Kesha: Serve C*nt & Prevail

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Kesha. Kesha discusses her past lives, biggest dating disasters, the red flags she secretly finds hot, and why she’s mostly celibate until she finds a king. She also opens up about healing, reclaiming her voice, and living in freedom and gratitude. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:13Alex Cooper?

  What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:22Alex Cooper?

  Kasia, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Thank you. I'm so excited.

• 2:25Alex Cooper?

  I am so excited. You are Grammy nominated musician. You have put out truly some of the most popular songs of all time. And you have been in the public eye for almost two decades. You have had some incredibly high highs, some really low lows. And I feel like through it all, you have just been and continue to become such an inspiration for women everywhere. And I'm a fan. So like, so happy to be with you today. Seriously.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Really happy to be here, too.

• 2:53Alex Cooper?

  Is this true? I heard you're doing Samurai training?

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I just did a Samurai training. Yes.

• 3:01Alex Cooper?

  How does one get into Samurai training?

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Well, girl, that is a long story. But let's just say there's a place called Samurai Island. And you can go and like really learn the wisdom of the Samurai. I believe this gentleman is 64th generation Samurai. And a huge thing I got out of taking the Samurai class was you're not supposed to think with your head. You're not even supposed to think with your heart. You're actually supposed to think literally and listen to your body and your gut. The Samurai training comes as one of the many things I do for healing. And like my healing journey has been mythological, but it's also been so fun. Like it led me to Samurai training.

• 3:49Alex Cooper?

  That makes so much sense because I was like Samurai training. Like, how did we get there? But it's actually crazy to even hear you explain that because I feel like as women, we can be so disconnected from our body understandably. So to have you doing something that is forcing you to be like in your body, leading with your body. And what's like the end goal of the Samurai training?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Well, my end goal is I actually ended up making out with the Samurai's assistant.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  But that's what didn't mean to be my end goal.

• 4:21Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I want to kill all my enemies with my Samurai sword. You're like, oh, just to get a good make out.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  No, it was just, the goal in all of it, I think, is to live a joyful life in my body, in my power presently, with gratitude and authenticity. That's the goal of everything I do these days.

• 4:45Alex Cooper?

  As you should. Before the Samurai training,

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:47Alex Cooper?

  Before being a musician, you were focused on school and you planned to study religion at Barnard, which is like a top tier school in the United States. What do you think you would be doing right now had you kept going with that direction?

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Well, it's so interesting because I actually have been considering going back to divinity school.

• 5:08Alex Cooper?

  You're so fucking interesting. I'm like.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  But, but I have been like flirting with the idea of going to divinity school. Because I'm so fascinated with like the structures of humanity. And what makes people do the things that they do and what do people believe in? And like how to live a beautiful life in, in the light. Like I'm so fascinated with that. I used to have my mom drive me from church to church and she's like, whose child are you? Cause and I just wanted to find like community, you know, I'm, I love community. I love creating community. I think community is really important.

• 5:46Alex Cooper?

  Of course. Do you have any like daily rituals or practices that you engage in every day?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Yes, I do. Um, I wake up and the first thing I do is listen to a gratitude meditation by Dr. Joe Dispenza. I recommend. Um, then I go outside and I try to be naked in the sun for 20 minutes.

• 6:08Alex Cooper?

  Do you have a private backyard or what's happening?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  I don't know. Do I?

• 6:12Alex Cooper?

  You're like, wherever I can get the sun.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  Well, that's actually like being comfortable in my nudity is kind of an act of resistance, too. Because after being a pop star from 2009 to current, present day, like, I have like, almost just started waging a war against my own body due to things I read about myself. And I just internalized this, like, all these external voices. So to then be in my body enough to just be like, fuck it, I'm gonna be naked in my backyard. And I'm gonna call my tour, the Tits Out Tour, like, that is also an act of resistance. Like, I don't hate my body anymore. I actually love my body. And I went to Italy and I like ate a lot of pasta and I love it.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Like, it's so country to just like be in your body and love it.

• 7:04Alex Cooper?

  And it's so hard.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  It's so hard. And the world does not want you to do that.

• 7:09Alex Cooper?

  Isn't it so fucked up, though, that I feel like sometimes it takes us having such horrible shit happen to you as a woman, where you're pushed to the point of seeing that you can't win no matter what? You have been literally dragged through the mud in every direction. And then you're like, at some point, I think I gotta just decide, like, I'm not gonna have it. But like, it's so horrible that we, it takes us to the end of the earth, essentially, to be like, now I can stand outside in the sun and fucking naked and be like, hallelujah, I fucking love my life.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  And like, I don't care if somebody can see me.

• 7:42Alex Cooper?

  Who gives a shit?

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Who gives a shit? That's something I wish somebody told me. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Like, they might care for like a headline, but like, nobody actually cares.

• 7:54Alex Cooper?

  We all think everyone is so consumed with what we're doing. They're not, they don't care.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  They don't care. I mean, I have been through so many things and I like, was walking around like, oh, my God, everyone knows that you can probably Google a picture of my butthole, probably. Like, so many of the things in my life are on the internet that should not be on the internet. Don't know how it got there, don't like that it's there, but you could probably do it. So I'm walking around being like, so much like embarrassment. Then I kind of realized, like, nobody cares. Nobody, nobody cares.

• 8:36Alex Cooper?

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• 10:50Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you had an interesting upbringing in the sense that your mom chose to have you on her own.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:57Alex Cooper?

  There was no man romantically involved in her life. When you got older, how did she talk to you about this?

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Well, I met, I've like met some of the people that may be my birth father.

• 11:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  But she really wanted a Pisces. So here I am, triple Pisces. And so I have met some of the people that might be my birth father. And she was like, who do you look more like? And I was like, Mom, no, stop, stop it. But so, yeah, that's how.

• 11:35Alex Cooper?

  And can you explain your mother wanting a Pisces? What are some characteristics?

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Well, the Pisces supposedly, it's like the last in the cycle of the astrological signs. So like, we're the last, I've been told I'm in my last lifetime multiple times. We're very emotional, we're very in touch with like, all things spiritual. We're like one foot in the ether vibes.

• 12:04Alex Cooper?

  So you believe in past lives?

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I have a song called Past Lives.

• 12:07Alex Cooper?

  What do you think you were doing back then?

• 12:08Speaker 01

  I think I was burned at the stake. I definitely was a man. And I like have, this is like a delusion that's helped me in a lot of ways. But I like to think that I am the reincarnation of Athena. So.

• 12:26Alex Cooper?

  As you should.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  You know what? Whatever works.

• 12:28Alex Cooper?

  You're like, you also can just decide what your past lives were.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Whatever you think is like the countryest thing, go for it.

• 12:36Alex Cooper?

  That is who you fucking were in your past life, bitch. Okay, so you weren't necessarily raised by any male figures in your life. What did your mom teach you by being kind of this like single mother role about independence?

• 12:51Speaker 01

  I mean, it taught me so much. I'm so grateful. I saw a woman that just did it all. Like she wrote iconic songs. She wrote songs for Dolly Parton and Johnny Cash and like, she's so cool. And she raised three kids all on her own. And she also is like really instrumental in.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Like the positive, the, the power of looking at your life positively and deciding who you want to be and what you're gonna do. She really always was like, don't say like, oh, maybe I'll be a pop star. She said like, I'm gonna be a pop star. Like this, it's like a little delusional, but it also worked to really believe in yourself.

• 13:37Alex Cooper?

  Was she at all hesitant about you getting into this crazy industry?

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Um, I think she, she always warned me that it was hard.

• 13:50Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  But I like literally was yodeling by the age of three in the backyard. Like she'd be like, you're so loud, go yodel in the backyard. And so I'd be like wandering around the backyard yodeling. She's like, what is she gonna do? Like, I knew what I was supposed to do. I came out of the womb yodeling like that's.

• 14:10Alex Cooper?

  Do you still yodel?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  I mean,

• 14:15Speaker 01

  like in TikTok, the oh, oh, oh, oh, is like my weird spooky Monster Mash voice version of a yodel kind of, so.

• 14:28Alex Cooper?

  So you brought it into your adult life and into your music, just like in a little bit of a different way than when you were three.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Listen, I don't know. Whatever that is, I did that.

• 14:37Alex Cooper?

  We're not mad about it. Um, okay. You blew up when you released the song TikTok back in 2009. I need you to know, I don't know what it was. It was some type of thing that you could submit a music video to and then you could try to win. I made one.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Are we gonna watch it?

• 14:55Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no, no, no. I'm like, roll the clip. But I made my dad take my best friend Kristen and I to New York City and we made a full TikTok music video. I actually think it was kind of good. Spoiler.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  I think we have to see it.

• 15:07Alex Cooper?

  I didn't win. I'm, I'll pull it up for you after. Uh, yeah, I'm gonna send it to you because it's, it's not embarrassing because I know the type of person you are. You'd be like, slay queen. Yes, like, get it, bitch, brace face, love it. But I was a huge, like, I was in it, like, I was there, I was loving it. And I just remember that era so clearly. So I want to go through a couple, walk down memory lanes with you. There's some pictures next to your chair. Reach down and pull them up. Okay. I want you to just tell me what you feel by looking at these pictures and what do you remember?

• 15:38Speaker 01

  I'm like so happy about it. I'm really happy about this. I like, yes. You know what? Fuck yeah. Like, I was having fun and I like did not give one single fuck what anybody thought.

• 15:58Alex Cooper?

  That was Jingle Ball 2009.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:00Alex Cooper?

  I also think your makeup and just the hair and everything, the outfits were so iconic. How did you come up with the glitter and the mascara?

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. Okay, to be honest with you, I grew up like seeing my mom be this single parent and loving like punk music and rock and roll, like Bowie and Iggy Pop and The Stones and Alice Cooper. So this is like inspired by Alice Cooper and Bowie. And I just always remember thinking like, if a boy can do it, why can't I do it? And one of the first albums I listened to a lot was Licensed to Ill, Beastie Boys, those produced by Rick Rubin, who I later got to work with.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  And like, I just remember really being attracted to people that were like, okay, being like a silly fucking crazy goose. And I was like, I want to be a silly crazy goose. I don't want to be like, like I'd go to school and everyone would like straighten their hair and I'd be like, I don't want to, I want to do it purple. And like, I don't know if that maybe psychologically is because there was like no man in the house, but like, I was just, I wanted to like, be a silly fucking crazy goose.

• 17:24Alex Cooper?

  Do your thing.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:25Alex Cooper?

  Did you keep any of that style still? Like, is anything in your closet that resembles that era?

• 17:31Speaker 01

  I mean, there's like, I walked in here with heels and I was like, nah.

• 17:35Alex Cooper?

  Throw my fucking Converse, I'm done with this shit. Okay, next one.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. That was my first Grammys. And Justin Bieber. That was like the, we came out basically in the same 12 month cycle. And I, yeah, I remember like, we would always be at the same Jingle Balls. I was in like a radio show in Europe somewhere and we would always see each other. And he was just like.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  The heartthrob of all, heartthrobs. Yeah. And, but I did remember being like so insecure, walking in this dress and heels. I felt like I looked like, like a baby giraffe that was just born. Like, not in a cute way. No. Like, in a way where I was gonna topple over on the Grammy stage. You look amazing. Thank you. I actually do look amazing. I just remember being so terrified, like, a lot of, when you're like launched into pop stardom. It's like so fun, but at least for me, it was terrifying. I don't know if other girls have this experience. What were you scared about?

• 18:48Speaker 01

  I was just like, it was just so intense. Like, it was so intense. I came from like, very, very humble beginnings, very young in life, and then Nashville, and then like, launched into this, and it was just like, it was intense. It was like, it goes, you're being seen in such an intense way, that it's, it was just kind of intense. Yeah, it's like going from that to then 2010, you're standing, you're presenting an award at the Grammys. With the biggest star. In the world. In the world. And you're like, hello. And I'm walking in heels, which, spoiler alert, I don't fuck with heels, okay?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  I do it if I'm on a red carpet, so my leg looks nice from the side. That's the only time I do it. I'm usually barefoot and naked, okay? And so then you have to like, walk out on stage in these giant heels. And those stages are hard to walk on. And everyone's like, we're gonna give your shoes a seven out of 10. I'm like, why? And I can't walk, and like, it's just stressful. Oh, my god. No, you and Baby Biebs there, it's really cute. Okay, next. I'm so proud of him, by the way. I saw his, I wasn't at Coachella, but I'm so proud of what he just did. Me too. I just have to say that. It was incredible. Yeah, I haven't seen him in forever, but like, very proud. Incredible. Amazing work. Amazing. Um, fun. Fun. High recommend.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  This is the show that I just put on last year. It was my first tour as a free woman. It's the biggest tour I've ever done, period. And I'm independent, period. Congratulations. Thank you. And it was like, that felt so fucking good.

• 20:35Alex Cooper?

  Not that you're like even turning around to be like looking at your past being like fuck you all. Look what I'm able to do, but there must have been some feeling of just like,

• 20:44Alex Cooper?

  oh my God, I'm so happy that I've proven to myself and to the world like I'm still here. I still fucking got it.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Well, it was like after almost 10 years in a litigation.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  And you just, it's, you know, I was like, maybe, maybe that's, that's what it was. Maybe like this part of my life, like that was awesome and like, but maybe that's part of the past and like, I'm so grateful if I got to live that.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Like who gets to say that? And then to go on this tour, it's going to make me emotional for real.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  No, it's stopped. Absolutely not.

• 21:30Alex Cooper?

  You're good.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Our makeup. No, it's okay. You can cry, but like the makeup, you know, um, to be able to like go on stage and see like 10s of thousands of people that quite frankly, like

• 21:46Speaker 01

  have seen some major ups and major downs and still want to show up. And you know, just as like a person to like feel still worthy and lovable. And, um, it like really did something for me this tour. I feel like I probably got way more emotionally out of this tour than anybody else. Like

• 22:14Speaker 01

  I can walk through the world. I walk through the world in a different way.

• 22:17Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Because of all the people that showed up for me. Um, and I hope that I also like was in service of them. That was my intention, but I think accidentally everybody that showed up for this tour did like this incredible act of healing for me.

• 22:34Alex Cooper?

  Well, even and I know. We don't need to get into the details today, but like even when you say like nine years,

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:42Alex Cooper?

  Nine years of your life, almost a decade of your life.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:46Alex Cooper?

  You are locked into a legal battle where you are fighting for the right for your voice.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:51Alex Cooper?

  And then to get out of that and to look out into a crowd and see people there who are just waiting to see you again. Like, how do you feel when you look back at that time of your life to then know the tour eventually came and you did get free?

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Well, it was so interesting. I mean, just to give a little bit of context, I signed the record deal I was in when I was 18 years old. I got found when I was 17 and I signed the record deal at 18 years old. And this record deal signed away the rights to my voice and likeness in perpetuity in the universe. Okay, so things happened.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  It didn't feel appropriate for me to remain in the situation I was in. So I did spend nine years in litigation, fighting for the rights to myself back. And it's just like spiritually and conceptually such a weird, it's like such a weird concept that somebody else can own a something that's coming from inside of my body. Like, that's so weird. And it just never, I never like could understand it really, like spiritually speaking. And

• 24:18Speaker 01

  and then to really be fighting for the rights to, to my own voice and my own face and my own, my me to myself. Like, what are we talking about? And for it to go on and on and on. And it was like, nine years is a long time. And there was a lot of support.

• 24:40Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  And I'm like, that support carried me through, like, one tweet could carry me through for months. Like, one stranger.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  In on Twitter that I should not be on Twitter, but I was and I saw them. And like, that would carry me for a really long time, like little things would take me through because nine years is a long time, like it's a long time. It's a, it's a fourth of my life. It's actually more than a fourth of my life.

• 25:10Alex Cooper?

  How did you keep yourself going through that time? Cause I also am thinking about it, I'm like, anyone listening to this, it's even when you put it that way, you're right. It's like, it's from, it's you. So like, I'm sure there were so many moments where you had to think like, what if this is so unjust? And like, what if I didn't win? Like, what if I, does that mean I lose myself? Like, how did you like grapple with those emotions as a human?

• 25:34Speaker 01

  It was honestly, it was very hard. Like, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. Like, I kind of, I feel like I had to just hide because it was so hard. And I feel like I'm so synonymous with joy and I love that. I love bringing people joy. But like, when I could not show up as that for others, because like, you can only give away what you have for yourself. And I would try, like in this litigation, I would go out on tour and I would sing the hit songs. And I, I tried, but it was really difficult. It's a really,

• 26:19Speaker 01

  it was just a really difficult, complicated, really confusing for me even. Like, the emotions were so complicated.

• 26:28Alex Cooper?

  What do you think your dominant emotion was at that time?

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Um, I was so lonely and I was, I was so lonely in how anxious I was and how much fear I had because we're told to speak up and stand up for ourselves and say something, you know? And I had and I felt like, why am I, I'm getting like punished? Like, my medical records are on the internet. My therapy notes are on the internet. Every text message I've ever sent is on the internet. Every email I've ever sent is on the internet.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  You know, I went to treatment for an eating disorder. Those notes that I went in to try to help save my own life, like those are on the internet. And I did that because I have nothing to hide and.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  And I now can sit here and talk to you and realize that that

• 27:28Speaker 01

  that's actually very freeing in a way. So I'm like, kind of feels like sitting naked in my backyard, you know, where you're just like, it's, it's freedom now, but at the time it was really like, it felt really just so bad. Hell, it's, it felt like fucking hell.

• 27:53Alex Cooper?

  I also think this is so relatable for women and something you just said is like you're at a place in your life where you are radiating joy. And you're choosing to live in joy, but the way that women can be painted as so angry when we try to stand up for ourselves. I written down a quote, you said, I grew up thinking women can be all of the things, but the one thing I really cannot be is an angry woman like, what did you think would happen if you allowed yourself publicly to show your anger towards this unfair situation?

• 28:25Speaker 01

  There was like a period right before I got treatment for my eating disorder, where Timber was the number one song in the world and I was in my bedazzled bodysuits with my dancers and my wig and like behind the scenes, I was not having fun. I was starving myself. And

• 28:54Speaker 01

  I like had this moment where I looked in the mirror and I told you, I grew up on like punk music, like Iggy Pop. I have an Iggy Pop tattoo like,

• 29:02Speaker 01

  and I like looked in the mirror and I'm like, what are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? And I canceled the rest of this tour and I started a band called Yeast Infection and I only played dive bars.

• 29:21Alex Cooper?

  Kesha, I love you.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure everyone was like, and she's lost her goddamn mind. And I'm sitting there thinking like, Papa Iggy Pop would be so proud of me. I'm burning it down. Fuck the man. I just. You know, and then shortly thereafter, like I got help and treatment and trying to sort through the emotions and like, to be honest with you, like anger is so interesting as a woman, isn't it? Like, nobody wants to see that.

• 29:54Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Because we're hysterical and we're crazy and it's like ugly. And I kind of like, I'm down to challenge that.

• 30:04Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Because I actually think it keeps us from being our most boundaried and most powerful selves to keep us from anger because I can only speak for myself, but my anger indicates, and I feel it somatically in my body. I get anger and it means I need to make a boundary and someone is crossing a boundary.

• 30:29Alex Cooper?

  Every woman's like, you just described that better than I could have myself. Why are we not allowed to express that, that dominant emotion right there? That clearly there's something underneath it. You're so right where we're, we're saying, we're screaming for help.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:46Alex Cooper?

  We're, we're like, because I'm pretty sure anger is not a dominant emotion. It is a reaction to one of the emotions. We're hurt, we're in pain, we're sad, we're whatever it is that someone usually made us feel. And so I'm fucking pissed off.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:00Alex Cooper?

  And people are like, no, no, no, no, no. It's just anger is just the top layer.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  That's ugly.

• 31:04Alex Cooper?

  And no one wants to ask what happened.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  See that? No.

• 31:06Alex Cooper?

  No one wants to say, well, wait, what happened? Why are you so angry? They're like, girl, that is a bad look on you. And it's like, do you want to ask why I'm pissed the fuck off? Never. Just be quiet. Sit down. Shut the fuck up.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Well, I think that like, I'm down. Well, so if I'm going to back it up, this is like, why I love songwriting is because that is a safe place to go absolutely buck wild. Like, because I always think like, where is a safe place to be really fucking angry?

• 31:36Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Let me tell you where. When you're screaming a song into a microphone and all your friends are like, oh my God, girl, it sounds great. And they're like cheering for you. Oh my God, this is why I write music.

• 31:48Alex Cooper?

  Right. Right. It's a little less like intense when it's music is like, oh, this is a bop girl. You're like, little, did you know I'm actually fucking serious when I'm dead screaming?

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Screaming, but like, that's the power of music.

• 32:02Alex Cooper?

  Girl. Okay, next, next, next one. Cause maybe, I don't know what the fuck this relates to, but.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  And this is where we're at.

• 32:11Alex Cooper?

  And here we are. Cult leader 101. You posted this back in January. Kesha, what's happening here?

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Well, okay, let's.

• 32:21Alex Cooper?

  What is happening?

• 32:24Speaker 01

  So I'm a Pisces and like statistically Pisces are great cult leaders.

• 32:29Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  And we were going to Brazil and I haven't been to Brazil in forever. And I was thinking about how culture, the word culture, it's like cult sure. And then I was with my dancers and they were like, you're kind of our cult leader. And I'm like, well, what, like, what's the cult? And I, my goal is to kind of create like queer church. When I was designing my show, I wanted it to feel like a pop church for all people, but specifically having had gone to church after church after church in my life, wanting to go to divinity school and being like part of the queer community

• 33:13Speaker 01

  and caring very deeply about the queer community. I wanted, like, one of my main goals, the last act of my show on this tour is called queer church. Because throughout my whole career, I would not, I wouldn't be shit if it weren't for the queer community. And as like a pop star, like, I owe everything to the queer community and I want to always make a safe space for all people.

• 33:47Alex Cooper?

  What do you think is the biggest misconception about you?

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Oh, shit. I don't even, like, truly, it depends on what article you read, what era, like.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  I don't even know. Like, that's the craziest part about having everything in your life on the internet, like, truly. It's almost like it depends on who you ask. Depends on, I have no idea. I literally don't know. And part of me is like, do I care? Cause I'm so fucking solid? It's so good. I don't give a fuck. No, it's so good. I like spent so much time, girl. After this litigation, I was like, not, I was truly so full of fear. Like, it was in my

• 34:38Speaker 01

  bone marrow. And I spent so much time and energy focusing on trying to regulate myself and regulate my nervous system and heal. And like, I am so fucking good with myself now. And that is like, a miracle. So I don't know. I don't know. People might think, oh, I don't even know. You're like, I don't care. I don't, I mean, like, I'm kind of curious, but then it's kind of like going on Twitter, like, do I want to know? Like, what are these bitches fucking saying? What are they saying? You can put the cards down. That was perfect.

• 35:19Alex Cooper?

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• 36:01Alex Cooper?

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• 36:42Alex Cooper?

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• 37:24Alex Cooper?

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• 38:49Alex Cooper?

  And I know that, you know, you said to Monica Lewinsky and you said during that time, you weren't able to have an orgasm because of the stress that you were under.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:00Alex Cooper?

  What has it been like reclaiming your sexuality?

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Oh my God, it's a miracle. It's a miracle. Do you know?

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Should I say this? I probably should. I don't care. I'm free. Um, I now mostly celibate, you know, except for when you're in Italy. Like, I now.

• 39:27Alex Cooper?

  What did you just say about Italy?

• 39:29Speaker 01

  I'm celibate, except for when I'm in Italy.

• 39:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Oh, I like that. It's like by country.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Listen, whatever. Anyways.

• 39:39Alex Cooper?

  You like the Italians.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  Okay, but so now I actually like masturbate to gratitude meditation.

• 39:51Alex Cooper?

  You're, you're lying to me.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  I certainly am not.

• 39:56Alex Cooper?

  Kesha.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  They're like breathe in and be grateful. Ah.

• 40:03Alex Cooper?

  It's.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Don't knock it till you try it.

• 40:06Alex Cooper?

  Honestly. Everyone, let me just say those downloads on the gratitude ones are going to go way up.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Remember when I said I started every day with a gratitude meditation?

• 40:18Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  It's been amazing. Literally when I got my freedom, I was like, I think, you know, I'm pissed about a lot of stuff, but one of the things is that like, pleasure, I keep coming back to pleasure. Like it is okay as a woman to feel pleasure in this world. When things, when you go through things, pleasure is not like the number one neural pathway that your brain always goes to when you have survived things. And I had to reprogram that and I do it every fucking day and I'm not even embarrassed about it.

• 40:52Alex Cooper?

  You shouldn't be. You absolutely shouldn't be. And I think especially as women I relate to like, I think when we are stressed or we're going through something traumatic, the actual last thing that we can think about is sex and pleasure because our bodies are so frozen. We can't, we literally can't feel our bodies. Like to lose that part of yourself and to shut down and then to be able to now be like, I connect this shit with gratitude, motherfucker.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Totally. And this is why I am celibate is because I'm calling in a fucking king. Like it's time for my king.

• 41:30Alex Cooper?

  You're manifesting.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  My pussy is manifesting with gratitude that my king is coming. Okay. Because you have to, your body has to align with your reality before it shows up in your life.

• 41:44Alex Cooper?

  So like, are there kings in Italy? Like what's going on over there?

• 41:47Speaker 01

  There are some fucking kings in Italy. Yeah, girl.

• 41:51Alex Cooper?

  It's really that different? Kind of love it. Um, I know you also kind of mentioned like, going through this experience of not feeling right in your body, you know, being on the world stage, having people comment, just the exploitation to the nth degree of people feeling like they are entitled to a woman's body is so disturbing. And I also think the impossible standards that were held to, right? Like be hot, but don't be slutty. Like, you know, be hot, but don't be fake. Like there's so much that we have to be like, oh, where's the middle line? Like, how have you managed to get kind of rid of those expectations? Cause like you are so confident now and we need your wisdom of like, how have you just learned to just

• 42:35Alex Cooper?

  be comfortable with who you are?

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Huh. I mean, it's been like such a journey, right?

• 42:44Speaker 01

  From the beginning of my career, and I, you know, we've talked about this a bit, and it's been very public, like, people have commented on my body. I internalize those comments. I make that the word of God. I try to adjust my body to somebody else's, like what they want me to be.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  I went through a horrible filler phase. God, that sucked. But because I was like, oh, that's what I should do. And then I'm like, I actually don't like the way that looks, but like, it's just like this constant dance with society on what it does mean to be a woman and what is acceptable. And like, also, we're not supposed to age. Like, trust me, I don't want to, but like, I don't know what else to do. Like, I, so I just have, I try to have like,

• 43:45Speaker 01

  because my body image can get very perfectionism-y. That's like what came up when I was, you know, in the eating disorder, which has been a while ago now. So I like,

• 43:59Speaker 01

  it's interesting to talk about it because I just really wanted to be

• 44:05Speaker 01

  loved. And in my healing process, since I got my freedom, I realized like,

• 44:15Speaker 01

  wanting to be famous and wanting to be loved, all of that actually had to come from myself. And it couldn't be fake self-love. It could not be performative words from a stage. I had to sit with myself and really, like,

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Treat myself with kindness and grace and gratitude. And I sat with my leg. I tore my ACL on stage and I fucking finished that show and I played another one. Like, I'm so grateful.

• 44:48Alex Cooper?

  But I remember Kesha, wasn't it that after you did that, though, the headlines where you were drunk on stage?

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Like, things like that make your blood boil because I don't drink before I go on stage. Girl, I barely drink. Like, that's the one LOL that's probably a huge misconception. But like, I don't want to have to defend myself.

• 45:07Alex Cooper?

  Right. Talk to me a little bit about that persona that you built, because I know everyone builds a form when you have to have this like, public image, right? I feel like there was this very like, wild child party girl that you were bringing forth to the world and people loved it. But like, how intentional was that?

• 45:26Speaker 01

  I think that that is absolutely a part of where I was at. You know, I was in my early twenties. And I think people love a headline, we love the drama, the salacious, we love it. So it was a version of a thing I did sometimes, just like everybody at that age. And it was fun. And it's funny to talk about. It's also probably more interesting to write a song about a night, a wild night than like, uh, getting a car wash. Like, I don't know. Now I'm gonna challenge myself.

• 46:05Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, go right after this. Let's see.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  At the time, it was also, I write many, many, many songs for a record. Like, I'm talking like, a hundred plus. So, um, let's just say,

• 46:27Speaker 01

  I wanted to showcase other sides of my personality with single choices, but like, the party thing was working.

• 46:35Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  And so it became almost like a caricature of itself, which is not to say it was never like, disingenuine. I was having a great time and having fun and romping around the world. But I think the balance of that is also who I am, which didn't maybe get as much of a spotlight at the time, because one thing was really working.

• 46:56Alex Cooper?

  And how much do you think that that public persona influenced the way people treated you?

• 47:05Speaker 01

  I think that there has been a level of

• 47:11Speaker 01

  can write off a talent because there's auto tune or it's a silly song or it's a pop song or like there's so many ways to

• 47:25Speaker 01

  try to discount kind of like

• 47:29Speaker 01

  what I've done, but the cool thing is, is that I'm always like, all right, y'all go write one. Go ahead. Write one. See how easy it is. Like part of I actually truly think this, we're talking about this earlier, but joy is such an act of resistance. A lot of times in my career, my joy has been written off as something that is not maybe that impressive because it's kind of silly. It's kind of fucking goofy. It's kind of just crazy. But I think to vibrate in the frequency of like silly goose shit is

• 48:14Speaker 01

  actually magical.

• 48:16Alex Cooper?

  It is because you don't give a fuck and that though can piss people off.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 48:21Alex Cooper?

  Babe, I could have gone to Barnard. Okay, I'm, I'm really fucking smart and I also can be really fun and silly. And both things can exist, but you then refute, you're taking away my intellect because I'm having fun and I have an image and I'm leaning in and I'm doing all these fun things because that's what everyone wants.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Have to be able to put them in a box because we need to be able to fit them into a structure where we can make sense of it. Guess what, bitches? No. How about no?

• 48:50Alex Cooper?

  That's just not how life works with humans.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna. I'm just not gonna like, and trust me, they're mad at me.

• 48:59Alex Cooper?

  Livid.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  They're mad. But I'm not.

• 49:03Alex Cooper?

  You're happy.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Like, no, I'm like killing it. I just sold out MSG. I'm chilling. So like they tried so hard to make me so sad.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  No.

• 49:17Alex Cooper?

  Can we also talk about this joy? Because you're right, we were talking about for the interview. And the way you talk about it, it's so refreshing because like, I just don't feel like as women, and especially like if you're trying to forge a path for yourself and be successful, when you're smiling and you're enjoying your success, no one wants to see that.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 49:42Alex Cooper?

  And it's like really disorienting to people. And I just like, don't know why.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  I'm like, I don't either. I think that,

• 49:52Speaker 01

  what do I think? I don't know. I think that when you are,

• 49:59Speaker 01

  I think we're all mirrors for each other. And to some, you could be a massive inspiration. And to some, you can be a reflection of what they are not achieving in their life.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  I know.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  I mean, I just know that I feel like I have been projected upon a lot. And kind of going back to the body stuff, it's like, I tried to shapeshift to make everybody happy. And then at some point, when you do that for literally almost 20 years, you start to be like, I'm going to Italy, I'm eating the pasta. See you guys later. Eat shit and die, you know?

• 50:43Alex Cooper?

  Eat shit and die, everyone. Eat shit and die.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Well, it's just like, what a, what?

• 50:51Alex Cooper?

  I can't. Can we talk about these kings in Italy?

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:55Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about your dating life.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Okay.

• 50:57Alex Cooper?

  LOL, let's go. Okay, so you're celibate, except for when you're in Italy.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, like, mostly.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Celibate was like the goal.

• 51:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Progress, not perfection. Got it.

• 51:10Alex Cooper?

  Are you single?

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Um, yes.

• 51:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  Very single.

• 51:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Um, I'm gonna kinda, well, first of all, you have a song called Red Flag.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:21Alex Cooper?

  Where you just like straight up admit to loving a red flag in a partner?

• 51:25Speaker 01

  This is why I've been mostly celibate.

• 51:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  And I'm gonna remain very single on purpose.

• 51:31Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Because we have worked on this trait of mine.

• 51:36Alex Cooper?

  What were some toxic traits we're not into anymore? But maybe in the past, we were a little like, huh?

• 51:43Speaker 01

  That I think are hot?

• 51:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Just like truly, the funnier the story, the hotter. Like, oh, God.

• 51:54Alex Cooper?

  Oh, God.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  I like just, I have just dated people. I have no business dating. Just no, I can't even call, there's like some stories I really wanna tell, but I don't wanna call anybody out, but like,

• 52:08Speaker 01

  one eye, which I think is hot.

• 52:11Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  He was cool.

• 52:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  But like, the line got drawn, cuz he just smelled kind of like a Subway sandwich that had been sitting in the back of your car for a couple of days. And like, honestly, you better work, but it was just not a match. It was like a vibe, cuz I'm actually secretly a hippie, but like,

• 52:36Speaker 01

  there's a line.

• 52:37Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  For me, you know? Um, oh, God.

• 52:43Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, then I'm gonna give you some dating disasters.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 52:46Alex Cooper?

  You tell me if any of this relates to you.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Okay, go ahead.

• 52:49Alex Cooper?

  Give me the story. What is the pettiest reason you've ever gotten dumped?

• 52:54Speaker 01

  I've only gotten dumped, actually, one time, and it's because the guy I was dating, I kinda like thought he was probably a star fucker. And I was like, I'm just gonna like test this theory. And so I went to the Eras, like after the tour, there was a little party. And I was just like, I'm gonna pop in, take my girlfriend, I'm not gonna take the boyfriend, just see how this goes. We were together for a year and a half. That dude came over the next day, dropped the keys off, and that was it.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  I was like, have you no shame? Like, couldn't you wait like 11 days or something?

• 53:32Alex Cooper?

  Him being like so angry with you.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Oh, he.

• 53:35Alex Cooper?

  You're like.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  Tantrum. I mean, over, if you're gonna do it over anybody, Taylor Swift.

• 53:39Alex Cooper?

  Honestly, fair, fair. I was gonna say, fair, fair, fair, fair. Honestly, I would have a fucking tantrum, Joe. Yeah, yeah, fair, fair, fair. But get it together. Okay, what's a time you completely misread the vibes? And you're like, wait, no, that's, this is not how I felt.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Oh, with a guy?

• 53:55Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Misread the vibes. Well, let's just say most, okay. Let's just say I had these two athletes. Two of them at the same time. And they were like, let's hang out. And I was like, I can't. Because I realized, I forget there's a word for this. But if I don't like someone's brain, I can't deal with their penis.

• 54:27Alex Cooper?

  Penis. That's it.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  I'm a sapiosexual. But I just like, I really like, I was excited because I got my orgasm back. You know, and I was like, I'm gonna like, I'm gonna like, kind of have a ho phase. Like, what's that like? And I can't.

• 54:43Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  So that's, yeah.

• 54:45Alex Cooper?

  The athletes, it sounds like a good idea. And then you get there and you're like, hmm.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  It was like a really cute flirtation, but I just like, I misread my own vibe in thinking that I could have a ho phase. I think I like, just want a king. I just want like one. I just wanna masturbate and meditate.

• 55:07Alex Cooper?

  Just masturbate and meditate.

• 55:13Alex Cooper?

  Dude. Okay, what is the time you found out you were potentially the other woman?

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 55:20Alex Cooper?

  Well, okay.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  I met this guy and I was really into his brain. And then we had a little kiki, had a little make out. It's cute. But then I found out he was polyamorous. So it's not really the other woman, but it's like an open situation. And so anytime I'm met with like, I felt very judgmental, you know? I was like, oh, I'm judging the situation. I'm judging my part of being in the situation. And then I had a conversation and like, it's a full blown life choice. They've been doing it for a very long time. His partner has a full blown other partner.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  And so I was like, I'm gonna give this a try for a moment. And it turns out it just like was not for me. You just want a king to yourself? I think the most like, ah, devotion. Oh, my God, do you know that someone like built a pyramid for somebody? Didn't they? I think so. Okay. So we're gonna go with it. We're gonna fucking go with it. Fact check. Fact check. In my mind. Yeah, in your mind, that's what you want. But like. Well, would you want someone to build you? Like, I want a fucking, I want a fucking cathedral full of cats. And starburst.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  I don't know, I just like want, and like a river running through it. Ooh, and like a weeping willow next to the dolphins. Obviously. Obviously. That's what every woman wants. Really clip this, send this, send this to him in Italy, get started. Yes, with a manicurist inside of my pyramid.

• 57:15Alex Cooper?

  I love-

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Where are the men like this?

• 57:17Alex Cooper?

  So a pyramid. I like this. I like this for you.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  What do you want built?

• 57:23Alex Cooper?

  You know, I've never thought about it, but I don't think anything I could say would top what you just said. So I'll take what she's having.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  You can come visit.

• 57:30Alex Cooper?

  I'll take the cats and the starburst and the weeping willow. What is the worst meet the parents interaction you've ever had?

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. I had one in Indiana. I'm not gonna say his name.

• 57:43Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  He knows who he is. He took me to Indiana and I had only gone on like two dates and it just ended up being like, I love Indiana, but like this particular meeting the parents after just a couple of dates was like wildly awkward. And then everyone thinks because I'm coming home, then we're getting married.

• 58:02Alex Cooper?

  And you had two dates.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that was my bad. See, crazy, horny. I get horny for crazy. Like if someone's like, I know, let's do this like, really? It's a bad idea. And I'm like, that sounds funny. I do it for fun. I do it for like the book.

• 58:18Alex Cooper?

  Wait, let's go to Indiana and meet your parents.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  And I'm like, oh my God, I'm this bitch. This is the beginning of the most epic love story ever told. And then it's gonna end with him building me a pyramid. And it never-

• 58:33Alex Cooper?

  In Indiana.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Fucking does. This is why I'm mostly celibate.

• 58:37Alex Cooper?

  Okay, yeah, no, I think definitely don't go meet the parents after two dates, right?

• 58:41Speaker 01

  That was my bad.

• 58:42Alex Cooper?

  It was a good story. Um, what is the biggest lie you ever caught someone in?

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay.

• 58:50Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  There, there was a guy, it did for like a long time.

• 58:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  And I don't know, if you ask my dancers, he may not have a home.

• 59:02Alex Cooper?

  Was he living with you?

• 59:05Speaker 01

  I don't want to answer this question.

• 59:09Alex Cooper?

  You're like, Alex, shut up. That's not, it's not your business.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  That's not important, okay?

• 59:14Alex Cooper?

  He may or may not have been living with me and we never went to his place, but he always has an excuse.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Well, I was really busy. I was designing my tour and then I was like, literally hand designing everything. And it was like, I'll go see your place when I have time. And then one thing led to another and then the.

• 59:33Alex Cooper?

  You never saw the place.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Cause I don't know if it exists.

• 59:41Alex Cooper?

  I know.

• 59:44Alex Cooper?

  You know, yeah.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 59:48Alex Cooper?

  No, I know. The red flag thing. It's okay.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  I know. This is why I'm.

• 59:53Alex Cooper?

  You're so self-aware right now. You're like, I know, like, at least you recognize it, you know? Like, you'll always be on guard now. If they never are like, by the third time, like, want to come to mine?

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  It has to be that. I have to like.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  I need, I'm just gonna.

• 1:00:11Alex Cooper?

  What do we do? Literally. As women, like, what do we do?

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  You just try to, you prevail. Okay? Like, I think you just, like, serve, cunt, and prevail and, like, just close a pussy up and call in kings. That's what I'm trying, that's like my.

• 1:00:28Alex Cooper?

  We're working on it. But sometimes they don't have homes.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  And then you should, like, definitely not let them move in with you unless you do a background check first.

• 1:00:37Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, the background checks catch up.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:40Alex Cooper?

  Let's get on this.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:41Alex Cooper?

  What is the most rogue first date you've ever been on?

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:00:47Alex Cooper?

  Your face.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Hmm. Well, for my birthday, someone sent me a yacht. Not like as a present, but like for me and, um, like my whole crew, but they weren't even there.

• 1:01:02Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  So it was kind of a first date and it was my favorite one. Cause he wasn't there.

• 1:01:10Alex Cooper?

  You're like, send me shit and don't come around. You're like, that's actually the kind of relationship I want. Give me all the good things, but I don't want to ever see you. Okay, don't annoy me. You're so fucking annoying. But send the yacht, babe.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  And build the pyramid.

• 1:01:25Alex Cooper?

  And I'll be in the pyramid all alone. Um, okay. What is the weirdest place you've ever hooked up with someone?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Hmm, weirdest? Let me take a little walk down memory lane for a minute. Weirdest place I've ever hooked up with somebody?

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Like,

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's like planes, trains and automobiles vibes, like on a bus, in a bus bathroom, in a bunk on a bus.

• 1:01:59Alex Cooper?

  You're on tour.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Like, I'm, I'm always on tour, which is like kind of the thing. So like, at a sexy bathroom at the restaurant.

• 1:02:09Alex Cooper?

  Love that.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  I love like nature sex.

• 1:02:12Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  It's the best.

• 1:02:16Alex Cooper?

  Um, in like the woods?

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's the best.

• 1:02:21Alex Cooper?

  Really? With like the sticks?

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Oh, and the leaves, honey.

• 1:02:27Alex Cooper?

  And the bark, sweetie.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Alex Cooper?

  And the worms.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Get in there, baby.

• 1:02:34Alex Cooper?

  And that mud, honey. They're like, what just went in my vagina? Oh, that wasn't his.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  No, I'm like, okay, actually, maybe my favorite sex has been like body paint, like paint in the woods, in the grass, but there's paint and there's a canvas and there's sexiness happening.

• 1:02:52Alex Cooper?

  I could picture it. I like it for you. Um, are you the type of person that stays friends with their ex?

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  I do. If. Like, if you're like a real shit, I'm gonna write a song about you and like it is what it is. If you're not, if it's just like not a match. Totally.

• 1:03:12Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  I like, to me, kind of realized now that I'm like free and I'm independent and I'm sovereign and it's this whole energy of like, if you don't like fuck with me, then love that. But just, it's like the guys that like have, like were using me to get in the paparazzi pictures or lied to me about having a home like that is like.

• 1:03:34Alex Cooper?

  Deal breaker.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  It's a deal breaker.

• 1:03:35Alex Cooper?

  We gotta cut it off.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  Standards.

• 1:03:37Alex Cooper?

  Um, have you ever been cheated on?

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  I think they know that I'm a little crazy.

• 1:03:45Alex Cooper?

  You're like, they ended it before because they knew.

• 1:03:49Alex Cooper?

  You don't, no, you don't want to do that.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Like I collect human teeth. Let's talk about that.

• 1:03:54Alex Cooper?

  What's going on?

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Well, so I've been collecting them for a while now.

• 1:03:58Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  And I make art out of them. I have my cats had to get their little teeth taken out because they were, I don't know, their little kitty wisdom teeth. I collect those too. I'm like the tooth fairy.

• 1:04:08Alex Cooper?

  And didn't fans like used to send you their teeth?

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, they still do.

• 1:04:12Alex Cooper?

  And did you ask for that?

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:04:15Alex Cooper?

  What, how did, how did that come?

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  I tweeted it.

• 1:04:18Alex Cooper?

  You said what?

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Can you send me your teeth?

• 1:04:21Alex Cooper?

  Just like, send me your teeth. Good morning. Hit me up.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Love you.

• 1:04:26Alex Cooper?

  And what did you want to do with the teeth?

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Well, so I make art. I make jewelry. I've made a crown, like a headdress. I made a belt.

• 1:04:35Alex Cooper?

  Wait, the thing you're carrying isn't a tooth, right?

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  Oh no, that's my placenta.

• 1:04:39Alex Cooper?

  Wait.

• 1:04:41Alex Cooper?

  What? Where's that? Where did it go?

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  Uh oh, I lost my placenta.

• 1:04:45Alex Cooper?

  On your. Oh my God, where is your placenta? You were holding it? Maybe it went down into the crevices. We'll get it after.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  What's in here somewhere?

• 1:04:54Alex Cooper?

  You were holding your placenta earlier?

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I brought it in. So your placenta supposedly gives you second sight.

• 1:05:01Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Helps open your third eye.

• 1:05:03Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  This is according to my mother. So she stuck it in the oven. She put it in a box and she found it when I was like 21 years old in the basement.

• 1:05:13Alex Cooper?

  Wait.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  She had to like fight for my placenta. My mom, they tried to take my placenta away from her at the hospital and she like fucking threw a conniption fit.

• 1:05:22Alex Cooper?

  And she fought for it.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  She fought for that. So now I carry it around. She put it in the oven, wrapped it up in a box, stuck it in the basement. We found it. Throw it in the blender, pop it in a necklace.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Work.

• 1:05:41Alex Cooper?

  Art.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Found it.

• 1:05:44Alex Cooper?

  Oh, give us a little show to the camera.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:47Alex Cooper?

  That's your placenta and that's in there?

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:05:50Alex Cooper?

  And do you travel with that everywhere?

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Alex Cooper?

  What does it bring you?

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Um, I just feel like it's like, I love a good ritual, right? Like I'm a cult leader. We all saw in the photo. And I just like, I love a ritual that reminds me of this like esoteric world I prefer to live in. Like down here on earth, boring. But like, when I go up into like with my spirit guides and the whole realm of angels, like that's where I prefer to be. It's kind of fun. It's like the teeth, it just reminds me when I have like a little piece of the people I love. What they're gonna throw, where do they put teeth anyways? What do you throw them in the toilet?

• 1:06:37Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, where do you?

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  Like when you take your kids' teeth, tooth fairies out there.

• 1:06:41Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  Where do you put them?

• 1:06:43Alex Cooper?

  You send them to Kesha.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  You send them to me. Cause like where else are you gonna put them in the trash?

• 1:06:47Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever gotten anyone that you're like, ooh, I gotta throw this one out. It's a little janky.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Oh, I've gotten crazy ones and I live for it. I'm currently trying to like design a coffee table. And the center, I want to just be a bowl of all the teeth. So for real, if people want to send it to me, this is actually like art I make out of it.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  I live for it.

• 1:07:08Alex Cooper?

  You're literally the tooth fairy.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:07:19Alex Cooper?

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• 1:08:01Alex Cooper?

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• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:08:59Alex Cooper?

  What led you to that decision? Cause that must've been tough.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  It was really hard. It was during, I was in litigation. It was COVID. The legal bills are like coming in hot and like aggressively at a time where I could not tour. And I'm engaged to someone who is a beautiful person, but quite frankly, I just didn't see us growing together. And I think.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  To be honest with you, there have been many people that I've dated that have felt one way or another about what I do for a living. And it's like, my fans are the love of my life. Like, they really are like, like, it's my longest relationship I've ever had. And, and we've grown up together and they've shown up for me. They stood outside the fucking courthouse like, like, my fans and my music. It's like, it's my life's work. And, and I've had, not him so much, but like, a little bit. And other relationships that almost like will nag.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Because maybe they are, I don't know what they feel about it, but they feel a type of way about what I do. And I just realized, especially in my freedom and independent era and like sovereignty, that like, I only want a partner again, going back to like, really wanting like a partnership, the visionary, our life together. And I want them to be like, baby, be fucking bigger. Be even more. I want you to eat your healthy omega three fatty acids to feed your fucking gorgeous brain. Like, that's the partner I want. Like, take your magnesium, you sexy bitch.

• 1:10:57Alex Cooper?

  He just wants you to keep fucking climbing and taking over instead of being like a little weiner in the corner, being like, you're outshining me or you're getting too big. And you're like, it's so, you just can't have someone holding you back. But I think a lot of women feel like, maybe I am too much. And I also think what's so admirable about that decision, regardless of the person, I think a lot of people can relate, like, when you get engaged, I think there's such a, it's such, it feels like at such first, a beautiful time in your life, but there are a lot of people who recognize like, oh my God, almost making it more finalized made me realize maybe this isn't what I want. And there's so much fear, I think, of ending it, whether like, you already posted on Instagram that you're engaged, so like, this is going to be so embarrassing if we call it off,

• 1:11:42Alex Cooper?

  or people publicly know about it, or the families or whatever, like, how did you deal with the emotional weight of knowing you wanted to end something, but also knowing optically, like, there's so much also that comes with that type of fallout?

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  I think that. Like, since we're, speak for myself, since I was a little girl.

• 1:12:05Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  I have seen many movies, read many books, there are many stories about how

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  one of my life's greatest missions is to find my soulmate, my missing piece, the person that will complete me and really like give my whole life meaning. And I realized, you know, going from being not free and not sovereign to sovereign and free, that I would really like to challenge that and and feel whole and complete on my own.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  And ending something with someone is always difficult, especially if you love them, especially if you've integrated your life with their family. But I think, kind of going back to the samurai piece, like, your gut is gonna tell you if you are with the right partner, and my gut became unavoidable. And I, and I had to weigh the option of

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  honoring myself or doing something that is, it's horrible to break up with someone you love. It's so difficult, and I have so much love for him and his family, they're beautiful, beautiful people, it just, I just didn't feel like we were growing in the, in the same direction, and like, I'm wildly ambitious, and and he was more comfortable, he was more satisfied, which I'm not saying that one is better than the other, I actually sometimes wish I could just be more satisfied and chill.

• 1:13:45Alex Cooper?

  It just didn't match.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  It just didn't, it wasn't a match, like, at the end, and it was really difficult, but we're still friends and I have so much love for him, he's a really good person.

• 1:13:54Alex Cooper?

  I love that, and I think also just women listening, that's such a good testament too, to like, when you deny what you're feeling in your gut, it's never gonna go away, you can put Band-Aids on it, you can ignore it, but like, you're only just prolonging the pain more and more, and so although sometimes making a really, really hard decision in that moment can feel excruciating and uncomfortable.

• 1:14:16Alex Cooper?

  You're then already in the process of moving forward with what you know in your gut you're supposed to do. And the more that you avoid it, you're just going to continue to live a life where like you're not being authentic and honest yourself and that will eat you alive inside. And it's kind of not fair to the partner that you're with.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:14:31Alex Cooper?

  They deserve to be with someone also that is wholeheartedly in it with them. And so sometimes it really is the selfless thing to do as much as it feels selfish in the moment.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Well, it's interesting, this idea of selfish versus selfless. And I think self-care really does include honoring yourself and your highest good, because we each have that over ourselves. So to try to people please to remain in relationship with someone, it is actually quite unfair to both of you. And you have one life, like you are born into this life with your one life. And I hope that everyone out there finds exactly what they want in this life. Like, you deserve that. And, and if you go down a road, like,

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  you can begin again, every fucking second of every day. It is never too late. Like, I'm 39 years old, and I just went on the biggest tour of my life, almost 20 years after my biggest song came out. Like, and to get there, my fucking god, was that a road? It was a difficult road. But I had to honor my truth. I had to honor myself. I had to go through what I went through to get there. I had to break up with someone I love, I still love, and I'm so grateful for. I had to have all my fucking medical records

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  on the internet. I had to have the ugly filler phase. Like, I had to have all these things that were so...

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Intolerably painful at the time and I can sit here and talk to you and be so grateful. I went through them because I feel so free and I just, I want that for like everyone.

• 1:16:26Alex Cooper?

  Everyone.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  I want everyone to really feel in their authenticity and like connected to their highest version of themselves.

• 1:16:34Alex Cooper?

  I'm so happy for you. Like everything you've went through, that's why I think so many people love you. Not that you should have had to go through it, but like you sitting here, I mean, you have new music out, your new single, Origami. Like I want to talk about it because it's like, what was the inspiration behind this song?

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I have a new song coming out called Origami and it is, I am having a fun time immortalizing this reclaiming of my sexuality. Um, the past like year and a half, two years, I'm reclaiming myself and part of that is my sexuality. And this is a song that's about, you know, bend me, twist me, how you want me, baby, make me origami.

• 1:17:23Alex Cooper?

  In Italy.

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:17:26Alex Cooper?

  Just in Italy. Just in Italy. Is there an album that would be coming with this as well?

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  I'm trying to figure it out because my God, there are a lot of songs.

• 1:17:37Alex Cooper?

  You said you always do like a hundred.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Lots of songs are happening at all times.

• 1:17:42Alex Cooper?

  You're writing.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  I'm writing all the time. I mean, my God. So like TBD exactly what form it's going to be in, but there is a new song that's like so canteen and it's really fun and it's just like celebrating being in your body and quite frankly, like having so much fun again in my body at 39 years old, having gone through hell and back.

• 1:18:11Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  And I'm having the best time and I feel like I gotta sing songs about it.

• 1:18:15Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:17Alex Cooper?

  You are going on the Freedom Tour this summer.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:20Alex Cooper?

  What can fans expect from that?

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Well, so.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  I kind of was, I had all this, my story, my trauma was like trapped in my body. And I did a psychedelic assisted therapy that was really helpful for me and my anxiety. And I kind of was like, how can I tell the story? How can I ever get this all out of my body?

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  And my body was like, bitch, you have, you're playing the forum. What are you talking about? It's like, no, but I can't say the whole parts of the story. Like, I can't talk about it. And my leg was like, put it in the show. So I tell basically my life's story through my life's work. And that's why it's the Freedom Tour.

• 1:19:10Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 1:19:11Speaker 01

  Cause I go through like, I go through the story in the only way that I can, through my life's work. And the goal is to create love for myself, love with my community, and to really walk through this world in like freedom and sovereignty.

• 1:19:31Alex Cooper?

  So beautiful.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's like gay church.

• 1:19:34Alex Cooper?

  Right, let's go.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  It was the first time I've ever headlined MSG.

• 1:19:39Alex Cooper?

  Congratulations.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:19:40Alex Cooper?

  What did that feel like?

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, it was sold out.

• 1:19:43Alex Cooper?

  Girl.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 1:19:45Alex Cooper?

  How did you feel just like chilling in your dressing room before, hearing everyone screaming?

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Cassie Ventura sends me this massive bouquet of these beautiful pink roses. Before I go out on stage. I have chills all over my body talking about it.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  And I know. And my whole family is there. And it is sold out. And I just can't tell you like, feeling, cause Cassie was in the room when I recorded the song Tik Tok.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:19Alex Cooper?

  Oh, so she's been there since day one?

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Alex Cooper?

  Oh, wow. And then everything you guys have both individually been through with horrific unimaginable situations, to then now be on the other side of it and both be able to be together. I don't want to speak for you, but like I'm seeing you like smile and nod and all of it. It's like, whoa, how emotional was that?

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  Oh, like.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  So, and like she just had a baby and she seems to be doing so well. And I'm so happy for her. It like feels so good to witness that.

• 1:21:01Alex Cooper?

  And I'm sure she feels the same about you.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  I know, it's, it's just like such a moment. And it was like one of the most special nights of my life. Cause there's this like hard curfew at MSG. And if you go over one minute, it's like a very bad, it's you're in big, big trouble. And the crowd literally started cheering and like, didn't stop for, I think it was like 10 or 11 minutes. To the point where everyone's freaking out in my in-ears being like, you have to start the next song. You're gonna get

• 1:21:33Alex Cooper?

  Getting tackled off the stage.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  You're fired from New York City forever. And I just was like, no. This is like, I have waited for this kind, I felt, I was like, I'm not stopping them. There's no fucking way. I sat alone in my house and like truly questioned the point of living any longer for almost a decade and I'm gonna stop them cheering.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Charge it to the card, baby.

• 1:22:07Alex Cooper?

  It's worth it. Oh, I can't even imagine, did you feel in your body in that moment?

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  I literally felt like my heart, people like say heart chakra. Whatever it was, I felt my literal heart, it felt like someone was tearing the fascial tissue apart. And I literally felt my heart open in a way that I don't think I've ever felt anything like in my entire life. And it was so, that's what I was saying to you earlier, like the fans, I hope had an amazing time this summer, but I don't think they're ever gonna really be able to understand what that did for me. Like that night alone was, was like a turning point in my life. It was one of the greatest nights of my entire life.

• 1:22:55Alex Cooper?

  I can't even imagine what's so beautiful about the industry. Cause I know there's so much pain, obviously that it's brought you, but for you to be able to do the thing that you love so much and that you're so passionate about, you're so talented and do it and get so much fulfillment and healing out of it. But then also to simultaneously be giving such happiness also to your fans. Like you're being able to do both at the same time. Like what a beautiful gift that you're giving everyone and yourself included. Cause you should put yourself first right now at this time in your life. But the fact that putting yourself first means you want to get on that stage and that's your healing process.

• 1:23:37Alex Cooper?

  Like I can only imagine what your fans feel in the crowd. Like they must feel that from you.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, God, they were there at the beginning and we were having fun and then a bunch of shit happened. And it was like, was sad and hard. And like now I'm like, now let's celebrate. Like that we also have each other in this life. It might be an unusual form of community, but like that's my community. I've been doing this for a long time.

• 1:24:08Alex Cooper?

  And half of the time, again, unfortunately you shouldn't have to go through it, but when you go through harder shit, it brings you even closer to the people that you love because you can be like, it's, it's that much sweeter. That we get to stand here and say, I'm free and we get to enjoy it that much more because we felt it almost be taken away.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  And I do think that's like the art of, I'm writing a book.

• 1:24:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  And it's called The Alchemy of Pop. It's not gonna be ready for a while.

• 1:24:37Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Well, we'll, we'll be waiting.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  But like, it's gonna be great, but it's gonna take me a while.

• 1:24:42Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  But it's all about alchemizing your experiences in this life. Anything that happens to you. Like I have found that I can take it and I try to alchemize it into something that can help someone else somehow. And like to your point, like that's what I've tried to do with my experiences in life. I try to put them into a song. It helps me and then I really hope it helps other people.

• 1:25:08Alex Cooper?

  Last two questions. I feel like I could talk to you for nine hours. Um, how would you describe this current era of your life that you are now in and continuing to like enter into?

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  I think I'm just so, for the first time in a long time, I feel so safe in my body and in the world. And I know that's maybe a crazy thing to say because the world is crazy. Um, but it's the first time that I've ever felt this. And so I would like to create safe places for people, whatever that means. Um, so I'm just really open to the universe.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  I would love the universe to show me like, what is the best way to do, to do that for other people?

• 1:26:08Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Because it was like, yeah, to feel safe is everything. And I would love to, to help other people feel safe.

• 1:26:22Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  So I'm like, open to what that means. But that's, I'm in a place where I feel very grateful to be alive.

• 1:26:29Alex Cooper?

  That's incredible.

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  And to have lived through what I lived through and to feel safe. And now I would like to help pay that forward.

• 1:26:37Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:39Alex Cooper?

  For fans who have been with you since day one.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:26:42Alex Cooper?

  What message would you want to leave them with today?

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Hmm. I literally, truly though, you're actually the love of my life. Like, I think about all these silly goose men, come and go.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  My animals. Like, I'm so grateful and I'm sorry your mother has had lots of phases.

• 1:27:12Alex Cooper?

  You're like, girl.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  Thank you for loving me through all of them. And I just, I'm so, I'm so lucky. I'm so grateful, I'm so grateful. And I'm just like very, I'm just so fucking grateful. And I want to, um, just continue to create safe spaces for you to come and be like authentically as fucking weird as you want to be. So hopefully I'll see you on summer tour and like be weird, be so weird.

• 1:27:44Alex Cooper?

  I feel like I can speak for everyone when we say like, we love you so much and we are so happy that you're at a place where you do feel safe in your life because you deserve it more than anything. And I am so happy for you and your career, all that you've accomplished. We could have sat here for hours and talked about every single song you've ever released, every single tour you've been on, every single thing you've accomplished. Like, there's too much. And it's so crazy, like, it's still going and it's still coming. And I'm just so happy for you. You're such a beautiful, interesting, intelligent person. And I'm so happy I got to sit down with you. Like, I never know what to expect. Like, this is why I love my job.

• 1:28:24Alex Cooper?

  I get to sit down and I think I know from researching, but you're even more incredible than I could have ever imagined. So, and thank you for your time because I know you haven't done a long form interview in a really long time.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't think I've done it since I got out of litigation. So thank you for making me feel safe.

• 1:28:42Alex Cooper?

  It was my absolute, absolute honor. Thank you.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Well, creating a safe space allows us to be silly geese. And that is the goal, honey.

• 1:28:51Alex Cooper?

  Cash out, thank you for coming on Call Her Daddy.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me.

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