CyberTruck's Sales beat Ford Record; Manx 2.0; Q&A

New Cyber Truck data puts Ford to shame; Matt Farah has a driving update on his airplane-engine-powered Meyers Manx; when they sold bricks; a Cadillac limo you should want; Grand Seiko ambassador; and Patreon questions include: Did America make ANY good cars in the 80s?? Are Boxsters and Caymans undervalued? The old commuter cars we'd love to drive What to do with that family heirloom car Isn't that just a rebodied Boxster? The WORST thing spilled in a cabin was... Used EV for $20k? Are people cross-shopping the C8 with Porsche and Ferrari? Why do people hate the Grand Seiko Spring Drive? Would we ever race dirt bikes? The best cat toys are Why doesn't every car have an LSD? Ever miss the C5 Corvette or Fox Body? How to fail after the first time Our experience with the C208 CLK And more! Recorded July 28, 2026 The TST hoodie jackets: https://www.thegrottomenswear.com/thesmokingtire/ Tickets to our LIVE show at the Irvine Improv are going quick! https://improv.com/irvine/event/the+smoking+tire+live+feat.+smith+and+sniff+with+matt+farah%2C+zack+klapman%2C+richard+porter%2C+and+jonny+smith/14213624/ DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Avants https://avants.com/tst use code TST for 10% off your membership! Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:39Matt Farah?

  Alright folks, on this episode of the podcast, I give my Myers Manks a much-needed Canyon shakedown, plus getting ready for my scooter trip up the coast to San Francisco. The Cybertruck, as it turns out, is an enormous failure, and a whole lot more. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. Um, hi everybody, welcome to the show. Didn't intend to start with fucking four and a half minutes on healthcare, but here we are. That's the fucking world we live in, so welcome to the program. We did do some car things. The car thing I did was probably more exciting than the car thing Zach did. Zach drove an electric SUV to a doctor's office.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  I drove my car today. Um, yeah, but anyway, but yeah, I drove.

• 1:25Matt Farah?

  The IONIQ 9, which actually seems like kind of a mildly delightful vehicle. I mean, at least aesthetically, it's pleasing, I think.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  I mean Hyundai and Genesis, you know, we've driven a bunch of them. They continue to, I think, over-deliver for the price. You open the door, like, it looks, it looks like a fancy doctor's office in there. This was like, cream interior, a lot of fake brushed aluminum, right, not white, and like, soft lighting and the buttons and stuff. Yeah, they made it look real fancy for a lot less money.

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  Who have they, who have they copied in fancy space? I think, I think they kind of, in their interiors, are doing what sort of Range Rover is doing in the same?

• 2:05Speaker 01

  I think that's probably the most accurate. I think for a while, it was Mercedes, and now, I do think they've kind of become their own thing. I think when you look in a Genesis or a Hyundai, you just go, oh, this is a Korean car. But, meaning like, there's a certain aesthetic that I now, I don't see, I don't see it in Honda or Acura, I don't see it from Germany. It's like their color choices, the button design, the shape of things, all of that stuff.

• 2:30Matt Farah?

  Cadillacs look a little Korean, on the inside. The way they've got their screen, the big widescreen.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean more like, just the, the cutouts of the buttons. It's like, it's ovals instead of squares. Cadillac is very square.

• 2:44Matt Farah?

  They are very square.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  So, that's what I mean. There's a lot more like, softness.

• 2:48Matt Farah?

  I guess I was thinking IONIQ 5, which is a little more square, whereas the Genesis's are very oval-y.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Very oval-y.

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Very, uh, non-offensive, you know, not sharp edges. Think, it's very calming.

• 3:00Matt Farah?

  It's non-committal.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  It's like a spa, dude, it is. It's like a now massage room in there.

• 3:04Matt Farah?

  I, I happen to like the GV60 Electric, very, very much. I thought that was a fucking dope ass car. I real, and actually, I just, uh, I might have convinced, uh, my sister-in-law Jillian to buy one, or lease one.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  Her Volvo, I can't believe it's been three years already, but her Volvo S60 lease is up already, which she loved. Her S60 Hybrid, she like, loved, and so, now she wants to go full electroco. And she was like, what was that like, cool-looking froggy Bentley thing? What's that?

• 3:36Speaker 01

  That is a great description of it. It is all those things, yeah.

• 3:40Matt Farah?

  It's like a, it's like a tadpole that hasn't yet grown into a Bentley.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Its face has grown to frog, and the back is still tadpole, yeah. Also, a little bit of like, uh, Zhao, what's the superfast Chinese car? Like, the light, the light shape of...

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  If I tried to guess, Zhao Mi, the XU7.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, the round 720-esque kind of thing, yeah, it's a little bit of that.

• 4:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a, that's a lovely car, so she may lease one of those, uh, next.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Nice. Scoop one of those in the used market, it'd be good.

• 4:07Matt Farah?

  Someone, uh, someone, excuse me. My nephew Cole, okay, who I plugged on the last podcast, who just did his teen tour, or whatever you call those now, in Japan and Korea.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  What?

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  Cole.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, what's a teen tour?

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  What's a teen tour?

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, is it, did I just show my privilege? Maybe I did.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  You do, but I don't know if you just did.

• 4:28Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't know, the audience can decide for themselves. A teen tour is a, a mini camp. It's a trip for a group of teenagers to a typically culturally interesting place, as opposed to like, a spring breaky type place.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Like birthright, but you pay for it?

• 4:46Matt Farah?

  It's non, yeah, like, non-religious birthright, and you pay for it. Yes, actually, yes, basically, yes, it's that. So, he went to Japan and Korea, and had like, the fucking time of his life.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 4:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, he's like, he's, no, he's hooked on this shit, and all his car, he's taking pictures of all the crazy, you know, JDM cars he saw, and he's in Korea, and he goes, "Check out this photo." And he shows me a photo he got of the lobby, the, outside the lobby of his hotel, and it's like, some big G-Wagon, some supercar, and a Genesis GV60 Magma in the orange. And I was like, "Holy shit, look at that!" I didn't even know that was like, on sale. It might be on sale in Korea already. But like, it was up, right up front, and this may have been for some publicity reason, I don't know. He's young, he wouldn't have known to look for the signs of it being like, an M plate or something like that.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Prices were released there six months ago.

• 5:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, so maybe it's on sale.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  And, uh, some people have done reviews of them, I guess, over there.

• 5:49Matt Farah?

  So maybe it's a press car, or it's on sale. But he caught, he caught one in the wild, a Magma, and I was actually pretty stoked. I was like, dude, that orange crossover is like, the most interesting thing in that photo.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're like, we really like this car. Uh, it is a good-looking car.

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  That's cool. Alright, so is there anything, what else is there to report on the IONIQ 9?

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 6:10Matt Farah?

  Are you not prepared?

• 6:11Speaker 01

  I was not prepared for that.

• 6:12Matt Farah?

  Alright, you don't have to, for, we'll circle back to it.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  I put on Instagram with, "Ask me anything," and I'll see what the people ask, and I'll come back with some information.

• 6:18Matt Farah?

  Okay, we can save that. I, finally, uh, you know, I didn't have any press cars, and I took the Manks to the canyons. Uh, Malibu canyons, not Angeles Forest, to be fair. A little tighter, more technical, but, um, my, uh, I don't actually think I took any pictures of it. Um, my neighbors, uh, Ryan and Dr. Amit, are part of the My First Porsche Club. Um, a bunch, a bunch of my neighbors, everyone my age in my neighborhood is in the My First Porsche Club.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  My favorite kid's book.

• 6:53Matt Farah?

  I'm, I'm a little ahead of, of these guys, but, uh, a lot of 997Ss, uh, a lot of 9964Ss. These seem to be the popular choice for my neighborhood. Um, unsurprisingly, great cars. And so, they're like, learning Canyon driving as well. It's like that. And so, you know, I, I led them on a, a little drive in Malibu, and, uh, now that the Manks has the upgraded cooling, and upgraded oil, like, all this stuff has been upgraded, and I've been driving it around, I drove it on the highway, the temps, the, the thermal loads are like, really

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  good, like, nothing is over 195, everything is super steady. I cruised like, 20 miles or so on the freeway at like, 75 miles an hour, allegedly, of course, uh, up over the, over the hill, uh, to the 101, on a, on a hot morning, and, uh, everything was great. I have to say, the car's, the car's happy cruising place is really like, 67. Like, I did, I was going faster than I wanted to go in it, just to see if the engine would...

• 8:02Speaker 01

  How does it feel at that speed? You know, tracking straight, yes, is it just too windy? Or like, are you aware of how fragile you are in a vehicle at that speed?

• 8:12Matt Farah?

  It tracks straight, it drives, like, it drives really not, like, here's what, where I was building to, is that, now that I'm no longer worried about running the engine too hard, because the thermal capacity is where it needs to be, I'm actually finding out that the car has very interesting dynamics, and, and actually, it's really fun. So like, under about 70, it's, it's a totally normal, fun, it's the Vespa on, of cars. Um, it's not too windy, it's not too bumpy, it's not too dirty, uh, the brakes are, are more than

• 8:54Matt Farah?

  sufficient. Um, you're exposed, I mean, you are, you are aware of the consequences of, of all actions around you, and so, I don't follow people too close in this car. Um, you know, and I, on the highway, I, you know, I don't drive it like a dickbag. I drive it a little more chilled, and a little more attentive, but it's a fucking disco ball, so like, people see you. It's not like, it's not like you blend, you know, so you're small, but you are, you are a radiant ball of light, um, as much as any car can be. And so, um, it's not terr, it's, the wheelbase is so short, that it actually doesn't do the, the, the, the, the, the, like, in harmony, and it's actually kind of okay on the 405, which

• 9:36Matt Farah?

  is very, which is pleasant. Um, it can be a little dirty when you have a, when you've got a harsh expansion joint that's on an angle, you can go, there's a little bit of a skip.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:49Matt Farah?

  You know, like, like on the 90, going back towards my house, there's one that's on an angle, and it's a little bit of a skip. Um, but, uh, the, the valving of the shocks they've redone is really nice. Uh, the bumps are no longer enough to, you know, it moves your foot on the pedal when you hit bumps, but they've retuned it, so that no longer affects the throttle. And, um, I've also realized that like, now that I'm not worried about it getting hot, I'm using the top half of the powerband more, and it's really, it's a fucking airplane engine, so believe it or not, shocking, it's best above 2500 RPM. Uh, below 2500 RPM, it really does lug a little bit, and so...

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Is that usually where you were living with it before?

• 10:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, I was keeping it, you know, between 2,000 and 4,000, and now, it's really more like, 2,505 is really where you want to be. You want to keep it above 2,500, and it's much smoother and kind of happier, which is cool.

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• 13:01Matt Farah?

  One more time, www dot joindelete.me dot com slash tire, code tire. Um, on, on like the tight and technical bits. It's really fun to be able to like lean into the left-hand corners and kind of be like almost outside the car a little bit. Um, to use your own body as part of the weight transfer. Um, it's incredibly analog. Everything is manual. Like I normally, I hate fucking manual brakes, but this car is so light. That it's just, it's fine. Um, you feel so much through the tire. You feel so much through the steering. Everything is completely manual and analog, but the car is so light, the inputs are so light that it's not like a workout.

• 13:46Matt Farah?

  Um, so usually when everything is manual, even in a light car, it ends up somehow being exhausting. This is not.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Well, I think that sometimes that happens if the car is aggressively sprung because it's like a track thing, you know? So then it's like, it's moving around a lot. You're also driving faster. The feedback through the, the wheels to the steering wheel is more aggressive, but this is a little bit gentler.

• 14:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And also that's, it's got some body roll, you know, it's got some weight transfer when you move it around. It's, it's obviously rear engine, but it's less rear engine than it would be if it was a four-cylinder. For instance, less rear weight bias. Um, and, and because it's got, you know, weight transfer. You can, you know, put the weight on the nose and turn into a corner, but if you get back on the power, you have to wait. You really have to wait. You're not getting back on the power early because it's just gonna push.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, the engine's like behind the rear axle, right? I mean, it's way out there.

• 14:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And like, it's not like fast really. I mean, it, it, if you put your foot down, like it scoots, but like. The confidence for the corners, you're not going that fast. You're probably going the speed you would be going in a 356. Like that's about, that's about the same vibe in a fast 356.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  It's like a little quicker than a Prius, I think, you know, when you, when you jump on it, the one we drove when we filmed the video. Like it's torquey and fun and you're like, ooh, from like six to 45, it like, it moves, but so much of that. Is the body roll gives you a lot of, you know, sensation of speed and, and it kind of like, it makes it really enjoyable.

• 15:17Matt Farah?

  I think it's, it's. It's so, it is. It's got a huge sensation of speed. Look, two guys in relatively modern Porsches. That are new to driving, thought we were going quick. Right? Like, they were like, they thought that was quick and it wasn't that quick for us. But for a novice, you know, you're not holding people up. You're, you're, you're not holding anybody up in this thing. It's like, it's. It isn't slow. It's just not flying. It's, it's, but for a vintage thing. For a, considering what it, the era it represents, the era in which it was fundamentally developed.

• 16:00Matt Farah?

  It's not that slow. You, you have to, you have to try it. It's so goddamn fun.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  I, I hope so. Yeah, I'm sure it is. The yellow was fun. I drove, what did I drive yours? Maybe I drove yours.

• 16:11Matt Farah?

  What?

• 16:11Speaker 01

  I drove the gray one for the video.

• 16:13Matt Farah?

  You drove the gray one for the video. This is, well, now this is, this is a world apart from where it was.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  What's nice is that when you, you know, you're driving up the one and you can feel and sound like you're kind of in a weird VW Beetle. But then when you turn up the canyon, you don't continue to feel like you're in an old Beetle.

• 16:29Matt Farah?

  No, it's got power.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  You chugging along and I know there's some Beetle people that have fast cars, but like, I just meant the average speed.

• 16:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, even if you had, if you had this, if you had 150 horsepower, 175 horsepower in a fucking Beetle, you'd be hauling ass. Yeah. This is a very, it's a, it's like a supermoto. I mean, it's a supermoto with four wheels. You're, you're leaning, you're banging gears. The pedals are great. The inputs are great. The seat, the seating position is really nice.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  You know what it is? It's a bowling ball that fucked a side by side. That's what it is.

• 17:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And dude, I gotta tell you this.

• 17:08Matt Farah?

  Everybody loves you and you know, we, you know, you can look, everybody loves you, but like people love you. They shouldn't love you. Like dude, like I'm, like I'm kinda hitting it up.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Nick Fuentes is like, you know what, Farah, Jewish Farah, I'm actually okay with you right now.

• 17:28Matt Farah?

  Alex Jones was like, hell yeah, brother.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  That's the first frog I've seen that I like.

• 17:35Matt Farah?

  Uh, I'd fuck that frog. Um, dude, I got smiles and waves from cyclists. While mobbing past them at speed, like, like it, it exploded my mind. I had beautiful, single women. I don't know if they're single, but they were in their cars by themselves. Talking about, talking about like, oh, like, like pointing, smiling, wait, like. You wanna meet people? This is your motherfucking chariot. Like this is the.

• 18:13Matt Farah?

  The reaction from, you know, it's like, if you roll up next to a beautiful woman as a man who looks like this. In a, in a, in a, in an aggressive sports car and try and be like, hey, that's a 50/50. Maybe 30, maybe 30, negative 30, kind of neutral and 30 positive, maybe, right? If it's, if it's like a badass car in this, it's like a hundred. Like a, like crazy how.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  But it also doesn't advertise, you know, your wealth the way a Ferrari would. Cause at Ferrari, of that 30% that dig what you're driving. A, a percentage of them are just looking at the resources you hold and not actually the car. So that can be dangerous. But the Manx, they might go, what does this cost? $12? I, I don't know. Like it's, it looks old, but it's not. And so it's cool.

• 19:05Matt Farah?

  You know what I had someone tell me though? It, it, they, they saw it. They saw it at the other day at the gas station and I was like, you know, tell them what it is. And they go, oh, this is like way better than a golf cart. I go, a golf cart? I go, are you fucked? This is like 150 plus horsepower golf cart. I was like, I drive, he drives on the highway. And he's like, yeah, well, you know, it's like, you know, a golf cart. I was like, all right, man.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Weird comparison.

• 19:30Matt Farah?

  Weird comparison. Some people are just like, yeah, I was like, this is a, it's a car and not a golf cart. And he was like, well, you know, he was like.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Look, maybe he thinks in golf cart.

• 19:40Matt Farah?

  I guess, but it, dude, it was, it was so fun. Um, I, I had the, I had the best time driving it. Um, noise cancelling headphones, you know, do make a lot, a lot of difference. But it's just, it's, it's set up real nice. When I got home and parked it in the garage, I left it overnight. There was a little, little drip of uh, trans fluid and uh.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  That happens.

• 20:04Matt Farah?

  It happens. It's a, it's a rebuilt gearbox, but with a 50-year-old, you know, original case. And so he said, you know, sometimes when you, uh, when you drive them hard on a hot day. There's a, there's like a vent, you know, and it can like vent out some of the trans fluid. And so I actually did a little bit of wrenching, got the port off, checked. It was a little, uh, a little low. I topped it off and.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Oh, you'd lost enough where then it was.

• 20:32Matt Farah?

  I'd lost about a hundred milliliters, 110 milliliters.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  What is that in hamburgers?

• 20:37Matt Farah?

  It's like, it's like 2% of the, of the capacity. It was not, it was not significant. But it was just like, I've now learned, Mike from Manx was like, yeah, if you drive them real hard and it's hot. The gear oil can get really thin. It can come out the vent, lose a little bit. He's like, it's not, you know, not a big deal. But if it's, if it's dripping under the car, you may want to check the level.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 21:01Matt Farah?

  That's just like, I guess Volkswagen people will be like, yep, because it's a, it is a ultimately a VW gearbox, although re, uh, re, uh. Done by, you know, racy people.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 21:11Matt Farah?

  So.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  They're really fun. It's the same thing as the Morgan, any of these cars that are fun for us to drive. But don't look intimidating or like you're trying to say, you know, something.

• 21:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  And especially if it's like a sparkly color or a friendly thing, the whole like.

• 21:25Matt Farah?

  It sounds weird.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  The top down, no windows, like it just, it looks like you don't take yourself that seriously. And I think people like that. It's a more, it's a, it's a friendly, fun vehicle.

• 21:35Matt Farah?

  It's fucking great, dude. Uh, it makes me so, it makes me so happy, that thing. It's crazy how happy it makes me to drive it. It's just so fun.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  You had it now how long?

• 21:46Matt Farah?

  A year and, a year. Yeah. Almost exactly a year. Yeah. Thirteen, 1380 miles.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  There's that cough. That's why I'm taking that. But, you know, in that same vein, what is it? What day is today? Tuesday. Tuesday.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Wednesday?

• 22:08Matt Farah?

  Wednesday?

• 22:09Speaker 01

  It's Tuesday.

• 22:09Matt Farah?

  No, it's Tuesday, isn't it? It's definitely Tuesday. Okay. You know, less than a week, scooter trip.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, same similar idea.

• 22:17Matt Farah?

  Same vibe.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  Vespa trip. I got that, that, you know, that back brace thing you were wearing? I got one of them. So hopefully keep me, keep my posture really good.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  It's pretty soft. So, yeah, I wouldn't rely on it for.

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  No, mine is like the copper thing one that has the metal bands in it.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Okay, good. Like ribbed, like it's a corset, really.

• 22:37Matt Farah?

  It's, it is. I was trying to avoid the C word. It is a corset.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  It's rebranding it as like a, what tactical lumbar support system. That's what it would be.

• 22:50Matt Farah?

  There needs to be like, what's the MAGA version of a corset?

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Tactical would be in there somewhere and then manliness, testosterone, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Traditional, traditional back support system.

• 23:07Matt Farah?

  Kind of values, you know, in there somewhere. Christian, something.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Patriot Mobile back support.

• 23:17Matt Farah?

  A division of, yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Patriot Mobility. There, and that's probably a company. There's probably already 15 companies called that.

• 23:25Matt Farah?

  It's a division of Black Rifle.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  That's a company that probably sells wheelchairs at a price premium to people who also subscribe to Patriot Mobile.

• 23:33Matt Farah?

  They just buy wheelchairs and then spray paint their logo on the side of the wheelchairs?

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Add 15%. Yeah.

• 23:40Matt Farah?

  Hey, Supreme did it first. They're just following the playbook.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Put those stickers on one of the like fire, one of the pipes in our building that's like, carries all the water for the fire. And they put Supreme, I just hate it. It's so stupid.

• 23:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, because it's red?

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:54Matt Farah?

  That's, you know, I think when we put the fucking red stand pipe here, I think someone jokingly, maybe Vinnie, put a Supreme sticker on there.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  I'm gonna take pictures and send them to Vinnie, like, did you do this?

• 24:07Matt Farah?

  No, it's gone. It's gone. It was funny for, for five minutes, six, six years ago. It really was. And then, and then it was like, remember when they sold bricks?

• 24:17Speaker 01

  No, I don't remember.

• 24:18Matt Farah?

  Remember the Supreme bricks?

• 24:19Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 24:20Matt Farah?

  Just, but don't Google this. Just go straight to eBay. Just straight. What does a Supreme brick go for? It is exactly what you think, Klapman. It is a brick that is stamped Supreme. And for, for a minute or so, there were people that were like, I'm gonna build my house with these. And actually attempted to collect $150, $240 on eBay.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  $4.49. Wow.

• 24:43Matt Farah?

  Fucking hell, man.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  They keep, this.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  What an amazing test of what humans will buy.

• 24:51Matt Farah?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 24:52Speaker 01

  And then, and then someone's like, I'm gonna build my house with this. Like, you're not rich enough. But also, why? Because two years later, that would be a fashion mistake.

• 24:59Matt Farah?

  There, there, I mean, I, I, I think it was pre-AI. I mean, it could have been photoshopped or whatever, but there was a supposed ad from Marketplace or something of a guy that had a huge pallet of these bricks and was looking, you know, I was gonna build a blah, blah, blah with them. And, you know, he wanted whatever it was, fucking $100,000 for the fucking pallet of bricks. Crazy.

• 25:26Matt Farah?

  I don't know if it was real. Like, for the record, I do not know if it was real. It's definitely, it was definitely possible. Like, there were people that bought a shitload of these stupid things.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Amazing. Amazing. What do you do with it? You put it on your desk and you hope other people know that it cost you 150 bucks?

• 25:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, isn't that wild? I mean, it served, it really serves no other purpose. It's like, it's like a fucking bat signal for suckeredom.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  It has the function of a bad watch, but none of the function, you know, like it advertises the same thing.

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  But only if they come to your house to see the brick, or you gotta carry it around and reveal it like a strange, you know, an exotic pet you smuggled from a different country.

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I just, a dumb thing that, that is tied to a hype brand,

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  it just has no, no lasting value or social cred like whatsoever.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  And I know, I'm sure that when we were in our twenties, we bought, you see, like, you see an athlete you like, you buy the skate shoe. That's what I did when I was 20. But at least it was a shoe.

• 26:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  At least I could do something with it.

• 26:32Matt Farah?

  No, for sure. Like, it's the same, same as when, as soon as LVMH took over Tiffany. I mean, I was, I was fucking there. And my dad, of course, because he's very smart, called it. Folks, one more quick break for Avance. Love these guys. They've been supporting us for years now. Avance is a great company made of great people. We know them individually. It's not done through an agency. These are our homies. Avance helps enthusiasts save money and enjoy their passion more. It's actually very straightforward and the math does work because Avance members get sweet discounts and a nice quarterly print magazine. I would pay for just the magazine itself.

• 27:13Matt Farah?

  We've known Adam from Avance a long time and he put me on the cover, I think, of one of their first issues. And I've, I've really enjoyed getting their magazine for a while. But also, here, get this math. They help you save money on things that you're gonna buy anyway, like tires, right? And Avance member gets a 10% off discount at Discount Tire, plus an additional 10% if you buy Michelin or BF Goodrich. So if you were gonna spend $1,500 on a set of Pilot Sports, you're gonna save $300 just because you're an Avance member. And it's only $99 a year to join. So you're plus 200 if you get just the tires, right? At 1,500 bucks, which easily sports car tires could be more than that.

• 27:58Matt Farah?

  And Avance will send you a $70 gift card to Griot's Garage when you sign up. So you get the detailing. That way, the membership literally pays for itself. Plus, the magazine, plus all kinds of cool regional events that Avance does around the country for their members. I've been to a bunch of them. Their Monterey Car Week party is a great time. So you can go to avants.com, A-V-A-N-T-S dot com slash T S T, and then use code T S T for 10% off. So that's another 10% off your membership. This thing is basically free. In fact, it could potentially be money, mucho money saving for you.

• 28:38Matt Farah?

  avants.com slash T S T. Use code T S T for 10% off. Thank you to Avance for sponsoring the pod. He called it so hard. He didn't call it publicly, obviously, because, but he called it to me. Because he's a man with class who doesn't speak to, you know, but whatever. He said, you wait, as soon as they take over this brand, they're gonna put that color on everything.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  The Tiffany blue?

• 29:03Matt Farah?

  The Tiffany blue. And for two years, they did.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Did they make a brick?

• 29:06Matt Farah?

  They made a basketball. They made, I mean, the amount of dumb shit they made with the Tiffany blue on it. And it's, by the way, Tiffany put the blue on stuff too. But I'm telling you, they blew it up 10x. And my dad goes, he's gonna burn out people's taste for this color in about a year or two. And they're gonna make a bunch of money and then they're not gonna be able to do anything interesting with this color for a really long time. Because people will be like, nah.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:34Matt Farah?

  And that's exactly what happened. Exactly what happened.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  You go too far.

• 29:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. They were selling all kinds of dumb shit with it. It was like unrelated to anything.

• 29:46Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, that'll happen. Hype shit.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Hype train.

• 29:50Matt Farah?

  Speaking of the hype train, did you see that, the Bloomberg article that I sent you? The Cybertruck is potentially the biggest sales flop of all time.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 29:59Matt Farah?

  The, it's, it's officially not great for the Cybertruck. The numbers compared to the Edsel are just brutal.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Truck 2.0.

• 30:14Matt Farah?

  It was the, that's the original one.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, we want the original.

• 30:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's, it's actually, oh no! Oh, they've paywalled it. I had to get it through Apple News on my phone, the whole, the whole thing.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  We'll get it from.

• 30:27Matt Farah?

  We'll get it, we'll steal, we'll, we'll crib it from the people who've cribbed it.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Supercar Blondie. We'll get it, sure.

• 30:33Matt Farah?

  There we go. But not great, but not surprising, right?

• 30:40Speaker 01

  You know what? I will say that I was a little surprised because the hype was so big leading up to it. Year one, you, people were flipping these things for profit and you did see a lot more than you do now. And I'm not like, we drove it, we didn't like it. Other people drove it, they loved it, whatever. But I didn't expect the sales to fall off a cliff.

• 31:01Matt Farah?

  I mean, I expected so few people, like, that's why, like, back in the day before it came out, like, when I called it a fraud and all that shit and thought, I was certain that it could only be that thing. Because there was no fucking way enough people would buy that to make it a viable product. It just looked too stupid.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  I, I agree, but I thought, we started seeing so many of them. And there were people that clearly liked the styling. They liked how tough it looked. They liked that it was bulletproofish, depending on caliber. Like, people were really into that. Okay. So I didn't expect it to just drop, man. Like, where's the, my phone? Like, you sent me the photo.

• 31:41Matt Farah?

  That's from, the, the graphic was from the Bloomberg article. It may not have been.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Cybertruck sold 1/6 of Musk's 250-unit annual projection. Posted the steepest sales decline of any US EV nameplate in 2025. Yeah. But 1/6 of what, well, what he wanted or what was estimated, that's bad.

• 31:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's really bad. And, I mean, are we, are we surprised? Like, it's just not that good of a truck and it looks stupid. I'm, what I'm actually genuinely surprised about is that fewer, like, there haven't been many pedestrians reported to be Juliianned by it. That's surprising. I would have thought that it would have been Juliianning pedestrians, for sure. But it hasn't seemed to happen.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  If they don't sell that many, the odds are, you're not hitting that many people.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  That's a good point.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:31Matt Farah?

  That's a good point. Yeah.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  I wanted to see.

• 32:33Matt Farah?

  And also, if you're driving a Cybertruck, people are gonna stay far as fuck away from you. And so there could be that too.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  So based on this graphic, and I'll try to find it for people that are listening, but the projected sales, of course, was 250,000. The first year was out, it sold less than 50. And then 2025, it sold half of the sales in 2024. It is just, it's a cliff and then two, two small stairs going down.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  And how many Edsels for the first two years of production, according to that chart? I believe the Edsel is the black one. Projections of 200,000 in the first year.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Sold less than 1/3 of that target.

• 33:14Matt Farah?

  So Musk said 250,000, but they sold a sixth of that target.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, year two sales of Cybertruck, well under 25,000, 10% of annual goal or hope.

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  That's to more people, by the way. Right? This article, this article was raw sales numbers. There's, there are more people in the country right now. Uh, so yeah, that's not surprising.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sold 20,000, it sold 20,237 Cybertrucks in 2025, according to Cox Automotive Figures. Uh, a 48% decline from the previous year where they sold only 38,965. That is bad.

• 33:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Oh, truck 2.0.

• 34:00Matt Farah?

  Not great.

• 34:03Matt Farah?

  It's not great.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  And then, see, the population has pretty much doubled since 1959.

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  So speaking of, yeah, speaking of 1959, uh, and, uh, and wow, it's like the convergence. This is like a fucking Tarantino movie. 1959, uh, Cars of Julian people.

• 34:22Matt Farah?

  At West Side Collector Car Storage, we have a car that is about to go live on Bring a Trailer. It's a 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 limousine. It's not a stretch, stretch limousine. I mean, but it, for the, for 59, it's a limousine.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  If you see it, it's, it's probably as long as.

• 34:41Matt Farah?

  It's 22 feet long. I drove it for the video the other day.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 34:45Matt Farah?

  It's fucking so awesome. Somebody should buy it. It's the dopest thing ever. It's got some nice patina on it. It's like, I said in the video, like, it's nice enough that you could buy it,

• 34:59Matt Farah?

  chrome, have the chrome redone and drive it to Car Week and be taken seriously. Or you could leave it alone. It pretty much looks exactly like that.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:10Matt Farah?

  Or you could leave it alone as is and be like pretty punk rocking it. You know what I mean?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  I think if you did like a clay bar on the, on the paint, it would look above punk rock.

• 35:20Matt Farah?

  But we did it. We've done it. We've done, we've detailed. Oh, this, this isn't the one we have, but ours looks, the one we're selling looks effectively just like this.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  I think you could roll up to any hotel or club or whatever in it right now, if it was clean, and it looks eight tenths of the way to really great.

• 35:35Matt Farah?

  It does. I mean, no, it is, it, it, this is an awesome car. It's in, it's in incredibly nice, original condition. You know, there's some pitting on the chrome and stuff like that, but like, it's a fucking cool ass, nice car. But like, you could be, you know, if you were a Jersey rocker, you know, you could roll this, just as like if you were a fucking seer sucker coat concourse person. That's the spread of appeal of this particular vehicle.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Rear seat legroom unparalleled.

• 36:03Matt Farah?

  It's crazy. It's awesome. So having said that, that's a great angle. Having said that,

• 36:10Matt Farah?

  in, you know, the book Unsafe at Any Speed by Ralph Nader, which is a book I, I think is amazing. Everyone talks about the Corvair, but there's a really big section on Fintail Cadillacs.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  And it's a pretty scary section.

• 36:23Matt Farah?

  And let me tell you something. I accidentally bumped into one of the fins of this car and stabbed myself in the intercostal rib muscle the other day and fucked myself up for like six hours. And then when I went to do the drive video, can I get a, um, what I want to see, I need to see this.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  They have all the pictures.

• 36:45Matt Farah?

  No, I need to see, I need to see the top, the top of the front of the door, the top of the front door.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Oh, so you need a door.

• 36:52Matt Farah?

  Like ideally an open front. Yes, that, no, go down, down, down. That's it. Yes. So then I'm trying to mess.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  That's sharp.

• 37:00Matt Farah?

  You like this? You like this? Look at the top of the fucking door on this car. I am trying to put the camera on the center of the roof. So I'm standing on the door sill leaning over. Do you want to know what type of stabbing I received?

• 37:15Speaker 01

  In the head.

• 37:15Matt Farah?

  It was like, uh, it felt like an eagle talon beak on my lower back as I, as I came down.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  The top corner of the door where it, you know, it meets the roof is a tortilla chip. It is truly, people, that sharp, I am shocked. This is like, it's, it looks like, uh, you know, Dracula's like widow's peak hairline.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  And I'm not, and I'm not saying you shouldn't buy this 59 Fleetwood 75, but I'm saying like, the whole like, well, they don't make cars like that anymore. Like dude, this car is stabby as a motherfucker. This is a, this car is dangerous as shit when parked.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, why, I just, it could have made that curved. I guess, you know, design language in the back, but man, what a choice. That is very sharp.

• 38:00Matt Farah?

  Fucking crazy, right?

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's nuts.

• 38:03Matt Farah?

  So yeah, I hurt myself twice on this car while it was not moving. Um, but what a cool ass thing that's going on in the back. Now, this is, this one, this one we're showing is not ours.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:14Matt Farah?

  Ours is black. Ours has cloth, not leather, which actually I think in the context of this vehicle is better.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Look at the footrest.

• 38:22Matt Farah?

  We got the footrest, so.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Oh my God, really?

• 38:24Matt Farah?

  We got the footrest, yeah. And those things against the bulkhead there are flip down jump seats. So you can, you can do a facing.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  You can go sticks up.

• 38:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Wild thing.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 38:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. This will be a really, my wife saw it here and go, there's, see the jump seats? Look at that. They face forward.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 38:43Matt Farah?

  It's like a stone go.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 38:45Matt Farah?

  So like, my wife saw this and she's like, we're buying this. And I was like, we are most certainly not buying this. It's way too fucking big, but it's amazing.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  It is the anti pow. You could put the pow in the trunk. Dude, it's cool. I mean, if you had this.

• 38:58Matt Farah?

  Musto should buy it. This is a Mike Musto car.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Good road trip car.

• 39:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You know what's ironic? I mean, you can kind of take a guess by looking at it, but very little front seat room. Like I would have to hire a short person to drive me around in it because, yeah, all the room is in the back.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  That's interesting. I guess it is a limousine. So your driver can only be so high. That way they can never overpower you.

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  If it was possible, you know, if I owned this car, if I could somehow custom move the front seat like two inches further back.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Have you heard of money? You could, you can move anything. Shaq, Shaq lengthened a Ferrari.

• 39:36Matt Farah?

  Can I buy it with privilege?

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, you trade your privilege credits in.

• 39:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, this, this thing's amazing, though, isn't it?

• 39:43Speaker 01

  You're right. The steering wheel here is like, is above the seat bottom and that doesn't move.

• 39:48Matt Farah?

  If I, if this was three years ago, the steering wheel would have been in my gut.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  That's true. But then that's hands free steering.

• 39:54Matt Farah?

  Right? Um, oh dude, did you see this thing? Did I show it to you? I am ambassador now. This is a, this is ambassadorship for Grand Seiko. You believe that? 10 years.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 40:05Matt Farah?

  Carl, we did it, buddy.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:07Matt Farah?

  We're in the game. Did you, it's titanium.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you showed me at your house, but.

• 40:12Matt Farah?

  It's so light and delightful. I've never, I've never been excited by titanium before.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  Really light.

• 40:20Matt Farah?

  And, uh, but this, because this watch is a, like a dive watch, so it's, it's kind of a, it's a little, not bulky, um, but it's like bulkier than, than my very thin watches. It being titanium does like offset that. But the dial is just, can you see on this screen if you focus on it?

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Wait, wait. Standby.

• 40:43Matt Farah?

  Can you focus?

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Stay there, stay there. Hang on, hang on.

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  Zach and Meg at the focus.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  I know, but wait, solo.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  You might, there you go.

• 40:54Matt Farah?

  There it is. Look at that.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:57Matt Farah?

  The waves.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  It looks like there's an ocean in the watch. Like the waves, they're textured. It's not like printed. It looks three dimensional. It's really cool.

• 41:04Matt Farah?

  But it's also vignetted, so it looks like you're looking through a telescope, like into a, the ocean at a sunset.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  The darkening on the outside.

• 41:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's fucking dope. So thank you, Grand Seiko. Very kind.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:20Matt Farah?

  There, it's unclear what I actually have to do.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  You'll find out in six months.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  I'll find out later, I'm sure.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  You'll get flown to a black site and they'll be like, here's what we need.

• 41:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. All of a sudden I'm gonna be like, Mr. Wonderful's data center. No. Um, he was a speaker at a thing, at a Grand Seiko thing I was at. Um, but, uh, I'm super stoked. And do you see this? It has, for you gun people, it has a safety.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  What?

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  So the, look, it's, it's got a locking clasp. So I do this and I pull the, put the safety on.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Oh my God, when you turn it off, it's red.

• 41:51Matt Farah?

  Doesn't come off. Isn't that awesome?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  When you move the safety out of the way, oh, it's red.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  It's red, like a gun. It's just like my 12 gauge. Isn't that cool?

• 42:00Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 42:00Matt Farah?

  That's fun. I've been wearing this thing for five days straight. It's great. It's a perfect watch for when you just want to live your life and not think about wearing a watch. And then you look down and you go, ooh, look at that dial. Hmm.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Cause it's light, so you don't think about the weight of the Rolex.

• 42:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're just not thinking about it. And like.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  The other company that we can't talk about.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  No, it's like, it's, it's very nice and very luxurious, but it's not a brand or a model that everybody knows. So you don't have to be self-conscious about it or what it says about you. And it's titanium. So if you knock it into stuff, it's going to be strong. I, uh, I've been trying to get it scratched on something. So far unsuccessful.

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  Sounds like a car is being unloaded off a transporter.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  You could try skateboarding, that'll probably.

• 42:47Matt Farah?

  I was, I was, I, I checked the fucking transmission fluid in the Manx while wearing it and crawled and stuck my hand. God damn it. Stuck my hand all in the, uh, do we have paper towel in here?

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  Shit, let me get one. Sorry. Those are the things that happened since we last talked.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Nice. Uh, victory with Manx, that's awesome.

• 43:06Matt Farah?

  Victory with Manx. I, I know, how exciting is that?

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Can it wheelie? I feel like.

• 43:10Matt Farah?

  No, people keep asking that, but like, you'd have to like, do you know the amount of like friction it takes to, of, or grip it takes to turn, to, to go past burnout and get to wheelie? Like, it's so much.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  So sport cup twos.

• 43:27Matt Farah?

  You need to have.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  VHT.

• 43:31Matt Farah?

  You need to have slicks and VHT and a, and a powertrain that you were pretty certain wouldn't.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 43:41Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  My buddy used to auto, when he worked at the Volk's Cafe, they used to run a dune buggy and autocross.

• 43:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  With a built engine and slicks and it would wheelie off the line.

• 43:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Which is insane for autocross. I mean, it was like a brief one, but still autocross is like turn, turn, turn, turn, turn. And you know, your front wheels are off the ground for a moment.

• 43:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, it, you'd need, you would definitely need slicks at a minimum. My, I, I'm sure I could do a nice burnout with these fucking whatever these, you know, all season E tires are that I have.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  What if I stand on the engine when you floor it? Then could we like, I mean, like an ATV, but we'll do a, a, I'll help you out there. It'll be like, um.

• 44:21Matt Farah?

  How do you think that's gonna go for your back? You think it's gonna go well?

• 44:24Speaker 01

  I think insurance will deny my claims and they'll be justified. Did you stand on a car to make it do a wheelie? As a 43 year old man?

• 44:33Matt Farah?

  Are these your meta glasses? Uh, let's go to the people. Before we do, of course, uh, before we do, we gotta plug, plug a couple of pluggables. August 20th is the end of our Porsche 911 Turbo S giveaway. Get your entries in. We've got, um, a couple more bits of content coming out about that car. Uh, it is a very, very, very fast and very well-equipped, essentially brand new 911 Turbo S. It was brand new when we got it, um, and we put a few miles on it. We did some mods to it, uh, with the help of some of our friends at BBI Autosport and HRE Wheels and M Engineering.

• 45:12Matt Farah?

  And this is a serious ripper of a $275,000 Porsche 911 Turbo S, uh, 2025, uh, non-hybrid car. And you can get the link in our, the, the description, uh, the show notes, whatever you call it, or it's on our social media. Um, our link in bio and our Instagram. So get those entries in because this game ends in less than a month. Um, and then we hopefully are gonna do another car after that, cause it's been a lot of fun. And of course I'm wearing our collab blazer that we did with the Grotto. These are incredibly beautiful garments. Zach did one too. Um, they're both up on the website for purchase until August 6th.

• 45:56Matt Farah?

  They are made to last. They come in every size, uh, available in the US. We can ship to Canada. Um, we can ship, we can actually ship pretty much anywhere internationally that's non, that's not like, you know, sanctioned. So we can, we can ship to Europe, we can ship, uh, to, to Canada. Um, we can ship to Australia. So if you want one and you're international, um, I helped design this one. Zach designed his and it's, uh, it's a comfortable and beautifully made garment that's got the detachable hood. Um, and, uh, mine is really soft and warm. Zach is really light and breezy. It's like a summer, winter kind of thing. Um, but I've been wearing the shit out of mine. In fact, after the show, it's gotta go to the dry cleaners because it, uh,

• 46:41Matt Farah?

  has been worn a lot. Um, but, uh, yeah, we're only selling them for another week and a half. So until August 6th and we've got, uh, the link in our bio there. Actually, if, and also because I got an email about it. If you go to thesmoken tire.com and you click on merch, for the time being, it goes straight to the Blazers. So that's the easy one. If you wanna get them in, we've had a bunch of takers on them and I think these folks are gonna be super, super happy. Um, with what they get. So if we do well, we can make more. And if not, that's okay. We'll, we'll, uh, we'll make more different things.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:18Matt Farah?

  But I think, uh, if you, once you, once these folks try them on, they're gonna be badass. And you can tailor them a full size either direction from any size. So that's what's nice about them. All right. Now, questions from the people at patreon.com/thesmoken tire podcast. It's where the folks can ask us these questions for the show. Listen to the live stream and watch the live stream. Get the show the day it's recorded and not wait. Uh, get the show without ads, get extra show and a whole lot more. And what do those people have to say? Front wheel drive NSX says, beyond the G-body Chevy, did any decent American cars come out in the eighties?

• 48:00Matt Farah?

  I couldn't think of anything beyond G-bodies. Now, listen, my friend.

• 48:08Matt Farah?

  The G-body is your opinion of what a good car is. The G-body is not of a higher or lesser quality than any of them other fucking cars.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 48:21Matt Farah?

  The G-body, the Cadillacs, all of them shits are built, the, the Cimarron, the fucking Cavalier, the Pontiac Sunbird. They're built to an identical fucking standard, right? So did you like the G-body? Why? Cause the Grand National? Okay, fine. It's got a turbo in it. But like, that's not a good car.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Or the SS sounded good, but like it, it's a good looking boxy car in my opinion. That's why I like them. But I would agree that, cause you've also got IROC Camaro eighties, right?

• 48:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Fox Body came out in what year?

• 48:53Matt Farah?

  I mean, you can't say the G-body is a good car from the eighties and not say the Fox Body is a good car from the eighties. It was built during every single year of the eighties, 79 to 93.

• 49:06Matt Farah?

  Uh, I mean, you, you can argue one way or the other, but the C4ZR1, the ZR1 is an excellent car.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  That is a good car.

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  The ZR, this Corvette ZR1 is an excellent fucking car.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 49:17Matt Farah?

  Um, and if you don't like the idea of Fox Bodies, how about you give me Celine Fox Bodies?

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Hmm?

• 49:25Matt Farah?

  How about that? Uh.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  When did that McLaren Fox Body come out that Derek has?

• 49:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, the ASC McLaren? Yeah, that's 83. Yeah, early, early. Um, let's see.

• 49:40Matt Farah?

  The Dodge Omni GLHS? Cause it go, it goes like hell some out.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Sometimes. Um, what small things came out?

• 49:51Matt Farah?

  I mean, the eighties isn't a great car, a great year for American cars, a great decade. And we all, we know that the, the, the.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  The engines, especially even like, even the sports cars, ZR1 aside, were slow because of oil crisis and stuff. That was, that was waning, they're figuring it out, but like, that's when you had big displacement, no power.

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  The eighties is when Germany was still building cars that were built to last a thousand years. And the Japanese were building cars that were light and tight and agile.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Efficient.

• 50:22Matt Farah?

  And efficient, um, and really put together nicely. And we were just so far behind on both of those things.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. We were literally lazy, right?

• 50:33Matt Farah?

  We were so fucking lazy.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  When was the LeMans era?

• 50:36Matt Farah?

  The Malaise era? Did you say LeMans?

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, what did you say?

• 50:39Matt Farah?

  Malaise.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Malaise, oh, right.

• 50:40Matt Farah?

  LeMans is the car museum.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  And then LeMans is the breathing. Yeah, the Malaise, you know, it was a lazy time.

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  That's, yeah, that's the post-fuel crisis, the seven, the late seventies, where it's just big displacement, no power.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:53Matt Farah?

  The eighties, we, we, we brought the displacement down, but the power didn't go up for a while.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  But, but they were starting to figure things out, but it was, it was, uh, primary school essentially.

• 51:04Matt Farah?

  By the nineties, we started to have some good stuff.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yep, definitely.

• 51:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But we did not have great, great stuff in the eighties, admittedly. But, but you can't be like, it was only the G-body. Like, come on, hubby.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  They're just cool.

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  I said they were just cool.

• 51:19Matt Farah?

  They, uh, they're cool, they're not good.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 51:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Slam the door on one of them motherfuckers and tell me it's good. Come on.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  It's got its own echo.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  Come on. Johnny EV Gerberman, either you drive a VL, V8 CLK. Is that, which one is that?

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 51:36Matt Farah?

  Is it a C208? What is a C208? I don't know the Mercedes. Oh yeah, I've driven the 430 with the manual swap.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  I've driven the 55.

• 51:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, old roommate had one of them. It broke all the time, but they're fine.

• 51:54Matt Farah?

  I, I think the, the original one, the 430 Sport, like that red one on the top left, that's an incredibly handsome car.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:02Matt Farah?

  Isn't it?

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:03Matt Farah?

  And, uh, the one I drove that had a manual swap, honestly, game changer. Totally different, different animal. Really nice.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Seems like a good long distance car.

• 52:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  You know, I, I never drove one in, you know, anger, so I don't know how it'd compare to like, uh, M3, but I think it wouldn't.

• 52:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, it, no, it wouldn't.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:22Matt Farah?

  It wouldn't. But it's, but it, it was a nice car.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:25Matt Farah?

  At the time.

• 52:27Matt Farah?

  Now I think you could probably get a fucking CL for the same price. They probably bought them out at exactly the same price. Uh, Christian says, with 911s being so expensive, do you think the 718 GTS and Spiders are undervalued? They're NA and well under 150K. I feel like they should be higher. That's an argument.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  First of all, Christian, shut up. We do not wanna push these over 150,000 dollars.

• 52:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it would be, it's nice if you're already invested in one. Um, you know, it's, it's interesting. Um, I think there's probably an argument to be made that those cars are a little undervalued. However, there's also like a pretty big brand gap perception to the 911 and.

• 53:16Matt Farah?

  Um, there isn't a comp because it's like they killed the seven one eight and then raised the price of the newest nine elevens, you know? I don't think that's a, that's made the older nine elevens like jump. It just made them like hold like if you want to fucking nine nine two brand new in like 2020, it would have cost you like zero dollars. It's, it's amazing and kind of stupid actually, but.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  I think, you know, the nine eleven has always been an aspirational car. And so even if someone gets a nine nine six, they're still riding that wave of cachet, you know, that started 50 years before or whatever. But with the seven one eights and stuff, it was always seen for a long time as the less than, you know, there was plenty of stupid insults about it, basically the me out of Porsche. And now we go, this is a great driving car. They perform awesome. I think they look really cool, but they still don't have, the size of the market that's excited to own a nine eleven is so much bigger than the, the market that wants to own a seven one eight.

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  I agree. And they're also like, like, you know, my car, my, the sticker on my car, forget the demand motor was like a hundred and 22 or something.

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  If a car is going to go for over, it's gotta be new car hype, right? New car hype is going to have it over MSRP. Then it's going to go under MSRP, hopefully going down slowly for a while till it eventually sort of finds a floor. And then hopefully maybe starts to go back up a little bit. These cars are not new enough to have hype behind them and not old enough to be on the way back up yet. It just, the, the not, not enough time has passed. So, you know, if you, even if you like a good example of a very special car, like a nine nine seven GT three RS, like those did go, they had hype and then they did go down.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:12Matt Farah?

  And for a minute you could get one for under 200,000 and then they settled there for a little bit before returning back up, you know? So even that, even a car like that. So these cars, spiders and GTSs are not limited production cars. So they're going to go down probably very slowly, particularly manuals. Well, they're, they're, they're known for strong resale. I mean, even a very old spider was probably a hundred grand or 90 grand new, like a brand, like an old, like a Boxer spider was like 90 something new is probably still 60 or 70.

• 55:51Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be a while. Glorified G-Wagon, great one. Would you consider doing a dirt bike race? Fuck no.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 55:59Matt Farah?

  No.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 56:01Matt Farah?

  I might consider if I was invited doing one of those like Sierra cars races, like one of those.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Depending on the track, yeah, for sure. Like a dirt, a dirt race with, you know, minimal jumps or all the suspension travel in the world, like short truck race would be cool, but dirt bike, hell no.

• 56:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:21Matt Farah?

  Once a tech, now a teacher, recently purchased a first gen Honda Civic. Are there any old commuter cars either of you would be interested in driving or always liked?

• 56:31Speaker 01

  First gen Rabbit. I drove one, I drove one of VW's museum cars once and I was like, oh, it was like driving a three fifty six. I went, oh, I get it. I see where it all came from. Super fun, really cool. Yeah.

• 56:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know how old you want to go, but like I would love to have a 99 Civic SI. That's not like a sports car to me. That's like, that's like, you know, that's a commuter car. It's just a nice engaging one.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  GM EV one.

• 57:03Matt Farah?

  How, I, I really liked, um, well.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, a little bit of recency bias because of Jethro's article, but like Citro NDS.

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  Oh, sure.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Like, that's a commuter car, but I have always thought they were cool. A friend had one in high school there. And I just think if you could get them working really well, like that would be a fun little spaceship to drive around.

• 57:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I usually, I, the, the version of any car I like is usually the sporty version. So it's hard to call that like just a regular commuter car.

• 57:36Matt Farah?

  I always liked, so back when I, when I, uh, was working at a car dealership, we had as a, like a runaround car, a Lincoln Mark eight that we took in on trade that I really enjoyed driving around.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:53Matt Farah?

  It had like a third, the 32 valve V8. It had a, a smooth automatic gearbox and I'm pretty sure it had air suspension.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  I think it did.

• 58:03Matt Farah?

  And it had like amazing seats and it was kind of amazing.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  They're cool looking.

• 58:08Matt Farah?

  And I was like, man, you could put like set of cool wheels on this. This would be pretty.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  They're like a cooler Ryota.

• 58:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  You know, when I'm looking at like the design language is similar.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  But yeah, I think they were kind of quick. Didn't our old roommate drive one back in the day? I think Dan had one before we moved in with them.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're kind of tough.

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:29Matt Farah?

  Pearl Lovebone of the Mad Green Dog says, do you both genuinely like the 1511? The fact it's a re, I think, I think they're conflating two things.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  That other car, I started with an S.

• 58:44Matt Farah?

  The thing that was on Spike's show that I saw that we.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  It does not look good.

• 58:47Matt Farah?

  The 1511 is not a re-bodied Boxer. We drove that with our friend Nat Monday of HK Motor Cars and it's a nine 14 that has a carbon body, but it, it is a nine 14. It's not a Boxer.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  No, we opened the front and like, if it was a Boxer, you would have seen the plastic and the structure. And this was a nine 14 with some extra really clever, um, like buttressing, you know, a lot of material to increase the stiffness a lot, but no.

• 59:15Matt Farah?

  It has a water cooled engine.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 59:18Matt Farah?

  And that water cooled engine may be sourced from a Boxer, but it's not, that's a powertrain swap. That's a different thing.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:25Matt Farah?

  There was this weird thing that was being shown around LA like a month ago that was a replica three fifty six, but on a Boxer with a Boxer interior and it looked all kinds of stupid.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  It was brutally bad.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  I don't know. So West Coast Customs built one in 27, 356 body on a Boxer, but then the one we are talking about, uh, where did it go?

• 59:52Matt Farah?

  It was, this was.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  It looked really strange.

• 59:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Which I agree is, it was as egregious as those C1 bodied Corvettes. Like that's totally the same thing where the proportions are all wrong and you have to stretch shit or, or tuck stuff in weird ways to fit the modern thing. The 1511 was, um, you know, the one we drove was the original prototype. So it was a little scruffy around the edges, but as a concept, I thought it was fucking bitchin'.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:00:26Matt Farah?

  I mean, it.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Real fun.

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  It was tight and it was light and it had torque for fucking days. It was stupidly fast.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Shifting was great, steering was great.

• 1:00:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Suspension setup was awesome.

• 1:00:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, the fact that it was a water cooled engine, I thought was, it was great.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Matt Farah?

  It was an excellent execution. It was just, it, it, it needed a little further refinement and development, driving and just a few things here and there, but like, that was a nasty little fucker, that car. That was a good time.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  You would surprise, I mean, the thing was fast.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  It was really, really fast.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  You would surprise a lot of people. Yeah.

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  And we drove it back to back with the Chimera and you know, compared to the Chimera, it's incredibly refined and, uh, smooth.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:01:11Matt Farah?

  You know, and, and luxurious.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Well, it's a road car that's been just turned up and kind of brought to modern like engineering and chassis and power. Chimera is like, you know, based on a rally car that was compound charged. So all right there, you know, big asterisk. And then it's like, but now it's made even faster. So it's much more of a science experiment.

• 1:01:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, the Chimera is fencing with chainsaws.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  The car we're talking about was made by Stark.

• 1:01:38Matt Farah?

  Stark.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Matt Farah?

  That's it, yeah. I'm the reason her hubba stank says, what are some of the best toys, structures or accessories you've gotten for your cats? Hmm. So, you know, cat towers. I always, I don't, I, I only buy the good cat towers. Like they're not, they don't have to be that fancy, but you gotta get the cat towers that are made of solid wood, not the ones that are made of like cardboard or like press board. They will come apart, like they're just shitty. So it's maybe 30% more expensive for the solid wood ones. They last four times as long. Trust me on that one.

• 1:02:17Matt Farah?

  There's, uh, these toys called Go Cat, which are like, um, feather toys and wand toys. I mean, you got it like, the most important thing you can do with your cat, other than like its basic food and litter needs is like play with your cat. Like people, I think underestimate the, the rewards that you will have with your animal if you actually active, not just give them a toy, but like the wand toy and make them chase stuff and like actively play with them like you would with a dog. Like you will have much better energy flow throughout the day with them. They'll, they'll sleep when you want them to sleep. They'll be awake when you want them to be awake.

• 1:02:57Matt Farah?

  They'll eat at the right time and they'll be much more engaged with you as, as their parent. So playing with your cat, I'm not trying to lecture you for, if I'm sure you already do, but like Go Cat, um, uh, makes these great wand toys. And, uh, there's one called Da Bird that is like a feather thing that, and my cats go batshit for that. If you want to go, um, hardcore and there's like a natural pet store somewhere, my cats buy these like fetal mice.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. They only fed snakes.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  Oh my God, my, they go crazy for these fetal mice and they, they munch these motherfuckers down like, like crazy.

• 1:03:41Matt Farah?

  I mean, I built my cats a Caddio. And so if you've got room for that, you want to spoil them, uh, a Caddio is the ultimate in, in cat luxury, I think.

• 1:03:54Matt Farah?

  We keep, uh, we have a lot of cat trees. We have a lot of wand toys. Um, and then, um, oh, these bit, these things called chicken littles that are freeze dried cubes of chicken. They munch the fuck out of them things. It's a good like little appetizer. If they don't like, love the flavor of a particular food, because I have about 10 flavors of food I rotate through. Um, every meal is a different flavor. So they always, they're always interested. But if they're, if one of them isn't like feeling that, I'll sprinkle some of this as an appetizer on top and they'll just fucking munch away. So that's really nice. People get kind of, when they realize how often I might feed my cats three meals a day. Um, people think I'm really weird, but I do.

• 1:04:40Matt Farah?

  To Marion's bellboner, do you ever miss your C5 or Fox body? I miss the Fox body.

• 1:04:48Matt Farah?

  But not like enough.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  Like, I miss it, kind of. Like, it would be nice to have, but every time I then tell myself, when I had the Fox body, I would have killed to have the shit that I actually have now. So like, we don't need to go backwards.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Rose colored glasses being what they are.

• 1:05:13Matt Farah?

  To Merritt Parkway, coworker and I were debating the Grand Seiko spring drive movement. I think it's the best, best of both worlds, but he thinks it's the worst of both mechanical and quartz. Okay.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  I'll take this one.

• 1:05:31Matt Farah?

  Well, so like, the thing is, those are pretty polar opposites. And it leaves a lot of gray area in which the truth probably lives. So, a Grand Seiko spring drive movement, unlike a regular mechanical movement, a regular mechanical movement, you wind it up, it has a coiled spring that slowly unwinds, and there's a thing called an escapement, the bit that goes tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, that regulates how long a second and therefore a minute and an hour are, and how much the spring unwinds. Okay?

• 1:06:17Matt Farah?

  A spring drive Seiko movement is sort of like a, a hybrid car, but a hybrid car that cannot be plugged in. So no electricity is ever come, comes in from the outside. Whatever electricity is there, is generated from driving the car with the gas engine. So that's, that's your main spring, is the mechanical spring. Now, imagine that hot, your hybrid car doesn't have brakes. Okay? It doesn't have disc brakes, like a regular car. All it has is regenerative brakes. Okay? It only has that kind of braking. And that regenerative braking's job is to

• 1:07:00Matt Farah?

  do the tick tocking. But it doesn't need to do the tick tock, because it has that tiny little circuit there, and it has a regenerative brake, and that tiny little circuit, as it's being powered by the spring, with the electromagnetic power, it tells the regenerative brake constantly, constantly updating how long a second is. So like, a little less, a little more, a little less, a little more, a little less, a little more, right on, a little less, a little more. Electronically telling it how much to regenerative brake. Okay? So, there is no tick tock. So as you look at, as you look at that, the Grand Seiko hand, it's a

• 1:07:43Matt Farah?

  smooth sweep. It doesn't tick, because it's just a regenerative brake. Okay?

• 1:07:49Matt Farah?

  In the, now you can clearly see, there's a, in this image, there's a, the mechanical, the big, uh, big plate looking thing on the left, that's called the main spring. So inside that is the wound spring. There's your mechanical power. You can clearly see a gear train that drives the, the hands from the mechanical power. And you can see, well, you can't really see it because it's underneath, um, where the little brake, oh, you can kind of underneath the, the right, yeah, underneath sort of there, to, in that, that wheel, underneath that is where your, uh, sorry, underneath this, I'm sorry, the silver one on the top left, that is where your electro brake is under there.

• 1:08:31Matt Farah?

  The result is, in the case of the watch I'm wearing, which is called the ultrafine adjusted movement, this is the most, the most accurate mechanically driven watch movement ever made. So, it is substantially more accurate than regular mechanical movements. And it is driven by a mainspring, a coiled spring, and its output goes through a gear. So, it's basically like, there are some people who go, well, there's a circuit in there, and therefore that's not a mechanical movement. Okay, that's fine. They can think that. There are some other people that go, just like a hybrid car, and go, well, that's clearly something

• 1:09:14Matt Farah?

  that's powered by gasoline. It's clearly a machine, but it has this regulatory electronic device in there that makes the gasoline engine more optimized, better burning, more efficient, smoother, all those things. So that's the difference between a spring drive movement and a, and a gas, a regular mechanical movement. So.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  So do some people just like that it's, if someone doesn't like it because it's not a quartz, because quartz is simpler and has all the precision you want. And then if you go mechanical, it's just more romantic and interesting. And this is like, oh, this is this weird blend of the two of them, and it's not quote as good.

• 1:09:51Matt Farah?

  Johnny Lieberman. Johnny Lieberman doesn't like hybrids.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Came to mind, yeah, for sure.

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  Johnny Lieberman.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Either have a good gas engine or a good EV.

• 1:09:57Matt Farah?

  Sure. That's okay. But the stakes are low as fuck, in terms of a watch, dude. So, like, you know what I mean? So like, I happen to think that watch movements are interesting. And interesting watch movements are interesting. And so, people that are really into watches are so rarely choosing one watch, that's gotta be the, the best. So if you think it's, I, I understand if you think it's the best of both worlds, and I understand if you think it's not a mechanical watch. I have absolutely no evidence that it is the quote, worst of

• 1:10:36Matt Farah?

  all worlds. It's not more service intensive than a mechanical watch. It's not substantially less accurate than a quartz watch. You have the vibe of a mechanical watch, because you wind it, and the movement of your wrist keeps it, keeps it wound indefinitely. Um, I don't understand the perspective of being the worst of all worlds. If you think it's the best, cool. And if you think, if you go, oh, that's interesting, but it's not for me, because I like pure machinery. Okay, that's cool. But I, I've never heard the, well, it's the worst of both. Get the fuck out of here, dude. The worst of quartz is having to change batteries. That's the worst of quartz, is that the battery has a defined life, and

• 1:11:21Matt Farah?

  then you have to go to a guy, or gal, or a non-binary watchmaker to have it changed. That's fucking annoying. My Grand Seiko quartz, I had to send back to Japan. That's annoying. That's the, I would say that's the worst of quartz, and you don't have to do that here. So, weird question, but I hope now you understand how spring drive works. Uh, okay, Explorer, I hardly knew her, wrote so many fucking words in this question, but the TLDR is that my elderly uncle plans to leave me his one owner 1999 Corolla manual. I like the car? What should I do with it? Radwood, 2ZZ swap, race it? What do you want to do with it?

• 1:12:06Matt Farah?

  I mean, there's a couple of, uh, options. If you like the car, keep the car. That's, that's good. And the good news is, with a car like that, there is, and if it's in decent condition, you'll be able to get out of that car in two hours on Facebook Marketplace, if you ever decide you're in a bind or don't want it, right? What would you, I mean, I know, look, I just inherited a car, not inherited, they're still alive, but was given a free car, and the car was worth five grand, and I'm putting $60,000 into it to turn it into something that I actually want. Do you want to do that?

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  I think that's the great question. I mean, I get this person has a lot of fond memories with the car. It's sentimental value. They've driven it a bit, they like it, it runs well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But do you, do you want a project of like, putting a 2ZZ swap in it? I wouldn't swap it, because at the end of the day, it's like, I, I think the sentimental value comes from it just being the way it was when your uncle had it. So I would drive it for a little bit, take it to Radwood, and then just decide, do I want a base, like, simple commuter that makes me feel warm and fuzzy, because it's a family heirloom, or do I not need it anymore? And it's fine to just have those memories, and have that time with it, and then move on and sell it.

• 1:13:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, it's also okay to say, I was given this car, it means something to me, and I'm gonna turn it into something fun.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:13:36Matt Farah?

  Like, if I'm your uncle, and I give you a car, and you motor swap it, or turn it into a track car, or take it racing, like, I'd be like, at least he's having a good time.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  True. If you could lemon's race, it probably, it'd probably work forever.

• 1:13:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, so, you know, it's, it's, it could serve a variety of needs. It could be quick cash, it could be fun project, it could be relatively low maintenance commuter car. You know, it could be a reminder of your uncle. It could be anything.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  I would say, we can't decide for you, but I would start small, and you can, you can always add more project. So just start, like this person said, restore it a little bit, take it to Radwood, and then drive it, and then decide slowly. Don't just, don't, don't go, well, these guys said I should make a, you know, V8 swap it. So that's what I'm doing.

• 1:14:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Quadrofoliophase, worst in cabin spill. I mean, I know, I have, I know an obvious one. I got two obvious ones.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Worst in cabin.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  Having whipped cream sprayed on my windshield in college, it then melted and went down into the cabin air filter intake. And despite washing the car, the car smelled like gently of old spoiled cream for six months.

• 1:14:51Matt Farah?

  That's terrible. Yeah.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:54Matt Farah?

  I spilled a couple of ounces of old differential fluid in the back of my, what was brand new Honda Odyssey, and I had to have the entire interior replaced. Not like, no, no, that's, we took the seats out. I had to have all of the carpet in the interior replaced. It was not cleanable.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, still smelled a little bit.

• 1:15:15Matt Farah?

  It was hot.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  It seeped into the metal.

• 1:15:17Matt Farah?

  It was so fucked up. And then, of course, you know, the car that was totaled from the seafood chowder, but that's a different story for a different day. Nothing Man, just a brain of J-turns. Good entry-level EVs are getting cheap. Pick for a used EV toaster under 20K. I mean, I really had a great experience with a Mach-E.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  My friend, I had that Mach-E in Colorado. One of my friends bought one. It had 17,000 miles on it, used, 24 grand.

• 1:15:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  In Washington. And they love it. Like, you can scoop those for basically $20,000.

• 1:15:56Matt Farah?

  And they're very well-made.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  And I think that is my favorite budget EV. Yeah.

• 1:15:59Matt Farah?

  My brother-in-law is getting ready to sell his Bronco that he's had for, since the first year the Bronco came out, and he was like, I think I'm gonna go electric. And I was like, Mach-E rally, Mach-E rally. And he found a lightly-used one, like eight or 9,000 miles, in a good color, 40K. And I was like, that's your, that's your car.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Matt Farah?

  That's your car right there.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  So fun.

• 1:16:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So I'm on Team Mach-E. Otherwise, I like, I like an Ioniq 5.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  Kia EV6, we talked about, that's probably not 20, well, maybe.

• 1:16:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, probably. I bet you. Not a GT, but I bet you a, I bet you a regular one, R. Yeah. Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club, is the C8 a performance bargain? Do you think, if so, do you think companies like Porsche are seeing hits to their bottom line, or am I totally wrong and people aren't ever cross-shopping the three? I think they're cross-shopping Porsche with ZR1s and maybe Z06s.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:05Matt Farah?

  Ferrari, they are not.

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  Ferrari, they're not.

• 1:17:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  But I, but I think the C8 has brought in more younger buyers to the Corvette brand than any of the previous generations. So I think that tells me that younger people are less, less brand loyal. So they're probably taking more shoppers away from other stuff.

• 1:17:22Matt Farah?

  I think that's probably true. I don't think Porsche or Ferrari is having trouble selling their core product to their core audience at all. Of course, the car, the cars, the Corvette is a performance bargain. Every, every variant of Corvette.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:17:42Matt Farah?

  Competes with cars that are anywhere from 100 to 200 or 300% more expensive. But the fact that it is considered a performance bargain is, would be, would be considered, would be like a point against for Ferrari or Porsche. No, you know what I mean? Like, Ferraris and Porsches being expensive is sort of the thing. If people start seeing them as values, they will lose a big part of what they, they want their brand to be. You know? Porsche doesn't care if you don't think it's car, their cars are a good value. Like the sports cars.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:24Matt Farah?

  You know, they, they, they know you're cross-shopping a Macan against some other shit. But like, if you want a GT3, you know, their fucking tagline is, there is no substitute.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  And they're like, hey, we're still NA, we're making less power than any of the things that are competing with us price-wise. And they can't sell enough.

• 1:18:41Matt Farah?

  And $400,000, please. The new Honda Prolapse EV. Honda Prolapse is pretty funny. Do you think that word ended up in a, in a, in a jumble of P-words that is some, some branding company was working on? All right, guys, we got a new five-seat EV crossover coming out. You know, you know the naming scheme, it's gotta be a P. What do we got? And they just start throwing words out.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 1:19:09Matt Farah?

  How long before they got to Prolapse?

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  God, I hate that I know what that word means.

• 1:19:13Matt Farah?

  Just put an LSD in my car and the difference was instant and awesome. Makes me wonder why more sports and sporty cars don't have it as standard. Cost. It's funny, I put an LSD under my tongue and the difference was instant and awesome. Yeah, cost, probably fuel efficiency somewhere.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, complexity.

• 1:19:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  And most people, most people don't notice or care. If they're not sporty drivers or not, I mean, I know there's a lot of uses for it, off-roading and stuff, but if you were just driving down the road in a climate that has no real inclement weather, simple, simple is better, cheaper is gonna be better for you and the company, so that's what they go with.

• 1:19:54Matt Farah?

  I don't think base 911s have a limited slip diff. I think the base Carrera, the T gets it.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:20:03Matt Farah?

  But not the base with PDK has a fucking open diff. And people, you know, people buy them. You, you have to be not a great driver, but you have to be in touch with your machine and able to do a, a, a pretty decent baseline level of dynamic driving before you even really know what you don't have without an LSD.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  Or you get stuck in the mud.

• 1:20:28Matt Farah?

  Or you get stuck in the mud in Alabama. Yeah. Murray Long, last name. You ever try something once, successfully, think you can do it again, and fail miserably? I was in the pit at Real Big Fish and I thought I could take the pit at Papa Roach and I was wrong. Yo, shout out to, to our boy, holy fuck, Jerry Horton. I, Jesus, sorry, Jerry. Jerry Horton, the guitar player for Papa Roach, who is a friend of the program, friend of the show, and is a fucking talented guitar player. Also, today's Jacoby Shaddix's birthday, if you knew that. He's the singer for Papa Roach.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 1:21:09Matt Farah?

  They put on a fucking show, dude. Next time they come to town.

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  Go see him? I've never seen them.

• 1:21:15Matt Farah?

  They, you know, they've, they've fucking got it live. They've got the good energy, they've got more songs that you remember than you remember.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Right. More than the Tony Hawk soundtrack?

• 1:21:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They've, they've got good energy live. I really enjoyed seeing, seeing Jerry and Papa Roach. And I talked to Jerry about cars all the time. GT3 driver, man of taste. Yeah, we gotta see him next time they're in LA. Yeah, the pit, I'm, I'm too old for the pit. Sorry.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  I stand and nod. And I look at, last time I went to like a heavy show with Corey, I was watching, I was like, do I wanna go in there? Am I feeling the internal energy? I was like, nah, I don't need to fight people and, not, not fight, but you know what I mean, like, I don't need to get that out anymore.

• 1:21:57Matt Farah?

  Zach and I went to 311 and Jones Beach Theater in New York, and it was, it was a whole bunch of people that used to be in the pit.

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:07Matt Farah?

  And are now or not anymore.

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  100%. It was people that used to be in the pit and people that used to sit on people's shoulders.

• 1:22:13Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  And like flash 311. And all of us stood there and had a real good time.

• 1:22:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Shout out to Hannah's cousin, Adam.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:22:21Matt Farah?

  Who is the GM of, of Jones Beach Theater and took very good care of us. Okay, last two. L. McPherson strutting around. Why do you think there isn't more car sales price transparency outside of auctions like there is for real estate? Boy, is that a fucking loaded question, given what's been going on with auctions. Cars are more commoditized than real estate but have no market price like a stock or commodity. It's hard to know what a car is really worth, aside from auctions which have limited visibility and buyer pools. I suspect dealers wouldn't like full price transparency, but that's a shitty reason to not have it.

• 1:23:02Matt Farah?

  I mean, that, it's because dealers need to make money. I mean, there's, there's a regular attempt by legislators to get more transparency, and then the dealership lobby always fights it, and they win some small victories, but there really isn't any, you know, I mean, there are laws on, on transparency, but if what you're talking about is the value of, the market value of a car, like what a car is worth, it's hard to know that because like, it's your car. You know, like, your car, your miles, like, the condition is different, specific combinations

• 1:23:44Matt Farah?

  of options are always different. I mean, but it's, but it is, it's, it's definitely possible. If you take a Kelley Blue Book, a publicly available tool, and you subtract 15% off what it says, that's what it's worth. Like, to a dealer or something. Like, that's all you have to do. Bring a Trailer and Cars and Bids, you know, and other auctions are harder, especially given if the car is rarer and/or more special, because there's more likely to be like shenanigans. But if the car is like a fairly normal car, where there's not likely to be shenanigans

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  and market fixing, then you can use the valuation tools on Bring a Trailer, the past, the past sales, or there's the Hagerty Cars That Matter Price Guide. That's a good place to start. But like, yeah, dealers don't want transparency, they wanna take your money.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's on you to learn how to fucking do that.

• 1:24:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, I don't actually know the, do you know that one?

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:24:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, rich guy crossing the mustard. The answer to your question is no, I'm sorry. Um, I'll always be here for Matt's cats. Well, ends on this one. You always talk about how speed doesn't cut it for you anymore and you need to find increasingly weird stuff like the Manx to scratch the enthusiast itch. Well, I took a page out of your book. I sold my G70 and got a Yural Gear Up. Is that the, um, sidecar thing? Can you look up a Yural Gear Up? I'm pretty sure this is a s-

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  I think, oh, a hundred percent is.

• 1:25:31Matt Farah?

  Is this a Russian sidecar motorcycle?

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Um, uh, our friend Zach Bowman and Sam Smith once rode this together from Seattle to Los Angeles.

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  Good god.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  For a great, painful article.

• 1:25:42Matt Farah?

  I don't know where this thing is made, but this is, as far as I recall, this is a sidecar motorcycle that has a proper drive shaft connecting the two. Like, I don't really think you disconnect the sidecar. I thought it had a shaft. Doesn't it? Isn't that what that is? It does, yeah.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that looks like it's got an output shaft coming from the right side of the motorcycle that goes across to the, so basically it's got two-wheel drive, right?

• 1:26:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Oh, look, it says on the back. It has a two-wheel drive badge on it.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  A two-wheel drive sidecar motorcycle that, you know, could go anywhere, uh, that, you know, World War II needs you to go. Um, they're funky. You see, I see a sidecar person maybe once every two months, you know, and it, they have a dog in the sidecar or a, uh, outgoing family member that's like down for adventure or has been held hostage, has to go in this funny thing. They're, they're funny.

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  I absolutely respect your weirdness, sir.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:40Matt Farah?

  I totally respect you doing the weird thing. I have to admit, motorcycling where the bike doesn't lean, it, to me is, I, I don't get it. But, like, in terms of, like, exiting the rat race and, and taking a tangent into the world of weird.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:01Matt Farah?

  I'm a hundred percent pro-

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  This is very far into that, too. It's got like knobby tires. The seat does not look like it's contoured for a human body at all. Uh, like, look, it's just so flat, but they do look tough. They're cool.

• 1:27:12Matt Farah?

  And you look ready to shoot Americans. When you drive one of these.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you do. These are in a lot of those movies and it's not us riding them. We had the Willys.

• 1:27:28Matt Farah?

  When you see them in the movies, though, this is what they're doing on them. It's all this. It's just a bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  That's why they don't hit anything, actually.

• 1:27:36Matt Farah?

  Hence.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  But they are, they're cool.

• 1:27:39Matt Farah?

  But respect the weird. Oh, on-demand two-wheel drive. It's got a, uh, it's got a diff. You know, it's got a-

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  You know, it might be a cool adventure to overland this once.

• 1:27:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  Throw your tent and stuff in the footwell and, um, take some, like, the BDR roads, backcountry discovery route. You could do that stuff.

• 1:27:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  You can't tip over, so that's nice.

• 1:28:03Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Off-roading you can.

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  You think, you think so, huh?

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  I mean, I could. But like, but it's, it's harder to tip over, I should say. Jerry, you can get a jerry can with it. You can get an utility shovel. Like, this is what this is.

• 1:28:14Matt Farah?

  Course you can.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:16Matt Farah?

  It's, I mean, dude, that, this is, the world needs more people willing to ride shit like this.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  Parking this next to a Ineos, like, that's how you win that parking lot.

• 1:28:26Matt Farah?

  Tender to Ineos.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Kinda, yeah. But also like, they're imposters compared to this thing.

• 1:28:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  If you both go on the same trail.

• 1:28:33Matt Farah?

  You could like tow behind it? Like, not tow, not, no, not tow behind it, tow it behind.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:28:41Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  Uh-

• 1:28:43Matt Farah?

  And by the way, you probably could hook up a little trailer to this and tow behind it.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  The littlest trailer. For your, for your dog.

• 1:28:49Matt Farah?

  For your dog.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then your partner is-

• 1:28:51Matt Farah?

  Or for your stuff. No, you, like a teardrop. You could tow a little teardrop. Trailer with one of these things.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  The littlest teardrop.

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Guess you got a car, man. What are you doing? You got two driven wheels, you got three wheels, and then you're towing a trailer. So you got a five-wheel vehicle that, uh, holds nothing. Um, yeah.

• 1:29:11Matt Farah?

  I saw, when I was in, uh, when I was in Washington, I saw a big gang of like thirty or forty of fucking fat dudes on trikes. Just big fucking trikes. Please, if I ever become unhealthy enough where I can no longer ride on two wheels, can you just insist I hang that fucking hat up?

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  You know, I, I used to have the same opinion, a hundred percent. And the other day I was sitting, we were at Kernville, and I watched these like three Harley people roll in and someone was on a trike. And I saw, I thought, if you've been a motorcycle person for a long time and that's what you love doing, and so much of it is like, you get to smell the environment, you hear the sounds, like you're out there, and you remove the one thing of like lean and park because you're, you know, too disabled or whatever to hold a 600-pound motorcycle up. Cause everyone else in the group had a hog.

• 1:30:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Like a huge, not, not a little, you know, DR whatever. And I was like, just have, just go for it. I get it.

• 1:30:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, I'm, I'm standing by.

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  Fine, that's totally fine.

• 1:30:14Matt Farah?

  Tell me to hang it up.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:15Matt Farah?

  The Manx is that.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  You don't have to choose that.

• 1:30:17Matt Farah?

  The Manx is the hog that you sit down in.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  I think I used to look at them like, what an idiot. And now I understand what they might be doing, but I, it would not be for me.

• 1:30:27Matt Farah?

  I also understand what they might be doing, and I don't like it.

• 1:30:33Matt Farah?

  That's our show. Thanks, patrons. We love you very much. Thank you to everyone else for listening. We appreciate y'alls too, just the same, but we'd like you a little more if you were patrons. That's all I'm saying. August 20th for the 911 Turbo S giveaway. Get your orders in for our collab blather, blather, what? Collab Blazers with the Grotto by August 6th with our link in the bio and all of that stuff. We'll see you soon. Bye.