276. Dr. John Kim: On Mold Toxicity, Mycotoxins, Heavy Metals, & Cellular Detox

You might think that once you tear out the moldy drywall and move into a clean house, your body finally gets to heal, but in this episode, Dr. John Kim and I get into why so many people do everything right and still can't shake the brain fog, the fatigue, and the gut chaos. The answer lives somewhere most testing never looks: a stuck "cell danger response," where your cells stay locked in defense mode like a fire alarm that won't stop blaring long after the fire is out. I'll walk you through how Dr. Kim uses his ENCORE method to finally shut that alarm off, because you can't out-biohack a body that's still convinced it's under attack. CLICK HERE TO BECOME GARY’S VIP!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Dr. John Kim Website: https://bit.ly/4x4xGAg YouTube: https://bit.ly/4aqYgd0 Instagram: https://bit.ly/4acnBr7 Facebook: https://bit.ly/49G7KRt TikTok: https://bit.ly/4xqaPQ3 X: https://bit.ly/3PFmMjN Thank you to our partners A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD AIRES: "ULTIMATE20 " FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp CYMBIOTIKA: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4tjyluP GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC H2TAB: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn SNOOZE: LET’S GET TO SLEEP!: https://bit.ly/4pt1T6V WHOOP: JOIN & GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 Intro of Show 04:30 Dr. John Kim's Back Story: Heart Attack 10:42 What to Do When You Discover Mold in Your System? 19:13 Testing for Mold Toxicity 31:26 Cell Danger Response: Definition, Testing, and Resolution 35:59 The ENCORE Method 38:26 E - Environmental Factors Affecting Health 47:45 N - Nervous System Regulation 52:18 C - Cellular Integrity 56:07 Stress Response Increasing Deuterium Production 1:00:24 O - Optimizing Detox 1:05:47 RE - Rebalancing the Microbiome & Enhancing Resilience 1:10:12 What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human? Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Mold is not just about the immune dysfunction or having allergies. It actually causes mitochondrial dysfunction, deep into the cellular level, down to the DNA.

• 0:08Gary Brecka?

  Cells are like human beings. They behave in communities. This is the way that cellular activity influences other cells and how metabolically healthy cells can become metabolically sick because they're in an environment with other metabolically sick cells.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  So it's vital for the cell membrane to function well. Unfortunately, dealing with mycotoxins and mold in general, it actually damages our cell membrane integrity.

• 0:27Gary Brecka?

  Unfortunately, these are not the types of infections and chronic conditions that drive you to the ER. They're ones that people learn to deal with.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  This is the reason why when I work with clients, I want to empower you to be the best doctor for your own. And this is one thing that I'd like to teach is enhancing cellular resilience.

• 0:42Gary Brecka?

  I think there's such a positive expertise out there on what to do once you find these infections. How do we actually eliminate mold from the body?

• 0:50Speaker 00

  One of the things that worked out really well for patients, and you don't need to spend a lot of money on it, and there is a company that supports this.

• 1:11Gary Brecka?

  Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And I should add mold, mycotoxin, parasite virus, heavy metal, and everything that's affecting your body. You know, today's podcast, this is a guest I've wanted to have on for a long time because I have been deep down the rabbit hole with many of you for the better part of a year now, talking about how these chronic low-grade infections are leading to systemic disease and pathology right before our eyes, not showing up on your labs, and causing all kinds of conditions that we are chalking up to a consequence

• 1:54Gary Brecka?

  of aging, or repeated infection, or we're chalking these up to a consequence of our environment, or stress, or a job, or a career, or kids. And it's none of those things. Very often, it is preventable toxicity. And today, we're going to talk about some of the big offenders and how we can get them out of our body. Welcome to the podcast, Dr. John Kim.

• 2:14Speaker 00

  Gary, thank you so much.

• 2:15Gary Brecka?

  It is such a pleasure to have you. You know, before you, before the cameras started rolling today, I talked about a lecture that I gave in Salt Lake City, going back about two years. And The first, the morning lecture, which was about genetic methylation, I actually got a standing ovation from this crowd of physicians. And then that afternoon, I did a 45-minute talk on toxicity. And we talked about mold, mycotoxins, heavy metal toxicity and some of the consequences. And I was quite ridiculed, and I don't want to say laughed off the stage, but I could tell they were just being tolerant until my talk ended.

• 2:59Gary Brecka?

  And I actually had some ENTs come to me after the lecture and tell me that they didn't believe in mold or mycotoxins, that these were, everybody, they commented, "Everybody's got mold. It's in and out of our bodies. They're basically tired of the mold cult." And I think over the last two years, through the detox challenges I've had, the experts like yourself that I've had on the podcast, people are accepting that these are real toxic loads with very real consequences. And I've been a part of, I've been really blessed to be a part of the journey of several people who have had young children with repeated sore throats,

• 3:44Gary Brecka?

  where they were just about to remove their adenoids, and they found a functional medicine doctor and said, "Put the brakes on. This child has heavy metal mold and mycotoxins. Let's do a detox and see where we stand." And now they're three, four, five years symptom-free. So if I could, for my audience, I'd like to back up to your story because a lot of the more influential and impactful people, really passionate people that come on this podcast, are passionate and purpose-driven because they solved a problem in their life, a big problem. And at 33 years old, you had a major heart attack.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  I did.

• 4:25Gary Brecka?

  And I hope it's okay if I say that because I already said it.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  It's okay. It's okay. I call it the pain to glory story.

• 4:32Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  Everybody has their.

• 4:34Gary Brecka?

  I want to talk about that. I want to talk about that journey because it gives my listeners the why. You know, why are you here? Why are you so passionate? And at that time, I'm sure there were not a lot of resources available for you. You had to become your own citizen scientist. Thankfully, you're a farm D, so you have an intricate knowledge of cellular biology, pharmacokinetics. So at least you had a vantage point to start from and maybe intelligently evaluate what was out there in the world. But I'd love for you to share that story.

• 5:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely. So I was 33 years old. I just got back from my friend's wedding down in LA, and this was exactly June 1st. And then three days later, on June 4th, that's when I started having this heartburn. I always had a heartburn issue, and I always had some kind of gut problem to begin with. I completely ignored it. And that particular day, it's a sum is that pain was resonating even higher. And the evening, that pain shut down right to my left arm, completely ignored it, went to sleep, woke up the following day like an idiot. And then having to go back to work and then mid afternoon, that's when I decided to go to the urgent care center instead of ER. And then the urgent care center doctor is like, you're having a heart attack right now. We have to get to the ER right away.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Got into the ambulance, got to the ER, and even the ER physician, even the attending cardiologist, didn't believe that this 33 year old guy, who actually got the cholesterol lab report from my doctor six months prior, they were looking at this, there's no sign of possibility actually having a heart attack, but this guy's having chest pain. So they were trying to rule out as being a pericarditis. And then when they did an echocardiogram, they found that my ventricle wasn't pumping well. So it's actually a sign of ischemia. They brought me to the cath lab, 85% blockage in my LAD.

• 6:22Gary Brecka?

  Being your widow maker. Oh, my gosh. Most people are not that lucky.

• 6:26Speaker 00

  Especially for young people, right? Especially when you're in your 50s and a 60, you have a compensatory mechanism in terms of your. New formed blood vessels, basically, right? To take care of that blockage. But generally for younger patients, they actually die quickly.

• 6:40Gary Brecka?

  You know, I had a cardiologist, I watched the cardiologist give a lecture and he said, what is the first sign of advanced cardiac disease in, I think it was 35 years old, younger?

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:50Gary Brecka?

  And people gave all these answers and he said, the first sign of advanced cardiac disease is sudden death.

• 6:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:55Gary Brecka?

  That's the first symptom.

• 6:56Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 6:56Gary Brecka?

  So God's got a plan for you, my friend.

• 7:00Speaker 00

  That was, that was something that, well, I didn't know that, but then I end up having to be in the cardiac ICU unit staring at a wall for three days, wondering how did this happen? And then especially questioned as to what led to this process, right? Having to have a early cardiac disease at age of 33. And then I had this overweight physician coming in and telling me to cut out old meat, cholesterol and everything else. They put me on a tobitostat, 80 milligrams. And I was like, this is nonsense. There's something wrong here. So I got home and I just sat there for seven days, just wondering like, what could I have done differently? So I went to my functional medicine doctor, who I'm good friends with. She actually asked me, I think you're dealing with tick-borne illness. All I wanted to do was a vitamin C drip.

• 7:45Gary Brecka?

  Tick-borne illness, wow.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  So she did a blood work and then after a month and a half later, that's when we've tested positive for espadillus antibodies, IgM, IgG, Bartonella infection, Mycoplasma pneumoniae, Epstein-Barr, mercury poisoning, on top of parasitic issues. So why does it occur? Well, there's endothelial damage that occur from a Bartonella infection, which is a cascade for you, which is common, you could get, you get from a tick-borne illness, including a spider bite. So I actually was in Boy Scouts all my life and I probably ended up with contracted that way, right? And then I lived in a very moldy house to begin with, growing up, right? And then also lived in a very stressful environment, growing up as well, you know,

• 8:28Speaker 00

  living in an immigrant family, parents are constantly working, busy, et cetera. So that led to a lot of the neuroinflammation that I was dealing with. And as you know, all the cascade in terms of inflammatory response goes from the gut. So I always had a gut problem. And that was something that I should have caught, but I was so busy. And, and the unfortunate thing is that a lot of Americans, including entrepreneurs and executives and people that you work with, I'm quite sure have the same issue where

• 8:57Gary Brecka?

  We don't listen to our bodies, you know, it sends us signals.

• 9:00Speaker 00

  It does.

• 9:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 9:01Speaker 00

  And I wasn't listening.

• 9:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  You know, so that, that's when I already had an existing problem to begin with. I had anxiety left and right. I could not sleep that well when I was in my twenties and thirties. And then when I actually had that heart attack, that's when I stopped to listen and figuring out, all right, what's going on? And I got the answer. And it took me about two years to clear it out, but it was a very tough process. And that was the moment that I found out how cellular integrity is so vitally important for your health. And this is when I started diving into lipid membrane medicine, right? And utilizing phospholipid therapy and

• 9:37Gary Brecka?

  Phosphatidylcholine?

• 9:38Speaker 00

  IVPC.

• 9:40Gary Brecka?

  IVPC, I've done that too.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  Yep. But specifically at that time, I got connected with Dr. Ed Kane, who's a founder for BodyBio. And he actually read my red blood cell fatty acid analysis. And that particular test is very special, run by Kennedy Krieger, looking, looking at the entire structure of the cell membrane, looking at the lipoproteins and the renegade fats, looking at the fluid index of the actual cell membrane. And he designed a customized lipid therapy that I had to go through. And my goodness, for four months, I was severely sick because all that toxins dealing with was just getting dumped out and my body, especially my nervous system was not ready for it. And I learned a lot from that point on. And that, and that's how I approached the clinical approach

• 10:23Speaker 00

  in dealing with mold toxicity and CAS and all this different hyper bio-toxin issues that people dealing with. My approach is very different compared to what I had to go through, you know, back in 2015. So this is how everything came into play. So I was able to clear out Bartonella mold toxicity issues, heavy metals and such.

• 10:42Gary Brecka?

  Can we go into some of the details of that? Because I think there's such a positive expertise out there on what to do once you find these infections. How do we actually eliminate mold from the body or in some of these micro How do we cleanse the body of heavy metals? I'd love to start with mold because I really do feel like the medical community is finally starting to grasp these are real infections. They have real consequences. Like we were talking about before the podcast started. Unfortunately, these are not the types of infections and chronic conditions that drive you to the ER like your heart attack or take you to the urgent care. They're ones that people learn to deal with. Right. They just tolerate them.

• 11:24Gary Brecka?

  You tolerated the gut issues probably for years before it manifested in something that drove you to the ER. And, and getting a hold of these at that stage when, you know, for people that are tuned into their body, you know, why do I have constant diarrhea and constipation and cramping, then irritability, then bloating, then gas? And, and it seems to be intermittent and not related to what I'm eating, you know? Am I fatigued all the time? Why do I seem to have brain fog at such a young age? These are, these are sort of signs your body's throwing up there you need to pay attention to. What was the detox protocol? What did that, that look like for you? You did, you said you did the PC.

• 12:04Speaker 00

  So at that point in time, my doctor put me on BodyBell PC for, from the gut go because we had to deal with the intravascular inflammation that I was dealing with. So that was something that, that's really vital there. But also when you're looking at the disease states of a heart attack or any type of cardiovascular or even types of infection, that's a sign of a mitochondrial dysfunction to begin with. So that's when the lipid membrane medicine is so vitally important to adding in the proper fat to quench the actual inflammation that was going on. So you're working on the upstream issue instead of the downstream problem that the person's dealing with. Right. So that was really, really vital there. And at that point in time, my doctor noticed that I was dealing with biofilm issues as well. So adding a biofilm buster.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  And there are companies out there utilizing different things. I mean, you could end up using prolytic enzymes like netokinase or serapetidase, N S S sixteen, phospholipid like body bio PC I mentioned before.

• 12:59Gary Brecka?

  Great company, great PC.

• 13:00Speaker 00

  Right. So it actually act as a biofilm buster as well because it dissolves, it's an emulsifier. It dissolves the biofilms, right? And one of the intricate part of biofilm is that when you have a history of taking antibiotic, for instance, right? And then over exposure to deal with mold, heavy metals, and immune dysfunction on top of this inflammation cascade, increased cholesterol cascade as well, all these are playing into the biofilm structure. And when you have a biofilm, it's very difficult to utilizing antifungal antimicrobials to collect the infection. This reason why people, even though they might be gone through heavy amounts of antifungal protocol, they cannot get to the root of the issue. So that's where oftentimes just using

• 13:45Speaker 00

  binders or antifungals alone, it's not going to fix the problem. You got to really get to the root of the problem, which is biofilm, mitochondrial dysfunction. But another thing that goes into play is the fact that these patients have trouble getting mycotoxins out to begin with because of their sympathetic nervous systems are overdriven.

• 14:04Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  Things like detox, gut work, lymphatic drain, all these are deal with your parasympathetic nervous system state.

• 14:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 14:11Speaker 00

  And oftentimes when you deal with mycotoxins, they already had an existing nervous system dysfunction to begin with. But when you're dealing with mycotoxins, especially chokolatesins, which is a black mold coming from staccobatrist, it actually causes neural inflammation across the blood and barrier, especially gliotoxins, another one.

• 14:27Gary Brecka?

  And neural inflammation, I wanted to find some of these terms like biofilm and neural inflammation and not assume that my audience knows what those, what those mean. Let's back up to biofilms. I mean, I, I have this image of like Saran Wrap kind of wrapped over your cells, sort of preventing things from getting in and out, and then the cell building up this level of toxicity, but also not being able to get the nutrients. But how would you describe biofilms? You know, what are they?

• 14:51Speaker 00

  The easiest way to explain is let's just you go to a lake and you have a flat surface of a rock on the, in the lake itself. And you see that there's a phylum, slimy phylum. That's biofilm.

• 15:02Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 15:03Speaker 00

  It's part of our entire ecosystem for the microbial to protect itself from the environment.

• 15:08Gary Brecka?

  I see.

• 15:09Speaker 00

  But when you're dealing with mold, it colonizes in your system, in your body, and actually has to have that particular defense to protect itself from the immune system. Right? And one of the interesting part about mold is they cause the immune suppression is one thing, but they also deal with the biofilm issues. And then when you have mold, there's always heavy metal getting involved.

• 15:31Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 15:32Speaker 00

  So I don't tackle the heavy metal issues. I tackle that mold first. Right? And then, and then when you're utilizing proper lipid membrane medicine, especially using phospholipids, using essential oils. And then butyrate has to be another play to effect because butyrate is a chemical chaperone to help decrease that DNA adduct issue coming from these biotoxins. To be able to get the permanent removal of these things onto the mitochondria in the DNA.

• 15:58Gary Brecka?

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• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:16Gary Brecka?

  That is essentially a secretion from these toxins to protect itself from the environment. When you remove these films, now that bug is exposed.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  Exposed.

• 17:26Gary Brecka?

  Right. And once they're exposed, now you can kill them off and get rid of them.

• 17:29Speaker 00

  With antimicrobials, but you gotta be careful too. There has to be a step-by-step method there.

• 17:33Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  So I know you had another guest here, he talked about Ichocanazol.

• 17:38Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, and deal with that.

• 17:40Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. But one of the thing about those type of pharmaceutical drugs is that it's great. It works really well. And for people who are having over colonization, they'll mold. Ichocanazol is a great option.

• 17:51Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 17:52Speaker 00

  Unfortunately, it actually causes hepatotoxicity. At the same time, it actually inhibits cytochrome P453A4 enzyme, which is vital

• 18:01Gary Brecka?

  In the cholesterol transport chain.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  Oh, no, cytochrome P450, which is a

• 18:04Gary Brecka?

  Cytochrome P450.

• 18:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, which is a phase one metabolism, right? So major drugs out there, statin drugs, for instance, diltiazem, which is a blood pressure medication. Those drugs are metabolized by cytochrome P453A4 enzyme. So when you have a patient who is actually on those particular drug, which a lot of people do, right? And especially we talk about mold actually increases cholesterol production in the body.

• 18:30Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 18:31Speaker 00

  These commonly actually are on statin drugs. You cannot put Ichocanazol on those patients right away. So you either have to take off the statins and then add in the Ichocanazol for a short period of time. But because of the hepatotoxicity issues, you gotta do it for a short burst. You cannot be putting on a patient for six months straight. So this is the reason why, instead of actually going after those things, you gotta fix the vital point. What is that? Your gut function, right? There's a condition of mold in your gut. And we could talk about why later, but that's something that first you have to do. And then while you're doing that, you try to lower the actual mold burden in the body. And then once it gets lowered enough, that's when you start to work on these systemic issues with mycotoxins there.

• 19:14Gary Brecka?

  So what would be, what are some of your go-to tests for somebody that's having the types of symptoms that we've been talking about on the podcast? Brain fog, chronic gut issues, weight gain, water retention, poor focus and concentration, hormone imbalance, because a lot of these are estrogen mimetics.

• 19:35Gary Brecka?

  They're gonna go and get a standard panel and they're gonna get told they're fine.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  You could still a standard panel. There's a lot of story that could be told from a standard panel.

• 19:44Gary Brecka?

  High cholesterol.

• 19:45Speaker 00

  Not even just that. The issue is that the conventional medicine right now does not know how to read functional blood work correctly. So there are blood panels in terms of the ranges and then there's the functional ranges and there's optimal ways into looking at the blood work correctly.

• 20:02Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 20:02Speaker 00

  So you could tell about the story that the person's going through, but another thing is that you have to look at the biggest question is, what are you trying to find? Right? So we talked about your mycotoxin, for instance. So standard lab that I look to look at is a real-time lab, urine mycotoxin testing.

• 20:20Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 20:20Speaker 00

  So this is something that looking at the metabolite of the mycotoxins that's coming out of the urine. There are certain limitations. There's no perfect test out there, but that's a gold standard that I am to recommend.

• 20:31Gary Brecka?

  Okay, I'm gonna put a link to that.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that's number one thing. And I'm also looking at, looking at organic acid testing. Why? We want to look at the mitochondrial dysfunction. How's the Krebs cycle functioning? So looking at lactate, pyruvate, right? You're also looking at the glutathione production as well. We were based on the organic acid test and you could also looking at your transmitters. So these patients oftentimes very burnt out, low dopamine levels to begin with. So you gotta work on their, your transmitters. But it's not the point is giving more supplements. You gotta get them outside to get the sunlight, UVA, right into the eye. Actually helps to create that natural dopamine the body really needs. And oftentimes when you deal with mycotoxins, they have photophobia.

• 21:14Speaker 00

  They have very high levels of sun sensitivity issues. They get burned very quickly. So you gotta build up that sun callus, but it has to be the focal point and just getting the circadian rhythm really balanced there. So that is one of the things that we could talk about later. But organic acid test is really vital and important. The next test we're looking at is a comprehensive stool testing. I like to use a Bible Wellness Gut Zoomer 5.0. We're looking at the full spectrum in terms of their gut inflammation markers. You're looking at the colonization of the actual bacteria, looking at some of the pathogens, especially you're talking about like parasites.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  All the things like Citrobacter and other types of E. coli, other infection type of it, you want to rule out whether that person's dealing with small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Because if they actually have SIBO, most likely they have SFO as well. Small intestinal fungal overgrowth in the system. So you have to look at the comprehensive sense of it. By also looking at how well the gut is able to produce short chain fatty acid.

• 22:16Gary Brecka?

  And as soon as somebody gets SIBO, they put on high doses of antibiotics and just buying themselves a problem down the road.

• 22:21Speaker 00

  Huge. And you cannot use probiotics too much in this scenario. Oftentimes, if you're using the right supplements at the wrong time, you get hurt very bad. Right? And this is a part where use of the right probiotic, but also use of immunoglobulins is very important. So there's a company called Microbiome Labs. They produce immunoglobulin G, so IgG. It actually is a binder that actually binds to selectively for E. coli, strep, Enterococcus, Laper protein saccharide, which is LPS. Which is a biotoxin itself that E. coli produces.

• 23:03Speaker 00

  And then the other aspect is it actually binds to some of the mold colonization of it. So that's a more gentle way into getting the gut function back. And then really looking at utilizing spore based probiotic there as well. Because that's less reactive on the patient dealing with SIBO. But the spore based probiotic actually acts as an antimicrobial to deal with bacterial overgrowth the person's dealing with. So you have to do a more of a step by step approach into the sequential ways into getting these issues. Instead of actually just throwing the whole thing at the person and trying to see what sticks.

• 23:35Gary Brecka?

  So we've done the test for the secretions from biofilm. We've done a gut stool test.

• 23:42Speaker 00

  But there's no perfect markers out there to looking at biofilms. There's none. I mean, there are muscle testers out there who are very talented to check if the person's dealing with biofilms. But when you're dealing with over colonization of mold, there's always a play. And then there's all the multiple infections, there's always play of biofilms. And if you actually look at their person's history, if they grew up having... Strep throat issues, including that ear infection. They had years of taking multiple antibiotics for a year, for a long time. There's definitely biofilm issue as well. So you got to understand that that is an integral, integral part of the entire protocol. But there's no perfect test out there to check for that.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  I wish there was, but so that's how we, so that's the reason why a lot of doctors, including functional medicine practitioners, they don't often miss that part. Right? That, that is vital, but they often miss it. So I was looking at it, so all right, so what is, how's a person's history? How's the function person's happening? But also, how reactive are they? If they actually are reactive in terms of food, chemicals, especially if they go on a Uber, for instance, and then they actually have a car fashion in there and they're getting reactive, they're having brain fog, they're wiped out for two days. That person has major issue dealing with MCAS, which is mass activation syndrome issues, hypersensitivity, but also play the fact that there's a big play of biofilms that's happening there.

• 25:07Gary Brecka?

  Hmm, right. You know, it's, it's also important not to go too far too fast with these patients. You know, I've, early in my journey in functional medicine, when we opened up our clinic, you know, we, we, a lot of people were coming in for weight loss. This is pre GLP ones.

• 25:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:25Gary Brecka?

  One of the things I noticed about very obese patients that go through rapid weight loss is they become so toxic. Migraines, rashes, you know, crushing fatigue, like fatigue where they can't even get out of bed. I'm not talking about somebody who loses 15, 20 pounds. I'm like, somebody's going to lose 100 pounds, 150 pounds. And the release of these toxins without fixing their detox pathways, which is something that I, I learned, was, was kind of fascinating to me because, you know, there, there are a lot of these toxins that are trapped. In these fat cells. And the same thing is true when you start going after some of these infections,

• 26:08Gary Brecka?

  especially sporulating infections, infections that are just creating these biofilms. That in and of itself becomes another toxic load.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  Huge.

• 26:16Gary Brecka?

  Right?

• 26:16Speaker 00

  It actually causes more activation of the immune response. So that could be a big problem. So for, in case in point, talking about mold itself, like mycotoxin is lipophilic. It actually lodge into fat cells a lot more readily and the tissues itself. So that's why when you're doing a urine mycotoxin testing, let's just say a person's obese. They've been chronic exposed to mold toxins in a moldy house. Oftentimes, when you're doing urine mycotoxin testing, their levels of mycotoxins are very low. Sometimes you don't even see it. So what's going on? The fat is basically holding on to that. So you need to really do a provoke urine testing to get the urine mycotoxin out. So you've heard of provoke urine testing for heavy metals.

• 27:00Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 27:00Speaker 00

  Same thing in this scenario.

• 27:01Gary Brecka?

  I didn't know you could provoke it for.

• 27:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. So what you do is you want to utilize minerals and bioflavonoids to metabolize mycotoxins and getting that out to the kidneys. So use of melivudin, for instance, is great to metabolize gliotoxins. You actually have resveratrol and turmeric, so another good bioflavonoid is in there. So there's a company out there, the company name is A-Lite. My mentor, Dr. Jill Krista, she formulated that thing, that entire supplement just for mycotoxin purposes. And I use it a lot. And one of the key supplement that I utilize now is called a Color Guard. Utilized all those things in there to help to metabolize mycotoxins so that you get the patient for about two weeks prior to collecting urine. So that you get a proper reading on it.

• 27:48Speaker 00

  So that's one way of doing it. There's some doctors who.

• 27:50Gary Brecka?

  And those are oral?

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Oral.

• 27:51Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  There's some doctors who utilize sodium butyrate, for instance, which is why. Sodium butyrate is a chemical chaperone. It actually. Removes the DNA adduct of these microtoxins that binds to the DNA, removes it. Right? So that's another topic that we could talk about too. But this is a really integral part of why mold is not just about the immune dysfunction or having allergies. It actually causes mitochondrial dysfunction deep into the cellular level.

• 28:18Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  Down to the DNA. So when you affect the DNA, it actually affects the epigenetic expression of the actual tissue in itself. And the reason why, especially for women, why is it that they're dealing with a lot of things like lupus? We're talking about Hashimoto's, right? So these are all interplay in terms of why these type of DNA adduct changing the epigenetic expression of the cell and the tissue itself resulted in an actual disease state that we see it right now.

• 28:45Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 28:45Speaker 00

  Right? So there's always a root cause.

• 28:46Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, and, and you know, I, I, I've seen so many of these. So when, when someone has this suspicion, they do, they, they do these tests. You know, you, you said that you did the IVPC, the phosphatidylcholine, or the PK protocol, similar to the PK protocol. I, I've done that too. I had some clotication in my veins, so I stopped after a little while.

• 29:09Speaker 00

  Oh my god, my, all my veins are completely collapsed.

• 29:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 29:11Speaker 00

  I had to go through 14 IV sessions using IVPC and it's very, it's, it's great. You know, you get your mitochondrial function back very quickly. It's just, it's very caustic for your veins.

• 29:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 00

  So every.

• 29:22Gary Brecka?

  And it takes a long time to come back.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:24Gary Brecka?

  It's not, you know, life threatening or anything.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  It's not.

• 29:26Gary Brecka?

  It is, it is a little unnerving when you look down and they're all, all hard and you can kind of roll them.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:31Gary Brecka?

  And you go, I feel like that's a clot and if that leaves, you know, am I going to?

• 29:36Speaker 00

  It's not gonna happen that way, but yeah.

• 29:37Gary Brecka?

  No, it doesn't happen that way.

• 29:38Speaker 00

  You get scared initially.

• 29:39Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's also, um, you know, IVPC is great. Now, the issue is that when you're looking at the entire phospholipid complex, you're not just talking about phosphocholine. You're talking about phosphinositol, serine and.

• 29:54Speaker 00

  Ethanolamine as well, so four different lipid, I'm sorry, phospholipid complex that we're seeing. So when you look at a cell membrane structure, for instance, about seventy percent of the cell membrane structure, the outer membrane especially. So when you, audience out there, people don't know what cell membrane is, is a bilateral structure of your entire cell, right? And that bilateral structure dictates into how nutrients go in, waste going out, and then as well as that cell membrane potential to allowing different hormone changes and functions and everything else that goes on. So it's vital for the cell membrane to function well. Unfortunately, dealing with mycotoxins and mold in general, including other biotoxins, just like Lyme, it actually damages the cell membrane integrity.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  So specifically mold, for instance, it actually causes lipid proxides. So actually, and then also depletes the cardiolypin in a part of the membrane as well. And then when you're looking at the structure in itself, it, the early stage of cell danger response is the mitochondria's role to cause a lockdown of the particular cell by increasing phospholipid production inside the cell to lock the cell in. And this is the issue where the lack of cell-to-cell communication that goes on, but that's the early sign of cell danger response. And why people are stuck in this process? And why it is so vital that you work on that cellular halt by utilizing these types of special lipid

• 31:24Speaker 00

  to actually help reverse these things as well.

• 31:26Gary Brecka?

  Can you describe what cell danger response is?

• 31:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure. Cell danger response.

• 31:30Gary Brecka?

  Sounds terrible.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  Yes. So cell danger response was a term coined by Dr. Robert Navio. He's an MD PhD out of UC Davis. And he is still working right now and really doing, he has a different metabolic lab that he does a lot of things. And he's able to prove into what his theory was at that point in time. And he explained why certain disease states, especially like autoinspection disorder that he was working a lot with. Why these patients are stuck in their healing process? Right? Everybody goes through a cell danger response, right? You woke up, that's a cell danger response.

• 32:05Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 00

  Right? You waking up, your cortisol levels shoot riding high and you gotta do all these different things. That's a cell danger response. Everybody goes through it. But why is it that some people going through a certain case scenario? And I call it the Humpty Dumpty effect. The reason being is the Humpty Dumpty is sitting on a wall. It's fine. But if someone comes in or some wind or something comes in and poke them aside, he falls over, his shell completely cracks. And that's how unstable people are right now living. And unfortunately, COVID happening. It blew up the lid in terms of how unstable these people were to begin with. So that's why a lot of people dealing with long COVID sequelae issues right now. So that's all side of cell danger response. So why, what is that?

• 32:48Speaker 00

  It is, cell danger response is a evolutionary protective mechanism that the cell actually had built into the process to protect itself. From what? From biological issues like mold, bacteria, fungi, talking about parasites, including viruses. And then all the things like physical trauma issues, right? Could be TBI, traumatic brain injury, for instance, or other things like UV radiation. There are other things in terms of psychological traumas, in terms of emotional or PTSD, for instance. And then there are chemical stressors like heavy metals or glyphosate, right? All these different things.

• 33:29Speaker 00

  But these are causing that much of stress onto the cell in itself. So instead of the mitochondria making ATP, now it's actually shuts that ATP production down, shuts oxidative phosphorylation, goes to complete defense mode. So this is where mitochondria dictates in terms of how the body's gonna shift. But if the stress response is overwhelming, I talked about the toxic bucket effect, right? Everything's later in. If that response is overwhelming, the mitochondria cannot get back to homeostasis. And then it's completely in that on threat mode.

• 34:06Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, that sympathetic state, that fight or flight state.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  So when you think about like a fire alarm, for instance. It's keep on turned on. Doesn't know when the fire was gone, but still keep on turning on. This is the reason why people who had removed themselves from a moldy environment, for instance, they're still sick because the overall cell danger response has not been resolved correctly. Resulted in a amount of chondro dysfunction and they're consistently sick in dealing with autoimmune disorders, brain fog, fatigue problem, et cetera. You could do all the NAD you want to do. You could do all this analytics, all these different things, but if you have an unresolved issue cellularly in dealing with toxicity, you cannot biohack yourself out of that. You gotta resolve that cell danger response correctly.

• 34:52Gary Brecka?

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• 35:35Gary Brecka?

  put it anywhere. I've got one on my balcony. I've got two in my bathroom. So this is why cold life is my favorite cold plunge on the market. So click the link below and you can order yours today. Make sure you get the ultimate human version. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. And how do you start resolving the cell danger response? Because I would imagine that you're going to solicit some of this cell danger response just by going through the detox process.

• 35:58Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 35:59Gary Brecka?

  And so as we detoxify and we go after these biofilms and eventually go after the bugs themselves, there's going to be a period where people may get worse before they get better.

• 36:09Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 36:09Gary Brecka?

  Right? And you try to manage that by not going too fast, by having this graduated approach. In fact, you call it, which I thought was absolutely genius, the encore method. The environment, the nervous system, cellular integrity, which virtually nobody talks about. You know, Dr. Pampa, and there's few other leaders in this area. Optimized detox and rebalancing the microbiome. I think what happens is most people skip the ENCO and go right to the R and start rebalancing the microbiome.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 36:42Gary Brecka?

  Because they think as soon as you have gut dysbiosis, this is a probiotic flora issue, and therefore just probiotics, maybe some digestive enzymes. But the truth is that you're not getting rid of the toxins and the biofilms. And what's truly at the root cause of this, even preventing heavy metal detox, which is going to allow heavy metals to build up, and even interrupting the methylation cycle for the proper use of light metals, right? Which is the way that we, you know, methylate and incorporate light metals like magnesium and zinc and B12. So, you know, once you've disabled or impaired this process, you have to repair that even

• 37:27Gary Brecka?

  before you restore the gut microbiome. And I love that you put that at the very end. You know, because first you clean the terrain. I've been using this analogy so much on my podcast because I think it just said in such a clear picture, when a fish gets sick, the first thing we do is clean the tank, right? And because it's so obvious. When you're looking through murky water, it's full of algae, you know, it's full of dirt, it's cloudy, you understand why the fish is sick. But when you're looking at a human externally, you can't see the cloudy water inside. And so, we don't think about cleaning the tank. And this approach is a very restorative approach. I would love to actually just walk through the Encore method.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 38:09Gary Brecka?

  Because I think it's a great foundational framework for identifying, removing the toxins, rebuilding the body's damaged cell membranes and phospholipid bilayers, and then fixing the gut microbiome.

• 38:23Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 38:23Gary Brecka?

  So, can you walk us through this?

• 38:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely. So, the reason that I came up with this particular Encore method was after learning and diving into the whole cell danger response method, when you look at Dr. Robert Navio's work on cell danger response, it's very complex. And it's very difficult for you to take that information and put into clinical use of it. And so, I was just thinking like, what can I do to utilize this correctly for people who are dealing with biotoxin issues? Like, if it was me back in 2015, if I had a particular methodology...

• 38:56Speaker 00

  What would I do differently? The first thing was basically the environment factor there, right? Environment, if you are stuck in the same environment that made you sick, you're not gonna get better. No chance. I always say that. Right. You cannot out-biohack on that part, right? The environment is the best thing that you could actually into fixing. And this part is often difficult. The reason being is you live in a house where it's very moldy. It could be costly. It could be costing you $5,000 to remediate, up to $150,000 or more, right? So people who have limited budget, that becomes a very triggering issue. So you gotta, you gotta, first off, what you need to do is you need to calm. You need to really settle down in terms of, all right, so what are the issues that we're dealing with right now? Where are the most problematic areas? You need to find the right testing company to come in

• 39:40Speaker 00

  and assess the overall damage of the actual issue at the house. So I recommend a company called We Inspect. We Inspect. We Inspect, great company too, that's nationally recognized. And they are one of the pinnacle in terms of looking at how proper mold testing should be done at house. It's not just about air sampling. That's the worst you could do, doing air sampling tests in the house. Because depending on whether air is being stagnant or being flowing, that mycotoxin testing is gonna be affected, right? Also, that's the reason why I prefer going with more surface testing. The reason being is mycotoxin especially rise on the dust particles like a carpet on a ride.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  So that's where mycotoxin settle in. So this is where, when you wanna looking at the overall sediment of the mycotoxin burden that goes in the house, you're looking at that. So Ermi testing is a good one to looking at. And there are other testing companies that you could do as well on your own, if you like to. Doesn't give you the overall comprehensive issues because it doesn't necessarily check for like water damages behind the wall, for instance. So a company called The Dust Test is a great one that I like to utilize. Dust Test. Okay. Yeah. It's like $279. You could do one sampling of the area to figure out, all right, so how much of a mycotoxin issues I'm dealing with. Right. Right? But it's just gonna give you some pictures. But this is where you gotta have to work with a professional company to look at that. Okay. The second thing I would also recommend, if you could hire the same people that does it, great,

• 41:09Speaker 00

  but building biologist. Why? Non-native EMF.

• 41:15Speaker 00

  Why is that? And I'm a strong believer in this part now, more and more. The reason being is, why is it that people are getting sicker and sicker even though we have advanced in medicine and such? I mean, you could talk about food, the glyphosate and all these things. But when you look at the bombarding issue, dealing with the cellular stress that we're dealing right now with non-native EMF, it's over than anything we could actually fathom now. Compared to what it was 100 years ago, it's much, much greater. So you're looking at reducing that non-native EMF exposure, especially hardwire everything in the house. Maybe you want to reduce the exposure dealing with wifi signal. Cell phone signal is another problem too, right?

• 41:56Speaker 00

  So you gotta get in terms of removing that, but that could actually oversensitize a person who's dealing with hypervigilance state. Like for instance, if you're dealing with MCAS, I think you have Dr. Damsian recently.

• 42:08Gary Brecka?

  Amazing.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I mean, she's a foremost authority in the topic of MCAS. But when I see clients with MCAS issues, it's not the fact that

• 42:17Gary Brecka?

  That's mast cell activation syndrome.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  It's not the fact that the mast cell is triggered by mold, but it's just the over-responsive cell danger response that has gone wrong, that the body's in that hypervigilance state. And you gotta talk about non-native EMF. That's the really important factor.

• 42:36Gary Brecka?

  What do you mean by non-native?

• 42:37Speaker 00

  Non-native EMF, so especially talking about wifi, cellphone signaling, right? There is going to be EMF naturally, right? There's always different cosmic rays that actually occurs up in the sun, everything else in the universe. But when you talk about these non-native EMF that is artificially driven and built because of today's technology that we actually have, is bombarding our cells. And non-native EMF issues, what it does is cellularly, it actually impacts, it liques the cell membrane, number one. Number two, it actually activates the voltage calcium ion channel. So you have an influx calcium going into the cell and then dumping out magnesium. So you have all these people who actually been taking magnesium supplements, they can't get it up, they cannot get it better. Why?

• 43:21Speaker 00

  Maybe they're getting overexposure to non-native EMF and mold issues that you're not even aware of. So anytime looking at the environment factor in terms of the encore method, non-native EMF is one of the top things I tell people to do. And then second thing is blue light toxicity issues as well. So obviously, I'm every blue light blocking gases.

• 43:40Gary Brecka?

  I usually are wearing mine too.

• 43:43Gary Brecka?

  What happened to my glasses, guys? Are those yours? Now I need to wear them. Give me those fat actors. All right. Thank God.

• 43:54Speaker 00

  So, blue light, if you... Blue light actually affects methylation.

• 43:59Gary Brecka?

  Not anymore?

• 44:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, but think about it. People who are dealing with already MTHFR issues to begin with, and then they are already getting bombarded with different types of environmental factors. And then you're getting the issue dealing with blue light toxicity. It overwhelms the response. Why? Because blue light affects the methadone pathway. So you can't methylate well. So, all this discussion about methylation, all different things. Listen, you're the first one that's been out there speaking a lot about methylation. I appreciate that.

• 44:29Gary Brecka?

  Thank you.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  But in a scenario like a person dealing with hypersensitivity issues, you gotta look at the environment as well. Not just about the whole environment.

• 44:37Gary Brecka?

  You know, I've been learning this, you know, the last two years especially. And I'm always trying to evolve. And there were those cases where... Because we had about 200,000 patients that came through our functional clinic. And I would say the majority of them, healthy young adults that were dealing with some challenges there. You fix methylation, and there was some shift in the positive direction. Sometimes dramatic shift. Other ones, there was no change at all. And sometimes they would start over-methylating the... Have negative consequences. Those are the ones that I really started to focus in on. And in the last 24 months, I'm starting to realize

• 45:20Gary Brecka?

  that it's more than just methylation, right? And that it's... You can see the genetic breaks, which makes them susceptible. But it doesn't guarantee their outcomes, like the epigenetic model. But now that I'm further down the rabbit hole on these environmental toxins, that was the missing link in our practice, that we hadn't quite closed the gap. You know, we got the ball like 80 yards down the field. We just couldn't move it that last 20 yards. In a lot of people, and they were very resistant. To treatment. And this has a lot to do with what you're talking about. You know, this has a lot to do with.

• 45:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 45:59Gary Brecka?

  Toxic load.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  And then there's another issue where over methylation you just mentioned before.

• 46:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 46:03Speaker 00

  So, so in my practice, what I do is instead of actually going after methylation first, I'm looking at the methyl, a methyltransferase choline pathway. So if you look at that pathway itself, it's part of the whole homocysteine cycling. If you look at that, what the, what is body producing? Fossil choline and creatine.

• 46:20Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 46:21Speaker 00

  So if you supplement those two, right? It puts less stress on the homocysteine pathway. Person is not overreactive.

• 46:29Gary Brecka?

  Leaving more methyl groups for homocysteine to methionine. And, you know, the, the other big one that we uncovered was the SAW. You know, not this, this hyper homocysteineemic symptoms, not coming from hyper homocysteineemia, but coming from elevated N-succinyl homocysteine. And that's a very difficult one to test for, at least it has been historically. Because of the stability of how you have to keep the, the sample and everything else. And that was, that was another big key that we unlocked. But what you're saying is supplement for the methyl groups that are being overutilized in the homocysteine pathway, so that you can leave more of that methylation cycle

• 47:14Gary Brecka?

  for the recycling of homocysteine, which has its own set of, of consequences. Most of these hyper homocysteineemic patients, in fact, above a certain level. We saw hypertensive, you know, results because of the vascular constriction. We saw all kinds of, you know, you know, consequences. And it's actually rarely tested even on cardiac panels.

• 47:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:35Gary Brecka?

  You know, we're all looking at C-reactive protein and CK and, and, you know, the classic markers, but not looking at what could be irritating.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 47:44Gary Brecka?

  Those pathways.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, so these are things that we are looking at there. And then looking at the environment, more factors in terms of the person's trauma, how the relationship they are living inside the house. Are they living in an abusive household? How's their work environment? All those things are really important there. Generational trauma is a big one, too. Right. So this is part of the E. The N of the encore method, dealing with nervous system regulation. Oftentimes because of the microtoxin causing neuroinflammation. These patients are in a hyperdriven, hypervigilant, parasympathetic nervous system. So how do we create that parasympathetic? One of the things that worked out really well for patients, and you don't need to spend a lot of money on it, and there is a company that supports this. I do heart math breathing, called a heart coherency breathing technique.

• 48:30Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 48:30Speaker 00

  So you probably heard of box breathing technique.

• 48:33Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. And heart coherence too.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, so heart coherency. Why there's such a different thing is that when you're doing that heart coherency breathing technique, it creates the coherency state from your heart to your brain. And that actually helps to calm a lot of the issue dealing with mast cell, immune dysfunction, and then much more in terms of the hypersensitivity the person dealing with. So how do you do that?

• 48:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I was gonna say, can you just grab this first?

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Very easy. All you need to do is close your eyes and then focus on the sense of your heart. And then afterwards, you want to focus on what is making you happy, joyful, and grateful about. So when you think about those three positive things, what it does is shift your overall brain state into coherency based on the positive affirmation and thoughts. And while you're doing that, you're gonna breathe into the nose five seconds.

• 49:25Speaker 00

  And you're gonna exhale out five to seven seconds.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  Inhale to the nose again.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  Exhaling out.

• 49:39Speaker 00

  One more time, inhale.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  Exhaling out.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  And that is it.

• 49:49Gary Brecka?

  Better.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's all I do. And so what I also recommend patients to do is I give them actually, it's called a heart math device. It actually checks for your coherency state between your heart and your brain. It's a five feedback device. You just put in your ear, and the company called HeartMath actually sell this.

• 50:05Gary Brecka?

  HeartMath?

• 50:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, HeartMath. So that's an institute that trains physicians and clinicians out there to doing this particular breath work and managing of nervous system regulation by creating coherency state and not only affecting positive waves into the body. But also working in terms of deep rooted issue to the trauma issue as well. Why? Your heart actually is another nervous sensory. Has 40,000 different nerves stemming from the heart. And then is able to take in all that information and bring it to your brain. Not the brain to the heart itself. So you think about person dealing with trauma issues, hypervigilance state, all these different things. Once you create the coherency state in the heart, a lot of symptoms end up having to disappear. I'll give you a perfect example.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  I had a client who actually lost her son 18 years ago. Had a boating accident. The son fell off a boat. Watched the son die. She constantly dealing with hypervigilance state, anxiety, et cetera. Was affecting her life. And she was not ready to do, to work with me. And I do work with clients one on one.

• 51:08Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  And all I did was taught her how to do this particular breathing technique. Her resting heart rate used to be 90. After six weeks, her resting heart was at 60.

• 51:17Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. Crazy. I couldn't even believe it. That, that particular change. And one thing that you start noticing is that the person's face completely changed as well. Why? Cause they're not living in the stress response state anymore. They're in a coherency state.

• 51:32Gary Brecka?

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• 52:16Gary Brecka?

  Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  So this is the reason why when you're working with people dealing with body toxins, it's so vital that not only you work on the environment, work on the nervous system.

• 52:26Gary Brecka?

  I love that.

• 52:26Speaker 00

  Because environment, nervous system now affects your cellular health. Right? Your mitochondria is not just about making ATP. Immune system as well. So it's not just about making ATP. Mitochondria is a sensory organelle is able to dictate everything that goes in the body, including the mitochondria dictating just how you methylate, also how you detox, but also how you heal.

• 52:49Gary Brecka?

  So fascinating, the interconnectivity. You know, I've always said that some of the worst experiments that we do are when we take structures out of the body, cells out of the body, what have you, and we look at how they behave in a laboratory. And then we assume that when we put them back in the body, they're going to behave the same way, way, and they don't. I mean, because cells are like human beings, they behave in communities, you know? And you know, there's something psychiatry called the herd mentality, right? And when you're in a crowd, if the crowd starts surging and everybody just starts running one direction, you'll just start running. You don't even know why. It's like everybody else is running. And this is the way that cellular activity influences other cells and how metabolically healthy cells can become metabolically sick because they're in an environment with other

• 53:33Gary Brecka?

  metabolically sick cells. And it's kind of analogous to this herd mentality. And maybe nothing that we can do would touch the entire system simultaneously as things like heart coherence and getting our autonomic nervous system out of this sympathetic state into a parasympathetic state, you know, as a singular intervention. I can't think of anything that has more of a systemic effect and more of an immediate effect.

• 54:04Speaker 00

  Exactly. And one thing that I learned more and more about, you know, cell membrane medicine is that cortisol especially.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  Push the body to producing phospholipase A2 enzyme, which ligates a cell membrane. So the higher stress response you're dealing with affects the cell membrane. Right? So like the works of Dr. Bruce Lipton, for instance, and he talks a lot about the mindset and the feeling and how that affects the cellular health. It's all connected there. And it's really vital there. So one of the things that I do, obviously, we talked about the lipid membrane medicine. The first thing I help people to do is getting your circadian rhythm balanced. That's the first thing. Right? So that light day cycled aspect of it has to be really dialed in. So I actually utilize an app called MyCircadian. It was actually formed by my friend Sarah Kleiner. And that particular app tells you when the daylight,

• 54:55Speaker 00

  a daybreak is going to be occurring to get that person out the door, getting that initial start of that blue light emitting from the sun and the infrared. The infrared affects positive changes within the overall mitochondria function.

• 55:09Gary Brecka?

  And this is the first, what, 45 minutes?

• 55:11Speaker 00

  I would do about 40. Obviously, you know, people have busy lives and, you know.

• 55:16Gary Brecka?

  I'm not saying 45 minutes outside. I'm saying within the first 45 minutes of the sun cresting their eyes, what they call first light.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  I would recommend the first thing. So for instance, like we're in Miami, obviously. And the daybreak for this morning was at 6:45 a.m. So I usually like to go out between, you know, within the 10 minute window of that time.

• 55:35Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 55:36Speaker 00

  So start to getting that blue light emission there.

• 55:38Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 55:38Speaker 00

  So once you start having that blue light and this first light, it actually helps to lower cortisol response. Right? Also helps with proper fatty acid metabolism and metabolic process. But another thing that the sunlight does is, obviously, you know this, our mitochondria makes its own water. So that structural water that occurs in the cell.

• 56:00Gary Brecka?

  Gallons of it every day.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  Right. And that structured cell, structured water is a vital point in doing cellular detox.

• 56:07Gary Brecka?

  I wonder if if the stress response increases the production of deuterium.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  It does.

• 56:12Gary Brecka?

  It does.

• 56:13Speaker 00

  It does.

• 56:13Gary Brecka?

  We know that destroys the the the crop cycle.

• 56:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, so so you know, sometimes that is very hard to discuss with with clients, but I started using a company called Light Water. So so you have five percent million is one good thing to start with. You don't want to do too high of a deuterium depleted water too fast. I mean, that causes another level of issues because now you're dumping everything out.

• 56:34Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 56:35Speaker 00

  So you got to be very careful with that. Another water that I started using is Gerald Steiner.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  Sparkling water at the supermarket. So the higher the altitude of the water sourced, the lower the deuterium stake.

• 56:49Gary Brecka?

  Ah, I did not know that.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that's really vital.

• 56:51Gary Brecka?

  Deuterium water is hard to get a hold of. There's like a place in, I want to say Bucharest.

• 56:55Speaker 00

  Bucharest is one, but then also one part of Mexico, Tijuana.

• 57:00Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 57:00Speaker 00

  There was a there's a crater. I might be wrong on the location, but there was one parts of Mexico where the meteorite hit that area. So that there that area is depleting deuterium depleted water source there. So a lot of these mitochondriacs apparently go down there.

• 57:20Gary Brecka?

  Did you just make up a word?

• 57:21Speaker 00

  No, no, no, this is this is a term that that's a term by actually Dr. Jack Cruz.

• 57:25Gary Brecka?

  I've heard of hypochondriacs, but never mitochondriacs.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  Mitochondriacs, yeah. Dr. Jack Cruz, I mean, he's foremost in terms of looking at this whole. You know, cellular health and looking at circadian rhythm, but no, it's it's really the powerful part. Even like deuterium is very important to when you the studies out also. I think it was six weeks into drinking deuterium depleted water was able to reverse type two diabetes.

• 57:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, no, I I've I've read these studies and and deuterium, you know, our bodies make this intracellular water and. And estimates are as high as 100 gallons a day. When you start telling people that you make 100 gallons of intracellular water every day, they go, that's impossible. I only drank a half a gallon of water. We make it the same way we make it in space. You take two hydrogens, one oxygen, you slap it together, you have a water molecule. So we're not capable of drinking enough water to feed our mitochondria. So we manufacture this from a gaseous state. And when you add this extra proton, it becomes heavy water, or deuterium. And deuterium, when it enters the Krebs cycle, is like the Tasmanian devil. It breaks it. And yeah, I've been talking

• 58:32Gary Brecka?

  about this and been a fan of it for a long time. Because and stress and other things, we produce a lot more deuterium water. There's a lot of evidence even that keto dieting and being in a ketotic state increases the production of deuterium depleted water.

• 58:50Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 58:50Gary Brecka?

  It makes, it does.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  It does, yeah. And then certain things like seafood, for instance, like oysters, wild-caught fish. So the cold water fish and seafood are great for deuterium depleted food source. Eating things more seasonally based on where you are is really important. So anytime we're with these type of biotoxin clients, you probably could ask about, you know, what kind of diet is good for you?

• 59:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Paleo-based seasonal diet.

• 59:13Gary Brecka?

  Paleo-based seasonal diet, love that.

• 59:15Speaker 00

  The seasonal, why? Because depending on where you are, that sun codes a different message into the food. And that actually helps to empower your mitochondria to function well. It's not about picking up avocado somewhere up in the North Pole. That's not what you want to do.

• 59:31Gary Brecka?

  Right, right.

• 59:31Speaker 00

  You don't want to eat banana in the middle of a winter either. That actually impacts more on the cellular function there. So you could do all the biohacking you want to do.

• 59:38Gary Brecka?

  Fascinating how we were just designed to be in sync with nature.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 59:44Gary Brecka?

  You know, and Western medicine has been using, or Eastern medicine has been using forest bathing and things for centuries, very effectively. And I always say, if something has been around for centuries, like acupuncture, what have you. It's probably because it works, right? Things don't last 5,000 years that don't work. And I think our reluctance is to put our faith back in the basics. You know, very often because, you know, we believe a lot more in what man makes us than what God gave us. I mean, you even are a leading expert on drug induced mitochondrial dysfunction, which I find a whole, should do a whole podcast on just that. I want to finish the encore method. So we went through the environment, we went through the nervous system.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  Cellular health right now.

• 1:00:24Gary Brecka?

  Cellular health.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  So a big question about the circadian rhythm and why it's an important part. Grounding is another thing that you could definitely do, really impact there.

• 1:00:30Gary Brecka?

  Love it. I'm being so vindicated right now.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, so really impacting those of doing that.

• 1:00:34Gary Brecka?

  You watching this?

• 1:00:34Speaker 00

  Why? Because that, that overall grounding actually increased redox potential to cell membrane. Right? So all those things there. So the next, and then while we're doing that, we could incorporate doing like lipid membrane medicine. So phospholipid, so Body Biopc specifically, I recommend all the time.

• 1:00:51Gary Brecka?

  I just take it prophylactically every morning.

• 1:00:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Gary Brecka?

  You know.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  With that too, but I, when I work with clients who deal with biotoxin issues, generally what I would recommend is around, you know, 10 to 15 mL of PC liquid from Body Bio.

• 1:01:03Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:01:04Speaker 00

  So that's one of the vital thing. But when I work on cell membrane, I'm looking at in terms of how these biotoxins cause DNA damage. So DNA adduct we talked about.

• 1:01:12Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  And we talked about how butyrate actually act as a chemical chaperone.

• 1:01:16Gary Brecka?

  And most of us are so butyrate deficient, we're not getting enough fiber, we're not getting enough soluble fiber, insoluble fiber.

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  And you could do a stool analysis to see that the short chain fatty acid production is down, keystone bacteria down. So all these things are affecting your butyrate production. And butyrate is vital to protect your DNA. Not only about digestion, not about feeding your colonocytes, but really impacting the DNA function.

• 1:01:40Gary Brecka?

  Correlated links to cancer are mind numbing.

• 1:01:42Speaker 00

  Absolutely. And butyrate also actually affecting positive change in your metabolic process, especially glucose, right? So GLP-1s especially, right? All those are things. But one other thing about the DNA adduct I mentioned before is that these things like aflatoxin, even mercury, heavy metals, these things end up binding to the DNA structure, change the epigenetic of how the particular cell is supposed to function. And these are the reason why you're chronic disease states. What butyrate does is acts as a chemical chaperone, cleaves that off. And then you have phospholipid, like PC for instance, comes in sweeping that while helping to mend the actual cell membrane structure by adding in that. And this is where the other things like bioactive oil, like Bounce Oil from Body Bio.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  Adding in linolase, which is omega six, and alpha linoleic, which is omega three, help to restructure our cell membrane. Adding in gamma linoleic, like evening primrose oil, help to further decreasing the inflammation pathway, right? Adding in things like special pro-resolvent mediators, right? So SPM-based fish oil is really vital there. So body biology has a protocol, resolvin. And why am I adding SPM? Is that in the early stage of cell danger response, I mentioned about the ATP production is not there anymore.

• 1:02:53Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:02:54Speaker 00

  What the mitochondrial chondrodoze is, it dumps out that ATP out of the cell to act as a extracellular ATP. Is something called a DAMP. It's a danger-associated mediator property.

• 1:03:07Gary Brecka?

  DAMPs and PAMPs.

• 1:03:08Speaker 00

  So that signals to all the cells that there's a danger going on. Well, thing is, everything in terms of the body is a frequency.

• 1:03:14Gary Brecka?

  We talk about herd mentality. Here's the actual mechanism that it's creating. It's poisoning its environment.

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. So DAMP situation is unresolved issue that goes on. So what the body does is taking that extracellular ATP and then turns into SPM. Our body produces own special pro-resolvent mediators, SPM, to shut that inflammation down. And oftentimes, with an ongoing inflammation, that SPM reserve goes down, right? So this is where getting proper fresh cold water fish is very important and just adding into a particular diet. But I like to using SPM as an actual supplementation to resolving it. And then the other part that I mentioned before, the cell membrane and how the DNA adduct, well, these type of mycotoxins also causes protein misfolding, right? When you have protein misfolding, that in itself affects how the tissues

• 1:04:04Speaker 00

  and proteins are being synthesized. So how do you resolve that? Adding in totka, which is secondary bile salt, relieves pressure on the endoplasmic reticulum as a de-stressor.

• 1:04:17Speaker 00

  But also helps to unfold the protein misfolding properly. So this is how you able to get the cellular impact damage from the microtoxins there.

• 1:04:26Gary Brecka?

  Makes so much sense.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  This is a really important point. Then you start working on the optimize the detox pathway. Specifically gut function has to be number one.

• 1:04:32Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  You gotta be establish bioflow as well.

• 1:04:35Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  And mold and microtoxins, it actually affects bioflow. Specifically mold, for instance, like aflatoxin, ocartoxin and trichothecins, for instance. Those end up having to impact something called cytochrome 7A1. So I talked about the cytochrome P450, 3A4. Well, there's a particular enzyme called 7A1, which is needed as a rate limiting step for bio production. Unfortunately, mold affects that.

• 1:05:03Gary Brecka?

  So it reduces the secretion of bio?

• 1:05:06Speaker 00

  Production of bio, right?

• 1:05:07Gary Brecka?

  Production of bio.

• 1:05:08Speaker 00

  Production of bio. And then the other part is there's a transport chain called B-SAP, which is a bio salt export pump. And that particular pump gets shut down by microtoxin as well. So you cannot produce it and you cannot even get the prop bioflow going on. So this is where people cannot get to do the natural detox they're looking to do.

• 1:05:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  So this is why adding in-

• 1:05:29Gary Brecka?

  Impairing fat metabolism and all kinds of-

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  Correct. Even estrogen metabolism there. So like when you're doing a comprehensive stool analysis, I see that the person's beta glucuronate is elevated. That's a number one sign that there's mold and there's a bioflow that's affected. So they're recirculating, basically.

• 1:05:44Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 00

  Retoxifying the entire body because of lack of bioflow happening.

• 1:05:47Gary Brecka?

  That makes so much sense. And then rebalancing the microbiome.

• 1:05:49Speaker 00

  My biome. So this is where the proper use of antifungals is really important there. I mentioned about the spore based probiotic, but antifungals, I would recommend decreasing the fungal overload in the body. Then working on the microtoxins. And there are different herbals like golden thread, milia, all the different types of things, including olive leaf. And then the last part is the use of pharmaceuticals. And I don't say not to, I use it at the last. I'll recommend using it to conosol for about two weeks just to get the internal conization deal with mold permanently. And this is where oftentimes when I work with clients, about five to six months, they're able to reverse their microtoxin issues there.

• 1:06:29Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  Unless they're dealing with hypersensitivity issues, but some of the minor, non-complicated issues, they tend to get to recover from mold and microtoxin issues within five to six months.

• 1:06:39Gary Brecka?

  That's fantastic.

• 1:06:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Gary Brecka?

  Wow. I hope that you'll come back on the podcast again because I would love to do an entire deep dive on drug-induced mitochondrial dysfunction. I would love to. Because I think the, the leading scientists in, in longevity and aging now are inside the mitochondria. We've actually found like the deepest tip of the root and we understand that most of these bugs, mold, mycotoxins, parasites, viruses, heavy metals, at the end of the day, they are all disrupting this critical organelle and the consequences of that are so vast. There's such a myriad of consequences and even in the functional medicine space, we, we still do chase these consequences instead of getting deeper, deeper,

• 1:07:26Gary Brecka?

  deeper down into the mitochondrial function. So I'd love to bring you back to even just do a whole deep dive on that.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  May I add two things there?

• 1:07:31Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:07:32Speaker 00

  So one thing, you talked about the drug-induced mitochondrial dysfunction. It's something that I'm always passionate about. I'm also passionate about pharmacogenomics. This is why I looked at the whole cytokine P450 enzyme structure.

• 1:07:43Gary Brecka?

  That's what your PhD is into.

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  One of the things that was interesting when I was looking at the mycotoxin is that we have some drugs out there that are derived from mycotoxins, right? So there's a drug called mycophenolate. The, the brand name is called Cellcept. They utilize a particular drug for kidney transplant patients so that you don't have a organ rejection. Well, that mycophenolate, that's a drug name derived from mycophenolic acid, which is a mycotoxin itself.

• 1:08:09Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:08:10Speaker 00

  So utilizing mycotoxins to derive the particular acid, that's how powerful these mycotoxins are of causing immunosuppression. Reason why a lot of times when you're seeing, I'm questioning there's parents out there listening, kids who are dealing with constant strep issues, right? And colonization dealing with these things, they are derived from mold, especially aflatoxin, ochratoxin causing that problem.

• 1:08:33Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  When you're having chronic UTI issues also. Why? Because mold and mycotoxins unfortunately affect the mucosal lining of the bladder. Right? And then you have a higher issue dealing with UTI.

• 1:08:47Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 1:08:48Speaker 00

  Right? So why is that the woman dealing with chronic UTI issues and they're trying to get to the root of it? They use multiple antibiotics and I can't do it. Mycotoxins.

• 1:08:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  Specifically, citronin and ochratoxin.

• 1:08:58Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:08:58Speaker 00

  Those are the big ones that I see.

• 1:08:59Gary Brecka?

  Those are showing up on everybody's urine test. You know, we do a lot of vibrant total toxicity testing and that one is always pegged on there.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  And the second thing I want to add is that this is where the enhancing the resiliency part is coming. As you start to increase that redox potential in your cell membrane, a lot of issues deal with mold, parasites, and all these different type of toxins is none of an issue anymore. Reason why is you built that cellular resiliency and that negative ion charge and then the electric potential in the cell membrane, your body's mechanisms to repel those out. Unfortunately, we are losing that ability. And I think, and I strongly believe it's because of the environment is one thing, but I think it's none of the VMF issues and blue light issues. That's bombarding our entire system that the body doesn't have that.

• 1:09:48Speaker 00

  So this is the reason why when I work with clients and I jokingly say this is this is that at some point, I don't want to ever see you again.

• 1:09:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  Right? It's not because I don't like them. It's just that I want you to be self-reliant on yourself to be the right doctor. I want to empower you to be the best doctor for your own. And this is one thing that I'd like to teach and this is why, this is the reason why part of the encore method is enhancing resiliency. Cellular resiliency, that is.

• 1:10:12Gary Brecka?

  Love that.

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:10:13Gary Brecka?

  Love that. So I wind down all of my, we're going to go into my VIP group because these are the guys that I let know ahead of time who's coming on to the podcast. They, they know that you're coming on. They've got a whole list of questions for you.

• 1:10:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, so the questions.

• 1:10:26Gary Brecka?

  Um, I want to get to my VIPs, but, but I always wind down my podcast by asking every guest the same question, which is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? There's no right or wrong answer to this.

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  Of course not. The ultimate human is, is to have cellular resiliency.

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  To live your full life to your potential that God has given you.

• 1:10:48Gary Brecka?

  Wow, I love that to have the cellular resiliency. Hear that, guys? The cellular resiliency. I love it. Thank you so much. Dr. Kim, for coming on the Ultimate Human Podcast. I have a feeling that you're going to be a regular guest. Such a paucity of expertise in this area and, and even though you provided the scientific background, I think you made it understandable for my audience.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:11:09Gary Brecka?

  And we deeply appreciate that. And guys, until next time, that's just science.