Penn Jillette asks about the placebo effect

The magical Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller asks a question that has the Handsome hosts feeling *much* better all of a sudden! Plus primal screams, red tents, and more! Handsome is hosted by Tig Notaro, Mae Martin, and Fortune FeimsterFollow us on social media @handsomepodMerch at handsomepod.com http://handsomepod.com/Watch Handsome on YouTube http://youtube.com/@handsomepodThis is a Headgum https://headgum.com/ podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter https://x.com/headgum, Instagram https://www.instagram.com/headgum/, and Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum. Advertise on Handsome https://gumball.fm/shows/handsome via Gumball.fm http://gumball.fm/. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is a HeadGum Podcast.

• 0:04Mae Martin?

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• 0:18Tig Notaro?

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• 0:35Mae Martin?

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• 1:50Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, checking first is handsome, so check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and Affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois.

• 2:12Mae Martin?

  Welcome to the handsome pod. I'm Mae Martin, one of your handsome hosts. I'm joined as always by my handsome co-hosts.

• 2:28Tig Notaro?

  Tig Notaro.

• 2:29Mae Martin?

  Oh, it finally happened.

• 2:32Fortune Feimster?

  Tig Notaro.

• 2:33Tig Notaro?

  Fortune Feimster. We're together again, you guys. We sure are, you guys.

• 2:44Mae Martin?

  Tig, you're hard to read at the best of times. And this, if you go to YouTube, this addition to your appearance today just adds to the mystique and the intrigue because you really can't tell what you're feeling.

• 2:57Tig Notaro?

  You can't tell what I'm feeling in general, are you saying?

• 3:01Fortune Feimster?

  Well, it looks like you're solving crimes.

• 3:03Tig Notaro?

  I know, but I'm talking about in a general sense, not today on the podcast, but in a general sense, you can't tell what I'm feeling ever?

• 3:11Mae Martin?

  No, I can tell what you're feeling, but you you're you have an occasionally a dead pen kind of. I don't know, something about the mustache just takes it to another level.

• 3:21Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Tig Notaro?

  You just blew it for everybody. Everybody now knows I have a mustache.

• 3:25Fortune Feimster?

  Oh.

• 3:26Tig Notaro?

  I have to say, I had a different mustache on earlier. And then when I ripped that off, I ripped my actual Tig mustache off of my upper lip.

• 3:35Mae Martin?

  Oh, my God.

• 3:36Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, it's like, ow.

• 3:38Fortune Feimster?

  Owie.

• 3:39Tig Notaro?

  Owie.

• 3:40Mae Martin?

  That could be a good business, like wax your mustache with another mustache.

• 3:44Tig Notaro?

  With a mustache, yeah. Mustache on mustache.

• 3:47Fortune Feimster?

  Hair here, but it's blonde, so you can't see it.

• 3:50Tig Notaro?

  Somebody's bragging.

• 3:52Mae Martin?

  I really thought I would start, because I'm on testosterone, I thought I would start growing something, but I haven't.

• 3:59Tig Notaro?

  Do you want to?

• 4:00Mae Martin?

  You know what's weird? No, I don't want to have facial hair, but I want to shave. I want it to grow so I can shave it because I want the experience of looking in the mirror and shaving. You know what I mean? Like Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone.

• 4:13Tig Notaro?

  You could do that, though. You don't have to wait for hair to show up. You can just shave your face.

• 4:19Mae Martin?

  Yeah, but I'll know that it's a charade.

• 4:23Mae Martin?

  Charade.

• 4:23Fortune Feimster?

  Charade.

• 4:25Tig Notaro?

  My, my apartment here in Toronto faces windows in another building and people, and it's really not far at all. Um, if you wanna see.

• 4:36Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, we'd love to. Oh, yeah, we could right in there.

• 4:39Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, so people are just coming and going and I have different mustaches on.

• 4:45Fortune Feimster?

  And y'all are looking at each other.

• 4:46Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm, yeah.

• 4:47Fortune Feimster?

  When I was in New York, I was on a very tall floor and I looked out to see the beautiful water that was in front of me and to the left was another tall building. And a guy got out of his, um, and, and this had happened to when Jackson and I were together before, and it happened again, the guy got out of his bathtub all full weener.

• 5:10Tig Notaro?

  Really? Wait, what?

• 5:12Fortune Feimster?

  Full weener.

• 5:13Tig Notaro?

  Okay, and what did he? But what do you mean?

• 5:16Fortune Feimster?

  Like he, you know, you can see in other people's apartments. In New York, cuz and this guy had just his.

• 5:24Tig Notaro?

  For you?

• 5:26Fortune Feimster?

  No, not for me, no.

• 5:28Tig Notaro?

  Okay.

• 5:29Fortune Feimster?

  And I don't know why I said bathtub, he got out, it was a shower. He got out of the shower and he didn't have any curtains or, or they weren't closed.

• 5:39Mae Martin?

  I think he wanted to be seen.

• 5:40Fortune Feimster?

  And he just was, and he went up to the window.

• 5:44Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that's, that checks out.

• 5:45Fortune Feimster?

  Full weener.

• 5:46Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, it was for you. It was for you.

• 5:48Fortune Feimster?

  No, he didn't know I was, he didn't know I was on the, uh, 14th floor looking into his.

• 5:54Tig Notaro?

  He knew it. He could feel it. And is that the only time you've seen one aside from the hot flute?

• 6:00Fortune Feimster?

  Well, ironically enough, when I was in New York, another time that happened, a guy.

• 6:04Mae Martin?

  I'm staying, I'm staying at the wrong hotels.

• 6:09Fortune Feimster?

  You would enjoy seeing that?

• 6:11Tig Notaro?

  Of course. What are you talking about?

• 6:14Fortune Feimster?

  Just a weener in the wild.

• 6:16Mae Martin?

  Well, yeah, through the safety of a window across the street. Yeah, I like, I like the idea of kind of seeing what people are up to.

• 6:23Fortune Feimster?

  All floppy and.

• 6:25Tig Notaro?

  That's what they are.

• 6:26Fortune Feimster?

  Weird.

• 6:28Tig Notaro?

  I mean, I've heard.

• 6:30Mae Martin?

  Guys, I have a bit of a mystery going on and I kind of.

• 6:34Fortune Feimster?

  Tig will solve it.

• 6:35Mae Martin?

  I don't know if this company is.

• 6:37Fortune Feimster?

  With my mustache.

• 6:38Mae Martin?

  Holmes over there. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if this is a company that sponsors our podcast and if it is, I kind of don't want to know because then it's not a mystery at all. But I've received a box to my Airbnb and it's a box of baked goods, I want to say. And they're like, some of them are raw, they need to be baked. I'll show you some of what we're talking about. So we got croissants that need to go in the oven.

• 7:05Fortune Feimster?

  Wait, is this wild grain? Because they're, they truly are amazing.

• 7:09Mae Martin?

  Yes, this is wild grain. Wait, but are they?

• 7:11Tig Notaro?

  They're our sponsor.

• 7:12Fortune Feimster?

  They are sponsors.

• 7:13Mae Martin?

  Oh, no.

• 7:14Fortune Feimster?

  And they have.

• 7:15Mae Martin?

  I thought I had a secret admirer.

• 7:17Fortune Feimster?

  No, they're sponsors.

• 7:19Tig Notaro?

  God.

• 7:20Fortune Feimster?

  They have some of the best chocolate chip cookies. I'm telling you, you'll ever have. Jax, Jax orders, she'll order a thing of stuff just to get the cookies.

• 7:29Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 7:29Tig Notaro?

  Wow.

• 7:30Mae Martin?

  Well, I truly was like, maybe it's my ex.

• 7:33Fortune Feimster?

  It's great.

• 7:34Mae Martin?

  Sending me baked goods.

• 7:35Fortune Feimster?

  You freeze the.

• 7:36Tig Notaro?

  Sending you raw croissants.

• 7:38Fortune Feimster?

  You gotta put the bread in the freezer, but then when you want bread, you, it's there and it's, it's really good. I'm not just saying this because they're our sponsors.

• 7:46Mae Martin?

  I mean.

• 7:48Fortune Feimster?

  So.

• 7:48Tig Notaro?

  Fortune wait for the commercials.

• 7:52Mae Martin?

  This would be such an elaborate.

• 7:53Fortune Feimster?

  They're really tasty. I just love that you thought someone's like sending you a bunch of bread and croissants.

• 8:01Mae Martin?

  It was like the beginning of some, yeah, rom com, some mystery.

• 8:05Tig Notaro?

  Do you guys want to go into how much you love Allstate Insurance?

• 8:09Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys.

• 8:11Fortune Feimster?

  I love Allstate.

• 8:15Tig Notaro?

  They're good. They're good.

• 8:17Fortune Feimster?

  Would that have made a difference if someone had sent you those as a gift?

• 8:23Tig Notaro?

  Frozen dough.

• 8:24Mae Martin?

  I'd love to be sent any gift. I feel like I send a lot of gifts. That's like my love language. Yeah, like I like to send a gift and, and I don't, the only thing that shows up at my door is like weird stuff I ordered on Amazon overnight.

• 8:37Tig Notaro?

  Frozen dough.

• 8:38Fortune Feimster?

  A vibrator.

• 8:39Mae Martin?

  And then our sponsors, it turns out. Yeah, yeah. Did you say a vibrator, Fortune, Marie?

• 8:44Fortune Feimster?

  What? Who said that?

• 8:47Tig Notaro?

  Fortune Marie, do not talk about anything vibrating.

• 8:50Fortune Feimster?

  I'm sorry.

• 8:51Tig Notaro?

  Except the friendship between the three of us.

• 8:54Mae Martin?

  Yeah, which is vibrating on a high level, a high frequency.

• 8:59Fortune Feimster?

  Thanks to Tig, I treaded water again this morning.

• 9:03Tig Notaro?

  You did?

• 9:04Fortune Feimster?

  Two days in a row now.

• 9:05Tig Notaro?

  My goodness, kid.

• 9:08Mae Martin?

  How was it?

• 9:08Fortune Feimster?

  I was out of town for like three weeks. So it's not like I purposely wasn't doing it. I just was out of town and now I'm back. And the first day I was back, I didn't, but the next two days I have.

• 9:19Tig Notaro?

  Love it. And you know what? I think I told you this May, I was at the Rufus Wainwright concert and met the people that ran the theater. And they said they were friends with your parents.

• 9:31Mae Martin?

  Oh, yes. Yeah.

• 9:33Tig Notaro?

  And the woman said she now treads water.

• 9:37Mae Martin?

  Really?

• 9:37Fortune Feimster?

  Look at you Tig, getting everybody to tread water.

• 9:40Tig Notaro?

  She said, I'm in with the big Hollywood fad. I was like, this is not Hollywood.

• 9:48Fortune Feimster?

  Tig activity that we've caught on to.

• 9:50Tig Notaro?

  A lesbian or LGBTQ. I don't know what's going on. It's a handsome fad, but I don't think it's taken over Hollywood. It should because it's, it's, you know, I know you listen to podcasts when you do it, but it's meditative still. It's like.

• 10:07Fortune Feimster?

  It's very meditative.

• 10:08Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. And it moves your whole body. You're working all your muscles and I do it silently and, you know, think myself into corners and.

• 10:21Fortune Feimster?

  I do need it for the medit-, because I don't think I have the patience to like, just sit and meditate like in silence. For some reason, I do need to be doing something, but I have a very like active brain in that it gets a little OCD sometimes. Like where I take something and it runs in my head and I can't get it to stop.

• 10:43Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 10:43Fortune Feimster?

  And I like fixate on things and especially when my special came out, I start fixating on things like, what did I do this right? What was, is the color right? This, this, and I would have to make myself get into the pool. And like, as I'm treading water, it'd be like, let go, let go, just

• 11:02Tig Notaro?

  Let go, let go.

• 11:03Fortune Feimster?

  Like be present, everything's good. And it really does help with my, my brain too.

• 11:09Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I, one million percent, man, my brain feels so good. My whole body feels so loose. Do you get that feeling of like, you're just, I don't know, I feel so good. Anyway, it was just so fun that she said that she's treading water now.

• 11:26Fortune Feimster?

  That's cool.

• 11:27Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 11:28Fortune Feimster?

  Do you guys have an active, like a brain that fixates or?

• 11:31Tig Notaro?

  Oh.

• 11:31Fortune Feimster?

  Is that, I didn't know if that was a comic thing or?

• 11:34Mae Martin?

  Yes, I got a brain that fixates, of course, yeah.

• 11:38Tig Notaro?

  Are you really asking May this?

• 11:43Mae Martin?

  I do. And, and then I find like, um,

• 11:46Tig Notaro?

  I do too.

• 11:47Mae Martin?

  Yeah, certain things, I mean, we've talked before about like, I'm not sure about, about if meditation works for me, but doing an activity while, like, like walking meditation, maybe, but uh, there are things that I do that calm me down, like naming all the countries of the world. I like to do that.

• 12:04Tig Notaro?

  Hmm, you're like Finn.

• 12:06Mae Martin?

  Does he, does he name the countries?

• 12:08Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, he knows the countries, he knows the US capitals.

• 12:11Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 12:12Tig Notaro?

  I should send you a video of him. He loves like, Max and Finn watch Jeopardy and those kind of games.

• 12:19Mae Martin?

  Okay, we need to hang out with, I, I think we'd really get along, me and them, because we could just name the countries.

• 12:25Tig Notaro?

  He knows all of the flags of the world.

• 12:28Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that's incredible.

• 12:29Tig Notaro?

  All of the flags, so.

• 12:30Fortune Feimster?

  That's not easy.

• 12:32Mae Martin?

  I think that's my next challenge.

• 12:33Fortune Feimster?

  Easy task.

• 12:34Tig Notaro?

  I will send you that video.

• 12:36Mae Martin?

  I'm getting competitive with an eight year old now.

• 12:39Mae Martin?

  Well, I guess I'm.

• 12:39Tig Notaro?

  But that soothes you, is naming all of the countries of the world?

• 12:43Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah. Journaling as well, like if I force myself before bed to write, just stream a conscious, a couple of pages, and in the morning about what I'm stressed about, instead of just going on my phone. Yeah. That's helpful.

• 12:59Tig Notaro?

  Sometimes for me, it's just music. It's just like at our office, we have a record player. And there have been times when I've gone over there and it's like, not just plug in your headphones, listen to music, there's something so relaxing and in the moment for me to put on a record and listen to a record.

• 13:21Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Tig Notaro?

  And then it ends, you get up and, and I don't know, it's a heightened level of appreciation, I think, for it and flipping the record and then lying on the couch and listening to it and not looking at anything, just staring out the window or the ceiling.

• 13:36Mae Martin?

  Oh, man.

• 13:37Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, that, that I think puts me in a, in a good place, but um, I mean, I don't have that kind of time to always be lying on a couch in my office, flipping records, but

• 13:51Mae Martin?

  I just got the test press. I got like the test press of my vinyl record for my album. It feels crazy. I like, I, I still don't understand how you can take a sound from the air and put it onto plastic.

• 14:05Tig Notaro?

  I think about that all the time and I can't stand it. How does it happen?

• 14:09Mae Martin?

  I think like, oh, I'm hearing the atmosphere of Abbey Road and all the like, and because it doesn't make any sense, but.

• 14:17Tig Notaro?

  And then they transfer to another one.

• 14:19Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 14:20Tig Notaro?

  And then everyone's got them. And then it, then they press play at a, on a radio station.

• 14:26Mae Martin?

  And it's a sound.

• 14:27Tig Notaro?

  Even photographs.

• 14:28Mae Martin?

  Oh, don't get me started.

• 14:30Tig Notaro?

  Don't get me started. I can't stand it.

• 14:33Mae Martin?

  Me neither.

• 14:34Tig Notaro?

  I can't stand it. How did that happen?

• 14:36Mae Martin?

  But there's something particularly weird about a vinyl because it feels so like rudimentary, almost like, like that we're just taking a very sharp little point and then we're spinning it on the thing. And then all of a sudden I'm in Abbey Road and I'm hearing something from the seventies. Like, it's so insane, but I don't have a vinyl player, so I can't listen to my own album.

• 14:54Fortune Feimster?

  Well, you gotta get one.

• 14:55Tig Notaro?

  From the sixties.

• 14:56Mae Martin?

  Yes, true. Yeah.

• 14:59Fortune Feimster?

  They're not expensive.

• 15:00Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I know. They got them at like Urban Outfitters now.

• 15:03Fortune Feimster?

  Urban Outfitters, yeah.

• 15:04Tig Notaro?

  You know what is so funny? Like in the eighties and seventies, when you got a record player, it was so cool to have one that stacked up high and the speakers were huge.

• 15:18Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 15:19Tig Notaro?

  And like took up so much space, huge speakers.

• 15:24Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 15:24Tig Notaro?

  You know, and cords. Yeah. And now it's like the size of your, I mean, it's your phone.

• 15:30Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. When you do the Kelly Clarkson show, they always give you a record and it's a different one every time. And I've done her show 10 times now, so I've gotten 10 different records.

• 15:41Tig Notaro?

  Really?

• 15:41Fortune Feimster?

  And, um,

• 15:42Tig Notaro?

  What are the records?

• 15:43Fortune Feimster?

  Dolly Parton was one and this latest one was Chapel Rhone.

• 15:48Tig Notaro?

  Oh, nice.

• 15:49Fortune Feimster?

  I was traveling for like two and a half weeks and I got the record at the beginning of those travels. So for two and a half weeks, I'm like, I really want this, this vinyl. I want to listen to Chapel's record on, on the vinyl. And so I was like having to maneuver this record for almost three weeks to not break it. Even though I could buy another one, I'm just like, don't break this record.

• 16:14Tig Notaro?

  Well, and yet there are times in life where it's like, you want to break the record. You know what I'm saying?

• 16:20Fortune Feimster?

  You know, you know what I mean?

• 16:22Tig Notaro?

  You're a record breaker.

• 16:24Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 16:29Fortune Feimster?

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• 16:44Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Checking first is handsome. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary. Subject to terms, conditions and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois.

• 16:58Tig Notaro?

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• 18:02Speaker 00

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• 19:09Mae Martin?

  Have you guys ever been to a rec room where you smash stuff?

• 19:14Fortune Feimster?

  No. I've heard of that, like getting out of Gresham, right?

• 19:18Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I mean, it feels crazy to say when it's like people are starving in the world. But yeah, you go and they give you a bat and you can break old TVs and like plates and things and you must get your rage out. I think I would, I think I would benefit.

• 19:31Tig Notaro?

  And you have not gone?

• 19:32Mae Martin?

  I've never gone. They're in LA. They're in, yeah, they, it's a big, it's a big thing. And they blast music. You get to pick your music and then you wear goggles and you just, can you guys tell by looking at me that I have pent-up rage or no?

• 19:45Fortune Feimster?

  I would not know that, no.

• 19:47Tig Notaro?

  Pent-up rage, let me see.

• 19:49Fortune Feimster?

  I definitely think that you're going through a thing of like... Just, you know, coming out on the other end of some life things, but I would not rage would not be the thing I would think seeing you.

• 20:01Mae Martin?

  This is the thing, I can't even access it, it's so deep, but I, I know it's there, just about the world.

• 20:07Fortune Feimster?

  Really?

• 20:08Tig Notaro?

  I would say if I really went in on your, you know.

• 20:14Mae Martin?

  Psychology.

• 20:16Tig Notaro?

  Well, yeah, I mean, you, you're, there's some nerves and anxiety maybe around things in life and, and maybe that could be tied to not sharing how you really feel about things or being direct about something. And then if you're not, then you're probably holding some rage. So that kind of tracks and makes sense.

• 20:42Mae Martin?

  Wow, two episodes in a row, you have.

• 20:44Fortune Feimster?

  That's pretty interesting.

• 20:46Mae Martin?

  So apt, because it's like my throat chakras blocked, like I do, I don't say what I feel a lot and I have, because I, I want everyone to like me, so, but I'm pissed.

• 20:58Fortune Feimster?

  But I think, but I think some of it is that you, you want to tell people what they want to hear, knowing that you're not going to be able to follow up on that.

• 21:08Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 21:09Fortune Feimster?

  And then it creates drama for you. That's unnecessary, you know what I mean? But if you just said from the get go, I don't think I can do that, or, I, I don't, I can't, you know what I mean? Like you're telling people what they want to hear because you want them to, that people please earn you.

• 21:25Mae Martin?

  Maybe.

• 21:25Fortune Feimster?

  Then you end up letting, letting that person down because they, because you're like, oh, they wanted that from me, but I can't give it to them. And now they're upset with me, ugh. And then it leads to like, like fresh, like your frustration.

• 21:39Tig Notaro?

  And then how do you respond if somebody, you know, says yes, then lets you down? Like, do you handle that okay?

• 21:48Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:49Tig Notaro?

  Like in a reverse?

• 21:51Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm all right with that. I think it's a, I think there's a big, like, part of it's like an ADHD thing, I think, like of just time management and like overwhelm and like freeze, but I don't know.

• 22:05Mae Martin?

  I don't know.

• 22:06Tig Notaro?

  It's really, it's really interesting to, and I know we've talked about this before, but like conversations that are so hard. And I just always think like, I'm going to be alive after this conversation. I'm gonna be alive after this email. You know? And it really does, like as hard as that moment is, it's like, it's usually a short hard.

• 22:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Tig Notaro?

  You know?

• 22:37Mae Martin?

  It's not like, like with everyone in my life, I'm avoiding saying like what I really feel, but there's probably like some foundational things on it. Like the foundation's a little rocky where like, cause there's stuff that I should, I want to yell in the desert at the moon and the stars and the rocks. And, and then if I got that out, maybe, yeah. I actually did, I went to the Joshua Tree like a year ago with some friends and I was like, I want to do a primal scream. And I was with my friend Charlotte, who's British, and she was really worried that, like it was nighttime, there was no one around and we were in the middle of the national park and she was like, um, before we do the scream, I just have to do something. And then she goes, um, hello, if anyone can hear us, we're not in any danger.

• 23:22Mae Martin?

  We're just doing a primal scream. And it like really, it took the fun out of it a little bit.

• 23:27Fortune Feimster?

  That's hilarious. Charlotte from, from Feel Good?

• 23:31Mae Martin?

  Yeah, it was very adorable. Yeah, yeah.

• 23:34Tig Notaro?

  You know what I find really interesting that I'm really in tune with, and I don't even know if I'm right or wrong, but I am fascinated by people that have nervous laughs. Not that I'm like, you know, solving a big mystery here, but I feel like that's a lot of rage or.

• 23:56Mae Martin?

  Oh, oh, really?

• 23:57Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. Like when people are like, like that kind of thing, like it feels like if it keeps going.

• 24:07Mae Martin?

  It'll become homicidal.

• 24:09Tig Notaro?

  The snowball is, yeah. It's like, I'm, I'm always interested when people laugh at moments really hard, there's nothing funny happening.

• 24:17Mae Martin?

  Yes.

• 24:18Tig Notaro?

  Or, you know, barge in with that kind of energy. And I'm always like, you know, just kind of quietly examining that, thinking, what is, what is that?

• 24:29Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 24:30Tig Notaro?

  Really uncomfortable nervous laughter that.

• 24:34Tig Notaro?

  Is barging into this conversation, out of their mouth, their body, they're so, they're clearly uncomfortable.

• 24:42Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 24:43Tig Notaro?

  And, and it's just, it's, it's really fascinating. And if our listeners relate to that, please write in and let us know. Cause I'm, well, because people might be like, oh my gosh, I do that. And I don't know why I do it, or I do it. And the reason I do it is because this or that. I just find it so fascinating.

• 25:02Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. I think we could all benefit from opening our mouths a bit more and saying, letting things out, right? I mean, a lot of this stems from just pent up stuff.

• 25:13Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. Stephanie emailed me this morning about something. She was not happy with me.

• 25:18Fortune Feimster?

  Really?

• 25:19Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 25:19Fortune Feimster?

  And were you receptive?

• 25:21Tig Notaro?

  I was. I was like, you know, I didn't do it intentionally, but I totally saw what she was saying and apologized. It was really interesting to wake up in a different city from her and have a very big email.

• 25:37Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 25:38Tig Notaro?

  Not very big, but it was like an email.

• 25:39Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:40Tig Notaro?

  And.

• 25:41Fortune Feimster?

  And that you hadn't been aware that she was stewing on something.

• 25:44Tig Notaro?

  I don't know that she was stewing on, it wasn't that she was stewing on something. It was just that she came across something I had said. And there was some misrepresentation and whatever. But when I opened the email, I thought, oh, what is, I was, it was, I was so like, what is this?

• 26:06Fortune Feimster?

  That would be, that would be jarring for sure.

• 26:09Tig Notaro?

  It was jarring, but it was also more fascinating because I don't feel like I'm hiding anything from her. Like in, you know, like I don't have massive droves of secrets.

• 26:26Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 26:26Tig Notaro?

  And so, and I'm, I was more of like, oh, this is, oh no. And also, oh my gosh, this is so interesting. What is, what did I do? Like I, I was so interested. And then, and then when I read it, I was like, oh yeah, I did say that.

• 26:44Fortune Feimster?

  Mm hmm.

• 26:45Tig Notaro?

  And it wasn't, you know, totally, totally true.

• 26:52Fortune Feimster?

  Right, right, right.

• 26:54Tig Notaro?

  Without getting into details, but you know, I did it for.

• 27:00Mae Martin?

  A lot.

• 27:00Tig Notaro?

  Comedy.

• 27:01Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:02Fortune Feimster?

  Comedy, yeah.

• 27:03Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 27:04Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 27:04Tig Notaro?

  It basically was her story.

• 27:06Mae Martin?

  Right.

• 27:07Fortune Feimster?

  Gotcha, yeah.

• 27:09Tig Notaro?

  You know, and I kind of blurted in a way.

• 27:12Fortune Feimster?

  Uh huh, right.

• 27:12Tig Notaro?

  And I was like, oh, yeah, I see that. And I'm sorry, and I won't do that again.

• 27:18Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 27:18Tig Notaro?

  Or, or if I think that story is great, I'll run it by you, you know? But I was just like, oh, it's our world and our.

• 27:28Fortune Feimster?

  Right.

• 27:28Tig Notaro?

  And here's this story.

• 27:29Mae Martin?

  I bet all three of us have gotten into trouble for that before. I feel like that's such a, so part of what we do, which doesn't excuse it, but it's like.

• 27:39Fortune Feimster?

  Sometimes Jack's like, what are you talking about?

• 27:42Mae Martin?

  Yeah, or sometimes I think something's my, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:46Tig Notaro?

  Well, yeah, and reading that email, I was like, she's totally right. And she is right to feel that way. And I, I, and it did cross my mind where I was like, oh, should I? And I was like, eh, it's nah, it's fine.

• 27:59Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:59Tig Notaro?

  And then it wasn't, and she's right, you know?

• 28:03Mae Martin?

  Um, in ancient Rome, didn't they used to do a thing that was like, once a month or something? They would have a night that was like, Bacchic chaos of just orgiastic, crazy, but not, not sex. It was just like, like, um, you could get all your primal drives out and people would just get drunk and they'd be screaming, they'd all wear masks and run around and you'd just get it out of your system. And I think maybe we need that, like Freud said, societies coercion and suppression of drives. And I really, I feel like we all are living in this sort of claustrophobia. And if we just had, not, not like the purge, like we need to have one night where we go out and, you know, hurt people, but just like one night a month where we just.

• 28:45Tig Notaro?

  It is interesting.

• 28:46Fortune Feimster?

  Go to the red tent.

• 28:49Mae Martin?

  What's the red tent?

• 28:50Fortune Feimster?

  Get our feelings out. I talked about it about a long time ago.

• 28:55Tig Notaro?

  Period stuff?

• 28:56Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 28:57Tig Notaro?

  Oh, yes.

• 28:57Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:00Fortune Feimster?

  But it was just be an excuse to just hang out and not do anything and just chat about your feelings.

• 29:06Tig Notaro?

  Red tent.

• 29:09Tig Notaro?

  I feel like people in the red tent are not chill chatting, though.

• 29:13Fortune Feimster?

  Really? Hmm, in my fantasy, we are eating grapes, chatting about our feelings.

• 29:20Tig Notaro?

  You know? Emotional.

• 29:23Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 29:24Tig Notaro?

  Emotional cramps.

• 29:25Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 29:29Fortune Feimster?

  Or a sauna. Let's, let's modernize it. Let's all go to a sauna.

• 29:33Tig Notaro?

  Yes, girl. Me and you in the sauna. Let's chat.

• 29:37Fortune Feimster?

  Come on. Have a handsome sauna. Just let, sweat it all out. We can talk, we have some time where it's silent and then we can talk about things.

• 29:47Mae Martin?

  My worst thing in a sauna, if you ever, when you're in a sauna and then someone comes in and without even being in the sauna for more than a second, they pour a bunch of water on it. It makes it three times hotter. And it's like, just wait a second. Let your body adjust because we've all been doing the water. It's hot in here.

• 30:04Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 30:04Mae Martin?

  Just had to get that off my chest. See, I'm saying how I feel. I'm being honest.

• 30:09Fortune Feimster?

  Get it out, man.

• 30:10Mae Martin?

  I fucking hate that when people in the sauna make it hot without checking with you, bro.

• 30:14Tig Notaro?

  Oh, man, you know what would be really fun for you to do?

• 30:18Mae Martin?

  Tell me.

• 30:18Tig Notaro?

  Is like write an entire hour where you rage.

• 30:23Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 30:23Tig Notaro?

  You just let loose and you pace back and forth and it can be, it's authentic and it's real, but it's also like experimental art, you know?

• 30:34Mae Martin?

  See, this is the thing because people often like in stuff that's like written about me, it's like people commend the fact that I'm so, I'm, I'm like a palatable queer person that's not like a, not actually aggressive or challenging that, you know what I mean? Like it's accessible.

• 30:51Tig Notaro?

  Like fortune. Yeah.

• 30:53Mae Martin?

  Like, well, maybe we, maybe we both have that, like.

• 30:58Fortune Feimster?

  Power palatable.

• 30:59Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Maybe I should do an hour where I'm just like, fuck it. I'm soap boxing. I'm pissed.

• 31:05Tig Notaro?

  And that's the title.

• 31:06Mae Martin?

  Fuck it. I'm soap boxing. I'm pissed.

• 31:09Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. Yeah. On Netflix.

• 31:11Mae Martin?

  Well, this all goes back to the bear. Let's not pretend it doesn't. It's the kept bear.

• 31:16Tig Notaro?

  And the aliens.

• 31:17Mae Martin?

  It's the wrestling bear that doesn't know its own strength and is, needs to crush the mulleted goons that are tormenting it.

• 31:27Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm.

• 31:28Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. It's good to get stuff out. I'll like think I'm fine and handling everything and then all of a sudden I'll just like start crying in an elevator.

• 31:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Specifically in a reason.

• 31:41Tig Notaro?

  Well, except that you are scared of heights, right?

• 31:45Fortune Feimster?

  I just saw Weiner. I gotta leave my hotel room and just now I'm crying in the. I have just randomly started crying.

• 31:55Fortune Feimster?

  Can you imagine someone like getting on me like, oh, okay.

• 31:59Tig Notaro?

  Oh, I guess she's not crushing it today.

• 32:02Fortune Feimster?

  That's right.

• 32:05Fortune Feimster?

  Or on an airplane. Sometimes I just start bawling on the airplane.

• 32:09Mae Martin?

  Oh, that's, yeah.

• 32:10Tig Notaro?

  I did that recently. I thought about an old painful situation in my life. And I had a boo hoo on a flight, just like something I hadn't thought about in so long. And I connected with it again. And I was like, God, that was hard on me.

• 32:31Mae Martin?

  Oh, man.

• 32:33Tig Notaro?

  That was, that was really a heavy load.

• 32:37Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, planes do bring out that emotion.

• 32:40Mae Martin?

  You get that perspective, looking at things from a distance. Yeah.

• 32:44Tig Notaro?

  From a distance.

• 32:46Mae Martin?

  Don't get me started.

• 32:48Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, love Bette Midler.

• 32:50Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 32:50Fortune Feimster?

  The divine Miss M. Come on.

• 32:52Mae Martin?

  Don't you think there was a period in movies in the nineties where there were like tons of scenes that took place in elevators with about five people all facing forward, strangers? And then something awkward would happen? I feel like that used to happen in movies in every comedy.

• 33:07Tig Notaro?

  Okay. Are you guys familiar with my dear old pal, Henry Phillips, the comedian?

• 33:14Mae Martin?

  No, I don't think I am actually. I probably.

• 33:16Fortune Feimster?

  Let me Google.

• 33:17Tig Notaro?

  Do yourselves a favor. This is a silly, silly man. Okay? He made two movies. One is called Punching the Clown and one is called Punching Henry. And.

• 33:31Fortune Feimster?

  Henry.

• 33:32Tig Notaro?

  You have?

• 33:32Fortune Feimster?

  Uh huh.

• 33:33Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 33:34Fortune Feimster?

  Haven't seen these movies though.

• 33:35Tig Notaro?

  I can't remember. I think it's the one I'm in. Stephanie and I are in one. I think it's Punching Henry. We're in that movie.

• 33:43Tig Notaro?

  And he has, he stumbles through the most awkward things in life all the time. In Punching Henry, he's.

• 33:54Tig Notaro?

  He's doing a show. This is happening in real life and then it's also in the movie. A guy shows up to a show. It's like, man, I am your biggest fan. I can't believe. And he like slams his head down and hits a parking meter. And the guy had traveled so far to see Henry and then he was off to the emergency room.

• 34:15Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 34:16Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. And then, uh, but anyway, back to elevators. Henry got out of an elevator once and he turned left. But left was just a wall, but he was too embarrassed because the doors were still open. He was too embarrassed to turn back and turn right and go down the hall. So he just went, held himself up against the wall. But he didn't realize there were mirrors that were showing everyone in the elevator. That he was just up against the wall. Anyway.

• 34:48Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, that's great.

• 34:54Tig Notaro?

  Henry Phillips, look at him. He has a show called You and Your Fucking Coffee. And then he has this show called Henry's Kitchen. He's just a silly, dry guy. I love him so much.

• 35:09Fortune Feimster?

  That's fun.

• 35:10Tig Notaro?

  Anyway.

• 35:11Fortune Feimster?

  Well, we should get to our question, right?

• 35:13Mae Martin?

  Yes, yes, absolutely.

• 35:15Fortune Feimster?

  Today's questioner is a magician, actor, musician, TV host and writer, best known as the, well, pretty much the, the vocal half of the iconic magic duo, Penn and Teller. Penn Jillette is asking today's question.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  Hello, my handsome friends. This is Penn, Penn Jillette. I work with the comedy magic team in Las Vegas, Penn and Teller, at the conveniently named Penn and Teller Theater. Uh, I got a question for you. Scientists have shown that placebos work even when the subject knows it's a placebo, which blows my mind completely. Uh, I used to think the whole idea behind placebos was you didn't know they were nothing and that's why they worked. But you can tell people, apparently, I don't know how they did these tests. I don't know what the control group would be, but. You can tell people this is a pill that'll do nothing. This is a placebo.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  Give them a sugar pill and say, I'm giving it to you for your arthritis or the problem is. And they actually see an improvement, even though they've been told it's a placebo. And this, of course, works in a lighter way, in a silly way in magic. Um, you know, the magic wand is just a stick. You know, it does nothing. And yet you feel that there's a magical cause to the trickery you're seeing. You always have to have a magical cause for the trickery, no matter how silly. Uh, it seems similar to me, although on a, um, on a lighter level. And I just wondered what you have in your life that you know is bullshit? That you know is not true?

• 37:01Speaker 04

  And yet you believe in it and it helps you. So what's your placebo that you know is a placebo?

• 37:09Fortune Feimster?

  Hmm, interesting. I just saw them perform. We did a show together.

• 37:15Mae Martin?

  Oh, cool.

• 37:15Fortune Feimster?

  And it is really cool. I don't think about magic tricks very often. And then when I see them, I'm like, dang, that was cool.

• 37:22Tig Notaro?

  I mean, magic is magic.

• 37:26Mae Martin?

  Yeah, it's wild.

• 37:27Tig Notaro?

  I remember going to some show at the, what is the Magic Castle in LA?

• 37:33Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 37:34Tig Notaro?

  And

• 37:37Tig Notaro?

  like, how do they do it?

• 37:41Fortune Feimster?

  Thank you for saying that in an Italian accent.

• 37:47Tig Notaro?

  Meatball, but I, um, I don't, some magician was saying what was in this woman's purse.

• 37:55Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 37:56Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 37:57Mae Martin?

  What do you mean? He was just like, was it, was some of it unexpected stuff? It wasn't just like your wallet, your?

• 38:03Tig Notaro?

  Yes.

• 38:04Mae Martin?

  That's insane.

• 38:05Tig Notaro?

  Like, I don't, I don't get it. I'm angry at everybody now. I, I don't, I don't know what's happening. Um, yeah, it's fascinating.

• 38:16Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, and like Penn's very cerebral, as you can see. So that a lot of his stuff is like talking out these big things. And you're like, how does he keep up with all that?

• 38:24Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Well, any of the things? That I'm thinking of and answer this question, I'm like, I don't really a hundred percent know that they don't work, or if there are placebos, they're working anyway. So like crystals or like, well, spells, I did quite a few spells.

• 38:42Fortune Feimster?

  Now, you, now you yourself do the spells or someone does them for you?

• 38:48Mae Martin?

  Well, things like on a full moon or whatever, I'll write down stuff and bury it, you know, weird shit that I, that I read about, which is for fun.

• 38:56Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 38:57Tig Notaro?

  Like a little squirrel in the yard.

• 38:59Mae Martin?

  Yeah, like a little squirrel.

• 39:00Tig Notaro?

  They're burying.

• 39:01Mae Martin?

  Dirt under my nails. Yeah. Oh, my God, if someone dug up my yard and found all my secrets.

• 39:11Fortune Feimster?

  All your secrets are out in your yard.

• 39:17Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, I don't know, because that's the thing about a placebo effect, it's that it's mentally making you feel better.

• 39:25Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Fortune Feimster?

  And if you mentally feel better, then it can have effects on you physically.

• 39:32Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm.

• 39:33Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Fortune Feimster?

  So it does in turn work.

• 39:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Do you have any like superstitions that you kind of know it's bogus, but just in case you're doing it?

• 39:42Fortune Feimster?

  I'm not very superstitious.

• 39:45Mae Martin?

  Like, would you walk under a ladder?

• 39:47Fortune Feimster?

  Easily. That was a thing. What is that?

• 39:49Mae Martin?

  What do you mean? You're not supposed to walk under a ladder.

• 39:52Fortune Feimster?

  Against one.

• 39:54Mae Martin?

  So you know.

• 39:55Fortune Feimster?

  I know. You do know of this or you don't know this?

• 39:57Tig Notaro?

  I do. I do, my friend.

• 39:59Fortune Feimster?

  What is it?

• 40:00Mae Martin?

  If you walk under a ladder, it's bad luck. I don't know why.

• 40:04Fortune Feimster?

  On the inner part of it, you mean?

• 40:06Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 40:07Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, interesting.

• 40:09Mae Martin?

  Like between it and the wall, you know?

• 40:11Fortune Feimster?

  Are we all just coming across ladders left and right?

• 40:14Mae Martin?

  No, well, that's why it's kind of stressful when you do, because you're like, oh, better not walk underneath.

• 40:19Fortune Feimster?

  Better not do that. I have no idea if I've ever even done that.

• 40:23Mae Martin?

  Like, I'm sure it's bullshit, but I still wouldn't do it.

• 40:27Tig Notaro?

  Because you didn't know it was bad news. So you're like all Mr. Magoo right underneath the ladder.

• 40:34Fortune Feimster?

  Isn't it bad luck to like throw away a penny or something?

• 40:37Tig Notaro?

  I didn't know about that.

• 40:38Mae Martin?

  It's good luck to throw a penny in a fountain.

• 40:40Fortune Feimster?

  But I thought if you threw it away, it's bad luck.

• 40:43Mae Martin?

  Oh, really?

• 40:44Tig Notaro?

  Well, you're just throwing money away. That can't be great luck.

• 40:47Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 40:49Tig Notaro?

  Like you got that kind of cash fortune that you can just throw a penny in the trash? Do you put it in the trash or in recycling?

• 40:55Fortune Feimster?

  I don't think I've thrown them away. I think I knew that it was bad luck, so I didn't.

• 41:00Mae Martin?

  Do you have a piggy bank?

• 41:01Fortune Feimster?

  No. Jax puts coins in a thing, I think, or she used to.

• 41:05Tig Notaro?

  Coins in a thing?

• 41:06Fortune Feimster?

  Coins in a thing. That would be a piggy bank.

• 41:09Mae Martin?

  Everybody used to keep their change and then you could get, your parents would get from the bank, the rolls, right? And you'd put all the pennies in the roll or all your nickels in the rolls and count it up.

• 41:20Fortune Feimster?

  Do you exchange it for bills? Black cats are bad luck?

• 41:23Tig Notaro?

  No.

• 41:24Mae Martin?

  No, I don't actually. Like I went to see my house that I bought and a gray cat showed up. And then so I Googled the significance of gray cats and it was like independence.

• 41:35Tig Notaro?

  Oh.

• 41:35Fortune Feimster?

  Oh.

• 41:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Tig Notaro?

  Are you feeling independent?

• 41:38Mae Martin?

  No. Yeah, no, I guess I am.

• 41:41Fortune Feimster?

  Things on track with that?

• 41:42Mae Martin?

  Yeah, man. Yeah, I got it.

• 41:44Fortune Feimster?

  You got it. It's done.

• 41:45Mae Martin?

  It's, yeah, I've got repairs to do, like foundational repairs and things like that, but yeah.

• 41:51Fortune Feimster?

  That is, we didn't follow up to find out if you got the structural information and everything was like, it's gonna, like that's good, other than a few repairs?

• 42:01Mae Martin?

  Well, here's the thing. It's good. Like it's stable and secure, but they are next year gonna be repairing the cliff edge that the house is perched on and it's gonna be unbelievably loud for one year, but it's worth it.

• 42:19Fortune Feimster?

  So you're in?

• 42:20Mae Martin?

  I'm in. I'm in and I'm scared.

• 42:22Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Fortune Feimster?

  Why?

• 42:24Tig Notaro?

  Of sliding down the hill?

• 42:26Fortune Feimster?

  I would be scared of that, too.

• 42:29Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I'm scared of sliding down the hill.

• 42:32Mae Martin?

  Scared of, you know, robbers and spiders and, yeah.

• 42:37Tig Notaro?

  Robbers and spiders?

• 42:38Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 42:40Tig Notaro?

  Well, you know what I can do for you that I did to Max and Finn? Cause they were really scared for a while about bad guys.

• 42:48Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 42:48Tig Notaro?

  So I took them into our neighborhood and showed them the

• 42:55Tig Notaro?

  Crime stopper sign, whatever that is.

• 42:58Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 42:59Tig Notaro?

  And I was like, you see this sign? We don't allow bad guys in our neighborhood. So there is nothing to be afraid of. And they.

• 43:09Fortune Feimster?

  Were they into it?

• 43:11Tig Notaro?

  Yes, they believe, in fact, in the backseat, I heard Finn telling Max when he was scared about something. He was like, it's fine, Max. He was like, bad guys aren't allowed in our neighborhood.

• 43:23Fortune Feimster?

  Oh.

• 43:25Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, there are no bad guys in our neighborhood.

• 43:28Fortune Feimster?

  Cute. I can't believe that worked. Nice.

• 43:31Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my gosh. It worked. Our alarm went off in the middle of the night when Stephanie was by herself and.

• 43:37Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, that's scary.

• 43:39Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. And she thought they slept through it. And in the morning, she was like, you guys, the alarm went off on the house. And they're like, oh, we know, we heard it. And when she told me that, I was like, that's how safe they feel.

• 43:54Fortune Feimster?

  Wow.

• 43:54Tig Notaro?

  They just thought it was like, and it was like, you know, a mistake.

• 43:59Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Tig Notaro?

  But the alarm got tripped. But they didn't have a care in the world. They weren't even slightly scared because they know there's no bad guys in their neighborhood.

• 44:09Fortune Feimster?

  That's great.

• 44:10Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 44:11Fortune Feimster?

  We had our alarm go off one morning. It was like crazy windy and I didn't realize I hadn't like latched the back door properly. And it, the wind was so hard that it blew it open.

• 44:24Tig Notaro?

  Oh, scary.

• 44:25Fortune Feimster?

  Alarm went off. So we like jolted out of bed and, and Jack just starts charging down. I'm like, no.

• 44:33Tig Notaro?

  Of course.

• 44:34Fortune Feimster?

  You gotta look at the cameras.

• 44:36Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my God.

• 44:38Fortune Feimster?

  Downstairs. Classic. Cameras. Jack. Someone's downstairs. She's just bolting down there. Just to knock them out. I'm just like, oh, my God, no. I'm like, hide in the room, lock the door.

• 44:54Tig Notaro?

  Brad Piggy, start crying.

• 44:57Fortune Feimster?

  Piggy and I are in the bedroom with the door locked. She's just

• 45:00Tig Notaro?

  Taking care of business.

• 45:02Fortune Feimster?

  She has no fear. I swear to God, it's crazy.

• 45:05Tig Notaro?

  That is amazing. God, of course, of course.

• 45:11Fortune Feimster?

  So she's my protector. I love her.

• 45:14Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that's great.

• 45:16Fortune Feimster?

  Jax is my placebo.

• 45:18Mae Martin?

  If someone, if you heard a scary sound in the night, Tig, would you or Stephanie go check it out?

• 45:23Tig Notaro?

  Well.

• 45:25Fortune Feimster?

  Tig's in her nightgown.

• 45:27Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I'm in my nightgown, flowing in the wind. But, um, no, it's so funny when we have visitors staying with us and we don't even have our alarm set. It's just the ding of the door opening and closing. Stephanie will jump out of bed like, "Oh, God."

• 45:44Tig Notaro?

  And she'll like, kind of make a loop around the room and then get back in bed.

• 45:50Tig Notaro?

  And then Stephanie always imitates me. This is a cartoon version of me.

• 45:55Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 45:55Tig Notaro?

  Of like, just in my underwear, going downstairs, going, "I love my family."

• 46:03Mae Martin?

  That's hilarious.

• 46:05Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I think I, I think we both would hesitantly go down, but also

• 46:15Mae Martin?

  Holding hands.

• 46:16Tig Notaro?

  I was, I, I, um, but I asked her, I was like, "Did you call the police or 911?" She was like, "Well, no, that's what the alarm does." And I was like, "I know, but it wouldn't be bad to like, give a little extra

• 46:28Fortune Feimster?

  Follow up.

• 46:29Tig Notaro?

  Ring a ding and be on the phone with somebody when an emergency is happening."

• 46:34Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Tig Notaro?

  So, I don't know.

• 46:36Mae Martin?

  I don't know how we got on to this, placebos.

• 46:39Fortune Feimster?

  I don't know either. Yeah. Some people think that, um, cold plunging is a placebo.

• 46:45Mae Martin?

  No, that's all proven.

• 46:47Fortune Feimster?

  Really? Cause every time I hear things, so many people have different things about like, no, it has tons of health benefits. And then other people are like, "It does nothing. It wakes you up."

• 46:57Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, but you know what? The level that it wakes you up is so stimulating in your brain. It's crazy.

• 47:05Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Tig Notaro?

  It is so crazy.

• 47:08Mae Martin?

  And your, your dopamine climbs, like

• 47:10Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 47:11Mae Martin?

  Yeah. For like two and a half hours, your dopamine keeps climbing. It doesn't crash or bottom out. It's, I think it's good.

• 47:17Fortune Feimster?

  Who are these people saying it has no benefits?

• 47:20Tig Notaro?

  People that are wrong.

• 47:21Mae Martin?

  Sauna salesman?

• 47:23Tig Notaro?

  Yes, thank you, May. I don't feel like I have a placebo thing in my life. I mean, and, and this is like, like a stretch to try and connect it, but you know, when I was sick in 2012, I was praying. And I had never done that before. And I felt like, I felt like it was gonna help me.

• 47:49Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 47:50Tig Notaro?

  And it did. I'm here, I lived through it. But, um, yeah.

• 47:55Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Tig Notaro?

  I don't know.

• 47:56Mae Martin?

  I've done some praying, yeah.

• 47:58Fortune Feimster?

  I do that, yeah.

• 48:00Tig Notaro?

  I don't ever pray, but I prayed then, and then I never returned to it again. Once God was like, alright, I'll let you live.

• 48:09Fortune Feimster?

  I don't like get on my knees like you do, like you see, you know.

• 48:13Tig Notaro?

  In a cartoon?

• 48:14Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, if there's like some, I'm going through some hard times, I just like in my car, I'm just like, yeah, I'll talk out loud.

• 48:21Tig Notaro?

  Let's hear a little.

• 48:22Fortune Feimster?

  I kind of pray to like the God or the, or a higher power, kind of a mix of things. Sometimes my grandmother, sometimes I'll talk to my grandma, I'll be like, Nana, help me out.

• 48:34Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Fortune Feimster?

  Look after me.

• 48:36Tig Notaro?

  And she does.

• 48:37Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. And who knows, like, is, if that's a placebo, I, if there's something to it, I don't, I don't know, but it makes me feel better.

• 48:45Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. That's all you need.

• 48:48Mae Martin?

  Totally.

• 48:48Tig Notaro?

  Who cares where it comes from?

• 48:50Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's anything, yeah, I don't have like any ritual.

• 48:56Mae Martin?

  Maybe vitamins. Like, you know, they're like vitamins, you just pee them out, I, you know.

• 49:01Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, really?

• 49:02Mae Martin?

  I take a bunch of vitamins, yeah, that I'm sure do nothing.

• 49:04Tig Notaro?

  Except make you go to the bathroom.

• 49:07Mae Martin?

  That's true.

• 49:09Fortune Feimster?

  I eat Pad Thai, that makes me feel better.

• 49:14Mae Martin?

  That's not a placebo, that's truly comforting.

• 49:18Fortune Feimster?

  That's truly my comfort food.

• 49:20Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, let's see what, uh, what Penn has to say.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  I am a strict, um, uh, unpleasantly strict, um, self-righteous vegan. And I know that big parts of my health improving from veganism are not from veganism. They're from being conscious of my diet, uh, or they are completely mental. But, uh, when I eat nothing but vegetables, which has been the past, uh, nine years, I feel better. And I know that about

• 49:57Speaker 04

  25% of that is, uh, 100% bullshit, but that placebo helps me get through. Being a strict vegan helps me, uh, do all the things in my life that make me a little healthier than I used to be. So that's my answer. It's not as satisfying as yours, I'm sure, even though I haven't heard him yet. Okay. Thank you, handsome people. Love you. Peace.

• 50:21Fortune Feimster?

  Did you know that Penn was a vegan? I had no idea.

• 50:24Tig Notaro?

  I had no idea. Uh, but now I cannot wait to talk to him about it.

• 50:30Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 50:30Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 50:31Fortune Feimster?

  Cause he's saying that it's not proven that that is a fully health beneficial thing. Is that what he means?

• 50:40Mae Martin?

  I think like he's saying that not all of the health benefits can be ascribed to the veganism.

• 50:46Fortune Feimster?

  Eating vegetables.

• 50:47Mae Martin?

  Yeah, like that part of it must be that he's thinking now of himself as a healthy person. So it's like, yeah, yeah, that's cool.

• 50:56Fortune Feimster?

  I will say when I drink my green juice, that I'm like, I'm so healthy.

• 51:02Tig Notaro?

  Touch you.

• 51:02Fortune Feimster?

  I'm so healthy right now.

• 51:04Tig Notaro?

  I have green liquid in my body.

• 51:09Fortune Feimster?

  I'm the healthiest I've ever been from this one morning I drank green juice.

• 51:17Fortune Feimster?

  Well, for you to get did help you a lot because you were going through all that. And I mean, don't you've said that you attribute that to helping save your life, right?

• 51:28Tig Notaro?

  I do. And I'm, I'm, I'm sure that, well, not, not just save my life, but also help me deal with pain. And I'm sure it's a mix of all of those things of eating nutrient dense vegetables and fruit, nuts, seeds, all of that kind of stuff, grains. And, and then having, before I just didn't really think about my health. I was just a person floating through the world and just eating whatever I want, doing whatever I want. And now I'm so like, I do not want to be back in that place again. And so whatever it is that's happening,

• 52:11Tig Notaro?

  and look, obviously I could keel over and die tomorrow, but right now, my, the pain management is just superb. I feel so much better. And I can't say enough about it, you know, but I also, people get very weird around me where they're like, oh, I can't eat this in front of you, or I can't do this. And it's like, this is me. Like, this, I'm not, I'm not talking about you. I'm not talking about what you're eating, wearing, doing.

• 52:44Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 52:45Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm good.

• 52:46Fortune Feimster?

  You're on your journey.

• 52:48Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:50Mae Martin?

  I feel like I know it's in my future.

• 52:52Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Mae Martin?

  Vegetarianism and veganism, but I'm just sort of waiting to get there.

• 52:58Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 52:59Mae Martin?

  Hoping I'll just arrive there. Unconnected to any of my behavior. I'll just suddenly be like, oh, I'm here now. I'm a vegan.

• 53:07Tig Notaro?

  Well, and as I tell everyone, that you, you have to have something that is your north star that gets you there, whether it's animal cruelty, or health, or environmental issues, you have to be really, really sold on.

• 53:26Tig Notaro?

  What your north star is, otherwise, nothing will work. And there's no way I would have maintained any sort of healthy lifestyle if I hadn't fallen so far off of that ledge. And now it's the easiest thing for me to, not the easiest, but I mean, it's just, it's what I do, you know?

• 53:50Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Tig Notaro?

  And, but it doesn't mean that I have judgment about how anybody else is doing anything.

• 53:59Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 54:01Fortune Feimster?

  Thank goodness.

• 54:04Fortune Feimster?

  Some real doozies happening over here with me.

• 54:07Tig Notaro?

  Orange chicken.

• 54:08Mae Martin?

  Oh, I do love it, though.

• 54:10Fortune Feimster?

  My baby, my baby bear, Biggie Boy, he's my placebo. If I'm sad, or I pick him up.

• 54:18Mae Martin?

  Pure scientific.

• 54:18Fortune Feimster?

  Hold him in my arms and I feel so much better.

• 54:21Tig Notaro?

  Biggie is scientific.

• 54:24Fortune Feimster?

  He's the best. Just, I just stare at him.

• 54:27Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 54:27Fortune Feimster?

  And all that stress goes away.

• 54:30Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. And he just stares at you.

• 54:34Fortune Feimster?

  With his dead eyes.

• 54:42Fortune Feimster?

  He's not in here. He was in here, but he was like, get me out of here. I'm tired of all this talking.

• 54:47Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 54:47Fortune Feimster?

  I gotta go play.

• 54:50Tig Notaro?

  Well, that was a fun episode.

• 54:52Mae Martin?

  I really enjoyed that.

• 54:53Fortune Feimster?

  You guys, me too.

• 54:55Mae Martin?

  You guys?

• 54:55Tig Notaro?

  Hey, me too.

• 54:56Mae Martin?

  Hey.

• 54:57Fortune Feimster?

  Three, three of us are in agreement. There's no two against one.

• 55:00Tig Notaro?

  No, it's three for three.

• 55:02Fortune Feimster?

  Three musketeers.

• 55:04Mae Martin?

  Except Thomas. Thomas is like, I hated that one.

• 55:06Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. I hate all of these.

• 55:08Mae Martin?

  Three against one.

• 55:09Fortune Feimster?

  He was, he was in a cold plunge.

• 55:12Mae Martin?

  Make sure you go on YouTube and check out Tig's new look.

• 55:15Tig Notaro?

  It's a brand new look.

• 55:17Fortune Feimster?

  So sexy.

• 55:21Tig Notaro?

  And also go to handsomepod.com for all of our lovely merchandise, man. I see it everywhere out in the wild and it is a real treat.

• 55:34Fortune Feimster?

  Really a cool treat.

• 55:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 55:36Fortune Feimster?

  It was so cool seeing those end of the year Spotify wrap up too. Like people were tagging us and they're like top five and stuff. That was really neat seeing people just show us that handsome love. Thank you.

• 55:49Mae Martin?

  Yes. Yeah, that was amazing.

• 55:51Tig Notaro?

  And please know we're sending the love right back to you. And please send the love off to friends and family, your favorite episodes. Let's keep building the community. Follow us on social media, YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts, rate, review us, all of that stuff. I know we always say it, but that is really what will keep this going.

• 56:12Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, we're in Nashville and Austin in April. So don't forget to get your tickets to those shows as well on our website.

• 56:21Mae Martin?

  Yeah, a lot of fun stuff planned.

• 56:23Fortune Feimster?

  If you haven't seen my special Crushing It, it's on Netflix. Please go watch it and I'm on tour, working out new stuff in Pasadena, Ontario, and Oxnard, California, coming up in the next month, as well as the Irvine Improv. And then I have a giant new tour starting April 4th. So get your tickets for that.

• 56:45Mae Martin?

  I'm at Largo like once a month and around the town. And then I'm about to go on a mini tour for my music coming up in a couple of months. So keep an eye out for that.

• 56:55Tig Notaro?

  That's so fun. Well, until next time, shall we?

• 57:00Fortune Feimster?

  Keep it handsome.

• 57:04Mae Martin?

  Handsome is hosted by me, Mae Martin, Tig Notaro, and Fortune Feimster. The show is produced, recorded, and edited by Thomas Willett. Email us at [email protected] and please follow us on social media at HandsomePod.

• 57:27Speaker 00

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• 57:29Mae Martin?

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• 57:43Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, checking first is handsome, so check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate, North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois.

• 57:58Speaker 05

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• 58:00Speaker 06

  And Hannah Simone.

• 58:01Speaker 05

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• 58:22Speaker 06

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• 58:35Speaker 05

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