Reviews: Race Car and the Robot

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  We are gonna be at the Irvine Improv live with Richard Porter and Johnny Smith of Smith and Sniff, legendary British podcasters with The Smoking Tire, August 18th, 8pm at the Irvine Improv. Hit the link in the show notes or on our Instagram bio, or just Google The Smoking Tire Irvine Improv and you will get there. Once again, LA people, Orange County people, come on out and hang with the boys August 18th. And, uh, yeah, we love you guys. It's gonna be a great time. Let's go. On this episode of the podcast, sort of opposite

• 0:39Matt Farah?

  day. I drove a legit race car on the track and Zach, well, he drove an electric crossover. Boy, is the energy shifting in this show. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. Guten Morgen. Hello, everybody. Willkommen to the podcast.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Bonjour.

• 0:59Matt Farah?

  Bonjour. Bienvenidos. What the fuck is up? Just had my ears filled with a bunch of silicone.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:07Matt Farah?

  It went.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  You went into the thing.

• 1:10Matt Farah?

  Crackly thing.

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12Matt Farah?

  And, uh, it was, uh, it was time. You gotta, I, I, and my, and you know what the guy told me? That we're getting, I'm getting the custom ear molds for, uh, not just racing comms earbuds, but I'm having a second set made that are just like you have, that are just nothing. They're just regular for motorcycling.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33Matt Farah?

  Um, and or, you know, whatever else, non-comms related, um, shooting, et cetera. And, uh, he said that I, he, that my right ear has a scratch like deep in the canal. And I think it's from when I took my helmet off at the Cletus race, it like yanked the foamy earbuds out like hard. And I think that scratched the inside of my ear.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, the foam things, I mean, they're, they're a good solution. They like, they're a little overpriced in my opinion for what they are.

• 2:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  But eventually after using them like seven times, if you're not really careful, the, the speaker will push through the foam.

• 2:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  It's metal versus foam. And then it starts to like poke your ear.

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's no good.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  And I was like, it's time to get the real ones. Cause those things, they, they sell them on racing electric, whatever website. And they were still like 120 bucks.

• 2:22Matt Farah?

  They're generally far too expensive considering it's.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  It's a 20 cent ear foam plug.

• 2:29Matt Farah?

  Wrapped, wrapped around a maximum $1 wire and speaker set.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36Matt Farah?

  Like the, the cheapest possible quality in, in communications.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Forty dollars, not a hundred and whatever it is.

• 2:43Matt Farah?

  Which they probably were a couple of years ago.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  That's a good point. That's a very good point. Um, but yeah, man, the custom things, man, they were, they're amazing. When I wore them at the Cletus race.

• 2:52Matt Farah?

  Buy it once, buy it for life.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54Matt Farah?

  Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, so I'm, I'm excited to get those. But they, uh, the, looking at the inside of your ear in silicone is funky.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  It is. More twists and turns than I expected.

• 3:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  And then did you watch the can, the screen when they were doing it?

• 3:08Matt Farah?

  I didn't watch the screen. I looked, I just, when the thing came out and it looked like a, you know, flaccid pink cock. And they're like, that part is the curve of your ear canal. And I was like, the cock part? And he's like, yep.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  So it's very exciting.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  It's meant to receive.

• 3:23Matt Farah?

  Definitely.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  It was cool. I, I, I could see my titanium implant on the screen when he's like, you see that? I was like, yeah. Why is there a, a jewel in my ear? And he's like, that's your, your eardrum's clear, which I didn't know. You could like see through it. It's cool.

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know. I didn't pay attention to the, to the screen. I was actually didn't even realize there was a screen. Oh, neat. Um, yeah, getting prepped for the, uh, for the Vespa trip. It's happening on, on Monday. The big decision is, you know, we are likely to see temperatures as high as 105 degrees and as low as like the low 60s. So the question is, do I wear my fall winter jacket, which is wind, wind and waterproof, but does have vents. It's got like six vents that can open and suffer through like four hours on day

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  one, but be better on day two or three? Or do I wear my summer jacket, which is mostly like a, like a mesh?

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Textile, yeah.

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  It's, yeah.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  It all, it all breathes, right?

• 4:31Matt Farah?

  It breathes.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  Except for the very upper. My shoulders and down to the elbow pad, like the outer bits, don't, don't breathe, but your whole chest effectively breathes. Um, I look sexy in it. I'll be honest. I look, I look better in it. I look good in that jacket. Cause when I have like shoulder pads on and it really makes my body look like fucking Dolph Lundgren.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Dude, totally. When I wore my motorcycle suit back in the day, I was like, I'm a superhero.

• 4:57Matt Farah?

  I look great.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  I am Wolverine.

• 4:58Matt Farah?

  When I go, when I ride the Vespa to the grocery store and, you know, go in wearing the jacket and people are like, hey, what's up with this guy?

• 5:05Speaker 01

  You feel, you feel invincible. You got all these pads on.

• 5:07Matt Farah?

  I've seen you in a Myers.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  And like the knuckles on the, on the gloves.

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  Right. Yeah. You, yeah. So, but, and I could wear, you know, mul, various under, you know, layers underneath that would keep me warmer for the, for the bits in the morning when it's cold. And then I would be very comfortable when it got hot. But I do not really have waterproofness.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Is it only gonna be in the 60s, like in the mornings of day two and three? Cause I, I, cause you're gonna be on a moving vehicle. So I looked up wind chill factor and if.

• 5:38Matt Farah?

  No, the highs, the highs are like in the mid 70s to, to low 80s every day.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:45Matt Farah?

  I think summer jacket, base layer or thin fleece if needed for cold mornings and roll the dice on getting wet.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Cause I'm curious about the wind chill factor. Cause if, so if you're going 60 miles per hour.

• 6:02Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, usually the line, we don't, you don't need to do math on this, but usually the line for me of which jacket I wear is like about 70 degrees, 70, 75 degrees. If it's above 75, then summer jacket for sure, particularly if I'm riding in the city, not the highway.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:24Matt Farah?

  And, and if it's below like 70, winter jacket for sure. But like, ugh.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  I, uh, I guess I would go textile jacket, bring extra layers and you could always, if you have a shell that will fit over it.

• 6:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  That's how you make that windproof for the morning.

• 6:41Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  You know, and it won't breathe as well.

• 6:42Matt Farah?

  But I also like, I have to, I really have to pack very light.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. But don't you have a shell that rolls up to like the size of this water bottle?

• 6:49Matt Farah?

  I think so. I think so. Yeah. I don't know if it'll fit over my motorcycle jacket.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Uh, that's a good point.

• 6:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Usually compact rolling up thing is, is not, you know?

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:03Matt Farah?

  So I, I, I think I, right now, summer jacket with under things is leading and roll the dice on getting wet. It seems unlikely we will get wet.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  I mean, you could also wear a shell underneath the moto jacket.

• 7:16Matt Farah?

  That's the other, if I had, that's more likely is I would have some kind of water resistant under thing.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  I mean, that gives, cause then it, you can always take layers off, obviously. But like if you're wearing, if you're wearing that, the winter jacket, you know, you open those zippers and that's all you got. And it's 90 degrees, 100.

• 7:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's not a good idea. 105.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  105 is like, you get overheated, like that's dangerous.

• 7:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, for the part where, where it'll be that hot, which is when we go up over the 33 into, into central California, we're only in that bit for like an hour and a half to two hours. Um, but a fucking hot bit. And it's a, it's a, it's a, in the middle of a long day of riding.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:59Matt Farah?

  So that's like, it's like a 240 mile ride day, which on a Vespa.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Summer jacket.

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  A lot. Yeah. I, I think that's the move. So that's, that's what the, that and I'm trying, and I'm, I'm trying to figure out because, you know, what duffel bag will be very light, but hold the, the two to three days worth of clothing because I effectively have, I gotta carry that home on the plane and leave my motorcycle shit with the bike.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 8:26Matt Farah?

  You know, so it, I can't just like use the thing with that like full of clothes with no like duffel bag. It's gotta, I gotta have the duffel bag. So anyway, that's the math I'm doing right now. Great times.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  That'll be cool.

• 8:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But yesterday I went out to Willow Springs. Oh, I didn't send you, Marco put up pictures on TLG Autos Instagram. I didn't put up pictures yet of, uh, Marco, our friend, uh, Porsche Service Restoration in Motorsport Genius, our pal Marco, um, bought himself a 996 Cup car at, uh, Luft last year, at the Broad Arrow Auction that they have, had at Luft. He bought himself this thing. It's a 2002, uh, 996 Cup car, originally driven by Timo Bernhard.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 9:18Matt Farah?

  Finished, uh, I think it was second or third in the championship that's year, that year. It's in really nice condition cosmetically, like it was never crashed, um, as far as he could tell, uh, and, and there wasn't really a record of, of it being crashed. And, uh, it's just in really, really nice condition. And he put a, he put a fat kid's seat in it and fully serviced it and put new brakes and new tires on it. And, uh, I had him out for, uh, to abuse my membership at Willow Springs. And we've ripped the shit out of this car.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 9:53Matt Farah?

  All morning. I saw, I, I really wish you were there. We're gonna take it out again.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:58Matt Farah?

  We're gonna have, we're gonna have another go in it, um, later. You know, this car, and I made a video. There is a video. I was by myself. So it's, you know, pretty primitive video, but there's lots of cool angles and the audio works really good.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 10:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, whatever my placement was of the exhaust mic was like pretty ace.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 10:17Matt Farah?

  Um, and, uh, what, a, a, a couple of things about this car. One, it, it really, um,

• 10:27Matt Farah?

  It's amazing how the powertrain, in terms of the powertrain, how really like, street car, it feels. And I've driven the 992 cup car. The 992 cup car, whatever relationship it has to the street car is not perceptible when you're driving it. There's like, nothing there from the street car. Um, it's got this big butterfly steering wheel with a million fucking knobs and all the... The right, this car, it's like, round steering wheel, stick shift, key, that's it. You know, there's a digital, like a digital race-

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Right, so it feels more like they took the street car, stripped it, and then just added the data-

• 11:10Matt Farah?

  Added a cage, and like, racing suspension, and like, that's it. And the engine is effectively a stock, you know, 3.6 from the GT3, 380 horsepower, maybe, maybe a little more because it's got no cats, you know, and it's got a racing muffler. It has no airbox, it has like, it might just be a straight like, K and N cone in.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 11:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, funny. I mean, it's all, it's pretty awesome. It sounds great. And it was fantastically light and talkative and easy to drive. Very, very low learning curve. Warm the tires up and you just, you just drive it like a sports car. It doesn't have, you know, with this, with this aero, if you can even really call it an aero setup, it's really-

• 12:01Speaker 01

  It's got a big wing, but the front, there's no big front splitter at all.

• 12:04Matt Farah?

  No big front splitter, just as it was. You know, it's, um, it's not, it doesn't have like, big downforce. It's, it's, what it has is, it's stable. It's got a lot of stability. Um, but it's not like, you're not going flat over the fucking, you know, because you've got so much downforce. Like, no, you have, you have slicks. Slicks go a pretty long way. Uh, but you have a lot of stability. And that's really nice.

• 12:33Matt Farah?

  It had a great balance. The steering really talks to you. The ratio wasn't too sharp, but on streets, I never had to go over

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:41Matt Farah?

  180 degrees. So there's no, I didn't have to shuffle steer. 6-speed, you know, it was, it's not, they use like the numeric or whatever. There's like an upgraded cable setup for the shifter that makes it like a little notchier, but it's stock, you know, stock-ish gearbox. You know, it's got a diff, I think, in it, because it's put, and, and it's great, like, the way it, the way that like, it kind of like, hops a little through corners like you've seen, you know, Porsche's doing in racing footage. You know, you can sort of stick it, but also kind of like hop it a little. You can really stand on the brakes and it turns in hard. Um, and, and once you've got it

• 13:23Matt Farah?

  uh, set, you just start to feed in the, in the power through the corners and it's really, really, really nice and after a couple sessions, and you got the tires scrubbed off and had the pressures set really nice, it was fucking good time, really good time.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Real race car.

• 13:40Matt Farah?

  And this one, um, you know, because it has an interesting history and it's in very nice shape and it's been fully, if Marco wanted to turn around and sell this thing today, it would probably be like 130, 140 grand. This is probably at the upper end of 996 cup cars. But like, you can get a, one that doesn't have, you know, that doesn't have a famous history, that nobody was driving, or, you know, whatever, 75,000 bucks? And for a interesting and easy and fun, um, and a really engaging track car, like, wow, this is, that's a something.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:24Matt Farah?

  That's definitely something I could get down with.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. That would be really exciting. Uh, do you know, you know, one of the big things they talk about as the GT3 generations went on is adding the double wishbones?

• 14:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Which was like, like I remember talking to Lee Keane, who used to race GT3 cars, about like, how when they changed that, like, the turn-in was better and you could hit bumps better and all that stuff. Did this have that?

• 14:47Matt Farah?

  No.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  I assume no. So did you hit curbs at all and feel like-

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• 19:52Matt Farah?

  you, you can, you will hop the car. It doesn't, it will not take a curb smoothly. Um, but the curbs at Streets of Willow are not that aggressive right now. They're really, they're pretty mild in, in terms of the grand scheme of curbing, so it didn't upset the car that badly.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  How did it feel compared to newer GT3 cars you've driven? Like, it's smaller.

• 20:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, the visibility's really good, it's small, it doesn't, it doesn't, I think it weighs like 2,900 pounds. Like, it's, it's fucking light and, and, uh, so it, it feels kind of like, like, tracking sort of like a modern, um-

• 20:37Matt Farah?

  Like a GT3 street car, but like shrunk down. Like the experience is the same. It's like revs to eight. You know, the experience is is kind of similar of the rear engine. Design. It's definitely not as wide. It's not as bulky. It's not as big. And it's it's more raw, but like. I really. I I don't. I didn't love the 996 GT3 street car when I drove all those GT3s back to back. It was like not my least favorite of them. But like when you put slicks on it and like, like when you turn it into a race car somehow it's like. It's a different vibe and it was really, really fabulous.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  When I drove the the 996 GT3 in Germany, I just remember it like. It sounded, it looked, sounded in road like a race car.

• 21:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  But the interior was cosplaying as street car, which I mean, granted, that's what they're all doing. That's what the RSs are all doing. But it just was like. So firm and not unrefined, but it was like clearly from a different era before Magrider, before adaptive this and that. Like before all the technology that can kind of make a car do more than one thing. But in this setting, you know, you've taken that. The essence of the car.

• 21:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  And let it be what it is.

• 21:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  And that seems awesome.

• 21:54Matt Farah?

  It makes a lot of sense and it did makes even more sense when you consider. That Marco sold his GT 2004 996 GT3 street car. And spent the money on this. So like he had the same thought, you know what? I could see what this should be. Let me just get the actual thing.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:14Matt Farah?

  And it does. It makes a lot more sense as a race car. Yeah.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  There's there's something so fun about. I mean, any race car that's that stripped out is just like you've you feel focused. You are focused. The conversations with your body, like the locked down seat, just all that stuff. All the extra noise is gone, you know, the static or like it's just a clear signal. It's so fun.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  But it's this car's 23 years old, 24 years old. And it, other than being serviced, you know, by Marco to to be safe to drive, it hasn't been. Improved on since then. It's not like he went, well, I put better shocks or I put better this or better that or. You know, they used to do this, but we fixed it like, no, no, it's as it was. And it does not. Like it's it's considered like classic at this point, like you could buy this and race it in. You know, they're doing Goodwood at Willow Springs in two years, 2028. They're doing, they're actually having like pro Goodwood, Goodwood, not like another brand. It's like Goodwood. Um, at Willow, like you, Marco was like. Is is going to be able to enter this.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 23:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  It's wild considering most of Goodwood Revival's footage. That they show on Instagram that I watch every day is like the cars from the 60s.

• 23:32Matt Farah?

  But they're gonna have that too, but this is this is a classic race car now. And it's, you know, when you drive a. I've driven like air cooled race cars, right? And when you drive an air cooled race car like. It doesn't feel modern. It feels like a fucking old car that you're driving like. This doesn't feel any different to drive than if you're driving like a. Fucking a gutted 86 with a cage or something like it's it. You drive it just like you would drive a a sports car today. You don't have to classic car it. You're adjust in any way, the pedals, the shifter, like it's just like driving in the canyon. Except way more grip and um. Everything is super, super tight, tight, tight, tight.

• 24:15Matt Farah?

  And because you're strapped in so tight. It's true fingertips driving. Wait till you see the video. It's just a fucking delight. It's great. Car ran, car ran cool. You know, the coolant never got over like 205 or something. Hot. I mean, it was high 80s, low 90s when we were there. Yeah, pretty warm.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, Marco wrote the weather was perfect. I read that this morning. I was like, oh, maybe it wasn't as hot as I expected.

• 24:41Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, it was, you know, high 80s, low 90s at Willow isn't actually all that bad. I mean, and by the, do you see the, wait, is there a photo? Do you see the shade they built? Wait, click, look at that. Look at that. We went out there fucking 20 years. We've been going to this track. It's been blaring sun. They built a giant awning. To have as a paddock, fucking.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is like the one they have in Miami.

• 25:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Which is very helpful in Miami. Yeah. Oh, right. Thermal.

• 25:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So the shades are like game, game changer.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  This is an Eleanor Must or Revology?

• 25:12Matt Farah?

  You don't recognize that car? Cause I recognize that car.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  It's the one we drove?

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 25:17Matt Farah?

  Its owner. Brought it out there.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Whoa, cool.

• 25:20Matt Farah?

  Was running some laps in it. Yeah. And heat soaked it and kind of overheated it in like two and a half laps. And it was like the blower, obviously the blower. Also. Got wheel spin. I was on the side. I was in the paddock watching, got like wheel spin at like. 90 coming onto the front straight. Had corrected, you know, fortunately, but like, woo.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Was the driver happy about that moment or was it a surprise?

• 25:49Matt Farah?

  He um. He had some experience. He was not a, not a massive amount of experience. Um, but he. Um, I think the story was he was British and really didn't have much experience driving on the left hand side of the car.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:08Matt Farah?

  Which but like he was, he was a nice guy. I don't want to, I don't want to say his name or anything, but like. I don't think he was expecting that. It wasn't like a hold my beer moment. It was a. Wow, this really does have 700 horsepower.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Tires are really hot if it's been out there for a couple laps.

• 26:24Matt Farah?

  He was, he was, he was a very good sport about it, but and he said they warned him. He said, if you really are going to be. Taking this car on the racetrack or, you know, driving it really hard, you want the naturally aspirated one. Which is true for all Mustangs.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  And C6 Corvettes.

• 26:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. No, if you had, if you had a brand new Mustang GT and you were considering putting a blower on it, that would be the same advice.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Yep. Um, what else? You guys had a couple of things out there. Uh, what was that Alpha deal?

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, that was this dude Anthony, uh, who was a uh. Alpha. Like restorer, race racer, and he was building, he built a car for. Our, our homie Tomaso and Jimmy Johnson to race at Monterey and Goodwood. And so he was shaking it down.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:11Matt Farah?

  It worked.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:12Matt Farah?

  Lovely little thing. Luminum GTA.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  God, those are such good looking cars.

• 27:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Really, but it probably, it looked like a very expensive build. And when I tell you that he gave me a point by with about a 50 mile an hour differential in this car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Well, he's running like a 1.8.

• 27:31Matt Farah?

  It was a 1.6. I mean, it was, yeah, it was, it was beautiful. The car was gorgeous. Someone's gonna have a real good time driving it. Um, but yeah, this, this car, this was like. Fast. Like what was? Um. I think I'm pretty sure, I don't know how connected it was, but I, I'm pretty sure I saw 126 on the. Display on the dash, which is a pretty decent time for this track in in the car.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think. Uh, I think when Larry Chen had his time attack car there, they were running around that time.

• 28:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, that makes sense.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:12Matt Farah?

  I think it was a pretty solid time and, you know, considering my, my first two sessions ever in this car. Um, it's 25 years old. Pretty. It was dude, next time we bring it out. And there will be more times for sure. Marco was like, oh yeah, this was fun. We're gonna do this.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the point of having that car.

• 28:29Matt Farah?

  That's the point of having this car. You have to drive it. It was just so, so it's like. You need one lap to put heat in the tires and then you just hammer the fuck down. Um, it's very, very cool. Really good fun.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Do you trail brake these to keep them? I always forget like.

• 28:46Matt Farah?

  I break late in it and then hold, yeah, hold the brake and trail brake in and uh. And then just right on the gas and be ready with my left foot to hover on the brake a little bit. Rather than lift off the gas as I exit the corner. You know, in a rear, in a rear engine car, you don't want to lift off the gas. But if you have to set the nose, you can, you can brush with your left foot to set the nose. Yeah.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 29:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 29:10Matt Farah?

  Very nice.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  It looks, and it looks so simple. I love the rockers on these. The side, it's just a great shape. I know it's a weird note, but like, it's just a good, good looking car.

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I think, I think the, look, all cars look better as race cars, right? And so I don't hate the 996. It's my least favorite modern 911.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 29:31Matt Farah?

  But like as race car with cool livery, yeah. Yeah. Not kicking that out of bed. Not, no way. Fucking great. Yeah, it was a good time.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  I mean, when they first reviewed the Gumpert Apollo, the first one, I remember going, cool. And my brain was like, my other was like, really? Look at all the shapes. And I was like, I know, but fast.

• 29:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Gumpert.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Same rule applies.

• 29:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, Gumpert. Then they dropped the Gumpert, just became Apollo.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 29:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Willow Springs just got a, they bought an 86. They realized like they had bought these, those club sports, those came in and they're like, "Yeah, you know, we were, you know, getting people who were coming out and like had like very little experience and we're just putting them in these club sports, you know, on slicks and we realized there should probably be some kind of a stepping stone to that."

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Yes, that's a good idea.

• 30:21Matt Farah?

  Sounds good.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. What do they do at, like at Thermal, the BMW school? What is the first car they put you in? Do you know?

• 30:29Matt Farah?

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• 32:22Speaker 01

  M2, but it's on a small handling course.

• 32:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  So you can just...

• 32:25Matt Farah?

  But it's a, it's a street car.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:27Matt Farah?

  These fucking things are on slicks.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 32:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you don't, you don't want to go from, I mean...

• 32:30Speaker 01

  And the tightest track here that's open is streets.

• 32:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, you don't, I mean, I love these race cars. These are fucking so fun. I've driven them. They're like a great time. But like, I can imagine coming off this, I think, I think every time a new one of these clubs open, they're surprised at just how high a percentage of novices, true novices are interested in joining. Remember our buddy Aaron down at the Concourse Club? The dude who runs, shout out to Aaron at the Concourse Club Miami. The best.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Nice guy. Does a great job.

• 33:05Matt Farah?

  The coolest. Love the guy. He was like, he said 80% of their members had never driven on a racetrack when joining. 80! That's a fucking crazy number, isn't it?

• 33:19Speaker 01

  That is really high. I mean, I can understand if they've only done it once.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  But never.

• 33:25Matt Farah?

  Never.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Never's really high because they're clearly into cars and driving and they've been making money for a long time to become members there.

• 33:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  So you'd think at some point, but you know, I guess life...

• 33:35Matt Farah?

  I think, you know, that because the Concourse Club is in effectively downtown Miami or very close to it, you can use it as more of a social club. You can use it as more of a hangout. And so I think the percentage would, could be a lot, like Willow, it's in the middle of fucking nowhere.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  But like, imagine joining a, like a golf country club and be like, never played before.

• 33:58Matt Farah?

  No, crazy.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  You know, and I'm jumping right in to this very specific thing. And the country clubs usually have a lot more amenities than just the course.

• 34:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  But these track clubs, it's like, for the most part, it's a track, a restaurant, and some rooms to sit in.

• 34:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Maybe, maybe their friends are into it and got them into it. Maybe they came out on a, got a tour and got a taste, you know, like these guys do. And they were like, "Holy shit, I'm in on this." You know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I haven't sat down and interviewed, that would be a good story, maybe. Meet, talk to the people that went from zero to spending half a million dollars, you know, joining a track club. I think would be a very interesting, maybe, maybe the Willow people would set that up. The percentage must be lower at Willow Springs. It's way out there. You're not gonna, you're not gonna commit your time if you don't have the experience already.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need to be driven by passion to get out there. Conqueror Club was smart because they had those M235s, right?

• 34:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  And that was like the series that members could race in.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  Well, that's what, yeah, I mean...

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Safe cars, power's not too high.

• 34:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  It was a good entry.

• 35:00Matt Farah?

  That's what Aaron was saying is like, the most forgiving beginner race car. And having raced it, like, yeah, that tracks. 100% that tracks.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:10Matt Farah?

  These are the next step up from that.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 35:14Matt Farah?

  In price and performance and everything like that, these came in club sports, GT4RS club sports. But yeah, he, they, they do, a lot of the clubs that I know, here they're trying to figure out what, at Willow, you know, they're gonna do a member racing series. What is the car gonna be? And it's, you know, there's a variety of skill levels, budgets. And I said, "Look, talk to Aaron." You know, the M2s, M240s, they seem to be very popular. They were talking about maybe the 86 Cups. I've driven them. They're, they're a great time. They're a hoot.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  They run the autos in those, I think, right?

• 35:51Matt Farah?

  Sequentials.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  That, it changed, it really makes that car feel like a fucking race car. I mean, really, it's shocking how much difference that thing makes. The 86 Cup is very fun race car. So I don't know. I mean, it, it, I don't know where they'll land.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause you go like, what is our, what is our clientele want in terms of brand association, power, all that different stuff?

• 36:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So I'm sure they have the data and will, will let us know. But, but yeah, having, having something below a GT4RS club sport.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  On slicks.

• 36:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  You need to start with street tires. Slicks are totally different.

• 36:28Matt Farah?

  You gotta start with street tires and you gotta start with something with friendly, you, you can't have someone looking at this steering wheel with a thousand knobs on it, you know, and a, and a Motec display. You need to have normal gauges, normal inputs, just for, for most people to go...

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Dude, even when I get in those things or like the SIM stuff, like, there's, for people like us who don't drive race cars all the time, you go, "What does this stuff do again?" And they'll always go, "You don't need these seven."

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Okay. But I'm still looking at them. My brain is worried that I need to interact with these buttons.

• 37:01Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  So if you've never driven anything fast or been to a track before, total overwhelm.

• 37:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's why, it's also why when I drove the GT3RS at Thermal and it was, you know, the thing was $350,000 and it's a stupid street car because of how they've made it so racy. And, you know, I'll stand by that. That's fine. Say that shit to Andy's face. But, but, and I was like, right next to it, a row of GT3RSs was a dealership at the Thermal Track selling a brand new Ligier LMP3 car. And it was $179,000. And I go, "If the car never has to leave the property, why would you get?" And I was like, "How much faster is that around the track?" And they're like, you know, "Six seconds or something." And I go, "Why? Why would you not?" And they go, "Look at it."

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 37:50Matt Farah?

  Just look at it versus get in it and press the, or turn the little, turn the little thing and you're, and you're there. That's it.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  That's part of it. I also think that some of the popularity of like IMSA and GT racing is the cars look like the cars on the street, you know?

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  But if that was the case, people would buy cup cars. They'd just buy the IMSA cars.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Well, with the 3RS, they go, "Well, if I want to drive it on the street, I can." But I think the Ligier, it is, it's a step into a different kind of world and it's not as relatable and people don't really know what it is. I think there's a lot of that.

• 38:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can't brag about your Ligier, I guess. But if you showed someone a picture of it and said, "This is my race car."

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Well, now that we know how many people with these are, are brand new to track.

• 38:30Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  If you say, "I have a Ligier," they go, "A what?"

• 38:32Matt Farah?

  Well, that's the thing. A GT3RS, it, it's, it's the track car that when you sit in it is as, is mostly as approachable as a street car. But my argument is that the 996 Cup car is even more approachable. You just turn a goddamn key and, you know, and it's on. The clutch is, it's, it's not a street clutch. It's apparently holds more power, but it's, it doesn't chatter at all. You just take off like you would in a street car. Like the rev matching is just like a street car. There's everything else. It's like, it is as close to driving a 2005-era street car, which most, we, I think we collectively

• 39:16Matt Farah?

  agree, is like the height of driving.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  Analog, lightweight, before shit got too complex. Like, I think we all have all collectively, the market, everyone has decided that 2005 is, that's it, you know? This is, this is just that in race car, before the race cars got, you know, crazy complicated. You know, you could probably like, mostly, if you were handy, like service that car yourself.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. It's amazing that these existed at almost exactly the same time that Ferrari was putting, like, developing the ELSD. And their F1 cars had like the GPS-controlled differential and suspension stuff that like got banned, like...

• 39:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  You know, and that, and then that stuff did actually trickle down to race cars. And now race cars and some of the street cars are so complicated because it's like adaptive this and crazy diff's that. And everything's just gotten so busy.

• 40:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I mean, of course, it makes the, it, the trickle down is great, all that stuff. But I'm just talking purely, if you're spending real money on a track day toy, this is a thing to really consider. Cause it's real, it's real driving.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  And hopefully durable. I mean, it's a simple engine, right? It's a, it's a flat six.

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  It's a Metzger.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Very.

• 40:31Matt Farah?

  It's a fucking Metzger motor.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  An N/A Metzger.

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  This is the Metzger motor.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  I, I don't think Porsche engines get more durable.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Right. So that's pretty, that makes it pretty attractive.

• 40:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Pretty wild stuff. Should we get even more exciting? Tell me about that electric.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  Electric crossover.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Wait till you hear about the Hyundai Ioniq.

• 40:51Matt Farah?

  Really pivot. Really pivot right now.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Speaking of electrifying fun.

• 40:55Matt Farah?

  But wait, hang on. Let me, let me really tee it up after the break.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Not a bad idea.

• 41:01Matt Farah?

  Little Robert Evans for you.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Robert.

• 41:05Matt Farah?

  Behind the bastards.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 41:07Matt Farah?

  His throws to ad breaks are legendary shit. By the way, I just spent a lot of time in the car and I listened to the, the three parter Alexander Hamilton on the Dollop. Boy, fucking Lin-Manuel Miranda should be fucking put out to pasture, I think. For making a musical about Alexander Hamilton.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  It's a good musical.

• 41:27Matt Farah?

  Terrible human.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  I think everyone was probably terrible back then.

• 41:30Matt Farah?

  I don't know if anyone was as terrible as Alexander Hamilton.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Really?

• 41:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, many people, most people, I would argue, were not as terrible as Alexander Hamilton.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Wow, okay.

• 41:39Matt Farah?

  His terribleness directly caused a lot of the terribleness that we have in our, like, a lot of the specific failures in our society today are a result of things Alexander Hamilton did 230, 250 years ago.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 41:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  All right.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  If you got, if you got fucking six hours to kill and want an in-depth dive about why he's such a piece of shit.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:01Matt Farah?

  I do recommend.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  I'll save it for a long trip at some point by myself.

• 42:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, when we are, when we go to Detroit. To the aeroplane.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, we take the aeroplane. I'll probably edit or whatever the hell.

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  Haven't tried listening to podcasts in the motorcycle helmet yet, though. I don't know if that's gonna work versus just music background.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  I don't think, I, I think I'd be paying attention to too many things and then I'd be like, where was I? I have to go, like, that's why I don't listen to books on tape or audiobooks, cuz I often have to go back and reread the paragraph.

• 42:32Matt Farah?

  That, yeah.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  And you can't do that with listening to it.

• 42:35Matt Farah?

  You can't multitask while doing, the, the only multitasking I can do while listening to a podcast is drive.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  That's it. And sometimes that doesn't even work.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  But you still miss stuff, but usually it's like a podcast isn't as consequential, like, people go over things again, we do that. But a book, there might be a core piece of information in that sentence, and if you miss it, you're like, why'd he shoot that guy?

• 42:57Matt Farah?

  That's true, yeah. That, the book on, a book on tape is much more, yeah. Cooking is one I can listen to.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  You know, it's like, it's like the Hamilton musical. They omitted information and you get a different story. So if you're reading a book and you miss stuff, you're omitting information by accident and you get a different story.

• 43:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  You're like, this guy just wanted to be a painter and then I don't, I didn't listen to the rest of it.

• 43:19Matt Farah?

  That's very good. That's very good. Wait, I thought he was going to art school.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you miss, you miss the 18 years or whatever where the transition happened and you're like, he shot himself? Because of the art? What happened?

• 43:33Matt Farah?

  No, it's, nobody bought his paintings.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  They had an art retreat in the mountains, right? That's what this house is?

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  Oh my god. These, these jokes and more at our live show, August 18th, Irvine Improv. LA people, OC people, come on down. Hang out with the boys. Not just the boys, the boys from fucking England.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Richard Porter, Johnny Smith, two of truly the funniest people in this game. And it is an 8pm show, so I know that it's a weekday, but that gives you time to have dinner, hand your kids to whoever, and then drive to the show without having to deal with too much traffic.

• 44:07Matt Farah?

  Come on down. And we'll be talking about riveting topics like the Ioniq 9.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Well, we're also gonna do like, UK versus American cars, like, we're doing some good bits. But we're also gonna talk about the Ioniq 9 on the show.

• 44:18Matt Farah?

  Like now?

• 44:19Speaker 01

  This show, but also the live show.

• 44:21Matt Farah?

  Also there?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  The first hour, I think. Yeah.

• 44:24Matt Farah?

  That'll be the headline topic.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz we've got range and so does the Ioniq 9.

• 44:28Matt Farah?

  Does it?

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Uh, 335 mile.

• 44:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's pretty good, actually.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  If you get the long-range, two-wheel-drive version.

• 44:35Matt Farah?

  Is this matte finish?

• 44:36Speaker 01

  It's sort of like a matte silver. Yeah, it is kind of a matte silver.

• 44:39Matt Farah?

  It's, it looks kind of like trawny and nice in that, in that color, actually.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Um, I, I thought it was a pretty cool-looking car, but it does.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  Your comments in your Instagram seem to disagree with me completely. Everyone seems to think it's ugly. The top, including Johnny Smith. Oh no, he just says why it's not a roadmaster.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Why isn't it a roadmaster?

• 44:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, which is a fair question, if I'm honest. But everyone else seems to think it's ugly.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  I think some angles are cool. Like, I basically, I like the roofline. It reminds me of the Mercedes R class.

• 45:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Um, a bit. But then there's these things, someone called them eyebrows on the fender. I just think, and if, if we zoomed in, it looks like you can take off a flat panel and attach a flare you purchased at a later date.

• 45:19Matt Farah?

  Huh.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  It is a really weird.

• 45:22Matt Farah?

  It's for when they do the XRT one?

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Oh, they won't let me do it. I, I broke it. Yeah, it, it looks like they're doing XRT Raptor version and you'll just plug these fenders in.

• 45:31Matt Farah?

  I have to say, this particular photo that's on your Instagram right now, I think is mildly unkind to this vehicle. I think, shot at Broadside with what appears to be the, the, the non-zoom version of your iPhone lens, just a normal wide angle, possibly even in vertical, I think it's, I think it looks wider and more distorted than it actually looks in real life.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Uh, maybe. I don't know. I mean, it is long. It's like a 200-inch-long car. Uh, it's actually two inches shorter than a Rivian R1S, but has a longer wheelbase.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  Well, that's good. It makes it, actually, means it probably has high-speed stability, unlike a Rivian R1S.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  I, I think it does. It, it does ride better. I don't think it rides great, we can get into that, but it does ride better than the R1S, in my opinion.

• 46:19Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Um, cuz the, even, this has adaptive dampers, but I think the 21-inch wheels around LA, I don't know. I know EVs need a lot of spring. But when I'm in a seven-passenger car, I basically got out of this going, make cars wallow again. If the car's real big, I know we all complained back in the day, like, it leans too much and stuff, but I think for some vehicles, we've gone too far the other way. Just make it soft.

• 46:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Who cares?

• 46:46Matt Farah?

  Not every car needs to be a sports car handling.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  The, um, what do you call it? The, the Genesis GV80 I had was, was, was soft, in like, in a good way. They made it, they, the handling was eh, but it was soft.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wish this had more of that. This was kind of like, uh, the Lucid we had.

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Gravity, where you went, huge car, I expect this to ride like, you know, soft Mercedes and then it's like, you know, it, it seems too stiff for whatever reason. It was like that. I mean, it's 6,000 pounds, but, you know.

• 47:14Matt Farah?

  It's hard when you got that weight, the battery, you gotta spring them stiff.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  You do. So.

• 47:19Matt Farah?

  It's actually, it would be hard to make it too soft, also.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Cuz then it would sag on the springs. I know, that, that is true.

• 47:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  That maybe is just the math, and the math can't math.

• 47:28Matt Farah?

  Okay, so like, what's good?

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Um, good things. Um, price. This thing starts $20,000 cheaper than a Rivian R1S. It tops out where the Rivian starts. I didn't realize, you know, Rivians are so expensive, but they start at like 80 grand. So, and this main competition, if you want a seven-seat SUV, that's an EV, it's Rivian, Volvo EX90, and the Cadillac, what the heck was it called?

• 47:54Matt Farah?

  The Vistik. Oh, the Vistik.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  The Vistik, which is a cool-looking car, but all of those start at the high 70s. So Hyundai, as usual, is a bargain. Um, I think the seats are really comfortable. It's super quiet inside. All the trim levels come with like double laminated, super dual-pane glass. It's got, it's just, it whispers on the highway unless you hit, uh, an expansion joint. And I do think the interior.

• 48:19Matt Farah?

  I thought you were gonna say, there's a lot of things you could have followed up with, like, unless you hit a human. No.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Well, the car would whisper. They wouldn't. And you, depends on your sociopath percentage, your, your reaction. You might just turn on the windshield wipers.

• 48:34Matt Farah?

  It would be a good, a fun, like, April Fool's Day commercial or something if Hyundai just had you just running over a series.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  You shouldn't hear any of it.

• 48:42Matt Farah?

  That's so quiet.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  I feel like that, surely that's been a car had in the 90s. Like, they're hit, they're not hitting people.

• 48:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  But maybe they accidentally drive through like a shopping mall and everyone's screaming. It's like, but inside.

• 48:53Matt Farah?

  It's less funny now, I think, cuz people do that to protesters.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Or by accident cuz they're 85 years old and they hit the wrong pedal.

• 49:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  That was a sad day. Um, anyway, it's got, uh, three passenger rows. Um, tons of room inside. Front and rear seats are very comfortable, huge legroom. Uh, I, I do, I like the interior. It's different. You get in there and it just feels very pristine and calm. Like we said on the other show, it's like discount Range Rover, and like a fancy dentist's office or maybe a spa. I think it does a lot of that stuff. It makes you feel like you have more money than you do, which is really what Hyundai and Genesis have kind of shined at.

• 49:31Matt Farah?

  That's what most people are looking for in a car.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:34Matt Farah?

  They don't say that outright, but that's like sort of what they mean. How do I look?

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:41Matt Farah?

  Well.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  So if you get a base CLA, you're saying I have Mercedes money, but you don't really. You have base CLA money.

• 49:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, or they just get an 85-month loan on something, yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, that's good. Range is pretty good. Charging time is fast on 350. Um, it has 800-volt architecture, so you can charge it in like 25 minutes or whatever on the right thing. Um, I like, it has knobs on the interior, thank god. I also like that the screen is horizontally mounted. It's not the big tablet. I just like the eye line of that better. I like that I can control things with the knobs.

• 50:16Matt Farah?

  Horizontal, not vertical.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's horizontal, not vertical. And like, coming out of the Mach-E, which, you know, we've talked about, has like all the temp controls, like, everything's in that screen except for the weird knob. I like this has, this is a great blend of both. This is much more like BMW, Cadillac, whatever.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Do you have questions or are you just waiting for this part to end?

• 50:38Matt Farah?

  I like knobs. No, I'm pro knobs.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  You're just nodding and looking at your notebook.

• 50:42Matt Farah?

  I'm pro knobs.

• 50:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Oh, and something, things I don't like. The regen mode doesn't stay where I set it.

• 50:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, every time?

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you know, these have like the paddles where you can adjust it, which is a cool way to use apart from a different car.

• 50:58Matt Farah?

  It's also like multi-stage, right? It's like, there's like four.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  There's four stages of regen. You just tap a paddle and it goes up and up and up.

• 51:04Matt Farah?

  Four stages of regen.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, the first is acceptance. But, you know, I would get in the car.

• 51:09Matt Farah?

  They should change the inevitable podcast name.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  They should. You know, you set it to like one pedal mode. And then I'd get out of the car, turn it off, and I'd get back in, and it would go back to the third stage. It would get, it wouldn't go back to one, it would go from four to three.

• 51:23Matt Farah?

  That's so funny. It won't allow you the limit.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  I guess. I don't know if they, if customers had problems complaining and they go, okay, this is a way to fix that. That was just a weird, a weird thing.

• 51:36Matt Farah?

  If you left it at three, it would stay at three.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 51:39Matt Farah?

  If you left it at two, it would stay at two.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 51:41Matt Farah?

  Just four.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Four.

• 51:43Matt Farah?

  Does that, that's, that's max regen.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:47Matt Farah?

  They, I think they would call that like N, N pedal or something in the.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  They would.

• 51:52Matt Farah?

  In the N1. Huh. It's like too jerky for some people or something, but like if you put it there in the first place.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  That's, it has to be something like customers did it by accident.

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  Efficient. No, it probably turns the regen up so high that it affects the efficiency.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  I bet it does.

• 52:12Matt Farah?

  And it turns it back down to below that threshold.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  Sure. Well, cause Porsche or in the early Taycan days, they had it, they would let it coast because they're like, this is more efficient. It's a good point. So that's how you get your big range.

• 52:24Matt Farah?

  They still do that, by the way. They still choose coast.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:27Matt Farah?

  But you, but they offer you a more turned up auto. It's not true one pedal, but it's more regen now.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Closer. It's not level four, it's level three.

• 52:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's probably why. It probably passes the threshold of efficiency.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 52:41Matt Farah?

  Yep.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  But yeah, those are the things.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  But it's comfortable and quiet.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a weird retro future egg. Well, I mean, it definitely looks distinctive, which is kind of Hyundai's game. Parts of it are good, parts of it are strange. But yeah, it's a quiet egg that costs less than comparably equipped vehicles.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:03Matt Farah?

  That's what like, that's what they do over there.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Yep, exactly.

• 53:06Matt Farah?

  Speaking of which, they just announced the pricing of the GV60 Magma that we talked about, 71Gs.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 53:12Matt Farah?

  Starts at that. And this is basically a Hyundai Ioniq 5N with a Genesis GV6, GV60 body on it. But the interior also is pretty dope. It's like that quilted, but it's grippy texture quilted. I don't know how long it will. I don't know what it'll, what it'll look like at 100,000 miles, but.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  It looks green, buttons, knobs, great.

• 53:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, all good. And apparently, you know, it's got, it's got the, you know, it's got all the things the Ioniq 5N has, but it has a different sound and different gear ratios for its fake sound and fake gear.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  To make it feel different. Do you think that's to separate it from the Ioniq 5 or to improve upon?

• 53:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, probably both. They've had some, a little further development, but it's also just, just to make it, you know, different.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  It's a good looking car.

• 54:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it looks cool. I can't wait to drive it. By the way, if you hear power tools in the background, we're having our annual lifts servicing here at WCCS today, so I apologize. Yeah, don't those seats look nice?

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Seats look great.

• 54:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like with the quilty stuff. I hope that holds up to 60,000 or 70,000 miles. You know, I hope it doesn't start looking like absolute shit, but I bet initially they'll be really nice.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  This is cool. This is like, for people listening, uh, it's like Alcantara in the center, but it's, it looks plaid, but it's three dimensional. Like there's just stitches where all of the plaid striping would be. That's cool.

• 54:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like usually quilting is like diamond stitched or something. This is square.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Hatch, should be called hatching or something?

• 54:48Matt Farah?

  Uh, hatching is something different. Diamond, I think, yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  Looks cool.

• 54:53Matt Farah?

  It does. Very nice.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  It was the US press launch.

• 54:57Matt Farah?

  Except I, I bet you these seats are manual, which means Hannah won't want one.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Right. So that was, that is a demerit. I remember when you guys drove it, and at the time, I had a fully functioning spine. I was like, who cares? And now I would care. I can't, you know, lean over and like pull this thing, especially for a car that costs this much money. It's gotta have automatic seats now.

• 55:17Matt Farah?

  I think so. Maybe they're trying to save weight. I mean, they are probably a lot lighter. They're a lot lighter.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  But like what, 200 pounds lighter? Sure. In a car that weighs.

• 55:26Matt Farah?

  Do you know how expensive, you know how expensive it would be to cut 200 pounds any other way?

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'd be a lot. But I'm saying if the car weighs 5200 to 5600 pounds.

• 55:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  What's another two, really?

• 55:38Matt Farah?

  Look, I, I understand, but I bet you that's what they would say. They would say, look.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:44Matt Farah?

  It would be, it would cost you $50,000 to cut 200 pounds from this car any other way. Or.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  And look, quilting. Look at the quilting. Look at the quilting.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Distract them. I mean, it works in, in M3s and McLarens and everything. We're like, look at the shape of the seat. Is it, you know, is it comfortable? Sort of.

• 56:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, but it looks fancy.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Get in carefully.

• 56:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:10Matt Farah?

  Um, but I'm excited for that. Yeah. Um, that's really, oh, there's more. Is it too depressing to talk about Flock more? Cause they, cause they interviewed the CEO of Flock over at the drive.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw their little, I saw their Instagram post. I didn't listen to the show.

• 56:29Matt Farah?

  I didn't, you didn't need, I didn't need to listen to it. I read the article and their key quotes pulled. And basically, the CEO of Flock is openly and with a smile on his face and saying it's what, it's what people, people are saying. It's what, see, he's saying that it's, that they want a surveillance state. They're saying that they want it to be much harder to commit crimes because everything is on camera.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Right. It's like Dubai.

• 56:59Matt Farah?

  Like Dubai. And so in the, in Dubai, I mean, that's it. I, I don't know if it's, if it's administered by non-government entities or, or whatever, but you know, usually this kind of thing would have to be like voted on and, and it's not. It's not being voted on. They're just, the police departments are just spending the money and then up the things go. And that's, that's kind of it.

• 57:26Matt Farah?

  So this guy's openly saying like, we are absolutely happy to trade your privacy and whatever negative externalities come from it without your consent.

• 57:40Matt Farah?

  If it makes a neighborhood or a city,

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  if it turns it into what I, my version of safer, not my Matt Farah, this person's version of safer.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Right. Well, yeah, I mean, I think it would, I assume it would follow the law, but this is kind of like if the Patriot Act had a mouth.

• 57:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  You know, cause a lot of that stuff was buried in paper and, cause it was all basically, this is for safety. This is for your safety. We're doing these things and the, the things haven't gone away. Supposed to be short term. So now it's the same thing, but you've got like a person who owns a company just going like, yeah, we're doing that too.

• 58:15Matt Farah?

  And they have the computing power to just follow everybody all the time.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:21Matt Farah?

  It's, it's, and, and, and then, and then use that data later, however they see fit.

• 58:29Matt Farah?

  And it also begs the question, what is considered crime? Because it only is targeting a certain type of crime. And like, like Anand Gharadi, who I follow along with, it's really, when people talk about crime statistics, crime rates, a lot of times they're referring to a very specific type of crime. It's, it's all like, like crime that is like, uh, like, well, there's violent crime. And then also like low level, like theft, like nonviolent, like, like, you know, things that people really think about as being crimes. It often fully excludes white collar crime.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:14Matt Farah?

  It also fully excludes crimes committed by cops. And so, um, you know, when, when this Flock CEO says, I want to make it very hard to commit crimes in this city, it's a specific kind of crimes that are typically done by a specific kind of people that he considers undesirable. And if, if it makes him feel safer, you know, when I was growing up in Westchester, I felt quote, "safe" and I was surrounded by fucking criminals.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  Who were causing harm to like millions of people across the country.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  You know, that stuff's not, it's not prosecuted here. What is the thing? Like if the fine is less than the profit you made on it, then it's not, it's not a fine, it's a fee. And you, you know, you can't videotape, uh, embezzlement, right? So it's just easier to track these physical crimes, I guess we'll call them.

• 1:00:13Matt Farah?

  You know, but the, but the whole, um, well, you know, just don't do anything wrong then. Like you, they're still, they're still tracking you.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Well, and then the next question is, is this gonna be, and maybe conspiracy theory, but like China has the social, what's it called? Social score.

• 1:00:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  Like they have that now.

• 1:00:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  So obviously you need the infrastructure to, to monitor everybody to have a social score. This, you know, would be a step in that direction.

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  So if you don't want.

• 1:00:41Matt Farah?

  If you have the data first, it's very easy to assign a score to the data.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Sure. And, and going forward, like if you have the system that can monitor everybody and then you can go, okay, everybody has to conform to these exact behaviors to have their social score, to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then like that just kind of.

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  To get a passport or whatever. Yeah. Awesome. It's totally cool that.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Hey man, free to make free.

• 1:01:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Surveillance, though, it's also not free. It's less free.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  It's a weird disappointing time. Like, there's always videos of, you know, these city council meetings of people protesting data centers in their area.

• 1:01:23Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  And like, the city council just removes people from the audience if they clap

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  for someone else. It's like, they have people there to speak their mind about their community, and then the city council is probably just bought and paid for, are just like, "Nope, nope, nope, we don't care, we don't care, this is a formality," and then they greenlight the thing.

• 1:01:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I saw a video of the guy who talked about his new plan to surveil the city council people, like, as a joke. It was as satire. And like, the faces on their peop- on their, you know, their faces as he's explaining his plan to keep them safe, of course.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:58Matt Farah?

  It's to keep them- the city council has to be kept safe, "So, we're starting a new patrol as the citizens to monitor your movements, follow you around, to make sure that you're safe at all times," you know. And after like, two minutes of this, he's like, "Do you see how fucked up this sounds?" And they had him removed.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, the flock of people got mad because people were videotaping the flock, like, building. And they're like, "You can't do that."

• 1:02:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Right!

• 1:02:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  What is happening?

• 1:02:28Matt Farah?

  No, this is- these are for me to tape you, not for you to- yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:33Matt Farah?

  Anyway.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  That's, uh, great.

• 1:02:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  For fun.

• 1:02:36Matt Farah?

  Definitely, like, let's have this everywhere. There's absolutely no way any of this could go wrong, and you'll definitely just be safer, but there will no be- not be any other externalities at all.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  There will not be any problems behind the scenes whatsoever.

• 1:02:49Matt Farah?

  Nope. Not a chance. Let's go to the people at patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast. It's how you ask us questions for the live show. Watch the live show, get the show early, get extra show, get the show without ads. All the extra things that make having a show all for yourself worth having. You're an insider, you're part of a cool kids' club, and you really help us, honestly, a lot. You really do. Patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast.

• 1:03:21Matt Farah?

  Ask- Ask Clapman in? Ask Clapman in?

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Ask Clapman in.

• 1:03:27Matt Farah?

  Ask Clapman in, okay.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:03:29Matt Farah?

  Wow. "My baby mama's Lincoln's tranny is going out at 66,000 miles." Hell of a sentence, right there. "We narrowed down a replacement to a Macan S off lease return with 20,000 to 25,000 miles. Comes with a two-year CPO warranty. Adding an additional two years is almost $6,000. Is the $6,000 worth it for two additional years, or is it unlikely that out-of-pocket expenses will exceed the 6K in that two-year span? We plan to own for 6,000 to 8,000 years." Yes, the two years is worth it.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Yes, it is.

• 1:04:03Matt Farah?

  Yes, it is.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Like, the smallest things could go wrong that will easily eclipse six grand. And in- if it doesn't happen, that does suck, and you're like, "Dang it, we just wasted six grand." You know, it just depends on your financial situation. But for me, like, the peace of mind of owning a car that is, you know, that far out of its original warranty.

• 1:04:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  And, like, my cousin had a CPO Cayenne S, and first year, he loved it. He's like, "This is the greatest thing in the world." He's got the V8 da-da-da. The next year, he was like, "I spent $15,000 fixing this car."

• 1:04:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  Because he didn't get the extra warranty. It's like, it changed so quick, so...

• 1:04:43Matt Farah?

  My Taycan had a year of factory warranty on it, and then I got CPO on top of that.

• 1:04:55Matt Farah?

  So like, depending on which Macan S you find, you may be able to find one that still has factory wa- so you may be able to like,

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Stack them.

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  you know, get a little extra value, depending on the specific car that you find to buy. So like, take a look out for that as well. "You had me at Hell Lotus." It's pretty good. Pretty good. "It appears GT4RS prices are down and approaching their MSRP. Do you think they'll continue to depreciate, or are we approaching the floor for cars with the 9,000 RPM flat-six? I'm considering one to replace the Amira for track and rally and canyon trips. Do you consider the interior too loud and the car too stiff for that use case?"

• 1:05:44Matt Farah?

  So, it depends on the person. I know a couple people that are pretty hardcore. Our buddy Ryan from Sacramento, who does track days, weekend drives, and a lot of road trips in his GT4RS. He put a fucking exhaust on it, and somehow, that's okay with him.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Well, that drowns out the intake.

• 1:06:05Matt Farah?

  He's- yeah. So, um, in my opinion, uh, track car, yes.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, weekend car, possibly. It's- they're fucking- they're-

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  It's really loud.

• 1:06:19Matt Farah?

  It makes a nice sound, but at- from 2,000 to 3,000 RPM, there's a drone in that airbox that's tough on your ears.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  I mean, we spent, I don't know, six hours in it the day we filmed it. We drove to the 29, filmed up there, I think, came back down. Like, by hour four,

• 1:06:35Matt Farah?

  That's a lot.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  I was kinda over it because of the drone, and the intake is right next to your left ear. It just kinda wore on me, so...

• 1:06:42Matt Farah?

  It's a lot. Um, it's a very exciting car. The en- the powertrain's great, it's sharp, you know. It is an exciting car, for sure. And if you are gonna keep the engine above 3,000 RPM, you know, it's nashy, but it's not droney. Uh, Spyder RSs don't actually have this problem, and you still could take one to a track day. Um, it's not ideal, but it does have roll hoops. Um, you know, you could do it. So, I might- if you're really gonna be road driving it, I would- I would go for the Spyder versus the GT4.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Or even you could go, uh, Cayman GT4, like, the 4O. That's still slightly softer than the RS, and definitely quieter.

• 1:07:26Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But if you really want that engine, you know, you can only get it in certain places. Um, I don't know. I can't say, will they continue to depreciate or not. I mean-

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  That's too many factors.

• 1:07:38Matt Farah?

  You know, they've just stopped making them, so they're unlikely to depreciate much further soon. You know, they'll probably- they don't have another mid- hardcore mid-engine car. They won't have another hardcore mid-engine car for a while.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Matt Farah?

  This is gonna be the pinnacle of their mid-engine program for a few years, at least, so...

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  But I think- I get nervous calling the floor because supply is one factor, but there's so many economic factors that could impact that.

• 1:08:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that too. That too. "Pearl Lovebone of the Mad Green Dog." There's- that's, uh, that's every band that the members of Pearl Jam have been a part of.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:08:18Matt Farah?

  Made into one. And by the way, RIP to Glenn Hansard. Did you know- do you know who Glenn Hansard is?

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 1:08:25Matt Farah?

  He's an Irish musician who died in a motorcycle accident yesterday, and he played- he was very good friends with Eddie Vedder, and he played with Pearl Jam and, um, and with Eddie's solo band also. And I saw- I saw him perform a couple times at the Ohana Festival, which is Pearl Jam's music festival here, and he was immensely talented guy. Um, 56, died in a motorcycle crash

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  That sucks.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  in Ireland. Um, RIP to Glenn Hansard. His music was beautiful. Excuse me. Uh, "Henry Catchpole just reviewed a carbon-bodied-" is that- I think that's supposed to be an Austin Allegro-

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:09:05Matt Farah?

  -with a Type R drivetrain. Have resto mods gone too far? I don't know, let's see this thing.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Here's the vehicle.

• 1:09:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, god, does that look lovely. I would love to have a go in that.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  So little. Very cool.

• 1:09:16Matt Farah?

  Wow!

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  It's got like Honda Civic front lights, huge flares, gold car, two-door hatch.

• 1:09:22Matt Farah?

  Okay, keep going, keep going. With a little Honda Civic Type R motor? Uh, the- oh, wow. Oh, Honda Integra Type R motor, DC2. This looks great. I'm in.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  That screen install's cool.

• 1:09:35Matt Farah?

  I'm in. Yes.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Great, beautiful tartan.

• 1:09:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, dude, this is dope.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  This is built by retro power cars.

• 1:09:45Matt Farah?

  That looks fab- I mean, I- wow, this is probably very expensive, and I'm- I would only put so much money into a front-wheel-drive car, no matter whatever,

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:55Matt Farah?

  but the execution looks fabulous.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a gorgeous thing. You just have to be really into this. I mean, this is probably- it was maybe one of those things where, let's see, are they building more of them? Could be one customer who, you know, wrote the check, or is this gonna be a thing that they produce?

• 1:10:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I mean, I love it as a one-off project for a psycho. Do I think they would have success selling a whole range of those cars? I somehow doubt it. But it seems like these guys-

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  I guess they made a few.

• 1:10:21Matt Farah?

  Did they?

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Isn't this another one? Oh, no.

• 1:10:23Matt Farah?

  No, that's a-

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a old-

• 1:10:25Matt Farah?

  That's the Boreum car.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, but, you know, they're- it seems like they are doing custom builds for people, and it looks- ooh, Saab 900 Turbo. What's that?

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  What? Oh.

• 1:10:39Matt Farah?

  Saab 900 Turbo with a plot twist. I love the idea of a Saab 900 Turbo. Looks like it has a- it still has a longitudinal engine. It will be four-wheel draw- oh, it's gonna be an Audi.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  Wide body.

• 1:10:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, this looks like an Audi Quattro, like, powertrain, like, setup. Oh, neat. Good for these fucking guys. That's-

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  I should have just had this outside real quick.

• 1:11:04Matt Farah?

  Oh. Are they coming to collect- or someone- someone doing a thing?

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Sarah's car got sapped on.

• 1:11:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's sapped on, dude? Sarah's car got sapped on. That is no bueno. It's gonna be a sticky mess. Good thing your boy here owns a detailing shop.

• 1:11:26Matt Farah?

  What a delight. Yo, shout out to Retro Power Cars. That seems cool. This shop looks like Matt Quick's shop.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, this doesn't look like, it's not like a Singer situation. They're doing cool one-off stuff.

• 1:11:40Matt Farah?

  Beautiful work. Very cool.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  So I think, have Resto Mods gone too far?

• 1:11:43Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  No. Because if someone wants to commission a one-off project, they go, I love this Austin, but can we make it really fast? And I like this engine. And then sure.

• 1:11:51Matt Farah?

  And also, I think there's a lot of people that are looking for analog cars that many manufacturers can't or won't or don't make anymore.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  And with more modern speed. The original Austin engine, I'm sure, is interesting, but slow.

• 1:12:07Matt Farah?

  Let's see. Carbs Legal Bakery. Have you heard of anyone removing side mirrors? I found Cybertruck owners are doing this. Probably because the fucking concept didn't have it. So these are just like full-on aluminum mirrors. Do they also have cameras?

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  So this was a link to a billet aluminum mirror delete kit for $130.

• 1:12:31Matt Farah?

  That's like, super, don't do that. Why would you do that? I mean, I know when you turn on the blinker on a Tesla, you get the camera that comes up in the cluster. But that's not like, you're gonna get pulled over for that. Like, you need to have mirrors. Like, you're probably doing a crime.

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  I also use the mirrors far more often. Also, because in the Cybertruck, all the displays are in the center. So like Hyundai's have, you know, when you signal, there's the little screens that pop up in the display in front of you. Can be useful, but it's more, I prefer it in my eye line. I just drop down, I see it, I look back up. But I still use the mirror more of the time, because it's instant.

• 1:13:12Matt Farah?

  Imagine not having a mirror.

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  No. My old Pontiac had no right side mirror. And guess what? I backed into a wall. I did.

• 1:13:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Oh my God. If you weren't like, if you weren't already the biggest loser in your neighborhood, driving one of these fucking things, holy shit. Don't do that.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  You know, this is like, there's an argument in skateboarding that keeps going, like, the cool skaters don't wear helmets. And it's like, yeah, but they're getting concussions all the time. Like Nisha Houston.

• 1:13:41Matt Farah?

  Just wondering.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  So this is that. This is...

• 1:13:44Matt Farah?

  Cybertruck Co. com really thought they had a fucking humdinger of a business plan. And then this truck, after a year and a half, has fucking tanked.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  Maybe, but it depends on how much money they put into the R&D of these. So, but yeah, don't do that. Keep your side mirrors.

• 1:14:05Matt Farah?

  Don't do that.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Trust me.

• 1:14:09Matt Farah?

  Queer Shifting Gears says the 2000 Accord Coupe is starting to look good from the rear. Is it just me seeing the NSX, or am I not okay? The, I'm telling you, I had two friends who had the 2000 Accord Coupe, two brothers. Shout out to the Hills, Matt and Mark Hill. They were a year apart in school. Each of them got an Accord Coupe. Both of them. Matt, Matt got the manual, Mark got the automatic.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  And one kept it for 20 years, and the other one crashed it, right?

• 1:14:39Matt Farah?

  Mark was a horribly irresponsible human, but a responsible driver in his youth, and kept his for 20 years. Matt, probably a little bit of a more responsible human, at least in his early years, but definitely a less responsible driver, tore this motherfucker to shreds, and it still made it seven or eight years on three gears. First, he lost fifth, then he lost second.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  You don't need those.

• 1:15:07Matt Farah?

  He was shifted 1-3-4.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Alright. 1-3. That's, the Corvettes do that, you know? I think this person's just seeing the NSX rear. I think the back of this is really kinda dull and flat and weird, but...

• 1:15:21Matt Farah?

  The full, the full light bar across the rear, that's NSX.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't think it looks great, but to each their own.

• 1:15:29Matt Farah?

  NSX did it first, and then they...

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Oh, of course.

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  Quadra Foley O-Face. Do you scramble to hide your radar detector when pulled over? No, they're legal. That ain't no thing. Although, you know, if a cop, you know, if a cop's not shooting radar, you know, I don't get, I don't really get hit with, I don't get pulled over with radar. I'm too prepared. If a cop is using radar, they're not getting me.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Laser.

• 1:15:54Matt Farah?

  Laser gets me. And if, and if a cop's got a good hiding space, I show respect. If a cop fucking nails me, I'm like, dude, that's a good hiding space. You're alright. I like when they work for it. Hide, motherfucker. Pop out of the shrubs or something.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Grassy.

• 1:16:11Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? You can put in a little effort. You're gonna get me. You put in some effort. I'm calling off the record.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  Some of them, you know, easy fishing sometimes. They just sit on the side and wait for someone to go by way too fast.

• 1:16:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, that's for silly people.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  And it gets the silly people.

• 1:16:23Matt Farah?

  It does. That's for everybody else. That's not for fucking advanced road users like us. One more, and then we're gonna call this show, because I have a team meeting that's urgent today. Apologies on that one. VW Bus with Semaphore Skins. What car has the most mismatched seats relative to the driving experience and capabilities of the car?

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  I think a poorly optioned Mustang.

• 1:16:47Matt Farah?

  That comes to mind.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Real flat and...

• 1:16:50Matt Farah?

  A poorly optioned Mustang is the right terminology as well. Yeah, you can get a Dark Horse that'll pull like 1.1 Gs with the base seats that will hold about 0.6 Gs.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, less. Yeah, that's what I thought of.

• 1:17:08Matt Farah?

  Let's see, you could...

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  You know, some of the Ferrari, the cheap Ferrari seats are uncomfortable and don't hold you in. And that actually might be worse, because at least, the flat Mustang seats, when you sit down initially, at least are comfortable. It's like sitting in a couch.

• 1:17:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Ferrari sometimes gets away with putting some fairly crappy sculpt, not like, in terms of poor quality, but like sculpted, not that great. Lack of, lack of proper lumbar and stuff like that.

• 1:17:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think of like a normal car that comes with like real bucket-y seats, to a degree that it bothers me, but, where it's just not that high of a performance machine, and there's real bucket-y seats in it. But I can't really think of one.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  The Corolla, you see there's a new Corolla, it's like $70,000. It's the GRMN. You know, it's just, it's more GR.

• 1:18:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Does it have rear seat delete?

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  It's like Marito Plus. Yes, it does have rear seat delete.

• 1:18:14Matt Farah?

  Get one of the press car. No, but the GR Corolla, I mean, my Focus RS back in the day, had just poorly, the seats were just very badly, the ergonomics were just all kinds of fucked up. They were just, you could not make them, you couldn't sit in the right place and also be comfortable. Hmm. I don't know, given that a Crown Vic can apparently handle a fucking, almost a NASCAR race, I would say the bench seat that comes with its stock is maybe inadequate.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Probably contributed to some of my back problems, honestly.

• 1:18:48Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  Oh, you know what else does? Any 60's Cobras, you've got this like, seat that comes up to your ribs. And it's like, alright, goes 150 miles per hour, sort of, and you'll probably crash. Like, that's a terrible idea.

• 1:19:02Matt Farah?

  Sure. Wheat City Night Court. I'm thinking of buying a depreciated performance EV as a daily driver. What do you prefer? A 2023 EV6 GT or a 2025 Ioniq 5N? I mean, I Ioniq 5N.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  That has electric seats.

• 1:19:24Matt Farah?

  It does not. Neither of them do. They both have the manual seats, the GT and the Ioniq 5N. Yeah, but that may not bother you. But like, between those two, 5N. If I'm actually spending money, Mach-E Rally. Roadhead and Trackmarks. Maybe the best username ever. Wow.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  This feels like, this feels like a country song.

• 1:19:50Matt Farah?

  Is there anything you learned or wish you did differently when building the Catio? No, not, not really. Our Catio is pretty sweet. Let's see. I mean, you, I may have built, so my Catio is meant for humans and cats to hang out in together. So, some of the things that make it comfy for humans are probably not fully optimized for cats. Like, I've seen people have Cateos that have like, big like, trees and stuff in them that are, you know, really cool for cats, but a human wouldn't want to spend any time

• 1:20:35Matt Farah?

  in there. So, ours has like a couch and a coffee table and a couple chairs, so that humans could be in there with cats. And so, if you wanted to do that, that's a different story. So just figure out, like, are humans gonna hang out in there or not? You're already doing ledges and perches, you know, we call them catwalks, obviously. Are they gonna have a, are they gonna have a door, you know, their own door to go in and out? I would make sure that it's at least possible to, you can buy the actual doors on like, Amazon or whatever. It is possible to have the locking lever, so you can keep them inside if it's, you know, cold out, you don't want them going out. Ours has lighting in it as well. I would

• 1:21:20Matt Farah?

  have put more hooks in the ceiling to hang plants, and maybe I could still do that. But I mean, you've got an 8x20 foot deck that was enclosed underneath and used as a hot tub room, but if you're not, if you don't need it as a hot tub room, wrap the space in galvanized hardware cloth and build ledges and perches for them to climb. It sounds great. Your cats are gonna be very spoiled.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Matt Farah?

  Respect. You, some people, it's like, what are you gonna use for protection? Some people use a chicken wire. We got, ours is like, made of nylon. It's like nylon webbing that's supposedly, you know, raccoon proof.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  My brother did that in his whole deck.

• 1:22:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  It's because he has cats.

• 1:22:01Matt Farah?

  The same shit as us?

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  I think so. It's like this black nylon, and no bugs can get in. The cats walk around the whole deck. And they use it, there's like a hot tub and stuff out there, but it's really awesome. And then you can sit out on your deck and have a meal or whatever, and no bugs are gonna, you know, intervene. It's great.

• 1:22:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, yours is like, you're talking about like a screen.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's like, yeah, huge dense nylon stuff that you can...

• 1:22:23Matt Farah?

  No, ours is netting. Like a rope ladder netting on the Catio. Bugs can get through it. It's one inch, one inch square netting.

• 1:22:31Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. I like the, because the other, I wouldn't want chicken wire, that would just...

• 1:22:35Matt Farah?

  Chicken wire doesn't look great. But if you have, like, but for when they build like Cateos out in the woods.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  Sure. If you want to keep foxes out.

• 1:22:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you, you need it. If you want to keep like bears, not, maybe not a bear, but like, you know, bigger shit out of there. Yeah. But fabulous. Fabulous. Alright, thank you, I gotta go. The show ticket link is up. If you're in LA, OC, August 18th, some come see us with the Smith and Sniff Show at the Irvine Improv. Our Blazers are up for a few more days, if you want to grab one while they last. And thanks to our patrons for such good questions today. We'll save the ones we didn't get to for next show. See you guys later. Bye.