Bonus Episode: Gabby Logan

We’ve got a very special bonus episode for you to brighten up your Monday morning! The fabulous Gabby Logan joined us for lunch and a game of Secret Santa courtesy of Deliveroo. As well as giving each other amazing gifts, we also learned that Gabby grew up in a sporty household, trained as a rhythmic gymnast in her youth, loved trying all the different French foods in Paris for the Olympics, once cooked dinner for Mary Berry, she (fondly!) remembers the bad gift her husband once got her, and tells us all about taking Jessica Ennis to a Barry’s Bootcamp class! Thank you to Deliveroo for the gorgeous gifts, and thanks to their speedy service you can have gifts at your door in as little as 25 minutes! #Ad Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:03Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum in my kitchen in New Cross.

• 0:08Speaker 01

  Hi darling.

• 0:08Jessie Ware?

  How are you doing?

• 0:10Speaker 01

  I'm fine. I've got a bit of a croaky voice, but I'm fine.

• 0:13Jessie Ware?

  And yet again, we are matching.

• 0:15Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 0:16Jessie Ware?

  No, I don't know what, maybe this means that we are so connected.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  So connected. Psychically connected darling.

• 0:24Jessie Ware?

  But first things first, let me tell you, this episode is brought to you by Deliveroo, which you're going to find out is your perfect gifting partner this festive season. You're not only going to get an episode of Table Manners with a fantastic guest, this is also rather festive today, isn't it mum?

• 0:38Speaker 01

  We're preparing for Christmas darling and you're going to find out that Deliveroo isn't just about getting a delicious meal, which we use it for. It's also about getting your Christmas shopping done, delivered right to your door.

• 0:54Jessie Ware?

  I actually couldn't live without the Deliveroo app, I don't think.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Neither could I.

• 0:57Jessie Ware?

  I constantly use it to get supermarket groceries. However, this has been the biggest game changer, that now I can also do my presents and get them on the same day. Seeing as this episode is brought to you by the wonderful Deliveroo, we thought we'd play a little game of secret Santa with today's guest. So if you're in need of a bit of present inspiration, then this one is for you. So who's on the episode today mum?

• 1:21Speaker 01

  She's a bit of an icon.

• 1:22Jessie Ware?

  Absolutely.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  In the sports world. She is blonde.

• 1:29Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  A football pundit.

• 1:31Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  Probably my favourite football pundit.

• 1:33Jessie Ware?

  She also does coverage of all the world's biggest sporting events.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  She covers lots of sporting events.

• 1:38Jessie Ware?

  From?

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Her knowledge is amazing.

• 1:41Jessie Ware?

  From the Champions League, from Champions League coverage on TNT Sport to Olympic Games on BBC, she does everything.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Everything. She knows lots about sports. She's kind of got sports heritage. She's the daughter of a footballer, Welsh footballer, Terry Yorath, and she's married to a sportsman.

• 2:02Jessie Ware?

  And she was also a former rhythmic gymnast who represented Wales and Great Britain. It's Gabby Logan and we're so excited to have her. We've wanted to have her for years. So it's perfect that we're doing this and also that we're getting a present from her. Perfect, lovely. I have been cooking, but I think I've made a mistake on what I've made.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 2:21Jessie Ware?

  It was a New York Times, I got the email, it said you're gonna die for this amazing recipe. I didn't actually look at the kind of thing where basically I'm gonna be cooking whilst you're chatting.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:33Jessie Ware?

  Which is slightly annoying, um, but I'll get on with it. Um, so I'm doing Andy Baragani's sticky miso salmon bowl. It does look delish. It's like this marinade that you do with honey, miso, grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  You haven't marinated anything.

• 2:52Jessie Ware?

  You don't know what I've done, Lenny, it's marinating right now.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  I've opened the salmon.

• 2:55Jessie Ware?

  I have, I have tried to destarch the sushi rice. And it's still cloudy, so who knows, we're probably gonna get crappy rice. Um, and you serve it with radishes, avocado, seaweed and, uh, spring onions and bussies.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Seaweed from?

• 3:11Jessie Ware?

  Nori sheets.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Oh, the sheets of it.

• 3:14Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  I like eating those, well.

• 3:16Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I can give you one, Lenny. So we're having that and then I've made, um, apple stem ginger galette. Because I actually can't do puddings and I'm gonna put some apricot jam on the top of it that you put in the, um, microwave to kind of glaze it and then serve with crème fraiche. It's, it's, it, it will be fine. I think actually she's at the door now. Gabby Logan, coming up on a very special Deliveroo Table Manners episode.

• 3:49Jessie Ware?

  Gabby Logan.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Oh, hello.

• 3:51Jessie Ware?

  Thank you so much for coming over here.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Oh, thanks for having me.

• 3:54Jessie Ware?

  Cause this is quite a schlep.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  No, it's not, it's lovely.

• 3:58Jessie Ware?

  And it is, and you did come in with, um, I don't know, something in the universe told us all to wear red. I don't know whether it's because we knew we were doing a secret Santa or something, but, um, yeah, we all were in red at the beginning, you've stripped off because it's getting hot in here. So thank you so much for, um, coming. How are you? You've already like recorded a, you've already done about a day's work.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Did a, did a sports agents podcast this morning, uh, in Leicester Square. So I, I like, uh, you know, if I'm working, I kind of wanna keep that energy going. Not that this is work, I mean, this is a treat.

• 4:30Jessie Ware?

  Okay, yeah, you're right, it is nice.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Yes, and she's researched tomorrow night's game.

• 4:35Jessie Ware?

  Well, we're recording this just before United and Arsenal play.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:40Jessie Ware?

  And you're covering it.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Yes, it's the prime, yeah, so it's, it's, research is kind of ongoing in my job, you know, you don't just, I never just sit down and do an hour. You're always reading things and picking things up that might feed into the next thing you're doing. So I don't, if I've got a bit of time, like twenty minutes, half an hour, where I'm waiting somewhere, I just, I'm reading up, basically.

• 4:59Jessie Ware?

  I, I mean, we're United fans and it's quite.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Heads are red.

• 5:03Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, yeah, sad times for us.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 5:07Jessie Ware?

  But it's, I mean, maybe we're coming out of, yeah, no, but it's not fab, yes.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Fabre.

• 5:13Jessie Ware?

  Fabre.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  I think you're on the turn.

• 5:16Jessie Ware?

  Do you, do you really, do you think?

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, definitely.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Marcus was smiling.

• 5:20Jessie Ware?

  Mum, you need to, Marcus, Marcus needs to stop having a problem.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  No, he's stopping.

• 5:27Jessie Ware?

  Good, great.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  I can see.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  He's scored three goals already.

• 5:30Jessie Ware?

  That's great, so I'm happy and I'm happy for you because you think he's your son.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  And we've also got, I think, the most handsome manager in the Premier League.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, he's certainly, he's, he's, I don't want to objectify him.

• 5:41Jessie Ware?

  No, I do.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  But, but he's got a lovely face.

• 5:45Jessie Ware?

  charismatic.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  And.

• 5:46Jessie Ware?

  Have you interviewed him yet?

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Not yet, although I'll be interviewing him tomorrow. He's, he's sat down with my colleague for about an hour the other day, which is, sometimes post-match, you can't get the full measure of somebody. When you sit down with them in an environment a bit more relaxed like this, you see a bit more and Mark said he was great and was really polite to everybody on the set.

• 6:02Jessie Ware?

  Oh, we like that.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Which you don't always get.

• 6:04Jessie Ware?

  You've already been on the Tube today.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:07Jessie Ware?

  Um, you've had two, four, some twins on the Tube, so, um, that were entertaining you, four-year-olds, making rude words out of.

• 6:14Speaker 02

  Tube stations.

• 6:15Jessie Ware?

  Yes, and you have twins.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:17Jessie Ware?

  And yours are, how old now?

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Nineteen, but mine are, these, these two this morning were identical boys. Mine are a girl and a boy. And I did say to the mum of a very boisterous boy, that I, we, we often thank our lucky stars that my boy came with a girl, because.

• 6:31Jessie Ware?

  I know.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  If I'd had two of him, I don't know if we'd be together. Not me and him, me and his father.

• 6:37Jessie Ware?

  Um, can we start at the beginning, round the dinner table? Where were you? Um, who was round the dinner table when you were a child? And what were you eating?

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Were you born in Wales?

• 6:49Speaker 02

  No, I was born in Leeds.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  So my dad was playing.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  But he was playing for you, yeah, I remember.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  And I'm the eldest of four, and so there were three of us born very quickly. So I can't ever remember being around the dinner table without the others because my mum had three children under the age of twenty six. So we were a quite um, a young family, you know, but my mum was, I think she had me at twenty one. So she, she got, um, she got engaged before her twenty first birthday, which always blows my mind, you know. Especially as I've got a daughter who's gonna turn twenty next year. And my dad, being a footballer, wasn't always there at regular times, but evening meal, he was there mostly. And if he wasn't playing a midweek game, so we would always eat together. We were always at the table.

• 7:33Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  There was always um, a placemat and, you know, linen and the table, not necessarily a tablecloth, but there was, it was always an occasion. And it might not have always been the most incredibly kind of gourmet meal, but it was, um, it was home cooked. It was always home cooked. So post-school, you know, every night of the week, we'd all be doing different sports and different activities. But then we all would come in and eat together. And that's something that I really valued from my childhood, I think, and is something that I was non-negotiable for me with my own kids that. That's, you know, we didn't have TV dinners as a kid, so therefore that was not gonna be something that my kids did. So I think it is that communication and that shared passion for food and for.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Your learning about your lives from each other, if you've got busy lives, it's just the best thing that you can do, I think, for kids.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  And did you talk about sport?

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we were a very competitive bunch because as kids.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  So you were playing.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I was doing my sport, my brother and sister, because I think the older three of us, I've got a younger brother. My brother Daniel died, but he was gonna be a professional footballer. So he was doing football, my sister was doing gymnastics, so we'd always be talking about what we were doing and bragging, you know, with each other, but also competing with each other. Um, and my. Parents would, the conversation could go anywhere really, actually, you know. Often, I think I look back and my dad was quite a polemic, so he liked to stir up things. So. If I'd say something as a precocious twelve year old about politics, he'd throw something back that we'd have a disagreement. We once had an argument in a restaurant in Spain about something, oh, it was about me wanting a pair of shoes. And he said, he said, I'll buy you these shoes. If you um eat all the mustard in that jar on the table.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  And there was a jar of mustard like this, and my mum was going, no, Terry. And he said, she'll do it, she'll do it. So I started eating the mustard, like, obviously decanted it. Started eating it and my mum in the end, because I was obviously going green and my mum was going, no, she, you could have the, and they were like, about ten quid these shoes. They were just like a little trainer or something.

• 9:30Jessie Ware?

  You wouldn't give up?

• 9:31Speaker 02

  No, because obviously I, yeah, my sister and brother looked on kind of horrified that I was, I was prepared to do this for these shoes. Which we still laugh about now. And eventually my mum kind of intervened and was like, no, she doesn't have to eat any more mustard, it's fine. Um, so, yeah, there was quite, quite, quite robust.

• 9:48Jessie Ware?

  Fun, loud, yeah.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Would you, where was your mum, your dad's from Wales, proudly Wales.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  And where was your mum from?

• 9:55Speaker 02

  She is from Leeds, so they met when he.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  Yorkshire.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, she met, they met when he, she, her mum had a cafe opposite Elland Road. She was doing her A levels and she used to work in the um cafe occasionally and she served some of the Leeds players after school and my dad had. Been asked to go to an event and he didn't think the girl, he was seventeen, he didn't think the girl he was seeing would have been a good guest because she smoked. So he's asked my mum if she would go. No, first of all, he asked my mum to iron his trousers for the dinner. He said, have you got an iron? He brought in an iron in this cafe. And my mum said, no. And he said, well, would you come with me to the dinner instead? And so it was kind of a weird um way of, yeah, asking somebody out. But um, but yeah, they um, they had a uh kind of strange coming together, but then obviously.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  That's very young.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Very young. The manager of Leeds at the time, there's a guy called Don Revie, and he quite liked his players to settle down as quickly as possible. Because he felt it was going to somehow give them a stability and home life that was going to be conducive to being more focused at work. So. He also did things like he would send the wives gifts and flowers on significant dates, birthdays and things, so that he. Kind of so told them that they were part of this journey, so.

• 11:06Jessie Ware?

  Did that mean a lot to your mum, you feel?

• 11:08Speaker 02

  She certainly mentioned it a lot and talked about it in, you know, kind of growing up. I knew these stories, so it clearly did. Resonate with her and the other women that I feel feel they were. I mean, they they always joked that they were the original wags and, you know, she still has dinner with two of the wives from that era.

• 11:25Jessie Ware?

  Is that who you support, Leeds?

• 11:26Speaker 02

  No, I'm accidentally a Newcastle fan.

• 11:29Jessie Ware?

  Why?

• 11:30Speaker 02

  I love your mum, she's she's so horrified.

• 11:33Jessie Ware?

  Why? Where did you get from Leeds to Newcastle?

• 11:37Speaker 02

  When dad was moving around, we left Leeds when I was four, and then he went to Coventry, then he went to Vancouver, no, he went to Spurs, then he went to Vancouver, and then he came back to. Coventry and then we were all over the place.

• 11:47Jessie Ware?

  Did you travel with him?

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you following all the time, usually a few months late, so mum packing up houses and selling and moving on. And so you're following his club, I was doing my sport and not really always able, as I got older, to go, but always following his team. So then when I went to university, I went to Durham, he was managing Wales, and of course, Wales don't play every Saturday, so I was missing that team to follow on at the weekend. And I started going to Newcastle United and then I started working in local radio in Newcastle and covering Newcastle United. It was the Keegan era, difficult to not, I mean, if you you go to Newcastle, every single person in the city, on on being born, on coming out of their mother's womb.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  Is given a Newcastle shirt, I mean, they're literally, the whole city is mad for the team and it's impossible not to get swept along.

• 12:35Jessie Ware?

  It's such an interesting stadium as well, because it's kind of smack bang, it kind of emerges.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  It's a citadel, it's it's that high, wherever you are, you can see it, you're coming on the train and it's there and. I often stay at the Gateshead side, the um Hilton, if I'm doing the Great North Run or something like that, and. My view of the window is always the Time Bridge and Newcastle United and St James's Park, and I think it's just one of the most iconic views, such a beautiful river and it's such a. I love the city's industrial past, how it kind of feeds into the architecture and feeds into the bridges and it's such a vibrant city, so I'm very, yeah, I'm I'm. Sad that I can't go a lot because of work and distance, but I'm I'm really glad I'm connected still to a place that means so much to me.

• 13:14Jessie Ware?

  Did you ever resent your dad's job?

• 13:17Speaker 02

  No, I don't think so. I think we realised at quite a young age that we had quite a different upbringing to his. He was from a very, very working class, hardworking family in a council estate in Cardiff and sport was a way out for him and um and so I think when we go back and visit my granny there, we realised that our life was a bit different. We were not like Premier League footballers are now, but we certainly had a much more middle class life and upbringing to the one that he had. But he never forgot his, you know, his family and his roots and everything, of course, but and my mum, the same, you know, she was, she always told us about her first cot being the bottom drawer of his chest of drawers and, you know, and having no bathroom in the house and that kind of thing. So they both were kind of, I suppose, aspirational young people, working hard and

• 14:01Speaker 02

  and hard work was at the kind of core of everything that they did. But we realised that we went on maybe more holidays than he'd gone on and we had a nice house and, you know, had um the the the kind of doctor things, but we had the things they didn't have as kids.

• 14:17Jessie Ware?

  Um now we're gonna play a game. This is the Deliveroo special episode and we are celebrating the fact that Deliveroo not only supply lots of delicious food um to our doorsteps, but they also have gifting now that people don't, potentially some people don't know about. So we're gonna play a game of Secret Santa. So producer Alice has given us all a piece of paper and we're gonna play Secret Santa. And what we're gonna do is we're gonna go open up and see who we've got. And then we're gonna go on the Deliveroo app and we're gonna go and choose a present. And by the time that we've had our lunch, it will be arriving at the door and we will all be gifting each other.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  I don't tell you.

• 14:53Jessie Ware?

  You, no, it's, no, it's secret. So this is not what I'd recommend at a dinner party to all be on our phones, however.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  This, in our house, this would be me going mental if anybody dares to get a phone out of the table, but this is an exception.

• 15:07Jessie Ware?

  Um so we're just gonna all quickly choose our presents, find the presents. Not on the high street or on.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 15:17Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Boots.

• 15:19Jessie Ware?

  Perfume shop, sure. There's a whole, uh, cause obviously it's location dependent, so there's Hackney Wick Company in Hackney for me, which is perfect. That's like a nice candle.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  You would, you would shop there anyway.

• 15:33Jessie Ware?

  Well, yeah. Oh, wow. They've got everything. They've got tech, beauty, children's bits.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  They've even got flowers, darling.

• 15:43Jessie Ware?

  Hmm. Oh mum, fancy renting a dress by her?

• 15:47Speaker 01

  I do, darling.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  That's a great idea. Within half an hour.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:50Jessie Ware?

  So if you turned up in the same colour as one of your co-hosts.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  I could then hire.

• 15:56Jessie Ware?

  You could hire a dress quickly.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Wouldn't it be fun?

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, we should have done that anyway.

• 16:00Jessie Ware?

  We should have done that because we, yeah, absolutely. Are you ready to select yours?

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:05Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine, I'm gonna select mine.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 16:12Jessie Ware?

  Right, presents have been ordered and they should be here in as little as twenty five minutes from Deliveroo.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Really?

• 16:18Jessie Ware?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  I wanna keep shopping.

• 16:22Jessie Ware?

  Me too. Are you a big shopper?

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Not in situ. So I do a couple of shops for work a year where I go and do like a mad day. And then I do another day of just getting, because I do so much tech.

• 16:35Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  And get loads of outfits ready so that I don't have to worry. So if I'm doing a World Cup or a Euros.

• 16:39Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  And I need twenty eight outfits or something, or Olympics or something. And then I, we get them all together and then that's it. I'm not, I'm not a great borrower from, you know, people like to borrow from designers and things like that. It's just too much faff. I've gotta get everything ready. So I, I don't, I don't kind of have time browse. Sometimes I have half an hour somewhere in between a meeting and I go into a shop and start touching things and feel like, oh, this is what it used to be like. I used to go into shops and see things and I do enjoy it. I just don't have loads of time.

• 17:06Jessie Ware?

  Are you a good present giver?

• 17:09Speaker 02

  I think I am because I think, I try and think about the person. I, I work on the basis that it's something that I would like to receive as well. So I don't, although it's for them, I think it's something of quality that I would want. So I don't give away, I don't re-gift. Loads of stuff that I've already got in the cupboard. I try and buy something. And I also like to buy these days a lot of, um, monogram stuff. So people know that you've, you've bought it in advance and not just bought it the night before Christmas.

• 17:35Jessie Ware?

  That's a really nice idea.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  So you've thought about it, but it doesn't always work out.

• 17:38Jessie Ware?

  Um. Have you ever been given a really quite awful present?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, um.

• 17:45Jessie Ware?

  Anyone you can?

• 17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, my husband, we we do laugh about this one, yeah.

• 17:50Jessie Ware?

  Go on.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  He he was way too generous this particular Christmas. It was our first Christmas together, I think, and the first thing was I woke up and this is gonna make him sound ridiculously romantic. We were in a townhouse and three floors of rose petals led down to a rose, uh, the guitar was I and then love you in roses. So the guitar was the present, right? Cause I kept saying to him, I'd like to learn the guitar, I'd like to play guitar, beautiful, black Yamaha guitar. So I thought that was it, right? So this is amazingly romantic, lovely present. Then I opened up some more presents. There was this gorgeous coat he'd bought me, then some rollerblades, right, which is and now we're kind of going in slightly satiric, random things. Then this piece of art, which I was disgusting, right? And not like anything I had in my house or anything I know.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Uh, but now we laugh about it because he's got this friend who we all agree has no taste and he said, but I bought it with Pete and I went, you went shopping with Pete, like you're mad. Like, nobody would buy anything in Pete's company. You just wouldn't. He, if, and he said, Pete said Gabby would. I said, what? He's known me like five minutes, so. Um, we do laugh about that particular, and we took it back and exchanged it for something we still have hanging on the wall, so, um, yeah, yeah. But that was such a random collection of gifts, right?

• 19:01Jessie Ware?

  I mean, that could have been like for five Christmases.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I thought, this guy's so generous, like just like, but also. And then you have kids.

• 19:10Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  And you're lucky if you get a teatowel. Um, but yeah, that was definitely the most, it was hard to hide my reaction. You know, when you open something up and you go.

• 19:19Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  What, what were you thinking about this?

• 19:23Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that's brilliant.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:25Jessie Ware?

  Um, what's your best gift that you've ever received?

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I think when, you know, I know it sounds like I'm being kind of humble and going, oh, it's just a little thing sometimes, but it is sometimes, those things that you've just mentioned and you haven't been dropping hints, but they've heard you and and they're like, oh, I thought this might make your life easier. And this is something that you've obviously wanted. And so it can be just so innocuous, like I had this. Old iPad cover that didn't go onto a stand. And he said, every time I see you struggling with that, I think you should have one of those ones that goes with, and that some things like that where your life is made easier by somebody.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Kind of thinking about you is almost as nice, isn't it, as, don't get me wrong, a tennis bracelet would be lovely.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Um, obviously, yeah, all those, all those things are great, but I think it's knowing that the person knows you, I think is quite nice, isn't it?

• 20:11Speaker 01

  What, what was Christmas like when you were growing up?

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Well, it's quite interesting because my working life now kind of replicates a bit of what I experienced growing up, because I'll be working on Boxing Day.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  So I'll be doing.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Does that mean we'll get drunk on Christmas Day?

• 20:25Speaker 02

  No, I'll cook and I'll have maybe a glass of wine or two, but I won't have what everybody else will be drinking.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  And I won't start until, I won't like be drinking through cooking or anything like that, so I don't have that full Christmas Day.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  What time do you have to leave the house on Boxing Day?

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Earlyish, half ten, eleven, but I've got to be groomed, you know, I've got to have washed my hair and have got up and make sure, I wouldn't like just run out the door because.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  It's too big a game and it's too big.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Which game?

• 20:50Speaker 02

  I'm doing Liverpool, um, Liverpool, Leicester on Boxing Day.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  So, you know, they could, who knows?

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Liverpool.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, at Anfield, so it's a bit of a journey as well to get to. So, and then the day after that, I'm at Arsenal again, so I've got a double.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Header. So my dad, being a footballer, would often be, um, leaving us on Christmas Day to go and play somewhere on Boxing Day. So I, I understand, I suppose, a bit more than other families might about that disjointed Christmas.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Was he in training when he was quite a young person? Did they have an academy at Leeds?

• 21:21Speaker 02

  They didn't have academies then. He left home at fifteen though, to go and be a Leeds player. Um, his story is quite sliding doors when it's really interesting because he'd got, he'd been sent this offer of a trial for Leeds United. Fifteen years old, got on the train, which those days from Cardiff to Leeds probably took about ten hours or something. Turns up in Leeds, does his trial for a week with a seven or eight other boys, and at the end of the week, uh, they were going to tell them who'd been offered a contract. And he was asked to clean the manager's office or the, the guy who was in charge of that week and on the, because they used to be given real hard tasks back in those days, you know, chores to do. They weren't treated like academy players are now, and he was cleaning the office and noticed a pile of, um, offers on the table. And so he couldn't help him.

• 22:00Jessie Ware?

  Was he there?

• 22:01Speaker 02

  No, he wasn't on contract.

• 22:03Jessie Ware?

  That's so terrible.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  There was another, another boy, and this other boy happened to be a twin. And when he was offered, his family said, not unless you take his twin. And they said, well, we're not offering his twin, we're offering him. So they said, well, he's not coming. So my dad got his place. And ended up kind of being the Leeds United player that he was then for ten years. So. Um, yeah, I mean, he might have made it anyway, and he might have gone somewhere else. But he wouldn't have been part of that kind of iconic Leeds team of the seventies, which is often, even now, people talk to me about. That team and, you know.

• 22:33Jessie Ware?

  It was an amazing team.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, so he had, and then he, after that, he left home and ended up being in, they used to have digs where they'd stay with the family. And had um, that for two years, living with a, a, you know, a woman who looked after a few footballers. And very hard for somebody at that age to be wrenched away from your family and not have that comfort of. That nurturing, I think. It's made you quite hard, I think.

• 22:56Jessie Ware?

  Can we talk about your sporting career? Because. You know, you, all your siblings sound, you were all very active. And it was, I presume, kind of expected, maybe? It was gonna be an active household.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  I think my mum tried to give us, we all did every musical instrument to grade one. We all did all, we did all the drama, we did all the.

• 23:15Jessie Ware?

  That's what I'm up to at the moment, yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  And she tried really hard for it not to be just sport, you know, and I remember her saying to me, and I don't know how she knew this, but. I was about ten and I wanted to give up doing Lambda or something, I mean, a drama exam. She said, oh, it looked good on your CV if you want to go to uni. Nobody in our family had ever been to uni. So I don't know why she thought that that was inevitable that I would.

• 23:33Jessie Ware?

  Cause she had high ambitions.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:34Jessie Ware?

  And Durham is like one of the best universities.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  It was a great one to go to, and she was very, and but she'd said to me once as well about, if you went to Cambridge, you might want to do footlights. Now, I honestly, to this day, have no idea how she knew about footlights, because she was this Leeds. Girl who nobody in the family had gone to uni. How did she know about that? And she, so she did have aspirations, I guess, for us, but not in a way that she was pushy. She just always said she wanted us to find our passions and, and put them all out there and say, choose something, do something, but don't do nothing, you know?

• 24:02Jessie Ware?

  So your initial passion was gymnastics?

• 24:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, all sports really.

• 24:07Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Gymnastics by accident because I'd really wanted to be a tennis player until I was about ten. We lived in Vancouver and I played loads of tennis and tried to pitch to my parents that I should move to Florida and go to Nick Volateri's camp.

• 24:18Jessie Ware?

  Oh wow.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  They're like, uh, no, um, you're coming back home with us after Vancouver.

• 24:22Jessie Ware?

  Was that the Venus Williams one? Yeah, yeah, right. He sounded like a character.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  And I'd seen this documentary and thought, this is utopia. You just play tennis all day in Florida.

• 24:31Jessie Ware?

  In the sunshine, yeah.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  And obviously it wasn't gonna be. So I came back and we lived in Coventry at the time and then we moved to Leeds. There were no indoor courts for public use in Leeds. So my sister was gymnast. I just kept following her to gym until the tennis courts opened and kind of never came back really. So it was an accident that I ended up doing more of it.

• 24:49Jessie Ware?

  I, I find that so fascinating from, because what I gather from watching like the Simone Biles documentaries and, and, and also seeing. My, my daughter's eight and she goes to a local gymnastics. It's, and it's very kind, but you can feel it's incredibly regimented and strict and.

• 25:11Jessie Ware?

  From what I s- see is almost quite lonely because you're basically against the world. Rather than being in a ti- you are in a squad, yeah, but that's similar with tennis.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Against the people who you're training with.

• 25:25Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Which is often hard.

• 25:27Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  And yet, two of my oldest, longest friends, and I'm godmother to both of their daughters, they've both got, um, one's got multiple daughters. Um, are from when I was twelve as a gymnast. So something.

• 25:38Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Connected there at that age.

• 25:40Jessie Ware?

  And you can see, uh, I presume you've seen the Simone Biles documentary. It's so fascinating seeing, seeing, uh, they adore each other, those girls. In the USA, Team USA and obviously Simone was seen as this, well, the, you know, the greatest of all time. But they, and she, yeah, but they, and they kind of accept that, but they, and they will err on, but also they. Achieve such great things too, but, um, I, I, I just, did you?

• 26:11Jessie Ware?

  It doesn't sound like it was your total passion and you fell into it.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it was, once I was in it.

• 26:15Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and what was your.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Falling and I absolutely loved it and I didn't want to do anything else and I was obsessed by it.

• 26:20Jessie Ware?

  And it was rhythmic.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Rhythmic gymnastics, which is much more balance hoops, clubs and balls, all of it's on the mat and it's apparatus and it's not in this country, it's not the strong suit of gymnastics, you know, it was, my heroes were, when I was fifteen, my heroes were Bulgarian or Russian. They were my absolute idols and I'd watch grainy kind of VHS tapes of them and then got to go see some of them live and, you know, and the eighty four Olympics when I was eleven was the first time rhythmic had been in the Olympics, but of course there was a uh boycotting by a lot of the eastern block countries, so Romania still went and the gymnastics team one was from Romania and I was, I was just obsessed. I just watched hours and hours of it. It gave me a real um in entry into classical music and music because we

• 27:00Speaker 02

  uh we could only use one instrument for our music, had very strict rules, so most people had piano and we used to have a live pianist at competitions in the old days.

• 27:07Jessie Ware?

  Oh my god.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Who played your music and could, if they were good, would see that you wanted to catch the ball on a certain note, so they would, it was amazing at the beginning and then I think that was quite an expensive indulgence, so then we were off tapes and um and then they allowed us to have non piano, so you could play, you could have a guitar piece or you could have a violin piece, so I'd spend hours in the local library going through the classical music sections at like thirteen years old, looking for single instrument pieces, so John Williams, the classical guitarist, was one of my go-tos and it was a very, um, my mum, my mum must have thought, she had this real quirky thirteen year old, because I'd be in my bedroom, playing all this, the McManonoff and stuff like that, going, does this work for a club's routine? And my sister was doing it as well, so we'd be in our bedroom with our apparatus, making up routines and I suppose it was a healthy obsession.

• 27:53Jessie Ware?

  That's amazing.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  It was an obsession.

• 27:55Jessie Ware?

  What was the colour of your outfit?

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Oh, that was not many. You had to have different ones for different routines and you tried to match the mood of the music with your, I mean, that was a real kind of.

• 28:06Jessie Ware?

  Did you enjoy that?

• 28:07Speaker 02

  I loved that bit.

• 28:08Jessie Ware?

  Did they have sparkles on?

• 28:09Speaker 02

  We weren't as sparkly as they are now, we had, because my mum wouldn't pay for these extraordinarily expensive leotards that came from the States and stuff, so me and my sister used to get these bog standard ones and then try and decorate them ourselves. But nobody in our family has been gifted with real artistic talent. So they looks, everything looked botched, everything looked, I used to try and copy these pictures and they just looked like a four year old had done them. So um it was quite sweet and naive.

• 28:34Jessie Ware?

  Whilst you carry on chatting, I'm just going to assemble the bulbs. I'm sorry that I'm kind of back and.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  I want to know, how many suitcases of clothes did you take to Paris?

• 28:45Speaker 02

  Uh for the, this Olympics has gone, um good question and my lovely, uh he was kind of a production manager, Lloyd, who works, uh he's sadly left, had worked on the BBC Olympic coverage for us. Was so kind in taking one of my extra cases out because we had to travel on train, they wouldn't let us fly because of um getting a thing called the Albert stamp, so make it more sustainable. And I thought, I can't take three cases on the Eurostar, and these are big cases.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Oh, you're not allowed?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Um, well, I just couldn't, how was I gonna get them all?

• 29:13Speaker 01

  You couldn't even carry them, yeah.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  So Lloyd, bless him, took one of them for me so that I could get all the clothes I wanted, because it's not just the clothes you wear, every day you've got a different outfit for the telly. But you also need clothes outside of telly, and I like to exercise when I'm away as well, so you've got all that stuff, so. Every single thing I took got used, I never waste, you know, a cubic centimeter, but um and I always take my own pillow as well when I travel.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Do you?

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Wh- why is it so special, your pillow, is it feather or?

• 29:40Speaker 02

  No, it's it's a like a Tempura memory foam pillow.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Um, I find if you have my pillow, the bed can be awful, as long as I've got my pillow, it doesn't matter what the bed's like, whereas if you have rubbish pillows, I I don't get, I fidget all night. So my pillow, I'm out like a light, so it's it's better than anything that I could take to ensure that I get a good, because often we're working weird shifts. You know, late nights, not getting your normal quantity of sleep.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  And what was the food like? Amazing.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  It was, and I I love Paris, and I've been quite a lot in the last year and eaten in some amazing restaurants. But we were very lucky because normally when you do sport in stadiums, you don't want to eat anything in the stadium, right? That's the food's rubbish, so you've got to take your food either with you or you order in something, and there was this incredible, kind of like a um. A Pokéball place near the hotel, but it wasn't really Pokéball because she had, this woman had all kinds of different things. And I'd just go and get these amazing dishes made up every day to the point where they told one of my colleagues the day before the Olympics finished. They said, can you tell your friend that we're not open tomorrow because I was such a regular. Um, that I became.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  So, um, having been in Paris quite a lot over the last couple of years and eating in some amazing places, I did feel that I was slightly, I don't know, I wasn't eating in all these. But we never had a chance to sit and eat at restaurants on these kinds of trips because we get back at midnight and you don't want to eat at midnight. And then in the morning, you're up, you're doing something and then you go and it's, so you sometimes you're in these incredible places and you never actually get to experience the city.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  How long were you there for?

• 31:14Speaker 02

  This time, only a couple of weeks, but I've been in various work trips and personal trips because my kids were eighteen last year. And we decided to do like a good four day trip to Paris for their eighteenth, so we ate in some amazing places there. I've got, they are real foodies.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  What was your favourite meal?

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Um, we actually went back, Lois and I went back to this restaurant, which was owned by a couple who is not far from Saint Germain. They, they were both bankers in London and they're Lebanese descent and they decided to set up the, the food they wanted to eat. And this is tiny restaurant, the kitchen is here, you can only fit about twelve, fifteen people in the downstairs section. And they are the only restaurant in Paris, I think the chef's mission is star, but they're the only restaurant in Paris where you can have every single wine on their very extensive list by the glass. That was their big thing.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  So, um, and I, the, the names are known, like midlife foggy brain, I just, yeah. Um, and I will tell you, they, they're great. So I, I've sent a few people there in the last year and they've all really enjoyed it. That was my favourite meal.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  And are you best mates with all the other?

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're really, we get on really well.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  So Claire Balding.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  So Claire, I don't get to see too much during the Olympics because she's on one shift and I'm on another. We'll be working together in two weeks doing sports personality of the year.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  I know, three women.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, with, um, with Alex as well. And so I love Claire, she's, she's so funny and she's such a professional, she's great, I love her. But, um, I work with Denise. Lewis at the Olympics, Jess and Michael and we have, we have a really good time, especially the girls because we spend more time together. And we, I was dragging them out, managed to get Jess to go to Barry's Bootcamp in Paris with me, which was hilarious.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  He's got to Paris?

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was doing Barry's in Berlin at the Euros this summer.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Good god.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  But it was so funny, waiting for a class at Barry's Bootcamp with an Olympic Tafton champion is hilarious because people were looking, because there's a lot of expat people in there and they were, I could see people going, it's Jess Ennis Hill, it's Jess Ennis Hill. But I'd booked us in with two of the make farters we worked with, and so I, everybody was called Gabby according to the instructor's list because I booked us all in. So he kept shouting something to Gabby, something to Gabby, and we realised that he thought we were all called Gabby.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Goopy.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, so at one point he said, well done, and we just all waved at him and he was, this guy was completely confused, especially the people that thought that was Jess Ennis Hill, they were kind of going, isn't that Jess Ennis Hill? But yeah, she's, she's great.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  So how did you meet Kenny, your husband?

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Oh, we met in a bar in Chelsea, a random, yeah, a real.

• 33:39Jessie Ware?

  That's quite unlike, that's fabulous.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  It was really random, just at the end of a night, he, he was with a group of players who'd been out that day, they played that day. My girlfriend I was with happened to be a producer at Sky who worked on rugby, knew them because she'd made a BT with them.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Oh wow.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  And she said, oh, I know those guys, I did the P T last week and, and I was actually chatting to somebody else and he came over and gave me a drink and just started chatting away. And then went around the corner and told his friend he was chatting up Gabby Roslin, so.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Another Gabby.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  And his friend came around the corner, Simon, and said, no, you're not, you're chatting up Gabby Yorath, she's a football presenter. And he went, yeah, I know, but Kenny is really dyslexic, so to this day, I don't know whether he just got his names mixed up. Or whether he genuinely thought the lady from The Big Breakfast was potentially going to be taken out by him the following week, so, yeah.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  And then he asked you out.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, he had a great chat up line.

• 34:35Jessie Ware?

  Can't tell it.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  So we ended up going over the road to this twenty four hour restaurant called Bancastra on the Fulham Road. And just having, it was a non alcoholic place. So we were sat there just eating and drinking hot chocolate or tea or something till about five in the morning. And we came out to get cabs home, there were four of us. And he put his arm around me because it was really cold, it was January. And he said, oh, I'm playing against Wales next week at Murrayfield. Would you like to come up and watch? And um, and I thought, that's a good, that's a good. And I said, I'm sorry, I'm going to Health Farm with my girlfriend. I can't make it. And he always laughs about how I, my, but I was, and I couldn't let my girlfriend down, you know. Anyway, I ended up watching him on the telly. He scored like loads of points and played brilliantly and he was man of the match. And I said to the girl, that's the guy. And she went, I think he is the guy. And uh, yeah, so there you go.

• 35:22Jessie Ware?

  Please start. And it may not, I made such a vat of rice, there is more. And it may need more salt, so I will not be offended if you need to put some salt on. Or it may be too much salt, I don't know.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Would this be um, a go to lunch for you?

• 35:36Jessie Ware?

  Mm, the salmon's delicious. It's some with grapefruit, a miso and grapefruit zest. I love a bowl.

• 35:45Jessie Ware?

  And I, um, would I, would I, yeah, yeah, I would actually. This was actually quite straightforward if I wasn't trying to do a podcast and chat at the same time. Um, but um, I do love a bowl. And maybe I kind of got it right because you like a poke bowl.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love, and I, I can't, I don't know how you do it. I really don't. I have such a marriage for you because I cannot, I love cooking. I can't talk to anybody, honestly. Barack Obama could walk in and I'd just say, sorry, I'm not, I know you're interested, but not now. Yeah. This is, this is a real skill to be able to chat.

• 36:18Jessie Ware?

  This is not my recipe though. This is a New York Times recipe. And I've been following this guy, Andy Baragani, um, on Instagram. And this works. This is tasty. Great, perfect, bit faffy, but fine.

• 36:32Jessie Ware?

  So Gabby, we ask everybody last supper. Starter, main, pudding, drink of choice. Would you like an alcoholic drink?

• 36:39Speaker 02

  Right now?

• 36:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  No, I'm fine, thank you.

• 36:41Jessie Ware?

  You looked quite shocked. You're more like an after meat, see, you're such a pro.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  No, I, I'm not very good at drinking during the day if I've got stuff to do. Um, also, I'm supposed to be going to my hygienist later, so she, she might have a, something to say about that. Um.

• 36:55Jessie Ware?

  You'll just have some seaweed in your teeth instead.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Um, so starter, I love, you know, Ottolenghi style, I call it Ottolenghi style dishes.

• 37:03Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Big, my favourite Sunday lunches are lots of big plates of different kinds of vegetables. Something maybe roasted, something, whether it's a fish or chicken, we're done with something interesting. And lots of bits that go with it. Um, they're my, that's my favourite kind of cooking. And it's also probably my favourite kind of food, really. So. It does, but if, if it's my last supper, then somebody else is making it, right?

• 37:28Jessie Ware?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Um, but to start, and this is so random because it doesn't go with it at all, but I don't think these courses need to match, do they? They don't need to.

• 37:37Jessie Ware?

  No, no, no.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  I love, and I never order it because nobody makes it well enough really in this country. Is a proper French onion soup. You know, with proper.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Made it on Saturday.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I mean, I can't just pop right into your house.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  And everyone went crazy for it.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Did they?

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:54Jessie Ware?

  Whose recipe was it?

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I made a combination recipe, Mary Berry.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:00Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  Um, and it was really good old fashioned.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  And I bought the stock in a jar from Marks and Spencer's and it was liquid.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Stock, it wasn't.

• 38:11Jessie Ware?

  Chicken stock, a beef stock.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Beef stock, and it was in a jar, a con, a beef consomme stock.

• 38:17Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  And it was really gorgeous, but bloody hell, it took hours, two kilos of onions.

• 38:23Jessie Ware?

  Everyone farting after.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the problem as well. If it's your last supper, who cares about the gas, right?

• 38:27Jessie Ware?

  Absolutely. So is that your starter?

• 38:30Speaker 02

  Well, I know it's a bit boring, but if I'm having all that other stuff, which I'm going to head.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  It's so delicious.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  And I quite like, I love, and also, you, if you do it properly with more cheese than you can possibly imagine, then it's not a healthy starter, is it? And I don't think that's a problem if it's your last supper. So go for it on the, um.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  She put mustard.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  On top, Dijon mustard before she put the cheese on.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  This is Mary?

• 38:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  I I didn't do that. I just put the cheese on.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  And gave two pieces of baguette and everyone loved it.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, loads of loads of lashings of French butter on a fresh baguette. That would be an absolute dream. I mean, before that, we could have had really interesting canapes, couldn't we, as well?

• 39:16Jessie Ware?

  Do you like a canape?

• 39:17Speaker 01

  I love.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  I do like canapes.

• 39:19Jessie Ware?

  I like it because it seems like such effort that I'm not doing. Do you know what I mean? I might appreciate that.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Especially when they're in my mouth, mini versions of whole meals.

• 39:27Jessie Ware?

  Yes, I love that.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  This is sensational.

• 39:30Jessie Ware?

  This is really good. I I can say that because it's um not my recipe, but I I would make this again. I'll send you the recipe.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Thank you. It's gorgeous.

• 39:38Jessie Ware?

  Would you like some more?

• 39:40Speaker 02

  No, I'm I I would like some more, but I'm gonna say no, because you've got, you mentioned the word pudding.

• 39:45Jessie Ware?

  I do have. Have you got a sweet tooth, Gabby?

• 39:47Speaker 02

  No, I'm not.

• 39:48Jessie Ware?

  You can just have a second bit of salmon if you prefer.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  No, you've made a pudding. No, I'm rubbish at um puddings.

• 39:54Jessie Ware?

  I am too, so let's see how it goes and then we'll go back to the salmon.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Cooked dinner for Mary Berry. She came to my house.

• 40:00Jessie Ware?

  Why? Are you friends?

• 40:01Speaker 02

  She's a neighbour and she um so she'd invited us round for dinner, just Kenny and I.

• 40:06Jessie Ware?

  What did she cook you?

• 40:07Speaker 02

  She did a very um her pudding is go backwards from the.

• 40:11Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  She'd made this apple flan type French tart thing, which was looked exquisite. It had all the apples were kind of fanned out and very.

• 40:21Jessie Ware?

  Okay, my one's gonna be a poor man's Mary Berry today, okay, so.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Knocked it up in about, I think, you know, she and she um and the main course was. It wasn't lamb. I cooked lamb for her because I wanted to do a traditional, which me did. She did a very traditional main course. It might have been a beef bourguignon, maybe.

• 40:37Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  And a starter was um a soup and she um.

• 40:44Jessie Ware?

  Maybe her French onion soup?

• 40:45Speaker 02

  No, it wasn't French onion soup. She did very, it made it all look like you have today. It was all very straightforward, very easy, whereas I had to book a whole day off work to prep for her dinner.

• 40:53Jessie Ware?

  But that is because it's Mary Berry, right?

• 40:55Speaker 02

  So do I. Because I just didn't want anything to get, and I, the kids were in the house, but they weren't sitting, which is unusual, but I just felt like she didn't really want. They were eight or nine at times.

• 41:05Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  So they were loitering kind of upstairs and then they came running in at the end and they, what did you think of mummy's dinner? And asked her to, you know, critique it and she was very sweet and um she said, well, I do know why I dip a pudding. Because I'm so bad at dessert. I did a cheesecake.

• 41:21Jessie Ware?

  Why is that so bad?

• 41:22Speaker 02

  It's such a cop out, isn't it? It's like offering biscuits or something.

• 41:25Jessie Ware?

  No!

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Um, but she liked it because it had a very crusty bottom.

• 41:29Jessie Ware?

  Oh, well done, no soggy tops.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  So she said, oh, and she asked me for the recipe for my, I did a salsa with this lamb and she asked me for the recipe for the salsa.

• 41:36Jessie Ware?

  Yes Gabby!

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, which um was the highlight of my life.

• 41:40Jessie Ware?

  I feel like you're just an overachiever, like you can't even think.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  No, no, I had to take a whole day off work to make minestrone soup for Mary Berry. I mean, I literally was that terrible and petrified. She's such a lovely woman and she moved out of our village um now, she lives further away, but um she, I did a book talk at Henley Festival. And she came and surprised me and sat in the audience and because she lives in that direction now, and do you know what, it totally curtailed what I talked about because I've got so much respect for her. I didn't want to make rude jokes, I didn't want to talk about kind of anything that I normally would and I, I kept changing my language to not be sweary or say anything rude in front of her.

• 42:17Jessie Ware?

  Are you quite sweary then?

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Um, I'm married to a Scot. They think the F word is just a punctuation point in a sentence. And so as a result, we can be quite sweary.

• 42:31Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that is the last of the delivery, um, delivery, so I'm gonna go and get them and then we can play Secret Santa.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Okay darling.

• 42:38Jessie Ware?

  Alice, producer Alice, can you please come and help us uh give out the presents?

• 42:44Speaker 03

  Gabby, this one's for you, I believe.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 42:49Jessie Ware?

  And Josie?

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Thank you, very much.

• 42:56Jessie Ware?

  Okay, Mum, you open yours first.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Oh wow Jess, thank you, did you get me there?

• 43:05Jessie Ware?

  I did get you it because I just know that you love it, Chloé perfume.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Darling, where did you get it from?

• 43:10Jessie Ware?

  The perfume shop on delivery.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  You're kidding.

• 43:13Jessie Ware?

  Yep. Um, you're next Gabby.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  I'm gonna open mine.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, Santander.

• 43:22Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Wow, that's such a treat.

• 43:26Jessie Ware?

  Thank you.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  And there's more, and there's more. Oh, spice clementine and pomegranate.

• 43:32Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Merry Christmas Gabby.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Yes, that is Christmas in a box.

• 43:36Jessie Ware?

  What is it, a candle?

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  And a box which has in it chocolate wonders. Oh, thank you so much.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  I just thought you needed to relax.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  You need to just chill the fuck out Gabby. Honestly, this is, this is my Christmas. You know, when I come back from doing all that football, say on the 28th.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  You're going to light your candle.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  I'll just light my candle, eat my chocies and maybe share that with Gabby.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Maybe, okay.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you so much.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Pleasure.

• 44:04Jessie Ware?

  Well, I guess Gabby, you got me mine then.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:06Jessie Ware?

  Okay, let's see what we've got.

• 44:12Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Who knew you could get clarins on Deliveroo?

• 44:16Jessie Ware?

  Oh my goodness, this is like a blimmin' showstopper. This is huge.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  It's called a showstopper, darling.

• 44:21Jessie Ware?

  Oh, come on, I love.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  I mean, that is doubling up as a handbag as well.

• 44:26Jessie Ware?

  What a clutch. Thank you, and I love miniatures.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Well, I just thought at some point you are going to get out the kitchen and go back on tour, aren't you?

• 44:32Jessie Ware?

  Yes, I am.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  So these will be quite handy for you.

• 44:34Jessie Ware?

  Oh, come on, thanks. We can, you can come again Gabby. Just going to put some of the lip perfecter on now, hang on.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Oh, perfect.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  That is absolutely perfect, perfect.

• 44:48Jessie Ware?

  Thank you. Now, listen, I'm going to put the pudding in the oven now.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:54Jessie Ware?

  Whilst I go back to the oven, Mum is going to get your last supper. Okay, so Maine, what do we do?

• 45:00Speaker 02

  So Maine, I would like a lot of dishes.

• 45:03Jessie Ware?

  Fine.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  That's all right.

• 45:04Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Just go for a big.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Autolengi type.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Type thing, so maybe some aubergines with pomegranates and some kind of curried yogurt with it. Then we'll have on the side, maybe some lentil. I know this sounds really healthy, but I just love the lentils with grilled tomatoes and oregano and stuff like that. Would you think for last supper I should be more indulgent? So here it comes.

• 45:26Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  We're going to have a massive fillet of beef. Uh, just the best ever quality of beef.

• 45:32Jessie Ware?

  What condiments are you going to have?

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Um, well, with all these different.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  All the bits, yeah.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  Going together, don't they? They all work together. Um, so there'll be something with some carrots and maybe something, because Ottolenghi do some great carrot recipes. Um, that's not the only cookbook I use, but it is my go to for.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Which one?

• 45:50Speaker 02

  They're simple. I've started to make some really good, um, Children of My House cookbook is quite hard to follow, but is. Their Caesar salad recipe is to die for.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Really?

• 46:02Speaker 02

  I make that, it involves like.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  My mum bought me it because she thought it looked beautiful and it does. But it it involves a lot of ingredients, um, so you kind of have to be ready to go, you know. But, um, it's worth it, worth the effort. Maybe we'll throw that in on the side.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Yes, please do. Um, and then pudding, you're not a pudding person.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  No, but if I have, if there's anything that can tempt me on a menu, a simple affogato, but I'm not going to do that right now because that's just too simple. It'll be a sticky toffee pudding.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  With a big dollop of vanilla ice cream, probably.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Do you like ice cream with your sticky toffee pudding?

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Do you never have cream with it?

• 46:45Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  No, I think that's right. I've made a mistake there. I prefer cream with it because it's so sweet. I want like. But you've got the sauce, Jess.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Hmm. You've got the sticky toffee sauce, then you're double sourcing, aren't you?

• 46:58Speaker 01

  You're double sourcing.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  The hardness of the ice cream with the soft.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  And drink of choice.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Uh, we'd, we'd have some really gorgeous vintage champagne to start, I think. Yeah, just as, just as, you know, with the canapes. And then I would, oh, it's hard because I do love a gin and tonic and.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  You can have that.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Wine doesn't make me very happy. You know, it makes, I'm, it makes me go to sleep and it makes me feel. Kind of, it didn't used to. So I, as much as I like the idea, and I love watching it be poured for other people, I probably won't be.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Gabby's got to work through it.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  And let me tell you, you, you might go through that period and then you'll come.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  I'm always tempted when I, when I go, especially when you're away in the sunshine and the first rosé of the season's open, of course I want a glass of rosé. Of course, I'd like a nice chilled.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  Why does nobody ever eat, drink rosé in the winter? Because we drink white wine.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  I've got a friend who doesn't. We always have to, in the middle of winter, we could be doing the most wintery meal ever and we have to bring out the rosé. The weird thing about rosé is though, people do like to show off a bit with wine, don't they? And you can't show off with rosé. It's kind of all the same, isn't it? There's not much, yeah, but there's not much variation, is there, between, you know, the, the low end and the high end, it's about five pounds. Whereas with red wine, people do like that kind of, oh, yeah, and it's like a ninety pound bottle of wine. I don't know. I think there's something in that, that it's quite democratic, rosé.

• 48:19Jessie Ware?

  I would love to know your nostalgic taste or smell, something that can transport you back somewhere.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  So I made for the first time, I walked in, it was the first cold day we had this year and I'd gone into my supermarket of choice. And all the root vegetables were in the entrance and I thought, I'm gonna make a stew. Because my mum would make a stew at this time and there was always a stew on the agar, she always had an agar. And I've never made a stew. I'd, oh, I make lots of soups, I make chowders, but I've never made a stew. So I made this stew, almost exactly how I remembered my mum making it. And it was so nostalgic, that like the bowl of stew just took me right back to coming in from sport and everybody. Pouring, you know, ladling themselves up a bowl and sitting in the table and getting some bread and kind of, it just had that real throwback to childhood.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Wow. Mary Berry? Hello, hello.

• 49:12Jessie Ware?

  It's not, but I, I, look.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  How did you do this in such kind of secret stealth-like movements?

• 49:19Jessie Ware?

  Is this stealthy? I'm like clattering.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Wait till you, wait till you hear me eat it.

• 49:26Jessie Ware?

  Right, okay, mum, you do that bit.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Did you get, did you grow up like being taught how to make this?

• 49:32Jessie Ware?

  And by the way, the pastry is shotballed, so don't be too impressed. But no, my mum like battered me out of the kitchen. Do you want a?

• 49:41Speaker 02

  I'll have a slither, I'll have a slither, yeah.

• 49:43Jessie Ware?

  Gabby Logan, thanks so much for coming on. We are so happy to have had you.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 49:48Jessie Ware?

  Happy to have had Secret Santa with you. Thank you so much to Delivery.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Thank you, my gorgeous, beautiful gift. Well, they're all from Waitrose, my gifts.

• 49:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:56Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  They're really lovely.

• 49:58Jessie Ware?

  It's such an honour to meet you. When I was a 16-year-old and wanted to be a football journalist, I just looked at you and was just like, this is actually possible. And you were amazing. You were such an inspiration. I mean, I'm doing something slightly different now.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think it's gone too bad though.

• 50:14Jessie Ware?

  No, we're doing okay. But I still think you have a frigging cool job.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you for

• 50:18Jessie Ware?

  And you are amazing.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Having me. And it's so lovely to chat to people who are obviously so passionate about their football club as well. So lovely. And not negative about Manchester United. Could have been so different three weeks ago, couldn't it?

• 50:30Speaker 01

  I would have been negative.

• 50:47Jessie Ware?

  She's got to be one of my favourite guests.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 50:50Jessie Ware?

  Could have had her here for hours.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Great.

• 50:53Jessie Ware?

  Thank you so much to Delivery for making today's episode happen. We've wanted Gabby for so long. And I'm sure, as they've done today, they'll be making amazing gifting moments happen all over the country this Christmas.

• 51:04Speaker 01

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• 51:22Jessie Ware?

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