderful. Isn't it wonderful?

• 1:30:59Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived practically.

• 1:31:03Speaker 03

  Dude, I feel like it. Just about.

• 1:31:09Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you've been famous since what year, like what year did Motley Crue really break out?

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  It's like eighty.

• 1:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Eighty. That's nuts.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:18Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that world was a different place.

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 1:31:23Joe Rogan?

  The world was a different place, no internet.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  No, no cell phones, no.

• 1:31:27Joe Rogan?

  Who was president in nineteen eighty?

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 1:31:31Joe Rogan?

  Was that even Reagan yet?

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  Uh, mm, almost.

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  When did Reagan become president? Yeah, fuck. Reagan was president when I was in high school. Who the fuck? So that was in the eighties. What year, Jamie?

• 1:31:47Speaker 06

  Started in eighty one.

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Eighty one, so nineteen eighty Reagan wasn't even president yet. Fuck, who was president? How to be Jimmy Carter, right?

• 1:31:56Speaker 03

  That sounds right.

• 1:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan? Yeah.

• 1:31:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  So it's Jimmy Carter. And Ronald Reagan.

• 1:32:03Speaker 03

  Whoa, dude.

• 1:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Wow, isn't that nuts?

• 1:32:05Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen eighty. What was that scene like?

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  Bro. That was, still to this day, um, uh, Motley did, uh, we did this movie called The Dirt and it's based on our autobiography. Um, from, you know, certain years from this year to this year. And it, it kinda like, it shows how it fucking was and one of, one of the coolest things ever is when, uh, you know, I'll see, you know, emails from fans or questions from fans and they're like, dude.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  Was it, and these are from like, you know, eighteen year old kids are like, was it really like that? When you guys were rocking shit like that? I was like, one hundred percent. They're like, fuck.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  And they're bummed. They're like, we will never ever get to experience that. Fuck!

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  It's like, it was just full on till the wheels fall off. No,

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  you could get away with fucking murder. Literally, there was no phones and no, this was at a time where anything, anything goes. Pretty much.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  How old were you in nineteen eighty?

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  In nineteen eighty, I was eighteen?

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  Seventeen, eighteen, seventeen?

• 1:33:44Joe Rogan?

  So you're blowing up at eighteen years old. How the fuck did you manage?

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  I know dude.

• 1:33:51Joe Rogan?

  Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like nineteen forty.

• 1:33:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:33:57Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's another world.

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  Even the font from Motley Crue.

• 1:34:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:03Joe Rogan?

  Looks ancient.

• 1:34:04Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:34:06Speaker 03

  God dude.

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  What is that? Does that even seem real when you look at that picture?

• 1:34:12Speaker 03

  Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop.

• 1:34:15Joe Rogan?

  That's dope.

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  See the wrinkles in the fabric? That's what the whiskey, yeah.

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  Too Fast For Love, fucking great song.

• 1:34:21Speaker 03

  And that fucking drum riser, that, that? Right there with the lights in it and stuff?

• 1:34:29Speaker 03

  My dad fucking, and my dad, myself and my drum tech, we built that riser dude. Like it had fucking switches. My dad was a mechanic. And so my dad built, he, you know, he was like, you need a drum riser? Alright, let's go. I mean dude, he would, my dad would have built us a pyro. Fucking he like drilled out these uh or cut cut these big uh uh blocks of wood, ran electrical prongs up through the wood and then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder and we'd be out in my backyard,

• 1:35:13Speaker 03

  dude. And the neighbors would be all of a sudden it's like, "Fire!"

• 1:35:19Speaker 03

  There's these fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard and the neighbors are like, "What the fuck is going on?" And my dad like, he just lo- he loved it. He's like making bombs, lighting rigs, drum risers. And then he would drive me, he would drive me to the gigs and uh in his van with all my shit. Like, I had the best dad fucking ever.

• 1:35:41Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:35:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. And here uh here's a mechanic, okay?

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Look at this fucking setup, bro. This is nuts.

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  Oh dude, right?

• 1:35:48Joe Rogan?

  The hamster wheel?

• 1:35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:51Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy.

• 1:35:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's nuts.

• 1:35:53Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you were doing drums like halfway upside down.

• 1:35:56Speaker 03

  Dude, the thing was gyroscopic. It went around, you know, right to left, uh back to front.

• 1:36:03Joe Rogan?

  What is it like trying to play the drums from that position, though? That's gotta be very weird.

• 1:36:07Speaker 03

  Dude, it is insane. Like, I had to, like, I had to change so many dynamics. Like, think about it. Instead of gravity, uh instead of gravity pulling your hand down, right?

• 1:36:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:36:22Speaker 03

  Now, you've got to push.

• 1:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:25Speaker 03

  You're upside down, so it becomes three times harder physically. And um and also you had to make adjustments. So, um, I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, they're foot pedals for your bass drums, right? Well, and those are chain-driven pedals, footboards. So when you go upside down...

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  They fall. So I had to put springs, I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taut so they would stay up. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:36:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  So I had, and with symbols, they, they, they're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down. So I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off. But we figured it out with the hi hat too, because the hi hat would, you know, the two symbols that

• 1:37:13Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:14Speaker 03

  They would just, if you're upside down, they just, they just go open. They open.

• 1:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:37:20Speaker 03

  So I had to do another spring as well to keep that closed. So I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy shit.

• 1:37:27Joe Rogan?

  Why did you decide to do that? Like, what was, is this something rad?

• 1:37:31Speaker 05

  Traditional banks are making it harder than ever to secure a small business loan. That's why thousands of business owners trust Cardiff for same day funding. With over two decades of expertise, business owners keep voting Cardiff, America's favorite small business lender. Apply now for up to $500,000 in same day business funding at cardiff.co/rogan. Again, that's cardiff.co/rogan. Cardiff, borrow better.

• 1:38:02Joe Rogan?

  This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. I buy one, The Farmer's Dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me. It's human-grade food. The Farmer's Dog makes fresh food for dogs, and my dogs love it. Their recipes are made with real meat and fresh vegetables

• 1:38:45Joe Rogan?

  that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients. They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier and isn't getting more Time with our four-legged best friends, something every dog owner wants? The answer to that is yes, obviously. So, try The Farmer's Dog today and get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food. Plus, get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com/rogan. This offer is for new customers only.

• 1:39:19Speaker 03

  You know what? That all started, um, and it's kind of been my thing throughout history. And every year I do something fucking different and crazier, of course. Everybody's like, "What are you gonna do next year? What are you gonna do next year?"

• 1:39:34Speaker 03

  That's sort of like, that's where it all started. And it really started when I went to go see, it was fucking Pat Travers. Um, do you remember Pat Travers band?

• 1:39:46Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:39:46Speaker 03

  Boom, boom, out go the lights.

• 1:39:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're, anyway, they were cool. And I went to go see them and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer. And this is before Motley. I'm just like, "Whoa, dude." I'm like a fucking kid standing on the chair, "Fuck, yeah." Right? And it's drum solo time. And, and he's badass. And he's ju, he's fucking ripping, dude. Alls you see is sticks flying and hair fucking going. He's shredding. And I'm looking around and I, and I'm watching people go get a beer. People going to pee, going to get a t-shirt, going out to lobby to fucking smoke a joint. What, I don't know, whatever. Everybody's kind of leaving and I'm like, "Where the fuck is everybody going? That guy is murdering the fucking drums right now."

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  And y'all are like, he failed to capture their attention. And from that moment on, I went, "I need to figure out, A, how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there, because people can't see." It's not like a guitar.

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:40:54Speaker 03

  Where you can, you can see, "Oh, there's the, that's the roller coaster." That's the, that's the, that's the crucify, dude.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  That's so dope.

• 1:41:02Speaker 03

  That's the la, the latest one. That thing went from the front all the way to the back of the fucking arena or stadium.

• 1:41:09Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, dude.

• 1:41:10Speaker 03

  And look at, and then it, it starts, it starts twirling as it's going down.

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, you're upside down. That's so sick.

• 1:41:18Speaker 03

  Look at that, dude.

• 1:41:19Joe Rogan?

  That is so sick. The audience must go, "Buh-nanas."

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, at one point, the roller coaster comes down and it's literally almost, they could almost touch you.

• 1:41:29Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:41:30Speaker 03

  Look at that shit, dude. That, I think that is the most-

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  How do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down banging on the drums?

• 1:41:36Speaker 03

  Dude, it is so gnarly. I'm wrecked. It's nine minutes total.

• 1:41:41Joe Rogan?

  Must do a lot for your core, too, right?

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  You're like, "Fucking, hold yourself."

• 1:41:45Speaker 03

  Dude, I'm on the oxygen bottle. When I finish, I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:41:53Speaker 03

  And go back and do it backwards. And by the time I get done, I'm sitting there with the oxygen going

• 1:42:00Speaker 03

  while Mick does a guitar solo. I just need a couple of seconds, because I am fucking done.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  I can imagine, man. It's incredible cardio.

• 1:42:09Speaker 03

  It's insane.

• 1:42:09Joe Rogan?

  It's like shadow boxing for minutes at a time. Hardcore, super fast.

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  You know, I've always admired the physical fitness.

• 1:42:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, just constantly. And you know what that's like, man. After a fucking minute of that, you're like, "Ugh."

• 1:42:23Joe Rogan?

  I know. The physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. Like, if you didn't play drums for like a few years, and then picked it up again and started again, it'd probably take forever to get that endurance back.

• 1:42:33Speaker 03

  Forever, dude.

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  Because it's so, like, when you're going off, dude, you're so fast.

• 1:42:38Speaker 03

  You're going-

• 1:42:39Joe Rogan?

  It's so fast.

• 1:42:42Joe Rogan?

  It's like, everything's fucking moving, you're pounding your feet and everything, like, fuck, man.

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:42:47Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the most athletic things in all of music.

• 1:42:50Speaker 03

  It really is, man. And I had this, I was like, okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high school till today?

• 1:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  And I'm like, "That's fucking weird." And I eat kind of whatever the fuck I want to eat. Like, I don't, there's no, I don't like diet or have some strict, you know, regimented food program. I was like, "I'm gonna fucking, I gotta see." I got one of those, this was years ago, it was like a pedometer. You clip onto your shoe, like joggers would use it to see how to- There was like the old version, you just clipped it on your shoe and it tells you how many miles you did. Like a little tachometer, not a tachometer.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know what you mean.

• 1:43:36Speaker 03

  Pedometer.

• 1:43:37Joe Rogan?

  Pedometer, yeah.

• 1:43:38Speaker 03

  So I'm like, I get one, I clip it on, I'm like, I'm wondering what, how many fucking miles I'm doing after a two hour show. I don't know, fuck, who knows? I know I'm sweaty as fuck and I'm, I'm, after the show, alls I hear is ringing in my ear and I'm fucking.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Wrecked.

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  I'm wrecked, I'm done. And, um, I fucking took it off after the show and I looked down and it said thirteen point three miles. And I was like.

• 1:44:10Speaker 03

  So that's why I don't fucking, that's why I'm just skinny fuck and like, I just, I sweat it out.

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, look at Travis Barker, same deal.

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  Same deal.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, he works out a lot as well, but it's like same deal.

• 1:44:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  It's like incredible amounts of cardio, the amount of, I wonder how many calories you burn in a two hour show, it's gotta be off the charts.

• 1:44:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, that I haven't measured just.

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Because it's not just jogging, it's not like you're running thirteen miles, obviously you're sitting still, but the pounding of the arms.

• 1:44:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the breathing, you know, you gotta fucking control it, yeah, it's like, god.

• 1:44:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, everything's going, man, you're firing on a whole cylinder.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  For sure, the most athletic thing in all of music, for sure, nothing even close, right?

• 1:44:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 1:44:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, playing guitars, you're moving your hands and everything, but it's not, not, not nearly.

• 1:44:57Speaker 03

  Drums are like, it's more like a sport.

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  It really is.

• 1:45:00Speaker 03

  It really is.

• 1:45:01Joe Rogan?

  It really is, like, you don't see a really out of shape drummer.

• 1:45:05Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 1:45:06Joe Rogan?

  It's almost like you can't be to keep up.

• 1:45:08Speaker 03

  No, I know, and everybody's, you're kinda like, you're the fucking heartbeat, man, you're, you're, you're really, everybody's kinda, you know, people say you're, you're only as good, your band's only as good as your drummer, and that's really fucking, it's really true, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer, but drummer has a lot of responsibility, man, everybody, all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving, I'm, I'm responsible for, for a lot of that, and I'm not saying for all of it, but you sort of set the pace, you know, um. And, and you're making people physically move.

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:45:49Speaker 03

  Like, and that, that's, that takes, that takes a lot of work. You know, so the amount of energy you're putting out, you're getting back and you're seeing it and you're like, fuck, I'm driving here.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:00Speaker 03

  And that's, that's a cool place to be, but it is a responsibility and it is physical and it's draining. But, but it's fucking rad. I live for it.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Did you take lessons to learn how to drum or did you learn on your own?

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  Um, I, I didn't really take lessons. I, I, I learned on my own until, I mean, like, kinda early in, in high school, I played in the marching band, but that wasn't really like drums. That was like more like, like a drum corps stuff, like rudiments and like, you know, drum corps shit. It not really the whole kit till later, um, I, I got the school, my high school to let me, or sorry, my grade school to let me borrow the drum, the jazz drum set at the school. And I'd bring it home and then I started just like, listening to my favorite shit and I would just play along.

• 1:46:55Speaker 03

  And so I never really took any physical lessons. I just, it was just in me, man. I was just like, I'm really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay, I got it.

• 1:47:05Joe Rogan?

  Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks? Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way that like, like you're taught? Or did you just figure it out on your own?

• 1:47:11Speaker 03

  Um, just, I just figured it out on my own, just probably just moved on from the, the forks and the spoons.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own.

• 1:47:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:23Joe Rogan?

  Like Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down, left-handed.

• 1:47:28Speaker 03

  He just made it work.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:30Joe Rogan?

  Just figured out how to do it on his own. It's really interesting how, like with, you know, when you just get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of fuck around with it and figure it out.

• 1:47:43Speaker 03

  And then doing it your own way.

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:46Speaker 03

  Of course, and then whoa, then you got your own thing, which is, it's wonderful, man.

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played like you play, or like Travis plays, like some elite drummer plays. It's like drums are so mu- it's like it's so much more powerful now than ever before.

• 1:48:04Speaker 03

  I know, man. And then that thing happens, I don't know if you've ever been around like a drum circle? The more drummers there are, like all of a sudden it just becomes this thing. It grows into this tribal like, dude, everybody's just being moved by rhythm.

• 1:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:23Speaker 03

  And fuck, it's so powerful. It's like, you know, I don't know. That kind of, it's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry playing the piano.

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:35Speaker 03

  Playing the right chords.

• 1:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:37Speaker 03

  I'll watch them cry.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:40Speaker 03

  Right? But yeah, that's fun, man. There's nothing better than rhythm, man. I live for that shit.

• 1:48:47Joe Rogan?

  No, I can tell.

• 1:48:48Speaker 03

  I was getting in trouble all the time, man, in school, because I'd always be like...

• 1:48:54Speaker 03

  Always, always. Can you stop tapping on the tables? Yep, sorry. I'd sit back in the back of class and be like...

• 1:49:05Speaker 03

  Making like water drip noises. Everyone's looking around for a leak. Class clown.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's something about drums that it's like a part of like tribal culture. Like from the beginning of human time, like people pounding on drums.

• 1:49:21Speaker 03

  For war, for...

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship.

• 1:49:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, to keep, make sure everybody keeps pace. It's kind of wild.

• 1:49:31Speaker 03

  Isn't that cool?

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, they knew even back then, there's something about the sound of drums that's important.

• 1:49:42Speaker 03

  The heartbeat.

• 1:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever fuck around with bongos?

• 1:49:45Speaker 03

  Oh, sure. Yeah, those, a lot of handed instruments, bongos, congas. I just, the last couple of years, been playing...

• 1:49:56Speaker 03

  A hand drum, people call them a hang drum, hand drum. You know them, have you seen them? They're like, they look like a fucking flying saucer.

• 1:50:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I have, yeah.

• 1:50:05Speaker 03

  And they're really melodic, really beautiful, zenny sounding instrument. That's cool, cause it's percussive and melodic. So you can come up with these really bitchin', depending on how the instrument's tuned and stuff. But that's been a lot of fun, that, that's cool, like, sort of.

• 1:50:24Speaker 03

  A different kind of rhythm, but it's, it's, it's a soothing one. It's a total opposite of the aggressive shit.

• 1:50:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it must be fun, since you've been playing drums for so long, just experiment with different things.

• 1:50:41Speaker 03

  I love that, man, there's, I'm always searching for a new sound, you know?

• 1:50:50Speaker 03

  A new percussive sound that moves you, makes you fucking, I don't know, that gets inside you.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:58Speaker 03

  I'm always on the hunt, dude, I'm such a tweaker, like, you know, find something that sonically sounds like a drum. It could be a drum, it's not, and I'll make it, I'll turn it into something that sounds like a drum. And all of a sudden, you know, that, you know, I don't know, hitting on these L horns or something, sounds like a wood block, but pitched way, way down, it sound, more sounds like a note going oom, oom. I don't know, like, I'm just, I love, I love percussion and rhythm, so I'm always fucking around trying to find, find something that moves us, you know? That's my job.

• 1:51:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a cool fucking job.

• 1:51:39Speaker 03

  I'm here to move you, man.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  It's a cool fucking job.

• 1:51:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like it, man. It doesn't suck.

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:51:46Speaker 03

  It doesn't suck.

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  No. When, when you're working on a new song, when you're creating a new song, what is your process? Do you, do you have a beat in your head? Do you, do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you? Like, how do you do it?

• 1:52:02Speaker 03

  You know what, it's always different. I wish I could say I had like a. A thing?

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  A process.

• 1:52:07Speaker 03

  I really don't, man, like, you know, it'll be uh, something that happened to me or something I'm experiencing will spark a word or a chant, all of a sudden, you know, then that'll, I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh, this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat. This would be great. And then I'll start with a beat and then start, then add guitars. It's never really, there's not really like a format. I just kind of go with what, whatever sort of inspiring me at the time that feel like I need to write about. Um, yeah, there's not really like a, a way. I know a lot of people have a sort of methodical way with like,

• 1:52:50Speaker 03

  well, I start with the lyric first, always the lyric first. Nothing else is important. Okay, dude. Why don't we get, why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words? Actually, no one's gonna even-

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  Spoken like a true drummer.

• 1:53:06Speaker 03

  No one's gonna even get to these fucking words if you can't get them to stay listening.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:53:13Speaker 03

  Or to move. They're like, oh, this is nice.

• 1:53:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:15Speaker 03

  Isn't that the like, isn't that the key moment when you're like, ooh, this is cool? Before you've even heard a lyric or a melody. That's, that's kind of my, like, my priority is like, is it moving me?

• 1:53:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:31Speaker 03

  Okay, let's go.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway.

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  Y- yes.

• 1:53:37Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize.

• 1:53:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better.

• 1:53:45Speaker 03

  It's gonna give you-

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  Freeze you up more.

• 1:53:46Speaker 03

  Different results, right?

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:48Speaker 03

  Instead of being, okay, well, it's gonna start to sound the same.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:51Speaker 03

  If you keep using the same method.

• 1:53:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. When you write, do you write down on paper or do you just, yeah?

• 1:53:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, paper. No.

• 1:54:02Joe Rogan?

  Do you, you ever write on computer or do you ever like just write in your own head? You ever just like-

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  I use the computer a lot too. Um, a lot for, excuse me, for demos. That's a really quick way to, you know, where I can, I can present a song to the band where, you know, fuck, I play guitar, sing, drums, bass. So I'll, I'll bring in demos that-

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  Totally created by you.

• 1:54:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it just sounds, they sound finished, you know, it's like, okay. And then, you know, and we'll go from there. So, yeah, I, I always try to like,

• 1:54:36Speaker 03

  you know, not, not finish everything entirely because, you know, when you're in a band with three other guys who also create, kind of leave it open for that, but,

• 1:54:47Speaker 03

  but yeah, I'd use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded. Sort of produce them.

• 1:54:56Joe Rogan?

  It's really beautiful that, you know, Motley Crue hit in 1980, here we are, forty-six years later, and you still love it.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  That's so awesome.

• 1:55:09Speaker 03

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:55:10Joe Rogan?

  That's what everybody wants in this life. Something that they're passionate about, that remains a passion. It stays, and if anything grows as a passion. Still exciting, still enticing, still captivates you.

• 1:55:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen eighty.

• 1:55:27Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:55:28Joe Rogan?

  The world was a different place. I mean, think about where we were in the universe in nineteen eighty and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. Like, we've moved how many fucking million miles? Since nineteen eighty.

• 1:55:49Speaker 03

  I know, that's, that's hard to think about.

• 1:55:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, have you ever seen what the, you know, we, we always want to think about the sun being in the center of our solar system and the planets spinning around it. But have you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like, like moving through space? The whole thing's moving through space. It's not stationary. It's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around.

• 1:56:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and everybody else is just sitting there.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  Fucking whole thing is hurling through space. So in nineteen eighty, we were in a totally different spot in the universe.

• 1:56:25Speaker 03

  That's crazy. That is crazy.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  The world was different. People were different. Information was different. Our version of reality was different.

• 1:56:36Speaker 03

  Everything.

• 1:56:37Joe Rogan?

  Everything was different. Fuck. And you wrote it out from answering machines to pagers, to fucking sidekicks, to iPhones, to the internet, to everything like.

• 1:56:52Speaker 03

  Remember the Motorola brick phone?

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:56:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:56:56Joe Rogan?

  You were a pimp if you had one of those.

• 1:56:57Speaker 03

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:56:59Joe Rogan?

  Look at it. This is what it looks like. This is, see, mo- most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing.

• 1:57:06Speaker 03

  Oh, it's.

• 1:57:07Joe Rogan?

  How our, our solar system actually moves. So, look, the sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space.

• 1:57:16Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:57:18Speaker 03

  Where's Earth there?

• 1:57:19Joe Rogan?

  Earth is the third planet from the sun.

• 1:57:21Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  The blue one, right there.

• 1:57:23Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 1:57:23Joe Rogan?

  So, just think about that.

• 1:57:25Speaker 03

  How many rips?

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how many rips?

• 1:57:27Speaker 03

  Have we done?

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  Have we done since nineteen eighty?

• 1:57:30Speaker 03

  Bruh.

• 1:57:31Joe Rogan?

  How, we're, we're in a different place in the fucking universe.

• 1:57:34Speaker 03

  God.

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  Than we were in nineteen eighty.

• 1:57:37Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:57:37Joe Rogan?

  How far? How, let's ask this. How far has the solar system moved through the universe since nineteen eighty? Let's ask perplexity that.

• 1:57:46Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 1:57:47Joe Rogan?

  That, this is one of the best uses of AI, stupid information like this.

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah, it is. It is.

• 1:57:57Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna guess. A hundred million miles.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Just a wild guess.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  I have no idea. I might be off by a hundred million.

• 1:58:11Speaker 06

  Oh, it's giving me light years, not distance.

• 1:58:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, let me see what it looks like. Roughly two to three, I think a light year is a trillion miles.

• 1:58:20Speaker 03

  Whoa, dude.

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  Two to three light years through space. Okay, how many miles is a light year? Put that in.

• 1:58:28Speaker 06

  I didn't say miles.

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, but how many miles is a light year?

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a trillion miles.

• 1:58:42Speaker 03

  Fuck, we're going in.

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a light year is 5.88 trillion miles.

• 1:58:47Speaker 03

  Dude!

• 1:58:47Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so think about that. Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene.

• 1:59:00Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  Think of that.

• 1:59:02Speaker 03

  And a trillion is a thousand billions, right?

• 1:59:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes, a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the Earth moved through? So, it was like two to three... It was two to three light years?

• 1:59:18Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:59:18Joe Rogan?

  Okay. And each light year is how many trillion?

• 1:59:22Speaker 06

  5.88.

• 1:59:23Joe Rogan?

  5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly fifteen-plus trillion miles?

• 1:59:32Speaker 03

  Dude, we're old!

• 1:59:35Joe Rogan?

  Old as fuck! 1980, I was in junior high school.

• 1:59:39Speaker 03

  I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled.

• 1:59:41Joe Rogan?

  We have fucking traveled.

• 1:59:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:43Joe Rogan?

  We have fucking traveled.

• 1:59:44Speaker 03

  Damn!

• 1:59:45Joe Rogan?

  But that's, that's a freaky thing to think about. How far... How, and we're in a different place in the universe.

• 1:59:52Speaker 03

  Boy, thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to... To... I don't know, just...

• 1:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Just to think about.

• 1:59:58Speaker 03

  Dude, you know how many miles I've fucking traveled, bro?

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:03Joe Rogan?

  Fifteen-plus trillion.

• 2:00:04Speaker 03

  Trillions?

• 2:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Just since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? That had to be nuts.

• 2:00:11Speaker 03

  It's fucking bizarre, dude. Uh, like, I don't, I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the... The fucking... I don't know, the keys to a fucking...

• 2:00:28Speaker 03

  Pretty much anything you wanted to do, try.

• 2:00:32Joe Rogan?

  What was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar?

• 2:00:35Speaker 03

  First thing I bought was, uh, was my, a fucking dream car. It was a fucking eighty-two Corvette. T-top.

• 2:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:00:46Speaker 03

  T-tops popped out.

• 2:00:47Joe Rogan?

  What color?

• 2:00:48Speaker 03

  It was a champagne colored.

• 2:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, nice.

• 2:00:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was kinda silvery gold, kind of a...

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:56Speaker 03

  Fucking rad, dude. Like, all my whole, I don't know, when you're a kid.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  In eighty-two, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying. Cause in eighty-two, they were still dope looking. Like, pull up a nineteen-eighty-two Corvette.

• 2:01:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're still fucking rad.

• 2:01:11Joe Rogan?

  Mustangs looked like hot dog shit in eighty-two. They looked fucking terrible. They looked terrible. Camaros looked like shit. Everything looked like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope.

• 2:01:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's still dope today.

• 2:01:25Speaker 03

  That's the color I had, dude.

• 2:01:26Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 2:01:27Speaker 03

  That's the one.

• 2:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. Make that bigger. Look at that. That is a fucking dope car today. It's one of the only American cars from nineteen-eighty-two that looks dope today. Like, pull up a nineteen-eighty-two Mustang.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen-eighty-two Mustang's gonna make you wanna vomit.

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  I know a lot of people that are like fans of the fox body.

• 2:01:52Speaker 03

  Oh, hell no.

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Look at that!

• 2:01:53Speaker 03

  What is that?

• 2:01:54Joe Rogan?

  Garbage!

• 2:01:55Speaker 03

  Bro, that looks like a gremlin.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  It looks like straight horse shit. That's whatever the fucking Russians did to us.

• 2:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Or really, the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is. That is fucking disgusting.

• 2:02:14Speaker 03

  That is so, dude.

• 2:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now, I want you to do this. Pull up a nineteen-sixty-nine Boss four-twenty-nine Mustang.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Put up the pinnacle, the pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that, motherfucker!

• 2:02:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, right?

• 2:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 2:02:33Speaker 03

  Fucking hell.

• 2:02:34Joe Rogan?

  Look at the difference between nineteen-sixty-nine and that fucking dogshit nineteen-eighty-two.

• 2:02:40Speaker 03

  Extended gremlin.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Motherfucker, look at that thing!

• 2:02:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:02:46Joe Rogan?

  That's a real car.

• 2:02:47Speaker 03

  That's badass.

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  But they they blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers from having drugs and they all make garbage. Except Corvette.

• 2:02:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Corvette still stuck with that style because Corvettes were fiberglass. So they weren't as limited in terms of like the shapes, you know, they had those cool swirvy lines to them and they they kept those. Until oddly enough, the nineties, they started getting shitty in the nineties. Look at you, dog.

• 2:03:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, there it is, dude.

• 2:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Look at you, dog. Wow, that's crazy.

• 2:03:19Speaker 03

  That's nuts, dude.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  I wonder who's got that car?

• 2:03:22Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:03:23Joe Rogan?

  Somebody has Tommy Lee's nineteen eighty-two Corvette.

• 2:03:25Speaker 03

  Somebody.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  They have to.

• 2:03:28Speaker 03

  You know that thing's still running.

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably, hopefully.

• 2:03:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, they a lot of those, they take them and make resto mods out of them now. They'll put like a modern engine and modern brakes and everything so they handle better and modern suspension.

• 2:03:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. I immediately, immediately fucking.

• 2:03:45Speaker 03

  Me and my buddy just took that car and fucking put a fucking blower and injection on it. It's fucking insane, dude. In the glove box, this is before, like now we have, you know, a bunch of super rad tuned exhaust, you know, uh, you know, straight pipe shit loud as fuck. This is before that. And we we made a couple of cutouts and in the glove box, like if the cops were to come, you just open the glove box and take these two, they they're like choke levers.

• 2:04:17Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:18Speaker 03

  And you you pull them, pull them out. And the flaps would disconnect them and just go straight from the headers out and bypass the mufflers.

• 2:04:28Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:04:28Speaker 03

  So it'd just be like

• 2:04:32Speaker 03

  And if the cops were coming, you just push these two choke levers in and back to the mufflers, all quiet.

• 2:04:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have switches for that now with a lot of cars, like custom made cars. They have exhaust switches that do that, but they don't do it to that extent where it just goes straight pipes.

• 2:04:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, that was fun.

• 2:04:52Joe Rogan?

  That must have sounded fucking amazing.

• 2:04:54Speaker 03

  Dude, so rad.

• 2:04:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Like, those are two things that are like completely connected forever.

• 2:05:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got, but I always wanted to, was like the fucking Shelby Cobra.

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:05:10Speaker 03

  The big fucking pipes blowing right, just loud as fuck. Like, four-inch exhaust, like, dude, that shit's throaty and just nasty.

• 2:05:19Joe Rogan?

  Tiny little car, little fiberglass car.

• 2:05:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. Go kart with a 427 in it.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Crazy power, no weight at all. It weighs nothing.

• 2:05:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it just does burnouts the whole time. It's getting too much.

• 2:05:30Joe Rogan?

  I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts. Like, but it freaks me out. It's like, there's no protection here. If you get in an accident, like, there's like nothing to this car.

• 2:05:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, you have no roof. You don't even have a roll bar. It's like, just got this little tiny windshield. You're behind the wheel of an engine. Just a giant engine with four wheels.

• 2:05:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're done.

• 2:05:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:50Speaker 03

  One bad move.

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Pretty dope.

• 2:05:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, super rad.

• 2:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, one of those, like, look at that fucking thing.

• 2:05:57Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sickest shit.

• 2:05:59Joe Rogan?

  Radical looking.

• 2:06:01Speaker 03

  Oh, look at the flared wheel wells.

• 2:06:03Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, too, they make a lot of recreations now. Like, the old ones are worth like millions of dollars.

• 2:06:08Speaker 03

  Dude, I know.

• 2:06:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing.

• 2:06:14Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  There's a ton of recreations now, and they're fucking great. And they look the same, and it's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money, but who fucking cares? Just go drive it. It's awesome.

• 2:06:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you just enjoy it.

• 2:06:25Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing. Geez.

• 2:06:26Speaker 03

  Bro, look at, ah, that thing's slim.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Carbon fiber. Oh, my goodness. Look at that fucking thing. It's all carbon fiber.

• 2:06:32Speaker 03

  Oh, fuck, let's go.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  That must weigh 14 pounds.

• 2:06:34Speaker 03

  Let's go get a couple, dude.

• 2:06:36Joe Rogan?

  Dude, who's making that? Click on that link. Who's making that fucking thing?

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably is. Well, I know, yeah, Classic Recreations. That same company that does those dope 67 GT500s.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  They're making a Classic Recreations. A thousand horsepower!

• 2:06:56Speaker 03

  Oh, dude.

• 2:06:57Joe Rogan?

  Dude, it weighs 2,300 pounds. That's nuts.

• 2:07:00Speaker 03

  A thousand?

• 2:07:02Joe Rogan?

  But the body, the carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds.

• 2:07:08Speaker 03

  Unbelievable.

• 2:07:09Joe Rogan?

  It's 2,000 power, 2,000 pounds of suspension, frame and wheels and engine and that's it. Look at that. That's sick. That's so sick.

• 2:07:20Speaker 03

  That's just fucking straight trouble, right there.

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna get you in trouble.

• 2:07:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:25Joe Rogan?

  Or not, or just enjoy yourself.

• 2:07:26Speaker 03

  Just fun, yeah.

• 2:07:27Joe Rogan?

  But it's, "America, fuck yeah."

• 2:07:31Speaker 03

  Fuck, I love those cars.

• 2:07:33Joe Rogan?

  What else did you buy that was...

• 2:07:34Speaker 03

  A thousand horsepower.

• 2:07:34Joe Rogan?

  I know. Preposterous.

• 2:07:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:36Joe Rogan?

  What else did you buy that's nuts?

• 2:07:38Speaker 03

  Um, when they first came out, um, me and my bass player bought like, almost fucking, at the same time, uh, the Ferrari had come out with the Testerosa.

• 2:07:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Miami Vice car.

• 2:07:52Speaker 03

  Totally dude.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, I had a car broker find me a black on black one.

• 2:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh man.

• 2:07:59Speaker 03

  And I was just like, fuck. Okay, this is insane. The, the, the listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a fucking car for 200, at the time, $250,000 for the Testerosa. Get it shipped from, it came in from, from Florida to LA. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats, it's brand fucking new. Back it down the fucking car carrier and I'm in, the dude's kinda showing me, you know, what's up. And I fucking, I look in the, you know, to the right of the steering wheel, there's like a, like a, looks like a c- cover.

• 2:08:37Speaker 03

  So I grab it and you open it up at that, where the stereo would be. I open it up and I go, "Where's the stereo?" The guy goes, "Oh, Enzo believed that the music that you should be listening to is the sound of the engine."

• 2:08:59Speaker 03

  And I'm like, well, that's fucking rad and everything, Enzo, but, but, bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars and I want to fucking crank shit loud as fuck here and breaking the speed limit. Like, come on. Who does that? And I, so I had to go, I got a stereo. At the time, there was, there was no, uh, subwoofers. There was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop, there's no room too. So you could, you could get a bazooka tube behind the seats.

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:31Speaker 03

  And some fucking, you know, for a subwoofer and some other speakers in the doors.

• 2:09:36Joe Rogan?

  Decent door speakers. Decent. They were only decent back then.

• 2:09:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. And Alpine receiver, but, and I got it to, to bump, but I just found it fucking just shocking that like, that that much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo?

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty ridiculous.

• 2:09:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  This episode is brought to you by ShipStation. Black Friday is madness if you're shopping, but if you're the person trying to get all those orders out the door, that's a whole different kind of crazy. That's where ShipStation comes in. It's an end-to-end order fulfillment platform that brings all your orders into one place. So when volume spikes, your team isn't scrambling to keep up. More than 1 million businesses have used ShipStation to get through peak season, scaling fulfillment up to 40 times while cutting costs up to 30%. It's the kind of tool that helps businesses stay in control when things get nuts and every order matters. Peak season doesn't wait and neither should you. Get ahead of

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  it today with ShipStation and get 60 days free at shipstation.com with the code JRE. That's shipstation.com code JRE. Taxes and fees apply.

• 2:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Today is brought to you by the number one brand for better sex, BlueChew. BlueChew Gold is a four-in-one powerhouse that gets your brain and your body on the same page for sex. Two ingredients get the blood flow pumping and two ingredients prime your brain for arousal. No overthinking, just peak performance in as little as 15 minutes. Look at the stats, gold is three times stronger, five times faster and eight times longer lasting than old school methods. BlueChew Gold is the real deal, right now buy two months of BlueChew Gold and get the third free with my code ROGEN. You'll also receive free overnight shipping, that's promo code ROGEN. Head over to BlueChew.com for details and important safety information.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Check it out, this ad and the products being advertised are intended for a United States audience. But, they did sound incredible.

• 2:11:49Speaker 03

  And I totally get it, like you should be listening to the motor.

• 2:11:52Joe Rogan?

  There's a sound that those things make, it's just like, it's heavenly.

• 2:11:54Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 2:11:55Joe Rogan?

  It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle car sound. The muscle car sound's my all-time favorite, but there's something melodic about those Ferrari engines.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  It's like a...

• 2:12:08Speaker 03

  Sound just like it.

• 2:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Ah, there's a sound that it has, it's like, it's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road and...

• 2:12:18Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 2:12:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, "Buongiorno."

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah, man. Ah, those things are, there's something special. And again, it's a, what is that? It's a piece of passion, it's artwork. It's artwork that's, you know, made into an engineering form.

• 2:12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, that we get to play with.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:40Speaker 03

  Basically a race car.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:42Speaker 03

  You know.

• 2:12:43Joe Rogan?

  Like a friend of mine, we were talking about like Ferrari, you think Ferraris are worth it? I go, "Listen, man, rich people aren't stupid, they're not stupid. If Ferraris weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them, have you ever driven one?"

• 2:12:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 2:12:54Joe Rogan?

  And I go, "No, trust me, they're fucking worth it."

• 2:12:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money, it's not worth it really for a normal person. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that. The thing Ferrari fucked up on, big time, is they took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up.

• 2:13:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's...

• 2:13:12Joe Rogan?

  They fucked that up. Porsche's the only one who kept it. They're the only ones smart enough to realize, like, there's a part of the experience that you gotta fucking...

• 2:13:22Joe Rogan?

  That gated shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari.

• 2:13:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Bring it back. Cut the shit.

• 2:13:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Guys are silly.

• 2:13:31Speaker 03

  Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released?

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  Which one?

• 2:13:35Speaker 03

  The Ferrari?

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  That was dog shit.

• 2:13:38Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 2:13:38Joe Rogan?

  They fucked that up hardcore. That looks like a joke. It looks like, that looks like something that someone made for just, to get engagement online. Like it's fake, but it's real.

• 2:13:48Speaker 03

  I know. I couldn't, I was like.

• 2:13:50Joe Rogan?

  It looks as ugly as those nineteen eighty-two Mustangs.

• 2:13:53Speaker 03

  Yes, it looks like a barista.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Ferrari electric car.

• 2:13:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:13:59Joe Rogan?

  Look at Ferrari.

• 2:14:00Speaker 03

  Look at it, dude.

• 2:14:02Joe Rogan?

  It looks so boring.

• 2:14:03Speaker 03

  What the?

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  And so nothing. Look at it. And even inside, you're like, this looks like cheap dog shit.

• 2:14:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand it.

• 2:14:11Speaker 03

  I don't get it either. I thought it was like a joke.

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:14:15Speaker 03

  You know, like, you know.

• 2:14:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, look at this. It's got suicide doors, which is kinda dope.

• 2:14:19Speaker 03

  That's kinda cool.

• 2:14:20Joe Rogan?

  But you know what is really dope? On a sixty-five Continental? Not on this fucking thing. Look at ugly, you ugly fucking monstrosity.

• 2:14:29Speaker 03

  That's funny you mentioned that car. That's another one of my favorites.

• 2:14:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sixty-five Continental. Oh, yeah.

• 2:14:35Speaker 03

  Fucking.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  I know a guy who's got one for sale. That's a resto mod and I'm fucking really thinking about it. It's a sixty-five black convertible with the suicide doors and it's just mint. It's mint. And it's got a new engine in it, like a, a, a modern engine and it's got fucking a perfect suspension in it. It looks so radical.

• 2:14:54Speaker 03

  Oh, god.

• 2:14:55Joe Rogan?

  There's something about that car, especially in a convertible, the sixty-five.

• 2:14:58Speaker 03

  The convertible is my, that's my jam right there.

• 2:15:01Joe Rogan?

  Good luck parking anywhere.

• 2:15:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:03Joe Rogan?

  You might as well be parking a yacht.

• 2:15:04Speaker 03

  It's a fucking boat, dude.

• 2:15:06Joe Rogan?

  It's so big. It's so big. It's so big, but it's so sick. It's just, I can't understand how Ferrari can make, now, I want you to pull up a Ferrari four, five, eight Italia. So I think the four, five, eight is their masterpiece. I think it's the best like Ferrari that they ever made.

• 2:15:23Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:15:24Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the four, five, eight, it just. They nailed it. You look at that, that, oh my god, look at that fucking thing. That is a work of art.

• 2:15:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  It's so beautiful and it, it's, a lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. When you drive, it also doesn't have a manual transmission, which sucks a fat dick, but other than that, go back to that last picture that you had of that, that one. Look at that one, make that bigger. Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture, but god, it's fucking beautiful. Amazing design.

• 2:15:59Speaker 03

  Those are beautiful.

• 2:16:00Joe Rogan?

  Now, think of the company that made that, also made that, go with that black one right there, where your cursor just was. Click on that one. Oh, baby. Look how sick that is.

• 2:16:09Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  And how do you go from that to that electric piece of shit you guys just released?

• 2:16:14Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you. Fuck you for doing that. How dare you?

• 2:16:19Speaker 03

  I, I, uh, I bought a, uh,

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  Yuck.

• 2:16:22Speaker 03

  An F8, the Tributo.

• 2:16:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those are sick.

• 2:16:26Speaker 03

  Which is very, very similar to, and that fucking car is badass.

• 2:16:31Joe Rogan?

  No, they make incredible cars. They make incredible, and somehow or another, less douchey than a Lamborghini. I don't know how they did it.

• 2:16:38Speaker 03

  Y- yeah.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's like, something about a Ferrari that you have one, it's sophisticated, you know?

• 2:16:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:46Joe Rogan?

  Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like, look at this douchebag, this fucking, meanwhile, Lamborghinis are awesome.

• 2:16:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:51Joe Rogan?

  They're awesome.

• 2:16:52Speaker 03

  But why is that, why are they like, attached to, I guess because it's kinda like, I don't know.

• 2:17:01Speaker 03

  I don't know, maybe rappers or something started, started.

• 2:17:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, because they use Ferraris too. It doesn't make any sense. It's like, there's something about them that's more ostentatious, it's more obnoxious.

• 2:17:12Speaker 03

  The doors, maybe, just like, just too showy.

• 2:17:16Joe Rogan?

  I know, I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari, he's a rich guy and he loves Ferrari, he's like, I can't drive a Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just, I don't want, I feel like a douchebag.

• 2:17:26Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, okay, I know what you're saying, there's a, there's a real thing there, but I don't know why. Because Lamborghinis are fucking amazing.

• 2:17:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, they fucking too have an amazing sound.

• 2:17:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:36Speaker 03

  Different from Ferrari, a little higher, whinier.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  But sick.

• 2:17:40Speaker 03

  But they bark, I mean.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is the latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that they just released last year, that's, it's insane. It's as wide as a fucking trailer. It's huge.

• 2:17:54Speaker 03

  XJ.

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't know the name of it. I've never had a Lamborghini.

• 2:17:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, me either.

• 2:17:59Joe Rogan?

  I drove one once on a track. It was a little loose. Um, which one's that?

• 2:18:04Speaker 03

  Temera.

• 2:18:05Joe Rogan?

  Temereno? Tem- Temerario. Temerario. That looks amazing.

• 2:18:12Speaker 03

  Whoa dude.

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, woo.

• 2:18:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's pretty.

• 2:18:15Joe Rogan?

  Ew. That one. There we go. Huracan. That's another sick one.

• 2:18:19Speaker 03

  Oh, the Huracan, yeah.

• 2:18:20Joe Rogan?

  It's a little smaller and lighter, I think.

• 2:18:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:18:25Joe Rogan?

  It's also amazing. You give an eighteen year old kid that kind of power in a car and you're still alive.

• 2:18:33Speaker 03

  I- I know. I know. Ah, dude. Fuck. Yeah.

• 2:18:40Speaker 03

  Those- tho- those kind of cars will- will definitely check you, uh, keep you in check too because it's- it's not until, you know, over a hundred miles an hour, getting closer to two hundred miles an hour to where you're in that car and you're like, it hits you, you go, if I make one fucking tiny little error here, it's over.

• 2:19:05Joe Rogan?

  It's over.

• 2:19:06Speaker 03

  It's over.

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:07Speaker 03

  The motor's in the fucking back.

• 2:19:09Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:19:09Speaker 03

  And if this thing runs into, off the road or whatever, it's just gonna accordion.

• 2:19:16Joe Rogan?

  Right into me.

• 2:19:17Speaker 03

  And you're- you're- you're done.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of amazing. You just buy one. You know, I thought about that now, like they have the new Corvette ZR1. It has a thousand horsepower.

• 2:19:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:19:29Joe Rogan?

  From the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership, if you got the cash, slap down some money and you have a thousand horsepower car that goes zero to sixty in two seconds. And you just go out there and like, bye. Good luck.

• 2:19:45Speaker 03

  Be safe.

• 2:19:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that? Like, that, you should have to have a pilot's license to drive one of those things.

• 2:19:52Speaker 03

  Totally, or just, you know, racetrack only, whatever.

• 2:19:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, but imagine you're an eighteen-year-old rock star.

• 2:19:58Speaker 03

  Here you go.

• 2:20:01Joe Rogan?

  You got one. And back then, the Corvettes like yours, especially when you put a blower on it, those fucking things had no traction control. They had no anti-lock brakes, there's no nannies, there was nothing to protect you.

• 2:20:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  It was just madness. It's pure madness. Did you ever take it to a track or anything?

• 2:20:19Speaker 03

  No, never did.

• 2:20:20Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever driven around a track? You ever done that?

• 2:20:22Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 2:20:23Joe Rogan?

  That's fun.

• 2:20:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is fun.

• 2:20:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:25Speaker 03

  That is fun. I went to, I spent some time at the Skip Barber School.

• 2:20:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:20:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:33Speaker 03

  Of course, the Libra in me has to fucking learn about everything, about Apex and study.

• 2:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:40Speaker 03

  Like, there's, there's a lot of physical and, you know, technical things about driving.

• 2:20:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:20:46Speaker 03

  If you don't understand about going into a turn at fucking a hundred miles an hour, you're going to fucking die.

• 2:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:20:54Speaker 03

  You know, so I was like, ah.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  You're definitely gonna spin out. Yeah, learning, learning how to do it is, was really interesting to me. It was really interesting to realize, like, the lines that you take.

• 2:21:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:21:04Joe Rogan?

  You don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. No, you're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge, and cutting the lines to make a quicker time.

• 2:21:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:21:12Joe Rogan?

  And knowing when to brake, knowing when you'd accelerate, and it's so interesting.

• 2:21:16Speaker 03

  It's a lot, man.

• 2:21:17Joe Rogan?

  Very technical.

• 2:21:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:19Joe Rogan?

  A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You think you're just kind of steering the car like, no, no, no, no, there's a lot of decisions to be made. There's a lot going on. Especially on a really windy turn, like, this, that's what Cota looks like, that's the track, Circuit of the Americas, and that, that one is like, there's so much turns and this. And there's a long straightaway, you could really fucking get after it.

• 2:21:39Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:21:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:40Speaker 03

  And it's not even about the acceleration, a lot of times it's about the braking.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:45Speaker 03

  I mean, fuck.

• 2:21:45Joe Rogan?

  Braking and turning.

• 2:21:46Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, that's one of the things that I say, like, is really worth it about having money, is like, experiencing a great car. Because it's like an amusement park ride.

• 2:21:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Even when you're not even going fast. Just driving normal speeds around, it's like, if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine, it's like, ah!

• 2:22:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:22:04Joe Rogan?

  It's like an amusement park ride. You know, it's not, it's not just, you're not just driving a car.

• 2:22:09Speaker 03

  You're, you're absolutely right.

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  You're experiencing something that, you know, the other people are in, you're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car. You're not experiencing that.

• 2:22:18Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:22:19Speaker 03

  No, no, you're, you're just grooving on the emblem.

• 2:22:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, they got you. That could have been a Hyundai, easily.

• 2:22:26Speaker 03

  Dude, I couldn't believe it. I was like, they did not do this.

• 2:22:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, I hope they rebound. I hope they like smack somebody who made that and go, hey, bro.

• 2:22:35Speaker 03

  They will. I think one of the designers was one of the guys who was involved in designing the iPhone and it fucking looks like it.

• 2:22:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:22:44Speaker 03

  That's what's got, that's why it's got all the.

• 2:22:46Speaker 06

  The only iPhone is.

• 2:22:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:22:47Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:22:49Speaker 03

  That, and so.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  That guy's awesome. How did he do that?

• 2:22:52Speaker 03

  That started to make sense. I was like, okay.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  I would ask him before I even talked to him about him, like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car? What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an Escort, like, fuck you.

• 2:23:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck out of there, yeah. I have a Prius. Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit. Fuck you.

• 2:23:12Speaker 03

  Out of the design room.

• 2:23:13Joe Rogan?

  You can't, you can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made an iPhone. You're gonna make it look sleek and plain?

• 2:23:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  No, it's gotta look like art, you motherfucker. Someone's paying a quarter million dollars for this thing and now a lot more.

• 2:23:27Speaker 03

  I, I think the electric cars, I, I wanna say three, three hundred and thirty.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  I bet they're gonna sell two.

• 2:23:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:23:35Joe Rogan?

  Two retards.

• 2:23:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:36Joe Rogan?

  Two fucking super rich retards are gonna buy that fucking thing.

• 2:23:39Speaker 03

  Nobody gonna spend four hundred thousand dollars on this electric thing.

• 2:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking.

• 2:23:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:23:48Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck are you guys doing? What is the, the, the latest one? What is the, the, what is their, their main one now? The sleek looking one, like the advanced version of the four, five, eight, like the one they have now, like what is it called?

• 2:24:03Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 2:24:03Joe Rogan?

  SF. Oh. Is it called?

• 2:24:06Speaker 03

  SF ninety?

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  SF ninety, yeah, that's what it is, SF ninety, that thing's insane, that's gorgeous.

• 2:24:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  That's a gorgeous car.

• 2:24:13Speaker 03

  My favorite.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  How do they go from an SF ninety, they're selling that at the same time as they're selling the Sunka Junk, SF ninety is one of the most best looking cars ever.

• 2:24:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:22Joe Rogan?

  It's incredible.

• 2:24:24Speaker 03

  And do you?

• 2:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Pull up a picture of one of those, Jamie.

• 2:24:25Speaker 06

  I'm on their website.

• 2:24:27Speaker 03

  And have you, dude, have you seen the body, I love the LaFerrari, the body style and the LaFerrari.

• 2:24:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's it, that's the one.

• 2:24:36Speaker 03

  Oh dude, that's got some LaFerrari in the ass end.

• 2:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made, Jamie?

• 2:24:42Speaker 06

  I'm on their website, I'm just.

• 2:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:43Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:24:43Joe Rogan?

  No, I understand, this is all the cars that they make and all the cars that, like, that's gorgeous, man, that is gorgeous.

• 2:24:50Speaker 03

  Hit the, hit the LaFerrari?

• 2:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:54Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 2:24:56Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing, woo, what is the F eighty? Click on the F eighty, oh my god, gorgeous, gorgeous.

• 2:25:07Joe Rogan?

  When it says all models, they don't have the, what is it?

• 2:25:12Speaker 06

  What I was looking for, I was trying to find what, I went to the website to find the newest car.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I think like some of them, it's not the newest car, like it might have been like last year, a year ago.

• 2:25:24Speaker 06

  Well, they would be sharing it somewhere on here, I would imagine.

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  No, it's real, Jamie, just Google for, okay, I'm just saying, just Google, um, pull up an image of Ferrari, twenty twenty four Ferrari, uh, SF ninety, then you'll see it.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  There it is, that's it.

• 2:25:45Speaker 03

  Oh, the wing?

• 2:25:46Joe Rogan?

  That's a, that's one that's like prime for racing, but you go to images, please? There you go, that's it.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  So how does a company make that? Like, look how gorgeous that is. That's incredible. That's so beautiful.

• 2:26:01Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  How does a company make that? And then that Johnny Ivey piece of shit.

• 2:26:05Speaker 03

  Fucking thing. There was like three dudes. One dude, like, I guess, designed the iPhone. And there's two other designers involved.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  They probably worked for Lamborghini. They're probably spies. They probably, you know, infiltrated and decided to like ruin it from the inside. Probably the same guy that made Billy Squire's music video.

• 2:26:25Speaker 03

  Dude, that guy's gotta be stopped. Fuck that guy.

• 2:26:29Joe Rogan?

  He's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire. I can do this to Ferrari. I can thank them.

• 2:26:34Speaker 03

  I took Ferrari down.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, with one whack ass fucking electric car.

• 2:26:42Speaker 03

  Yes, I sold them a phone design.

• 2:26:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But, you know, that's what happens. You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart, that are artistic around, that are gonna look at that and go, hey, hey, hey. No.

• 2:26:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, yeah. What's with all the yes men? There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing?

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how the fuck that ever got greenlit by someone at Ferrari. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made? And then look at that one and goes, "A perfect." "A perfectione." No, no, no, no, no.

• 2:27:15Speaker 03

  Nobody was doing that.

• 2:27:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't get it.

• 2:27:16Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, companies make blunders.

• 2:27:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:21Joe Rogan?

  You know, every now and then a band puts out a shitty record.

• 2:27:23Speaker 03

  You know what? It happens. It happens. It happens. I get it.

• 2:27:27Joe Rogan?

  I mean, Ferrari's still Ferrari. They'll bounce back, but, you know, guys.

• 2:27:30Speaker 03

  They can always go, hey, we're not in the electric car business, okay? We fucked up.

• 2:27:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what they probably should. Because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want them. You know, like the Porsches, the Taycans, like those Audis? Like, the Audi ones that are just like a couple of years old, you can get them for like half price. Nobody wants them.

• 2:27:50Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Nobody wants electric cars, especially used electric cars.

• 2:27:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's weird.

• 2:27:56Joe Rogan?

  It is, but if you think about it, like electronics, we think of as disposable, right? You think, you know, you don't wanna buy someone's phone from ten years ago.

• 2:28:03Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Right? So you don't wanna buy a Tesla from ten years ago either.

• 2:28:06Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:28:07Joe Rogan?

  Right? Meanwhile, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. You get a ten-year-old Tesla, it's a fucking awesome car.

• 2:28:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:12Joe Rogan?

  But you don't want it.

• 2:28:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new.

• 2:28:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  Engines, that's a different story.

• 2:28:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  You know, like a two thousand and five Porsche is still very valuable. People love those things.

• 2:28:25Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Those things have gone through the roof.

• 2:28:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:28:28Speaker 03

  Lately, like, but the Porsches?

• 2:28:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:31Speaker 03

  I just know of so many guys that are just like buying them up, collecting them.

• 2:28:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb, people like, they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars, the actual experience of it.

• 2:28:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:28:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:48Joe Rogan?

  It's like, as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music and everything, people are gonna wanna see live performances more, you know?

• 2:28:58Speaker 03

  No doubt, yeah.

• 2:29:00Joe Rogan?

  I think they, they, they want that experience, the experience of like raw, live, something that makes you feel alive, something.

• 2:29:08Speaker 03

  All about the experience, man. All about it.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Are you, you guys are touring again?

• 2:29:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, coming up. Um, mid-July, we're out.

• 2:29:18Joe Rogan?

  How fucking pumped are you for that?

• 2:29:19Speaker 03

  Couple months. So pumped, cuz I've actually, um, we've been home, we just, we, we did, um, this big, uh, stadium tour with Def Leppard, went all around the world. That tour was, fuck, two and a half years long.

• 2:29:37Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:29:38Speaker 03

  Like, dude, that's insane. So, um, and I, I started to realize, I'm like, fuck, I can't remember the last time I've been home, like, with a, with a break. Like, we intentionally, we're like, let's just fucking take a year, or more than a year, off. And, like, and, um, it wasn't until twenty sixteen was the last time, um, we had, like, taken a, taken a break. Um, so, for, for me,

• 2:30:14Speaker 03

  It's just been fucking wonderful. I I I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home. And, you know, going now going into summer now, we're getting ready to go back out, but just having that time at home was really fucking cool. So I'm super proud. The grass is always greener, dude.

• 2:30:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:30:33Speaker 03

  You know, when you're out there fucking ripping it, you're like, this is fucking red. And then after a while, you're like, I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed. You know?

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:44Speaker 03

  You know, and then then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I gotta get out of here.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:50Speaker 03

  You know, I gotta go fucking go do the shit.

• 2:30:54Speaker 03

  So it's, I don't know, that's a weird balance, you know, you're you're you're happy until it's too much and then, you know.

• 2:31:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just achieving the balance, but it's awesome that you still love it so much after all all these years.

• 2:31:08Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  It really is.

• 2:31:09Speaker 03

  Dude, let me just tell, there's nothing better than imagine, right? Let's trade places for a second. You're back there, you're playing drums and you've been doing this for a while. Long enough to see this is the fucking best in the world. You see your fans, all of a sudden, your fans have had children. Now their children are on the shoulders of their of their fucking parents who were your fans. Now they're bringing their kids to the show and their fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going, shout, shout with the fucking devil horns up.

• 2:31:52Speaker 03

  And you're like, you're sitting there going like, dude, that kid,

• 2:31:59Speaker 03

  what is he fucking 10? And he's just fucking, you know, and

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, he's air drumming.

• 2:32:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, just to see that you're you've you've sort of, you know, you've, I don't know, just you've done a full circle to where now it's a whole nother generation that's just now seeing this for the first time and they're fucking and you and you're sitting back there playing going like, that's pretty fucking incredible.

• 2:32:26Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty fucking incredible.

• 2:32:27Speaker 03

  That that that doesn't get old, man. To watch that happen is probably why the

• 2:32:34Speaker 03

  Become the reason why I love it so much. That really like puts a fucking nail in it. You know what I mean?

• 2:32:40Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah.

• 2:32:41Speaker 03

  That's like, and that can only be achieved through time.

• 2:32:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:45Speaker 03

  Right? So that's nothing I've ever experienced until, until recently, the last few years. I, you look out and you see a whole bunch of kids, man. And they're all just checking it out for the first time, maybe.

• 2:32:59Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:32:59Speaker 03

  For sure, some of them, right? And you're like, dude, fuck, this is wild. Wild.

• 2:33:07Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome, man.

• 2:33:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's beautiful.

• 2:33:09Joe Rogan?

  Brother, you've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing ride and I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much.

• 2:33:14Speaker 03

  Thanks, buddy.

• 2:33:15Joe Rogan?

  And thank you for being here, man. It was really cool.

• 2:33:17Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 2:33:17Joe Rogan?

  Really enjoyed it.

• 2:33:18Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me, man.

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure, my pleasure.

• 2:33:21Speaker 03

  I've been wanting to come by and see you and come hang out and talk shit.

• 2:33:25Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad we did it.

• 2:33:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:26Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad we did it. All right, thank you.

• 2:33:28Speaker 03

  All right, I love you, Joe.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  I love you too, brother. Bye.